Dark Journalist - DARK JOURNALIST X-SERIES 43: THOMAS TOWNSEND BROWN X-TECH UFO FILE & THE HOT ZONE!
Aired: 2019-01-12
Duration: 02:31:42


=== UFO File and X Tech Legacy (05:58) ===

[00:00:03]  And we are live.
[00:00:04]  This is Dark Journalists.
[00:00:06]  It's great to be here with everyone for Dark Journalists X Series episode 43.
[00:00:12]  We have a very special episode tonight because we're going to be dealing with the history and legacy of the UFO file and the X tech around it and the secrecy wall that was built there.
[00:00:26]  And one of the most fascinating characters in the middle of all this is someone named Thomas Townsend Brown.
[00:00:33]  And we're going to find.
[00:00:35]  That there's so much information about Thomas Townsend Brown that's not accurate out there.
[00:00:40]  And it's quite interesting to me because a lot of that is very much because of the fact that he operated in a number of black projects.
[00:00:49]  And so the history was intentionally skewed to hide the kind of advanced material that he was working on.
[00:00:56]  But we're going to find that over and over again when we review the historical record in relation to this particular advanced technology area, we're going to be looking at two groups.
[00:01:08]  One of the groups is very familiar to anyone who watches the program, and they are called X Protect.
[00:01:13]  And that's a group that largely works through the kind of darkest network of the intelligence agencies to suppress information related to the X technology.
[00:01:24]  And the other group, which I'm introducing here tonight, which we have alluded to but not named, and that group is called X Share.
[00:01:33]  And we're going to see how these two groups kind of outdance each other as we get along.
[00:01:38]  As usual, I'm joined by the lovely Olivia.
[00:01:40]  Hi, everybody.
[00:01:42]  And it's been a fantastic week.
[00:01:44]  We really had an excellent show last Friday, and thank you for all your feedback and comments on it, working on the eighth sphere and some of the deep ideas around anthroposophy.
[00:01:54]  Of course, as part of our 2019 projection, we're going to be going out deep into the esoteric side of the mystery schools and to the secret technology side.
[00:02:06]  And right there in the middle, you're going to find that geopolitical deep state process.
[00:02:11]  Over and over again, in my own research, I've found that you can't get one without the other.
[00:02:15]  So, getting very well acquainted with how the mystery schools operate and how they fuel the deep state, and how many of these battles that take place between these groups really take place first behind the scenes.
[00:02:30]  And then we start to get inklings of it on the surface.
[00:02:34]  And one of the great ones that's going on now that we're seeing is there's so many kind of legitimate arguments politically around this whole wall concept that's going on about building a wall across the southern border and the people who are against it and all the rest.
[00:02:50]  What's missed in all of the main reports on it, if you're not looking from what Professor Peter Dale Scott calls a deep state angle, is the whole idea that there are drugs flowing into the country from Central and South America.
[00:03:06]  And that open doorway, that wall, is going to prevent those states ultimately who are legalizing many of these drugs now from really being able to control the market.
[00:03:18]  And so much of this battle comes down, you know, beyond just the Outright looks of it, which is just the immigration side of the battle, which is one battle.
[00:03:26]  And you can take, you know, we've seen how certain types of immigration were a disaster on the globalist side in Europe.
[00:03:34]  But I think that we always need to look a little bit deeper when we're on this show, because we have the background of people like Peter Dale Scott, who let us know that there are things bubbling there beneath the surface that give us a much better picture of the political angles.
[00:03:49]  And so many of the wars, of course, from Afghanistan to Iraq to Vietnam.
[00:03:55]  Were drug wars.
[00:03:56]  So, we always have to keep that in mind as a major factor when looking at these various types of political pushes that happen pro and against.
[00:04:06]  You're looking at two sides fighting over something completely different than what we think they are.
[00:04:11]  And I see we have Gigi Young out there tonight, which is fantastic.
[00:04:15]  Of course, Gigi is a regular here with the X Series, and she's contributed fantastic.
[00:04:21]  It's great to have her out there.
[00:04:22]  Tonight's going to be very interesting because there's also something in the title you may have noticed called The Hot Zone.
[00:04:30]  Well, the hot zone is something that I have alluded to, but also not named until this episode.
[00:04:35]  So you can see that this episode is going to be the setup for a lot of different types of research inside of the ex steganography.
[00:04:42]  Now, briefly, I'll mention here that ex steganography is something that I came across in researching programs that were going black.
[00:04:52]  That is, there were all these government programs largely dealing with aerospace projects, space planes, and things like that from the 50s, 60s, and 70s.
[00:05:01]  And those programs would go black and then reemerge with an entirely different name.
[00:05:06]  And the name always had an X as a tag to it.
[00:05:09]  So it was the way that these groups could track their projects after the fact of them going public and continue to support them.
[00:05:18]  And steganography in this case really worked because it's something that has to be out there in plain sight where people would notice that you're hiding something or that you're running a code or a password that they can break.
[00:05:30]  And it's much better to do these things in a way where they just.
[00:05:34]  Become part of what people expect on a daily basis.
[00:05:36]  Well, here's the X 37B.
[00:05:38]  Fine, let's move that right down the line.
[00:05:41]  Now we have so much of it going on with companies like SpaceX, for example.
[00:05:46]  And a lot of this naming mechanism, the nomenclature itself, comes from really ancient times.
[00:05:57]  And they adopted it into 20th and 21st century secrecy programs in the political side.

=== Ancient Nomenclature in Modern Secrecy (13:42) ===

[00:06:02]  And that's really what we're getting into tonight.
[00:06:05]  But you can see in this program that those echoes go all the way back and further back to an advanced technology period, long, long distant antediluvian period of human history.
[00:06:16]  So it's quite a spectrum that we go into when you're looking at something coming from the ex steganography on a secrecy level here now in modern times versus the secrecy that the mystery schools have held out over long periods of time.
[00:06:34]  So we're going to get into tonight how this all relates to.
[00:06:38]  What we're looking at with the UFO file tonight.
[00:06:40]  And the UFO file is in the spotlight on this one as well.
[00:06:46]  But before we get into that, I'm going to mention that the hot zone relates to all of the work that we've been doing in relation to something special about those ruins off of Cuba and about the strange happenings in Cuba over the past, say, 70 years.
[00:07:01]  Most recently, with the American diplomats being drummed out of there by the dozens by these strange sound acoustic.
[00:07:09]  Concussions.
[00:07:11]  This is a very, very hardcore technique to keep the Americans out of Cuba.
[00:07:16]  And of course, during the period of the Obama presidency, right at the end, they finally reestablished relations with Cuba and they opened up an embassy, and that's how we got our guys in there.
[00:07:28]  And it wasn't really done with any fanfare.
[00:07:30]  It was kind of botched by the Obama administration.
[00:07:32]  It could have been a great coup, at least on the PR side, it could have been something else.
[00:07:39]  But What they got really was kind of like this last minute thrown together slapdash thing.
[00:07:44]  And we've been running with it ever since.
[00:07:46]  And of course, Castro died and it changed everything.
[00:07:49]  But the hot zone is something that is referred to now, and I'm finding links to it.
[00:07:56]  And one of the first things I got was contacted by somebody who dealt with oceanography and had quite a background in it, but was retired, but wanted to let me know that there was a particular name for an area that resided between Cuba and Yucatan.
[00:08:15]  This is a stretch now that we've seen and that we've pointed out.
[00:08:19]  Involves Paula Zelitsky's work, who has discovered all these ruins off of Cuba.
[00:08:24]  But over and over again, when we get into the work that we're doing here relating to the deep politics and some of the strange things that we've seen around the Kennedys' association with the Hemingways, for example, and how that all related to Cuba, that we were really looking at a large scale geopolitical secret that the people who were operating it knew what they were looking for.
[00:08:48]  And it had something to do with this strange.
[00:08:53]  Ruins off of Cuba and alluding to another civilization having been there and that sort of roadmap changing history.
[00:09:00]  Now, the hot zone is an area, according to all these details now, it's an area that resides under the ocean there where they're advised not to go.
[00:09:17]  And they are advised that if they are to see things that relate to this hot zone area, They are to report what they see and then never take a secrecy oath about it.
[00:09:28]  So, now the person that I spoke to about this was not a military person.
[00:09:34]  And, you know, I want to say to all those three letter agencies out there who are wondering about this, you know, this was not the kind of communication that took place over email or through traditional methods.
[00:09:46]  So, it's not going to, you know, it's not going to do you any good to search through my email files.
[00:09:51]  But I will say this that the Hot Zone.
[00:09:55]  Is something that we're looking at now as the reason for all this secrecy around this area.
[00:10:00]  And it does relate to very unusual effects that take place over this particular part of the ocean, one, and two, these strange ruins that reside off Cuba that the researcher Paulina Zelitsky had found in 2001, and which were national news and then were all clammed up by the American media.
[00:10:22]  And of course, she had some kind of silence agreement herself.
[00:10:26]  So that story just hangs out there.
[00:10:28]  And with all of the work that we've done on this show relating to these lost cultures and the sort of big secret of that area, and the Casey readings mentioning Bimini being the site of Poseidonia, which was a major temple complex for this ancient culture before it sank, all of these things start to come together when we look at what's going on in relation to the X tech inside of the secrecy.
[00:10:57]  So, this is going to really help us.
[00:10:59]  Orient ourselves.
[00:11:01]  You are getting a little notice to slightly fix your tie.
[00:11:05]  No, no, this is a journalist's tie.
[00:11:07]  Now it's going to get worse.
[00:11:08]  This is it.
[00:11:10]  No, no.
[00:11:11]  Some people in the audience really like things symmetrical.
[00:11:14]  No, no, no.
[00:11:15]  There's not going to be any of that.
[00:11:18]  But I will say this that it's kind of fascinating to me because I think part of the benefit of looking at both of these things at once, because very often, It's very strange when you look at this part of, say, the Bermuda Triangle and things that happen in that area.
[00:11:37]  We're getting a lot of reports down there, if you look at it, an incredible amount of reports of unusual UFO activity.
[00:11:45]  I want to briefly touch on a company that works with a company called, this is a government agency now called ATEC, which is basically an underwater Area 51 where they work with these things, but it's actually off Cuba that they do this.
[00:12:04]  So again, we have this intrigue around Cuba.
[00:12:07]  And I'll tell you that it seems lately, no matter what direction that we go in, that Cuba becomes more and more the mystery.
[00:12:15]  And that many of the answers, I think, is going to.
[00:12:18]  That's going to come into this is relating to Cuba.
[00:12:23]  So we're going to go that far.
[00:12:25]  The UFO file, also, I think I want to say this that in the X shows, we've done something quite remarkable, which is we brought the X Deganography view and it has lifted up our eyes about what's going on in relation to the UFO file.
[00:12:41]  The UFO file, which has been loaded with disinformation and everything from galactic ambassadors to fake government.
[00:12:53]  To try to make it look like there's an alien invasion or marketing operations like TTSA surrounded by CIA people.
[00:13:01]  These things have been going on for a long time and they obfuscate the actual truth about what's happening in relation to this, as does this whole kind of marketing wing of the fire in the sky movies and all this kind of thing about be terrified of aliens and the entertainment side of that.
[00:13:18]  I mean, it has a kind of.
[00:13:22]  You know, it just reflects that kind of 21st century culture that we're in, which is very marketing driven.
[00:13:28]  However, the UFO file and the researchers around it, some of the best people have taken a crack at it and brought some of that secrecy forward.
[00:13:36]  And the things that we've been able to bring forward here on this program for the first time are things like the fact that Vannevar Bush was controlling the UFO file, but he was also the mentor to Professor John Trump.
[00:13:53]  Now, it was known that Vannevar Bush.
[00:13:57]  Was involved with the UFO file.
[00:13:59]  But tying these things in together is what's giving us this larger, kind of wide angle lens view.
[00:14:05]  And that's where I think we really want to go with this.
[00:14:08]  And so it's a fantastic crowd.
[00:14:11]  How are we doing out there, Miss Olivia?
[00:14:12]  We're doing great.
[00:14:13]  Everybody is actually pretty calm and respectful tonight.
[00:14:16]  I haven't had to really boot it into you yet.
[00:14:19]  That's good.
[00:14:19]  No troll patrol as yet.
[00:14:23]  Of course, the bigger these shows get, I think we had 3,000 people.
[00:14:27]  And one of the streams last week.
[00:14:29]  And this is what happens is, you know, the information is getting out there.
[00:14:34]  And along with that, you get a lot of, you know, you get targeted for different types of disinformation, but we don't pay much attention to it.
[00:14:41]  And they don't actually tend to do very well in our live stream.
[00:14:46]  What we do have instead of a chat is an ideas room with some of the most remarkable people.
[00:14:51]  And I think that this really is unique in terms of a lot of the live stream activity that we see.
[00:14:58]  We really have an incredible.
[00:15:00]  Audience, and I want to thank you right now for the beginning of 2019 for all that you've done for us in 2018, submitting ideas, thoughts, and opinions, and even criticisms at times.
[00:15:15]  It's been very helpful, and you know, it goes a long way towards helping us get that wonderful interactive thing going.
[00:15:24]  I remember there was someone who sent me a thing, and you know, but this is good too.
[00:15:29]  It was kind of funny.
[00:15:30]  They sent me this thing of this Australian woman who lived in Alice Springs, and her thing, and I don't do a good Australian accent, but she said something to the effect of, you know, I live in Alice Springs and there are no UFOs in Pine Gap, you know.
[00:15:44]  And I was, my thought instantly was, we have to get people to understand secrecy a little bit better.
[00:15:50]  This is just one of those things, you know, and, you know, that's not the kind of thing where they're going to say, come on in, it's open house, come and look at the UFOs in the Hangar One.
[00:15:58]  It doesn't work that way.
[00:16:00]  And the better we get that message across that there's a large scale level of Government secrecy when it comes to advanced technology, and that America in particular has that influence in far flung regions of the globe because of the incredible power change that took place after World War II.
[00:16:21]  And we can't just kind of imagine that the things that are happening that we hear about are, we can't take them for granted, especially because large scale mass media is under the influence of the Council on Foreign Relations.
[00:16:35]  And If you're a journalist and you don't play into that crowd, then you're not going to get very far.
[00:16:43]  So, you know, I've seen that type of thing happen too, where people have this, well, let's say that independent streak, when we see people come forward, they're the first ones to get attacked too.
[00:16:58]  And that also goes for some whistleblowers when it comes to financial companies, like, for example, Goldman Sachs and one of their directors came forward.
[00:17:07]  Over a decade ago, that's Nomi Prince, and we get such fantastic information from her.
[00:17:11]  But it takes the kind of courage inside the system, they want to do something.
[00:17:16]  And that's another thing, which is there are people inside the government structure, inside the political structure, who by getting this information out, we're doing them a favor.
[00:17:27]  So, in that sense, you know, you could even say it's not anti government at all.
[00:17:30]  What it is is it's pro good government and anti clandestine government.
[00:17:35]  So, that's what we do here on Dark Journalist.
[00:17:40]  I think when we get into the UFO file and the X tech, it's really something that we need to understand on a large scale basis.
[00:17:48]  And so this is where we're rolling for that.
[00:17:50]  So I'm going to go into some of this.
[00:17:52]  But as I do, Miss Olivia, I'm checking in with you.
[00:17:55]  Do you want to add something here?
[00:17:58]  Can I throw you a question?
[00:18:00]  Sure.
[00:18:00]  OK.
[00:18:00]  Griffin Eagle 7 wanted to know Is World War III going to start in a location where a civilization fell beneath the waves?
[00:18:09]  Well, you almost had it over the Cuban Missile Crisis, actually.
[00:18:14]  That is kind of target zero for where this civilization was.
[00:18:20]  And it's amazing that the western tip of Cuba, just what a focal point it's been for activity.
[00:18:27]  And that's exactly where those ruins are.
[00:18:29]  So it's a very interesting question.
[00:18:32]  You know, from our perspective, coming from the knowledge base of this show, a lot of things that relate to, like, the two eye stone.
[00:18:41]  And the ancient technology and how that all works.
[00:18:45]  Countries are very interested in that.
[00:18:47]  They're also very interested in things that we don't really talk about very much in public, like how do water currents impact power?
[00:19:00]  We talk a lot on this program about an effect called apotheum.
[00:19:04]  And apotheum is quite remarkable, actually, because this is something, it's a term that is derived from the Greek.
[00:19:14]  And it represents this kind of runaway effect.
[00:19:16]  I call it a runaway physics.
[00:19:18]  And we often see this in relation to when the UFO shows up and when a mass sighting happens.
[00:19:24]  You know, strange things happen in those places like blackouts or missing time, you know, people's cars don't start and all that kind of thing.
[00:19:32]  It seems to have a very negative impact on normal electromagnetic reality.
[00:19:37]  So it creates something that I call a reality distortion field, so much so that people lose time, which is, I think, quite remarkable.

