Interview: The Global Financial Order Is Unraveling
Tony Arterburn of Wise Wolf Gold returns to map out what he calls a controlled demolition of the post-WWII financial order — with Trump as the designated wrecking ball, deliberately or not, torching the petrodollar, NATO, and U.S. diplomatic credibility simultaneously while insiders place billion-dollar bets minutes before his market-moving statements.
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Joining us now, by the way, is an Iraq War veteran, Tony Ardabin of Wise Wolf Gold and Silver.
And you can get there going through davidknight.gold.
We'll get Tony's take on what's happening with gold and the economy, what is coming next.
Thank you for joining us, Tony.
Good to have you.
It's great to be back, David.
Good to see you again.
Thank you.
It's good to see you.
But, you know, we have this.
And they had Trump yesterday, you know, changing his story every few hours.
You know, first he's going to leave.
And I was joking about it yesterday, saying he needs to get up and say, I came, I saw.
I ran.
I heard that.
That's really good.
But now he's going to get really tough with everybody.
So, what's going on?
Are they going to sacrifice a bunch of soldiers to his Carg Island attack?
What do you think is going to happen?
Well, it's just like you mentioned yesterday in the whole concept of taco, you know, Trump always chickens out.
That may be dangerous here because we don't know exactly who's pulling the strings here.
I saw a story that even Michael Savage has distanced himself from Trump.
I saw that clip.
He has to cut ties.
He says somebody's whispering in his ear.
And I thought, well, that's been true from the very beginning.
But this seems, I think even it looks like it's torturing him in some way.
He's vacillating more than usual.
And you go back to the beginning of this term as president when he sworn in after 2025, you know, he had that run in when they don't know what the F they're doing.
Remember that when he's talking about Israeli Iran relations?
And now he doesn't know.
So that's that we're really in dangerous territory.
I mean, as you mentioned, the cost of the war, the rise in energy prices, and I think reputation more than anything, just like our standing, how we perceive to negotiate, whether we're an honest broker.
I mean, that's long been held in question.
But I don't think there's any question anymore.
We can't be trusted as far as our diplomacy is concerned.
And so all of that is out the window.
NATO.
Which I don't support, by the way, because last time I checked, the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991.
So I don't think we need NATO anymore, but NATO is falling apart.
And so the entire world order and everything that's built post Cold War is disintegrating.
And this seems to be a push to accelerate that.
Well, he's the one who's doing this.
I mean, he's the one who said he's going to attack the country of a fellow NATO country.
I mean, what happens if he attacks Greenland, which is.
Technically, Denmark's territory.
We invoke the article for everybody to go to war against the attacker with that.
We attack ourselves.
A circular firing squad for NATO.
It is crazy.
And he is crazy, quite frankly.
Ty Cobb, his former lawyer, came out and said, folks, let's just accept the fact this guy is crazy and let's invoke the 25th Amendment.
I had a listener who.
Sorry, go ahead.
No, I totally agree with that.
I mean, I think that's going to talk about that on my show today.
I don't.
I don't think there's any coming back from this.
I mean, it's bad when you start hoping for a Democratic sweep of House and Senate so we can get these impeachment hearings underway and just get the investigations rolling.
The entire regime needs to be upended.
This is a terrible display of electoral consequence in this country, maybe the worst we've ever seen.
Oh, yes.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I had a listener who sent me an article that was written by a former UK ambassador.
His idea was that, look, Trump's not.
Stupid.
He knows what he's doing.
He's just incredibly narcissistic and greedy.
He's doing this to enrich himself and his donor owners and that type of thing.
And I agree with that.
You know, I mean, he's looking at it and trying to, as an ambassador, what are you going to do?
You're going to try to figure out the psychology of these people as heads of state that you're dealing with, right?
I just look at the policies.
And as I said, you know, this back and forth, the double think that you get from the MAGA cult is that, first of all, he's a 40 chess master.
Secondly, he doesn't know what's happening.
He's being deceived by the people that he picked.
To be in his own cabinet and he can't do anything about it.
It's like, well, you have to make up your mind.
It's one or the other.
And I said, for the longest time, I said, I don't think that he is stupid.
I think he's evil.
I don't think he's a genius because this guy is like a typical liar.
He can't keep his story straight and he has no respect whatsoever for other people.
That's why he keeps coming up with such absurd lies.
Like we saw during the Minnesota Ice episodes, he had the people from the New York Times in there and he was sticking to the story that he just, like Christine Ohm, they just make up a story.
Even though everybody had seen the videos of what had happened, they just make up their own story as if nobody else had seen any video and had nothing to do with what was happening there.
And they said, well, let's get out of the tape and let's watch it.
And so he sees the tape, evidently for the first time, of what happened with the shooting.
