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Oct. 24, 2025 - The David Knight Show
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$38 Trillion and Counting: Bipartisan Debt Slavery
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All right, folks, welcome back.
And joining us today rather than on a Thursday is Tony Arteman of Wise Wolf Gold.
And of course, if you go to davidknight.gold, that'll take you to Wise Wolf and let him know that you came through us.
Tony switched days because it has been so hectic.
The golf market, like everything else, is one of the first places, I guess, where some of the deliberate chaos is being sewn into the global economy is showing up in the financial markets.
And so we've seen a lot of stuff moving.
What's going on today, Tony?
Thanks for joining us.
What's going on in the markets?
Well, first of all, good to see you again, David.
And yeah, sorry I hadn't been able to make it on my usual Thursdays.
My schedule is all over the place.
And I think if you're watching the metals markets, you know why.
And it's really just trying to figure out what's next.
I mean, there's a on one side, you've got this avalanche of supply, and some of the big wholesalers stop buying.
On the other side, we've got a supply deficit, and people can't source products.
And, you know, the trades are two or three weeks out.
So it is a really interesting thing.
It's a really interesting time to be in the gold and silver business.
So I've been having to stay pretty nimble.
But luckily for us, we did a little bit of pre-planning for this.
So we had inventory covered for Wolfpack and other things.
And I've just been, I think the key thing that I've been able to do is be mobile.
So I've been back and forth between Missouri and Texas and taking inventory there or bringing inventory from there to liquidate.
So just staying on top of that, it has definitely increased my travel time.
But I'm thankful for it.
There's a lot going on.
Well, you know, I don't know how it affected you, but I talked about this yesterday, the day before, about what happened with silver.
And basically, from what I understand, the markets in London couldn't fill the silver orders for people.
Part of it was because of an Indian religious festival.
They weren't accumulating excrement like we showed earlier.
We had the poop festival, but this was about collecting wealth.
And so typically they would collect gold.
This year, a lot of influencers in India said silver.
So there was this huge run on silver, and it affected markets all the way from India to London because even though London had some silver, a lot of it was already spoken for and locked down because of the paper silver, the ETFs and things like that.
Did you see that happening?
Did that affect you?
And I followed that story.
I'm following the other, there's stories in that periphery about bullion supplies and paperback silver that I've been watching closely.
We've discussed the nation state involvement in accumulating silver.
And I think that is what's putting the pressure on paper silver to, and it's exposing paper silver for everything that they've done for the past many decades.
The catalyst, I think, Russia putting silver as a strategic reserve asset was really important.
And whatever pressure that is, and I think China is calling the bluff of London too.
I think there's some behind-the-scenes stuff going on with these bullion houses and the contracts.
I think that the nation states are getting involved now, and I think that's why we're seeing them break.
Yeah, I showed the one chart, and it was really kind of crazy.
They had the actual spot price of silver or gold, and then they had what the ETF prices were.
And they were two separate lines.
One of them, they crossed at one point.
They actually got the same for just one point when they crossed.
But sometimes it was much higher than the actual price of silver.
Sometimes it was much lower.
But they didn't track.
And I always saw that as a big red flag of something going on.
Yeah, none of the shenanigans have taken place.
None of the paper sell-offs have happened like they had back in February of 2021.
None of that's taken place.
So the price suppression game, they just may not be able to do it anymore, at least not on the level that has been done in the past.
So I would keep watching these stories unravel about contract exposure and what's actually on the books and what can be delivered.
I think this is about trust.
And worldwide, I mean, trust is diminishing because of things like our own currency system and the weaponization of the dollar.
So trust being a factor there, people are going to start, I think nation states, entities, will start demanding physical.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, speaking of physical, you've talked about this quite a bit, the urban mining of gold and silver.
And there was a long article from the New York Times talking about the diamond market there and people taking their jewelry in there to take advantage of the higher prices for gold and silver.
Of course, they were not looking at long-term things.
One lady brought in her jewelry and made like $4,000 or $5,000 off it.
She's going to take a trip.
But yeah, people need liquidity.
And I think that's one of the things that people were saying, besides just regular profit-taking, you had a Federal Reserve, somebody who'd been associated with the Federal Reserve as an analyst.
And she now has her own reporting and her own firm that she runs.
