Dark Journalist - DARK JOURNALIST X-SERIES 48: JG BENNETT GURDJIEFF MYSTERY SCHOOL INITIATE!
Aired: 2019-03-02
Duration: 02:43:56


=== Live Stream Introduction (14:24) ===

[00:00:04]  And we are live.
[00:00:05]  This is Dark Journalist.
[00:00:06]  It's fantastic to be here.
[00:00:08]  It's a great crowd already.
[00:00:10]  And we're here for episode 48 of the X series.
[00:00:16]  Hang on just a second.
[00:00:18]  I'm joined by the lovely Olivia.
[00:00:20]  Hi, everybody.
[00:00:21]  So this is going to be a very special episode, and we're going to have some special announcements with it also.
[00:00:27]  But in this episode, we're going to go deep into the mystery school tradition of the Gurdjieff Fourth Way School through the figure of J.G. Bennett.
[00:00:35]  Now, J.G. Bennett really.
[00:00:39]  You know, he's really the last in the lineage of the true Gurdjieff students.
[00:00:43]  And he was developing and working with the Gurdjieff methods all the way through the 1970s.
[00:00:49]  So he's sort of the most someone who came from the direct lineage of working first with Gurdjieff, then with Ospensky for over two decades, and then going back to work with Gurdjieff for a couple of years before the end of his life.
[00:01:02]  And, you know, the mystery of the Fourth Way Schools and the story of Gurdjieff and the Sarmun Brotherhood give us that link directly to the mystery schools.
[00:01:14]  And the great teachings that they had kept hidden, and how they sent these people out into the world through the figures of Rudolf Steiner and Helena Blavatsky, and then eventually Gurdjieff and people like Edgar Cayce.
[00:01:30]  And this forms a true tradition of Mystery School influence in the public.
[00:01:35]  That is, here are the public versions of the Mystery School teachings that they felt compelled to bring out to us in this period when we were unleashing these great technologies.
[00:01:46]  Now, One of the things I think that when we look at J.G. Bennett, we can see that his life was largely overshadowed by Gurdjieff and Ospensky.
[00:01:56]  But a couple of things I'm going to bring out in this episode are other things that he did also, including working with Pax Suba and the Subud method of healing, which is very, very unusual and very controversial.
[00:02:11]  But in all of his efforts, I think we'll see in J.G. Bennett someone who was trying very hard to get to the core.
[00:02:20]  Of what the meaning of life was.
[00:02:22]  And he had the great luxury of meeting some of the best people and some of the best scholars and best philosophers and putting a great deal of himself into it.
[00:02:32]  And his experiences, when you look back over his life, are largely as a student.
[00:02:39]  And he never claimed to be a teacher as such.
[00:02:41]  But we can sort of learn so much through his example because, in fact, we are Bennett in a sense, and that, you know, we have to think of it that way, which is Bennett was the person who went into these.
[00:02:53]  Teachings and tried to learn from them, tried from direct experience.
[00:02:56]  And both Ospensky and Gurdjieff tried to use him for different reasons because they saw the great talent in him and they saw that he was an excellent spokesperson.
[00:03:07]  And one of the things I want to say about Bennett, who I don't think is really as well celebrated as he ought to be, but he's certainly incredibly influential.
[00:03:17]  And as the last true thread of the mystery schools into the 1970s from the Sarmoon Brotherhood tradition, He represents a very important link.
[00:03:27]  We have to understand where that thread goes.
[00:03:31]  So, we've been studying the 19th century version of anthroposophy, theosophy, and then getting into the early 20th century with these movements, and then looking at the Casey work and these different branches of the mystery schools coming into that 20th century tradition.
[00:03:49]  But then, often after that, it's a lot of spinoffs, really, and you get sort of other levels of things like Alice Bailey with.
[00:03:56]  Theosophy and other traditions underneath it, and it seems to me it gets more and more diluted.
[00:04:02]  What I think is important about Bennett is that coming in with the Gurdjieff teachings and with the Uspensky work into the 70s gives us a snapshot.
[00:04:15]  It's coming more into the modern world.
[00:04:16]  He's dealing with more modern problems.
[00:04:19]  We're not in World War I, World War II.
[00:04:20]  We're getting into things that now are over 40 years old, but it still gives us a little more reflection of the modern world and how they were dealing with it from the direct descendants of the Gurdjieff.
[00:04:33]  Work and I think that link with Bennett is important, and not just from a point of view that he carried their torch, but that he had developed something in himself that by working with them that helps with the transmission and that transmittal of that spiritual action that they were achieving.
[00:04:54]  It's a very complex process, it's a psychological process, it's a psycho spiritual process, and it gets into a lot of areas that the Mystery School.
[00:05:04]  Touch upon.
[00:05:05]  But one thing that's very unique about the Fourth Way Schools under Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, and Bennett's umbrella is they don't go deep for the kind of mystical side with reincarnation and ascended masters and things of this nature.
[00:05:22]  What they do is they work with this idea that there are these masters of wisdom, but that they are transmitting a tradition down through society and helping.
[00:05:35]  Culture move based on these principles.
[00:05:37]  So, I think we're looking at something quite fascinating there.
[00:05:41]  A few things I want to mention before we dive into this.
[00:05:44]  And I'm very excited about this because I have to tell you that Bennett has long been one of my great personal interests because knowing the Aspensky Gurdjieff work the way that I do, we have to really understand that Bennett had to really go through the personal struggle to achieve something by working with these people because they were very intense people.
[00:06:04]  And so, to have that track record of over three decades of working with them.
[00:06:08]  Is off the charts.
[00:06:09]  And we're going to see that some of the very interesting and amusing observations, for example, that Gurdjieff made about Bennett is that he said his chief feature was that he was always starting something.
[00:06:20]  And how many people in life do we know who are like that?
[00:06:22]  But we'll see as we go through Bennett's life that he just kept starting these different movements and getting into different things.
[00:06:28]  And by 1973, he had rejoined the Catholic Church.
[00:06:32]  So we can see this is quite an interesting circle that we have.
[00:06:36]  And I'm hoping to touch upon Elizabeth Bennett, his wife, as well, because One thing I have to say about so many of these leaders is that the women who were working around these mystery school teachings don't always get the, I think it's just the nature of the times, they don't always get the correct attention paid to their incredible efforts.
[00:07:01]  And if you look at Elizabeth Bennett, she was the one setting up so many of the movements after Gurdjieff and Spensky died with Bennett and carried on his legacy after he died.
[00:07:10]  So she's somebody I think we need to.
[00:07:12]  Pay a great deal of attention to.
[00:07:15]  Now, before we get started, I want to mention something, which is that we have a series of public events coming up this year, and they are all going to be mind blowers.
[00:07:25]  I've been working on them quietly in the background over the past month, and the first one that I'm very excited about, which I can announce tonight, is a special event here in Cambridge that we're going to be doing with Graham Hancock.
[00:07:39]  And it is all about his new book, America Before.
[00:07:43]  The key to Earth's lost civilization.
[00:07:46]  So, we are going to have a couple of hours of intimate conversation with Graham Hancock.
[00:07:50]  And of course, I have an interview up there with Graham Hancock on Magicians of the Gods about this whole kind of Atlantean background and the comet strike and the complete sort of what he calls a society or a culture with amnesia, where we lost this connection with this advanced society back in the day.
[00:08:14]  And this is something where I think we can really bring forth so many new pieces to the puzzle with Graham's work.
[00:08:21]  And this one focusing on ancient America is so important.
[00:08:24]  Because he brings forward the scientific evidence on one hand that yes, this culture was here and was wiped out, but also what was the legacy of this culture and how advanced was this culture.
[00:08:34]  Now, anyone who's been in the alternative research field or even in the mainstream knows that Graham's a best selling author who has, you know, since the early 90s with his original bestseller, Fingerprints of the Gods, gone so deeply against the grain for what academia will allow in terms of archaeological thought.
[00:08:55]  Anthropological thought.
[00:08:58]  He certainly is somebody who's given us a great gift of three decades of incredible effort, and I couldn't be happier that he's going to be joining us.
[00:09:05]  And boy, is that going to be something else.
[00:09:09]  The tickets are flying off, and Olivia, I should actually give you this link to post.
[00:09:14]  So I'm going to do this live.
[00:09:15]  So if you want to go to the event, the tickets are still available, not many.
[00:09:22]  It's darkjournalist.com forward slash event.
[00:09:27]  Forward slash Graham.
[00:09:29]  I'm going to make that real easy.
[00:09:31]  So it's darkjournalist.com forward slash event forward slash Graham.
[00:09:36]  And you can sign up there and choose as many tickets as you want to get.
[00:09:41]  Now, also in Twitter at darkjournalist and facebook.com forward slash darkjournalist, I've also posted the announcement there.
[00:09:51]  So if for any reason you lose track of that link, you can feel free to do it there.
[00:09:55]  Graham's work is.
[00:09:58]  You know that history is moving with him when he works.
[00:10:01]  And he has contributed so much.
[00:10:04]  And he's really stepped in heavily when he had the research in hand.
[00:10:08]  And he stepped back to do other things like his studies and alternative consciousness and ayahuasca studies.
[00:10:14]  And also that incredible fiction that he was doing for a little while.
[00:10:20]  And then now he's stepped back into the lost civilization research.
[00:10:24]  And everyone has breathed a sigh of relief because we've all been waiting for him to come back and do this.
[00:10:28]  So, Sky Balancer wanted to know.
[00:10:31]  So, if we are members, will we be able to view it eventually?
[00:10:37]  You know, I would say it's better safe than sorry.
[00:10:43]  But we'll do everything we can.
[00:10:45]  And hopefully, we'll be able to bring you as much of that event as possible.
[00:10:50]  But certainly, the live event is the way to guarantee that it'll be there.
[00:10:55]  That's going to be a very special event, too.
[00:10:57]  And very often, you know, you find these great speakers coming to town.
[00:11:00]  It's like, you know, And East Jupiter, Florida, or whatever.
[00:11:05]  You know, they're just put in these odd cities.
[00:11:07]  And this is right in the heart of Harvard Square, Cambridge, about five minutes from our studio here.
[00:11:15]  So this one's going to be an extra special evening.
[00:11:18]  It's on May 25th, Saturday night.
[00:11:21]  The event starts at 7 p.m.
[00:11:23]  And you can be sure to gather there a little bit early and get your seat and all the rest.
[00:11:28]  But that's the event, Saturday, May 25th, with a legendary.
[00:11:33]  Writer, an author, and just a tremendous figure, Graham Hancock.
[00:11:38]  I'm very excited about that one, as you can imagine.
[00:11:40]  We've both met Graham before, and he is an intense figure in person.
[00:11:45]  Oh, absolutely.
[00:11:46]  He's an alleged man.
[00:11:46]  Almost terrifying with his passion.
[00:11:50]  He can definitely, it's very transformative work that I think he engages in when he lectures.
[00:11:56]  So he's a very electrifying speaker.
[00:11:58]  And you can, if you look at, if you go through the Dark Journalist channel or even on the darkjournalist.com site, there's the previous interview that we did with him from 2016, I believe.
[00:12:12]  And that's a pretty riveting one.
[00:12:15]  And that is about the Magicians of the Gods book, which is quite remarkable also.
[00:12:19]  So yes, Graham is coming.
[00:12:21]  But let me tell you, that's a fantastic announcement.
[00:12:24]  And we have, there's more to come.
[00:12:26]  There's more to come.
[00:12:26]  So, this is a very good time to come out this year and really get with some of the great people who are here to give us this information.
[00:12:35]  Fantastic.
[00:12:37]  And now, Olivia, before I jump into this, do you have anything else that you want to?
[00:12:41]  Well, everyone's just asking if we might do a paid live stream for those who are not in state.
[00:12:47]  Well, I'll tell you, those things aren't on the table as of yet because of the technological setup there.
[00:12:56]  So, at this point, There's not a live stream that's set up, but we'll see because it's about three months out.
[00:13:02]  So we'll look into it for sure.
[00:13:05]  And no question about it, we're going to be doing more events.
[00:13:09]  But that one with Graham, I would say everybody's like, live stream, live stream.
[00:13:14]  They got the right idea.
[00:13:18]  It's always interesting, too, though, with live streams, you're very often at the mercy of the Wi Fi of the venue.
[00:13:23]  So it's pretty interesting.
[00:13:26]  We'll see what we can do.
[00:13:26]  We've done it before, for sure.
[00:13:30]  I think the important takeaway from all that is that's a fantastic show coming, but there are going to be some incredible shows coming with it.
[00:13:37]  So, this is going to be the year of some amazing public events.
[00:13:41]  And with that, now I'm going to take a look at J.G. Bennett.
[00:13:47]  So, J.G. Bennett had the very interesting fortune of running across Gurdjieff and Dispensky under unusual circumstances.
[00:13:58]  And I would say that the development of the Mystery Schools.
[00:14:02]  Really would not have gone forward in the Gurdjieff tradition with as much passion as it did after both Uspensky and Gurdjieff died in the late 40s.
[00:14:13]  Uspensky in 47 and Gurdjieff in 49.
[00:14:17]  What they left behind and which was published on the death of Uspensky was the book that he kept of all of his time with Gurdjieff, which he didn't put out for profit while he was alive.

