Dark Journalist - DARK JOURNALIST & JIM MARRS - AKHENATEN ALIEN DNA & REMOTE VIEWING UFOS
Aired: 2016-02-08
Duration: 01:38:33


=== Cracks in the Wall of Secrecy (04:50) ===

[00:00:14]  Hi, this is Dark Journalist.
[00:00:15]  Today I'm excited to welcome back best selling author Jim Mars to the show.
[00:00:19]  Now, Jim has written some of the true classics of alternative research, and today we'll focus on one of those classics, the blockbuster Alien Agenda, that set the tone for deep research into the fascinating topic of UFOs.
[00:00:31]  We'll also explore his most recent research, which contains some shocking revelations that will definitely shake up the mainstream view, which lives in denial as a result of a massive cover up.
[00:00:40]  Now, Jim has traced the ET presence all the way back to ancient times and believes we're looking at genetic engineering scenarios as far back as the period of Moses.
[00:00:49]  Some of these revelations involve the enigmatic pharaoh Akhenaten and his bizarre prophecy.
[00:00:54]  Does the past hold the keys to our future?
[00:00:56]  Here we go.
[00:00:57]  Jim Mars.
[00:00:59]  Akhenaten, alien DNA, and remote viewing UFOs.
[00:01:15]  You mess with this stuff long enough and you're going to really realize you're down the rabbit hole.
[00:01:20]  The UFO phenomenon did not start in 1945 or 47, okay?
[00:01:25]  You can go all the way back through history.
[00:01:27]  You can go back to Ezekiel, the fiery wheel in the Old Testament.
[00:01:32]  Moses, by the way, is not even a name, it's a title.
[00:01:37]  And Moses, back at that time, was translated as the true pretender to the throne.
[00:01:42]  So Moses was actually Akhenaten.
[00:01:44]  He tweaked the DNA and he kind of developed.
[00:01:48]  The breed with an Anunnaki female who carried the term and produced what was a hybrid.
[00:01:58]  You know, as we proceed into the 21st century, our culture and society are debilitated by a lack of understanding of the subject of UFOs, off world civilizations, and the advanced technology that they represent.
[00:02:10]  The secrecy, in fact, has become so absurd that the average person now believes that the government and media are lying to them on these sensitive topics.
[00:02:18]  And they're right.
[00:02:19]  But lately, we may have seen some cracks in that wall of secrecy.
[00:02:22]  From Pepsi commercials featuring the Black Knight satellite of UFO lore, to the latest admission by NASA that they may have found the elusive Planet X, long championed by the late UFO researcher Zachariah Sitchin.
[00:02:35]  There is a sense out there that even traditional institutions and corporations feel that UFO denial is unsustainable, and that we need a new view to match a new era.
[00:02:46]  But the covert gatekeepers are more committed than ever to keeping the truth and the advanced technology to themselves.
[00:02:52]  What are they so afraid of, and what are they trying to hide?
[00:02:55]  Let's go ask Jim Mars.
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[00:04:54]  Jim, it's great to have you back on the show.
[00:04:56]  I spent some time rereading your classic book, Alien Agenda.
[00:05:00]  And of course, we did a conference together recently where you presented on the subject.

=== Kennedy's Visit to Area 51 (14:47) ===

[00:05:04]  Right.
[00:05:05]  And I was just impressed with the amount of whistleblower testimony, cases, reports, photos, videos, and just the sweeping picture that you create of a totally fantastic and unexplained phenomena, which is just now a part of our everyday reality, whether or not the media or the government even want to acknowledge it.
[00:05:25]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:05:26]  Now we'll go deep into ancient times to find the roots of this modern mystery based on your very latest research.
[00:05:32]  But let's start with a case that you brought to light originally in the book.
[00:05:37]  And that's the Maury Island case, which I think is rife with strange connections and is really a telling case when it comes to why there's so much secrecy around this topic.
[00:05:48]  There's some incredible crossovers and tie ins there, right?
[00:05:52]  Oh, yeah.
[00:05:53]  Kenneth Arnold investigates the case.
[00:05:55]  Yeah.
[00:05:56]  And it's right after he's had his major sighting.
[00:05:59]  And we also have Fred Christman involved in this.
[00:06:03]  Fred Lee Christman.
[00:06:04]  We know he has a strange history.
[00:06:05]  And Guy Bannister.
[00:06:07]  Right.
[00:06:08]  Both of whom end up in New Orleans mixed up with Lee Harvey Oswald.
[00:06:13]  Yes, and that's off the charts.
[00:06:15]  Now, how do we square these unusual connections between the deep state and the space program?
[00:06:21]  Because we know that Oswald himself was telling every one of his co workers who would listen at Riley.
[00:06:26]  That he was going to work for NASA.
[00:06:28]  NASA.
[00:06:29]  So, what is it that all of these links represent?
[00:06:32]  Yeah, the NASA connection with Oswald is really fascinating.
[00:06:36]  The fact that he said, I told people there at Riley he was going to go work for NASA.
[00:06:40]  Well, this ties into what Jim Garrison was telling me one time about that he went to several people there at Riley who had worked with Oswald, and he was trying to get them to come and testify at his trial against Clay Shaw as being part of a conspiracy to kill Kennedy.
[00:06:56]  And there were like three or four of them.
[00:06:59]  And all of a sudden, they all got offered better jobs at the NASA facility outside New Orleans.
[00:07:05]  And they said, for national security reasons, they wouldn't allow them to come and testify.
[00:07:10]  Oh, unbelievable.
[00:07:11]  Well, thanks a lot.
[00:07:12]  So, again, there's a huge mysterious military industrial intelligence connection between Oswald, NASA, and the Jim Garrison investigation.
[00:07:23]  Well, it is interesting to revisit the public's attitude towards UFOs during the JFK era.
[00:07:29]  Of course, you know, there was a real learning curve going on there at the time.
[00:07:33]  They'd had huge waves of sightings in the 40s, but things like the Roswell incident, for example, didn't even get revealed until the 1980s.
[00:07:42]  So at that time, no one even knew about that.
[00:07:44]  So at the time, what we had were contactees, you know, people who would come out and talk about their communications with benevolent entities or even beautiful Venusians.
[00:07:55]  And then the character of the UFO phenomena changed with the abduction case of Betty and Barney Hill.
[00:08:02]  Now, how did that alter the terrain?
[00:08:04]  Well, first, I was looking up here in Alien Agenda.
[00:08:07]  I've got this incredibly good quote before we get totally off of Kennedy.
[00:08:13]  Oh, yeah.
[00:08:14]  From Bill Holden, who was the loadmaster for Air Force One.
[00:08:19]  Yes.
[00:08:21]  And I believe it was in the summer of '63, I suppose, I think, when.
[00:08:33]  Kennedy went to Europe and made his famous Ich bin ein Berliner speech.
[00:08:38]  And it seems that there had been some UFO incidents in Europe, and they were making some headlines around there.
[00:08:47]  And so this Bill Holden told me that Kennedy was actually pretty approachable.
[00:08:53]  You know, he was a good guy.
[00:08:55]  Right.
[00:08:55]  And said while they were on Air Force One, he approached Kennedy and he said, What do you think about UFOs, Mr. President?
[00:09:05]  And he said, Kennedy became quite serious, thought for a moment, and then said, I'd like to tell the public about the alien situation, but my hands are tied.
[00:09:16]  Whoa.
[00:09:16]  Yeah.
[00:09:17]  Yeah.
[00:09:18]  Okay.
[00:09:18]  Aliens.
[00:09:20]  And of course, this also gets into the issue that Merrill Monroe.
[00:09:28]  Right before she died, she had told friends that she was going to tell secrets that she had learned from Kennedy, both of the Kennedy brothers.
[00:09:37]  And the number one secret she talked about was she said President Kennedy had journeyed to a secret airbase.
[00:09:46]  I figure this is Area 51.
[00:09:48]  Okay.
[00:09:49]  And viewed things from space.
[00:09:52]  So he knew.
[00:09:53]  He knew.
[00:09:54]  In fact, there's a real interesting tie in there.
[00:09:57]  Back in the forties, there was a government, uh, group called the interplanetary phenomenon group, which when I first heard about that, I said, Oh, that's just got to be some kind of joke, you know, but it was very real.
[00:10:09]  It's been documented.
[00:10:10]  There are documents now found from this group.
[00:10:14]  And in 1947, they actually produced a report on the Roswell crash and it is pretty specific and pretty out there.
[00:10:23]  They talked about two different landing zones, LZ1, LZ2.
[00:10:27]  They talked about multiple bodies being found.
[00:10:30]  They talked about the whole thing.
[00:10:32]  They, and they gave names, dates, places.
[00:10:34]  They also were the first that I know that mentioned that before the crash in Roswell, there were all kinds of sightings around New Mexico.
[00:10:42]  And in fact, they had been picking up unidentified objects on their radar.
[00:10:47]  And it was becoming quite a concern to them through the first part of that week in July preceding the crash at Roswell.
[00:10:56]  But in the back of this report, It said one of the few members of Congress to have knowledge of this is Representative John F. Kennedy of Massachusetts.
[00:11:07]  And it said he had served in naval, he was in naval intelligence, and was an officer in naval intelligence, and that he apparently had a source of information within the office of the Secretary of the Air Force.
[00:11:20]  Or, yeah, Secretary of the Air Force, I guess.
[00:11:23]  At that time, it would have been the Army Air Corps.
[00:11:27]  Now, that's true.
[00:11:29]  Uh, most people only know Kennedy's background as being the commander of the PT 109, right?
[00:11:34]  Which he got sunk by a Japanese, uh, destroyer in the South Pacific.
[00:11:39]  But it's true that prior to that, he had served in Washington with naval intelligence.
[00:11:44]  So, see, that tells you that this is a legitimate report.
[00:11:48]  And that tells you that Kennedy, as far back as 1947, knew that, uh, the Roswell was the real deal and that something very unearthly had happened there.
[00:12:00]  And then that leads to the story of, um, These two guys who worked at photographers worked at Area 51.
[00:12:08]  And they tell the story that they didn't get to go down into the underground levels to find out where all the really top secret stuff was, but that they did work there as photographers and that they were privy to the lunchroom, employee lunchroom there, and said they would go in there and there was in the lunchroom and they got to see and meet some of these Nazi paperclip.
[00:12:34]  Scientists, okay, and other people who were working in this deep underground.
[00:12:40]  And they tell in the fall of '62, I believe it was, that the buzz was going around that the president was going to make a visit.
[00:12:49]  And the attitude was kind of, oh, well, you know, don't worry.
[00:12:52]  You know, we'll give him the dog and pony show and he'll go away, you know.
[00:12:57]  And then afterwards, they said the tone totally shifted and that there was a big, everybody in there was angry and that the word was that Kennedy had threatened to cut their funding and they were all grousing and complaining about him.
[00:13:13]  Okay.
[00:13:14]  So to me, what this tells me is that Kennedy probably did go visit Area 51.
[00:13:21]  And probably was given the usual tour, nothing here to see, you know.
[00:13:26]  Yeah, we just have some experimental aircraft and nothing here.
[00:13:29]  But since he had known since 1947 that the crash was real, there were bodies, I think he probably blew up at him and said, Look, you're not telling me the truth.
[00:13:39]  I'm president of the United States.
[00:13:40]  I'm going to cut your budget.
[00:13:41]  I'm going to, you know, you guys need to start leveling with you.
[00:13:44]  And as a matter of fact, I think that might have been one of the straws that broke the camel's back.
[00:13:50]  And I think there were people, military, industrial, and intelligence people.
[00:13:56]  Higher ups at that time that said, This guy's getting out of control, you know, and he's going to blow national security secrets.
[00:14:03]  We better see that something is taken care of here.
[00:14:06]  Well, it is fascinating to consider that we have whistleblower testimony on the record that Eisenhower was actually telling the people at Area 51 that he was going to invade that base with an army division if they didn't tell him what he wanted to know about the UFO technology that was being researched there.
[00:14:25]  So we see there again that.
[00:14:27]  Power struggle between the executive branch and this kind of breakaway civilization military force that's there using this technology and actively reverse engineering it.
[00:14:38]  Right.
[00:14:38]  And I think, for my money, Eisenhower was probably the last president that was fully briefed on the ET UFO situation.
[00:14:50]  And I think with it, once Kenny got in, they figured they could smooth it over with him and, you know, put blinders on him.
[00:14:59]  But see, He already knew.
[00:15:01]  So that caused him a problem.
[00:15:03]  Right.
[00:15:03]  Now, everybody else for Johnson, of course, was their boy bought and paid for.
[00:15:07]  So he wouldn't give him any trouble.
[00:15:09]  And then everybody else, they're going up to Richard Nixon, right?
[00:15:14]  And that gets to the Jackie Gleason story.
[00:15:17]  Jackie Gleason, the famous comedian, told his wife and told close friends, and then even told a fellow that I met personally that Nixon had taken him to a secret air base and they had seen things from space.
[00:15:30]  Okay.
[00:15:31]  So Nixon knew about it too, but probably only to a limited degree.
[00:15:35]  And then you get to Jimmy Carter, and we find out that Jimmy Carter, well, at first you had Gerald Ford, our unelected president.
[00:15:43]  And there's an interesting story there in that early on back, I'd have to look and see what it was, but I think it was in the late 50s that there was a huge UFO sighting up in Michigan, his home state.
[00:15:57]  And they sent J. Allen Hynek up there, who at this time was a famous astronomer working for the government.
[00:16:04]  And he made a press conference and said, Oh, it was swamp gas.
[00:16:09]  Right.
[00:16:09]  That's the classic right there.
[00:16:11]  Classic.
[00:16:11]  In fact, that's been a joke ever since.
[00:16:13]  You know, it's always swamp gas.
[00:16:15]  Right.
[00:16:16]  It's swamp gas or weather balloons.
[00:16:18]  They're sort of neck and neck on that.
[00:16:19]  Yeah.
[00:16:20]  Well, the idea that they had all mistaken swamp gas for UFOs so enraged those people in Michigan, understandably so, that they got on to their representative, Gerald Ford, and said, You know, this is not right.
[00:16:33]  Gerald Ford went public and said, I'm going to convene some committee hearings in Washington and we're going to study this UFO thing.
[00:16:40]  We're going to find out what, get to the bottom of it, find out what's really going to happen, you know?
[00:16:44]  And then all of a sudden, nothing happened, you know?
[00:16:47]  There was never any hearings, never anything more, but he got to be our unelected president.
[00:16:53]  Right.
[00:16:54]  So, see, he kept his peace and they took care of him.
[00:16:58]  Okay.
[00:16:59]  And then Jimmy Carter, if you'll remember, campaigning, said that it was asked about UFOs and he said, I've seen one.
[00:17:06]  You know, and he gave a very detailed description of seeing this UFO and he promised that he would, it got to be president, that he would tell the people, he would find out the truth about UFOs and tell it to the people.
[00:17:18]  But then, That didn't happen either.
[00:17:21]  Yes, right.
[00:17:22]  He backed off.
[00:17:23]  And then we, and you can bring, you come right on up.
[00:17:25]  Of course, Reagan, he didn't get a chance to do anything because they shot him right away.
[00:17:29]  Exactly.
[00:17:31]  And George Bush pretty well ran the presidency there for a while.
[00:17:34]  And then poor Reagan, he got Alzheimer's.
[00:17:37]  He forgot about it.
[00:17:39]  So then we get to Bill Clinton.
[00:17:42]  Okay.
[00:17:42]  Bill Clinton sent his old golfing buddy, Webster Hubble, he appointed him an associate attorney general of the United States and sent him to the Justice Department.
[00:17:52]  And in a book in his biography, Hubble says, Bill told him, He said, Webb, I'm sending you to the Justice Department because I want you to find out two things for me.
[00:18:01]  He said, I want to find out who killed Kennedy, and I want to find out what's the truth about UFOs.
[00:18:07]  And Hubble said he did not feel he was able to get to the information on either one of those.
[00:18:13]  Right.
[00:18:13]  So, see, even the President of the United States, there are secrecy levels even higher than the presidency.
[00:18:20]  Oh, yeah, absolutely.
[00:18:21]  And you mentioned President Carter in there.
[00:18:23]  If we look at that era of the 70s and the openness, the kind of intense interest around the UFO subject, you know, we even had the movie Close Encounters, which was a huge blockbuster hit that was directed by Steven Spielberg.
[00:18:37]  So you can see there was a real appetite in the public's mind for this topic.
[00:18:41]  The Betty and Barney Hill case became a TV movie.
[00:18:44]  So it was all going mainstream.
[00:18:46]  And by the time you get into the 80s, there are movies like E.T. that really carry that wave along.
[00:18:52]  And by the time we get to the 90s, you know, you're looking at.
[00:18:55]  Abductee research.
[00:18:57]  Everything is about abductees.
[00:18:58]  And then a Harvard professor comes out, John Mack, and says, I'm studying abductees and I'm actively researching this program.
[00:19:05]  And that kind of blows the lid off of everything.
[00:19:07]  You know, even Time magazine tries to pen this guy back into a cage and get control of the situation.
[00:19:13]  So it was a pretty wild period.
[00:19:15]  And that was really interesting, too, because there at Harvard with Mr. Mack, he had credibility and he had credentials.
[00:19:24]  In fact, they tried to shut him down.
[00:19:26]  You know, they.
[00:19:27]  They set up a peer review or some kind of review committee there that were saying, you know, basically is like, what is this nut saying here, you know?
[00:19:37]  And it's interesting because they, I think they were after his job and his head, and they got neither one because they said, well, we're not sure we believe all this stuff, but his methodology is correct.

