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July 28, 2022 - Depositions & Trials

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Alex Jones Defamation Trial: Sandy Hook 'Hoax' Lawsuit - Day Three, Part One

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	you when we finally oh
	I love this little thing on my desk.
	Sorry, I'm not trying to steal your...
	This is actually the course.
	Oh, it is?
	Well, but you're going to need it, right?
	Yes, I will.
	Okay.
	We'll get it back.
	you may be Very briefly.
	In the need of a moment yesterday, I forgot to remove my objection under CPRC 4111. At this time, we request a missed trial from that section.
	Ms. Karpowicz, directly.
	All right.
	That's overruled.
	Or denied, I guess.
	Okay, I don't know if she's looking for it.
	I think I probably dropped one for honestly because it was on top of my notepad and then I stood up.
	So, John, I wonder if she's barking and heard me say I needed it.
	What are those things called?
	USB drive.
	USB drive.
	Alright.
	So, So I reviewed defendant's proposed Exhibit 4 and 5, and I am going to sustain the objections for various parts of them, all of the different objections.
	So we'll have to do some more details.
	So they are not admitted.
	Happy to make them court exhibits.
	And that goes for both of you.
	Any exhibit that doesn't get in, give it to me in a separate form.
	It's a court exhibit.
	I have no issues with that.
	I've made those emails court exhibits.
	I have no problem with any of that.
	Now we're waiting to get it back so I can give it to you and the jury's ready, but I'm not.
	I can't stop here if I'm ready.
	It's not history, but in the far side today, Professor Swartzman has invented a canine decoder, and he's the first human being on Earth to hear what barking dogs are saying, which is, "Hey, hey, hey." - Your Honor, I want to let you know, the internet was very upset you did not read your heart.
	Oh, really?
	Well, now they've got it.
	That probably is what dogs are saying.
	Okay, I don't know what's going on.
	Sorry.
	I don't know where everyone is.
	When they're not at their desks, I don't know if they can hear me.
	So they may not know what's going on.
	Oh, you're good.
	Oh, good.
	Oh, good.
	It's very small.
	Yes, I know.
	I'm so sorry.
	Thank you, Mr. Ray.
	Now I'll just come get this, please.
	And we're ready for the jury.
	shouldn't be damaged by my mind and I apologize and is her program here should be back yeah whatever
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	yes yes
	All right.
	All right.
	Thank you.
	Good morning.
	You may all be seated.
	We're going to pick up where we were with Mr. Bainall.
	So it occurred to me that some of the things that were discussed during your direct testimony with Mr. Bainall might have been a bit confusing.
	So I thought we'd begin today by clearing up some matters and defining some terms.
	Is that okay?
	Can you
	explain for the jury the distinction between saying that the vet was saved and saying that no one was killed?
	Saying that event was staged implies that it doesn't necessarily imply that no one was killed.
	It just means that it was interfered with somehow by some elements within the government or some other forces.
	So it wasn't a completely genuine event as it is being presented in the official story.
	And how about the difference between a false flag and saying that no one was killed?
	I would say it's the same thing.
	A false flag could be an actual event that happened the way, say, the official narrative does, but say it was allowed to happen in some way or was provocateur to happen.
	You use the term provocateur.
	What does that mean?
	Again, I would have to use maybe the word staged again.
	I would say staged and provocateur are synonyms in a way.
	Provocateur implies that there were some actors who perhaps knew what the whole thing was about and were trying to steer in a certain direction.
	That could be one of the elements of a provocateur.
	Are there any other definitions you can think of of an agent provocateur?
	Someone who's specifically trained and paid by elements in the government to be part of a particular event.
	What's a PATS? A PATS is against someone who is being used in a particular event, somebody who's being used by outside forces, whether it's elements in the government or somebody else.
	It's a real person, and they, a lot of times, may not know what they're a part of, what they're being involved in.
	But they're playing this role, and then they will end up to be either the ball guy or somehow be presented as someone who played a key part in a role, but he may or may not even know that he was playing a key part in that role.
	And related to that, I think we heard it in some of the clips, what's a Prozac head?
	Prozac head refers to someone who is on psychiatric medication that is messing with his head, his ability to think straight, have control over his emotions, and just see reality clearly as it is.
	And very easily suggestible and manipulatable, again, because he's not in his right state of mind by the particular drugs that he's on.
	DARPA. DARPA is a government agency.
	I think it stands for Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, maybe?
	But yeah, so it's a Department of Defense, I believe, organization that deals with covert Projects for the military, I believe.
	Research, development of weapons, things like that.
	What's a PSYOP? Psychological operation.
	And moving over to some of the things you were asked to prepare for for your corporate definition.
	When you hear the term, in the context of Infowars, of sourcing and research, What does that mean to you, or what did that mean to you?
	The question was very vague.
	It was hardly anyone even understood what it meant.
	So just kind of a broad understanding of what my, based on my experience working on the show, the sort of the documents The stuff we use for the show, just to describe how we come up, or how Alex comes up with the stuff he says on air or anyone else.
	And please tell the ladies and gentlemen of the jury, how does Alex come up with the stuff he says on the show?
	Well, a lot of stuff, Alex comes to a show already prepared, already having done research in the mornings.
	He's an early bird.
	When he comes into the office, we have Hundreds of articles on his desk printed.
	He goes over them and whatever is his opinion on particular subject, whether it's news and the articles that he's seen that day, or if there are breaking news that happened during the show, we print it out for him and give it to him right there on air, and he just reads it, covers it, and gives his opinion as he reads it.
	In the context of that, To play devil's advocate.
	Uh, devil's advocate would be, uh, consider a scenario that's the opposite of the scenario that he's presenting, for the sake of the argument.
	And to consider other possibilities.
	In your experience, On the show, does Infowars make an effort to allow all voices to be heard, if they want to?
	Absolutely.
	And Alex always encourages that.
	He encourages the callers to call in with different opinions.
	Actually, different opinion callers go to the front of the line.
	And anyone who's listened to Alex Jones' show knows that.
	He welcomes the opposing side.
	Because he doesn't want it to be like a cult programming.
	He wants all different views.
	because he personally thinks that as the show that's edifying to the public.
	Yesterday you were asked about Plaintiff's Exhibit 31.
	Do you recall this document?
	Yes, sir.
	And it's a listing of the different videos that were aired.
	Yes, sir.
	And I'd like to begin with the December 14th video.
	And what had happened on December 14th, 2012?
	The incident in Saturday.
	You have to keep your voice up, please.
	the incident that said he helped.
	And did Alex Jones go on the air that day?
	Yes.
	And there's about a 50 minute segment.
	No objection, maybe.
	Sustained.
	I don't believe this would have to stop that for a moment.
	Sustained.
	I'm going to play for you what I'm going to represent is already in evidence as Plantex Exhibit #1, a 50 minute segment.
	Plaintiff's exhibit number one is a family photo.
	Sorry, plaintiff's video exhibit.
	I mean it's a video exhibit one is in evidence I'm sorry sorry I don't look at anyone in particular but sometimes it might appear like me
	uh...
	eight hundred two five nine nine two three one What is your intel from this town, this area?
	If you have family, call them, find out and call us.
	We're leaving the phones open for you.
	We're going to go to Gary.
	Here in a moment, here's Paul Watson's new article.
	And this just makes my blood boil.
	You knew the Googles wouldn't even wait a couple hours until they tried to...
	These people had bodyguards.
	I've had Michael Morse.
	This is on video and martial law.
	Trying to stop me filming him from 50 feet away in the streets of New York.
	Actually the same day those communists said they wanted to kill me.
	And it's all on tape.
	Come up and start ramming their elbows into me.
	You know what I did when his bodyguards did that to me?
	I just rammed my elbow right into him.
	You know what?
	They were big, so-called, you know, tough guys, and you know what?
	They backed off real quick.
	Oh, you're going to hit me with your elbow?
	Here, how about you, how about I just ram my elbow into you?
	And you can watch it on tape.
	You can see they start getting back.
	And I thought that I'm a tough guy.
	You're going to come out to me, and I'm not even around Michael Moore, and ram your elbow into me?
	How about I ram my elbow into you, punk?
	They had guns, by the way, bulging underneath their shirts.
	So this pig, Michael Moore, this self-propelled goblin, he wants your guns because of this.
	Michael Moore calls for strict gun control after school massacre.
	Piers Morgan implies that all handguns should be banned.
	Infowars.com, PrisonBot.com.
	Filmmaker Michael Moore quickly sees upon the tragic shooting massacre in Connecticut to call for strict gun control while CNN host Piers Morgan implies that all handguns should be banned, except demands of the government.
	Remember, he's from England where they ban guns.
	Liberal talking points wasted no time in exploring the horrendous events this morning at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown where 18 children were amongst the 27 killed to push the political agenda.
	I need to add the Ron Emanuel clip in here and it's got it all there with the tweets of the pig, Michael Moore.
	Let's go to Gary, who has a cousin who was a teacher at the school.
	Thanks for holding.
	Give us your information, sir.
	This country is going to hell in a hand basket.
	Alex, I'll try to make it quick.
	I was in the barbershop.
	I got a text message on my phone about a shooting at an elementary school.
	I live in New York.
	I went to college in Connecticut.
	So I called my roommate, who I went to school with, to make sure his data was okay.
