Dark Journalist - DARK JOURNALIST X SERIES 45: CIA PSYCHIC SPECTRAL DOUBLE & UFO FILE X-PROTECT REVEALED!
Aired: 2019-02-02
Duration: 02:35:51


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[00:00:03]  And we are live.
[00:00:04]  This is Dark Journalist.
[00:00:05]  It's great to be here with everyone.
[00:00:07]  What a fantastic crowd we have tonight for episode 45 of our ex steganography series.
[00:00:14]  As usual, I'm joined by the lovely Olivia.
[00:00:16]  Hi, everybody.
[00:00:18]  And tonight's going to be very special.
[00:00:20]  You know, I guess in the realm of these episodes, you would call it the stuff that dreams are made of, because we're going to go deep into a very dreamy subject and a very obscured subject.
[00:00:33]  And Of course, often distorted subject, which is the psychic realm of intelligence activity.
[00:00:41]  And in order to do this, we're going to move very easily between the 21st and 19th century and back and forth to discover the real roots of this.
[00:00:52]  And then we're going to find it harkens back even a lot further than that.
[00:00:55]  But I think very often when we get into these situations of looking at the uses of psychic information in everyday society, we run into a lot of roadblocks.
[00:01:07]  Because they've been placed there intentionally, because the people who are using those faculties and using those things don't want the general population to have access to them, because then it becomes a lot easier for us to see what's going on.
[00:01:21]  And I want to make a quick note here for all our friends in the Midwest who are just freezing with this incredible polar vortex.
[00:01:29]  You know, it was funny, I was talking with Olivia earlier today and saying this whole weekend really should be free of even anything.
[00:01:38]  Deep on the political side in terms of rancor and talk.
[00:01:40]  And people should really be watching out for all the people under the alarm zone of the polar vortex because that is some serious stuff.
[00:01:48]  And we have not seen temperatures like that in over four decades in many parts of America and around the world.
[00:01:54]  So, you know, instead of getting into too much of these dogfights and two minutes hate that they like to get us into on the political side, you know, if you see an elderly person, ask them if they're doing okay and sort of get the coffee out, get the hot chocolate out.
[00:02:10]  And get the extra dollar or two out for people who are there in these urban centers under conditions that are really inhuman.
[00:02:20]  And I think that we're going to be looking deeper into the weather issues and what exactly is happening in that department.
[00:02:26]  But it is a good reminder for us, I think.
[00:02:27]  And we are going to be addressing that in future episodes.
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[00:03:44]  So I think something new is going to rise out of this.
[00:03:46]  And that's my kind of two cents on it.
[00:03:50]  I do want to mention also that in many ways, this episode, I've been looking around at what they've been doing in the mainstream media and some of the things they're pushing, like this old Project Blue Book show on the History Channel.
[00:04:05]  And how interesting it is, you know, I was having a conversation with a friend of mine who's a radio announcer, and he was saying, you know, they must just think there were ants on the UFO side to keep all this information from us and now trotting out old Blue Book cases which were already to whitewash the public back then.
[00:04:22]  And that's sort of the big realization, which is, you know, they're going backwards and they're going back to that.
[00:04:28]  Well, I'd like to say that what we're attempting to present to you here is something that we know about, which is, you know, in the 50s, they had Project Blue Book and then they had CIA Blue Book.
[00:04:40]  And we know that Vice President Nixon was ahead of it.
[00:04:43]  And we know that as they went along, that CIA Blue Book became the main UFO program.
[00:04:48]  And that's the one that we're focused on, you know.
[00:04:51]  It's all Fine and dandy that they rolled out some cases in the 50s and 60s, but that's sort of a way to keep it boxed in and to really refer back to the whitewash as history, which it never was in the first place.
[00:05:03]  That was quite a cover up back then, and it's just not the era for it now.
[00:05:07]  And along this line, they've been pumping up this story recently about this FOIA request that came out and is telling everyone now that the CIA and the Pentagon were looking into things like UFOs, invisibility they were looking into.
[00:05:22]  Of course, we've done a number of shows on invisibility regarding new technology.
[00:05:27]  And in articles like this, this one's in The Verge, but of course in Wired and the New York Times and everything else, they're saying, oh, you know, this is such a breakthrough that we know about this.
[00:05:36]  And, you know, it's so funny because the way that they let these things out is amusing.
[00:05:43]  But I think it is significant in this sense, which is that when we look at issues like psychic phenomena, and, you know, it's on record that the CIA studied psychic phenomena for purposes of foreign entry.
[00:05:59]  But then they may have used those abilities beyond the original mandate, as the CIA is wont to do.
[00:06:06]  So, one of the things I like to point out in this regard is the only thing that's important about these things when they come out is not where these types of stories lead us.
[00:06:16]  That is, you know, the TTSA sanitized version, Tom DeLong, New York Times version of UFO disclosure, which is all about a threat and all these types of things to create new government.
[00:06:29]  Bureaucracies to handle a threat that's not alien, but it's something that's out there.
[00:06:33]  These are exactly the things to watch out for.
[00:06:35]  And interestingly enough, in the midst of this episode, they get exposed because many of the same players were involved in exactly the subject matter that we're looking at tonight, which has a great deal to do with psychic doubles.

=== CIA and UFO Phenomena (13:02) ===

[00:06:51]  Now, this is a very interesting area.
[00:06:55]  And then to go a little bit further, I thought we'd look at the CIA aspects of psychic doubles.
[00:07:02]  It's just going to make it even more interesting.
[00:07:03]  And it's going to make stories like this, you know, we're going to use their own kind of propaganda against them.
[00:07:10]  And it's going to actually open up, be a real eye opener.
[00:07:14]  But this idea of psychic doubles is quite interesting because we have a lot of understanding of doubles in entertainment.
[00:07:23]  In psychology, of course, there's the shadow and Jungian work.
[00:07:28]  And of course, there's the, you know, the kind of evil version of Superman or evil Captain Kirk.
[00:07:35]  And Twin Peaks.
[00:07:38]  My favorite.
[00:07:40]  Mirror Mirror is the best episode there is.
[00:07:42]  It is.
[00:07:43]  It is.
[00:07:43]  But this was a recurring thing, and it's something that we kind of understand.
[00:07:49]  There's a kind of natural mythology built in here about the evil other, you know, that other self, that there is a double.
[00:07:58]  But where does this come from?
[00:08:00]  And, you know, when you look back and find in the Steiner work that he refers to Araman, it's interesting because Araman in Persian mythology is the evil twin of Ahura Mazda, who's basically the.
[00:08:16]  Kind of savior of the world, trying to save things.
[00:08:19]  And Ahriman is really there to kind of turn the world into a gigantic unconscious zone.
[00:08:28]  And he's there to kind of bring in this whole lower and astral thing.
[00:08:31]  What's fascinating is this idea of twin, again, is at the very heart of this.
[00:08:38]  And twin and double and evil double and, you know, sort of astral projection.
[00:08:46]  These are all things that suddenly are in the lexicon.
[00:08:48]  We understand them.
[00:08:50]  From a couple of different angles that we can select, and this is going to help us because I think there's a lot of religious texts that will refer to this quality of somebody going into the state and being able to project themselves to another place.
[00:09:05]  Even some of the earliest Christian texts contain it.
[00:09:09]  Of course, with the breakthroughs that we had after the spiritualist movement in the 19th century, we have all of these accounts of people doing astral projection.
[00:09:20]  So, this idea that you can be in two places at once.
[00:09:23]  Or that there's a way to craft this type of ability.
[00:09:27]  In the 1990s, all these documents came out that the CIA had a program for remote viewing.
[00:09:32]  And we've talked to some of the best remote viewers, including the man who created the program, Russell Targ, on this show.
[00:09:40]  And I've had the opportunity to spend time with him.
[00:09:45]  And there's no question about it, you know, they sort of utilize his deep interest of being a physicist on one side and being very interested in psychic matter.
[00:09:54]  The problem is, of course.
[00:09:58]  The Russians and, you know, in this era, the 50s and 60s, were way ahead of America on that particular tip.
[00:10:07]  But we had a very active mystery school network that had connections with this political scene.
[00:10:12]  So you see this kind of come up in very unusual ways at times.
[00:10:16]  But the CIA putting a program to work in the 70s about remote viewing and how Scientologists were involved in that, including Hal Putoff.
[00:10:30]  And that there was this kind of presence there of Scientology around these early versions of remote viewing, I think is going to also be quite significant to look at.
[00:10:40]  But what I want to call attention to is that once we got into this habit of using it, you know, and they used the remote viewing program according to TARG, directly quoted from my show, they used it to rescue State Department officials, ambassadors who were trapped in other countries.
[00:11:01]  They would use it for a variety of surveillance purposes.
[00:11:04]  That is, They would take a psychic individual, a remote viewer.
[00:11:08]  Somebody mentioned Ingo Swan up there, who's definitely one of the best because he was just an incredible psychic.
[00:11:14]  And the idea is you know, the government goes out and they take those psychics, they train them with these particular protocols.
[00:11:24]  And, you know, those psychics are under surveillance and they're under non disclosure agreements to a point, and then things come out.
[00:11:34]  Now, there are deeper cases and there are.
[00:11:36]  You know, you could almost say entire groups of psychics who work with the government.
[00:11:40]  This isn't made specific in any kind of government documents.
[00:11:46]  You just hear about these programs.
[00:11:48]  Even when it came to the remote viewing program and how it came out, the government denied that they got any value out of it.
[00:11:54]  And that's why they abandoned it.
[00:11:55]  In fact, they never abandoned the program.
[00:11:58]  And they just did that classic thing, which is they made it into a contractor type environment.
[00:12:05]  But this idea of psychics being used by the CIA and how that all plays out in terms of the regular.
[00:12:14]  Kind of geopolitics that we see in the whole political scene, there has to be some understanding on our side that it's real, one, two, that we have access to that, and three, that even though they blow it off on a societal level or they blow it off on a government level, it's deep, deep, deep in the system and forms a very intricate part of the deep state.
[00:12:39]  They have those people trained to do that type of psychic warfare.
[00:12:43]  There's no question about it.
[00:12:44]  And psychic intelligence gathering.
[00:12:47]  So, this idea of a psychic twin comes up a lot in ufology because we're so used to these stories of people coming out with their story and then getting hushed up by men in black.
[00:12:59]  Now, this is quite significant and it became almost a cliche because it happened so often.
[00:13:07]  But the people who went in there to study it, who were superior on the reporting side, found out that not only was the phenomenon real, But it was a lot deeper than how it was being portrayed as just this intimidation game.
[00:13:20]  There were a lot of supernatural things that would occur with it.
[00:13:28]  Now, if you've watched this program before, you know that I refer to a number of things involved with the UFO phenomena as apothegm, because apothegm is this effect where it's kind of a runaway physics, kind of turns the world of physics that we understand on its head.
[00:13:43]  So you have things like missing time, you have things like invisibility, you have things like Going through matter, ships that go through walls, people who walk through walls.
[00:13:53]  These are very unusual qualities in a normal 3D environment to be taking place in people's memories and witness recollections.
[00:14:02]  So you have to ask yourself, what kind of a mechanism is taking place?
[00:14:08]  And there are a number of effects that come out in relation to UFOs as well, such as when they hover over a certain field, nothing will grow there.
[00:14:17]  This is also part of that apothecum effect.
[00:14:20]  And the little bit of it that shows up, that blinking out quality that they have also, concerns our national security state very, very deeply and always has.
[00:14:30]  And they've studied that aspect of it.
[00:14:32]  And they've laid down a group that I've called X Protect on this program.
[00:14:37]  And X Protect is there, and this is the heart of where the Men in Black stories come from X Protect is there to shut down discussion, to ridicule discussion, and to discredit the speakers.
[00:14:52]  Involved in legitimate UFO cases, getting too close, and to also just spin those stories.
[00:14:59]  And ultimately, in certain types of witness elimination, we've seen them active also.
[00:15:05]  X Protect is a lethal group deep, deep inside the covert arm that is connected to the aerospace companies on the intelligence side and on the deep state side.
[00:15:18]  It's very tricky for us to get a handle on it because this is a very small group.
[00:15:23]  And all we have are these witness stories and these unusual cases of UFO researchers who die in the middle of these cases, like Morris Jessup.
[00:15:33]  And, you know, all the way up, I mean, people like Mac Tawny's also, I think, it's very, they have very unusual deaths as they're getting closer to these ideas.
[00:15:42]  And I think that this gives us a chance to really look at those things.
[00:15:47]  Now, a couple of quick things I wanted to mention before we dive into tonight's topics and how we're doing out there, Miss Lillian.
[00:15:54]  We're doing great.
[00:15:56]  Do you want to know something right?
[00:15:57]  Yes, absolutely.
[00:15:58]  So, Zora Dax says, I went to an elementary school with my doppelganger.
[00:16:03]  They even mixed up our names in the yearbook.
[00:16:06]  That's how closely they look.
[00:16:08]  All right.
[00:16:09]  And I think we all have multiple doppelgangers.
[00:16:11]  My whole life, people think they know me, but they never do.
[00:16:15]  Wow.
[00:16:15]  That is fascinating.
[00:16:17]  You know, I'll tell you, my mother spoke to me about this subject at a very early age.
[00:16:23]  And so it made an impression on me back then.
[00:16:26]  But she had some very good stories along this line as well.
[00:16:29]  So it's something that I've had rolling around in my mind for a number of years.
[00:16:34]  And I've looked deep, deep into it.
[00:16:35]  And I have to say that.
[00:16:36]  There's two people that I'm going to bring forward tonight.
[00:16:39]  One of them you're very familiar with, John Keel.
[00:16:42]  And he's the late researcher who got really, really into the whole UFO phenomena.
[00:16:48]  And he also got deep into the Mothman.
[00:16:53]  The Mothman Prophecies is based on his best selling book.
[00:16:56]  And he was a 40 and he was somebody who had that outlook, but he had the reporter skills and the kind of intellectual grasp to keep up with the subject without getting sucked into it.
[00:17:08]  Which I think is very important.
[00:17:10]  And he didn't have a lot of the blocks.
[00:17:12]  Some people, somebody referred me to something by Nick Pope.
[00:17:18]  And I said, look, you're never going to get the truth from Nick Pope because he's Ministry of Defense.
[00:17:24]  And I'm sure that they make efforts on their side to have a public relations arm, but that's not where you're going to get the kind of information that's essential in a field like this.
[00:17:34]  It's the last place that you'd look.
[00:17:38]  No offense to Nick, but.
[00:17:41]  We have to go much, much deeper, just like the TTSA and the Louis Elizondos of the world being counterintelligence CIA people.
[00:17:49]  You don't go near that when you want the truth about the subject.
[00:17:52]  And our fundamental group of UFO researchers, some of the top people who used to understand this, people like George Knapp, they used to understand you don't go to that level to get to it.
[00:18:06]  It's very hard, and that those are the people who will block and spin everything.
[00:18:11]  Very interestingly, the CIA targeted those people almost in their retirement now to kind of give them an entree into this world to be like, hey, we're taking over now.
[00:18:19]  Introduce us.
[00:18:21]  This is very strange, but they forgot about us who know better.
[00:18:25]  And so it's very important.
[00:18:27]  There is a reason why those counterintelligence programs are active, and billions of dollars are at stake in developing a program in response officially, like ATIP, for example.
[00:18:38]  Now, ATIP was only a $22 million exercise and may not have even existed, even though Harry Reid and You know, I mean, technically on paper, the New York Times said it existed and they had this dance with the Pentagon and all the rest.
[00:18:51]  But $22 million, as everyone knows, which is what they said that they had allotted the program over five years, won't get you anything.
[00:18:58]  And their main man, Luis Elizondo, who was heading up the project supposedly, you know, we have pictures of him in Missouri in the period he was supposed to be running the UFO desk and he's running a shipping company.
[00:19:12]  And he's a real counterintelligence CIA officer, but he happened to.
[00:19:17]  Be working in a shipping company with a partner, not running the ATIP UFO desk in 2010.
[00:19:22]  So there's a lot of inconsistencies.
[00:19:24]  And, you know, nobody, in my opinion, asked Elizondo any of the right questions, such as, Do you have any contractual relationship with the CIA anymore?
[00:19:33]  That question alone will instantly give us the idea immediately that they're spinning a story.
[00:19:39]  For what becomes the next question.
[00:19:42]  But I'm going to save that because we're going to go deep to find out what the psychic doubles idea and aspect being utilized by a group like X Protect would be.
[00:19:51]  Where would they get the ability to do this?

