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	In a world of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
	It's the David Knight Show.
	the world was God.
	All things were made made through him in him was out the world of world.
	In the big king was the world, the word with God.
	The world was gone, burning made burn and through him.
	In him was life, the light of man, The true light came to the world if you not hear the Father's own Son.
	We've seen His glory see His grace
	Though he was in for God, He kept us back.
	He could not take, but took the fall of Him with this to die for us.
	In you mumble King, Obey to death and from the cross.
	Now God has praised His name on high, the name above all.
	I, Jesus has the name Jesus in heaven and earth.
	All right, welcome back.
	And joining us now is Matt Trahelle.
	He's a pastor out of Wisconsin, I believe it is.
	Is that right, Matt?
	I think that's right.
	And I really appreciate what Matt has done.
	And he's done a great job in terms of making the point.
	He's got a book, a very well-selling book, and it's a very quick read and it's really packed with information.
	Not that it's difficult to understand.
	It's not dense in that sense, but it is dense in terms of the richness that it conveys in a very small book that's easy to read.
	And he talks about it from a Christian perspective and even from a historical perspective.
	Even pagan Romans understood what we no longer understand in this country, and that is that there are higher moral laws.
	And we've had this discussion recently about should you follow illegal orders?
	I don't know why that's a controversy, but the fact that it is a controversy shows just how much we need this book from Matt.
	It's called The Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate.
	And how do we control that?
	We have the people at the top that have gone bad.
	And you can find that at defytyrants.com.
	Is that the website, Matt?
	I'm just going from memory here.
	I should have it in front of me.
	Okay, defytyrants.com.
	And so I would highly recommend that you get that book and read it.
	It's a small paperback.
	It's a great handout to law enforcement and other people.
	That's the way Matt has used it.
	But I've had him on several times.
	And Ryan, with For Love of the Road, sent us an email and said, you know, I've seen Matt on many times.
	And then I looked him up, looked up his background.
	And he said, I think it might be interesting if he gave us his testimony.
	And so, Matt, you said you're willing to do that.
	Let us know how did you become a pastor?
	What was life like for you before you became a pastor?
	Yeah, let me begin by saying I have a website where I wrote out my testimony, what Christ did in my life.
	I was 17 years old, nearly 18 when it all transpired.
	But I go into my life early on, and the website is howjesuschangedmylife.com.
	And I got that website prize six years ago.
	You would have thought that URL would have already been taken, but it wasn't.
	And so I got it for $2.99, how JesusChangedMyLife.com.
	And also, Pacific Garden Mission has a show called Unshackled.
	It's on in over 50 countries around the world.
	And they also did a radio dramatization of my conversion to Christ.
	Wow.
	And I also have the testimony of my mom.
	I did a short sermon about my mom.
	She was the first one in our family to come to Christ.
	And that's also at that website, howjesuschangedmyLife.com.
	So I grew up in the city of Detroit, Michigan.
	I was born in 1960.
	And while I was living there, a transformation was taking place in the neighborhood.
	Busing started in 1973, I think it was.
	There was all kinds of racial tension within the city.
	And where I grew up, I was a minority.
	So very different.
	I live in a country that the macriculture, I'm in the majority, but where I lived, I was in the minority.
	And so what ended up happening was, as a young man, I got involved in drugs.
	And I never saw the reason to buy drugs when you could sell them and make a lot more money.
	At the age of 15, I began to deal drugs and then had all of the free drugs you wanted on top of that.
	And then I got involved more with the bad crowd, you know, stealing cars, robbing people, fighting other gangs, burning down buildings.
	These were all things that were part of my life.
	My dad had left when I was 11 years old on Christmas Eve.
	He left my mom, and that had a huge transformation in life at our house.
	And so I can't emphasize strongly enough how important it is for men to be in the home, for there to be fathers in the home.
	It has a huge impact.
	All the studies that have been done, David, show the negative impact upon sons and daughters when the man is no longer in the home.
	And unfortunately, by the time your average American turns 18 in America, more than half of them aren't living with their biological mother and their biological father.
	That's how broken down family is in America.
	Imprisonment, drug use, crime, all this type of stuff becomes far more prevalent in young men when there isn't a father in the home.
	And as I said, every statistic proves that.
	It was true in my life.
	And so I was living that life.
	And all of a sudden, my mom threw me out of the house when I was 14 for dealing dope.
	And I went to live with my dad.
	He still lived in Detroit also and didn't have anywhere else to go.
	And he let me stay there for six months.
	And then after six months, he threw me out of his house.
	So I wasn't doing good there.
	And so I decided I'm going to go back and see if my mom will take me in.
	And I remember we hadn't seen each other during that six months while I lived with my dad.
	And I remember standing outside her home.
	And I was just a punk, you know, and I was thinking, man, I got to go in here and put up with her mouth and all this.
	And I didn't really want to knock on the door, but I didn't have anywhere else to go.
	I'm 15 now.
	And so I finally walked up and I knocked on the door and my mom opened it.
	And she actually smiled when she saw me and was so surprised.
	She said, Matt, come on in.
	I got to tell you what happened to me.
	And I was like, wow, okay.
	So I came in, I sat down on the couch, and she started sharing with me how Jesus has come into her life, forgiven of all her sins, how she's flushed all her pills down the toilet.
	And she's a new creature in Christ.
	And I sat there and looked at my mom, and I was like, I knew something.
	This was not the same woman I knew six months earlier.
	Something dramatic had definitely taken place in her life.
	Understand, my mom was always on psych drugs after the divorce, you know, four years earlier.
	It was such a huge impact on her, David, that she had a nervous breakdown and ended up in a psych ward for four months.
	Our grandparents actually came over and took care of us at the house while she was in the hospital.
	And she tried all kinds of things after that to find peace, to find happiness.
	She tried silver mind control.
	She tried men, you know, tried everything that the world tells you to find fulfillment in and peace and those types of things.
	And never.
	And so she was on these psych dregs to control her mood swings.
	Well, lo and behold, after I had left, she found out that my godmother, I was raised Catholic.
	My godmother, who was an alcoholic and had ruined her life, was put into a mental hospital.
	Three women came in, prayed over her, and God restored her mind and she submitted her life to Christ and was radically transformed.
	So this news is all going around in the family that Vale, that was the name of my godmother, has radically changed her life and she isn't drinking anymore.
	And she's out of the mental hospital.
	So my mom calls her up and wants to meet with her because my mom's life is all messed up.
	So whatever happened to you, I want that to happen to me.
	And my mom told me as I sat there on the couch that Val came over and they met at the dining room table and she asked her point blank, she said, how did you change?
	Who's your counselor?
	Because my mom was always going to this counselor and another counselor and another counselor.
	And my godmother didn't want to tell my mom that it was Jesus who changed her life because she had been telling everybody that since she got out of the mental hospital.
	And they were all like, okay, you know, well, that's good for you.
	You needed that, you know, and things like that.
	So she didn't want to tell my mom because of the negative response and kind of mocking response she had gotten from various people.
	But my mom kept begging her and saying, who's your counselor?
	Come on, seriously, who's your counselor?
	And finally, she just looked at my mom and said, there is no counselor in human form, Annie.
	Jesus Christ has radically transformed my life.
	And he's healed me.
	He's forgiven me of my sins.
	Radically transformed my life.
	And my mom said she sat there and she was just like, I looked at her and I said, you're joking.
	My godmother said, I'm not joking.
	And so she took my mom.
	I don't know if you remember back then, David, there was a huge revival taking place.
	A lot of Roman Catholics were being converted to Christ.
	And there was the Catholic Charismatic movement.
	She took my mom to that.
	And my mom was totally turned off by it.
	But she went back a second time, and she was completely transformed by the power of God and had become a new Christian, flushed all her pills down the toilet, and was beginning this walk with the Lord.
	So she was the first one in our family to come to Christ.