And she said she thought this was part of this was a liquidity freeze for people.
She said, to me, I look at this and I see a liquidity crisis that's very similar to March of 2020.
And she said, if you've got to cash out stuff you need to cover things in a liquidity crisis because you've got margin calls or this or that, you're going to take your biggest winner and you're going to liquidate that.
What do you think is going on with all this?
Is this simply just profit taking?
Or like this woman is saying, do you think that there's some other issues with other financial markets that's causing people to have to liquidate things?
No, I think it's all the above.
And people are urban gold mining.
There's people coming into both of my shops, Dennison and Branson.
And we're buying a lot of scrap jewelry, old coins, things that we can always melt.
And with the prices the way they are, it's worth people going out and looking and finding and turning things in and maybe even getting back the jewelry price they paid for it.
If they bought it many, many years ago, they can get all that back, at least in dollars.
So we're seeing that at a really good pace.
And I think that's only going to continue.
But there's also massive profit taking in some sectors.
And of course, there's some psychological stuff going on with the pullback.
And you and I were laughing off air.
It's like gold dropped from $4,300 plus dollars an ounce down to close to $4,000 an ounce.
And it was like, oh, that's the worst drop it's had.
And this is the, you know, gold got wiped out.
And I'm like, it's over $4,000 an ounce.
It's going to be fine.
It's $4,120 right now as we speak.
So I think a lot of that's profit taking.
And you'll see that, too.
Silver was interesting.
When silver broke its new all-time high last week or so, we had people coming in and trying to sell me everything that was silver.
And the refiners, all major refiners that I know of, I haven't found one yet, stopped.
They stopped buying any scrap silver.
They said, we just can't do it.
We're too busy.
So at any price, they would not buy it.
And not that it's not worth anything.
And I'm still buying.
I just had to lower my prices of what I buy it for.
And I'm just stacking it in the back until they can melt it.
That's part of that story out of India.
It was a guy that had been in business for three decades or so.
And his company was the largest silver refiner there in India.
Couldn't find any silver.
They were completely out of it.
It's amazing.
Yeah, it's interesting.
There's certain things that the refiners here, like in Dallas, stop buying.
And gold has never been an issue.
They're buying the gold, but they would go all over the place on silver.
So there's such a mixed bag with that market and understanding silver and understanding the supply issue and what people want and how you can get liquidity.
But I think right now there's some cooling off and prices have dipped below that $50 mark.
So this is like one of those, I think, a good time just to get into silver.
It pulled back.
So the whack, I'm ordering right now.
Like I'm pushing the buy button on a whole bunch of products that I put into Wolfpack.
So every day that I'm watching a little bit of red, that's fine.
I did the same thing with gold.
When gold went to 4,000, I said, okay, well, I owed some inventory.
So I bought five ounces.
Whenever these prices go down, I'm a buyer.
So a lot of people.
I remember a year ago when Trump won the election and gold took a dive.
And I said, it's just on sale because none of the fundamentals have really changed.
I mean, just take a look at this last week, just the last day or so.
Here's the debt clock.
This is the thing.
Remember, Thomas Massey bought a whole bunch of these national debt clocks that are constantly flipping around and going up.
And he handed them out to the incoming new congresspeople, right?
Here's this for your lapel, just to remind you what's going on in the national debt.
And this shows one of those at $38 trillion.
But even though they were looking for it, it was moving so quickly that when it hit $38 trillion, they tried to take a picture of it, but it was already added another $83,000 before the picture was taken because the thing was flipping around so much.
So the bottom line is that all of these fundamentals, nothing has fundamentally changed.
There's going to be profit-taking as people do in the markets.
Nothing is a straight line, and it's always going to be a lot of noise as people are taking profits and other things like that.
But the fundamentals have not changed.
No, not at all.
And I mean, you look at, I read a lot of the Kitco analysts and some of the people that they bring on.
And you'll talk about things like, oh, well, the trade tensions have lessened with China, so it's a good time.
And you'll see a little pullback in price.
But again, big picture, fundamentals, the dollar, the de-dollarization, the issue with our debt.
You mentioned the $38 trillion.
Metrics on that where we were $1 trillion the last time silver had its all-time high.
So in 45 years, we've added $37 trillion in debt.
And that's only going to accelerate.