=== Esoteric Symbols and X (15:39) ===

[00:19:54]  What are they drawing it?
[00:19:55]  From, and I think that's a kind of a crucial part that we're going to get to tonight.
[00:19:58]  One thing I do want to mention is that so many people are getting good at ex steganography and sending me things that it's making my job a lot easier.
[00:20:07]  But I want to salute some of them tonight because some of the things they found are genuinely eye opening, and some of them they're finding things that I have found, but you know, we're kind of on this crisscross where I'll find it like three weeks before they did, or they'll find it just before I do.
[00:20:19]  It's very unusual.
[00:20:23]  I'd say synchronicities are running high, rather.
[00:20:28]  This is very interesting to me also because I will say when we were working on the Sami portion of the Laplander connection to all this, and you know, I'm not one to really sort of go too out on a limb in terms of metaphysical things happen, but there was some genuinely a poltergeist style activity when we were looking into it.
[00:20:49]  I don't think there's any doubt about it.
[00:20:51]  And one of the funniest things I want to mention in this regard let's see if I can show this actually.
[00:20:58]  When I was putting together some of the material on the Laplander, Landers kind of map that they have on their drum for their shaman state.
[00:21:07]  Over and over again, the software was creating a doppelganger of the image.
[00:21:11]  And I showed this to Olivia.
[00:21:12]  So this was not.
[00:21:13]  This is no joke.
[00:21:14]  This is no joke.
[00:21:15]  It was amazing that it would repeat it over and over again.
[00:21:18]  That when I would pop it up and start to work with it, immediately another version of this thing would come up.
[00:21:23]  It was almost like an inside joke.
[00:21:25]  So I took some screen snaps of this and we'll look at it tonight just to have a little fun.
[00:21:30]  But right off the bat, the X Deganography.
[00:21:32]  I'm just going to describe what it is briefly.
[00:21:34]  A steganography is something that was developed in the Middle Ages to, it was actually developed a lot earlier, but it was announced in the Middle Ages as a way to develop this method for transmitting things, called a text within a text by the Greeks.
[00:21:53]  So that it's something that would be there in plain sight that you would ordinarily see, like looking at a traditional book, like the Bible, for example.
[00:22:02]  But there's a code there for people who can understand it and can read it.
[00:22:06]  But people understand codes usually as something to be broken.
[00:22:09]  So, like, you know, cryptography, that kind of password breaking.
[00:22:15]  This would be a little bit different because with steganography, it has to be hidden in plain sight and it's always where you least expect it.
[00:22:23]  So, those people that are trained to see it can read it like a map and they can understand its significance.
[00:22:31]  And what happened when I was looking at a lot of programs that I thought were remarkable on the technology side.
[00:22:38]  Mostly from the 1960s, because I noticed that the space planes were still holding records and that they were developed by Walter Dornberger, who was one of the generals we brought over during Operation Paperclip, and that he had very, very unusual relationships with Bill Helicopter, and there were some deep things going on here.
[00:22:58]  One of the strange things I think that caught my eye was the fact that they were using the X for every program that went black.
[00:23:05]  So when Blue Gemini went black, we got this group of X planes that came up.
[00:23:11]  And we had a number of, I think now it's up to 200, but I originally came up with about 150.
[00:23:19]  And I said, there's a code there that we're going to follow this steganography all the way through.
[00:23:24]  And it was interesting because it was showing up in different government agencies.
[00:23:27]  So it wasn't just one agency popping this out.
[00:23:30]  It was the Foreign Technology Office, it was groups that dealt with aerospace, it was the NRO.
[00:23:35]  So they were using it.
[00:23:37]  And I found out that it was a much older code, which had been used by mystery schools, and that even some of those public mystery schools that had come out, like Theosophy and Anthroposophy, were actively using it, as I've demonstrated on this program.
[00:23:51]  In our 45 some odd episode.
[00:23:54]  But the reach of that ex steganography and how far back it goes, now people are discovering along with me, they're finding it in religious tapestries and all the rest of it.
[00:24:06]  So this is one, and this is a regular in our ideas room here on the chat.
[00:24:10]  This is Najat Madri, put this one up on Twitter.
[00:24:13]  Thank you, Najat.
[00:24:14]  Which is fascinating.
[00:24:17]  And we're going to get deep into this because we're doing a fascinating episode dealing.
[00:24:22]  Exactly, with this period of the early Christian mysticism.
[00:24:26]  But right there, I mean, this X is actually quite dramatic the way that it is placed before this illuminated Christ figure.
[00:24:34]  And of course, Christ is very, very connected with the X steganography.
[00:24:39]  There's quite a few interesting examples.
[00:24:42]  I found this one.
[00:24:43]  They were like, hey, you know, we found this new 4,000 year old Egyptian mummy.
[00:24:48]  They just opened it.
[00:24:49]  And these crosses with the X here, this is a priest now, and they have this over.
[00:24:57]  His torso here, which I thought that's interesting because it's just breaking.
[00:25:01]  How fascinating.
[00:25:04]  The Army intelligence logos, we've gone through these, but I love to show these because they always incorporate one, the ancient symbology here of the Sphinx, along with the key, remember, which is the X itself, and then the apothecary, the technology effect that takes place.
[00:25:23]  So those are, I think, really kind of very valuable.
[00:25:27]  CERN came out with a story.
[00:25:29]  Pretty recently, about finding four new X particles.
[00:25:33]  And CERN is very plugged into the X steganography, of course.
[00:25:37]  And the fact that they're bringing it forward and that they're making a new Hadron Collider, particle collider, the Large Hadron Collider, they're doing it five times as big with a $20 billion budget.
[00:25:52]  You know, we used to sit here and go, where do you get $6 billion for a scientific project?
[00:25:57]  It doesn't happen because that's a military sized budget.
[00:26:00]  Well, now it's 20 billion, so the figure goes up and up.
[00:26:05]  This one is the movements associated with anthroposophy in Steiner's mystery plays, and the X is right in the heart of the movements that they do.
[00:26:17]  Steiner is very, very aware of the X steganography and utilized it throughout the work of anthroposophy.
[00:26:22]  I hope to get a chance.
[00:26:25]  We've done a number of episodes on Steiner, but I hope that in doing this, We're going to really go even deeper because there's so much I think that Steiner's work has to offer us.
[00:26:37]  Of course, entering the underworld, the figure of Osiris and the X there, the Egyptians, all the way back to the Book of the Dead.
[00:26:47]  And you'll find it throughout there.
[00:26:48]  They understand that X steganography.
[00:26:50]  Now, again, in that period, the X steganography is referring to this massive event, most likely the destruction of Atlantis, and how this technology is moved in secret and the ideas about it.
[00:27:05]  Because it's more than technology back then, it's actually takes on spiritual aspects as well.
[00:27:11]  This I found particularly interesting.
[00:27:13]  It is the picture of kind of a mastodon in.
[00:27:20]  They found this.
[00:27:20]  This is one of the oldest sculptures that they've found now, and it is 40,000 BC.
[00:27:27]  And here we have the mystery school X pattern all over the.
[00:27:33]  I mean, we can just imagine what it was 40,000 years ago.
[00:27:36]  But these patterns with the X over and over again.
[00:27:40]  The X in esoteric symbology generally, we see this over and over again.
[00:27:46]  Remember to look, you'll find the keys in relation very often in medieval literature, for example, alchemical texts, tarot cards.
[00:27:59]  The X's often show up as keys because the keys have this reference point.
[00:28:06]  They're showing you this is where you get to, and that's very Rosicrucian influence.
[00:28:11]  They often show the rose, the key, this is their keys to the kingdom type.
[00:28:18]  Imagery.
[00:28:19]  But what it's really saying is that there's a set of principles in nature and in humanity that is not accessible in the everyday run, and that the mystery schools have kind of preserved what that is.
[00:28:30]  And we've seen individuals come forward who, you know, according to different types of witness testimonies, have really given us accounts of people who are just incredible and have abilities that seem magical or would seem.
[00:28:47]  Beyond the norm.
[00:28:49]  Now, of course, we refer to people like Edgar Cayce or Gurdjieff or Steiner himself or the founder of theosophy, Helena Blavatsky, who apparently could manifest things, literal objects, before witnesses.
[00:29:03]  So there's some quality that these people have attained by working inside of the mystery schools.
[00:29:09]  They understand those other faculties that are latent inside of humanity, that are lying asleep and dormant in many of us.
[00:29:15]  And many of us are caught up in.
[00:29:18]  You know, a kind of demanding societal attention cycle.
[00:29:22]  And so we're moving from that when we go into look at these subjects into a totally different area where these mystery schools have kind of vouchsafed this material for us.
[00:29:34]  But right along with us looking at it, there are groups like the Central Intelligence Agency and like secret societies who deal with these subjects for their own political means and for their own objectives.
[00:29:48]  So, I'd say it's very important for us to get a handle on these things and to get past the questioning stage of is it real or not, and to start to figure out what it is, what its function is, what its history is.
[00:30:00]  And that's so much of what we do here on the Dark Journalist Show.
[00:30:02]  Does that make sense?
[00:30:04]  Good.
[00:30:05]  I'm always glad.
[00:30:06]  If Olivia says yes, we're good.
[00:30:09]  By the way, a lot of people in the audience have had doppelganger experiences.
[00:30:13]  I like it.
[00:30:13]  It's fascinating.
[00:30:14]  So I just want to invite anybody and everybody to share theirs if you've had one.
[00:30:19]  Olivia, was this Gigi or cult fan that gave us this one?
[00:30:23]  That's a good question.
[00:30:24]  I think it's Gigi.
[00:30:25]  No, I think she commented that.
[00:30:26]  I think that's a cult fan.
[00:30:27]  Okay, a cult fan.
[00:30:29]  This is very interesting.
[00:30:30]  I want to point this out before we get past our exes here.
[00:30:32]  This is obviously a resurrection, a symbol.
[00:30:35]  This is not in the Book of the Dead, but it's one of those ancient depictions there of this taking place.
[00:30:42]  And of course, we have this very unusual lion using the ex here, and they're involved in this afterlife scenario.
[00:30:51]  That ex over and over again showing up deep, deep.
[00:30:53]  In the heart of the Egyptian mysticism and the Egyptian mythology, referencing that when it comes to Osiris and his engagement with the underworld, we always see this ex showing up.
[00:31:07]  But sometimes we see the X being held in place, and it's almost like they're holding, for lack of a better term, demons in these kind of holding cells.
[00:31:18]  If you look at the Book of the Dead, and I've shown these before, and that X is there on them as if you're not going to let it out either.
[00:31:25]  So we're not going to let it out for good reasons, but you're not going to let it out for evil reasons.
[00:31:29]  Very, very interesting stuff.
[00:31:32]  And I can't get past the subject of the X steganography without mentioning Gurdjieff and his Enneagram work.
[00:31:43]  But what we're going to discover is that when we talk about doppelgangers and psychic doubles, Gurdjieff, Casey, Steiner, and Blavatsky all possess this ability, as did C.W. Ledbetter and Andy Bassand.
[00:32:01]  They had the ability, that is, to project their physical selves somewhere else.
[00:32:07]  It's a pretty good trick, but it has very deep significance, the ability itself.
[00:32:13]  And it represents their acknowledgement of another realm, another possibility.
[00:32:17]  And that's all through this psychic work that they were doing.
[00:32:23]  Now, when we come into this period of the mystery schools, we have a story about G.I. Gurdjieff, and we're going to start with him.
[00:32:34]  And this story is quite interesting.
[00:32:39]  I've always found it fascinating because it was given to us by P.D. Ospensky, who was a very.
[00:32:46]  He's a Russian philosopher, mathematician who was really grounded.
[00:32:50]  Yeah, no nonsense guy.
[00:32:52]  Definitely.
[00:32:52]  I mean, he actually, you know, I mean, Theosophy really wanted to make him their leader at a certain point.
[00:32:58]  And he would not go for the kind of high flying spiritualism, wild astral stories, and things that they had going on.
[00:33:06]  This gives you some idea of the groundedness of the man.
[00:33:09]  But he was very, very interested in the subject.
[00:33:12]  He'd been to the East, he'd worked with gurus, he'd seen those guys, the fakirs, lie down on the bed of nails.
[00:33:19]  And this was a kind of a regular experience for him.
[00:33:22]  He understood how powerful this work could be.
[00:33:26]  So, when he's working with Gurdjieff at a certain point, they reach a kind of an impasse and there's a lot of tension between them.
[00:33:35]  And oddly enough, he's taking a train back from Finland and he has this experience of Gurdjieff, who is his teacher, who's teaching this very unusual fourth way philosophy.
[00:33:49]  And I've covered there's an episode on Ospensky and on Gurdjieff in the series.
[00:33:53]  If you want to go back and check these people out, of course, many of you are very familiar with them.
[00:33:59]  And Ospensky has this experience of Gurdjieff appearing, projecting himself in his train right across from him, sitting across from him, and conversing with him at length.
[00:34:15]  So, you know, the name of the book is In Search of the Miraculous.
[00:34:17]  There's some miraculous things that happen there.
[00:34:19]  There's another scene in that book where he is seeing Gurdjieff off.
[00:34:23]  At a train, and a number of his students are there, and they all notice that Gurdjieff changes his appearance as he gets on the train.
[00:34:31]  So he turns to them, but as soon as he kind of is getting onto the train, his appearance completely changes.
[00:34:38]  And he references this in the book very much.
[00:34:41]  You have to understand something about In Search of the Miraculous, which is Ospensky's book about Gurdjieff and his years studying him, and then eventually studying on his own.
[00:34:51]  You know, it's very much like a A new series of articles, in a way.
[00:34:56]  It's his following this footsteps of working with Gurdjieff.
[00:35:00]  So, when this shows up, it's very unusual because the book is so grounded in facts about things that are happening, even though the understandings are fantastic.
[00:35:11]  There's not a lot of bizarre psychic or poltergeist activity or anything like that.
[00:35:18]  And then in the middle of this book, boom, Gurdjieff is doing dramatic things.
[00:35:23]  There's another story about this that I mentioned, which is J.G. Bennett, who's a student of Ospensky.
[00:35:30]  When Ospensky dies, he goes to work with Gurdjieff.