=== Literary Figures and Breakthrough Tech (08:12) ===

[00:19:45]  And we're going to get deep into that tonight.
[00:19:48]  And why it's important for us to look at figures like Thomas Townsend Brown, for example, Is these are people who made a contribution to history and who it seems to me, when we look at them, their work is very shadowy in the sense that we can't really get the details because those details have been suppressed because of the types of projects that they worked on.
[00:20:13]  But we have to remember there are a lot of people who have high standards and high ideals who work in those secret programs.
[00:20:21]  And we have to kind of develop a type of partnership.
[00:20:26]  With them here on the outside, with them being on the inside, and that we're both after the same thing.
[00:20:31]  And so when we introduce tonight the X Protect group coming out of this secrecy at all costs type group, very much associated with the CIA and clandestine operations and contractors around that, that whole deep state wing, you know, looking at that and how that becomes then the X Protect becomes an outgrowth of that.
[00:20:56]  Will basically operate without any rules or any laws in order to accomplish certain things.
[00:21:02]  And they will apply their own rules of justice to protect the information and the secrecy that they have.
[00:21:08]  And they're not necessarily protecting it from another country, for example, but they like their power base and they don't want to upset the Apple card.
[00:21:16]  The X Share group, which I believe gets us deeper now with a figure like Thomas Townsend Brown, I put him more in this category because of his close association with.
[00:21:28]  Physicist Robert Saarbacher, which we're going to get into tonight, which I think is absolutely riveting and is really going to be explosive.
[00:21:34]  And it's something that we've been waiting to connect all these dots with.
[00:21:38]  But I do want to put out there that the X Share group really finds a major leader by the time we get to JFK's presidency.
[00:21:53]  And in fact, you know, we have memos of JFK.
[00:21:57]  Instructing the Central Intelligence Agency and NASA to share some of the high threat cases involving the UFO file with their Russian counterparts.
[00:22:08]  And as we know, Douglas Caddy, who's the Watergate lawyer who came on this program and said that his friend E. Howard Hunt, who was the CIA super spy and also very, very much involved in Cuba, told him that Kennedy, the assassination came out of this whole idea of him wanting to share what was in the UFO file.
[00:22:29]  Now, Those are facts on the record.
[00:22:32]  So they're not something that we have to speculate so much on.
[00:22:36]  We can see that Kennedy was after doing this.
[00:22:41]  It's a matter of record.
[00:22:42]  And now we have a deeper insight from a historical figure, the Watergate lawyer, telling us what the CIA super spy told him.
[00:22:50]  That gives us a real basis for a viewpoint as opposed to just speculating about it.
[00:22:56]  So we have that really solid foundation.
[00:23:00]  X share group, meaning the X technology is going to be something that the whole world is going to be able to benefit from.
[00:23:05]  There are a number of scientists who fall into that, and Robert Oppenheimer is another one.
[00:23:11]  And Oppenheimer comes up in this relation too, because Sarbaker mentioned him in relation to who ran the UFO file.
[00:23:18]  So let's back up a minute and jump to Sarbacher, and that will let us in to the figure of Thomas Townsend Brown, who I think is largely misunderstood or not acknowledged for the incredible contributions that he made.
[00:23:35]  And I don't think, you know, once in a while when you're working in the UFO arena or the alternative independent research arena, some characters just come up as a punchline, you know, like when you want to say something exotic, you'll say, Somebody will say, well, you know, that's like Tesla and his wireless energy or something, you know, and not really understand the deeper significance of the whole thing.
[00:24:01]  And I think that we now can get past the punchlines deeper into the actual people.
[00:24:06]  And that's going to make a big difference.
[00:24:08]  But I want to start with this actually, which is speaking of Tesla, his great friendship with Mark Twain.
[00:24:15]  And here's an actual photo.
[00:24:16]  This is a rare photo.
[00:24:17]  And somebody sent me some remarkable photos.
[00:24:20]  But this is actually Mark Twain in Tesla's lab.
[00:24:23]  Isn't that so?
[00:24:23]  What is he holding?
[00:24:24]  That is one of the.
[00:24:26]  Tesla, you know, those little electricity and orbs that he would develop.
[00:24:32]  And is that Tesla behind him?
[00:24:33]  That is Tesla, it is indeed.
[00:24:35]  It's quite a remarkable photo.
[00:24:37]  It's from 1903 in Tesla's lab.
[00:24:40]  And I want to point out over and over again, we see this combination of literary figures around breakthrough technology.
[00:24:50]  And as we know from the work of Emma Britton through Theosophy, who was also, Theosophy is going to make an appearance in the middle of this presentation.
[00:25:00]  But we also know through Emma Britton that the Orphic Circle and the people who were using her as a somnambulist trance channel in order to get information were split basically between two types of people high ranking politicians and major literary figures.
[00:25:16]  There was some symbiosis there in the late 19th century going on.
[00:25:20]  And here we see again this kind of remarkable mind of Twain and great storytelling with the incredible breakthrough of his friendship with Nikola Tesla.
[00:25:30]  And of course, Tesla.
[00:25:32]  Was making energy wireless and it was going to be free energy.
[00:25:37]  So that's where that term comes from.
[00:25:41]  So the towers and the things that he built would beam energy the same way that we beam wireless waves to communicate on the internet now.
[00:25:49]  So it does represent a very different paradigm for what the world could be.
[00:25:53]  And I think that that's remarkably important for us to keep in mind that we really are talking about two tracks here.
[00:26:01]  And the track that we're on represents the covert.
[00:26:05]  Government, the covert groups having the upper hand and the overt groups being shunted aside.
[00:26:12]  So, in a sense, you could say that the covert groups represent X Protect, if you really extrapolate it out, and the overt groups represent X Share, which is about sharing the information that's in that UFO file.
[00:26:28]  And it is quite remarkable to see those battles play out now.
[00:26:31]  You know, we've seen with Trump and the Space Force, he's trying to get his hands on.
[00:26:37]  Some of that deeper because he has the great background from John Trump.
[00:26:40]  So this is the way it works.
[00:26:41]  Yes.
[00:26:42]  Thomas Tyson has the best quote.
[00:26:44]  So he says, A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to put its pants on.
[00:26:50]  That's Mark Twain.
[00:26:51]  That's pretty good.
[00:26:52]  That may be the quote of the night.
[00:26:54]  That's before a YouTube video could go viral, too.
[00:26:56]  That's really amazing.
[00:26:59]  It is interesting.
[00:27:00]  And Twain was an absolute genius and had a lot of heart, too, a lot of integrity.
[00:27:06]  Yes.
[00:27:07]  I think in a lot of political correctness, they tried to.
[00:27:11]  You know, because his books were about Tom Sawyer and the Mississippi and, you know, slaves and all this kind of stuff.
[00:27:17]  And he was reflecting the times.
[00:27:19]  And very often you see these people kind of marginalized because of being associated with that.
[00:27:24]  But it's ridiculous because they were geniuses and they were giving us this background.
[00:27:28]  It's like Stephen Foster and his great song.
[00:27:30]  Yeah, we shouldn't whitewash history either.
[00:27:33]  Absolutely.
[00:27:34]  Absolutely.
[00:27:35]  You know, there was some song, I forget what it was, but we were thinking they're going to ban this song because they're so good at banning things now.
[00:27:45]  And earlier.
[00:27:46]  Oh, left and right.
[00:27:47]  You hear something on the radio from.
[00:27:49]  You know, 20 years back, and oh, this is going to go.
[00:27:52]  Well, we see over and over again, it comes down to what Thomas Jefferson said, which is freedom.

=== China's Truth Ranking System (03:47) ===

[00:27:57]  You know, that's the really core principle.
[00:27:59]  And as we're getting into that, look at what's gone on in the past year with social media and all the clampdowns on shows like what we do.
[00:28:09]  And some high profile shows have just been eliminated and thrown off the social media networks completely, saying that, you know, they have a kind of a code to maintain and they want to be able to determine what's news and what's not.
[00:28:20]  Don't work that way in a free market, the people get to decide, and uh, so they know that their propaganda was losing, you know, kind of losing hold.
[00:28:31]  And we're in the middle of that now, of course.
[00:28:32]  We saw this story uh, from earlier today that uh, was it Jim Roy who sent that over?
[00:28:37]  Yes, News Guard, and News Guard, you know, there have been these movements before, but now they're trying to bring this ranking system.
[00:28:44]  I won't go off on too much of a tiz about this, but they're bringing this ranking system in this like truth ranking system in, and this is how China does it.
[00:28:52]  You know, we were just reading about someone who was.
[00:28:55]  thrown in jail for tweeting in China.
[00:28:57]  I mean, China does not have the tradition of liberty that we have in America.
[00:29:05]  And the idea of us adopting their rules for online censorship is absolutely bogus, but it shows that there was a time there, starting in the 90s, where we just transferred our sovereignty through the technology companies over to China.
[00:29:22]  And this is what we get back, adopting their rules.
[00:29:25]  And now they're trying to lay that On us through these ranking systems, and they're going to show you a green flag for sites that are good and spew the company line, and they're going to show you a red X, you know, and we're going to know what the X means.
[00:29:38]  So, but it is quite fascinating, isn't it?
[00:29:40]  I think, in particular, when you're doing this kind of work, it definitely sends a chill.
[00:29:45]  Would you agree?
[00:29:46]  I would, I'm definitely chilly.
[00:29:51]  Chilling out.
[00:29:52]  I'm going to remind everyone you're watching Dark Journalist.
[00:29:54]  It's fantastic to have everyone here, it's a great crowd already.
[00:29:58]  And we're going deep tonight into X Protect and the UFO file through the figure of Thomas Townsend Brown, who's really someone who gave us so many innovations, not just in electrogravitics, but in really how we think about space and how we think about the technologies that we have and the direction that we're going in.
[00:30:23]  I do want to say that one of the things that you want to do is go to darkjournalist.com and sign up.
[00:30:29]  For our newsletter to keep us in touch since we're talking about these social media crackdowns.
[00:30:34]  And what that is going to do is give us a pipeline there back and forth with each other that doesn't rely on any social media thing.
[00:30:41]  So if we wake up one day and that's all gone, hey, we still have that communication going.
[00:30:45]  And you'll just get an email about once a week and it'll let you know what shows are coming up and what guests and what X topics that we're covering here on the program.
[00:30:54]  So that's particularly important.
[00:30:57]  And I find over and over again, That's the best way for people to stay in touch because sometimes people will check my Facebook and say this wasn't listed.
[00:31:05]  It's like you get the newsletter, it's the best way to go because that tends to be the one.
[00:31:09]  But we try.
[00:31:10]  And I recommend that you join us on Twitter at darkjournalist and facebook.com, darkjournalist, forward slash darkjournalist, also, because it's great to have those conversations, opening up the conversation everywhere.
[00:31:22]  That's exactly what we're about here on the program.
[00:31:27]  Okay, so I think it's important, since we mentioned Sarbarker, to really kind of spell out what is going on there and why this becomes so important.
[00:31:39]  So I want to show a kind of lineage.
[00:31:42]  About the UFO file.

=== Transhumanism and the Death List (05:38) ===

[00:31:44]  So, as we know, and if you watch this program, this figure, Robert Sauerbarker, was a major physicist of his time, someone who was really on the level of, say, like Robert Oppenheimer.
[00:31:58]  And, you know, he was highly acclaimed, featured in the New York Times, the Saturday Evening Post.
[00:32:03]  He was somebody who was well known.
[00:32:05]  And he worked, according to some documents that were declassified, about his conversations with a Canadian official called Wilbert Smith.
[00:32:16]  Now, that conversation talked about the fact that Sarbaka was saying, yes, there's a program studying UFOs, and we have done crash retrieval stuff.
[00:32:29]  And the person who's in charge of the program is Vannevar Bush.
[00:32:32]  Of course, we've done a few episodes on Vannevar Bush, but just to give you a recap, Vannevar Bush was really somebody who became the scientific leader in the government, and he worked under Roosevelt and Truman.
[00:32:48]  And for so many years, and the National Science Council.
[00:32:54]  And he was also the leader of the Carnegie Foundation.
[00:32:57]  So he has this incredible background.
[00:33:00]  And he was someone who they trusted to develop these innovations during World War II.
[00:33:07]  And he was a major leader in the Rad Lab, which took place about 10 minutes from here, actually, at MIT.
[00:33:18]  Gave us the best of the best, including the Varian brothers, very tied into theosophy, but they became the people who developed things like particle accelerators and the Klystrin.
[00:33:30]  So those innovations all came out of this group that was in the Rad Lab, and they really helped us win World War II.
[00:33:38]  Now, when we look at what Sarbacher was suggesting later through the work of some researchers that caught him.
[00:33:51]  Maybe off guard.
[00:33:53]  I don't know.
[00:33:54]  It is quite interesting when you look at the letters back and forth and the follow up phone conversations.
[00:33:59]  You can see that Saar Barker is giving away in almost a casual fashion what would seem to be quite high secrecy information.
[00:34:08]  So, in effect, what he says is these three major points one, that we had this UFO recon program, and that in redeveloping the UFOs, we were trying to advance the technology, and that the people who were involved were one, Vannevar Bush.
[00:34:24]  Of course, Sar Barker himself, Arthur Compton, and these are all Nobel Prize winning physicists, and Robert Oppenheimer, and John von Neumann, who becomes a very important character in all this.
[00:34:41]  I want to say something about Neumann here, which is that CERN, as we did a couple of programs here with Gigi Young, actually, analyzing the CERN Tarot Deck, which was a tarot deck that CERN had their artist in residence.
[00:34:57]  Compile and using these historical figures and attributing these unusual things to them.
[00:35:02]  And in CERN's setup, they had John von Neumann, who was another one of these Rad Lab scientists, who was a very advanced physicist and became really the father of the computer age through his development of working with this quantum mechanics idea and processor technology.
[00:35:22]  He really is the main person that gave us the whole computer logic.
[00:35:27]  But they list him as death, which I find really quite remarkable.
[00:35:31]  I mean, it's strange enough that the CERN project decided to make a tarot deck, but then to list him as death, I think, is also quite unusual.
[00:35:42]  And what's also interesting is for those of you who know that we cover transhumanism a good deal on this program, and that transhumanism is one of the great champions that is working for the singularity of man merging into machines in this very, very unusual fantasy that they're having.
[00:36:05]  Well, is Ray Kurzweil, and Kurzweil says that transhumanism, at least his version of transhumanism, comes from von Neumann.
[00:36:14]  So, when we're talking about von Neumann, and we have Sar Barker indicating that he took over the UFO file after Compton, we're getting into very interesting territory because if they're studying the UFO file on one hand and they come to the solution that we're going to go transhumanist, then it's probably important for us to get a look at what they are seeing in looking at the UFO file and working with it.
[00:36:37]  One of the very, very unusual things that Sarbaker said was that they deduced that the people, quote unquote, that were operating these things must have had bodies like insects in order to withstand the kind of g forces that were taking place, the sudden accelerations, et cetera, which I found really quite remarkable.
[00:36:59]  And Sarbaker, about 18 months off of.
[00:37:07]  Exposing these things in the 80s had a very unusual experience, and UFO expert Wendell Stevens describes it where Sarbuck went out to his car and there was some kind of a jelly mass on the door handle, and later he went to the emergency room and died.