=== Retired Military Come Forward (06:08) ===

[00:19:52]  And apparently, these people are saying these things.
[00:19:55]  So basically, you know, he's saying people are being dubbed by aliens and they reviewed it.
[00:20:02]  And basically, left him where he was, which to me tells us that he's telling the truth.
[00:20:07]  And these people are telling the truth as best they know it.
[00:20:10]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:20:11]  And the amazing number of cases that he had where he would lead a patient through a hypnotic regression and help uncover these suppressed memories of those contacts really fascinating work.
[00:20:22]  And I was lucky enough to meet Dr. Mack, and I felt like he was a really stellar professional.
[00:20:27]  But Mack was probably the most legitimate person dealing with this topic.
[00:20:32]  But then We also had people like astronauts Gordon Cooper and Edgar Mitchell, who sadly we just lost.
[00:20:40]  They came forward and said many of their fellow astronauts know more, and the military understands that off world visitors are a part of our reality now.
[00:20:50]  And so they were trying to break through with this.
[00:20:52]  At that point, I'd say in the late 90s, we were on the threshold of a new paradigm.
[00:20:57]  And then after 9 11, it became all about terror.
[00:21:01]  But there is that awareness still lingering there.
[00:21:04]  Well, there's been a whole, I call it a conditioning process.
[00:21:09]  We've been conditioned.
[00:21:11]  To begin to accept all this, you go back to the 1950s and you'll find that the national poll showed that the vast majority of people disbelieve there's any kind of life outside the earth.
[00:21:22]  And that's why when people started talking about science fiction, mainstream people and mainstream media just said, well, that's ridiculous.
[00:21:30]  There's nothing there.
[00:21:31]  And it was just a very small niche, you know, of people that were trying to be serious about UFOs.
[00:21:39]  And in fact, you know, but even then, People who did believe in UFOs, their big burning question was, well, do they come from Mars or do they come from Venus?
[00:21:49]  No.
[00:21:49]  But as we got into the 60s and we got into the government investigations and the hills, Budding Barney Hill, their story, which was intriguing because up until then it was just lights in the sky.
[00:22:07]  And now all of a sudden, here's people talking about seeing real physical aliens who had taken them.
[00:22:13]  And taking them aboard some alien craft and all like that.
[00:22:15]  Well, that really struck the public consciousness, maybe more so in the field of entertainment than in true news, but at least it was increasing the consciousness.
[00:22:25]  So by the sixties and into the seventies, the question became not whether they came from Mars or Venus, but do they come from Alpha Centauri or Zeta Reticula four?
[00:22:36]  You know, we expanded our consciousness.
[00:22:38]  We got a little more sophisticated.
[00:22:41]  And then, of course, now into the nineties and into the day, we've even gotten more sophisticated because there are legitimate.
[00:22:47]  Questions now about well, do they come from another planet?
[00:22:50]  Do they come from another star system?
[00:22:52]  Do they come from another time?
[00:22:54]  Do they come from another dimension?
[00:22:56]  You know, and personally, I think the answer is yes, all of the above.
[00:23:03]  All the above, you know, I think that the earth has a somewhat interesting position in the universe, and I think a lot of people are interested in who we are and what we're doing.
[00:23:16]  Some may be more from a beneficent.
[00:23:20]  Viewpoint than others, but all of them I think are kind of intrigued by us.
[00:23:24]  That is so interesting.
[00:23:26]  Well, one of the big breakthroughs around this was retired military personnel started coming forward.
[00:23:32]  So, on one side, we had a prestigious academic like Mack from Harvard University coming forward and confirming this.
[00:23:39]  And then on the other end of the spectrum was someone like Lieutenant Colonel Philip Corso, who confirmed, in fact, that the military had reverse engineered UFO technology.
[00:23:50]  And he almost immediately came under a firestorm of criticism from the military, from the media, and certainly never could be said to have benefited in any way from coming forward.
[00:24:00]  Quite the opposite, actually.
[00:24:02]  That's true.
[00:24:03]  But, you know, what's funny is that I've talked to some of the people like Colonel John Alexander, okay, who worked with Corso, knew him quite well.
[00:24:12]  And he says he kind of disses his accounts of dealing with aliens and alien technology and all like that.
[00:24:20]  But then on the other hand, he tells me, Yeah, but he was a real honest guy.
[00:24:23]  Great guy.
[00:24:24]  And I was just like, wait a minute.
[00:24:26]  Some things just don't add up.
[00:24:28]  Kind of a disconnect there, you know?
[00:24:30]  Yeah, yeah, he's an honest guy, but don't believe what he said.
[00:24:32]  Right, right.
[00:24:34]  Huh.
[00:24:34]  Now, what do you think about Colonel Corso's revelations about military awareness of ETs?
[00:24:40]  It comes back to mindsets.
[00:24:42]  Okay.
[00:24:42]  It's your mindset.
[00:24:45]  Philip Corso, for example, Colonel Corso, he was a World War II guy.
[00:24:50]  Okay.
[00:24:50]  And then he was operating in his prime during the Cold War.
[00:24:54]  Well, everything was national security and everything was watch out.
[00:24:57]  There's communist spies everywhere, you know, blah, blah.
[00:25:00]  So I remember one time when I was interviewing him, I said, Colonel Corso, in your book, said you tend to leave the impression that.
[00:25:08]  That these visitors, these people coming around these UFOs, that they're hostile.
[00:25:13]  I said, You know, what makes you think they're hostile?
[00:25:16]  He said, Well, he said they would fly over our classified military installations.
[00:25:21]  We'd order them to stop and they wouldn't stop.
[00:25:24]  Huh.
[00:25:25]  Yeah.
[00:25:25]  So it's a kind of militaristic us versus them viewpoint.
[00:25:28]  That's the World War II national security state view of everything.
[00:25:34]  If you don't understand something, it's got to be an enemy.
[00:25:37]  Exactly.
[00:25:38]  And that doesn't, you know, that doesn't, that goes all the way back.
[00:25:42]  So these military officials really had that attitude in the 40s from a war torn point of view that these were hostile encroachments into our airspace.
[00:25:52]  And that's just the way it was in that period.
[00:25:54]  And it didn't get much better because what you find is in the early 50s, we had a secret UFO war.

