Dark Journalist - Dark Journalist: Truth UFO Disclosure & Mellon Family Secrets! Exclusive Interview John W. Warner IV
Aired: 2021-05-29
Duration: 01:25:44


=== Deep History of UFO Disclosure (14:17) ===

[00:00:00]  Hello, everyone.
[00:00:01]  This is Dark Journalist.
[00:00:02]  Today we have a historic breakthrough for you an exclusive interview with John W. Warner IV, the son of Catherine Mellon of the Mellon banking family of Pittsburgh, and Senator John Warner III of Virginia, who sadly passed away on May 25th.
[00:00:18]  John is here with us to share the deep history of the Mellon family and his belief that covert forces are using his cousin, former defense intelligence official Chris Mellon, to promote a false UFO invasion scenario.
[00:00:33]  That will mislead the American public and the world.
[00:00:36]  Now, the media is playing along with the narrative that Chris Mellon and counterintelligence agent Lou Elizondo are whistleblowers looking for disclosure, when in fact, CIA operators are closely involved in directing the buildup of a UFO threat.
[00:00:51]  Chris writes an op ed piece for The Hill.
[00:00:55]  It says, I challenge the Pentagon to release more.
[00:00:58]  You are the Pentagon, Chris.
[00:01:00]  Yeah.
[00:01:01]  You know, you represent factions that don't want real disclosure.
[00:01:07]  Going at all.
[00:01:08]  What are they putting in place?
[00:01:10]  And how does the unknown history of the Mellon family fit into connecting the dots?
[00:01:15]  Let's go ask John W. Warner, the fourth.
[00:01:21]  John, it's great to have you with us.
[00:01:23]  Thanks for having me, Daniel.
[00:01:25]  I wanted to say that the Mellon family, of which you are a part, is in the news quite a bit right now because of Chris Mellon.
[00:01:36]  Who worked in defense intelligence for George W. Bush and President Clinton?
[00:01:42]  And he's part of this UFO, UAP disclosure operation.
[00:01:47]  Of course, he came through the TTSA coming out and saying, well, UFOs are threats and we need to get this out to the public that there's a threat out there.
[00:01:56]  What is going on?
[00:01:57]  And how does the Mellon family feel about Chris and the things that are going on with him right now?
[00:02:04]  Well, that's a difficult question, but I can only speak for the The melons I know, my cousins, a few cousins and family members who are somewhat awake as to some of the UFO reality, but they are not at the level where you and I are.
[00:02:22]  I've known Chris since 1973.
[00:02:25]  We're friends.
[00:02:27]  It's nothing personal, this is just business.
[00:02:29]  But I've been waiting five years for him to be more forthcoming about this.
[00:02:35]  We've had meetings together, we've discussed it.
[00:02:39]  And I begged him to let me help him.
[00:02:41]  But I think he thought I was too much towards the wild stuff, as he called it, you know.
[00:02:48]  And that real UFO disclosure, shall we say?
[00:02:52]  Yeah.
[00:02:53]  And, you know, I drew him a TR3B and I showed him how it worked, you know, plasma ring, you know, the nodes using, you know, powdered quartz and monochromic gold and plasma and torsion fields.
[00:03:05]  And he would have none of it.
[00:03:07]  He just stuck to his script.
[00:03:11]  And I got the feeling, you know, he wants to work from a narrow playbook.
[00:03:17]  I think he represents, he and Lou Elizondo represent a series of factions within the military corporate industrial complex, intelligence complex, that want some kind of disclosure, but not too much.
[00:03:31]  And as I told you earlier, it reminds me of a race car on a frozen lake.
[00:03:37]  They keep incrementally putting more power to the ground, but they're only going in circles.
[00:03:47]  My father and my wife and I agreed that I should at some point come forward and tell my story about the family, which, and then these are my opinions.
[00:03:55]  I don't speak for the Mellon family.
[00:03:57]  I speak for myself and a small group of people on certain things.
[00:04:03]  But we're not a big family.
[00:04:06]  There's only about 130 or 40 of us alive at any given time.
[00:04:11]  But I've been told by people that I've met over the decades retired admirals and generals and people in the Marines, people close to my dad and CIA, DIA people.
[00:04:24]  I mean, my wife worked for the CIA for many years.
[00:04:26]  The Mellon family always came up in meetings.
[00:04:29]  My uncle Tim Mellon owns Pan Am Systems, the railroad in New England, and he told me they haul classified cargo for the Intel community.
[00:04:39]  And I'll let your subscribers' imagination go wild on that one.
[00:04:45]  So there's a deep history there.
[00:04:47]  Yes.
[00:04:49]  The history that I'll start with my great grandfather.
[00:04:53]  There were four Mellon brothers a long time ago, but my great grandfather was Andrew Mellon.
[00:04:58]  Now, this guy was an oligarch and a robber baron, bar none.
[00:05:03]  He was Secretary of the Treasury under Harding and Hoover.
[00:05:06]  He was ambassador to the Court of St. James in 1931, a great friend of the British royal family, which my grandfather, Paul Mellon, was too, and my dad.
[00:05:16]  They both have KBEs.
[00:05:18]  I've met the Queen three times.
[00:05:20]  I don't know why.
[00:05:23]  And this Mellon history goes very deep.
[00:05:25]  And so, Andrew Mellon, he and his robber baron buddies, Carnegie and the DuPonts and Rockefellers and everybody, We're kind of in on the Great Depression.
[00:05:35]  They make money on the downside and the upside.
[00:05:39]  Typical robber baron stuff.
[00:05:41]  And so it's not nice history.
[00:05:44]  Andrew Mellon had intimate dealings with Halmar Schacht, who was Hitler's private banker.
[00:05:51]  He had intimate dealings with Sullivan and Cromwell on Wall Street, which is the Dulles brothers.
[00:05:58]  And my grandfather, Paul Mellon, was good friends with Alan Dulles.
[00:06:01]  They served in the OSS in World War II together.
[00:06:05]  And so, when I started digging into this 20 years ago, I also read Nick Cook's book, The Hunt for Zero Point.
[00:06:15]  And that floored me because when I was a young man in college at UVA, I was a historian, a military historian, Russian history.
[00:06:25]  And I started asking him about what you were doing in World War II.
[00:06:29]  And he had had a couple of martinis and they were lethal.
[00:06:34]  And he said, Oh, yeah, I worked with Alan Dulles, my brother in law.
[00:06:38]  David K.E. Bruce, who was OSS Station Chief of London, Alan Delsel Station Chief of Switzerland, and he knew General Marshall, Wild Bill Donovan, and Patton because he fox hunted with them in Middleburg, Virginia.
[00:06:52]  I have a picture of General Patton and Marshall with my granddad.
[00:06:56]  That's a close relationship.
[00:06:58]  Yes, he knew all the players.
[00:07:00]  So, you know, yes, his father was a robber baron, and, you know, Andrew Mellon was invested in DuPont's nylon for Navy ropes.
[00:07:10]  Mm hmm.
[00:07:11]  So, guess what?
[00:07:12]  He had a hand in getting made illegal hemp and marijuana.
[00:07:17]  Yeah.
[00:07:18]  Because now it's a strategic thing, you know, for Navy ropes, hemp ropes.
[00:07:22]  But also, you know, we don't want people, you know, smoking those jazz cigarettes.
[00:07:27]  And they don't like competition either.
[00:07:30]  That's right.
[00:07:31]  Andrew Miller also had a hand in putting fluoride in our drinking water.
[00:07:35]  Fluoride is a byproduct of the aluminum industry.
[00:07:38]  And my family, you know, Andrew Miller owned half of Alcoa aluminum.
[00:07:42]  Wow.
[00:07:44]  So, this is.
[00:07:45]  History I'm not proud of at all.
[00:07:48]  This is dark history.
[00:07:50]  And, but people need to understand more about the melons.
[00:07:54]  And I've been told by my people I've known over the decades here in DC that there's been 40 melons in the intel military intelligence business since World War II.
[00:08:06]  And that's a lot given the numbers in my family.
[00:08:11]  So, your grandfather comes across as kind of a mystery man.
[00:08:17]  You've told me there are some 10,000 secret documents relating to his work.
[00:08:22]  What was he like?
[00:08:23]  He was a very mild mannered, meek man, but he was very intellectual.
[00:08:29]  He was very cold, distant, and aloof.
[00:08:31]  But I got to know him over the years.
[00:08:36]  And he sat me down one day when I was in college.
[00:08:41]  I was probably 23 at the time.
[00:08:42]  I said, What were you doing with Patton?
[00:08:44]  Because I was a big fan of Patton.
[00:08:45]  I still am.
[00:08:47]  And he said, I was with Patton in Czechoslovakia in May and April 1945.
[00:08:52]  I said, That's interesting.
[00:08:54]  And he said, Yeah, we went into a hangar.
[00:08:56]  I think he said General Marshall, but I think it was Bruce, maybe Dulles was with him.
[00:09:05]  I can't remember who he said with him, but I know it was a few of Patton's generals.
[00:09:09]  Maybe Marshall, maybe some of the, I don't know.
[00:09:12]  But they said they walked into a hangar and they saw all the rocket works.
[00:09:15]  And, you know, he said he did mention something about high technology, maybe lasers and transistors.
[00:09:22]  And I thought, Well, that's weird.
[00:09:23]  I thought, We invented those.
[00:09:26]  No.
[00:09:27]  As J.P. Farrell says, you know, the chemical laser and transistors, you know, that's all Siemens and IG Farben.
[00:09:35]  And then my Paul Mellon said, you know, then I saw, you know, rocket engines, V2 rockets, and all these other things.
[00:09:42]  The television camera guided missiles he saw, which were very tail end of the war and didn't really work all that well, but they were getting there.
[00:09:52]  And then he said, I saw a disc shaped aircraft.
[00:09:56]  And I said, aha, it was at the Flugelrad.
[00:09:59]  The one with the BMW or Arado jet engines in a circle and it just spun out of control.
[00:10:06]  And he said, No, this one was much bigger.
[00:10:14]  Interesting.
[00:10:14]  So that's the Nazi flying saucer is the reference there.
[00:10:18]  Wow.
[00:10:18]  That was it.
[00:10:19]  I mean, it was time for lunch or dinner.
[00:10:21]  And I just thought, Oh, that's interesting.
[00:10:24]  I wonder what that was.
[00:10:25]  And I forgot all about it.
[00:10:28]  And in 1993, I was racing in California, and a friend of mine on my team said, You know, I know your dad, and my dad and I are myers of your dad.
[00:10:38]  And I said, Oh, thanks.
[00:10:39]  And he said, My dad worked in the aerospace industry in California, Lockheed Martin and others.
[00:10:46]  And I said, Oh, aren't those the ones doing the UFO stuff?
[00:10:49]  Because I had followed Stanton Friedman and I'd read books on, you know, some UFO books here and there.
[00:10:55]  And he said, Let me send you something on the internet that you should show to your father.
[00:11:00]  And I didn't have the internet, so I went home.
[00:11:03]  I got AOL dial up.
