Dark Journalist - DARK JOURNALIST X-SERIES EPISODE 46: NYMZA X-TECH SECRET UFO DELLSCHAU CONNECTION! WALTER BOSLEY
Aired: 2019-02-09
Duration: 02:48:34


=== Welcome to Dark Journalists (06:09) ===

[00:00:03]  And we are live.
[00:00:04]  This is Dark Journalists.
[00:00:06]  It's fantastic to be here with everyone.
[00:00:08]  It's already an amazing crowd.
[00:00:10]  And I'm joined by the lovely Olivia.
[00:00:13]  Hi, everybody.
[00:00:14]  And we have a very special episode for you tonight.
[00:00:17]  And our guest is Walter Bosley, who is the author of the Empire of the Wheel series.
[00:00:23]  And, you know, Walter, having been in the Air Force, has a great background to get into the kind of issues that we talk about here.
[00:00:30]  And we've had him on the show before.
[00:00:32]  Tonight, we're going to go into some of his origins research surrounding the Delshow mystery.
[00:00:38]  Of the mystery airships and its connection now, and the code that he's discovered that connects NIMSA to the X technology.
[00:00:46]  This is important because as we move forward doing the X steganography series, these experts kind of do work of their own, correlating back around this X theme of X steganography.
[00:01:00]  And they find keys associated with the X in their own research.
[00:01:05]  And that's exactly what we need to bring forward.
[00:01:07]  And we've been finding it more and more.
[00:01:09]  Now, this is episode 46 of the X Steganography series.
[00:01:13]  And basically, you know, the steganography that we've been following has to do largely with secrecy that's maintained in government agencies when they want to move a black project through.
[00:01:27]  So they don't want it tracked by the traditional bureaucracy.
[00:01:30]  And they come up with all these different ways and means to do it.
[00:01:35]  The groups that are doing that don't constitute kind of the average government, you know, the regular congresspeople and all the rest.
[00:01:43]  Although some of them, May be involved with that level of secrecy.
[00:01:47]  But most of this moves through this kind of murky swamp of black projects and continuity of government and other classified areas of government outlays.
[00:02:01]  And this gets us deep into the black budget as well and inevitably to the secret space program.
[00:02:08]  And of course, there's been a lot of interesting things going on there today that we're going to get into.
[00:02:14]  But I want to say right off the bat that this correlation of NIMSA, which is this group that Walter Bosley has brought forward in his research, which is basically a kind of a secretive industrial group coming out of the 19th century and its influence into the secrecy of the 20th century, is quite fascinating.
[00:02:36]  And the correlation between those two, I think, is going to prove to be quite amazing, along with all of the tie ins.
[00:02:45]  To the artwork of this very unusual figure named Charles Delshow, who has these strange, strange connections to these early air travel, space travel programs that were in the works a long time ago, far before what we know traditionally as NASA and the rest.
[00:03:05]  And the question is where did that come from?
[00:03:09]  What groups were maintaining it?
[00:03:10]  And where did it go?
[00:03:12]  Did it go on to dominate the 20th and 21st century space programs?
[00:03:17]  Those are the answers that we're going to get tonight.
[00:03:19]  I've been receiving fantastic feedback for last week's episode on the doppelgangers.
[00:03:25]  And this is so interesting because we go pretty hardcore on the topics, but they are all interlinking.
[00:03:32]  And you're going to find, strangely enough, as I've found this magic before many times, I know Olivia gets tired of hearing me talk about it for sure.
[00:03:42]  But there are so many strange synchronicities that tie in.
[00:03:47]  That it's off the charts when we get into certain levels of intrigue around this.
[00:03:53]  And of course, right in the heart of some of the stuff I'm going to present tonight, doppelgangers again.
[00:03:58]  So, but the great feedback that everyone gave us on that was fantastic.
[00:04:05]  One of the things I've mentioned that people have been sending me lately are all these X correlations.
[00:04:12]  And, you know, they're quite interesting because I found about 200 of my own just dealing with the aerospace projects and NASA and the Air Force.
[00:04:25]  And these space planes in particular.
[00:04:28]  And the basic theme was that a lot of projects would just go black, as it were, and then they would re merge with this X designation.
[00:04:37]  Or the X would get changed around.
[00:04:39]  And I found a few excellent episodes of that for us tonight, along with a group of these aerospace archaeologists.
[00:04:49]  And what they do is they look for these early programs and some of the early crashes around these special planes.
[00:04:55]  And they found some very interesting.
[00:04:57]  Thing has got some very interesting results when looking at the X planes.
[00:05:01]  They put together a book which is called X Plane Crashes, and it's Peter Merlin and Tony Moore.
[00:05:09]  This book actually came out a little while ago, maybe over five years ago now, but it's so interesting how it ties in with the research that we're doing when they are running across programs and they cannot figure out why the X's are coming up themselves because they're X plane aficionados.
[00:05:28]  And so, when we look at these military historians who get tripped up on those questions and don't have the X steganography as a guide, it's very interesting for us looking at it now with the X steganography as the key to why these things come up the way they do.
[00:05:44]  But it's interesting the questions that they ask and how it dovetails into what we're doing.
[00:05:48]  Very interesting indeed.
[00:05:50]  And, Olivia, how are we doing out there with everyone?
[00:05:52]  Doing great.
[00:05:54]  You guys can all start asking questions in all caps, please.
[00:05:59]  Yeah, definitely in the second.
[00:06:01]  Half of the program, and Walter's going to join us in about 45 minutes here.
[00:06:07]  But in the second half of the program, we're going to do QA with everyone like we usually do, and just ask all your questions in caps.

=== The Rosetta Stone of History (07:05) ===

[00:06:13]  It makes it easy for her to pick them out, and she does an incredible job of sort of correlating all the main themes, which is what we're going to need tonight.
[00:06:21]  There's been so many crazy things going on this week military drills out of nowhere in Los Angeles.
[00:06:29]  You know, we went through all the State of the Union hijinks, and now this weird.
[00:06:36]  Plan that they're introducing, which is supposed to be like the New Deal, but the Green New Deal.
[00:06:41]  And, you know, all these unusual kind of moves that we're seeing on the political side, we can tell that the lead up to 2020 is going to be quite dynamic.
[00:06:50]  And the thing is, given the types of subjects that we're prone to address in this series, it's fascinating because the secrecy is going to come to the fore in the next, you know, say between here and 2020, because these groups are now fighting it out and letting things out.
[00:07:08]  Also, and they also are making very open grabs for power.
[00:07:13]  As we saw in 2016, there was a lot of open grabbing around the UFO file when we had Hillary Clinton dancing all over the place saying that she knew what a UAP was and all this nonsense with her and John Podesta and Tom DeLong.
[00:07:32]  And then that all went way down the drain as a result of Trump getting in and then Trump coming in and saying, Well, I've got the Space Force.
[00:07:41]  And then these people rolling out Louis Elizondo, you know, as the leftover remnant of that op that was run out of the Clinton campaign.
[00:07:51]  Very strange dynamics, and you don't see those dynamics very much, along with the fact that we had this Harvard professor saying, Hey, you know what?
[00:07:59]  A Muamua is an alien spaceship, and I don't care if my colleagues put me down.
[00:08:04]  I'm going to say it anyway.
[00:08:07]  This is a little bit interesting to me because having lived through when Harvard professor John Mack took the abductee phenomena seriously and the incredible shellacking that he got from Time magazine, you know, is he insane?
[00:08:24]  You know, did he abuse his power?
[00:08:25]  Trying to get him thrown out of Harvard.
[00:08:29]  And then this guy, they just kind of embrace.
[00:08:32]  You know, the New York Times is like, wow, this guy has chutzpah.
[00:08:36]  So there's definitely a problem there with the little trial balloons that they're sending out.
[00:08:41]  We're keeping a close eye on them because the biggest liar in the whole bunch is the mainstream media.
[00:08:45]  Kate Schneider, who's in the house tonight, said that AOC just got a $10 million documentary deal with Netflix.
[00:08:53]  Wow.
[00:08:54]  Incredible.
[00:08:55]  I guess that was just announced.
[00:08:56]  Well, she knows, listen, you know, they've.
[00:08:58]  They just dropped this 28 year old into Congress.
[00:09:02]  She was completely backed.
[00:09:04]  And the story was well, she came from the streets and from the ghetto, but her dad's this rich architect.
[00:09:09]  So we've been getting a lot of misinformation about AOC, but that's a great one.
[00:09:15]  And we know that Deep State Kate gets a lot of the stories before anybody.
[00:09:20]  So there she is, breaking news on the spot.
[00:09:22]  And that's why we always turn into her stuff.
[00:09:24]  I think it is interesting, though, because the ex steganography itself, Is starting to become in focus.
[00:09:31]  We have groups that come out on their channels, like there's this anonymous group on YouTube.
[00:09:39]  And all of a sudden they're talking about Atlantis, and they even mentioned Paulina Zelitsky, which certainly her work is out there, but we're the ones who've been doing the work on her stuff over the past, say, six episodes.
[00:09:55]  Hello, Hot Zone.
[00:09:57]  But you might notice everyone suddenly is talking about this.
[00:10:00]  This is the kind of edge of the kind of work that we're doing, which is right at the heart of the period that we're in.
[00:10:07]  Things like the X technology and like the hot zone become very important power plays.
[00:10:14]  So, a lot of the things that we see, for example, going on in Venezuela relate very much to the hot zone activity, make no mistake about it.
[00:10:21]  So, I feel very confident in saying that this year is the year of the hot zone and the year of the X tech.
[00:10:27]  We're going to watch these two factors come out, and we're even going to be hearing about X steganography.
[00:10:33]  More and more.
[00:10:34]  So it's a nice thing that we have this foundation of some almost 50 episodes here of going through this entire history.
[00:10:42]  And what's amazing, and I was adding this up just recently, we've only gotten really to, you know, I'd say still less than 20% of the information that I have available.
[00:10:53]  That's just what I have for my own research and studying others and the background on this.
[00:10:59]  But it's an amazing thing with the interaction that we're having.
[00:11:04]  With everyone on this, because they have things to say that are going to widen that picture.
[00:11:09]  So, really, this is a very open source investigation.
[00:11:13]  I want to stress that.
[00:11:16]  And I feel that what we have with the ex steganography is very much what they had with the Rosetta Stone, which is this ability to finally be able to read it.
[00:11:25]  And of course, the Rosetta Stone, the reason we can read those hieroglyphs discovered in 1799 was this Rosetta Stone during the Napoleon raids.
[00:11:35]  And they found it and they translated it because it was there available in three languages.
[00:11:41]  And it was this kind of thing where these churches were saying, We owe allegiance to the emperor.
[00:11:48]  And they did it in three languages.
[00:11:50]  And thank God they were still using hieroglyphs at the time.
[00:11:53]  That's the only reason that we even know.
[00:11:55]  So, you know, this is the era where we're looking at a new kind of opening in terms of information.
[00:12:03]  And that's what the ex steganography is all about.
[00:12:06]  That's why the series and the information that we're studying is so important.
[00:12:12]  But I want to kind of give us something practical to go on.
[00:12:14]  So I'm going to start with these ex plane crashes before we bring Walter on.
[00:12:19]  I'm going to remind everyone that you're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
[00:12:22]  We've been, you know, It's been amazing.
[00:12:24]  People have been signing up for the newsletter.
[00:12:27]  There's been a tremendous response.
[00:12:30]  But that free newsletter is a good pipeline between us.
[00:12:33]  It keeps us on track with each other.
[00:12:35]  And I would say, you know, go to darkjournalist.com, sign up for the free newsletter.
[00:12:40]  It gives us that ability, even if the social media platforms go down, which, by the way, we have all kinds of issues with them.
[00:12:50]  But hey, I'm not complaining, as we know, some people are actually no longer on them.
[00:12:55]  You know, unperson, send them down the memory hole.
[00:12:57]  That's the way it goes now.
[00:12:59]  We did run across this incredible Jack Dorsey interview with Joe Rogan, which was embarrassing because Joe Rogan didn't mention the fact that he was censoring libertarians, conservatives, or left leaning people who didn't speak the right left language.
[00:13:15]  That's another one.
[00:13:16]  Let's not forget, this is not a left right issue.

=== Protecting the X Planes (15:07) ===

[00:13:18]  Censorship goes across the board.
[00:13:20]  Just ask Press for Truth or any of those guys, Professor Peter Del Scott.
[00:13:24]  Yeah, acceptable thought is becoming narrower and narrower.
[00:13:28]  Yes, yes.
[00:13:29]  It's that.
[00:13:30]  Graham Hancock calls it channel normal.
[00:13:33]  If you don't subscribe to channel normal, you're in trouble.
[00:13:37]  But I do think that we can see that the general state of interaction, if these guys aren't made to fess up to that kind of censorship, it's not a very good picture.
[00:13:48]  And it's going to be very clear who is giving you the real facts and who's giving you this kind of corporate version of things.
[00:13:56]  I just wanted to say that Esoteric 369 Wall said hot zone equals ideas room.
[00:14:03]  So, we could actually call the ideas room the hot zone.
[00:14:06]  Well, the hot zone, to be clear, is a region between Cuba and Bimini that exists in the Atlantic there in the Bahamas.
[00:14:17]  It's not the Bermuda Triangle, but it sure is damn close.
[00:14:21]  And what I've gotten information about, and it's getting corroborated by higher and higher centers, which is that the hot zone as a term has been in use for a long time.
[00:14:33]  Decades.
[00:14:34]  And what it relates to are these ruins that exist down there and this whole idea of Atlantis rising, and that there's some kind of effect in relation to this that they're tracking.
[00:14:47]  And groups like Autech, which is basically like America's underwater Area 51, they're off Andros Island.
[00:14:54]  These are places where the projects go blacker and blacker because who the heck is going to go over to Andros and start inspecting these guys' books and seeing what they're up to?
[00:15:04]  So, you know, it's funny how we get deflected, and there are very important things going on in Antarctica, make no mistake.
[00:15:12]  But I guarantee you, the hot zone is far more active, and they've been studying it, and they have better access to whatever it is that's going on there.
[00:15:20]  The hot zone becomes very important because of the whole Atlantis rising theme that's been there.
[00:15:27]  We've demonstrated it in the literature.
[00:15:29]  The mystery schools have warned us about it.
[00:15:31]  We've seen political actions related to it.
[00:15:34]  It's just a fact that there is land rising off the East Coast, and As a result of that, we're getting a look at some older civilizations that are under there.
[00:15:42]  That's the big secret.
[00:15:44]  You're not going to find that in the New York Times.
[00:15:46]  And this is the nature of part of the problem of what we're looking at.
[00:15:49]  So, you know, you can look forward to February, March, April, lots of hot zone reports.
[00:15:56]  And they're going to be some incredible figures coming forward to discuss these things with us.
[00:16:01]  The very best, the very best people.
[00:16:04]  All right, let's take a look at this.
[00:16:06]  Did you have another question for me?
[00:16:08]  Well, actually, Mayfield Jukes said, How does DJ not worry about X Protect silencing him?
[00:16:13]  And I was just responding that we choose not to live in fear.
[00:16:18]  Yeah, well, you have to understand how X Protect works also.
[00:16:23]  And I've introduced X Protect before.
[00:16:24]  I'm glad you brought it up, though, because X Protect and X Share, these two groups that kind of duke it out in this underground government, basically, X Share has this mandate that they want to share the technology, they want to move the culture forward, they want to inject it, they don't want to be stuck on this fossil fuel paradigm.
[00:16:48]  And X Protect is a group that wants to do the opposite, hold the secrecy.
[00:16:53]  And there's a group inside of X Protect that often is set out there to an investigator that gets too close to these things, which I think is maybe the import of your question.
[00:17:06]  And what they do generally is they try to ruin somebody's name.
[00:17:11]  That's their first protocol.
[00:17:13]  Then they try to pressure them using different techniques corporate techniques, bureaucratic techniques.
[00:17:19]  And then you find when you look through the UFO history, because this is wrapped up with the UFO file, you find that they will go so far as to eliminate certain researchers.
[00:17:30]  I think if you go all the way back to the 50s, you find people like Morris Jessup, and you can bring that all the way forward.
[00:17:38]  And even individuals like Gary Webb, in a sense, he wasn't dealing with the UFO file, but he was dealing with a corridor of hidden finance, and it's the same type of thing.
[00:17:53]  But certainly, people like Gary McKinnon, the incredible pressure that was put on Obama to extradite him here, that almost caused an international incident.
[00:18:03]  So, there's no question that these two forces are duking it out.
[00:18:07]  And the reports that come forward, like the type of stuff that we're doing, is very unique right now.
[00:18:15]  However, the kind of strands, the tapestry that it reaches out to, in some instances, the work of Peter Dale Scott, in some instances, the work of Dr. Joseph Farrell, in some instances, the work of Graham Hancock.
[00:18:30]  These things all come together.
[00:18:31]  That is, this research is related.
[00:18:34]  It's just that we have an advantage, in a sense, with the ex steganography to be able to see what's going on with some of these programs.
[00:18:41]  And I think that we're getting something now that can bring the great research that people have done, like Paulina Zelitsky, for example, in the Cuba ruins.
[00:18:51]  That stuff can come up now because we have the framework behind it.
[00:18:54]  People understand through the research that we're presenting that it.
[00:18:58]  That it has.
[00:18:59]  So that's pretty good.
[00:19:02]  And I will say also, in relation to these plane crashes, it's quite unique because I want to bring us into that mind of a regular military historian looking at the X steganography around these planes.
[00:19:16]  Now, the X planes, just to kind of give us an overview, the main program was done by Walter Dornberger, who is an incredibly high ranking Nazi that we brought over here, even though.
[00:19:31]  He was about to be tried at Nuremberg for crimes against humanity.
[00:19:35]  But he was a brilliant scientist, and they did the trade off there.
[00:19:40]  He was also von Braun's boss and the father of the space program.
[00:19:44]  But when he became sort of a bigwig and a VP at Bell Helicopter, he engaged in a number of programs that had to do with these space planes.
[00:19:58]  And some of those space planes, even though they were run in the 60s, still hold the speed records for today, which is quite remarkable when you think about it.
[00:20:06]  We do have the example of people like Lieutenant Colonel Philip Corso, who said what they were designed for was UFO recon.
[00:20:14]  So, you see how these things help us to understand what they were doing, why they were putting it all out there.
[00:20:20]  But the X planes were incredibly secret.
[00:20:23]  And as demonstrated by these historians, they go to tremendous lengths to even hide the crashes involved.
[00:20:31]  Of course, NASA's latest plane is the low boom flight demonstration.
[00:20:36]  It's the X 59.
[00:20:37]  This is their logo for it.
[00:20:39]  And the X is replete throughout.
[00:20:41]  And the X steganography is that signaling off saying, look, you know, this is the.
[00:20:46]  Our latest and greatest in the X series.
[00:20:50]  The X technology represents something that is well protected inside the UFO file, and it is some combination here of this deeper technology that was vouchsafed through time and something having to do with this UFO redevelopment technology.
[00:21:10]  Whatever it is that's in there is so secret that whenever we get around it and whenever we get a good fix on it, incredibly bizarre things start to happen.
[00:21:21]  I've attributed this to apotheum, which is an effect that takes place that kind of distorts physics.
[00:21:26]  So it's a kind of runaway physics that makes things not work properly.
[00:21:30]  That's why when we get around the UFO question, there are all these things about, well, they don't, you know, people miss time.
[00:21:35]  So it messes up time.
[00:21:37]  Then it messes up electricity.
[00:21:39]  It messes up energy.
[00:21:40]  It messes up the, you know, we have these people who have the sense of walking through walls and things like that.
[00:21:46]  So it completely distorts reality, however you want to describe that.
[00:21:49]  And it can't all be, you know, just some.
[00:21:52]  Somebody's emotional reaction to seeing an unusual craft or something they dreamed up.
[00:21:56]  There's just too many cases on record.
[00:21:58]  And also, we have too much trace evidence of things like when these craft come down, nothing will grow there, et cetera.
[00:22:06]  Let's take a look at the pilot who was over Mount Rainier in Washington, Kenneth Arnold.
[00:22:13]  And this is what he saw.
[00:22:14]  And that's what we call a flying saucer now.
[00:22:17]  But it looks kind of like a boomerang.
[00:22:21]  It's very unusual.
[00:22:22]  Craft or a wing.
[00:22:24]  And Arnold was one of the best pilots that we had.
[00:22:28]  And he said, Look, I saw a group of them and I followed them.
[00:22:31]  And they were kind of taking this strange thing and they looked like they were skipping like saucers across a pond.
[00:22:38]  And then they said, Hey, it's flying saucers.
[00:22:40]  And that's what they ran away with the whole thing.
[00:22:42]  But this was the opening up of the UFO file because now everyone was talking about it and there it was for everyone to see.
[00:22:50]  And ever since, they've been trying to kind of bottle that up because there was just a wave of this stuff going on.
[00:22:56]  In the 40s and late 40s, particularly 1947, which was this incredibly banner year.
[00:23:02]  So the question is what was it in place?
[00:23:06]  You know, like assuming that was, let's say, an off world civilization's craft, or let's assume it was a craft from a civilization that was here but advanced.
[00:23:17]  You know, this is where some of these things come together, you know, that both things are operating potentially.
[00:23:23]  And that's why the question around the X tech and NIMSA, which is this group that Walter Bosley has studied, is going to be so interesting when we have in mind.
[00:23:30]  Here.
[00:23:31]  But before we get into that, let's look at some of the X plane crash research, and then I'm going to do a quick dance onto the Orphic Circle that ties into this, and then we're going to go for Charles Del Show.
[00:23:44]  Okay, here is the basic setup for the X planes, which is this is a kind of secrecy.
[00:23:53]  This is how they demonstrate it.
[00:23:54]  Now you can see it's clearly a plane, but it's also demonstrating the X.
[00:24:02]  The way they maintain the projects and the way they maintain the secrecy is by using the steganography in the naming mechanism.
[00:24:09]  And this is something that the historians address in their book.
[00:24:13]  I've pointed out before that the X35, which is now the F35, you know, not only does it have the hat trick imagery and the missing ace and this kind of invisibility card going, but it has the X's all along the top here.
[00:24:30]  And, you know, this being the most advanced technology.
[00:24:34]  That we have where Trump was coming out and saying during these press conferences, it's invisibility.
[00:24:41]  We're invisible now.
[00:24:43]  And he's giving it away there so that Lockheed Martin and these people are saying, no, no, no.
[00:24:47]  He's just speaking figuratively.
[00:24:51]  But knowing Trump, he's speaking literally.
[00:24:53]  And this is, you can always get real.
[00:24:55]  And it is quite fascinating because, as I've pointed out, the ex steganography involving Trump is remarkable and off the charts.
[00:25:05]  Someone sent me.
[00:25:06]  One of these.
[00:25:07]  I don't know if they wanted me to use the name or not, so I won't, but I do appreciate it.
[00:25:11]  And this is President Trump's security agency.
[00:25:14]  And what are they called?
[00:25:16]  Xmark.
[00:25:16]  I mean, it is quite remarkable when we get around the X steganography just how much there is around President Trump.
[00:25:25]  And, you know, there's only a certain amount of that can be attributed to happenstance, especially when we know the track record.
[00:25:34]  So if we didn't understand what X steganography was, you'd just be like, huh, you know, isn't that interesting?
[00:25:40]  There's some X symbology.
[00:25:42]  But now that we know about X steganography and that it relates to these secret programs, it takes on a different meaning.
[00:25:48]  And we start to get a clearer picture of what's going on.
[00:25:50]  Yes, Miss Olivia.
[00:25:51]  Oh, I didn't have a question.
[00:25:53]  Would you like one?
[00:25:54]  No, no, go for it.
[00:25:55]  Okay.
[00:25:56]  So, Chris Radzion wants to know History's Blue Book, do you think that is a form of soft disclosure?
[00:26:04]  No, no.
[00:26:05]  I think they're just feeding into the interest of the times.
[00:26:09]  I sort of brought this up.
[00:26:12]  And for people who like the show, that's nice.
[00:26:15]  If you enjoy it, it's good.
[00:26:16]  But Project Blue Book was a whitewash anyway.
[00:26:19]  And even J. Allen Hynek, who's the main character inside of it, he went on to discredit it by saying it wasn't a real program to look for UFOs.
[00:26:29]  And we found out later that President Nixon was actually, when he was vice president, in charge of a program called CIA Blue Book.
[00:26:36]  That's the real program, but we don't have the records for that.
[00:26:40]  So this Blue Book exercise was like, oh, this guy saw something, but it was a hubcap.
[00:26:45]  You know, and every once in a while they throw in a kind of half real case there, but it was a superficial episode, kind of along the lines of, you know, a superficial exercise, kind of like the Warren Commission in a sense.
[00:26:58]  So think of Project Blue Book.
[00:26:59]  So if they were doing a program on the Warren Commission, I might watch anyway, but I'd know it's basically the portrayal of a whitewash.
[00:27:06]  So I'm not going to get that excited when they do it.
[00:27:09]  Joseph Farrell is in the house, by the way.
[00:27:13]  Hey, Dr. Farrell, it is great to have you here.
[00:27:16]  And of course, Joseph just did a blog on CERN and some of the things that are going on over there, and it is explosive.
[00:27:25]  I recommend everyone go to GizaDestar.com and read that because it's so very interesting.
[00:27:32]  And one of the things I want to get to, I'm going to remind everyone again that this guy's the name of his book, because it's so outstanding that I ran across this.
[00:27:43]  Because, you know, I guess someone could always say, because of my own research around the X, that I had a bias in relation to the X steganography.
[00:27:52]  I always love it when I find confirmation in sources that have nothing to do with me.
[00:27:56]  So, again, this is the book X Plane Crashes.
[00:28:00]  And it's by Peter Merlin and Tony Moore.
[00:28:04]  And the subtitle is Exploring Experimental Rocket Planes and Spycraft Incidents, Accidents, and Crash Sites.
[00:28:11]  And boy, did they find interesting things when they try to find the crash sites, including the fact that they were completely obscured.
[00:28:18]  But here's a few interesting things for our X Steganography to take on a whole different kind of magnification.