$38 now.
Yeah, it's $38 now.
It's going so fast you can't keep track of it.
That's right.
We've added this massive amount of debt, not to mention the unfunded liabilities.
And then you have the geopolitical risk of the foreign policy and the tripwires that we have all over the world.
No, the metrics and why you would want to be outside of this system are there.
I mean, for the first time, central banks now own more gold than they do U.S. Treasuries.
And it's only a matter of time before central banks hold more gold than they do U.S. dollars.
It's only a matter of time.
It's not that it's not going to happen because right now it's the dollar is number one as a tier one asset via the Bank of International Settlements.
The number two used to be the Euro, and they got supplanted by gold last year.
Yeah.
And I think it's when it gets coming soon.
I think when it gets up in the mid-5000s or something, it'll be the number one, the tier one asset.
You know, it's kind of interesting, too, when we talk about this debt.
The federal debt rose by a trillion dollars in a little over two months, which is the fastest rate of growth outside of the pandemic.
And of course, when did that happen during the pandemic?
That was Trump, and he wanted to get Massey out because Massey opposed him on that.
Trump doesn't care a whit about debt and deficits and things like that.
We saw that from his bankruptcy of the casinos that were out there.
And so somebody that doesn't really care about debt, what eventually happens is bankruptcy, and that's where he's taking us as a country as well, right?
Well, that's what he said.
He used to call himself the king of debt.
Yeah.
That's what he called himself.
He just calls himself the king.
But he's defecating on all of us, isn't he, with his fiscal policy?
It's not just a protest.
Well, I mean, maybe we'll go to the last time when he needed to bail out.
He got Wilbur Ross and the Rothschilds to come in, and maybe that's what we're doing now.
Except we're doing it with the entire nation.
Maybe that's why Scott Besson is the case.
That's what the Federal Reserve is.
Yeah, that's why Scott Besson is there because he broke the Bank of England with Soros.
So, yeah, they can break the Federal Reserve with this.
I'm sure both of them would love to do that.
There was an interesting article on Mises and said, so what happens when gold, you know, when's the next gold bubble burst?
And they went back and they looked at four previous times.
I thought that was kind of interesting.
And as I'm reading it, I thought, but these things have nothing to do with the kind of time that we're in right now.
And in each of those cases, what they pointed out was that people had lost all confidence in the Federal Reserve.
And then the Federal Reserve pulls some trick, pulls some rabbit out of their hat to regain confidence.
And that was the thing that caused the increase in gold price to collapse.
But that's not what's going to happen this time.
I don't see that happening.
I think people have lost confidence.
I think you've got other things that are happening.
People are even more aware with Bitcoin of the fact that we've got to get out of the manipulation by the Federal Reserve.
And of course, countries all around the world are trying to set up a new financial system for all of those reasons, as well as a $38 trillion and climbing of debt that we've got.
I think that this time is completely different.
I think so, too.
And that's a great point to bring up.
You remember 2011 and Ben Bernanke came out and said, oh, hey, we won't do that with TARP funds and everything.
We've bailed out the big banks after 2008, 2009.
And so about 2011, gold hit over $1,900 an ounce and silver hit 50.
So it didn't break its all-time high at that time.
That was a metric.
People were putting their moving funds into physical gold and silver.
It was driving those prices up.
And Ben Bernanke said, We won't do that again.
We have everything stabilized.
The markets are going to be.
Sorry, we caused the Great Depression.
Finally, we won't do it again.
Yes, we did.
We did 1929, but we won't do this again.
And you're right.
It's a different world now.
And I don't think they are going to pull a rabbit out of their hat, but it won't be the fiat rabbit.
I think that they're going to do something.
I think they're going to reprice everything.
There's going to be a great devaluation and a revaluation in some way.
I don't have all the answers to that.
I'm just, this is what I'm reading in between.
I think stablecoining with commodities, gold, silver, maybe even Bitcoin.
And it'll have a lot to do with the digitization of our currency, David.
I think it'll have something to do with the stablecoin, the public-private partnership thing that they're doing.
Again, I don't have all the answers to that, but it won't be a fiat rabbit, but they are going to do something.
It will be a magic trick.
Yeah, I agree.
I think it's going to be something about stablecoin.