[00:11:04]  I was living in McLean, Virginia, and I got the MJ12 files.
[00:11:12]  And I was like, what the hell is this?
[00:11:14]  And so I looked up, Stanton Friedman said, well, they're probably genuine.
[00:11:17]  And I was like, oh, shit.
[00:11:20]  So I showed them to dad, and he said, oh, let me borrow these.
[00:11:24]  These are interesting.
[00:11:25]  Okay.
[00:11:26]  And a couple months go by, and I said, hey, hey, dude, what about the documents?
[00:11:32]  We're very close.
[00:11:34]  He took me all over the world with him.
[00:11:35]  I've been to every naval base.
[00:11:37]  I've been to, you know, Russia with, you know, to be Gorbachev and everything with him.
[00:11:41]  I've seen the Navy, I've seen the military at his side.
[00:11:47]  And I said, Look, from what I know, he knows I'm a sci fi fan, but he said, No, the Pentagon told me it was a hoax.
[00:12:00]  And I said, Okay, gloves are off, father to son.
[00:12:06]  I'm not going to tell anybody what the hell's going on here.
[00:12:09]  And we went back and forth.
[00:12:10]  And I know my dad better than anybody, and I knew he was waffling.
[00:12:14]  Because he hates lying.
[00:12:15]  He's probably the only politician out there who really hates lying, but he'll waffle.
[00:12:22]  And finally, he said, Look, I know you're interested in this, but don't go down this road.
[00:12:28]  You're not going to find what you want to find down this road.
[00:12:31]  This is national security stuff.
[00:12:33]  The people out west have it all under control, to my knowledge.
[00:12:37]  The military has this under intense classification.
[00:12:43]  You won't find anything out.
[00:12:44]  You need to just leave it alone, live your life.
[00:12:50]  And I just said, I cannot leave this alone.
[00:12:52]  This is the reality of our world.
[00:12:54]  People need to know.
[00:12:56]  And he knew no one would believe me.
[00:12:59]  And they didn't.
[00:12:59]  None of my friends or family believed anything to do with that.
[00:13:02]  None of them.
[00:13:03]  This is 1993.
[00:13:04]  I was a very young, naive 31.
[00:13:08]  And I admit that I really was.
[00:13:11]  I had been a Star Trek fan all my life, I followed the UFO movement a little bit, but this was beyond the pale.
[00:13:20]  And I said, well, what the hell they back engineered?
[00:13:25]  I didn't know that term then, but whatever it was, he said, I'm not sure.
[00:13:30]  But I need to preface this story for your fans.
[00:13:35]  When I was a little kid and he was Secretary of the Navy, this is 1974, he gave me a red parka from his trips to Antarctica.
[00:13:45]  And it said Operation Deep Freeze.
[00:13:48]  And I used to actually, when I was 12 years old with my friend, we would actually look at his top secret briefings on his desk.
[00:13:53]  He would just leave them out.
[00:13:55]  And they were talking about missile silos.
[00:13:57]  And, you know, I think, God, he went crazy after that.
[00:14:00]  He put them all in a safe after, God damn you, kids.
[00:14:03]  You know, the hell.
[00:14:05]  You know, and I'll never forget it.
[00:14:08]  I was 14.
[00:14:08]  I was in Switzerland with him.
[00:14:10]  He had a few drinks.
[00:14:11]  I think Liz Taylor and him had an argument one night.
[00:14:13]  And she believed in UFOs and ET.
[00:14:16]  He was married to Liz Taylor.

=== Operation Deep Freeze Secrets (16:15) ===

[00:14:17]  Yeah.
[00:14:18]  I had many conversations with her about it.
[00:14:20]  She's like, oh, yeah, I saw one with Eddie Fisher and I saw one with Burton, you know, out to sea.
[00:14:24]  And she was totally on board with that.
[00:14:27]  But dad always stuck to, you know, oh no, God would never do that where the children was.
[00:14:31]  But I, you know, he's bluffing.
[00:14:34]  But it was 1976.
[00:14:38]  I was in Switzerland.
[00:14:39]  It was nighttime.
[00:14:39]  He'd had a few drinks.
[00:14:41]  And I was only 14, but I was kind of a crafty little 14 year old.
[00:14:45]  I said, Come on, what can you tell me about Operation Deep Freeze?
[00:14:49]  Why are we down there?
[00:14:50]  Why have you been down there three times?
[00:14:54]  And he said, Well, you know, we're digging out sub bases with steam drills.
[00:14:59]  And there's, you know, we might have a few missile silos down there.
[00:15:03]  I said, well, okay, why Antarctica?
[00:15:05]  You know, why do you need them there?
[00:15:06]  It's halfway around the world.
[00:15:09]  And he looked up, it was a clear night, and he looked up, he pointed up, he said, space operations.
[00:15:14]  And that was the end of the conversation.
[00:15:19]  And I thought nothing of it.
[00:15:21]  But in 2004, after 9 11, you know, I read Nick Cook's book and then Igor Wartowski's book.
[00:15:28]  And I started to piece some of this together.
[00:15:31]  Was super weird.
[00:15:32]  And I thought, holy shit, this is getting too real for me.
[00:15:39]  And between what my grandfather told me, what I've learned from people who have told me about him, you know, oh, and your grandfather.
[00:15:45]  Now, Paul Mellon has four bronze stars at the CIA.
[00:15:50]  And what I've been told, and what my wife was told by others, was he has over 10,000 documents that remain classified.
[00:15:58]  Unbelievable.
[00:16:00]  And you better believe the Majestic 12 files are on the internal server.
[00:16:03]  You can't access them without the right authorization, but they.
[00:16:07]  They're there.
[00:16:10]  And my dad and I did two FOIA requests.
[00:16:14]  Both of them came back with three pieces of paper Fort Riley, Kansas, Cavalry, U.S. Army Cavalry, Paul Mellon Major, height, weight, serial number, and type of horse and saddle.
[00:16:27]  He was in charge of the saddlery.
[00:16:29]  And I said, This is ridiculous.
[00:16:31]  And my dad said, This is ridiculous.
[00:16:33]  You know, he still has a security clearance.
[00:16:35]  But of course, as you and I know, there's hundreds of Levels of security clearances.
[00:16:39]  Yeah.
[00:16:41]  And this is an aside, but I was doing some research on Admiral Rico Boda.
[00:16:49]  Okay.
[00:16:50]  He's an Australian, but he was in the United States Navy in the 30s and 40s, and I think the 50s.
[00:16:56]  And he was a naval aviator.
[00:16:59]  The only reason we have a photo of him is because this naval aviation site is a memorial to all the people involved in that wing or unit.
[00:17:08]  They have a picture of Boda.
[00:17:09]  And that's the only picture.
[00:17:11]  And I said, Can we do a FOIA request on Bodo?
[00:17:14]  He said, No problem.
[00:17:16]  Navy will give me anything I want.
[00:17:18]  First, they denied it that he even existed.
[00:17:22]  So my dad picked up the phone.
[00:17:24]  He says, I'm looking at a goddamn picture of Bodo right now.
[00:17:26]  And I'm here, you know, this Naval Aviation website.
[00:17:29]  The goddamn guy existed.
[00:17:30]  Well, guess what we got?
[00:17:32]  One page.
[00:17:34]  Height, weight, serial number, his unit, and that's that.
[00:17:38]  So now, Admiral Rico Bodo was mentioned in William Tompkins' book.
[00:17:44]  Now, William Tompkins mentions a circle of admirals that are behind him or were.
[00:17:51]  And my friends have identified three of them and they've said, those are stand up guys.
[00:17:57]  So that's all I wanted to say.
[00:17:58]  That's kind of.
[00:17:59]  It's really interesting.
[00:18:00]  He kind of comes out of the shadows there.
[00:18:04]  I don't know about the rest of William Tompkins' book, but that part, that's what we found out.
[00:18:10]  And my dad was really angry that they wouldn't tell him more about this guy.
[00:18:14]  And so this was years ago.
[00:18:15]  And so my dad got the idea that they're really holding back on a lot of this stuff.
[00:18:20]  He was starting to learn because even though he'd been the head of the Navy and he became a senator from a powerful state, he was starting to realize they're keeping a whole lot, even from people on my level.
[00:18:32]  Yeah.
[00:18:33]  I mean, you know, I asked him if he was a MAGIC member, majority for Joint Intelligence Committee.
[00:18:39]  And he said that they didn't call it that.
[00:18:43]  But he knew what I meant.
[00:18:44]  You know, he was.
[00:18:46]  He was on the Select Intel Committee and he was chairman of the Armed Services Committee.
[00:18:51]  And so he's like, I can't talk about a lot of that stuff, but yes, I was privy to several groups with above top secret information regarding the black budget and other things.
[00:19:02]  And so he has, Stephen Greer came out, I think, in 2010 with, you know, oh, I tried to ask Senator Warner about that.
[00:19:09]  He refused.
[00:19:11]  So my dad did confirm that.
[00:19:14]  Okay.
[00:19:15]  So.
[00:19:16]  Do you think your dad was concerned?
[00:19:19]  That the secrecy was corroding the country later in life.
[00:19:25]  Yes, there's no doubt.
[00:19:27]  And I said, the secrecy is a slow death knell for this nation because it's not the majority of people in the military services.
[00:19:38]  It's that 5% of guys who change uniforms five times a day that wear black hats and are in unacknowledged programs, special access programs, that are unconstitutional and illegally funded.
[00:19:53]  Right.
[00:19:54]  Now, he had a hard time believing some of that, but he did tell me that he's heard things like that.
[00:20:01]  And so I think, you know, my dad was a patriotic guy.
[00:20:04]  I think he towed the line.
[00:20:06]  You know, he was very respectful to all the admirals in his office, like Bobby Ray Inman.
[00:20:11]  I knew him back when I was a little kid in the Pentagon doing my homework.
[00:20:14]  And my parents were, of course.
[00:20:16]  I started going to the Pentagon in 1968 when I was six years old, when he was undersecretary of the Navy.
[00:20:21]  Yeah.
[00:20:22]  My father had been an advanced man and a good friend of President Nixon in both campaigns.
[00:20:26]  He was a speechwriter as well.
[00:20:29]  And so Nixon, who's a family friend, he used to come over to our house for dinner.
[00:20:32]  I mean, we used to go to the White House parties.
[00:20:35]  And all that.
[00:20:35]  I mean, he was a hero of mine when I was a little kid.
[00:20:39]  And so, you know, the whole John Trump Nixon thing is a real deal, as you've well pointed out in your work.
[00:20:49]  But, you know, I asked Bobby Ray Inman in my dad's office.
[00:20:53]  You know, he'd always pick up the phone and an admiral would call me and say, Yes, sir.
[00:20:56]  I'll get that done.
[00:20:57]  Don't you worry.
[00:20:58]  Those sons of bitches in the Senate will listen to me.
[00:21:00]  You know, I'll drag their ass through the cactus.
[00:21:03]  You know, and he would get things done for the Navy and Marines, which is why they.
[00:21:07]  He didn't want it, but they put his name not only on a submarine, but they put his name on the Marine Corps school, one of the buildings in the university there.