=== The Smoking Gun of UFOs (04:11) ===

[00:26:01]  Oh.
[00:26:01]  Okay.
[00:26:02]  Because in the early 50s, the military sent out orders to their pilots if you see a UFO, shoot it down.
[00:26:09]  Because they want to know what they were and they want to get hold of the technology.
[00:26:12]  Well, they probably had a few crash retrievals and they wanted more.
[00:26:16]  Yeah.
[00:26:18]  So then, and this was late 40s, early 50s, they said shoot them down.
[00:26:23]  And then, there was a period of about a year or so there where I have detailed a whole number of mysterious air crashes, airliners that crashed.
[00:26:32]  Yeah.
[00:26:33]  Yeah.
[00:26:33]  Strange circumstances.
[00:26:34]  Right.
[00:26:36]  And then all of a sudden, the military said they sent out new orders and said, if you see a UFO, don't shoot at it.
[00:26:42]  Okay.
[00:26:43]  Said, you know, just report back.
[00:26:46]  And airliner crashes.
[00:26:47]  They stopped.
[00:26:48]  Stop.
[00:26:49]  Yeah, that is just one hell of a coincidence.
[00:26:52]  But since we're in the realm of crashes here, we're all familiar with the Roswell UFO crash.
[00:26:58]  And there are others in that era, one at Aztec, New Mexico, which has also had some excellent investigation done on it.
[00:27:06]  But you were the first person to highlight a crash that took place in your home state of Texas.
[00:27:11]  And this crash took place in 1897.
[00:27:14]  So it may be the oldest crash on record.
[00:27:16]  Now, can you tell us about the Aurora crash?
[00:27:20]  What I have here is the entire front page of the Dallas Morning News for April the 19th, 1897.
[00:27:29]  Right.
[00:27:31]  And in the middle of the page, right here, is the story of the Aurora spaceship crash.
[00:27:39]  And it says About six o'clock this morning, the early risers of Aurora were astonished at the sudden appearance of the airship.
[00:27:50]  Which has been sailing through the country.
[00:27:53]  It was traveling due north and much lower to the earth than ever before.
[00:27:57]  Evidently, some of the machinery was out of order, for it was making a speed of only 10 or 12 miles an hour and gradually settling to the earth.
[00:28:08]  It sailed directly over the public square and, when it reached the north part of town, collided with the tower of Judge Proctor's windmill and went to pieces with a terrific explosion.
[00:28:22]  Scattering debris over several acres of ground, wrecking the windmill, water tower, and destroying the judge's flower garden.
[00:28:33]  The pilot of the ship is supposed to have been the only one on board, and while his remains are badly disfigured, enough of the original has been picked up to show that he was not an inhabitant of this world.
[00:28:46]  Huh.
[00:28:47]  This is 1897.
[00:28:48]  Now, of course, the debunkers have all said, well, it's just a fake story.
[00:28:52]  Somebody planted a bad story, you know, all kinds of things.
[00:28:55]  Well, The railroad bypassed the town, and they were trying to get more, you know, get people to come in there and get some attention to the town.
[00:29:03]  What they don't point out is there are 16 stories on this front page, every single one of them, and they range from southern Oklahoma all the way south to almost Austin, Texas.
[00:29:15]  And they, every one of them, is talking about this thing flying through the skies.
[00:29:18]  Oh, that's pretty wild.
[00:29:20]  This is six years before the Wright brothers flew.
[00:29:22]  Right.
[00:29:23]  There's nothing man made in the air.
[00:29:26]  That's why I call this the smoking gun of UFOs.
[00:29:29]  But back to the question about precincts, you know, I've got to read you what happened in Granbury, Texas.
[00:29:36]  All right.
[00:29:37]  Granbury, Texas, April the 17th.
[00:29:43]  Newt Grissom last night at 9 30 o'clock, while drilling the Riddle rifles, discovered the mysterious flying Jenny of which we've heard so much.
[00:29:54]  Newt is a very warsome young man, being a populist, but he could not stand the sight of the air machine.
[00:30:01]  So, he ordered the company to open fire on the object, which it did, and the whole town was soon aroused.
[00:30:07]  Oh, just amazing documentation on that, and 50 years before Roswell.

=== Remote Viewers Test Exotic Targets (11:30) ===

[00:30:12]  So, we've been dealing with this for a long time.
[00:30:15]  Right.
[00:30:15]  Now, one thing that has always intrigued me is the sheer number of cases by nuclear weapons sites.
[00:30:21]  So, what is the attraction, and why are they showing up there?
[00:30:24]  You know, they seem to have this affinity for those locations.
[00:30:27]  Right.
[00:30:28]  Well, this is simply because if we're shooting each other with bows and arrows, or even bullets, or cannon shells, That's just, that just stays right here.
[00:30:37]  That's us, you know, hey, you do what you want to do.
[00:30:40]  But when we start setting off nuclear explosions, this sends perturbations of energy throughout the whole universe.
[00:30:47]  I mean, you know, this is when you're messing at the atomic level, you're messing with the basic building blocks of the universe.
[00:30:54]  And I think that got them concerned.
[00:30:56]  I see.
[00:30:57]  My line is, is that after we set off atomic bomb in Alamogordo in the spring of 1945 and then two atomic bombs on Japan, In August of 1945, I think that sent wavelengths out through the universe.
[00:31:12]  And I think somewhere somebody said, Oh my God, the kids have found the matches.
[00:31:17]  So we got their attention.
[00:31:19]  Oh, yeah.
[00:31:19]  Yeah.
[00:31:20]  Well, it's interesting to look at how our national security state decided to handle this.
[00:31:24]  Of course, one of the most intriguing ways we sought to get intelligence on this whole arena was using a method originally developed by the Russians in their super soldier programs, and that involved psychic spies.
[00:31:36]  Yeah.
[00:31:37]  And we know it by the name remote viewing now because of declassified documents that show we had this program going on.
[00:31:44]  And now we've developed some of the best remote viewers.
[00:31:47]  And one of these men, his name was Ingo Swan, he came out and discussed how he was recruited to view these large scale bases on the moon built by some other culture.
[00:31:58]  Now it's well documented that he was in this program, but some of the things he viewed there and what he said about it, it was really shocking.
[00:32:06]  Oh, yeah, very much so.
[00:32:09]  In fact, when Ingo Swan, I was, I met him on several occasions and was in his apartment there in Manhattan.
[00:32:17]  And he's telling me about naked humans working on the moon.
[00:32:24]  But hey, so much of what they did has now been proven to be true.
[00:32:28]  I'm not the one to say that's just balderdash.
[00:32:31]  In fact, Ingo Swan, another fellow whose name escapes me at the moment, in the early 70s decided they, because remote viewing is not limited by time or space, you can go look back in time, you look forward in time, you look out in space, you look in here.
[00:32:46]  They decided they want to take a look at Jupiter.
[00:32:49]  So, they both did this separate remote viewings and they all came up with pretty much the same information.
[00:32:56]  And they saw that Jupiter had a ring around it that we can't really see, but it's there and that it has a magnetic field, which we didn't know about.
[00:33:05]  And that there are clouds on Jupiter and under the clouds, they see big mountains.
[00:33:10]  Okay.
[00:33:11]  Well, at that time, they tried to, you know, they put out this information and the scientists, the astronomers, they all went, well, that's interesting, but.
[00:33:19]  Who knows?
[00:33:20]  Because we had no way of verifying whether it was true or not.
[00:33:23]  But in the late 70s, they sent the Voyager mission out there.
[00:33:27]  And the Voyager went out, circled around Jupiter, and took all these photographs and all these measurements and readings and everything, sent all the information back.
[00:33:34]  And by golly, everything they said was verified.
[00:33:38]  So this incredible accuracy.
[00:33:41]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:33:42]  So, you know, their credibility is pretty strong.
[00:33:45]  No question.
[00:33:46]  And as I understand it, Swan was essentially the best remote viewer that we had.
[00:33:51]  And he was the real prototype for the program.
[00:33:54]  He was good, but I wouldn't say he was the best one.
[00:33:57]  What Ingo did, though, was he was one of the early ones to start actually experimenting with it and working out the protocols to make it work.
[00:34:06]  Uh huh.
[00:34:07]  And so, in that regard, he's basically, I would say, almost the father of modern remote viewing.
[00:34:14]  But then he was building on the shoulders of others like the people there in the universities that had been working with.
[00:34:23]  So, Russell Targ and Hell put up.
[00:34:25]  Targ, they were, yeah, he was working on it.
[00:34:27]  And I'm thinking of even the ones who were at the University of Kentucky, where there's a man and wife that were working on remote viewing, except they didn't call it that.
[00:34:38]  They called it clairvoyance.
[00:34:40]  And you go all the way back, you find at the time of World War I in the 20s, spiritualism was a big fad.
[00:34:46]  Right, right.
[00:34:47]  And they were having seances and they were doing all this stuff.
[00:34:51]  But again, they were just playing with it because they didn't know what it was.
[00:34:54]  And as you so correctly said, Actually, credible remote viewing has only been developed since the 70s.
[00:35:01]  Amazing.
[00:35:01]  Well, one of the crucial things about Swan and this book he wrote about remote viewing the moon in these bases called Penetration is in there he describes being grabbed by an intelligence agency to do this under some pretty secret circumstances.
[00:35:16]  And this idea about a base being up there that's not one of ours, for so long, we've been curious why they haven't gone back to the moon.
[00:35:24]  Why have they slashed the public space program at NASA?
[00:35:28]  Now we know.
[00:35:30]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:35:30]  Especially when it's my understanding that after we quit going to the moon, we still had 22 Atlas rockets capable of putting men on the moon, but we never went back.
[00:35:41]  And the explanation they give, I think, is pretty thin.
[00:35:44]  They said, well, there's nothing much there.
[00:35:46]  It's just a dead world.
[00:35:47]  And we don't think we're getting any value for our money.
[00:35:50]  And it costs a lot to go there.
[00:35:51]  And we really just can't afford to do that.
[00:35:54]  Well, excuse me, but that's like building a Rolls Royce from scratch and then say, well, we can't afford gasoline.
[00:36:00]  We can't drive.
[00:36:01]  Around anywhere, you know.
[00:36:03]  And by the way, if you think bases on the moon or something, how about bases on the earth?
[00:36:08]  Sounds pretty wild.
[00:36:10]  In the remote viewing program, one of their early candidates to do learn and remote viewing, and who apparently was quite accomplished at it, was an old police detective named Pat Price.
[00:36:23]  Pat Price, right.
[00:36:25]  And yeah.
[00:36:26]  And one day, Pat Price showed up unannounced, and nobody had ordered him to do this, but he shows up at work one day and he said, Hey, I did this remote viewing session, and you know, there are four alien bases on the earth.
[00:36:40]  And he proceeded to describe them and even told where they were.
[00:36:44]  One of them is Mount Perdido in the Pyrenees Mountains between France and Spain.
[00:36:48]  Another is Mount Inyagani in Zimbabwe in Africa.
[00:36:54]  Another one is under Mount Zeal in Australia.
[00:36:57]  And then another under Mount Hayes in Alaska.
[00:37:00]  And he even described what they were doing there.
[00:37:03]  As I recall, the one in the Pyrenees was kind of an operational base.
[00:37:08]  This is where they'd come and go and get orders and stuff.
[00:37:12]  Mount.
[00:37:14]  Inagani and Zimbabwe was like a repair shop.
[00:37:17]  That's where you went for, you know, if you needed repairs.
[00:37:21]  Mount Zeal in Australia is, I think that was the RD.
[00:37:25]  That's where several species would go for a rest and recreation, you know.
[00:37:31]  And then Mount Hayes in Alaska was an environmental monitoring station where they were monitoring the earth and the atmosphere and I don't know, you know, pollution and all the stuff, what's happening to the earth.
[00:37:46]  Well, that was all fine and good.
[00:37:49]  But of course, they had no way of proving up any of this stuff.
[00:37:52]  So they said, well, that's interesting.
[00:37:53]  They filed it away.
[00:37:56]  Later on, as it became more and more of an official military unit, the SciSpy unit, they had a training officer named Skip Atwater.
[00:38:09]  And Atwater told me that one day he was deciding to give these remote viewers, as they're testing kind of an exotic target, you know, not your usual military aircraft or some.
[00:38:22]  Landmark somewhere.
[00:38:24]  And he happened to dig up the file that Pat Price had left about these bases.
[00:38:28]  And so he asked them to go look at, see if there's any alien bases on the earth.
[00:38:35]  And of course, you know enough about remote viewing.
[00:38:37]  He didn't say go look at alien bases.
[00:38:39]  He just gave them a number, coordinates, yeah.
[00:38:42]  Coordinate number 51206071, okay, which meaningless except to him.
[00:38:49]  He knows in his own mind that that refers to, I want you to go look at these alien bases.
[00:38:54]  And when you do that, you have a thought pattern that goes out on the universal energy grid.
[00:39:00]  And when they get that number, then their subconscious mind is already drawn to this thought pattern.
[00:39:06]  And so, supposedly, then they are guided to the target.
[00:39:10]  Okay.
[00:39:10]  Well, they all came back and they said, Wow, there's four alien bases on the earth.
[00:39:15]  And they named the same, they same the name Zimbabwe and Pyrenees and Australia and Alaska.
[00:39:22]  They gave the same thing and described what was going on there.
[00:39:25]  Isn't that amazing?
[00:39:27]  Yeah, fascinating.
[00:39:28]  What do we do with that kind of information?
[00:39:31]  But really, the idea that they have bases here makes perfect sense.
[00:39:36]  Sure.
[00:39:37]  Yeah, absolutely.
[00:39:38]  And these places are so spread out that you won't find a base in a major metropolis.
[00:39:43]  Right.
[00:39:43]  And they're underground, they're within mountains and stuff, you know.
[00:39:47]  And unless you stumble across it, which chances are you're not, and even if you do, I'm sure they've got doors and locks and camouflage and God knows what else that.
[00:39:57]  Is going to assure that you don't get in there.
[00:39:59]  Yes.
[00:40:00]  A strange footnote to this story is Pat Price will die under very strange circumstances.
[00:40:07]  A stranger brushes against him in a hotel lobby, and a little while later he develops an illness and dies.
[00:40:13]  So that's very unusual.
[00:40:15]  Yeah, that's true.
[00:40:17]  Well, there's still some strange stuff going on with remote viewers because, see, the government is scared to death.
[00:40:24]  They do not want the public to clearly understand that we all have this psychic ability, and that if we work with it and get it really reliable, we can find out all the government secrets.
[00:40:38]  We can find out everything that they are doing.
[00:40:42]  And then when they come out and announce that, you know, Syria just blew up her airliner, you know, they go do a remote viewing, say, no, no, no, it's a false flag.
[00:40:52]  You know, oh boy, they don't want that.
[00:40:54]  So they have gone to great lengths to try to denigrate the story of remote viewing.
[00:41:01]  In fact, they even, you know, came out with that film, The Men Who Stare at Goats.
[00:41:05]  Oh, yeah.
[00:41:06]  Remember that one?
[00:41:07]  I think it was 2009.
[00:41:08]  Yeah.
[00:41:10]  And that movie was not that far out because some of that stuff they really did.
[00:41:14]  But what they did was in their experiments trying to figure out how this worked, they did some crazy things.
[00:41:20]  They tried to see if they could kill a goat by staring at it, they tried to see if they could run through walls, they tried to do all this stuff.
[00:41:28]  But that was just fringe stuff, just stuff off the wall they tried.
[00:41:33]  And so they put the weirdest stuff together and make it like it's a humorous movie so that everybody sees it and goes, ha ha, that's pretty good.
[00:41:39]  And boy, they're idiots.
[00:41:40]  And boy, it didn't work.