And I think they'll even, as they're doing now, they're putting in real estate and gold into Tether and some of these other ones holding that as well.
So they'll be able to pivot and use some of those things and try to give a reality to what will essentially be a fiat.
But that's the other side of this thing as well.
You know, we look at strictly the different financial things and how this is a loss of confidence that we, like we have never seen before, and justly a loss of confidence.
There's also the CBDC, the digital ID, the digital cash, the stablecoin, all those types of things, which to me, that is even more important and more enduring than the financial stuff.
Because to be able to have something that is physical, that is completely private, that is outside of the digital sphere and the traceability and the trackability of all that stuff, I think is, to me, that is the key thing.
It's not financial, but it's about privacy.
I agree.
It's very important to have something outside of this system.
And counterparty risk is another issue.
And if you've got lack of trust, that loss of trust that's happened, and this happens, you know, we're in a fourth turning.
So you're talking about institutional turnover and the end of certain old institutions and the beginnings of new ones, perhaps.
So trust is a factor.
And you hold that.
I was on a podcast last night.
I was showing them, I was like, I have a one-ounce gold eagle here on my desk.
And we bought here at the shop in Denison.
And this is mine, right?
I don't have to worry about what's on a ledger.
I don't have to worry about if the chairman of the board or that company is embezzling or whatever.
I own this, right?
And I know what that's worth.
So that's the issue with counterparty risk.
And in a world where trust is diminishing, it's very important to have something outside of the system.
And not everything can be outside of the system.
I mean, you have to trust your bank for the mortgage.
You have to trust your company that you get your car loan through.
As a matter of fact, I saw a metric today.
I think it was really telling, but car payments are at all-time highs.
That's because cars cost more than they ever have.
The pressure on consumers.
And that's been the thing that's been going through the financial press this last week was the concern about several companies that make car loans.
And a lot of people can't pay back their car loans now because they're underwater and financial things are getting difficult.
And they can't sell it because the cars depreciate so quickly.
And so there's even been a lot of articles coming out of the UK saying this could spread everywhere.
That's not even talking about the commercial real estate issues that Charles Linty has been talking about.
But they're talking about bank failures just because of subprime car loans and because of the massive expense of cars today.
Well, everything thrives off of debt.
But eventually somebody has to get paid back.
That's right.
You know, that's the problem with having an economy that's built off of cheap liquidity.
And we've been building that for a while now.
That's how they measure the metrics and that so-called health of the economy is lending and liquidity.
And so at some level, though, you have to pay it back.
That's what happened in 2008 and 2009.
Prices, because there was so much fiat floating around, prices went up because people bought cheap goods from overseas and whatever.
And the consumption went up, costs went up, and you had then eventually had to make a decision whether you're going to put gas on your car or pay your mortgage.
And people put gas in the car because it was $4 a gallon at one point.
And that caused a cascading effect of defaults.
So I think that's another issue.
You're absolutely right, whether it's the commercial real estate crisis that's on the horizon or whether it's just a consumer debt issue with defaults coming in through the system.
Those kind of things can set off a firestorm.
And as volatile as everything is, I mean, one day we'll wake up.
We're going to put 100% tariffs on China and the markets tank.
This is not something that we've been through before.
We also do that.
And you've got the weaponization of the fiat dollar system worldwide and the de-dollarization happening rapidly.
So you're loss of purchasing power.
I mean, David, gold against the dollar, the dollar has lost 50% of its purchasing power against gold in the last year alone.
50%.
Yeah.
That's just a, so this isn't this isn't normal what we're watching.
And I think well, and again, if you look at what Scott Besant did, you know, this outrageous thing that they're doing with Argentina, because they're more concerned about Argentina than they are America and the harm that Trump has inflicted on them with his temper tariffs, they decided that they're going to do currency swaps and they're going to stabilize the Argentine peso.
And those things didn't do anything.
So again, their magic weapon, you know, the almighty dollar that they've used to manipulate everything foreign and domestic, they start using that weapon and they find out that they're shooting blanks in Argentina.
It had no effect whatsoever.
And I think that was a very telling moment that not too many people talked about.
But, you know, Trump is the perfect president for this time for these people to have picked.
Because as all these different things are coming together, we've got this confluence of different factors that are economically ruinous.