[00:21:15]  But I'll try not to go down too many tangents.
[00:21:23]  The background's really good, actually.
[00:21:25]  And I think hearing about your dad is important just to get his viewpoint on this.
[00:21:30]  You said that he was kind of supportive of you coming forward and exposing some of these things.
[00:21:34]  I find that interesting because after a career lived, In that environment, he realized, you know what, none of this is worth it unless we get through that wall of secrecy.
[00:21:45]  Well, my dad's record is public.
[00:21:47]  He was a politician, but he really did care about the American people and the people of Virginia very deeply.
[00:21:53]  I think the outpouring of grief since he's died has been very telling.
[00:21:58]  I mean, I didn't realize how many friends I had until like 200 emails.
[00:22:03]  And, you know, he really was that guy.
[00:22:08]  He was a genuine guy.
[00:22:10]  Yes, somewhat naive on some of this stuff, and perhaps not read in on most, but he really did care about people.
[00:22:21]  And through me, I think his knowledge level grew, but he started to get older as well.
[00:22:31]  And he was pretty good up to the end.
[00:22:33]  I mean, he was still pretty good.
[00:22:36]  He was a brilliant politician.
[00:22:38]  I'll give him that.
[00:22:41]  But yes, he did urge me.
[00:22:43]  He said, You need to do what you have to do.
[00:22:45]  I trust your judgment.
[00:22:47]  He raised me with a very strong ethical background.
[00:22:50]  He's like, Look, you're a wild man, you're a racing driver, you can party with your friends.
[00:22:54]  I understand that.
[00:22:55]  But never forget your ethical, you know, fundamental.
[00:23:00]  And my best friend, his father was the Bishop of Washington, John T. Walker.
[00:23:04]  And my friend Tommy and I, you know, we lived under the shadows of great fathers.
[00:23:10]  And we were wild boys, but we always had that moral center that was.
[00:23:15]  Rebar and concrete.
[00:23:17]  And that served me well through life.
[00:23:20]  Did he give you any advice in terms of dealing with Chris and the UFO invasion op?
[00:23:26]  He knows Chris.
[00:23:27]  He knew him for decades.
[00:23:30]  And I said, Look, it's nothing personal against Chris.
[00:23:32]  I like Chris, but he's not telling the whole truth.
[00:23:35]  He's lying by emission.
[00:23:36]  And I think in some cases, they're lying outright.
[00:23:39]  And he does not speak for the Mellon family, which unfortunately, he never said he did.
[00:23:44]  But I get emails from family members and other people and say, Why are the Mellons involved in national security cover up and UFOs?
[00:23:52]  And I'm like, Well, you wouldn't believe me if I told you.
[00:23:57]  But the impression is he does.
[00:24:00]  He does not speak for the melons I know, at least.
[00:24:04]  I'm sure there's the 10% that are very conservative, that work in business, law, aerospace, or what have you, banking, that are like, well, what's good for national security is good for our portfolios.
[00:24:20]  And so let's talk about Chris for a moment.
[00:24:25]  He's out there with Lou Elizondo, who is a former counterintelligence agent, worked for the CIA, worked for James Clapper, John Brennan.
[00:24:34]  Those types of guys.
[00:24:35]  He came out as, you know, his latest role is I'm a whistleblower.
[00:24:39]  I had to get out of the Pentagon and tell everyone about UFOs and all the rest, saying that people inside the Pentagon didn't take the subject seriously, which on the face of it sounds absurd because we know the Pentagon takes everything as a threat.
[00:24:53]  Elizondo and Mellon have now kind of come out of the crashed TTSA operation for the past few years where they did TV shows and all the rest of it.
[00:25:04]  But the two people that are coming forward, it seems, are kind of an odd couple.
[00:25:09]  You might say.
[00:25:10]  Chris Mellon from the Mellon banking family, background with George W. Bush intelligence in defense intelligence, and worked for Clinton in the late 90s.
[00:25:21]  What's going on with the combination of these two figures being the face of UAP UFO disclosure and the threat narrative?
[00:25:33]  In my view, you know, my friend, Captain Daniel Cross, he was ONI for 30 years.
[00:25:41]  He knows Lou.
[00:25:42]  I don't.
[00:25:43]  And we had several conversations, and he said, You need to steer clear of Louise Elizondo.
[00:25:50]  Your cousin and I understand, but this is a guy who is a U.S. Army counterintelligence officer that could talk the bark off a redwood tree.
[00:26:02]  I mean, I've never seen anybody talk about spinning on ice.
[00:26:06]  I've never seen anybody talk so much and say so little.
[00:26:11]  I mean, my hat's off.
[00:26:13]  To him.
[00:26:14]  He's got the gift.
[00:26:17]  I've known some counterintelligence types, you know, and they called me up and they were like, oh man, I thought I was good, but this guy, you know, and they are an odd couple.
[00:26:26]  And when I had my meeting with Chris, we were at my farm and we had a couple scotches, and he said, and I said, well, you know, I don't understand this whole Tom DeLong thing with you and Semivan and Put Off.
[00:26:38]  And he tried, Chris and Hal Put Off sent me an email and said, do you want to invest in Hal Put Off's?
[00:26:44]  Quantum underwater communication system.
[00:26:46]  And I said, no, doesn't the Navy already have that?
[00:26:52]  I mean, they've got quantum computing on the yin yang and zero point energy in their submarines and other ships.
[00:27:00]  Why wouldn't they have that?
[00:27:01]  And so that was very odd.
[00:27:03]  So I think Lou and Chris are a very odd couple.
[00:27:05]  It's like the posh Yale, Mellon deputy undersecretary of, I don't know, what the hell.
[00:27:15]  You know, Lou Elizondo, you know, an in country, you know, tough guy.
[00:27:20]  You know, yeah, I don't know if he was into the interrogation business, but you know, there's some rumors about that.
[00:27:26]  Um, but you know, I was told, you know, this guy, but you can just, I mean, you listen to him and he'll speak for two hours, and you're like, wow, there's two hours of my life down the drain.
[00:27:37]  He said nothing, and they talk a lot and says not a lot to this, but let me speak to this rubber tire issue that you know, hubcaps flying, and we think that was a threat.
[00:27:46]  You know, someone threw a hubcap off a roof, filmed it with an eight millimeter, but we take that very seriously, you know.
[00:27:53]  It's ridiculous.
[00:27:55]  And then Chris comes out recently on the Joe Rogan show and tries to debunk Bob Lazar of all people.
[00:28:02]  Now, Bob Lazar, by his own admission, he was a physicist and an engineer and said, Look, here's what I saw.
[00:28:08]  Here's how UFOs fly.
[00:28:10]  And that's it.
[00:28:11]  I don't know anything about the politics or Mars bases or moon bases.
[00:28:16]  I don't know anything about that.
[00:28:17]  It's just the hardware.
[00:28:18]  I was there in the hardware.
[00:28:18]  I did my job.
[00:28:19]  They blank slated the hell out of me.
[00:28:21]  And yada yada.
[00:28:23]  Have a nice day.
[00:28:24]  And Chris has to come out on the Joe Rogan show.
[00:28:26]  And debunk him?
[00:28:27]  There's a million other people, that's low hanging fruit.
[00:28:32]  They go on shows where the host, like George Knapp and I don't know, Richard Dolan, I appreciate Richard Dolan, you and I, his early work was foundational, but now he's trying to make friends with these guys, and it's like, no.
[00:28:47]  In my view, that's the wrong tactic.
[00:28:53]  Winston Churchill said it you can't negotiate with a tiger with your head in his.
[00:28:58]  Wow.
[00:29:00]  That's a really great point.
[00:29:01]  You cannot do that.
[00:29:03]  Well, you know, that says it for the entire UFO community, in fact, that, you know, getting more and more into this, and there's so many of them who are getting encircled and getting wrapped up in and entangled with this Elizondo TTSA, which is all about a threat.
[00:29:21]  There's aliens.
[00:29:22]  The UFOs are up there.
[00:29:23]  They're a threat.
[00:29:24]  And what are we going to do?
[00:29:26]  You know, I'm a whistleblower.
[00:29:27]  I'm coming out to say this, and all these people need to protect me.
[00:29:30]  I mean, it's ridiculous.
[00:29:32]  Well, I mean, can you imagine you or me or Greer or Linda Milton Howe or anybody debating Lou and Chris?
[00:29:39]  Forget it.
[00:29:40]  They will never do that.
[00:29:42]  No.
[00:29:43]  I've invited Lou.
[00:29:44]  We don't do much, and our belief systems are 100%.
[00:29:50]  Well, the problem is that their fundamental narrative story is so invented.
[00:29:56]  And the threat narrative is just the kind of the cherry on top of the whole thing.
[00:30:02]  What's interesting, it's interesting to me that you said that, though, because.
[00:30:06]  Very often, when people talk about the Elizondo thing, it's just the latest persona.
[00:30:11]  Because, you know, he came out originally as I'm disgruntled.
[00:30:15]  You know, my program ended in 2012, but I stayed five more years, supposedly, because, you know, I was supposed to be this disgruntled employee who left the government because I thought they weren't taking UFOs seriously.
[00:30:27]  But since that program ended in 2012, I hung around for five years.
[00:30:30]  That, first of all, didn't make any sense.

=== Scripted UFO Secrecy (14:55) ===

[00:30:32]  And then he did a lot of, and this is well documented by people like the Black Ball.
[00:30:37]  Where he said all kinds of inconsistent statements.
[00:30:40]  And then TTSA did all sorts of who are we going to put forward?
[00:30:43]  Are we going to use Harry Reid for this?
[00:30:45]  Are we going to use Elizonda?
[00:30:46]  Are we going to use Chris Mellon?
[00:30:48]  And finally, it seems after all the dust settled, the latest persona is that he's a whistleblower.
[00:30:53]  He's been done wrong.
[00:30:54]  And as we were talking about this Politico article today, he says now, oh, I can't have gainful employment because the government's against me.
[00:31:03]  He is the government.
[00:31:05]  Yeah.
[00:31:05]  I mean, it's, I don't, it certainly doesn't fool anyone in the disclosure movement, I hope.
[00:31:12]  The American people are, you know, asleep by design, ill educated by design, and ill informed by a corrupt media by design.
[00:31:22]  You know, it's a funny story.
[00:31:23]  This is back in the early 90s.
[00:31:26]  My dad and I were watching CNN, and the day before, they had really, oof, they had slammed him on something, and he was pissed.
[00:31:33]  And I said, and they were talking about something.
[00:31:35]  I said, Dad, they're lying.
[00:31:36]  You know, Admiral, somebody told us they're lying.
[00:31:38]  He said, Oh, for God's sake, that's their job.
[00:31:41]  They do nothing but lie.
[00:31:43]  You know, So, I knew 30 plus years ago that the media was just, you know, dog and pony show.
[00:31:49]  They talk about lying by emission.
[00:31:51]  They just, well, there's no UFOs, you know, there's only hubcaps, you know.
