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	In a world of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
	It's the David Knight Show.
	David Knight Show.
	How's the clock strikes 13?
	It's the 7th of October, Year of Our Lord 2025.
	We're going to take a look today at some new information about uh Jeffrey Epstein.
	Uh there's been some uh an independent uh data mining company found that there's a lot more activity at Epstein Island in terms of flights there uh than we've ever seen before.
	Not a couple of hundred people, several thousand.
	And he broke it down as to where they are coming from, the general areas where they're coming from.
	It's kind of what you would suspect here.
	So we're gonna take a look at that as the Supreme Court makes its ruling about Glenn Maxwell.
	It looks like uh she's gonna have to send a message.
	Help me, Obi Don.
	You're my only hope.
	Uh it's it's a pardon from Don or nothing for her.
	So we're gonna take a look at all of that as well as um the news and uh how things happening um uh with this peace in Israel.
	We have uh an interesting interview coming up in the third hour.
	Man who's written a new biography about FDR.
	And uh you might say, well, what what could be new about this?
	It is an excellent compelling book.
	And it has a lot of parallels to this time that we're in right now in this fourth turning presidency.
	We'll be right back.
	We'll be right back.
	Well, it wasn't that many years ago that we had David Petraeus.
	What was it about 2012, 2013, when he came out as uh this is the guy who was part of the Afghan surge.
	He was a genius that we were told was going to be responsible for us winning the Afghan war.
	That didn't happen.
	Uh but before he went to KKR and uh became a Bilderberg regular, they put him at the CIA and he came out and said, uh, before long, uh your refrigerator's gonna be listening to you.
	Well, if only it stopped at just that.
	Now we have Samsung on its high level uh refrigerators.
	These are refrigerators that are uh full surveillance mode, which you pay extra for, right?
	These refrigerators that cost up to like three thousand dollars.
	Uh between seventeen hundred and thirty-three hundred dollars.
	And for that kind of money, what you get as a refrigerator that I always spies on you, but it sends you ads all the time.
	So when you walk in the kitchen, it is serving you ads, and there's no way to turn that off unless you want to turn off the other smart features.
	And I'm thinking, exactly why do I have to have a computer and smart features on a refrigerator?
	This is kind of a set it and forget it type of thing.
	Can you think of anything?
	Refrigerators have seemed like kind of a solved technology for a while now.
	You don't really need anything else.
	You need a box that keeps things cold.
	Yeah.
	I don't need a TV.
	You got one job.
	Can you do that?
	Yeah.
	I need better shelf organization, maybe.
	Uh what I don't need is a lot of electronics, unless they're trying to start a new cold war.
	And uh that's real, yeah.
	How sturdy is that screen?
	Because uh it's constantly getting slammed, right?
	It's getting slammed, and if you have children, they're going to bang on things.
	Oh, yeah.
	They're going to try to climb to figure that out, aren't we?
	Yeah.
	The age that he's in, he's getting in all the cabinets and anything that can be opened and slammed Will be opened and slammed.
	Yeah.
	Going to my office now, and everything's either on the floor or thrown up on top of something disorganized to get out of his reach.
	So uh anyway, it's over the air software updates.
	We'll serve as an ad pilot program on the Family Hub refrigerators.
	You know, Samsung has been really been in the lead in terms of intrusive appliances, you know, TVs that spy on you and all the rest of this.
	Uh but um it's um so it's designed to strengthen the everyday value of these home appliances for customers.
	No, it's gonna strengthen the everyday value of ad revenue for Samsung is what this is really about.
	You don't get a cut of that.
	Doesn't seem like users can entirely turn off the ads unless you completely disconnect the fridge from the internet.
	Why would I want to have refrigerator on the internet anymore?
	But it goes, but then you lose all those smart features that you paid for that you paid thousands of dollars extra for.
	You can't wait for someone to hack my fridge and start using it to mine crypto or something like that.
	Yeah, there you go.
	Well, let's hope, says this article from uh Zero Hedge that with the arrival of humanoid robots in homes, likely by the end of the decade or the early 2030s, these bots don't become the ultimate ad trackers that bombard consumers to targeted ads on other devices inside their own homes.
	Just imagine C3PO and RCA.
	Hello, would you like to buy?
	By the way, did I tell you, you know, the C3PO's voice uh there's another product for that, you know, it's kind of like the Truman Show or something, ad placement all the time.
	You're like, what's going on with this?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Fridge probably play ads.