=== Men in Black and Insect Bodies (15:14) ===

[00:37:23]  You know, you could say.
[00:37:25]  Did he test that material?
[00:37:28]  You know, I don't think anyone has an actual readout of it, I suppose that they could imagine, but he did complain that there was something on his door handle, so we know that.
[00:37:38]  But it was kind of like a jelly.
[00:37:39]  And of course, the CIA is famous for doing this, and this is how these intelligence groups eliminate unsavory figures or people that are targeted.
[00:37:47]  But I do feel that in Saabarker's case, he had to be punished.
[00:37:54]  And I've shown it over and over again where Saabarker is little by little just kind of eliminated out of history to the point where now this is somebody, remember, on the level of J. Robert Oppenheimer, and he's on that level.
[00:38:05]  If you go to Wikipedia, you will find it says, Non person, basically, there's nobody in that entry.
[00:38:13]  That's a public encyclopedia, and there's no entry for Robert Saarbarker.
[00:38:19]  It's absurd.
[00:38:20]  Saarbarker is intentionally left out of history, but why?
[00:38:24]  Well, he worked very closely with the X technology inside the UFO file, and he was somebody who works in this kind of X share world, let's call it.
[00:38:38]  He is obviously somebody in giving that interview.
[00:38:41]  Who did not want the veil of secrecy to be held over these things?
[00:38:45]  And over and over again, he says, I can't imagine for the life of me why they would still keep this stuff secret.
[00:38:51]  Well, that's 1983 that he's giving these interviews, long retired.
[00:38:56]  You know, he was active in the 40s and 50s and 60s.
[00:38:59]  So he's in 83 and he's saying this.
[00:39:02]  It's quite unusual if you think about it.
[00:39:07]  And I would say that, you know, when you look back on it now, if you look, that's some 35 years ago.
[00:39:15]  And he's saying, why are they keeping this stuff hidden then?
[00:39:17]  And we have to ask ourselves, why, except for some cheap shots from Harry Reid trying to get, you know, his Podesta UFO fantasy off the ground.
[00:39:29]  Why don't we have any real good facts on it?
[00:39:32]  What happened there?
[00:39:33]  What's the disconnect?
[00:39:34]  I showed on this program the disconnect of the moon program and how we sent up our last manned mission there.
[00:39:42]  We're talking the early 70s, 71 and 72.
[00:39:48]  We've had nothing since then.
[00:39:50]  There's no explanation for 50 years, almost 50 years of dormant activity, except for these occasional probes and things that we sent out.
[00:40:01]  Now, all of a sudden, boom.
[00:40:03]  There's this infrastructure up there, and we're setting up this privatization of all these companies.
[00:40:07]  But it's quite unusual when you think about it.
[00:40:09]  It's a great mystery, and that is a public mystery.
[00:40:11]  And that's how we're going to be able to navigate this because we don't have to use so much speculation as we have to use the facts on the ground.
[00:40:20]  And the facts on the ground, I think, in this case, are very, very telling.
[00:40:23]  So, Sarbacher gives us the lineage, and I want us to really reflect on this lineage.
[00:40:29]  Now, I just showed you the death card.
[00:40:31]  That's von Neumann there, who became a consultant to the Rand Corporation.
[00:40:37]  And he has, you know, he had really remarkable accolades all through his career.
[00:40:44]  And he's somebody really who gets looked at as the father of computing.
[00:40:49]  So, Sarbacher's saying Neumann, very important.
[00:40:54]  Nine years of heading up the UFO file.
[00:41:01]  John Trump is in the Rad Lab, Uncle John Trump, Professor Trump.
[00:41:07]  At MIT.
[00:41:09]  Of course, you know, I tell the story sometimes that Olivia and I went over to MIT and got his records, and the records were in box X, which here's that, you know, that router, that indicator, the X steganography there, you know, you're just going to run into it.
[00:41:27]  And I didn't find anything too, too remarkable in the file itself, but just the fact that, you know, I didn't expect to.
[00:41:33]  But the idea that Trump being a part of that Vannevar Bush UFO file thing and then Donald Trump getting to be president and always reflecting back on his close relationship with his uncle.
[00:41:47]  We have to roll these things around in our mind to understand that the battle that's taking place over this kind of X technology is reaching very deeply into our normal, everyday political process.
[00:41:59]  Just like we started off with that whole wall thing, these things have implications, and the Space Force has a massive implication because, of course, as we pointed out, Trump, when he announces the Space Force, there's no way on earth that he can get the Space Force.
[00:42:13]  Without congressional approval, so saying I'm instructing them to start the space force, you can't do it.
[00:42:20]  Uh, and also a very telling comment, I think, in there was establishing the space force as a um war fighting domain.
[00:42:31]  You know, we have treaties against having war um space weapons, so when you break the treaty, that's grounds for war.
[00:42:40]  So we don't want that.
[00:42:41]  So it's very interesting the PR that's playing out around this.
[00:42:44]  Let's take a look before we get into.
[00:42:49]  Thomas Brown.
[00:42:50]  Let's give maybe some people here that are kind of on his side of the fence.
[00:42:57]  Let's take a look at a few pictures.
[00:42:59]  This picture, actually, let's start with this one.
[00:43:04]  This picture is President Harry Truman with his national science advisor, the head of the Science Council, Vannevar Bush.
[00:43:15]  Let's get that one out.
[00:43:16]  Here's Vannevar Bush.
[00:43:18]  And he's giving a medal here, a conduct medal to the president of Harvard at the time.
[00:43:26]  Now, let's keep in mind that our friend Truman was president when all of the UFO activity took place.
[00:43:34]  All those cases that we hear about Aztec, Roswell, all of it.
[00:43:38]  And also that one of the major cases that took place in 1941 took place in Missouri when he was the senator there.
[00:43:46]  So he's very well versed in the whole topic and he gets briefed on it monthly.
[00:43:51]  You know, he's always getting these briefings, and there's a record of that.
[00:43:55]  So, Truman, we know, was very deeply involved in the UFO file.
[00:44:00]  Here's Truman with Frank Edwards, the UFO author, after he's left the presidency.
[00:44:06]  And that UFO author wrote the book on the men in black, actually, but wrote a great deal about this X Protect group.
[00:44:14]  He didn't call it X Protect, that's the language, the nomenclature there.
[00:44:19]  But it is something to keep in mind that there we have.
[00:44:23]  You know, this dedication in this picture saying, you know, to Frank from your friend Harry Truman.
[00:44:29]  And in fact, they had this close relationship.
[00:44:31]  Now, let's look a few years down the road.
[00:44:34]  And here again, we have Truman with President Kennedy.
[00:44:40]  Now, Truman is a very interesting figure through all of this because we have to understand that he set up the deep examination of the UFO file in the first place.
[00:44:48]  So when we look at him operating with people like Vannevar Bush, we trust to head it up.
[00:44:54]  With people who are researching it, like journalist Frank Edwards, come up with all those stories about the men in black, which seemed fantastic.
[00:45:00]  And yet, there he is with Harry Truman, and he's a very well respected journalist.
[00:45:05]  Even though later, you know, people will make movies and all the rest of it about the men in black, he is, in fact, bringing forward facts that nobody else had at the time.
[00:45:16]  According to Colonel Phil Corso, the Kennedys were deeply, deeply interested in the UFO file because.
[00:45:25]  JFK had the background in the Navy and had the background through his friend, James Forrestal.
[00:45:32]  James Forrestal, being the first defense secretary who, after working, was actually eliminated by the X Protect group, and they did it in a very unceremonious fashion, throwing him out the window and pretending it was a suicide.
[00:45:45]  But the Kennedys, their track was, again, this X Share thing.
[00:45:51]  They wanted to get their hands on the UFO file, they wanted to get their hands on the material that was being worked on.
[00:45:58]  Because they understood the implications.
[00:46:00]  And I think this is how we need to look at it.
[00:46:04]  And what's fascinating is one of the things that Corso had to say about Robert Kennedy is that he absolutely grilled him on the subject.
[00:46:16]  And Corso was very, running the Foreign Technology Office, knew an awful lot about what they were doing to redevelop the UFO aspect.
[00:46:23]  So we have to kind of see that the big push around space and the things that happened in the 60s.
[00:46:28]  The missing chapter there, you know, when you watch like a PBS documentary on the Kennedys and they're like, oh, he wanted the country to go to the moon and stuff.
[00:46:36]  A lot of it, though, is really about getting control of the space aspect because they see the danger of these groups working in the wings developing invisible power.
[00:46:47]  And, you know, I've called out those groups on a number of occasions because they work under something called continuity of government laws.
[00:46:54]  And the continuity of government laws are set up in the event of a national emergency or a nuclear emergency.
[00:47:01]  So those are classified documents and you can never get a look at them.
[00:47:05]  And so many of those rules are used to subvert the Constitution.
[00:47:10]  So, the Kennedys were trying to pull that back, and this is the great missing part of it.
[00:47:14]  There was a war going on there about the UFO file.
[00:47:17]  If we don't understand that, the rest of the message around that period doesn't make any sense.
[00:47:22]  That's a major turning point where the group associated with X Protect decides the X Share group has to go.
[00:47:30]  So, we've been seeing that war played out a lot.
[00:47:33]  And I think in the case of Thomas Townsend Brown, it plays into it also.
[00:47:39]  So, let's keep rolling.
[00:47:41]  Brown himself.
[00:47:43]  Is quite interesting.
[00:47:43]  And just before we get into that section, you know, one of the things I bring up often on this program is that Jim Garrison, who's well known for investigating the Kennedy assassination, actually laid it, in his final analysis, he laid it inside the aerospace industry.
[00:48:05]  That's where he felt it came from.
[00:48:07]  So he was pointing directly at this X Protect group residing inside the national security state.
[00:48:12]  And that is important because that structure.
[00:48:16]  Of these government programs working with these aerospace military contractors like Lockheed, et cetera, it is invisible power and there's no way to keep it accountable.
[00:48:26]  And over and over again, we come back to this conclusion, which is if you don't open that up, then you become the United States of Lockheed.
[00:48:34]  And finally, on the Kennedy tip, just to keep in mind that Kennedy was in the Navy and he operated for naval intelligence.
[00:48:42]  And in fact, he had access to very early UFO reports.
[00:48:47]  So, we need to keep that in mind in considering this.
[00:48:50]  So, now we're going to go into Tom's Tonson Brown and Olivia.
[00:48:54]  How are we doing up there?
[00:48:55]  We're doing great.
[00:48:55]  So, Najat Madri said, Does Daniel think Trump is watching?
[00:48:59]  Can you imagine?
[00:49:00]  Marty Ross says, Yes, interested if any signs of Donald Trump and his people are tuning into this channel.
[00:49:06]  And Gigi answered and said, Trump was caught taking notes in Oval Office during DJ's videos.
[00:49:14]  I think, you know, she has the super cam.
[00:49:17]  You know, we know that Donald Trump doesn't have a very.
[00:49:20]  Long attention span.
[00:49:22]  So I don't, I think the only thing I could see him doing is having somebody else watch, take notes for him, and then brief him on the topics.
[00:49:29]  Not out of the question.
[00:49:30]  I'll put it to you this way there has to be one thing that we know for a fact is that in relation to the Nixon time capsule, that the elements around the Trump administration were very interested in that.
[00:49:45]  There's no question about it.
[00:49:47]  I can tell you that from my own personal experience.
[00:49:52]  Since we mentioned that, you know, there's a viewer out there named Kimberly who was in the Nixon library.
[00:50:00]  This is just a remarkable trick of fate.
[00:50:02]  But when she was in there, I took a picture of Nixon here, and you can see the most incredible thing happens when the sun comes through there is that this ex just sort of randomly shows up on Nixon's picture.
[00:50:16]  It's so great.
[00:50:18]  He can't get anywhere.
[00:50:19]  He looks so soulful in that show.
[00:50:21]  He does.
[00:50:23]  One thing I will say in relation to Nixon and the time capsule, which is that this also relates very much to what we're discussing here, because Nixon caught himself in between.
[00:50:33]  He was playing both sides, basically, with X Protect and X Share.
[00:50:38]  And he had worked for a CIA blue book when he was vice president under Eisenhower.
[00:50:43]  And there's a lot of whistleblower testimony about that.
[00:50:47]  And of course, the whistleblower I spoke to who worked in the Houston plan was Robert Merritt.
[00:50:52]  And Robert Merritt gave us the great detail of Nixon informing him that he had this information that he was going to leave as a time capsule.
[00:51:02]  And I think that this is quite remarkable because it relates to making America energy independent and ultimately the world.
[00:51:10]  And that is exactly what was taking place there.
[00:51:13]  And that was so much of the dance that took place around Pine Gap.
[00:51:19]  Also, that's something to really keep in mind.
[00:51:23]  Olivia, I think it's just me, but this table seems further away from me than I thought before.
[00:51:27]  Let's hope it doesn't get.
[00:51:30]  You're watching The Dark Journalist Show.
[00:51:31]  We're great to have everyone here.
[00:51:33]  This is episode 43, and we're going deep on Thomas Townsend Brown and the hot zone in relation to the UFO file.
[00:51:44]  Now, the lineage that Robert Sarbacher, who is a close associate of Brown's, as we're going to discover, Physicist Sarbarker went on the record and gave us something that I think really people who are in the UFO research field kind of miss in a way.
[00:52:01]  And really, when we have all this stuff going off about, oh, we need disclosure and the government should give it to us, and we are losing a lot of points here because there's so much research that if we just connect those dots, we get so many of those answers.
[00:52:17]  And so the effort, I think, needs to be directed towards what we have.
[00:52:21]  And that opens things up.
[00:52:22]  And we have quite a bit now.
[00:52:25]  Let's keep this in mind.
[00:52:26]  Saar Barker, the physicist, said yes, we had a UFO file, a reconnaissance program, a crash retrieval program, a redevelopment program on the record.

=== Project Invisibility and Tesla Links (06:12) ===

[00:52:38]  Who ran it?
[00:52:38]  Vannevar Bush.
[00:52:40]  Who took over?
[00:52:42]  Arthur Compton.
[00:52:45]  Who took over after that?
[00:52:47]  John von Neumann.
[00:52:50]  And who also worked in it?
[00:52:52]  Saar Barker worked in it, and J. Robert Oppenheimer worked in it.
[00:52:56]  They were all working on the UFO file.
[00:52:59]  On record, according to Sarbaker.
[00:53:02]  So that really sets us up.
[00:53:04]  I think that we're looking at in people like Sarbaker and people like Thomas Townsend Brown, part of this X Share group.
[00:53:16]  And this is why this is going to be so important.
[00:53:18]  Now, I want to mention this in relation to Thomas Townsend Brown, which is tonight's not going to be the only show that we're going to do on him because there is information being shared out there now that's coming to the surface about Thomas Townsend Brown.
[00:53:31]  And there are people who are willing to fill out the picture.
[00:53:35]  And that's what we're going to be doing here during the course of these episodes coming up, in that we're going to get a really good foundation on Brown, but we're going to fill out the picture as we go.
[00:53:49]  Okay.
[00:53:51]  Let's get a look at Brown.
[00:53:52]  Some of his kind of traditional.
[00:53:53]  I love this picture.
[00:53:54]  This is an early picture of him working in a lab and discovering x rays.
[00:53:59]  But he was born on March 18, 1905.
[00:54:02]  And he.
[00:54:05]  Was born in Ohio, actually.
[00:54:06]  His family was a remarkably well set up family.
[00:54:12]  They were in construction and well respected in Zanesville, Ohio.
[00:54:17]  And he had an absolute passion for electronics.
[00:54:22]  It's interesting, too, because it seems as we go along, this is kind of the classic picture of him, really not more than a teenager here.
[00:54:30]  I think he's 19.
[00:54:32]  So it's really, I think you get a real sense of the person.
[00:54:36]  But, you know, his parents definitely indulged his remarkable abilities in electronics.
[00:54:44]  And he found himself in this position of, Working in a lab at a very young age.
[00:54:54]  On the official side of the story, we have kind of an official record of Thomas Townsend Brown, and it gives us that the Byfield Brown effect is one of his great legacies.
[00:55:07]  And this is a real innovation for a young scientist, and he really kind of got this.
[00:55:16]  I think he really met all the right people as a result of his deep work around that.
[00:55:20]  But what happened, I think, with Brown is that he became so identified, like the things he was working on were so advanced that it was almost immediate that the work that he was doing went underground.
[00:55:33]  And so much of his history is hidden in these various programs.
[00:55:40]  And one of the ways that he came to light was through the Philadelphia Experiment book that Bill Moore put out.
[00:55:47]  And it was very interesting because Bill Moore, of course, If you read the book, he really kind of throws Thomas Townsend Brown in there.
[00:55:57]  You remember, I was talking earlier about how sometimes people just get used as a punchline without the background.
[00:56:03]  And Tesla, sometimes they do that too without really going deep into it.
[00:56:08]  But I think trying to associate him with this Project Invisibility thing that was taking place and does relate to this apothecary effect that's kept in the UFO file, this whole X Tech concept.
[00:56:23]  Certainly, people like Einstein worked on this invisibility project, and Morris Jessup went deep into what happened with this strange project, Invisibility, where they made in the Philadelphia experiment the ship disappear and reappear somewhere else.
[00:56:39]  And they were developing this invisibility, which I believe that they have now.
[00:56:45]  And I think it is represented in some of the comments that Trump has made about the F 35, for example, and some of the strange logos that we've seen about.
[00:56:53]  This.
[00:56:53]  So Justin Thomas was asking earlier Does DJ know of any evidence of T.T. Brown and the Philadelphia experiment?
[00:57:00]  So, how is he linked with that?
[00:57:02]  Well, in the book, The Philadelphia Experiment by Bill Morris, I'm discussing it, he links him in there, but I'll tell you, it's pretty thin, and I don't associate him.
[00:57:13]  I mean, I understand the idea that he's one of their advanced guys and that they would want an advanced guy there, but officially on the record, there's nothing that connects him with the Philadelphia experiment.
[00:57:22]  What's your intuition tell you?
[00:57:25]  I think he was working on such deep projects relating to electrogravitics and relating to kind of imitating the saucer activity that that is where I think he was the most active.
[00:57:38]  And I also, it appears to me that he's very selective in the projects that he chose.
[00:57:43]  And the information that I have shows that he was not somebody who liked, for example, working with intelligence agencies, but preferred to stay more on the military side.
[00:57:53]  And we can see that even Kennedy, also, when he's doing his own.
[00:58:00]  Relations, he stays away from the CIA and he prefers to work with the military because I think with the military it's kind of like a devil that you know situation, whereas there are forces inside the CIA that relate to this X Protect activity.
[00:58:13]  And I think that, you know, one of the fabulous things that Harry Truman put on the record, and he's the man who developed the CIA in 1947 as part of the National Security Act, is a month after Kennedy was assassinated, he comes out with.
[00:58:30]  An op ed saying we have to kind of fix the CIA or end it, and that they can't be in the business of overthrowing countries and doing all these things they weren't set up to do.
[00:58:40]  They were literally just an extra constitutional force, and there's nothing in the Constitution that provides for an intelligence service to have its own air force and to conduct foreign policy.