=== Anomalies on Mars and Earth (06:37) ===

[00:41:43]  That's the whole thing.
[00:41:43]  They didn't tell you about the ones that actually worked in the thing.
[00:41:46]  Right, right.
[00:41:48]  Because they don't want people to know they can do this.
[00:41:50]  Well, Jim, don't you know there's no such thing as psychic power?
[00:41:54]  Oh, of course not.
[00:41:54]  We all know that.
[00:41:57]  Just like I was taught that there's nothing on the moon, there's no air, there's no water, you know, there's just nothing there.
[00:42:03]  And now all of a sudden over the course of my lifetime, well, yeah, there is some water seen and sprays drifting across the moon.
[00:42:12]  Well, yeah, it does have kind of a slight magnetic field.
[00:42:15]  And yeah, yeah, you know, and like right now with Mars, oh, that was a dead planet.
[00:42:20]  There's nothing there.
[00:42:22]  And now all of a sudden they're going, well, there's water there.
[00:42:25]  Right, exactly.
[00:42:26]  If they quit doctoring the photographs and turning them with a red filter so they all look like a red desert, we might find that there's trees and grass and all kinds of things on Mars, you know.
[00:42:37]  But of course, when they tell me, and that was within this year, I believe, when they suddenly announced that we think there's water on Mars, it wasn't a surprise to me.
[00:42:45]  I mean, all you got to do is look at it.
[00:42:46]  There's ice caps, right?
[00:42:47]  There's a white cap in both poles.
[00:42:50]  Of Mars, well, what else would that be but frozen water?
[00:42:52]  You know, of course, Mars has water.
[00:42:55]  There are researchers like Richard Hoagland who think there's much more than water up there, that there's ancient ruins.
[00:43:01]  Now, what do you think of that?
[00:43:02]  Yeah, I tend to think so too.
[00:43:04]  If you look closely at some of this stuff, in fact, you can go onto the internet, Google images, and say anomalies on Mars or buildings on Mars, ships on Mars.
[00:43:16]  You'll find all kinds of photographs of weird and odd and strange looking things.
[00:43:21]  Now, I'm not going to say they all show.
[00:43:24]  Buildings and artificial structures.
[00:43:26]  Some of the ones I look at and go, you know, it's like a rock to me.
[00:43:30]  Right.
[00:43:30]  You know, but then there's others, there's others though that it's like, whoa, that cannot possibly just be some kind of natural object, you know.
[00:43:39]  Jim, what about the face on Mars?
[00:43:42]  The face on Mars though is actually kind of an interesting study too.
[00:43:44]  You know, they first came and they got it at an overhead angle, and of course the clarification, magnification wasn't all that great, but it, Certainly looked like a face, and that kind of slipped out.
[00:43:58]  And then that may went all over the internet, and everybody's going, Wow, looks like there's a human face on Mars!
[00:44:03]  And then NASA, in an attempt to try to disparage that kind of talk because that was starting to crack open their secrecy, they took a picture of it from a low angle where it just looked kind of like a series of ridges, you know?
[00:44:17]  I said, no, there's nothing there.
[00:44:18]  It's just a natural thing.
[00:44:20]  And so that has gone back and forth, you know, and people have photoshopped it and they've added shadow and depth and everything else.
[00:44:28]  And it's still not really clear.
[00:44:30]  But if you look at the Sedonia region of Mars where this space is, you see pyramids.
[00:44:38]  And the pyramids are in the same configuration as the pyramids on the Giza Plateau.
[00:44:45]  Amazing.
[00:44:46]  And the same pyramids outside Mexico City.
[00:44:50]  So, this is pretty suggestive evidence that they were made all made by the same people.
[00:44:55]  Yeah.
[00:44:56]  And that pattern is so fascinating to decipher.
[00:44:59]  Now, when we come back, I'm going to ask you about this off world connection in ancient times.
[00:45:04]  You know, are we seeing indications in the advanced cultures of the past?
[00:45:09]  Of some high tech assistance?
[00:45:11]  And is there a spiritual dimension to this phenomena?
[00:45:15]  We're coming back with Jim Mars.
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[00:45:58]  Sitting there filming a little saucer came from I say little saucer.
[00:46:02]  It was a saucer came flying over their heads put down three little landing gear and landed right out on the dry lake bed And they picked up their cameras and started over toward it filming as they went And when they got in fairly close to it it lifted up put the gear back in the wheel wells tipped up and took off at a great rate of speed Dark journalists will go there.
[00:46:30]  What are they so afraid of?
[00:46:32]  And what are they trying to hide?
[00:46:33]  Hidden technology.
[00:46:35]  In other words, the possibility exists that you have here a machine that is manipulating magnetic fields on a planetary scale that has nothing to do with particle physics.
[00:46:48]  The black budget.
[00:46:49]  But there's no such thing as getting away from the corruption because it is literally, it is now integrated into every economy in the globe.
[00:46:58]  Geoengineering.
[00:46:59]  I'm talking about.
[00:47:01]  Right down to the DNA level.
[00:47:05]  Imagine that you have now put microprocessors and sensors along with everything else into every human body, every animal body.
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[00:47:26]  And we are back.
[00:47:27]  I'm Dark Journalist, and I'm speaking with best selling author and investigative reporter.
[00:47:33]  Jim Mars.
[00:47:34]  Jim has written really some of the best books on deep politics, and he's pushed the envelope by going into controversial areas like UFOs and hidden technology.
[00:47:45]  His major blockbuster on this is the book Alien Agenda, and his new research on off world visitors is edgier than ever.
[00:47:55]  Now, Jim, we were talking about ruins on Mars that look very much like archaeological sites in Egypt and Mexico.
[00:48:03]  If they are ruins from that period, then does it suggest a UFO link with our ancient past?
[00:48:11]  What do you think happened back there?
[00:48:12]  You have to understand that the UFO phenomena did not start in 1945 or 47, okay?