=== Gurdjieff and Mystery Schools (14:16) ===

[00:14:29]  It's quite a remarkable book.
[00:14:30]  It's called In Search of the Miraculous.
[00:14:32]  But I want to say here for people who are watching the X series that the original name of this. Book is Fragments of an Unknown Teaching.
[00:14:38]  And you're going to find that the unknown teaching that's referenced over and over again comes face to face with the ex steganography that we've been covering here in the program.
[00:14:48]  So, and in that ex steganography, which is used so much in secrecy for government programs, it has its roots, we have to remember, in ancient civilizations and ancient mystery schools, keeping a tradition and keeping the symbol of the ex, everything from St. Andrew's Cross.
[00:15:06]  To the Book of the Dead, to the Templars.
[00:15:10]  You know, the X steganography is something that is, you know, there are so many examples of it that trying to make the case for the X steganography we've done over the last 48 episodes, the evidence is there.
[00:15:26]  And my feeling about the X steganography, which is this nomenclature, this system, this symbology of tracking something, in this case, tracking these great mysteries.
[00:15:40]  That these schools and these brotherhoods held, this was a kind of a signaling to each other.
[00:15:46]  But we'll find that in the Gurdjieff Fourth Way work, that the Enneagram, for example, is very much a kind of steganography.
[00:15:55]  And it also signals that.
[00:15:56]  As a matter of fact, one of the things that Gurdjieff mentioned about the Enneagram, which is this very unusual symbol that comes out of the Gurdjieff work and has a very transformative quality in its study.
[00:16:10]  Is he said that if there were two initiates that met in the desert somewhere, that they could both carve out the Enneagram, each one would know who was on the higher level of teaching or where they were in relation to it based on the way that they drew the Enneagram?
[00:16:24]  Quite fascinating.
[00:16:26]  Let's take a quick look because all of this kind of comes into the Enneagram, and that's where I want to start with this.
[00:16:34]  It's a very unusual symbol.
[00:16:35]  Here it is in its most essential form, which was the symbol of the Saruman Brotherhood, and here it is.
[00:16:44]  In its actual final form, we have a nine pointed image, and there are many things that happened with different schools after Gurdjieff's death, and people claiming, hey, I discovered the Enneagram over here and it relates to all these other things.
[00:17:06]  And actually, by the time the 1990s and early 2000s rolled around, there were actually these whole things about developing a personality profile based on the Enneagram, and this stuff had come out, you know, and it's a super public.
[00:17:18]  Kind of awkward way.
[00:17:21]  And that aspect of where do you sit on the Enneagram, there's actually a lot of validity to it, but it came right out of the Gurdjieff schools.
[00:17:29]  And it was a piece that they decided not to come out with.
[00:17:33]  And then there were people like the Akazo people in South America who said, oh, hey, I got this from some other school so I can come out and sell books about it and talk about it.
[00:17:43]  And they even tried to trademark it.
[00:17:45]  So we've seen things like this before.
[00:17:47]  But The Enneagram was brought to the public in the early 19th century, 20th century, by Gurdjieff.
[00:17:56]  And, you know, so accept no substitute, I guess, is the reasonable response there.
[00:18:03]  This figure, which Gurdjieff described as being best understood while in movement, becomes a big part of the teaching that Gurdjieff brings forward, which is not just a philosophical, psycho spiritual teaching, but an active.
[00:18:22]  Movements teaching.
[00:18:23]  So you have these people acting out these dances, really, and this whole kind of temple dance is based on the Gurdjieff work.
[00:18:33]  And these are the mystical teachings that are preserved in these temples and in these schools that Gurdjieff came out of that tradition with and then came to the West to present.
[00:18:43]  Now, it's very interesting that he decided not just to work psychologically and say, here are some intellectual principles for you to study.
[00:18:51]  There had to be a physical aspect involved.
[00:18:54]  So, when we get into the fourth way, we're talking about a mystery school that is going beyond conceptual ideas.
[00:19:02]  And it's a teaching that requires you to physically participate and to know that end of things.
[00:19:11]  Now, what's interesting is what Gurdjieff says in In Search of the Miraculous and how Uspensky really does an amazing job because we have to remember that Uspensky, who's the Russian philosopher that was his top student and would write the ground.
[00:19:26]  Breaking book on the Gurdjieff material and spent the most intense time with him, really.
[00:19:32]  And the book being In Search of the Miraculous, as I mentioned, he was a journalist for years.
[00:19:37]  And I think this is what makes the difference because he was used to getting the facts in a certain way, collecting facts, verifying facts.
[00:19:47]  And, you know, very often when you see people studying or covering like Krishnamurti or they're covering theosophy, they are, you know, either coming from a skeptical position or they're coming from a worshipful position.
[00:20:03]  And what you really need is a kind of a journalistic.
[00:20:08]  Approach to come down the middle with it.
[00:20:10]  And of course, you know, Gurdjieff became, you know, Ospensky became part of the Gurdjieff story by diving so much into his teaching.
[00:20:17]  But I think the reason the book is so good is because he had these amazing journalistic skills.
[00:20:22]  We have to also remember, since I'm speaking so much about Ospensky, take a quick look at him.
[00:20:27]  Very intense character.
[00:20:30]  And he was already a popular author in his own right with a book called Tertium Organum and A New Model of the Universe.
[00:20:39]  So, He ran across Gurdjieff's teaching after coming back from a trip to the East in search of the miraculous, which is the name of a series of articles that he wrote for his Russian newspaper.
[00:20:52]  And he went and saw yogis and fakirs and people who could walk on fire and lie on a bed of nails and things like that.
[00:21:00]  And he was really searching for these schools that he had read about through the different literature that came out of the Middle Ages where they kept this hidden knowledge.
[00:21:11]  The mystery schools in In essence, but he was looking for the heart of the mystery school, so he was there in India, in Tibet, searching out these things.
[00:21:18]  Eventually, he ran across some very unusual work that Gurdjieff was putting out, and they got a meeting going.
[00:21:26]  But here, one of the things I want to point out is the Enneagram is here, right in the advertisement, which is very interesting.
[00:21:34]  I always want to point this out in relation to Gurdjieff.
[00:21:37]  The Enneagram is a crucial part whenever we're dealing with this.
[00:21:40]  So, in order to understand the Gurdjieff work, we have to understand what The Enneagram is.
[00:21:44]  But on the top of this very interesting advertisement, it says, To know, to understand, to be.
[00:21:51]  The science of the harmonious development of man according to the method of G.I. Gurdjieff.
[00:21:57]  Now, Gurdjieff had come out of the mystery schools with a mission, but he's unusual in this sense.
[00:22:06]  And he's like Blavatsky in this sense, which is that the mystery schools had faced a choice.
[00:22:13]  By the mid 19th century, according to Rudolf Steiner from the anthroposophical literature, which was there was a flood of scientific materialism coming into the world, and that humanity wasn't able to handle it.
[00:22:30]  Now, the mystery schools were accustomed to keeping this information hidden and slipping it out, you know, and moving it through different movements and things, but never coming out blatantly and saying it because it's very disruptive in the sense that it's powerful information, it's transformative information, and it's information that can be misused.
[00:22:48]  So, some of those mystery schools were really addicted to secrecy in this sense because they had to be.
[00:22:54]  And they had to be very careful.
[00:22:55]  And some of these secrets have been carried down for thousands of years.
[00:22:59]  So, but by the time we get to this period of scientific materialism taking over, they have to make a bold decision, which is we have to trust humanity with some of these larger truths.
[00:23:09]  And we find these great spiritualism crazes, and, you know, Atlantis and reincarnation and psychic development, all these things start to come to the fore largely through the work.
[00:23:21]  Of the Theosophical Society.
[00:23:24]  Now, we've done a series of shows on Theosophy and Anthroposophy, but it's a good backdrop to where we're going with the Gurdjieff work when we come into it.
[00:23:34]  So, Gurdjieff had gone in search of these mystery schools, and this is something that Ospensky had hoped he would have been able to find them.
[00:23:47]  But he wasn't able to find them, but he did find Gurdjieff.
[00:23:49]  And then in Gurdjieff's search, he had gone to something that he described as the Sarmoon Brotherhood.
[00:23:55]  And again, we can see the symbol of the Sarmoon is the Enneagram without the triangle in the middle.
[00:24:03]  That's going to be significant.
[00:24:04]  I'll get into that later.
[00:24:05]  But the Sarmoon Brotherhood is one of the Mystery schools that had kept this incredibly deep information, and Gurdjieff had described it as an inner circle of humanity, which I think is a good phrase for us to keep in mind.
[00:24:18]  That is, a secret group that had maintained this information over time, passed it down, and the secrets related to the very nature of reality and the very nature of being a human being and the wider psychospiritual implications in the cosmos of that.
[00:24:37]  That there were.
[00:24:38]  Groups of people who understood these truths and had preserved them from ancient times.
[00:24:46]  So that when the culture became base, that when things became blinded by scientific materialism, there would be a way out.
[00:24:54]  There would be a way to face up against that.
[00:24:57]  These teachings would be let out to the public.
[00:24:58]  Now, it wasn't always a very tidy process.
[00:25:05]  It sometimes would fall over this way or that way, and sometimes the people involved, like Blavatsky, You know, they're unpredictable.
[00:25:13]  They are human and they're not ascended masters themselves, but they are initiates from these schools.
[00:25:20]  Now, Gurdjieff.
[00:25:21]  Could you stop right there for a second?
[00:25:23]  Sure.
[00:25:23]  Could you define what an initiate really is?
[00:25:27]  Yeah, well, an initiate into a mystery school tradition is somebody who's taken an oath to basically preserve the secrets of the school, but they also have to pass a very rigorous training that.
[00:25:42]  Is involved.
[00:25:42]  So if somebody comes out and says, Well, I'm gifted in this and that, and is an author and they write about certain things, they might be somebody who's interested in mystery schools or interested in psychological advancement, but they're not an initiate from a school.
[00:25:57]  That's a very different kind of position.
[00:25:59]  I think we've only had, in the general run of things, I think that Steiner, Gurdjieff, and also Blavatsky came right out of the schools as initiates themselves.
[00:26:14]  But the initiates are, it's a very high.
[00:26:16]  Table of learning.
[00:26:17]  It's like kind of like a Munhandle saying, Professor, in a sense.
[00:26:23]  Do they take children?
[00:26:26]  Do they take, in other words, will they train a child?
[00:26:28]  Yes.
[00:26:31]  In the mystery schools, you know, you can be taught at a variety of ages, but they don't, you know, the traditional mystery schools, in terms of being teachers, you have to be at least 40 in order to come out and teach.
[00:26:45]  So I'm thinking, I was thinking about Kung Fu and whether you could say that, you know, the temple that he was trained in.
[00:26:51]  Whether that would be a mystery school?
[00:26:53]  Would that be a lesser?
[00:26:53]  Oh, absolutely.
[00:26:55]  Well, you know, what's interesting is the Shaolin Temple is a real temple training, and they mix martial arts with this incredible philosophy.
[00:27:02]  Great movement, again.
[00:27:03]  Yes.
[00:27:04]  Absolutely.
[00:27:04]  Well, this is interesting because in Asia, I think they do have that more.
[00:27:08]  Absolutely.
[00:27:09]  The way I would look at this is we have to, if we're to understand the Gurdjieff movement through Bennett, is we have to go back into the history and say, okay, Gurdjieff went in search of these mystery schools.
[00:27:20]  He discovered the mystery schools.
[00:27:21]  He became a mystery school initiate.
[00:27:23]  He came out.
[00:27:24]  But I think what's important, and really what Ospensky and Bennett had realized about Gurdjieff at a certain point, is that he was a kind of an experiment.
[00:27:33]  That is, he was able to come out and try things and experiment with the methods as opposed to just represent a particular school or a particular method.
[00:27:45]  It wasn't like he came out and said, Hi, I'm from X Mystery School, and here's my teaching.
[00:27:51]  He did teach the fourth way, which comes out of The mystery schools, and that is a signature of his work, yes, but he was allowed a wide range of experiences and experiments inside of that.
[00:28:03]  So we get kind of a better idea there, I think, in relation to it.
[00:28:05]  Could you clarify one more thing?
[00:28:07]  Sure.
[00:28:07]  Okay, so Glovearm wants to know initiation versus indoctrination.
[00:28:11]  What would the difference be?
[00:28:15]  Well, I mean, you can indoctrinate somebody into communism, right?
[00:28:19]  So it depends on how you use the word.
[00:28:22]  If someone is to be initiated, of course, When you go back to sacred schools, when you go back to high priests, when you go back even to Atlantean times, there are groups of initiates that are charged with a very great authority by possessing certain types of knowledge.
[00:28:39]  And you can't just walk in and say, I've read a book on this, I'm an initiate.

=== Arcane Teaching Levels (02:04) ===

[00:28:45]  It doesn't work that way.
[00:28:46]  You have to go through a trial as different for every school, but you pass it and you become a mystery school initiate.
[00:28:57]  I have to say, in relation to mystery schools, I've pointed out the levels before, but I'll do it here quickly.
[00:29:02]  That the mystery schools operate in such a sphere that it's very hard in the common everyday reality to grasp where they're coming from.
[00:29:13]  Because what we get is we get the different levels of the mystery schools.
[00:29:19]  So, underneath the traditional mystery schools, which are where the initiates work, you will get the lesser schools.
[00:29:27]  And the lesser schools, they know a certain degree of what the mystery schools know, and they are certainly dynamic and transformative environments, but they're just not the initiate mystery schools.
[00:29:41]  Then below them are the arcane schools, who literally keep the traditions alive by going by the book.
[00:29:49]  And those are very interesting, I think, and they've maintained great traditions, but there's not a lot of growth inside of arcane schools.
[00:29:55]  It's a carrying on of a tradition.
[00:29:58]  Below that, you.
[00:30:01]  Are going to have these private meeting groups and then public meeting groups based on a particular teaching.
[00:30:10]  Most of what people would consider mystery schools now, when somebody says, Hey, I was in a mystery school or I studied mystery schools, it's the public teaching level that maybe gets to the private teaching level.
[00:30:20]  And I guess what you would hope when you do that kind of work is that you attract someone from the arcane schools and that you are able to work with someone in the arcane tradition and they will introduce you into the lesser schools.
[00:30:31]  And at a certain point, you arrive at the mystery schools, which apparently.
[00:30:34]  In Gurdjieff's case, this happened.
[00:30:36]  But again, remember, that's a real life commitment.
[00:30:38]  And I'm not sure that an average person would do it.
[00:30:42]  But what we can do is we can accumulate a number of influences from the work of the mystery schools and apply them in our daily life.

=== Three Ways to God (03:12) ===

[00:30:49]  Now, what's fascinating about the fourth way is this the reason it's called the fourth way is that we have three different levels that they're on.
[00:31:00]  The first level is the way to God, basically.
[00:31:04]  There are three different ways to God.
[00:31:05]  The first one is the way of the monk.
[00:31:08]  Which is the way of devotion, and then the way of the yogi, and then the way of the fakir.
[00:31:12]  And they each have their different specialties, but they're each missing what the other has, but they're all a direct avenue to basically this kind of ascension.
[00:31:28]  The fourth way is unusual in that you don't have to go away to a monastery, you don't have to go away to a mountaintop, and you don't have to withdraw from society like a yogi would.
[00:31:41]  You actually have to be in society.
[00:31:43]  The world.
[00:31:44]  You have to be thrust into the middle of everyday life circumstances.
[00:31:47]  So you have to be in the political realm.
[00:31:51]  You have to be a cab driver.
[00:31:53]  You have to be some small business person.
[00:31:55]  You have to be someone in the regular edge of life who can apply these principles in that regular everyday function.
[00:32:05]  So the fourth way is unique in that it gives you the ability to develop these transformative.
[00:32:13]  Powers within yourself, but in the run of everyday life, which I think is very unique and unusual.
[00:32:19]  And as you know, just day to day, as Olivia can tell you, driving in Boston, you get quite an education on stress management and trauma and all the rest of it.
[00:32:32]  So I think that you get this kind of impression that in day to day life, there is something, there's a kind of arena there where if you face these influences, you can.
[00:32:46]  In a calm fashion, and you are able to kind of hold your center under very stressful environments, you gain something.
[00:32:52]  You gain some quality that wasn't there before.
[00:32:55]  And that's the first real level of work on oneself in the fourth way schools, I would say, which is being able to overcome the kind of chaos in society and remain centered.
[00:33:07]  And then I know you're thinking about driving, I can tell.
[00:33:12]  No, David Donnaway had a great quote.
[00:33:15]  He said, The way the monk.
[00:33:16]  The way of the yogi, the way of the fakir, and the fourth way is listening to DJ?
[00:33:23]  Well, in fakir, I should explain, not a lot of people know what they are, but they are those guys in India that lie down on a bed of nails and they can do it.
[00:33:29]  And it's quite unusual because they defy science, because they don't bleed, and just like the guys who walk on coals don't burn.
[00:33:39]  So there's a quality there, there's a tradition that's passed down about mind over matter when it comes to fakirs.
[00:33:47]  And we know the yogi is doing the mind over matter stuff as well.
[00:33:51]  And then with the monk, I think what they're saying there is that the devotional aspect in spiritual worship becomes their evolutionary track.
[00:33:59]  So those are the three traditions.

=== Brotherhood Information Expanse (03:29) ===

[00:34:02]  And then the fourth way comes out of the blue, sent out by the mystery schools, boom, into the middle of regular everyday society around World War I.
[00:34:11]  So through the figure of G.I. Gurdjieff.
[00:34:14]  Now, what I want to say in relation to Gurdjieff is this.
[00:34:17]  Because he brought the incredible teaching forward.
[00:34:19]  He gave us this incredible tool.
[00:34:21]  But he himself, you know, he had a lot of controversies and things.
[00:34:26]  And what I want to say in relation to him is that people like Bennett and Spensky came to the conclusion that he had achieved a certain level, that the mystery schools were comfortable with him going out and teaching this stuff, but they left him to do it, that it was his individual job to do it, and that they didn't support him after the fact.
[00:34:48]  So he was kind of an experiment, and his work is an experiment, and this is what we got from it.
[00:34:52]  But he's a direct descendant out of the mystery schools, and that lineage goes through the Ospensky work to Bennett, who worked with both of them.
[00:35:01]  And so Bennett's school is the last trail trace in public of the Sarmoon Brotherhood.
[00:35:08]  Now, the Sarmoon Brotherhood gives us an incredible expanse of information, physical, mental, psychic.
[00:35:17]  It gives us a huge range of spiritual information.
[00:35:20]  So, therefore, by the time we get to Bennett's work, it's particularly important because it has a modern impact and we start to see how those Sarmoon principles react inside of a modern society.
[00:35:35]  I want to remind everyone that you're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
[00:35:37]  It's fantastic to have so many people here.
[00:35:40]  It's a great.
[00:35:41]  Topic tonight that we're tackling the mystery schools and going deep and trying to discover what it is the influence, what is the legacy that's been left behind by this group.
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[00:36:07]  And, you know, people are not getting notified through YouTube about the show.
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[00:36:48]  I think what I've been noticing too, and I wanted to point out, is so many of you are getting good at pointing out the X steganography and sending me different versions of it.
[00:36:58]  But this article I found particularly interesting.
[00:37:00]  It's from World News, and it is the world's first artwork found in Africa.
[00:37:05]  And I like this shot, of course, because you've got X steganography all over this here.
[00:37:11]  And, you know, one of the things that is always amazing to me is whenever you get into Mayan ruins, when you get into Egyptian ruins, When you get into Peruvian ruins, you're going to find the X because the steganography from the mystery schools is carried down.
[00:37:26]  And so we have great sort of background on that.

