David Knight and guests dissect Pete Hegseth's controversial prayers, Sheriff Richard Mack's defiance of a judge in Las Vegas, and Lou Belose's claims that ATF investigations ruined his career due to racial bias. The episode explores conspiracy theories surrounding Dorothy Kilgallen's death and the JFK assassination, while Lou Valosi details his undercover work exposing how gun prohibition fuels black markets. Ultimately, the discussion argues that federal overreach, AI surveillance, and political agendas threaten local law enforcement autonomy and individual liberty. [Automatically generated summary]
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Truth as a Revolutionary Act00:11:21
Of deceit.
Telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
It's The David Knight Show.
As the clock strikes 13, it's Friday, the 1st of May, May Day, May Day, 2026.
Well, we're going to see.
Today is the last day, or perhaps it's the first day of no war, assuming that Congress has not done anything.
But we have pre recorded a couple of interviews for you that I think you're going to really enjoy.
And I'm going to tell you about those when we come back.
But again, I don't know if they have called time out based on the War Powers Act or if they've done anything at all about it.
As we pre recorded these interviews, This is something that not even the mainstream media is talking about.
And we're not talking about the constitutional requirement to declare war before you go into it, but their add on law, which says, oh, you can do whatever you want, but only for 60 days.
Well, time is up.
We'll see what happens with that.
But we're going to have a couple of great interviews.
I think you're really going to find these things entertaining.
We're talking to an ATF agent who was part of the ATF for 25 years.
20 years of that, he was operating undercover.
Very similar to.
To the interesting stories that we got from the FBI agent who was doing undercover work in terms of looking for a mole.
So, we're going to talk to him as well as to Sheriff Mack about what is happening at the local level.
Well, as I said, we'll tell you more about these interviews that are coming up, but I think you're going to want to stick around and hear these.
But I want to begin with what I think is the most important aspect of how we get through these dark times as we are living.
In this place that we really are just strangers and pilgrims in, we have a congressman who has an abortion advocate.
There's a little bit of grandstanding this here, but I liked what he did.
He's a young guy, Brandon Gill from Texas, and he started asking this abortion advocate what her favorite form of abortion was.
Of course, she's not going to get into that discussion, but he made his point anyway.
Here's that clip.
You're an advocate for abortion, for abortion policy.
What's your favorite type of abortion?
I am an advocate for patients having access to the full realm of reproductive health care.
But do you have a preferred method of abortion that you like?
I do not.
Let me read through a couple different methods, and I want to get your take on how much you like these.
The first type is called a suction abortion.
This is when the cervix is dilated, and a strong suction, 29 times the power of a household vacuum cleaner, tears the baby's body apart and sucks it through the hose into a container.
Do you prefer that method?
I stand by my former testimony.
That sounds kind of gross, doesn't it?
Sounds pretty gruesome.
Do you agree?
I stand by how I answered your question fully and accurately.
Okay, what about this one?
This one is called dilation and curetage.
After dilation of the cervix, a sharp looped knife is inserted into the uterus.
The baby's body is cut into pieces and extracted, often by suction.
Do you prefer that method?
What I believe we are here to talk about today is the FACE Act.
We are not here to talk about the FACE Act.
I'm asking you, you're a pro abortion advocate.
I'm asking if you prefer the deletion and curative method.
I am an access to reproductive health care advocate.
You don't care about abortion.
The patients don't get to hear any of this stuff.
I would prefer to talk about the reason that the committee called the hearings.
Is it because it's uncomfortable to talk about?
It should be uncomfortable.
I would prefer, if you would let me finish my statement, to talk about the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act.
Which is what we're talking about.
We're talking about what that access gets.
How about this one?
It's called dilation and evacuation.
Forceps are inserted into the uterus, grabbing and twisting the body to dismember him or her.
If the head is too large, it must be crushed in order to remove it.
Do you prefer that method?
I would prefer to talk about the reason the hearing was called and the basis of my expert testimony.
It's uncomfortable to hear this, isn't it?
It is.
I think it is because it's barbaric and evil.
How about this one?
It's called the saline injection.
It's when a 20% salt solution is injected through the mother's abdomen into the baby's amniotic fluid.
The baby's skin is burned off.
The baby ingests the solution and dies of salt poisoning, dehydration, and hemorrhaging of the brain.
Do you prefer that method?
I would prefer to talk about the subject of the hearing.
This is the subject of the hearing.
This is about protests outside of abortion clinics.
I'm asking you about abortion.
I stand by my prior testimony.
Okay.
I wouldn't want to talk about this either if I were you because it.
Yeah, this is what you are advocating for, and this is what you want to prevent people from.
Talking to anybody about it.
You don't want them to think about the fact that you're killing a baby, brutally killing a baby.
And you know, isn't it interesting?
I like the way that he did his very deadpan combo thing.
Oh, one more method here.
Let me ask you about this one.
You might ask, well, do you think that one of these is better for the health of the mother than some of the other ones?
Is that a concern of yours?
Or are you not interested in the health of the mother?
So, again, is there a method that is preferred by the abortion clinic?
Is one of them easier than, uh, is it less time?
Uh, is it less effort?
You know, what is really happening here?
See, that's the issue.
They don't want to talk about the fundamental issue.
And that is the case in so many different areas of our lives, especially in government.
As a matter of fact, Ben Sass, who is, uh, you know, former senator, uh, he was, uh, for just a year, he was president of the University of Florida.
Then he found out that he had, uh, A very virulent form of cancer and didn't have very long to live.
He has been taking some experimental treatment that I played a clip the other day.
He's talking about life and death and his Christian belief and other things that are transcendent.
And he's still talking about that.
It's become a great opportunity for him to get real with people.
And he said, Congress is not wrestling with big or important questions.
And you know, it's not just Congress.
In so many ways, it's each and every one of us as well, isn't it?
He said, current lawmakers should be more open to publicly adjusting their stance on legislative issues after learning more about a topic or hearing a fresh perspective.
And of course, we see them flip flopping all the time, but not because of principles, but because of donors and political pressure that's put on them.
He says, it doesn't encourage a lot of humility.
It doesn't encourage someone saying, you know what, I used to believe this, but I listened to somebody else and I realized I was wrong and I learned this new thing.
He said, there isn't any audience for that.
He said, the Senate needs to be less like Instagram.
The Senate needs to be more deliberative.
And he said, that means less SmackDown nonsense that's happening there.
Again, the show trials and things like that.
And I'm not saying that what Brandon Gill did was SmackDown nonsense.
People need to hear that.
They need to hear what the abortions are about because they do everything they can to stop it.
As a matter of fact, you're not allowed to show pictures.
Of aborted babies.
There was a woman who ran for Congress simply because she wanted to show those pictures as part of her congressional ad, and they can't censor what you say on a congressional ad.
Any other venue, they could censor that.
He said a republic actually requires people who do deliberative, long form discourse, learning, humility, and community building.
We are not doing that now, he said.
Yeah, we noticed.
He said one of the areas where he said lawmakers should take a deeper dive is in AI and its potential to impact society in a positive way.
Well, we should also take a look at its ability in a negative way, too, shouldn't we?
As a matter of fact, I get into that with the ATF agent in the interview that we've got coming up.
We talk about that as well as the importance of local law enforcement.
In the same way, we talked to Sheriff Mack.
There's some common ground there that I think is interesting.
We also had some interesting, I didn't get into it with him telling my opinion.
You know my opinion, but I just wanted to hear what he had to say about prohibition in general and about things like civil asset forfeiture.
You'll hear all that in the interview as well.
One of the areas he said lawmakers should take a deeper dive is artificial intelligence.
Again, he said, what the digital revolution does is accelerate almost everything about the human experience.
And I would say the most concerning thing, which he's not talking about this, even if he is aware of it, I just don't think he's aware of it the abuse, the power for abuse that is there.
And yet we have in the Trump administration, the Republican Party, and even to the Democrat Party as well, they want to give a Give carte blanche and no oversight.
As a matter of fact, give legal immunity to damage done by artificial intelligence.
That's the Illinois law that we've talked about.
And the fact that if you go big, you get immunity.
If you have a big model that you spend $100 million on or more, then that's one qualification for immunity.
If you do damage of more than a billion dollars, if you kill 100 people or more, they will give you legal immunity for your artificial intelligence.
And they're incentivizing massive crimes.
And at the same time, they're going to shut down their competition.
And that is a big part of that.
We also talked about that with the ATF agent.
We had a lot of, touched on a lot of different points I think you'll pick up.
Sass, who's been open about his terminal prostate cancer, has been reckoning with mortality, and he urged his former colleagues to do the same.
He said, We are all mortal, we are all on the clock.
We're all going to be pushing up daisies eventually.
I think wisdom requires us to grapple with our own death and with our finitude early.
So, we've got a lot of people who serve in government who really do think that the highest and greatest thing you can ever do is to have the title of senator or congressman.
And we could also add president, right?
He said that is BS.
He said the best thing you can do is be called dad or mom, lover, neighbor, friend.
Those are the things we should aspire to, right?
Praying for Godly Leaders00:14:14
He shared his parting wish for elected officials and citizens.
He said, We need to grapple with our own mortality and with the contributions that we can make to future generations.
Turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and their grandchildren.
He said, I'd like a lot more dinner tables to turn off the devices and to put them out of the room and to pour a big glass of wine, break bread together.
And wrestle with some really grand questions about what you are building for your family and for your next generation.
Wouldn't that be great if we actually did think about that from time to time?
Well, you have at least one Christian publication is talking about War Pete and his prayers.
I'm not the only one.
This is an article from Stephen Wedgworth.
He says it's called Praying During a Time of War.
He says, Pete Hegseth is right to pray for our military, but our wartime prayers also require humility, which we don't see in War Pete.
He said, When he read a prayer that asked God to deliver our enemies, quote, to the eternal damnation prepared for them, right?
He says, so where, he says, not just the fact that it's coming from pulp fiction, but also he says there's something really key that is missing from this, and that is humility.
He said, the common theme in the prayers that he has prayed, as well as pulp fiction that he quotes, Is that the work of the U.S. military is the eschatological?
Let's see.
Eschatological.
That's funny.
Eschatological?
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you.
That's why I have him here.
The end of everything, right?
The study of the end of everything.
Even if I can't pronounce it, I know what it is.
You know, the thing.
Anyway, it says many people look at this as being the vengeance of God.
He said.
A secular media response was predictably anxious and outraged.
How dare Hegseth mingle the divine with America's war?
Well, that's not really even the issue.
And he talks about how in the past the kind of prayers that would be offered took the right tone.