=== Kennedy and Mission Design (03:09) ===

[00:28:25]  This is what they say for the X Planes Explained.
[00:28:30]  The X designation is used to denote piloted, autonomous, or remotely piloted aerospace vehicles designed for testing highly experimental configurations.
[00:28:40]  Numerous piloted and unpiloted X planes have been designated, including variations of rebuilt and modified airframes.
[00:28:51]  There are arguably some aircraft that, by their nature, deserved X designation, such as the D 558 and D 5582.
[00:29:01]  Supersonic research planes.
[00:29:03]  And they go on to list some others in totally wondering why they didn't get the X designation.
[00:29:10]  And then they say for other aircraft, a YF designation, service test fighter, would seem more appropriate, such as the X 32, X 35 joint strike fighter technology demonstrators.
[00:29:21]  A few, most notably the X 8, X 9, X 11, and X 12, were rockets and missiles, not easily categorized as X planes.
[00:29:28]  So they're very, very confused.
[00:29:31]  These are military historians now, aerospace historians.
[00:29:34]  And they're like, we have no idea why they called these planes X-planes.
[00:29:37]  It doesn't make sense.
[00:29:39]  And they also are saying, you've got these other planes, like the D-558, which should have been called X-planes.
[00:29:45]  So opening the door to the fact that there's something else going on in the naming mechanism.
[00:29:51]  Okay, let's go a little bit further.
[00:29:54]  They start to get confused about this also, and they say, the X-plane designations are part of the Mission Design Series, MDS designation system.
[00:30:01]  Assignment of such numbers is regulated by the Department of Defense.
[00:30:05]  So they go through this process.
[00:30:07]  Then they describe it.
[00:30:09]  The process for requesting MDS designators is as follows.
[00:30:13]  Military departments must submit a written request for assignment for a distinctive MDS designator as early as possible in the development cycle.
[00:30:23]  So they go through and they coordinate all these things.
[00:30:26]  Then it says Note, Air Force agencies must coordinate MDS requests through the Applicable System Program Office, SPO.
[00:30:37]  Then the CASC will assign the MDS designator and transmit the request to the headquarters of the United States Air Force.
[00:30:47]  They say the piloted X planes include X 1 and so on.
[00:30:52]  Most of these, the Dornberger series, which were the most successful, the X 15 being the most successful of the bunch.
[00:31:00]  X 20, Dinosaur, shows up very strangely.
[00:31:04]  If you've watched any of the programs that we've done on the Kennedy assassination, the In the files of Guy Bannister, which were destroyed, but his wife saved the titles of the files and donated them to some library.
[00:31:17]  In those files, right underneath the Kennedy assassination file that he has on the assassination, he has Warcraft, Space Warcraft, and then he lists the X 20 dinosaur, which is quite unusual because, first of all, it's not a Warcraft.

=== Cults and Blue Chicken Memes (14:41) ===

[00:31:35]  And second of all, what is it doing right next to President Kennedy's assassination in Guy Bannister's book?
[00:31:40]  And we know Guy Bannister is not only close to the X File, he's also in the UFO file, he's also close to the Kennedy assassinations.
[00:31:48]  Very unusual mix when we get into that area of X 15 and X 20 and some of the things that President Kennedy did in relation to the Blue Gemini space program.
[00:31:57]  Cliff High is also in the house.
[00:31:58]  Hey, Cliff.
[00:32:00]  Cliff's been doing some great programs and I think he's been doing a LARP too in relation to some alien stuff and really kind of showing us what a wild alien story sounds like.
[00:32:13]  It's great to have everyone here.
[00:32:14]  I'll remind everyone that you're watching the Dark Journalist show.
[00:32:18]  And we have a huge crowd tonight.
[00:32:19]  We're going to have Walter Bosley here shortly to discuss his research around the Empire of the Wheel story.
[00:32:26]  In particular, I always recommend this book, which is Origin.
[00:32:32]  This is one of his standout books for me because of the subtitle The 19th Century Emergence of 20th Century Breakaway Civilizations.
[00:32:42]  And, you know, Walter Bosley did an interesting thing there.
[00:32:47]  He's an interesting guy, too.
[00:32:48]  I want to say this, knowing Walter.
[00:32:50]  He's not the kind of guy who really tries to get into the spotlight very much, but he does a lot of quiet research under the radar, and it's high quality because, again, he comes out of the AFOSI, so he was special operations in the Air Force.
[00:33:04]  He understands these things very well, and that's where we get a little kind of a better edge.
[00:33:10]  For example, in our conversations with Walter and discussing Louis Elizondo and some of the things that Elizondo claimed for the TTSA, that he was manning this lowly UFO desk at the Pentagon and all the rest of it.
[00:33:25]  I think we were able to get some answers from Walter as a result.
[00:33:27]  I'm going to ask you a question right now.
[00:33:28]  So, I think looking back on it, do you think the community is starting to have better discernment?
[00:33:35]  Now, yes.
[00:33:36]  I mean, you know, we had this whole story going on today with the whole Blue Chicken cult and how people, you know, there's a couple of channels like Uni Rock and CW Chanter who came out with some things that the Blue Chicken cult were doing and operating behind the scenes to do hit jobs on people.
[00:33:56]  It was like hit jobs on me.
[00:34:00]  And Richard Dolan and other people, and their conversations came out.
[00:34:04]  It's almost like it's a little like Watergate.
[00:34:07]  I'm calling it Doc's Gate.
[00:34:08]  But Corey Goode and the Blue Chickens, of course, we've done a lot of reporting on them, lousing up the secret space work and coming out with these stories.
[00:34:17]  He's a galactic ambassador and all this kind of junk.
[00:34:21]  But what I do think is interesting that was kind of data dumped to those guys was that.
[00:34:31]  In the back rooms, in these Facebook groups, in these private Facebook groups, they have these things called Tasks Force.
[00:34:40]  So the Spear Being Alliance Task Force and the Love Majestic Task Force.
[00:34:45]  And they send these people out.
[00:34:46]  I see Walter approaching.
[00:34:49]  He's coming in for a landing.
[00:34:54]  So far, so good.
[00:34:58]  I'm setting up my tripod.
[00:35:00]  You might want to shut your mic off while you're doing it.
[00:35:04]  It's good to see you out there.
[00:35:05]  Let us know when you're ready, sir.
[00:35:10]  And then, you know, I think it is quite important when this happens because people inside those groups get disgusted with the kind of hit jobs that the cult makes them do.
[00:35:20]  And, you know, there are things in there instructing them to do hit jobs on me and Walter Bosley and Richard Dolan.
[00:35:27]  And, you know, I mean, it's just embarrassing the way that they talk.
[00:35:30]  And their whole thing is they're trying to protect this cult because, you know, they run out of gas, they run out of stories about blue chickens.
[00:35:36]  And so we're in a totally different paradigm.
[00:35:39]  So, to answer your question, are we getting better discernment now?
[00:35:43]  It's things like that.
[00:35:45]  When you think a couple of years ago that people were buying that kind of junk, and I think we're going to look back on a lot of the Q stuff that way too, that people, they're sort of getting a sense now that a lot of these things are either marketing ops or Intel PsyOps.
[00:36:00]  And either way, we're getting squeezed in the middle.
[00:36:02]  And we have to have a higher threshold for the truth.
[00:36:06]  And that's where things like dark journalism come in.
[00:36:08]  That's where, you know, We go deeper and we have the people and we have the quality, the brain trust of research.
[00:36:19]  Think of ForbiddenKnowledgeTV.net.
[00:36:20]  That's Alexandra Bruce, who has an incredible education, incredible background.
[00:36:27]  She is one of the best journalists out there.
[00:36:30]  Dr. Joseph Farrow was just talking about the Giza Death Star book series.
[00:36:35]  I mean, this is really quite remarkable.
[00:36:38]  Walter, what that frame is doing is it has you again doing that.
[00:36:43]  Kind of horizontal to vertical thing when it needs to be going like this.
[00:36:47]  That's weird because I've got my phone in the camera in the tripod that has me horizontal.
[00:36:56]  Let me see.
[00:36:56]  Walter, if you just lie down.
[00:36:58]  Yeah.
[00:36:58]  Oh, wait a minute.
[00:37:02]  I think I know what I can do.
[00:37:04]  Hold on.
[00:37:05]  By the way, we do hear that I've been seeing some comments going on in there.
[00:37:10]  There's a huge snowstorm that hit Portland, Oregon.
[00:37:14]  And When we think about this, that's very rare.
[00:37:17]  And so, good luck to our friends in Portland over the next few days dealing with that storm.
[00:37:22]  We've been incredibly lucky here in Cambridge and in the Boston area.
[00:37:26]  We haven't had anything.
[00:37:28]  It's been like complete, it's been kind of the most mild summer winter.
[00:37:34]  It's like, I mean, if you think about it, we've been in this remarkable zone.
[00:37:39]  Do you want to address a question about Edge of Wonder?
[00:37:43]  Yes.
[00:37:43]  Oh, yeah.
[00:37:43]  Okay.
[00:37:44]  Well, what do you think of them?
[00:37:45]  Very simple.
[00:37:46]  Well, Edge of Wonder is part of the Blue Chicken cult.
[00:37:49]  If you look at the people that they highlight, they came on board in December.
[00:37:55]  And it's a brand manager who did some stuff for the Epoch Times and a guy who's a comedian.
[00:38:02]  And they put them both together with a big budget.
[00:38:05]  And their website used to say Universal Paramount.
[00:38:07]  I don't know what the deal is with that.
[00:38:10]  But anyway, they hooked up with Wilcock and Good.
[00:38:13]  And all of their episodes are like, hey, it's our new thing.
[00:38:16]  It's an interview series with David Wilcock and Corey Good.
[00:38:19]  And, you know, next we have Laura Eisenhower, and here comes Michael Sellis.
[00:38:24]  So it's just, it is the new, you know, now that the Blue Chickens got thrown out of Gaia and they're getting thrown out of Jimmy Church and getting thrown out here, thrown out there, they've put together this thing with these guys, and it's the new Blue Chicken Psyop, and it's Edge of Wonder, and they're supposed to be these zany guys, you know, like, and they're into Bigfoot and secret spacemen, and they're also going to defend everyone against satanic ritual abuse.
[00:38:48]  They don't know anything about these things.
[00:38:50]  These people, Edge of Wonder, the Blue Chickens, they follow marketing trends.
[00:38:54]  They're a marketing cult.
[00:38:56]  This is a very unusual thing in our space, but a very usual thing in other spaces.
[00:39:01]  And, you know, marketing cult, what they do is they look at demographics for where they can target out to get their hands in.
[00:39:08]  And so they look at the vertical of the space and they go across the sides of the horizontals.
[00:39:13]  And that's all you see in shows like Edge of Wonder.
[00:39:15]  So you're not going to find anything real there.
[00:39:18]  You know, if you want to check it out, knock yourself out.
[00:39:23]  But yeah, thank you for addressing that.
[00:39:24]  And yeah, I think they're a disgrace, honestly.
[00:39:29]  Am I right now?
[00:39:31]  Walter, you look great.
[00:39:32]  It's good to see you.
[00:39:33]  Am I not perpendicular now?
[00:39:35]  You are indeed.
[00:39:37]  You are indeed.
[00:39:39]  How are you doing?
[00:39:40]  Good, good.
[00:39:41]  I'm really looking forward to talking about this X thing tonight, but it's kind of cool that the other thing came up.
[00:39:49]  You know.
[00:39:51]  Yeah.
[00:39:52]  Well, you and I have a habit of this when we schedule a show, and for some reason, some weird controversy breaks, and it's usually around the blue chickens.
[00:40:00]  Yeah.
[00:40:01]  But I guess my first question for you should be how do you feel about being included in the The data dump with the blue chickens trying to size up how to tie you in and make you look like you're a Saudi arms trafficker or something.
[00:40:16]  See, all I know, because I wasn't able to watch the whole thing yet, all I know is that I popped up in a meme.
[00:40:23]  Is that what you're referring to?
[00:40:25]  Yes.
[00:40:27]  I didn't hear where.
[00:40:28]  Here's what I find really interesting they include me on their list.
[00:40:33]  Can you hear me or should I use my headphones?
[00:40:35]  No, no.
[00:40:36]  No, no, you're fine.
[00:40:37]  Right now you're fine.
[00:40:38]  Okay.
[00:40:40]  They will include me on their list.
[00:40:41]  They'll include me as part of the dark cabal.
[00:40:43]  But I noticed that, unless I've missed something, they never talk about me openly directly or mention my name.
[00:40:51]  And hey, that, that, that, if it's an intimidation thing, because, you know, I'm one of those guys who, when you look up my background, you find that I don't lie about it.
[00:41:01]  So, you know, they know, they're like, okay, he's the real deal.
[00:41:05]  He was an Air Force officer, he was an OSI agent.
[00:41:08]  Okay.
[00:41:09]  Let's not mess with him on that.
[00:41:11]  It's kind of interesting how they include me, but they don't mention me.
[00:41:14]  Maybe they just don't want to give me the publicity.
[00:41:18]  No, I would agree.
[00:41:19]  They're very careful about who they go after and who they think they can get away with it.
[00:41:25]  I have to say, in relation to that data dump from Chanter and UniRock, which is quite remarkable because it shows those private Facebook groups scheming to take down people.
[00:41:38]  They had a data dump of the audio.
[00:41:41]  The woman was giving kind of an overview, and she's like, we have to do more to get that.
[00:41:45]  Darn dark journalist to stop reporting on this, you know, like make him look bad, throw him in there, make him look satanic, you know, make him look like the CIA.
[00:41:53]  And it's really funny, actually, because they have this thing with Dolan where they're like, we have to tie Dolan into these Saudi arms things so we can get Q people to hate him.
[00:42:03]  It's really like bizarre plans.
[00:42:06]  Everybody is saying that Walter needs to turn up his volume just a little bit.
[00:42:09]  He sounds good.
[00:42:10]  Yeah, he sounds good.
[00:42:11]  Yeah, I would turn it up a little bit.
[00:42:15]  Maybe this will help because it's got the inline mic.
[00:42:19]  Fantastic.
[00:42:21]  I see Gigi Young has joined us.
[00:42:22]  It's great to have you, Gigi.
[00:42:23]  I can hear you better now, too.
[00:42:24]  How's that?
[00:42:25]  Is the chat room hearing me better?
[00:42:27]  That's good.
[00:42:28]  That's good.
[00:42:28]  I got a message from Dave Altman that it was low.
[00:42:32]  Okay.
[00:42:33]  Okay.
[00:42:33]  It sounds good.
[00:42:34]  Is this better, Olivia?
[00:42:37]  Sounds good to me.
[00:42:37]  Yeah.
[00:42:37]  Fantastic.
[00:42:38]  We're all thumbs up.
[00:42:40]  If anyone is just joining us, you're watching The Dark Journalist Show, and we have Walter Bosley joining us.
[00:42:47]  The show tonight is actually episode 46 about Rogers.
[00:42:53]  Walter's book on Delshow and the Origins book.
[00:42:58]  And of course, we're big fans of your Empire of the Wheels series here, too.
[00:43:01]  But this Origins book is quite fascinating, and that's really what we're going to talk about.
[00:43:05]  It just so happens that there's this controversy breaking about this data dump that came out that showed we have this cult operating in the space, and they were doing things to target particular people like me, like Walter, like Richard Dolan, and so on.
[00:43:21]  But we've seen it all before, right?
[00:43:23]  Oh, yeah, absolutely.
[00:43:25]  What's satisfying about this time, though, is seeing who it was.
[00:43:30]  I think.
[00:43:30]  I, you know, Miss Joy knows who she is.
[00:43:33]  Oh, yeah.
[00:43:34]  A lot of people know who she is.
[00:43:36]  Yes.
[00:43:37]  And I found out that there's, you know, 18 people on my Facebook friends list that are, you know, followers or, you know, likers of hers.
[00:43:46]  That doesn't mean they're guilty of anything.
[00:43:47]  But, you know, what's interesting is then I find that when I looked on Twitter, I find that she had blocked me at Twitter and I don't recall ever having any interaction with her.
[00:43:58]  No, no, no.
[00:44:00]  She did that immediately after the.
[00:44:01]  The data dump, and I should explain that Joy is this woman who is kind of Cory Good's hatchet man, hatchet woman in this case, and she's the one who's leading all the memes.
[00:44:10]  So when you see all those weird memes about me dressed up as a CIA officer or in the Air Force or whatever, or when you see Richard Dolan and they put him next to like Yurka from Gaia and they do all this stuff, like Dolan is part of the cabal.
[00:44:24]  That's all her.
[00:44:25]  She's cranking it out.
[00:44:26]  And what's great about the data dump on those two things is they show them talking, like, is this hard enough?
[00:44:31]  You know, did Did this get the reaction that we needed?
[00:44:34]  And she's sitting there directing the whole exercise.
[00:44:36]  Now, what's interesting is, of course, she's supposed to be like a psychic love and light.
[00:44:40]  I'm going to give you a reading.
[00:44:42]  Yeah, that's what her YouTube channel espouses all this smiley, I'm just your neighborhood psychic, you know.
[00:44:50]  Crap.
[00:44:51]  Yeah, but she's got the Uzi in the back there with the attack memes, and she has the attack machine ready to go.
[00:44:58]  So, ready, always ready to deliver Corey Good's direct instructions, too, by the way, if people haven't seen the data dumped.
[00:45:06]  You know, this is Corey says this.
[00:45:07]  This is what, you know, it's hilarious.
[00:45:10]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:45:11]  Well, that's what a cult does.
[00:45:13]  And, you know, that's the cult behavior that we've been talking about for a couple of years in relation to them, but it takes a while to bubble to the surface.
[00:45:20]  And now, finally, someone inside that group, you know, we had people like Teresa Yanaros who jumped out of the thing and was like, oh, you know, I can't go along with them trying to trademark the SSD.
[00:45:30]  Right.
[00:45:30]  And where has she been lately?
[00:45:32]  Well, she dropped.
[00:45:33]  You've taken a little break?
[00:45:34]  She dropped off the radar pretty substantially, yeah.
[00:45:36]  And, you know, while these guys fight it out, because of course these guys, what's interesting to me, if you look at those memes, just to take a minute to work on this for a minute, they are in there figuring out how to take down Jimmy Church.
[00:45:50]  He used to be their number one guy, he was the guy who rolled them out.
[00:45:54]  Oh, yeah.
[00:45:55]  You know, next they're going to be taking down Wilkity Wilcock, you know, Deep State Tree Wilcock.
[00:46:02]  The guy's talking to trees now.
[00:46:04]  So he'll just, yeah, he'll just change his shtick, right?
[00:46:07]  I mean, This latest thing, I think you guys are probably talking about it on Edge of Wonder, this Terminator robot army.
[00:46:14]  I mean, come on, Dave.