=== The Doppelganger Story (13:08) ===

[00:35:33]  And he says to Gurdjieff, What I really want to learn is astral projection.
[00:35:38]  And Gurdjieff says, I can give you a method to do that.
[00:35:40]  You can learn it in a day.
[00:35:42]  And Bennett says, Okay, I want to do it.
[00:35:45]  And he gives him this method.
[00:35:46]  He sits in a chair.
[00:35:47]  He says, Good, you know, sit in this room for three hours and you'll do it.
[00:35:50]  So nothing happens.
[00:35:51]  And he goes back to Gurdjieff and he says, What's the problem?
[00:35:53]  You know, what am I doing wrong?
[00:35:55]  And Gurdjieff said, Go back and try it again, basically.
[00:35:58]  So Bennett goes back into this room and tries this exercise that he gave him.
[00:36:03]  And, um, You know, Bennett, again, incredible credentials, mathematician, geologist.
[00:36:11]  I mean, just an incredible guy, philosopher, very grounded, not given to flights of fancy, except when he's around these guys, apparently.
[00:36:20]  And he begins to astrally project himself so that he can see his body looking down at it, sitting in the chair.
[00:36:27]  And then he notices that Gurdjieff comes in the room, looks at the body, his body sitting in the chair, and then looks up at his astral.
[00:36:36]  Self and sort of gives them a little, like, huh, you know, and then closes the door.
[00:36:40]  I guess you learned.
[00:36:41]  So these abilities, when you get on the mystery school level, become very common and they become almost something to be expected.
[00:36:50]  So they're not, they only seem special or extraordinary because we don't spend any time developing them, but they are there.
[00:36:59]  They are the abilities to bring them forward would be very much like stoning a musical instrument to bring something, some quality out of it.
[00:37:07]  And You know, I've read a number of Edgar Cayce readings where he talks about, and people come to him with questions, could I develop myself so that I could see things that are taking place in a different location?
[00:37:19]  And Cayce's answer very often is, absolutely, of course you could, but what would you develop it for?
[00:37:24]  What would be your reason for doing it?
[00:37:27]  You know, like basically, those readings aren't going to give him any advice on how to do it until they figure out what he's up to.
[00:37:33]  So we get some idea that when you get into the mystery school side, all this is very understood.
[00:37:38]  Projection, And the ability to be in two places at once and to actually take on physically characteristics.
[00:37:47]  For example, when Uspensky is conversing with Gurdjieff in this train car, it's like he's there.
[00:37:52]  They're having a normal conversation.
[00:37:55]  The interesting thing would have been did other people see him?
[00:37:57]  That's not mentioned in the book, but it is quite interesting.
[00:38:03]  Okay, I'm going to remind everyone like I said, it's a deep, deep episode that we're in here.
[00:38:08]  I'm going to remind everyone you're watching the Dark Journalist episode.
[00:38:12]  This is episode 45 about psychic doubles.
[00:38:16]  And spectral twins.
[00:38:18]  This astral double idea has been covered.
[00:38:21]  People tried to get deep into it.
[00:38:24]  And around the UFO issue, it really becomes interesting and I would say very essential to understand the phenomena that take place involving these things.
[00:38:34]  Let's go into a little bit of history.
[00:38:36]  And before we do, I'm going to give Olivia a chance to jump in here.
[00:38:40]  You would not believe how many stories there are of people who have doppelganger experiences that are fascinating.
[00:38:46]  This is really interesting to me.
[00:38:49]  I've heard quite a few in my own lifetime from people that I consider completely legitimate.
[00:38:55]  And this is a particularly interesting subject to me.
[00:38:58]  If you have something that you want to share and you feel like you want to go into some detail, send it to me at info at darkjournalist.com and I'll definitely want to read it.
[00:39:10]  Is there anything that stands out for you?
[00:39:11]  Yeah, there's tons of stuff.
[00:39:12]  Actually, Tricky Vicky has the best story.
[00:39:15]  I mean, so many of them.
[00:39:17]  So she started out my first doppelganger experience first, okay?
[00:39:21]  So there's many.
[00:39:22]  I was seven years old.
[00:39:23]  The other girl at school had my first name, and the first half of our last names were the same.
[00:39:28]  That's weird enough.
[00:39:29]  They pulled me out of the bus line, put me on the wrong bus.
[00:39:32]  It was kind of traumatic at the time.
[00:39:34]  They took me to a daycare after school program, and my poor grandmother had to send a cab to get me after she finally found me.
[00:39:42]  Then, as an adult, I went to a body shop to get an estimate on a fender bender fix.
[00:39:46]  They asked what else they could do for me.
[00:39:48]  They said I had just left.
[00:39:50]  And when they realized I was not the same person, they called the shop workers in to see.
[00:39:54]  I mean, like, how great.
[00:39:56]  And that's just one of the things.
[00:39:57]  Wow.
[00:39:59]  Tricky, Vicky.
[00:39:59]  That is amazing.
[00:40:01]  Very, very unusual.
[00:40:03]  You read a lot of this type of thing in the literature.
[00:40:06]  The question is, what is it exactly that's happening there?
[00:40:10]  Let's take a look at this painting.
[00:40:12]  This is from 1864, depicting a couple now meeting their doppelganger.
[00:40:19]  And this is Dante Gabriel Rossetti.
[00:40:22]  It's 1864.
[00:40:25]  And, you know, this term doppelganger from German meaning double goer.
[00:40:35]  Came into some parlance really in the 18th century, and we start to get some idea here.
[00:40:42]  What I want to point out about this picture and how this is going to be helpful is do you see the state that this woman is in?
[00:40:50]  Now, these are the doppelgangers with the weird glow around them, and these people are starting to fail in their presence.
[00:40:58]  This woman in particular is losing it, and this guy's getting very intense while this one is sort of coming under his spell a little bit.
[00:41:07]  But my own interpretation after reading the literature is that the doppelganger effect drains the individual that is being replicated.
[00:41:17]  So when this doppelganger shows up, the physical stamina of the person involved goes down, down, down.
[00:41:25]  And very interesting, some of the more kind of factual stories, the basic ones that come out of the 19th century about this, and there's quite a few, over and over again, the person loses vitality when this thing shows up.
[00:41:39]  Which I find very, very interesting.
[00:41:41]  And we're going to get into why that is.
[00:41:45]  And we're also going to get into the psychic double versus a psychic projection that is, an individual being projected psychically who is in a different location.
[00:41:59]  These things and this idea of projection, I think we have to get a handle exactly on what this is.
[00:42:06]  And just to kind of give it some of this.
[00:42:10]  Deeper recognition.
[00:42:11]  I want to take a look at a couple more photos about this.
[00:42:15]  Some of the early ideas, this one's from the Netherlands.
[00:42:18]  Again, this idea of supernatural twins or divine twins comes up over and over again.
[00:42:24]  And I think that, again, we're dealing with something that they understood very well at a certain point and that we lost the vocabulary for.
[00:42:33]  And so it showed up in our entertainment or in our fairy tales and things of this nature.
[00:42:38]  But I think it is quite important to kind of understand the function of what takes place.
[00:42:45]  Now, I want to go here for a minute to a regular.
[00:42:50]  Well, before I do that, actually, I'm going to show this particular case, which is very unusual.
[00:42:55]  It's in a Theosophical magazine from the 1890s called Banner of Light.
[00:43:03]  And I spent it's 16 pages of the story.
[00:43:07]  So it's no fly by night story.
[00:43:08]  And it turns out that the person who's contributing it is very, very deep into the subject and is deep.
[00:43:14]  On the Theosophical tip, so they really would have risked their reputation by putting this one out.
[00:43:19]  But it has to do with someone they call Mrs. A.
[00:43:22]  And Mrs. A has incredible psychic abilities, but she also has a tendency to fall into, you know, almost like an illness trance that she just jets out and she's almost in a coma and she comes back.
[00:43:38]  Now, this is a photo of Mrs. A, and they are in these, what they call, sort of revival tents.
[00:43:46]  And this is Christian worship.
[00:43:49]  She's going to church, essentially.
[00:43:51]  But she's very unusual there.
[00:43:53]  And a lot of the congregation always regards her, they know her well, and she's part of their congregation.
[00:43:59]  But they regard her as a little unusual because of her psychic ability, no question about it.
[00:44:03]  Now, the story goes that she becomes ill, and then there are all these people around the congregation who are taking care of her at her home.
[00:44:16]  Doppelganger version of her shows up.
[00:44:19]  And now I don't know if the idea was that they had her reenact what happened because the picture is too perfect, of course.
[00:44:28]  But this is the kind of doppelganger version of the same woman.
[00:44:33]  And they have a pretty detailed story, a very confusing narrative about how she's in one place over here receiving treatment from all these people that are with the congregation.
[00:44:44]  And this other woman shows up.
[00:44:46]  And interestingly enough, when this other woman shows up, She's not showing any great signs of recognition of the other people.
[00:44:55]  But it seems that the more that she shows up, the sicker the other person gets.
[00:45:00]  And this becomes very interesting when you study the literature of people going deep into Scandinavia, deep into Finland, deep into Sweden, and deep into Norway and studying some of their traditions and some of their myths, because this is rife throughout that.
[00:45:19]  Now, how all this would tie in, and that is.
[00:45:23]  That whole story, I'll take just a little bit of it here.
[00:45:30]  Okay, so Mrs. A, who lives in Baywater, fell ill.
[00:45:33]  She was subject to sudden fits, which used to seize her in the street, in the railway train, or on the bus.
[00:45:38]  Her sickness caused her friends considerable alarm, and she was urgently advised never to leave the house unaccompanied.
[00:45:46]  I saw her on October 7th or 8th.
[00:45:48]  Now, this woman who's giving this story writes for the Banner of Light on a regular basis.
[00:45:53]  So, if this was some kind of a hoax or something like that, she'd really be.
[00:45:56]  Output transcript Out because she'd already been there and writing for them.
[00:45:59]  So she's kind of a known commodity, which is what struck me interesting about this whole story.
[00:46:04]  It's so involved and so intricate.
[00:46:07]  So she said, She seemed wretchedly ill, but she told me that the previous Sunday night, October 6th, she'd been seized.
[00:46:14]  She did not know why or how, but she was seized with an almost uncontrollable desire to attend service in our church.
[00:46:22]  Promise me, she said, that you will not dream, promise me, I said, that you won't dream of any such mad trick of coming to the church.
[00:46:31]  You're hardly fit to cross the doorstep, and if you make the journey, you'd probably have a fit in church.
[00:46:36]  And a nice thing that would be.
[00:46:40]  Okay, so they go on and on.
[00:46:41]  Later on in the week, I heard she had tried to pay some calls in Oxford Street and had been taken so suddenly and violently ill that it was with difficulty she reached home.
[00:46:51]  On Sunday night, October 13th, during the singing of the first hymn, I saw a figure in black glide very rapidly down the aisle and take the same seat near the choir which Mrs. A had occupied on September 29th.
[00:47:04]  We sat in the front seat of the gallery.
[00:47:06]  Dear me, I thought, as I saw the back of the rapidly moving figure in deep mourning, how like that is of Mrs. A.
[00:47:16]  But of course, it cannot be.
[00:47:18]  She looks exactly like her, however.
[00:47:20]  Just then, she moved to enter the pew, and I recognized her in a moment.
[00:47:24]  Indeed, it was Mrs. A.
[00:47:26]  Now, the story goes on and on, but this very unusual story of Mrs. A, who, by the way, is a regular in these churches, and who, in the Banner of Light, they talk about, from the writer's point of view, she's known her for years.
[00:47:40]  So, this is a very unusual story, and it's not so much that I'm here to vouch for the story, as it were, but But it's more that the theme of this story is quite fascinating, which is there's this person that shows up in the same space, but her decorum, she's foreign in some way.
[00:48:03]  That is, she looks exactly the same, but she doesn't possess any of the personality traits.
[00:48:10]  She's not interacting with people, but she is showing up there.
[00:48:13]  It's very interesting when we get into looking at cases of the men in black, also.
[00:48:21]  The very unusual people who show up seem to be kind of astral shells of a normal human being.
[00:48:26]  And I think when we take a good look at what this is all about, we get some idea if we go back to the Theosophical tradition at looking at these astral doubles, what it is that's happening there, what the balance is, and how it is that these people are actually being utilized.

=== Astral Shells of Humans (06:26) ===

[00:48:42]  Now, this goes really deep because, on one hand, you're touching on a kind of a cosmology about psychic matters, supernatural belief.
[00:48:50]  But on the other hand, if you really thought of it, On a kind of a ground level of how the deep state would use a tactic and a technique to achieve a certain goal, then you start to put that together with the fact that they've admitted on record that they've exercised deep, deep study into psychic programs.
[00:49:09]  And some of that, remember, came out completely by accident in the 90s.
[00:49:15]  Then I think we can start to look at it and say, let's take another look at what they're up to and how we haven't been keeping up with the deep kind of study that they've been involved in and what's been going on in relation to this.
[00:49:27]  The person that I turn to on this the most is John Keel.
[00:49:36]  And before we get to John Keel, I want to also emphasize that in major cases involving political upheavals and all the rest of it, doubles are always used.
[00:49:49]  Whether it's the assassination that supposedly kicked off World War I, the Kennedy assassination, you know, those deep events, there's always double action.
[00:50:02]  It can't be avoided.
[00:50:03]  An interesting character who played for the CIA, Lee Harvey Oswald, is this character named Gordon Novell.
[00:50:12]  Now, oddly enough, when we look at Novell, it's very interesting because his later CIA career would have him getting into UFOs.
[00:50:21]  So there was something about his ability demonstrated in imitating Oswald, showing up and sort of causing trouble and pretending to be Oswald, that later he got rewarded with going out.
[00:50:32]  He got the UFO job and he was able to go out, and you'll see him, Gordon Novell.
[00:50:36]  Later life, talking about UFOs.
[00:50:37]  And he's passed away now, but he's a very, very interesting figure in all this and seems to be deep into that tip of psychic research that I put the likes of, like, Hal Putov and I put the likes of some of these other deep, deep players, Andrey Paharich, who also shows up in this study.
[00:50:56]  I want to show up another imitation Oswald that they caught before he actually got to do his thing.
[00:51:07]  This is Thomas Valley.
[00:51:09]  And Thomas Valley was also an ex Marine, and he had mental problems.
[00:51:13]  They had a whole story with him that was a little different than the defector story.
[00:51:17]  But he got stopped for a traffic ticket, and when they checked his trunk, they found all the weapons and all the rest of it.
[00:51:26]  And it just so happens that he was involved in one of these things, but he's very much like an Oswald character.
[00:51:33]  So, in intelligence parlance, they have something called a legend where they have people go out and act the role of a particular.
[00:51:41]  Person, but there is no such person.
[00:51:44]  Or if there is such a person, they're so different and they're in some little town somewhere while all these other people are running around wreaking havoc and pretending to be them.
[00:51:53]  In some of the very unusual school shooting cases, we have unusual witnesses that will pop up sometimes or people associated on the outskirts of a story and then suddenly they vanish.
[00:52:06]  You know, they're not involved.
[00:52:08]  In major stories involving something like 9 11, for example, You know, all these stories are tried out, and you know, they have this person who was heroically calling from the plane, and then later they're like, oh, they didn't have cell phones that could do that then, and then that person's story goes away.
[00:52:22]  So they are legends, they are cut out characters that are created as part of a story.
[00:52:29]  And that's one aspect of intelligence work.
[00:52:32]  But when you invite that type of intelligence work into the psychic realm, then you move a level deeper.
[00:52:41]  And we have to start to be able to look.
[00:52:43]  Without really just going into a fantasy about it or a paranoid delusion about it, what kind of techniques can they use if they have these types of abilities to create and project an astral double for intelligence purposes?
[00:52:59]  Yes, Miss Olivia.
[00:53:00]  Kontiki Man is asking, why is the doppelganger mostly the evil twin?
[00:53:04]  Don't quite understand the need for an opposite.
[00:53:06]  It's not always an opposite, right?
[00:53:08]  No, but I do feel that we understand it very much as an opposite.
[00:53:12]  It seems to be that.
[00:53:15]  There is something about this dark light side, and the idea that I think what we need to do is separate what an astral specter is someone being able to project themselves somewhere.
[00:53:30]  You know, I see Gigi Young out there.
[00:53:31]  I'm sure she's done this many times.
[00:53:34]  But that's somebody who can project themselves somewhere.
[00:53:37]  They can actually show up and be visible somewhere.
[00:53:40]  Right.
[00:53:41]  Padre Pio.
[00:53:42]  What is it?
[00:53:43]  Padre Pio, who is a saint, was known to bilocate.
[00:53:46]  Yes.
[00:53:47]  Bilocate is that's the next.
[00:53:49]  Piece of this we're going to get to.
[00:53:52]  Someone else, though, who is attempting, this is a very interesting quality.
[00:53:58]  Someone who can project like that, but then can also change their appearance, is a very special quality.
[00:54:06]  And over and over again, the abilities like that I've found come into this story of the Sami shamans, the Laplander people, and their ancient heritage of doing this.
[00:54:20]  And, you know, we've touched on this in some of the X Protect shows.
[00:54:24]  About how the Sami Laplanders were used potentially to, for utilized by the government for these incredible psychic abilities that they have, and that there's a history that goes back in that part of the world of using them just for that purpose.
[00:54:41]  And very often it's a very intimidating situation.
[00:54:45]  And we know that, like with many other indigenous people, there's a real story on the ground with them too about fighting for survival.
[00:54:54]  All the rest of it, and the incredible heritage of the Sami.
[00:54:57]  That's not what I'm getting at.
[00:54:58]  What I'm getting at is that they may have been utilized as a resource for their shamanistic qualities, and that I think that we can get really deep on that particular end tonight.

=== Psychic Projections in West Virginia (07:52) ===

[00:55:09]  I'm going to remind everyone that you're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
[00:55:12]  We're going deep on psychic doubles and the CIA utilization of these spectral twins to achieve certain types of objectives on information and power.
[00:55:28]  It's great to have so many people here tonight for this one.
[00:55:31]  This is a particularly special one.
[00:55:33]  And like I said, it's the stuff that dreams are made of because we have to go a little bit deeper than just a mere historical survey of information.
[00:55:41]  We're going to have to kind of take on the understanding of who could be using these types of things.
[00:55:46]  And I want to turn to two figures in journalism who did, and Kiel in particular, who we're going to start with now.
[00:55:54]  Kiel's one of my favorites because there's so much you can learn from his book.
[00:55:58]  This is him in New York in 1968.
[00:56:02]  Of course, in tracking the Mothman prophecy's case, he came to prominence because they made a movie about it.
[00:56:08]  And he had the best selling book on it a couple of decades earlier.
[00:56:13]  So he had that kind of reputation of really going in and getting the story.
[00:56:18]  But he claimed in his work, as we're going to see some real good quotes here, there's a fantastic book that he put together called Disneyland of the Gods.
[00:56:28]  Highly recommend this book.
[00:56:29]  And the material in it, I think, Gives a reporter's view of having dealt up close with these kind of supernatural specters, which is quite remarkable because, you know, Keel is somebody who's undoubtedly one of the most honest straight up reporters and had a reputation like that for four decades.
[00:56:53]  What he wanted was a kind of New York Times approach, classically, in kind of moving into this whole.
[00:57:03]  Territory.
[00:57:04]  And he wanted to say, let's look at UFOs, let's look at men in black, let's look at these unusual things from a real journalistic point of view.
[00:57:12]  And I think he got away with it in his own books.
[00:57:14]  And I think his information set the tone for real caliber in this field.
[00:57:21]  So let's look at what he has to say here in relation to this.
[00:57:26]  Quote Now, this is from the book I just mentioned Disneyland of the Gods.
[00:57:31]  Several of the early contactees in the 50s enraged the scientific ufologists.
[00:57:36]  With their tales of having been required to express their manhood on other planets while flying around in saucers.
[00:57:44]  The hybrid concept has a marked effect on the ufologists who accept it blindly.
[00:57:49]  They become totally paranoid.
[00:57:52]  They believe that hybrids have infiltrated the highest government circles, that they are even running our world.
[00:57:57]  In the 1960s, Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara was frequently accused by contactees of being a hybrid.
[00:58:05]  I found that very interesting.
[00:58:06]  I had not heard that before.
[00:58:08]  But of course, it's quite fascinating.
[00:58:10]  A related story is the clone rumor.
[00:58:13]  A clone is an exact duplicate of a living organism.
[00:58:16]  Theoretically, a clone can be manufactured from a single cell of your body.
[00:58:20]  Each cell contains all the necessary biological information to construct a duplicate.
[00:58:25]  Scientists around the world have been working on this process for years.
[00:58:29]  Several modern contactees told how they were taken aboard a UFO and a small sample of their skin was scraped from their arm.
[00:58:35]  We've heard this story over and over again.
[00:58:38]  And you have to wonder what are those tests all about, really?
[00:58:42]  You know, there was such a craze when they commercialized this in the 90s and the early 2000s with TV shows and movies and all the rest of it.
[00:58:50]  But now that that's all gone, what was it all about?
[00:58:54]  Exactly.
[00:58:54]  And I think that's what he was getting at.
[00:58:57]  So he's touched on clones here and he's touched on how some contactees looked at government officials and said, hey, they're actually clones or hybrids.
[00:59:07]  But now he gets to the good stuff.
[00:59:10]  He says, exact duplicates of several well known ufologists have been seen by reliable witnesses.
[00:59:17]  In occult lore, such duplicates are called doppelgangers.
[00:59:22]  They are an age old psychic phenomenon.
[00:59:24]  In the 1960s, a doppelganger of New York ufologist James Mosley turned up at a number of occasions.
[00:59:31]  And a doppelganger of yours truly, John Keel, appeared repeatedly in several states.
[00:59:38]  Now, I'll tell you what's interesting from Long Island, New York to West Virginia.
[00:59:43]  And those stories are so interesting because very often the doppelgangers will call him.
[00:59:52]  And this is some of the weirdness that goes on in the Mothman Prophecies movie, if you've seen it.
[00:59:56]  But when he goes to investigate the incredible wave of UFO sightings in West Virginia, he starts getting calls from these men in black characters.
[01:00:05]  And eventually, when he starts showing up at these places, they say, You've already been here.
[01:00:09]  You've already investigated it.
[01:00:11]  Or shortly after he leaves an investigation, someone else will show up and they'll say, Oh, you know, when you were here yesterday.
[01:00:17]  And he will say, Well, I wasn't there.
[01:00:19]  Who was that?
[01:00:20]  So this is quite unusual.
[01:00:23]  But let's go a little bit deeper with how he's looking at this.
[01:00:27]  Now he said, these doubles appeared repeatedly in several states from Long Island, New York to West Virginia while I was actually occupied elsewhere.
[01:00:36]  Were these characters clones, physical entities made of solid flesh, or were they psychic projections of some sort?
[01:00:42]  Excellent surmise there at the end.
[01:00:46]  Now he's getting to it, which is what exactly is going on?
[01:00:49]  Of course, cloning is a dramatic process, and somebody having a clone, you know, there's been so many things bandied about the alternative community about Obama's clone and all the rest of it.
[01:00:58]  Now we know that political figures use doubles.
[01:01:00]  That's always been done.
[01:01:02]  Any presidential figure, senators, they all have doubles.
[01:01:06]  Because at sporting events or whatever, in case someone targets them, they want them to go out there and be able to do it.
[01:01:11]  There's an incredible story about LBJ's clone and some unusual things about him.
[01:01:16]  JFK had a clone.
[01:01:17]  Eisenhower had a clone.
[01:01:20]  But these are doubles.
[01:01:22]  These are actual doubles used for political purposes to divert danger away.
[01:01:29]  So, you know, very often we talk about this.
[01:01:32]  We see it more and more, though, because You remember during the election, we had a kind of a sick person running, literally and figuratively, for president in Hillary Clinton.
[01:01:46]  And she would show up at events sometimes and she would almost fall over and she had all these issues.
[01:01:52]  And then once in a while, you see her snapping down the street and she had this incredible vibrance to her.
[01:01:58]  And so, this thing about a clone about Clinton came up.
[01:02:01]  But that doesn't have to be any kind of psychic projection or physical clone, it literally can be a political double.
[01:02:07]  That they use for certain situations.
[01:02:09]  They all have them, so that's on record.
[01:02:11]  There's nothing supernatural about that.
[01:02:13]  What we want is what he's getting at here, which is who's showing up after he shows up to these UFO encounters as him or as the men in black.
[01:02:24]  These are the psychic projections.
[01:02:26]  And what is the agency that operates those psychic projections that are so unusual?
[01:02:31]  And that's where we get the whole lore around the men in black.
[01:02:33]  Now, I've called that agency X Protect, and I think we can demonstrate how it works as we keep going here.
[01:02:38]  I'll remind you you're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
[01:02:41]  It's a fantastic crowd tonight and a very deep audience.
[01:02:45]  And special subject that I think is particularly important when you get into the types of research that we're doing.
[01:02:53]  Yes, Miss Olivia.
[01:02:54]  You know, I think there's a temptation to try to figure it all out, right?