	And then he told me that the school was in Newton.
	He was in New York.
	And then my mom texted me.
	And she said, oh my god, that's Carrie's school.
	Carrie's my cousin.
	I told them to put the moves on at the barbershop, and they said, oh, I bet you're going to think it was an inside job.
	And I said, I'm not saying that it wasn't, but I wouldn't put it past them.
	And they were like, why would they kill innocent children?
	And I said, excuse me?
	I said, abortion, vaccines, and poison in the food and water.
	These people are Satan.
	Yeah, why did Hitler blow up the Reichstag to get control?
	Why did government stage these things to get our guns?
	I mean, why can't people get that through their head?
	I don't know.
	It's so frustrating.
	I live in New York City.
	We're not even allowed.
	You have to jump over, like, 300 buildings just to get a humping rifle possession permit.
	And it's out of control.
	So there's not a gun culture here unless you're a criminal.
	Then, of course, you can have the gun.
	And I was telling him how Giuliani last night, Pierce Morgan with his propaganda, actually said that people should be able to have guns and protect their families in their houses.
	So we put on CNN, and this is when there was only two or three people dead.
	And I see the scroll, the ticker underneath.
	Hold on, I want to hear this.
	I'm going to fast forward plus a commercial break here.
	Your Honor, we're putting the whole video into evidence.
	There was an agreement.
	If he wants to play, he'll play the whole thing.
	Can I be hurt?
	Yes.
	Briefly.
	I'm not putting any video clips into it.
	If he would like to play the commercial breaks during his cross-examination, That's fine.
	Well, the problem is this exhibit is admitted as an entire video.
	The other clips were admitted as clips.
	I mean, the whole thing's going back to the jury.
	I guess it'll be all right, but it isn't.
	It's the only commercial on The segment that I want to play, and it takes a while.
	It's a long commercial.
	It's for a documentary.
	It takes a while.
	We can have a further discussion later if we need to.
	I'm fine.
	You can skip it for now.
	It's going back to the jury so they can watch it if they're not sure.
	We're back and I've been monitoring what it is.
	It is a firestorm.
	They want total bans of all semi-autos, just as we knew they would do.
	You've heard me say, look for a big mass shooting at schools.
	You've heard me.
	We've got to find the club's last two months.
	I've probably said it 20 times.
	We've got loaded phone lines.
	A lot of police officers calling in to give us their take on what's happening.
	It's more than these dead poor children's.
	You've got to go with your gut, man.
	man, my gut tells me I've never felt this freaked out.
	I told my wife that last night and this morning, and I really think they're going to try to It's going to start a civil war.
	And Lobos don't care how much the police get killed trying to do this, by the way.
	Man, we're in trouble.
	We've got to pray for this country.
	There's got to be some way to avert this.
	Finish up your point about what you saw on the ticker, Gary.
	I'm going to go to others.
	Go ahead.
	No, we've got to talk to you.
	I know you agree with me.
	Sure, your phone's not that good, so finish up.
	Okay.
	So, And guns, too.
	And the guy says, you're crazy with your gun culture.
	And I said, no.
	But the Second Amendment was put in to govern the government and protect the people from tyranny and protect other countries from invading our country.
	So then I'm trying to figure out what's going on with my cousin.
	And she's a mess.
	So she can't really talk to my mom.
	My mom ends up talking to my uncle.
	Now, all of this is from my uncle who died from my cousin relaying it to us.
	She was in her classroom.
	She's a 4th grade special ed teacher.
	She's in her classroom.
	The principal is out in the hallway.
	He stops to talk to somebody.
	And the next thing she knows is she hears gunshots.
	So she grabs the girl that was with her at her desk and she brings her into the bathroom.
	And she tells her, we've got to be really quiet until the noise stops.
	So the noise ends up stopping.
	Now CNN said there was 100 shots fired.
	Now they're saying that there was two handguns fired.
	So, I don't know too many handguns that are gonna release a hundred shots.
	Sure, what else did she say?
	What else did she say?
	Well, she took the girl after the shot stopped, and when she came outside and crossed the hallway, she had to step over with the principal, who was murdered, and then she left the school.
	She's freaking out.
	There's 18 children right now that are on the campus, not including the ones who were murdered.
	Yeah, that's the report we're getting right now.
	This could be 30, 40 dead kids.
	We pray that's not the case.
	These little angels.
	Here is our hotline number for people to call and leave messages with their numbers if you're in Connecticut and can't get through or Later in the day, if anybody needs to call us with any eyewitness reports or anything like this, 512-646-4417.
	Please, folks, don't call up with other issues.
	512-646-4417.
	I've got people calling up with all sorts of information on this subject, but get ahold of your cousin when she settles down.
	And get her to talk to us for any other information.
	We need to know, were there any drills that day or the day before?
	Does she have anything about other shooters?
	Or was it, did she never saw the shooters?
	Well, I had asked them if it was supposedly two, because they have a lot of security at that school.
	You have to lay a doorbell in order to get into the school.
	Yeah, of course.
	This is another side of that, you know, 20 federal model schools.
	I had a call right away, and I asked them, did they ever train for this?
	And my uncle said yes.
	Within this school year, since September, they have trained for incidents like this.
	Well, that in and of itself isn't the proof of it, but they can use a drill to then bring in a patsy It could just be a Prozac kid.
	We'll find out.
	God bless you, sir.
	I appreciate your calls.
	Stay in contact.
	We're going to go to Rob, who says emails released prior to the shooting.
	We're looking into that.
	We're going to go to Chris in Connecticut, police officer.
	Let's go to Chris first.
	Chris is listening on shortwave.
	Chris, tell us what you know.
	Hi, Alex.
	I'm just watching the news now.
	I guess the shooter's name is Ryan Lanza.
	He's a resident of Newtown, and his mother was a teacher there, and it looks like she's one of the dead.
	For what the news reports are saying.
	I don't know.
	But the reason I called, I was as police officer, I was kind of upset with you, talking about the stand-down issue.
	We've been trained for many, many years now since Columbine.
	We go in with what we have.
	And we've been trained with patrol rifles.
	we have a lot of we uh...
	capital should have been and uh...
	they can't read out truly and the feds show up in order the police not to go in I can't speak on that.
	I'm just speaking on my experience as a police officer.
	I'm trained to go in, take care of the active shooter immediately.
	We don't sit and wait anymore.
	There's no orders of that from my superiors.
	That's good.
	Chris, stay there.
	I'm sorry.
	I've got to go to break.
	It's a hard break.
	A local break.
	We've got to go.
	Stay there.
	If you can, I'll come back and give you two minutes to finish up.
	Any other points?
	Then we've got another police officer, Sean in Nevada, wants to give us a take on this.
	Pete in Long Island reporting.
	Second Shooter, CBS. Yeah, we got that.
	Nakari Jackson was researching drills at the school and just found a LinkedIn Time Magazine article, a school Twitter photo of the little kids Wined up just a few months ago in a shooter drill, and they're just so tiny, these kindergartners.
	But then it makes me think about all these wars and these drones.
	Well, they say they'll kill 200 people at a wedding, putting little kids to get one bad guy, and that's collateral damage.
	So don't ever think the globalists that have hijacked this country wouldn't state something like this.
	They kill little kids all day, every day.
	And it's not our government, it's the globalists.
	And all I know is, thousands of people have died in Mexico from Fast and Furious, and many of them children.
	So, don't ever think this couldn't be staged.
	Now, I've said, this guy's, what, 20 years old, and they're saying the shooter was, and I was literally saying, look up his age, I bet he's 20-something, a video game, active shooter, addicted Prozac head.
	If he's not a staged event, And again, I'm not saying you're evil if you play video games, but I'm giving you the profile of real shooters we've seen are these nihilistic devil worshippers, mama's boy types who do this type of stuff.
	If you want to profile somebody, it's generally white or Hispanic male.
	It doesn't matter.
	I'm not going to get into it.
	I'm just so sick of it.
	I'm going to shut up and go back to the police officer in Connecticut real quick.
	Chris, anything else you want to add?
	Do you think people should know about this?
	Well, I think we've got to learn to protect ourselves and our children better.
	Another gun-free zone, taking advantage of Alex.
	It's just time to harden ourselves and harden our schools.
	And really get serious about security.
	And I know the liberal media is going to go after the guns.
	And it's not the guns issue.
	It's being secure in our lives.
	They've now confirmed that they began to tweet minutes after when they didn't even know.
	I mean, they are like ghouls just ready to jump on this.
	I mean, now they're showing the kid, I guess, who's 24 years old.
	They're saying now he's not a 20-year-old, he's a 24-year-old, the shooter that's dead.
	And like I said before, I guess, his mother was a teacher there, and she's amongst the dead.
	So it's going to be something to see it unfolding.
	But I just wanted to make sure I got that point out there.
	We're trained to go in, Alex.
	And as far as the stand-down issue, I know statewide, we're trained and ready to go.
	What about the reports of the van with its windows shot out and other people, another guy being SWAT-teamed?
	Well, there was another guy that got in the woods.
	I guess he was in camo.
	And they were saying, when he was being dragged out of the woods, witnesses heard him say, I didn't do it, I didn't do it.
	And they have him secured somewhere away and being interrogated right now.
	But I guess they went to the shooter's mother's home.
	I believe it was in Newtown, and they found her dead on the floor at home.