=== Illuminati and Rational Thinking (12:03) ===

[00:46:16]  Seriously, people, are there some of you out there that actually believe that?
[00:46:21]  Please use some common sense, use some rational thinking.
[00:46:24]  And I know already somebody out there chatting is going to say, oh, that shill Bosley for the cabal oligarchy or whatever.
[00:46:32]  He doesn't know what he's talking about or he's covering, but come on, people.
[00:46:36]  You're a Prussian agent, admit it.
[00:46:38]  Yeah, now I'm a Prussian agent, I'm sure.
[00:46:40]  Yeah, or a Saudi.
[00:46:42]  A Saudi agent.
[00:46:43]  Saudi?
[00:46:43]  Hey, you're a Saudi gun runner, god damn you.
[00:46:45]  God.
[00:46:47]  Hey, they used to just like, what did they used to say about me?
[00:46:50]  Oh, he's Illuminati.
[00:46:51]  Now they have to get elaborate.
[00:46:52]  It's like arms, you know.
[00:46:53]  I'm an arms runner.
[00:46:55]  What's interesting is what's interesting about that, and I hope their agents who are watching, their little sneaky representatives who are paying attention to this.
[00:47:05]  When you start accusing people of things like that, you are making damn serious legal allegations, okay?
[00:47:13]  And the FBI and the NSA can find you, no matter what your little clever screen name is, you know, they can find you and they can say, oh, you've accused Daniel List.
[00:47:25]  Of being an arms dealer.
[00:47:26]  You've accused a military officer and a former federal agent of being associated with Saudi's arms dealers.
[00:47:32]  What's your evidence?
[00:47:33]  Oh, you don't have any?
[00:47:35]  By the way, that's a felony accusation, a false allegation like that.
[00:47:39]  They need to shut up with stuff like that.
[00:47:41]  It's too late already because they've already put that stuff out there.
[00:47:44]  That's an excellent point.
[00:47:47]  Saying you're Illuminati and saying you're cabal, that's okay.
[00:47:50]  Ha ha ha.
[00:47:51]  But when they say this arms dealer stuff, this weird Saudi agent thing, they're in trouble.
[00:47:58]  Right.
[00:47:58]  Like if you guys, you know, what they were good at is saying he has vampire eyes or something, you know, okay, you know, you're off on your weird little trip, but werewolf fingers.
[00:48:09]  No, they stepped over the line when they crossed it all as a gang and when they went off the cliff was when they doxed Joe from the Carolinas.
[00:48:17]  He's a healthcare worker and he works with cancer patients, and they were advising their people to flood his place of work with harassing phone calls.
[00:48:25]  That was the bridge too far, and they've gone downhill ever since.
[00:48:27]  And now the release of their stuff, look, I've been working on their stories.
[00:48:30]  Go back and look at New Age Deep State.
[00:48:32]  That series is from 2017.
[00:48:34]  That's when I outlined the marketing cult that they were.
[00:48:37]  It's taken two years for everyone to get on board to figure it out.
[00:48:39]  But now that everyone has been screwed over, they're starting to get the idea.
[00:48:43]  Even Jimmy Church is starting to get the idea.
[00:48:47]  You know, a few years back, even that dastardly Bill O'Reilly, who used to be on Fox, he went after this young college knucklehead who had hacked his website or his email or something.
[00:49:00]  And I believe that kid was charged and convicted.
[00:49:04]  Yes.
[00:49:05]  Now, I know O'Reilly was a big guy at that time, but if that kid for.
[00:49:14]  Oh.
[00:49:14]  If that kid for just.
[00:49:16]  Sorry about that.
[00:49:17]  I got a phone call from someone who I told specifically not to call me because I'm on air.
[00:49:23]  Anyway.
[00:49:25]  Was that Illuminati interference?
[00:49:26]  Are you just covering?
[00:49:27]  It was Illuminati.
[00:49:28]  It's just family.
[00:49:29]  You can't choose them, you know?
[00:49:32]  Anyway.
[00:49:33]  Ah, interrupted.
[00:49:34]  Where was I?
[00:49:35]  Oh, the O'Reilly thing.
[00:49:36]  Now, if he can get that kid convicted.
[00:49:39]  Haven't these guys with harassing Joe at his job and all these other things?
[00:49:45]  Is anybody turning this stuff over to the authorities?
[00:49:48]  Yes, actually.
[00:49:49]  I've heard now two solid sources that there are two cases pending on this.
[00:49:55]  And here's what's interesting in Joe's case, it's a violation of the HIPAA laws because healthcare workers are protected.
[00:50:02]  So they made the mistake there and they got little, you know, Corey's kid, Jordy, to go out there and do it and promote the.
[00:50:10]  Now, what's interesting, they got him to go out there and promote the docs, and that's why we did that whole no docs thing.
[00:50:17]  But in this, what we find out is that the woman who was running it, the account, he picked up the account supposedly randomly and ran with it and was like, oh, I found this random account that said it, which had started up that day.
[00:50:29]  And it was his friend there, this woman, Joy, who had put this together.
[00:50:33]  So they're a pretty despicable group, as we know, but now it's on record and out there.
[00:50:37]  And I do recommend Uniroc's report on it, it was excellent.
[00:50:41]  Chanter's report with the data dump.
[00:50:43]  Excellent.
[00:50:44]  By the way, there's more to come on that.
[00:50:46]  And those guys are just in a heap of trouble, as usual.
[00:50:50]  I hope.
[00:50:50]  It's becoming embarrassing, actually.
[00:50:52]  And, you know, we have Wilcock out there talking to trees and saying the deep state tree fell in his backyard.
[00:50:58]  I mean, it's really that and the Terminator Roebarts and the Edge of Wonder trying to turn the space into this, like, you know, really horrible cartoon of.
[00:51:10]  Because they're the Blue Chickens, too.
[00:51:12]  So they have all that going on.
[00:51:13]  Laura Eisenhower, Cell, all those people are his guests.
[00:51:16]  So that's not a real show.
[00:51:18]  You know, let's get real.
[00:51:19]  Okay, that's just a market.
[00:51:21]  But I think it is important to point out because there's a very.
[00:51:25]  And this goes back to a question that got asked earlier.
[00:51:26]  There's a very strong delineation going down, I think, between genuine material or material that's worth looking into.
[00:51:35]  And there's a whole variety of that.
[00:51:36]  And then there's this other stuff.
[00:51:38]  It's like this marketing claptrap that's just trying to pull clickbait titles and deep state cabal barges heading for Gitmo and junk like that.
[00:51:49]  It's not happening.
[00:51:50]  I mean, that's not real research.
[00:51:53]  Wasn't the Q thing kind of shot down too?
[00:51:56]  So all these.
[00:51:58]  All these indictments and all these secret arrests and tribunals.
[00:52:02]  I mean, most of us knew that was a load of crap, but it just should wake up a lot more people.
[00:52:09]  I hope it does.
[00:52:10]  Well, Walter, you've been through it, you've seen it.
[00:52:14]  You remember after the Secret Space Program conference, there was all this weirdness about this sort of fake caricature version of the Secret Space Program research.
[00:52:23]  Yeah, they derailed the Sirius thing for three years.
[00:52:27]  Amazing, amazing.
[00:52:29]  Three really crucial years.
[00:52:31]  Yes, absolutely.
[00:52:33]  But now we're back, baby, right?
[00:52:36]  With a vengeance.
[00:52:38]  And I think this time we are not going away.
[00:52:42]  And we are even more staunchly that nonsense.
[00:52:46]  You go to one of these shows, these conferences, shows, sorry, bad choice of words.
[00:52:51]  One of these conferences, those bozos and bozos like them are not going to be on that stage.
[00:52:56]  There's going to be no Corey Good.
[00:52:57]  There's going to be no Jason Rice.
[00:52:59]  There's no Emery Smith.
[00:53:01]  If you guys are watching, if your pals are, Forget it.
[00:53:04]  Don't even bother.
[00:53:05]  Okay.
[00:53:05]  Because it's serious scholar time again.
[00:53:08]  Absolutely.
[00:53:09]  Absolutely.
[00:53:09]  I couldn't agree more.
[00:53:10]  And let's get into some of that now.
[00:53:13]  It is fascinating, though.
[00:53:14]  I do like the idea of the changeover that's happening in the space, which is, you know, the work of Catherine Austin Fitz, the work of Dr. Farrell, your work.
[00:53:24]  I've pointed out individuals like Alexander Bruce.
[00:53:28]  Like there's such quality stuff here.
[00:53:30]  And I think we really need to get behind that and to, you know, now let the circus crash over there.
[00:53:36]  Like one of those early airships just go down, hit hard.
[00:53:41]  It will be interesting to see what they drum up and get behind to try to derail us this time.
[00:53:49]  Yes.
[00:53:49]  Because, you know, chances are, my opinion is between Corey and Wilcock and TTSA, somebody was massaging that situation to get people's attention off of the serious situation.
[00:54:06]  Secret space program research that had been done for a few years by that time.
[00:54:13]  Those conferences of 2013, 14, and 15 were presenting serious scholars.
[00:54:21]  There wasn't the silliness.
[00:54:23]  There was a serious investigation being done on the money aspect and the technological aspect.
[00:54:29]  And some progress was being made as far as uncovering the reality.
[00:54:35]  And I think.
[00:54:37]  And I'm not the only one that somebody didn't like it.
[00:54:42]  You know, who's that somebody?
[00:54:43]  The people running the actual classified manned space program, you know, were probably not wanting people to focus on that.
[00:54:51]  So along comes Corey Good, Wilcock, and then TTSA, you know, a year later.
[00:54:57]  And anyway.
[00:54:59]  Yeah, well, it's interesting.
[00:55:00]  And I've done a lot of research on Stratford in relation to this.
[00:55:05]  And I see a group like that as a good candidate for interference, especially since I know there was a person from Stratford at the 2015 Secret Space Conference.
[00:55:15]  So, and Stratford being that.
[00:55:18]  Kind of think tank of retired Intel guys, and you find a lot of like Bobby Inman and stuff in there, and uh, you know, giving their wonderful advice.
[00:55:27]  But I do think that there's um, there's the need to change the tone when you get around like the missing trillions aspect, it's explosive.
[00:55:36]  Uh, when you get around the real, uh, like the X technology, some of the deep research, the things that you've done in your career with the Empire of the Wheels series and with Origins, you've tied it back to these industrialists, and that thread.
[00:55:51]  We can follow that thread almost 160 years back.
[00:55:54]  Oh, yeah.
[00:55:54]  Yeah.
[00:55:55]  It's, uh, this is what's been fascinating for me in following this is that we take it easily back to the 1850s.
[00:56:05]  And I'm still pushing that limit because, you know, the cultures, the, um, the, uh, technology culture and the ancient history cultures, uh, those scholars, the philosopher scientists, as they called them, you know, these guys were, um, Digging into these things farther back than the 1850s.
[00:56:29]  I mean, this goes back centuries, of course, as we know.
[00:56:32]  The Royal Society, when it was founded in the 17th century, I think, they were brought together to create a more powerful, advanced navy for England at that time.
[00:56:48]  That's why the Royal Society was founded.
[00:56:51]  The Crown wanted a stronger, better navy.
[00:56:53]  So these guys came together to do that and they decided to stay together.
[00:56:57]  And found this society that they could pursue their philosopher, scientist pursuits, which, if you look closely, included these things we're talking about in the 1850s this chemical induced propulsion or lift, which was essentially anti gravity in effect.
[00:57:18]  Right.
[00:57:19]  You know, and then when you start looking, when you go back there to those guys, well, you found the end of the thread at which the other end is Nazi Germany.
[00:57:29]  Fooling with the bell, right?
[00:57:31]  Yes, and I feel like you know that's what I've contributed.
[00:57:35]  I've been able to push back the development of the bell to the Del Show era of the 1850s.
[00:57:41]  And I know the uh, the Hanabu um, reverse engineer ET saucer people don't like to hear that, they don't want to hear it at all.
[00:57:51]  But um, you know, the historical facts are the facts, and when you look at the historical context, you see that it does go back to these guys mid 19th century and before.
[00:58:04]  The deeper you go, it seems to me that it really does crisscross anyway with the off world stuff to a certain extent.
[00:58:11]  That's the beauty of it.
[00:58:12]  That's the irony these guys were doing things that would have allowed them to mess around up there.
[00:58:19]  Yes.