And he just changes the subject and moves on to something else, which is what he does on a day to day basis, right?
When he's finally exposed with the lies and they collapse, he just changes the topic and he goes, starts another fight somewhere else.
Yeah, it seems that this is probably his Waterloo as a narcissist, like a malignant narcissist, the likes of which we've never really seen before.
And I mean, the history of why you get the term narcissist is narcissist, you know, he fell in love with his own image looking into the river and dove in trying to embrace it and drown.
You know, like it's always, there's always a high price to pay for that sort of thinking and that sort of character.
Unfortunately, we're tied to this, like the entire country, because things had gotten so bad in our electoral politics, as you know, David, that.
The disruption that he caused was so attractive, just telling the mainstream media that they're fake news.
And even the stuff is a veteran.
I chuckled at the fact that he came out and said about John McCain.
I like people that aren't captured when he made that remark.
And I thought, well, that's so over the top.
It would have destroyed anyone else.
But people were so fed up that it was like, I'll just go, I'll hitch my wagon to this guy, just destroy this mechanism of establishment that is choking us.
He became part of it.
So now it's just this hybrid monster of establishment and narcissism and self aggrandizement and self enrichment.
And it's so disgusting.
I mean, you and I have distanced ourselves from this long, long ago.
I mean, that's right.
Yeah.
I remember looking at it and thinking, you know, well, this guy is going to be a real monkey wrench into Washington, D.C. You know, he's going to be an agent of chaos.
And he was for a short period of time.
And then what happened was he is really attached.
To these establishment figures.
He was put in there by these establishment figures.
So he became an agent of chaos to the global economy, which is really what we were focused on here with gold, isn't it?
This chaos that is unfolding on a regular basis is kind of interesting to watch him manipulate the markets.
And we've seen a lot of market manipulation in terms of big bets placed just before he makes a fake statement.
And he makes a statement to move the market in one direction, but somebody made a big bet.
On something that nobody could have seen, foreseen what he was going to say.
And then he does it again in the opposite direction.
Then he does it again.
He just keeps doing it and getting away with it.
And it turns out now that War Pete was trying to place some investments on war stocks with some people in BlackRock.
They refused to do it because they could see that this is going to be a legal quagmire mess of insider trading.
So they refused to do it.
So who knows?
Maybe he was the one who went on to these different markets.
But This is the way he's manipulating the market.
But the reality is, Tony, is that eventually the markets are reacting to everything that he is doing.
He is playing them like a fiddle.
But at some point, and we're getting there now, we just had yesterday a HAL 9000 in California said in LA, diesel is $7.79 a gallon.
The reality of what Trump is doing with this chaos program is going to be in everybody's faces.
And there's not any way that at that point in time, That he can come up with some happy story, or that the Federal Reserve can come up with some kind of a happy story, it's going to have a big effect.
And so the fundamentals that are there, the things that have been driving gold, are much stronger now.
And eventually, all of this nonsense of Trump putting stories out there, that's eventually going to be swamped by the reality of what he's actually doing.
Yeah, I believe just my analysis is this is some sort of misdirection.
I would say, on a timeline, if we were to liken it to any other time, it would be this is December of 2019.
Because if you look at the headlines coming across from Europe and coming out of places like South Korea, they're already looking at energy lockdowns, like the limitations on driving, limitations on transportation.
That's right.
So if that's the case, then this has been planned long ago.
This is the second act of that.
Of some kind.
And I think we're just seeing so much chaos and confusion go before it.
So we're trying to decipher what this means geopolitically or what the policy is here.
But perhaps all along, this is just choking off the 20% of the world's oil supply on a useless, unnecessary, unconstitutional, evil war.
And then that spills over into the rest of the economy and everything from there cascades into some sort of new.
Restriction, some sort of new control mechanism, which is going to be about energy.
I mean, clearly, there's not going to be any new energy coming online.
We're not going to start.
I mean, it'll take years, even if we started today to try to put the amount of output to even come close to where we were.
What we're like trading at $60 a barrel before this.
I mean, an ounce of silver for a while, for months, was worth more than a barrel of oil.
And so we're in uncharted territory at this.
Point, I would say, you know, as far as the economy is concerned, there is no certainty.
So everything is all over the place.
I mean, you have, I saw an article from Kitco where one of Bloomberg's analysts said, well, I think gold and silver have hit their generational peak because this is just like the 70s.
And I go, no, no, it's not.
I mean, you can look at some of the factors, I mean, just on surface level, but the debt of the U.S. was a trillion dollars in 1979.
We're 39 trillion and climbing, going about a trillion every 90 days or so.
All the metrics are completely different.
And I would say, you know, generational, that's not even close.
I mean, Turkey just sold 60 tons of gold and they just did that.