=== Men in Black Lore (13:27) ===

[01:03:01]  As if there is an ultimate answer.
[01:03:03]  All we're left with at the end of this episode to tell you, we're just going to be left with a bunch of questions.
[01:03:08]  This is, but they're good, juicy questions.
[01:03:10]  I see.
[01:03:11]  And I think we're up to the challenge.
[01:03:12]  Yeah, no, it's a good point, which is.
[01:03:16]  Well, we're going to get damn close.
[01:03:19]  I'm going to put it to you that way.
[01:03:20]  But it is a good point that even in Kiel's work, there's four decades of searching.
[01:03:27]  And there's so much in the search, and there's so much information in that search.
[01:03:33]  So that's really what we're going to be after here tonight.
[01:03:36]  So let's go a little further with Kiel, who I think, like I said, is really one of the best.
[01:03:43]  Several years ago, a young Englishman came to me with some very interesting photographs.
[01:03:47]  He had attended an outdoor rally in Britain and had snapped pictures of the crowd.
[01:03:51]  When he examined the photos later, he was surprised to see two strange looking men standing in the crowd.
[01:03:56]  They were not together, but were widely separated in the crowd.
[01:03:59]  Both were dressed identically in black turtleneck sweaters.
[01:04:03]  Both had very short hair, unusual for the time and for men of their apparent age.
[01:04:08]  Oddest of all, both had facial characteristics that were identical.
[01:04:13]  They looked like identical twins.
[01:04:16]  They had high cheekbones, angular faces, and thin lips.
[01:04:18]  They really stood out in the photograph.
[01:04:21]  Similar beings form an integral part of our Men in Black lore.
[01:04:25]  Now, remember, John Keel, along with Frank Edwards, they are Mr. Men in Black.
[01:04:30]  They're the ones who brought the subject forward.
[01:04:32]  They're the ones who interviewed the witnesses.
[01:04:33]  They know.
[01:04:34]  So, this is before the sensationalism.
[01:04:38]  Say, what year was that movie, Olivia?
[01:04:41]  Which one?
[01:04:42]  The Men in Black movie.
[01:04:43]  Oh, my God.
[01:04:44]  I don't know.
[01:04:45]  The Tommy Lee Jones and all that?
[01:04:46]  Okay.
[01:04:50]  Let's say that's like 1996.
[01:04:53]  So, this is.
[01:04:55]  66, 30 years earlier, where he's investigating these.
[01:04:58]  So, Keel is very, very deep in the real thing.
[01:05:01]  Let's keep that in mind.
[01:05:05]  So, they form an integral part of the Men in Black story.
[01:05:07]  These Men in Black have even attended Flying Saucer lectures and conferences.
[01:05:11]  In some reports, there have been three of them all looking exactly alike.
[01:05:17]  Today, there are many people who've become convinced that they themselves really are hybrids.
[01:05:22]  A number of contactees, some of them quite well known, started life as orphans.
[01:05:26]  And never learned the identity of their true parents.
[01:05:29]  It's quite unusual.
[01:05:30]  And again, I love Kiel's observations on the ground before the subject got glossed over with a number of things.
[01:05:36]  He's saying a number of contactees started life as orphans.
[01:05:39]  That's an interesting angle for us to look at.
[01:05:44]  He says, well, Lee Harvey Oswald came from an orphanage.
[01:05:49]  Some contactees have been seen in places where they had never been.
[01:05:55]  How the quote, scientific ufologist ranted and railed.
[01:05:58]  Against Howard Menger when he told stories of doppelgangers and teleportation.
[01:06:03]  Some contactees have lived in terror for years, fearing they were going to be whisked off to some farm or other planet and bred like cattle.
[01:06:13]  It's very interesting and hard for us to put ourselves in the shoes of somebody who's gone through an experience like that or kind of a fear that is.
[01:06:20]  It's like you start living almost on another planet.
[01:06:23]  Are there really hybrids and clones living among us?
[01:06:26]  If there are, I've never personally met one, but I've met a lot of peculiar people.
[01:06:30]  Perhaps you lost a few minutes of time when you saw a weird object in the sky a few years ago.
[01:06:34]  Perhaps there's another you out there somewhere.
[01:06:37]  Always has a dry sense of humor, and it's always very interesting.
[01:06:42]  Okay, now he talks in here in the esoteric parlance of the intelligence community, a sleeper is a spy who is kept deliberately inactive for years while living in deep cover.
[01:06:53]  He or she remains on the payroll but doesn't do any actual spying until finally, sometimes years after entering the intelligence service, the organization has a special need.
[01:07:03]  Now I'm going to skip the general setup there.
[01:07:07]  He tries to apply this template from the intelligence agencies.
[01:07:11]  And again, this is a very edgy thing to do.
[01:07:13]  And we're kind of doing that ourselves tonight, which is implying the intelligence template onto a supernatural or fantastic subject, like UFOs or like psychic phenomena.
[01:07:25]  Like all contactees, such sleepers have two important characteristics they have latent or active psychic abilities, and they're also very suggestible.
[01:07:34]  Let's remember our history here Edgar Cayce was very suggestible.
[01:07:37]  It was actually a hypnosis.
[01:07:41]  It was a hypnotist that originally got him into this state of being able to give readings, and eventually he would do it through a self-hypnosis.
[01:07:52]  Let's remember the work that we brought forward on this program relating to mesmerism and the experiments with Paisagur, who was a follower of mesmer, and how he was going beyond hypnosis to actually asking a question in his own mind and having the person in their trance answer it.
[01:08:11]  That's a different level.
[01:08:12]  That's why hypnosis got shut off because you're going very, very deep there.
[01:08:15]  Somewhere, those people continued that research, but in traditional psychology, you got to, you know, tell me all about your childhood thing.
[01:08:25]  Very, very different.
[01:08:28]  Let's go a little further with Kiel, and then we're going to switch to Claude LeContour.
[01:08:37]  And Claude is interesting because he's a scholar, but he's studying the same thing that Kiel is studying as a reporter.
[01:08:43]  And when we get some balance between these two perspectives, we're going to get very deep.
[01:08:50]  The human mind is such that layers can be laid in the unconscious mind.
[01:08:54]  The confabulation fills the uppermost layer while memories of the sensory impressions of the actual experience are hidden in a deeper layer.
[01:09:01]  An inexperienced investigator using hypnosis reaches only the surface confabulation and does not even attempt to reach the layers below.
[01:09:10]  Once the amateur has brought the confabulation to the surface, the hidden layer is buried deeper than ever and becomes almost impossible to reach.
[01:09:17]  It's an excellent point.
[01:09:19]  Another thing that he says here.
[01:09:21]  Is that in the cases of contactees, they are often hypnotized.
[01:09:29]  He says, I've examined contactees who were keyed to fall into trance when they saw certain written symbols, usually a Greek letter or a combination of Greek letters.
[01:09:40]  They believe they had seen these letters painted on the side of a spacecraft.
[01:09:44]  It is more probably with some of them that the letters were shown to them and they were given a post hypnotic suggestion.
[01:09:52]  Along with the surface confabulation of a spacecraft.
[01:09:55]  Now, this is very interesting what he's getting into there.
[01:09:58]  He's saying some of these cases are, their memories are being messed with.
[01:10:04]  So he goes deeper into it and he's starting to look at how they create these men in black situations to come out and how when the men in black come out to discredit a UFO case or to intimidate a UFO witness, they have unusual characteristics.
[01:10:24]  That is, they always seem to be incredibly focused.
[01:10:30]  But they speak in slow motion, and it almost seems like they're expending a tremendous amount of energy just to be there.
[01:10:36]  And their presence is very unusual.
[01:10:38]  And in every case, the people who see them, their own vitality goes down.
[01:10:44]  So I think that's quite important because, as we'll see in these doppelganger cases as we go back through, that's the same thing that happens.
[01:10:54]  The vitality goes up.
[01:10:56]  Remember the picture that we started with?
[01:10:58]  Quite unusual.
[01:10:59]  Let's keep that picture in mind.
[01:11:01]  It seems like they knew something.
[01:11:03]  After all, Remember, the people who are encountering the doppelgangers, the doppelgangers look hunky dory over here, but the people seeing them, you could say that's shock, but maybe they're also demonstrating incredible exhaustion and drain from being in the presence of these doppelgangers.
[01:11:24]  Now, the idea of a psychic double, again, is a little bit different than someone just projecting themselves psychically.
[01:11:32]  That's one kind of a drain.
[01:11:33]  But if I have to project myself psychically and Shift myself into a different appearance, you can imagine what's taking place there.
[01:11:42]  So it's an incredible expenditure of energy that's taking place.
[01:11:46]  Yeah.
[01:11:47]  I don't know if anybody in the audience saw the last Star Wars movie, but you know, that kind of finished Luke off very powerfully.
[01:11:54]  Cried my guts out, but it was a great scene of his bilocating.
[01:12:00]  Well, you're always going to cry your guts out in any Star Wars movie, but preferably the first three.
[01:12:05]  Absolutely.
[01:12:07]  So, Kiel was giving us the hint that the men in black aspect is related to somebody projecting something rather than them being there normally in flesh and blood because their presence was too unusual and that they didn't seem human by any stretch of the imagination, that they were so strange that it was almost like they came from a different dimension.
[01:12:29]  Now, I do want to say also that, and I brought this up before about Dan Aykroyd who encountered the men in black, and this was not.
[01:12:38]  You know, him just kind of playing the PR card.
[01:12:42]  He was genuinely disturbed about this because he had started a UFO show for the Sci Fi Channel.
[01:12:47]  And after making a few episodes, they canceled it on him.
[01:12:50]  And he had this encounter where he saw these men in black and he felt that their presence was very intimidating.
[01:12:56]  And then going a little bit further, he said that they disappeared.
[01:13:01]  So they were using this kind of quick invisibility that we talked about.
[01:13:06]  And remember, you know, now it's a fact that.
[01:13:10]  In the Pentagon study that we cited at the beginning, what were they studying?
[01:13:15]  Invisibility, cloaking.
[01:13:17]  So, invisibility and cloaking, remember, takes on a technological aspect, but if you can achieve it through advanced psychic study, for example, so much the better.
[01:13:31]  I mean, it's whatever technique they're going to use, they're going to get the same objective.
[01:13:35]  Let's look at a very unusual story, set of stories about these Sami.
[01:13:42]  People, the Sami shamans, and this tradition that they have of incredible astral projection, and how this might have been utilized, in my own estimation, may have been utilized by our own intelligence agencies.
[01:13:57]  Again, this episode focusing in on how something as sort of supernatural as a psychic double can be utilized by a deep state agency like the CIA.
[01:14:08]  We're going to have to dance between both those worlds to kind of get a handle on what's going on.
[01:14:11]  The book is quite fascinating.
[01:14:14]  Claude Likatu, it is Witches, Werewolves, Fairies, Shapeshifters, and Astral Doubles in the Middle Ages.
[01:14:23]  This is a fantastic book, and I'm going to cite the relevant sections.
[01:14:28]  Here, but I think just a fantastic writer.
[01:14:31]  And the book was written around 2003.
[01:14:34]  I don't know if the author is still alive, he was already quite elderly.
[01:14:38]  But I want to mention here that there was a series of books and a group of activity that I was familiar with.
[01:14:46]  And the group came out of Cyprus and were called Arevna.
[01:14:51]  And I met many of their members going back over a decade ago now.
[01:14:54]  And they claimed the ability to.
[01:14:58]  Have this exomatosis happen.
[01:15:00]  That is basically they could astronomically project anywhere.
[01:15:03]  And the person who had taught them this was a very unusual mystic named Doskalos.
[01:15:09]  And Doskalos was a kind of a controversial figure in Cyprus.
[01:15:13]  And, you know, the monks at Mount Athos regarded him as kind of a black magician.
[01:15:19]  But Arevna, you know, he claimed to be coming from a light source.
[01:15:25]  And Arevna, the group, it seemed to me what they were up to was.
[01:15:32]  To study methods, psychic methods.
[01:15:35]  And so there's a Greek author, Kyriakos Markides, who did a series of three books on them.
[01:15:40]  And that book goes into a lot of the occasions of supernatural activity that take place in those books are about exomatosis, which is exactly what he's referring to here.
[01:15:53]  So from his book now, and this chapter is called Professional Ecstatics Quote Not all men know that they have a second self, and not all master the technique of liberating it.
[01:16:06]  At will.
[01:16:07]  While the doubles of some individuals leave the body through sleep or illness and roam where they please, either on their own initiative or to answer a request, those other individuals have as their function the task of fulfilling missions that a person or the community sets for their possessors due to the control they exercise over their own alter egos.