=== Wilson, Art, and UFOs (15:03) ===

[00:58:20]  Well, you made a great point about Del Show.
[00:58:24]  Your research on Del Show, how did you get interested in Del Show?
[00:58:27]  Because, first of all, he's this very important figure, but we barely, we should not theoretically have his work.
[00:58:36]  And all the work that he did on the early airships.
[00:58:38]  It should have been destroyed there back in some earlier period, but somehow it survived.
[00:58:44]  Well, Del Shell himself, here's what's interesting.
[00:58:47]  I came into an interest in this through I had first read about the great airship mystery back in the 80s.
[00:58:56]  And then I learned about Wilson from my father, the mysterious Wilson.
[00:59:04]  Now, for those familiar, they know that this mysterious Wilson family.
[00:59:09]  Has been involved dating back to the Sonora Air Club of the 1850s, definitely involved in the airship mystery of the 1890s, and involved in the project my dad told me he worked on in the late 1950s.
[00:59:25]  In fact, that was the first Wilson I ever heard about.
[00:59:28]  My dad was in the hospital with a blood clot.
[00:59:30]  This was the year before he had his heart transplant, and he was all drugged up, and I was in the room, and the nurses were out.
[00:59:37]  Nobody else was there.
[00:59:39]  And he was just really sedated, so he started gibbering about.
[00:59:43]  Strange things, being underground, a crystal house.
[00:59:48]  And he kept talking about Wilson, Wilson, Wilson.
[00:59:50]  He kept mentioning Wilson.
[00:59:52]  And so I, after visiting him, remember this is 92.
[00:59:57]  I didn't have a cell phone then.
[00:59:58]  Not everyone had them.
[00:59:59]  And your dad with the military background.
[01:00:02]  Yeah, my dad had been in the Air Force in the 50s.
[01:00:05]  So I call my mentor to just because he's family.
[01:00:10]  He was family.
[01:00:10]  He was an uncle.
[01:00:11]  Just to let him know how my dad's doing.
[01:00:13]  And I told him, you know, that my dad was.
[01:00:16]  Gibbering about this weird stuff.
[01:00:18]  Now, remember, my uncle had retired with 44 years in the intelligence community.
[01:00:22]  He was U.S. Army Special Forces before that.
[01:00:25]  He's my mentor in my career.
[01:00:27]  So I happened to mention, you know, hey, my dad keeps mentioning this Wilson character.
[01:00:31]  And I said, who's Wilson?
[01:00:33]  And he said, I can't, I don't want to discuss that with you over the phone.
[01:00:36]  When I see you, I'll tell you.
[01:00:40]  And then when I saw him a couple months later, he said, the first thing he said was, Wilson is the most brilliant man you've never heard of.
[01:00:48]  Oh, yeah.
[01:00:49]  Well, I had, you know, when you're reading all the things like in our milieu, you know, the David Childress books, particularly the Man Made Flying Sausage, which is the first David Childress book I'd ever read in the 90s, I saw where Wilson, there were Wilsons mentioned in this airship mystery.
[01:01:10]  And so I was coming from a very basic understanding, like most people had of the airship mystery, that this had happened in the 1890s.
[01:01:18]  And isn't it interesting?
[01:01:19]  There were these guys named Wilson and on and so forth.
[01:01:22]  I believe the first time I ever heard the name Charles Delshow was when I was talking with Greg Bishop, probably around 2005, 2004, 2005.
[01:01:35]  A Mirage Man.
[01:01:37]  Yes.
[01:01:37]  Yeah.
[01:01:39]  And he told me about, well, there's this guy, Charles Delshow, and he had done these interesting drawings.
[01:01:46]  And you ever heard of the Sonora Aero Club?
[01:01:48]  And so it was, what is that, going on 15 years ago now?
[01:01:53]  And So, I was vaguely familiar with the Sonora Aero Club and Del Show's works.
[01:01:59]  Of course, I had read Theo Pyman's book on John W. Keeley, which talks about Nimza and that mysterious group that we're going to talk about.
[01:02:09]  But it wasn't until I read Dennis Crenshaw's book, The Secrets of Del Show, that I really started learning the details of the story.
[01:02:20]  That was back in, I think I read it in 2011.
[01:02:24]  His book he wrote in 2009.
[01:02:27]  And so.
[01:02:29]  It just kind of all, you know, was piling on and coming together.
[01:02:33]  And the more I looked at it, the more this particular view I have of it all makes great sense.
[01:02:41]  Right, right.
[01:02:42]  Well, it's fascinating too because he did some amazing work and you drew from his stuff.
[01:02:48]  It's interesting that you mentioned that about Sonora because I discovered that through you and through your research.
[01:02:53]  So I always associate you with that.
[01:02:55]  And it's interesting because it's such a centerpiece of the work that you do, really, which is the Sonora Era Club.
[01:03:02]  Now, can you just, for people who don't know what it is, can you just give us a quick snapshot of what that is?
[01:03:06]  Yeah, sure.
[01:03:07]  And I'd like to throw out there too it was Crenshaw's book.
[01:03:11]  It's Mike Busby's Solving the Great Airship Mystery of 1897.
[01:03:17]  It's Tim Schwartz and Sean Castile's Tesla book Did Tesla Go to Mars?
[01:03:23]  And Theo Pymans.
[01:03:24]  I read all these guys, and that's how I initially got educated on the Sonora Air Club.
[01:03:31]  But basically, Charles Delshaw was a German immigrant who.
[01:03:36]  Came into the United States through Texas, interestingly enough.
[01:03:41]  And he goes out to California.
[01:03:46]  This is the 1850s, of course.
[01:03:48]  And essentially, in his journals that he writes, I think between the late 1880s and up till 1923 when he died, he says that he was sent to the United States, to California, by this mysterious group, Nimza.
[01:04:04]  He doesn't say what his association with them is.
[01:04:07]  He just says he was sent out there to observe and report on the Sonora Aero Club in Tuolumne County, California, out here just like on the western side of Yosemite National Park.
[01:04:22]  And these were a group of, these guys were a group of German immigrants themselves with a few Italians.
[01:04:31]  And they were secretly toying around with, for lack of a better term, anti gravity.
[01:04:41]  Lift.
[01:04:42]  Okay.
[01:04:42]  They were building these little contraptions.
[01:04:44]  They weren't balloons.
[01:04:45]  They weren't dirigibles.
[01:04:47]  They were these little contraptions, which over time they got a little bigger.
[01:04:52]  But they used this weird, I guess, chemical fuel, liquid fuel.
[01:04:59]  It was this green liquid, which the guy who created it was the only one who knew the formula called SUPA, S U P E, is how it was spelled.
[01:05:08]  And that guy's name was Peter Menes.
[01:05:12]  He was the head of the Sonora Aero Club.
[01:05:14]  Well, anyway, these guys are building these things and test flying them, according to Dell Show, in Tuolumne County.
[01:05:23]  They go out in the middle of nowhere.
[01:05:24]  Now, if you've been out to Tuolumne County, up to Sonora, it's the gold country.
[01:05:29]  Columbia is there and these other small places.
[01:05:35]  There's still areas, wide open areas, where you could see that in the 1850s there would have been nobody.
[01:05:42]  At all.
[01:05:42]  And if you were flying machines, you could have done it without being seen at all.
[01:05:47]  All right.
[01:05:49]  And these guys were doing this where the Italians came in.
[01:05:51]  The Italians were the ranchers.
[01:05:53]  And the Italians that were involved would allow these German guys in the Sonora Aero Club to use their barns as kind of workshops and a place to hide these devices, these craft called arrows, A E R O.
[01:06:11]  And they'd use them kind of as secret hangars, right?
[01:06:14]  And they would have this.
[01:06:20]  There were these days where in town everybody was busy with some type of holiday.
[01:06:25]  They would go out to a particular area and fly their arrows, according to Dell Shao, while everyone else was busy doing things in town.
[01:06:34]  And we're talking about the Civil War era here.
[01:06:36]  This is way back.
[01:06:37]  10 years before the Civil War.
[01:06:39]  Right.
[01:06:40]  This is a decade before the American Civil War.
[01:06:42]  We're talking flying machines, okay?
[01:06:44]  What's interesting, too, is where they would go out and fly, interestingly, became the private airport that's out there today.
[01:06:57]  And it has been there for decades.
[01:06:58]  So, the area that these guys flew became the private airport.
[01:07:03]  And it's one of the last airports with a grass runway.
[01:07:07]  Still exists, the old runway out there.
[01:07:09]  So, you can go and you can see the area that Del Show describes.
[01:07:13]  In fact, I did, when I went up there and did a couple of research tours, I went with Seshari, my writer friend, and we found a few of the places that Del Show talks about.
[01:07:24]  So, Del Show's there in the 1850s.
[01:07:27]  He's there to observe and report on these guys.
[01:07:29]  He ends up really liking what they're doing and he likes them.
[01:07:32]  And they are very private about this.
[01:07:37]  And eventually, as Dal Shao writes in his journals, NIMSA, the mysterious organization which is based in Germany, it was a German organization.
[01:07:46]  Its headquarters was in Germany.
[01:07:48]  It was not a New York anything.
[01:07:50]  A lot of people, because of the NY spelling, they think it's New York.
[01:07:54]  I, of course, have translated, or excuse me, I have offered a translation of NIMSA in German, which we'll get to.
[01:08:00]  But NIMSA, Sends a guy over from Germany who Delshow only describes as a Prussian officer.
[01:08:08]  Now, this Prussian military representative of Nimza keeps pushing them to build arrows for military purposes, and they don't want to.
[01:08:18]  Peter Menes and these Germans, no, no, we're not interested in that.
[01:08:21]  This is not for that.
[01:08:23]  Well, the German guy, you know, we assume he goes back and reports this, and not long after that, there's an explosion during a flight.
[01:08:33]  And Peter Menace, we are told, is killed.
[01:08:36]  Now, whether Nimza killed him because of the lack of cooperation, or perhaps he faked his death, I'm not sure which is the case.
[01:08:46]  Fascinating.
[01:08:48]  Wow, it's amazing.
[01:08:50]  It sort of boggles the mind because we think of the Wright brothers.
[01:08:53]  And that's, you know, we're talking turn of the century, 1903.
[01:08:56]  1903, yeah.
[01:08:57]  Yeah.
[01:08:58]  This is 50 years back, and these guys are flying there in the middle of California.
[01:09:03]  And there are stories back there, like you mentioned, and we have the great airship mysteries that come later of these incredible craft flying around.
[01:09:12]  And you see how it's related to that.
[01:09:13]  I'm going to show a picture here of Del Show to give everyone that one up.
[01:09:19]  There he is, a real person, not a phantom, but a very unusual person.
[01:09:26]  And the way that we like to jump around a little bit here how did we even come into possession of his incredible descriptions?
[01:09:33]  And I have some of his art, which we'll show, but I mean, just to give you a quick.
[01:09:38]  Kind of idea of the things that he drew about these arrows, which are very, very sophisticated drawings.
[01:09:44]  And Olivia, you know, you with your art.
[01:09:47]  I love them.
[01:09:48]  They're so festive and whimsical.
[01:09:51]  Yeah, but what's great is when you look closely, they're functional for what Del Show described they were doing.
[01:10:00]  Now, here's the thing Del Show died in 1923.
[01:10:03]  He had done numerous volumes of the art that you see there, plus he left a written journal.
[01:10:10]  Okay.
[01:10:11]  Now, in 1971, these books, this journal, ended up at a junk dealer shop, Fred Washington.
[01:10:23]  And in Texas, gosh, I believe a suburb of Houston, if I'm mistaken on that, I apologize.
[01:10:30]  But they end up at this junk shop of a gentleman named Fred Washington.
[01:10:36]  And he's just going to, you know, just kind of leave them there for anyone that's interested.
[01:10:43]  And he had found them thrown out in the trash.
[01:10:49]  The family had sold the property, and these books were just thrown out in the trash.
[01:10:55]  And Fred Washington happened to see one, and he gathered them up, and they said, Yeah, you can have them.
[01:11:01]  So he had them back at his junk shop for people to look at.
[01:11:05]  He was interested in selling them.
[01:11:07]  Well, along comes Pete Navarro.
[01:11:09]  This is 1971.
[01:11:11]  And Pete is looking at these things, and he's just fascinated with them.
[01:11:14]  And on the budget that he has to work with, he buys a few of the books, as many as he can, but he can't buy them all.
[01:11:23]  And it's really Pete Navarro that we must thank for even knowing him and Fred Washington, these two guys, for us even knowing anything about Dell Shell because those books would have just ended up destroyed.
[01:11:37]  He snatched it from this legacy of just disappearance.
[01:11:42]  Right, right.
[01:11:44]  But here's the other interesting thing, which, by the way, Comes up in my new book, Secret Missions 4, that's going to be released soon.
[01:11:53]  Along comes some university students, and they find some of these books and they buy a couple of them to do this museum exhibit.
[01:12:05]  Well, one thing leads to another, and Del Show's art ends up, you're going to like this, ends up in the Manil collection.
[01:12:16]  Oh, yes.
[01:12:17]  Unbelievable.
[01:12:18]  John D. Manil.
[01:12:20]  He and his wife, Dominique.
[01:12:22]  Who turn up where?
[01:12:23]  They turn up in the JFK assassination milieu through their connection with Permindex and the international trademark.
[01:12:30]  Unbelievable.
[01:12:31]  Yes, the Demon Hills.
[01:12:33]  So they had it in their possession.
[01:12:36]  Yeah, the Manil collection, the Manil Museum, for years has owned a lot of these original Del Shows.
[01:12:47]  And they put them on display a few years ago.
[01:12:49]  Now, Stephen Romano of New York, the Romano Gallery, He and a publisher got together and they've put out this amazing book.
[01:12:59]  It's an expensive book, but it's big, full color plates of many of Del Show's, not the whole collection, but many of the best of Del Show, plus some of the.
[01:13:10]  It's a true location.
[01:13:11]  There's a gallery showing up there, a museum gallery in New York.
[01:13:17]  And most people in the art world, they, oh, he's just an outsider artist.
[01:13:21]  This is all flight of fantasy.

=== Combustion Engines and Fantasy (07:01) ===

[01:13:23]  You know, I'm sorry.
[01:13:24]  After my research, it's like, you know, kiss my butt.
[01:13:28]  This guy ain't no just.
[01:13:30]  It's like Richard Dreyfus and Jaws.
[01:13:32]  This was no boating accident.
[01:13:34]  This guy was no outsider artist.
[01:13:36]  Oh, God.
[01:13:38]  Yeah.
[01:13:39]  Absolutely.
[01:13:40]  So here we have the Manils.
[01:13:44]  They're interested in this.
[01:13:45]  And why is that important?
[01:13:47]  Well, that's kind of what I'm going into in Secret Missions 4.
[01:13:51]  So I won't belabor that point here.
[01:13:53]  But it's a very interesting.
[01:13:57]  Story about how we even know about Del Shell just today.
[01:14:01]  And here's what's interesting about it.
[01:14:03]  Here's what's interesting.
[01:14:04]  His stuff was unknown to the public until 1971.
[01:14:10]  Wow.
[01:14:10]  Okay.
[01:14:11]  And the last book he did was 1923 or before 1923, the year he died.
[01:14:19]  So here's what's interesting.
[01:14:20]  In the drawings, sometime in the 1890s, okay, he shows that the engine, and I didn't have that.
[01:14:30]  Let me show you here just because this is going to be good.
[01:14:33]  Here we go.
[01:14:34]  He shows.
[01:14:35]  He shows this.
[01:14:36]  I don't know if you can, my screen is small.
[01:14:40]  If you guys can see that, this is from the 1890s.
[01:14:43]  Okay.
[01:14:44]  This is him showing you what the propulsion and lift system was.
[01:14:48]  And what is that?
[01:14:49]  That, my friends, is Diglocka.
[01:14:51]  That's the bell.
[01:14:53]  It is.
[01:14:53]  It is.
[01:14:54]  It's the bell shape for sure.
[01:14:56]  And just to explain, it's on the, it's, it spins on the axis, the torsion.
[01:15:01]  And it, and, and the, uh, the weird fuel called the super, okay, the green fuel was, was, Injected into this thing just exactly like the bell.
[01:15:11]  And here's Charles Delshow saying that a group of guys in California were using that concept in the 1850s.
[01:15:18]  So, folks, sorry about Honobu.
[01:15:22]  Sorry about your beloved reverse engineer to crash ET saucer.
[01:15:27]  That's not where the Germans got the bell.
[01:15:29]  They got it because it was being developed for 70 years by the time they learned about it, okay, by other German.
[01:15:39]  Engineers, amazing, and let's fill this in here because, um, we've only known about the bell since the reunification of Germany, as uh, Joseph Farrell pointed out, and that's my and that's my that was my point I was getting to was we didn't know about Del Show's stuff in the bell until 1971, and he had died in 23.
[01:15:58]  So, it's not like Del, my point is, it's not like Del Show did this stuff after World War II, right, or or even after uh, the 80s or 90s, and the bell was out there, okay, um.
[01:16:14]  He did, he wrote about this decades before the Nazis were even fooling around with it.
[01:16:20]  It's a smoking gun.
[01:16:22]  It is a smoking gun.
[01:16:24]  That image is a smoking gun.
[01:16:25]  But what's weird is that we know the bell refers to torsion physics.
[01:16:31]  And so, therefore, that's pretty advanced for 1890.
[01:16:35]  Yeah, 1850s.
[01:16:37]  1850s, remember, is when he said they were doing this.
[01:16:40]  Well, here's the thing it is and it isn't, because remember, these guys always.
[01:16:45]  Understood these concepts long before the technology would catch up and allow them to apply these concepts.
[01:16:52]  But also, you know, somebody can, you know, here's the thing I couldn't explain to you technically in detail how a combustion engine works, right?
[01:17:05]  But I drive one every day and I've worked on them, you know, in the days where you could get under the hood and work on, you know, changed oil filters and, you know, repaired them, you know, blah, blah, blah.
[01:17:16]  But I couldn't.
[01:17:18]  Like a technician explained to you exactly how the combustion engine works.
[01:17:22]  I know, you know, blah, blah, blah, so forth.
[01:17:24]  So I would say that in the 1850s, it's my opinion that these guys were drawing from older texts, probably dating back to those stories about the Vamanas and the Rama Empire of ancient India and all that.
[01:17:37]  They were working with concepts that philosopher scientists, that alchemists had been messing with and passed down through the years.
[01:17:45]  And they might not have had an advanced.
[01:17:48]  Physics understanding of it in the 1850s, but apparently they knew how to make it work.
[01:17:54]  They understood the basics and they put together the parts and the elements to make it work.
[01:18:02]  Well, we have some strange things there.
[01:18:05]  That's what's great about your work, too, because if we really go deep in there, you're actually referring to the mystery school legacy, keeping this down and passing it down among a small number of initiates.
[01:18:17]  And then, boom, at a certain point, this stuff starts to come out.
[01:18:22]  And when we're first seeing the advanced technology, you're giving us now into 1850.
[01:18:27]  A lot of people would point to Nazi Germany and they point to the UFO file in 1947, and they're like, wow, that's when we have the secret space program.
[01:18:35]  That's when things are really starting to advance.
[01:18:37]  What are these guys doing with the bell in 1850?
[01:18:40]  Exactly.
[01:18:41]  These fools had it.
[01:18:42]  Yeah.
[01:18:42]  Well, and then just read I also talk about Oliver Heaviside and his GEM, GEM, the Gravito Electromagnetics, okay, that he came up with, that he was fooling around with in the 1890s as well.
[01:18:59]  And so, you know, already we have the concept of the bell right there.
[01:19:06]  In the 1850s, the Sonora Era Club using a version, a crude prototype proof of concept version of the bell.
[01:19:12]  And then by the time you get to the 1890s, the era of the great airship mystery, you've got Oliver Heaviside with Jem.
[01:19:19]  And it's like, oh, wow, what are they doing with this prototype bell of the 1850s now that they can apply electromagnetics to it?
[01:19:28]  Okay.
[01:19:30]  Gosh, you know, there's the connector.
[01:19:32]  And then you go on into the 20th century.
[01:19:35]  And, you know, with Heaviside, As I get into an origin with Heaviside conceptually, it's there that you could create a kind of a life support bubble around the craft.
[01:19:54]  Theoretically, it's in there.
[01:19:55]  When you look at GEM, it's in there.
[01:19:59]  And that would answer how they came up with life support in the legend of the 1903 flight to Mars.
[01:20:09]  You know, and I was astonished because in 19, you know, you hear the 1903 story and you're going, ah, okay, but what about life support and all this?
[01:20:17]  And then when you learn about Heaviside and the Gravito electromagnetics, you're like, oh my, oh my God, that's how they could have done it.

=== Translating Nationalist Acronyms (03:15) ===

[01:20:25]  And you realize, okay, this is getting crazy because this is a line of history that we have not only not been taught, but discouraged to even consider.
[01:20:36]  Oh, absolutely.
[01:20:37]  Well, and that gets into Joseph Farrell talking about how.
[01:20:40]  The Germans or the Russians pursued a separate physics, I believe.
[01:20:45]  Oh, right.
[01:20:45]  Absolutely.
[01:20:47]  NIMSA.
[01:20:48]  We'll go right here.
[01:20:51]  The organization itself, let's discuss the kind of acronym first so people know what it is.
[01:20:59]  And whenever I think of your work, I always think of NIMSA as core, central to most of the work that you do.
[01:21:05]  Is this NYNMZA?
[01:21:10]  No, NYM.
[01:21:12]  NYMZA.
[01:21:14]  Yeah, NYMZA.
[01:21:17]  And it, as Del Shal says, was a German organization.
[01:21:23]  Now, we get NYMZA from Del Shal himself.
[01:21:29]  And it appears to be a transliterated spelling.
[01:21:35]  Now, what is a transliterated spelling?
[01:21:37]  Those of you who are linguists out there, I've had to study foreign language professionally some years back.
[01:21:43]  Had to study Russian, so I know I had to learn something about linguistics in college.
[01:21:47]  And then, of course, transliteration is when you take the easiest way to put it is if I want to spell a word from another language, particularly from another alphabet, but from another language, and I want you to pronounce it correctly, okay?
[01:22:09]  I will use the letters from our alphabet.
[01:22:13]  Okay, to come up with a spelling in our alphabet that mimics the proper pronunciation in the other language.
[01:22:23]  So, what that means is that the letters of NYMZA, in my opinion, because we're dealing with a German immigrant and it was a German organization, I think that was his transliteration into English of the pronunciation of the group.
[01:22:42]  But I argue that it would not have been the actual spelling in German.
[01:22:47]  Even though we use essentially the same alphabet.
[01:22:50]  So NYMZA, in my theory, becomes actually NJMZA.
[01:23:00]  Right.
[01:23:01]  Technically, the A would be lowercase.
[01:23:03]  Now, Delshau spelled this with all caps, all capital letters, like an acronym.
[01:23:09]  So, in a nutshell, without belaboring the point, I translated it as the Nationalistisch Jadflugsieg Maschinen Zahlungsamt, which essentially Translates into, if I can find, I did, you know what, it's in the other book, but essentially it's the Nationalist Exploratory Airship Deployment Office.