He gives a couple of examples as to what is missing from Hegseth.
He said, It also seems quite likely that the Pope had Hegseth in mind when he stated, God does not listen to the prayers of those who wage war.
I would be more specific, I would say those who are celebrating the murder of people in an unjust, immoral way.
And so, you know, when we look at this, it says, you know, help us to send these people to eternal damnation that you have prepared for them.
How about helping us to show them the good news about what Christ has done?
The awareness that each and every one of us, me, Pete Hegseth, you, each and every one of us, Deserves eternal damnation, but something was done in the mercy and grace of God.
Jesus Christ was sent and he died for our sins.
That's the message.
It's not the gospel, it's not about vengeance.
It's about how vengeance has been assuaged, it's been paid for.
Jesus paid it all.
We don't deserve that.
And the idea that our enemies deserve it, but we don't, is really not understanding what the Christian message is.
And it really does.
Destroy it, I think, in a sense.
So he says it's important to acknowledge the Bible itself teaches that God has ordained the institution of civil government to be the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath on those that do evil.
That's what the Pope was missing.
He doesn't understand the concept of a just war.
You know, God has ordained government to protect people, not to act as the aggressor.
See, we're not avenging evil, we are creating evil.
We are initiating the conflict.
He said individuals or governments might commit acts that are so heinous as to make a crushingly violent response the only one.
But again, War Pete is cheering the aggression, which is never justified.
We all understand that.
I mean, we all have a certain moral compass.
As a matter of fact, a lot of people have pointed out that that is also evidence of God.
The fact that we are born to understand certain things, unless we are miseducated by society to believe that it's okay to kill, it's okay to maybe be cannibals, right?
Or it's okay to steal.
But that's a learned behavior.
We all understand instinctively that that is wrong.
And if you think about the implications of it, if you decide that you want something somebody else has, you're just going to help yourself to it, you might think down the road that if you have a society like that, then everybody can take my stuff, right?
That's why we have governments from a human perspective.
But God has ordained them for certain purposes.
He says what is really key here is the lack of humility, there was no introspection.
There was no mention of the need for divine mercy.
As a matter of fact, Hegseth brags about how he will show no mercy.
There was no commending the enemies to the Lord or praying for their repentance, just constant condemnation, even conflating the U.S. military with God Himself, which is not surprising when you look at how often they conflate Trump with God Himself.
This is a problem of this regime.
And so, you know, what do we do?
Should we just be quiet about all this?
This is what the secular people are saying.
They said, shut up.
I don't want to hear about God.
Well, maybe if we knew more about God, we wouldn't have these wars of aggression that we start.
He says, a prayer manual from the U.S. Civil War contains several prayers for war, but we don't see a single confidence that one army is the embodiment of God.
We can also learn from some older ways that Christians prayed for their military.
The Book of Common Prayer has got several examples.
We even see statements about the wicked.
Deserving punishment, but we also see a sober acknowledgement of our own sins and a request for mercy to ourselves.
He said, Here's one example, it was used by the British Navy before a battle, and here's the abbreviated version of it.
Oh Lord, come and help us, for you give not always the battle to the strong, but you can save by many or by few.
Let not our sins cry against us for the vengeance, but hear us, your poor servants, begging mercy.
And imploring for your help.
And so you notice that doesn't sound like anything Pete Higgs said.
It's a shame, really.
It is.
He says, he goes on to say, it's not all boldness and confident expectation.
It's not all boasting about his chariots and his horses.
We got the best chariots.
We got the most horses of anybody.
We're going to send them to eternal damnation.
This is the kind of prayer that we see from War Pete.
And that's the thing that concerns me just how the Trump administration.
Has completely perverted Christian ethics, the understanding of what Christ has done.
They've completely rejected that.
They're out there pursuing earthly kingdoms, earthly empires.
They're all about Jerusalem and building third temples and all the rest of the stuff.
They're focused completely on the secular.
And yet they mix their invented God in with all of this.
He says there's a measure of humility and fear in these older prayers.
He said, Our own sins are confessed, and we ask that we not be given.
What we deserve.
He said this prayer sounds much more like the whole counsel of God than what we see from Pete Hegseth.
A prayer manual from the U.S. Civil War, for example, contains several prayers for war, but not any confidence that our army is the embodiment of God.
Rather, we find a crying out to God to judge between us.
That's the phrase that they used.
So, again, this is an example from World War II.
He said, In this war, this is a prayer that was done in that.
I'll give you the abbreviated version of it.
In this warfare, we are seeking to serve you, and yet in the waging of it must needs do many things that are an offense against your love.
Accept, we pray, our imperfect offering.
Arm us with your spirit that our warfare may further the victory of your justice and truth through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Amen.
That is a better way to pray.
And if Pete Higseth would say things like that, I wouldn't oppose him.
Having courageous and outspoken Christians for our national officials can be a great blessing.
But I'll just say don't misrepresent Christ.
Don't kick the good news about what Christ has done to the curb.
And don't glory in gory.
That's what he does.
It has its place to have confidence and decisive action, but so too does gravity.
Piety and a fear of the living God.
All of that is missing from Hegsteth and the Trump regime.
Well, there's also people are talking, I've seen several articles about this, and Trump even said he's got some strange religious idea.
The would be assassin and his manifesto, and this is a headline from Faithwire, reveals bizarre Christian views.
And what they think is bizarre about it, they said, it's what he wrote when he said, well, turning the other cheek, It's when you yourself are oppressed.
Turning the other cheek when someone else is oppressed is not Christian behavior.
It's complicity in the oppressor's crimes.
Well, again, when we look at what he was about to do, he was planning to do an assassination.
And we understand, just as we were talking about before, God has ordained governments for certain purposes, and he's ordained methods.
And assassination is something that, as a Christian, we cannot support.
And we can't support it, by the way, when assassination is done by Trump or by Netanyahu under the color of authority.
I don't accept it from them either.
Just like I don't accept aggressive wars from them either.
And so when we look at this, we understand that people like Trump and Netanyahu are sowing seeds that are going to result in us reaping the whirlwind.
And I'm not just talking about the two of them, I'm talking about all of us.
And we're looking at reaping the whirlwind from other people, other nations, but especially from God.
And we know that our nation is going to be judged for this type of thing.
You know, we look at the abortions, we look at the unnecessary wars, we look at the mass murder for corporate profits that they engage in.
It's like, how could God not judge this country?
And so that's what we need to pray.
We need to pray for our leaders, we need to pray for godly leaders rather than what we have right now.
And we need to pray especially that they would not be murderers, assassins, pedophiles, and rapists by the current crop that we have in Rome on the Potomac.
And that we also need to pray that we would not be lumped in with them in this judgment.
You know, I look at this and I think many times about the Jews that were taken into captivity in Jeremiah.
One of the most hopeful things in the Bible was from a prophet who was.
Always weeping and crying about the doom and gloom that had happened to his people.
And yet, in the 29th chapter of Jeremiah, everybody's familiar with I know the plans I have for you plans to prosper, not to harm.
He tells them.
He tells them just build houses, plant gardens, have kids, grandkids, and seek the peace of the city in which you live.
Not war, not empire, not power, but peace.
Just bothers me that these Christian nationalists, what an abomination they are.
This is not Christ's way.
We are strangers and pilgrims in this world, just like the Jews were in Babylon.
We need to look at how we can live in this without becoming part of it.
We're not looking to seize land.
We're not looking to build temples.
Christian Nationalists Abomination00:15:22
We should not join ourselves to people like that as well.
Well, I'm going to leave it at that and we're going to take a break and we'll be right back with the interviews that I was going to talk about.
Stay with us.
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All right, joining us now is Sheriff Richard Mack, and he has a constitutional sheriff's and peace officers association that is CSPOA.org.
And we got a lot of things to talk about.
There's a very interesting case back and forth because when we see all this catch and release stuff that's happening with repeat offenders, And there's a case that is happening in Vegas, which I think is very fascinating.
We're also going to talk to Sheriff Mack about the shooting and what happened to the security at the White House Correspondents' Dinner that just happened over the weekend.
So joining us now is Sheriff Mack.
Thank you for joining us, sir.
Well, thanks for having me, David.
It's always a pleasure to be with you.
You and I go way back.
Oh, yeah, we do.
But you know, all that time, I never realized until I was doing research for this interview that when you won in the Supreme Court, and of course, Sheriff Mack was the first sheriff to.
Have a challenge to the Supreme Court because he is fighting for both the 10th Amendment as well as the Second Amendment.
He won.
And I never realized before that there was a series of five Brady bills.
They were going to release them once a year, like a sequel, a bad sequel.
And so basically, you stop the empire from striking back.
They put those on hold, I guess, until a better time because of the win that you had in the Supreme Court.
That's very important.
Yeah, it was amazing.
I worked closely with the NRA on this case and then also Gun Owners of America.
And Gun Owners of America was actually the one that discovered that there were five Brady bills to be scheduled one year after another until the Second Amendment was completely gutted, if not completely destroyed.
Wow.
I really like Gun Owners of America.
I have a long history with Larry Pratt.
It goes back many, many years.
His son is now there now.
But they have been solid and uncompromising.
I mean, they're not willing to sign on to a bad bill just so they can say they've got a victory.
Exactly.
And you know what you're going to get.
If, as all the gun rights organizations nationally say, that the Second Amendment is about freedom, if it's about freedom, then don't compromise because compromise freedom is an absolute sin.
It's going the other way, it's helping the other side.
That's right.
Yeah, we never want to compromise our liberty for the promise of security because that promise is always broken.
That's what history has shown.
We have a really interesting case that's developing in Las Vegas.
You've got a guy who has, he's 36 years old.
He's had 35 arrests.
So I looked at that and I laughed at Sheriff Mac because I thought, well, this guy's gotten arrested every year since he was two years old.
So I guess we could say he's a career criminal.
But, and they're not just petty things either.
I mean, he's got manslaughter charges against him and a lot of issues like that.
And so you had a situation, and I wanted to talk about this because it raises a couple of interesting points.
We see a lot of times we see arrests for immigration.
They want to say, look, this guy's got a long rap sheet and he did this serious crime and that serious crime.
And I'm thinking, why is he on the streets then?
Right?
Who released this guy?
Right?
Why is he even?
I mean, you would look at this and think, well, they're going to go around the prisons and they're going to deport these people who've got this long rap sheet and it might be child rape or murder or something like that.
But they're out on the street.
And so, how does that happen?
How do you have an illegal immigrant who comes in and commits these serious crimes?
And then they're turned out on the street.