They put the gold on the market and liquidated it.
I'm assuming to use it for all sorts of other infrastructure and necessary projects to keep their country running.
That's what's happening.
Gold is being sold and bought.
By the way, this gold, if you look at what's the infrastructure that's being built, David, the most one of the most interesting things, and it's happening quietly.
Singapore, Hong Kong, they're not only building storage facilities, they're building clearance centers where sovereign nations, you know, Belt and Road Initiative, all that stuff, can start using these off ramps that are, you know, centralized to liquidate and purchase gold bullion, physical gold through the exchange.
That's the new reserve currency.
So whether the price is You know, $5,500 an ounce or $4,500 an ounce.
And if we go back down to $4,000, it doesn't matter.
That's the new world reserve currency in this chaos because trust is being diminished from the top down of the United States.
And isn't it interesting?
And that's what Trump is for.
But he's signing the, he's, he, for the first time, a president's going to sign the currency.
Yeah.
He's putting his signature on it.
So, isn't that interesting?
He's signing off on the dollar, like the decline of whatever, all that was built in the modern era, you know, since Bretton Woods is being, I mean, controlled demolition right now.
And he wants to put his face on a commemorative 24 karat gold coin.
I don't want that, by the way.
Don't put that in Wolfpack.
People always download that.
You talk about grifting.
Just a side note a lot of these places will get these one ounce silver.
Trump coins, or you know, they're not coins, they're rounds, just silver rounds, just generic.
And they'll sell them for two or three times the price.
I mean, they'll be selling for 150 an ounce, 200, whatever.
Don't buy that stuff.
I've seen that in the gun stores.
They've got laser engraved guns that have Trump's face all over it.
It's like, no, no, no, no, thank you.
And they, like you point out, they sell it at a premium because fool and his money are soon parted, right?
Well, there's it's still a demographic that is.
I think future, if there is hope, there is a future.
If future historians look back, there's just, it's going to be a strange psychological study on whatever this demographic is.
It's a certain age group.
And then Fox News viewer, they're just so tuned into it.
Like it doesn't register with them that something is wrong with what's happening.
You know, like they just can't see it.
Well, the other thing I love, first, it kind of got me angry.
You know, people looking at these wars and say, I voted for that.
I just want to say these people.
No, you didn't.
That's how stupid you are because he was saying he was going to do exactly the opposite.
So if you voted for him, you voted for exactly the opposite.
That was what he was promising at the time.
Stop this.
I voted for it.
Nonsense.
You didn't vote for any of this stuff.
He's violated all of his campaign promises as well as his oath to the Constitution.
Yeah.
I hope that they have what alcoholics refer to as a moment of clarity.
I hope that that comes soon.
It usually comes through pain, like pain at the pump and then pain at the grocery store and the fact that you have to decide between.
Your energy costs and your food.
I don't want that for anyone, by the way.
This is unnecessary that we're even here.
I mean, there's so much opportunity right now, and we're just squandering it, which, again, is the tell that this is on purpose and it's some sort of trick.
You know, when you talk about MAGA as a magician, like what Abramovich, you know, she recently said Trump is a master magician in some way, you know, and perhaps he is, at least in some people's minds.
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Well, you know, I think Buck Henry and Mel Brooks got it right back when they created Get Smart, right?
The villain guys were chaos.
And, you know, you had to get smart to stop that.
I think it's about time.
That's what we should be telling the MAGA people.
You got to get smart to stop this chaos.
It is a deliberate program of chaos.
And, you know, when you're talking about Turkey and other places liquidating their goal for this kind of a rainy day, that's exactly what Frank Nicely was trying to get the state of Tennessee to do and other states to do that.
Say, look, Rainy day is coming.
You know, this petrodollar nonsense, it's fiat currency, is going to blow up.
You need to have some way to keep the state government going.
And so let's start to accumulate gold that we can then keep for that rainy day.
And yet, for individuals, we may not be able to get the state to do that, but individuals still have the ability to do that.
Well, absolutely.
I mean, you can still, and I think this will be for a long time to come, you can still be your own bank.
Yeah.
You know, thanks to Gerald Ford, 1974.
I mean, it was illegal to own gold as an American from 33 to 1974.
And those who took advantage of that have done really well.
I mean, even if you started buying gold in the last three years, you've done really well and you will do well in the next 20.
It's not going away.
Gold is money.
It's replacing the system.
And it's just, it's funny.
It's like it's going back.
Everything's fine.
Like water finds its level.
This experiment that we started in 71 of the fiat currency, and of course, we had the run with the petrodollar.
That's over.
The oil petrodollar system is collapsing.
So, everything that was built after 74, there's a lot of fake there.