	And when I sat there and I listened to all this from her and she let me come back in her home, lo and behold, she gave me a book to read.
	She said, I want you to read this book.
	It's called The Cross and the Switchblade by David Wilkerson, who, of course, was the man who started Teen Challenge, which is an international organization meant to help young people who were caught up in gangs and drugs.
	And he was a country preacher from Pennsylvania.
	God called him to New York City and he went and preached amongst the gangs.
	Nikki Cruz was his first convert.
	Huge transformation.
	So I started reading this book, right?
	The cross and the switchblade.
	First 40, 50 pages, a lot of gang stuff.
	Okay, that holds my interest.
	And more of this Jesus stuff coming in, and I was just like, nah, so I threw the book aside after 40, 50 pages.
	So now another two and a half years go by.
	Matt Chuela keeps living in rebellion to God.
	My life keeps going down like this.
	And I could tell you 100 stories, and I have some of them in that at the website where I share my story, how JesusChangedMyLife.com.
	But lo and behold, I ended up getting arrested for arson.
	And I got put into the county jail because they decided, even though I was a minor, 17 years old, they were going to try me as an adult because of the seriousness of the crime.
	And so I went in, and over the weekend, I got stuck in a holding cell with two black guys.
	One was 40-something.
	He was in there for child molesting.
	The other guy was 19.
	He was in there for armed robbery.
	I was 17.
	All three of us knew a little bit about God.
	The old guy was raised in a Christian home.
	The young guy, his dad, was actually a deacon in a Baptist church.
	And of course, my mom had come to know Christ.
	If I could ever replay those videos, like when we get to heaven, David, I'd love to see three dumb pagans talking about God.
	And I don't know where they were at, but I had a serious interest.
	I saw my life was in utter ruin.
	And so lo and behold, I spent those two days with them talking about, we all talked about God almost the whole time.
	Kind of reminds me, Matt.
	You know, we're talking about, it kind of reminds me of the story about, you know, a blind man and you sit in next to an elephant and he's like feeling around and trying to describe what this thing is that he's never seen before.
	Yeah.
	It's got this really little trunker.
	But yeah, that's kind of what it was like, I guess.
	So the elephant in the room, right?
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	The elephant in the room was Christ.
	Absolutely.
	Yeah.
	So I was going through withdrawal.
	I was all messed up on drugs.
	And we happened to be right where they had service.
	We couldn't go to it.
	There was a guy in a suit who came by, and the one guy asked him for something to read.
	Of course, he brought us all Bibles.
	When I read the Bible, David, I didn't feel any pain or suffering from the withdrawal I was going through.
	Set the Bible down after a half hour.
	I'd start feeling all the illness and sickness again.
	And so finally, on Monday, I get taken to the cell block.
	There's nine guys to each cell.
	And I walk in, and this guy walks up to me, and he says, We have two rules in this cell: there's no fights.
	And if you start a fight, number two, if you start a fight, we all jump on you.
	And I looked around the room, and I was the smallest guy there.
	And I looked at him and I said, I like these rules.
	And he showed me where my bunk was.
	So I went and climbed up on it, and there's a cement wall with a shelf, a metal shelf on it.
	And there's one book sitting on it.
	And it was The Cross and the Switchblade by David Wilkerson.
	So here, two and a half years have gone by.
	And I picked that book up.
	I spent the next three days finishing the book, reading it.
	I had just put it down two minutes earlier, and my probation officer comes in.
	She takes me out in this side room to meet with me.
	She goes, Yeah, this is the sentence you're looking at.
	And we're going to try to get you into a live-in drug rehab program for a year to begin with.
	Off all these drugs.
	And she goes, The program that we're looking to get you into is called Teen Challenge.
	So I had just put the book down.
	That was the story about how this organization started.
	Yeah.
	And now here's this lady, my probation officer, saying, We're going to try to get you to teen challenge.
	And that's exactly what happened.
	I ended up in teen challenge.
	The courts put me there.
	I was sentenced to three years.
	I had to spend the first year in a drug rehab program.
	Move over here because the sun's moving.
	And so I went to church the first Sunday after I was taken there.
	And it was an Assembly of God church called Brightmoor Tabernacle on the west side of Detroit.
	So when I walked in, there's probably a thousand people there.
	And people are walking up to me saying how glad they are to see me.
	And I could tell they actually were glad to see me.
	It wasn't like they were glad to see me just because I had a joint to smoke or something like that.
	No, they were glad to see me because I was there.
	So then we walk into the sanctuary and everyone's talking, which for me was odd because being raised Catholic, it's like shh, pin drop.
	Nobody ever says anything and it's quiet.
	And I was looking around thinking, these people all act like they're getting ready to see a movie or something.
	They're all talking.
	And then a lady came out and she sat down at the piano and started playing.
	And people began to worship the Lord.
	And they weren't mumbling under their breath like I was used to when I was a kid at the Catholic Church.
	They were actually worshiping him with their heart.
	You could tell they really believe in him.
	They love him.
	And it was astounding.
	And during the first worship song, as they're worshiping, all of a sudden I began to feel odd inside David.
	And I thought like I was going to cry.
	I didn't want anyone to see that.
	So I sat down in my pew and I put my face into my hands.
	And for the first time in my life, I sat there and I felt really bad for all the sins I had committed, all the bad things I had done.
	And what it was was the Holy Spirit convicting me of my sin, showing me that I was a sinner in need of a Savior, namely Jesus Christ.
	And so while I'm being convicted of my sin, at the exact same time, I'm tasting his love and his holiness.
	And I'm astounded.
	God actually loves me.
	I didn't even love myself.
	I didn't even think my mother loved me.
	God loves me.
	I remember that being the overriding thing.
	I sat in that pew with my face in my hands for an hour and a half and wept the entire time.
	I remember I looked up one time and people were just staring at me like, are you okay?
	And at the end, they had an altar call and they invited people to come up if they wanted to give their life to Christ.
	I didn't even go up.
	I already knew he had changed me, radically transformed me by the power of his Holy Spirit.
	And so I decided at that time forward that I would live for him.
	And that's what's happened.
	And that was a long time ago.
	I'm 65 now.
	That was when I was 17.
	Wow.
	So, yeah, Christ radically transformed my life.
	Wow.
	That is a powerful testimony.
	You know, Matt, I've said for the longest time, you know, and when we see what's going on down in Venezuela, it's being justified with the war on drugs.
	And I've said for the longest time, you know, I have real issues with the government being involved in prohibition because, you know, it didn't work when they did it with alcohol, and alcohol was very harmful.
	I've said many times I would have supported that had I been back then because it was so harmful.
	It's like, yeah, let's try it.
	And they did it legally.
	They actually amended the Constitution so they had the authority to do that.
	Very different situation with war on drugs.
	It was just, and I think they called it, I honestly think they called it the war on drugs because they didn't want to use the term prohibition because it had been such a failure in terms of corruption of government and due process and creating gangs and all the rest of this stuff.
	And I've said for the longest time, and I've interviewed people who were law enforcement against prohibition, they said, this is not something you're going to solve with force, with law enforcement.
	And I said, this is a spiritual issue.
	And I tell you, your testimony really underscores the fact that it is the drug war is really a spiritual war.
	And it's not something that you're going to fix with the police and the military.
	The answer to that is our society turning to Christ.
	It's what happened to you.
	And so that's really what we need to focus on.
	And we try to take these shortcuts.
	And we look at this and we say, well, we've got this big, powerful military and we've got this big, powerful police force.
	And so we've got this hammer.
	Where's a nail that we can use against this?
	And so that's how we get into these situations.
	When the reality is that that's not the solution at all.
	All it does is give us other problems that we didn't have before.
	And it does nothing to fix.
	Here we are, 54 years into the war on drugs.
	And it's only gotten worse.
	We've got more intense forms of these drugs as well.
	But that's an amazing testimony about the failure of our society and the power of Christ to really fix these things.