Well, here's a good example of this.
And so you've got this guy who's a repeat offender.
He's got a lot of arrests.
And there is a back and forth with him over this.
It's called a justice court.
What kind of a court is that in Vegas?
Is that like a little district court or something like that?
Or justice of the peace?
What kind of a court is that?
I'm pretty sure it's the same in Arizona as the superior court.
So I think that's it because justice court has to be a higher, a one up, or it's not a justice of the peace court.
Right.
That's why I was asking, is this a justice of the peace?
Just go marry somebody and leave us alone.
But he's hell bent for some reason on letting this guy out under an electronic monitoring system.
And under state law, this is not a case of a sheriff.
The sheriff got into an argument with this, or legal argument, we should say.
I mean, they weren't yelling at each other, but he wanted this repeat offender released with electronic monitoring.
And the sheriff said, no, we've looked at it.
He's too dangerous to do this.
And actually, and then the judge got upset, threatened contempt on him, and then they appealed it to the state Supreme Court.
And it turns out that there is a law that says that the sheriff has the ability to make that determination if they think the individual is too dangerous because they have to administer this program.
Tell us a bit more about that, some of the details.
Well, that's Sheriff Kevin McMahill in Las Vegas.
And this is one of the greatest examples of what sheriff's offices should be nationwide, not just because of what he did here, but way back.
I don't even know when it started, but it was way back, maybe 100 years ago, that the Clark County Sheriff was in charge of Las Vegas Metro Police.
And so Las Vegas Metro is Clark County Sheriff's Office.
And that's how it should be nationwide.
And why?
Because the sheriff is elected.
And the people must know that they can depend on local law enforcement to answer to them instead of a City Council Committee or the town manager.
The town manager is not the boss of the sheriff.
The boss of the sheriff is we the people, his constituents, the voters.
And so we the people are in charge of this government.
As Abraham Lincoln said, we the people are the rightful owners and masters of the courts and Congress.
And not to pervert the Constitution, but to pervert those who would.
Pervert the constitution, so that's our job making sure that they're doing it right.
As far as Sheriff McMahill, I met with him a couple of years ago.
Uh, at his request, we met at a funeral for another sheriff in Nevada, and we became pretty good friends.
I kept in touch with him and I told him, Hey, I want to stop by and make sure that you're familiar with my Supreme Court case.
And this is it, David, as you're probably familiar with this.
I put together this pamphlet.
That is a review of the highlights of the case.
Every American should have this in their pocket, in their car, in their home.
Show it to your kids.
But the most important thing you could do with this is they're three for $5, okay?
They're very inexpensive.
But you should be getting dozens of these and passing them around to your city councils, your county commissioners, your county manager, your county attorney.
And especially your sheriff, if he doesn't already have this.
And Sheriff McMahill is a great example.
Once you show people the truth, they do something about it.
And so here, Sheriff McMahill is now having the courage and the creativity and the wherewithal to tell judges we're not going to do this cash and release crap anymore with felons who have hurt other people, who are going to continue their recidivism.
And this is this you ask the question, why would they do this?
A very good question to ask these judges.
Why do you put hardened criminals, career criminals, back on the streets and what McMahon told them to do more harm to the American people and to law abiding citizens?
I agree.
Yeah, that's why I asked what kind of court this is.
Is this an elected or an appointed judge?
Pretty sure it's elected.
Well, see, that's the key.
You know, when we talk about everything that's happening and a lot of us don't like the way the country is going.
And I think the most important thing and where you're going to have the most effect.
It's going to be at the local level, uh, in situations like, you know, voting for judges or voting for, uh, sheriffs or whatever.
It's difficult to get information about them, however.
And so, um, uh, that is part of the problem.
And I got to say, I'm as guilty as anybody else.
It's hard for me to find information locally.
I can get all kinds of detailed information about what's happening, uh, nationally, globally, that type of stuff, but it's difficult to get that information locally.
Part of it is that we've really kind of lost our local reporting because of economic reasons and consolidation of media.
So there's, there's not much reporting that's happening there.
But it's difficult for us to get that information.
But that's where it really makes a big difference.
Now, in this particular case, I had some other questions out there that were kind of strange because this guy, even though there's this back and forth between the judge and the sheriff, apparently was able to get out on his own somehow because he's been arrested again.
And there's now a different judge who refuses to give him bail.
Tell us a little bit about that.
How did this guy get out?
I actually think he posted bail.
Okay.
Yeah.
I posted bail, but I thought that they weren't going to let him out as long as because the judge's condition was that he put on an electronic monitor.
You can't stop bail.
Oh, okay.
If bail is there and he posts it, he's out.
Well, I looked up this thing that said that they got a call that somebody was going through mailboxes.
So they go out in the area and they find that he's got like a special file key to get into the mailboxes.
And they found some other things on the guy as well.
So they arrested him again.
He's got another.
27 charges.
They found him with a shaved mail key, fraudulent ID, other people's credit cards, meth on him, and when they call it, he was going through the mailboxes at an apartment complex.
Yeah, big surprise.
So now he's got another 27 charges against him, and this judge is not giving him bail.
Wow.
It only took 37 felonies.
No, and then he might be a good judge.
There are some good judges left in America, but and the statistics with what McMahill has done.
He's done this to four different judges in the Las Vegas area.
It wasn't just the one judge.
He's done it to four different judges on 11 different inmates.
Why?
Because he's concerned about public safety.
And these judges, I got, you know, some reporter needs to ask these judges, why do you keep releasing these people, these career criminals, on law abiding citizens?
Why do you keep doing that?
We want to know.
Yeah, that was my question.
I look at this and it's like, okay, so.
You're a judge, and you decide that you're going to put this guy on electronic release, and the sheriff comes back and says, Well, wait a minute, this guy, I don't think we can handle this guy on electronic monitoring.
Wouldn't you have the humility to look at this and say, maybe I got this wrong?
Let me reconsider that and take that as an opportunity so that you don't have this on your record in case you let this guy go and he kills somebody?
But he didn't do that.
Instead, he fought against all of this and the guy got released anyway.
Yeah, exactly.
So I really want everyone on your program, Dave, to look at this sheriff and what did he do?
Okay.
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Airport Security Lapses Exposed00:04:44
I mean, like I said, it's hard to get that kind of information locally as to what's happening.
Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association helps you to get that kind of information.
The kind of questions that you can take around as a group of you can meet with a sheriff and ask him those types of questions.
John Burt Society has got voter rolls for all the state legislators and things like that.
So there are some organizations that are focused on Establishing change at the local level where you can get that kind of information.
And it's very important to work with those.
I like what you had to say about your organization here.
You said it's an organization that brings citizens, law enforcement, sheriffs, and elected officials together, solution oriented, taking our country back in a peaceful and effective way at the local and the state level.
That is the key because I think it's just too far gone at the federal level.
And the key thing is the federal level is so far gone that what they do is.
Not only are they doing the wrong thing, but they're bribing people with fiat printed money to do the wrong thing at the state and local level.
It's like incentivizing them.
That's the Southern Poverty Law Center bribing people to help them make hate bigger and better.
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
Talk a little bit about what happened with the White House correspondence dinner.
Because I played a clip where there were a couple of Fox reporters who were laughing about it.
They said, yeah, they just got a couple.
Small ladies over there holding the door open for people.
That's what the security is here.
They just couldn't believe it.
And of course, the guy who put the manifesto out, the alleged shooter, was mocking it as well.
What's your take on that as somebody who's run security for things like that?
Well, you know, yes, I have.
As a matter of fact, the last time I did it personally and with my sheriff's office was when Pat Buchanan came to Arizona in 1996.
And I worked with the Secret Service that was in charge of his event.
And, oh, We coordinated with them and they coordinated with us.
Maybe the current Secret Service needs to do that more with local sheriffs.
Now, look, they had local police.
They obviously had Washington, D.C., PD there and others.
But where did the security break down?
The minute this Cole Allen got on the train, there's no security on trains.
There's no metal detectors.
There's nobody checking luggage.
There's nobody checking what you have.
People could be going and bringing bombs on trains, and the train people wouldn't know any different.
What has to happen there is what I wish would happen at the airports that the airlines and the train companies would do their own security.
Quit waiting for the federal government to take care of your problem.
Okay.
And yeah, as a matter of fact, when they cut off the money, that's right.
When they cut off the money, there were several airports where they basically do the same TSA stuff.
And I look at it and I've said, my opinion is it's security theater because whenever they test these guys, they fail like 90% of the time.
I said, so what you take away from that is that there's not really a threat.
At the airports and airplanes.
And of course, we had a case that basically the TSA said that in their internal communications.
There was a guy who was challenging the body scanners.
And as part of his discovery, he was able to get that.
Now, of course, when they posted it on pacer.gov, which is where they put the lawsuits, they wanted to redact that, but they made a mistake and they put up the unredacted lawsuit.
And then they discovered it later in the day and then they put up the redacted version and took the other one down.
And we were able to get both copies of that.
And so we could see what they didn't want us to see.
And so they said in 2011, there's no threats to airports or airplanes.
And that was at the same time that they were threatening to make Texas a no fly zone because they were going to stop the body pat downs of children and things like that.
So it is kind of interesting.
And when I talked about it, I said, you know, here's a situation.
It's almost like a joint session of Congress where you got the president, the vice president, and the third person in the line of secession, the speaker of the house.
They were all there in that one spot.
And yet there's no security there.
Isn't that interesting?
I was just talking about this.
Who's number four?
Is that Secretary of State?
Yeah, I'm not sure.
I'd have to go back and look.
I'd have to look that up, too, because I, hey, I can't remember.
And I know I know that, but I forgot it.
Maybe Rubio was there, too.
I don't know.
Well, he is Secretary of State.
James Brady Tragic Legacy00:03:21
Yeah, yeah.
Who knows?
Yeah, I think he's a big party.
And I don't know who the Senate majority leader is.
I don't know where he is on the list.
You would think he would be right after.
Johnson, but I don't think he is.
But anyway, but the other part of the security lapse is that he's allowed to check into a hotel.
And again, there's no body scanning there either.
Yeah, you know, I mentioned that because when I went to Bilderberg and Copenhagen, we knew which hotel it was going to be.
And we booked into that hotel a couple of days earlier, hoping that we could be there at the hotel where these guys are so we'd get some pictures that are close up.
Turned out we didn't need to.
That year, Bilderberg, they had it at a hotel that was right on a main road.
And The furthest they got anybody away was across the street on a four lane road that went through there.
So we were able to see everybody that was coming and going, which was really unusual for Bilderberg.