=== Spinning the Halmer Schacht Story (14:59) ===

[01:23:40]  Yeah, is what it came down to.
[01:23:42]  The Nationalist Exploration Airship Office.
[01:23:46]  It's like the first Air Force in a sense.
[01:23:51]  Yeah, but remember, we have to make the distinction between national.
[01:23:55]  And nationalist.
[01:23:57]  What was going on in Germany in the 1850s was there was no unified Germany.
[01:24:03]  They had been working on that for decades, and the Prussians were pushing for unification of the German states.
[01:24:12]  They were German nationalists.
[01:24:16]  So, this organization being nationalist had no affiliation with any official government.
[01:24:21]  I mean, there was no German specific government at the time.
[01:24:25]  Anyway, but these guys were nationalists.
[01:24:27]  They're a private group.
[01:24:29]  They're a private group of industrialists and, you know, a military.
[01:24:33]  What they were was an original military industrial organization.
[01:24:38]  Okay.
[01:24:38]  That's what they were.
[01:24:40]  And early military industrial complex, right there.
[01:24:42]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:24:43]  And of course, I'm sure we'll get into it, but I think after the Civil War, the United States stood up its first military industrial complex in the, what I call the, it's the first American black project, is my theory.
[01:25:00]  And they were developing.
[01:25:02]  This same technology.
[01:25:03]  And that was the source, in my opinion, of the 1890s airship industry in the United States.
[01:25:09]  But that's a separate thing.
[01:25:10]  And they grew to be rivals to Nimza.
[01:25:12]  That's down the line in our discussion.
[01:25:15]  But in the 1850s, that's what this Nimza was this group that sponsored these guys who would dabble in this and try to develop this technology.
[01:25:27]  Del Show does not tell us of the other groups, he just alludes to the fact that they exist.
[01:25:33]  Oh, interesting.
[01:25:34]  You know, this is fascinating too because who would have been in Nimza?
[01:25:41]  Well, in the book Origin, I identify a bunch of, at the time, German philosopher, scientists, and engineers.
[01:25:50]  Okay.
[01:25:51]  There's Friedrich Waniak.
[01:25:53]  There's, oh, the guy who has the same name as the falls that Sherlock Holmes and more, Reichenbach, Karl Reichenbach, Friedrich Waniak.
[01:26:07]  These guys were philosopher, scientists, industrialists.
[01:26:11]  Then eventually you get.
[01:26:12]  Into the era of Carl Kellner.
[01:26:15]  And then you get into Walter Rathenau, who's connected with AEG, the company that is directly connected to the Bell.
[01:26:25]  Oh, yeah.
[01:26:26]  See, that's so here you have the Bell being prototype in the 1850s, right?
[01:26:33]  Then you have in the 1890s, the you know, these guys are fooling around with GEM, Gravido Electromagnetics.
[01:26:41]  So that's out there in the world for these guys to play with.
[01:26:44]  And then bring it back to the Germans in the early.
[01:26:47]  20th century.
[01:26:48]  And you've got the guy, you know, who worked for, you know, he was, he and his father were AEG, you know, that's been connected to the bell.
[01:26:59]  And there they are in this milieu of philosopher scientists that I'm talking about.
[01:27:04]  It even leads to, as I say in the book, to Halmer Schacht.
[01:27:10]  Wow.
[01:27:10]  Okay.
[01:27:11]  Yeah.
[01:27:11]  Halmer Schacht, who Joseph Farrell was talked about abundantly.
[01:27:14]  And so here's, you know, my thread.
[01:27:17]  Between this, what these Germans were doing in the 1850s and the Nazi bell is more substantial than just here's an old photo of a thing that looks like the bell, as you can see.
[01:27:28]  I was able to thread it all the way through these very German guys who we know for a fact were involved with the rise of the Second Reich and then the rise of Nazi Germany.
[01:27:37]  So it's there.
[01:27:39]  No question.
[01:27:39]  Absolutely.
[01:27:40]  And what's fascinating about that, too, I want to remind everyone what the bell is, the program, because the bell.
[01:27:48]  The torsion physics that it suggests, the power that it suggests, and Farrell is good at quoting on this, which is it makes the atomic bomb look like a firecracker.
[01:28:00]  So, this is the type of technology that it takes on.
[01:28:03]  It's that powerful in that sense.
[01:28:05]  So, when they were talking about the Bell, it's kind of the ultimate black project when you go back and look at it through this Nazi history.
[01:28:13]  And the scientists that were associated with it, you know, the Nazis so badly didn't want them to fall into the hands of the Allies that they executed.
[01:28:20]  A series of them, and we have this very unusual trial transcript that comes out when Germany is reunified.
[01:28:29]  And so we come back into this information about what the bell was.
[01:28:32]  But when we're speaking about the bell here loosely, like we're talking about an incredibly advanced technology.
[01:28:39]  Oh, yes, yeah, it's you know, it's like you said, the concepts that it ultimately leads to.
[01:28:47]  You know, I would say that the guys in the 1850s, they Obviously, we weren't messing around with this device to that degree.
[01:28:56]  They were taking advantage of the spin, the rotation properties that, with whatever the fuel was, gave them the lift, the anti gravity that they needed.
[01:29:10]  And I think that's the extent to which they took it.
[01:29:12]  However, we have the story that, and this was witnessed, they were watching Peter Menace do a flight.
[01:29:19]  This is the story we're told, but it was witnessed, and there was an explosion.
[01:29:22]  Well, Had they carried the development of the bell far enough to learn about those destructive properties accidentally through that?
[01:29:34]  Oh, yeah.
[01:29:35]  Yeah, that's possible.
[01:29:38]  But, you know, as the years went on, as the decades passed, you know, between the 1850s and when Nazi Germany was fooling around with it, remember, by the time Nazi Germany starts fooling around with it, they have access to massive amounts of electrical power that they can plug into this thing.
[01:29:56]  The guys in the 1850s were not using any, you know, electricity in these devices.
[01:30:03]  It was all.
[01:30:06]  Chemically, and I guess mechanically is the way you'd put it because of the device spinning around.
[01:30:13]  I mean, the bell in the 1850s, according to Dale Shao, was made of hardened rawhide.
[01:30:20]  Okay, they took rawhide, kind of like you'd make paper mache.
[01:30:24]  They used rawhide and they hardened the bell shape of the device out of rawhide.
[01:30:31]  Okay, and then I think the center was, I can't remember what the center was, but it was from amazing.
[01:30:37]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:30:39]  And then they applied, however, they applied the fuel to it.
[01:30:41]  Now, in one of the drawings, you see that there was, here's the spinning drum.
[01:30:50]  That was another thing they used.
[01:30:52]  There was the bell shaped thing.
[01:30:53]  Then there was the spinning, rotating drum, which they would drip a steady drip of the fuel, the mysterious fuel on that spinning drum.
[01:31:00]  I mean, for the 50, it's incredible.
[01:31:03]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:31:05]  They were figuring this out, you know.
[01:31:07]  Now, let's take this.
[01:31:08]  I want to really kind of dive into Nimsa.
[01:31:11]  But I'm just going to take them way out of context for a moment and see if we can track back with this.
[01:31:17]  Because your work has the ability to do this, I've found over and over again.
[01:31:21]  Let's go and say this, suggest this idea about these mystery schools keeping this technology over time and then it coming out, you know, we finding out things about it.
[01:31:32]  So we take something like we're looking at Nimza, we're looking at the Sonora Aero Club, we've got Dell Shao's account of it.
[01:31:38]  That's on record.
[01:31:40]  Now let's go into just This phase of looking at it as if it was carried down legacy technology by the mystery schools.
[01:31:49]  If we go far enough back, of course, if you go into the Middle Ages, you see these incredible depictions of these things that came down and they're depicted as like suns dancing or this explosion that takes place or an air war.
[01:32:02]  And, you know, there are groups and guys like Von Daniken who really love to exploit that to the max, but they did happen.
[01:32:09]  And so there's the suggestion there always that it's some kind of an ET visit, but it could be these mystery schools.
[01:32:17]  Having this kind of ability for flight in that period, especially when we look at people like Da Vinci or something, you know, and we look at the strange airships that he's devising.
[01:32:29]  So obviously there's some kind of echo that's going on there.
[01:32:32]  But if we take it back and assume the idea that in more ancient times, these mystery schools are holding flight, that they have the ability for flight, and then it gets buried as a secret for a number of reasons.
[01:32:44]  You know, I'm reminded of this Edgar Cayce reading when they ask him, Can you describe these?
[01:32:49]  Airships that the Atlanteans were flying around in.
[01:32:51]  And he says, well, there are such as Ezekiel described at a much later date.
[01:32:55]  So it was a very unusual thing for him to say.
[01:32:58]  And it puts me in mind of the idea that someone held on to the Atlantean technology because Ezekiel's there far after.
[01:33:06]  So, how, you know, in the stuff that you've looked at, does that seem like a possibility?
[01:33:12]  Absolutely.
[01:33:13]  Look, my view is the farther you go back, I am of that school of thought.
[01:33:18]  That I've personally been convinced of this for a long time that if not all of us, there's a bunch of us whose origin is not on this planet.
[01:33:33]  Okay.
[01:33:33]  I think you go way, way back.
[01:33:35]  And of course, because of course I believe in extraterrestrial existence.
[01:33:41]  I think that the universe is just full of countless planets with intelligent life on them and they have these civilizations.
[01:33:48]  Now, my little unique thing is I think it's unique, but this idea that human beings like us could only have originated here and you won't find human beings like us on other worlds, I'm sorry, I'm laughing my ass off at that because until our smartest scientist, okay, visits.
[01:34:08]  Every habitable planet in the universe and finds not one single one where human beings like us developed until he or she does that.
[01:34:16]  That cannot be said.
[01:34:17]  Okay.
[01:34:18]  For all we know, there's millions of planets with human beings exactly like us.
[01:34:23]  Okay.
[01:34:23]  There could be millions of Earths.
[01:34:24]  So my point is a bunch of us, if not all of us, came here from elsewhere to begin with.
[01:34:29]  Now, that's where the mystery schools come in because the mystery schools talk about things kind of like that and they talk about the advanced civilization.
[01:34:41]  Civilizations, in some cases, that were on this planet, human civilizations long ago that had developed this advanced or possessed this advanced technology, which sounds a lot like how, you know, dynastic Egypt just kind of suddenly was there.
[01:34:56]  There's no history of its development.
[01:34:58]  Well, these ancient civilizations, like what we call Atlantis or Lemuria or the Rama Empire, they possessed this technology.
[01:35:06]  Well, was this technology a holdover from the worlds that they originated on?
[01:35:10]  So, as those civilizations decline, Of course, they're not just going to throw out all the technology and forget about it and let's start with sticks and stones and grass skirts again.
[01:35:22]  I mean, baloney.
[01:35:24]  Somebody's going to be holding on to this stuff.
[01:35:26]  We know, we suspect that from the Library of Alexandria, certain things were saved.
[01:35:33]  We know for a fact that a lot of the stuff from the Library of Alexandria that we're talking about ended up in known libraries, ended up in Constantinople, ended up in, oh gosh, it's a Middle Eastern ancient city.
[01:35:48]  You know, there were two or three of these libraries that after the Library of Alexandria fell, a lot of their stuff just went to these libraries.
[01:35:56]  So that's where I think the Paris map and all that comes in because, you know, obviously somebody's holding it.
[01:36:02]  Yeah.
[01:36:03]  Yeah.
[01:36:03]  Somebody.
[01:36:04]  So, of course, this stuff was preserved.
[01:36:08]  This stuff was maintained and protected and continued to be developed.
[01:36:13]  Now, here's what's interesting I think there is a human source for these things you mentioned, the paintings that show the UFOs in the skies.
[01:36:22]  And stuff.
[01:36:22]  I'm not discounting visits from other worlds.
[01:36:24]  I'm not saying that doesn't happen.
[01:36:26]  What I'm saying is for that to be the go to thing every time is a little bit immature intellectually and short sighted and just an emotional gratification go to because it's fun.
[01:36:39]  Now, we have to look at Jules Verne in the 19th century.
[01:36:44]  Okay.
[01:36:44]  He was writing stories about, I believe, is it Roe Burr or was that what they called him in the movie?
[01:36:51]  Vincent Price.
[01:36:52]  Played in the film version of this, where it was a guy who just happened to have all this technology.
[01:37:00]  Okay.
[01:37:01]  And he built this flying ship.
[01:37:03]  Now, Verne also writes about Captain Nemo, who's very much a human being and gets his hands on this technology.
[01:37:09]  He's this brilliant guy and he builds the Nautilus.
[01:37:12]  All right.
[01:37:13]  So, Jules Verne was suspected of being fed information by a secret society.
[01:37:19]  Definitely.
[01:37:19]  Okay.
[01:37:19]  Definitely.
[01:37:20]  And so here he is.
[01:37:23]  Not writing about extraterrestrials coming down and displaying all this stuff.
[01:37:28]  He keeps writing about very human, earthbound beings who are doing these amazing things secretly.
[01:37:35]  So that's kind of a foot stomping hint there.
[01:37:39]  Excellent point.
[01:37:41]  And it reminds me of Bulwer Lytton and the coming race.
[01:37:44]  He's got a group, his advanced group is underground humans, basically.
[01:37:49]  And it's the same.
[01:37:50]  Which is what my dad talks about.
[01:37:52]  I'm sorry, he's dead.
[01:37:53]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:37:53]  He used to talk about.
[01:37:56]  Yes, yes, right.
[01:37:58]  Absolutely.
[01:37:58]  I catch hell for making jokes about my dad.
[01:38:03]  He's laughing.
[01:38:04]  Yeah, absolutely.
[01:38:05]  No, the thing is, also, you have a great story about your dad and the underground technology.
[01:38:11]  I do want to ask you about that.
[01:38:13]  I want to know about that right now.
[01:38:16]  Actually, yeah, maybe Olivia's got a point.
[01:38:18]  Do you want to just mention what your dad had to say about being underground around this technology?
[01:38:23]  Oh, yeah.
[01:38:23]  And any details I miss, I did write a book about this titled Shimmering Light.
[01:38:29]  And that one's interesting because it's not connected to a series, is it?
[01:38:33]  So, like, No, it's a standalone, but the data in it actually connects to origin.