=== Scholar in the Tradition (14:32) ===

[00:37:31]  So, how do we get from Gurdjieff and the Enneagram in these schools directly into how that interfaces with Bennett and who he was?
[00:37:41]  I want to say this first about Bennett.
[00:37:43]  He's an extraordinary figure, by the way, but he was a very traditional figure.
[00:37:49]  As a mathematician, someone who was an author, who was a director of institutes, he was encouraged to run for political office.
[00:37:59]  He had an exemplary military career.
[00:38:02]  He spoke multiple languages and spent a great deal of time in different parts of the world, like Turkey and Asia.
[00:38:12]  So, this is not somebody who had picked up the idea that he was going to be a New Age teacher or something like that.
[00:38:19]  This is a very hardcore figure who really.
[00:38:24]  Had the feature of a scholar in a sense, but somebody who had a quest to know and to understand.
[00:38:30]  And according to his own account of when he met Gurdjieff in 1923, by the way, he was sent to spy on him, which is kind of an interesting way to meet somebody.
[00:38:40]  But he said it took him 46 years to take Gurdjieff's advice.
[00:38:46]  And that's a chapter that he wrote in his book Witness about being involved with Gurdjieff and Spensky.
[00:38:52]  And in the book Witness, he describes the fact that it took him till 1969.
[00:38:59]  Some 46 years after he met Gurdjieff, to take Gurdjieff's advice and start a fourth way school, which is what he did at Sherbourne, which was a remarkable human experiment of pulling people together with the Gurdjieff-Sarmoon fourth way concepts and having them work.
[00:39:15]  And this forms the real true legacy of Bennett's work there, that period which lasted about five years from 69 to 74 when he died.
[00:39:26]  But I think that we need to get this idea in our minds that, like Ospensky, You know, Bennett was a scholar in the sense that he had these incredible qualities to him.
[00:39:38]  So, this is not someone who comes from the sort of fly by night school when studying these things.
[00:39:43]  And very often, when you are getting into spirituality, you can find often that the figures can be flighty and inspired without these types of credentials.
[00:39:54]  Well, in this case, we've got a lot of credentials when it comes to Bennett.
[00:40:03]  He's definitely became the elder statesman of the Gurdjieff movement.
[00:40:09]  Let's take a quick look at some of the Gurdjieff exercises, which are transformative.
[00:40:13]  And you can see, as I'm going to point out over and over again, the Enneagram is always in the heart of the Gurdjieff work.
[00:40:21]  Here they are dancing the Enneagram.
[00:40:24]  Now they're using these very special movement techniques to dance the Enneagram.
[00:40:30]  I've mentioned before, we covered Gurdjieff on this program in relation to the X Steganography series, that I spent Many years working around groups that dealt with the Gurdjieff work and dealing with movements and the different types, actually, because they have the Gurdjieff Foundation schools and they have the people who spun off from Bennett, and then they have the Ospensky schools.
[00:40:52]  I think they call them the Fellowship of Friends.
[00:40:57]  They're all very interesting and they all have different ways of studying it, but I found that the Gurdjieff teaching seemed to come out the best through the Bennett groups that were assembled in this kind of loose way.
[00:41:09]  Held to the kind of spirit of the progression of the work.
[00:41:13]  Here's another shot of practicing of these movements.
[00:41:17]  Now, one of the things that Gurdjieff said about the movements is that in many cultures, they will preserve books and they will preserve entire legacies and histories that are forgotten.
[00:41:30]  You know, for example, when Cortez comes to America and burns all the books, the Mayans in those groups maintain their own history by having this level of dance involved and being able to read.
[00:41:42]  The kind of alphabet and the vocabulary of those dance movements.
[00:41:46]  And so someone would sit there and watch the Epic of Gilgamesh, or someone would sit there and watch aspects of the Noah story and they would understand it.
[00:41:56]  So you would learn the alphabet of the movements and then that would be preserved for the teachings.
[00:42:02]  And then the initiates who would watch the dances, for an average person watching it, they'd say, That's a very fascinating dance, but they wouldn't know the story of what is happening.
[00:42:11]  But if you're initiated into it, Very much like the ex steganography, for example, it takes an initiate to see it, but to an ordinary person, it just looked like a dance.
[00:42:21]  This is, I think, one aspect of how to really understand the whole mystery school temple dances.
[00:42:28]  One of the things I think we can also say about them is that they develop an energy inside a person that they didn't know was there, but it's not only a physical energy, it's a kind of mental energy that gives them the ability for sensing things that they didn't have the.
[00:42:45]  The skill to do before.
[00:42:47]  One of the things that Gurdjieff said before he died in relation to the work around the movements was that he wanted to be remembered as someone who had brought the essence of the temple dances to the West.
[00:43:03]  This is very interesting because he could have been remembered as the person who brought the entire Fourth Way teaching.
[00:43:08]  It's interesting that he placed this aspect of the movements above anything else that he brought forward.
[00:43:13]  I think it gives us some idea of the importance he placed on it.
[00:43:18]  What would happen?
[00:43:20]  In this period, just around World War I, say between 1912 to 1919, is that Gurdjieff was coming forward and giving these lectures that nobody really had any idea what he was talking about, but they were absolute dynamite.
[00:43:36]  And here he is watching one of the performances of these movements.
[00:43:44]  So he would come out and give these lectures on these very, very unusual things.
[00:43:49]  And I tell you, nobody understood.
[00:43:50]  What he was talking about because the teaching was so advanced and it took Uspensky unraveling it for 20 years to really bring it forward into something digestible to a Western mind.
[00:44:03]  But Gurdjieff's impact was very unusual and he just sort of showed up out of nowhere.
[00:44:08]  This is the kind of hallmark of the mystery schools, I think, in the sense that when you look at certain figures like Blavatsky, like Steiner, like Gurdjieff, this is how it happens, which is they are trained in this tradition in the mystery school and then they're put out.
[00:44:23]  And in some cases, I think that people like Steiner stayed in touch with the mystery schools.
[00:44:29]  But I think in Gurdjieff's case, he was on his own.
[00:44:34]  But boy, he had developed some amazing things.
[00:44:37]  One of the things he brought forward, which is still a mystery, is something called the stop exercise.
[00:44:42]  Now, the way he described the stop exercise was one of the crucial pieces of development inside the mystery schools, where you develop control over every muscle in your body.
[00:44:54]  You are doing something which is a regular task, but you're trained when the person who is kind of the initiator or just the teacher in this case yells, Stop!
[00:45:07]  You're trained to stop everything you're doing.
[00:45:09]  So, if you're in the middle of eating a sandwich or drinking water, you know, painting a painting, you stop and you stop with every muscle no matter what you're doing.
[00:45:19]  And one of the stories that he described, which was very dangerous, was when he was out in a well gathering water with another one.
[00:45:27]  Of these people outdoors inside the brotherhoods, the instructor yelled stop, and they were sitting there, and the water started to fill up in the well where they were, and it got actually up to his eyeballs before the trainer said continue, and then they could get the hell out of there.
[00:45:44]  But it is quite fascinating.
[00:45:46]  They put so much in the stop exercise, and it demonstrates, I think, on a conscious level, this mind over matter aspect, which is crucial to personal development.
[00:45:58]  That's something I think we have to keep in mind.
[00:46:00]  The interesting thing is that by the time Bennett met Gurdjieff, Gurdjieff was doing something called the Struggle of the Magicians.
[00:46:11]  And the Struggle of the Magicians was this kind of ballet that he had developed using these dancers.
[00:46:17]  And at one point in the Struggle of the Magicians, the dancer, one of the dancers, will pick up a chair and he has to basically, he's about to hit the other dancer over the head with it.
[00:46:29]  It's part of the whole dance of the thing.
[00:46:31]  And the And Gurdjieff has to yell stop in the middle of that so that it doesn't happen.
[00:46:38]  And there's actually a shot of it here, which is quite remarkable.
[00:46:40]  And he is showing them how to use this stop to stop every muscle in their body at that point, but bringing everything to the height of tension during the struggle of the magicians.
[00:46:52]  And in some of these dances, we can see this really incredible emphasis placed on movement and muscles and developing that power over the body when someone is there in this incredible pose.
[00:47:07]  So Gurdjieff is showing them this is how you're going to freeze all those muscles.
[00:47:11]  And very often, When we go into Bennett's story, for example, he talks about how when he was doing these movements, Gurdjieff would look at him and he would get these surges of incredible energy.
[00:47:22]  And so, Gurdjieff obviously had developed in the mystery schools something which is really quite, quite far out.
[00:47:29]  I'm going to read from Witness, real briefly here, a quote from our friend Bennett.
[00:47:38]  And Olivia, you can read a question if you'd like.
[00:47:41]  Okay.
[00:47:41]  Well, the Cosmic Garden wanted to know.
[00:47:43]  Does this mean that by following that trajectory, we all here are initiates ourselves?
[00:47:50]  And should we start our own school?
[00:47:56]  Well, I mean, in a sense, we are.
[00:47:58]  Yeah, I mean, you're in the school of life, absolutely.
[00:48:02]  No, I don't think we should all start schools.
[00:48:05]  And I don't think we're all initiates.
[00:48:07]  I think what happens is you have the ability to develop something in yourself that's independent of the society at large around you.
[00:48:15]  And it's best to develop.
[00:48:16]  That quality in the fourth way sense with other people because you develop all sorts of different things and can see so many things when you're working with a group.
[00:48:26]  Now, I found very often in relation to the Gurdjieff work that those groups were small and when they began 10, 15, 20 people, that's where they did the most intense work.
[00:48:37]  And I think that they recommended a level of about 100 people.
[00:48:41]  So, in terms of like, you know, worldwide groups and institutions, it's pretty interesting actually because one of the things when You know, Bennett would start these groups, and you know, here he was 30 years after the fact.
[00:48:55]  And people were saying, Well, did the mystery schools fail?
[00:48:57]  Because even the Bennett schools are very forgotten in a sense, except by people like me who look deeply into it, and so many people who followed the Bennett Fourth Way work.
[00:49:09]  But what he said is that the mystery schools that he learned from Gurdjieff aren't there to develop a big institute to be like, Hi, we're the mystery schools.
[00:49:18]  What they do is they come out, they spread seeds, and then they withdraw, and then they come back.
[00:49:24]  Now, you know, if you follow this program, there is a prediction by Rudolf Steiner that if anthroposophy failed, which was the incredible spiritual science movement that he started, if they failed during World War I, as he felt that they had, the opportunity, the window would open again in about 100 years.
[00:49:47]  And that would be a two to three decade window for anthroposophy to come back and spiritual science to thrive.
[00:49:55]  We're getting something of that feel also when we're talking about these things.
[00:50:00]  And I think Cosmic Garden, if you had a baby.
[00:50:05]  Oh, no, they're still waiting.
[00:50:06]  Oh, okay.
[00:50:06]  That was early later.
[00:50:07]  I was going to say, congratulations.
[00:50:08]  A little baby aspens.
[00:50:10]  Listen, you're going to have all the luck in the world.
[00:50:14]  All right, so I was speaking about these movements.
[00:50:15]  I'm going to take an excerpt now from J.G. Bennett's book, Witness, the Story of a Search.
[00:50:21]  By the way, this book I recommend so much because, again, I want you to remember something in relation to Bennett is that Bennett is us.
[00:50:30]  He has gone to work, he's gone to seek.
[00:50:32]  He's not somebody who's a lofty teacher that we're trying to learn so much from.
[00:50:36]  He's a comrade, he's a peer, has gone looking among these mystery school teachings to find something to bring back to us.
[00:50:44]  And through his experience, we can gain a great deal because he was arm in arm right with the greatest teachers of the 20th century.
[00:50:54]  And we'll find that when Gurdjieff and Ospensky pass on, his work expands dramatically.
[00:51:01]  So he really kind of carries the torch and then he goes in other directions.
[00:51:06]  So we're going to find out interesting things about him.
[00:51:09]  But to give us an idea about these movements and the unusual things that are going on, when he first met Gurdjieff, he was spying on him.
[00:51:16]  But as it turned out, he became friends with both Ouspensky and Gurdjieff.
[00:51:20]  And then they took him into their confidence.
[00:51:22]  And Gurdjieff had started something called the Priory, which was the Institute for the Harmonious Development of Man in France.
[00:51:28]  And they practiced all kinds of very interesting things with artwork, with dancing, with music, and meditation techniques.
[00:51:37]  And it was a very unusual school.
[00:51:39]  It was the public version of these mystery schools.
[00:51:44]  Now, he talks about this unusual experience that he had.
[00:51:48]  He's very sick, he's gone through the flu, and he still wants to participate in these Gurdjieff movements.
[00:51:53]  So he's there on the grounds at Fontainebleau at this institute, which is basically this incredible kind of villa in the middle of France.

=== Priory Rhythm Experience (02:46) ===

[00:52:04]  And he said, Each morning it was harder and harder to get out of bed, and my body shrank from the heavy work in the heat of the sun.
[00:52:11]  Finally, a day came when I simply could not stand up.
[00:52:13]  I was shaking with fever and very wretched in myself.
[00:52:16]  Feeling that I had failed, just as I was saying to myself, I will stay in bed today, I felt my body rising.
[00:52:22]  I dressed and went to work as usual, but this time with a queer sense of being held together by superior will that was not my own.
[00:52:30]  This is a very interesting thing that happens when people are around Gurdjieff and the movements that he's doing.
[00:52:36]  There's some independent will that they can call upon that wasn't there before.
[00:52:40]  Continuing.
[00:52:42]  We worked as usual all the morning.
[00:52:44]  I did not eat lunch that day, but lay on the ground wondering if I was going to die.
[00:52:47]  This is how sick he was.
[00:52:49]  Gurdjieff had just introduced afternoon practice of the exercise out of doors under the lime grove.
[00:52:57]  When the pupils began to collect under the lime trees, I joined them.
[00:53:01]  Gurdjieff and Hartman came out together.
[00:53:03]  Hartman is this incredible pianist who was a concert pianist that Gurdjieff had grabbed to develop the temple songs.
[00:53:14]  When the pupils began to collect under the lime trees, I joined them.
[00:53:16]  Gurdjieff and Hartman came out together.
[00:53:18]  The piano was carried out from the study house by six men.
[00:53:21]  I was one of them.
[00:53:22]  I stumbled.
[00:53:23]  Nearly bringing the others down.
[00:53:26]  So he's sick and he's carrying this huge piano.
[00:53:28]  It was hot and miserable.
[00:53:30]  Worst possible conditions, right?
[00:53:32]  We started by working on a new exercise of incredible complexity that even the most experienced Russian pupils could not master.
[00:53:39]  The structure of the exercise was drawn on the board in symbols, and head and feet and arms and torso had to follow independent sequences.
[00:53:47]  It was torture for all of us.
[00:53:49]  These were the intense movements that we're talking about and that Bennett would.
[00:53:54]  Show later and develop later at Sherbourne for his own students.
[00:53:58]  Quite remarkable.
[00:54:02]  Gurdjieff pretended to be angry and stopped us, saying, We must practice rhythms.
[00:54:08]  Hartman began to play one rhythm after another, which had to be followed with the feet.
[00:54:12]  I felt very ill and weak.
[00:54:14]  A deadly lassitude took possession of me so that every moment became a supreme effort of will.
[00:54:20]  One of the English pupils stopped and sat down, then another, then another.
[00:54:24]  These guys are falling by the wayside.
[00:54:26]  They can't keep up.
[00:54:28]  Soon I ceased to be aware of anything but the music and my own weakness.
[00:54:31]  I kept saying to myself, at the next change, I will stop.
[00:54:36]  Hartman kept playing on and on.
[00:54:38]  One by one, all the English pupils fell out, and most of the Russian women.
[00:54:42]  Only six or seven men, and I believe Jean de Saltzman, who was the dance teacher, was there, really hardcore woman.

=== Physical Reality Effort (16:08) ===

[00:54:51]  Gurdjieff stood watching intently.
[00:54:53]  Time lost the quality of before and after.
[00:54:56]  There was no past, there was no future, only the present agony of making my body move.
[00:55:03]  Gradually, I became aware that Gurdjieff was putting all his attention on me.
[00:55:10]  There was an unspoken demand that was at the same time an encouragement and also a promise.
[00:55:16]  I must not give up, even if it killed me.
[00:55:20]  Suddenly, I was filled with the influx of immense power.
[00:55:23]  My body seemed to have turned into a light.
[00:55:26]  I could not feel its presence in the usual ways.
[00:55:28]  There was no effort, no pain, no weariness, not even any sense of weight.
[00:55:33]  I felt an intense gratitude towards Gurdjieff and Thomas DeHartman, but they had quietly gone off, having dismissed the class, leaving me quiet and alone.
[00:55:44]  My own state was blissful beyond anything I had ever known.
[00:55:50]  This is very interesting.
[00:55:53]  He had broken through to some other understanding, but it took Gurdjieff putting him through these movements to do it while he was sick.
[00:56:02]  So we can see that sometimes, Incredibly difficult circumstances, we develop a kind of a crystallization of an ability that we couldn't get.
[00:56:11]  And it breaks through into something else, which is he's no longer a victim of his body's illness.
[00:56:16]  He's moved into some blissful state.
[00:56:20]  And there's some interaction there with the movements and Gurdjieff's attention that allow him to do it.
[00:56:25]  This is a very unusual mystery school transmission, which is you have to be in a particular state in order to accept it.
[00:56:33]  You don't have to be in a sick state, but you have to be in a state where.
[00:56:38]  You're willing to go beyond the norms of what you can endure.
[00:56:45]  And sometimes that can be just as simple as walking instead of taking Uber.
[00:56:50]  I mean, there are different ways to look at this.
[00:56:53]  It's not always that you're going to go climb a mountain and discover this, but it's that not always taking the easy road.
[00:57:01]  And I think the thing that awakened in Bennett then was that he understood there was a different quality to life, there was a different ability inside him that he wasn't aware of.
[00:57:11]  And this excited him greatly.
[00:57:12]  But it was 1923, and Gurdjieff said to him, Look, you're going to wind up doing this.
[00:57:17]  You're going to wind up doing a fourth way school.
[00:57:19]  Why not just do it with me here now?
[00:57:22]  There's so much we can do.
[00:57:23]  He saw a lot in Bennett, but Bennett was still relatively young in his early 20s.
[00:57:29]  And he said, Well, you know, he did that thing where I'm going to come back.
[00:57:31]  You know, I just need to make some money and I'll come back and I'll do this.
[00:57:34]  And then he procrastinated and it didn't happen.
[00:57:36]  But he wound up working with Uspensky for many years.
[00:57:41]  And one of the interesting things that happened, though, that I should mention to him, About him is that he wanted one of the things he asked Gurdjieff to do is allow him to show him how to do astral travel.
[00:57:53]  And Gurdjieff's like, Oh, that's easy.
[00:57:55]  Use this exercise.
[00:57:57]  Two fingers and breath work.
[00:57:58]  Okay.
[00:57:59]  So he goes into this trance state, and Gurdjieff says, Go off in that room and go do it.
[00:58:04]  So he's there.
[00:58:05]  He's doing the movement, concentration, and nothing happens.
[00:58:09]  He goes back to Gurdjieff, and Gurdjieff says, Look, just go back and try it.
[00:58:13]  It's going to work.
[00:58:14]  And Bennett is like, Is there anything I'm doing wrong?
[00:58:16]  You know, and Gurgis, like you're probably doing everything wrong, but go back and try it anyway.
[00:58:21]  So he goes back and he tries it again, and suddenly he lifts out of his body.
[00:58:26]  The miraculous happens.
[00:58:28]  He's up there in the corner of the room looking down at his body in a chair.
[00:58:32]  And he sees at that point that he's totally out of his body, and Gurdjieff comes in the room.
[00:58:37]  And he sees Gurdjieff from this astral state looking at his body, which is tranced out.
[00:58:44]  And then Gurdjieff looks up at his astral body and sparks, kind of like, I guess you figured it out, and then leaves.
[00:58:50]  So we can see that from the mystery school vantage point, things like out of body experiences or astral travel.
[00:58:58]  Are kind of first level stuff.
[00:59:00]  It's first and second grade level stuff.
[00:59:02]  And so that's a powerful understanding, I think, for us on this end of the spectrum, which is once they get past, you know, once a student gets past the fascination with the psychic faculty, it becomes a tool that you use as opposed to something that's this miraculous thing that happened out of the blue.
[00:59:19]  And, you know, you can imagine if it happened to any average person, of course, this is a remarkable thing because we didn't know we had this ability because we've been trained from childhood that we.
[00:59:31]  Are scientifically not capable of doing this.
[00:59:35]  But it turns out we are.
[00:59:37]  So, this is the nature of what's happening here and the tension and the struggle between the mystery schools and the scientific materialism.
[00:59:44]  And in the middle are people in society who are trying to figure out where their place is in relation to this.
[00:59:52]  And on one side, the scientific materialism is swooping in and saying, aha, this can be weighed and measured.
[00:59:58]  You are basically just somebody who's going to live a certain amount of time and then that's it.
[01:00:03]  And you are the product of a number of natural things that happen, but there's no God in relation to it and there's nothing supernatural going on.
[01:00:13]  And then the mystery schools are like, no, no.
[01:00:15]  The physical reality is one small aspect of the human being.
[01:00:19]  And the society is trained to stamp that down and stamp that out.
[01:00:23]  And I think that's really where we get the big setup for what will happen with these guys in the next stage.
[01:00:28]  Yes, Ms. Olivia.
[01:00:29]  David Donaway was asking, didn't Bennett have a previous out of body experience at the In the front of World War I when he was injured?
[01:00:38]  Yeah, you know, that's a really good point.
[01:00:40]  He did.
[01:00:41]  He was blown up by a shell, actually, which I have to say this happened to Ernest Hemingway as well.
[01:00:46]  And they leave their body and they suddenly develop this understanding that, oh, this is a lot more than just my regular everyday life.
[01:00:54]  But I would say where that was a kind of a traumatic thing and it was under conditions, maybe they couldn't be trusted because, you know, he got knocked in the head or whatever, you know, that's one thing.
[01:01:05]  But the Gurdjieff experience where he's sick.
[01:01:08]  And Bennett is doing the movements and then feels this incredible sense of well being, this incredible sense of attunement and consciousness.
[01:01:16]  I think that was the real breakthrough moment where he was like, oh, yeah.
[01:01:20]  But great point.
[01:01:21]  Bennett had a number of unusual experiences.
[01:01:24]  One of my favorite things that he describes is there's a certain point where he's training as a soldier and he's walking around in London and they have these grates set up and below them are all these criminals and he can see.
[01:01:39]  Walking along a sidewalk, all the criminals lined up to be transported.
[01:01:43]  And he said, There's just something fundamental and something fundamentally wrong with the conditions on planet Earth.
[01:01:51]  What is going on here?
[01:01:52]  There are these people held in these cages and they are capable of committing crimes and stuff.
[01:02:01]  The imbalance of the situation struck him that he couldn't go on just some regular way.
[01:02:05]  He had to find a deeper method.
[01:02:06]  Now, I will say this about Bennett.
[01:02:08]  He could have very easily gone into a safe life, like I said, with politics.
[01:02:13]  He was big.
[01:02:14]  With environmental companies, companies that wanted to develop coal.
[01:02:19]  There's a number of professional connections that he had, but he kept coming back to this work, and it's thankful for us that he did.
[01:02:29]  I want to remind everyone you're watching the Dark Journalist program.
[01:02:32]  We're going deep on J.G. Bennett, who was the mystery school, passed down mystery school initiate from the Gurdjieff tradition through Ospensky and through working directly with Gurdjieff.
[01:02:43]  Yes.
[01:02:44]  I'm already battered by these questions.
[01:02:48]  We are getting a lot of questions.
[01:02:49]  Yes, let's start it out.
[01:02:50]  Go for it.
[01:02:51]  Glovearm wanted to know how does being a Spy affects one energetically, and I would say psychically, right?
[01:02:58]  Well, you might be referencing the fact that Gurdjieff did some work as a spy, and this is what caused a great gap between him and Ospensky.
[01:03:07]  What happens is, and I want to point out in their relationship, we should really get a snapshot of who these people are.
[01:03:15]  And Olivia, I think you said that Ospensky looked kind of emo in this show.
[01:03:18]  I know.
[01:03:19]  He does.
[01:03:20]  My heart goes out to him.
[01:03:21]  And he, of course, loved the kitties.
[01:03:23]  Here's the thing.
[01:03:25]  When we get right down to it, Ouspensky was Gurdjieff's understudy, and we have Gurdjieff here sitting with this very determined pose, and all the rest.
[01:03:33]  And here is Ouspensky back here, just kind of shrinking in the face of the master.
[01:03:40]  They had this relationship, and he had learned so much from him.
[01:03:43]  He had discovered the miraculous through Gurdjieff, yes, but at the same time, he felt that Gurdjieff did a number of things that were unnecessary.
[01:03:50]  He called it unnecessary acting.
[01:03:52]  He created fights, he created dissension.
[01:03:55]  He was always testing people, and in the sense of them being students and all the rest of it, yes, but he also felt at a certain point that he had a part company with him.
[01:04:05]  And it was very painful because he had discovered him, and it was the greatest discovery of his life and worked with him for 10 years.
[01:04:11]  But he saw that the way that Gurdjieff was working was changing.
[01:04:14]  And he felt in his own mind, no one quite understood exactly what it was that drove him out.
[01:04:20]  But what's interesting is if you really know your Spensky history, you know that he wrote a book called Talks with a Devil.
[01:04:26]  Which is quite unusual.
[01:04:28]  And he wrote some fiction in relation to his other work.
[01:04:31]  One of them is called The Strange Life of Ivan Osakin.
[01:04:34]  And when you see stories like Groundhog Day, it's all about recurrence.
[01:04:37]  And he keeps waking up and having the same life over and over again.
[01:04:40]  It's quite an interesting book.
[01:04:43]  But in the introduction of Talks with a Devil, we get finally the indication from J.G. Bennett himself about why Ospensky decided to part with Gurdjieff.
[01:04:51]  And I'm going to read that to you here because it's good timing.
[01:04:56]  And.
[01:04:59]  What Bennett says is, Uspensky's personal position was extremely sensitive, and it says much for his loyalty to Gurdjieff that he persisted in trying to arrange for the necessary permits that is, for Gurdjieff to come over to the UK to teach, even though he had broken up associating with him.
[01:05:17]  It was not until two years later, in the spring of 24, that Uspensky completely changed his attitude and advised all of his own pupils to have nothing more to do with Gurdjieff.
[01:05:26]  According to Boris Muriaveth, who had known Uspensky in Russia, And had first met Gurdjieff in Turkey in 1921, Uspensky turned away from Gurdjieff on moral grounds.
[01:05:38]  This is very interesting.
[01:05:40]  In an unpublished study of Uspensky and Gurdjieff, Moriabyev describes a visit to Paris immediately after Gurdjieff's nearly fatal accident in 1921 and recalls Uspensky's outbursts If someone close to you, your near relative, turned out to be a criminal, what would you do?
[01:06:01]  Whatever it was that Gurdjieff was up to, Ospensky felt it was criminal.
[01:06:05]  There's a lot of indications that he was spying because remember, Bennett was spying on Gurdjieff in the first place because Gurdjieff was meeting with this Turkish prince.
[01:06:14]  So there's a lot of very interesting intrigue that goes on on those levels.
[01:06:18]  But I think that Aspensky, coming more from a moralistic standpoint, didn't feel it was right for someone who had come out of the mystery schools to be working with governments and spying and influencing situations that way.
[01:06:30]  You know, we have to remember that at the time in Russia, they had come out of this kind of purge of the royal family and stuff.
[01:06:39]  So there was a lot of this kind of thing going on.
[01:06:42]  Rasputin was part of that.
[01:06:43]  So this is probably an echo of that with Aspensky.
[01:06:48]  And what Bennett says is look, such attitudes exemplify the ascetic.
[01:06:52]  Puritanical side of Uspensky's nature, which was an insurmountable obstacle to his understanding of Gurdjieff.
[01:06:59]  That's really.
[01:07:00]  Well, didn't Gurdjieff also sleep with his students?
[01:07:03]  Don't we know this?
[01:07:03]  That he bore him children?
[01:07:06]  Yeah, I don't think that this, when he says criminal, that's a kind of like a human weakness situation.
[01:07:16]  Uspensky doesn't seem to get so much in that.
[01:07:19]  But he's kind of a prude.
[01:07:20]  He is kind of a prude.
[01:07:21]  I think that's a good thing to point out.
[01:07:23]  But no, I think he's really saying here that it's something.
[01:07:25]  That has impact because criminal is a very large word, you know.
[01:07:30]  So, what he says is Gurdjieff was not concerned with differences between people, materialist or spiritualist, brutish or cultured, evil or good, but with objective significance of human life, or as he himself put it, the sense and purpose of human existence on the earth.
[01:07:49]  The difference stands out if we compare the books written by Uspensky before and after this meeting with Gurdjieff in 1915.
[01:07:56]  Uspensky's reputation, particularly in pre 1915, 1914 Russia rests mainly on his remarkable tertium organum, the central theme of which is the need to go beyond logical thinking if we're to understand the nature of the real world.
[01:08:12]  Western readers know Uspensky mainly through his book and through In Search of the Miraculous.
[01:08:17]  The first is entirely his own, and the second is almost entirely Gurdjieff.
[01:08:21]  And that's a good point.
[01:08:22]  If you want Uspensky, tertium organum, that's him.
[01:08:25]  And that includes quotes from Blavatsky, his information on Steiner.
[01:08:29]  I mean, he's really deep in the traditional mystery school level.
[01:08:32]  By the time he does insert to the miraculous, he's been consumed by Gurdjieff's work, and it's completely gone in the other direction from the mystery school traditions of theosophy and anthroposophy.
[01:08:43]  So I think that gives us an idea there of their split.
[01:08:46]  Now, what happens is uncomfortable for Bennett, because Bennett, at this juncture, he has a very interesting experience himself where Uspensky basically says, You can't mention Gurdjieff's name if you want to study with me.
[01:09:06]  Now he studies with Uspensky for 20 years and then Uspensky dies.
[01:09:12]  And then Gurdjieff, who's still alive, says, Bring you and all of Uspensky's pupils to me and I'll continue to teach you.
[01:09:20]  And he says that those two years that he spends with Gurdjieff at the end of Gurdjieff's life were worth all the other 20 of what he learned with Uspensky, even though he considered Uspensky one of the greatest teachers of all time.
[01:09:31]  Say that one more time for impact.
[01:09:34]  It is quite remarkable.
[01:09:37]  Bennett, who had spent two decades working with Uspensky, decided at a certain point that he had to go work with Gurdjieff when Uspensky died.
[01:09:50]  And Uspensky offered him, said, Bring Uspensky's students and yourself, and I'll teach you, continue to teach you.
[01:09:58]  And he basically said, You're sheep without a shepherd, kind of thing.
[01:10:03]  And when doing this work, it was so specific to Gurdjieff's teaching.
[01:10:08]  But Ospensky was the one who'd been teaching them for 20 years because he'd split with Gurdjieff and he wouldn't allow them to talk about or meet with Gurdjieff.
[01:10:15]  So now here's Gurdjieff saying, Here I am.
[01:10:17]  I originated the system, come to me.
[01:10:19]  And when Bennett went to work with Gurdjieff for the final two years of Gurdjieff's life, he said it was worth the entire two decades of the Ospenskys, those two years of his time working with Ospensky.
[01:10:31]  So, two years with Gurdjieff equaled better than 20 years with Ospensky.
[01:10:37]  What does that tell you?
[01:10:38]  It tells us that, and he knew that Ospensky was an incredible teacher, but it tells us that Ospensky had understood the information intellectually.
[01:10:47]  And that he had made great attempts, perhaps, but that Gurdjieff, because of his mystery school training, was transformative.
[01:10:55]  And because he could actually, in his presence, your energy changed.