	Yes.
	That's amazing.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	Something along the lines of what you're talking about to just affirm what you're saying is so true is that in the 1970s, about the time I was in Teen Challenge, Detroit Teen Challenge, the Teen Challenge was actually brought under scrutiny by the federal government for fraudulent claims.
	Understand, David.
	Oh, yeah.
	This is when the government is running, the CIA is running drugs and all this and stuff.
	Do they come after Teen Challenge?
	Wow.
	They go after Teen Challenge.
	And the average cure rate for a cure is a year after you're out of the program, you're still drug-free.
	For secular programs, the average cure rate is 3 to 4%.
	96 to 97% of men and women who go into those programs are off drugs for six months a year, whatever the length of the program is, within a year are back on drugs.
	Teen Challenge was claiming to have an 84% cure rate based on that same standard, 84%.
	So the federal government decides, oh, this is terrible.
	This has to be fraud.
	And they had a commission that took over.
	And so the commission was to investigate the fraud of Teen Challenge.
	The woman who headed up the commission was a black woman.
	I forget what state she was from.
	And she wrote a book after they were done with their investigation, which went on for about a year.
	And so the way they investigated was they actually met with these people who supposedly were changed.
	That was part of their investigation to determine whether they had an 84% cure rate.
	So after it was over, the federal commission determined that Teen Challenge actually was lying.
	They did not have an 84% cure rate.
	They had an 87%.
	And the woman who headed up the commission wrote a book called The Jesus Factor.
	And her whole book, and she ended up being one to Christ from reviewing all these men who were, you know, lives were ruined by drugs and now knew Jesus.
	She wrote a book called The Jesus Factor, saying that is the overwhelming, that is why they have an 87% cure rate.
	Wow.
	So what you're saying is exactly true.
	The importance of us reaching out to people and sharing the gospel with people, pointing them to the Lord, talking to them about the things of God, because his word addresses every area of life.
	That's right.
	you can bring him into just about any discussion well it really comes back to yeah and it really comes Look at all the different problems that we've got.
	You know, the homes that are split up, which is, you know, the beginning of your problems there.
	And drugs, we have violence and we have shootings and all the rest of the stuff.
	What is the answer to all this?
	Why is this all happening?
	Because we've had these things before.
	We've had access, probably even more so to guns in the past.
	We had access to guns in schools.
	What is the difference?
	I really think it is the Jesus factor.
	That's really the issue.
	We've turned away from Christ.
	Our society is rotten at the foundation.
	And that's why everything is collapsing on us.
	And that is the solution.
	You know, you're talking about when you were talking about your relative, and you said your mom asked your relative, who's your counselor?
	And it made me think of the Messiah.
	Let's talk about your, you know?
	Yep.
	Wonderful counselor.
	Amen.
	Amen.
	Out of Isaiah.
	Yep.
	Same thing.
	Yep.
	So, you know, I talk a lot about civil government matters because most churchmen don't.
	I wrote that book that you had mentioned earlier.
	But I tell everybody everywhere I speak and where I go, there's two things we need to do.
	We need to address our government from the Word of God.
	They need to be instructed in God's thinking regarding civil realm matters.
	Yes.
	And at the same time, we need to talk about Christ and point men to Him.
	And so I have this little card that I always give out everywhere I go.
	It says, alone, arrested, in jail.
	I was living a life of emptiness, misery, robbery, arson, drugs, and hate.
	There had to be more to life than what I saw with my eyes, but what was it?
	Yeah.
	So that's kind of like to draw them in.
	And on the other side, it says, my name is Matt.
	This is my story.
	And I have a little QR code with our website, how JesusChangedMyLife.com.
	And I get correspondence, David, from both unbelievers and believers who find the cards when I leave them around.
	And you never know how God's going to use that in people's life.
	And that's something we need to do.
	It's not an either-or.
	It's not, oh, we either tell people about Jesus or we get involved in civil government things.
	God's word speaks to every area of life.
	That's right.
	And so we need to talk about both things.
	That's right.
	That's right.
	Amen.
	That's the thing, you know, when you have an amazing testimony like yours.
	I remember there was a young woman in church once.
	People were talking about their testimony.
	She said, I just grew up in church.
	I don't have anything to say.
	And she said, but then I realized one day that I realized one day that God had saved me from all those things.
	He saved me from them before I got into them.
	That's it, too.
	Amen.
	That's been the case.
	That's been the case in America before.
	God saved us before we got into those things.
	But now we're in a situation as a culture where God can save us out of those things.
	And so that's why your testimony is so important.
	Really is.
	Again, the book is Lesser Magistrate.
	And you can find it at Defy Tyrants.
	Excuse me, I'm sorry.
	Things have gotten really drough with me after I've had my stroke.
	I have so much trouble controlling my emotions.
	We're going to take a quick break.
	Thank you for having me on, David.
	Thank you.
	Appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Defy Tyrants.com.
	We'll be right back.
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	I wish I had the Christmas Night album.
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	Just say the word and I'll throw a lasso around it.
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	And then I'll buy you your own download of David Knight's Christmas night album.
	That brings us to something that Lance found that I thought was very interesting.
	Uh, And that is the brain interface transference here that is a company that is called, hang on a second, I'll get it right here.
	Brain IT.
	Brain IT is their thing.
	And they're not the only company that's doing this.
	There's a lot of different companies that are doing this.
	And let's show people what this really looks like.
	Scroll down and show, zoom in on those pictures.
	Now, there's pairs of pictures, and you'll see an image that the person is looking at.
	It says scene image.
	Right next to it is the reconstructed image.
	And look at that.
	There's a giraffe.
	And then right next to it is a giraffe.
	But the giraffe is standing in exactly the same position and same way and looked at from the same angle, looking kind of back over its shoulder.
	To be clear, the scene image is what the human is looking at.
	And then there's sensors connected to the brain that's creating the reconstructed image.
	The computer hasn't seen this scene image.
	Only the human sees this, and this is entirely constructed from a brain scan.
	That's right.
	So they can sense what you are looking at and completely reconstructed.
	And look at how identical these images are.
	Now, you've got a stop sign, and it got stop sign as well as the word stop.
	The only thing that's missing there is the four-way thing underneath it.
	It didn't quite reconstruct that exactly.
	And then when you look at the pieces of pizza, it is a little bit more orderly in the way that it put the pizza together that's there.
	But even when it gets some of the details wrong, it still has the basic orientation there.
	Scroll it up a little bit, the snowboarder that is there.
	Take a look at the snowboarder.
	So here, the basic orientation is right.
	Even though the snowboarder has one leg up, the arms are still extended and still in basically the same orientation.
	It's going down the snow with a shadow that's being cast.
	But it is truly amazing.
	Yeah, show the baseball one.
	That's another good one that's there.
	So the baseball thing, you've got three different people, and they're all basically in the same orientation.
	The one again on the left is the actual picture that the human is looking at.
	The one on the right is the reconstruction by scanning his, by monitoring his brain, and then the computer is reconstructing that one on the right.
	And so you've got a catcher who is squatting and has got one arm extended out, and that is captured again.
	And then the umpire behind him, who is in the same crouching position, even though the colors change a little bit.
	It still has that there.
	And then moving up to the room, the motel room, look at that.
	It even has the same color bed spread there.
	And the one above it, where you have the motorcycle still in exactly the same angle, and it figured out there's a person on a racing motorcycle, even though it got the colors slightly different on that.
	It truly is amazing.
	Interesting to me because it's little details that it gets wrong that if you were to remember this image, you would probably get a lot of these same details wrong, like exactly the color scheme of their clothes.
	But it still gets the general color scheme across all three of them.
	Yeah, the three people sitting there for the skiing thing.
	And again, the jet, the military jet, it gets a little bit of the details on the bottom that are different, but it basically has it all there.
	So it is pretty much getting the gist of it, just as Lance said.