But we went in the day before they were supposed to meet to get our hotel rooms, and they already had the place covered with people in uniform and scanners and all this other kind of stuff.
And they bum brushed us right out the door when we went in there.
And yet, here's a situation where you got like, you know, the top three office holders are all going to be meeting there the next day, and this guy's allowed to stay.
You know, they don't hassle him at all.
Yeah.
Kind of interesting.
You know, and we were talking about this before the interview.
I said, yeah, this is the same hotel where Hinckley took a shot at, actually hit him, hit Reagan, John Hinckley did.
And I said, maybe what they'll do is have the next White House correspondence dinner at Dealey Plaza.
I don't know.
And James Brady, for whom the Brady bill was named, that I sued and won.
And I do want to recall when I was at the U.S. Supreme Court, he was there in his wheelchair.
He took a shot to the head, and four of them were shot at that time a Secret Service, a police officer, Reagan, who they didn't even know was shot until he.
On his way away from there in limousine.
And then James Brady got it the worst, and he was confined to a wheelchair after that, but he was still really sharp.
And I shook his hand at the hearing where we were suing his bill.
It was really his wife's bill.
He's a good man, and I've always liked him.
And I thanked him for his service to Ronald Reagan and to our country.
And he said something very gracious to me.
He said, Sheriff, I really admire you.
For what you've done and you're standing for what you believe in.
And that really meant a lot to me coming from you.
Yeah, you know, it's a tragedy, but we have to look at the larger principles that are involved here.
And that's really what you were talking about.
It wasn't simply about his personal tragedy.
And so often we see that it becomes a cause celeb, you know, and it's all organized around something bad that happened to one person.
And it is not, it doesn't really undo what happened to that person.
To set up a really bad law that's going to cause a lot of damage.
His wife, Sarah Brady, was the one that exploited him for the gun control movement known as the Brady Bill.
And she should have been ashamed of herself, but she wasn't.
And so I didn't like her at all, but I really liked James Brady.
The Magic Bullet Theory00:05:55
Yeah.
Well, you said when we're talking about presidential assassinations, you said you've been to Dealey Plaza twice.
What was your impression of it?
I've been there as well.
The first time I went there, I have to tell you, I was with my son.
And he was like 18 years old, about to graduate from high school.
And I took him through it and showed him the museum and showed him the theory of the magic bullet and the pristine bullet and all that.
And he laughed.
He laughed.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it worked for Arlen Specter.
I mean, they elevated him up to be a senator for life, basically.
He got paid off for putting forward the magic bullet theory.
Well, and not only that, the Warren Commission report.
If you want a good laugh, Read that.
It's another laughable thing.
But the main thing that I thought when I was there is how spooky it was because it looked exactly like it did back in 1963 at the assassination.
Everything was the same the picket fence, the grassy knoll, the book depository, where it actually happened now, like I said, is a museum and it kind of gives the evidence of all of it.
And I thought every bit of it was like walking through history.
Walking through, and it was amazing.
The thing that we've included in my new book that's going to be out in about a week is Dorothy Kilgallen.
I'm sure you remember her.
Yeah, the name's very familiar.
What was it?
What's My Line or something?
Yeah, she was a regular on What's My Line.
Before that, she became very famous about a national, a worldwide race.
And I can't remember what they were racing for, but she was involved in this race, and she was also a reporter.
And after she was in that race, she gained a lot of notoriety.
And she was invited to be on What's My Line All the Time.
Well, that was a pretty good movie.
I mean, a show, a game show on TV back in the late 50s, early 60s.
I think the host was Gary Moore.
Yeah.
And they would guess people's profession when they come out.
They'd ask them questions.
Yeah.
Right.
And so she took it upon herself to do an investigation on the Kennedy assassination.
And right off, I mean, right as soon as it happened, and she started and she was extremely relentless.
And dedicated to it.
And she was good at what she did.
And she actually got an interview with Jack Ruby, who murdered Lee Harvey Oswald.
And so she's really getting into this.
And then, of course, she ends up dying.
And they don't even know how.
They said it was an accidental death, but it was exactly how Marilyn Monroe supposedly killed herself.
And we don't believe she did.
In the book, we bring out what really happened to Marilyn Monroe was murdered.
And what really happened to Dorothy Kilgallen was also murder because, and I'll tell you one reason why, David, you're not going to believe this.
So she has amassed all these reports and evidence about the so called assassination, the inside job that it was on JFK.
So she accidentally died, right?
According to police reports and what everybody said.
Then why was all her evidence missing?
From the scene of her death.
Wow.
Yeah.
They never found it again.
No one ever did a criminal investigation.
And, but all they said is, well, that's coincidental and weird.
All of the evidence that she had amassed and all the notes she took, reports she wrote, were all gone, missing, stolen.
Wow.
Yeah.
That was obviously the murderer.
Yeah.
That was obviously a seminal event for a lot of Americans changing their opinions of government.
I remember.
Um, you know, it was around Thanksgiving that uh, uh, we all got together with a family.
I was only eight years old, and and people were watching TV live as Jack Ruby shot uh, Lee Harvey Oswald.
I remember all the adults in the room were like, Okay, I think we know what's going on here now with this not a loaned shooter scenario that's happening with that, and uh, that was kind of a seminal moment for me, actually, as well.
So, uh, well, another thing that I brought up uh, ever since I was at Dealey Plaza, so.
If Lee Harvey Oswald is up on the fifth floor and he's looking down, when the president's motorcade turned right on Houston and is going northbound right towards the book depository, straight, a perpendicular, straight line right towards Oswald, supposedly holding the gun, why didn't he shoot him then?
Nothing was in his way, clear shot, clear path, and he has this white shirt on the president that he could have taken that shot.
Oh no.
No, he waits for him to turn down Elm.
And now he's behind trees.
He's at a weird 45 degree angle now.
The other one was straight on.
The first shot was the easiest one, and he missed the entire car.
Yeah.
Then, when he's much further away, much farther away, and a very difficult shot, he somehow shoots him in the front part of the right side of his head.
Yeah.
And he's behind him at a 45 degree angle.
The best, the most, the best shot he could have possibly got would have been right here on the right rear of his head.
Democrat Demagoguery in America00:10:21
Oh no.
He shoots him there.
Wow.
Talk about magic bullets and a gun and a bunch of lies.
And that's what it was.
And then by the time that the body of President Kennedy was taken back to Bethesda, Maryland, at the naval base there, his brain was missing.
Why?
Where did the brain go?
And so you have to know that the brain, more than anything, more than the skull ballistics that the bullet caused of the hole in his head, Uh, and a big chunk of his skull was back on the trunk, and that's what Jackie was in her fit of panic was crawling back on there to get a piece of his skull and bring it back to it.
She was trying to make him better, and of course, she was out of her head with panic.
And so, the key component here is the brain could have shown the exact trajectory of the bullet, so they had to get rid of that evidence, and they did.
Wow.
Yeah, it's such a horrible situation.
And what it showed us about our own government is horrible as well.
As a matter of fact, I just played a clip this week of Glenn Beck talking to Kash Patel.
He says, Yeah, I've seen the Kennedy stuff and everything.
You're not even asking the right questions.
And I can't tell you what I've seen.
It's like, you know, I am so sick and tired of a government that keeps everything secret from us in the name of national security, that lies to us so obviously, and they think we don't know that they're lying.
That really has become the hallmark of our government, hasn't it?
Right.
And they did it even at 9 11.
The FBI said, well, we hurried him and got rid of all the evidence because we wanted to bring closure to this horrible, horrible situation.
We want to help heal the American people.
That's not your job.
Yeah.
Your job is to investigate.
That's right.
We'll worry about bringing closure with our clergyman.
But you're not our counselor.
You're not our family counselor.
You're not our national counselor.
And I'm just, I am.
I'm fed up.
With government that thinks they have to take care of me and help me through a hard time.
We hired you to investigate, not throw all the evidence in the bottom of the ocean.
Well, just look at what recently came out about the Epstein Ranch, the Zaro Ranch, large ranch they had out there.
They just reopened that case because they said the FBI came in and said to the state and local investigators, we've got this, we're going to take care of this.
And then they just shut it down.
And when that came out in this recent document releases, they opened it up again.
The state legislature said they appointed, they appropriated like, you know, millions of dollars for them to do their own investigation because the FBI shut down.
And I've seen this so many times.
I saw it with Flight 800, where there was a question as to whether or not the plane was shot down accidentally as part of the naval exercises that happened.
And there'd been something that was exactly the same type of thing that happened with Iran.
And they had been conducting U.S. naval operations there, and they accidentally shot down a consumer jet.
And they compensated people in Iran for that, but they denied it here.
And you had people who had been involved as far as air traffic controllers.
They had documents.
The FBI went around to their house and confiscated the evidence and then just shut the investigation down.
And if you ask me, Dave, they're pretty close to doing the same with these 11 or 12 scientists that have been murdered and kidnapped or both.
Since 2022.
And I don't get this at all that they waited till the 11th scientist was murdered to start an investigation.
And Comer announced, oh, we better start a congressional investigation.
If I want a good investigation, that's the last place I want investigating.
Yeah, we've seen that over and over again now with Trey Gowdy and Benghazi, and we've seen Jim Jordan do dog and bunny shows over and over again.
Nothing ever comes of any of that stuff.
It's just grandstanding, is what it is.
Yeah.
And Trey Gowdy, I mean, when they discovered that back in like 2015, that DEA agents down in Columbia were having sex parties with the cartels and they had a big hearing about that, Trey Gowdy, you know, he was really pointing his finger and yelling at the director of the DEA, the first female director ever.
And the only thing that happened after they found out that this really did happen and they were taking no action.
No disciplinary action on these criminals, these DEA crimes.
Having sex parties with the cartels is about five different felonies per event, and they were doing it for years.
And so not only were none of them disciplined, none of them were charged criminally, and some of them got reassigned.
Oh, and then this is the really thing that will take care of it.
The female director of the FBI resigned.
I mean, of the DEA, resigned.
That's all that happened.
You can look that up, folks.
Don't believe me.
Look it up DEA sex crimes in Colombia, and you'll get all sorts of information about it.
Well, I laugh because it's just so far over the top.
It's like, it's just absurd.
It's just crazy.
Typical government doing nothing about real serious criminal activity by the people we're paying.
Yeah.
They're supposed to be arresting and going after the cartels.
Instead, the cartels are providing sex parties for all these DE agents every year.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, look at the fact that the, you know, it's the U.S. government that created the CIA, created the crack cocaine epidemic, you know.
And so the whole thing has not really worked out too well for us.