[00:31:57]  But to me, in my view, it seems like Lou and Chris are playing from a Pentagon, DIA, something, you name it, pick an alphabet agency, playbook.
[00:32:09]  And the last five years they've covered most of it.
[00:32:12]  Ah, tab 26.
[00:32:14]  Lou, it's time for you to go out, go rogue.
[00:32:17]  And And say, wait a minute, and say, yeah, just do your thing.
[00:32:23]  And it's like, it's time to do that.
[00:32:25]  Yeah.
[00:32:26]  And it's like, according to a script.
[00:32:30]  And I'm not alone.
[00:32:32]  Some of the people I've talked to here at DC, they're like, oh, yeah.
[00:32:36]  They're on a schedule.
[00:32:38]  This has been scripted, it's on a schedule.
[00:32:41]  These guys are, you know, they're not rogue.
[00:32:42]  It doesn't fool hardly anyone.
[00:32:44]  They're not on their own.
[00:32:45]  Chris writes an op ed piece for The Hill and says, I challenge the Pentagon to release more.
[00:32:52]  You are the Pentagon, Chris.
[00:32:54]  Yeah.
[00:32:55]  You know, you represent factions that don't want real disclosure going at all because they don't care about the UFOs and the tic tacs, you know, and the other things, which are Lockheed Martin.
[00:33:10]  You know, they'll just, what I think they're going for, and it's not too far from what you think, is they're creating space that's mostly empty, you know, but what they're doing is say, you know, in a couple of years, the Space Force will.
[00:33:26]  Declare, you know, ah, the triangle, black triangles, and the tic tacs, they're Lockheed Martin.
[00:33:32]  See, there's no ET, there's no, you know, nothing.
[00:33:35]  Go back to work, go back to school, have a nice day.
[00:33:38]  Right.
[00:33:39]  And I think that's kind of what they're going for.
[00:33:41]  They're going for not that they're disrupting the disclosure movement, which is growing by the day.
[00:33:48]  I've seen it grow over 30 years, I'm sure you have.
[00:33:51]  But they're trying to slow it down to this 50 year plan so that everyone can retire into the sunset without this, you know, The revealing of the dirty laundry.
[00:34:03]  And I'm not sure what 100% constitutes that, but you and I are both in agreement that there's drugs.
[00:34:11]  The CIA makes movies with Tom Cruise, ha ha ha, Scientologist.
[00:34:17]  And then banking fraud, and illegal weapons sales, amongst other things.
[00:34:28]  And there's a lot worse things in my playbook on that, but I'm not going to mention them.
[00:34:32]  That's the real disclosure.
[00:34:34]  That's what you're talking about.
[00:34:35]  And that's been wrapped up around the UFO secrecy.
[00:34:39]  The UFO back engineering technology, I'm sure a lot of that's come from crash UFOs.
[00:34:46]  But I wonder if the stories of UFOs just landing and somebody saying, here's the keys, what do I get?
[00:34:53]  Here's the keys to my UFO, you go to town.
[00:34:56]  I got a whole cargo load full of spare parts and stuff I've gathered all through the Klingon and Romulan Empire.
[00:35:03]  Hey, but what do I get?
[00:35:05]  And they're like, It's like a bazaar in Hattusa or Persepolis or even Baghdad.
[00:35:11]  What do they sell at a bazaar?
[00:35:12]  Spices, plants, food, heroin, chocolate.
[00:35:17]  This is actually a good point because your own view of what UFOs are is interesting here because you've looked into this a lot yourself, as you've said.
[00:35:26]  Your dad was in some capacity related to that magic group.
[00:35:32]  And we know the Melons, through their intelligence history, have some knowledge of this subject.
[00:35:37]  What do you think is going on actually with the UFO subject?
[00:35:41]  Well, let's go back to Paul Mellon.
[00:35:44]  Certainly, the Mellon family, we've been in the banking industry since the 1880s.
[00:35:51]  War is business, making of weapons, that's America's day job, is preparing for war.
[00:35:58]  I mean, our GDP is probably 10, 20 times what they tell us.
[00:36:02]  And we're part of that, as well as other committee of 300 families.
[00:36:06]  And I believe that these families, I've read several lists of people, but the Mellons are certainly in there.
[00:36:14]  And our access to the British royal family is very telling to me.
[00:36:20]  You know, I think that what's good for business is secrecy.
[00:36:25]  And what's not good for business is transparency.
[00:36:28]  It never has been, it never will be.
[00:36:31]  And so I think we're in the next 20 years, we're heading for the pinnacle of all this.
[00:36:36]  And it's going to be a mess for everyone.
[00:36:39]  It's going to be the biggest shit show you've ever seen.
[00:36:42]  For the black hats, the gray hats, the white hats, disclosure movement, the American people, everyone, it's going to be a mess.
[00:36:49]  Flaming pile of bonfire.
[00:36:52]  And it's not going to be happy times for anyone.
[00:36:55]  But I think Paul Mellon was, since his access to Alan Dulles, I sent you that CIA missive that was declassified.
[00:37:03]  Yeah, but they regret that now.
[00:37:08]  I think I met him as a young child.
[00:37:10]  I remember Dulles Airport, it being my favorite.
[00:37:12]  It's right near our farm, you know.
[00:37:15]  A lot of weird stuff.
[00:37:18]  My dad knew all three Kennedy brothers.
[00:37:20]  He went to law school with Bobby.
[00:37:22]  Paul Mellon knew the Kennedys.
[00:37:23]  Every summer at the beach house there in Cape Cod, we would have lunch with the Kennedys.
[00:37:28]  They were the nicest people.
[00:37:30]  So I don't know if my grandfather did that out of charity or whether or not it was the idea of keeping your enemies closer.
[00:37:39]  Because Paul Mellon was a staunch Republican.
[00:37:43]  And he and Nelson Rockefeller and other people funded the CIA and the NSA in the early days.
[00:37:48]  He told me that.
[00:37:49]  He was proud of that.
[00:37:51]  He said there was very little funding.
[00:37:52]  There was the Korean War, World War II was bankrupted us.
[00:37:55]  Congress had no appetite for any of that skullduggery.
[00:37:58]  But what are you going to do with MJ 12?
[00:38:00]  What are you going to do with Roosevelt's IPU under Doolittle?
[00:38:04]  What are you going to do with Wild Bill Donovan's OSS, which was definitely privy to the UFO file, World War II?
[00:38:11]  Absolutely.
[00:38:13]  They wanted the best minds possible to not only the Galen Ostfront Intelligence Organization was going to be playing ball with them, but they needed people that were well traveled and people like my grandfather who knew metaphysics and philosophy.
[00:38:26]  Thanks to Carl Jung.
[00:38:27]  And Mary Mellon knew Gertrude and she had read Steiner.
[00:38:33]  That's your grandmother.
[00:38:35]  Yeah.
[00:38:35]  So, I mean, how aren't we involved, the Mellon family?
[00:38:40]  I mean, it's just insane.
[00:38:43]  We're involved in the metaphysical side.
[00:38:46]  You know, Mary Mellon was a white hat.
[00:38:48]  That's for darn sure.
[00:38:50]  You know, my mother was a hippie.
[00:38:52]  She gave me UFOs and magazines to read in the 70s when I was a kid.
[00:38:56]  You know, she was protesting Vietnam.
[00:38:58]  My dad was secretary of the Navy in the Pentagon.
[00:39:01]  You know, she was outside with the protesters.
[00:39:03]  She, you know, she's like, don't trust the government, your dad.
[00:39:07]  Vietnam's a lie.
[00:39:08]  And she was right.
[00:39:09]  So, I mean, I've had talk about duality.
[00:39:12]  I've had this dualism in mind.
[00:39:15]  You've got these two threads going on because Mary Mellon, who died young from an asthma attack, she loved horses.
[00:39:27]  Fascinating woman.
[00:39:28]  And she has the connection, as you mentioned, with Gurdjieff and Carl Jung.
[00:39:34]  And she got Paul into Carl Jung, it seems like.
[00:39:38]  So she had a big impact there.
[00:39:40]  But when she, can we talk a little bit about her and her connections?
[00:39:44]  Sure.
[00:39:46]  If we look at her and we think, you know, how is she the mystical one?
[00:39:51]  It's kind of interesting when you think about that and her background getting into things like theosophy in the period in the mystery schools.
[00:39:59]  That seems to me, when she marries Paul, that's probably a pretty big influence in their lives.
[00:40:04]  Even the fact that she recruits him into getting these sessions with Jungian analysts, I think that's very interesting.
[00:40:12]  Well, they did it in Switzerland at the Eros conferences.
[00:40:17]  But when Paul was at Yale, he was very bookish.
[00:40:19]  He was also scroll and key.
[00:40:22]  Now, Skull and Bones and Scroll and Key are both linked to the Tula Society of Germany.
[00:40:27]  So you can do the math on that one.
[00:40:29]  So I think he was very metaphysical himself.
[00:40:33]  I think that's what they had in common.
[00:40:35]  Yes, horses, but come on.
[00:40:38]  What they had was a strong intellectual, metaphysical, and philosophical bond.
[00:40:43]  And so when they went to meet Carl Jung, I think they were both excited to do it.
[00:40:48]  And they met him in Switzerland.
[00:40:51]  He had to get an institute in Bavaria somewhere, some house.
[00:40:55]  So I think Paul and Mary were both privy to information regarding the Vril Society and the Tula Society, Germany.
[00:41:03]  That's my personal feeling, given the evidence that I've seen.
[00:41:08]  I think they were very interested.
[00:41:09]  And so was Carl Jung.
[00:41:11]  Was he a Tula?
[00:41:12]  I wonder.
[00:41:14]  Interesting.
[00:41:15]  I bet you dimes to donuts, Carl Jung was a Tula Society member.
[00:41:20]  I would bank on it.
[00:41:22]  At a certain point, they try to get Carl Jung to be a part of the OSS.
[00:41:28]  What do you think was going on there?
[00:41:30]  Well, I think the family story is that my grandfather and Alan Dulles and probably Mary all said, listen, you got to help us.
[00:41:40]  And Paul's joining the OSS, and while Bill Donovan's going to run it, and we're going to figure out all these things, and maybe after the war, we'll have disclosure of Foo Fighters.
[00:41:48]  Other German Nazi Bell technologies and free energy.
[00:41:51]  And Carl Jung was definitely on board with that.
[00:41:55]  And probably maybe my grandfather and definitely Mary.
[00:41:59]  But I think as the war progressed, my grandfather became more and more conservative.
[00:42:05]  And I think Dulles was more of an influence on it.
[00:42:08]  By the end of the war, they had this Foo Fighter issue.
[00:42:10]  They had the German Free Energy Project Paperclip.
[00:42:13]  He definitely was involved in that, you know, because the OSS was definitely involved with Paperclip after the war.
[00:42:21]  And I was told they had, you know, DC 6s long range, full of technology and paperwork and personnel.
[00:42:28]  The original Berlin airlift was Project Flaker Flip.
[00:42:33]  You see those DC 6s coming into Berlin airlift.
[00:42:36]  Imagine them going into Pilsen.