	Unbelievable.
	Yeah, and the more the media advertises this, and it isn't staged, They hype it.
	Everybody knows criminology that when I hype this enough, other people will decide to commit suicide.
	The new way to commit suicide is go out and shoot a bunch of people and have the cops then kill you.
	I don't know why these cowards don't just shove a gun in their mouth and kill themselves.
	Why do they have to go kill a bunch of kids in the process?
	And they're targeting gun-free zones too because they know it's going to be a long time before anybody attacks them.
	We can't sit by like sheep anymore and we've got to defend ourselves out.
	Look, if you can have police...
	Outside movie theaters, you can have them in these big bubble schools that are targets.
	If you're not going to harm the principals of people, and then they'll put the police in and have you there doing other stuff with the kids, you know, turning into a police tape, but, I mean, you just imagine that these are the, this is the advertised place to go kill kids, and we're 310 million people, you know, there's only a few hundred of these demons out there, but they're just, they're just out there.
	God bless you.
	I appreciate your point, sir.
	Let's go to Sean in Nevada as a police officer, then to Rob.
	Sean, you're on the air.
	What's your take on this?
	I just want to reiterate what Chris just said.
	I actually trained officers in the response to these what we call active shooter events, and he's absolutely correct.
	After Columbine, They realized that that response was absolutely wrong.
	That was how people were trained prior to that event.
	That was the first mass shooting like that in the country.
	The training at the time was, wait until SWAT gets there.
	Well, SWAT's going to be too far away.
	Officers are trained to go in and two men, three or four if they arrive, and actively seek out the shooter.
	They are trained to actually, as harsh as it sounds, To bypass victims.
	And we do drills.
	We have role players that are on the floor, wearing, uh...
	Well, the shooter is going to give them aid, then the shooter is going to come up and shoot you and keep killing people.
	Well, the train could track this person down, to go towards the shooting, find the shooter and eliminate them.
	Then the rescue effort starts, the searching starts.
	So that's how the train goes.
	So as far as the pandemic goes, wherever you got that from, that's misinformation.
	That's not how we're trained.
	If it happened in an incident, it was completely and totally wrong.
	I agree.
	I know they changed it, except when the feds get involved like Blacksburg.
	Remember that?
	A few years ago in Virginia where they sent it for over two hours again because the feds said we're in control of this.
	I mean, I don't know who would listen to that.
	I wouldn't listen to it.
	Like you said yourself, if kids are getting killed, I don't know one single officer that would not go in on duty or off duty by themselves to take care of that incident.
	In fact, Sports Science News is an organization out of Canada that analyzes post-sheets and that kind of stuff and these kinds of events.
	They just came out with a report this month in their newsletter that recommends No longer even doing a two or three officer response waiting for them to get there that a single officer response is better because statistically Like a trained or ingrained response to these people.
	When they are confronted with police, they either kill themselves or they give up.
	We see that repeatedly.
	Only the ultimate coward will want to go kill children, so of course.
	And in some of this, like the Batman shooter, I mean, that whole thing is psychotropic drugs up one side and down the other.
	You can't debate it.
	Thank you so much, sir, for your call.
	We appreciate that.
	Sean, you know, you hear these police, they really sound like good men, don't they?
	But then you've got the government on top of them that's as corrupt as the day is long.
	And if they try to come from people's guns, folks, it's going to be really bad news.
	I'm just having so much dread right now.
	I just think, when you've got small children, this really gets to you.
	That's why the globalists use children's deaths to go after our guns, because they know it gets to us.
	You know, these liberals would rather have the children aborted immediately, but if they can, you know...
	If they can use them being killed by these shooters, then that's even better for them.
	Rob in New York, and I'm going to look this up.
	We've been looking and I haven't found it yet.
	Where did you find this email released prior to shooting?
	Tell us what you know about that.
	Yeah, how's it going Alex?
	I was just watching Channel 7, ABC News, New York, and I was wondering about the coincidence that they were saying that there were emails sent out to family members just recently.
	They didn't say an exact date.
	It was saying in email that this is the same exact situation to be on the lookout for.
	Say that again?
	That this is the same exact situation to be on the lookout for.
	Yeah, I know they announced it said a few weeks ago, new security procedures and you had to get through a gate and all this, basically turning it into a, it turned the whole thing into a prison.
	But we'll continue to look at that.
	Anything else you'd like to add, sir?
	Yeah, I was just wondering, I mean, it's a coincidence or Is that the idea that this person got, you know, because of these training drills to go do that, or is I just, you know?
	All I know is that, and I appreciate your call, because I read a lot of criminology books because they're so interesting.
	When I was younger, I read it because they were interesting, but later I realized it was important.
	Criminals love to brag.
	That's one thing everybody knows, but another big thing is, crazy people, every time they had somebody jump off the Empire State Building or jump off the World Trade Center, And be on the news.
	Immediately they put police up there before they built a big fences because crazies would show up and go to the same thing.
	And then it would cause a cascade of, you know, some of the cases, four or five people in a week would jump off a skyscraper.
	It happens in Dallas, Chicago, everywhere.
	And it's the same thing.
	A lot of times if you have a bank robber robbing things in a certain mask, if it happens enough, other people will go get masks into the same thing.
	And, uh, people are highly suggestible.
	Ryan Lanza, ID'd as Newtown school shooting gunman.
	He looks like a hipster.
	Oh, my bad money that guy was on a bunch of serotonin reef taking habitors.
	The alleged gunman appears to possibly point to the wrong man.
	Ryan Lanza lists his hometown as What publication is that out of?
	We'll continue.
	Look, you better know this.
	All day at InfoWars.com and PrisonBot.com.
	throughout the weekend i'll be found reports can we'll use this transfer against and uh...
	it makes me so angry at that michael or appears more than people like this because they know they know that mass shootings are flat in the last twenty years they know that overall crime is much higher in areas where they restrict the second amendment And they're really angry that the gun culture is starting to take hold here.
	And all I can tell the police is, you better let the feds know.
	I mean, let me tell you something.
	People are not turning their guns in.
	And if they tried to get the police to do that, it is going to cause a big problem.
	And I don't want that to happen.
	It's coming up because this news is so important.
	Plus, we have this report we've worked on for weeks, breaking down the fact that 2012, December 21st, is not the end of the world.
	We've got this there and I just put together with myself.
	We'll air that in a moment.
	We've got a CBS second share reporter.
	We've confirmed all those reports.
	We're going to go to you, Bill, in Connecticut.
	Says, next count over from Resident, we're going to go to him in a moment.
	I'm going to take a break here and play this special report on 2012, because a lot of you tuned in today to hear it.
	And I'm going to compose myself here.
	He heard me a few days ago, Mike Adams said this stuff's really starting to get to me.
	I end up thinking about this all the time and working all the time till I'm like a zombie.
	And then I can't take off to recharge my batteries because all I'm doing is thinking about this.
	And I'm not trying to whine on air, I just...
	This country is in so much trouble, that's all I can say.
	You know, we need to boycott Pierre Morgan, we need to boycott Michael Moore, and all these other people that use stuff like this to take our rights.
	America is America because of the First and Second Amendment.
	And the Tent Amendment.
	Teachers' son, 24...
	nine including twenty two children at connecticut elementary as he had a second shooter massacre towering students in the worst school shooting in american history and that is a inside job right there in the way you cut it i bet money that woman was a super liberal i bet money That's what I said.
	I said, I bet he's in his 20s, a big video gamer, a trendy.
	And I said that to Jakari and Melissa Melton and David Knight back there in their office.
	And they're like, yeah, he's 20-something, yeah, and we found his photo.
	And, you know, they may just be a nut.
	Well, maybe Sage, they know they're going to use it, though.
	Evan helped us.
	But the media's saying, here's the guy's photo, but then there's other photos of a guy with the same name.
	Who knows?
	We'll have to track this.
	I talked to Bill, who's in Connecticut next town over from where this happened.
	What's your take on this, Bill?
	Well, I'm watching the local cable news, and they seem to have the most updated and accurate information.
	And they just indicated moments ago that the police are going door-to-door looking for a second gunman.
	And then they have a helicopter shot over another school a mile south called St. Rose of Lima School.
	And about six policemen were in the parking lot.
	And then suddenly they just bolted into the school about five minutes ago.
	So right now it's just an overhead shot and really no one knows why they went into the school.
	But it gives one cause to wonder what they're doing at that school to begin with.
	Now say that again for me.
	What exactly is happening on the local news?
	The police were in a parking lot of another school about a mile south of the other school.
	And the school is St. Rose of Lima School.
	Sure.
	And there were about six policemen in the parking lot.
	And suddenly they bolted into the school.
	What, thinking there may be another shooter?
	I'm sure there's false alarm.
	People are probably panicking.
	Or I didn't see the video of this.
	I mean, what did it look like to you?
	Um, it looked like something was going on inside the school.
	Now, the reporters on the scene, the local reporters, are saying that the police are going door-to-door in the area, apparently looking, they're assuming that they're looking for another gunman.
	Oh, yeah.
	Listen, I... Even a Prozac head, because again, they admit it can cause psychotic breaks and make people have no empathy and do this.
	It takes incredible will to go around shooting a little bit of kids.
	Most soldiers, even with instinctive training, have trouble killing other men up close.
	It's just unbelievable.