=== Moses, Aliens, and Ancient Ruins (14:44) ===

[00:48:20]  You can go all the way back through history.
[00:48:22]  You can go back to Ezekiel, the fiery wheel in the Old Testament.
[00:48:25]  You can go back to the flying boats of the ancient Egyptians.
[00:48:30]  You can go to the Bahamas of the Hindus.
[00:48:34]  In India, you can go to the Dogon tribe in Africa and their legends, the Aborigines in Australia.
[00:48:41]  It goes all the way back.
[00:48:42]  People have talked about these things flying through the air.
[00:48:45]  In fact, talked about people coming from the sky and giving them, imparting language and mathematics and architecture and agriculture, all kinds of stuff.
[00:48:57]  Right.
[00:48:57]  Now, can you think of one of these ancient stories that stands out in your mind?
[00:49:01]  Oh, hey, one time I tried to figure out where did we get beer?
[00:49:06]  You know, right, I can understand wine.
[00:49:10]  You know, there's some grapes that fell off, laid on the ground under the sun, got pretty fermented, and some very thirsty caveman came along and said, Oh, I'm gonna try these anyway.
[00:49:20]  Got a buzz and said, Hey, this is great.
[00:49:22]  So, I can see where wine came from, but beer you got to have malts and hops and various chemicals, and you have to mock mix them just right, and you have to ferment them, you have to add sugar, you have to, you know, it's a complicated formula.
[00:49:36]  It's pretty advanced, yeah.
[00:49:37]  Yeah, how did man come up with that?
[00:49:39]  And as best I could find, it tracks back all the way back to the earliest civilization that we know about, and that is the civilization of Sumer and the Sumerians who lived between the Tigris Euphrates River over there and what is now a rock, and which, by the way, has been noted by a lot of Christian researchers as being the site of the Garden of Eden.
[00:50:03]  Right.
[00:50:03]  So, I mean, it goes back as far as we can.
[00:50:06]  What did they say?
[00:50:07]  They, they, and their writings, which were on clay.
[00:50:11]  Tablets, which thousands of them still exist and they have been translated, they said they had four kinds of beer.
[00:50:19]  Okay.
[00:50:21]  And I'm sure none of it was light.
[00:50:23]  Yeah.
[00:50:25]  But they had four kinds of beer, and when they told how they got to beer, they said they were told how to make beer by the Anunnaki, which translates those who came from the heavens, landed on the earth.
[00:50:38]  And the Anunnakis evolved into their gods.
[00:50:43]  And of course, today you can read all about them in the Encyclopedia Britannica, but you have to look under Sumerian mythology.
[00:50:51]  Mythology, right.
[00:50:53]  So, what's happening today, though, starting with Zachariah Sitchin and others, That they say, well, maybe it's not mythology.
[00:51:00]  Maybe they were actually telling us what they knew to be true and what they had experienced, and that these people came down from the stars and told them how to do things.
[00:51:09]  Well, what do you think of the influence of the Anunnaki at that time?
[00:51:12]  Do you think they were benevolent, or would you suggest they were more of a negative presence?
[00:51:18]  I think it evolved.
[00:51:19]  I think early on they may have been benevolent, but then, number one, obviously at some point they dropped out of sight.
[00:51:28]  They either all left or they quit dealing openly.
[00:51:32]  With humankind, and in fact, as Zachary Sitchin details how that they had created kingship.
[00:51:39]  So, in other words, they were making hybrids, okay?
[00:51:44]  And these hybrids, which were part human and part Anunnaki, they would set them up as their representatives so they didn't have to dirty their hands on the nasty old humans.
[00:51:55]  I see.
[00:51:57]  And so, this started the whole idea of kingship.
[00:52:00]  And they also, it also at the same time set up a Almost a religious order, the priesthood, okay?
[00:52:08]  And the priesthood were the only ones who could talk to the gods.
[00:52:12]  And the king was their representative, okay?
[00:52:15]  And then I think what happened was at some point, these ancient aliens, these Anunnaki, that they either all left or they, a few of them may have stayed behind, but they dropped out of sight and they weren't in direct contact with the humans.
[00:52:32]  And I think that this created a problem for both the kings and the priests.
[00:52:37]  Because, you know, now they had to, now the, the, uh, the manifest gods that were very real and that people had direct contact with are now just concepts, you know, the, the, uh, spiritual type of God.
[00:52:51]  Right, right.
[00:52:52]  They're still there.
[00:52:53]  They're still there, but we can't see them.
[00:52:54]  We can't hear them, but I'm the priest and I can intercede for you and I can tell you all about it.
[00:52:59]  Okay.
[00:53:00]  And I think that's where it might have gotten a little bit skewed because these priesthoods and these kings, uh, they got pretty used to all that power and control and they didn't want to give it up.
[00:53:10]  So, they began to institute more and more regulations and more and more laws and more and more ways of controlling the people until it got to like the Middle Ages, where the Roman church was in charge of everything.
[00:53:24]  Yes.
[00:53:24]  They loaned money to the kings and queens, had them under their control.
[00:53:29]  And they, of course, every town and village had a priest, and the priest would hear confessions.
[00:53:35]  He knew all the dirt on everybody in town.
[00:53:38]  And the church had pretty much dominating control over everyone.
[00:53:43]  And it's been a slow evolutionary disconnect from that time on.
[00:53:48]  Today, of course, the organized religions are in kind of decline.
[00:53:53]  And because more and more people are waking up and assuming their self empowerment and they don't necessarily feel they have to listen to the priest, you know.
[00:54:02]  Right.
[00:54:03]  Well, thinking of these older priesthoods, if you're dealing with an off world culture and you become their representative, after they leave, you're kind of keeping the power structure intact.
[00:54:13]  Exactly.
[00:54:14]  Now, when you look at the advanced technology that built the Great Pyramid, for instance, or the Mayan pyramids, which are so advanced astronomically, do you think that's an off world culture giving us that technology?
[00:54:26]  Yes, I think so.
[00:54:28]  And it's kind of been lost.
[00:54:30]  I think they were using energy manipulation.
[00:54:33]  Okay.
[00:54:35]  And I'll give you a good example of that.
[00:54:36]  It's right there in the Old Testament of the Bible, and that's the story of King Nebuchadnezzar in Babylon.
[00:54:42]  Yes.
[00:54:42]  And, you know, at one point he was.
[00:54:44]  The ruling guru, and he had this whole huge empire there, and it was built on the remnants, degraded remnants of the Sumerian Empire, you know.
[00:54:56]  And at one point in the Bible, according to the story, he built a structure of gold out of gold, and that gives all the dimensions, and it was kind of like a big phone booth or something.
[00:55:08]  But he had a problem because when his people would go in there, they would sicken and die.
[00:55:14]  So I think what that tells us is that gold is a highly Conductive metal.
[00:55:20]  And so apparently, in some way, they had built an energy field within this chamber.
[00:55:28]  And so he wanted to use it, but he was scared of it because everybody he sent in there would sicken and die.
[00:55:35]  Interesting.
[00:55:36]  So they went to Palestine and they got the three Hebrew priests Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, brought them to Babylon.
[00:55:43]  He says, Okay, you know, you guys are priests.
[00:55:46]  You probably have the knowledge passed down from the Anunnaki.
[00:55:50]  You know about this thing.
[00:55:51]  I want you to make this thing work.
[00:55:54]  And, uh, they said, well, you're not our king.
[00:55:56]  You don't believe in our God.
[00:55:57]  We're not going to work for you.
[00:55:59]  And he said, well, then I'm paraphrasing, but he says, okay, well, then you, you know, you better make it work because I'm going to put you in there and, uh, you'll die, you know, unless you make it work.
[00:56:09]  And so what's really interesting is right there in the Bible, it doesn't say that they just threw them right in there or that they walked in there.
[00:56:15]  It said, first they donned their raiments, their cloaks, their hats and all this stuff.
[00:56:20]  Well, you know, wait a minute.
[00:56:21]  What's that got to do with anything?
[00:56:23]  Obviously there's something very special about.
[00:56:26]  Clothing.
[00:56:26]  Okay.
[00:56:26]  So they put on radiation suits.
[00:56:28]  Okay.
[00:56:29]  Or whatever.
[00:56:30]  And the three of them went in this chamber that has been translated as a fiery furnace, but obviously wasn't a fiery furnace, they would have burned up.
[00:56:39]  Right.
[00:56:40]  It was some kind of gold structure that created an energy field.
[00:56:45]  And they went in there, and Nebuchadnezzar says he didn't want to get anywhere near it.
[00:56:50]  So he says to his minions, you know, are they in there?
[00:56:53]  And they said, oh, yeah.
[00:56:54]  So, King, he said, all three of them.
[00:56:55]  He said, well, no, actually, there's four in there.
[00:56:58]  Whoa.
[00:56:59]  Four?
[00:56:59]  Where did this fourth guy come from?
[00:57:02]  He says, Who's the fourth one?
[00:57:03]  And it said, A son of God.
[00:57:06]  That's so wild.
[00:57:07]  And that's the last we hear of it.
[00:57:09]  We don't know where this son of God came from or who he was or where he went or anything else.
[00:57:14]  But see, to me, that tells me they had advanced technology.
[00:57:18]  They had created a wormhole or a stargate or some kind of force field that allowed them to go into another dimension or whatever.
[00:57:28]  But we do know that the Bible says that he was so impressed.
[00:57:33]  With whatever the three priests had done, that he put them in charge of Babylon.
[00:57:39]  Wow.
[00:57:40]  So, in that, see, I think that's evidence that there was some real exotic technology being used in the far distance past.
[00:57:47]  Something from before.
[00:57:48]  I think the Cenochi had been handed down from the same technology that had been used to build the Great Pyramid, where they were able to either through sound or sonic vibration or maybe some kind of magnetism, they were able to.
[00:58:08]  Lift those huge stones and maneuver them into position.
[00:58:13]  This idea that a bunch of slaves could drag a 6,000 pound rock through the desert for miles and miles on wooden rollers just doesn't hang well with me.
[00:58:26]  Yes, absolutely.
[00:58:28]  And the stones used to build the pyramids come from a totally different part of Egypt.
[00:58:31]  So that explanation is completely false.
[00:58:35]  But it is fascinating to consider, I guess, the most obvious reference in the Bible to this ancient.
[00:58:40]  Advanced technology is the Ark of the Covenant.
[00:58:43]  Right.
[00:58:44]  And what was in the Ark of the Covenant?
[00:58:47]  White powder.
[00:58:48]  White powder.
[00:58:50]  Intriguing.
[00:58:51]  And what was the white powder?
[00:58:53]  That was the monatomic gold.
[00:58:55]  Okay.
[00:58:57]  Okay.
[00:58:58]  And it was useful for many things, but what they have found in recent years, because it's only been rediscovered in the last few years, and what they find is that when they reduce physical gold, Through a smelting process, it can be reduced to a white powder.
[00:59:16]  And when they've got this white powder, they found something very extraordinary.
[00:59:19]  When they put it on a scale, you know, in the weighing pan on a scale, the pan weighs 44% less than it did before you put the white powder in.
[00:59:30]  So this white powder has anti gravity.
[00:59:33]  Fascinating.
[00:59:36]  And also, apparently, it's a great conductor.
[00:59:39]  And so the idea is that this white powder was in the Ark of the Covenant.
[00:59:43]  And number one, that was useful as a communication device because if you'll think of the biblical stories, they were able to talk to God.
[00:59:51]  And the voice came out of the seat of the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant.
[00:59:58]  Now, another thing you see the engravings and little pictures they've drawn, you've got four or five guys carrying the Ark of the Covenant around.
[01:00:06]  And yet, if you read it, that mercy seat, the lid was made of solid gold and it was so many inches thick, so many inches wide.
[01:00:15]  Which would translate into more than 2,000 pounds.
[01:00:19]  Well, you know, four or five guys are not going to carry a ton around very easily.
[01:00:25]  But if it's filled with the white powder, it's floating.
[01:00:27]  And it's got anti gravity, it's kind of floating, and they're not carrying it, they're just guiding it.
[01:00:33]  Yeah.
[01:00:34]  Isn't that fascinating?
[01:00:36]  Yes, absolutely.
[01:00:37]  And it reminds me of the story of Moses when he leads the Hebrews out of Egypt.
[01:00:42]  There's this funnel cloud that follows them into the desert and feeds them manna.
[01:00:47]  And that's floating like a cloud in the air.
[01:00:50]  It feels like the description of a massive UFO sighting.
[01:00:54]  And what was manna?
[01:00:56]  White powder.
[01:00:57]  Right, exactly.
[01:00:58]  They would wake up in the mornings and they'd find this white powder strewed across the ground.
[01:01:03]  And they thought it came from heaven.
[01:01:06]  You know, where did it come from?
[01:01:07]  It must have fallen out of the sky.
[01:01:09]  And they would take it and they would add a little water and mix it up to make a dough and then bake it and make bread and pancakes or whatever.
[01:01:18]  And that's what the manna in ancient Hebrew translates as what is it?
[01:01:24]  They didn't know what it was, but they knew it was good.
[01:01:27]  They knew they could eat it, and that's what sustained them.
[01:01:30]  Now, where'd they get it?
[01:01:31]  They got it from Moses.
[01:01:33]  Yes.
[01:01:33]  And how do I know this?
[01:01:35]  Well, because in about 1914, the British archaeologist Sir William Petrie said he had discovered an ancient Egyptian temple on Mount Horeb in the southern Sinai.
[01:01:51]  Which is also known as the Mount of Moses.
[01:01:54]  And it said in there they had a smelting operation.
[01:01:58]  And he said, when they pried open the flagstones on the floor of this temple, that there was all this white powder.
[01:02:07]  And they were wondering, what is it?
[01:02:09]  Yeah.
[01:02:10]  Same thing.
[01:02:10]  They didn't know what it was.
[01:02:11]  And of course, they let the stones open and the wind blew it all away, you know, so they never really knew what that was.
[01:02:17]  But that was the white powder.
[01:02:18]  And that's where Moses was manufacturing it and then using that to feed the Israelites as they wandered around and conquered city after city in the desert.
[01:02:30]  And that brings us back to the story of Moses.
[01:02:33]  And we all know the biblical story how that, you know, the Pharaoh of Egypt had ordered all male children killed.
[01:02:40]  That didn't make any sense to begin with.
[01:02:42]  You know, if these are your slaves, do you kill off all their kids?
[01:02:47]  Right.
[01:02:48]  Destroying your own property.
[01:02:50]  And then, of course, we're told he's put in a basket of bulrushes and floated down the Nile to a family that raised him and saved him.
[01:02:59]  You know, what's interesting is the Egyptians have the exact same story.