[00:42:38]  They refuel in Iceland, and man, they're anywhere on the east coast of the United States.
[00:42:43]  All they need is one refuel stop.
[00:42:46]  And so I think this would happen.
[00:42:48]  They probably ship the Bell, I don't know, by train with other technology.
[00:42:54]  To a port, and the Allies had the continent of Europe sucked in.
[00:42:59]  I think they did a sweetheart deal with all the Nazi scientists, paperclip guys.
[00:43:04]  I've heard there's 5,000 of them or more, not the 1,500 that were told.
[00:43:11]  Do you think there's something in there on the record about Young giving this group a warning in relation to Foo Fighters and other things?
[00:43:20]  Can you want to talk about that?
[00:43:22]  Yeah, I can't remember if I learned it from Farrell or someone or I read it, but it makes sense to me.
[00:43:30]  The word is, the story is that Carl Young in 47 briefed MJ 12.
[00:43:35]  It makes perfect sense to me.
[00:43:36]  You've got Hill and Keter, you've got Vannevar Burch and others.
[00:43:40]  And he said, Look, these food fighters, you have to understand this is what Gurdjieff, Steiner, Besant, Blavatsky, and all these Sufi mystics and all these mystery schools have been talking about this issue for millennia.
[00:43:56]  You've got to come to terms that this war you've been fighting is not only a proxy war, but it's probably a mass death ritual in the tradition of Babylon workings.
[00:44:10]  And you can imagine these scientists in general going, Oh, are you kidding me?
[00:44:14]  You know, what?
[00:44:16]  You know, and there's a quote by Young, and I don't have it, but it's in my book.
[00:44:20]  And it said, If you don't get control of this situation, both on the public and the military, it's going to get out of control, and the rudder will be removed from our grasp.
[00:44:32]  And he said, Our grasp, meaning humanity as a whole.
[00:44:37]  Amazing.
[00:44:37]  And that was prophetic.
[00:44:38]  And you can imagine MJ 12, they sort of, You know, had coffee and bourbon, fuck him.
[00:44:44]  You know, and when he was out of the room, they were like, ah, come on, you know, we'll clean all the technology we can, like the Germans did for weapons.
[00:44:52]  And, you know, a lot of people believed in the Cold War.
[00:44:55]  It was kind of cobbled up on the downloads, kind of this BS thing.
[00:44:59]  But I think in 47, the Russians definitely had aspirations.
[00:45:04]  But later on in the Cold War, they were always cooperating.
[00:45:06]  My dad, we discussed that in the 80s, you know, how on the deeper levels, there's not going to be a nuclear war, you know, most likely.
[00:45:15]  Because we're always communicating on lower, lower levels, which is above top secret levels.
[00:45:23]  And I think Farrell mentions that as well in his books.

=== Connecting Cold War Dots (03:47) ===

[00:45:28]  So, I mean, this is a complex, even in my family story, it's this convoluted, complex series of dots to connect.
[00:45:37]  But it took me decades to really come to terms with it myself.
[00:45:42]  And I thought, oh, I'm half insane anyway.
[00:45:44]  Maybe I'm just.
[00:45:46]  Exactly, you know, imagining a lot of this.
[00:45:48]  I have a first class imagination.
[00:45:49]  I'll admit that.
[00:45:50]  I mean, every writer needs to have that.
[00:45:52]  Yeah.
[00:45:53]  But this is such a weird, convoluted story.
[00:45:56]  If I wrote it out, people wouldn't believe it.
[00:45:59]  Well, you wrote a novel series called Little Anton.
[00:46:02]  Can you tell us about it?
[00:46:04]  Little Anton is mostly about the Grand Prix program.
[00:46:06]  But as I was in the middle, I was writing it, I was deeper into the disclosure movement and I was watching your stuff.
[00:46:12]  I read all of Farrell's books.
[00:46:14]  I read one and I said, I'm reading every single one before I finish this book.
[00:46:18]  Because I'd mentioned the Philosopher's Stone and other esoteric concepts, and my editor's crazy.
[00:46:26]  He's like, oh my God, I don't understand any of this, but you must know what you're doing, I hope.
[00:46:31]  And so I did weave some of those narratives in there German anti gravity, Walter Gerlach, nonlinear German physics, Sufi wisdom, and everything like that.
[00:46:42]  So it's an epic novel.
[00:46:44]  It's one story, but it's three separate books.
[00:46:47]  It's really interesting.
[00:46:49]  Your mom.
[00:46:50]  Comes up from time to time in these conversations, Catherine Mellon.
[00:46:56]  And she seems to have kind of an interesting influence on you in a way, in that she seems more open minded in general, as far as like she seems different than the rest of the Mellons in a sense.
[00:47:13]  No doubt.
[00:47:16]  She is very much her mother's daughter.
[00:47:20]  And I think that even though she died when my mother was 12, I think she gleaned a lot from her.
[00:47:25]  And so when the 60s happens, I mean, my parents loved each other dearly, and they still do.
[00:47:32]  But the consciousness, the world was expanding in the 60s.
[00:47:37]  She rode that wave and, you know, smoking pot.
[00:47:41]  And, you know, she would play the doors for us as kids, and we'd be dancing around with the Beatles and the doors.
[00:47:47]  My dad would be like, oh, that's jungle music, turn it off.
[00:47:50]  You know, and dad was very conservative, and he was involved with Vietnam, the Navy Department.
[00:47:53]  And so they made us, they did.
[00:47:57]  A couple very smart things with us kids at 6 30 p.m., they made us watch the CBS News every single night from the time I was four or five on to whenever, and they argued back and forth about Vietnam and everything.
[00:48:11]  So, I've always had this conservative father and this sort of hippie, free thinking mother, and uh, yeah, and she's not alone.
[00:48:22]  I've met a couple of the other metal melons, you know, that are more in that vein than conservative, and so when people think, you know, they say all these.
[00:48:31]  Committee of 300 families, they're all in cahoots with the cabal and the deep state.
[00:48:35]  And I'm like, I don't think so.
[00:48:37]  It's a huge generalization, right?
[00:48:39]  Yeah.
[00:48:40]  It's like most of these people are just like the rest of the American people.
[00:48:43]  They're either completely ignorant of what we're talking about, they're not interested that much.
[00:48:50]  And the ones that are are more like, well, you know, the philosophy and the metaphysics, and I'm sure the ET is, they're beautiful and they're loving.
[00:48:59]  You know, they're going to help us out.
[00:49:01]  And I think that's mostly true, but not.
[00:49:06]  You know, it's there are definitely regressives out there mucking around not only with our history but with our present.
[00:49:12]  And I think a lot of dirty deals and alliances have been made.

=== Pushing the Narrative Sideways (17:25) ===

[00:49:15]  It makes sense given the historical narrative.
[00:49:17]  If you look at the whole thing, you got to put the whole thing together.
[00:49:21]  It's not easy, but it's doable.
[00:49:25]  And then the dots connect a little more easily.
[00:49:29]  And so I think my mother, the best thing about her, other than buying me UFO books and Heinlein and Asimov and all the, you know, Dune.
[00:49:38]  She bought me when I was 11 years old.
[00:49:40]  It's a picture of me on my website.
[00:49:42]  I'm 10 years old and I'm at summer camp, and I have this towel.
[00:49:46]  I had Chariots of the Gods buried in there because my cabin counselor was a great guy.
[00:49:53]  I knew him well, but he's very religious.
[00:49:57]  He knew what that book was about.
[00:49:59]  And one kid had it and he ripped it in the head and said, This is against God.
[00:50:04]  So I was, you know, I hid it in a box, you know, behind the latrine and I'd read it behind a tree, you know.
[00:50:12]  I mean, that's what I had to do.
[00:50:14]  I didn't understand all of it at 11 or 10, really.
[00:50:17]  But in the later years, as I reread it, reread it, man.
[00:50:22]  And today, that's like UFO 101, as well as Bob Lazar and all that stuff.
[00:50:28]  That's all UFO 101 stuff.
[00:50:30]  Oh, my lab, you know, grays, abductions, genetics, that's 101 stuff.
[00:50:36]  You know, the higher stuff, higher dimensions, dimensional travel, you know, you know.
[00:50:43]  How big is the secret space program?
[00:50:45]  These are the things that people need to really, in my view.
[00:50:48]  Your dad may have given us a hint about the secret space program with his Antarctica comments there.
[00:50:56]  That's interesting.
[00:50:57]  I would like to say this that when you were at camp, there was someone else there with you at camp, and that was your cousin Chris.
[00:51:08]  And Chris ran, according to you, you were saying that you remember that he ran this UFO club.
[00:51:15]  He told me when we had our conversation that he started a UFO club in high school and college.
[00:51:22]  And I think his interest and my interest coincided.
[00:51:27]  We didn't see each other that much.
[00:51:28]  I knew his brother, Matthew.
[00:51:30]  He's a very nice man.
[00:51:34]  We had the same interest.
[00:51:36]  I think personally, I mean, I like Chris, but I just fundamentally go against him now 100%.
[00:51:45]  This is just enough.
[00:51:46]  The American people deserve much more transparency.
[00:51:49]  I know what they're hiding, some of it.
[00:51:52]  You know, it's the kind of thing where I think he and I would have been much aligned until, you know, I went off and became a pro racing driver and he went into the Defense Intelligence Agency or I don't know what his job was hooked up with, probably a lot of those agencies in the Pentagon.
[00:52:10]  And if I had to guess, I think they said, look, you know, your enthusiasms are right on target.
[00:52:16]  Here's a half inch or one inch briefing.
[00:52:20]  We got to keep this under wraps or people will panic and our enemies in Iran will come after us, Russia.
[00:52:27]  It's always Russia and China, you know.
[00:52:28]  Right.
[00:52:29]  And there is a grain of truth in all that, but it's been pumped up and exaggerated.
[00:52:34]  I mean, Russia's not going to attack us.
[00:52:36]  China's not going to attack us.
[00:52:38]  We're their biggest market.
[00:52:40]  It doesn't make sense.
[00:52:42]  Yeah.
[00:52:43]  And, you know, I think he was much more conservative than I was.
[00:52:47]  I was much, I was conservative as a young, but I had a wild side.
[00:52:50]  I was like, man, Star Trek, it's all true, you know.
[00:52:54]  And he was like, uh oh, you know, I think I'm going to be involved with this because.
[00:53:01]  You know, I've met these people and they truly believe they're doing the right thing.
[00:53:05]  They truly believe that, you know, I want to protect the American people from the darkness of all this.
[00:53:13]  The only way we can do that is to keep the lid on this and leak it out tiny, tiny tidbits.
[00:53:21]  And I wrote to him recently, I said, listen, you're going to create paradoxes in people's psyches, which are already going to be freaked out because this is going to blow up.
[00:53:32]  Yeah.
[00:53:32]  They're sitting on a giant pressure cooker, you know.
[00:53:36]  Huge biggest hydrogen bomb of information the world has ever known, and it's not going to end well for anyone involved.
[00:53:44]  And the American people they won't know what to believe or who to believe.