=== Ancient Traditions and Roots (10:00) ===

[01:16:28]  That is, somebody sets, you know, instead of somebody just going on this interesting astral trip, somebody sets them up to go.
[01:16:35]  It's actually an organized thing.
[01:16:37]  These people are professional ecstatics who know how to break the ties that bind the body and the double.
[01:16:46]  They can leap out of their skin.
[01:16:49]  And he uses the Norse term Springer of Moai or Springer of Harmai out of their spirit.
[01:16:59]  So say the Norse sagas.
[01:17:00]  And this is his area of expertise.
[01:17:03]  And this is how we get into these Laplander stories.
[01:17:07]  An example can be found in the saga of Lake Vale Chiefs, in which it is told how Ingemund, having lost his amulet, asks three Laplanders, Finnish, to find it for him.
[01:17:23]  And he quotes from the story Ingemund sent for the Laplanders, and there came from the north.
[01:17:30]  Actually, I'm going to kind of get to the good stuff here.
[01:17:35]  Okay.
[01:17:36]  Okay.
[01:17:41]  Okay, Engelmann sent for the Laplanders, and there came from the north three of them.
[01:17:44]  He said that he wanted to make a deal with them.
[01:17:46]  This is very interesting, too, because there's always three men in black clothes when they show up, also.
[01:17:51]  So it's quite interesting.
[01:17:53]  He said that he wanted to make a deal with them.
[01:17:55]  I will give you butter and pewter, which are very valuable in that part of the world at that time, and you will journey to Iceland to look for my amulet and to report to me the nature of that country.
[01:18:08]  Now, when he says you will journey for me, he's saying you will spirit journey.
[01:18:11]  You'll go over there and take a look for me and come back.
[01:18:13]  You'll remote view it, basically.
[01:18:16]  They replied, That is a dangerous mission for young Samis.
[01:18:20]  But since you're urging us to do so, we want to try.
[01:18:23]  Now, we must close ourselves up alone inside a house, and our name must not be uttered.
[01:18:30]  And this is what was done.
[01:18:31]  When three nights had passed, Ingemann came to them.
[01:18:34]  Then they arose, sighed deeply, and said, We had some difficulties and we had much work to accomplish.
[01:18:39]  Nevertheless, we've returned with information that will allow you to recognize the country if you go there, but we had much trouble looking for this amulet.
[01:18:48]  So then he cites a couple of things about this story.
[01:18:51]  He says, Notice this the Laplanders isolate themselves.
[01:18:55]  One, two, they forbid others to talk to them.
[01:18:58]  Three, they sigh deeply when they return to themselves.
[01:19:07]  Now he says, from here they proceed to describe the journey of their doubles, the journey their doubles undertook while their bodies were sheltered in the house.
[01:19:17]  Here they are able to emit their alter egos because they are Sami magicians, lappish.
[01:19:26]  Those northern lands were renowned in the Middle Ages for their magi, whom the Christians called sorcerers.
[01:19:33]  We should notice particularly.
[01:19:35]  These details from their story that they isolated themselves.
[01:19:38]  So, this is really interesting, and I want to kind of bring it around.
[01:19:41]  Again, the legend around the Sami people, the ancient Laplanders, they have this ability to project themselves, to go on journeys, and actually show up in these different places and look for things, survey, etc.
[01:19:56]  So, that's a certain type of remote viewing.
[01:19:58]  Now, the reason that this is so important is because, as I've pointed out on the X Protect shows, the What happened with the men in black in Kiel's research is that he got confused.
[01:20:14]  He said, It seemed to me everyone was saying that they looked sort of Asian, but he wasn't happy with that because when he would show them someone of Chinese or Japanese descent, they wouldn't go for it.
[01:20:28]  So he was trying to figure it out.
[01:20:30]  He said, You know, would that be an Eskimo, you know, Hawaiian?
[01:20:33]  What do I have to do to show this?
[01:20:36]  So he decided to put together a series of different racial characteristics.
[01:20:41]  Photographs, and he said that in a hundred percent of the cases, the person that they stopped on over and over again as a man in black, the way that they presented themselves, was this Sami Laplander woman, indigenous woman.
[01:21:00]  Now, he said that it was all of the cases and that they all pointed to this person, which means that the men in black look exactly like this woman, according to the witnesses, except they're dressed in black clothing.
[01:21:15]  And they have very unusual characteristics, as we've discussed.
[01:21:20]  And also, they tend to drain their host.
[01:21:24]  Now, the Sami people themselves are quite an interesting and rich tradition of shamanism.
[01:21:33]  And, you know, they were definitely off to themselves.
[01:21:37]  They were not, you know, under kind of Christian rule.
[01:21:43]  And they definitely.
[01:21:47]  Because of the way that they were set up, they weren't really being accessed by the regular society for a long time.
[01:21:55]  So, regular industrial society moved on and on.
[01:21:59]  And finally, you know, there was a situation where our modern society kind of impinged on these indigenous people.
[01:22:08]  But their traditions were deep and they were known, as we've discussed before in Russia, they were known and they were sought after for.
[01:22:19]  Their deep, deep magic.
[01:22:21]  But their sorcery was exceptional.
[01:22:23]  And when we start to look at these stories involving the men in black and what they're trying to do, they're trying to get these witnesses to not say anything about these particular incidents, but they're also kind of mind working them.
[01:22:37]  The people feel like they're almost falling into a trance.
[01:22:40]  It doesn't seem like something just some government agent can do by showing up.
[01:22:44]  They had to have some special qualities, some extra abilities.
[01:22:49]  And if people have identified them as these.
[01:22:53]  Sami Laplanders, if that was the one that grabbed their attention the most, then we have to look at that possibility that at some point there was some exchange going on between intelligence agencies using these people with their particular abilities.
[01:23:11]  Only the deep shamanistic people, I mean, the mass culture itself of the Sami people, that's a whole different story.
[01:23:18]  But they would find these people who were rooted in that indigenous culture, in that indigenous tradition.
[01:23:23]  The question is, Like in the Middle Ages, were they recruited to do these particular tasks?
[01:23:30]  And I think that we start to get a handle on it when we look at Kiel's work in relation to our friend here, who's looking at it from, again, another angle, a more scholarly angle of seeing what's going on.
[01:23:42]  So, yes, Miss Olivia.
[01:23:43]  Johan Wolf says because the Sami have a lot of the third root race still in their mix, and third still had active third eyes.
[01:23:51]  Some Norse legends trace to third root race, but mainly fourth Atlanteans.
[01:23:56]  Anything to say on that?
[01:23:57]  Absolutely fascinating.
[01:23:58]  My question for you would be how do you suppose and where would you get that they still are connected with the third root race?
[01:24:06]  Where is that coming from?
[01:24:07]  But that's a very interesting thing to enter in here because there is a combination of factors.
[01:24:12]  When theosophy and anthroposophy and those mystery schools look at these different groups of root races, they say the Atlanteans were the third root race and they had amazing abilities that were beyond our understanding.
[01:24:27]  By the time you get into the fourth root race and the fifth root race and the sixth root race is coming, you know, so getting into this idea of root races comes directly out of that, that we get to a certain point where the race transforms.
[01:24:38]  That is the race of humanity.
[01:24:40]  It's not once any single group.
[01:24:43]  But it is interesting because, you know, I'm interested to hear more about that idea.
[01:24:47]  I do, just on a lark, want to show everyone this strange doppelganger replicated effect that took place in my software today when I was taking a picture of a.
[01:25:00]  Laplander shield, shaman shield for going into trance.
[01:25:03]  Of course, the X is replete in here.
[01:25:08]  This is a very unusual shield.
[01:25:11]  And I think, you know, they really understand fundamentally using this to go into trance, and it is a magical device.
[01:25:23]  I like how the X's also don't play, they're not in the center.
[01:25:27]  It's almost like there's some kind of freelance role.
[01:25:31]  Associated with these X's.
[01:25:34]  That is in the mystery school symbology, the X forming the crux in certain types of traditions, meaning you have an allegiance to keep this information secret.
[01:25:44]  And what's interesting is when I see these X's, of course, it's a sort of on the fly interpretation, but I get a kind of a freelance thing that they understand the material, but they're not bound by it in their ancient traditions.
[01:25:56]  But as I was doing it, lo and behold, through the software, this happened over and over again.
[01:26:02]  This unusual doppelganger of.
[01:26:06]  The actual shield, Olivia.
[01:26:09]  That's the one.
[01:26:11]  And it happened four times.
[01:26:12]  It was absurd.
[01:26:13]  Every time I went to do it, it wouldn't just come up with this.
[01:26:17]  We had to go through this whole thing about this other weird shadow.
[01:26:23]  So let's just say that, you know, the gods have a sense of humor.
[01:26:27]  But I do find it interesting.

=== The Hermit's Wife Visit (03:36) ===

[01:26:29]  And I think that there are certain topics that when you start to touch upon them, things go into a different zone.
[01:26:37]  You can definitely feel a shift energetically.
[01:26:40]  And it becomes a different type of an experience.
[01:26:43]  You know, it's almost like you have to set yourself into a different mode to even understand what's going on here.
[01:26:49]  But these people certainly are trying.
[01:26:51]  So, Kiel and Le Cateau can try, then I'll give it a shot also.
[01:26:57]  Now, this story is quite fascinating and gets us into this idea of somebody being able to project themselves in this fashion.
[01:27:06]  It's another story that Le Cateau quotes.
[01:27:12]  And he says, It happened now, turn of the century, about 1900.
[01:27:17]  It happened that a captain had set sail for Africa and Europe.
[01:27:19]  He had promised his wife, who was staying in Philadelphia, that he would be back after a certain amount of time and that he would write her often.
[01:27:27]  She waited for these letters, which never came.
[01:27:29]  The specified amount of time passed, and her dear husband did not return.
[01:27:35]  That's interesting.
[01:27:38]  She was overcome with sorrow and did not know what to do.
[01:27:41]  One of her friends advised her to visit the good hermit.
[01:27:44]  Telling him of her torment, and she followed this advice.
[01:27:47]  Now, earlier in the story, they set up that there's this unusual hermit living outside of Philadelphia who is, you know, he's from these faraway lands like Netherlands.
[01:27:56]  We don't know if he was Sami or not, but he's this kind of unusual foreign hermit.
[01:28:04]  So she followed the advice.
[01:28:06]  When she had told this man everything about the husband not showing up and not sending the letters, he asked her to wait a moment until he came back with an answer to her question.
[01:28:16]  She sat down and waited.
[01:28:18]  The man opened a door and slipped into his workroom.
[01:28:21]  After he had been absent for a long time, the woman stood, went up to the spy hole of the door to see what he was up to.
[01:28:29]  She looked in.
[01:28:30]  The man was lying on a sofa as though dead.
[01:28:33]  She was completely out, in a very, very deep trance state.
[01:28:38]  She went back hastily to her seat.
[01:28:40]  Finally, the man returned and told her that her husband was in London at a cafe and that he would be coming back soon.
[01:28:46]  Then he named for her the reasons that had kept him from writing her.
[01:28:51]  Calmed, the woman went home.
[01:28:53]  What the woman, what the hermit had told her would happen, occurred at the exact time indicated.
[01:28:58]  The woman's husband came back, and the causes of his delay and his silence were exactly those named by this good man.
[01:29:06]  The woman was eager to find out what would happen if she visited the hermit with her husband.
[01:29:11]  They arrived at the man's house, but when the captain saw him, he was frightened.
[01:29:16]  Soon after, he told his wife that he had seen this man in London in a cafe on such and such a day.
[01:29:22]  It was the day the lady had visited the hermit.
[01:29:24]  And that the man had told him that his wife was very worried about him.
[01:29:29]  He had given the stranger both the reasons his trip had been delayed and the explanations for why he had not written, adding that he was going to be returning home soon.
[01:29:39]  This man, the hermit, then disappeared.
[01:29:43]  So it spooked the husband, and here he was in the flesh.
[01:29:46]  Now, I go back to the weird Dan Aykroyd story of the man in black disappearing for him.
[01:29:52]  And here we have the story of this person projecting themselves, being helpful to this woman, finds the husband.
[01:29:59]  Psychically locates him and then bilocates himself to go there and ask him these questions and come back.

=== Intelligence Agency Alliances (14:31) ===

[01:30:06]  But when he shows up, the husband just recognizes him as an ordinary person.
[01:30:10]  And then when the husband sees him, this captain meets this hermit, he realizes it's the same guy.
[01:30:18]  It's a very interesting story, and there's a lot of them.
[01:30:21]  So, this ability for these people to project themselves exists, and it seems to particularly exist among the shamans associated with the Sami people.
[01:30:34]  And those really ancient traditions.
[01:30:38]  Now, the very strange part is what are they doing, and what is that whole aspect doing associated with X Protect and the UFO file?
[01:30:49]  That becomes maybe a certain way that they're able to make sure that somebody kind of takes the intimidation or takes the story, that their abilities not only.
[01:31:05]  Are psychic in nature, but their abilities are hypnotic in nature.
[01:31:09]  So it is very unusual, but when you go through the case studies of all those men in black studies and they all look like these figures in the sunny, and then you start to go back into the history and you start to see that these abilities have played out and people have reported on them, now we have a handle on what the intelligence agencies may be using there.
[01:31:30]  And it allows us to go a little bit deeper.
[01:31:33]  But are you ready to go deeper still?
[01:31:35]  That's the question.
[01:31:36]  Here we go.
[01:31:37]  Always.
[01:31:39]  You're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
[01:31:41]  Now, we've just crisscrossed Kiel with Le Coteau.
[01:31:45]  And I think that between the two, now we're getting a perspective.
[01:31:49]  They're both talking about the same thing, they're both taking bona fide stories, witness testimony.
[01:31:55]  And there's more of a historical edge with Le Coteau.
[01:32:00]  But actually, Kiel will go back and look at some of those ancient or Middle Ages periods also and start to compare some of the fairy stories with some of the UFO lore.
[01:32:09]  Which is quite fascinating, actually.
[01:32:11]  And when I think about the way that the UFO reporting has played out and the whole savior thing that's been laid on the alien things, it seems very, very artificial.
[01:32:24]  And that is the thing that really needs to be kind of kicked out, I think, when we look at these subjects.
[01:32:29]  And I think that we can get an idea of these supernatural aspects relating to the UFO file.
[01:32:37]  Even if somebody feels that you're dealing with an off world civilization, Then it would be kind of a peer situation of one group meeting another, just like the Indians had no reason to worship the Spaniards when they came.
[01:32:51]  They are peer groups.
[01:32:53]  And as it turns out, it wasn't so hot for the Indians.
[01:32:58]  But I think that that is important.
[01:32:59]  And so removing that kind of savior programming around the UFO aspect is key.
[01:33:05]  And especially guys like Kiel and Le Coteau, they don't have any of that.
[01:33:11]  They're not going for it at all.
[01:33:12]  If anything, they're suspicious of the whole phenomenon.
[01:33:15]  That doesn't to say that I think any kind of fear is warranted when dealing with the idea of the UFO file or off world civilizations.
[01:33:25]  I just think that it should be based on a kind of an understanding you get from doing a certain amount of investing time and energy into it and the feeling that comes as a result of that and basing it on some of the histories of the interaction.
[01:33:42]  Now, you get a lot of interference on the topic of the UFO file from the intelligence side, trying to distort the story as we've seen over and over again, TTSA being the most recent example with Elizondo.
[01:33:56]  You know, spinning stories on CNN, and you know, I've shown on this program and I've demonstrated the photograph of him working in 2010 in Missouri for a shipping company.
[01:34:06]  So he wasn't manning the lowly UFO desk at the Pentagon in 2010, I don't know what he was doing, but we do know that he was a counterintelligence CIA officer working for James Clapper.
[01:34:17]  Um, and so you know, I think we have to take these things into account, um, and also.
[01:34:27]  The fact that the CIA director at the time is the drone king.
[01:34:30]  You know, these aren't very healthy people to be around the UFO file.
[01:34:34]  I think it's a very dangerous thing.
[01:34:35]  We're going to see why here.
[01:34:38]  One quick thing I want to mention about the Sami, by the way, is they're some of the most, these are really strong, beautiful people.
[01:34:46]  And they're some of the most politically active for indigenous rights, also.
[01:34:50]  I've been looking at a number of stories involving them and their population and the things that they've contributed.
[01:34:58]  And again, like many other indigenous populations, they are under siege because the roar of the industrial interference in their kind of lifestyles has been going on for centuries.
[01:35:13]  And so this is quite fascinating with them.
[01:35:16]  Interesting to go back into their history, though, and see this more magical aspect and see hmm, are intelligence agencies working deep for this type of information, developing an alliance with people who are familiar with that?
[01:35:31]  Laplander shaman tradition.
[01:35:35]  Is this how we get the men in black?
[01:35:37]  Is this how we get the development of those psychic programs?
[01:35:40]  It's at least an aspect of it.
[01:35:41]  I think that there's good reason to believe that.
[01:35:45]  You're watching The Dark Journalist Show, and this is a great crowd now.
[01:35:51]  It's huge.
[01:35:52]  We have a lot of great people out there.
[01:35:53]  I want to say Dimensions and Beyond is also out there.
[01:35:55]  That's Carly.
[01:35:56]  Carly actually had to go to bed.
[01:35:59]  Oh, okay.
[01:35:59]  I saw her, but she did a great job earlier.
[01:36:02]  She does a fantastic podcast.
[01:36:04]  Called Dimensions and Beyond Radio, and always very, very interesting subjects.
[01:36:09]  Of course, Gigi Young is out there ripping it up, and Gigi has been doing amazing stuff lately.
[01:36:14]  Her videos have been just off the charts.
[01:36:18]  And I want to remind everyone to go to darkjournalist.com to sign up for the newsletter.
[01:36:25]  Keep us in touch with each other.
[01:36:26]  This is the way that we're going to stay in touch and really have that kind of tight connection and communication that does not rely on social media platforms.
[01:36:36]  As we've been seeing incredible censorship across all the major ones so far.
[01:36:40]  Okay, so David Tormina wants to know why would the Sami work with the CIA?
[01:36:46]  Well, I don't think the Sami are working with the CIA.
[01:36:49]  I think, just like in some of the older stories, there's a small group that you can kind of isolate and offer things or threaten into even working for you.
[01:37:03]  Every intelligence agency works with that.
[01:37:07]  And the idea is also that the.
[01:37:11]  Some of the, you know, in any group, even in the ayahuasca shamans in the Amazon, you know, you get the really good, incredible shamans leading the tribe, and then you get people that they're at war with in their own environment.
[01:37:27]  So it's at least someone who's very familiar with the Sami traditions and, you know, coming out of that.
[01:37:35]  I think that we have to look at the idea that they could have, you know, intelligence agencies utilize every type of psychic.
[01:37:44]  And they would exploit.
[01:37:45]  They would love to exploit, and they actually develop psychics for exploitation.
[01:37:50]  That's just what they're all about.
[01:37:52]  So, there's a number of techniques they can use to do that.
[01:37:55]  And I'm sure it's not just Samis that are exploiting.
[01:37:59]  Right.
[01:37:59]  And the other thing to remember is just because you have developed a spiritual technology doesn't mean you are necessarily more spiritually advanced.
[01:38:09]  It's true.
[01:38:09]  Well, there's always the possibility of somebody working on that level for less than.
[01:38:16]  You know, honorable purposes.
[01:38:17]  But the idea that it's just the Sami is wrong.
[01:38:23]  That's not what I'm saying.
[01:38:25]  What I am saying is that in relation to the men in black, that's such a refined ability of projection that they're using that they need a very special quality to be able to pull it off.
[01:38:41]  And, you know, the physical resemblance of The men in black to these early Laplanders and that tradition has to be looked at.
[01:38:52]  You know, we have to be able to say, okay, yeah, these incredible psychic people, they've been tucked away from society.
[01:38:58]  On the shamanistic side, like I said, the broader people who are of the Sami culture don't have much to do with that.
[01:39:05]  It's like a remnant, it's a leftover of their incredible shamanistic tradition, but it could have been misused by our intelligence agencies.
[01:39:13]  Looks most likely that it was.
[01:39:15]  But yeah, it's a good question.
[01:39:16]  My God.
[01:39:18]  Another quick question.
[01:39:20]  And you will see, though, I'm just about to bring up Andre Paharich.
[01:39:23]  Oh, good.
[01:39:24]  And Paharich brought forward Peter Herkos and Yuri Geller.
[01:39:27]  What did they wind up doing?
[01:39:29]  Working for the CIA.
[01:39:31]  They're well intentioned psychics, too.
[01:39:33]  But, you know, there's a way to bring them in to do the work you want to do because, you know, you can appeal to them in all sorts of different ways.
[01:39:41]  Not everyone really understood, especially back then, that the CIA was a bad thing.
[01:39:47]  If you're looking in the 1950s, nobody knew.
[01:39:50]  They probably just thought, hey, this is another.
[01:39:53]  Group that is, you know, active here.
[01:39:55]  And if they had other groups like the Soviet Union on the other side over there who were incredibly domineering and they had just gotten through with Nazis, then, you know, the CIA may have looked pretty good because it would have been this American thing.
[01:40:09]  So you never know.
[01:40:10]  Of course, we know the CIA was full of Nazis.
[01:40:13]  Yeah, but they may not have known that.
[01:40:14]  They may not have known that.
[01:40:17]  Okay, keep rolling.
[01:40:17]  What do you got?
[01:40:18]  DinoBot14 wants to know Do you think intelligence agencies had programs to find children with psychic abilities in public school?
[01:40:27]  Oh, yes, no question about it.
[01:40:30]  That's on record.
[01:40:30]  One of the things I'm just about to lead up to is that CIA Director Richard Helms, in 1973, just before congressional testimony, burned most of the records associated with the MKUltra program.
[01:40:43]  MKUltra, in my opinion, would have contained the psychic experiments.
[01:40:48]  That's why we don't have a good track record of them through regular classified documents that have been declassified over time.
[01:40:57]  We have references.
[01:40:58]  And remember, MKUltra itself would have been completely gone, but they forgot there were some associated volumes that they didn't burn and get rid of.
[01:41:06]  And so, because of those associated volumes, the whole subject came up, and then he had to say, Yes, I did destroy them.
[01:41:12]  So, that's on record.
[01:41:14]  We know that with those mind control programs, they got into it.
[01:41:18]  But let's go a little bit deeper.
[01:41:20]  If they were utilizing mind control programs and they only got rid of the records in 1973, the remote viewing program started at SRI, right, late 60s, early 70s.
[01:41:32]  Right there, you're working side by side on remote viewing for the CIA on one hand, and on the other.
[01:41:38]  Hand, you're working on this whole other side.
[01:41:41]  So, you know, they're contemporaneous, and I'm sure, absolutely sure, with their knowledge.
[01:41:50]  Remember, they're dealing with off world civilizations, they're dealing with the X tech inside the UFO file.
[01:41:57]  They have very advanced knowledge.
[01:41:59]  They're also dealing with, and they work deep, deep on the psychic side.
[01:42:05]  Remember, one of their main studies in 1964 was what?
[01:42:08]  On Edgar Cayce, even though he'd been dead 20 years, they wanted to know give us the facts on it.
[01:42:14]  So the CIA studies the subject very, very deeply.
[01:42:17]  It's one of their key areas, I would say, one of the most important.
[01:42:22]  It's hard, you know, sometimes that might be hard for people to understand, but they are very, very engaged on the metaphysical side of things.
[01:42:32]  Absolutely.
[01:42:33]  Yes, keep rolling.
[01:42:34]  You want another one?
[01:42:35]  Yeah, sure.
[01:42:36]  Krista Cox wants to know do clones share a soul?
[01:42:39]  Do clones have a soul?
[01:42:41]  Well, this is all very interesting.
[01:42:47]  I think clone is an interesting word.
[01:42:54]  Clone literally comes from the idea that you clone a particular physical part.
[01:43:00]  So people have gotten into trouble before saying, like Elon Musk, when at first he was against transhumanism and then he was like, You know what, I'm going to do?
[01:43:13]  Excuse me.
[01:43:14]  I'm going to download my consciousness into a box and have it be an avatar.
[01:43:21]  You know, anyone who understands mystery school activity and understands chakra centers and theosophical history around anthroposophy, you can't do that.
[01:43:34]  So, you know, you can't project your consciousness into a box and continue.
[01:43:39]  That isn't going to happen because your endocrine.
[01:43:42]  The system is set up in such a way to allow you to function as a psychic entity.
[01:43:47]  So, this idea, we have to go a little bit deeper.
[01:43:52]  If somebody physically clones something, then the physical aspect doesn't have your soul aspect at all.
[01:44:03]  It's a totally different thing.
[01:44:05]  However, when somebody is projecting themselves astrally, it contains all of the pieces of them.
[01:44:13]  So, if somebody can show up and project themselves in a particular location, if you look at Mystery School fundamental doctrine, if you look at the experiences that these people have had, they can do that as themselves.
[01:44:27]  So, an astral double can have a soul for sure.
[01:44:31]  That is the soul that's being projected there and leaving the body behind temporarily before it reconnects.