=== Roswell, MKUltra, and Mexico (15:07) ===

[01:38:40]  And yeah, from the earliest I remember hearing it was 1973, 1974, definitely, when essentially my dad started talking about having been involved in a project when he was in the Air Force in the late 50s.
[01:39:04]  And it was the first time I ever heard of a craft of another civilization crashing in the New Mexico desert.
[01:39:14]  Now, this was what?
[01:39:17]  Six or seven years before Berlitz and Moore's book, The Roswell Incident, came out.
[01:39:23]  It was 1908.
[01:39:24]  Roswell happens in 47, but it doesn't get reported until 1977 and 78.
[01:39:30]  So it's a 30 year gap in the reporting of that story.
[01:39:33]  Except that I'm hearing about it in 1973 74.
[01:39:38]  He has knowledge of the event.
[01:39:40]  Yeah, he said basically the project he was involved in, they got briefed on this thing that had crashed in the 40s because it was pertinent to what they were doing.
[01:39:51]  And the story stayed consistent for 40 years, you know, for the rest of his life as he told it.
[01:39:59]  But basically, it was he was my dad worked in the aerospace medicine division of the US Air Force.
[01:40:06]  Okay.
[01:40:07]  And if you know your Operation Paperclip history, And your MKUltra history, you know the significance of working in the Aerospace Medicine Division of the United States Air Force in the 1950s.
[01:40:20]  Now, his unit at George Air Force Base out here in Hesperia, California, it used to be out here, they did the ground testing for pressure suits, high altitude pressure suits, and the U.S. Air Force Mercury space program.
[01:40:39]  People don't realize that Mercury, the space program from the Right Stuff movie and all that, That first put men in space, John Glenn and Alan Shepard, and all them.
[01:40:49]  That was a U.S. Air Force program because NASA didn't exist when the Air Force was told to put men in space.
[01:40:56]  And, you know, the program was Mercury.
[01:40:58]  My dad was involved in that.
[01:41:00]  So he had to have a really high clearance dealing with space program stuff.
[01:41:04]  Okay.
[01:41:05]  So he was back at Gunner Air Force Base in Montgomery, Alabama, in the summer of 1958 for some advanced training.
[01:41:16]  When he and a couple other guys were told, hey, we need you to work on this project.
[01:41:21]  We need you to fly over to, I think it was Randolph Air Force Base in Texas.
[01:41:25]  So they get on the airplane, they take off from Maxwell, and somewhere over Mississippi, the plane banks north.
[01:41:38]  And out from the forward cabin comes this intelligence officer, okay, who informs them that they are not going to Randolph Air Force Base in Texas, that they're going to Wright Patterson in Ohio.
[01:41:51]  And they will be briefed when they get there.
[01:41:54]  Long story short, they get there and they were briefed on Roswell.
[01:41:59]  Excuse me a minute.
[01:42:00]  Yes, sir.
[01:42:02]  My furry child with four legs.
[01:42:05]  So they get there and they're briefed on this crash that happened in New Mexico.
[01:42:10]  And they're shown pictures of the craft, they're shown the bodies.
[01:42:15]  Okay.
[01:42:16]  And he says they were, you know, in his story, he says they were identical to us, but they had virtually no body hair.
[01:42:29]  And he swore for years, he goes, they were not these little gray aliens.
[01:42:33]  I mean, he would be vehement about that.
[01:42:35]  He goes, these were not little gray aliens.
[01:42:38]  They were human beings, you know, with just that one difference.
[01:42:42]  Well, they were told after being briefed in on what came to be known, you know, as the Roswell incident.
[01:42:49]  They were told, okay, this has happened again.
[01:42:52]  A craft has gone down out in Arizona.
[01:42:57]  And we believe that the pilot, that there's a pilot alive.
[01:43:03]  And according to his story, the source of this craft, okay, these other people had requested assistance to find their pilot and hopefully get him back alive, okay?
[01:43:19]  And according to my dad's story, this was a parallel civilization that exists here on this planet with us.
[01:43:29]  And they kind of have their own technology, they kind of do their own thing.
[01:43:33]  It's not perfect.
[01:43:35]  Excuse me, it's not perfect.
[01:43:36]  Ours isn't perfect either.
[01:43:38]  And they had this crash and on and so forth.
[01:43:40]  And of course, the story goes on.
[01:43:42]  But in my book, I determined that it's very possible that the particular details of my dad's story about this civilization and this underground group and everything could have been a planted narrative via MKUltra.
[01:44:00]  And I go into that and why I think that in the book.
[01:44:04]  Do you think, for the purposes of getting him to forget the actual alien aspect that he looked at?
[01:44:11]  No, I think it was more because what we were talking about was.
[01:44:15]  Here's what I think.
[01:44:16]  Glad you asked that because now I can tell you what I think.
[01:44:19]  Particularly after I, by the time I finished the research on this book, and this is what I put forth in the book, I do not think Roswell was any kind of extraterrestrial event.
[01:44:30]  What I think Roswell was 1947, out there in the middle of that New Mexico desert, you had these secret installations.
[01:44:39]  Okay.
[01:44:40]  You had the German rocket scientists.
[01:44:42]  You had the American aerospace medicine guys in the new Air Force, the Army Air Corps, soon to be new Air Force, who really wanted to put man in space.
[01:44:54]  You had these Germans who'd been working on really wanting to put man in space, dating back to the 1920s and the 1910s.
[01:45:02]  Some of these guys knew each other before the war, the Americans and the Germans.
[01:45:05]  So here they are, the guys who can build the craft to get us up there, the guys who can come up with the life support systems to keep them alive to get them up there and back.
[01:45:15]  They've got tons of money.
[01:45:18]  They're working secretly with no prying eyes.
[01:45:21]  My question to people is, what do you think they were going to do?
[01:45:25]  You're damn right.
[01:45:26]  They built a craft, it was a human crew.
[01:45:29]  And what it was was America's first attempt at manned space flight.
[01:45:34]  They shot him up there, they got him into space, they brought him back, and on return, tragically, it crashed.
[01:45:41]  But, but, because they realized they could do it, that was Roswell was the origin of our secret space program.
[01:45:50]  Because they could get him up there and bring them back.
[01:45:53]  And they knew they could do it again.
[01:45:54]  They realized, oh my God, we have a space program, a manned space program now.
[01:45:59]  We can go forth with this.
[01:46:01]  And I say that explains the tight secrecy.
[01:46:05]  Tell them it's balloons.
[01:46:06]  Let them think it's Jack Parsons opening a portal.
[01:46:10]  You know, let them think it's ETs and little grays.
[01:46:13]  Anything but the fact that what we've got is the beginning of our true secret space program because it was the Cold War.
[01:46:20]  We weren't sure how far the Russians were taking this.
[01:46:23]  I'm getting a lot of booze and hisses and hate you, Bosley.
[01:46:27]  He's got his own TV show.
[01:46:29]  What's that?
[01:46:30]  Jack Parsons got his own TV show.
[01:46:32]  Yeah, I know.
[01:46:32]  I got to watch that.
[01:46:33]  I got to wait till it's streaming for free.
[01:46:35]  But my point is, I know I'm going to get a lot of hate for that.
[01:46:39]  But when you look at the historical context, when you actually do an honest look at what the US Army Air Corps had been doing and was doing at that time, what the German aerospace medicine guys were doing and had been doing at that time, when you look at the stuff that was being done in aerospace, and would you really give an honest look?
[01:46:58]  Folks, I really am convinced that you know this is what Roswell was all about.
[01:47:05]  It was a fascinating idea, and here's an interesting thing though, just to go deep into that with you.
[01:47:10]  Yeah, um, Marcel, when he goes to recover the Roswell craft, finds hieroglyphic beams everywhere and he looks at it and he says, So it looks like hieroglyphs, basically.
[01:47:23]  Uh, what's that all about then?
[01:47:25]  I mean, if this is a Nazi craft that these German scientists are concocting in the desert, what do you think they're doing with the hieroglyphs?
[01:47:32]  If that's what he really saw, we don't know if it was some type of technological symbology that, you know, no insult to Marcel.
[01:47:42]  He just might not have been.
[01:47:46]  That just wasn't his bailiwick.
[01:47:48]  Yeah, right.
[01:47:50]  Remember, we have to go on, well, this is what I saw.
[01:47:53]  This is what I think this did.
[01:47:54]  Now, here's the thing on the other stuff that he claimed about the memory foil, the memory metal, and all that, I recommend people, whether they like it or not, Find Joseph Farrell's Roswell and the Reich book.
[01:48:09]  Okay.
[01:48:11]  Bite your tongues and read the darn thing.
[01:48:14]  Okay.
[01:48:14]  It'll give you a new perspective on the technologies that had been actually developed by very human beings, German human beings, who most of which were now in our country working for us and were the guys who were there.
[01:48:29]  So, well, we know that group launched.
[01:48:32]  This is something that Farrell points out, which is that they launched a V2 into Mexico.
[01:48:38]  So that's kind of going rogue.
[01:48:40]  So, what does this have to do with my dad?
[01:48:43]  Well, by the late 1950s, look, it's a historical fact that Mercury was a U.S. Air Force manned space program.
[01:48:51]  Okay, so the connection here is if Roswell was the first time we did that, you had by 1958 11 years of trying to do this successfully, advancing what they learned from Roswell.
[01:49:08]  So that by 1958, when my dad was in the Air Force, who knows to what extent, um, our well, we do know to what extent our space, our secret space program had developed because at that time it would have been parallel with kind of what NASA was doing, okay?
[01:49:25]  So It being the Cold War, anybody who worked on this secret, the real secret space program, not this BS that Corey Good and David Wilcock and Emery Smith and Rice and all those guys.
[01:49:38]  It goes without saying.
[01:49:39]  The real secret space program, anybody who worked on that, it was the height of the Cold War.
[01:49:44]  Okay.
[01:49:44]  This would have been of the tightest secrecy.
[01:49:47]  So that's how MKUltra comes into the mix.
[01:49:50]  My dad worked on a project, you know, involving the real secret space program.
[01:49:56]  And when it came time for him to leave the project, MKUltra was a new toy, okay?
[01:50:02]  And they used those techniques to suppress the memory of the actual program they worked on so that they could keep operational security.
[01:50:10]  And what they put on this layer of suppression was this story about an underground civilization and such.
[01:50:18]  Now, why do I think the Air Force did this?
[01:50:21]  Because, again, in your MKUltra history, you find that through the mid 50s, early mid 50s, the U.S. military was.
[01:50:32]  Invited to take a look at MKUltra.
[01:50:34]  Okay.
[01:50:35]  And of all the branches, the branch that got most turned on by MKUltra and its uses was the United States Air Force.
[01:50:43]  And they started, this is in the MKUltra history books, folks, they started their own branch of this stuff.
[01:50:50]  And when the CIA by 1973 had to report to Congress what they were doing with MKUltra and admit they had it, the military never did.
[01:50:57]  The Air Force to this day has never had to appear before Congress to describe.
[01:51:02]  What they've been doing with MKUltra since the mid 50s.
[01:51:05]  Now, by 1958, Air Force was doing their own MKUltra stuff.
[01:51:09]  And there you go.
[01:51:10]  That's why I think this was applied to my father.
[01:51:12]  And there's a lot of other little reasons and evidences for this that I go into with the book.
[01:51:18]  Excellent point.
[01:51:19]  That's a really excellent point.
[01:51:20]  And Shimmering Light, for that story alone, I think is fascinating.
[01:51:25]  Here's a question, though.
[01:51:26]  You brought up something in the middle of all that, which is the story that he got was that this was some lost civilization that had this advanced technology and they kind of operating side by side with us.
[01:51:36]  There have been people like Mac Tonnies who had his version of this kind of idea, but I think of a really weird story because even if you go back to that kind of Van Tassel era, there's a guy named Daniel Fry who was a legitimate space engineer guy.
[01:51:54]  And if you go back into his history, there's no reason for him just to make up this wild story and stand up there talking about it.
[01:52:00]  But when he gets picked up basically in the desert, there's a craft there, and when they They take him on board.
[01:52:08]  They say, We're from Lemuria, we're from this lost civilization, and we have this advanced technology.
[01:52:13]  We live in Mount Shasta, and all the rest.
[01:52:16]  And uh, they say, You know, we can demonstrate to you that we can get from here, you know, New Mexico to New York in five minutes or something like that.
[01:52:23]  And they take him on this super fast cruise and they take him back.
[01:52:27]  He goes on to take pictures of these ships and videotape of this.
[01:52:31]  It's interesting to me that he has that story, and your dad had that story.
[01:52:35]  And yeah, you know, the whole thing and the whole lore around Shasta, too.
[01:52:39]  What's your take on that?
[01:52:40]  You've spent a lot of time in that milieu.
[01:52:43]  Here's what's interesting.
[01:52:45]  Here's the irony in all this.
[01:52:47]  Yeah, I'm familiar with the fry thing.
[01:52:49]  I'm very much familiar with what my dad told me.
[01:52:53]  And in my research, and not just my research, the research of others like Jacques Valet and a couple others, in my research and in my personal experiences, as I say at the end of Shimmering Light, with what my dad's describing and what we're talking about, points to this mysterious group called the Tuadadidanen, as you've talked about before.
[01:53:17]  Oh, yes.
[01:53:17]  And by the end of Shimmering Light, what I mean by irony is, as I say, I cannot deny their existence.
[01:53:30]  There's too much, there's enough evidence of them.
[01:53:36]  And I'm saying this through my personal research and experience.
[01:53:42]  I don't deny the existence of the two edited edition, no way.
[01:53:45]  They're there, they're out there.

=== Irish Threads and Megalithic Culture (06:36) ===

[01:53:48]  And I had started a couple of years ago.
[01:53:53]  I discovered that I've written nine nonfiction books published so far.
[01:54:00]  The one that's getting ready to come out will be my 10th.
[01:54:03]  In those first nine books, which one is about the mystical engineering of Disneyland, three of them are Empire of the Wheel, it has to do with occult murder and strange stuff like that.
[01:54:15]  Then there's Origin about the airship mystery stuff, and then there's Shimmering Light about my dad.
[01:54:23]  And then there's the Secret Mission series, which is about archaeology.
[01:54:26]  These kind of threads have threads running through them, connecting them, but they're kind of diverse.
[01:54:32]  But across 33 chapters, interesting number, across 33 chapters of those nine books, I talk about the Tuatididinan.
[01:54:43]  And when I realized this a couple of years ago, I thought, what the hell?
[01:54:47]  They're in everything I do.
[01:54:50]  And then, you know, as I researched it more, Um, you know, there's tuat adida nan uh evidence and markers here in the San Bernardino Valley, and in personal experiences that I've had, the tuat adida nan their signature is there.
[01:55:07]  So, what's interesting is even though I present the idea that um this was a planted narrative in my dad's psyche to cover um this deeply classified program that he'd worked on, project that he'd worked on, I think they used I think it's possible that they use something that's very real as the lair, oddly enough.
[01:55:34]  In other words, the incident that he talks about might have been the planet narrative, but the lore or the source from which it comes could be these mysterious two at Adida Nan, who could be these people of Lemuria, for all we know.
[01:55:51]  He's giving them, so they gave him a kind of a screen memory of an actual thing researching.
[01:55:56]  But something that's so fantastical, who's going to believe it?
[01:55:59]  Right.
[01:56:00]  This is the interesting thing about the Tua de Danon, which is if you look at them, they have actual histories in Ireland associated with them, including succession down the line.
[01:56:14]  So you have to assume and throw out, if you're to say that they didn't exist and that there's part of the mythical Ireland, then you have to throw out the idea of the record keeping that's going on back there in Ireland.
[01:56:28]  I have an answer to that, I think.
[01:56:31]  What you've got are the original Tuata, okay, who are this other civilization, these other people with this amazing technology that they had.
[01:56:41]  They're the ones who came out of the sky and the thunderous clouds, and they come to Earth or our dimension, whatever you want to call it.
[01:56:49]  They come here to our world, okay?
[01:56:52]  And they begin, as the stories say, they conquer the human tribe that resists them, and then they kind of befriend them.
[01:57:02]  And they say, okay, you resisted us, we whooped your butts.
[01:57:05]  Now we want to help you develop your technology.
[01:57:08]  And now you're going to become kind of an agent.
[01:57:11]  Culture of ours.
[01:57:13]  You're going to, you know, we're going to absorb you.
[01:57:16]  Now, when somebody points out the just the anthropological view of the Tuatadida Nan, I think they're limiting themselves.
[01:57:25]  What they're talking about is the post arrival era and thread of the human cultures that became influenced by the Tuatadida Nan.
[01:57:38]  Okay.
[01:57:39]  Yes.
[01:57:40]  And where they intermixed with them and stuff.
[01:57:41]  But so there's the original Tuatadida.
[01:57:44]  Okay.
[01:57:45]  And then there's the human local native culture that they influenced.
[01:57:51]  Now, the more anthropological minded loves to grasp onto that and say, that's all there is to it.
[01:57:56]  This fantasy stuff about coming out of the sky, that's all quaint.
[01:57:59]  It's a religion.
[01:58:00]  But, you know, we know how anthropologically minded people like to limit themselves all the time when it comes to these concepts that are, you know, frightening for some people's psyches to grasp.
[01:58:09]  So that's what I think.
[01:58:10]  I think the Tuata were this are.
[01:58:14]  This amazing civilization of another world, um, that they came here and they've been among us and they're still among us.
[01:58:24]  Fascinating, and listen, there's a lot of interesting threads.
[01:58:28]  Um, one of the things we try to cover with them is that in the Casey literature, you have the two-eyed stone, which has that spelling that's that T-U-A spelling that falls around and that brings us all the way around.
[01:58:42]  And then we made these connections to the tribe of Dan, uh, you know, right.
[01:58:46]  And so, this is interesting the way that they moved around, too.
[01:58:49]  It's like Ireland, you know, Greece, Jerusalem.
[01:58:52]  I mean, it's kind of fascinating.
[01:58:54]  One author, researcher out there has pointed out that when you look at the Irish mythologies and stuff, at about the time that they disappeared from Ireland, suddenly you had your Quetzalcoatl, Viracocha type stories starting to happen in the Americas.
[01:59:12]  And then, about the time that Viracocha and Quetzalcoatl and those kind of stories disappeared, You had the Tuatadidanan arriving in Ireland again.
[01:59:21]  So, yeah, they're moving around the world.
[01:59:24]  I think that they are the source of the megalithic culture.
[01:59:28]  These mysterious megalith builders in Peru, on Malta, you name it.
[01:59:36]  When you see that, I think that's the Tuatadidanan culture going around the world.
[01:59:41]  Is this the advanced Atlantean group that survived and they're so out of place because everyone else doesn't have the technology that they do?
[01:59:49]  And they, when they show up, forget it, they still have the Atlantean stuff intact.
[01:59:53]  I think, I think what you're talking about is um, the source of that technology, yeah, I think is of um, of this original civilization, wherever its home is, off this planet or elsewhere.
[02:00:10]  Yeah, I think that's that's the source of it, and that is fascinating.
[02:00:14]  You know, um, it is interesting that 33 chapters show up across your work on them.
[02:00:19]  I mean, yeah, they they show up in 33 chapters across nine books.