[00:53:49]  Now, a lot of people will never cotton to any of this stuff you and I are talking about, but the ones that do, they're you're going to create paradoxes in their psyches.
[00:53:59]  I mean, they're going to be stuck in bed, you know, licking windows, drooling on the floor, and I won't blame them one bit.
[00:54:06]  Because the secrecy of all this is toxic.
[00:54:12]  And the very few psychopaths have been ruling the roost in whatever compartments or factions, or, you know, and the rest of the people have been blackmailed and cajoled or kept out of the loop mostly.
[00:54:26]  Ignorance is bliss, you know, by these people.
[00:54:30]  And I think, you know, I think that's what you've been all about all these years with your shows.
[00:54:37]  Absolutely.
[00:54:38]  And it's fascinating when you're mentioning this about Chris because I think we're getting a profile here.
[00:54:43]  You know, this is a guy who comes out and we hear about all these things, you know, that he's in.
[00:54:49]  He's been associated with defense intelligence.
[00:54:51]  He has this kind of long resume.
[00:54:53]  And here he is, retired in his mid 60s, and he shows up as, you know, I'm a UAP threat, UFO threat disclosure guy.
[00:55:02]  And here I am with Elizondo, and everyone needs to know about this alien threat.
[00:55:07]  Who do you think is pulling him forward?
[00:55:09]  Because you know him, you've been friends with him for many years.
[00:55:13]  And I think he's even kind of blocked you out because he doesn't want to give you that honesty.
[00:55:18]  No, he doesn't.
[00:55:19]  And I think he very much believes in that one inch briefing he was given.
[00:55:25]  Why is with Elizondo?
[00:55:27]  I'm as befuddled as you are.
[00:55:30]  It's an odd couple at best.
[00:55:33]  Elizondo is this inherently untrustworthy person.
[00:55:36]  That's his job to lie.
[00:55:38]  I mean, you've said it a million times.
[00:55:41]  Yeah.
[00:55:42]  Why is Lou?
[00:55:43]  And now they're sort of separated now.
[00:55:47]  But my feeling is they're still connected.
[00:55:49]  They probably pick up the phone and do some pillow talk.
[00:55:52]  Gee whiz, those guys will never figure this one out.
[00:55:57]  And it's just bizarre the behavior.
[00:56:00]  I mean, I don't quite understand.
[00:56:04]  I know it's a group of factions within the Pentagon over there across the Potomac River.
[00:56:11]  I know, and some in the intel community, but they're all webbed together.
[00:56:18]  And so they know they have to do something.
[00:56:21]  But I think most of them are in the know who are read in.
[00:56:25]  They're just like, well, we're going to do something, but let's make it close to nothing as possible.
[00:56:31]  And again, I'll go back to this race car on ice.
[00:56:34]  They keep going faster, applying more power.
[00:56:36]  Every time Elizondo gets up there, well, I want to talk and be transparent, and I'm a whistleblower now, he's adding more gas, but they're only going faster in a circle.
[00:56:46]  They're not going forward, they're not going backward.
[00:56:50]  But they are pushing the narrative sideways.
[00:56:53]  As you could tell with Elizondo, he'll take a semi hardball question and go, Well, I can't speak to that, but let me tell you about my aunt in West Virginia who saw a UFO.
[00:57:03]  Well, my aunt is this very intelligent woman and she used to make me baked beans and hot dogs.
[00:57:06]  And by the way, I've seen a hot dog UFO with mustard.
[00:57:10]  And he starts going down this gravel road.
[00:57:15]  And soon it was like, What was the original question?
[00:57:19]  And everyone's forgot about it.
[00:57:20]  And it's a microcosm of what they're doing on a macro scale.
[00:57:26]  And so it's like, keep everyone confused, keep everyone going in a circle, keep pushing the narrative sideways.
[00:57:34]  You know, what did Richard Dolan do?
[00:57:35]  He had this live virtual thing that you had to pay for.
[00:57:39]  Yeah.
[00:57:40]  And it's like, I'm not paying for that.
[00:57:43]  You know, it's ridiculous.
[00:57:44]  You can't go to the Tiger and negotiate.
[00:57:48]  Right.
[00:57:48]  They're rolling out Lou.
[00:57:49]  And what's even worse than Lou rolling out to the mainstream media is that disclosure community, the alternative research people, That they should be compelled.
[00:58:02]  This is what they're trying to do to compel them to embrace Elizondo now as a victim, as a whistleblower, and everyone has to help him because he's the victim of the government when he is the government.
[00:58:13]  That's the real insidious counterintel aspect of this.
[00:58:17]  Well, it's almost hilarious.
[00:58:19]  I mean, you and I laugh about it.
[00:58:20]  I mean, it's just ridiculous.
[00:58:22]  But to the average person, it's not.
[00:58:25]  They're really looking for people to tell them the truth from the government or the military.
[00:58:30]  And it's like, you're not going to get that because there's just too much dirty laundry.
[00:58:36]  You're never going to get disclosure from anyone on Capitol Hill, certainly not Rubio and that clown show.
[00:58:44]  You know, that's, you know, and my dad, something my dad admitted.
[00:58:48]  He's like, it's like every senator and congressman is bought and paid for.
[00:58:53]  And that's why my dad aligned himself with the Navy and Marines because that's a bedrock foundation and nobody can mess with you.
[00:58:59]  No black hat can lean over your shoulder and go, you know, you need to vote this way.
[00:59:04]  Mm hmm.
[00:59:05]  Because he's got those people, he made those friendships and relationships back in the 70s in the Pentagon when he was Secretary of the Navy.
[00:59:12]  And I know a lot of those people.
[00:59:14]  And, you know, I think he was wise to have done that.
[00:59:19]  And, you know, he had the right alliances.
[00:59:23]  Elizondo running for Congress and Rubio.
[00:59:25]  I mean, UAP, you know, that's a silly Podesta Hillary Clinton thing, you know, psion.
[00:59:30]  Exactly.
[00:59:32]  And everyone, you know, my friends are like, what is a UAP?
[00:59:35]  What's the difference between a UFO?
[00:59:36]  And I said, well, it's just the secret sauce in the middle of the bun.
[00:59:40]  Yes.
[00:59:40]  Well, that's the marketing, right?
[00:59:42]  We're going to market this.
[00:59:44]  UFOs showed up in 2017.
[00:59:45]  Lou Elizondo told us about it.
[00:59:47]  TTSA brought it forward.
[00:59:49]  And guess what?
[00:59:50]  Chris Mellon, he's kind of the legitimate one from government who's going to come out and say, this is all real and Lou is real.
[00:59:58]  So if you could, I know that Lou and Chris watch the show when we talk about these subjects.
[01:00:05]  If Chris was watching right now, what would you like to say to him?
[01:00:13]  I'd like to say, you know, I know he's not a bad guy.
[01:00:18]  He doesn't come off to me that way.
[01:00:20]  I'm very sensitive to people's energies that way.
[01:00:26]  But I'd say to him, you know, and I did say to him in a letter, he said, I think they're lying to you on a massive scale.
[01:00:34]  You're the front man for these people lying, either by omission or outright, about what constitutes.
[01:00:41]  Uh, the UFO file for real because there's a giant section that's probably 10,000 pages that he's not privy to, and this gets into funding streams or the alliances or deals, you know, with either ET races or whatever that are unsavory at best.
[01:00:58]  And so, I think he's working out of a bit of uh, you know, ignorance of that.
[01:01:09]  I implore him.
[01:01:11]  I don't think he's ever going to watch this.
[01:01:13]  I wouldn't think he would lower his standards.
[01:01:15]  But, you know, that's nothing on you.
[01:01:18]  But, you know, and, you know, our friendship is probably done.
[01:01:24]  But, you know, now you understand why they picked a melon.
[01:01:29]  Yeah.
[01:01:29]  When I want to tell you and all your people, they just didn't pick this guy out of a hat.
[01:01:33]  You know, it's not just some banking family.
[01:01:36]  We're a banking family, all right.
[01:01:38]  But you need to dig into our history.
[01:01:41]  Grandfather Paul Mellon, Alan Dulles, and all that.
[01:01:44]  There's a damn good reason they picked a melon.
[01:01:47]  And it's ironic, here's another one telling you what it's all about.
[01:01:53]  I'm trying to think if I've left anything out.
[01:01:54]  Well, there's that one time, cigar landed in a field.
[01:02:00]  But they picked one for a reason because we have a history of being loyal to the national security state and the military and the IC.
[01:02:11]  Except for me.
[01:02:15]  I never would have joined that show.
[01:02:18]  I don't like wearing a coat tie.
[01:02:20]  I'm not into that.
[01:02:21]  And if anything was unconstitutional, I would not touch it with a thousand foot pole.
[01:02:27]  But I don't believe Chris thinks he's doing anything unconstitutional.
[01:02:31]  But unfortunately, I think he's hiding people who have done those things.
[01:02:36]  But as you know, it's amazing.
[01:02:38]  You can talk to an admiral or four star general, and they're like, Well, I know about this one gizmo, but they're ignorant of the rest.
[01:02:46]  Skreer talks about that with the Joint Chiefs.
[01:02:48]  They're like, Well, I know we've got Area 51, we're back engineering a free energy ice cream machine from a UFO, but that's all I know.
[01:02:58]  And it's like, How is it they do not know?
[01:03:04]  They just keep people, they omit the truth and they just talk.
[01:03:08]  You know, the news talks about nothing.
[01:03:10]  They let them specialize.
[01:03:12]  Yeah.
[01:03:13]  Oh, you know, NASCAR race and, you know, pro football's on.
[01:03:16]  And then they get four talking heads talking about nothing.
[01:03:19]  Right.
[01:03:20]  I mean, I'm preaching to the choir here, but it's just, it's really frustrating.
[01:03:25]  And, you know, but there you have it.
[01:03:28]  I mean, the forces behind.
[01:03:31]  Willy nilly, they pick people who are well vetted and have a family tradition with this kind of stuff.
[01:03:37]  Right.
[01:03:39]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:03:42]  His presence is very interesting in the middle of this, I have to say.
[01:03:48]  One of the things I'd like to point out is you know, you do, you make a really good point that there's two sides there in any family, even in some of these big, powerful families like what we're talking about.
[01:04:01]  Because when we think about somebody like Mary Mellon or Catherine Mellon, you know, they were coming from a totally different place.
[01:04:09]  And the people behind Chris Mellon.
[01:04:13]  And what he's been led into the public to represent, those people seem to be preparing a false alien invasion scenario, a false UFO threat.
[01:04:26]  Why are they creating a false UFO threat?
[01:04:30]  Well, all your viewers know of the Von Braun story.
[01:04:34]  He warned us about it.
[01:04:36]  It's a last ditch effort, in my view.
[01:04:41]  It's scraping the bottom of the barrel.
[01:04:43]  They'll use voice of God technology like they did in the Gulf War.
[01:04:46]  And all the Iraqi soldiers and tanks gave up.
[01:04:49]  Allah says, please do this.
[01:04:51]  They did.