But, you know, talking about the Constitution, Sheriff Mack, I say this all the time.
We have two amendments in the Constitution that testify to the fact that the government doesn't have any constitutional authority to prohibit anything.
Like that, and so we had to have a constitutional amendment to prohibit alcohol.
Why did they go to all that trouble?
Well, because back at that point in time, people actually tried to stay within the constitution, we just don't care about that anymore.
No, no, and obviously, they don't care about the constitution, or there would be 20,000 gun control laws that obviously make gun control against the law.
The second amendment makes gun control in America against the law, that's right.
So, what does Congress do?
Uh, the BATF that can monitor every day, every citizen who has a gun, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.
Uh, talk about your book here.
It's called The Democrat Murder of America Demagoguery in the First Degree.
Don't you love that title?
Yeah, that's about to come out, isn't it?
Yeah, it's a great title.
Well, it should be, it should be the e book should be out in about a week, okay.
And we keep getting more we have to add to the book, like what Virginia did.
We already had what they did in their election, electing an attorney general who supported killing his opponent and his children.
That actually happened.
But of course, he won anyway because Democrats don't care about violence.
They celebrate violence, just like they did when Charlie Kirk was murdered.
And even now, they're celebrating the recent assassination on Trump.
What are they celebrating?
Great.
Let's do more gun control.
That's all that meant to them.
Do you think that Trump will go along with that?
Because, I mean, we did see in his first administration, he had Diane Weinstein right there next to him.
He had, what's the guy that's running for reelection as a senator in Texas?
I forget his name.
Cornyn.
Cornyn.
So the two of them were sitting on either side of him.
And he's saying, well, fortunately, there's things that I can do with a pen right here.
And it's like, no, you can't.
You can't amend the Constitution with a pen.
And, you know, so I don't know.
It seems like he's amenable to that.
What do you think?
I certainly pray that he's not because gun control only affects the law abiding citizen and helps arm even better the gangs and the cartels and the bloods and the crypts and the trend de agua.
And so we've got to make sure that we understand why.
The founding fathers put the Second Amendment in the Constitution in the first place, and it wasn't for duck hunting.
It was to fulfill the part of the Declaration of Independence that says it is the right of the people, it is the duty of the people to throw off such government and establish new guards for our happiness.
No, it's gotten way off, but to make sure that everyone gets this, you've got to be involved in the process of restoring freedom to America.
And what's going on right now is the utter destruction.
And yes, okay, are there some Republicans who are problems?
Yeah, but most of them were really acting.
A lot of them are Democrats who switch parties to try to control the party, the other party from within.
Yeah.
And then you have the rhinos who say they're Republicans, but they're really not.
And so it is really the Democrat Party.
And people say this uniparty.
Okay.
I get it.
There's a few things that they do similarly and agree on.
One is national debt.
They both cause that.
I get that.
Both of them helped fund Planned Parenthood.
Democrats, way more than the Republicans, but yes, some Republicans did it too.
And then the utter corruption of Washington, D.C. that's both of them.
Uniparty Debt and Corruption00:08:03
But again, I will still put more blame on the Democrats.
That's why, you know, I look at this and it's like we really have to do something at the state and local level.
As a matter of fact, there was something that was really.
That's right.
You know, it was Elon Musk who said, you got to hand it to George Soros.
He understands how to do this.
He's spending a lot of money on attorneys general at the very state level and also at the DAs and various places, putting millions of dollars in these races and getting the kind of people he wants in there so they can just turn people loose.
And he said, he's getting so much more bang for the buck.
By operating at the state and local level, when you look at how many voters there are and how much you can get, the leverage you get for your money, he said it makes a lot of sense.
And so, just from a pragmatic standpoint, that's really where we should start to try to refocus our understanding.
We need to understand what the national and the global agendas are because those are going to come at us.
But the way that we stop it is where the rubber meets the road, and that is at the state and local level.
Because as you showed with your lawsuit, you know, we can nullify.
You know, that's the middle road there is to nullify these bad laws and to refuse to be commandeered by them.
And so we can shut that down.
And so the local sheriff and the elections for judges, those are so important.
The juries are vitally important, and we've lost jury trials pretty much.
People have given up on jury trials because that has also been rigged.
That needs a lot of reform because if you're going to let the lawyers pick the jurors, that's it.
It's kind of like redistricting.
We need educated juries.
We need educated citizens.
And if you're not educated, it's going to be easy to be manipulated by the attorneys there, including the judge.
That's right.
But what we do, when they pick the juries, it's kind of like this battle that's going on in all these different states about.
The gerrymandering, if they can go in and pick the voters, they know they're going to win if they do that.
And that's what they do with the jury trials.
They go in and pick the voters on the trial.
And so there's some room for reform there, but people are not even talking about that yet.
So, anyway, I'm proud that our case stopped the Brady Bill movement because Howard Metzenbaum actually introduced Brady Bill two just two weeks after I filed.
And at that time, I'm completely by myself.
I was the only sheriff in the entire United States.
Doing this lawsuit out of 3,087.
It didn't really change too much because only six others joined me in the lawsuit.
So there's seven of us doing this out of 3,086.
So the percentage didn't really change that much, but it helped save the case.
And I have to tell you, when Brady Bill 2 was introduced, it got stalled in committee because they brought up that there was a sheriff suing on Brady Bill 1.
How can we promulgate the second one?
When the first one's in court.
And so they put a stall on that one.
They put a hold on it.
And then when we won, Brady Bills 2, 3, 4, and 5 never came up again.
By the time the fifth one would have been passed, the Second Amendment would have been completely destroyed.
And this is about the third time.
It was the first time, but there's been two times since where sheriffs have actually stood strong for the Second Amendment.
There's been three times in recent history.
Since 1997, where the sheriffs of this country have literally saved the Second Amendment from the federal government and whoever, whatever administration was in there at the time.
It happened under Clinton, it happened under Obama, and it happened under Biden.
Thank you, sheriffs of America.
Folks, if you want to be a part of that movement, join us at cspwa.org.
Yes, that's very important.
And what you mentioned is really important.
We talk all the time about precedence and the importance of precedence.
And there it is in your case, you know, because you had the case at trial, and then even more so because you won, that set up a precedent.
And so in that particular case, we got a good precedent that is being set.
But usually we don't see that.
Usually it's going the other way.
So it's nice to see a good precedent being set for once.
And I really do thank you for doing that.
And again, folks, go to cspoa.org.
And is that where they can find your book, Sheriff Mack?
Yeah, I have other books.
I've written seven books, but my new book will be on there very shortly.
Yes.
Okay, great.
And you can join as part of the posse, and they've got an information kit that Sheriff Mack and I have talked about in previous interviews, a set of questions.
And it's a great thing.
If you've got a bunch of friends, you know, who have this questionnaire from the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officer Association, you can get a meeting with a sheriff and you can ask them questions about, you know, give them this questionnaire to see where they stand on some of these issues.
That'll give you more information than you're ever going to get out of any of these websites that will go through and ask them a question.
These questions are a lot more thoughtful and probing questions.
So you might be able to get, if you've got several people with you, as we've talked about in the past with Sheriff Mack, usually they'll let you talk to them.
You say, We're a committee here from such and such a jurisdiction.
You know, we're from this neighborhood.
And, you know, oh, well, okay, we've got a group of people here that I can talk to if I.
And every Wednesday, we have training for the Posse members.
So CSPOA Posse webinar is every Wednesday.
So it'll be tomorrow.
Hopefully, you'll join and be ready to go with us tomorrow.
But we help train you how to work with your sheriff.
That's great.
That's great.
Well, thank you so much, Sheriff Mack.
It's always great talking to you.
Love the history.
It was really fascinating today.
Thank you so much.
Well, thank you too.
See you next time.
All right.
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He's a retired ATF special agent, and he is a co author of a book about a guy that he worked with on many very dangerous situations as an informant.
Against drug cartels, biker gangs, even the Gambino family.
The name of the book is Ray Khan, The Betrayal of an Informant.
And so we're going to talk to him about what life was like inside the ATF and some of these cases, what that was like.
So thank you for joining us, Lou.
Thank you.
It's an honor to be here.
Well, thank you.
I just want to be upfront about it, where I'm coming from.
And of course, my audience knows that I don't think there's any constitutional authority for the ATF to start with.
But having said that, I wanted to know what it was like on the inside.
And it sounds like you've got an amazing story.
They came after the informant that you used for quite some time, and they came after you as well, but you were exonerated.
And we're interested to hear the story about what happened to the informant and what the two of you were doing in terms of the investigations of these crime families.
So tell us a little bit about your history there at the ATF.
You were there for 25 years, I think.
Yeah, 26.
And I'd just like to start out by saying my whole life, very pro Second Amendment.
All the guys I worked with at ATF, very pro Second Amendment.
You know, and we enforce the federal gun laws, and there is a need for federal gun laws.
Every law abiding citizen in this country should have a gun, know how to use it, and protect themselves.
But let's just be honest, and let's face facts.
There is a small percentage of people here in this country who should not possess firearms.
And that is the reason why ATF exists.
Previously convicted felons, okay, people who've been adjudicated mentally deficient.
Illegal aliens, right?
It's all the 18 United States code, 922G, that whole list of people who should not possess firearms.
And that's basically why ATF exists, right?
Because they make everyone else look bad because they're trigger pullers and they're out there doing bad things.
So basically, our job is to enforce federal firearms and explosives laws.
And that puts you in front of some bad people when you live in that world.
Those are the ones who are out there on the streets.
Victimizing all the good people and doing bad things with guns.
And, you know, we found, I found personally that the best way to not only identify, but to stop that very small percentage of those people was through undercover infiltration.
What better way, you know, to gather real time intelligence and real time evidence than being able to insert your own asset right into the middle of these gangs, these cartels, right?
These criminal organizations.
And that was the path that I chose, working undercover.
I was.
And that's one of the things that when I looked at the story, the general description of Ray Khan, that was what really kind of startled me because usually you see informants or somebody who already exists in that world.
They've been a criminal in that world for a long time, but you got a guy who is basically a gas station owner or employee, and he had never had a criminal record, never been involved in any of that stuff.
That's the interesting thing, I think, is how he could get involved in that world.
This was a guy who had never, you know, never shot a gun, didn't know what in the bullet came out of a gun.
He had never, you know, never done any drugs, never been in that world, not a gangster.
Like you said, basically a 7 Eleven owner who made a silly mistake.
He walked into one of my undercover operations and he bought a bunch of untacked cigarettes, which is a federal violation.
Not a violation that, you know, we go after that the United States Attorney's Office.