=== Reverse Engineering Spaceship Dynamics (15:27) ===

[00:58:50]  It's ridiculous.
[00:58:51]  And we see it again in the challenges, you know, right or wrong with Trump, whether people appreciate the work that he's doing or not.
[00:59:00]  We cannot have a country.
[00:59:03]  Where the CIA gets to kind of call the shots on what happens there.
[00:59:07]  So now there are a few things in relation to Townsend Brown, like I said, that are quite remarkable because he was working in this kind of deep project milieu and he's in this kind of secrecy world.
[00:59:24]  But it seems that he does very much prefer this X share group.
[00:59:28]  And there's a story, there's a remarkable book that came out.
[00:59:33]  And this now is called Define Gravity The Parallel Universe of T. Townsend Brown by Paul Shatskin.
[00:59:41]  This book is very unusual because it does contain a lot of information that you can't find anywhere else.
[00:59:48]  And some of the main players, some of the main people who contributed to it, some of them under aliases, who had worked with Brown and really understood the picture better.
[00:59:58]  Even when you read this book, you're still feeling like there's a ghost of the person.
[01:00:02]  You're not getting the full details.
[01:00:04]  But there is something, I think, in here where we start to get some picture of the projects he was working on and how they would have impacted things and why he is so buried in history.
[01:00:14]  And of course, there's a family member of Brown's, his daughter, Linda, contributes some very interesting stories.
[01:00:20]  A couple of them I wanted to read here because they are just so unusual.
[01:00:26]  One of the things that I think is funny when we get to Brown that pops up is that in some of his innovations, As we've seen with Tesla, you know, Tesla got the vision of alternating current when he was thinking of Goethe's famous poem, and he somewhere in there it said around and around, and he figured out alternating current and drew the formula on the spot, and it just like kind of exploded in his mind.
[01:00:53]  Well, it looks to me like a lot of these good scientists, there's a factor that goes on that is metaphysical in relation to some of these people and the breakthroughs that they have.
[01:01:04]  And it's certainly true in the case of Thomas Townsend Brown.
[01:01:09]  What's fascinating to me about Brown is that it's referenced in here that some of his inspiration came from dreams, which I found very interesting.
[01:01:20]  So, from the book now, it says in here that Brown wondered if X rays might be the key to space travel.
[01:01:32]  As early now, this is pretty early, and it's fascinating because, of course, X rays applied to deep space become such a major aspect, and that's something that John Trump will work on later.
[01:01:43]  Now, it says, incongruous as that sounds, perhaps it sounds more plausible than the notion that he got the idea in a dream, which is one of these stories about where he got this inspiration.
[01:01:55]  So, the dream factor weighs very heavy when we get into Brown.
[01:02:00]  And what I found quite unusual is that one of the things that come up with his daughter, Linda Brown, is that she also has quite interesting dreams.
[01:02:12]  And it relates to this kind of very secret work of her dad.
[01:02:16]  So, I'm going to read a couple of these because it relates to these sightings that were going on in the period of time.
[01:02:23]  I have some pictures of these.
[01:02:28]  Before we go there, let's take a look at Brown in the lab there working on these very interesting models, and very often they look like flying saucers.
[01:02:40]  And it's so interesting to think of the electrographitics that he's working on and developing in this process.
[01:02:46]  You know, here's somebody who obviously left a fantastic legacy in the dark, and I think that this is something that we need to kind of keep in mind when we are thinking about this.
[01:03:01]  This is him again, more of the work that he's doing there, and for various reasons.
[01:03:09]  But this shape and these kind of saucer shapes, I think there's a great influence there of the UFO file on his work, which is again largely secret.
[01:03:23]  Now, one of the things I wanted to show this actually, this is where Thomas Thompson Brown went off to.
[01:03:33]  The Navy.
[01:03:34]  And it's very interesting because when he gets in the Navy, he becomes associated with the Caroline.
[01:03:39]  And I'm going to go into this a little bit deeper.
[01:03:41]  But one of the fascinating things that happens to him when he goes to Cuba is a major earthquake takes place.
[01:03:47]  And I think that we can kind of feel the impact of this on his thinking and on his imagination.
[01:03:53]  But oddly enough, he's out there studying, there's something interesting going on about these secret submarines that they're using and studying the currents going on off Cuba again.
[01:04:04]  And there we are in the heart of it.
[01:04:07]  We're going to, I'm going to get into this whole Adamski section and how it relates, but I want to show this picture because it's going to become the apex of this program about something very unusual that was developed by Thomas Townsend Brown and was displayed there at the Rand Corporation and disappeared.
[01:04:28]  And aspects of it came out, oddly enough, through what did we find that was?
[01:04:32]  It was the sharper image?
[01:04:34]  Yes.
[01:04:35]  And what was it called?
[01:04:37]  The ionic breeze.
[01:04:38]  Yes.
[01:04:39]  So interesting because this is that product that came out about clearing the air of these particles.
[01:04:46]  But this is a very unusual, its applications are most unusual, and I'm going to read about it, but I wanted to give you that visual.
[01:04:56]  What they were calling it at the time here is this electrokinetic apparatus.
[01:05:01]  And keep it in mind because I'm going to bring up some key points about it as we get along.
[01:05:08]  One of the things that I think.
[01:05:12]  We want to keep in mind about this period of time is there's something about the 40s and 50s where suddenly we become aware of the UFO file and we're dealing with presidents having to get briefed on it and up to speed quickly, defense departments needing to know what it is.
[01:05:28]  And there's no question that the 40s become the UFO wave, Kenneth Arnold, and all the rest of it.
[01:05:34]  Right now, you know, we have this program going on the History Channel and it's all about J. Allen Hynek, who's studying in Project Blue Book, which is the kind of whitewash.
[01:05:44]  That the Air Force did about the UFO topic to keep the public quiet and eventually to get them to give up on the topic.
[01:05:50]  But in fact, there were so many sightings and they were all over the place that everyone had a legitimate reason in asking what's going on.
[01:05:57]  And what they tried to do was suppress it then.
[01:06:00]  And what they try to do now is co opt it.
[01:06:02]  So it's very interesting the tactics that they use in different periods for the human psyche.
[01:06:07]  But over and over again, we go back to the question.
[01:06:10]  One of the main figures in this period who.
[01:06:13]  Now, he claimed to have actually videotaped these crafts, there's no question about it, and he had some of the most remarkable footage of the time.
[01:06:24]  But later, he would also claim to have met some of these individuals and that they were, you know, these kind of super beings that look like the typical Pleiadian of the period now, and what we would know as like a Nordic type.
[01:06:38]  But this is George Adamski, and he plays a role in this, I find, when we're trying to.
[01:06:44]  Figure out where this whole story is coming from in relation to the X tech.
[01:06:49]  And Adamski is quite fascinating because he is closely associated with Desmond Leslie.
[01:06:56]  They do a book together.
[01:06:57]  Desmond Leslie is the leading theosophist of the period.
[01:07:01]  So, and we have in Adamski's background that whole theosophical background.
[01:07:07]  And as you know, on this program, we track very closely the influence of the mystery schools and theosophy being one of the major public mystery schools and their amazing impact from liberating India.
[01:07:19]  Through Gandhi, and just the kind of remarkable juxtaposition they have.
[01:07:27]  Very often, people talk about Krishnamurti and how he was set up to be this kind of savior, basically, by the Theosophical Society.
[01:07:37]  And you might think of that now and think about how these groups treat gurus and all the rest of it.
[01:07:41]  But Krishnamurti is pretty unusual.
[01:07:42]  This is a guy who addresses the UN.
[01:07:45]  I mean, the power of the Theosophical Society is such that it's something that is undeniable.
[01:07:51]  In terms of its impact on history.
[01:07:53]  And so we have to understand when the mystery schools come forward, the connections geopolitically are dramatic.
[01:08:00]  And if there's one thing that's missing from our understanding in looking at these figures, it's that we don't understand the mystery school influence traditionally.
[01:08:09]  I think it's something that we need to expand our knowledge on.
[01:08:12]  So again, going back to Adamski, this is the figure he claims to meet named Orthon.
[01:08:18]  Now, this gets really heavy, you know, in terms of.
[01:08:22]  What does Orthon have in his hand?
[01:08:24]  What is he holding?
[01:08:25]  I think it's like a beam, isn't it?
[01:08:27]  It's just very unusual.
[01:08:28]  I didn't know if it sort of reminded me of the invaders' device, right?
[01:08:31]  That's true.
[01:08:33]  So now you might ask, you know, why in the same breath as Thomas Townsend Brown would I talk about George Adamski?
[01:08:42]  And I'm not suggesting this link, but I want to show how contemporary they are and watch a few interesting dynamics around this.
[01:08:50]  Now, Adamski is somebody who, you know, on the record, The political classes in the US and the UK were very interested in this guy.
[01:09:00]  He had military passes.
[01:09:03]  His story was highly believable in a number of ways.
[01:09:08]  But something was going on there that was clandestine.
[01:09:11]  Now, one of the projects that Thomas Townsend Brown got brought into, and why this is so important, is that there was someone named Agnew Bonson, Jr., and he really wanted in the 50s.
[01:09:29]  He was very interested in the UFO file, but he was also interested in alternative energy.
[01:09:34]  And he very much wanted, he was an expert pilot.
[01:09:38]  He wanted Thomas Townsend Brown to be working with him on this project.
[01:09:43]  And one of the things in the development that he was working on was this miniature version of the Adomski scout ship model in an oil test chamber.
[01:09:56]  Now, this is Bonson who is recruiting Thomas Townsend Brown to do this really advanced work with him.
[01:10:03]  And there's this craft sitting in a vat of oil, which is a small scale model of what he thinks.
[01:10:09]  Adamski is seeing.
[01:10:11]  And although they have a technical name for the project they're working on, my guess is that they're working on reverse engineering the dynamics of this thing, how it could work, et cetera.
[01:10:22]  Exactly what is it?
[01:10:24]  They may have even thought it was a military project that they were trying to reverse engineer.
[01:10:28]  Strangely enough, most peculiar things happen.
[01:10:35]  Bonson, shortly after, He stops working with Thomas Thompson Brown, or the project is over.
[01:10:43]  And they have, by the way, this interesting video where they're popping champagne and celebrating the completion of this project.
[01:10:50]  Very interesting.
[01:10:51]  But he writes a very interesting book called The Stars Are Too High.
[01:10:56]  And I want to read you the plot of this book, and then we can start to wrap our head around these things and these connections.
[01:11:02]  Quote The appearance of a strange spaceship brings astounding results in the Pentagon and Kremlin in this prophetic novel of the near future.
[01:11:13]  And there is Agnew Bonson there.
[01:11:16]  Now, the thrust of the story is that there's this character, and the character is named Sandy, and she's a very advanced pilot.
[01:11:29]  And there's an inventor in here who creates an incredibly advanced spaceship.
[01:11:34]  And there are people around who decide to use the fascination of the public with the UFO issue to combine this incredible spaceship accomplishment.
[01:11:45]  With the idea that they will basically pretend to be these aliens and they will approach the major governments of the world and say, You need to basically find peace.
[01:11:56]  So it's quite a remarkable story, but I find it particularly interesting in terms of the fact that Bonson, who not only has hired Thomas Townsend Brown, but he will have Adamski in his laboratory in 1960.
[01:12:11]  That's on record.
[01:12:12]  And so his association, therefore, with Brown, with Adamski, and then with this strange.
[01:12:20]  Craft model sitting in this oil vat.
[01:12:23]  Very, very unusual.
[01:12:25]  So, what could be even more unusual?
[01:12:29]  Bonson dies in a plane crash shortly after he does all this.
[01:12:34]  So, there's some thrust in this book of an idea that this kind of noble group comes forward, creates this imitation of a UFO, and it's actually quite remarkable.
[01:12:47]  And then they use it to kind of blackmail the world into peace and to kind of move in a peaceful direction.
[01:12:53]  By pretending that they're aliens, it's quite unusual.
[01:12:57]  And the fact that he was associated both with Brown and Adamski, I think, causes us to stop and pause to say, what is really going on there?
[01:13:05]  And the novel itself is quite remarkable.
[01:13:08]  And I feel like there's a lot of what would you call it?
[01:13:13]  There's basically some fundamental clues hiding out deep inside the book and the story.
[01:13:18]  Could you go a little bit more into his plane crash?
[01:13:23]  Well, it's strange.
[01:13:24]  This is the thing, because he was an expert.
[01:13:28]  But it's very odd the way they describe it as pilot error, and it's kind of absurd the plane crash.
[01:13:35]  But of course, we know from looking deep at the X Protect that that's one of their favorite methods of disposing of threats.
[01:13:43]  And I wonder, in relation to the work that Brown had done for him, reverse engineering this idea of the Adamski craft and the weird idea of the spaceship, you know, making the world go peaceful because they were pretending to be aliens.
[01:14:00]  There's a lot there, I think, that needs to be talked about and sifted through.
[01:14:04]  My own conclusion is that.
[01:14:06]  Something very unusual happened there, and that he was eliminated by the Sex Protect group.
[01:14:11]  So, I'm piecing something together right now.
[01:14:13]  We've been talking about this all week as you've been reading the books.