[01:04:52]  I mean, they're going to pull out any holographic technology they can muster.
[01:04:58]  They'll put out some black triangles, flashing LED lights like it's Vegas.
[01:05:02]  And people will be confused and probably some people scared.
[01:05:05]  But I tend to believe now this is this 25 year thing.
[01:05:11]  They're 25 years behind the times.
[01:05:14]  25 years ago, that would have scared the living bejesus out of.
[01:05:17]  At a lot of people today, yeah.
[01:05:21]  I think their timing is off.
[01:05:23]  Yeah, no, it's not going to work.
[01:05:25]  I'll tell you one thing I support it in one area only.
[01:05:30]  Once they do it, the cat's out of the bag.
[01:05:32]  There's no more debate over anti gravity, or they're still debating anti gravity, which is pretty simple to do.
[01:05:40]  And whether or not there's ET or not, it would all of a sudden, most people in the world would be kind of on the same page.
[01:05:48]  You know, whether you know, they still people are like, Oh no, it's not in the Bible, I don't believe it, or you're a nut job.
[01:05:55]  And yeah, it's it, it would definitely even some of the playing field, although it would add a ton of confusion and probably some fear.
[01:06:06]  But I think after 9 11, which you know, 9 11 galvanized this country, we weren't scared, we were one people, right?
[01:06:14]  Pluribus unum, you know, these false flag things they'll do, they keep doing them.
[01:06:21]  They're only going to unite the American people more and more and more.
[01:06:25]  That's my view.
[01:06:28]  I think it'll scare a bunch of people, but I think half the country would be like, this is a crock of shit.
[01:06:34]  And they'll be, the 9 11, those conspiracies only keep growing.

=== Veterans and Occult Donations (16:41) ===

[01:06:41]  I think the American people have matured somewhat in 20 years since that.
[01:06:45]  That did not work.
[01:06:47]  That galvanized this country.
[01:06:48]  I saw it firsthand.
[01:06:51]  Nobody was afraid.
[01:06:52]  In 1939, when FDR, the word is FDR, and the Secret Service were involved with the CBS radio program, The War of the Worlds.
[01:07:02]  With Orson Welles.
[01:07:03]  Right.
[01:07:04]  And that was 1939.
[01:07:05]  I think Army G2 was in on that.
[01:07:07]  And they wanted to, you know, they had, there were UFO crashes in the 20s and 30s around the world.
[01:07:12]  And they were like, uh oh, we better test the American people.
[01:07:16]  Well, they reported that all these people in New Jersey panicked.
[01:07:19]  And it's like some did.
[01:07:21]  But what I've read in several sources is that most people didn't.
[01:07:25]  Most Americans got out on their porch with shotguns and said, bring it on.
[01:07:29]  You know, I'm not like, I'm not like some Martian telling me what to do, what for, you know.
[01:07:34]  They were ready to rock and roll.
[01:07:37]  And they were like, uh oh, hush it all up and skew it.
[01:07:40]  You know, sorry, it's just a radio show.
[01:07:43]  Orson Welles was in on it, he was too smart.
[01:07:47]  So they've tested us before.
[01:07:50]  But even in 1939, people were like less scared than they were ready to rock and roll with their weapons.
[01:07:58]  That is America.
[01:08:00]  I mean, God's guns and country.
[01:08:01]  You better believe it.
[01:08:03]  The state of Virginia, that's not going to scare anybody.
[01:08:06]  Let alone West Virginia, those guys will be ready, you know, they'll have searchlights in the skies and aircraft fire.
[01:08:13]  I mean, you know, I work with wounded veterans at my farm.
[01:08:19]  My wife and I, and my farm employees, we do it twice a year.
[01:08:22]  It's a black powder deer hunt.
[01:08:24]  And so for the last six years, I've worked with a lot of veterans and heard their stories.
[01:08:29]  And I've had a couple of special forces guys.
[01:08:32]  And they're like, I know who your dad is.
[01:08:35]  And we start talking about, I said, What can you tell me that's above top secret?
[01:08:39]  I'm somewhat knowledgeable.
[01:08:41]  And they're like, well, I can't tell you much, you know, but, you know, in the Gulf War and in the second Gulf War, you know, we saw some strange black things in the skies, you know, popping in and out, firing at the enemy.
[01:08:55]  And that's all, they'll say, that's all I say, and you didn't hear it from me.
[01:09:01]  And I think more than anything to work with someone with painful shrapnel and PTSD, I have chronic pain, I have a back full of titanium, you know, As a racing driver, I've been close to death, but nothing like what these guys and gals have been through.
[01:09:17]  We've had a woman two years in a row, and they are full of painful shrapnel.
[01:09:23]  And you and I both know the military.
[01:09:25]  And I said this to Chris that that med bed technology is real, they've had it for 30, 40 years.
[01:09:31]  They can cure anything with vibration, sound, color, and light.
[01:09:36]  Anything, and they will not let it out.
[01:09:39]  It's for black ops use only.
[01:09:41]  And I've told all those veterans, I'm going to try to work any way I can.
[01:09:46]  At least get that out for veterans.
[01:09:49]  These people, these black hats and these unacknowledged programs, they are unconscionable criminals.
[01:09:54]  Forget all the UFO stuff.
[01:09:56]  The technology we have that's a benefit of that UFO technology, we're clever too, but come on, could save all these young lives, as well as all the kids with cancer.
[01:10:11]  I mean, you've read it, by all accounts, Dr. Royal Reif and everything, they could have cured cancer 100 years ago.
[01:10:17]  Yeah.
[01:10:18]  No, they've suppressed it.
[01:10:20]  It's disgusting.
[01:10:22]  And, you know, I meet these young people, and it's just they're in tank tread, wheelchairs, in complete pain, but they want to be out in the woods.
[01:10:32]  They want to shoot a deer.
[01:10:34]  I want them to get them to go fishing, but they want to do this.
[01:10:36]  It's what they want to do.
[01:10:38]  And it just brings me to tears.
[01:10:41]  Amazing.
[01:10:42]  And that's why I'm here today.
[01:10:43]  I mean, above anything, it's those young men and women that I've met, that I've had the honor to meet.
[01:10:49]  And it makes me damn angry.
[01:10:51]  And it made my father angry, too.
[01:10:52]  Because he knew.
[01:10:54]  He's like, you're right, they do have something they won't let out.
[01:10:58]  Well, they're suppressing that.
[01:11:00]  And I mean, that brings us a lot into kind of the pharma takeover here because we've seen so much of that in the past year with the COVID crisis and everything else.
[01:11:13]  But before we get into that, I want to jump back to something that you said, which was about von Braun and his warning as far as the alien invasion is concerned.
[01:11:24]  It's interesting to me because.
[01:11:26]  Von Braun actually knew your family, and there's some evidence maybe that he even met Chris when he was a child.
[01:11:35]  Yes, during our conversation, Chris showed me a photo.
[01:11:39]  I believe it was, it might have been him, but another cousin when they were young boys with Von Braun.
[01:11:45]  Now, what I know from this gets into another Paul Mellon thing that I think your subscribers should know, everyone should know.
[01:11:53]  Not only was my grandfather knew Von Braun, I never met him.
[01:11:58]  I can't remember if I met Von Braun.
[01:12:00]  I've met a lot of People and presidents.
[01:12:03]  But I know the Mellon family of von Braun and maybe some of the other Germans have, there's some interpolinization going on there.
[01:12:11]  And I was actually surprised Christopher showed me the photo.
[01:12:15]  And, you know, people don't get this idea that von Braun's the good Nazi.
[01:12:18]  Yeah, maybe at the end.
[01:12:20]  These guys are all SS Nazis.
[01:12:21]  They had a Pinamuna, they had a death camp with slave labor.
[01:12:25]  Thank you, Hans Kamler.
[01:12:26]  You know, allow me to go off.
[01:12:34]  Oh, yeah.
[01:12:34]  Paul, I've been told by even my father and other people around town that Paul Mellon met with presidents and directors of sensational intelligence and other people at his farm in Upperfield, Virginia.
[01:12:47]  My grandfather had a jet strip and it was military length.
[01:12:51]  Nearby is Mount Weather Deep Underground Military Base, which, you know, my father told me he went down several levels and got on the high speed Mach 2 train.
[01:12:59]  He told me that during 9 11.
[01:13:01]  They whisked all the senators out to West Virginia, not to the Greenbrier, but to another location.
[01:13:08]  Paul Mellon met with these, you know, Ford, Nixon, Reagan, probably, you know, I don't know if Bush, but he was pretty old by then.
[01:13:17]  But why would they meet at his farm in secret?
[01:13:21]  And my dad did confirm that.
[01:13:23]  He doesn't know what they talked about.
[01:13:25]  Isn't that what Camp David is for?
[01:13:28]  Why do you need to, you know, and my grandfather had security at the Yin Yang.
[01:13:31]  He always hired, they were very nice.
[01:13:33]  When I was a kid, I loved them.
[01:13:34]  They were ex FBI men.
[01:13:36]  And when I was a teenager, they showed me they had MAC 10s and Thompson submachine guns in suitcases.
[01:13:41]  Wow.
[01:13:43]  Crowded.
[01:13:43]  I know.
[01:13:43]  I breached the security perimeter when I was a teenager once.
[01:13:46]  I was going to drag race a friend of mine on his airstrip, and they came down locked and loaded.
[01:13:50]  I was like, I got out on my knees.
[01:13:53]  I was like, no, it's me.
[01:13:56]  They had machine guns drawn.
[01:13:57]  Wow.
[01:13:58]  Even for a billionaire, that's a lot of firepower.
[01:14:00]  Yeah.
[01:14:01]  The 70s and 80s.
[01:14:02]  Sure, today, maybe.
[01:14:03]  But I mean, he had a ton of them.
[01:14:05]  And radios inside cars back before cell phones, radio telephones.
[01:14:10]  I used to, in his car, I would lift up and talk to the security guys.
[01:14:14]  I thought that was really cool.
[01:14:15]  He had a lot of security, and I know he met with presidents and DCIs.
[01:14:19]  Who else was in those meetings?
[01:14:20]  I don't know.
[01:14:22]  But people around town, high level military personnel, and my dad, they were like, oh, yeah.
[01:14:29]  There's a definite question mark there with your grandfather.
[01:14:32]  It's like the things that he was involved in, the 10,000 pages, the CIA connections, and helping set that up.
[01:14:41]  Not a lot of that's on the record.
[01:14:42]  I mean, you're putting a lot of it on the record today.
[01:14:44]  Yeah, you can look it up, but he was very close to Queen Elizabeth.
[01:14:48]  They had the horse racing thing in common, don't get me wrong.
[01:14:51]  Did they date the 1950s?
[01:14:53]  I don't know.
[01:14:55]  My grandfather's second wife was a pretty nasty piece of work.
[01:14:59]  That's funny.
[01:15:00]  Yeah.
[01:15:01]  So the royal family would stay with him in Upperfield, Virginia at the farm.
[01:15:07]  I mean, my mother remembers Ike staying there in the 50s when he was president.