=== Mind Control and Clones (03:35) ===

[01:44:37]  That's a whole kind of different thing.
[01:44:39]  So, it's very tricky.
[01:44:40]  Clone is interesting because it suggests, as we know, somebody takes a physical.
[01:44:45]  Piece of us and recreates a body with that, which is kind of a recipe for disaster.
[01:44:52]  One of the interesting things that Ted Kennedy was pushing for before he died was real hardcore legislation against rogue scientists creating clones.
[01:45:05]  And we've seen them create clones of animals and things like that.
[01:45:09]  But no, that would be giving mind to a physical side of things without giving any thought to the sort of psychospiritual aspect of an individual.
[01:45:22]  So, yeah, if you were just a scientific guy and you were like, there's no God, it's just me, and I'm a scientific materialist, I can create a clone and it's just like me, it doesn't matter.
[01:45:33]  But if you understand the mystery school, Or if you have any kind of spiritual identity, then you know that that's completely BS.
[01:45:42]  So I have the most hilarious question.
[01:45:44]  Okay.
[01:45:44]  Okay.
[01:45:45]  So Nell is asking, what is the purpose of mind control by these agencies?
[01:45:50]  Where do they put this control in use?
[01:45:54]  It's just where don't they?
[01:45:58]  Mind control is utilized in everything from advertising to politics to farming.
[01:46:07]  So, yeah, I mean, you're surrounded by mind control.
[01:46:11]  And intelligence agencies on record use mind control.
[01:46:14]  So it's not us just kind of opining about it and think, you know, editorializing maybe or speculating.
[01:46:21]  No, it's on record that they do it.
[01:46:23]  As a matter of fact, one of the things that Obama did, which really proved where he was coming from, is he allowed the CIA, and this is the first time too, to allocate money to actually on record propagandize the US population.
[01:46:42]  You understand, first of all, the Central Intelligence Agency is an extra constitutional agency.
[01:46:47]  That is, there's nowhere in the Constitution set up for the CIA.
[01:46:51]  So they're an adjunct.
[01:46:53]  There's just something that's placed on the republic, the democracy, a democratic form of government.
[01:46:59]  So then to go even further and say, well, you guys are going to operate outside the United States and gather intelligence, that was one thing.
[01:47:07]  But then they went into spreading propaganda to create favorable results.
[01:47:12]  Broadcasting lies overseas.
[01:47:14]  Okay, that's one thing.
[01:47:15]  It's bad enough, maybe.
[01:47:17]  But then when you have the ability and they've turned that ability on the United States citizens, then you're in a whole different ballgame.
[01:47:26]  But now they can do it legally.
[01:47:29]  So let's say, after deep events like the Kennedy assassination, 9 11, even the financial coup d'etat of 2008, the CIA is allowed, we know that they've propagandized, but they were never allowed by law to do that.
[01:47:46]  Now, after 2010 and Obama opening that door, now there's money allocated to propagandize our own citizens.
[01:47:56]  So, these are the types of things I think that we need to take a look at.
[01:47:59]  But certainly, this mind control used by those agencies on populations around the world and in America.
[01:48:07]  And it doesn't reflect the best of what America can do by a long shot.

=== The Orphic Circle Revealed (03:10) ===

[01:48:12]  Fascinating.
[01:48:13]  Let's look at one more book, which will tie this all together, and then we'll take questions.
[01:48:18]  For real.
[01:48:19]  You're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
[01:48:20]  We're getting deep into the topic of psychic doubles, and there's a reason for that.
[01:48:27]  And of course, I'm joined by the lovely Olivia.
[01:48:29]  You can ask her your questions in caps coming up for the second half of the show here.
[01:48:36]  And we're going to try to get all through these.
[01:48:39]  Actually, yeah, we're going to try to do all this in the next half hour.
[01:48:43]  Okay.
[01:48:44]  Now, one quick thing to keep in mind a character that we brought up a couple of times, and particularly in the Alice in Wonderland CERN episode.
[01:48:53]  Is Emma Hardinge Britton.
[01:48:56]  And Emma Britton was used as a somnambulist trance channel by a group called the Orphic Circle in the 1840s and 50s.
[01:49:09]  And she had unusual psychic abilities as a child, and she found herself dealing with incredible people like Charles Dickens and Bulwer Lytton and the Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli and all these, the future Prime Minister.
[01:49:28]  So, just incredible people in high society.
[01:49:30]  And here she was, you know, her job was to go into trance and give them information.
[01:49:35]  And when she came back, she wasn't aware of what happened, except on a few very interesting occasions.
[01:49:40]  But what she gave us in her story at the end of her life in her autobiography was this idea of the Orphic Circle.
[01:49:47]  The Orphic Circle is very important because it gives us this genesis of these power brokers in the UK in the 19th century using.
[01:50:01]  Psychic channels to get information on state secrets and on the, you know, basically on the meaning of life and that kind of thing.
[01:50:09]  So, that realization coming out of the, you know, supposition stage to giving us something rock solid that we can hang on to is very important.
[01:50:18]  And we've covered the Orphic Circle on a couple of episodes.
[01:50:21]  We won't go too deep into them here, but it might help us understand this next segment.
[01:50:26]  There's a book out there called Footfalls on the Boundary of Another World.
[01:50:31]  This is Robert Dale Owen.
[01:50:33]  This book.
[01:50:34]  Which comes to us in the 1860s gives us a very unusual tale and one of the most classic tales about a doppelganger that literally showed up around this school teacher and was witnessed by 42 students and the unusual things that ensued and how this followed this woman for 19 years.
[01:50:55]  This story, as a matter of fact, there was a famous actress who some spiritualists had put together this idea of her to portray this.
[01:51:06]  I got this picture of this woman.
[01:51:08]  And she was playing this, you know, very unusual teacher that we're about to meet.
[01:51:14]  The book itself is quite unusual and contains many stories.
[01:51:17]  Of course, we're going to concentrate on the story of Emily Saji.

=== Teacher Emily Saji (08:18) ===

[01:51:23]  Now, the name of the chapter is Why a Livonian School Teacher Lost Her Situation The Habitual Apparition of a Living Person.
[01:51:35]  Okay, I'm going to run through this quickly.
[01:51:36]  There existed in the year 1845.
[01:51:39]  And it is still continued in Livonia, about 36 miles from Riga and a mile and a half from the small town of Volmar, an institution of high repute for the education of young ladies entitled the Pensionat of Newelke.
[01:51:54]  It is under the superintendence of Moravian directors, of whom the principal at the time of the occurrence was named Buchs.
[01:52:03]  So he goes into quite detail and he names all the people involved, so it wasn't some fly by night story.
[01:52:10]  Interviewed every witness and spent a lot of time on the story, bringing it forward.
[01:52:16]  He says that some of the major figures of the time went to the school, which is basically like kind of a finishing school for young women.
[01:52:25]  Now, in this institution, one of the female teachers at the time was Mademoiselle Emily Sagi, a French lady from Dijon.
[01:52:36]  She was of the northern type, blonde, with a fair complexion, light blue eyes, chestnut hair, slightly above the middle size.
[01:52:44]  I like that.
[01:52:45]  Blonde with chestnut hair.
[01:52:46]  How do you do that?
[01:52:47]  Yes.
[01:52:49]  In character, she was amiable, quiet, and good tempered, not at all given to anger or impatience, very even temperament, but of an anxious disposition as to her physical temperament, somewhat nervously excitable.
[01:53:03]  Her health was usually good, and during the year and a half that she lived as a teacher, she had but one or two slight indispositions that she worked as a teacher at the school.
[01:53:13]  She was intelligent and accomplished, and the directors during the entire period of her stay were perfectly satisfied with her conduct, her industry, and her acquirements.
[01:53:23]  I think that's kind of like achievements.
[01:53:25]  She was at the time 32 years of age.
[01:53:28]  A few weeks after Saji first arrived, singular reports began to circulate among the pupils when some casual inquiry happened to be made as to where she was.
[01:53:40]  One young lady would reply that she had seen her in such and such a room, whereupon another would say, Oh no, she can't be there, for I've just met her on the stairway.
[01:53:49]  Or perhaps in some distant quarter.
[01:53:50]  At first, they naturally supposed it was mere mistake.
[01:53:54]  But as the same thing reoccurred again and again, They began to think it was very odd and finally spoke to the other governesses about it.
[01:54:02]  Whether the teachers at the time could have furnished an explanation or not, they gave none.
[01:54:06]  They merely told the young ladies it was all fancy and nonsense and bade them pay no attention to it.
[01:54:11]  But after a time, things got much more extraordinary, which could not be set down to imagination or mistake, and things began to occur.
[01:54:20]  One day, the governess was giving a lesson to a class of 13, of whom this woman named Gunstub was one.
[01:54:30]  And this is somebody he interviewed.
[01:54:33]  And she, with some eagerness, to demonstrate some proposition to illustrate what she had occasion to write with chalk on a blackboard.
[01:54:41]  While she was doing so, so the teacher there, Saji, is very animated writing on a blackboard.
[01:54:48]  While she was doing so, the young ladies were looking at her, and to their consternation, they suddenly saw two Mademoiselle Sajis.
[01:54:57]  The one by the side of the other, they were exactly alike.
[01:55:00]  They used the same gestures, only that the real person held a bit of chalk in her hand and did not.
[01:55:05]  And did actually write, while the double had no chalk and only imitated the motion.
[01:55:11]  This incident naturally caused a great sensation in the establishment.
[01:55:15]  It was ascertained on inquiry that every one of the 13 young ladies in the class had seen the second figure, and that they all agreed in their description of its appearance and its motions.
[01:55:25]  So this becomes quite a scandal for Sa G, and it turns out that this is a problem that followed her around here for 19 years.
[01:55:33]  But before she goes down in a ball of flames, Of controversy, and the whole school is rocked by it.
[01:55:40]  Some unusual things happen, which is it seems like this doppelganger kind of enjoys the situation.
[01:55:46]  So, months passed by, and similar phenomena were still repeated.
[01:55:49]  Sometimes at dinner, the double appeared to be standing behind the teacher's chair and imitating her motions as she ate, only that its hands held no knife and fork, and there was no appearance of food.
[01:55:58]  The figure alone was repeated.
[01:56:01]  All the pupils and the servants waiting on the table witnessed this.
[01:56:08]  It was only occasionally, however, that the double appeared to imitate the motions of the real person.
[01:56:11]  Sometimes, when the latter rose from a chair, the figure would appear seated on it.
[01:56:16]  On one occasion, Mademoiselle Saji, being confined to bed with an attack of influenza, there was a woman named de Wrangel who was sitting by her bedside reading to her.
[01:56:31]  Suddenly, the governess became stiff and pale, and, seeming as if about to faint, the young lady, alarmed, asked if she was worse.
[01:56:38]  She replied that she was Nos.
[01:56:39]  She was not, but in a very feeble and languid voice.
[01:56:42]  A few seconds afterwards, Durangle happened to look around and saw quite distinctly the figure of the governess walking up and down the apartment.
[01:56:50]  This time, the young lady had sufficient self control to remain quiet and even to make no remark of the patient.
[01:56:56]  Soon afterwards, she came downstairs looking very pale and related what had happened.
[01:57:01]  But the most remarkable example of this seeming independent action of two figures happened on this occasion.
[01:57:07]  Now, before I go into this last one, what basically happens there is when this thing shows up, she gets more ill.
[01:57:13]  And her voice starts to tamp down, and this woman turning around and looking around sees this very kind of vital version of her moving around the apartment.
[01:57:21]  So it's getting very supernatural over there at the school.
[01:57:25]  One day, all the young ladies of the institution, to the number of 42, were assembled in the same room, engaged in embroidery.
[01:57:33]  It was a spacious hall on the first floor of a principal building and had four large windows.
[01:57:39]  There was a long table to enter the room, and it was various classes who Won't to unite for needlework or similar occupation.
[01:57:47]  On this occasion, the young ladies were all seated at the table in question, once they could readily see what passed in the garden.
[01:57:54]  And while engaged in their work, they noticed the teacher, Saji, there, not far from the house, gathering flowers, which she was very fond of.
[01:58:02]  At the head of the table, seated in an armchair of green morocco, my informant says, I like the way he puts this, she still distinctly recollects the entire scene.
[01:58:18]  Sat the teacher in charge of the pupils.
[01:58:21]  After a time, this lady had occasion to leave the room.
[01:58:23]  The armchair was left vacant.
[01:58:25]  It remained so, however, for a short time only.
[01:58:29]  So, what happens here, and I'll kind of do an end run the doppelganger comes and sits at the head of the table while everyone can see the other teacher out there gathering flowers.
[01:58:41]  So, one of the pupils gets it into her head that she's going to go up and actually touch her.
[01:58:49]  And interestingly enough, as she gets nearer, she kind of bounces off of her.
[01:58:54]  It's almost like a force field around her.
[01:58:56]  And she also starts to feel nauseous.
[01:58:59]  Now, while that's happening, this little weird interaction, the teacher among the flowers faints.
[01:59:06]  So, this is a very, very unusual story.
[01:59:08]  And I cite it because it comes from this very scholarly investigation of the period into the subject.
[01:59:18]  Over the course of time, we've forgotten the ability and we've lost the language to actually discuss, or it's been consigned more just to kind of the entertainment science fiction aspect.
[01:59:29]  However, in some of these cases, as we can see here, we're looking at someone who, you know, this is a clear case of a doppelganger, but we're also looking at someone whose other self is being projected.