	You would remember that when you come back.
	Now, what is interesting about this, I think, is the fact that it's not just one company that's doing this.
	There are at least 11, let's say a dozen companies that are out there.
	I bet you, we didn't look this up, but I bet you every single one of them has got grants from DARPA or some federal agency, most likely DARPA, in order to do this kind of stuff.
	You know, what is the use case for something like this?
	And how did they put it together?
	Well, this particular company is bragging about how superior their method is.
	They use FMRI, FMRI, the MRI scanner that you have, they put you in the machine and scan your brain and things like that.
	I had several of those done.
	This is functional MRI.
	And what it does, instead of looking at the structure of the brain and seeing, are there physical alterations to the brain after a stroke or something like that, it looks at changes in the brain that are happening dynamically over time.
	And so that's what the functional MRI is about.
	Rather than looking at the physiology or the structure of the brain, it's actually looking at the dynamic brain activity.
	And so to train these models, one of the things that this company is bragging about is that they spend about an hour training it, and their competitors might spend 40 hours training it.
	And they get far superior results.
	It truly is amazing when you look at how long they spend training it and how much better their recognition is, you know, being able to sense what you are seeing and thinking about and basically reading your mind.
	And so it is the brain interaction transformer.
	They call themselves BIT.
	Now, what they do, what is the training?
	Well, it turns out that everybody has these localized patch level image features.
	And so they call them the they call them clusters, okay?
	And so they're looking at brain voxel clusters.
	And they say, all humans have this, but these clusters will be located in different places on different subjects.
	Same thing, but it'll be slightly moved around.
	You know, when you have a stroke, they call it brain plasticity.
	And so when you have a stroke, part of your brain dies.
	And if you get the functionality back, it's because another part of your brain has taken up that activity.
	They said, so some very, very young children, maybe in infancy, might have a stroke that would affect, for example, their speech.
	And what they found is that even though that might reside on one side of their brain versus the other side of the brain, those young children, when they have the stroke that affects the side of the brain where normally speech would be, they found that as they learn to speak, the other side of their brain picks it up.
	And so that's what's called brain plasticity.
	In other words, it can adapt and train that other side of the brain to take over those functions.
	So that's what they're basically looking at here with these voxel clusters.
	They know that certain things are going to be fired.
	They just don't know exactly where that's going to be in a person's brain.
	So they spend an hour mapping those things out, and then they get very, very accurate results.
	And what they do is they split it into two different aspects.
	One of them is the semantics, and I think what that does is kind of give them a context.
	So when you look at how, oh, you've got two people standing, and they're kind of standing in this particular orientation, picks up that, and then the other one is more about the details that are there.
	And then they run these two different paths to get, so first they have programs that are looking at the voxel clusters, creating a kind of semantic context.
	The other one is creating a context for the features.
	And then they take the output of those two things and put them into something else that combines and sums those things together to give them that kind of image.
	It's pretty interesting in terms of technology that is there.
	But I think it is absolutely abhorrent that they're doing this.
	I can't think of any reason for them to do something like this.
	Now they'll come up with some kind of a fake justification, just like they're talking about with the creating babies with a hatchery.
	Oh, well, we'll do it to save people from some kind of genetic disease.
	And they're leaning into that excuse, leaning into that narrative by calling their company preventive, right?
	But these are the kinds of things, you know, when we look at this, actually, you know, Lance, pull up the one that says, it's titled Brain Interaction Transformer.
	And when you look at that chart, you'll see that in their chart, when they're talking about the cross-transformer module, they've got that listed there twice.
	And guess what?
	They misspelled Transformer.
	I'm being a little bit of a grammar Nazi here, but I've got to just say that, you know, we're talking about things like this.
	The little details matter.
	And I wonder what happens when you switch some of the stuff and you're reconstructing things, and it's a critical mission.
	I don't know.
	To be honest, this sounds a lot more like a Decepticon ploy than the Transformers to me, but what do I know?
	Yeah, that sounds pretty crazy to me.
	Look at one last one here, and that is comparing their images to these other models that are out there.
	Their company is called BrainIT, and they compare it to some other companies, Mind Turner, MindI2, Neuro VLA.
	And so look at this.
	They're the best mind reader on the market right now.
	Yeah, that's absolutely right.
	Another interesting one, I think, is the last one, the Neuro VLA, because it always gets the object correct, but it gets it in a very different context.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Yeah, so that first row there, you're seeing a bowl of some white stuff.
	Maybe it's oatmeal or something, and you're seeing a banana right next to it.
	And then when you look at the neuro VLA, they've got a bowl, and then they've got a banana, but it's not at all in the same orientation.
	And Brain IT was able to do that.
	And you see that repeated over and over again.
	They kind of get some of it, but they don't get all of it.
	And, you know, it's kind of interesting.
	What it reminded me of was this.
	Mr. Vinman, Ghostbuster.
	Good guess, but wrong.
	Heard that from Bill Murray in the mind reading thing.
	Opened up Ghostbusters.
	I wonder if they shock these people who created these models or they get it wrong.
	Tell me what you think it is.
	Is it a star?
	It is a star.
	That's great.
	And yet you can see from behind him that it wasn't.
	Think hard.
	Circle.
	Close.
	Definitely wrong.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Ready?
	What time is it?
	Figure eight.
	Incredible.
	That's five for five.
	You can't see these, can you?
	No, no.
	You're not cheap.
	That's not what it was.
	No, I swear they're just coming to me.
	Okay.
	Nervous?
	Yes.
	Don't like this.
	You only have 75 more to go.
	Okay.
	What's this one?
	Just a couple of wavy lines.
	Sorry.
	You got it right.
	Hey, my mom, um, we're here, um, we're here, I, it's not, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I get a little tired of this.
	You volunteered, didn't you?
	We're paying you, aren't we?
	Yeah, but I didn't know you were going to be giving me electric shocks.
	What are you trying to prove here anyway?
	I'm studying the effect of negative reinforcement on ESP ability.
	The effect?
	I'll tell you what the effect is.
	It's pissing me off.
	Well, then maybe my theory is correct.
	You can kick the five bucks I've had.
	I will, mister.
	Keep the five bucks.
	I wonder why they pay these people to go through an hour of MRI.
	It's the kind of resentment that your ability is going to provoke in some people.
	Yeah, so yeah, that's kind of interesting.
	But now they're doing it for real.
	Okay, they're going to use AI to read people's minds.
	And again, when they list out a table and they compare themselves percentage-wise to these other people, you see that there are 11 of these companies that are out there doing this stuff.
	And who is paying them?
	I bet it is some evil organization like, is
	it?
	all just about the winning when we look at this.
	Is it winning everything and the only thing?
	No, I don't think that's the case.
	We really need to have meaningful moral reform.
	You know, there's an excellent article, and I've talked about William Wolverforce in the past, but there's an excellent article talking about what he wrote in 1807 when he stopped the slave trade.
	And we're not going to go through all the details of it, but just to make you aware of it.
	It was called A Letter on the Abolition of the Slave Trade by William Wilberforce.
	It was published less than a month before the British Parliament voted overwhelmingly to abolish the slave trade.
	And it encapsulates two decades of relentless effort by Wilberforce.
	One historian aptly described that parliamentary vote as, quote, one of the turning events in the history of the world.
	And it was.
	Slavery has always existed at every time and in every culture.
	But it was William Wilberforce who single-handedly started to turn this tide.
	And he did it because of his Christian principles.
	And that's the point of this article.
	To talk about how effective and how necessary it is for Christians to hold to those principles.
	It's not just about winning.
	It's not about that at all.
	The whole reason he did this fight, and understand, take the biggest things that are out there.
	This is like one guy taking on all of the technocracy, or one guy taking on all of the oil industry, or all the military-industrial complex, or all the pharmaceuticals, or roll those all together.