He's going to be the guy who doesn't care as long as his name is on a building somewhere or he can build a ballroom somewhere.
He doesn't care.
That's what Wilbur Ross said about him with the Rothschilds.
He said, look at this.
This guy is so popular, we can use him.
And furthermore, he doesn't really care about running the casino stuff as long as his name is on the building.
And so we can massage his ego and we can work with him on that.
And that's basically what I think the globalists have looked at Trump and decided that they've got a guy here who will just go along with whatever is happening and not care or understand if he does understand, he doesn't care what is really happening.
I think that's pretty apparent.
We've gone through, I mean, this is the second time he's run the economy, and I don't understand why we're not promoting free markets and liberty.
And if you wanted to actually make the United States economy strong, you start incentivizing people to build things, to put capital investments in.
You know, you would start talking about eliminating certain regulations or the tax code in general.
You would go after that.
But we never do any of those things.
And that's really the tell.
That's right.
If you wanted to put the United States as the most competitive nation in the world and get people from all over the planet to build things here and make things here and put their capital here, you just eliminate stuff like the corporate income tax.
That'd be a great way to start.
And you could do that, you know, with it because you have a Republican Senate and they have a Republican House and you've got the presidency.
If you're really serious, you could do that.
And that's all theory, I know.
But instead, he'd rather manipulate the financial markets, which tells you who's controlling him.
They come up with these financial schemes and different ways to finesse things financially rather than getting rid of the fundamental problems, which are, I should point out, regulation and things like that.
That is, the government boot is still on the neck of the businesses that he said were not essential.
And so it's always some new trick, some manipulation, some instead of a fiat currency, a fiat order is about taxes or this or that.
So, yeah, the fiat tariffs are going to destroy the fiat currency.
I agree with that.
And that's alarming.
That was kind of the black swan event coming out of 2024 and into 2025, the threat of tariffs on commodities.
And that's when I think that's when this whole thing started to the dam broke.
Because you're right about last year, you and I were talking, gold and silver was on sale because we're going to have this massive crypto boom.
They're going to have a strategic Bitcoin reserve and all the stuff that's going to happen with crypto.
And you don't need that gold and silver because the markets are going to be so crazy.
Well, they weren't.
We went out and said, hey, let's tariff.
And not that I'm opposed to tariff, especially when they're strategic, but it wasn't.
It was blanketing.
No, it wasn't.
And it was just based on his mood that morning or last night or whatever.
Because you can't depend on.
Yeah.
Somebody said something that got him upset.
Okay, 100% tariffs now back on China.
And so that was what all these different cattle associations were saying, one after the other.
And they said, you know, we've got to have stability.
We've got to have stability in prices.
We've got to have transparency so people know what that's going to be.
And we can't have this constant chaos and this whiplash back and forth.
It's destroying everything, not just the cattle industry.
And I pointed out, you know, that's what the Chicago Board of Trade was set up to do, to make sure that farmers knew what the price was going to be when they brought their produce to market in a few months.
Trump is destroying all of this for every kind of business, not just the agricultural business, but also for manufacturing, for retail, for large and small.
Nobody knows what's going on because he's just constantly whipping things back and forth.
It's just total chaos.
It's total chaos for chaos's sake.
Yeah.
That's what that's to me.
That's the only explanation is just creative destruction and hiding behind the guise of this is there's a plan here.
There's no plan to help you anyway.
And I see people struggling.
That's what, you know, primarily that's what I see right now.
And I see it in the markets and I see it in people that are selling products to me.
I see it out on the street when I'm working taking stuff to the bank or anything that I'm interacting with the public.
I see what's going on and it's not a healthy economy.
And there's more, I think, turmoil ahead.
That's right.
The plan is for you to trust them because the plan is a con game that's a bunch of con men.
And that's why I'm very concerned about this con that is a stable coin.
They're not tying it to stable things.
And it's not a coin.
All this stuff is just one thing after the other, one con game after the other.
Well, tell us a little bit about it.
I know you've been super busy at Wise Wolf.
Tell us a little bit about what's going on there, what you're into right now.
Well, I think the name of the game right now is going to be supply and speed and the ability to continue to transact business.
It's getting a little bit harder to do, but not impossible.
And I've built my business to be able to sustain.
I didn't quite plan just for this, but in something that was akin to this.