=== Exodus Stories and Hidden Kings (15:10) ===

[01:03:04]  All right, but it's not Moses, it's uh Amenhotep the third, uh, I mean, who Amenhotep the fourth, uh, who then later became pharaoh and changed his name to Akhenaten.
[01:03:19]  Yes, the pharaoh Akhenaten, the worshiper of the one true god, right?
[01:03:23]  And we should say here that his reign as pharaoh of Egypt is one of the most unusual, of course, his worship of one god, the Aten, depicted as a sun disk, pretty interesting.
[01:03:35]  Imagery, but we can't even imagine how radical it was at that point to put the old Egyptian gods and priesthoods out of commission by proclaiming the Aten as one god.
[01:03:46]  Yeah, and then in the Bible it says that he was schooled, that Moses was schooled in all of the secrets and all of the protocols of Egyptian royalty.
[01:04:00]  Why would they do this to a slave, you know?
[01:04:03]  So the idea is what I'm telling you is that Moses.
[01:04:07]  By the way, it's not even a name, it's a title.
[01:04:11]  And Moses, uh, back at that time was translated as the true pretender to the throne.
[01:04:16]  Uh huh.
[01:04:17]  So Moses was actually Akhenaten.
[01:04:20]  Really?
[01:04:21]  Now that's fascinating.
[01:04:23]  So, and what happened was, is that Akhenaten the fourth, uh, his dad Akhenaten, I mean, Amenhotep the third, uh, did not want any pretenders to his throne.
[01:04:36]  So what he ordered was any of his mistresses, So when one of his wives gave birth to Amenhotep IV, obviously that's their child.
[01:04:52]  They don't want to kill him.
[01:04:54]  So they secreted him away.
[01:04:55]  And this is all in the Egyptian records and writings.
[01:04:59]  They put him in bulrushes.
[01:05:00]  They floated him down the river to the, uh, the home of their servants, which would have been the Israelites, the Hebrews.
[01:05:08]  Okay, so he was raised by a family of Hebrews.
[01:05:12]  That's where he was indoctrinated with the concept of the one true God.
[01:05:17]  I see.
[01:05:18]  And then after he got old enough, and when Amenhotep III finally died, well, then he probably came forward and said, Okay, I'm now the Pharaoh.
[01:05:27]  And they accepted him because they knew it was true.
[01:05:29]  And he became Amenhotep IV.
[01:05:32]  But he changed his name to Akhenaten, okay, the believer of the one true God.
[01:05:37]  Now that put him at loggerheads with the priesthood.
[01:05:41]  And with all the various gods that they represented there in Egypt.
[01:05:45]  So they had a real problem because he's, he's causing them a problem.
[01:05:49]  But he's the Pharaoh.
[01:05:50]  He's a God.
[01:05:51]  They can't just kill him or whatever, you know.
[01:05:55]  So they decide, though, that they're going to exile him and they forced him to leave.
[01:05:59]  And they told him, okay, we're sending you off, but you can take whoever you want to.
[01:06:04]  Well, he took not his birth family, but the family that raised him, these Hebrew slaves.
[01:06:12]  And he's told them, you know, take what you need and we're all leaving.
[01:06:15]  And that's when he let them out.
[01:06:17]  And that's where we get the story of the Exodus.
[01:06:20]  It really is an amazing story.
[01:06:22]  And again, Akhenaten is etched there in our consciousness, even though when they removed him from power, Essentially, in a coup, these priests try to eradicate his memory from their history.
[01:06:33]  You know, they smash the Temple of Aten to rubble.
[01:06:36]  But strangely, he, his wife Nefertiti, and his son Tutankhamen, or King Tut, are probably the most well known and popular ancient Egyptians.
[01:06:47]  Now, why is that?
[01:06:48]  It's quite an enigma.
[01:06:49]  Right, right.
[01:06:50]  He was going against the grain.
[01:06:52]  We also have the 20th century American psychic, Gene Dixon, who made some major predictions about Akhenaten and Nefertiti.
[01:07:00]  Having this major impact upon the 21st century.
[01:07:03]  So, if Moses was Akhenaten, and there is an off world connection there, as we discussed, it could explain his bizarre physiology.
[01:07:12]  I guess one other detail I should mention here is that they believe now in Egypt that they've found Nefertiti's tomb, and it's adjacent to King Tut's tomb.
[01:07:21]  I've seen that.
[01:07:21]  I don't think they've actually done it yet, but they think they're on the trail, right?
[01:07:25]  Right, right, exactly.
[01:07:27]  Now, when you look back on that Egyptian history, And we know the earliest version of the Bible actually has its roots and comes out of that ancient Sumerian text.
[01:07:37]  As time goes by, it appears that it becomes more and more fragmented, so that by the time we get down to the modern era, some crucial information seems to have been lost.
[01:07:47]  Yeah, you're absolutely right.
[01:07:48]  Let me draw the parallels between the story of Noah and the great flood and then the account of Uvnar Pishkin, who was a Sumerian who was told by his guy, and this is all in the Sumerian tablets, which still exist.
[01:08:02]  It's the same story.
[01:08:03]  His God, his God comes to him and says, there's going to be a big flood.
[01:08:06]  You need to build a boat.
[01:08:07]  You need to build it with pitch and bateemon and, you know, and, and blah, blah, blah.
[01:08:13]  In fact, the stories from the ancient Sumerian to the story in Genesis are virtually identical, which tells me that the Bible, uh, story narrative was simply carried on from even earlier, probably verbal, uh, you know, uh, stories with two significant differences.
[01:08:34]  One was simply the name.
[01:08:35]  In the Old Testament, we get the name is Noah.
[01:08:39]  In the ancient Sumerians, there's actually, I think, two names.
[01:08:43]  The one I can still recall is Uvnor Pishkin.
[01:08:46]  And I can see why they changed it to Noah.
[01:08:50]  It was going around talking about Uvnor Pishkin.
[01:08:53]  But the second change to me is very, very significant.
[01:08:58]  In the Old Testament Bible, of course, we're told that Noah took two of every animal and all the plants.
[01:09:06]  And everything on the earth and put them on the ark, right?
[01:09:09]  Yes.
[01:09:10]  Well, even as a kid in Sunday school, I'm going, wait a minute.
[01:09:14]  You tell me the lions and the tigers and the gazelles and the zebras all on the same boat together and they're all eating together.
[01:09:22]  Wait a minute.
[01:09:22]  Yeah.
[01:09:23]  One to eat the other.
[01:09:24]  Come on.
[01:09:25]  And, you know, besides that boatload of animals, where do they go to the bathroom?
[01:09:29]  You know, it's just had to be a mess.
[01:09:31]  Right.
[01:09:32]  And so the answer is in the original, the ancient Sumerian tablets that tell the same story, they don't say that he took.
[01:09:42]  Of every living thing.
[01:09:43]  They say he took the seed of every living thing.
[01:09:47]  And once you understand that they also write about in vitro fertilization, vitro fertilization, and the fact that they were able to make a hybrid by taking the ovum of a, of a earth primitive and fertilizing it with the sperm of an Anunnaki male and then implanting it in the uterus of an Anunnaki female who carried the term and produced what was a hybrid between the two races,
[01:10:17]  which they call the Adama, Adam, if you will.
[01:10:22]  Sounds familiar.
[01:10:23]  Okay.
[01:10:24]  Yeah.
[01:10:25]  And once you understand that they had a knowledge, a working knowledge of DNA, then what we have here is instead of a boatload of animals, you had a closet with DNA samples.
[01:10:36]  So that after the flood went down, they were able to come out and then repopulate the world with the animals and plants and everything else that they had the DNA for.
[01:10:46]  Isn't that interesting?
[01:10:47]  Yes.
[01:10:48]  And that description does sound very high tech.
[01:10:50]  I mean, because basically it's a DNA lab.
[01:10:52]  Right.
[01:10:53]  Exactly.
[01:10:54]  Oh, and that would have been inky because you find he had a laboratory in South Africa.
[01:11:00]  They call it the Obzu.
[01:11:02]  And, you know, then you have the story of the Anunnaki who came here and they were trying to mine for gold.
[01:11:08]  And they originally were trying to get gold out of the Persian Gulf, you know, by paying for it.
[01:11:12]  But that's a slow, laborious, inefficient process.
[01:11:15]  And they weren't getting the amounts of gold that they wanted.
[01:11:18]  So they started excavating and mining.
[01:11:21]  Okay.
[01:11:22]  But now you're down underground, you're working, it's hot, it's dirty, and that's tough work.
[01:11:27]  And they had some problems with labor because these guys were saying, Hey, we signed up to be astronauts, go to a different world.
[01:11:35]  We didn't sign up to be miners.
[01:11:37]  Right.
[01:11:37]  And so there were some work stoppages.
[01:11:39]  And what I'm telling you is all recorded in these ancient tablets, which still exist and which nobody actually, nobody really denies that it doesn't say all this.
[01:11:49]  The only difference is that, like I said, you find a lot of this account under Sumerian mythology.
[01:11:56]  And there's more and more scholars who are now coming to the understanding that.
[01:12:00]  This is not mythology.
[01:12:01]  This is what actually happened and they were recording it.
[01:12:04]  Okay.
[01:12:05]  So they, uh, they had a big meeting of the leaders of the Anunnaki and they said, what are we going to do about this labor problem?
[01:12:11]  And of course, needless to say, the hawks were there saying, well, you know, let's just, you know, kill them, you know, execute them if they don't work.
[01:12:19]  And, uh, Enki, who I tag as their science officer said, well, now wait a minute.
[01:12:24]  I've got this lab down in South Africa and I've been working with these earth primitives and I think that I can maybe tweak their DNA.
[01:12:33]  And I can produce for you a worker race who will do all this grunt work and relieve the situation.
[01:12:40]  And we don't have to do that anymore, or our people, you know.
[01:12:43]  And what's interesting is they had the same ethical arguments we're having today over cloning and things like that.
[01:12:50]  And they're going, well, wait a minute, you know, it's not our place to play God.
[01:12:55]  Only God can create people, you know, and species.
[01:12:59]  And that's interesting, too, to show that these apparent aliens also have the concept of a.
[01:13:05]  universal creator or God.
[01:13:07]  Right.
[01:13:08]  But, and Enki finally convinced them.
[01:13:11]  And, you know, they said, we can't, we can't do this.
[01:13:13]  We can't play God.
[01:13:13]  And he said, we're not creating anything.
[01:13:17]  We're just improving the breed.
[01:13:19]  Okay.
[01:13:20]  Same thing we do today with cats and dogs and horses.
[01:13:24]  You know, we're just improving the breed.
[01:13:26]  So don't get the idea that we are the creations of aliens.
[01:13:31]  No, but they tweaked the DNA of earth primitives and they came up with this hybrid race, which is us.
[01:13:38]  That is fascinating.
[01:13:40]  And in fact, science now tells, as you well know, the story of Lucy that they have found the earliest human female in South Africa and that everyone stemmed from her, right?
[01:13:54]  Yeah.
[01:13:55]  Maybe she's the one that Enki worked on.
[01:13:58]  It could be the prototype.
[01:13:59]  It all fits once you really study this.
[01:14:01]  But see, as you can see, you have to have a broad view.
[01:14:06]  You have to look at all of this stuff and throw it all together.
[01:14:08]  If you concentrate on, One little area or one thing, if you concentrate on theology, concentrate on biblical study, concentrate on ancient astronauts, you don't get the whole picture.
[01:14:19]  And you can't be afraid to go there because it will be challenging.
[01:14:22]  You've got to keep an open mind and you've got to think about what makes sense and what doesn't, you know?
[01:14:27]  That's definitely true.
[01:14:28]  And just to tie up that Enki part, his counterpart was Enlil.
[01:14:33]  And there's some suggestion that what we have here is a kind of good versus evil scenario playing out.
[01:14:39]  Well, I'm not sure it's good or evil, but what you had was Enki, who, if the stories are correct, You know, he tweaked the DNA and he kind of developed the breed with this hybrid.
[01:14:52]  And that was his little laboratory experiment.
[01:14:55]  And he liked them.
[01:14:56]  Okay.
[01:14:57]  And he thought they were kind of cool, you know, and wanted to take care of them and wanted to help educate them and stuff.
[01:15:06]  Enlil was the mission commander and he didn't want to be distracted with these stupid humans.
[01:15:12]  And besides that, they started procreating.
[01:15:15]  Right.
[01:15:15]  And so he wanted to get rid of them, and Enki was a little more benevolent towards humans.
[01:15:23]  And so, yeah, that's where you kind of have a dichotomy and a difference of approach there.
[01:15:29]  But I don't know.
[01:15:30]  It depends on how you want to view it.
[01:15:32]  You know, it could be you could see that's good, you could see that's evil, you could say whatever you want to.
[01:15:37]  Well, we can see this early influence from these advanced beings on our culture in that story.
[01:15:42]  Of course, even in our own Bible, there are unusual characters that strongly suggest otherworld connections.
[01:15:49]  Now, Enoch is certainly someone who would fit that mold.
[01:15:52]  We know that his books were actually banned from the Bible because they were too controversial.
[01:15:57]  Yeah.
[01:15:57]  It's too much information, apparently.
[01:15:59]  What do you think of Enoch?
[01:16:01]  Well, there's another one, Melchizedek.
[01:16:03]  Yes.
[01:16:04]  You know, and about all we get is that Jesus was a disciple of Melchizedek.
[01:16:10]  Well, wait a minute.
[01:16:11]  If Jesus was the Son of God and he was a disciple of Melchizedek, this guy, was that make him?
[01:16:19]  You know, that's.
[01:16:20]  Yeah, there's a lot of mysteries there.
[01:16:22]  And I think the problem is the problem is not with the Bible, that, you know, a lot of people believe that it was inspired by God.
[01:16:30]  And I'm not going to argue that, but it's also been edited, re edited, and condensed and changed around by men.
[01:16:40]  Okay.
[01:16:40]  In fact, most of the Bibles that we're reading today stem back from the original Bible that we've had since the time of Shakespeare, which is the King James Version.
[01:16:53]  And in fact, it says that right there on the title page, the Bible according to King James.
[01:17:00]  Well, wait a minute.
[01:17:01]  Nobody ever said King James was the son of God.
[01:17:04]  Yeah.
[01:17:05]  And if you'll go and study that, you're going to find something really fascinating too.
[01:17:09]  A whole different view of things there because King James, uh, he was not a scholar.
[01:17:15]  Okay.
[01:17:16]  But he decided that he wanted to put the Bible in some sort of readable order and some kind of established orthodox.
[01:17:24]  Narrative that everybody could work with.
[01:17:27]  So he got these 45 scholars to translate, correlate, and as you say, like the Book of Ingrid, they didn't know what to do with that.
[01:17:36]  So they tossed it out, and several other books.
[01:17:39]  There was a book of Mary.
[01:17:41]  It went.
[01:17:41]  And of course, that had been going on ever since the Council of Nicaea and other gatherings since the Bible came into existence.
[01:17:50]  But these 45 academics, they're the ones who prepared the King James Bible.
[01:17:56]  And I think you probably could get the idea that if they came to a passage that said, throw off the kings, they're working for King James and they like their heads.
[01:18:05]  So, you know, chances are they might change that a little bit to, you know, render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.
[01:18:12]  Right.
[01:18:13]  Okay.
[01:18:13]  That's an excellent point.