	But there is this nihilistic, sicko, Satan culture out there where people think it's really cool to talk about hurting kids.
	And all I'd like to say is, man...
	This could be staged as well.
	I mean, the Batman thing had all the signs of it and more just keeps coming out.
	And it is crazy to think government could be doing this, but they did fast and furious.
	Sirhan Sirhan was mind controlled.
	The police report said he didn't shoot RFK. And there's so many examples of real mind control programs.
	You know, it's hard to believe the government does secret experiments on kids and kills them, but it's been declassified.
	I don't know.
	What's your gut tell you about this?
	I agree with you that there's something more to it.
	You don't have all of these infinite tapas clustered in the past few years and not having some other factor.
	Well, notice that you didn't have it in the last few years, and now that Obama's coming in with gun control, magically these shootings are popping up.
	I mean, heaven help us, folks.
	Pray for no copycats.
	Here are the headlines up at PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com.
	Michael Moore calls for strict gun control after school massacre.
	Enemies of Second Amendment will exploit Connecticut shooting.
	We're just gonna continue here, folks, into overdrive.
	We're gonna continue here throughout the hour.
	Taking your phone calls.
	Enemies of Second Amendment.
	We'll exploit Connecticut shooting.
	We've got that headline.
	Monolithic Intelligence Agency collecting info on every American to protect crimes.
	Trilaterals discuss big war in Middle East as Obama sends soldiers to Turkey.
	TSA calls bomb specialists on wheelchair-bound 12-year-old girl with bone disorder.
	If she cries on the mother, she couldn't comfort him.
	It's all about dominating us.
	Samsung TVs can be hacked.
	I mean, it's just all insane.
	Right now, let's go back to your calls.
	Toll-free number for everybody to join us.
	800-259-9231.
	800-259-9231.
	Let's go ahead and talk to Pete in Long Island, who's been holding.
	Pete, give a sure take on the situation.
	Alex, I think, like you mentioned before, we need to say a prayer for all the victims, the victims' families, the first responders on the scene, and the teachers, everyone who's witnessing this horrific event.
	I'm monitoring the Newswire here on Morale and CBS News, you know, because they've got the all-seeing eye as their logo.
	And it's really interesting.
	I had a couple of points if you can give me time.
	I know we're up at the 50th of the show, but...
	No, I'm going to keep going.
	We're in overdrive.
	Go ahead.
	All right, great.
	This one reporter asked the local reporter on the scene, you know, we had reports of a second shooter in the woods, and he wouldn't confirm that story.
	So they're not ready to come forward with a second shooter yet.
	They're still pushing this narrative that was a lone gunman, you know.
	And the second thing I wanted to talk about was that this is very reminiscent of the Dunbarine Massacre in Great Britain back in 96 that pushed a total gun ban in Great Britain in 1997. I wanted to give you a spot on that.
	I listened to the calls, but then since I'm going to overdrive, I was having to give them directions.
	They popped in my ear for five seconds.
	What was the last question?
	I wanted to give your thoughts on how this is eerily reminiscent of a dumb blame school massacre in Great Britain.
	No, no, no, no, no, incredibly.
	And they had a Tasmanian shooting that was just the same.
	And look, here's the deal.
	People who were ignorant go, Alex, how can you always say we've got to look at this as government?
	I'm not saying that.
	I'm saying if governments have a history, Of being caught staging fake shootings and bombings to take people's liberties and crack down on the public in the name of security, and you've got telltale signs of it over and over again,
	you've got to then investigate to see if criminal elements of government or foreign corporations or the UN or others are involved.
	I mean, it's a fact that Israel just died in Israel created fake al-Qaeda groups.
	Israel staged bombings against itself.
	Not saying all bombings against Israel are fake.
	I mean, that's herats in Jerusalem Post.
	I'm not anti-Israel because I report Israel's been caught doing it.
	Uh, Germany One Guardian under Spiegel reports has been caught firebombing buildings to land on the right wing to take liberties.
	That happened a bunch in the nineties.
	Governments do this.
	And so, being naive about it, and I'm not saying you're saying this, I'm answering your question, really only helps the locals do this more.
	Are they real crazies?
	Yes.
	Do they hype mass school shootings or unstable people then think about it?
	That's a way to do it too.
	Listen, when there ain't no real terror attacks, we've had real power plants and chemical plants blown up and real bombings in this country.
	corporate terrorism and stuff where it's real groups doing it and it's on the news one time never heard again because you don't give terrorism attention okay that used to be in the handbooks till the early 90s of all major governments you don't give it attention that gives the terrorists what they want when you see a terror attack and they hyped it like it's the end of the world you can better believe governments behind it or they allow it to happen or they're going to use it to take your freedoms and they're being cynical
	so there's your answer yeah And the left are a bunch of eugenics, death-loving, secret-testing-on-population collectivists who want control of your children and your life and who want death education in the schools and who want to euthanize old people and children and kill babies up to age three.
	They're a new listener.
	Just type in a bioethics publication, a bioethics medical journal, you know, calls for killing babies up to age three.
	They use children to scare you into submission to get your guns.
	Less crime.
	And the gun culture is winning.
	And if we beat them on that, we can beat them on everything.
	Where people know that the government wants our guns to enslave us.
	When the local police understand that, when the states understand that, with that basic understanding, we can beat them on every front.
	And we've had police call in today and say, absolutely, these schools are victim disarmament zones, are crazy people, like this son of one of the teachers reportedly now, 18 dead children, will put up the latest numbers there on screen for folks.
	We can just throw that article up there with the latest numbers, guys.
	And we'll go to people's phone calls here.
	27 dead, including 18 children, at Sandy Hook School Shooting in Newtown, one of the biggest school shootings in our history.
	And they used school shootings in England that had government connections that later turned out and in Australia to take the guns.
	This is the mode.
	The government shipped tens of thousands of guns and hand grenades in New Mexico to blame the Second Amendment and got caught doing it.
	The government is the criminals that run Washington, D.C. Our government is using Al-Qaeda, which we forced into the mainstream news, New York Times this week.
	The White House had to respond to kill Christians, to blow up mosques, to blow up synagogues, to go after minority groups.
	In Syria, our government is backing Al-Qaeda, so don't think for a minute they wouldn't wind up some crazy person and protect them and let them do this.
	Now, I don't know that.
	This guy fits the U.M.O., you know, some trendy, you know, spoiled rotten brat, going in and killing his mommy and her whole class.
	I mean, just little bitty children.
	And there's so much evil in our culture now.
	I mean, people are really into sick stuff now.
	And that's all the reason for me to own guns, okay?
	I don't want to live like they do in the cities where they ban the guns and the crime rates off the chart and the thug.
	That's what I'm going to say on that subject.
	We've got articles up at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
	Michael Moore, that disgusting anti-American authoritarian pig, he's not a liberal, lost in the bodyguards with guns in New York and manhandled me.
	It's on video of martial law on my film when I'm about 15 feet away doing nothing but videotaping.
	Michael Moore calls for strict gun control after school massacre.
	Enemies of Second Amendment will exploit Connecticut shooting.
	Big article there that's got links to admitted mind control in the previous half.
	So we're going to be getting into all of that, but right now let's get your take from callers.
	Eddie in Texas wants to talk about the supposed Facebook page for the reported shooter.
	And we'll give you more of his name and information here in a moment.
	Go ahead, you're on the air, sir.
	Yeah, I was just watching Alex Jones Show.
	I'm down here in Rocktown, Texas, and we looked at the name because they went ahead and They said his name on one of the local news stations, Ryan Lanzo, I believe, and immediately we got on Facebook, and their Facebook seems just glorifying basically what he did.
	You know, the light kind, not the friend kind, the ones you can basically go ahead and like.
	And I just think that it's ridiculous, and I think it's propulsive that people are going around and just mass-glorifying this shooter.
	And it just, it goes to show that, you know, they're gonna...
	Do what they can to basically state that more people support gun ban.
	Well, look at the mall shooter.
	It's the spoiled, rotten, arrogant Hollywood types.
	They are so arrogant and in this image of themselves is super cool, and the more arrogant they act, the more powerful they are, and then when their narcissistic world falls in, they think of the nastiest thing they can do, there's a selfishness, and go out and shoot people.
	It's the same thing in the gangbanger culture, just from a different angle.
	And elementary school massacre, twenty-six dead, twenty-seven dead, now eighteen kids in Connecticut, And, I mean, it's always the M.O. here.
	And you notice they've declared war on the Second Amendment, and now all this magically, magically kicks off.
	And, you know, they can even program people to the television sets now as subliminals.
	And if you're susceptible, you'll, I mean, I mean, we're in deep trouble.
	And they're going to use this to go after our Second Amendment.
	And I've seen that.
	We should do a report on people glorifying him.
	I don't know what you call it or quantify it.
	Are you aware of the culture that's big on torturing animals now and the culture that's big on being evil is really cool and spreading with the hopelessness in some of the youth?
	Is that what you're getting at here, Eddie?
	What I think personally is, I think that, you know, it's just all this torturous thing that they, you know, these kids try to play these video games and then the government lets allow these things to go on.
	I think it brainwashes people into personally believing that it's cool to go around and, you know, play this Call of Duty like life and things like that.
	Oh, no, no, no.
	There's no doubt.
	Great points.
	There's no doubt.