I mean, that's why we have a $39 trillion deficit, and then I don't know how many hundreds of trillions of unfunded liabilities, all these promises that were made that can't be kept.
It's the reason that things don't run the way they're supposed to.
There's It's not based off of any sort of measurement of reality.
It's not sound.
It's unsound.
And so you get unsound things when you don't have sound money.
So that's all coming apart.
But the rest of the world, they've already moved on.
When you look at BRICS, whatever that is to the financial networks, whatever they think BRICS is, which is Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, and then all these other periphery nations, they've departed long ago and they're building the infrastructure.
That's, I think, the most.
One of the most interesting stories, if you really follow the headlines outside of the mainstream, is that the infrastructure for the new system built on gold is already being built.
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Yeah, in terms of the petrodollar, I mean, the fact is that when that was put together, we were one of the big customers because we were doing a lot of manufacturing.
And so we were using more than we were producing in terms of oil and things like that.
Now it's China that's in that position.
They're doing most of the manufacturing and they're having to import oil.
And so the Saudis have turned towards China.
Iran is kicked out of the system that we set up.
So they're going to start tolling these oil tankers in terms of Chinese yuan because they have to.
But that is a direct assault to the petrodollar.
So what does Trump do in response to all this stuff?
He goes, well, the leader of Saudi Arabia is going to have to kiss my ass.
It's just amazing.
He couldn't, it has to be deliberate.
Stupid and that destructive and that chaotic without it actually being deliberate, I think.
Yeah, we're hitched on to a very wild ride.
The decline, it reminds me, you know, there was this phase in MacArthur's life, Douglas MacArthur, you know, he'd been Viceroy of Japan post World War II.
And, you know, the start of the Korean War, and I'm sure you know this history, he was in his 70s, you know, it was like early 70s.
And he had this moment.
And if you, William Manchester, who wrote the biography on him called American Caesar, it opens up and it talks about how, His character split like a nuclear reactor, like he had a fissure and like he is whatever happened, it imploded and he destroyed himself by being so arrogant.
Like his everything he built is this mythos of himself.
You know, he made these statements like, Oh, the Chinese will never enter the war.
And if they do, then I'll drop 70 atomic weapons on mainland China.
And people like, Well, you don't even have control of that.
The president, he's trying to go above Truman's head.
So this really got to him.
And it just reminds me of that, like, whatever that phase in life.
You know, Trump seems to have hit that.
And unfortunately, he's president.
Like, we're tied to this.
Can you imagine?
I mean, just, just, I mean, without even being critical of like politically to celebrate Robert Mueller's death.
Yeah.
I think publicly as the leader of the so called free world.
I mean, that's bothersome.
There's no precedent for that.
I don't, I can't look back through history and see anybody who really had any of that sort of power.
Using that kind of language publicly.
I mean, obviously, there is private, there's the Nixon tapes and things, but you're talking about public statements.
Yeah.
I said when he said that, Tony, I said, well, he's just written his own quote unquote eulogy.
You know, that's basically what people say about him.
You know, when he dies, I'm sure people are going to bring back that line and say, I'm glad he's dead.
Now he can no longer hurt innocent people.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We have an eternity to quote Gladiator, right?
We have things we do echo in eternity.
Yeah, we have a BS artist who's running loose in a China shop.
It's nothing but pure bull that he's doing there.
Well, we have a Kitco article here say gold is behaving like a risk asset in 2026, but the de dollarization trend will drive further gains.
That's a quote from HSBC analysts who are looking at this.
And I think that is the case.
We're going to see Biden really kicked off this move away from the petrodollar by using the system as a weapon.
Trump has poured that into overdrive.
He's turned that whole process up to 11 on the amp that goes from 1 to 10.
He's got up at 11.
He is accelerating all this chaos.
And of course, we said that was what was going to happen.
You know, we're getting close to the end of the fourth turning, and they got to bring somebody in who is going to really accelerate everything very rapidly.
That's why they picked Trump and put him in power.
That's got to be the reason.
It's the only apparent thing that's happening.
It's only that explains it, really.
And it's short sighted.
You're going off metrics as far as price.
This same thing with Bitcoin or whatever.
But did you look at the number go up philosophy?
Well, if it's a time of crisis and there's war on the horizon, why isn't gold 6,000 an ounce or all of that?
Well, we mentioned this last week when we talked.
I mean, it's doing gold is liquid, it's very easy to liquidate.
That's the reason that it serves such a good function as money.
And the system that's set up for that now has done a really good job.
I mean, Turkey, again, moved about 60 tons of gold, about $8 billion off of their balance sheet to pay for some things, a rainy day fund to keep things moving.
That's what it did in the face of all this with oil going to $120 a barrel.
And that's what's happening.
All these countries, entities using their gold reserves either to pivot and get into oil because.