	Big pharma, big food, the military-industrial complex, roll those all together.
	That was slavery at the time in his country.
	He took all that on and he won.
	And he won because he stood on principle.
	Wilberforce's work is not merely historical.
	It provides a timeless model for how Christians can and should engage in public life.
	It calls us to integrate faith, reason, and courage into our engagement with public policy.
	Wilberforce's approach to public policy was unapologetically grounded in Christian morality.
	By the way, this article is from Christian Post.
	He spoke boldly as a Christian in parliament, addressing his nation's accountability to God.
	Even in a society that might appear more receptive to Christian values than our own, such declarations were not always welcome.
	Yeah, not even in Britain at that time, which is far more accepting of Christian values than America is now.
	Wilberforce begins and ends with a solemn warning.
	He said the slave trade was an abominable evil that placed the British Empire under the judgment of God.
	His moral clarity cut through the political expediency, challenging his contemporaries to see the slave trade not as an economic necessity, but as a profound moral failing.
	Same thing is true of abortion today, isn't it?
	And so many other issues.
	We always have culture is downstream from religion and politics is downstream from culture.
	Wilberforce paired his moral convictions with meticulous research and evidence.
	He often spent 14 hours a day studying and gathering facts about the slave trade, a pace that he eventually moderated for the sake of his health.
	The rigorous preparation, though, allowed him to systematically counter every objection raised by his opponents.
	Folks, if you don't read, you can't lead.
	You've got to lead with the facts.
	Especially if you're going to do things in the name of truth, in the name of morality, and do things in the name of God.
	You've got to lead with the truth.
	And you've got to know what that is.
	In his letter on the abolition of the slave trade, Wilberforce methodically dismantled pro-slavery arguments, presenting a case so thorough, so compelling that it could not be ignored.
	His work underscores the importance of combining moral passion with intellectual precision and a lot of hard work.
	He said, it's not enough to simply declare what is right.
	We have to also engage in reasoned, evidence-based advocacy.
	Whether the issue is religious freedom, the sanctity of life, or justice for the marginalized, we must be prepared to make our case with clarity and convictions for us today.
	He faced fierce opposition from powerful interests tied to the slave trade and to colonial economies.
	And at one point, he was challenged to a duel by a slave ship captain.
	And he received multiple death threats, yet he pressed on with unwavering determination.
	Wilberforce confronts his opponents head-on in his book, arguing that the abolition of the slave trade would ultimately benefit the economy.
	He declared that even if economic losses occurred, the moral imperative to end, quote, the most enormous crime of slavery outweighed everything else.
	You know, we have to understand, and the founders of this country understood, that prosperity, like liberty, are a blessing from God.
	And that should be our first concern.
	Our first concern should be to seek God's blessing.
	And that means that we follow the principles that he laid out.
	As I say here in the Christian Post for Christians today, engaging in public life often means standing against cultural tides, enduring criticism, and hostility.
	Wilberforce's example challenges us to speak the truth in love regardless of the cost.
	Transformational change is possible when Christians engage the public square with conviction and perseverance.
	That is the legacy that was taught to us by William Wilberforce.
	That's right, boys and girls.
	There's a post-election sale on silver and gold.
	Trump euphoria has caused a dip in silver and gold.
	And it's time to buy some medals with fiat dollars before they come to their cents.
	Go to davidknight.gov to get in touch with the wise wolf himself, Tony Arderburn.
	He knows where to look to find silver and gold.
	All right,
	welcome back.
	And joining us now is filmmaker and evangelist Judd Saul.
	And his organization is Equipping the Persecuted.
	You can find the website at equippingthepersecuted.org.
	And that is the main site.
	And from that, they have set up another site that's focused strictly on what is happening in Nigeria because there's so much that is happening there.
	It's called Truth in TruthNigeria.com.
	And so you can find out what is happening there.
	We wanted to get it straight from Judd.
	Judd, tell us a little bit about this.
	I see that you went in 2011 and you first saw what was happening there.
	That's 14 years this has been going on now.
	But tell us what you saw that got you activated.
	Well, what I saw that got me activated, so I went first to Nigeria with my grandfather, who's an evangelist and wanted to heard stories about Nigeria, wanted to go help serve on the mission.
	And when I got there, people were telling us about these attacks that have been going on against them in their communities.
	And I personally saw the aftermath of some of these attacks when I was there.
	And it always just like it just struck me to my core.
	Yeah, I bet.
	I was like, and I kept on asking questions.
	I was like, what are people doing about this?
	What are other missionaries?
	Are there any other organizations doing something about this?
	What can be done?
	So over the years, I kept on serving with this other mission I was working with.
	But then in 2019, I started equipping the persecuted because, frankly, I'd had enough.
	I've talked to pastors and other missionaries and other people there.
	I said, what if we created an organization that actually wants to stop the persecution?
	What if we had an organization that trained village security teams?
	What if we had an organization that responds to these attacks within 48 hours?
	And they said, we need this yesterday.
	When can we start?
	So that's what started equipping the persecuted.
	Because I looked around and I saw that very few people were actually trying to do something about the situation.
	A lot of people talking, but no action on the ground.
	That's right.
	Because the government doesn't want to stop this.
	I mean, the government is kind of a silent partner in all this, from what I've been able to see.
	Is that correct?
	Would you say the government there?
	Well, in particular, well, there was President Goodluck Jonathan, who is Christian, that was trying to use Nigerian resources to fight Boko Haram and fight the Fulani terrorists.
	But then what happened was when Obama came into office, he then started sending Democrat operatives to Nigeria to get Muslim presidents elected over Christian presidents.
	And when you saw the Muslim presidents take over, you saw the killing increase exponentially.
	Wow.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I guess it was appropriately named Good Luck Jonathan.
	I'm going to stop the Muslims killing Christians.
	Good luck, Jonathan.
	Yes.
	Well, so, you know, so what's been going on is before it would be like you'd have a Christian president, Muslim vice president, Muslim president, Christian vice president.
	But in the last three presidential terms, what you've had is a Muslim-Muslim ticket, and the government has been laying cover for the terrorists and turning a blind eye to the killing and pretending it doesn't exist.
	Wow.
	And so that was Obama's influence.
	And so you could have a positive influence as well from the U.S., but that's not there.
	I want to focus more on what you actually do in terms of equipping the persecuted.
	I heard you talk about emergency response teams, talking about village security.
	Tell us a little bit about those things.
	So currently, the Nigerian government, you have the police, you have the military, which are all nationalized.
	They're all run by the Nigeria government.
	But what the Nigerian government did do is recognize village security teams.
	They're called vigilante.
	Now, vigilante in the U.S. has a negative connotation, but the word vigilante has a positive connotation in Nigeria.
	And so these are people that are from their local villages that get together to defend their villages or the first line of defense.
	But they get no arms.
	They get no training.
	They get no funding.
	And we've taken it upon our ministry to come alongside them and say, you know what?
	We'll give you some training.
	How about we give you some radios, some locally sourced bulletproof vests, things that you can do to try to help defend your village?
	We can't get in the arms business, but what we can do is come alongside them and give them training and some basic materials to help save lives.
	That's good.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	What we call that here in the U.S. instead of vigilantes, we would call it a posse.
	But of course, they would be armed in order to be able to do something about it.
	And that is not allowed there, I understand.
	And certainly your organization could not provide that.
	What about a quick response team after something like this has happened?
	Of course, that's going to be medical care and other things.
	Yeah, so what happens is, you know, the Fulani come in.
	Let's say it's a town of 1,000, 1,500.
	They'll come in, start shooting, start funneling people in and kill as many as they can.
	But then you have a lot of survivors that are no longer allowed to return to their homes because the Fulani have decimated everything.
	They've burned the houses down.
	They chopped down all the crops.
	They raise everything.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	And then all these people are put into these camps.
	Well, they don't have any food.
	They don't have any clothing.
	They don't have any shelter.