	People say, well, I played Call of Duty.
	I'm not a killer.
	That's because you weren't already twisted a little bit mentally ill and on a certain degree of taking ever.
	That literally programs you that the Pentagon developed video games.
	Video games were invented.
	Because in Vietnam, in previous wars, if somebody was like 10 feet away from you, a lot of people wouldn't kill somebody.
	So it's called instinctive shooting.
	That's what paper targets were for.
	Well, to get you to, you know, bad guy, good guy, woman with a baby, don't shoot, God with a gun, shoot.
	To instinctively train to kill.
	If you do not have a strong killer instinct at the moment of truth, he will not kill!
	He will become dead marine!
	Okay, so it's a killer instinct.
	And the video game Doom, a first-person shooter deal, was developed for the Pentagon.
	Okay, so it's a fact, and I'm not saying get rid of it because of the First Amendment, but many of these shooters Harrison Kleibel, what's going on?
	The last guy at the mall, it turns out, was a big shooter gamer.
	They live this whole world, then they get guns, and they just, you know...
	I've seen cases where somebody gets a gun, these young people, and there's a shootout at their house that night, because they weren't brought up in the Second Amendment culture.
	And just because the culture is falling apart and rotting apart, It'd be like saying ban having children for everybody because other people might abort their kid.
	That makes no sense.
	That'd be like ban, you know, sports, so somebody might get hurt.
	Because there's bad people out there, you don't get to take my guns.
	That's the reason I have my guns.
	And there is this, if you have to talk about them, it's like a punk.
	You know, uh, black, white, Hispanic, and a lot of times the white or Hispanic, I notice that trend.
	Uh, blacks is usually statistically, this is, I guess, a cultural, the way the media works, things, you know, blacks killing blacks, as you know, other males.
	But then, a lot of times the white or Hispanic, and they kill each other in gang stuff too, but statistically these, uh, these active shooter things are, uh, you know, uh, Everybody goes postal, but it just keeps being white guys.
	And sometimes Hispanic.
	And it's a video game head.
	They're usually into the occult.
	They're hipster trendies, and they throw a fit and they'll kill a bunch of people.
	And you've also got veterans.
	They'll kill cops when they come to their house.
	They'll kill their families.
	They've been five, six, seven terrorists.
	The Pentagon puts them on drugs, and that's a terrible idea.
	Let's go to Ben in Louisiana.
	What's your take on this?
	I mean, it's practically the same thing as always.
	I think it's kind of weird.
	Just like you said, even if it isn't an inside job, even if it wasn't the government or whatever, they're still going to use it to their advantage.
	As a matter of fact, I can see right now on my TV on Fox News, President Obama's making an announcement and all that stuff.
	I can almost guarantee that he's going to say we need to get rid of the guns.
	But, for instance, like you said, Israel puts the M16s in the lockers, which, by the way, I didn't know.
	But, I mean, that's perfect.
	Give the teachers, for elementary schools and all these schools, give the teachers the guns.
	Train them how to use them.
	Well, actually, in many areas of Israel, the students bring M16s.
	I mean, my dad used to bring his rifles and shotguns to school.
	No, no, that's just like me.
	I'm 20 years old.
	I just graduated high school two years ago.
	We were allowed to have our guns and our trucks.
	We just couldn't take them out.
	But, I mean, it's just like you said.
	Everybody wants to get away from the guns, which isn't really the problem.
	The problem, look, look, blaming guns for crime is like blaming spoons for fat people.
	It's like blaming, uh...
	You know, Michael Vick was fighting dogs, so let's ban everybody on dogs, because somebody might do something bad with a dog.
	Did you see what I mean, if you're like, what does it make sense?
	Well, how does the anti-gun control, how does the anti-gun control crowd, how does the anti-gun crowd sell that?
	They're authoritarians.
	Michael Moore, all these people, they have a job.
	Break the American spirit, get our guns.
	MTV, all of it pushes the gangster culture, the violent culture, the video games, the nihilism, the Satanism.
	In the name of scaring all of us and turning our guns in, no!
	I guarantee gun sales are going to be all-time record now, and that's good.
	The answer is, look, I can kill people with a hammer.
	I can kill you with my car.
	I can kill you with a nail gun.
	I can kill you with a hatchet.
	It's this idea that it's guns that are causing the violence.
	There's as many stabbings every year as there are shootings.
	Look it up.
	Well, CNN, Salon, all of them, I've got the articles right here.
	They're all blaming the Second Amendment, just saying man guns, period.
	Obama has come out and given a speech.
	I have a transcript of it.
	We're printing off right now.
	He said, we've got to come together and take meaningful action to stop this, and that means restrict the Second Amendment.
	So, you know they're going to exploit this tragedy.
	You know, Hollywood puts out the most indiscriminate violence, death, murder, you name it, showing people using firearms in an improper way, and then, on top of it, they're anti-gun.
	So, remember that, too.
	Remember that, too.
	So, this is the idea.
	By the way, here's an article.
	People pointed this out.
	We need to do a report on this.
	Maybe I'll get one of the writers to ask the question, will Obama call for banning knives?
	Here is the article.
	This is out of Current.com.
	Knife-wielding man injures 22 children in China.
	A knife-wielding man slash 22 children and an adult in elementary school in Central China on Friday.
	State media reported that he was in a series of attacks on school children in the comfort.
	Yeah, they're having their own epidemic.
	That's not when they killed a bunch of kids in Japan with knives.
	So, there is a certain type of demon ghoul, especially with all the advertising of this, that goes out to attack children.
	And here is Obama says there will have to be This is actually cut off to pronounce, so I can't read it.
	Of these incidents in racing years have been too many, and they're going to have to come together to take meaningful action to stop more incidents like these regardless of the politics.
	And it just goes on and on.
	He says he's very heartbroken for the dead children.
	Of course, not the ones he's bombing me legally with drones right now, though.
	You know, that's collateral damage when you kill 50-something kids at a wedding to kill one guy who claims bad, violating the Geneva Convention illegally in somebody else's country with robot drones killing people.
	But that's collateral damage, though.
	You know, I'm not going to hear about those kids or be shown them.
	We're just going to be showing these kids over and over again to get our guns.
	Just remember the cold-blooded way they're using these murdered children, like vampires, the energy of these murdered children of themselves disarm us so they can make us their collective slaves.
	Noel in Virginia, you're on the air.
	Welcome.
	Hey, Alex, how are you doing?
	I'm not doing too good.
	What?
	Yeah, it's a shame.
	I talked to you on the election night.
	I was the last caller, if you recall.
	But the ball, you know, my little boy just went with his mother, because what's up for it?
	Anyway, listen.
	I don't believe anything that the news media says.
	I believe that this is all orchestrated.
	I believe that this is just...
	The government has no respect for our rights anymore.
	They're doing this so they can take out guns and they would all be going to agenda 21. Well, listen, they've got people that hate guns so bad, we're noticing a trend with sicko-leftists on Twitter where they're praising this, saying, good, now we can get their guns, use this Obama to take their guns and give us their money.
	So they've got nihilistic liberals that hate America so much.
	We should look at that as a theory, that they may start having their own zombies do this.
	That's how bad they want our guns.
	It's like a form of suicide bomber.
	A suicide shooter, a lot of these guys are the leftists we're now learning.
	They could be doing this to get our guns that way.
	You ever think about that?
	Oh yeah, listen, I, I, nothing that, nothing...
	Uh, we won't stop me anymore in this world that we live in.
	We need to pray to God, we need to stay close to our children.
	But Alex, if you've got a chance, I know you're a researcher, you need to look at the last three days of CNN, a nine o'clock show, that idiot from England, well, they had gun control issues in no three days.
	No, no, no, I know, sir.
	They have hit the ground running in a buildup, and I said, this is the attack.
	People got to find the clips the last two months.
	I said they are launching attacks, they're getting ready, I can see them warming up with Obama, they've got a bigger majority in the Congress, now in the Senate, they are going to come after our guns, look for mass shootings, and then magically They are coming.
	They've already taken over healthcare.
	The premiums are doubling.
	They're bankrupting that.
	They're already shipped GM to China.
	They are going to gut this country.
	They're going to shut down the power plants.
	They're going to bankrupt us.
	They are re-educating us.
	Just like we were Ukrainians, and they're Russians.
	They want us bankrupt.
	They want the counties and the cities bankrupted and federalized.
	The feds themselves run by globalists.
	What does the new magazine say?
	You can get it by subscribing.
	You can get 12 issues.
	This man wants your guns.
	And when I break down here, they're declaring war on the Second Amendment period.
	They are declaring war on the Second Amendment period.
	They are coming after our Second Amendment.
	It has happened.
	They want to kill America.
	America in 2013. That is their goal.
	That is what they want.
	They are moving to do it.
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	It's one of the plaintiff's exhibits.
	Unless you really want me to, I wasn't going to plan.
	That's fine.
	Ms. Karpova, is this typical of the Alex Jones film?
	Which parts are you referring to specifically?
	The 50-minute segment we watched with the callers coming in, calling in, and reacting to them.
	Yes, that's how the show goes usually.
	There were several times when there were glitches that we saw.
	Is that typical, like an article not finished, things like that?
	Oh yeah, so the crew will print out of the article.
	A lot of times there's a malfunction in the printer, and the lines will be cut off, or the sentences will be cut off, the title will be cut off.