=== Guy Bannister and Kennedy Assassination (05:00) ===

[01:14:18]  So, are there two parallel groups going on with basically access to X Tech and the UFO file?
[01:14:27]  And one is interested in peace, and one is interested in war.
[01:14:33]  And did they eliminate the ones who are interested in peace?
[01:14:37]  Is that what we're really talking about?
[01:14:39]  No question.
[01:14:40]  Well, Xshare wants to use the X tech.
[01:14:43]  They want to use the UFO file for.
[01:14:46]  It's demonstrated that they want to use the UFO file all the way back to the Kennedy memo.
[01:14:50]  Their goal with it is to advance the culture, to move the culture forward with it.
[01:14:55]  Unfortunately, it also poses a great threat to the national security state, especially on the deep state side, because that represents a hidden base of power.
[01:15:07]  Now, when we go into Joseph Farrell's work, it's quite interesting because Farrell traces.
[01:15:14]  The group that I'm calling X Protect here challenging Kennedy during this whole period, even this period where Bonson's plane explodes, and he goes back to this group, Werner von Braun, because Werner von Braun and Walter Dornberger, who was his instructor,
[01:15:42]  really his mentor when he was in Nazi Germany, they come back and develop the X planes.
[01:15:47]  So they are.
[01:15:49]  The ones who lead the whole X plane, space plane, X 15, X 20s, and all the rest.
[01:15:55]  Now, what's fascinating about this for me is that when we look at it, the X planes even now hold the records for speed.
[01:16:04]  So, whatever technology it is that they're working with, they've got the advanced Nazi technology working.
[01:16:09]  And it seems like that represents a kind of power base.
[01:16:12]  So, as we've gone into this program, the first record document on record, we've got it declassified in 2014.
[01:16:20]  And it relates to Defense Secretary Robert McNamara going back with Kennedy's instructions to NASA and saying, we're moving Blue Gemini back to the military because there's this other thing going on.
[01:16:30]  We don't want two space programs.
[01:16:32]  So obviously, the second space program is the secret space program organized by these people.
[01:16:37]  Now, there's a great battle over that.
[01:16:40]  And some people said, well, you know, it just went into X 20 Dinosaur, D Y N A S O A R.
[01:16:47]  And I don't want to go too deep in the weeds with this, but I will point out that on this program, we've demonstrated that.
[01:16:53]  Back and forth between Blue Gemini and dinosaurs is quite remarkable.
[01:16:58]  This goes pretty deep.
[01:17:00]  I've pointed this out before.
[01:17:01]  This is a document that is from the person who created the X Files for the FBI.
[01:17:09]  It was Guy Bannister.
[01:17:11]  And Guy Bannister, being the FBI chief in Chicago, the first things they had him do in the late 40s was go out and investigate these cases in the Northwest.
[01:17:23]  Now, he's also known very famously in history as the person who Lee Harvey Oswald was working for.
[01:17:33]  But he's an extreme right winger, and Oswald was a left winger, so no one's ever understood why they were around each other, except for the fact that Oswald wasn't really a left winger, and that was his intelligence cover, of course.
[01:17:43]  But one of the most unusual things, I think, in relation to this is in a book, it was discovered through somebody who was going deep, deep into Guy Bannister's background that his wife had, even though his files had been burned and had been stolen after he died mysteriously a year after the Kennedy assassination.
[01:18:04]  His wife had preserved the titles of the files, and she donated them to a library, and they came to light later.
[01:18:11]  And so all of his different files are listed here, but quite unusually, and this is very strange considering that Guy Bannister was just supposedly a private investigator, but here we have it it says Dinosaur Space Warcraft, which, by the way, none of them were called Warcrafts in the period.
[01:18:28]  So he obviously knew something that somebody else forgot to tell the rest of us.
[01:18:35]  And I think that Guy Bannister's list has always been a great mystery for Kennedy researchers.
[01:18:43]  But this is actually quite significant because right above it it says assassination of President Kennedy, and right underneath it we have dinosaur space warcraft.
[01:18:51]  This combination of the clash of the aerospace companies taking over the reins of government that's where the basis of the Eggs Protect is where we get into it.
[01:18:59]  And we find figures like Thomas Townsend Brown and Robert Saarbacher right in the middle of it.
[01:19:05]  And what's actually fascinating is Sarbarker and Brown, apparently, as we go deep into this book and exploring their relationship, actually have a long term relationship that goes back to World War II.
[01:19:18]  So we'll get deeper into that.

=== Nazi Scientists and Runaway Physics (15:31) ===

[01:19:19]  But what have you got?
[01:19:20]  Justin Thomas says there is a reason why the UFO working group in charge is called magic.
[01:19:28]  Oh, yeah, absolutely.
[01:19:29]  Absolutely.
[01:19:31]  Well, it's interesting magic and majestic.
[01:19:35]  What I think is fascinating about the names here is that the person who's set up to take over the UFO file to run it is Vannevar Bush.
[01:19:46]  Vannevar Bush is the grand master of the MIT Mason Lodge, he understands secrecy very, very well.
[01:19:55]  He runs the Rad Lab better than military secrecy, according to the Wall Street Journal of that period, if you read those articles.
[01:20:03]  And he has quite this incredible ability in relation to secrecy.
[01:20:08]  In masonry, you learn that because it's a long tradition.
[01:20:12]  And again, masonry taking on those aspects of the mystery schools, there we are again.
[01:20:19]  So, when we get into the idea that magic is involved in the titling, and the numerology is used, and the X nomenclature is used, things of this nature, then we start to get, in looking at steganography, and we start to see where that comes from.
[01:20:37]  The Masons are very, very good candidates.
[01:20:39]  For understanding what that means, because so many of the things that they do are based in secrecy and ritual, because that's the way the tradition survived for thousands of years, which many Masons trace their actual identity all the way back to Solomon.
[01:20:55]  So, you know, when we think of it that way, I think we start to get the picture of how this ex-Deganography got transferred into government programs, and how when a project would move through an agency, all they had to do was adopt this ex to help people.
[01:21:10]  Inside their own groups to track it without actually telling them or briefing them on what the subject was that they were actually tracking.
[01:21:18]  So, it's actually a good way to do it because if you are a CIA director and you have 10,000 agents and you want them all following this thing, but you can't brief each one of them because they have different levels of secrecy and access, but it's very easy to have them track something that's out there in the public, like an X.
[01:21:35]  So, if you introduce this X program, it's easy for them to track and give reports back to you, and then you know what the steganography means.
[01:21:41]  So, it's a very clever thing.
[01:21:43]  I call it a kind of a sleight of hand, it's like a geopolitical Rosetta Stone that we're looking at in relation to this.
[01:21:50]  But these.
[01:21:52]  Figures of Saar Barker and Brown fall right into the heart of it, in my opinion, as we go deeper into it.
[01:21:59]  Now, it's very unusual.
[01:22:00]  There's a story inside the book which I'm just going to do a couple of the quick bullet points from.
[01:22:09]  And it relates to early involvement of Saar Barker with Brown.
[01:22:13]  So there's a secret mission that Brown undertakes on behalf of the government where he is brought into the end of Nazi Germany.
[01:22:23]  And he's working with a special group, and they are looking for a Nazi scientist and his technology, his working tech information about what it is that he has.
[01:22:36]  Now, there are varying stories about this, but one of the very good sources, I think, in Shotskin's book is the story that what happens is they take.
[01:22:56]  Brown in, and he actually gets to the scientist and he is getting the information from him.
[01:23:01]  But during this, there's some kind of incursion of these Nazi forces, and that at a certain point, his life is in danger and he's unconscious.
[01:23:09]  And another group comes in, and that group is led by Sarbaker with a contingent of really hardcore special forces people.
[01:23:19]  And they come in and get control of the situation, and they rescue Brown and the scientist.
[01:23:26]  I think this is a very important moment in history.
[01:23:29]  There's also a very unusual thing in relation to the fact that Brown is missing a finger.
[01:23:39]  And this is something that never gets really explained.
[01:23:45]  But there are stories that, in part of what was happening there, this is what took place.
[01:23:51]  Now, in relation to Sarbaker rescuing Brown and taking him back to the UK.
[01:23:59]  Sarbaker also kind of rescued the mission there because they were both pretty much on the same mission, which was to get this Nazi scientist and his technology.
[01:24:08]  If you want to ask me what that mission relates to, and I think it is a breakthrough and I think we need to study it further, but I think what they're looking for there is the De Glocka technology, the way it sounds from all indications, because it's such a secret mission and it seems like it's something that you have to have the best.
[01:24:32]  The most outside the box thinkers on, and Sarbaker and Brown would represent that contingent who could get the information from this Nazi scientist.
[01:24:41]  It's quite remarkable, but let's remember how they reemerge.
[01:24:45]  Sarbaker emerges as a member of the UFO file team of Vannevar Bush, and he's the one who gives us the information later.
[01:24:55]  But if you go through there and look at the history of this book from those insiders and family members, We're speaking about Thomas Townsend Brown and his relationship to Sarbaker, they're much tighter than we've been, you know, that's publicly known and that people have deeply researched.
[01:25:14]  Because both figures have been obscured majorly.
[01:25:18]  I already told you that Sarbacher has been obscured.
[01:25:20]  He doesn't even have an encyclopedia entry in Wikipedia.
[01:25:23]  It's absurd.
[01:25:26]  You know, I mean, really, much lesser scientists have their own entries in the encyclopedia.
[01:25:34]  And I think in the case of Brown, wrapping him in this envelope of the Philadelphia experiment and this kind of fantastical story, which has a lot of disinformation elements to it.
[01:25:46]  Is an easy way to actually marginalize people from going deeper and finding out what was going on here with Brown.
[01:25:53]  Now, we're going to bring all of this around to the hot zone discussion and how the hot zone information relating to these things off of Cuba may find a direct correlation into Brown's life.
[01:26:08]  But let's recap for a minute that this group that was, you know, we've seen through the work of Farrell and all the rest.
[01:26:17]  That had nested themselves.
[01:26:18]  That's Walt Disney, by the way, with Von Braun.
[01:26:21]  But Von Braun, having nested himself inside of that NASA structure with his old boss and his old command structure, and then becoming the people behind the moon launch and all the rest of it, that represents a kind of left turn on it.
[01:26:37]  We have to remember something about LBJ, too.
[01:26:40]  We started with Kennedy there.
[01:26:42]  Kennedy has the struggle with this group through NASA.
[01:26:45]  Kennedy is eliminated by X Protect.
[01:26:47]  LBJ takes over.
[01:26:48]  Well, LBJ is.
[01:26:50]  From Texas, and he's known as Senator NASA.
[01:26:53]  So we have that deep connection of using the space program, you know.
[01:26:58]  And it's not saying that the officials at NASA are corrupt or anything like that.
[01:27:01]  I'm saying how they used these things.
[01:27:04]  And you can use all kinds of excuses like national security and all the rest of it.
[01:27:08]  So we're starting to get a picture now of the milieu of these two groups, and we can start to separate them from X Protect and X Share.
[01:27:16]  And I think that the X Share group, we start to see that Sarbacher and Brown in that close relationship.
[01:27:23]  And the technology developments that they're doing are getting us closer and closer down that road.
[01:27:29]  But they're probably at every turn with the work that they're doing, at every turn, they're probably right there neck and neck with on their heels this X Protect group.
[01:27:43]  And the way that they stay ahead of them is keeping the information of what they're working on so underground.
[01:27:48]  So that is a fascinating way to look at it.
[01:27:50]  We're going to keep going on that.
[01:27:51]  But Miss Olivia.
[01:27:52]  Mirror13 wanted to know Do you think that the X Share group has any connections to a breakaway group?
[01:27:58]  From the Sonora Aero Club, a la Walter Bosley.
[01:28:01]  Walter Bosley.
[01:28:02]  Well, everyone knows I love Walter Bosley's work.
[01:28:06]  And I think that Walter Bosley did something remarkable in that when he found those incredible, when he brought forward some of the information relating to these incredible illustrations of these airships that were developed by Del Show, and the fact that Trump is mentioned in there, at least the family name of Trump is in.
[01:28:31]  With this group that comes over from Germany with this advanced technology in the 19th century is quite remarkable.
[01:28:38]  But I think that we can track closely in the 20th century and how it impacts the 21st century on this.
[01:28:46]  One quick thing I want to mention here because it relates to how we got Sarbacher and all of this out on the UFO side.
[01:28:55]  This was something that the Rockefellers put together in the 1950s.
[01:29:00]  And they had Henry Kissinger as their main man on it.
[01:29:05]  And supposedly, the idea was we're going to take all these different people from the economics of the time, racial integration, all these experts, and we're going to get them together at Harvard and they're going to dish out the best solutions.
[01:29:20]  And they put together this series of articles and books called Prospect for America.
[01:29:24]  They left four volumes out, those are the secret volumes.
[01:29:27]  And it's part of this stealth archive concept that comes up so often when we're doing the ex steganography.
[01:29:32]  The stealth archive is just something that we know about.
[01:29:34]  Like the Nixon time capsule, we know that it's there, but we can't put our hands on it.
[01:29:40]  And some of these are very obvious, but the Prospect for America volumes are quite interesting because in his work, Bill Steinman, who got us so much information as a UFO researcher, he got information on Sarbaker.
[01:29:55]  But it's quite fascinating because he was looking for a doctor named Wang who was associated with these programs and who Henry Kissinger.
[01:30:06]  Apparently, he had hired to handle the UFO aspect of this Prospect for America.
[01:30:11]  And he talks to Wang's widow and he asks him all these questions.
[01:30:15]  And there's a certain point, there's a pause where she goes, Oh, well, Kissinger was in our living room almost every night getting briefings from Wang.
[01:30:25]  So Wang becomes a very interesting character also.
[01:30:29]  But the thrust of this is that Henry Kissinger was getting for the Rockefeller Commission this information on the UFO file and they were developing.
[01:30:38]  Developing it, and that gives us some hint into those four volumes of the Stealth Archive.
[01:30:43]  So let's think of the Kissinger Group and the kind of CIA influence of the Kissinger Group with the Rockefeller aspect, that relating more to the X Protect side.
[01:30:55]  And then when we get into the Saab Barker end of it and we're looking at that end of the spectrum, that's much more on the X Share.
[01:31:03]  X Share is very interesting because we might be looking at a situation where the Space Force is forcing that information.
[01:31:12]  Output transcript Out publicly.
[01:31:15]  So there's an aspect of X Share involved with that.
[01:31:17]  And then we know from the whole TTSA side, all the CIA people up front, that is an instant sign of the X Protect is active.
[01:31:26]  And when they're active around the UFO file, when you see John Brennan, who's the CIA director under Obama, come out and say, we need to look at this UFO issue.
[01:31:36]  And when you have Luis Elizondo, who was his, who reported to Brennan, who's the drone king, those people out there trying to do a marketing thing with TTSA and all that, that's the CIA.
[01:31:47]  X Protect aspect coming in and trying to just suffocate any developments in this area.
[01:31:53]  It's a very dangerous motion, and I think it's something that we need to keep an eye on.
[01:31:56]  Yes, Miss Olivia.
[01:31:57]  Larry Jackson wanted to know Did T.T. Brown ever work on the Moonlander?
[01:32:04]  When did he die?
[01:32:05]  Well, he actually died in the 80s, but I have a picture of him just before he died.
[01:32:11]  He had accomplished a lot.
[01:32:12]  So much of what he accomplished was in the shadows, unfortunately.
[01:32:15]  We do have some things on record in relation to Brown, but this was the digging aspect that's happening.
[01:32:21]  And now that we've developed This notion that he's close to Sarbarker and that it's factual on the ground based on associate testimony, based on family testimony.
[01:32:33]  Now we can take it to the bank.
[01:32:35]  Now we know that that is something that happened, that he had this relationship.
[01:32:39]  But we also know that Sarbarker was working with Bush, Vannevar Bush, and working with Neumann and all these people in Compton on the UFO file.
[01:32:52]  So it's very interesting.
[01:32:54]  It's starting to really size up because we also know that John Trump was Vanderbilt Bush's protege, so he knows everything about the UFO file.
[01:33:02]  And what was he working on?
[01:33:03]  X rays.
[01:33:03]  What was Thomas Townsend Brown working on there in talking about space?
[01:33:08]  That was X rays also.
[01:33:10]  So we're starting to get an understanding there's some breakthrough in this X technology, just like with Tesla.
[01:33:16]  And we're getting kind of the stories, the disinformation around it.
[01:33:22]  That's the CIA intel side sort of.
[01:33:26]  Clearing the way, destroying the breadcrumbs for us to follow.
[01:33:30]  And then you get the marketing side coming in and making up stories about the Philadelphia experiment or really elaborate UFO scenarios instead of the actual UFO file scenarios.
[01:33:39]  This, I think, is where we can break through and get away from some of the traditional avenues of research on the UFO side and really go deep.
[01:33:49]  Because the UFO file represents, remember, the X steganography and apothegm inside of this X tech umbrella.
[01:33:56]  So this is what the show is about in this sense, which is that secrecy.
[01:34:00]  That they're holding represents a kind of runaway physics that's discovered inside of these programs.
[01:34:08]  So, whether you want to say that's alien technology or if you want to say it's some effect that's discovered by these scientists, it'd be nice to know which it is.
[01:34:18]  But nonetheless, the fact remains that this is what we're looking at.
[01:34:21]  It's a reality on the ground, and we see it playing out in these geopolitical situations over and over again.
[01:34:26]  Yes.
[01:34:29]  Jim Roy, the heretic, says planes just windsurf.
[01:34:35]  Has your research shown the Bifield Brown effect isn't anti gravity, it's magnetic buoyancy, electromagnetic field surfing.
[01:34:43]  Do UFOs surf on electric Tesla waves?
[01:34:47]  Wow, I like it.
[01:34:49]  I like it.
[01:34:49]  I like where you're going with that.