=== Alchemists Seeking Monatomic Gold (05:33) ===

[01:18:14]  Of course, over time, we've had secret societies and ancient brotherhoods preserve traditions and methods of attunement from a real antediluvian period.
[01:18:23]  So there have been groups like the Rosicrucians and later even the Theosophical and Anthroposophical societies where they really had this sense of the old mysteries.
[01:18:33]  Now, where do you think this stream of Western esoteric influence is coming from?
[01:18:38]  Do you think that these underground communities were descended from these ancient mystery schools from Egypt?
[01:18:44]  You know, where they knew so much about magic and physics and the old advanced technology.
[01:18:50]  Yes, absolutely.
[01:18:51]  And the thing is, though, see, they, they, they, you go all the way back.
[01:18:55]  This is why, for example, in the Old Testament, you've got people who were actually Abraham and others who were having direct contact with God, supposedly.
[01:19:06]  Moses goes up on a mountain, talked to God, got the Ten Commandments, which, by the way, he broke.
[01:19:13]  That's right.
[01:19:13]  Yeah.
[01:19:14]  Right?
[01:19:15]  He came down, they were worshiping a calf.
[01:19:17]  He got mad, he broke them, you know, and he, He had to go back to the mountain and say, Gee, Lord, I'm sorry, but I broke your Ten Commandments.
[01:19:25]  Could you give me another set?
[01:19:26]  And God says, No.
[01:19:28]  He says, You're just going to have to reconstruct it.
[01:19:31]  So that's interesting, too.
[01:19:33]  So these Ten Commandments that we have, this is from somebody's memory.
[01:19:38]  I think this is what it said.
[01:19:40]  Yeah, good luck.
[01:19:41]  But they had this direct knowledge.
[01:19:43]  So they knew they were real.
[01:19:44]  That's why some of these religions, some of the Hindus, maybe even the Jewish religion, they are.
[01:19:51]  Adamant in their religion because it's been handed down through the generations that they had direct knowledge of a physical God.
[01:19:59]  They knew it was real, okay?
[01:20:02]  All of us, we've been brought up just with this, you know, nebulous spiritual type God.
[01:20:08]  We know he's there, but we can't see him.
[01:20:10]  We can't talk to him.
[01:20:11]  We don't, you know, we don't know exactly what's going on there.
[01:20:14]  But they actually did.
[01:20:15]  They had direct contact.
[01:20:17]  And I think that the ancient civilization, starting with Sumer through ancient Egypt and Greece and Rome, That these secret societies were trying to hold together the knowledge that had been passed along from these Anunnaki all the way down.
[01:20:31]  But of course, through the wars and revolutions and mass migrations and everything else, a lot of that got lost and fragmented.
[01:20:41]  Yeah.
[01:20:41]  Yeah.
[01:20:42]  For example, the alchemists, we all know the alchemists were looking for the philosopher's stone, which has been badly translated as the cup, you know, the chalice.
[01:20:55]  That it held the blood of Christ.
[01:20:57]  Oh, I think that's something somebody made up.
[01:20:59]  Okay.
[01:21:01]  If you go back and actually read some of the material from these middle aged alchemists, well, they were in the middle ages, but they were alchemists.
[01:21:11]  One of them, for instance, says that the philosopher's stone is actually gold reduced to a fine powder.
[01:21:20]  So they were after the monatomic gold, is what they were.
[01:21:23]  And they knew from the knowledge handed down from the past that it was possible.
[01:21:28]  To take gold and transmute it into this powder, but they had lost the formula.
[01:21:33]  They didn't know how to do it.
[01:21:34]  And then that got twisted around to where today what we hear is that they were trying to take base metals like lead and change it into gold.
[01:21:43]  And maybe they were, okay.
[01:21:45]  But I think it started off with their effort to try to reconstruct the formula for reducing gold to the white powder, to the monatomic gold.
[01:21:58]  Now, what is it about gold?
[01:22:00]  You know, what is this mystical property in gold that seems to supersede everything?
[01:22:04]  We have it in the Anunnaki story.
[01:22:07]  In the Bible, of course, it's everywhere.
[01:22:09]  Certainly in the Middle Ages, right up to today, there's this gold obsession.
[01:22:13]  What is the reason for this fascination?
[01:22:16]  It goes far beyond just the fact that it's a precious metal, right?
[01:22:20]  I mean, there are other precious metals, you know, diamonds and rubies and silver.
[01:22:27]  They're all precious, but they don't come close to gold.
[01:22:30]  There's something about gold.
[01:22:31]  And the only thing I can tell you is that the Anunnaki, from the very beginning, they were after gold.
[01:22:36]  Yes.
[01:22:37]  So from the very beginning, there was an understanding that gold is somehow precious, desirable, perhaps even holy.
[01:22:45]  Okay.
[01:22:46]  And according to the Sumerian tablets, the reason for this was, and this is really interesting, is that they were needing gold to repair the atmosphere of their home planet, Nibiru.
[01:22:59]  And the reason that's interesting is because early on, when we began to have problems with ozone holes, In our own atmosphere, none other than Dr. Edward Teller,
[01:23:13]  the father of the H bomb, he said, Well, perhaps we need to put polarized gold in the upper atmosphere, which will reflect UV rays and hold down global warming and help repair these ozone holes.
[01:23:32]  So maybe that's exactly what they were trying to do.
[01:23:35]  And that's why the gold had a much More powerful, uh, usage for them than just trinkets.
[01:23:43]  And that's why that all the way down to all the civilizations, all of whom, uh, see, I found this amazing.