=== Teacher Disillusionment Levels (15:30) ===

[01:10:59]  This is something I think which is quite important because it gets into different levels of what a teacher is.
[01:11:06]  There's all certain, you know, there's all different ways to reach out and say, well, I learned this by reading a book or whatever.
[01:11:13]  But actually, participating in a teaching is a very different matter and has more of a A transformative power because it's an energy exchange.
[01:11:21]  So I would say one thing reading a book or studying with someone intellectually awakens certain things within you, develops a kind of a magnetic attraction center, as they call it.
[01:11:30]  Can I tell you just on the energetic level that I think that Aspensky, there's a constricting quality to everything about him is tight and uptight and adhering to rules.
[01:11:44]  And with Gurdjieff, there's this expansive quality, things are open.
[01:11:48]  Maybe it's freeform, maybe it's a little chaotic.
[01:11:51]  But I think that that brings more spiritual insights.
[01:11:56]  It's, and just our nature is more expansive.
[01:11:59]  It is, it does respond to chaos more than to kind of tight restrictions.
[01:12:03]  Absolutely.
[01:12:04]  Yeah.
[01:12:04]  That's actually a fantastic point.
[01:12:06]  What it is really, when you get right down to it, is that Ospensky is coming from a place where he's disillusioned with life and he's arrived at the spiritual truth that the everyday reality that we have is not the whole, the real deal.
[01:12:20]  But he doesn't arrive.
[01:12:22]  At that joyfully, he arrives at that like we've been kind of thrown over and now we're abandoned on the shipwrecked island, we have to find our way out.
[01:12:30]  And so, it's a kind of a dour process.
[01:12:32]  Now, I say that with the Spensky being really one of my favorite authors of all time, but there's definitely that kind of Russian melancholy that goes along with him.
[01:12:40]  With Gurdjieff, one of the things that Bennett describes about him is he's out, you know, he's buying food and he's got all kinds of crazy artwork on the wall, he's making rugs.
[01:12:49]  You know, this is a guy who has the art of living down, but he can also be very hard to handle as a teacher because.
[01:12:56]  He can, on purpose, sort of browbeat somebody down in public in order to strip away their ego, you know, to get them really working with who they are and dropping all facades in order to do this kind of work.
[01:13:08]  Because, in truth, facades don't work very well when you're dealing with a fourth way school.
[01:13:12]  There's nowhere to go, you know.
[01:13:15]  But it is quite fascinating, I think, the different levels and the appreciation that Bennett had for working directly with Gurdjieff.
[01:13:23]  And what happens is, at about 1945, two years before Spensky dies, Bennett decides, you know, even before he goes to Gurdjieff, he says, I've kind of had enough.
[01:13:35]  I don't think I can learn anymore from Uspensky.
[01:13:37]  So he says, I think it's inherent.
[01:13:39]  I have to teach.
[01:13:41]  So he decides that he's going to teach and he puts his shingle out as a fourth way teacher.
[01:13:47]  And Uspensky says, you know, none of my students could follow him.
[01:13:52]  He's banished from the work and all the rest of it.
[01:13:54]  So he kind of lost favor with Uspensky, which is a great disappointment to him as well.
[01:13:59]  And I think when we look at Bennett's life and we look at The impact that Aspensky had on it.
[01:14:06]  It's like that.
[01:14:06]  He learned all the basic intellectual side from Aspensky, but he could not break through to that real teaching until he went back to work with Gurdjieff.
[01:14:15]  And, you know, that also had its challenges.
[01:14:18]  There's no doubt about it.
[01:14:20]  And what he says, and I think is fascinating, is that it took him 46 years in order to take Gurdjieff's advice to start a fourth way school because he told him that in 1923.
[01:14:30]  And it's 1969 when he really says, okay, I'm starting Sherbourne.
[01:14:34]  Boom.
[01:14:34]  And there are a lot of interesting bumps along the way.
[01:14:37]  So let's keep trotting.
[01:14:39]  What do you got?
[01:14:40]  David Donaway again.
[01:14:41]  Has dark journalist DJ had something of this powerful experience himself?
[01:14:47]  Oh, I like to think so.
[01:14:48]  I certainly like to think so.
[01:14:49]  But I've been around enough of the Fourth Way work and the Steiner work to understand the afterglow of the magic that they're talking about, for sure.
[01:15:01]  So, for me, I would say that we're dealing with something which is an objective reality, that there is a kind of a super conscious state that we can study.
[01:15:12]  And, you know, even without the use of drugs or anything like that, but just.
[01:15:18]  Which we're capable of, and that there are different methods from the mystery schools that have been transmitted to the public.
[01:15:23]  You know, they're already transmitted out, we already have them.
[01:15:26]  This is the strange thing, they're available.
[01:15:29]  So, yes, we always have to be digging around and trying to find the footprints of where the mystery schools are.
[01:15:36]  But, and also, by the way, people use the term mystery school in a very flimsy fashion.
[01:15:41]  You see it, you know, things advertised about mystery schools or whatever.
[01:15:45]  That has nothing to do with any mystery schools.
[01:15:48]  They are, you know, public meeting groups around a certain idea, maybe, but a mystery school is a really high level of transmission.
[01:15:54]  And so those who have come out of them, like Gurdjieff, like Steiner, are on this level that is something we just don't see.
[01:16:02]  Okay, so I'm going to ask the question for the group that has not been asked.
[01:16:06]  So if you don't find a mystery school and you don't find a master, how can you get a direct transmission?
[01:16:16]  Well, I was just saying that the methods have been left.
[01:16:20]  So, you can work with the methods and bring something out inside of yourself.
[01:16:24]  There's no question about it.
[01:16:26]  What kind of meditation technique?
[01:16:27]  What book would you point to?
[01:16:28]  What exercises?
[01:16:30]  Well, I mean, we've done 48 episodes, there's a lot of good esoteric coverage in them.
[01:16:37]  But I always point to fundamental groups like the Mystery Schools, the public Mystery Schools, Anthroposophy, Rudolf Steiner's work.
[01:16:45]  I'm getting more into, okay, now this could be a little dangerous, but sort of like a Kundalini opening experience.
[01:16:49]  If you really want to have a direct transmission, Not just of wisdom, of you know, like a well, I think that you the lines that there are lines of work, right?
[01:16:59]  So you have to take the line of introducing yourself to mystery school work, and so the line of introducing yourself to mystery school work would be the Steiner techniques.
[01:17:10]  Look, even the Steiner techniques and knowledge of higher worlds, you are transformative, and that's literally just information on the pages of the book.
[01:17:19]  Um, Blavatsky's work, you know, in Isis Unveiled.
[01:17:24]  These things are there.
[01:17:25]  These methods are there.
[01:17:27]  Certainly, we certainly have enough methods.
[01:17:29]  The question is, how do we, what's the application?
[01:17:33]  And so I'm not so much interested, I guess, in like this idea of awakening the Kundalini is fundamental to the process of working with mystery schools and working with these kinds of ideas.
[01:17:50]  So I don't think I could recommend one method over another, but.
[01:17:54]  What I would say is that it seems to me that it's the Western mystery traditions that have been hidden.
[01:18:01]  And this is something that I think we need to come around to with anthroposophy, and that it's the Eastern schools that have kept the wisdom, but now the time is such that it's the Western mystery school tradition that needs to rise, and that we need more in this 21st century harmonic super materialist culture.
[01:18:21]  Kay Tower says that back in the 80s, Joseph Campbell said, We're moving beyond the gurus and we need to be our own masters.
[01:18:28]  Oh, absolutely.
[01:18:29]  And I think the whole word guru has developed.
[01:18:33]  Krishnamurti talks about this, you know, that he had met this incredible kind of Maharishi type guy.
[01:18:39]  And the guy, the whole time he met him, just wanted to brag about, hey, you know, I have students in Canada and I have students from Jamaica and I have students in Africa.
[01:18:48]  And he just wanted to talk and brag about how he had all these students.
[01:18:51]  And this is what happens.
[01:18:52]  The final test of so many gurus is that they get caught up with their own success.
[01:18:57]  I mean, I hate to point it out, but John of God, you know, this is somebody who obviously knew a great deal and had turned the whole thing into this incredible.
[01:19:08]  Yeah, I saw him at Omega.
[01:19:10]  Yes, I remember.
[01:19:12]  And, you know, well, we've known people.
[01:19:15]  It was otherworldly, I can tell you that much.
[01:19:17]  No question about it.
[01:19:18]  But again, the thing is the thrust of it, the nature of it is when they get into those positions, I guess it's kind of like the last temptation, which is if you go, you know, if you reach a certain level of understanding these things and then go against the principles, then you're shot.
[01:19:35]  Then you wind up in those types of circumstances.
[01:19:38]  It is interesting.
[01:19:39]  There's a line in the New Testament that I remind you it's like, it's better if they had never taken the path in the first place than to have gone halfway and turned.
[01:19:49]  So I think that that's a very important thing to look into.
[01:19:52]  But again, there's a lot of human fallibility when you get into these things.
[01:19:57]  The important thing for us is not who screwed up and who didn't, it's which ones brought forward information that we can use now in the 21st century.
[01:20:09]  What is it that the mystery schools are trying to communicate to us?
[01:20:13]  And this is something I think that we have to go back to Gurdjieff's work for.
[01:20:17]  Before Bennett died, he put together something called Gurdjieff Making a New World, which was his entire summation of the Gurdjieff work, which I think is quite remarkable.
[01:20:33]  So he talks a great deal about how Gurdjieff had arrived at his teaching in the schools that he was a part of and all the rest of it.
[01:20:42]  But something came up which I found was very, very interesting.
[01:20:46]  And he talks about when Gurdjieff had met Ospensky and he was 40 years old.
[01:20:51]  Remember, you have to be 40 or older in order to be a mystery school teacher.
[01:20:56]  If anyone tells you differently, it doesn't hold water.
[01:20:59]  The entire tradition starts at 40 as a teacher.
[01:21:04]  There are many levels up to being a teacher of mystery school traditions, but you have to start as a teacher when you're 40.
[01:21:12]  Something fundamental and it involves stages of evolution physically, mentally, spiritually.
[01:21:20]  So they don't, it's not allowed.
[01:21:24]  Now, what's interesting is something that Gurdjieff happened to say, Bennett happened to say in relation to Gurdjieff.
[01:21:30]  I found fascinating on this.
[01:21:32]  So I'm going to read this to you and then we're going to dig into it.
[01:21:34]  Also, in the second part of the program now coming up, we're going to be taking your questions.
[01:21:39]  And so ask the questions all in caps.
[01:21:41]  We're going deep now into the mystery schools.
[01:21:43]  I like this because, you know.
[01:21:46]  This is an area that is not always, you know, it's sort of impenetrable for someone who's just looking for a quick sound bite or a quick headline.
[01:21:57]  When you go into the mystery school traditions in the background of J.G. Bennett, it's fascinating stuff.
[01:22:03]  And so we're glad you're along for the ride.
[01:22:05]  Quote, Bennett writing about Gurdjieff and Gurdjieff was now 40 years old.
[01:22:12]  Gurdjieff describes him as a man of oriental type when he met him, no longer young, with a black mustache, with piercing eyes.
[01:22:18]  Who gives the impression of a man poorly disguised?
[01:22:21]  This is interesting.
[01:22:21]  People have always said this about Gurdjieff, along with the fact that he could seem to shape shift into different identities.
[01:22:29]  Uspensky says In fact, it's the sight of a man who embarrasses you because you see he is not what he pretends to be, and yet you have to speak and behave as though you do not see it.
[01:22:40]  So Gurdjieff is kind of playing it undercover.
[01:22:42]  You know, he's showing up in French suits and stuff, but he's actually a Raja underneath there.
[01:22:50]  This sense of remoteness remained throughout Aspensky's time with Gurdjieff, and it finally led to Aspensky making a separation between Gurdjieff and his ideas.
[01:22:59]  The consequences of this separation were far reaching and led ultimately to a complete breakdown in the relationship between these two extraordinary men.
[01:23:07]  And that is where I want to figure Bennett in.
[01:23:10]  He kind of comes in in the gap between the separation of these two great thinkers, between these two extraordinary men.
[01:23:21]  Fortunately, Aspensky recorded and subsequently published the greater part of what.
[01:23:25]  Gurdjieff taught during their four years that they were in contact.
[01:23:29]  So far as I am concerned, this material, which Ospensky used for his own teaching in the years 1922 to 1940, and he had his groups in London, constitutes the most valuable corpus of ideas and methods that I have ever come across in 50 years of searching.
[01:23:44]  You see the impact that the Gurdjieff work made on Bennett.
[01:23:48]  He had seen, he was a big fan of the Steiner work, he was a big fan of theosophy, he had studied it, he had lived it.
[01:23:56]  He had gone through these other things like Sabood, which we're going to touch on in a minute here.
[01:24:01]  But it was the Gurdjieff work.
[01:24:03]  It was the Gurdjieff-Ospensky work that was the most important thing that he ran across.
[01:24:07]  And there's a reason for that because it's true mystery school tradition.
[01:24:10]  And it has its practical application in daily life.
[01:24:13]  It's not a lofty fantasy that we can roll into.
[01:24:16]  It's not like, thus spake the Arcturians, where you just get this information and you don't know what to do with it.
[01:24:23]  Okay.
[01:24:29]  It was the most important information for him, but he says, nevertheless, something essential was missing.
[01:24:36]  That's important too.
[01:24:38]  Not only did Gurdjieff say nothing, or at least nothing was reported by Aspensky about his work in Central Asia and the aims that he had set himself in coming to Russia, but he gave the impression that the work depended exclusively on personal effort and that each man had to make that for himself.
[01:24:57]  The idea, which is so important in Christian doctrine, of enabling grace.
[01:25:04]  Without which work on oneself is impossible was never mentioned, nor was the Sufi notion of baraka, which refers to the same supernatural action that must be transmitted from person to person.
[01:25:16]  I have no doubt that Gurdjieff was fully aware of the importance of this action because he spoke to me personally about it only five years later at Fontainebleau.
[01:25:26]  So, what he's saying there is there's this emphasis in the fourth way system on work and how you need to work on oneself and you kind of create.
[01:25:37]  The evolutionary track by working with the principles.
[01:25:40]  And he's saying that in these other mystical Christianity traditions, there's an action that's described, which is when you submit yourself to this work, there's some kind of saving grace energy that enables you and helps you.
[01:25:56]  And it's interesting because it's undeniable that this kind of divine grace, this what Goethe called providence, Comes in when we make decisions, when we move in this direction and helps us and enables us.
[01:26:12]  And Bennett is thinking after this time of working on this that there's too much emphasis on just you being able to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, even though that was a great antidote to what had happened with Theosophy, where everyone started thinking about ascended masters and getting too cosmic, completely ungrounded.