=== Highly Prized Military Innovations (02:03) ===

[01:34:51]  And I think what's going to happen as we get deeper on Thomas Townsend Brown, this is one episode of many we're going to tackle him.
[01:34:59]  We're going to go into exactly what the technology aspect is and the feedback that we get.
[01:35:05]  Around it is going to really be helpful.
[01:35:07]  Yeah, that's a massive book.
[01:35:09]  What is it, like 500 pages?
[01:35:11]  I did.
[01:35:11]  I've done a really good job.
[01:35:12]  It's not so much the book and it's not what is contained in the book in terms of technological details.
[01:35:20]  What's great about the book are the anecdotes.
[01:35:22]  I think that's a breakthrough, and that Sarbaker's relationship with Brown is going to be a breakthrough.
[01:35:29]  But also starting to understand that Brown is an ethical character, Brown is an advanced character, Brown is a metaphysical character.
[01:35:37]  Character in relation to the scientific work that he's doing, also.
[01:35:41]  We have to keep that in mind.
[01:35:42]  There are these aspects relating to him that I think are going to give us a bigger picture.
[01:35:47]  This is Brown at the end of his life here, and he had accomplished so much by this point.
[01:35:54]  And so much of that, what he's accomplished, like I said, is largely kept underground.
[01:36:01]  So we're still sorting through it and figuring out what exactly he was engaged in.
[01:36:05]  We know that he did electrogravitics, we know he had this breakthrough with the effect.
[01:36:11]  We know that he worked for military contractors.
[01:36:14]  We know that they utilized him and that his work was highly prized by these groups.
[01:36:22]  So, some of the breakthroughs I think that we're going to hit relate to this project, which is basically an acoustic speaker and a fan and the way it's presented.
[01:36:33]  But there's something quite remarkable about this innovation as we get a little bit deeper here.
[01:36:38]  Before we go into that, I want to harken back just briefly to this Adamski thing because it relates to these dreams that Brown's daughter had.
[01:36:47]  And I just want to read a couple of them that are in the book that I find interesting.

=== Time Travel Conversations with Brown (03:29) ===

[01:36:54]  So she has this kind of experience, and then the author is saying it's not unlike a dream she had while living on a farm in Virginia in 1956.
[01:37:06]  Quote In my mind, Linda told me, And this is Linda talking now.
[01:37:12]  I've finally worked the whole experience around into a dream sequence, too, because like the earlier experience, it doesn't fit anything in my current rational world.
[01:37:21]  I have no one else here I can share it with, so put yourself in my place a little.
[01:37:26]  Okay, so this is her description of what happened to her, and then later she decides it's a dream.
[01:37:30]  But listen closely.
[01:37:32]  I think now that I had a fanciful dream of a fanciful ship with an Indian crew and a wonderful man, and we flew off to a place that had warm sand and blue water.
[01:37:42]  I think it was probably a Peter Pan adventure.
[01:37:45]  But now it is daybreak, and there's no evidence I ever went anywhere.
[01:37:51]  So it must have been a dream.
[01:37:53]  It was definitely not the kind of situation where you can take note of the design of the thing.
[01:37:57]  I was reminded this is a silly comparison, but it might work of an elevator.
[01:38:02]  You enter from what you think is the front and stand there feeling all safe and secure and aware of what is going on, facing the door, because that's what you have been trained to do.
[01:38:13]  You know, walk in, turn around, wait.
[01:38:16]  But what happens?
[01:38:17]  When the exit door is behind you and it just quietly opens to a whole new scene.
[01:38:27]  Now, this is very, very interesting because this experience that she has is alluded to by these other insiders working around Brown.
[01:38:36]  And the idea is basically there's some technology that they get to see because of Brown's work that relates to them entering this place and being transported somewhere.
[01:38:50]  And it's almost when they're done, it's like a dream.
[01:38:52]  Again, there's a kind of apothegm thing there because it's a reality distortion of time and place.
[01:38:57]  Gigi is asking if it's a jump room.
[01:38:59]  Well, see, that is very interesting because it's my personal belief that so many things, like the idea of a jump room, which is where you can walk into one place and then turn up in another place, literally come from actual programs and then they have characters come out and talk about them.
[01:39:18]  And, you know, basically on the CIA side, they get.
[01:39:23]  These characters that are set up, they're actually called Bobos in the literature.
[01:39:28]  And the Bobos go out and they create kind of a public nuisance around the idea and they make quite a spectacle.
[01:39:35]  And then they go underground.
[01:39:36]  We've seen quite a few Bobos around the Secret Space Program who come out and make now when someone thinks of the Secret Space Program, they think of them.
[01:39:45]  So it's quite interesting to think about what an actual jump room is compared to what we've heard about online there.
[01:39:51]  But absolutely, I completely agree that that is the concept that they are laying out there, which is.
[01:39:57]  They move forward and they come into this space and it transforms them and transports them.
[01:40:02]  And there's a time factor that comes in here too.
[01:40:05]  Now, one of the people who worked closely with Brown, and I think this is going to come out more, they had a conversation about time travel.
[01:40:17]  And Brown assured him that he was going to see time travel in his lifetime.

=== NICAP and Edward Teller's Role (15:42) ===

[01:40:23]  And so, you know, you can picture him being maybe around 20 years old in 1960.
[01:40:29]  And so his lifetime would be this period.
[01:40:32]  That we're looking at now.
[01:40:34]  It's quite remarkable, but there's more.
[01:40:37]  So let's get a little bit more.
[01:40:38]  I want to remind everyone you're watching the Dark Journalist Show.
[01:40:40]  It's fantastic to have so many people here with us.
[01:40:43]  We're discussing the incredible work and the very mysterious figure of Thomas Townsend Brown and how he relates to someone who's very familiar on this program, which is physicist Dr. Robert Sondbacher, who is really largely written out of the history books and is even prevented from having his own Wikipedia page.
[01:41:02]  Quite remarkable when you consider that in his time he was on the level of Robert Oppenheimer in terms of importance.
[01:41:11]  And Oppenheimer is another one, by the way, who, in my opinion, works very much with the X Share group.
[01:41:19]  And as soon as, you know, they kind of, the national security state drains him of everything that he's worth, the X Protect group sets up to ruin his, you know, calling him a communist and sort of ruin his public identity so that his type of view of the world doesn't reign, you know.
[01:41:41]  So he, the respected scientist talking about peace, that doesn't go out there.
[01:41:44]  Instead, you get Edward Teller.
[01:41:45]  Who is definitely, in my opinion, much, much closer to the X Protect group.
[01:41:51]  Yes.
[01:41:51]  Okay, so Scruples4444 wants to know who owns and benefits from all of T.T. Brown's patents and/or have they been seized in the name of national security?
[01:42:04]  Well, I think that's a lot more closer to it.
[01:42:06]  What's very interesting is what we just talked about with the acoustic fan, this very unusual.
[01:42:16]  Fan and I want to talk about it.
[01:42:18]  It has a trans, when we speak about it as like a speaker and a fan, we're using kind of traditional means of it.
[01:42:25]  But there's very unusual things that happen in relationship to this.
[01:42:29]  But as we found out, the sharper image used it.
[01:42:31]  And what did they call it again?
[01:42:33]  The Ionic Breeze.
[01:42:34]  I'm always going to have a problem with that.
[01:42:36]  The Ionic Breeze.
[01:42:37]  And they used to, I mean, I remember them doing infomercials for that thing.
[01:42:41]  But notice expensive.
[01:42:42]  Yes, absolutely.
[01:42:44]  But the family didn't see any of that.
[01:42:46]  It was literally adopted.
[01:42:50]  I think what's important to note is that the fan disappeared after its demonstration for Rand.
[01:43:05]  And very oddly, and it comes up very oddly in the book also, that he comes to his family after that presentation and he says, That's it, we're done.
[01:43:18]  Wrap up the project.
[01:43:19]  He sends his daughter, he's, you know, his daughter who's working for him.
[01:43:23]  He says to her, You know, you're going to find a whole different kind of life.
[01:43:27]  And it's very, very strange, whatever it was about that demonstration.
[01:43:31]  But some of the people that are involved there with the family at this point, quite remarkable.
[01:43:38]  Curtis LeMay, you know, Robert McNamara, defense secretary for Kennedy, very, very heavy hitters.
[01:43:47]  Edward Teller.
[01:43:48]  You know, the ultimate bomb maker of the United States.
[01:43:52]  I mean, these are very, very major figures, and they are absolutely invested in finding out what he's up to here.
[01:44:02]  And then what happens is basically after the demonstration at Rand, that technology disappears.
[01:44:06]  Now, I haven't really talked about what that technology was about.
[01:44:14]  There's very unusual things about it.
[01:44:16]  We need to know more.
[01:44:17]  But I can tell you this that.
[01:44:21]  It operated in a way that it shouldn't have.
[01:44:24]  That is acoustically sound would come from it, as you know, but it also operated as a fan, so it had these strange properties and it seemed to have a kind of metaphysical impact.
[01:44:38]  And this is what I think becomes so important about the technology that he is cranking out that it has this other aspect beyond just the antigravitic, the electrogravitic.
[01:44:51]  You know, it has more, there's more going on with it, and I think this is what we're getting into.
[01:44:56]  Okay.
[01:45:00]  Now, what's interesting is that a little more about the dreams here because I'm fascinated by this.
[01:45:10]  It just so happens that Adomski's photographs bear a striking resemblance to the ships that Linda dreamt of landing in a field at Montresor in 1956, just before her father went to France.
[01:45:27]  Remember, these very unusual ships are what we're talking about.
[01:45:34]  So she's having these experiences.
[01:45:37]  It seems like the family has some entree into this world.
[01:45:40]  And it's a very, very tricky thing because it can lend itself, it's very easy to call it a dream, for example.
[01:45:48]  But with his comments relating to time travel and with these unusual things being reported, I think we're looking at with Thomas Townsend Brown's work is that it's at the very heart of the X tech.
[01:46:01]  It is that whole mysterious X tech that they have that.
[01:46:06]  Takes on this reality, let's say reality distortion, but it transforms reality.
[01:46:12]  And so it doesn't just have the ability to kind of, you know, be a better airplane or whatever.
[01:46:18]  He's certainly worked on a number of projects like that, but there's something very deep with the work that he was doing.
[01:46:24]  And because they were locked up in black projects, we largely don't get to see what they are, but we're starting to piece together what is happening.
[01:46:32]  Let's take another look at that fan demonstrated for Rand here.
[01:46:38]  Electrokinetic apparatus.
[01:46:41]  Hmm.
[01:46:43]  Sound.
[01:46:47]  Very interesting.
[01:46:50]  Interesting that it would disappear and then tiny elements would reappear in corporate America.
[01:46:55]  I remember Stanton Friedman in my conversation with him.
[01:46:59]  We have a couple of interviews with him.
[01:47:01]  And Stanton is still out there going strong, although I think he recently retired.
[01:47:04]  But he's a nuclear physicist, of course, who's deep, deep on the UFO file.
[01:47:09]  And one of the amazing things that he did is he figured out from his discussions that one of the reverse engineered characteristics of the UFOs that we had adopted involved sound and it involved these boomboxes that they made large scale in the 80s that they weren't able to do before.
[01:47:28]  So the boombox is actually one of these reverse engineered properties.
[01:47:32]  They do this occasionally and they sell these things off to the public.
[01:47:34]  It's quite remarkable.
[01:47:36]  Yes.
[01:47:37]  Do you have a picture of that?
[01:47:39]  The Acoustic Fan?
[01:47:40]  Yes.
[01:47:40]  That's it.
[01:47:43]  Okay.
[01:47:46]  And it is, it's quite remarkable the details on it that we certainly need to do to look more into it.
[01:47:53]  Of course, again, when you get into Brown over and over again, the electrogravitics, the levitation, the anti gravity properties of the projects he was working on, and his own personal interest in the UFO file.
[01:48:08]  Now, it's very interesting, a lot of people don't know this, but NICAP was developed by Thomas Townsend Brown.
[01:48:14]  Everyone associates it with Kehoe, who took it over after the fact, but the person who decided we needed a serious non government project that would look into this aspect and that it can include very important people like retired generals and physicists and all the rest of it, but that it was very important to have this independent group out there looking at this very important subject of the UFO file.
[01:48:42]  So Brown now becomes the founder of NICAP.
[01:48:48]  This is quite interesting because when we look at Brown and we think of the kind of impact that he's having in these black projects, for him to come forward himself in the 50s and develop this group that will look at the UFO file from that aspect, I think is very important because it tells us on his side he understands that we're not getting the whole truth.
[01:49:12]  And being part of the X share as opposed to X protect, he wants the public to have access to this information.
[01:49:20]  I have a letter.
[01:49:21]  Here, see if I have this.
[01:49:25]  There's a letter in here from Brown.
[01:49:27]  I love this shot.
[01:49:28]  It's a distant shot, but it kind of gives you an idea of him working with these disks and getting those effects, those incredible effects that he's working on.
[01:49:39]  And Brown actually wrote a letter discussing the National Investigations Committee of Aerial Phenomena.
[01:49:52]  One of the letters relates to Project Skylight.
[01:49:55]  I'm going to skip that.
[01:49:57]  And this being a very interesting cover to the book that I showed earlier Agnew Bonson Jr., The Stars Are Too High.
[01:50:06]  That is the book that Agnew wrote.
[01:50:08]  That's one of the original covers.
[01:50:11]  I was lucky enough to get one of those early editions.
[01:50:16]  Okay, so this is from Townsend Brown to Stuart Nixon.
[01:50:23]  Stuart Nixon is somebody who's taking over NICAP later and wants to go back and ask him, why did you start it in the first place?
[01:50:29]  You know, I want to know the background.
[01:50:31]  And it's very, very interesting.
[01:50:34]  And what he says is, I'm delighted to know that you've taken over the guidance of NICAP's affairs.
[01:50:39]  It's needed someone of your caliber and administrative expertise.
[01:50:42]  Remember, it's a UFO investigation unit.
[01:50:45]  You mentioned you wanted to know something of NICAP's origin.
[01:50:48]  Let me say at the outset that my files and records of those early years are in storage and not now available to me, so that I cannot give you the detailed information as to names and dates.
[01:50:57]  I simply do not remember the name of some of the persons involved.
[01:51:01]  Much of this information you'll be able to find in your corporate records.
[01:51:05]  For several years prior to NICAP's incorporation, the Townsend Brown Foundation maintained an office on Connecticut Avenue near Farragut Square and was engaging in preparing and submitting to the Defense Department a program for proposed scientific research called Project Winter Haven.
[01:51:25]  This is something that we're going to come back to.
[01:51:27]  This program, intended to be secured under a secret classification, covered certain aspects of electric space propulsion, such as ion thrusters and a promising electrogravitic principle, which had been published out of Switzerland in 1956.
[01:51:42]  Project Winterhaven, however, was never approved by the Defense Department, but interest in its possibilities continued for years.
[01:51:52]  So he goes further and he says During this time, following Kenneth Arnold's first sighting of the so called flying saucers, This is good too because it's Brown telling us what he thinks through this letter to Nixon.
[01:52:05]  I was keenly interested in their method of propulsion, if in fact they did exist.
[01:52:13]  No adequate explanation possible within the technology of the day.
[01:52:16]  I personally felt that if we could maintain surveillance with a nationwide or worldwide reporting service, we might arrive more quickly at a scientific explanation of the methods of propulsion based on light emission and performance patterns.
[01:52:32]  This is, again, X share.
[01:52:34]  They want the whole world taking notes.
[01:52:38]  It was accepted in military scientific circles that the unidentified flying objects which had been seen were not products of U.S. or Soviet technology.
[01:52:46]  Even the people behind Project Blue Book admitted this privately, although in their official reports they admitted nothing.
[01:52:51]  Good point.
[01:52:52]  The need for an organization to gather information on sightings became apparent.
[01:52:57]  I pondered over the problem for quite a time.
[01:53:01]  During this period, Clara John was quite active gathering books and information on UFOs.
[01:53:06]  She held many meetings with her friends in her garden.
[01:53:09]  I attended some of these gatherings, and we together discussed the need and possibilities of a group to study and report sightings.
[01:53:16]  The first meetings were about 10 persons, was held in a meeting room in Washington.
[01:53:21]  I was prepared for presentation of that meeting, tentative perspectives for an organization that would take the form of a nonprofit corporation organized expressly for the nationwide surveillance of UFO sightings.
[01:53:33]  So he is, in fact, setting up an organization here to study UFOs.
[01:53:37]  And this is, I think, again, where he gets into trouble.
[01:53:40]  David Dalloway wanted to know what year is that?
[01:53:44]  The letter is from October 1971, but they're referring to incidents that take place in 1956.
[01:53:52]  Yeah, excellent point.
[01:53:54]  And so I'm going to wrap up with this.
[01:53:56]  Since the effort was, this is again still Brown on the record talking to Nixon.
[01:54:00]  Since the effort was to be national in scope and centered in Washington, I chose the name National Investigation Committee on Aerial Phenomena, NICAP.
[01:54:08]  That's where it comes from.
[01:54:10]  It sounded official and important.
[01:54:11]  NICAP was an easily remembered abbreviation.
[01:54:14]  The prospectus called for a publication of a newsletter and a monthly magazine called Space.
[01:54:20]  Several radio stations gave this format some publicity.
[01:54:25]  The Townsend Brown Foundation retained a public relations firm in Baltimore in connection with Project Winter Haven.
[01:54:32]  And what he says is he goes on here that the public has a right to know, and that there were people that he had recruited into it that were going to have the kind of expertise on the military and scientific side to deal with it.
[01:54:47]  It's a very logical kind of approach.
[01:54:51]  And then, you know, what he says is basically.
[01:54:55]  After the office was established on Connecticut Avenue and continued operations seemed assured, I asked Donald Kehoe, who's a Marine pilot who took over and became a real heavy duty UFO advocate, who by that time had published several books on UFOs and was well known, to take my place and allow me to go back to the laboratory and active research work in the field of electrogravitics.
[01:55:20]  Kehoe accepted, and I left Washington to conduct further research in France and California.
[01:55:24]  Although Kehoe retained my name on the mailing list, I almost lost track of what was going on during his tenure in office.
[01:55:30]  I was pleased, however, to know that he was continuing to publish NICAP reports.
[01:55:35]  So he's giving him the basic outline of it.
[01:55:38]  But what's quite fascinating is think of this.
[01:55:41]  Brown, who worked on all these deep black projects, who was a very cutting edge of electrogravitics and anti gravity work, who took an interest in the UFO file and how they were operating.
[01:55:55]  But here he is bringing it public in the 50s.
[01:55:58]  And this, again, becomes something of this.
[01:56:02]  Group, the Xshare group, trying to move the technology out into the public.