Why wouldn't you?
I mean, if you look, it's not going to get better anytime soon.
The price is only going to go up for oil, which is bad for everybody else.
But that's what the price dips reflect to me liquidity in the face of crisis.
And if you just wait long enough, it's like that.
I think it comes from Sun Tzu, it's a meditation.
If you sit by the river long enough, the body of your enemy will float by.
Just be patient with this stuff.
People that are so focused on price, which I'm not, by the way, I get up, I wish it would just stabilize.
I hope it, I wish it just stayed put for a little while.
That would be great because I wouldn't have to have the mental gymnastics that I do every single day to try to figure out how to run my businesses.
But In the face of crisis, I think gold and silver have done remarkably well and they're going to do well in the future.
It's just don't get caught up on the short term price projections, they are so myopic.
And it doesn't make any sense that you would say, well, it's generational.
This is the peak.
It's not the peak.
We're just getting started.
You talked about Sun Xu.
And of course, there's a lot of memes that you'll see all over social media Don Xu, where they have Trump as a Chinese philosopher and going over these.
Garbage.
I forget too.
And I think that you haven't mentioned before that you don't like Sun Tzu quotes.
I forget.
Was it that you get tired of them or so?
I forgot.
It's good.
I know that.
It's okay.
Yeah, I've never studied the guy actually, but everybody else apparently has.
And I get a kick out of the Don Shu quotes that are out there.
But Reuters is saying gold rises over 3% this week, but it's on track for the worst month since 2008.
Worst in what sense?
Worse compared to the dollar that is just based on hopium.
And that is the The crazy thing that is there, I think.
And again, before I go into Iraq in 2003, gold was about $300 an ounce.
So if I had just bought gold this whole time, instead of saving dollars, I had a savings account and I was 23.
So I bought my first gold going into the spring of 2003 is when I bought my first physical gold.
And I bought it from the wrong company because I bought one of those 1 800 numbers on talk radio.
And they really got me.
That doesn't happen to my customers, but they got me because I didn't know what I was doing.
But yeah, that is an interesting comparison.
It's had its worst week or worst month.
Well, and you're right.
Compared to what?
I mean, what is the price of gold right now compared to the strength of the dollar?
I mean, what's it done over the last 20 years?
That's right.
Yeah, there's a lot of just transient noise that is out there.
And, you know, we're talking about people using it for liquidity, people like Turkey, but imagine the Gulf states.
You know, they've got to have a lot of gold, and you know that they're looking at this and saying, well, Our income is taking a massive hit, right?
And not only that, we've had our facilities have been destroyed.
We're going to have to now, even though our income is down, we're going to have to rebuild this stuff.
Where are we going to get that money from?
Well, they're going to start selling their gold.
That's what we're seeing as part of this.
But I'd say on the horizon, there's something very hopeful, Tony.
I just showed yesterday the library that Trump is going to be building.
And of course, if it's real gold, he's going to be getting more gold than a central bank in order to build these monuments to himself.
He's got to.
30 foot gold statue that he wants to build of himself and gold all over the skyscraper.
So that's the hopeful future there, right?
Oh, would it really surprise you if the MAGA cult started building a pyramid to make his mausoleum, you know, modern day?
Would it really surprise you?
I thought Shannon Joy had the best.
That's right.
Shannon Joy had the best quote.
She sees this skyscraper with a big needle on the top of it.
She said, Isn't it fitting that Vax Daddies think something looks like a giant syringe?
That's right.
Oh, that was great.
But it is crazy times that we're living in right now.
But when I look at this, my take on all this is like, hey, it's on sale.
I look at it as a good time to buy when gold is down because the fundamentals have not changed and we are fundamentally screwed.
So you need to prepare for this rainy day that's coming for each and every one of us, right?
It certainly does appear that way.
If you look at the metrics of what the role that gold is going to play in the next 10, 20, 30 years, I don't think you need to worry about price because the role that the dollar is going to play has a big question mark over it.
And I don't think the dollar is going to zero, but I do think it's going to digital.
I think this is part of the controlled demolition, creative destruction.
This is part of that chaos that ushers in the problem reaction solution.
They create the problem, we have the reaction, they already have the solution.
Here it is it's this new digitized off ramp system, stable coin, public private partnership thing.
Whatever that is, at least that's the plan.
That doesn't mean that's how it's going to go.
Because again, all my intel and everything that I see is the world's ramping up to use gold as a metric of storage of value, physical, because we live in a post trust era.
This is not 1945 anymore.
This is not the liberal world order or whatever Biden talked about.
That is being scuttled.
This is being destroyed, and it's something else that is going to take its place.
And I do think the opportunity here for people that are paying attention is to realize that one, all of these plans, that doesn't mean that they actually succeed.