	It happens all the time.
	You've worked at InfoWars for going on how long now?
	Six, seven years.
	Fair to say that you've been part of InfoWars when it was covering tragedies?
	Yes.
	In your experience, is it typical in the aftermath of a tragedy that there would be a lot of information that comes out that turns out to be wrong?
	Yes, absolutely, because there's a lot of information that comes in.
	A lot of it is wrong.
	A lot of the mainstream media runs with wrong information.
	That's typical.
	And Alex knows that, so he considers all of it.
	There was a segment of the video where Alex goes pretty hard after the government for bombing children in Iraq and Syria.
	Do you recall that?
	Yes.
	Can you expand upon, as an InfoWars employee, Alex's views on war and our government's involvement?
	Would you describe Alex as anti-war?
	Yes, most definitely.
	Is he harder on the Democrats than on the Republicans when it comes to his coverage of the government engaging in war?
	Do you recall the reference to during the video he said we had a special segment that the world is not going to end on December 21st?
	2012. Do you recall hearing that?
	I recall that, yes.
	Can you speak to what he meant by, or what the Yes, so there was a talk conspiracy theory that was going to be the end of the world at that time.
	And as soon as he heard it, he knew it was a ridiculous thing that was out there and he wanted to give you all the reasons that that wasn't going to happen.
	Is that also typical of InfoWars to cover some ridiculous theories?
	A few, I would say.
	One thing that we didn't define earlier, he makes reference to subliminal programming.
	Do you know what he's referring to?
	He's referring to particular images or words that might be shown on screen in films or any other media that kind of prepares your mind.
	Your mind can see the message, but you cannot consciously identify as the message being there.
	Does that play into the idea of the Patsy?
	Yes, I think so.
	Or the Prozac ad?
	I think so.
	I'd like to change course a little bit and talk a little bit about who different people are who work at InfoWiz.
	Thank you.
	So briefly, so what's Alex's so what's Alex's role at InfoWars?
	sad Alex is the founder, the CEO, the main guy, the company, the boss.
	And he also has a show?
	Yes.
	Another name we heard was, several times, was Rob Dew.
	Who is Rob Dew?
	Rob Dew was someone who was there with Alex In Alex's early days and he was hired by Alex as a camera guy and he would go out to the streets with him to other locations and he would be mostly a video editor and just help Alex with whatever Alex needed.
	And when you say the early days, is that the late 90s that you're referring to?
	I'm not sure when exactly he started working with Alex, but it was one of the...
	At some point, did he have his own show?
	Who Rob did?
	Yeah, or report on the air.
	He would be a guest occasionally, but no, he did not have his own show.
	But you would see him on the air occasionally?
	Occasionally, yes.
	Does he still work at informal?
	he does not Adon Salazar Who's Adan Salazar?
	Adan is a writer.
	And what does that mean when somebody's a writer?
	Writers typically research the news, find interesting stories, repost stories that we think are good and relevant to InfoWars.com, They would also work on their own pieces, original pieces, based on their research from other sources.
	They would do investigations also the best they could to back out their articles.
	Nico Acosta?
	Nico was a producer.
	So will you distinguish for me between what a producer does versus what a writer does?
	Well, producer doesn't write any articles, doesn't repost articles, doesn't have editorial management of the website.
	They mostly deal with guests and whatever Alex needs for the show.
	Paul Watson.
	Paul Watson was an editor at large, a writer, a personality.
	What do you mean when you say a personality?
	Paul has his own presence online.
	He frequently He records videos and uploads them on different subjects that have to do with politics or social issues.
	And he is his own person with his own opinions, producing his own reports.
	And what nationality is he?
	He is British.
	And typically where would he be located?
	I think in London, sometimes he goes to other places in Europe, but London is his primary residence, as I understand.
	And how often would he contribute to Infowars?
	On a frequent basis.
	Does he still work there?
	He...he's a contributor.
	But he's not an employer?
	I don't believe so.
	Or was he ever actually?
	I think he was also always a contributor, my understanding.
	And so let me ask you, David Knight.
	David Knight was another anchor on Infowars platform and he did have his own show.
	And so when you describe him as an anchor, what does that mean?
	That means he is responsible for the content that he produces for his own show.
	He's the main host of the show.
	He brings the guests that he wants.
	He picks the articles that he wants to discuss.
	That's it.
	Owen Schor.
	Owen Schroer is another host on Infowars platform and he also has his own show.
	: Alright.
	: Now, somebody we've heard of as well is a guy named Dan Bdondi.
	Do you remember talking about that yesterday?
	Yes.
	And Mr. Bankston asked you if he was an InfoWars employee, and I think you responded, Sorter.
	Yes.
	Would you expand upon that?
	From my understanding, Dan was somebody who was a fan of InfoWars, and he wanted to be a reporter.
	He would contact Rob Dewey.
	As to his potential contributions to the site, to the show, and volunteered his reporting engagements.
	Was he ever brought on as a W-2 employee for all purposes?
	I don't believe so.
	Now I want to ask you some questions about the And identify some players in the truther community.
	What is the truther community?
	Truther community is something that has become popular after the events of 9-11.
	Those were people primarily who thought that was a cover-up.
	That was There was a cover-up part of the 9-11 events that happened on that day in New York City.
	And they were working to expose that, to talk about it, and bring it to the general public's attention.
	So let me ask you about, were there also truthers involved in Sandy Hook?
	Yes.
	Let me ask you an interview about a man named Dr. James Fetzer.
	Who is he?
	My understanding is that James Fetzer was a professor at a university, I believe in Minnesota, at that time.
	Also an author, a book author.
	And did he write a book about Sandy Hook that was discussed yesterday?
	Yes, he did.
	And what was the name of that book?
	The book was called Nobody Died at Sandy Hook.
	And did the book have other contributing authors who submitted articles for it?
	I believe James Tracy.
	And is that Dr. James Tracy?
	The professor was at University of Minnesota?
	Definitely a professor at university, I believe Minnesota, yes.
	And Dr. James Tracy, who is he?
	He was also a professor at a university in Florida, I believe.
	Do you recall what he was a professor of?
	I don't recall right now, sorry.
	Were both of them, if you know, tenured professors at these universities?
	I'm not sure.
	What was Dr. James Tracy's contribution to the truther community?
	Well, I believe he was, again, he questioned Sandy Hook.
	He believed it was staged.
	And I also believe he was a 9-11 truther.
	Thank you.
	Dr. Steve, I believe that's pronounced Pichenich, Pechenik.
	Pechenik.
	Who is he?
	Dr. Steve Pechenik is someone who was a very frequent guest with Alex for a very long time, 20 years I think.
	And he was a doctor of psychiatry, psychologist.
	He also worked for the CIA and he worked for the government being involved in overthrowing other governments.
	Did you have occasion as part of Doing your corporate rep work to research the origins of the idea that no one died at San Diego?
	I did make an effort to do so.
	And where did you find that the idea originated?
	Well, I cannot say for sure if there weren't other people.
	But from my research, there was a Talk show, a blogger, documentary filmmaker by the name of Sophia Smallstorm, and she was a big proponent of Sandy Hook being a staged event.
	When you say that Sophia Smallstorm was a big component of Sandy Hook being seen as a fake event, what do you mean by a big component?
	Well, I believe she didn't consider it being, she didn't think it actually happened.
	She thought it was all actors, that there were no children that died, that the children were actors, as well as the parents were actors.
	Did she have a large following online at the time?
	I believe she did at that time.
	She was prominent in that community and with that theory.
	After 9-11, in the decade between 9-11 and Sandy Hook, can you estimate for the members of the jury how large the truther community was?
	Sorry, could you say that again?
	As part of your research into the origins of the no one died at Sandy Hook myth, did you have occasion to see how many truthers were already out there at the time Sophia Smallstorm began covering Sandy did you have occasion to see how many truthers were already I'm here on the same question.
	I'm saying you made a question.
	You obviously did not see it.
	It's the same.
	Thank you.
	Did Sophia come before or after Alex?
	way a little bit more.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	So I'm showing you what's in evidence as Plaintiff's Exhibit 31, which is the timeline of videos.
	So we saw that...
	We've seen...
	The first video on December 14th, we just watched.
	Is that 50-minute clip that we just watched?
	Is that correct?
	Now, did InfoWars continue to cover Sandy Hook over the following month and a half?
	Yes.
	Over that time, did Questions begin to arise in the media and online about inconsistencies of the official network.
	Absolutely.
	Did Paul Watson on January 18th have a conversation about clearing up some disinformation on Sandy Hook massacre with James Tracy?
	You're referring to the video?
	Yes.
	Yes.
	And in that video, does Paul Watson express that he is confident that real children were killed and that this was a massacre?
	Yes.
	Is this in evidence?
	This is not one of the ones that they've objected to, and it's on their list.
	Well, that's not the same thing, is it?
	At this time, I would offer that exhibit, I believe.
	Actually, it is in evidence as funny as it did before.
	I'm sorry, Your Honor, but it's their exhibit.
	Plaintiff's Exhibit 4 is a family photograph.
	It's a video exhibit.
	It's January 10th.
	Plaintiff's Video 4 says clearing up that one.
	It looks like you may have just misdated it, so it's a January 10th.
	Okay.
	My exhibit list doesn't have dates.