=== Spiritual Communication Flow (14:38) ===

[01:26:30]  So, boom, the Gurdjieff work comes in and you're working with incredibly physical principles and you're working with, you know, you're not floating out there in fantasy and you're, uh, You're getting rid of unnecessary talking and you're preserving, you know, you're not daydreaming, things like that.
[01:26:47]  You're working, you know, people show up and they think they're going to have an intellectual discussion with Gurdjieff at his villa.
[01:26:54]  And he says, Good, let's go garden together, you know, let's chop wood, let's do all that, you know, and it's always physical.
[01:27:01]  So this is a very interesting thing.
[01:27:03]  It's that action that takes place that he's emphasizing, which is you need to get back in your body in order to discover things.
[01:27:11]  But the question is, once you're back in your body, then what?
[01:27:15]  You've developed these abilities, but that spiritual communication, that spiritual flow, is something that needs to be reintroduced.
[01:27:23]  And he felt that it was missing in the Gurdjieff work.
[01:27:25]  Isn't that fascinating?
[01:27:27]  So here we have a work that grounds you back to yourself, but and you get out of fantasy and you're getting along with a true track.
[01:27:37]  But he felt there needed to be something else.
[01:27:39]  And so when Gurdjieff and Uspensky passed away, Bennett felt kind of adrift by the 1950s.
[01:27:48]  But he was fired up to say, you know, one of the interesting things that when he went to the deathbed of Gurdjieff, he's there with him and he says, you know, I'm here for you.
[01:28:03]  And like, is there anything you want to tell me?
[01:28:07]  And Gurdjieff says, what a fine mess you're in.
[01:28:09]  Of course, this is right after World War II.
[01:28:12]  I can see what he's saying.
[01:28:14]  Interesting guy there.
[01:28:15]  So we're going to roll now into the 50s and how Bennett became.
[01:28:19]  His own teacher and how he brought forward Coombe Springs and Sherborne and Claymont Communications.
[01:28:27]  Just fascinating work from a fascinating individual.
[01:28:30]  I'm going to remind everyone you're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
[01:28:34]  We are on episode 48, which is J.G. Bennett, Gurdjieff Mystery School Initiate.
[01:28:40]  And just shortly, we're going to be taking your questions with Miss Olivia and ask them all in caps.
[01:28:47]  So we'll just kind of roll through them a lot better that way.
[01:28:51]  Gurdjieff.
[01:28:52]  And the fourth way mystery schools give us a better understanding, I think, of what that relationship is between humanity and the inner circle of humanity.
[01:29:03]  And that there seems to be fundamental at every tradition a group that has preserved knowledge about human evolutionary processes and our own kind of hidden spirituality.
[01:29:16]  And that we need to rediscover what that teaching is and those methods in ourselves as we're being swamped and overwhelmed in the 21st century.
[01:29:25]  With kind of a technological terror.
[01:29:28]  And it's going to be crucial that we discover that.
[01:29:32]  So, the emphasis on people who have gained that wisdom and try to bring it back for us, I think, is absolutely essential.
[01:29:39]  And, Miss Olivia, while I switch to the 1950s here, if you have something, go for it.
[01:29:44]  So many good questions.
[01:29:46]  Okay.
[01:29:46]  So, Moondance wanted to know how did the Gurdjieff movements compare with Steiner's Eurythmie?
[01:29:52]  Well, it's interesting because there's a character named Del Crowes who worked both on Steiner's Eurythmie, which, again, is very much like those temple movements.
[01:30:02]  Dances that Gurdjieff was doing, the movements that had spiritual significance and would develop into a whole, you know, kind of ballet.
[01:30:14]  And then you have the Gurdjieff movements.
[01:30:17]  And so there is definitely a tie over, which is the mystery schools not only reintroducing conceptual information, but remember, the mystery schools also experiment with humanity at different stages.
[01:30:32]  And I think what they were doing was saying, look, Let's give them these concepts.
[01:30:36]  Let's let these things out.
[01:30:37]  Let's let these certain practices out.
[01:30:40]  But now let's let them see the movements and see if that doesn't inspire something in them.
[01:30:44]  Let's see if they don't take that up.
[01:30:46]  Remember, the mystery schools aren't an organization that comes in and tells you all these rules and what to do.
[01:30:53]  They are there and they're there to be discovered.
[01:30:57]  So they're there for you to seek them out.
[01:31:01]  And the information that they have left behind aren't like footprints, and that their actions become easy to read after a while.
[01:31:09]  I believe that information that we brought forward in the X Steganography series is part of that process.
[01:31:17]  It's part of what they've left behind.
[01:31:19]  And as we follow up and discover where that X is going, where it came from, where it's leading to, there's kind of an expansion in our own consciousness.
[01:31:28]  And I think a lot of people have felt that.
[01:31:30]  I've had long conversations with people.
[01:31:33]  And I think some of this is kind of what people felt when they discovered the Rosetta Stone and could read hieroglyphs, because this whole other world opens up that we're just unaware of completely.
[01:31:43]  I'm going to interrupt and ask a question.
[01:31:45]  Yes.
[01:31:45]  Oh, yeah.
[01:31:47]  So, do you think that if we got to it collectively, a certain amount of the population of the world got to a certain level of spiritual development, the mystery schools would release more information because we'd be ready for it?
[01:32:04]  Yeah.
[01:32:05]  And I'll tell you an interesting thing there, which is Bennett asked this question, and I'm going to kind of paraphrase the answer from Gurdjieff, but he basically said, Why do the mystery schools conceal so much of the information if it can be helpful to humanity?
[01:32:23]  And Gurdjieff's answer was really interesting.
[01:32:26]  It was that no, they don't conceal it, actually.
[01:32:28]  They don't conceal the information.
[01:32:30]  They're not obsessed with hiding the information, they're trying to develop people worthy of receiving it.
[01:32:36]  So they're very, very concerned with people and institutions like someone like Bennett, seemed like a very ideal.
[01:32:44]  How are they, well, how are they preparing us?
[01:32:49]  For potential initiation.
[01:32:51]  I'm sure the information, well, they've always had an influence on society.
[01:32:56]  Even if you look at the American Revolution, there's mystery school stamps all over it.
[01:33:02]  You see the impact in things like the Renaissance, et cetera, where they've let out these influences that spark the imagination artistically, spiritually of the culture.
[01:33:11]  And then the culture has a kind of an awakening, and then boom, like World War I happens, and they all go back into this mode.
[01:33:19]  Or we get into periods like the 90s where there's a lot of soul searching going on, and boom, 9 11 happens.
[01:33:25]  So there is this kind of progression of bringing us down into fear and constriction.
[01:33:31]  There's no question about it.
[01:33:32]  So, David Donaway again says So, when the student is ready, the master appears.
[01:33:37]  Let's say on an individual level, because I know we have ambitious people in the audience, and I am one.
[01:33:43]  So, if we wanted to be a potential initiate for Mystery School, work with the Great White Brotherhood, something of that sort, what is suggested in the literature to make oneself worthy and prepared for that?
[01:34:01]  Well, it's interesting.
[01:34:03]  The people who Sought out groups like the Great White Brotherhood, which is kind of the top mystery school.
[01:34:11]  And the reference to white there is about the white aura that they have.
[01:34:14]  This has nothing to do with race.
[01:34:18]  The Great White Brotherhood is something that exists on an etheric level and on a physical level.
[01:34:25]  So I think what we get, if somebody wanted to join those schools, people like Gurdjieff, people like Blavatsky, they sought them out.
[01:34:34]  They physically sought them out.
[01:34:35]  They wanted to find them.
[01:34:38]  But I would say this that's something that Bennett points out, which is that, you know, those centers, like the main center for the Sarmoon Brotherhood was Mosul, which is in Iraq.
[01:34:48]  The map was different then.
[01:34:50]  Gurdjieff, in a sense, had it easier to find these groups and to work with them because before World War I hit, before World War II, they were accessible on some level, even though it was incredibly difficult.
[01:35:04]  And there are other stories in relation to Blavatsky going to Tibet.
[01:35:09]  These conditions have changed.
[01:35:11]  The world is a lot more warlike in this sense, and it's very difficult.
[01:35:16]  You know, you just go try to go to Iraq to find a mystery school now.
[01:35:20]  I mean, it's a war torn country.
[01:35:24]  And so it's a very different type of situation.
[01:35:28]  But what I would say to really kind of answer your question is that the conditions in the fourth way are set in everyday life, remember.
[01:35:36]  So you would be applying principles in everyday life, and those principles would develop a magnetic center in you that would lead you.
[01:35:43]  To the next step.
[01:35:45]  So I don't think that the idea of finding the school is as practical as it was, say, in the day of Blavatsky and Gurdjieff.
[01:35:56]  But I do feel that discovering a school through work is definitely possible.
[01:36:02]  Go for it.
[01:36:02]  One more.
[01:36:03]  Okay, sure.
[01:36:03]  Fluffernutter says Can you please re describe how initiates were made to go out in public and beg and humiliate themselves?
[01:36:11]  That's true, actually.
[01:36:13]  Well, we use the story of De Hartman.
[01:36:16]  De Hartman was basically like, you know, the leader of the Boston Symphony Orchestra, but in Moscow.
[01:36:23]  And he was interested in the Gurdjieff work.
[01:36:25]  And he had met through these kind of like fancy artists.
[01:36:28]  He had come across the sculptors.
[01:36:30]  And it was this whole network that he was in.
[01:36:31]  But he and his wife were very well off and they had highbrow friends and all the rest of it.
[01:36:37]  And so Gurdjieff said, they said, we want to learn the deeper teaching and work with you directly.
[01:36:43]  And he said, okay, well, what I'm going to do with you.
[01:36:47]  To Thomas DeHartman, is you need to do three things for me.
[01:36:51]  And there's a number of things he did with him, but the one I'm going to describe is that he had him stand in a corner and beg outside of the symphony where he is the director.
[01:37:01]  And it was this level of people being shocked at his great downfall and all the rest of it, and him losing that connection to his ego and his identity.
[01:37:11]  It's a pretty hardcore suggestion.
[01:37:16]  And I do feel that Gurdjieff, like Blavatsky, knew how to.
[01:37:21]  To do this, to bring the best out of a student by really crippling their ego.
[01:37:24]  But it does not sound like an easy process.
[01:37:26]  I'm not so sure.
[01:37:27]  I would be too happy to go through it.
[01:37:29]  But I will say this that De Hartman, as a result of that, got to work directly on the Gurdjieff De Hartman music.
[01:37:37]  And Gurdjieff gave him all of the secret temple music and they developed it.
[01:37:42]  And you can find it.
[01:37:43]  It's actually available if you search for Gurdjieff De Hartman music.
[01:37:46]  It's some of the most beautiful, enchanting music and it relates to higher states.
[01:37:51]  So it's quite remarkable.
[01:37:54]  But I do think that that's very important.
[01:37:57]  And bringing this back to Bennett, look.
[01:38:00]  Bennett took this movement that he had spent time with, had been transformed by, and brought it into the 60s and the 70s as something that became a great inspiration.
[01:38:12]  People like Robert Fripp were, he was a great guitarist, and other people were very attracted to the incredible idea of people working together for spiritual advancement, but not using traditional trappings of religion, but using these fourth way techniques.
[01:38:29]  And I think that this becomes the important.
[01:38:32]  Place because when we see where the Sarmoon Brotherhood penetrated into Western culture, it penetrated through Gurdjieff and through the Enneagram ideas and through Uspensky's work.
[01:38:43]  Of course, Uspensky brought forward Gurdjieff's most essential work in Search the Miraculous.
[01:38:46]  Bennett said so himself.
[01:38:48]  So when we look at it like that, we're really looking at the impact through history that the Sarmoon Brotherhood made.
[01:38:56]  But where did that thread lead?
[01:38:57]  It led ultimately to Bennett and his work in the 60s and 70s, developing these kinds of Cultures and giving the youth movements something to work toward in order to be ready for this incredible onslaught of the technological world that was coming their way.
[01:39:12]  What I like about the mystery schools and the teachings that we get through Bennett and Ospensky and Gurdjieff is that they're very aware that the culture is going to turn into this transhumanist robotic nightmare.
[01:39:25]  Over and over again, Gurdjieff refers to modern man and his period as machines, and he's saying they're sleeping machines.
[01:39:32]  And in World War II, where he saw these people.
[01:39:34]  You know, he said 100,000 sleeping machines on one side, 100,000 sleeping machines on the other.
[01:39:39]  That's a very dangerous situation.
[01:39:42]  So he was already employing this language of machines and how if we could stop, if we could become conscious and stop being a machine, we could be able to survive this incredible onslaught that was being unleashed.
[01:39:55]  And remember, in Steiner's term, this is being unleashed by these harmonic forces.
[01:40:01]  It's an astral problem that is sweeping in through technology.
[01:40:07]  So, it's a spiritual crisis.
[01:40:10]  From the Gurdjieff work, it is a crisis in human affairs.
[01:40:14]  And we need to connect with that wisdom that's been preserved in order to survive and to thrive into the 21st century, or else we can obviously see what happens.
[01:40:27]  It's pretty obvious to see what will happen if we don't.
[01:40:29]  We'll put it to you that way.
[01:40:30]  And we've already seen culture degraded pretty hardcore.
[01:40:34]  So, if it continues on this track without the intervention of the mystery schools, Or without us getting it, then it's a pretty dire situation if you were to flash forward to say the year 2100.
[01:40:47]  You wouldn't want to see what was coming there.
[01:40:50]  It reminds me very much of the choice the mystery schools had to make in 1840, seeing World War II and all those things coming up in the future, and how that scientific materialism would lead us into those places.
[01:41:02]  So I think we're at a very interesting crossroads, I'll put it to you that way.
[01:41:04]  A couple of quick things about Bennett.