	And so we try to, within 48 hours, is deploy food, aid, and medicine within these attacks.
	And many times we come across a lot of wounded victims that haven't been treated.
	People that have had bullets in their arms and in their bodies for over 48 hours that need medical care and surgery.
	And we come alongside, pay for those medical costs and try to help the wounded.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	That's very important.
	You know, we get frustrated because it's like, you know, nobody's talking about this, and certainly nobody's doing anything about it.
	And, you know, it is somewhat difficult.
	I'm sure that there's lovers that could be pulled if Trump wanted to do anything about it.
	But the U.S. government typically doesn't now.
	Obama did.
	When you look at these people, they push the Muslims in there, but is there also a Marxist component to this as well?
	It's mostly just Muslims.
	I would say there's a hint of that creeping in, a little nationalized things do that.
	But I see more of traditional Islam 101 dominance is what's driving this force.
	Now, the Nigerian government lately has been very cozy to the Chinese.
	While the Biden administration and the U.S. governments turned a blind eye to Nigeria on a lot of things, the Chinese are filling that void, providing a lot of money.
	They're sending in some of their politics in, but they're also capitalizing on, I would say, on the crisis, because what we're seeing now is Chinese mines sprouting up on what were once Christian lands.
	And they're illegally mining, and the terrorists aren't killing the Chinese because they're probably taking some money on the back end for allowing the Chinese to mine in these areas.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Wow.
	I just say that just recently, this is on Saturday the 25th.
	Christians are urged to pray as an American missionary pilot, Kevin Rydout, was abducted in Niger.
	This is very dangerous work that you do, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we're praying for that pilot.
	I have some friends that are within that missions organization, and I called them and asked them about that specific situation.
	And so far, there's been no ransom asked for.
	What we think is happening is that they kidnapped him and they're using the pilot to do things for them.
	They don't want to ransom him out.
	They want to essentially turn him into a slave for doing what their work is.
	That's what I'm hearing on the ground.
	Oh, okay.
	Because there has been no ransom called yet for that gentleman.
	And it's very dangerous.
	We have to travel with armed security wherever we go in Nigeria.
	We have armed security teams, and we know, especially now, I've been speaking out against what's going on in Nigeria publicly.
	You know, there's more of a risk there, but we go by God's grace and his mercy and protection.
	Well, good for you.
	That's fearless, and that's what people of faith should be, should be fearless.
	I played the clip before you came on of a pastor there, and we've seen so many videos on social media of the mass funerals that are being held with all the bodies that are there because the killing has been just astounding.
	And is it increasing, or how would you characterize it recently?
	Oh, no, the killings increased this year.
	Before, it would be between 4,000 to 5,000 Christians killed per year.
	Wow.
	But this year, since January 1, there's been over 7,000 Christians that have been killed.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	The attacks are ramping up and the Nigerian government turning a blind eye to it, or I would just say they're complicit.
	And the mainstream media is laying cover for it as well.
	Wow.
	Yeah, it absolutely is a case of genocide.
	And, of course, that's what Bill Mauer said.
	And he was right.
	We've been talking about it here as well.
	But they're very selective about what they're concerned about.
	And as we see, you mentioned China coming in there.
	We see all the time people would talk about what the Chinese are doing to the Muslim Uyghurs that are there.
	Or they talk about what they're doing to the Falun Gong.
	But rarely do they talk about what's being done to the Christians in China.
	And so, you know, China, this is par for the course for China coming in, as you point out, and Nigeria doing a deal with the government and putting mines on the land of the Christian villagers who have been killed and their homes have been destroyed and that type of thing.
	It is truly amazing.
	Tell us what else you are involved in outside of Nigeria, or is there more that you want to talk about with Nigeria?
	Well, primarily my full-time work since 2019 has been focused on Nigeria and trying to raise awareness, but also help the people on the ground.
	One of the figures that I haven't pointed out to you is that there's between 3.5 million and 5 million Christians that have been removed from their homes that are living in camps that are suffering from disease, starvation, and just awful, awful conditions.
	And they haven't been able to return back to their homes because the Fulani Muslim terrorists have squatted on their land.
	And if these Christians go back, they get killed.
	Wow.
	That is amazing.
	Yeah, the Republicans are not interested in this, of course.
	The Democrats were in terms of equipping the Muslims to do this kind of persecution, but the Republicans are just, you know, I guess, looking elsewhere with all this.
	Truly is amazing.
	We are gaining a little headway with Republicans, but we're fighting a war of narratives.
	I think there are people, there are some in the Republican Party that are capitalizing off of the, well, they don't want to solve the problem.
	I think they're capitalizing on the back end.
	And we have other Republicans that are coming up and calling for U.S. intervention on behalf of persecuted Christians in Nigeria.
	But there is a battle in a war of words and a war of narratives we're fighting against.
	And there is a genocide against Christians in Nigeria.
	We have some Republicans and the Democrats obviously repeating Muslim talking points from Nigeria that there is no crisis, there is no genocide.
	It's bandits or these unknown gunmen.
	Everybody refuses to name who's doing the killing.
	And it's Muslims killing Christians.
	Yeah.
	Well, of course, as my producer says, we're too busy blowing up boats to worry about Christians being genocided.
	That's, I guess, what's happening here.
	We have our different areas that we're interested in, and we have our areas that we have some financial interest in.
	China, of course, is taking an interest in it.
	They're looking at getting minerals out of this area.
	But my producer also says, what about providing them with 3D printers where they could make their own weapons?
	Of course, they'd have to have electricity.
	Do they have electricity in these villages?
	No, that's the problem.
	That's the problem.
	We have solutions, but they don't have the power.
	They don't have the power source to be able to do these things.
	Power, especially in these areas, they're lucky.
	If there is a line run to their communities, they're lucky it runs 10% of the time.
	They're lucky to have power maybe 10% of the time.
	The rest is just blackout.
	It's awful.
	Wow.
	Talk to me as an evangelist.
	I mean, what is it like talking to somebody in an area where there's this kind of a persecution for becoming a Christian?
	I mean, that's like a death sentence.
	I would imagine that'd be a pretty big obstacle to overcome when you're talking to somebody about Christ.
	Well, actually, it's not as hard as you think because when you have people that are already living in abject poverty and then everything getting totally taken away from them, you come in meeting the needs, presented with the gospel.
	People are very willing to hear and they accept it.
	And the Christians that are murdered for their faith, that refuse to convert to Islam, have a real sense of Christianity that I wish most Americans, most Americans, couldn't understand.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I agree.
	Yeah, where they get up in the morning, thanking God, thank you for letting me, thank you for allowing me another breath today.
	Thank you for allowing me to live.
	And they get up going, Lord, we're relying on you for sustenance.
	They have no choice but to rely on God, but they stay faithful to the end.
	And that's what keeps me motivated, keeps me coming back.
	And that testimony actually really makes it easy to share the gospel to these people.
	And even the ones that are nominal, not fully saved, we've even seen Muslims come to know Christ because they've seen our kindness.
	They've seen how we treat one another and we come to care for them.
	And we see many Muslims come to know Christ through this mission just because we're shining a light into the darkness.
	That's great.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, we have this life of comfort, which is not conducive to a Christian life, really.
	You know, when we're struggling with hardship, that makes Christ so much more precious.
	And we see him working in different ways in our life like that.
	And that is something that many people in the West, the affluence gets in the way of us being able to see that.
	And when you're living hand to mouth like that, you really can see it.
	Do they speak English?
	Most of them do.
	The educated Nigerians speak English.
	You have a lot of people in the rural communities that only have their tribal language that they know.
	They know some English, but the majority of the country does speak English.
	So what about Bibles and things like that?
	Most of it is done in English, or do you have it in the tribal languages as well?
	We have it in English, but then we have Bibles printed in, I say their dominant tribal language.
	So a lot of the area we work in is Hausa.