What was the plan of COVID 1984?
Really, what was that?
Was it a test?
Did they think that they were going to get more out of it than they did?
Did they do a hurry up offense on the great reset?
It's an unknown, but they certainly are doing something again.
It's this, this is an extension of COVID in some way.
And that's another attempt.
Again, the world moves in different directions.
It's hard to control that.
And I think the people at Davos and the Klaus Schwabian types, they definitely want to have that top down control grid.
You know, even the bank, we've talked about this for years, but the Bank of International Settlements, you know, having a clearinghouse of some, you know, all the electronic tokens and the Unicoin.
From the IMF, all of that is the plan.
That's the blueprint.
But is it reality?
Because the world keeps going back to what worked before this system.
And I think that's probably what's going to be the big battle ahead what's real, what's fake, what truly has value?
That's what's coming undone, I think, in this next one to five years.
I agree.
I agree.
And when you look at how Trump is ramping up the surveillance state, the police state, Artificial intelligence and how they're putting in digital ID in the name of protecting kids and everything.
You know, they'll always come up with some kind of a MacGuffin, but it's always heading in the same direction.
You know, whether you're talking about climate change, well, we need to have some kind of a way to track everybody's energy usage and how much food they consume and how much they travel and so forth.
So we got to have some way to track everything.
Or you talk about a pandemic, well, we got to have a way to track people's movements and whether or not they've been vaccinated.
It's always about tracking and surveillance.
And we keep seeing these things come back.
All of those things are going to push people towards a system that is physical as much as possible, that is outside of this digital system.
Because the digital system is people are rapidly coming to the understanding of what this thing has been set up for.
It really is a net, it really is a web to trap us.
And people are going to try to increasingly get outside of this in any way they can.
That physical reality is another thing that people are going to be looking for.
Economic Warfare and Platinum Discovery00:11:21
I got a couple of questions here.
For you, Tony.
This is from Jason Barker.
He says Has Tony considered adding other metals like platinum to wolf packs as things get harder to source?
I actually have.
I've talked to Yucca about that and thought about it.
And I'd like to know from the audience.
You guys want to write me if you are a Wolfpack member, if you'd like to see platinum, let me know.
I think that's one of the metals that it doesn't get enough play.
As a matter of fact, I don't pay enough attention to platinum because I get so focused on the gold and silver movement through the shop.
And then I'll look up and for years, platinum was always right under a thousand.
It's double.
And it's like, when did that happen?
You know, platinum just all of a sudden just had its moment.
And I think it finally caught up.
And I think what's part of it is the paper markets that were destroyed.
And believe me, they were.
I mean, and we still got a long way to go, but the entire paper system of contracts that happened after the tariff announcement at the beginning of 25 affected everything.
And it started to affect platinum.
Which is, again, it's a precious metal.
It's rare.
So platinum has a lot of usage, too, outside of just being a monetary metal, you know, the catalytic converters and other electronic components and other things like that.
So, yeah, I think platinum would be a good play, especially in small quantities.
And it's the same as, you know, gold and silver is being liquid.
So, as far as being able to turn in and recognizable, platinum would be a good, I think, a good store of value.
I may do that.
It's so expensive per ounce if you can get really.
Tiny piece of it, you got to be careful about it, I guess.
But Angry Tigers also got a comment here.
Angry Tigers, Danny says they're buying opportunities right now.
Gold will go down a little bit because of margin calls.
People need liquidity and they'll use gold for that.
I agree.
And that is even countries are going to be looking for that.
I think the Gulf states are a real driver of that.
I think the truth is going to come out eventually that they are big.
They're trying to liquidate.
What else are they going to do?
I mean, they don't have much there except for their oil generation.
We take away their income stream.
They're going to start liquidating wealth.
And I imagine these people got a lot of gold.
Which I think is, again, it's a buying opportunity because if you look at the long term metrics, everything here checks out that the world's going to use more gold, not less.
There's going to be more storage of it, not less.
And that will increase the price.
And then, especially when you look at what's going to happen to the dollar, there's so much, it makes me chuckle when they have these commentators who will say, well, you know, we got these interest rates and they're going to stay put.
For a while.
It looks like there's not going to be a lot of interest rate movements.
Yes, there will be.
They're going to lower rates.
They're going to, it's going to be what Larry Lepard calls the big print.
They have to do one.
I mean, it's, we're.
Oh, they've already started.
They've already started creating money.
I saw an article about that the other day.
They said this is, you know, they've started ramping it up quietly.
Nobody's talking about this because it's got the war that's happening.
They're exactly right.
It's not only the war, but I think as we get closer to the midterms, and perhaps politics isn't even real anymore.
Perhaps this is all just a show.
And I'm open to that possibility.