Really goes after vehemently or cares about, but he loaded all these untacked cigarettes into a brand new Cadillac Escalade that we wanted because when we seize a conveyance that's used in smuggling, we're allowed to use it for our own purposes.
And as awful as that sounds, we found out that he was also in the country illegally.
So he was arrested, charged, we seized his vehicle, and he was just set up for deportation.
And his lawyer came to me and said, Man, if you can do anything, To keep Ray in this country, you know, he has children here.
He'll be the best informant you've ever had.
And, you know, I was so skeptical.
I said, you know, what is this?
This guy's not in my world.
How's he going to help me?
And the lawyer who I knew, he was convincing.
He said, just trust me.
So I did.
I took a leap of faith and we did all the necessary paperwork and all to get his prosecution deferred, which no one cared about anyway with untaxed cigarettes.
And we got his deportation stayed and we essentially paroled him into this country.
And I didn't know what to expect.
I brought him into my next undercover operation.
And let me tell you, he just hit the ground running.
And he absolutely made, he pretty much made the second half of my career.
Wow.
His uncanny ability to get in with these gangsters who were putting guns and dangerous drugs on the street and bring them to me, it was unbelievable.
So, what was it about him?
I mean, did he just have a way that he could read people and have a conversation with them?
What was it?
Yeah, even his English is not that great.
Yes, he has a way about him.
You know, when you walk in his store, he just has a way, a little bit pushy, and he knows how to connect with people.
That's his gift.
And he could connect with these gangsters and he could weave his way in and out and find out, you know, who was doing what and who would be the best targets to bring to me.
And he, you know, he could get these guys.
And that's basically undercover work, right?
To make people want to be a part of your hustle.
That's the essence of undercover work.
If I can, you know, it's not trying to become someone else, it's trying to sell yourself and get.
The bad guys to want to be a part of what you're doing, your hustle.
And that's exactly what he did.
And he would tell them about us, bring them to us, and then we would take over from there.
And we're talking about high level cartel members, high level street gang members.
And what was his hustle that they were thinking they were going to join into?
I mean, so at this point, the operations he was helping us with were storefront operations.
These were operations where we would set up phony businesses in parts of.
Of America, where there was super high gun crime, high violence.
And we would use these stats to kind of justify setting up a business that was owned and operated by the government, staffed by undercover agents.
And Ray would bring these people to us.
You know, we would kind of put out that spider web and we would end up, these are the people who were putting illegal guns on the streets.
These were the people who were putting dangerous drugs on the streets.
And what did they think they were going to get from these businesses that you set up?
I mean, what type of businesses would you set up?
And what would they?
Thinking they were going to get a part of.
I mean, we covered the whole spectrum, mob from tattoo parlors to head shops to military surplus stores with attached shooting ranges to international freight forwarding businesses on the port.
And, you know, we would never walk into these places and think that, you know, it was a law enforcement setup.
They were so well done and well stocked.
And when these bad guys would see, you know, our motto was 90% of our business is 100% legitimate.
I mean, we were actually running these businesses, but when they saw what our side hustle was, and my side hustle was always that I bought illegal guns off the street and I trafficked them up to New York and sold them for incredible profits, which really happens, right?
You know, down here in the South, where I am in Georgia, you can buy a $100 Lorson 9mm and you can sell it on the streets of Brooklyn for $2,500, $3,000.
Wow.
And it's a business, you know, it's a criminal enterprise and it happens.
And we were purporting ourselves to be gun traffickers.
Wow.
I guess that's prohibition markup that's there.
Once they prohibit it, it goes sky high.
That's what these strict state gun laws do.
They create a black market for weapons and for tobacco as well.
They've got such high tobacco taxes in New York that people are selling individual cigarettes.
I think they call them Lucy's or something like that.
Let me tell you, the state of New York has created an entire black market contraband tobacco.
Absolutely.
Wow, wow, that's amazing.
So, talk a little bit about some of the gangs that you guys are involved in.
You had biker gangs, you had cartels, you had a traditional mafia family that were there.
Yeah, you know, by far the cartels were the main ones.
I don't know if people realize that the cartels, for several decades now, the cartels are embedded in every state in this country.
Even when you go into these rural towns up in the mountains, the cartels are there.
They are now, they totally control the drug trade in America.
From pharmaceuticals, from the illegal pharmaceuticals, the fentanyl, you know, to the traditional heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine, the cartels are controlling everything.
And, you know, that's who we really, you know, we were there for guns, but we ended up dealing with so many cartels because, you know, when we did deal with the narcotics, we were dealing with large amounts.
You know, we weren't buying eight balls.
Was the DEA a part of this as well, or did you eventually bring them back in?
Okay, so you guys are just doing this for the guns only.
Yeah, for the guns, but the gun and drug world.
Does DEA buy a lot of guns as well?
Yes, they do.
Do they make gun cases as well?
Yes, they do.
And we have kind of an unspoken agreement between ATF and DEA because those worlds coexist.
Where you have a lot of drugs, you have a lot of guns, and vice versa.
Guns are the tools of the trade for the drug world.
And so it's impossible that there's not.
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You know, kind of a cross, kind of a mixing when you're working those.
So Ray would bring in cartel guys to me.
We would buy some drugs from them.
And when they saw our hustle with the guns, they would say, Well, listen, if you're into guns, you know, we got shipments of AR 15s we're sending to South America.
We'll just sell them to you here.
And next thing we know, we're buying guns off these cartel guys as well.
Wow.
So this sounds like everything is working fine according to what the ATF wants out of this.
But then, Something happened and they came after you as well, didn't they?
Tell us a little bit about that.
They investigated you and you were cleared of all charges.
But what was the reason that they gave and what do you think was the real reason behind it?
Boy, that's a long one, but I'll give you the Reader's Digest version.
I worked undercover probably for too long.
It's one of those aspects.
Less than 1% of law enforcement actually works undercover.
And when you do it, it's probably best, I would say, now looking back on my career, to maybe do it for seven or eight years and get out.
I did it for 20.
And I was doing these deep, deeply embedded long term undercover operations.
And, you know, it's a gray area.
After a while, you start believing in your own bull, and it's hard to turn it on and off.
And, you know, you're surrounded by bad behavior.
You're living in that gray area.
And, you know, eventually it gets to you.
And that it's a blurred line between who you really are and your.
You know, who you're portraying yourself to be.
I went years and years and years without ever carrying a badge.
You're kind of, you even distance yourself from the whole law enforcement community when you're deep undercover.
And, you know, for me, that led to some personal bad behavior, that led to excessive drinking, and it led to infidelity.
And, you know, unfortunately, you know, for me, it was with a federal prosecutor, and she was working on some of these cases.
And, you know, obviously that's where my trouble started.
And when they came after me for that, but the real reason was the United States Attorney's Office at the time was not liking the, trying to word this carefully, they weren't liking the racial makeup of the defendants in this operation I was working on, which to me was utterly ridiculous because You know,
if you tell me to work on an outlaw biker gang, right, if they're committing violations of federal firearms laws and I go after the Hells Angels, if I'm successful, I'm going to have 50 white defendants and nobody complains about that.
All right.
This case was being worked in an urban environment.
All right.
So the victims of this community are going to be black, right?
The perpetrators are black.
And it would have been the same if it was a Hispanic community.
Yeah.
And so.
Because that, you know, that was, and this was a U.S. attorney at the time who had been appointed under the Obama administration, who seemed to care more about, instead of fighting crime, you know, the racial inequities.
And again, I've locked up more white guys than any other agent, probably, but this particular case, he didn't like the racial makeup of the defendants.
He had even asked me about it.
And, you know, that, in my opinion, is the real reason that they came after us.
And, And, you know, eventually, as you said, you know, the OIG did a two year investigation.
They put more effort into this than they do a homicide and came up with absolutely nothing and, you know, no findings against me.
But it essentially ruined my undercover career, which probably was a blessing because it was time to stop.
So, because they're coming after you, that kind of exposed what was happening.
Is that why it ruined your career?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I spent my, you know, I was invisible for my whole career and all of a sudden now it's on the internet and in the newspapers.
Yeah.
So now you're a victim of the DEI police.
Exactly.
And so then you got cleared with all this.
And so then your book is about the betrayal of your informant, Ray Khan.
What happened with that?
What happened with Ray?
All right.
So, yeah, and I don't portray Ray as an angel.
We don't find our informants in church.
But as a law enforcement officer, you have to look at what's the greater good for the community you're trying to protect.
And Ray and his entire crew there, that culture of the 7 Eleven owners and all that, they're always looking for ways to get around the taxes and all that.
That's their culture.
Well, I mean, everybody's looking for a way to get around the taxes.
Absolutely.
There's tax avoidance, which is part of the game.
There's tax evasion, which is, again, the thing they come after you for.
But when you look at that, your case kind of reminds me of Joe Bannister, I've interviewed many times.
He was a criminal investigator for the IRS and he asked some questions about some of the tax code and he got on their bad side and they came after him.
And he was exonerated, but still, you know, it's that type of thing.
When you look at the institution, it can be something that's Kind of a side issue or a minor issue as it was with you.
Yeah.
Well, so they had come after Ray unbeknownst to me while we were working.
You know, they just, and it was actually the Department of Revenue here in Georgia that just, you know, Ray was, for whatever reason, they were actually helping us with these operations.
And behind our backs, they were working cases on Ray.
Again, for silly, silly, you know, things that really, this guy's bringing in dangerous drugs, he's bringing in cartel members.
Machine guns, sawed off shotguns.
You know, as a law enforcement officer, I don't care if he's not paying taxes on the honey buns he's selling at his 7 Eleven, right?
You have to look at what's important.
And so he was actually arrested a few times during these operations, and I had to, you know, get him out.
But once I got jammed up and I could no longer protect him, they really went after him.
And I mean, it's a crazy story.
But as soon as I got jammed up, he went and became an informant for Homeland Security.
And when they indicted him on state RICO charges for these tax.
Wow.
RICO charges.
Wow.
Yes.
State RICO charges.
He was advised to run while his lawyers worked on it.
He was advised by law enforcement officers who knew his value.
Hey, man, if I was you, I would get out of town for a while.
And he did.
He became a fugitive up in New York City.
Wow.
And now it's a lot easier to be a fugitive when you have a lot of money, which Ray did.
It's tough to be a fugitive these days if you have to live under a bridge and you don't have any money.
But Ray had cash and he survived for a long time up in New York.
He even had to run around in New York when they went up looking for him a little bit.