=== Subud Controversy Lesson (14:36) ===

[01:41:09]  So Bennett.
[01:41:12]  He decides at a certain point that he needs to develop an ideal community working around the fourth wave principles.
[01:41:20]  But what happens is that he gets into a situation where he's starting to look at these things and he's getting pulled in different directions.
[01:41:29]  And he runs across something called Subud, which is this movement based around an individual named Pak Suba who is in Indonesia and has had this incredible transformative vision and now has healing powers.
[01:41:45]  So I guess the best way to describe Subud is that for people who understand Reiki and becoming a Reiki master and things like this, He is somebody who's bringing that type of technique through.
[01:41:57]  So when he puts his hands on someone, they have this electrifying experience.
[01:42:02]  When they practice his exercises, when they exchange these energies, this is what takes place.
[01:42:09]  So we're looking at something which sounded very enticing to him because Gurdjieff had said Look, even though it's in the West, will be the final showdown with my work going forward, my immediate success will come out of the East.
[01:42:23]  So, this actually set Bennett up for a number of interesting experiences and missteps.
[01:42:28]  Let's get into a couple.
[01:42:30]  One of the missteps is this fellow named Idris Shah.
[01:42:33]  I just want to point him out briefly.
[01:42:37]  Shah's pointed out as an expert in Sufism, and he's somebody who contacted Bennett, who had developed a pretty robust community in the 60s in Coombs Springs in England.
[01:42:49]  And it was definitely a fourth way oriented school.
[01:42:55]  And what happened was Shaw came along and he said, Oh, I'm from the guardians of the tradition, and I'm who Gurdjieff said you were waiting for, and all the rest of it.
[01:43:05]  And what happens in essence is that Shaw bamboozles Bennett into signing over Coombe Springs to him because he's like, I'm basically the new Gurdjieff, and you can work with me just like you worked with him.
[01:43:18]  But your first move is to sign it over to me, and all the rest of it.
[01:43:22]  Somehow, I don't know how, Bennett, with all of his savvy and all the rest of it, fell for this routine.
[01:43:29]  From Shaw.
[01:43:30]  Was it lack of willpower?
[01:43:32]  Lack of.
[01:43:33]  I was just saying.
[01:43:34]  Yeah, isn't that interesting?
[01:43:35]  Yeah, it's authority.
[01:43:36]  He did not own his own authority.
[01:43:38]  Absolutely.
[01:43:39]  That's a good point, actually.
[01:43:40]  The other thing, too, is that he was used to having teachers.
[01:43:43]  He was used to Uspensky leading him spiritually.
[01:43:45]  He was used to Gurdjieff leading him.
[01:43:47]  And here he was.
[01:43:48]  He was the main guy now.
[01:43:49]  Right.
[01:43:50]  But he thought of himself as a perpetual student.
[01:43:52]  I understand this.
[01:43:53]  Yeah, he thought.
[01:43:54]  And he also had this prediction by Gurdjieff, which is my successor will first come out of the East.
[01:43:59]  Well, as it turns out, you say you understand this.
[01:44:02]  I do.
[01:44:03]  Well, that's a good thing to be a perpetual student.
[01:44:05]  Like I said, I think it is, but at a certain point, you've got to take that authority.
[01:44:08]  You have to own your own authority.
[01:44:10]  Yes.
[01:44:11]  Excellent point.
[01:44:13]  Well, I also like that Bennett calls his autobiography the story of a search.
[01:44:18]  This isn't somebody who says, I found it.
[01:44:21]  He's telling you, this is what I search for.
[01:44:23]  You're along with me in my search.
[01:44:26]  I want to remind everyone you're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
[01:44:29]  Wow, we're going deep, deep into the mystery school.
[01:44:33]  And through the figure of J.G. Bennett, who I think is one of the most unheralded teachers, but certainly one of the ones who had the greatest impact.
[01:44:42]  And I think that it is, in fact, the thread of the work he was doing that will take us through to the 21st century and the reemergence of the mystery school traditions and the real thing, not the marketing version.
[01:44:57]  And there'll be no dancing galactic ambassadors, I promise.
[01:45:00]  But.
[01:45:01]  Are you going to talk about Zach Girard says Bennett never condemned Shaw?
[01:45:05]  For that bamboo.
[01:45:06]  That's true.
[01:45:07]  It's true.
[01:45:08]  Excellent point.
[01:45:09]  As a matter of fact, Shah tried it again, but let's really talk about what Shah did here, because by the way, I won't read information from Shah, because Shah violated the first principles of the mystery schools, which is you don't use your abilities for trickery.
[01:45:25]  So Shah's work, called the Sufis, and his incredible studies of Sufism, may hold water, and intellectually he's a powerhouse, but he had no scruples.
[01:45:37]  And I think the incident with Bennett really shows that.
[01:45:40]  No, I mean, Ospensky and Gurdjieff.
[01:45:43]  Can you imagine what Gurdjieff would have said in relation to what Shaw did to Bennett?
[01:45:47]  He would have called Bennett an idiot and the other man a shyster.
[01:45:49]  I mean, you know, so there's no fourth way tradition that would include that.
[01:45:53]  And also, Shaw wrote a BS book, frankly, called The Teachers of Gurdjieff and said he went back and spoke to Gurdjieff's teachers.
[01:45:59]  Look, Shaw was a young guy and Gurdjieff had already died.
[01:46:04]  And that means his teachers were already like 300 years old, if you're going to do it that way.
[01:46:09]  So there's no way he went back and went to his teachers.
[01:46:11]  So that book is a lot of BS as well.
[01:46:13]  So, I think when you look at these traditions, you know, if somebody wants to take historical information from Shah based on his Sufism books, fine.
[01:46:21]  But let's not forget that in relation to Bennett, he acted like a rat.
[01:46:26]  And so, therefore, that turns me off of people.
[01:46:29]  When somebody does that, I'm, you know, I'm off that train.
[01:46:33]  But in any case, his work is out there.
[01:46:34]  And yes, people find him intellectually brilliant.
[01:46:37]  And I have no doubt that he had these amazing qualities in order to trick Bennett.
[01:46:41]  But what he does is very sneaky.
[01:46:42]  Let's say it.
[01:46:43]  Let's say what it is.
[01:46:45]  So he says, I'm the new teacher, I'm the Gurdjieff.
[01:46:48]  And I'm the one Gurdjieff predicted.
[01:46:50]  All you have to do is sign over Coombe Springs to me.
[01:46:54]  And so Bennett, in an extraordinary move, gets the whole board to sign over Coombe Springs under the control of Shaw.
[01:47:02]  And the first rule that Shaw makes in relation to this is that he bans Bennett from the grounds of Coombe Springs, his own resort, his own teaching center.
[01:47:12]  That's one.
[01:47:13]  Number two, he sells it as a real estate development, a condo, and collects a bunch of money.
[01:47:18]  And then he runs around calling himself a Sufi spiritualist teacher.
[01:47:22]  I don't buy it.
[01:47:23]  But in any case, I do think it's a fascinating story.
[01:47:26]  And it's a good lesson, a hard lesson, I think, for Bennett.
[01:47:30]  And again, Bennett, when he developed these other schools like Sherborne and Claymont, he did not ban Shah and he did not hold a grudge or anything like that.
[01:47:42]  He literally kept that door open for something real.
[01:47:46]  So he was acting in good faith, even though the other guy acted like a trickster.
[01:47:50]  Now, That leaves Bennett into this kind of fog of the late 60s, and he's kind of bummed out that that happened.
[01:48:00]  But he's also freed, and he's gone through the Subud where he embraces Subud for a time, and he writes the most amazing book.
[01:48:11]  I'm going to show this real briefly because I think it's worth a mention here.
[01:48:16]  This is an incredible book.
[01:48:17]  I don't know how easy it is to find.
[01:48:18]  I haven't tried to find it.
[01:48:19]  Can I just say something?
[01:48:21]  No, hold on, hold on just a second.
[01:48:23]  This is the book, it's concerning Subud.
[01:48:25]  And it's the story of a new spiritual force.
[01:48:27]  This is that group that he worked with from Indonesia.
[01:48:32]  And it was, in fact, the Subud was what they brought forward was this action that's very much like Reiki.
[01:48:39]  But something went awry with it.
[01:48:41]  And I'm going to describe that in a minute.
[01:48:43]  Yes.
[01:48:44]  Well, you know, I just had to ban Zach because he was flipping out that somehow you were lying.
[01:48:50]  Something about the Shah situation.
[01:48:54]  But, you know, I know that, you know, we've discussed.
[01:48:56]  Well, I mean, it's on the record.
[01:48:58]  I've.
[01:48:58]  You know, I've studied it and, um, is there a differing opinion out there?
[01:49:02]  No, no, no.
[01:49:03]  It's in witness, it's Bennett's, um, entire autobiography.
[01:49:08]  There, the story is there, it's undeniable.
[01:49:11]  There are people who like Shah just because of the fact that he's worked on the things, he's written about the Sufis, and they consider him a teacher.
[01:49:19]  He's a great intellect.
[01:49:21]  But for me, I'm very straight when it comes to mystery school work.
[01:49:26]  I have a radar for these things.
[01:49:28]  And the minute that Bennett started to talk about this bamboozling that took place, later there are people who come forward and say that Shah did that in order to teach Bennett a lesson.
[01:49:39]  You know, if you collect a couple million dollars in the back, then you're not.
[01:49:42]  Teaching anyone a lesson, you're collecting money and tricking somebody.
[01:49:45]  So, I don't go in for Shaw's work because of that.
[01:49:48]  And the story's there in witness.
[01:49:49]  I mean, you can judge it for yourself, but yeah, but yeah, I mean, we're here to have a real conversation about it.
[01:49:55]  And so, part of that conversation is that Shaw tricked Bennett out of Coombe Springs.
[01:50:01]  I mean, it's undeniable.
[01:50:04]  But I will say that Bennett didn't play it vindictively, and you know, it is to his great credit.
[01:50:11]  But for me, you know, I'm not going to get into work.
[01:50:14]  I think.
[01:50:14]  We've seen enough shysters around the New Age thing that I think it's important to call them out.
[01:50:18]  And so you notice on this program, I do it quite a bit.
[01:50:23]  Okay.
[01:50:25]  That's good, though.
[01:50:26]  A little controversy is always good.
[01:50:27]  Yes.
[01:50:28]  Concerning Subud is the name of the book.
[01:50:31]  This is a very interesting book.
[01:50:34]  Let's take a quick look at Pax Suba, whose real name is Muhammad Suba.
[01:50:42]  Wow.
[01:50:43]  Olivia, you're going to help me.
[01:50:44]  His last name here, the real name.
[01:50:47]  Oh my God.
[01:50:48]  Sumo Hadi Widjojo.
[01:50:53]  There you go.
[01:50:54]  I knew you were going to do that well.
[01:50:56]  But Pak Suba is really the shorthand.
[01:51:01]  And he's quite unusual, quite unusual.
[01:51:05]  And he was in Indonesia.
[01:51:06]  So again, this guy had the ring of, oh, maybe this is who Gurdjieff was talking about, his immediate successor being in Indonesia.
[01:51:13]  That's the East.
[01:51:14]  So Bennett went along.
[01:51:16]  Now, remember the little warning that Gurdjieff gave Bennett, which was that you're always starting things.
[01:51:20]  And here, you know, with Shah and with Sabud, he makes these mistakes.
[01:51:25]  Instead of going on the traditional line that he's working on, he starts something else.
[01:51:29]  So here he is working.
[01:51:32]  Now, what happens is, I'm going to do a shorthand here of Sabud.
[01:51:35]  I highly recommend Bennett's book on Sabud.
[01:51:38]  But then later he said he had to move away from it because it becomes controversial.
[01:51:44]  In essence, the action that comes out of Sabud is this thing called the Ladihan.
[01:51:51]  And the Latihan is like Reiki, except it has transformative powers, so that when people do these things, they become incredibly enlightened, or it's a healing that takes place that's profound, or they feel an incredible sense of well being and spiritual connectedness.
[01:52:10]  It's kind of like the spores.
[01:52:12]  So, those Star Trek guys.
[01:52:14]  Yes.
[01:52:16]  But I do feel that there is something quite remarkable about this, which is Bennett gets into it totally.
[01:52:22]  And you will even find this is.
[01:52:24]  Out of this world, there's a recording of Steve Allen, who was an American TV talk show host, the equivalent of like a Johnny Carson type guy, interviewing Bennett about Subud in 1964 on The Steve Allen Show.
[01:52:40]  This is amazing.
[01:52:41]  Someone put it up on YouTube.
[01:52:43]  It is there.
[01:52:45]  This is primetime Bennett.
[01:52:46]  If you want a snapshot of Bennett in 1964 practicing Subud, that's it.
[01:52:51]  And it is hardcore.
[01:52:53]  But there you go, Starmoon Brotherhood meets The Steve Allen Show.
[01:52:56]  It had to happen at some point.
[01:52:58]  Yes.
[01:52:59]  Thomas Tyson says Obama Mama was into Cebu'd in the Philippines.
[01:53:04]  She was a little bit of a.
[01:53:04]  That is true.
[01:53:05]  That is very true.
[01:53:07]  And I do think it's interesting.
[01:53:08]  A lot of people were like, hmm, you know, was he somehow related to Obama, this guy?
[01:53:14]  But I don't think he was.
[01:53:15]  But it is interesting that his mother was interested in the work.
[01:53:19]  The reason I bring up Subud is Bennett really staked a lot on it, but there were controversies with it.
[01:53:26]  Like I said, it brought forward this incredible spiritual revelation.
[01:53:32]  But the nature of the Ladi Han spiritual exercise and its meaning were kind of.
[01:53:38]  You know, something that Sabu'd understand that nobody else couldn't be transmitted to anybody else.
[01:53:42]  So he, people would get the action of the Ladi Han, but he had the knowledge of what it was.
[01:53:47]  And he had this kind of incredible vision about it.
[01:53:49]  And there's no doubt that he was a remarkable healer.
[01:53:51]  Now, here's the controversy there were people who studied this, who found that there were controversial things that happened.
[01:54:01]  I'm just going to read a couple.
[01:54:02]  Now, this story is from 2005, and it's from Christ Church in New Zealand.
[01:54:08]  And it says Christ Church Group rejects a cult claim.
[01:54:11]  Christchurch spiritual group accused of being a cult and damaging 115 members is fighting back.
[01:54:17]  So, this is what happened after Subud, Paxuba passed away.
[01:54:22]  This is what happened to Subud, but it is interesting.
[01:54:24]  Helping to lead the charge against an American Psychological Association journal attack on the group known for its wailing and weeping sessions is Oscar Award winner Hammond Peake.
[01:54:34]  Now, this is interesting.
[01:54:35]  The AMA, they don't like competition.
[01:54:38]  So, you know, because they made these accusations, it might actually mean that Subud is a good thing and they just want to get rid of it because.
[01:54:44]  Then you'd have to pump part of pharmaceuticals.
[01:54:46]  But in any case, what it says is that, moving down, this week, Sabood was roundly criticized in an article by a Christchurch man published in the Journal of the American Psychological Association.
[01:55:01]  Dr. Stephen Ulrich, who calls himself a social ecologist, raised concerns about the psychological effects of one of the group's cornerstone practices, the Ladihan.
[01:55:12]  It involves uninhibited weeping, shouting, writhing, moaning, and speaking in tongues.
[01:55:18]  That is pretty hardcore.
[01:55:20]  How do you spell Latihan?
[01:55:21]  That's L A T I H A N. Latihan is very important because, again, he's moving very high energies, Paxuba originally.
[01:55:34]  And some people can handle the voltage and others can't.
[01:55:38]  And so safeguards needed to be set up.
[01:55:40]  So here's an interesting thing that happened in relation to this.

=== High Energy Safeguards (02:11) ===

[01:55:45]  Bennett got himself in the midst of a controversy because.
[01:55:49]  There was an actress who worked with Burt Lancaster named Eva Bartok, and she had a debilitating illness.
[01:55:57]  She was healed by Subud by this action.
[01:56:02]  And Paxuba healed her with this technique, and it became kind of a popular thing.
[01:56:09]  So, Subud, Paxuba came to Coombe Springs to kind of give lectures and stuff like that.
[01:56:16]  But as people gathered around him who were of a Western tradition, Strange things would happen.
[01:56:22]  Some people would get incredible anxiety, or others would develop nervousness and anxiety, so that it got to a point where, you know, they needed to be calmed down or tranquilized or whatever.
[01:56:35]  So, whatever it was, the electricity that came off this man and the work that he was doing, it became very, very controversial.
[01:56:42]  Now, what happened is there was a suicide in relation to it at the same time as the healing, right after the healing took place.
[01:56:51]  So, it became this thing of like, what happened?
[01:56:53]  And apparently, the Ladihan.
[01:56:56]  Thing had unleashed this emotional state in this middle aged man who basically jumped out a window.
[01:57:06]  Now, there are a lot of things where we can hold spiritual practices accountable, and some things just happen because people are there at the wrong time or they're working on some other issue in their life or they have a severe issue, and it's just this that brings it out to the surface.
[01:57:24]  But in any case, it became controversial.
[01:57:28]  Bennett was out there as the public spokesman for it.
[01:57:30]  His whole life was wrapped up around the Ladihan, and he thought the Subud work is going to bring the healing.
[01:57:36]  It's from this great tradition.
[01:57:38]  This guy's really locked into God, you know.
[01:57:41]  And Pak Suba is a great teacher, and they get along very well.
[01:57:44]  But stories like this start to persist, and the Ladihan action becomes controversial.
[01:57:50]  And at a certain point, Bennett says, I have to part company with the practice because it seems like people aren't ready for it.