It's hard to even cover politics anymore.
It seems so fake.
But at the end of the day, we do have the midterms coming up.
You know, it's always the, you know, James Carville is the economy stupid, you know, at the end of the day.
I think they may try to do something that looks like we're.
Just doing great, and the market always responds to cheap debt and liquidity and fake entering the system.
It always props up that euphoria or whatever you see in the markets.
They always respond.
So I think we probably will see some sort of announcement on some big cash injection, maybe not the big print just yet, but it's coming.
I mean, they're going to look at the unfunded liabilities and everything that we have to take care of, all the deficits that we're running.
Even if you get Palantir to audit everybody, you still can't extract enough to pay the bills.
Isn't it like we pay a trillion just to service the interest on the debt at this point a year?
And I mean, all these numbers are absolutely unsustainable as far as.
Which is another reason why they're going to force the interest rates to go lower, even in the face of inflation.
They're looking at it and saying they're going to get into this stagflation thing, just as we saw in the 1970s.
With the OPEC oil embargo.
As I said from the very beginning, this is much, much bigger because this is 20% of the world's supply.
The OPEC embargo was like 15% of the U.S. supply.
And that became because of global markets that percolated through for everybody.
And this whole idea that the Strait of Hormuz is Europe's problem and they need to solve it, it's just idiotic beyond belief.
We all participate in a global market just from the standpoint that even though They're pulling the oil or gas out of the ground here in the United States.
They still have an opportunity to sell it to somebody in another part of the world at a much higher price.
That's where it's going to go.
And so we're going to have to compete against that in order to keep it here.
That's why domestic prices are going to go up.
It doesn't matter if we are net producers of oil and gas.
This is part of the flaw of Trump's perspective on the trade deficit as he ignores the budget deficit.
But the budget deficit and all this interest rate stuff, that's going to come back and hit us.
And we were only about a month into this thing.
We've already seen prices of fuel go up very rapidly, but it's going to continue to percolate through the entire economy.
Everything.
It's like a value added tax.
And we haven't seen the secondary and tertiary effects of this yet, but we're going to see it.
And we're going to see big inflation that's going to be there.
That's why it's early days and why nothing has stabilized yet.
We haven't really seen the moves that are going to be coming, I think, in gold and silver or anything else.
Yeah.
Food, you name it.
Yeah.
Food, everything.
And, you know, it's sad, David.
When I ran for Congress, it's 13 years ago.
And I remember sparingly using the phrase America first, because I remember, you know, I'd read history and I understood there was dynamite in that phrase.
That was almost, it was forbidden.
Like you weren't even really supposed to say that.
It had all these connotations of anti Semitism and racism and xenophobia and all this stuff that I didn't, I wasn't clearly wasn't animated by those things.
I was animated by the principles.
Of having a republic and prosperity and freedom.
And it's sad when you have the Iranian president writing an open letter to Americans saying, asking, is this America first?
Like using that phrase by the Iranian president because we have such a funhouse mirror version of that now.
And part of what's being destroyed is not only the liberal world order and the financial system that we built post World War II and all that peace dividend.
But our national politics, too, David, are being destroyed.
Like, we've made all of these arguments that, you know, for nationalism and things that would have worked.
We're making those things unacceptable again, but we're burying them.
Like Khrushchev said, you know, about what communism was going to do to the West, and we will bury you.
We're being buried under whatever the hell this thing is.
And I think if you look at the markets and you're judging, Prices, or you're judging reality based off the past, you're already wrong.
I'm wrong because I have to do that.
Like my mind does.
Human beings do pattern recognition, but I look at this and I say, I don't know.
But I do know that whatever's happening in the future is not going to be based off of what was done in the last 50 years.
It's going to be a new system, new pricing models.
What we are, ladies and gentlemen, we're in price discovery.
That's what we are.
We're in reality discovery at this point.
This is something that it's not going to be over in a week.
I hope it is.
I hope I'm wrong.
I hope that this goes away and that maybe we can go back to some sort of normalcy.
But we haven't been normal for years and years.
So is it any surprise that we, Reach some fresh new nightmare that's being thrust upon us.
Well, you know, Trump, I haven't played the clip yet, but I've got a clip here of Trump saying, you know, we can't be bothered with what's happening in America.
We've got wars to fight.
I mean, it's even his priority now.
And the thing that is so concerning about this is that people don't really seem to understand that this isn't even an asymmetric war that Iran is fighting, this is an asymmetric economic war.
This is really economic warfare that they're conducting.
They just need to hang on and keep firing missiles, and they're doing that, and keep Trump hooked into the tar baby.
And as long as they do that, they can do economic warfare against us.
And that's really what is happening right now.
And that's just getting started.
It truly is going to be something that is huge in terms of economics.