And so right now, just trying to keep everything supplied and make sure people get products.
I think that the lull in prices will allow things to cool off a bit.
But it wouldn't surprise me at all if we have another run here soon, especially if geopolitically, if there's any sort of tension or break in the patterns that we're seeing right now with trade talks or if there's anything on the horizon for any sort of tension, metals are still primed to go.
You could have some more pullback too, but to me, it's not about the investment side of it.
It's more watching this.
You're right, you mentioned earlier about it.
I think there is a number that if gold hits, that it starts showing the, I mean, it is showing the weakness of the dollar, but I think that that's when it eclipses the dollar and becomes the gold supplants the dollar once and for all as the most held reserve asset.
And once that happens, I mean, there's going to be some real consequences internally for us economically.
And it may have a cascading effect.
I'm not sure.
But I think that price is probably somewhere, like you said, in about the mid-5000s.
I think that's when you'll see central banks that will eclipse that most held reserve asset.
So I'm watching everything leading up to that.
David's kind of planning for what's next, but we're just digging in.
I'm definitely not doing any more locations.
And of course, Jamie Demon said that this last week.
Well, I could see gold going $5,000 to $10,000 an ounce, but he said, I'm not going to buy any of it.
So he's not trying to get people to buy gold or silver, but he could see that happening.
And that's on the low end where you have a major disruption in the world's financial systems.
But of course, the major disruption in the financial system is a self-inflicted wound both by Biden and also now by Trump.
All these sanctions that were done and war and talk about war is another thing that also drives gold.
So you stop and think about the fiscal policy, the debt, what the Federal Reserve is doing with interest rates.
All these different things are affecting the price of gold.
Wars affect the price of gold.
And then, of course, you've got this other factor, which is trying to set up some kind of a digital currency that's going.
All these things are driving people into gold and silver, I think.
Yeah.
So many factors.
And, you know, I think the big picture, and you look at all of the rest of the supposed wealth in the world and what a fraction of a fraction the actual gold market is.
We've just, we've just begun.
Same thing with Bitcoin and silver.
We've just begun to get the market share of this revolution in money that's going on right now.
And they're going to do a new valuation coming.
There's going to be a devaluation of the old and a revaluation of the new, and they'll take these commodities will be repriced.
I don't know what the price is going to be, but definitely do something new.
And we're just, we're in this stream of history.
It's interesting, David.
It's a privilege to be here.
Yeah, and you've got to be very careful and move very quickly because, I mean, you know, the largest silver refiner in India can't get a hold of any silver, and the London markets are out of it.
I mean, things are going to get really difficult.
So it's a great way to gradually save money, put it into some asset that is not a rapidly depreciating asset.
And again, Wise Wolf Gold and their Wolf Pack is one way that you can do that.
Great way to gradually save money and to start trying to get yourself into having a little bit of a nest egg and a little bit of a backup plan there.
And I know a lot of people who have benefited from it.
We've benefited from it.
We've had some people who have sent us some things from Wise Wolf.
I'm really appreciative of that.
And so it's a great thing.
We've been able to see the kind of work that you do.
Appreciate what you do, Tony.
Appreciate your support for the program as well.
Well, I appreciate you, David.
Thank you.
Do you have any broadcast?
Usually on a Thursday, you've got a broadcast that's coming up, but you haven't been able to do the broadcast.
I haven't been able to do my show.
I've had to run best of it.
And I think maybe next week we'll have a new show.
But today I've got interviews as soon as I leave this show and I've got the shop opening up.
So I'm going to be busy.
Well, I appreciate, I know how busy you are, so I appreciate you taking the time to come on.
It's always great talking to you.
I love your insights.
Tony Ardeman of Wise Wolf Gold.
And you can get to Tony if you go to davidknight.cold.
That'll let him know that you came through us.
Thank you so much, Tony.
Appreciate it.
See you guys soon.
All right.
Take care.
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They created Common Past to track and control us.
Their Commons project to make sure the commoners own nothing in the communist future.
They see the common man as simple, unsophisticated, ordinary.
But each of us has worth and dignity created in the image of God.
That is what we have in common.
That is what they want to take away.
Their most powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation.
They desire to know everything about us while they hide everything from us.
It's time to turn that around and expose what they want to hide.
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