[01:15:12]  I mean, and people are sending me new stuff that I haven't heard of every once in a while.
[01:15:19]  It's just like, okay, enough.
[01:15:22]  I get it.
[01:15:23]  I mean, the guy was not, this one picture I sent you from 1959 with Jackie Kennedy.
[01:15:27]  And Paul.
[01:15:28]  Yeah.
[01:15:29]  He looks like a Bond villain.
[01:15:30]  Yes.
[01:15:31]  And, you know, Ian Fleming was MI6.
[01:15:33]  He patterned all his Bond books about what was really going on.
[01:15:36]  Right.
[01:15:37]  You know, I mean, it's not funny.
[01:15:39]  It's really dirty business.
[01:15:42]  You know, you're talking about, you know, my grandfather was on the CFR, Jason Society, probably the trilateral.
[01:15:49]  I can't confirm that yet.
[01:15:51]  But he was certainly on the CFR.
[01:15:53]  And these groups of globalists, they let countries starve.
[01:15:57]  Mm hmm.
[01:15:58]  And then they come in with the Red Cross, oh, World Wildlife Fund.
[01:16:01]  We know what they're, they're corrupt.
[01:16:04]  They get one cent on the dollar, or maybe a half a cent.
[01:16:08]  Where's it all go?
[01:16:09]  Warlords, infrastructure.
[01:16:11]  I mean, the guy was, by virtue of the public things, Order of Orange Nassau.
[01:16:20]  Now that gets into the occult, plus Scroll and Key, the Atula Society.
[01:16:24]  I mean, my grandfather was into the occult with Mary before the war when he was at Yale.
[01:16:30]  He told me, I mean, I saw the books in his library.
[01:16:35]  I mean, you know, I couldn't piece all this together quite, but when I started watching you, I don't know, 10 years ago, when did you first start?
[01:16:43]  Yeah, that's about right.
[01:16:44]  Yeah.
[01:16:45]  And Greer stuff, and then, you know, my sister was involved, my sister Virginia was involved with the restoration of Manly P. Hall's library.
[01:16:53]  Yes.
[01:16:53]  And I told you that FDR put all of that library on microfiche in World War II in case of a Japanese invasion.
[01:17:00]  Unbelievable.
[01:17:02]  He wanted to preserve it.
[01:17:03]  He understood the value.
[01:17:05]  And my grandfather's library was full of those books.
[01:17:09]  I understand that he donated.
[01:17:11]  There's not the SS one that was hidden behind the.
[01:17:16]  What I found out was that he donated 300 of those.
[01:17:20]  There's an occult book wing at Yale, but Mellon donated the 300 books that he and his wife had put together for that library.
[01:17:30]  I mean, it's pretty deep.
[01:17:32]  It's pretty deep.
[01:17:33]  People don't believe me.
[01:17:34]  And I'm like, Well, it's on the record, you know, the Bollingen Foundation, which Paul dissolved into the Andrew Miller Foundation in 1963.
[01:17:45]  Personally, I think they dissolved the Bollingen Foundation because it was too much of the truth, the esoteric truth of the world at a time when they whacked Kennedy.
[01:17:55]  And my grandfather must have known about it.
[01:17:58]  He knew John Kennedy, he knew Alan Dulles.
[01:18:01]  He's a Republican, probably close to MJ 12, helped finance the.
[01:18:08]  I'm going to err on that side as far as what his intentions were.
[01:18:11]  But he certainly, every summer, Jackie and the kids and other candidates would come to his beach house.
[01:18:16]  I mean, he would cold court at this beach house.
[01:18:19]  I think I met Alan Dulles there.
[01:18:21]  I mean, other people would come, shadowy figures.
[01:18:25]  And God, I remember these people growing up.
[01:18:28]  I had first level access.
[01:18:32]  It was just a lot of this stuff for me is osmosis.
[01:18:38]  I'm just sitting in my dad's office for hours watching the Admirals and Bobby Ray Inman and a couple spooks, and they're all going, oh, what do we do with this hull technology?
[01:18:47]  Something like that.
[01:18:48]  I mean, it's just.
[01:18:51]  It gets into your psychology.
[01:18:52]  It's part of your everyday life.
[01:18:56]  Most of my friends are just like, Yeah, you're making that up.
[01:19:00]  And nobody wants to hear it.
[01:19:02]  Nobody wants to hear this stuff.
[01:19:05]  A lot of people, not your subscribers, not the disclosure movement, the regular people of America, I don't know about foreign countries, but a lot of it is not only cognitive dissonance, it's they don't.
[01:19:18]  I had a friend who said, I'm sure you're right, but I don't want to know.
[01:19:23]  Ignorance is bliss.
[01:19:25]  They don't want to know.
[01:19:27]  They don't want to put the God.
[01:19:29]  You actually said that they're in a kind of like violent denial about it.
[01:19:34]  Yeah.
[01:19:35]  One of my friends said, if you keep harping on this, I'm going to hit you with a baseball bat.
[01:19:39]  I think you're serious.
[01:19:52]  We've got to try to piece all this stuff together, the bigger picture.
[01:19:56]  And it is coming together.
[01:19:58]  It really is.
[01:19:59]  It's not pretty, but, you know, it's, you know, I mean, you know, I urge Chris and Lou to, you know, I wish they would have come to Jesus moment.
[01:20:10]  I mean, you know, this stuff that they're hiding or protecting, it's just, they're going to be fall guys.
[01:20:19]  And that's the saddest thing.
[01:20:20]  You know, I don't know Lou, but anyone.
[01:20:21]  I don't want to see my cousin vilified.
[01:20:24]  I mean, you know, the American people will be very angry someday and they'll come after all of us, maybe.
[01:20:29]  All of us, committee of 300 family members.
[01:20:31]  I mean, who can blame them?
[01:20:34]  But there are a few of us out there trying to do the right thing.
[01:20:38]  Absolutely.
[01:20:38]  Trying to earn all those portfolios, you know, and not try to enrich ourselves more.
[01:20:45]  There are a lot of those people who are very generous and charitable people.
[01:20:48]  They sadly think foundations are legit.
[01:20:52]  That's true.
[01:20:52]  That's sad as part of this.
[01:20:54]  I try, no one believes me.
[01:20:56]  I say, look up Catherine Austin Fitz.
[01:20:59]  These big charities, Andrew Mellon Foundation, don't give to that.
[01:21:02]  A lot of that money is, they think I'm crazy.
[01:21:05]  I mean, that's amazing.
[01:21:06]  That's amazing.
[01:21:07]  That's really an education issue because you need to become educated about that.
[01:21:11]  And I agree with you that Catherine's work is really a good way to go into that because she understands the money flows.
[01:21:18]  She understands that background with the foundations.
[01:21:22]  So that's a big one.
[01:21:23]  I'm glad you mentioned that, actually.
[01:21:25]  Yeah, because wealthy people, by and large, that's how they give to charitable.
[01:21:29]  And they are, I think the people I've known are very generous, for sure.
[01:21:35]  But remember, when my grandfather and his father donated those national galleries on Constitution Avenue, you know, that's a good thing for the people of America, but it's also putting a gold wreath on your head and saying, look what a great guy I am.
[01:21:49]  Right.
[01:21:50]  You know, Reagan and Bush both gave my grandfather medals for all his philanthropic work.
[01:21:58]  And I'm like, now I think I understand how that works.
[01:22:01]  They're like, Awards are given out to people that have done their bidding, the deep state and other people.
[01:22:07]  And they're like, you know, even if they realize what they've done, you know, what do you do?
[01:22:13]  You know, you've done this great thing and people think you're a great guy.
[01:22:16]  And I can't tell you how many people, oh, your grandfather was just a wonderful, generous person.
[01:22:22]  And I'm like, yes, but guess what?
[01:22:27]  What else he was into?
[01:22:28]  You know, they just look at me in a blank stare.
[01:22:31]  But that's.
[01:22:32]  The National Galleries of Art.
[01:22:34]  That was a good thing for them to do, but it's also a self serving.
[01:22:38]  It's interesting.
[01:22:39]  It's like a philanthropic thread that's there.
[01:22:43]  And they understand that.
[01:22:44]  There's like a foundation of enhancing the culture, art, music, and all these things.
[01:22:50]  And that's good, actually.
[01:22:52]  That's fantastic.
[01:22:53]  And they do make a difference, but it's linked in with this other thing.
[01:22:57]  So it's almost like I get this really good public image from doing this, but behind the scenes, I've been involved in very nefarious stuff.
[01:23:08]  Yeah, it's, you know, unfortunately, if you back to metaphysics, it's our own duality.
[01:23:14]  I struggle with mine.
[01:23:16]  You know, it's like, oh, I've done all this horrible stuff.
[01:23:19]  Well, that's karma.

=== Life Behind the Public Image (02:21) ===

[01:23:22]  I better do something good in my lifetime to make up for all that.
[01:23:26]  And I think Paul Mellon, you know, he's very distant and seemed very depressed a lot of times.
[01:23:32]  And I wonder if, you know, he had that.
[01:23:36]  Some ethics, but you know, because of he believed in national security and the Russian threat or whatever it was, and he was like, Well, I had to do what I had to do, but I'm not happy about it.
[01:23:47]  I think, you know, my mom said, you know, one time that he was a different person after they assassinated Ken.
[01:23:56]  So I think maybe, maybe he had a moment where he's like, Jesus, I've been involved with the worst people.
[01:24:04]  And now they've killed.
[01:24:07]  But I don't know.
[01:24:08]  Maybe he knew about it.
[01:24:10]  Well, he had the friendship with Dulles.
[01:24:14]  If you're pals with Alan Dulles, I'm sorry.
[01:24:16]  That's the worst man in American history, just about.
[01:24:20]  I think.
[01:24:20]  Who's worse?
[01:24:21]  I don't know.
[01:24:22]  Yeah, I mean, it's just fascinating in that sense, that connection.
[01:24:28]  But it's interesting what she says, too, because we know that there is this relationship with the Melons and the Kennedys, and maybe they were disturbed genuinely by the whole thing.
[01:24:38]  It could be interesting.
[01:24:39]  You know, I mean, people do a lot of very salute the flag, very, very neocon deeds and things.
[01:24:47]  And then later on in retired life, they're like, oh, shit, what did I do?
[01:24:51]  Yeah.
[01:24:51]  You know, I mean, Happens to a lot of us.
[01:24:54]  I mean, I'm not proud of some of the things I've done in my life.
[01:24:56]  It's like, oh, such an idiot.
[01:24:59]  But, you know, it's something we have to come to terms with.
[01:25:03]  And it's part of who we are fundamentally.
[01:25:07]  I mean, there'll be no light without the darkness for contrast.
[01:25:11]  Absolutely.
[01:25:12]  John, incredible revelations.
[01:25:14]  And we're going to discover just how deep that darkness goes when we continue our deep historic discussion on the secret history of the Mellon family and the rumblings we keep hearing of UFO disclosure and the UAP task force report.
[01:25:27]  Report, along with the covert forces creating the headlines.
[01:25:31]  We'll have part two available soon.
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