	Right, that's why we had to, we actually had to work on the stipulation with them for 31. Okay.
	Because we obviously couldn't figure out these until they told us.
	Alright, so I think the objection was hearsay.
	To that question, yes.
	Right, that's still sustained.
	If you want to ask questions, you need to also establish some knowledge.
	Have you, are you generally familiar with Yes, I am.
	And without telling us what anyone says, can you describe the format of what you see on that video?
	It's a debate of sorts, and Paul is presenting his view that he believes the children died.
	And Paul works for who at the time?
	Alex Jones?
	Now, the next event, I'm sorry, probably people can't see that because I've got my chart in front of it.
	I don't have one.
	I apologize for Mr. Kirby.
	Thank you.
	So, We just watched the top video, the first video that was done by Alex Jones on the day of the shooting, correct?
	Correct.
	And what we've just been discussing is Paul Watson's interview with James Tracy that can be seen here.
	Yes.
	And you would agree with, well, about how long after the shooting was that?
	About a month.
	About a week later, is there another, a little bit more than a week, nine days later, is there another broadcast?
	Yes.
	And what's it called?
	Why people think Sandy Hook is a hoax.
	And that is in evidence as play this video exhibit number five.
	I'd like to, if you'd like I'm going to play it now.
	You're in charge of how you use your time for the most part.
	I understand your owner likes to take a break at this time.
	No, not today.
	We started late.
	We're taking a break at noon.
	It's a 17-minute clip broadcast.
	These are aerial pictures here in Harris County, Texas, as we have been watching the better part of this last hour.
	North Harris campus is on lockdown.
	This is an active situation.
	We are not showing you live pictures because of what we may possibly see.
	The corporate state-run media calls anybody that questions the official propaganda That's just a way to demonize your opposition and to try to get weak minded people to not investigate the information that the alternative media is putting out.
	Everything the government or mainstream media puts out is a lie.
	I've gotten a lot of criticism for not coming out and saying that Sandy Hook is an inside job.
	It has some of the tell-tale signs of being an inside job, but those are the same signs you will see if the government is simply using the crisis.
	Like Rahm Emanuel has famously said, don't let a good crisis go to waste.
	Here's a clip of that.
	You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.
	What I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before.
	Now again, in the last month and a half, Unfortunately, evidence is beginning to come out that points more and more in that direction.
	We're going to show you that information in a moment.
	Now, a lot of the tens of millions of video views on YouTube concerning the Sandy Hook hoax surround CNN. Occasionally
	it happens.
	I always forget, frankly, to tell the jurors that all they have to do is raise their hand and say, I have to have a break right now.
	So I apologize.
	At every trial, I forget to mention that.
	I need to make a little list.
	So if you have an emergency, just let me know.
	So sorry, I forgot to tell all of you to tell me if you needed.
	If you had a reason to leave the break immediately, just let me know.
	No, don't apologize, it's fine.
	It seems like you've noticed right away, so you probably don't need to go back.
	But I don't think that you knew, you think you missed something.
	Oh, was it a long time ago?
	two minutes and and what appears to be people who've been coached people who've been given cue cards people who are behaving like actors and And we see CNN criticizing all the witnesses from the helicopter and the news crews and witnesses, adults, that saw multiple people being detained who were in camo.
	We're told, oh, those are five-year-olds saying that.
	It's a conspiracy theory.
	When it's not five-year-olds saying that, it's adults.
	Some officers were arrested from other jurisdictions creeping around the woods.
	Something serious is going on here.
	And CNN over and over again is at the heart of the fishy things that are happening.
	In 1990, 1991, when the Gulf War started, CNN would send out their raw feeds to their news affiliates, and on it there was clear blue screens on top of the roof of CNN Center in Atlanta, with their top reporters claiming they were in Israel under sarin nerve gas attack from Scuds.
	And later they had to admit, quietly, this is on record, we're going to show you some clips, That indeed, they were in Atlanta, Georgia, and that they were not being attacked by SCUD missiles with sarin gas.
	CBS News got caught scripting videos as well, and there's a lot of examples of this.
	So let's go ahead and look at those clips.
	Yeah.
	I'm starting to get real bothered by all this.
	Yes.
	You ready?
	Boy, I almost look stupid.
	Charles Jacobs, CNN, reporting live from Saudi Arabia.
	And that there are also firings in another city in Saudi Arabia.
	CNN's Carl Rochelle is here with me.
	He just came up.
	Carl, I know we can't be very specific in these restrictions, but within those parameters, what did you see?
	Well, what I said, I didn't see anything here.
	I looked very close to the bottom.
	There's a vapor trail coming from my right to my left and there's a cloud of something.
	It looks like it might have been on the floor as a cloud.
	I want to say, please put it in the gas please put it in the gas mask.
	There hasn't been any gas locked here.
	We can sound.
	You may smell some of the fumes from a missile exhaust or a lot.
	This is a rocket of cordyte, some sort of burning.
	We just heard a little bit of smoke just then.
	I'm not going to apologize for that.
	I'm going to get something from momentarily.
	Is there more spirit?
	Now, remember, that's only a small portion of hours of raw CNN feed.
	Back in the old days, they didn't scramble the big satellite feeds because they thought most people People didn't have a 12-foot dish to get it, but people did record that, and that's how they got caught with their pants down.
	Notice that blue screen in the background so they could project the Tel Aviv and Jerusalem skylines in the background.
	Coming up, we've got Anderson Cooper.
	Supposedly, it's Sandy Hook, and it's clearly blue screen.
	I've worked with Blue Screen for 17 years.
	We've got it right in there.
	We know what it looks like.
	We know what the anomalies look like.
	And we know what happens when you don't tune it properly.
	It's clearly Blue Screen.
	And you can draw from that what you want.
	That's coming up in a moment.
	So CNN's done it before.
	I have mainstream news articles here out of the Washington Post, out of the World Net Daily, where CNN had to admit that they had Army psychological warfare inside of their system Basically crafting the news.
	And then of course we have things like Operation Northwoods where in 1961 the Joint Chief came to Kennedy with Lenin's plan and said we want state shootings around America in crowded public places like movie theaters and things and on the street to blame the Soviets as a pretext for war with Cuba.
	And Kennedy said no.
	They had the plan for mass shootings before so we can't be attacked and others can't be attacked for questioning known liars who put on fake news.
	And questioning a government that's been caught running to stage shootings.
	And they didn't just plan to stage shootings.
	In the 60s, 70s, and 80s, this was declassified by the Italian government and their president and the head of their CIA a few years ago, that the U.S. government used terrorists to stage terror attacks, and NATO did this as well to blame their political opposition, be they left or right, similar to what we saw with Oklahoma City.
	Gladio.
	So look that up for yourself.
	I've also interviewed police officers that were involved in the rescue of Oklahoma City.
	Mr. Browning, who's in the award-winning film, The Noble Line, who were threatened by the FBI, and they talked about what they knew, with death.
	I was telling you more than once or twice by agents in the area that people like my wife and I would have ended up dead.
	But more along is what we knew to be true.
	Well, so you're a decorated Vietnam veteran, police officer, one of the heroes that responded when there could have been other bombs and was thought there were other bombs, and the FBI agents in the police office are telling you, do what you're told, or you and your wife are dead, and you're saying this on record here, sir.
	Yes, sir.
	What did they know about?
	federal agents inside finding the bombs in Oklahoma City.
	And it was Attorney General Holder, who later ran the false flag of Fast and Furious, who was Deputy Attorney General back in 1995, who ran the cover-up.
	And those emails have come out in different lawsuits that are available online, if you'd like to look those up.
	Go on and check everything I'm telling you.
	You're going to find out it's even worse than I'm saying.
	In fact, that's what I get criticized for, is not covering at all this piece of evidence, that piece of evidence.
	There's too many.
	I clearly believe from the evidence, children are really killed in Sandy Hook, and it's a real tragedy.
	But the fact that they're having people script things and the answers are being scripted is incontrovertible.
	We're going to get to some of that evidence right now.
	It's believed at this hour and it's been confirmed to ABC News by state police there in Connecticut that two shooters were initially believed involved in the mass shooting.
	One of those shooters now dead.
	What's not been confirmed is whether or not that gunman took his own life or whether or not there was something that ensued after authorities began arriving at the scene.
	I'm just going to hit a few of the big unanswered questions of Sandy Hook.
	The mainstream media keeps saying conspiracy theorists say there were multiple shooters.
	Nobody said that but a few poor five-year-olds who were traumatized.
	So we go and look, and there's countless adult witnesses.
	There's helicopter footage.
	There's police reports.
	There's video.
	There's local news accounts saying, oh, it was a tactical officer from a nearby jurisdiction who happened to be hanging out in the woods and wearing the same thing as what people said the shooters were wearing.
	Let's just go ahead and ignore that.
	And that's in the Newtown B and other publications.
	And again, we have the newscast saying other shooters and showing people being grabbed in the woods.
	But we're told we never saw that.
	Here's a clip.
	They did walk a guy out of the woods.
	I saw him walk a guy out earlier with handcuffs.
	He walked by us and said he didn't do it.
	It was a grown man.
	A grown man.
	Yeah, he's sitting in the front of the police car over there now.
	So, I mean, he didn't have a gun?
	No.
	I just had him handcuffed.
	And he walked by us and looked into parents' eyes and said, I didn't do it.