And they don't need to.
Deliver nuclear weapons to everybody, they can weaponize the economy by just shutting that stuff down.
Or if he goes in and decides that he's going to try to bomb them back into the Stone Age, they do the same thing to the other countries that are there.
And then what that's going to do is going to bomb the entire world back into the Stone Age.
That's exactly right.
Yeah.
There's really no, once you've started this, there's almost no good play.
And you can't, are you gonna take out Iran?
You're gonna use what are you gonna put, you know, three or 400,000 ground troops in to secure that country?
What's three times the size of Iraq?
I mean, it's madness.
And that's the only thing that can really describe it.
Other than that, it's a plan to use it as a backdrop excuse for more social control, you know, more top down change, just like COVID was.
And, you know, as far as like, there is no victory here.
And you're right, the Iranians, they don't have to have a nuclear weapon.
To take down the West, they just don't surrender.
If you don't negotiate, you don't surrender, and you just stay there and you just this ice, you know, this thorn, this ice horn that you can't get rid of on the face of the American empire, you weaken not only our standing, but the entire economic system and the petrodollar.
All that is on the docket for destruction.
And so I'm with you, David.
Lincoln, Tyrants, and Decentralization00:03:44
I think this is not good news all the way around.
Like Gertrude said, you're either hammer or anvil.
I think we're the hammer, they're the anvil, and they can take the blows, and they're just.
They're going to keep doing it.
And what is going to happen is it's going to be this massive economic warfare.
So, how do you prepare for economic warfare?
Again, I think it is getting real and getting real gold and real silver physically in your hands.
That's about the best thing that we can do to prepare.
It's going to be a difficult time for everybody, but I really do believe that personally.
And so, do your own research, but that's the way I see it.
I got to call it the way I see it.
And so, thank you so much, Tony, for coming on.
Is there anything you want to tell us about Wise Wolf that right now is changing besides the world?
Well, nothing is really changing.
But we live those principles here at Wise Wolf and Wolfpack.
I mean, this is what we do.
And we are building more infrastructure to be able to serve people, whether you're buying or getting into the market, you need to liquidate.
We serve both of those functions.
That will be our raison d'etre, if you will, in the next 10 or 20 years.
And hopefully, I'm still around for that until Palantir comes and sweeps my company away.
But I think it's a good feeling when you say you have a transaction with someone.
Maybe they come and work on your AC and you hand them a 10th ounce Gold Eagle.
There was no banks involved.
And I did that with my locksmith.
You know, my locksmith came over here in North Texas and put some new deadbolts in for me and a magnet lock on my front door for security.
And he got paid in a gold eagle.
You know, that's the kind of transactions I think will happen more and more in the future.
I agree.
Not only with that, but things like Bitcoin too, but that physical transaction outside of the system, decentralized, it reminds me of what I'm sure America was like, you know, 100 plus years ago.
Yeah, I agree.
Absolutely.
Yeah, that was.
As they're pointing out, you know, we haven't had a president write his signature on the thing, you know, since 1861 when they started doing the paper stuff.
It's like, yeah, go back and look at Lincoln, and we got somebody even worse than Lincoln now.
It's, it truly is amazing to see what is happening.
Lincoln was a thoughtful tyrant.
I mean, he wrote the Gettysburg Address.
I mean, you imagine, you know, it's funny.
I studied Trump for years before he ever ran for office, and I was always intrigued, you know, the art of the deal.
And there was one book.
That he wrote called Think Like a Champion.
Somebody got it as a gift for me in 2009.
And if you open that book, and I, David, I remember this.
It's been years, but I remember the opening chapter was not, it's not, obviously, it's not Trump talking.
It's the ghostwriter, but he probably had a say in it.
But he was like, one of the main things that he was optimistic about, even in the face of the 2009 downturn and the housing crisis, was at least oil's at $40 a barrel.
He's like, that gives us a chance to work our way out of this.
I remember that book, and it came to mind the other day when he's just willy nilly, you know, taking oil to $120 a barrel and who knows where else, you know.
So that's the opposite play.
We're clearly, yeah, we might have had a tyrant in Lincoln, but at least he was thoughtful.
Could have been worse.
It could be worse.
It could be like the embargo.
So now we got the Trump oil embargo to take place of OPEC.
Protecting the Common Man's Dignity00:01:51
It is truly amazing what we look at.
How this is shaking out.
Thank you so much for joining us, Tony.
I appreciate your support of this program.
Again, go to davidknight.gold.
That'll let Tony know that you came to him through us and really do appreciate what you do and what you're offering there in terms of that unique service, allowing people to dollar cost average the savings that they put into physical gold and silver to get outside of this system as a hedge against this asymmetric economic warfare.
Thank you so much, Tony.
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
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