	And so we have Bibles printed in Hausa that we give to these people.
	And then Fulani converts, Falani Muslim converts that convert to Christianity, we have the Bible printed in their language and given to them.
	And so, you know, with technology and the way things are, we're able to get the Bible translated into several different tribal languages and we get them out there.
	But if they know English, we give them English Bible.
	If they don't, we give them a Bible and their translation.
	Talk to us a little bit about the Fulani tribesmen.
	Of course, I see that phrase all the time, but where are these people coming from?
	Are they Nigerian or are they coming from another area trying to take over areas of Nigeria?
	What's going on with the Fulani?
	Another Muslim?
	So the Fulani are not indigenous to Nigeria.
	They're coming from way up North Africa, from the Sahel.
	So Niger, Chad, They're nomadic herders, and they've worked their way south and going into Nigeria.
	And wherever these guys end up, they end up taking territory, killing, and continuing to gain political power.
	They're a conquering tribe, but they do it through Islam.
	I used to call it, they start with cultural jihad where they move in, they become neighbors, they do business, kids go to school together.
	And when they get the population and the political power, then they start the killing.
	And then they keep working their way further south and doing that.
	And so they are not indigenous to Nigeria.
	They're an invading tribe.
	That seems to be an established pattern for Muslim conquest, isn't it?
	Coming in and gradually, as you start to accumulate your numbers, you come in peacefully at first.
	Talk about Boko Haram.
	And of course, we've heard about them for quite some time attacking and kidnapping girls out of schools because they don't want girls reading anything and getting educated.
	But give us an idea of where they're coming from and what they're about.
	So Boko Haram are also Fulani.
	Oh, it's the same thing.
	They're Falani.
	You know how radical Islam, they have different groups that sprout up.
	So one is not as hardcore as the other one in their Islam, and they have rival groups.
	So you have ISIS of West Africa, you have Boko Haram, but they're all Fulani.
	And they practice a Sunni Wahhabiist form of Islam, which is a very radical Saudi Arabian form of Islam.
	And then they kind of battle it out here and there.
	But then the Fulani that aren't necessarily affiliated with ISWAP or Boko Haram still coordinate together to go kill and take over more territory.
	Wow.
	Wow.
	So the Wahhabi.
	Sometimes they have their little spats.
	One's not as radical as the other, so we got to fight each other over here.
	But they still systematically conquer as they go.
	Yeah.
	Wow.
	So Wahhabiists, not the Sunnis or the Shias, but they're more like the Saudis.
	So I imagine a lot of, you know, the Sharia law with beheadings and mutilation over theft and all the rest of this stuff that is there, as well as the, you know, putting hoods on women and all the rest of this.
	So how can people support you?
	They can go to the website and they can get information about what you're doing and how they can support you.
	Yeah, you can go to equippingthepersecuted.org, partner with our organization.
	We need all the help we can get.
	Like I said, our resources are the need is great.
	Resources are small.
	We're doing everything we can to help out our persecuted brothers and sisters.
	And then if you want information, up-to-date news on what's going on in Nigeria, go to truthnigeria.com.
	Well, I really appreciate what you're doing.
	And it really is important.
	I mean, there is, other than talking to politicians and complaining about what politicians are doing or not doing, you are actually getting in there and helping the people who have been attacked, who have been, you know, families that have been physically attacked, the people have been shot, give them medical care to help to rebuild their houses, I guess, as well as part of that.
	And that is really a key thing.
	And of course, equipping them with a kind of a warning system since they're not allowed to defend themselves in that country.
	But thank you so much for what you're doing.
	And again, truthnigeria.com and equippingthepersecuted.org are the places where people can find out about what you're doing there.
	Before you leave, though, you're a filmmaker.
	So do you have a documentary about this that you have done?
	So we've put out a few, we're working on putting it together a series of mini documentaries about certain subjects in Nigeria.
	Put out one a few months ago called the Father's Day Massacre, which was an attack that took place in June in Benway, Nigeria on Father's Day, where 280 Christians were slaughtered.
	Half of them were burned alive.
	The other half that weren't burned alive were shot and hacked to death with machetes trying to escape the fires.
	And that was a very significant moment that we decided we needed to do a cover and show how horrific that attack was to let people know that this persecution is real.
	Wow.
	And it's not just about banditry and farmer Herger conflict, that this is a real genocide.
	And we put that out in June.
	It's called the Father's Day Massacre.
	And then before that, I've done political.
	Where can people find that?
	Is that on YouTube or is it?
	It's right on our website, equipping the persecuted.org.
	All right, good.
	Yes.
	Well, it truly is amazing.
	And, you know, before you came in, I played the one guy who was talking about, well, 100 years we won't know anything at all, but Christ knows what they have done.
	Hi, my name is Brian Hooker, and I'm the Chief Scientific Officer for Children's Health Defense.
	And I want to talk to you about an important initiative of CHD called the COVID Index.
	This is the information that the Powers at Be did not want you to see.
	This web repository refutes the narrative, the official narrative, regarding COVID-19.
	It has a very, very comprehensive, easy-to-use search engine, so you can search readily and also get direct excerpts from every entry in the COVID index.
	There's so much information out there that needs to be curated, and this is a place where it has been done and is being done continuously.
	So I highly recommend that you check out this resource at www.covidindex.science.
	All right, welcome back.
	And that was a little introductory video that you'll find at that site, covidindex.science.
	I didn't even know they had a .science.
	I guess they did that in honor of Fauci.
	It'd be interesting to get the domain name.
	I am.science.
	Joining us now is Dr. Brian Hooker.
	He's a chief scientific officer at Children's Health Defense, formerly the department chair and professor emeritus of biology at Simpson University.
	And I have been following his very valuable research and the very valuable things that Children's Health Defense had through this massive pandemic MacGuffin that we always talk about.
	And it's good that, you know, we can look at this stuff and we can understand the motivations of these people and we can sanity check it.
	But it's important to have the scientific information that's there as well.
	And that's what Dr. Hooker provides.
	You know, it was actually Children's Health Defense, and I think ICON that when they sued the CDC, the CDC is part of the vaccine holding them not responsible for any damage that they did to the kids.
	I forget the exact name of it, the 1986 Act.
	And you probably know what that is, Dr. Hooker.
	What's the name of that official act?
	It's called the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, and it set up the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program.
	And the program was up and running in about 1989.
	And they were supposed to be tracking as part of that agreement.
	They were supposed to track the adverse events and to make recommendations and so forth.
	And so I remember RFK Jr. and Del Bigtree at ICON asked them, you know, we'd like to see your records and see what recommendations you have made and so forth and so on.
	They stalled and stalled and stalled and wouldn't comply with it.
	Finally, they had a judge that forced them to give the information.
	You could see that for 30 plus years, they had not been concerned about any of this stuff.
	They'd kept no records at all.
	And so it's very important when we come into this, if we understand what the priorities of these people are, that it's not your health, that it's the profits of the corporations and the revolving door that is there, that's an important thing to start with.
	But what Dr. Hooker has provided is beyond that, and it gives us the tools that we need in order to try to help educate people.
	And they've got a new resource now, COVIDIndex.science.
	So with that long introduction, thank you so much for joining us.
	I really do appreciate you coming on today.
	Well, you're very welcome.
	And I'm excited that Children's Health Defense is hosting COVIDIndex.science.
	It is such an amazing repository of information of all things around the COVID era and now what's going on the post-COVID era.
	You know, the mess that was created by the whole pandemic needs to be cleaned up.
	And that's, you know, the fallout.
	We're continuing to see publications come out and publications that we feel are bad or fraudulent that are not good science.
	We want to make sure that those are critiqued in the COVID index.
	And then also the good science that's coming out so people will know, you know, what's going on with things like remdesivir, hospital protocols, the vaccine, the therapies that work that have been disparaged like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and vitamin D3 and zinc.