	How was he dressed?
	Camel, peanuts with a dark jacket.
	Roger.
	The guy reports that the teacher saw two shadows running past the building, past the gym, which would be rear... ...fire shooting.
	Yeah, we got him.
	We're coming at me, Dr. White.
	We're coming to the driveway, let's try.
	Thanks, this is what?
	One of the big issues out there that has people asking questions is Robby Barker, who reportedly lost...
	One of his daughters.
	And people see the photos out there where it looks like Obama's meeting with all three of his children and things like that.
	And when you watch the footage, I know grieving parents do strange things, but it looks like he's saying, okay, do I read off the card?
	He's laughing, and then he goes over and starts basically breaking down and crying.
	so let's show that club Johnny Parker My family is one of the family threats.
	They left the child yesterday, and the framing of a family next to school shooting here in Connecticut.
	- I have to touch this, okay?
	All I know is they're seizing on it.
	They staged Fast and Furious, the head of Gunners of America, I saw my own show, Larry Pratt, and they staged Fast and Furious.
	What is your take right now on this situation?
	What do you...
	uh...
	what i was interested in a political on the station and she did i was in my role all the usual suspects members on the strike we're all the points what did you got to tell you so we have to admit it it is something that our government is capable of because this is only twelve people and they were good for four hundred in fast and furious all i know is overall gun crimes going down So I'm just defending the Second Amendment.
	But people are pointing this out.
	I didn't cover it.
	Until last week, they had the Lone Star College gang-related shooting where three people were shot, thank God not killed.
	And CNN kept saying, we're not going to show you live feeds because of what you might see.
	We're going to show that in a moment.
	And I was watching the local KHOU and getting to see what people were actually saying.
	And so that's a big deal in news when they start deciding not to show you helicopter footage because of what you might see.
	Another school shooting.
	These are aerial pictures here in Harris County, Texas, as we have been watching the better part of this last hour.
	North Harris campus is on lockdown.
	This is an active situation.
	We are not showing you live pictures because...
	because...
	As a result, we are showing you delayed tape pictures as police, SWAT, FBI... This is the same CNN that staged gun attacks that their people were supposedly under with a blue screen.
	Now, ladies and gentlemen, the finale.
	I saw this footage where Anderson Cooper turns He's supposedly there at Sandy Hook in front of the memorial, and his whole forehead and nose blotters out.
	I've been working with Blue Screen again for 17 years.
	I know what it looks like.
	It's clearly Blue Screen.
	And I thought, that's got to be somebody's doctor to get to it.
	There's no way.
	We went to CNN, found a link where the whole interview had been posted.
	It's been removed.
	By the way, just like some of the earlier clips, like Robbie Parker, I forgot that.
	So I'm thinking, okay, they took it down.
	Let me go to archive.org, which is a respected group that puts the archives up.
	And I found it all unedited right there, exact same footage in high def.
	I'm going to show you a clip of that right now, full size, and then we'll enhance it and blow it up.
	Again, when we see these anomalous clips, we actually do our best to go to the source.
	And the best we can tell, they did post the entire interview after they did it on CNN.com, but it's been removed.
	But we went to Internet Archive, highly respected archive.org.
	This is not some, quote, conspiracy site.
	This is archive.org.
	They've got an unedited entire interview in 10-minute chunks.
	That's how they do it.
	So here it is at the very beginning of this chunk where his nose disappears and we have blue screen here.
	It's clearly blue screen.
	Is there anything else you want to say?
	I'm sure I do.
	And Anderson Cooper has got some explaining to do.
	Because I know a blue screen when I see it.
	I believe children died at Sandy Hook.
	And there are a lot of parents going through serious grief, so that can account for some of the strange behavior.
	Nothing can account for what happens to his nose.
	And this is CNN admittedly run by the Pentagon and PSYOPs, Washington Post, World Net Daily.
	This needs to be investigated.
	They're clearly using this to go after our guns.
	The government knows overall violent crime's down 49% in the last 20 years.
	They know more guns means less crime.
	So they're clearly being opportunistic.
	That's undoubtable.
	Something, though, is really starting to get suspicious here.
	I mean, I'm sick of it always being a conspiracy.
	We know it's a conspiracy that they're putting people on Prozac and stuff that makes them go out and do this.
	We know that's the real cause of some of these real shootings.
	It's at the root.
	But the fact that this whole thing can be staged is just mind-blowing.
	Tell us what you think.
	Great job, all the people out there at the crowdsourcing that are researching all these clips.
	No wonder CNN won't put out a live feed anymore.
	I mean, they are panicked because they know you're watching and I'm watching.
	Just like Kurt Haskell, a lawyer with his wife, with the underwear bomber a few Christmases ago.
	He saw the government getting him on the plane.
	He was the only guy to tell that story for a month and a half.
	And then on C-SPAN, the Undersecretary of State, Kennedy, admitted that they'd been ordered by an unnamed U.S. agency to help that patsy get on the plane.
	There have been numerous cases where our unilateral and uncoordinated revocation of the visa would have disrupted important investigations that were underway by one of our national security partners.
	They had the individual under investigation, and our revocation action would have disclosed U.S. government's interest in that individual and ended our colleagues' ability, such as the FBI, to pursue the case quietly and to identify terrorist plans and co-conspirators.
	The system scares you because they know I'm watching, you're watching.
	So you can't blame anybody for not believing known certified liars in the government and at CNN. It's that simple.
	Sorry, we don't trust you anymore.
	If you told us the sun came up in the morning, people would go out and check before they believed you.
	Al Shem signing off for F-O-Wars.com.
	Boy, I almost look stupid.
	Charles Jacobs, CNN, reporting live from Saudi Arabia.
	The End
	Ms. Karpova, the segment we just watched, the segment we just watched, is that also a typical setup for is that also a typical setup for
	It's a typical setup for a special report that you would report separately from the Alex Jones show, which is live.
	Can you expand on that a little bit, the idea of a special report?
	Well, a special report requires a lot more preparation.
	He would get the videos that he wants to show as part of the reports together.
	He would generally script the video, not work at work, but just copy points, and would have things laid out that he wanted to talk about.
	As opposed to the live show, he doesn't know what he's going to talk about until he does.
	What would you say is the proportion of special reports to live shows?
	I think 15 to 20% rough estimate.
	15 to 20% of the total work that he does is devoted to special reports versus live shows?
	Yes.
	Who would have worked with Alex on producing that segment?
	I'm assuming at that time it would be Rob Dew.
	And what would Rob have done?
	He would be the person behind the camera.
	He would have had to find the clips, edit the clips in the video, things like that.
	And what do you mean when you, so we don't get the wrong idea, what do you mean when you say edit the clips in the video?
	I mean, explain this.
	Well, you see Alex on camera, and then Alex says, let's go to this video.
	So you have to put the video in, and then Alex continues.
	But when Alex is recording the special report, he doesn't wait for the video to be played.
	He'll just say, here, let's go to this video, and then pretend like we just saw the video, because he already knows the video.
	And then the video editor has to cut the video into that space where he said, let's go to this video.
	Do the video editors change the content of the videos themselves?
	No.
	Would that even be possible?
	No, and that's not even the point of the videos.
	The point of the videos is to show what Alice is talking about.
	To prove the point that he's trying to make with the video he's referring to.
	Having watched that video and as the corporate representative, what do you think the point was that Alex was trying to make?
	Well, the point which he was trying to make was that there were a lot of reasons to suspect that Sammy Hook did not happen entirely as the official narrative presented.
	He let the audience see examples of why he personally doubts it and why other people are having questions as well.
	Did you hear Alex Jones say, I believe children definitely died at Sandy Hook?
	he did say that let's talk about blue screen what does that mean well I think the terms are interchangeable I think they used to use blue screen, now they just use green screen.
	But it's a background that is used while recording video or live streaming video where you can superimpose other background on.
	With certain video software manipulation, you can make your background be whatever you want it to be.
	If you were to walk into Infowars Studios right now and look at the desk Alex sits behind, would you actually see waving American flags?
	No.
	What would you see behind his desk?
	Well, we don't have blue or green screen, but we have TV monitors.
	Several TV monitors that make up the largest screen, and images are just projected on those monitors from another software in the computer to the control room.
	So as opposed to green screen, which would function how?
	I said rule seven of two.
	she's offering technical extra yeah the question is supposed to green screen which will function now I mean I don't know if she knows yeah make lace and background all move on here all right
	As the corporate representative for InfoWars... Officer...
	During this period
	that we've been watching videos from... ...what is the company's position as to what it was trying to do with its coverage of San Diego?
	Alex believed that there were children that were murdered at the school, but he questioned heavily the events of that day, the government involvement, and other lies that have been told and anomalies.
	Did every guest that Alex had at that time share that view, or were there some guests like Dr. James Tracy and Dr. Steve Pechenek that had a different view?
	Yes, both of those gentlemen were heavily on the theory that the entire event was theater.
	Children were actors, as well as the parents were actors.
	Does Alex try and, or does Infowars try to have a forum where everybody can voice their views and discuss them openly?
	Yes, Alex doesn't censor people and he's been criticized by those said people that he wouldn't just completely agree with them.
	Are you about to change directions?
	Yes.
	Then we're going to break for lunch.
	It's 11.59.
	We'll be back at Thank

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