But his lawyers, and this is the craziest part of this whole story, it eventually came out through the hard work of his lawyers that the main revenue guys.
Who are law enforcement officers here in Georgia who were coming after him were taking bribes from Ray's competition.
Oh, wow.
The Indians who he was in competition with down here were giving these guys bribes to go after him.
I'm talking about $10,000, $12,000 watches, plane tickets, round trip plane tickets to Europe.
And it all came out.
And these guys were arrested and perp walked down here in Georgia.
And Ray was able to, after six or seven months of being a fugitive up in New York, he was able to triumphantly return.
To the state of Georgia.
Wow.
That's amazing.
Yeah, it is.
You know, we see that so often, not usually to that criminal extent, but so often businesses will use government to take out their competition.
It might just be something that's pretty mundane, like extra regulation or extra barriers to competition or people getting into the business.
So, usually it's competitors who are pushing the kind of regulations that we all complain about being excessive.
But yeah, to basically stick the revenue on him because he's their competition, that's pretty amazing.
So it's interesting you say that.
I learned that early on in my career.
You know, I actually started in Los Angeles as an ICE agent, but back then it was called INS.
And all of our greatest tips in the employer sanctions unit, you know, when we would get a tip that, you know, this company was hiring, you know, 500 illegal aliens and all these violations, those tips always came from another company that was their competition.
What better way, you know, and free to get rid of your competition?
Wow.
Wow.
Yeah, it is a rough world, isn't it?
It truly is amazing.
So, tell us a little bit about your book.
I mean, do you go into the details of the different cases that you guys were looking at with cartels?
You mentioned one of the first ones you did was the Gambino crime family.
On day two of a Cleveland operation, he got involved in the Gambino crime family.
Do you go into detail with what is happening in each of these individual cases to some degree?
Yeah, I do.
You know, all these cases have been adjudicated, so I can talk about them.
You know, that was just one example of we brought Ray up to Cleveland on this Gideon operation.
And kind of we would just set the informants free and tell them to, you know, bring us, you know, go find out who's doing what and bring it to us.
Who's putting guns on the street?
Who's, you know, who's selling fentanyl?
Who's doing the bad things?
And the first day Ray came back to me and said, sir, have you ever heard of the Gambinos?
I said, are you talking about like the Italian crime family?
He goes, I believe that's him.
I go, yeah, of course I've heard of them.
Like everybody has.
He goes, Well, I have a meeting set up with them tonight.
And this was the first day we cut them loose.
And these guys wanted to get into trafficking untaxed cigarettes.
And it was unbelievable.
And that was just what he would do.
And I do.
I go into these cases and I talk about how he would find these low level cartel guys who would come in.
And then we would kind of just climb up the ladder and we would go to their supplier.
And once we would ask for higher amounts, That they couldn't handle, they would bring us the next level guy.
And Ray would help all along the way.
And before you know it, maybe we started out buying an ounce.
Now we're buying about 10 kilos from a high level member.
And it was all facilitated by Ray.
In my career, people don't realize how valuable informants are.
Are they a headache and can they be a lot of trouble?
Yes.
But as an undercover, I would say throughout my 20 year career, 95% of the time that I was able to get into a criminal organization, It was because a confidential informant was able to make the introduction and walk me in.
So they're super valuable to us.
It's just, you have to know how to handle them.
Well, that's interesting.
Now, your experience at the ATF was really looking, investigating organized crime.
And of course, your hook into that is the gun side of things.
But when the rest of us look at the ATF, what we typically think of is somebody who is auditing and looking at the little minutiae of.
You know, how long is your barrel?
Do you have a pistol brace on it?
That type of thing.
What we saw with the Biden administration, I don't know if you were still there at the time, where they started going after gun stores and basically shutting down completely if they had a paperwork violation.
So that's a different group inside of the ATF.
I guess, how did you guys view that?
I'm sure that was two very different cultures inside that institution.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, we were the criminal investigators, the special agents.
Those are the.
We regulate that's the regulatory side, you know, they're not gun carriers, but here's the problem with ATF and with every federal agency they've become political, right?
So, every time a new president, a new administration comes in, they put their guy in charge, okay?
Their man or woman in charge, right?
So, if you look at who we got under Biden, right, we got this guy, his name was Dettelbeck, I believe his last name was.
He was Obama's roommate in college.
Uh, I guarantee you he had never shot a gun in his life.
Yeah, I can't imagine he and Obama going out to the shooting range together, right?
Yeah, no, I don't think so, I don't think that happened.
And he had no business being the director of it.
He never held a law enforcement position.
So, when you get, I'll just say it, probably an anti gun guy and put him in charge of ATF, he made the decision.
He decided we're not going to go after the bad guys.
We're not going to go after the trigger pullers on the street who are sticking guns in people's faces downtown at night.
We're going to go after the gun dealers.
It's their fault.
So, that's what happens when you get these activists.
Placed in charge of a federal agency.
Everything changes and our mission changes.
And you see it with the U.S. Attorney's Office because they kind of direct you have to sell them on your case, they have to accept it.
So when you get these certain U.S. Attorney's Office, U.S. Attorneys who are placed by these more liberal administrations, they don't want to prosecute the hardcore criminals.
They want to go after gun dealers, they want to go after federal firearms licensees.
You know, it must be their fault that all these guns are on the street, you know, involved in all these shootings.
Can't be the bad guy's fault.
Yeah.
So, so I don't think people understand that.
And those are the ones who are making these decisions and these really bad rulings, you know, that that ATF has come out with.
But, but it's not the ATF agent, the man or woman who's on the street going after the trigger pullers.
You know, it's not us.
Now, I don't know how long you've been out of the ATF in this.
Possibly wasn't even on their radar at that point in time, but we heard a lot about ghost guns, and so there's a lot of regulations going down the pike about 3D printers just in general now because of that.
They're using that as the wedge to basically for other purposes, I believe, to get rid of 3D printers.
Um, did you, uh, was the Gambino crime family creating ghost guns with 3D printers?
No, I mean, the crazy thing about the ghost guns, and I was kind of at the end of my career when they started popping up, is that.
You know, we weren't seeing that with the big organized crime, and we weren't seeing that with these, not even the cartels or the American street gangs, you know, that are pretty well established and organized, you know, the gangster disciples, the Latin kings, and all that.
It was these nerds, you know, in their apartment who were making these guns and selling them, you know, who were making some good money selling them on the dark web, you know, on the black market.
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More of an individual thing than any kind of organized movement.
And, you know, of course, the government doesn't like these guns because they're untraceable, right?
We don't know their origin, you know.
And part of our gun laws is that a gun has to be stamped with the serial number and traceable.
And even as a Second Amendment guy, I don't think that's unreasonable.
I don't think it's a bad thing.
And again, the problem is now it's created a black market for guns as well, an even bigger black market.
Yeah, yeah.
That's what prohibition always does.
We kind of joke about it in my family.
We say, you know, look at what has happened with drugs, for example.
We saw it back even in alcohol prohibition.
How it went from people drinking mostly beer and wine to people drinking hard liquor and other things like that.
And it seems like that's always the case when you've got something that's prohibited, you wind up getting a much more intensified form of it because it's more profitable for the black market to deal with that.
And so we've talked about it.
We said, if they prohibit guns like the Democrats want to do, you're going to see some pretty wild technology coming out there, I think.
Well, look at every city, look at Chicago with the strictest gun laws.
Yeah, there's guns falling out of the trees in Chicago.
It doesn't work.
That's right.
Yeah, it's got a lot of adverse effects to it.
I think all prohibition does, as a matter of fact.
But it's an amazing story.
And where can people find the book?
Is it available everywhere books are sold?
I know you've got your own website.
Yep.
Amazon is definitely the best place, the easiest place.
If you just type in my name, Lou Valosi, or Raycon, you'll find my first book, which is Storefront Sting, which.
Has just been purchased by a major network.
And are they going to make a movie out of it?
They're going to make a series out of it.
Yeah.
I was going to say, it sounds like a movie when you start talking about this stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They're going to go through every storefront I did being a different season, like the tattoo parlor, the shooting range with the military surplus store, the freight floating business, all the different ones I did, you know, with different undercover crews and all the crazy things that happened in there, shootouts and Wow.
Fights and just, it was really wild.
And so, who's bought this?
Is this Netflix, you said, that's going to do this?
I can't say yet.
It's one of the major ones.
But, you know, I knew Ray Khan was a good follow up because he was such a big part of the second half of these storefront operations.
So, I just wanted to get his story out there to let, you know, kind of let the public give him a little information about informants, how important informants are, and just tell a story of how sometimes the government just gets it wrong.
We have so many illegal aliens in this country who are abusing our system and committing crimes.
And here we get this guy who is literally a hero, who is responsible for making this country safer.
And our government can't even give him a green card.
Still doesn't have a green card?
Still doesn't.
Wow.
Well, you know, Trump's got those gold and platinum cards.
If he's got one to $5 million, he can buy.
If he listens to this, we need one.
You know, again, the prior administration let tens of millions of these people in, and all they're doing is abusing the system.
We have one here who actually helped the country.
I mean, can we get this guy a green card?
Yeah, yeah.
As I look at it, I see the big problem as being the welfare magnet, right?
You know, paying people to come in.
And of course, you know, we see the fraud, networks of fraud that were up in Minnesota with the Somalis and everything.
But, you know, at the same time, I support them, you know, cutting off the welfare magnet.
I'm also very concerned about the way that law enforcement is being conducted.
And I think there was a deliberate extremism to it that was put in there.
So that's my concern.
It's not so much even with what they're doing as the way that they're doing it, I think, is always something you had to be very, very careful about.
I think law enforcement needs to be held to a higher standard than in general.
And so that's my concern with it.
But what were some, give us an idea, since they're going to be doing probably filming some of this, give us an idea of some of your exciting stories that happened.
You said there's a lot of stuff happened in these storefronts.
Yeah, it was, you know, we would have these.
I'll just tell you, my first one was a tattoo shop.
And that was kind of what we were learning as we went along on this, didn't know what to expect.
But after 12 months running this tattoo shop in the inner city, we had purchased 430 crime guns off the street.
So we knew we were on to something.
ATF had never seen results like that.
No one had ever seen those kind of results.
During the storefront, we had all different gangs.
We just catered to gangs.
Our informant was a tattoo artist who.
Had recently gotten out of prison and had gotten jammed up.
He didn't want to go back.
He agreed to do this.
You know, he had inked all these guys in prison.
They all knew him.
And so he was able to get them all to come in.
And he was nothing but trouble.