=== Essene Mystery Groups (09:54) ===

[01:57:57]  Or some people, it creates such a hazard that.
[01:58:01]  You know, it's not worth it.
[01:58:03]  The price is too high.
[01:58:05]  So it's quite an interesting exploration.
[01:58:07]  But I will say, it seems to me that Reiki came up as kind of the version of Subud later that was maybe not, didn't have the issues.
[01:58:17]  You know, it had the same healing effects, but it didn't have all those other things.
[01:58:21]  That's just my own personal interpretation.
[01:58:23]  I will say this, though he goes through that controversy with a major kind of scandal.
[01:58:32]  Of being associated with Pak Suba, who is Indonesian.
[01:58:35]  And then the Idris Shah incident happens and he gets bamboozled out of Coombe Springs.
[01:58:42]  So by the late 60s, Bennett is kind of beaten up by the world.
[01:58:47]  He had this great encounters with these master teachers.
[01:58:51]  He's gone all over the world looking for these things, but he's really arrived at a point in his life where he's kind of down.
[01:58:57]  But he starts to find, oddly enough, that in the 60s movements, the youth movements and things, he's saying, you know, I see some spark in them that is like me.
[01:59:06]  When I was studying the Gurdjieff work.
[01:59:08]  And he starts to bring it all together at that point.
[01:59:12]  And he says in the chapter, Life Begins at 70 in his book, it's 1969, 46 years after Gurdjieff said, Do me a favor, just start a fourth way school with me now because you're going to do it eventually.
[01:59:25]  He finally takes this advice 46 years after the fact and he develops Sherborne, which is this incredible thing that we started with, where he goes deep into the Gurdjieff teachings of movement.
[01:59:39]  And struggle with oneself.
[01:59:41]  And he brings this incredible teaching forward to 1970s America and England.
[01:59:46]  And they really catch on.
[01:59:48]  It's like Bennett's time somehow.
[01:59:51]  And here he is in the midst of that work, studying, teaching, bringing it forward.
[01:59:58]  And it's always interesting when we come to the end of some of these people's lives, like Gurdjieff at the very end.
[02:00:05]  Had Gurdjieff really achieved what the mystery schools had set him out to do?
[02:00:09]  With the Enneagram, with the teachings, with the movements.
[02:00:13]  And could he have done it better?
[02:00:15]  Was he meant to have a bigger impact?
[02:00:18]  Or had he done the job by instilling it so much into Bennett that Bennett, even though he was 70 years old, finally got it across to all these other students and spread those seeds?
[02:00:29]  It's quite fascinating to consider it from these different levels because you can always say, well, Ospensky failed, but he failed to reach the higher levels that he was looking for, but he got the teaching of Gurdjieff out.
[02:00:43]  And then you could say, Gurdjieff.
[02:00:44]  Had gone through this incredible training with the Sarmoon Brotherhood and brought these incredible tools in the mystery schools, wanted to leak out to society, but he had personal failings that caused him to split with Ospensky.
[02:00:54]  And then you have Gurdjieff on one side and Aspensky on the other.
[02:00:57]  And in the middle, you have this Bennett force coming in and moving that teaching forward.
[02:01:04]  So I think that we have something very powerful there in the life story and history around Bennett.
[02:01:09]  And when we get into the 70s, eventually Sherborne is over and he decides, you know what?
[02:01:18]  I'm going to take what we have and move it to West Virginia and start something called Claymont.
[02:01:23]  It's going to be the same thing, it's going to be a five year study.
[02:01:27]  And we're going to use the Gurdjieff techniques.
[02:01:29]  We're going to bring it all forward.
[02:01:30]  We're going to be the modern mystery school.
[02:01:33]  And he does it, he executes it.
[02:01:35]  And interestingly enough, as he's starting Claymont and moving forward in that direction, he passes away.
[02:01:44]  But Bennett's life was a series of highs and lows.
[02:01:49]  But definitely the last five years from 69 to 74, bringing forward the Sherbourne and Claymont mystery school traditions, are incredible highs.
[02:01:58]  And he took that teaching and left behind his own work, incredible work that he's done, including the book Transformation.
[02:02:08]  This book, I highly recommend Gurdjieff Making a New World.
[02:02:12]  And his research bringing forward his understandings of the Gurdjieff and Ospensky stuff, which really was caught in time and caught in impressions.
[02:02:24]  And here we had somebody who was on the battle lines with them, who worked with them.
[02:02:29]  And who had done everything from spying on them to being healed by them, you know, he was really in the heart of it.
[02:02:36]  He brought it into the modern 20th century, which is crucial.
[02:02:42]  The thread of Bennett's work of the mystery schools, I think, comes to us now, down through the ages, directly to us here in the 21st century.
[02:02:52]  That message that Bennett enlivened for us is something that we can draw from.
[02:02:58]  And he's left this incredible legacy.
[02:03:00]  And again, like so many of the things that the mystery schools do, It's spread out there.
[02:03:05]  It's there for you to discover.
[02:03:07]  And in the case of Bennett's work, it's an incredibly rich discovery.
[02:03:13]  And that's the way that I size it up from here.
[02:03:16]  And with that, Miss Olivia, it's all you take the floor.
[02:03:21]  Okay.
[02:03:21]  So, Eileen McCarthy, who initiated Gurdjieff?
[02:03:26]  He was initiated in the Sarmun Brotherhood.
[02:03:29]  There's not any one person that did it.
[02:03:33]  Did he ever speak of any particular masters there that he worked with by name?
[02:03:37]  Yeah, actually, in Meetings with Remarkable Men, he talks about Prince Lubavetsky, who led him to the Sarmoon Brotherhood.
[02:03:46]  They were both hunting for pre Sans Egypt maps, and they ran across each other.
[02:03:51]  And that story is very interesting because, of course, we found out later that Lubavetsky means love of knowledge, so that it's possible the prince was a composite character.
[02:04:01]  But he talks about these masters in that book, and they made a movie in the late 70s.
[02:04:06]  This is how the 70s were just.
[02:04:08]  Loaded with incredible things, called Meetings with Remarkable Men, based on this remarkable book that Gurdjieff wrote.
[02:04:16]  And I have to say, in terms of what Gurdjieff has written, that's the most accessible because it's a story of his life and how he went and discovered the Sarmon Brotherhood and the things that they taught him.
[02:04:28]  But here's something I want to point out that's different from other teachers.
[02:04:33]  People can say anything they want about what schools they attended and all the rest.
[02:04:38]  But Gurdjieff brought forward things like the Enneagram, which we had never seen, which is a very complex system, which we had never seen.
[02:04:48]  The teachings of the Fourth Way, the incredible temple dances, the incredible music.
[02:04:55]  You know, that stuff didn't come out of the blue.
[02:04:58]  That's not somebody just going into fantasy and thinking there's some high character.
[02:05:02]  He had to live and work inside the mystery schools to bring that information out.
[02:05:06]  There's just nothing like it.
[02:05:07]  It's so unusual, it's so unique.
[02:05:09]  So, much like the Steiner work, we're dealing with something that came in from outside somewhere, or inside somewhere, as you could say.
[02:05:18]  And what Gurdjieff referred to as the inner circle of humanity.
[02:05:24]  There are those groups that preserve this knowledge, and they are in a tricky situation.
[02:05:30]  They have been ever since the 1840s in relation to how much information they give out.
[02:05:36]  But they seem to be walking this along with humanity, this parallel course, and helping that along.
[02:05:44]  But it's through the application of individuals like Gurdjieff and like Bennett that we really get a sense of it.
[02:05:48]  Okay, yes.
[02:05:49]  Okay, so Johnny Bluestar, outside of Gurdjieff, from what sources do we know about the Sarmun Brotherhood?
[02:05:56]  Well, the name is interesting because they have determined, Bennett determined, I think, the best, that these names meant beekeeper or keepers of honey.
[02:06:12]  And this is an interesting tradition in Sufism also.
[02:06:17]  So He determined that the Sarmun Brotherhood was related to these Sufi groups.
[02:06:24]  So, very often when it comes up, you know, a lot of people would say things like, well, how did we know Gurdjieff was saying such and such?
[02:06:33]  It was correct, you know, and Bennett actually went to these different various places in Central Asia and verified landmarks and things like that.
[02:06:43]  So, where Gurdjieff had gone was a very well traveled road.
[02:06:47]  It's hard because you can't give away the location of the mystery schools.
[02:06:51]  So, When he would say things like, I worked in the Essene Mystery School in Jerusalem.
[02:06:56]  The Essene Mystery School in Jerusalem closed shortly after the death of Christ because the Essenes were the mystery sect that developed the conditions to develop Christ mystically.
[02:07:09]  And, you know, we developed the whole Dead Sea Scrolls, that whole thing, we discover in 1947 that the Essenes did exist and they come up in the Casey readings, but there's no modern version of them.
[02:07:22]  So, When Gurdjieff is speaking about working with the Essenes, he's telling us something about the work that he's doing, but he's not revealing who the actual group is or where to find them.
[02:07:32]  And I don't think a real initiate can, because remember, the Gurdjieff rule in relation to information, sacred information, is there's always two parts to it what to do and how to do it.
[02:07:45]  So the what to do, you know, in religions like turn the other cheek or whatever it happens to be, that's one aspect.

=== Fourth Way Anti-Aramaic Work (08:33) ===

[02:07:52]  But the other aspect is how to do it, and that remains hidden.
[02:07:55]  So, an ordinary person, when they get slapped in the face, they're going to slap you back because there's no method for them not to do that.
[02:08:02]  But the how to do that, the method for that, is kept underground because it's always persecuted and it's moved in secret through groups.
[02:08:11]  That's fundamental because there will always be shifting sands.
[02:08:15]  In that day, it was the Romans.
[02:08:16]  Now we've got the deep state.
[02:08:19]  There'll always be these powers on top that will seek to suppress that because those are the real keys for humanity.
[02:08:26]  Humanity's awakening relies on these groups that keep what?
[02:08:30]  They keep the honey.
[02:08:32]  So, Sarmoon, that's the origin of the name.
[02:08:38]  Okay.
[02:08:38]  Okay.
[02:08:38]  David Tormina.
[02:08:39]  Is understanding the Enneagram the key to unlocking the secret of the X steganography?
[02:08:44]  Could the Enneagram also represent some kind of a technological formula, waves bouncing around inside a sphere?
[02:08:51]  Keely used spheres as well.
[02:08:52]  How does it relate to the eighth sphere?
[02:08:55]  Wow.
[02:08:56]  Those are great questions.
[02:08:57]  Well, those are the questions we need to answer.
[02:09:02]  Fundamentally, there's so much X steganography loaded inside of the Enneagram.
[02:09:10]  Gurdjieff said that the only way to understand the Enneagram was to think of it in motion.
[02:09:17]  And in fact, as I've discovered and shown, he had them dance on the lines of the Enneagram.
[02:09:25]  Now, you know, the type of dancing that they do is comparable to whirling dervish dancing, which is totally transformative, not just physically, but consciousness wise.
[02:09:37]  So we're in a different space when we're working with those types of movements.
[02:09:41]  The Enneagram that Gurdjieff brought forward out of the Sarmoon Brotherhood is a system.
[02:09:47]  It's a fundamental system of understanding ancient information.
[02:09:53]  There are so many different studies on it that go far beyond personality types.
[02:10:00]  It does relate to the ex steganography.
[02:10:02]  The ex steganography is embedded inside of it.
[02:10:06]  And it also is a kind of steganography of its own.
[02:10:11]  Does anybody really understand it?
[02:10:13]  No, I don't think that Gurdjieff gave the full answer.
[02:10:16]  This is something that, as it came out, he literally said, it's okay that it comes out, the mystery schools allow it to come out because people won't be able to understand exactly what it's for, but that can be arrived at.
[02:10:31]  So in the work, he's making it happen.
[02:10:34]  But remember, he said, it only works if you think of it as a moving symbol.
[02:10:38]  That's why those dances are important.
[02:10:41]  What is that?
[02:10:41]  What is it that he's referring to?
[02:10:43]  I've always felt that the Enneagram had something to do with DNA.
[02:10:48]  And it seems to me that there's some action in relation to studying the Enneagram that's like that.
[02:10:53]  In discussing the eighth sphere, look, it seems to me that the fourth way teaching about getting people out of fantasy and out of virtual reality and getting them back in their bodies is of true anti Araman work because you're centering people back again in this incredible tool that they have, the physical body, and the things that it.
[02:11:16]  It can do that takes you out of this process of just rolling over and over again in your thoughts, yes, Miss Olivia.
[02:11:23]  Uh, Spiritus, uh, looks like Gurdjieff and Aspensky had karma together incarnationally.
[02:11:28]  What's the story there?
[02:11:30]  Well, here's the interesting thing the only way to really look at this is the Casey reading in relation to Aspensky.
[02:11:38]  When somebody's asking him these questions, Casey in trance starts to muse, Yeah, well, you know, we find that Aspensky was.
[02:11:49]  Actually, a teacher, a keeper of the records in the Mount of the Moabbas.
[02:11:54]  Seventh year, seventh day, 777.
[02:12:01]  Now, this idea that Uspensky was the keeper of these records in the sacred Mount, and we don't quite know who the Moabbas are, but obviously some very sacred group that he's referring to here, and he's kind of just looking through Uspensky's past life records.
[02:12:19]  Well, if we think of Uspensky as the keeper of the records in the Mount, then who was Gurdjieff?
[02:12:24]  I mean, if Gurdjieff was the teacher, it's quite remarkable.
[02:12:28]  Again, there are the dances on the Enneagram.
[02:12:32]  Understanding what the Enneagram is becomes crucial for that Mystery School Awakening.
[02:12:38]  That's a big piece of the Bennett work.
[02:12:42]  30 years studying it.
[02:12:47]  Ospensky had said in relation to the Enneagram, he always tried to ask Gurdjieff questions about it and always found Gurdjieff evasive.
[02:12:55]  But he had the same thing, which is Gurdjieff said the best way to understand it is as a moving symbol.
[02:13:03]  These groups and the practice of the sacred movements that was passed down from Gurdjieff to Bennett, the groups continue.
[02:13:12]  I've actually been in touch with them over the years and I've seen some movement presentations and exercises.
[02:13:21]  They are all over the world, and that magic is there, is happening.
[02:13:27]  So much of it is a legacy from what they did.
[02:13:33]  The Bennett groups were all about not just perpetuating the legacy, but trying to find new ways of inventing the information.
[02:13:42]  Not to dilute it, but to enhance it.
[02:13:47]  Gurdjieff, again, always went back to work.
[02:13:51]  It was about work.
[02:13:53]  Very often he'd have new students putting up wallpaper, carrying rocks over, and building a big pile of rocks and then taking the pile of rocks down.
[02:14:03]  I mean, these are very Zen.
[02:14:05]  Exercises, but what are they doing?
[02:14:06]  They're connecting us with our physical body.
[02:14:08]  Obviously, there's something there with getting out of our head so that we understand conceptually on one hand, but that physically something else, the physical brain, the physical interaction is raising a different energy, a different sense of our I in that sense.
[02:14:25]  Okay.
[02:14:26]  Todd Wood was asking I work at Goodwill, whose theme is giving people purpose through work.
[02:14:31]  Is that like the fourth way?
[02:14:33]  Where does philanthropy fit into this?
[02:14:37]  Yeah, well, the fourth way, just like all of the mystery school traditions, is based on service.
[02:14:42]  Remember when they came to Casey in the Search for God groups and they said, How's the fastest way to enlightenment for me?
[02:14:50]  How can I have this dynamite meditation session?
[02:14:52]  And he said, Well, his recommendation was to push elderly people along Virginia Beach in a wheelchair to put them in the right state of mind after having done the service.
[02:15:03]  So, these traditions, the mystery school traditions, are about.
[02:15:10]  Attunement and service.
[02:15:12]  So, the attunement is one part.
[02:15:13]  You learn the techniques for attunement, you attune to your higher self, but then they have to be fulfilled in service.
[02:15:19]  So, you have to give out that service.
[02:15:21]  And if you don't, then you just are attuning and attuning.
[02:15:25]  And it's sort of like, you know, you're building up a Chernobyl in there because you're not giving out what it is that you're supposed to be doing.
[02:15:33]  These mystery schools are their life is service.
[02:15:38]  The mystery schools spawned the original.
[02:15:41]  Churches before the churches became just such a tyrannical organization.
[02:15:47]  The traditional church had charity, it was a fundamental piece of it.
[02:15:53]  And many of the traditions of the mystery schools and the lessons and the techniques that Gurdjieff found come directly out of the monasteries because the monasteries was the easiest way to keep the tradition and hide the mystery methods.
[02:16:07]  So we have to think of it that way.
[02:16:09]  These things were carried over generation to generation to generation.
[02:16:13]  And the fact that we get our hands on them at all.
[02:16:16]  Is quite remarkable.
[02:16:17]  So we have to think of it that way.
[02:16:19]  The entire orientation around the mystery schools is service.
[02:16:24]  That's where we're going.

=== Left Hand Path Experiments (08:22) ===

[02:16:25]  Yes.
[02:16:26]  The Cosmic Garden.
[02:16:27]  Has there ever been a connection between the Bennett group and the CIA slash mind control projects?
[02:16:32]  They exist in the same time frame.
[02:16:36]  No, I mean, you know, the CIA would hate a group like the Bennett group because they are showing people how to get past traditional programming, right?
[02:16:48]  So, no, they're enemies, natural enemies.
[02:16:51]  And I mean, they might have learned things from Gurdjieff, they might have learned things from the Fourth Way in the CIA.
[02:16:59]  But No, I mean, there's no, that's not a warm, cuddly relationship between Bennett and the intelligence agencies.
[02:17:06]  I would think that they would be very hostile and probably try to investigate them and scandalize them.
[02:17:12]  But no, there's no evidence that of any kind of relationship on record.
[02:17:18]  Interesting question.
[02:17:19]  Okay.
[02:17:20]  Okay.
[02:17:20]  Bend over, our favorite.
[02:17:22]  DJ, did the mystery schools use any psychedelics in any of their processes?
[02:17:27]  Is the rise in popularity of psychedelics an effort to steer the attention away from being physical and Gurdjieff's work?
[02:17:35]  Yeah, Gurdjieff actually describes lesser schools using drugs for certain types of things, but the actual mystery schools don't use drugs because you need to arrive at the state without the aid of drugs.
[02:17:52]  But I will say that there are a lot of experiments that take place in certain types of groups, and when you get into left hand path groups, which are more secret society, Version of the mystery schools, you know, kind of the mystery schools evil twin, they certainly use drugs and sometimes with all kinds of different results, but you can imagine.
[02:18:21]  But I think the true mystery schools are purist in that sense.
[02:18:28]  I wouldn't say that, you know, drugs is a big loaded term, too.
[02:18:31]  I mean, you know, drugs are anything from marijuana to cocaine to heroin.
[02:18:37]  I mean, there's many varying levels.
[02:18:39]  So, But in terms of applying drugs in a responsible fashion to reach, you know, look at the peyote cults and the different things that we see with Native American tribes.
[02:18:50]  Certainly, if you look at the work of Aldous Huxley, peyote in particular has been used to achieve different types of enlightened states.
[02:18:59]  When I think of all the work that they do with ayahuasca and the various states that happen there, you know, myself personally, I think of it as a lesser way because I think if you can't get there, Um, without the actual substance, then I think that it's a lesser way.
[02:19:18]  However, there are traditions of shamans with visionary plants who would probably totally disagree with me, and I feel like that work done under proper supervision is unstoppable, certainly in the hands of a shaman who knows how to use it.
[02:19:31]  Okay, we'll take two more questions.
[02:19:33]  Okay, so the BB blog uh, is there a mystery school that is apart from these factions, beyond culture, beyond tribe, beyond labels?
[02:19:47]  Interesting.
[02:19:47]  Don't we need one?
[02:19:48]  Well, read the categories again.
[02:19:51]  Beyond tribes, beyond labels, beyond cultures.
[02:19:55]  Like a universal mystery school for.
[02:19:57]  I mean, we're getting into global territory everywhere.
[02:20:00]  I think the inner circle of humanity idea, the masters of wisdom that comes out of the fourth way teaching, is, you know, it's related to the work of theosophy.
[02:20:15]  It's related.
[02:20:16]  To what Steiner calls the Rosicrucian mystery school, the Western tradition.
[02:20:23]  The Gurdjieff work and the Steiner work are the esoteric Christianity.
[02:20:30]  They are the mystery tradition.
[02:20:33]  So they're working on a particular line.
[02:20:38]  I don't think that they're, you know, somewhere in these teachings, just like in the Gurdjieff teaching, there's all one.
[02:20:47]  But that's on a level that's not on earth.
[02:20:52]  And so you achieve this.
[02:20:55]  You know, kind of oneness, all one, and that's a ray that's coming down and that we're getting in touch with.
[02:21:01]  But along the way, certainly there are identifications that happen that are tribal, like what you're saying.
[02:21:10]  But I would say that certainly the way that we could look at it is that the Western tradition is what the mystery schools are saying need to take the lead now.
[02:21:21]  And it's the Western mystery schools stepping forward because it's their time to take the lead.
[02:21:27]  This process has been worked on, and it would be kind of a cosmic disaster if the Western mystery schools weren't allowed to take the lead now, or if we went into too strong of an Eastern bent.
[02:21:40]  The Eastern traditions and the mystery schools set up the Western tradition, so we need to embrace the Western tradition to get us there.
[02:21:48]  I mean, I think that that's kind of the way I would look at that.
[02:21:53]  I would also say that I think a lot of those things do get stripped away that is, the comparing.
[02:22:01]  This idea, you know, this person's spiritual, this person's not spiritual.
[02:22:04]  I think traditionally, you know, fundamentally, the mystery school view is that we're all in the same boat in humanity and that we just, it seems like people who work with the mystery schools use their time differently.
[02:22:17]  That's the way I would describe it.
[02:22:18]  Yes.
[02:22:19]  Emmanuel Barron, are the mystery schools part of a breakaway civilization?
[02:22:25]  Fundamentally, they're kind of the original breakaway.
[02:22:30]  But they have this impact on culture that is, I like to use the American Revolution, but certainly the Renaissance, some of these other periods have the complete fingerprints of the mystery schools on them.
[02:22:45]  And so we have to look at them maybe as this force that is there to help humanity out and guide humanity, but not force humanity into any particular direction, but to guide them there and see if we take that advice.
[02:23:03]  I will say this that one of the things that's fundamental in the mystery schools.
[02:23:08]  Is that they don't achieve things by violent action.
[02:23:13]  So they're not looking for a violent overthrow of the thing because violent overthrows cause an equal number of destructions.
[02:23:22]  So you'll never find a mystery school involved in a violent overthrow.
[02:23:27]  You know, that's not how they operate.
[02:23:32]  What they are, though, is they're kind of like for struggling humanity, which is trying to balance out all these different factors, they are.
[02:23:45]  A force that is a reconciling force for all these different things.
[02:23:48]  So, in that sense, it answers the past two questions, which is there's a reconciling force between this affirming and denying.
[02:23:55]  This is very fourth way language.
[02:23:57]  You've got yes and no, and then reconciling.
[02:24:01]  So, the war aspect of these groups, the opposites, and the way that they observe each other, there's a point at which they reconcile.
[02:24:11]  And that's what that higher teaching is all about.
[02:24:13]  That's the role of the mystery schools, really.
[02:24:17]  This is a really intriguing question.
[02:24:19]  Okay, Marie Oliver.
[02:24:21]  Aren't the mystery schools the survivors after prior ages and extinction level events?
[02:24:26]  Yes, absolutely.
[02:24:28]  That's where the ex steganography comes from them keeping the knowledge of what the Atlanteans possessed.
[02:24:36]  And we can't just think of what the Atlanteans possessed as Atlantean technology because the two eye crystal that they had was fundamentally spiritual and physical.