=== Tesla Papers and Cuban Secrets (05:22) ===

[01:56:06]  And the X Protect group really, you know, just like people like Frank Edwards would die, very mysterious deaths working around this, and Morris Jessup, the X Protect group kind of clearing these guys out.
[01:56:18]  And I think with Brown, there were some incidents that indicated that the X Protect group was after him.
[01:56:24]  And at one point, he takes his entire family and brings them to Nassau with armed guards.
[01:56:30]  So probably why he was able to survive, interestingly enough.
[01:56:35]  But there's no doubt that he danced in those worlds and that somehow this relationship with Sarbarker.
[01:56:40]  Is what protected him in a sense, and that we need now what's going to happen here in some following episodes is we're going to bring together the picture of Brown and Sarbacher in relation to the UFO file because Sarbacher gives us the foundation of it.
[01:56:55]  In a way, you can kind of blow away a lot of the hyperbole around the UFO field.
[01:57:01]  We have on the ground the physicist who gave us the information, and we also have the fact that the X Protect groups have blacked out Sarbacher and Brown.
[01:57:09]  So now I think.
[01:57:11]  We can take a whole new direction with this research to see exactly what is going on here.
[01:57:16]  And that, I think, is going to take us into a whole different territory because something that's quite interesting in the book, and it's going to be very tantalizing for us to leave this section on, is that over and over again, it turns out that when Townsend Brown was leaving for different projects, he would say, I have to go meet these people, and he would tell his family, I'll be back, I have to do this.
[01:57:45]  And over and over again, he would say it was San Antonio that he needed to go to.
[01:57:51]  And for years, they assumed that he was going to San Antonio, Texas, of course.
[01:57:57]  But I want to make a few points here in that where he was actually going was San Antonio, Cuba.
[01:58:07]  And in Paula Zelitsky's work, we find that her find of the hot zone discovery of this lost city under Cuba is right off of.
[01:58:18]  San Antonio, Cuba.
[01:58:19]  And it's called Cabo de San Antonio, right?
[01:58:22]  Cabo.
[01:58:22]  Did everybody get that?
[01:58:23]  That's really important.
[01:58:27]  I'm going to kind of round the points out here, but I think that this becomes where the time spent by Thomas Townsend Brown in Cuba, we might start to understand what's going on here.
[01:58:41]  Because if there are effects in those water that relate to energy production, that relate to gravitational waves, and if it all harkens back to the The aspect that there's this ancient ruins there off of Cuba, we might start to understand why he had to do these transactions over and over again in San Antonio, Cuba.
[01:59:03]  And when we bring it around, of course, Cuba is what we've been tracking in the past five episodes that have to do with Ernest Hemingway's work tracking this and his brother's New Atlantis work discovering ruins off of Bimini in Cuba.
[01:59:20]  So you can see now that we're getting what I'm seeing, what I want to communicate about the X series is what we're doing is we're looking up.
[01:59:27]  And we're looking down.
[01:59:29]  We're looking down at ruins underwater, and we're looking up at anomalies, unidentified anomalies flying around in our skies.
[01:59:39]  And in the middle of it are these groups, scientists, and power players in a geopolitical scene and a whirlwind.
[01:59:47]  But now it's all coming to light, and it needs to because we're deep, deep in it, and we can't afford to have another 40, 50 year period of silence and whitewash around these things.
[02:00:00]  We must go now.
[02:00:01]  Where the ex steganography information has taken us, and now working with it through figures like Thomas Townsend Brown and Robert Sarbarker.
[02:00:10]  Now we're getting there and we're getting there together on this.
[02:00:13]  Yes, Miss Olivia.
[02:00:14]  Najat Madri says, My mind is fried from all this deepness.
[02:00:18]  I think she's not alone.
[02:00:20]  Listen, I, you know, it is a deep, I decided not to kind of fracture this out, but to really give it a straight shot.
[02:00:29]  And it's only going to go deeper.
[02:00:32]  I can tell you, remember this figure is Professor John Trump.
[02:00:37]  And who is his mentor, Vannevar Bush?
[02:00:40]  Vannevar Bush working with Robert Saarbarker, Robert Saarbarker being close with Thomas Townsend Brown.
[02:00:48]  These things now are coming together.
[02:00:51]  But what does it mean that John Trump was sent in by the FBI and the alien, illegal alien office, as it were, alien property office, to look at Tesla's information?
[02:01:05]  And what is it that Trump says that the FBI asked him.
[02:01:09]  They were looking for information specifically related in Tesla's papers to taking down flying objects at a distance.
[02:01:18]  So there's a guy sitting in Hawaii, he has a scanner, he presses a button, and a flying object goes down over the UK.
[02:01:26]  That's what they were concerned about.

=== Vannevar Bush and Alien Property Office (11:32) ===

[02:01:28]  That's what they asked him to look in Tesla's papers over.
[02:01:31]  And of course, the official line is that he didn't find anything like that.
[02:01:34]  But the fact that they were using the term flying object, I think, gives us some idea of what.
[02:01:38]  They were concerned about with relation to Tesla's technology.
[02:01:42]  Quite fascinating.
[02:01:43]  And with that, Ms. Olivia, I turn it over to you and your questions.
[02:01:47]  I'm actually going to ask my own question first.
[02:01:49]  And that is do you have any more?
[02:01:52]  Adamski is a really controversial figure.
[02:01:56]  He is.
[02:01:57]  I have really mixed feelings about him.
[02:02:01]  I don't think it's a black and white situation.
[02:02:03]  So, what's your take on him?
[02:02:08]  George Adamski was kind of the prototype.
[02:02:13]  He is the first real public contactee.
[02:02:18]  I mean, there were books, but he's the guy who really came out and said, I'm in contact with these groups.
[02:02:26]  That's, I think, his great innovation.
[02:02:29]  But he had tons and tons and tons of footage.
[02:02:33]  You know how they're lazy now in the CIA?
[02:02:35]  They roll these guys out and they're just like, just go out there and talk about stuff.
[02:02:39]  This guy had footage, pictures, witness testimony, you know, all kinds of things.
[02:02:47]  I do feel that the story of Adamski is manipulated, but fundamentally, I think that there's something unusual about his relationship to this whole off world UFO file information.
[02:03:04]  And I do feel that his connection to theosophy might have given him an entree into what that was all about.
[02:03:09]  It might have been seen even as the next stage of interaction, because in theosophy and in anthroposophy, they talk about interaction with these other groups of beings that.
[02:03:20]  Human, you know, our human consciousness needs to kind of rise up and figure out in order to progress.
[02:03:29]  You know, they don't actually say, hey, they're from Alpha Centauri or they're Pleiadians and they're coming here.
[02:03:34]  They're talking about beings that are interacting with us.
[02:03:37]  So I think we can get a foundation there that George Adamski is one of these people who's deep, deep into theosophy.
[02:03:45]  And it seems to me that so much of his account is not hyperbole.
[02:03:53]  And then You have these hyperbolic aspects.
[02:03:57]  So, you know, it's very interesting balance.
[02:03:59]  Like you said, I do think that it's interesting that Desmond Leslie, who's a very respected author and came from a very high profile family in the UK and was a major theosophist, did a book with Adamski.
[02:04:13]  So he took him very, very seriously.
[02:04:15]  And I think many people of the period did.
[02:04:20]  Okay.
[02:04:20]  So Nimsa says, we're going back to the original statement that's what the radar is for shooting down UFOs.
[02:04:29]  I asked what radar.
[02:04:31]  Nimza responded, any phased array radar will do it, but specifically the Cobra series.
[02:04:38]  I have it on good authority that the first downed craft were inadvertently affected by German phased array radar experiments.
[02:04:45]  I think it's weird because it is interesting.
[02:04:48]  There is this period about 1947 where suddenly you have all these UFO crashes, and there's too many stories of them to all be just, you know, a hoax.
[02:04:58]  So, what is it about what we were using that suddenly the off world craft were having issues with?
[02:05:04]  That's a very interesting question, and I think radar comes up a lot in relation to it.
[02:05:09]  And then people say, well, they had all this technology, and they came across millions of light years, and they come here, and then they're going to get foiled by some little 1940s radar.
[02:05:19]  That doesn't make sense.
[02:05:21]  But what I think is that every environment is unique to that environment.
[02:05:25]  So the technology that will get you across the universe might have weird effects here, it might have a lot of apotheum effects.
[02:05:35]  Here, when you get to Earth.
[02:05:37]  But I would say that you don't need to, we don't have to speculate too much about that because what we have on the facts on the ground is that the UFOs, when they're spotted and everything in relation to the UFO file, always comes up with the apothecary style effects.
[02:05:55]  Missing time, people's consciousness feels transported, you know, power plants go down, cars stop.
[02:06:05]  You know, plants won't grow where they land.
[02:06:07]  It's all these things that obviously relate to some other physics entering this physics.
[02:06:12]  And so that becomes the key to the mystery of what the secrecy is, why it's so heavy, and why it's even protected to such a point, you know, with lethal actions.
[02:06:23]  I think that that becomes maybe a kind of a crucial aspect.
[02:06:26]  Okay, keep rolling.
[02:06:27]  Cold Ossie wanted to know what I've always found interesting with Townsend Brown is why he wasn't suicided like a lot of the anti-grav propulsion experts.
[02:06:37]  Well, I feel that the story that I told about Brown and his family, whisking his family away, it always seems to me that when the CIA was on his heels, when they wanted him to join a project, that's when he knew, like he could kind of sense that the danger was there and he withdrew.
[02:07:01]  And I think that it is fascinating and we're going to get more details around this, but it seems to me that X Protect quite possibly.
[02:07:10]  Did certainly try to make life difficult for him and also try to recruit him simultaneously.
[02:07:16]  So it's going to be a little bit of both when we look at it.
[02:07:19]  So, JJ Kay wants to know why do you think Brown has been so marginalized?
[02:07:25]  I think, like Sarbarker, if we look closely at Brown, we're going to get some answers that aren't available when you're just chasing after big eyed aliens.
[02:07:38]  You're going to find answers relating to advanced technology.
[02:07:41]  You're going to find answers.
[02:07:42]  In relation to electrogravitics, you're going to find how those deep groups recruited people like this to reverse engineer craft and possibly develop craft.
[02:07:54]  I mean, there's so many answers there, so that they have to keep a few of these figures truly underground.
[02:08:00]  And I think that Sarbaker and Brown are, and the fact that they're working together for years now, the story places them originally in World War II with Sarbaker saving Brown.
[02:08:14]  So, how many years is that?
[02:08:15]  How many decades?
[02:08:17]  And we know Sarbaker's working on the UFO file.
[02:08:20]  He admitted it himself.
[02:08:21]  So, that puts Brown right one heartbeat away from the UFO file.
[02:08:27]  Makes sense to me.
[02:08:29]  Jujie Young says, perhaps he didn't have a big ego to be manipulated.
[02:08:33]  I love that.
[02:08:34]  That's an excellent observation.
[02:08:36]  And also, he seemed like somebody who, well, he had an ethic about what he was doing from the start.
[02:08:43]  He was very patriotic also.
[02:08:46]  And also, I'm sure he wanted to move the culture forward.
[02:08:49]  Very often, the people involved with the ex share side are like that.
[02:08:52]  And I think we can start to really separate them out.
[02:08:55]  Absolutely.
[02:08:56]  Okay.
[02:08:56]  Okay.
[02:08:58]  Guitar Dave says, so.
[02:08:59]  Can we consider that the deep state CIA MSM equals sons of Belial and Sarbucker, Kennedy, Nixon, Trump equal, he says, sons of one, but it's actually children of the law of one, right?
[02:09:12]  Yeah, we really want to refer to them as the Amelius group because so many people try to bandy about the children of the law of one.
[02:09:22]  But obviously, you're speaking my language in relation to this.
[02:09:25]  Look, the story goes that back there in that.
[02:09:31]  Antediluvian period, there were those groups, the Amelius groups who wanted to use the technology for spiritual purposes, and the Belial group that used the technology and really basically blew things up.
[02:09:44]  Now, that's a kind of cosmology in one sense, but also it is a legendary record of something.
[02:09:53]  What was it exactly that was going on back there?
[02:09:56]  The Casey readings would lead us to believe it was something that played out for thousands of years.
[02:10:04]  And that with incredibly advanced technology, and there's no way that Casey could know talking in 1920 about that technology because it didn't really exist yet.
[02:10:12]  You know, lasers and all the rest of it were still imaginary in 1920, they weren't utilized until 1958.
[02:10:21]  So, there's Casey opening up his own psychic vision and giving us that vision of the past.
[02:10:27]  Before we go any further, I want to show a couple of quick things.
[02:10:30]  This might be familiar to you from looking at.
[02:10:35]  Our program on Paulina Zelitsky and her group that found these ruins off of San Antonio.
[02:10:42]  That's where we're talking about.
[02:10:46]  San Antonio, here, the very tip, the western tip of Cuba, that's where those ruins are.
[02:10:52]  That's where she found the stuff.
[02:10:54]  That's where Townsend Brown was going for these meetings over and over again.
[02:10:58]  What is the significance?
[02:10:59]  What is the link?
[02:11:00]  Why are they both going there?
[02:11:02]  Well, what do you think?
[02:11:04]  Well, we're getting deep into it now.
[02:11:06]  One other thing I want to point out is the hot zone idea.
[02:11:10]  So, when we're looking here, if these people who work in marine biology and things like that and oceanography, if there is a code when they're working for contracting agencies that says you have to stay away from this hot zone area, and this hot zone area resides somewhere between Bimini and that western tip of Cuba, then I think we're getting an unusual indication there, officially or unofficially, from these people.
[02:11:41]  This idea of a hot zone and what they would be describing there, the reason they don't want these people to run into it, because if they see something and they photograph it or if it leaks out or whatever, they put them basically under an NDA saying the hot zone activity, if you get into it, you have to kind of sign this in the beginning that says you can't disclose any of that if you see it.
[02:12:07]  So if you go under there and you see a pyramid and if you see an Atlantean temple off of Cuba, that's it.
[02:12:13]  You can't say anything about it.
[02:12:14]  But better than that, Don't go there.
[02:12:17]  Don't go around that aspect.
[02:12:19]  They're Cuban waters anyway, but that's the hot zone and it runs Bimini to Cuba.
[02:12:26]  Now it makes a lot of sense to me because we have some very unusual stories and we've done five episodes on Hemingway and Cuba, but here of course we have the JFK Library taking over the Hemingway documents and we know that JFK risked an international incident to go into.
[02:12:47]  Hemingway's villa in Cuba after he died, and retrieve a vault that was then smuggled back to this country with Mary Hemingway and was supposedly placed at the Kennedy Library, although Mary Hemingway's assistants said it was in New York.