=== Levitating Stones and Ancient Tech (04:04) ===

[01:23:48]  I'd been taught in school.
[01:23:49]  I knew about the Babylonians and the Assyrians and the Phoenicians and, you know, I always thought these were separate empires and separate civilizations.
[01:23:58]  Huh.
[01:23:59]  It starts with the, uh, Sumerians and then it degrades into the Babylonians and then into the Assyrians and you can track them all the way down and then to the Egyptians.
[01:24:11]  And then to the Greeks and then to the Romans and finally down to us.
[01:24:16]  And it's always been a devolution rather than an evolution.
[01:24:21]  Okay.
[01:24:22]  That's true.
[01:24:23]  And that's why it's kind of funny because, you know, here today we think with our computers and lasers and stuff that we are the apex of technology in this world.
[01:24:32]  And so, but I think actually we're only now getting back to the level of some civilization that existed long before our recorded history.
[01:24:41]  And the remnants of that are found all over the world.
[01:24:45]  The pyramids, for example, and the Sphinx.
[01:24:48]  I had heard this argument, and then when I went to Egypt, I saw it for myself, and it's very real.
[01:24:53]  On the Sphinx, particularly, and on the Great Pyramid, there are very obvious evidence of vertical erosion, which can only occur through rainfall.
[01:25:05]  If it was windstorms, it would be horizontal.
[01:25:08]  Right, right.
[01:25:09]  This is a very vertical road, and the only way that can happen is through having.
[01:25:15]  The Great Pyramid and the Sphinx sitting out under very heavy rains for many, many years.
[01:25:21]  Okay.
[01:25:22]  Well, the geologists will tell you that there has not been any significant rainfall on the Giza Plateau for more than 10,500 years.
[01:25:32]  So that tells us that the Great Pyramid and the Sphinx were existing 10,500 years ago or more.
[01:25:39]  So they're the creation of a much older culture.
[01:25:42]  That leaves out the Egyptians because the Egyptians were only here 5,000 years ago.
[01:25:46]  Definitely.
[01:25:47]  But see, that shows, though, the breakdown of our so called science.
[01:25:52]  Nobody wants to.
[01:25:53]  Really investigate something from an objective standpoint because they all have their viewpoints and their scientific positions to hold on to.
[01:26:02]  That's why the geologists will acknowledge this that they probably were built more than 10,500 years ago, but the Egyptologists deny that because there goes all of their theories and stories about Aga Nathan and the Pharaoh and Nefertiti and Cleopatra.
[01:26:20]  They have to rewrite the whole thing.
[01:26:22]  They have to go back and rewrite their books, so they're not about to do that.
[01:26:25]  Oh, that's an excellent point, actually.
[01:26:27]  Well, how old do you think the Sphinx really is?
[01:26:30]  More than 10,500 years.
[01:26:33]  And apparently, by the best estimates, the Great Flood occurred about 12,000 years ago.
[01:26:39]  So, sometime between 12,000 and 10,500 is apparently when they constructed the Great Pyramid.
[01:26:48]  That is so interesting.
[01:26:49]  I think, based on the research of Graham Hancock and others, we do get a picture of this advanced civilization that existed back there in that time frame.
[01:26:57]  In antiquity, and they were apparently very spiritually adept.
[01:27:02]  They also possessed incredible psychic ability as well as technological genius.
[01:27:07]  So, you know, of course, I think of the psychic Edgar Cayce and how he said they'd used a kind of combination of sound and mental power to build the Great Pyramid.
[01:27:17]  You know, if that's an alien monument, we'd have to wonder what it represents in our time and how it was even constructed.
[01:27:24]  If you go to the Farsight Institute website, I noticed they have a remote viewing of the Great Pyramid.
[01:27:30]  Yeah, that's Courtney Brown's project.
[01:27:33]  And they have stated that, yes, it was built many, many years before we think it was, and that aliens were involved, and that they had a technology that levitated these stones to some degree, and that they didn't have to carry them, they just maneuvered them into position.

=== Are We Worth Saving (10:40) ===

[01:27:52]  Interesting.
[01:27:53]  I'll post that link to the Dark Journalist Facebook page.
[01:27:56]  Now, Jim, my last question for you, and it's been really great having you here to go deep on these important subjects.
[01:28:03]  I wanted to ask you about Richard Thielman.
[01:28:06]  Yes.
[01:28:07]  And now he's made some extraordinary claims to you and he's really shared some powerful supporting information.
[01:28:15]  Can you just give us a brief outline here of his story?
[01:28:17]  This is a fascinating story.
[01:28:19]  He entered the Navy in the 70s, back before digital technology.
[01:28:24]  And so, but he says all his paperwork and the hard copies of his military experience were all scrubbed.
[01:28:32]  And then that, of course, has allowed them now to say that, well, he was never.
[01:28:36]  In the military.
[01:28:38]  In fact, one of the big things that the debunkers latch on to is that he has an ex wife who has told somebody, no, he was never in the military.
[01:28:49]  But what Richard explains is that he was operating sheep dipped, if you know what that is, which is they're out of the military, but they're still secretly working for the military.
[01:29:00]  And so the military disavows him.
[01:29:02]  And so he carefully instructed his wife to tell everybody that he was never in the military.
[01:29:08]  But there's other things that tend to show he was.
[01:29:10]  There are pictures of him in his uniform.
[01:29:13]  There are pictures of him with medals.
[01:29:16]  He even got accused of stolen honor, stolen valor, I think was what they call it, when you claim that you have some medal, some honor, and that you don't really deserve it, right?
[01:29:30]  And so, in fact, somebody even notified the FBI.
[01:29:33]  And okay, so they went and talked to Richard, and then they went away and left him alone.
[01:29:39]  So they were satisfied.
[01:29:41]  They were satisfied that there's something there.
[01:29:42]  And there's so many other things.
[01:29:44]  The fact that he has been in highly classified military installations.
[01:29:49]  He has been in contact with very high ranking military leaders.
[01:29:53]  And, uh, so what's the hot deal about Talman?
[01:29:56]  Well, uh, back in 2008, uh, he said, and this has been reported that there was a briefing for the United Nations with the representatives from France and Russia and, uh, the UK.
[01:30:11]  And basically the briefing was, Hey, UFOs are real.
[01:30:15]  There are aliens.
[01:30:17]  They are visiting the earth.
[01:30:19]  And this is going to become public before too long.
[01:30:22]  I think one of the dates given was 2017, which is, hey, we're getting close, right?
[01:30:29]  Definitely.
[01:30:30]  And so they said it's time that we brief you on this so that you can go back and start telling your leadership so they can start conditioning your people for the idea of this knowledge that we're not alone.
[01:30:43]  Okay.
[01:30:44]  And of course, when he publicly stated that, or when he was quoted as saying all that, And immediately brought the trolls and the deniers and the debunkers out.
[01:30:54]  Big time.
[01:30:56]  And they're doing everything they can to disparage him.
[01:30:59]  But I think the fact that he was investigated and nothing ever happened shows you that he really is the real article.
[01:31:08]  And of course, he said that he's actually been to space.
[01:31:11]  And that he went on an alien spaceship.
[01:31:15]  Really amazing.
[01:31:16]  And went to the planet Venus, as a matter of fact, and just told all of this interesting stuff about space.
[01:31:24]  And even was giving a little look into the future of the Earth.
[01:31:29]  Okay.
[01:31:30]  And how's that looking?
[01:31:31]  Which seems in doubt.
[01:31:34]  Oh, really?
[01:31:35]  Yeah.
[01:31:37]  I think he and some of the people he's talked with have said that we're kind of on the bar of time here, that these aliens are studying us very closely and trying to decide if we're worth saving.
[01:31:52]  Do they really want to give us technology and help us have a big leap?
[01:31:56]  Forward, you know, at the risk of ourselves using them for weapons and blowing ourselves up.
[01:32:02]  Do they really want to waste their time doing that?
[01:32:04]  Or can we grow and mature and maybe get advanced technology and not use it to either blow ourselves up or to control and subjugate other people?
[01:32:16]  You know, it makes sense.
[01:32:18]  It's a good question.
[01:32:19]  And I'm not sure they've reached a conclusion on that.
[01:32:25]  Although, as I understand it, I think the final decision.
[01:32:29]  Disposition is today is that they're just kind of hands off and they're going to let us do whatever we're going to do and they're going to see if we're going to be able to get our act together or we're going to just have a big war and blow everybody up.
[01:32:42]  Non interference.
[01:32:43]  So it's up to us.
[01:32:44]  We can't look for our space brothers to come and save us.
[01:32:50]  One last thing on Thielman.
[01:32:52]  There's something interesting and unusual about his anatomy.
[01:32:55]  Right.
[01:32:56]  Well, they said that because he was going in this alien ship and was going to be at this base on Venus.
[01:33:02]  That they had to operate on him so that he could withstand the rigors and changes of both the trip to space and the base there.
[01:33:14]  And he showed me a scar that went from the bottom of his neck all the way below his navel.
[01:33:20]  And it was really incredible because, as an old police reporter, I have set in on autopsies.
[01:33:26]  And the only, and I've seen plenty of people's scars, and I've seen open heart surgery scars, which are usually, you know, what, only about that long.
[01:33:36]  Yes.
[01:33:36]  The only scars I've seen that are as long as the one I saw on Richard Tillman are autopsies.
[01:33:43]  Wow.
[01:33:43]  But it couldn't have been an autopsy because he was still walking around.
[01:33:47]  Right.
[01:33:48]  So they definitely altered him.
[01:33:50]  And the point is that they altered his organs so he could survive these long space journeys.
[01:33:54]  Oh, well, I think they implanted something.
[01:33:56]  I think they put something in him that allowed him to cope with it.
[01:34:00]  That's been several years ago that that happened.
[01:34:03]  And the older I get, the more I forget.
[01:34:07]  I don't know about that.
[01:34:08]  I mean, you seem sharper than ever to me.
[01:34:11]  Well, that is an intriguing story about Thielman.
[01:34:13]  And let's work on getting him to come forward and tell his story here.
[01:34:17]  That'd be great.
[01:34:18]  And, uh, I, I don't have any way of contacting, but I may have a way of contacting people who are in contact and, uh, I'll put the word in, see if he might not be willing to come out.
[01:34:28]  Uh, I know several years ago, well, 2008 or so, there was a huge, uh, outcry, you know, oh, he's a hoax.
[01:34:35]  He's a phony, caught all kinds of problems.
[01:34:39]  And, uh, I, but I'm thinking today with all the stuff that's come out and what we know about today, Kennedy assassination, 9-11, all these false flags and And all this lying and propaganda that's going on.
[01:34:56]  And there are more and more people waking up.
[01:34:58]  I think there's a general consciousness raising going on in the American public for sure.
[01:35:02]  Don't you agree?
[01:35:03]  Absolutely.
[01:35:04]  There's no question.
[01:35:05]  So I'm thinking today maybe he would be more agreeable to coming out and telling his story.
[01:35:12]  That would be fantastic.
[01:35:14]  Jim, excellent having you on the show today.
[01:35:16]  Just incredible new research and, of course, alien agenda.
[01:35:20]  Just a classic book that really set the tone for a deeper understanding of UFOs and advanced technology and the big picture.
[01:35:29]  Alien agenda.
[01:35:32]  Well, I have my copy right here.
[01:35:34]  Just a great book.
[01:35:35]  Of course, anyone can find your books at jimmars.com.
[01:35:38]  Right.
[01:35:39]  Amazon, any bookstore.
[01:35:41]  Amazon, right.
[01:35:42]  And of course, you have some major conferences coming up here in 2016.
[01:35:46]  We're going to do some together, actually.
[01:35:48]  Yeah.
[01:35:48]  So thank you so much for being here today.
[01:35:50]  And it's always very enlightening.
[01:35:52]  Well, thank you.
[01:35:53]  I appreciate it.
[01:35:55]  Terrific.
[01:35:55]  Have a great afternoon over there.
[01:35:57]  All right.
[01:35:57]  You too.
[01:35:58]  We'll definitely talk soon.
[01:35:59]  But hey, this was really fun.
[01:36:01]  Anytime you want to have a talk, Liz Holler will do it again.
[01:36:04]  Will do.
[01:36:05]  Thanks, Jim.
[01:36:06]  Okay.
[01:36:07]  Adios.
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