=== Temple Priestess Survivors (03:13) ===

[02:24:47]  Because remember, its first use was for what?
[02:24:49]  For the temple priestesses.
[02:24:51]  In the Casey story, the temple priestesses.
[02:24:54]  Embrace the two eye stone and are prepared by initiates to interact with spiritual forces from the outer sphere through the crystal.
[02:25:03]  That's an irregular physical environment.
[02:25:06]  You're working with higher spiritual forces from the spiritual world physically.
[02:25:11]  And then in the Casey story, the harmonic forces take on the physical domination of the crystal and eventually wind up blowing themselves up.
[02:25:21]  So the apothecary effect that they create, though.
[02:25:25]  Endangers the entire evolutionary track, and we find ourselves having to carry down the knowledge of that.
[02:25:33]  And those groups, those are the ones who did it.
[02:25:35]  And when you find that ex steganography among the Mayas and in the ancient Americas, we started the story off with America Before, which is Graham Hancock's new book studying the cultures that were here in America.
[02:25:52]  You see that this is a very, very old story.
[02:25:55]  This idea of civilization starting about 5,000 BC is ridiculous.
[02:26:02]  Casey has it the Atlantean civilization at 200,000 BC.
[02:26:06]  Let's start there.
[02:26:07]  You know, that's a lot of catching up to do.
[02:26:10]  Excellent.
[02:26:10]  Okay, Miss Olivia, we'll take one more question.
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[02:27:55]  Guitar Dave says, G said Crowley was an abomination.

=== Crowley Tarot Contrast (02:40) ===

[02:28:00]  Ben Dover says, DJ, does Aleister Crowley and Ron Hubbard have any intersection with the mystery schools?
[02:28:08]  And EDT says, Daniel, you do not speak about.
[02:28:11]  Alistair Crowley, much in your series.
[02:28:13]  Is there a reason for this?
[02:28:15]  Well, it's because everybody else is talking about him.
[02:28:17]  We don't really know.
[02:28:18]  Is my secret grandfather.
[02:28:21]  No, uh, Carly's very fascinating guy, but he has been covered a lot, you know what I mean?
[02:28:26]  And uh, I think what's interesting about Carly, he knew a great deal and he was connected with left hand schools.
[02:28:34]  Um, so you think about the slogan really for the Carly stuff, which is do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, right?
[02:28:44]  So it's kind of a selfish thing, you can do whatever you want.
[02:28:47]  The mystery school tradition is kind of know thyself, it's very different.
[02:28:52]  So, um Is there incredible information in the work of Crowley?
[02:29:00]  Absolutely.
[02:29:02]  But I think the ideals that are involved, you know, it's just a very different ideal than what the mystery schools are based on, which is service.
[02:29:13]  The only nice thing that I will say about Crowley is that there was a woman that was instructed, who was an incredible artist, who was instructed based on Crowley's directions to.
[02:29:24]  Create a tarot deck and the Crowley tarot deck, which this other woman did, and he didn't do it.
[02:29:29]  Lady Frida Harris.
[02:29:31]  Yes.
[02:29:32]  That deck is extraordinary, and her work was extraordinary.
[02:29:35]  Somehow, that guy, with all his kind of black magic stuff, was able to find that great artist, and they had this thing because she was an incredible artist and he understood the tarot.
[02:29:49]  So, I do feel like you never, I mean, there's strange things happen.
[02:29:55]  You know, some of these people are put out there in order.
[02:29:57]  For us to have that good contrast.
[02:29:59]  And I think in Crowley's case, you get incredible contrast.
[02:30:02]  But yeah, I feel like the true mystery schools, you know, do you want knowledge for knowledge's sake, or do you want the wisdom to use the knowledge?
[02:30:15]  So that's one of those questions I think that every person who's a seeker has to figure it out, you know.
[02:30:21]  But, you know, look, I pointed out Shah earlier, who bamboozled Bennett.
[02:30:28]  That guy was supposed to be this great, you know, um, master of what did he say?
[02:30:34]  He was, um, part of this guardians of humanity tradition or something, and he winds up doing something like that.

=== Beelzebub Tales Grandson (03:17) ===

[02:30:41]  So, you know, like, where do you find it?
[02:30:42]  You find evil sprinkled through every little endeavor, and it's just we have to do our best with it.
[02:30:46]  I do think it's important to stress, and one of the things that Bennett stresses, though, is this idea of superiority in relation to the mystery school teachings, you know, or somebody saying that, hey, I'm a mystery school teacher, and we see horrible people, uh, yes, we do.
[02:31:02]  Now, you know, they're just trying to ride trends and things.
[02:31:05]  That has nothing to do with the mystery school.
[02:31:07]  I mean, you can't be a liar and a marketeer and be the head of a mystery school.
[02:31:11]  It's not going to happen.
[02:31:12]  So, you know, we have to take these things on a human level.
[02:31:17]  And I do feel that we can find in the fourth way work fundamental pieces of information that just are not available anywhere else.
[02:31:28]  The source is obviously some mystery tradition.
[02:31:33]  And Gurdjieff brought forward the source, and Bennett and Ospensky interpreted it.
[02:31:37]  Yes.
[02:31:40]  Did you want one more question?
[02:31:42]  I'll take it right up to other stuff.
[02:31:44]  No, no, I'll take your final.
[02:31:45]  No, don't.
[02:31:46]  No, we've been on a good try.
[02:31:47]  There's plenty more.
[02:31:47]  Here, I'll just.
[02:31:49]  No, we're coming back with a double hitter next week.
[02:31:51]  There's always so many questions about the history schools.
[02:31:53]  Yeah, okay.
[02:31:54]  Well, Guitar Dave wanted to just ask you.
[02:31:57]  Absolutely.
[02:31:58]  Have you read Bill's Bub's Tales to his grandson three times, like G said?
[02:32:02]  I have.
[02:32:03]  Have you, really?
[02:32:04]  Yes.
[02:32:04]  Wow.
[02:32:05]  And what is that?
[02:32:05]  What's supposed to happen when you do that?
[02:32:08]  Well, there's three different ways you have to read Beelzebub's tales to his grandson.
[02:32:12]  You have to read it one way, the way you would read a newspaper, just kind of absent mindedly going through it.
[02:32:18]  The second way is to really try to understand it as you read it.
[02:32:23]  And the third way is to read it out loud.
[02:32:26]  So there's some kind of a command there or an instruction by Gurdjieff that that's the way to read that book.
[02:32:33]  The book is incredibly confusing the way that some of James Joyce's work is confusing.
[02:32:40]  There are incredible.
[02:32:43]  Breakdowns of information.
[02:32:44]  Actually, there's sufficient analysis of that book in Gurdjieff Making a New World by J.G. Bennett that I think will give you a kind of a leg up on it.
[02:32:57]  That book, Beelzebub's Tales to His Grandson, is a book that Gurdjieff did late in life, but there are very strange things in it.
[02:33:03]  By the way, there's lots of UFOs and Atlantis in it if you actually read it correctly.
[02:33:09]  Oh, really?
[02:33:10]  Yeah.
[02:33:11]  And so we have to ask Guitar Dave, though, before we're done with the session, let us know if you.
[02:33:16]  Have read it three times because it is certainly only twice.
[02:33:19]  Oh, well, the out loud time is the toughest one, so maybe do it to a recorder, it makes it easier.
[02:33:26]  Um, and of course, you know, we've had our unusual experience with this person showing up, uh, when we were in Ohio in the strange bookstore.
[02:33:36]  And, uh, we have often felt that was the time I was reading Beelzebub's tales to his grandson, and this person came out of the blue and started in the middle of this Ohio bookstore to just Peppered me with all these questions about Gurdjieff.
[02:33:51]  Quite remarkable.
[02:33:52]  And then flew out of there.
[02:33:54]  And the bookstore owner said, I've never seen that guy before in my life.

=== Change Self Not Others (03:49) ===

[02:33:58]  I remember him saying that.
[02:34:00]  He was a little freaked out.
[02:34:01]  There was like an electrical feeling in that bookstore.
[02:34:05]  There's no question about it.
[02:34:08]  He knew what was going on, too.
[02:34:12]  And so did you, as I recall.
[02:34:14]  But I was on the ladder having this conversation looking for a book.
[02:34:18]  He was a very interesting person.
[02:34:21]  So, you never know where mystery school individuals are going to pop up.
[02:34:25]  That's the moral of the story.
[02:34:28]  Fantastic crowd tonight.
[02:34:29]  Wow.
[02:34:30]  Deep subject.
[02:34:31]  And J.G. Bennett, I think, I hope I did him some justice in terms of an introduction to his work.
[02:34:36]  I highly recommend it.
[02:34:37]  He was the person who brought Gurdjieff's and Ospensky's vision into what we can use for the 21st century.
[02:34:44]  And I think that he's the last link in that chain.
[02:34:46]  And we need to understand the work that he was doing.
[02:34:50]  I don't think he got to finish that work.
[02:34:52]  So I feel like it's unfinished work bringing that forward.
[02:34:56]  I would like to say that I think he's an excellent place to start.
[02:35:00]  He makes it very, he breaks it down so that it's very readable.
[02:35:05]  And I love, we were listening to his lectures earlier on YouTube.
[02:35:08]  I have a surprise for everyone.
[02:35:10]  Glad you mentioned that, which is we have two short clips of J.G. Bennett himself that I'm going to turn to Miss Olivia to get.
[02:35:17]  Okay, the first one is quite significant.
[02:35:19]  Let's listen.
[02:35:20]  I think that's this one.
[02:35:21]  Yes.
[02:35:25]  It would be quite a considerable cosmic disaster if this experiment with man on this earth were to fail.
[02:35:36]  Therefore, for this reason, that much is being done to prevent this experiment from failing.
[02:35:44]  Not because man deserves to survive, but because he is really needed.
[02:35:50]  But he will.
[02:35:52]  Also, you must understand, however much we may criticize man, you have to realize, I think, You have to realize how difficult it is to be a man.
[02:36:04]  People don't really grasp this.
[02:36:07]  It is exceedingly hard to be, in the true sense, a man, a human being.
[02:36:16]  We are given powers, creative powers, that are necessary, but they are terribly dangerous.
[02:36:34]  Well, yeah.
[02:36:35]  We're given creative powers that are necessary, but are incredibly dangerous.
[02:36:39]  That is the precipice.
[02:36:40]  Our society is on now.
[02:36:43]  That's clip one.
[02:36:44]  Let's try clip two.
[02:36:46]  Okay.
[02:36:48]  J.G. Bennett speaking at the end of his life in lecture.
[02:36:52]  And one of the principles of change is that we are not able to change other people, but there is a possibility that we can change ourselves.
[02:37:05]  And therefore, that is the possibility that we should explore and not concern ourselves with.
[02:37:14]  The defects of other people and the consequences of their defects in terms of social injustice and the rest.
[02:37:22]  There you go.
[02:37:23]  You know, let's think about that.
[02:37:27]  With that, I will show this picture of J.C. Bennett, and at the end of his life, with his wife Elizabeth, who brought so much forward and carried on the work at Claymont, which was crucial.
[02:37:40]  Truly, without Elizabeth, there is no.
[02:37:45]  Fourth Way School being reborn in the 70s.

=== J.C. Bennett Legacy (06:08) ===

[02:37:48]  And she did incredible work supporting him and his visions.
[02:37:53]  I would say this about what he just said, which is it's very important.
[02:37:57]  And you can see that we project so much out onto the world and criticize the world, et cetera.
[02:38:03]  But what Bennett is saying there is we can't change those people, but we can change ourselves.
[02:38:12]  And that is the kind of the takeaway, the impact, the place that we can move from.
[02:38:17]  Which is the ability to try to change ourselves.
[02:38:20]  And I think that's probably a pretty good place for us to rest this episode on.
[02:38:26]  Thank you, everyone.
[02:38:27]  Of course, we will see you next week with two episodes, and Friday and Saturday.
[02:38:34]  And Saturday will start a little bit early, I think six o'clock.
[02:38:36]  What do you think, Olivia?
[02:38:37]  Sounds good to me.
[02:38:38]  Yeah.
[02:38:39]  And that's episode 50.
[02:38:41]  It also happens to fall on the one year anniversary of the X series.
[02:38:44]  And boy, is that going to be a barn burner.
[02:38:50]  Do you know what they're going to be about yet?
[02:38:53]  Oh, yes.
[02:38:54]  Oh, yeah.
[02:38:54]  Secret for now?
[02:38:55]  No, I already said Armand's deep in the mix.
[02:38:57]  Okay.
[02:38:58]  By the way, there's a picture of Bennett with Frank Lloyd Wright, the architect, and they were close friends.
[02:39:05]  And of course, Frank Lloyd Wright was a huge Gurdjieff follower.
[02:39:08]  You're going to find throughout traditional society, many, many people were into the Gurdjieff work.
[02:39:15]  And, you know, we were talking to somebody recently about rolfing, and Ida Rolf was a huge Gurdjieff student.
[02:39:22]  So this impact.
[02:39:23]  Is felt through so many different people and different pieces of society.
[02:39:27]  We will see you next week.
[02:39:28]  Thank you so much.
[02:39:30]  I'll give a shout out.
[02:39:31]  A cult fan is out there.
[02:39:33]  We know he's out there.
[02:39:34]  Doyle Wayne, great to see you.
[02:39:36]  Jessica Benz, who else do you want to shout out to, Miss Olivia?
[02:39:39]  Breach123.
[02:39:41]  Breach123, fantastic.
[02:39:44]  It's great to have you out there.
[02:39:46]  I noticed it was a great crowd tonight and great questions, just off the charts.
[02:39:50]  Thomas Tyson, of course.
[02:39:51]  David Donaway earlier.
[02:39:53]  Cosmic Garden, it's great to see you.
[02:39:55]  I know we saw Deep State Kate.
[02:39:56]  She's out there.
[02:39:57]  I saw her.
[02:39:58]  Great to have her out there.
[02:40:00]  Right.
[02:40:00]  Lee Veltman.
[02:40:01]  Lee Veltman.
[02:40:02]  Cliff High was here for a while.
[02:40:03]  Great to have Cliff High out there.
[02:40:05]  And was Carly?
[02:40:06]  I thought I saw Carly.
[02:40:07]  Yes, Carly had to go to bed.
[02:40:08]  Dimensions and beyond in the UK while braving it out through the tender hours of the morning.
[02:40:14]  We will see you next week.
[02:40:16]  If you want to join us on Memorial Day weekend with Graham Hancock here in Cambridge, it is darkjournalist.com.
[02:40:23]  Do you have that link, Olivia?
[02:40:25]  It's darkjournalist.com forward slash events forward slash Graham.
[02:40:33]  So I'll say that again darkjournalist.com forward slash.
[02:40:37]  Event forward slash Graham.
[02:40:39]  Yeah, and I actually do want to bring up Zach Girard again.
[02:40:43]  So, Zach, if you've been listening, even though you've been banned, and you want to, you know, we can have a lively debate.
[02:40:51]  You know, there's no.
[02:40:51]  It's always true.
[02:40:52]  Yeah.
[02:40:52]  You can have differing opinions.
[02:40:53]  I think that it's important.
[02:40:57]  When it comes right down to it, you know, there's no one, you know, fail sale.
[02:41:06]  But I will say this in relation to.
[02:41:10]  There's no one truth, I guess I was going to say.
[02:41:12]  But I mean, let's get real.
[02:41:15]  But I will say this in terms of the ideas room, the chat.
[02:41:17]  This is an incredible place, and it's kind of an incubator of incredible ideas.
[02:41:23]  And I do think that there's a certain level that we keep in that ideas room.
[02:41:28]  It's kind of a level where people can really, you know, this isn't two minutes hate.
[02:41:33]  This is not what you get on these political shows where they want everyone to go at each other's throats.
[02:41:39]  We're really looking for.
[02:41:41]  A level headed approach to understanding the deeper mysteries and applying that in areas, applying it to politics, applying it to spiritual life, applying it to research, applying it to our ancient history and our prehistory.
[02:41:58]  This is the level that we need to be coming at it from.
[02:42:01]  So that's the best way, I think, for us to get the right information.
[02:42:05]  Esoteric 369, I know we're going to be seeing you too.
[02:42:10]  David Termina, he's out there.
[02:42:11]  There he is.
[02:42:13]  Grandma Tippy Toes, thank you so much.
[02:42:16]  And we will see you next week.
[02:42:18]  And Miss Olivia, the final question, by the way, you handled the clips quite well.
[02:42:22]  Thank you.
[02:42:23]  And a round of applause for Miss Olivia, who did an exceptional job this evening of collecting these questions throughout the video.
[02:42:29]  Thank you very much.
[02:42:29]  Before I forget, I just wanted to say Kay Tower has taught the Enneagram.
[02:42:34]  Oh, nice.
[02:42:35]  And I have asked her to get in touch with us.
[02:42:38]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:42:39]  Info at darkjournalist.com, please.
[02:42:41]  That's fascinating.
[02:42:42]  Can't wait.
[02:42:43]  Absolutely.
[02:42:44]  And you're going to find we have a lot in common.
[02:42:48]  Thank you so much, everyone.
[02:42:49]  And we will see you next week.
[02:42:52]  All I can say is, Olivia, what's for dinner?
[02:42:55]  All I want is a hot chocolate.
[02:42:59]  Hot chocolate?
[02:43:00]  I do.
[02:43:00]  I've just, you know, this is the winter of hot chocolate.
[02:43:05]  I haven't had one today, and that's what I'm craving.
[02:43:07]  I think that.
[02:43:08]  With marshmallows.
[02:43:10]  Of course.
[02:43:11]  You know, as long as it's almond milk.
[02:43:13]  Almond milk.
[02:43:14]  I'm game.
[02:43:16]  Show me the way.
[02:43:16]  Okay.
[02:43:17]  Chocolato.
[02:43:18]  Thank you so much, everyone.
[02:43:19]  And we will see you next week.
[02:43:22]  Double hitter episode.
[02:43:24]  And make sure to be there because it's going to be the crucial.
[02:43:28]  Yeah, and we're going to be taking a break after that for a few weeks.
[02:43:32]  Well, there's not going to be any break on the show, but certainly the live show.
[02:43:34]  Of the live, well, of the extras.
[02:43:37]  It's a lot of work, guys.
[02:43:39]  No question about it.
[02:43:41]  And your support is appreciated.
[02:43:42]  Do sign up for the newsletter also.
[02:43:44]  We will see you next week.
[02:43:46]  Thanks so much.
[02:43:47]  And find a little.
[02:43:50]  Coffee shop and read some fourth way material.
[02:43:52]  That's what I did.
[02:43:54]  Thank you.
[02:43:55]  Thanks, everybody.