=== Atlantis Rising and Hidden Vaults (10:39) ===

[02:13:00]  So we have now a situation that's really developing where we understand that there's something taking place over a period of many years, and all of these people are involved in some way.
[02:13:13]  And now, what we have is two different factors going on.
[02:13:18]  One of the factors is This information is coming to the surface about this advanced technology, one, and two, this kind of Atlantis rising idea where there's something down there that they've been hiding for many, many years.
[02:13:31]  And three, you're right in the middle of the geopolitical blast over the Space Force versus the phony CIA disclosure wing.
[02:13:40]  It's getting very, very tricky.
[02:13:43]  And we have to use the knowledge that we've developed in the ex steganography.
[02:13:48]  We have to use the knowledge of these people like Brown.
[02:13:53]  Like Sar Barker, like John Trump, to get us there to kind of get to that better location.
[02:14:00]  Okay, Miss Lee.
[02:14:00]  Carol Casa says maybe Brown was there to analyze gravitational anomalies there.
[02:14:07]  Yes, yes, absolutely.
[02:14:10]  And there's a very unusual story that I didn't get into about him and his relationship to the Caroline and the owner of the Caroline and the Caroline Group, which was an early intelligence agency.
[02:14:22]  So I do promise to get into that as we do more episodes on it.
[02:14:25]  One of the things I will say, It was quite unusual, as you know, because we've done those interesting episodes on Alice in Wonderland relating to the Orphic Circle and the Mystery School.
[02:14:37]  But the person who ran the Caroline yacht kept a copy of Alice in Wonderland, the original copy of the book from Charles Dunn.
[02:14:46]  This is the manuscript.
[02:14:48]  It is.
[02:14:48]  This is not.
[02:14:49]  It's the main right.
[02:14:50]  Like the first printing.
[02:14:51]  This is the actual one and only manuscript.
[02:14:54]  And it's interesting, too, because.
[02:14:58]  What I found out about this that I found so fascinating is that Calvin Coolidge, as president during this period in the 20s, actually wanted to see it.
[02:15:10]  He wanted him to bring it to the White House so he could look at it, which I found amazing.
[02:15:14]  The other thing about the book, the original book, which, as I said, my impression of the book is that it was directly related to Emma Britton and her experiences, and that she was the original Alice going into Wonderland.
[02:15:27]  When they were kind of putting her in these states, she was going into hyperspace.
[02:15:32]  But what is so fascinating is that he kept the book in this waterproof box, basically, that was a clear box and would float if the yacht sank so that nothing would ever happen to that book.
[02:15:49]  So it's all very, very strange.
[02:15:51]  And I do feel that.
[02:15:54]  I mean, but that should be something in a museum, you know, in a private collection.
[02:15:58]  Why would you even risk it on a boat?
[02:16:00]  It is very, very interesting.
[02:16:02]  And that is just the tip of the iceberg with how weird the Caroline group is.
[02:16:07]  It's like it speaks that it's actually almost like a sacred object.
[02:16:12]  Yes.
[02:16:13]  Well, think of it too.
[02:16:14]  Let's look at this from a wide angle view, just talking about biographical information.
[02:16:22]  You know, one of the things that happens to Brown is when he goes there to Cuba on this program, and, you know, they're going to test out submarines, these new submarines.
[02:16:33]  And he goes there and there's an earthquake.
[02:16:36]  I find that significant too.
[02:16:38]  Something about that struck me as very interesting.
[02:16:41]  One, two, I wonder if something about the submarines around this part of Cuba, if they didn't really spot these ruins at a much earlier period, like the 20s or the 30s, when they were first experimenting with this stuff.
[02:16:54]  You know, there's a lot of unanswered questions about what was going on there.
[02:16:59]  And I think the fact that his work drew him back over and over again to San Antonio in Cuba.
[02:17:07]  We have to go very deep on that.
[02:17:09]  I think it's going to be explosive.
[02:17:11]  Okay, keep rolling.
[02:17:14]  Just as an aside, Nimsa says the former world's biggest phased array radar transmitter is up in Alaska, built in 75 as part of the Cobra series, and was nicknamed Big Alice.
[02:17:26]  Very interesting.
[02:17:28]  And of course, you know, CERN and Alice and all of that.
[02:17:32]  Okay, so this is so incredible.
[02:17:37]  Living Soul Quickening Spirit says, Is the nature of X tech, if misused, capable of destroying harmonic relationships with terrestrial, extraterrestrial, and celestial objects?
[02:17:48]  Jimroy the Heretic then said, Masers are now weapons of molecular disassembly.
[02:17:55]  They aim them at UFOs in low orbit before they enter airspace.
[02:17:59]  Bugzapper 9 11 tech and ETs walking through walls is tech that disassembles molecules.
[02:18:07]  Well, this is interesting.
[02:18:08]  One of the Things that I point out as a bullet list of apotheum effects.
[02:18:13]  Now, apotheum effect is when a UFO shows up and all these strange things happen.
[02:18:18]  One of the unusual things that the abductees report is this thing about them walking through walls.
[02:18:24]  And it is quite unusual, I think.
[02:18:26]  You know, how is that done exactly?
[02:18:30]  What kind of physics are they operating with?
[02:18:33]  So, we're looking at something very, very unusual in relation to that.
[02:18:39]  I do feel that when we look at That kind of runaway physics technology, that it is something that we've been studying for a long time.
[02:18:51]  And I think that they look back.
[02:18:54]  We've seen these reports where the CIA goes back and looks for Noah's Ark.
[02:18:57]  And, you know, we've seen these reports about the looting of the Baghdad Museum, looking for these artifacts that relate to the Sumerian tale of this advanced technology and this war that took place back there.
[02:19:09]  I think there's an old echo to this story.
[02:19:12]  And I think that the mystery schools hold that apothegm story, the destruction of Atlantis, which Plato gave us.
[02:19:21]  That story.
[02:19:23]  And it relates to this period of time.
[02:19:25]  One of the very unusual things, and I follow the Casey readings quite a bit, Casey said that we wouldn't discover this particular Atlantean technology till 1958.
[02:19:37]  That would be the first kind of inkling of some of the two eye technology.
[02:19:42]  And interestingly enough, that's when we discovered the laser.
[02:19:46]  So he definitely is referring to the two eye technology that the Atlanteans had that they destroyed themselves with.
[02:19:55]  As this strange laser technology.
[02:19:58]  Now, you know, when we're dealing with the X series, we include the psychic research, the psychic archaeology is a crucial aspect because when you're just looking at these things without that extra piece, you're losing it because a lot of people can really drill down and say, you know, we know these ruins, we know some dates.
[02:20:22]  And then a lot of other people can look at the political side and say that, you know, we know these things are going on.
[02:20:26]  But unless you Bring the mystery school aspect into it and their knowledge, which really is fundamentally alchemical, then I don't think we understand these things correctly.
[02:20:43]  You know, we're missing a big piece of it.
[02:20:44]  That's why the work of people like Gigi Young, for example, is so important because we're getting the traditional research on the ground on one hand, but we're checking it against a Casey style source to open up.
[02:20:59]  The information further.
[02:21:00]  We have that ability.
[02:21:02]  That, I think, is a crucial point.
[02:21:04]  Okay, keep rolling.
[02:21:04]  A cult fan wanted to know what mechanics do you think are used to transport consciousness, i.e., the jump room?
[02:21:11]  Inversely, what mechanics for interstellar travel?
[02:21:17]  Well, I think the idea fundamentally is that there are multiple layers of reality and that there are certain physical rules, physical laws that we can discover.
[02:21:33]  That can help us access those other versions of reality.
[02:21:38]  And so I think the knowledge aspect goes deep.
[02:21:45]  But I think that in terms of like projecting our minds, it's interesting because so many of the mystery school people, like Steiner, like Casey, they talk so much about how we have this ability to project ourselves into things.
[02:22:04]  So, This is when we have our kind of spiritual faculties intact.
[02:22:10]  We have those extra, you know, they say we only use 7% of our brain.
[02:22:14]  We have the other 93% working.
[02:22:18]  We apparently are capable of all sorts of visionings and things.
[02:22:22]  One of the important stories along this line is that Ingo Swan was recruited into a program, very unusual program, and it was to remote view the moon.
[02:22:34]  And he saw some of the activities that were going on there with work we were doing up there.
[02:22:40]  And of course, we know that officially there's no work that we have going on there.
[02:22:45]  But one of the very unusual things is that when he was projecting his consciousness there and viewing it, he became aware of another telepath observing him.
[02:22:54]  And his instructor there in this deep government program told him, Get out, get out of there now.
[02:23:00]  We don't want them to see us.
[02:23:01]  So they're very aware of these dynamics.
[02:23:04]  And so the consciousness dynamic and how our consciousness can move into different things goes far, far beyond anything physical.
[02:23:11]  So when we're talking about theosophy and anthroposophy, they teach us about what?
[02:23:16]  Etheric bodies, astral bodies.
[02:23:18]  So there's a separate line of consciousness here.
[02:23:21]  And about the only rational piece of it we get in our day to day lives is remembering that strange dream we had of a friend and then they show up.
[02:23:31]  That's kind of the active link on the psychic side that's operational still in just a day to day dim consciousness.

=== Consciousness Dynamics Beyond Physics (05:22) ===

[02:23:39]  Stephen Fleming, Russia announced it's building a base in the Caribbean in the hot zone.
[02:23:44]  Can you comment on that?
[02:23:46]  Excellent point.
[02:23:47]  They are building a base in the hot zone.
[02:23:51]  Russia wants a piece of that.
[02:23:52]  Now, interestingly enough, Russia is doing that in relation to Venezuela because Venezuela is very worried that we're going to roll tanks in there to get their oil.
[02:24:03]  But also, now Russia has not developed that type of activity or base since the Cuban Missile Crisis.
[02:24:10]  We've pointed out the aspects around Cuba and the Cuban Missile Crisis, extrapolating beyond just the geopolitical situation into the fact that this was about the hot zone activity.
[02:24:23]  So, there's something very, very unusual about them being over there.
[02:24:27]  And it's very provocative, apparently, very obviously.
[02:24:32]  So, we're in a very unusual situation.
[02:24:34]  I think you're going to see more things relating to Cuba.
[02:24:37]  First, we had the Cuban diplomats issue.
[02:24:41]  We have Zelitsky's strange project cut short, and her kind of just hanging out there midair after making all these incredible, earth shattering pronouncements.
[02:24:51]  And now we have Russia building a base at the behest of Venezuela.
[02:24:55]  Close to Cuba.
[02:24:56]  So, you know, I think these are the things that let us know there's a lot more going on beneath the surface.
[02:25:04]  Okay, we'll take two more questions.
[02:25:06]  Okay, so esoteric 369 wall.
[02:25:08]  DJ, do you really think Donald Trump knows about what his uncle Trump knows or knew?
[02:25:14]  I do.
[02:25:15]  I do.
[02:25:16]  I think that Trump knows.
[02:25:17]  And I think the aspects that he could not get from uncle John Trump, he got from his good friend, former President Nixon.
[02:25:27]  And I think.
[02:25:29]  You know, it's on the record that they were close friends, and that I believe that Trump and his successful trajectory to the presidency is largely a result of his relationship with President Nixon, former President Nixon.
[02:25:44]  And it's interesting because when we think of Nixon and the time capsule aspect, the story floating out there, I wonder very much how much of that he related to Trump.
[02:25:59]  I find Trump to be far more informed about these things, love him or hate him, than anyone would give him credit for.
[02:26:09]  And I think we're seeing some of this play out with his pronouncements around the Space Force and the bringing everything back to America.
[02:26:16]  I think that we're seeing someone who's a very deep player on the knowledge side.
[02:26:21]  And I think there's no question that John Trump was right in the heart of the X Tech, and there's no getting around that.
[02:26:29]  Okay, Justin Thomas, when is DJ going to make the X technology docu movie?
[02:26:35]  Well, you're getting a pretty good foundation here.
[02:26:38]  I think what I like about what's going on here is that we are building the foundation knowledge wise to give us the ability to really understand a chapter in history that's missing, and then beyond that, to understand a whole legacy from a mystery school tradition right down to our present geopolitical situation.
[02:27:03]  And so I guess the answer is it's coming.
[02:27:08]  It's coming.
[02:27:09]  Okay, we'll take one more.
[02:27:10]  Okay, JJK gets the final question.
[02:27:12]  Yes.
[02:27:13]  What is it going to take for ordinary citizens to get access to the UFO files?
[02:27:20]  I mean, they belong to us.
[02:27:23]  So, what's it going to take?
[02:27:25]  You'll never get them through the government.
[02:27:27]  Forget about that.
[02:27:29]  But a group like what Thomas Brown was talking about with NICAP, that's where he was going with it.
[02:27:39]  You know, the X share approach.
[02:27:42]  And I think as we use things like ex steganography and our deep research to get at these things, we're moving closer.
[02:27:50]  I don't expect help from governments, but I do think individuals and groups can network together to make these things happen.
[02:27:57]  I wouldn't waste any time trying to get the information from the government, and I wouldn't accept any pronouncements from a government run disclosure program that was headed by the CIA.
[02:28:08]  Fundamentally, we are trained to lie and operate as an extra constitutional force.
[02:28:13]  So, I think the best answer is that we can use the resources that we have to get at the answers.
[02:28:21]  And maybe the culture will move as a result of that and it'll cause that kind of a ripple for sure.
[02:28:29]  But in any case, we as a group having the information can do it.
[02:28:33]  I think that that's important.
[02:28:35]  This discussion right here, the things that we're opening up, this is the opening up of the dialogue.
[02:28:42]  And we're in 43 episodes now.
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=== Opening the Dialogue for Next Week (02:40) ===

[02:29:02]  It's fantastic to have so many people out there tonight, just a great crowd, great questions.
[02:29:08]  And let me tell you, as with everything, with Thomas Townsend Brown, we've only scratched the surface and it's going so deep.
[02:29:14]  But we're drawing those important connections in relation to the work that we're doing here on the X series.
[02:29:19]  And, you know, I really want to thank the people who've put so much on the record from Brown's family and the whistleblowers and the people that he knew.
[02:29:30]  And the effort behind this sprawling and, you know, interesting book of so many pages that, you know, when it was put out, it got some criticism because it wasn't so well edited and all these types of things.
[02:29:44]  And I think I have the author's first draft, but it is.
[02:29:49]  It's a treasure trove of anecdotes and facts, nonetheless.
[02:29:54]  And so, in that sense, everyone involved deserves a great hand for putting it together.
[02:29:59]  We will be back with you next Friday going deep into the Hot Zone.
[02:30:04]  The Hot Zone and the X Share are now going to be, we're going to focus on them quite a bit in the episodes that are coming up.
[02:30:14]  And we have some great, fantastic guests coming up for you.
[02:30:17]  I want to do a couple of shout outs to, I see Najat is out there.
[02:30:20]  It's great.
[02:30:20]  Nimza, great questions as usual.
[02:30:22]  Scruples, thank you so much.
[02:30:26]  Occult fan, he's out there.
[02:30:27]  You know he's out there.
[02:30:29]  Starlight, TJ Libertyville, fantastic.
[02:30:33]  Occult priestess, CJ Raymer.
[02:30:36]  CJ Raymer, yes.
[02:30:37]  Excellent.
[02:30:38]  Thank you so much.
[02:30:38]  Soul Sista.
[02:30:39]  And I know I saw Deep State Kate out there.
[02:30:43]  Kate Schneider is out there.
[02:30:46]  And we also have Michael Wise and Nish is out there.
[02:30:52]  Yes.
[02:30:54]  The dream girl.
[02:30:54]  There's a few interesting dreams in this one.
[02:30:57]  We will be back with you next week and Friday at our usual time.
[02:31:03]  And we're going to be going deep.
[02:31:04]  Thank you so much and have a great weekend.
[02:31:06]  And finally, Miss Olivia.
[02:31:08]  Fantastic job, by the way.
[02:31:10]  Incredible.
[02:31:10]  But the ultimate question here is what's tonight?
[02:31:14]  It's a tater tot kind of night.
[02:31:17]  I think with the ketchup, with the sriracha.
[02:31:20]  That's what I'm thinking.
[02:31:20]  Sriracha.
[02:31:21]  Yes, like spicy ketchup.
[02:31:23]  Spicy ketchup.
[02:31:25]  That's probably a good note to end this on.
[02:31:27]  Thank you so much, everyone.
[02:31:28]  And we will see you.
[02:31:30]  Thomas Tyson, it's great to see you too.
[02:31:32]  We will see you next week and have a great weekend.
[02:31:35]  Thank you, everybody.
[02:31:36]  Have a great week.
[02:31:38]  Have a sriracha kind of a week.
[02:31:39]  Bye.
[02:31:40]  you