=== Scalar Symbols and Phi (13:35) ===

[02:00:24]  So, you know, a couple years ago, I'm like, I've got to write about this.
[02:00:27]  And the more I looked into it, I realized, oh, this is much bigger than I thought it would be.
[02:00:33]  And so I started working on some other things.
[02:00:37]  In fact, I ended up starting the book that I'm going to be coming out with now.
[02:00:43]  I started researching that one year ago this month, by the way.
[02:00:48]  Yeah, it's a very, just a very interesting thread.
[02:00:55]  And I want to say, too, if you recall, if you study Jacques Valet, about the time that he changed his view on his UFO research and stuff was when he got into this Tua de Dinan.
[02:01:08]  He found evidence of the Tua de Dinan.
[02:01:10]  He talks about them.
[02:01:11]  And that's when the first time he kind of got uninterested in UFOs because he felt like, oh, wait a minute, the answer is in this direction.
[02:01:22]  And, you know, it's interesting because as I, you know, kept seeing them pop up and, you know, after the experiences and research and stuff, and I got to that point where it's too at a deed and end, it's not that UFOs are less interesting, but.
[02:01:46]  I don't feel like there's big a mystery for me.
[02:01:48]  It's interesting what they do to a researcher's mind.
[02:01:51]  I've had that exact experience going into it.
[02:01:54]  And I think there's a reason they show up throughout your work as this recurring stream.
[02:01:59]  Now, one thing that's absolutely fascinating, and we're going to have to do more on that.
[02:02:04]  One thing I want to make sure that we get into before we do questions with Miss Olivia.
[02:02:07]  And how are we doing, Miss Olivia?
[02:02:09]  We have a ton of questions.
[02:02:11]  Excuse me, may I ask what time it is?
[02:02:14]  I have a watch on, and I can't.
[02:02:16]  See any clocks.
[02:02:17]  It's quarter past nine here.
[02:02:18]  So you're going to be quarter past six over there because we're in Boston.
[02:02:23]  Oh, it's only 6 15.
[02:02:25]  No, no, no.
[02:02:26]  I'm sorry.
[02:02:28]  You're looking at quarter of seven.
[02:02:31]  Quarter of seven?
[02:02:32]  Yes.
[02:02:33]  Okay.
[02:02:34]  I mean, I can take these off and run over and look at the clock.
[02:02:37]  I just need to.
[02:02:39]  I have an errand to run at.
[02:02:41]  Got to go pick up my kid from work at like nine o'clock.
[02:02:45]  So I just need to stay on top of the time.
[02:02:47]  No, no, we'll keep you right on.
[02:02:49]  And it's interesting for me, too, because I got the time off the computer, and here I have my watch right here.
[02:02:54]  I didn't even look at it.
[02:02:55]  So that's what tells you what's going on here.
[02:02:58]  Oh, wait.
[02:02:59]  Okay.
[02:02:59]  I was able to bring my screen up.
[02:03:01]  So, yes, it's 10 till 7.
[02:03:03]  We're good.
[02:03:03]  There you go.
[02:03:04]  You're all this technology.
[02:03:05]  Now, here's one thing we have to get in considering Nimza, which is the strange code in the Delshao paintings that means Nimza that holds the X in the very heart of the symbol.
[02:03:17]  Yeah.
[02:03:18]  I have a couple of examples of it, and there's one right in your book, of course, and yeah, right here.
[02:03:25]  There it is.
[02:03:26]  You can see the X is the fourth character.
[02:03:32]  Yeah, the fourth character.
[02:03:35]  Now, what we're looking at here is this is what Del Xiao, this was the code for NIMSA, the acronym NIMSA that he would use in his drawings, and he explained this.
[02:03:50]  He explained that this was that he would have to use these codes.
[02:03:56]  Didn't explain why, but he, you know, used the code.
[02:04:00]  And this essentially corresponds to NIMSA and YMZA, we are told.
[02:04:05]  It's clear steganography that he's using, even though he doesn't explain what it's for.
[02:04:09]  Of course, you're not exactly.
[02:04:10]  And, you know, the fact, and this is why I contacted you about this was because, you know, it just dawned on me you're doing the X series, and I happen to be looking at this book.
[02:04:21]  For something else, and I realized, oh my God, that's right.
[02:04:25]  There's the X.
[02:04:26]  And what are we talking about?
[02:04:27]  We're talking about a thread of secret technology, right?
[02:04:30]  Yeah.
[02:04:30]  Yeah.
[02:04:31]  Right in the middle.
[02:04:32]  Yeah.
[02:04:32]  With the X steganography.
[02:04:33]  And just to give, you know, in some of his drawings, it's there, it's right embedded here.
[02:04:39]  There's the same symbol right across.
[02:04:43]  And he uses it throughout when he's going into their stuff here.
[02:04:51]  That again, we have that symbol here.
[02:04:55]  There's the X with it.
[02:04:56]  So these are the drawings, and he's showing this code in the heart of it.
[02:05:01]  And then he suggests that it's Nimsa, but you mentioned something about a math formula that showed it was Nimsa.
[02:05:07]  What was that?
[02:05:08]  A few years back, it was one of those when Joseph Farrell used to live nearby where I live.
[02:05:17]  We would have wonderful opportunities.
[02:05:19]  That's a fun neighborhood.
[02:05:21]  Yeah, late night conversations.
[02:05:25]  And we were talking about the gel shell thing, and he took a look at this and he thought, oh my God, that's an equation, a mathematical.
[02:05:38]  I know there's an equal sign in there.
[02:05:40]  Duh, yeah, it looks like one.
[02:05:42]  But he seemed to think that no, It's much more specific than obviously there's an equal sign and this and that equals that and the other.
[02:05:51]  So, long story short about this, he worked out what he thought the equation translated could mean.
[02:06:03]  And I published that in the book.
[02:06:05]  Now, what you do is you want me to go into it or did you just.
[02:06:08]  Yes, please.
[02:06:08]  Yeah, absolutely.
[02:06:10]  Okay, so the first symbol, if you hold that up to the screen for them to be able to see the first symbol, okay, it looks like a D with this flangey coming out of it, which kind of makes the whole thing look like a shovel, okay?
[02:06:24]  So we call it the shovel D or the D shovel.
[02:06:29]  And this is what Joseph Farrell came up with back in 2015, okay?
[02:06:36]  Okay.
[02:06:37]  We're going to break this down now.
[02:06:39]  We're going to get mathematical here, kind of.
[02:06:42]  I want the formula.
[02:06:43]  And bear with me, I am no mathematician.
[02:06:46]  So, folks, okay, the first symbol, the D shovel, the D shovel could be one of four things.
[02:06:54]  And I am going to read this if I get it right.
[02:06:57]  It could be a reference to a capital delta in the Greek language, which symbolizes the change in something, right?
[02:07:05]  Or transformation, such as the delta small t, parenthetically, change in time, okay, et cetera.
[02:07:16]  Or that's one.
[02:07:17]  Or it could symbolize a small d, okay, the lowercase d, meaning the differential or increment of something, okay?
[02:07:29]  So we've got either a change in something, okay, a change in time or a change in physical property or whatever, you know, some transformation, or we have an increment of something, okay?
[02:07:43]  And now here comes the third option that we're still just on the shovel d, the first symbol.
[02:07:47]  It could be a stylized Greek phi.
[02:07:50]  Laid sideways and phi represents scalar potential.
[02:07:56]  So that brings it into scalar technology, possibly.
[02:08:00]  Okay.
[02:08:00]  So, you know, and then the fourth, okay, it could be a stylized capital psi laid sideways, which symbolizes radiant flux or radiant power.
[02:08:15]  So we're talking scalar technology or we're talking some type of radiation, radiant power.
[02:08:21]  Okay.
[02:08:22]  Or a measurement, an increment of something, or even a transformation of something like time or physical material.
[02:08:28]  So that's just what the first D could mean.
[02:08:31]  Incredible.
[02:08:32]  Okay.
[02:08:32]  And we are going to get to a simplified thing.
[02:08:35]  We're just going through this now.
[02:08:38]  Now, the capital letter M, that's next, the M in this coded NIMSA symbol.
[02:08:46]  Capital letters oftentimes represent a difference, not a differential, a difference in something.
[02:08:53]  In this case, mass one, or M subscript one, minus M subscript two.
[02:09:03]  Thus, capital M equals M. M subscript one minus M subscript two, as in the famous E equals MC squared.
[02:09:15]  Okay, so the M here could bring in the E equals MC squared business.
[02:09:21]  Okay, now in his opinion, the equal sign, the third symbol, means equals.
[02:09:27]  Yes, okay, so whatever the shovel D and the M actually stand for, they equal what the last two symbols mean.
[02:09:35]  Now, here we get to the X, and here's where I think it comes into your X thing.
[02:09:41]  X could be one possibility, a variable X standing for what we don't know.
[02:09:51]  Okay.
[02:09:52]  Or B, or two, X could be a Greek letter X, which often symbolizes electrical susceptibility.
[02:10:02]  Okay.
[02:10:02]  Which then implies electromagnetics or something like that.
[02:10:06]  Okay.
[02:10:06]  Or applied electrics.
[02:10:07]  The third possibility for the X could be.
[02:10:12]  A component of a coordinate system, which interestingly enough, it is the X coordinate in the Lorentz transforms that transforms.
[02:10:23]  So the X could, it's either it stands for something we don't know, okay, and electrical susceptibility is connected to it, whatever that means, okay.
[02:10:36]  But then also we get back into the transformation aspect.
[02:10:41]  I apologize for the dogs if you guys can hear that.
[02:10:44]  No, no, I think.
[02:10:45]  I think somebody keeps knocking on my door.
[02:10:47]  It's no, it's good.
[02:10:48]  It's focused for distraction.
[02:10:50]  We can do it.
[02:10:51]  Okay, the final character, okay, um, which looks like the Greek phi, okay, uh, or the backwards empty hyperset.
[02:11:02]  This is Joseph now.
[02:11:03]  This stuff I'm reading could be again the symbol phi, which represents the scalar potential, which paced the type of thinking going on from Maxwell to Whittaker of 1903.
[02:11:15]  Is the sum of infolded vectors summing to zero.
[02:11:19]  i.e., there's no translation vector.
[02:11:23]  Thus, one reading the equation, here we go, the change in the mass difference is equal to the transform of x times scalar potential.
[02:11:33]  Unbelievable.
[02:11:35]  Okay, so x, if x, the use of x in the things you've been talking about 45 episodes, if x, Applied to this particular technology, these technologies of these crafts or whatever, okay?
[02:11:56]  It could be that a hundred and some years ago, where they got the X is.
[02:12:07]  I had it on the tip of my tongue.
[02:12:09]  What they figured out about this equation, for example, specifically the X element of it, okay?
[02:12:20]  All this X technology that you have been reporting on.
[02:12:23]  Yes.
[02:12:24]  Yes.
[02:12:25]  So, the X element of the equation could explain the X in all the X programs you've been talking about, if that makes sense.
[02:12:35]  And that's why I contacted you on this because I thought, due to the context of what this book is about and what you've been doing through these 45 episodes, my gosh, you know, there's got to be some connection here.
[02:12:48]  No, it's right in the heart of it.
[02:12:50]  And the advanced technology suggested by, Del Shao's work and then the code symboling using steganography embedded in the artwork, you know, because he does some things that are obvious.
[02:13:05]  For example, this says Houston in here.
[02:13:10]  But the coding over and over again when he's using that Nimza symbol, to me, suggests he's using steganography and the people who look at it immediately they know what it is.
[02:13:20]  Those are the kind of initiates behind Nimza.
[02:13:24]  Isn't it interesting, too, that Del Shao was Houston based?
[02:13:29]  And what he's talking about that could lead to the secret space travel or whatever, and NASA puts mission control in Houston or the Johnson Space Center.
[02:13:41]  I find that interesting.
[02:13:43]  That's no coincidence.
[02:13:45]  That's the thing, I think what Del Shah was talking about, I think this equation we just went through, I think this has something to do with what they've been doing with all this stuff, clearly with a secret space program.

=== Faith in ET Hypotheses (04:45) ===

[02:14:00]  By the time we get to the 1950s, 100 years after the Sonora Aero Club with the German factor and all that.
[02:14:06]  When you look at all this, this is the thread.
[02:14:10]  This is the thread.
[02:14:11]  This 19th century stuff is the true background of what we're talking about here from post World War II forward, not reverse engineering and ET saucer.
[02:14:24]  I know there's people out there that insist this happened, but when you give an honest look at that, These stories either fall apart, the witnesses end up being, you know, lacking credibility, or even if the witness himself or herself doesn't lack credibility as far as personal character, you can look at it and say, ah, there's, it's number one, it's an opinion.
[02:14:47]  You know, a lot of times we hear, oh, this Apollo astronaut, he confirmed that there was this or that.
[02:14:52]  And then when you go look at the statements that the Apollo astronauts made, it's opinion.
[02:14:57]  It's opinion.
[02:14:58]  Yeah.
[02:14:59]  I mean, go look at these statements that, you know, everybody loves to point to.
[02:15:03]  You know, and yet when you look at it, you see them saying, Oh, I think, or this is what I believe, or certainly, you know, and you realize, wait a minute, not one of them has come out and said, This is exactly what I saw.
[02:15:17]  This is exactly what we were told.
[02:15:19]  This is an extraterrestrial civilization.
[02:15:22]  We hear these tales and stories that are never really backed up by the actual statements.
[02:15:28]  And that's kind of the bane and the problem in ufology, particularly in the ET hypothesis.
[02:15:36]  Anyway, is the stories, the hearsay, the rumor that cannot be substantiated.
[02:15:41]  Yeah, it's fascinating because the human factor is incredibly compelling.
[02:15:46]  And the idea of the off world civilization is adjunct to that.
[02:15:50]  But if you ignore the human aspect and the potential for the technology from a human civilization, you're ignoring a really big piece on the board.
[02:16:00]  I mean, it's kind of like the major piece.
[02:16:02]  Well, yeah.
[02:16:03]  And also, look, who would want you to ignore the human element in that but people who want you to grasp onto the ET element, and especially if those people want to set up those ET to be as gods, which is what for a lot of people out there, the ET hypothesis has become a religion.
[02:16:25]  Savior, yeah.
[02:16:26]  Yeah.
[02:16:27]  It's just for those who don't want to go to, you know, a Christian church or this church or that temple or whatever, they can just embrace the ET hypothesis.
[02:16:36]  And there they have.
[02:16:37]  Their religion substituted for them, you know, just repackaged.
[02:16:41]  But it's all the same thing.
[02:16:42]  It's faith, faith, faith.
[02:16:44]  Like the TTSA fanboys, you know, the game changer, dudes.
[02:16:48]  The game is changing, dudes.
[02:16:50]  It's like, no, the game is not changing.
[02:16:54]  It's just you've been played.
[02:16:56]  I like Martin, no less.
[02:16:58]  That's tough.
[02:16:59]  Yeah.
[02:17:00]  And here's the funny thing there's no way in hell I'm going to say extraterrestrials don't exist.
[02:17:06]  I'm not saying that.
[02:17:07]  I've never said that.
[02:17:08]  And I do think they're coming here.
[02:17:10]  Yeah, I do think that.
[02:17:12]  No question.
[02:17:13]  The irony is that the things that they want to slap the ET label on, okay, and insist that it's ET, it's ET, there's evidence that it's not that.
[02:17:24]  And there's historical context that says it's not that.
[02:17:28]  And so you have to ask yourself who's really behind the insistence that certain things are ET?
[02:17:34]  Well, the people running these X programs, the people that have been developing this technology for 150, 200 years that we know of that don't want us to know.
[02:17:43]  The true history of how it's being developed and who did it and why.
[02:17:47]  Yeah, it's X Tech first, UFO Tech second.
[02:17:52]  Yeah.
[02:17:54]  Olivia, you have been very patient, and patience is a virtue, and in patience possess ye your souls.
[02:18:02]  I want to remind everyone you're watching the Dark Journalist program.
[02:18:05]  We're here with Walter Bosley, and we're going deep on his origins book, and he has a new book coming out.
[02:18:11]  We're going to get into that, but let's get into a few questions here with Olivia now.
[02:18:15]  Okay, so David Tormina, Walter, do you believe X is related to consciousness technology?
[02:18:24]  No.
[02:18:26]  Not within the context we've been discussing tonight.
[02:18:29]  Now, if something has been developed in our times, then the answer would be yeah, why not?
[02:18:35]  So, if that's what you mean, if you mean the present day modern, yeah, I think that's in the mix, but I don't think that that was the start of it.

=== Moon Gravity and Consciousness (14:24) ===

[02:18:45]  That consciousness technology would be a byproduct of this.
[02:18:50]  Fascinating.
[02:18:51]  Miss Olivia.
[02:18:52]  Okay, I don't know how to phrase this question, but I've been wanting to ask you, Walter, about your conclusions about dimensionality and how that fits into all of this.
[02:19:05]  Multiple dimensionality.
[02:19:06]  You mean my, like the opinions that I've stated about, like my beliefs in other dimensions and things?
[02:19:15]  And how that fits in with.
[02:19:18]  Interdimensional beings and that sort of thing.
[02:19:21]  Wow.
[02:19:22]  That goes into.
[02:19:24]  I've had a lot of personal experiences, intense experiences since I was 16 years old over the years that I haven't written about and that I don't go into, mainly because I can't prove to any of you that I've had them.
[02:19:42]  And this goes into why I. See things the way I see them personally.
[02:19:52]  And as you can tell, it's very awkward for me to talk about this because to go into all these experiences would be like a series of shows to go into them in depth.
[02:20:03]  And I don't think I could convince very many of the listeners that it actually happened.
[02:20:10]  But the nature of these experiences and, you know, over the years, the things I've researched, you know, has convinced me even further that there are multiple dimensions, you know.
[02:20:26]  And that's the best I can answer that.
[02:20:30]  I do think there's an element of, and any individual can experience this.
[02:20:35]  I'm not special.
[02:20:37]  No one's special.
[02:20:37]  I'm not saying that, you know, special revelation or anything.
[02:20:42]  But the experiences I've had, I think anybody can have them.
[02:20:47]  But I think to an extent, they are a gift.
[02:20:50]  There's certain things that if you unlock certain locks, And you unveil things, you know, that you gain access to certain things.
[02:21:08]  And wow, that sounds really vague and stupid, but it's okay.
[02:21:15]  Let me bring it back.
[02:21:16]  Access to different levels.
[02:21:18]  Here's the thing when Hecate or the veiled Isis, in her form as veiled Isis, when she lifts her veil and reveals her true nature to you, what is her admonition?
[02:21:30]  That you tell no one, finger to the lips, you tell no one.
[02:21:33]  And I believe in that.
[02:21:34]  Okay.
[02:21:35]  I believe you're not really supposed to be, you reach a certain point where you're not supposed to be sharing every little thing that you come to because it's there for everybody else to figure out too.
[02:21:47]  And you're going to kind of ruin the experience for others.
[02:21:51]  Okay.
[02:21:52]  Because it's not something you can tell and share anyway, it's something you have to experience for yourself to really grasp all the dimensions of it.
[02:22:02]  Okay.
[02:22:04]  So, yeah, I think actually.
[02:22:07]  What was the question?
[02:22:08]  How do I come to that?
[02:22:10]  Well, I couldn't help but think.
[02:22:12]  I don't know.
[02:22:12]  I have a resistance to the idea of inner Earth.
[02:22:16]  I mean, obviously, we have underground bases, but this civilization, I just wonder if that could be.
[02:22:22]  For me, actually, it's easier to believe that that's somehow interdimensional.
[02:22:28]  Okay, well, here's the thing.
[02:22:29]  I don't think there's a hollow Earth like the Earth is a big hollow sphere kind of thing.
[02:22:34]  And like in the works of Edgar Rice Burroughs, which I love, the Pellucidar series, that you go in through a hole at the top and then there's these continents and the central sun and all that.
[02:22:44]  I don't think it's like that.
[02:22:45]  I do think that it's very possible that there are vast subterranean natural form chambers that might have their own ecosystem.
[02:22:57]  And maybe these have been altered by a civilization that has gone in there.
[02:23:02]  And so I think it's more something like that if it's real.
[02:23:08]  Well, absolutely.
[02:23:09]  It's really interesting, too.
[02:23:11]  I mean, when you get to those levels of the Earth, also your consciousness may change dramatically in terms of what you're able to perceive.
[02:23:18]  That's another thing when we get into this.
[02:23:20]  Just like we know when some of these craft in the X series are able to get up to a certain point, and then, you know, once they're a mile or two up there, then they can really cut loose and give some speed because they're in a different atmosphere.
[02:23:35]  So going into the inner Earth and living there, you know, we know.
[02:23:39]  Even when you're dealing a little bit underground, the environment changes.
[02:23:43]  So your consciousness immediately changes if you go that far down.
[02:23:47]  So I think that's really interesting, actually.
[02:23:50]  Keep rolling.
[02:23:51]  Okay.
[02:23:51]  So, David Tormina again.
[02:23:52]  Walter, do you think the moon missions use Bell technology?
[02:23:55]  The lunar module was bell shaped too?
[02:24:01]  Kind of, sort of, yeah, it was.
[02:24:03]  It had that geodesic kind of look to it.
[02:24:06]  Yes, I do think that the Apollo program used some type of assisted lift to get that module off the surface of the moon.
[02:24:18]  Joseph Farrell was talking about this.
[02:24:20]  Other people have.
[02:24:21]  If you watch the films of that, it's almost like The module, it's not like a propellant type of lift.
[02:24:29]  Okay.
[02:24:30]  It's a boom.
[02:24:32]  It's just here it is.
[02:24:33]  And all of a sudden it just goes boom like it's on a string being pulled up.
[02:24:37]  And I know that there's the one sixth, the gravity and the earth and all that issue and stuff, but still, there should be, if it was what we were told, it seems like there should be some other visual evidence of what we're told it was.
[02:24:51]  I think, yeah, there was some type of Bell anti gravity assist.
[02:24:57]  With the Apollo missions, definitely.
[02:24:59]  And yes, I do think we went to the moon.
[02:25:01]  I'm not having that discussion anymore with these bozos who don't believe we went to the moon.
[02:25:07]  What about the Van Allen belts?
[02:25:09]  The Van Allen belt would stop you.
[02:25:11]  Yeah, the Van Allen belts.
[02:25:12]  Well, here's the thing go back to your Oliver Heaviside, and the Van Allen belts are no problem.
[02:25:18]  And here's the thing if Oliver Heaviside came up with what he came up with in the 1890s, don't you think that 60, 70 some years later, they didn't apply?
[02:25:28]  You know, if they're using Bell technology for lift, they're using Oliver Heaviside to protect our spacecraft and our astronauts through those dreadful Van Allen belts.
[02:25:38]  I think what we can say for certain in relation to the moon landings is we've never been given the full story of the technology used that was involved.
[02:25:47]  It's pretty clear.
[02:25:48]  I would agree with that.
[02:25:48]  Yeah, absolutely agree with that, obviously.
[02:25:50]  Amazing.
[02:25:51]  People are so passionate about their beliefs around this.
[02:25:54]  We just don't know.
[02:25:55]  Okay, so the inquiring humanist.
[02:25:58]  Is there a direct link between the airship mystery and the secret space program in America?
[02:26:05]  Well, yeah.
[02:26:08]  If you could just line it.
[02:26:11]  Well, okay.
[02:26:12]  I think that's kind of what we've done all night.
[02:26:15]  And what I do in the book is I show you that there was the threat of development by the Germans in the 19th century.
[02:26:25]  And then, of course, what they ended up doing in the 20th century with the Nazis.
[02:26:29]  Okay.
[02:26:29]  And then we got those scientists, and they were the ones who.
[02:26:33]  You know, we were there helping our space program happen.
[02:26:37]  Okay.
[02:26:38]  Now, there was the other thing I mentioned about the, what I think, what I hypothesized was the first black project that was post Civil War that was responsible for the airship scene in the Great Airship Mystery.
[02:26:51]  But they used a very similar technology to what the Sonora Aero Club Germans were using.
[02:26:56]  Okay.
[02:26:57]  So there's your thread.
[02:27:00]  It's whatever we learned from, The airship technology, okay, had to do with, for example, Oliver Heaviside's gem work, okay?
[02:27:12]  And as I just said, there's your connection to Apollo, using it as an assisted lift to get us off the moon and who knows what else on those missions.
[02:27:22]  So, really, this book, Origin, you know, the stuff that I talk about in Origin, what we've been talking about tonight is the answer to your question when you dig into it and you look at the players and the elements.
[02:27:34]  So, Amazing.
[02:27:36]  Dornberger has to have that role there in the Secret Space Program, also.
[02:27:40]  I think a study around Dornberger instantly gives you some clue as to what's going on there as far as the SSP goes.
[02:27:49]  Miss Olivia.
[02:27:50]  Nimza says, I'd love to see how far this goes back.
[02:27:53]  I have a feeling Nimza's grandparents were involved with Ben Franklin and the American Revolution.
[02:27:58]  He was in secret societies and talking to the electrical pioneers in Germany.
[02:28:04]  Yeah, and in my new book coming out, I talk about this group.
[02:28:08]  I talked about them in another book.
[02:28:09]  There was the American Philosophical Society, which was America's version of the Royal Society, which had these philosopher scientists.
[02:28:17]  And Franklin was involved with this group, as were other interesting individuals.
[02:28:24]  And yeah, this might have been the root of whatever philosopher, scientist, industrialists were involved with this proposed secret black project that I hypothesize happened after the Civil War and resulted in the 1890s airship mystery.
[02:28:44]  Certainly, I think people involved in the milieu you're talking about with Franklin and the American Philosophical Society.
[02:28:52]  Yeah, there were Americans in that milieu that had been around since the colonial days.
[02:28:57]  That I think were certainly involved in this black project that led to the 1890s airship mystery.
[02:29:03]  And people are saying, probably, how did this black project happen?
[02:29:08]  Well, briefly, and I talk about this in the origin book, you had this individual, Solomon Andrews, who contacted Abraham Lincoln, okay, in 1863, and told him that he had this technology of this flying machine.
[02:29:22]  Lincoln was fascinated.
[02:29:24]  He told Edwin Stanton, his war secretary, To bring together the War Department guys to take a look at this.
[02:29:31]  And Solomon Andrews in 1864 demonstrated this flying machine in Washington, D.C., in front of Stanton and other War Department officials, plus two or three reporters.
[02:29:42]  And it was reported in a newspaper in 1864.
[02:29:46]  History tells us that Andrews was told, We're at war, we're a little busy, no thank you, we're not interested in a flying machine.
[02:29:54]  And I think what happened was that was kind of partially true.
[02:29:59]  They saw something, it's like, you know what?
[02:30:01]  We're in this war.
[02:30:01]  We got to win this war.
[02:30:02]  We don't know how fast we can develop this thing to make it useful.
[02:30:05]  But Mr. Andrews, hang on there.
[02:30:07]  We want to talk to you after the conflict.
[02:30:10]  I think after the war was over, I think Lincoln's Congress, okay, the Congress in 1864 told the War Department, acquire this technology.
[02:30:23]  The Congress ordered the War Department to acquire the technology.
[02:30:27]  And we are told that they told Andrews, no, thank you.
[02:30:29]  I think that's BS.
[02:30:30]  I think they did acquire the technology.
[02:30:32]  I think once the war was over, they secretly started developing this.
[02:30:36]  And that led to the 1890s airship sightings.
[02:30:40]  And there's the little bit, which is another conversation about the other breakaway I call the 1903.
[02:30:47]  But I think whoever was involved in this airship project, okay, this black project, these are the guys that carried the thread into the 20th century.
[02:31:01]  And that led to whatever was done with it in Apollo.
[02:31:05]  Fantastic.
[02:31:06]  Miss Olivia, we got about five minutes left.
[02:31:09]  Okay.
[02:31:09]  So, Thomas Tyson was asking about the Del Show paintings with the word Trump on them.
[02:31:15]  Haha, yes.
[02:31:18]  We can't find where there was anyone named Trump in the Sonora Aero Club.
[02:31:24]  I haven't thought of that, Walter, since he asked about it.
[02:31:27]  Oh, there we go.
[02:31:28]  Yeah, it's interesting.
[02:31:29]  Now, here's the other interesting thing.
[02:31:32]  When you look at the number series on Del Show had a number series on his arrows.
[02:31:38]  Okay.
[02:31:39]  The Trump arrow was in the 4500 series.
[02:31:43]  Which president of the United States is Donald Trump?
[02:31:46]  Wow.
[02:31:46]  How many episodes of X have you done before this one?
[02:31:51]  Donald Trump is the 45th president of the United States, and there, drawn in the 1890s of an 1850s arrow, is the name Trump, like it's on the top of a casino, and it's in the 4500 series.
[02:32:07]  It's quite remarkable.
[02:32:10]  Take a look at this.
[02:32:11]  Yeah, we are getting into Ingersoll Lockwood territory, my friends.
[02:32:16]  There's a little shout out to my buddy Todd Wood.
[02:32:19]  Who asked me about that?
[02:32:21]  And I am looking into that, and that will be connected with looking into this.
[02:32:25]  But here's the thing I have yet to find where there was a Trump involved in the Sonora Aero Club.
[02:32:31]  But let's remember that Frederick Trump, Donald's grandfather, came from Germany in the late 19th century.
[02:32:44]  Okay.
[02:32:45]  Yes.
[02:32:45]  And he did have family here.
[02:32:49]  I'm working on something now.
[02:32:50]  I don't want to go too deep into it, but I'm trying to put the pieces together with how, because we have John G. Trump, Donald's uncle, who was asked by the FBI to look at the Tesla papers, as we know.
[02:33:01]  You've talked about that.
[02:33:02]  So at some point, I do think the Trumps learned about these things we're talking about.