You know, he ended up doing a bunch of things he wasn't supposed to do, getting sexual favors out back for the tattoos he was giving some young ladies.
I mean, just nonstop trouble.
Like, it was like, you know, Not only was I the manager supposedly of this place, but I had to keep him on a leash.
And we have all these different gangs coming in.
We told them all this, and this is a neutral place.
We don't want any trouble in here.
You can tag all the walls.
We left them blank and all that, but no hating.
We don't want any of that in here.
That didn't last 24 hours.
They're threatening.
We actually cut all the drywall out and kept it as evidence because of all the threats they were putting on there to each other.
You know, they would come in when different factions would come in, and next thing you know, there'd be all out brawls like a riot inside.
And we'd have to come out from behind the counter with baseball bats.
And, you know, and this is all while we're trying to buy guns and drugs and, you know, gather evidence.
You know, we're dealing with that.
And they started bringing us stolen cars.
You know, once they found out, you know, what our side hustle was with the gun trafficking and the buying the drugs and all that.
Know that opens up there like hey, they must be in anything.
We had guys bring us, uh, had a guy come in with a box of puppies once, and turned out he was a security guard at the mall.
And that's this was back when there were still pet shops at the mall, he stole a whole box of puppies and brought them in.
Uh, had a guy come in with uh prosthetic limbs, he had worked at the Georgia Regional Medical College in Augusta, and he had stolen a box of prosthetic limbs.
And I remember he.
I remember picking up one of the fake arms and looked at him.
I said, Listen, man, we're not a pawn shop.
I said, Who am I going to sell this to?
And he looked at me and he goes, To somebody with one arm, man.
They didn't get it.
Some of it was comical.
Some was fun.
Some of it was not comical.
It was deadly serious.
The same guys who were coming in and dealing with us, selling us drugs and selling us guns, Would come back at night with ski masks on and rob us.
Wow.
You know, there's no honor among thieves.
And it wasn't like we didn't know who they were.
They were wearing the same clothes.
You know, these weren't rocket scientists.
You know, they just, you know, we were burglarized in every single one.
We were burglarized.
We were robbed in several ones by our own customers.
It just, I mean, it was such an eye opener.
And, you know, we would embed ourselves in the whole community, not just the criminal community, but sometimes the whole community, because we had, you know, there were regular people coming in too.
And when we would take these operations down, we would have massive takedowns.
Say we had, you know, 100 defendants, we would have SWAT teams, you know, DEA, ATF, U.S. Marshals, you know, state and local police.
Kicking doors in, you know, because we had to get everyone quick.
Because once the word got out there, they, you know, they leave.
And we would, you know, these massive takedowns would result in car chases and foot chases and shootouts.
And, you know, the community would actually be disappointed in us.
We would find out later that, you know, because we had developed relationships and all, and, you know, they would feel betrayed.
But, you know, I always felt, hey, listen, we just made your community a lot safer because the 100 people we took out.
In this operation, those are the 100 worst people in this community.
Those are the ones putting dangerous drugs on your streets, pointing guns in your faces.
Wow.
That's an amazing story.
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I can't wait to see.
I can't wait to read the book, but I can't wait to see the movie either.
That ought to be a great film.
I mean, that's exactly the kind of story that they're looking for, I guess.
And we've seen variations of it, but you actually lived through it.
That's a pretty amazing story.
So thank you so much for joining us.
And again, you've got a website of your own.
Lou Velose.
It's L O U V A L O Z E.com.
And we've got that under your name there.
So, what do you have there that people can see?
Do you sell the books there?
Yeah, selling the books on the website and some of my appearances, I kind of, you know, post retirement, I entered this entertainment world and I found out that it's, I didn't think it could get dirtier or grimier than the federal government, but I think Hollywood.
Hollywood has showed me that it actually is.
Wow.
And, you know, I've, you know, I do a lot of podcasts, I do a lot of public speaking, I travel the country, speak to, you know, law enforcement conferences.
And, you know, I enjoy doing it.
I enjoy warning young officers about what happened to me and not allowing that to happen to them.
And, you know, talking about how important our pension is and how you don't want to just work a whole career and retire and die.
Yeah.
You know, you've earned that pension.
So live a long life and, you know, stay healthy.
And what's your message to everybody about Hollywood?
Let me tell you, like I told you before, I didn't think you'd get much worse than the corruption of the federal government.
But, boy, I said, you know, and listen, I've dealt with some really good people, but just organizationally, just as a whole, people, you know, their word doesn't mean much.
I found that I found out never take anyone serious until they've actually written you a check in Hollywood.
Because they'll tell you anything, but don't believe them until they cut you that check.
It's just a man.
And I've never seen a business, an industry that takes off more time.
You know, in October, they'll tell me, listen, well, don't expect anything.
We got the holidays coming up.
No one's going to do anything probably till mid January.
And I'm thinking to myself, we're talking three months here.
They're taking off three months.
It just, wow.
I never could have made a career in it.
I can tell you that.
That's better than Congress, even.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Yeah.
That's pretty amazing.
Yeah.
You had some amazing life experiences, and I'm sure these are very interesting books.
Thank you so much.
Again, the book that we're talking about here is Raycon, The Betrayal of an Informant.
And of course, you've got the other one.
Was that already out or is that coming out about the storefronts?
Yes, Storefront Sting, an ATF agent's life undercover.
That one's been out now for about four years.
That's the one that was purchased.
It's been out now for about four years.
And I would like to leave you with a parting thought about ATF, if you'll allow me.
Sure, go ahead.
So, and I just want to put this out to your audience and to you.
If you are an advocate of the Second Amendment and you're a proponent of gun rights, you should really love ATF.
And I told, are you familiar with Colon Noir?
No.
Big Second Amendment guy.
He was an NRA guy, a black guy, lawyer.
No, I don't know him, but go ahead.
Yeah.
I told him this recently on his podcast.
You should be a fan of ATF if you are a proponent of gun rights because ATF is a small, very controllable agency.
We have about 2,000 agents for the whole country.
The likeliness of running into an ATF agent is pretty slim out there.
The gun laws are never going away.
So if you abolish ATF, the gun laws are going to go to one or two agencies.
They're going to go to the FBI or Department of Homeland Security.
We don't want the gun laws going to those two behemoths.
You think the FBI was bad under the last administration with the authority they have now?
Give them the gun laws and see what they do.
So ATF, again, is easily controlled, it's underfunded.
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And that's exactly who you want enforcing argon laws.
You don't want the FBI or Homeland Security enforcing argon.
So, you know, yeah, that's what we'd always say when people say, well, you know, the problem is just going to make government more efficient.
It's like, no, actually, I don't want to make government more efficient because I don't like what they're doing to start with.
Yeah, I don't use the term government and efficient together in a sense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Only in Doge do we get that.
That's right.
It's kind of a head fake.
So, yeah, I'm afraid government isn't going to get a lot more efficient with artificial intelligence.
That's my real concern.
And I think that's where this is going.
And that's something, you know, not necessarily your agency, but all the different government agencies are going to be able to audit everything that everybody does and find the simplest process crimes.
It's like, bring me the man, I'll find the crime type of attitude.
And so I think that's really going to happen.
We've already had a situation, as Harvey Silverglade said in his book, Three Fonies a Day, he said, we've got so many laws on the books.
That people are typically creating three felonies a day and they don't even know it.
Well, you're going to know it when you get a call from the people who are representing the artificial intelligence that's gone through and audited your life in so many different areas.
That's what I'm concerned about is the overregulation.
You are absolutely right.
And to me, it all started with traffic cameras and these license plate readers.
That's where it started.
Yeah.
It's just going to get worse.
Oh, it is getting worse rapidly through Flock.
We got the Flock cameras out there, and you create this mechanism where you have these private companies.
That are basically doing the surveillance and the law enforcement work, and they're just passing it along to the official law enforcement, which is just collating and doing the process work of this stuff.
And they do things because they say, well, we're private.
We can do whatever we want.
We're not governed by the restrictions that would govern us if we are the government.
And yet, in reality, they really are.
They're just not deputized, they're not official, but they have all these police state powers of surveillance and other things.
That's really my concern.
And we have seen the money they're making is ridiculous.
Yeah.
And so it gives them more incentive to do more.
And if you look at one of these tickets, because my wife and I have gotten them from these traffic cameras, you're absolutely right.
There's just one police officer who signs it.
Everything else is done by this private company.
Yeah, that's right.
And frequently, it's not even in America.
It's another company that's running these automated toll things.
And after we moved from Texas, we got several tickets.
We were not even in the city that purported to have been a violation of a toll or something.
And you waste a lot of time fighting this stuff.
You win, obviously, if you fight it, but you waste a lot of time doing it.
And if you don't respond right away, they start rapidly multiplying the fees that are on it.
It's a.
There's a lot of issues that are there and, and none of that stuff is being addressed by people in government.
They, they're really late to the game if they're ever going to do anything about it.
I'm skeptical that they ever want to do anything about it because I think it is the kind of structure that they really want that is out there.
But, you know, that the part of it that in terms of the ATF and things like that, I guess really when you look at it from our perspective, it's, it's really the, the people who are pushing through the regulations that are there and how, as you pointed out, it's, it's very political and depending on who is in charge of it, They can really weaponize those regulations against people.
And they've got an agenda where they want to see all of the guns disappear.
So I think that's the real concern about it.
Yeah.
Well, thank you so much.
Politics has seeped into law enforcement.
Yeah.
And that's not a good thing for the people, for the citizens.
That's right.
Yeah.
I was just talking to Sheriff Mack, who is about the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association, big guy on pushing for local control of law enforcement.
Having sheriffs that are elected by the community.
I think that's important.
And I think the more distant and more bureaucratic everything gets from us, the more dangerous it is.
And it's getting rapidly distant and dangerous from us, I think, all the time as we look at it.
Well, just take a look at the police chiefs that we currently have in the big cities here in America.
And I can tell you, it's a bunch of clowns.
And they're not elected by the people.
That's right.
That's right.
Yeah.
That's right.
So, yeah, that's a real warning for everybody.
But you're.
Story is truly amazing and a very interesting story, I'm sure.
And I'm sure it'll be very entertaining.
I can't believe they would not make it into a movie.
It's exactly the kind of story they're looking for.
Thank you so much for joining us, Lou.
I appreciate it.
Lou Velosi.
And again, you can see his website there under his name.
He has a website where you can find the book.
Of course, you can find it on Amazon or where books are sold.
Thank you so much for joining us.
It was an honor.
You have a great show, and it's an honor to be a part of it.
Well, thank you.
Thank you.
Glad to have you on.
Thank you.
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