=== Biodynamic Study Groups (15:11) ===

[01:59:42]  And whenever this thing shows up, her own identity and her own vitality is being drained, just like in the unusual picture.
[01:59:50]  Now, in To tie this up now with Keel's work, in the case of the men in black, when those people show up and when they're questioned, they lose their vitality.
[02:00:00]  They go downhill.
[02:00:02]  They feel themselves in a trance, but they also feel this kind of semi nausea.
[02:00:08]  And very often, the men in black will actually tell them, you know, if you do anything, if you say anything about this case, you're going to get ill.
[02:00:16]  You know, we did to so and so, they got a heart attack and this kind of a thing.
[02:00:20]  So, When we get the kind of wide angle view of this supernatural happening and then we tie it into actual intelligence work, these things start to make sense again.
[02:00:31]  So, if we can weigh some of the expertise that some of these researchers had, say working hand in glove with the public mystery schools like Theosophy or Anthroposophy, against what we see later with the kind of manipulation from the intelligence agencies,
[02:00:48]  we start to get a handle on the fact that the intelligence agencies could be using a quality, a psychic ability, in order to project a certain type of an agent to achieve a certain goal, a certain end.
[02:01:02]  In that it should be something that's considered in their bag of tricks because that whole phenomena about the UFO aspect and the silencing of witnesses is pretty major.
[02:01:16]  It's well documented over five or six decades by very solid individuals.
[02:01:20]  So, what is the crux of it?
[02:01:23]  And how do we understand and identify X Protect?
[02:01:27]  We have to go back to the cases where they were open minded enough to study it from that level.
[02:01:33]  And we have to start to see those connections.
[02:01:35]  That people like Kiel made, that LeConteau made, about some of these groups and the abilities they possessed, and how those abilities could be misused by our own intelligence apparatus or private groups for that matter.
[02:01:51]  But certainly in the case of the CIA, these are the types of things that they were looking for when they were doing the remote viewing programs, when they were engaged in MKUltra, and when they were engaged in that heavy duty mind manipulation.
[02:02:07]  Technology, look, the psychic aspect is the one aspect of theirs that we don't have, regardless of little articles that seem like there's some kind of disclosure that, hey, you know, the CIA and the Pentagon studied psychic activity.
[02:02:22]  Well, that's good.
[02:02:22]  It's on record.
[02:02:23]  It gives us a place to start, but there's no depth.
[02:02:26]  It's just like, oh, those crazy guys doing that thing.
[02:02:29]  I think that it's really important for us to start to understand the way that Keel understood, the way that authors like Frank Edwards understood.
[02:02:38]  It's something much deeper going on in relation to the UFO file.
[02:02:42]  And it's the key, in my opinion, is understanding the psychic function, just like the mystery school aspect.
[02:02:51]  If you just study the deep state aspect and you miss the mystery school aspect with the psychic aspect, you're only going to have a half complete story.
[02:03:00]  You're missing an incredible, powerful array.
[02:03:04]  And even when we get into stories like The Hot Zone and the whole Atlantis Rising story, you need the work of Edgar Cayce.
[02:03:11]  You need the work of Steiner.
[02:03:14]  So you.
[02:03:15]  You have to engage, you have to pull from different areas in order to get a complete picture.
[02:03:21]  And in this case, the psychic doubles aspect, we have to go a lot deeper with it because, as Olivia stated when we started, we're raising a lot more questions than anything else because we don't have really a language for it.
[02:03:37]  The language, really, that we have comes from the public mystery schools.
[02:03:41]  They gave us something to work with.
[02:03:42]  They talked about etheric doubles, they talked about specters, specter twins.
[02:03:48]  And astral doubles.
[02:03:49]  That's crucial.
[02:03:50]  So now we have a reference point, somewhere to go for it.
[02:03:54]  But without that, I think you're in real trouble.
[02:03:56]  Yes.
[02:03:56]  And with that, Miss Olivia, I will turn it over to you and your questions.
[02:04:00]  Okay.
[02:04:01]  There are so many questions and they're all over the place.
[02:04:03]  So let's start with this one.
[02:04:04]  Perry Winkle, what is the CIA's relationship to the mystery schools?
[02:04:10]  Well, a lot of the players inside the CIA come from very elite circles in terms of setting it up, like Alan Dulles, for example.
[02:04:20]  Who was really the most hardcore director in there for a decade?
[02:04:27]  And, you know, but he's a Wall Street lawyer.
[02:04:31]  I mean, that's he was an SC lawyer who set up a bank with Bush that got raided by Roosevelt for trading with the enemy.
[02:04:38]  So, you know, we have to understand who we're dealing with there.
[02:04:43]  There are different mystery schools and that they work, they interrelate with power centers.
[02:04:49]  But I think, again, with mystery schools, we have to devise what we're talking about because there's mystery schools that are there and dedicated to moving the culture forward.
[02:05:00]  Those are the deep mystery schools, of which I think the Rosicrucian school that influenced anthroposophy and the Theosophical group, they kind of give us an indication of where those deeper groups are coming from, moving the culture, moving humanity forward.
[02:05:17]  The left hand groups, a lot of that spawned the Golden Dawn and things of that nature.
[02:05:23]  Those are groups that will study the same type of methods but will try to apply them for scientific materialist ends.
[02:05:32]  So, You know, they're moving, that's kind of like a power position thing.
[02:05:38]  So you have a clash there when you're speaking of mystery schools.
[02:05:41]  But I would say that the traditional mystery schools observe and kind of probably even block the CIA and groups like the CIA and would never, you won't catch a regular mystery school of the Rosicrucian blend working with the CIA.
[02:06:02]  But there's so many operators in that space.
[02:06:05]  The other thing is, remember that I've described these levels before.
[02:06:08]  When you're dealing with the mystery schools, you've got the actual mystery schools.
[02:06:13]  Then below them, you have what's called lesser schools who know quite a bit but don't have access to those initiates in the mystery schools.
[02:06:21]  And then below them, you have arcane schools who follow methods.
[02:06:26]  So they've kept the tradition by following the actions.
[02:06:30]  You know, it's kind of like in the Catholic Church you know how to do the Mass, you know how to do the function, but you don't have that higher.
[02:06:40]  Knowledge.
[02:06:40]  And then below them, you have the private study groups.
[02:06:44]  And then below that, public study groups, which is what most people know.
[02:06:47]  So when we say mystery schools, it's pretty broad.
[02:06:50]  But certainly the secret societies and the brotherhoods of the left hand, which are kind of like a mystery school doppelganger in a weird way, the shadow side, again, they would be the ones where you would see incredible collusion with government powers.
[02:07:09]  And they would be the ones that we'd look to to work at the CIA.
[02:07:12]  We know the CIA.
[02:07:14]  Also, it has its fair share of Crowley devotees.
[02:07:19]  And so, there's certainly a lot of dark metaphysical aspects to the Central Intelligence Agency.
[02:07:28]  It's on record.
[02:07:30]  Yes.
[02:07:30]  Okay, Christine Taggart.
[02:07:32]  Would the Two Eye Stone amplify the doppelganger effect and Apotheum as well?
[02:07:38]  Well, that's interesting.
[02:07:41]  See, the Two Eye Stone, I've been studying it.
[02:07:45]  Deeper and deeper, and the more I get into it, the more I realize that.
[02:07:49]  And this is something I think Gigi brought up it's a consciousness shifter.
[02:07:54]  So, you know, we have to think of it now like we have something like nuclear power now, and you know, we think of it as it's just a technology, it's a kind of a gross material technology to dominate, but it can be used as an energy source.
[02:08:11]  The two eye stone, the way that Casey described its use.
[02:08:15]  Is as something where they could spiritually interface with higher beings.
[02:08:23]  So, they would prepare priestesses in Atlantean times to use it that way.
[02:08:28]  Another group got their hands on it and realized it had the ability to materially dominate things.
[02:08:35]  So, that's interesting about the two eye stone.
[02:08:38]  I think the discovery of it is a great consciousness raiser.
[02:08:42]  I'm sure there are groups out there, and I've discussed this with Joseph Farrell, the term we came up with was archaeology wars.
[02:08:49]  They're looking for these things, and there's a huge history of ancient weaponry.
[02:08:54]  And access to it, and they are looking for those artifacts.
[02:08:58]  There's no question about it.
[02:09:00]  We've documented it in this program, but the Two Eye Stone, I would have to say, would probably be the ultimate gem for their discoveries.
[02:09:09]  I mean, that's probably what they think of it as.
[02:09:11]  For us, it would be a great consciousness raiser, yes.
[02:09:14]  Do you want to spell Two Eye for everybody in the audience?
[02:09:17]  Sure, it's T U A O I, and it comes directly out of the Edgar Casey readings.
[02:09:23]  In my own studies around it, of course, we did a show on the Two of the Dan and And they carry elements of the name and elements of that kind of Atlantean magic.
[02:09:35]  There are other groups.
[02:09:37]  I know, Olivia, you were looking at the Maori and how they use the term.
[02:09:41]  Yes.
[02:09:42]  Well, what was it?
[02:09:44]  There was another one, though.
[02:09:47]  There's Polynesian and there's also another one.
[02:09:49]  Oh, it's the Ojibwe.
[02:09:50]  Okay.
[02:09:50]  That's the one.
[02:09:53]  And so you have the Maori, you have the Ojibwe, and that's a Pacific thing, and they're using this tua.
[02:10:01]  You know, and so those terms, when they relate to things, I think are very hardcore.
[02:10:07]  But yes, pronunciation the way the easiest way to keep it in mind is two eye stone.
[02:10:13]  And basically, what he said, he describes it.
[02:10:15]  He gives the exact, you know, he said, look, they moved it back, there was a dome above it, they raised this thing, and it powered everything.
[02:10:24]  And it took on not only the sun's rays, but the stars' rays.
[02:10:28]  So, you know, it could utilize star power as well.
[02:10:31]  Very unusual descriptions there in the Casey readings.
[02:10:34]  Very advanced, very cutting edge stuff.
[02:10:36]  And again, just like in the UFO field, on the History Channel, they're going back and they're saying Project Blue Book.
[02:10:43]  Project Blue Book was a whitewash anyway, and that was from 50 years ago.
[02:10:46]  So you want to go back and study a whitewash from 50 years ago?
[02:10:51]  And with the Casey work, the Casey work is incredibly cutting edge.
[02:10:56]  You're talking about total apothegm with the Atlanteans, flying through mountains.
[02:11:01]  How do you do that?
[02:11:04]  And the way that he's describing the way that they use the technology in the clash between the Amelius and Belial group, it's off the charts.
[02:11:10]  And very often we get a kind of a watered down thing about Casey.
[02:11:14]  You know, Casey, the Sunday school teacher, you know, very mellow stuff.
[02:11:20]  I mean, it's incredibly science fiction, blow your mind material.
[02:11:25]  And I hope that we can bring more of it out for sure.
[02:11:28]  It's exactly the kind of information that we need.
[02:11:30]  And we don't need people running around pretending that they're the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, by the way.
[02:11:34]  I never get tired of saying that because we've had enough of that claptrap.
[02:11:37]  Okay.
[02:11:38]  Okay.
[02:11:39]  Starlight says, in Denver today on Antenna TV, I watched an I Dream of Genie double episode where Major Nelson was replaced by a double, 1966 show.
[02:11:50]  Genie wasn't even aware he was switched out.
[02:11:53]  We were talking about this day, all the doubles on I Dream of Genie and Bewitched.
[02:11:59]  And then we thought about Twin Peaks and.
[02:12:03]  Well, you have, yeah, Evil Coop.
[02:12:06]  When he comes out of the lodge, he's the evil doppelganger for Agent Cooper.
[02:12:11]  There's incredible.
[02:12:12]  References from people who are well read.
[02:12:15]  Remember that Mark Frost, who wrote the Twin Peaks episodes, he's demonstrated deep anthroposophical knowledge and in the books cites Cooper as a theosophist.
[02:12:31]  So let's keep that in mind.
[02:12:33]  A lot of that material is out there.
[02:12:36]  Steiner's work, by the way, is the most borrowed, like in The Matrix.
[02:12:39]  You want your red pill, your blue pill.
[02:12:41]  That's all Steiner stuff.
[02:12:43]  But it's never credited.
[02:12:45]  You know, because he's obscure enough that you can kind of get away with it in America.
[02:12:51]  But I would say, you know, in Europe, he's far more well known.
[02:12:54]  And probably his work needs to be so much better understood in America.
[02:13:01]  And he did make a prediction, as I'm fond of pointing out on this program, that in 100 years, anthroposophy would have that chance to flower again.
[02:13:12]  We are seeing that now.
[02:13:14]  So it was about 100 years ago he made the statement.
[02:13:16]  So, very, very interesting.
[02:13:18]  When you look at Steiner, you're looking at, you know, biodynamic farming, you're looking at, um, you're looking at Waldorf schools.
[02:13:27]  I mean, this is somebody who made an incredible difference, uh, in the world now.
[02:13:32]  And maybe people will discover it more now.
[02:13:34]  Well, Sting is a biodynamic farmer with his wife, and they bought these fields in Italy to grow wine, biodynamic wine.
[02:13:40]  So maybe that will make people aware of this.
[02:13:43]  We'll start to get it.
[02:13:44]  Sting will save the day.
[02:13:45]  Okay, keep going.
[02:13:46]  Okay, you just mentioned the matrix.
[02:13:48]  So Lee Johnson says, if someone can create something from thin air, Think this is relating to Blavatsky.
[02:13:54]  Doesn't that put us in the matrix?
[02:13:56]  And does your soul project?
[02:14:00]  What if you're okay?
[02:14:01]  If your soul is projecting, what if your body was killed while projecting?
[02:14:08]  Well, that's the same thing like if you're dreaming and asleep and people die in their sleep, you know.
[02:14:17]  So the question becomes I mean, it's just a different type of transition, I would say.
[02:14:22]  So, This idea of leaving one's body, I think, is quite interesting because we know that it happens to all of us when we dream and go into that state.
[02:14:33]  And some people wake up very exhausted, just like I had this very exhausting dream.
[02:14:38]  And this whole idea of their astral body going out traveling.
[02:14:42]  There are fantastic accounts from early theosophy of people astrally traveling and remote viewing and others being able to observe them in this state.