=== Projected Books and Shared Concepts (04:54) ===

[02:33:10]  And I'm still trying to put the pieces together.
[02:33:13]  It's a perfectly reasonable assumption, especially since John Trump's mentor is Vanover Bush.
[02:33:21]  I mean, you know, Vannevar Bush overlooking the work of John G. Trump and Vannevar Bush being in charge of the UFO file on record without MJ 12, on record from Wilbur Smith.
[02:33:33]  I mean, there's an obvious connection there.
[02:33:36]  You might always say, what's the extent of his knowledge?
[02:33:38]  But Trump lays it down very often that he says, you know, oh, my uncle shared a lot with me.
[02:33:44]  I mean, they were close.
[02:33:45]  And it is interesting to suspect that that's what he shared with them.
[02:33:48]  No question about it.
[02:33:50]  We'll take a couple more questions.
[02:33:51]  I want to remind everyone you're watching The Dark Journalist.
[02:33:54]  Show, and we're here with Walter Bosley going deep on the work that he's done on NIMSA and its connection to the X technology.
[02:34:02]  That's a close up of the equation that Walter was showing earlier.
[02:34:08]  And I have to say, it's quite compelling.
[02:34:11]  I think that those explanations and the fact that Joseph worked on those with you, it's a very interesting part of the Origins book.
[02:34:20]  And there's a lot in there with the X steganography and tracking that kind of.
[02:34:25]  Secret code through the technology, and then finding it here in someone who said this group was operating in 1850.
[02:34:34]  You know, that represents now 170 some odd years at least.
[02:34:39]  It's quite remarkable.
[02:34:41]  And, Walter, before we take the last two questions, the latest, the newest book, which is Secret Missions 4, everyone who knows you knows you've been working feverishly at it, and you say it's actually going to be done in April?
[02:34:57]  No, no, no.
[02:34:58]  It's going to be done this month.
[02:35:00]  It's going to be released this month.
[02:35:02]  It's, in fact, I might be earlier than my projected date.
[02:35:08]  I'll say that here and now.
[02:35:10]  Right now, it's under what I call colleague review.
[02:35:13]  I won't dare say peer because I don't consider myself a peer with the person who's looking at it, but a colleague has received it last night, the rough draft, and is reading through it now as I go through revisions.
[02:35:27]  And,.
[02:35:29]  No, I've owned a publishing company since 2002, and I publish my own works.
[02:35:33]  I've also published other authors, and I do print on demand.
[02:35:38]  So that's how I'm able to release books quickly after I finish them.
[02:35:43]  As soon as the manuscript is ready, I'm my own publisher, print on demand.
[02:35:47]  I just load it up and it's ready.
[02:35:49]  You don't have to wait like months.
[02:35:50]  So, where do people go to find your new book?
[02:35:55]  It will be, it's print on demand only at lulu.com.
[02:36:00]  I have a sales page there of all my stuff.
[02:36:03]  And just lulu.com.
[02:36:06]  It's worth the wait.
[02:36:08]  The prices are good and you end up with a nice printed book.
[02:36:11]  I used to do the digital books, but Amazon's not good for small publishers and indie authors.
[02:36:18]  So I'm not very sure.
[02:36:20]  I have some fiction on Kindle.
[02:36:21]  Let's say it's harder to plagiarize the print book.
[02:36:25]  Exactly.
[02:36:26]  Exactly.
[02:36:26]  A little harder.
[02:36:28]  It's harder to, you know, yeah, see a lot.
[02:36:30]  Wow.
[02:36:30]  Well, the work is fantastic.
[02:36:32]  Let me, what do you got?
[02:36:34]  Well, Mirror 13 wanted to know is Walter's TV show still moving forward?
[02:36:38]  Yeah.
[02:36:39]  How is that looking?
[02:36:40]  You mean the Empire?
[02:36:41]  See, Shimmering Light, there's also a producer that's been wanting to develop Shimmering Light.
[02:36:46]  And that started a year before I sold the rights to Empire of the Wheel.
[02:36:49]  So I got two things going.
[02:36:50]  But Empire of the Wheel, folks, briefly, I've talked a lot with the producer over the last month since the holidays, gone over little details that she's asked for a lot of input.
[02:37:05]  And the concept, the producer laid out the concept.
[02:37:12]  It's projected to be a three season project.
[02:37:16]  And that's how it's being pitched.
[02:37:18]  And the way.
[02:37:20]  That she has laid this out and her vision of it is just so exciting, it really is.
[02:37:26]  And those of you who've read the books, I think, are going to be very pleased.
[02:37:30]  I mean, we know that they usually take a little license to you know make the drama interesting, but nothing that she's taken license with and tweaked a little bit, um, betrays what's in the books.
[02:37:44]  And I'm very, very pleased with that.
[02:37:47]  And she's really put out that it's, I'm excited about it, I'm excited about it.
[02:37:53]  And the pitch should happen sometime soon here.
[02:37:57]  And I'm hoping to be able to tell more about it at that time.
[02:38:00]  EOTW, as we know, the Empire of the Wheels series.

=== Thank You and Next Week (10:29) ===

[02:38:04]  Fascinating.
[02:38:05]  And of course, we're rooting for you to get a cameo in the series.
[02:38:08]  That's what's going on.
[02:38:11]  Olivia, the producer said that if they depict me, I don't want to go too much into that, but they're supposed to depict me doing the research and investigation.
[02:38:20]  I said, great.
[02:38:21]  Give me enough time to lose weight so that when you cast somebody, it's.
[02:38:25]  You don't have to cast the fat guy.
[02:38:30]  We can only see how that's going to work out.
[02:38:32]  If you get a chance to choose the guy, that'll be good.
[02:38:35]  I won't.
[02:38:36]  That's not how it works.
[02:38:38]  I jokingly told her, I said, I'm no Harlan Ellison.
[02:38:41]  I love Harlan Ellison, but I'm the kind of writer that, my gosh, you give me money to make something of mine into a dramatic TV series.
[02:38:48]  I'm going to sit back and smile and love it.
[02:38:51]  Fantastic.
[02:38:53]  But I'll have no input, no say, other than when they ask me.
[02:38:57]  And she's doing great on her own with putting this together.
[02:39:01]  No, it's awesome.
[02:39:02]  I mean, there's a lot of exciting potential around it, too, in terms of what it could open up for the conversation.
[02:39:09]  Miss Olivia, the last question, go for it.
[02:39:10]  Okay.
[02:39:11]  Well, actually, I've got two more questions.
[02:39:12]  Very good.
[02:39:12]  One is, okay.
[02:39:13]  Kate Schneider wants to know what are Walter's thoughts on the UFO Umu Mua, with scientists now strongly considering it as part of an alien spaceship?
[02:39:21]  Excellent question.
[02:39:22]  Wow.
[02:39:23]  I have, I got to be honest with you, on that one, that one has been very convincing to me from the start.
[02:39:28]  I think we, and we all could be wrong.
[02:39:31]  But you're asking me what I think now.
[02:39:33]  At present, I think we might literally, honestly, be looking at some intelligent ET thing.
[02:39:41]  And that's exciting.
[02:39:42]  I hope it's true.
[02:39:43]  Some sort.
[02:39:45]  A what?
[02:39:45]  It's kind of a probe of the universe.
[02:39:47]  Yeah.
[02:39:49]  It's so far what I've heard has me on that side of the spectrum, the ET side of the spectrum.
[02:39:54]  So, see, folks, I don't totally rein on the ET thing.
[02:39:58]  Okay.
[02:39:58]  I just, I try to call error and BS where I see it through analysis and research.
[02:40:05]  But that one, I think, Uma, Uma, however you pronounce it, I think it's legit at this point.
[02:40:09]  I think it's legit until proven otherwise.
[02:40:11]  How do you expect the, if that's true?
[02:40:16]  How do you expect that to be revealed and for the public to react to it?
[02:40:23]  First of all, I think, look, I think it'll be only the most ignorant element of the human spectrum here on Earth will have a negative reaction to it.
[02:40:33]  Okay.
[02:40:34]  And those people just need to let's hold their hands.
[02:40:37]  Let's, but they need to be told, you'll calm down.
[02:40:39]  You will not cause issue over this.
[02:40:43]  Okay.
[02:40:44]  Sorry if your reality bubble has been burst.
[02:40:47]  It's not the sixth century or whatever era you're living in.
[02:40:52]  But seriously, I think most human beings are going to be fine with it.
[02:40:56]  I've been of the mind that the ETs, I think they are going to determine how they're disclosed.
[02:41:04]  I don't think we're going to have anything to do with it.
[02:41:07]  I think when they decide to say we're here, they're just going to say it and they're really not going to give a crap.
[02:41:13]  Why?
[02:41:14]  Because I think their attitude probably is we need to get with the program and grow up.
[02:41:19]  And their attitude probably is, oh, your leaders have been suppressing our presence and been lying to you.
[02:41:26]  Okay, well, screw them.
[02:41:28]  We're here.
[02:41:29]  This is what I personally think.
[02:41:31]  So I think that they control disclosure.
[02:41:38]  I'm going to predict right here on this show that Michael Shermer and the amazing Randy are going to hold hands and jump off a bridge together.
[02:41:46]  It's just too much to live down after all this time.
[02:41:50]  Walter, amazing stuff.
[02:41:51]  Thank you so much.
[02:41:52]  Thank you.
[02:41:53]  And incredible work.
[02:41:54]  We're all looking forward to the new book at the end of February here, which is.
[02:41:58]  Or sooner, or sooner.
[02:42:00]  Hey, we'll be watching your Facebook page for this, Miss Olivia.
[02:42:04]  I actually wanted to ask Walter another question.
[02:42:06]  Okay, yes.
[02:42:06]  Okay, sure.
[02:42:07]  What do you think of the drills that have been going on in LA?
[02:42:11]  What?
[02:42:11]  I just, I've been so focused on my book.
[02:42:15]  I just saw the initial stuff about that last night.
[02:42:19]  So they are drills?
[02:42:21]  Yeah, it's been going on, from what I understand, for about three nights.
[02:42:24]  They're pretty.
[02:42:24]  Yeah.
[02:42:27]  Here's what I think.
[02:42:28]  It's probably not as sinister as people are making it out.
[02:42:33]  I think what they've done is whatever the drills are, of course, they've coordinated it with local law enforcement and local, you know, first responders, that kind of thing.
[02:42:42]  And it's just, it just is what it is.
[02:42:47]  They're doing, you know, whatever it is they're doing.
[02:42:51]  And I don't think it's any new world order.
[02:42:55]  Type thing.
[02:42:56]  But again, it's so new to me that I'm not sure what the latest is on what people are saying about it.
[02:43:03]  Are you at all concerned about the yellow vests movement spreading to this country?
[02:43:11]  Well, my understanding of the yellow vests, okay, last I saw about that several weeks ago is they were depicted as the good guys, right?
[02:43:24]  Yes.
[02:43:24]  I think that what Olivia is trying to get at is the kind of panic riot conditions moving over from Europe, in you know, so it's going to go from France to the UK here.
[02:43:35]  And the kind of my initial knee jerk reaction to the question is the ones I see doing that would not be the yellow vest types.
[02:43:49]  The ones I see here, the ones I see doing that are the people who, you know, the other night when the comment was made, America will never be a socialist nation.
[02:43:59]  Yeah.
[02:44:00]  You saw some people just grinding their teeth and tweaking out over that.
[02:44:04]  And I was loving every minute of it because most people who know me know that I despise and hate socialism and everything about it.
[02:44:13]  So that was a wonderful moment for me to see them squirm.
[02:44:16]  But I think it'll be those people.
[02:44:18]  I don't think you should hold back on your emotions there.
[02:44:22]  Come on.
[02:44:23]  Think about it this way.
[02:44:24]  I was a Fed for 12 years, right?
[02:44:27]  And the first 12.
[02:44:29]  A Fed for almost 20 years, but for the first 12 years of my career, every day I was up against agents of the Soviet Union.
[02:44:36]  Okay.
[02:44:38]  And it wasn't just because, well, they're the target of the day and that's my job.
[02:44:41]  No, I truly, I truly, you know, I learned about socialism and we watched the Soviet, you know, what communism did.
[02:44:47]  And I hate that ideology.
[02:44:49]  I hate it with every ounce of my soul because it sounds great and utopian, but it never works out that way.
[02:44:56]  So the point is, I think.
[02:44:59]  My concern is what will happen is as the majority of Americans really start shaking off the nonsense of the last several years and it becomes clear that no, they don't want a socialist utopia.
[02:45:12]  I think that side are going to flip out at some point.
[02:45:15]  I fear they're going to flip out at some point and kind of go violent.
[02:45:19]  So that's my concern.
[02:45:20]  I mean, look how Antifa behaved when they were doing their thing.
[02:45:27]  So I think that's going to do it.
[02:45:30]  Wow.
[02:45:32]  Amazing.
[02:45:32]  Walter, thank you so much.
[02:45:34]  Fantastic stuff.
[02:45:35]  The question was great tonight.
[02:45:38]  And we will see everyone next week.
[02:45:40]  Walter's book is coming out soon.
[02:45:42]  We're all excited for that.
[02:45:43]  The book we're talking about tonight was Origin, which is the 19th century emergence of the 20th century breakaway civilization.
[02:45:51]  This is an extraordinary book.
[02:45:53]  And that's where this interpretation of this code resides for Del Shau's work and Nimza, which is a real incredible.
[02:46:03]  There's only one guide in my mind for the NIMSA work, and that's you, Walter.
[02:46:07]  Amazing stuff.
[02:46:09]  Well, a lot of guys came before me on that.
[02:46:11]  Well, you cited them.
[02:46:12]  I think you've done pretty good on that.
[02:46:14]  I try to do that in all the books, too.
[02:46:16]  Absolutely.
[02:46:17]  No, it's a fair shake.
[02:46:19]  Fantastic crowd tonight.
[02:46:21]  I want to shout out to Dimensions and Beyond.
[02:46:23]  Carly, doing a great job.
[02:46:25]  And of course, her podcast is fantastic.
[02:46:27]  Deep State Kate, great questions tonight and also doing fantastic reporting.
[02:46:32]  Najat, It's great to see you.
[02:46:35]  We will be back next week and have a fantastic weekend, everyone.
[02:46:39]  I think there are so many stories breaking that February is going to be just explosive.
[02:46:44]  And wow, we have a great guest lineup as well.
[02:46:47]  We're going back into the hot zone, of course, in the next episode.
[02:46:52]  So watch out there.
[02:46:53]  And Walter, we will see you soon.
[02:46:56]  Thank you for having me on, guys.
[02:46:58]  It was great to talk with you again tonight.
[02:47:01]  Everybody wants you back right away.
[02:47:02]  There's tons of unanswered questions.
[02:47:05]  There's no question.
[02:47:06]  Oh, okay, great.
[02:47:06]  Well, by the time you have me back, the new book will be out probably too.
[02:47:10]  So there will be that to talk about.
[02:47:13]  Well, we got to learn about the Tua Dedanen also.
[02:47:16]  We have to go further into that one.
[02:47:17]  So we know we have at least three or four shows in the bag with you.
[02:47:22]  For sure.
[02:47:23]  Have a great day, guys.
[02:47:24]  All right, you too.
[02:47:25]  Thank you.
[02:47:26]  And everyone, Miss Olivia, thank you so much.
[02:47:29]  Excellent job, as usual.
[02:47:30]  Fantastic questions.
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[02:48:13]  And Olivia, the last question is what's for dinner?
[02:48:16]  Pizza, pizza, pizza, pizza, and root beer.
[02:48:20]  Now, that's interesting.
[02:48:21]  Pizza, pizza, is that a code?
[02:48:24]  It's a commercial.
[02:48:24]  Oh, I thought we might be looking at Nimsa too.
[02:48:29]  Thank you so much, everyone.
[02:48:32]  Pizza, pizza.