	And, you know, so we've got sort of a historical basis and we've built this edifice of information.
	And it's a living database.
	We're always updating the COVID index.
	So when things come out, then we can feature the new information and some of the information pouring out, like ties to things like autism as well as neurodevelopmental disabilities for individuals that got the shot in pregnancy.
	And also, you know, one of the things that practitioners are talking about are turbo cancers.
	We're seeing so many turbo cancers that we believe that the vaccine played a role in either causing that cancer or hastening the growth of that cancer.
	Yes, I remember.
	And I remember pathologist Dr. Ryan Cole talking in the spring of 2021 as it was really starting to roll out in a large way.
	He said, I'm looking at patients and I'm seeing that it's damaging their killer T cells.
	And he goes, and that's when I first heard the term turbo cancer, I think.
	He was talking about that.
	He said, it's really going to cause that to explode because that's your body's first defense against cancer cells, the killer T cells.
	And so I guess the first question I would have for you, what about people who got the shots?
	Many of the listeners have, hopefully they haven't gotten it, but perhaps they have family or friends who have.
	What types of things, are there going to be resources there at COVIDindex.science that would help people who have been exposed to this pathogen?
	Yes, there are resources on recovery from COVID vaccine injury.
	That is a part of the database.
	And I would also encourage those individuals that are suffering and they really don't know where to go because so many practitioners either don't acknowledge that it happens or they'll throw up their hands and say, I have no idea what to do.
	So I would encourage those individuals to email us at info at children'shealthdefense.org and ask that question directly.
	You know, I can't really recommend practitioners, you know, in an interview or in that particular setting, but at least we can let people know what practitioners are in the area or what practitioners are specially are specializing in those types of cancers or in those types of difficulties.
	Like, you know, long COVID vaccine injury is extremely prevalent.
	A lot of people are having symptoms that are similar to fibromyalgia that either got COVID or got the COVID shot.
	And we're finding circulating spike protein in these individuals that got the COVID shot for upwards to two years after they got their last vaccine.
	So things can be done and things need to be done.
	Yeah, so I had an interview years ago with an injured orthopedic surgeon who could no longer work because his hands were shaking.
	And he kept going to fellow physicians.
	And as soon as he would say he thought it was a vaccine injury and this is what they would, they would just basically, I can't help you.
	They would run away.
	It just tells us so much about the state of medicine right now, doesn't it?
	Even to the extent that he finally went to somebody and the guy said, all right, I've got some things here that I think will help you, but we're not going to talk about what caused it.
	I mean, that kind of fear is like a totalitarian Stalin-esque state.
	I mean, this is the kind of stuff that Solzhenitsyn talked about in the Soviet Union.
	It is.
	And, you know, we were so fortunate.
	California had a bill to actually codify that so physicians and providers could not deviate from the standard of care.
	They could not talk about things that were outside of like Rem Deservir or Pax Lovid or Mono Polvinir that were the sort of, you know, patented technologies that were going to give the most money, you know, to government scientists.
	And so they could not deviate from that line.
	They could never talk about ivermectin.
	That bill passed, but fortunately it was overturned by a court decision and the bill, the California legislature, withdrew it.
	But many practitioners do not know that, that they have the freedom to be able to deviate from the standard of care.
	Many are afraid, you know, because of individuals that have been persecuted, that have lost their certifications, things like that.
	But, you know, quite honestly, I know the practitioners that have gone through the persecution, that have lost their certifications.
	They fight back, they win.
	And so many of them are still in practice today.
	And I'm glad for people like Ryan Cole, for Peter McCullough, for Pierre Corey, that have really fought the system and are still seeing patients, treating patients, and doing a lot of good.
	That's great.
	Yeah.
	It is horrific to look at how corrupt the system is.
	And of course, they got a lot of different ways that they can come after you.
	I'm pretty sure it was a Children's Health Defense article where they were talking about how the insurance companies will come after the pediatricians who don't follow the vaccine schedule and get a certain percentage of their children vaccinated on schedule.
	They will basically cut across the board what they will pay these pediatricians and basically put them out of practice.
	Even if you don't get some review board to pull their license, they can pull that economic trick on you.
	I think that was from Children's Health Defense.
	They have done that and they threatened that all the time.
	We were able to get the incentive program for one of the largest HMOs in the United States, and it was Anthem Blue Cross.
	And what we found was that pediatricians stood to make over a half a million dollars a year if 63% or more of their pediatric practice was fully vaccinated.
	They could get $600 per patient if they had 1,000 patients that were fully vaccinated.
	That was $600,000.
	And that was a yearly incentive.
	So, you know, those individuals that have been fired from pediatric practices because they haven't been following the vaccine schedule, that's why it has nothing to do with health.
	It has everything to do with a pediatrician on the take.
	Yeah, that's right.
	And of course, we look at the whole COVID thing.
	I was absolutely amazed.
	I remember it was in August of 2020.
	The American Hospital Association was saying, wait a minute, you told us you're going to give us a 20% bonus and now you're telling us that we've got to give you our PCR tests.
	You told us at the beginning that you didn't have enough of them and that they didn't work anyway.
	Right.
	This is amazing.
	I've been shouting about that now for five years.
	And people just don't realize how they use financial strings to get their way with people and how they were financially incentivizing people.
	So you just point at them and say they got COVID, $9,000 you put them on a ventilator.
	We're going to give you $39,000.
	We'll give you a 20% bonus on everything that you do if you say this person has COVID.
	I mean, the whole thing was bought and paid for, wasn't it?
	It really was.
	And that, you know, there was sort of an economic dearth right during the shutdown because they were shutting down hospitals and taking elective surgeries and things like that and telling them to stay home.
	So then they waived these incentive programs come July, August of 2020 to the providers, to the hospitals, and really force them into a situation where many of them just had to go along.
	Let's diagnose COVID.
	Let's diagnose.
	We're not going to give effective therapies.
	We really want to put people on ventilators because they got more money for ventilated patients that were in ICU.
	And so that forced many, many more patients into that whole system where they got worse and worse and worse.
	And I think a lot of them, David, died of bacterial pneumonia, but they, you know, they were never tested for the essence of bacteria and they were allowed to die.
	It was just a crying shame.
	And people should go to jail over this.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Putting people on the ventilator and that type of thing.
	We have Grace Sheriff's case, and they're reopening that again.
	And that was another one of these cases, just basically hospital murder, put a do not resuscitate and put her on a ventilator.
	But I wanted to ask you a couple of things because there's been some disappointment on my part and as well as a lot of my listeners with what's going on with Maha.
	I'm disappointed that the mRNA jab is still there.
	I mean, we've had the process, and I understand there's a lot of inertia here.
	I understand there's a real political fight there.
	And I kind of watched this as it's been developing in Florida with Joseph Latipo there.
	First they came back and they said, well, we don't recommend it, you know, but if you get it, you can go ahead and get it.
	But they're not going to ban it.
	And they're gradually moving into that, you know, first saying we strongly, we don't recommend it.
	We're not going to force anymore.
	But now we strongly do not recommend it.
	But they won't actually come in with a ban on this kind of stuff.
	And it's so frustrating because we have seen in the past when a handful of people died over a vaccine or over a medicine, they would pull it.
	And that is not happening now.
	They will pull it if you've got a couple of children who die because of a faulty baby crib.
	They pull all of them off the market.
	But they don't do that with this.
	And so the question is, you know, what is happening?
	Why don't we see a ban of the mRNA?
	And of course, what Latipo has moved to is to say that now pointing out the fact there's a lot of DNA contamination in the vaccines and say this is something that should cause you to pull this off the market, but it's not.
	And so at what point do you think this is going to happen or is it going to happen?
	I want it to happen desperately.
	You know, we have things that are not on the open market that are not sold or distributed ever because they're poisons.
	We call them poisons.
	And so when you look at the mRNA shot, it is pure poison.

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