=== Astral Traveling Meditation (05:24) ===

[02:14:54]  And it's a kind of finer matter that they're seeing them in.
[02:14:57]  See, it's very interesting because the mystery schools did let it out.
[02:15:00]  They have let the mystery school, the deep knowledge, out.
[02:15:06]  There's a lot that they've held back, but certainly this whole idea we have not explored properly from what's been let out.
[02:15:13]  That is, astral projection, you know, astral body versus an etheric body.
[02:15:20]  These are not things that an average person knows a whole lot about.
[02:15:25]  So, in that sense, we haven't really utilized the information that the Mystery schools have given us as a culture, and many people are like, you know, we should get all these secrets from the mystery schools, or we should have all this kind of information.
[02:15:37]  But the truth is, in terms of what they've put out, how well has it been utilized and assimilated?
[02:15:43]  Not very well.
[02:15:43]  Although, what's interesting, uh, on the other tip, I guess you could also say that groups like Theosophy, you know, you see people walking around with the yoga mats now, and you know, you see people understanding how meditation works, and you know.
[02:16:00]  Some scientists stood up and said, Meditation actually will increase your effectability and you'll be more effective and more dynamic.
[02:16:09]  Look, I mean, how many people do you need to stand up and say that?
[02:16:13]  The schools gave us the tools, and I think it's about the society utilizing what's out there.
[02:16:19]  And it's a fantastic body of work that I would say is available to us.
[02:16:24]  And we pointed out a lot of it on this program, but there's incredible people doing phenomenal work.
[02:16:30]  And, you know, I always like to point that out because with the things we bring forward here on Dark Journalist, look, you've got the work in this period of Dr. Joseph Farrell incredibly deep work dealing on one hand with geopolitics, but also with.
[02:16:46]  You know, cosmic wars, right?
[02:16:48]  So you've got people like Forbidden Knowledge TV and Alexandra Bruce dealing also with metaphysical and deep state aspects, Catherine Austin Fitz.
[02:17:01]  So, you know, there's a real wave here of information.
[02:17:05]  And I think it's we have this opportunity.
[02:17:09]  It's a kind of a window of opportunity to kind of reach forward and create something different here.
[02:17:16]  And The vast majority of the alternative media is happy to do this two minutes eight dance with a political figure.
[02:17:24]  And I understand the frustration, but I don't think it's that productive.
[02:17:27]  And I would say independent reporting, independent research needs to move more away from that, more into the deeper truths of the things, the tools and the knowledge around it.
[02:17:38]  You know, so that, I mean, the choice is always ours.
[02:17:42]  So that's what it comes down to.
[02:17:43]  Yes.
[02:17:44]  Emmanuel Barron, do you have any firsthand experience with astral traveling?
[02:17:48]  Well, like a lot of people, I've tried different things, but I mean, I think the more important accounts of this type of thing are in the work of, say, an Edgar Cayce or a Jane Roberts or people of this caliber.
[02:18:06]  But yeah, certainly.
[02:18:07]  I want to chime in.
[02:18:07]  I have a great interest in this.
[02:18:09]  I just think people, we do not realize how vulnerable we are, particularly, I think, as Americans, but just in this day and age, we don't.
[02:18:20]  We don't know what the indigenous people still know is that there are many unseen beings and unseen forces.
[02:18:27]  And when you leave your body in particular, you are very vulnerable to, especially if you're leaving your body.
[02:18:35]  So, what, you know, they can come into your actual body.
[02:18:37]  And so, when you come back in, they're with you and you don't realize it.
[02:18:40]  So, this whole idea of inhabiting spirits, which also comes out of Twin Peaks.
[02:18:46]  Well, I'd say there's two ways to look at that.
[02:18:48]  Because, one, just in getting in touch with your deeper sense, it's like anything.
[02:18:52]  I mean, just like you lock your car, your astral vehicle is certainly something you take precautions with, right?
[02:19:00]  Right.
[02:19:00]  If you get in in the morning, you don't know who's in the back seat.
[02:19:05]  But I would say this that also, I wouldn't be scared off by that.
[02:19:09]  Like, you know, it's a system.
[02:19:11]  No, but you need a system, and it's good to have some kind of protection.
[02:19:15]  Yeah.
[02:19:15]  Which is why you would have a shaman who's experienced in that sort of thing.
[02:19:18]  Yeah, I don't think it's to be taken lightly.
[02:19:19]  No, you can do it without a shaman.
[02:19:22]  A shaman is very helpful.
[02:19:23]  Sure, but you can definitely, there's no question in my mind that you can do deeper spiritual investigation and psychic investigation.
[02:19:34]  I mean, it's nice to have a teacher and a shaman, but it's not necessarily required to start to understand your own faculties.
[02:19:42]  There are some basic fundamentals that you can get in touch with.
[02:19:46]  Having a meditation practice certainly gets you in touch with that.
[02:19:49]  Okay, yeah, great stuff.
[02:19:50]  Okay, let me put it this way.
[02:19:52]  If I decide, I've never astrologically traveled, although I've done other work.
[02:19:56]  Oh, you've done incredible things.
[02:19:57]  I can never, ever, ever do it without an actual shaman there protecting me.
[02:20:01]  So that's just me.
[02:20:03]  Oh, interesting.
[02:20:03]  Yeah.
[02:20:04]  No way, no how.
[02:20:06]  Okay, so Breach 120.
[02:20:07]  Well, Gigi makes a good point in the chat.
[02:20:09]  We all leave our bodies during sleep.
[02:20:11]  There is a kind of an astral guardian sense when you go out and do things the same way when you go and do things normally.

=== Dream Scenarios Explained (08:02) ===

[02:20:18]  You know, things know where to go.
[02:20:19]  This is what Casey's line was.
[02:20:21]  But yeah, I understand.
[02:20:21]  You're talking about deep, deep work.
[02:20:24]  Okay.
[02:20:25]  Okay.
[02:20:25]  So, Breach 123, was the double black cat scene in the Matrix part of Steiner's work?
[02:20:32]  That's pretty interesting.
[02:20:33]  I do like that scene because it represents a glitch in what's happening.
[02:20:38]  That's interesting because they were trying to get deja vu in there.
[02:20:41]  And.
[02:20:42]  I'm going to refer to a very unusual comment by Casey in this regard, which is someone asked him, When does our mind become aware?
[02:20:53]  Like, what's the basically glitch between things that happen and our mind being able to perceive them?
[02:21:02]  And Casey's answer is quite unusual.
[02:21:05]  He said, About 20 years.
[02:21:09]  So, in fact, the way that our mind is accepting scenarios and situations.
[02:21:16]  And people and absorbing things is about 20 years behind things as they are actually happening.
[02:21:25]  This is all very interesting because, of course, when we go into the idea that somebody can have a dream about a flat tire and then the next day they wake up with a flat tire, or just this friend is going to call and the friend calls, suggests the idea that the future on some level actually already exists and that we are absorbing it.
[02:21:48]  At a certain slow rate.
[02:21:50]  Now, what's fascinating is along this line, C.W. Ledbetter, who wrote some outstanding work in Theosophy, said, speaking about dreams, that there were three types of dreams.
[02:22:05]  The one type of dream was about the environment, that is, what you had to eat, what noises are going on around you, etc.
[02:22:13]  The second type was about the processing of your psychology, really.
[02:22:19]  Events that were going on, battles of will, relationships, things you're happy about, whatever it was.
[02:22:25]  The sorting function.
[02:22:26]  The third type is the most interesting type, the type we pay attention to is outside of time and space.
[02:22:32]  So the third type of dreaming gives us this ability to enter into our higher self, our spiritual self, and see things from the level where there is no time, there is no space.
[02:22:45]  So therefore, observing an incident or seeing something that's coming down the line as a warning or as a Encouragement from a spiritual center, there's a third type of dream that we can tap when we're in that state.
[02:22:58]  And I would say the majority of people, you know, are recollecting the first two.
[02:23:02]  But wow, when the third one shows up, it's heavy duty.
[02:23:05]  Okay, let's take one more question.
[02:23:08]  Well, this is a pretty good one.
[02:23:11]  Rani Anand Amas, are there such things as astral police that attack you while astral projecting the yuga?
[02:23:19]  Oh, that's pretty interesting.
[02:23:21]  There are different.
[02:23:22]  Ways and means of looking at this.
[02:23:25]  I think Dion Fortune's work is worth taking a good look at on that front.
[02:23:33]  And I think the idea, though, is that it reminds me of the story about a remote viewer who was trying to remote view the president's trip.
[02:23:44]  And I think it was during the period of Obama.
[02:23:46]  And that as he was doing it, as he got into that state, he instantly observed.
[02:23:53]  Guardians, basically, human beings who were set up to stop that type of investigation.
[02:24:03]  Now, Ingo Swan, who we started off the program with, one of the best remote viewers, he had this whole thing about when they would send him in for certain missions, if he was spotted, you know, if he was spying on the Russians or on secret programs, that if he was spotted by another telepath in that state, they always said, get out.
[02:24:24]  So they knew that they could be observed in that state.
[02:24:27]  This is quite interesting and I think goes really deep.
[02:24:30]  So, in that sense, I guess the answer is yes.
[02:24:33]  Okay, we'll take two more questions.
[02:24:35]  And then we're going to wrap it up.
[02:24:37]  You're watching the Dark Journalist program.
[02:24:39]  It's amazing to have so many of you with us.
[02:24:42]  And this is a very deep subject that we started with and looked at the work of John Keel.
[02:24:48]  And we also looked at the work, which I want to recommend because he does great stuff on shapeshifters and astral doubles, Claude Le Coutou.
[02:25:02]  And quite an extraordinary book Witches, Werewolves, Fairies, Shapeshifters, and Astral Doubles in the Middle Ages.
[02:25:09]  Real scholarly foundation, but with heavy duty psychic implications, and the perfect complement to Kiel's work around the men in black and some of the more supernatural aspect.
[02:25:22]  Okay, yes.
[02:25:24]  Okay, so I just wanted to do one more anecdote.
[02:25:29]  I'm actually collected a bunch of them and I'm going to put them up in the comment section.
[02:25:33]  Okay, so Jim Roy the Heretic.
[02:25:35]  My girlfriend called me at three in the morning screaming that I woke her up and stood at her bedside and then disappeared.
[02:25:41]  I was home in my bed.
[02:25:43]  She Freaked.
[02:25:44]  So that's just one example of many.
[02:25:47]  Oh, that's a great one.
[02:25:49]  Okay.
[02:25:50]  Dimensions and Beyond.
[02:25:51]  Carly, our wrench, said this earlier.
[02:25:54]  I was snoozing in my chair and woke up to see myself standing looking at me, except the other me was slightly thinner and taller.
[02:26:01]  She disappeared after a second or two.
[02:26:05]  Oh.
[02:26:06]  Wow.
[02:26:06]  Carly also.
[02:26:09]  So, DJ, this is from JJK.
[02:26:11]  Have you ever had a double experience?
[02:26:13]  And Olivia, have you?
[02:26:15]  I haven't.
[02:26:15]  In fact, nobody has ever even said that I look like anybody.
[02:26:19]  No, I've just heard really, really good ones.
[02:26:23]  Wow, that's fascinating, though.
[02:26:25]  I love, look, the more that we think about this, I've heard incredible stories for years about this subject, and it always makes you very, very curious about it and what's going on.
[02:26:35]  Now, I'll tell you a weird story, and this one comes from Catherine Austin Fitz.
[02:26:39]  And she said it publicly, so I think it's okay to mention here.
[02:26:43]  But, um, A lot of people may not know this about Fitz, but she has a brother who is basically kind of like a cheerleader for the system, and they're at total odds, and they have a real terrible relationship and back and forth because he wasn't very loyal to her during her battle with the government, and it sounded like some pretty dark stuff.
[02:27:06]  But interestingly enough, this is a weird story.
[02:27:09]  When we were at the Secret Space Program Conference in 2015, Walter Bosley was giving a presentation, and in his presentation, There's this whole thing where he goes into how Butch Cassidy was associated with these early groups around the Del Show airship group.
[02:27:31]  So there's these very unusual German groups that came over here with advanced technology at the end of the 19th century.
[02:27:37]  And somehow Butch Cassidy was associated with all this.
[02:27:42]  This is in his Empire of the Wheels series, very interesting books.
[02:27:46]  But as he's going through this, you know, she stops and she exclaims, My God.
[02:27:51]  That picture, Butch Cassidy, that's my brother.
[02:27:57]  It's extraordinary.
[02:28:00]  So it's amazing, you know, he just looked like him, but he was a pure doppelganger of her brother.
[02:28:07]  And it really rocked her.
[02:28:08]  And she had some very, very unusual feelings about that.
[02:28:13]  And, you know, that is, it's one of those strange things.
[02:28:16]  When we get into the doppelganger thing, you're getting into supernatural territory.
[02:28:19]  There's no question about it.

=== Butch Cassidy Doppelganger (03:43) ===

[02:28:21]  How do you handle it when you get there?
[02:28:23]  Okay, one more question.
[02:28:24]  Okay, this is a great question to end on.
[02:28:27]  Robert Bopalak, after they put up, The 5G matrix around the world, will that stop astral projection?
[02:28:34]  And I would say, large, how would that impact us psychically?
[02:28:38]  Oh, yeah.
[02:28:39]  I think there's great interference for the dream state and for the astral state because of the environment.
[02:28:48]  And no, I don't think that something like the 5G or the space fence will stop it.
[02:28:55]  But as they encroach further and further on our physical life, I think there's definitely a narrowing.
[02:29:03]  Of our consciousness, and we see it in people who aren't aware of any of these things.
[02:29:08]  And you wonder, how do you get by in life without knowing about these things?
[02:29:12]  And you know, you do feel there's a little bit of like the harvesting, you know, they're ready with the harvesting.
[02:29:20]  But no, if anything, your connection with the astral side can be more powerful than anything.
[02:29:28]  So I think it's a great time, and we're going to go and do more episodes dealing with this astral side of things because it's crucial.
[02:29:36]  And some of these surprising characters that have gone really, really deep on this that you may not have thought so, but I found some incredible figures that have really put their mark on this area of dealing with the astral side.
[02:29:52]  And you would never, because no one ever talks about it or them, it's quite interesting.
[02:29:57]  The other thing I want to note here at the end of the program is that we've been getting some real breakthroughs in communication around the hot zone.
[02:30:07]  And some extraordinary figures have come forward to speak with us about their experiences with it.
[02:30:14]  And we're going to be bringing those to you as we get it.
[02:30:18]  So we have quite a month for February lined up for you.
[02:30:22]  And, you know, I can't wait to get to it.
[02:30:26]  And with that, Miss Olivia, I'm going to wrap it up.
[02:30:29]  Can I wrap it up?
[02:30:30]  Yeah, sure.
[02:30:30]  Okay.
[02:30:31]  So this is, it's not a double story, but it is a projection story.
[02:30:36]  Oh, yeah.
[02:30:36]  So you know the story.
[02:30:37]  I was once walking and the moon was out, and I was passing this beautiful church, and all of a sudden, I found myself absolutely, just for a split second, back in ancient Greece.
[02:30:49]  I was a man.
[02:30:50]  I was wearing some sort of a toga with sandals, and I was some sort of a senatorslash philosopher.
[02:30:57]  And I could feel myself in a man's body, taller, stronger.
[02:31:01]  And it was evening, and there was a moon up, and I could feel the Greek warm breeze on my skin, and there was a Page coming to greet me, and there was a meeting that was happening.
[02:31:12]  The whole story was there, and then all of a sudden, I was back in my body.
[02:31:17]  And it's the only time I've ever had an experience like that.
[02:31:20]  And it was like this it wasn't just, I was really there.
[02:31:24]  Wow, that is incredible.
[02:31:28]  I can tell you that I've heard some really incredible stories along this line.
[02:31:33]  One of them actually is from my dad who was studying in a library.
[02:31:39]  And he was studying actually something to do with early, very ancient Egypt.
[02:31:50]  And then he switched books and he was reading a scientific overview.
[02:31:59]  And when he looked up, the whole room had turned gold.
[02:32:01]  And it was this weird kind of mystical experience that he had.

=== Connect on Twitter Now (03:46) ===

[02:32:04]  Not too many in his life, by the way, but it's quite extraordinary.
[02:32:09]  So I've always kept that one in mind.
[02:32:11]  Boy, we have a lot of stories along this line.
[02:32:14]  And I bet you guys do too.
[02:32:15]  I love the doppelganger stories.
[02:32:17]  Let us know if you have some really good ones.
[02:32:20]  We will be back next week with the X Steganography series number 46, and it's going to be really hardcore.
[02:32:28]  I want to thank you all for being here.
[02:32:30]  Gigi Young, of course, it's fantastic to see you out there.
[02:32:33]  And also Catherine Harris and Bruce Morgan, Bruce Ross Morgan, fantastic to see you out there, always doing incredible background work and sending excellent links for things.
[02:32:48]  And he's very active on Twitter too.
[02:32:51]  And I would say if you are on Twitter, remember.
[02:32:54]  To check us out there at Dark Journalist, it's a lot of great conversations going on in relation to that.
[02:33:00]  Grandma Tippy Toes, of course, fantastic.
[02:33:02]  Uh, cult fan, it's good to see you out there.
[02:33:04]  Cheryl Peterson, thank you.
[02:33:07]  She says the doppelganger should always be more thin and more beautiful.
[02:33:12]  You got the last word there.
[02:33:14]  Um, and yeah, my soul on fire and uh, DJ Beto, Egyptian princess, fantastic to see everyone.
[02:33:24]  What a great crowd.
[02:33:26]  We will see you next week.
[02:33:27]  And Olivia, the last question is what's for dinner?
[02:33:30]  It's definitely back to pizza tonight.
[02:33:32]  It's been a while.
[02:33:33]  Pizza, pizza.
[02:33:36]  Olive or no olive?
[02:33:38]  I think definitely olive.
[02:33:39]  I want some salt.
[02:33:41]  I also wanted to say that the BB blog has a fantastic story, a true story, that she narrates about the brujas of Ojo Caliente.
[02:33:52]  On this, it just happened to be a synchronistic thing about doubles.
[02:33:56]  Oh, really?
[02:33:57]  Yes.
[02:33:57]  Everybody should check it out.
[02:33:59]  Oh, that's fascinating.
[02:33:59]  I'll tell you what.
[02:34:01]  What we'll do is, well, for those of you on Twitter, because Bibi we know is on Twitter, we'll retweet it.
[02:34:07]  Bibi, if you tweet that, we'll retweet the link on O Wings Girl and on Dark Journalist.
[02:34:13]  That's fantastic.
[02:34:14]  I'd love to hear all about that.
[02:34:15]  And we haven't even touched that end of the spectrum when dealing with the devil.
[02:34:20]  So I'd love to hear about that.
[02:34:21]  And of course, Bibi has great stuff out there.
[02:34:24]  And there's quite a few people there.
[02:34:29]  On Twitter, just support.
[02:34:30]  You're having a great time on Twitter.
[02:34:31]  If you're not there, you are missing out.
[02:34:34]  You have to really curate your Twitter feed, but they're beautiful pictures and sentiments and quotes.
[02:34:44]  You can find a real community there.
[02:34:46]  I'll tell you what's good about Twitter it still has problems with censorship, but it doesn't have the draconian sucking your life out that Facebook does and just grabbing all your contacts and controlling your life.
[02:34:59]  So, it's a little bit looser of a format, and I do think there's great possibilities with it.
[02:35:05]  We'll see if the censorship keeps up, not so great, but we'll certainly find out.
[02:35:10]  And we will see you all next week.
[02:35:13]  Thanks so much for joining us.
[02:35:14]  Very deep topic, and we're going to take you there at Dark Journalist.
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[02:35:27]  And for everyone in the polar vortex, Hang in there.
[02:35:31]  The warm weather's got to be coming.
[02:35:34]  And if you see someone in that polar vortex, ask them if they're doing okay.
[02:35:39]  And have a great weekend, everyone.
[02:35:41]  We'll speak to you soon.
[02:35:43]  Bye, everybody.
[02:35:45]  Good night.
[02:35:46]  There has to be a, there's some kind of a lyric there with the devils, and we're going to do it.