	Obviously, they're going to have these robots that know everything about you placemads.
	Oh, yeah, that's right.
	Yeah, it's not the ads, uh the ads are nuisance, but the government is the danger.
	We suspect an incoming ad infestation is creeping into vehicle infotainment systems, which is why it might be wise to buy an old Mercedes diesel.
	These people are coming along the lines of Eric Peters here.
	Um because uh it's uh you know, it is just uh as he calls these things, they're devices, right?
	So now they're making the uh refrigerator instead of an appliance, they're making it a device.
	By the way, here's some more bad corporate ideas.
	Uh Cracker Barrel, uh, however, has finally dumped the ad agency that was responsible for the logo change stuff.
	But they still have the same CEO kicked this whole thing off.
	And uh You need to get rid of the idiot that hired the idiot.
	Yeah, yeah, that's uh kind of throw these people out there as scapegoats.
	Uh the CEO Julie Messino gets to keep her job.
	Uh it was only the logo thing that was a problem, but it was the redesign of the restaurant that was a bigger issue than the logo, by the way, you know.
	But in just uh a week after they did the l new logo, they lost a hundred million dollars in stock market cap.
	Uh so uh this has been a running trend with businesses, just redesigning their logos to be more and more minimalistic.
	You know, you had Dunkin' Donuts and went to Duncan, and now it's just the two Ds next to each other.
	Just what's the why?
	I don't know, yeah, it's uh dumbing down.
	Well, communities will not survive in California, they're saying, because of the insurance companies, insurance insurance companies are making homeownership literally unaffordable.
	It's unbelievable what some of these people are paying for insurance.
	One person's insurance bill went from 17,000 a year, which I thought was outrageous, to 72,000 a year.
	I mean, that's like six thousand dollars a month just in insurance.
	That doesn't cover your mortgage or taxes or anything else like that.
	And uh these are especially uh hard hit in rural areas.
	They're going in and uh telling people they're going around like inspectors looking at things and saying, you've got to fix this on your house or that on your house, you gotta replace your roof.
	And uh one person just ignored it and then they started to cancel her insurance.
	And so she challenged it.
	And there was nothing wrong with her roof.
	They were just trying to intimidate people.
	And uh this is the type of thing that I have seen down in uh Tampa.
	This was what the uh mayor in Tampa, Sandy Friedman, was doing.
	A lot of the people who own property down there called her Sandlot Friedman because what she was doing was going in and using nuisance regulations to uh put confiscatory fees and start compounding them on people.
	You're in violation of this or that.
	I tend to find most regulations are nuisances.
	Well, yeah, but but I mean, this is to the extent your um your house needs to be repainted, you know.
	Uh one lady that was there when my sister went down, she was managing uh some houses that uh my dad had sold the mortgages a long time ago to some some people.
	They were small houses, and the people who bought it were poor and elderly.
	They didn't know how to deal with this, so they called her and she went down to help them.
	And uh they had an old lady who said um you know she had an alleyway behind her house, and she said somebody had dropped a partial railroad tie on it, and she couldn't remove it because it was too heavy for her.
	So she called the city and asked them to remove it.
	So the city sends out some inspectors, and rather than remove it for her, they issued a fine and said, you know, well, this is gonna cost you you know like a hundred dollars a day until you remove it.
	And uh they would do that type of thing until it got up to a certain level, and then they would just confiscate the property for the fines that they had assessed against it.
	And so the property owners are starting to push back, and a um they created an organization to push back against this, and there was somebody there at that hearing, and uh she starts to talk about that and lays out what I just told you, and the judge says, Well, is the railroad tie on your property or not?
	And somebody stood up and said, Don't answer that.
	They'll steal your steal your home for answering that.
	So we've seen that type of thing being done by governments, but of course, this is an insurance company that was um California uh put all kinds of requirements on the uh insurance companies, and rather than maintaining public areas and getting the deadwood out of the public areas, which is you know, they've allowed those fire hazards to multiply, and so they put extra uh restrictions on the private companies.
	So a lot of the private companies just said, fine, we won't do any insurance in California.
	So they created this uh organization, the state of California did, and it's this state organization that is doing what we saw the uh property owner uh not property owner association, but the people that were harassing the property owners were associated with the government in Tampa.
	And that's what they're doing in California.
	Uh they're going into the rural areas of Northern California where they have a lot of rain.
	It's not the dry part of California.
	And um they are uh ramping up the insurance and treating it as if it was like Southern California with the dryness that is down there, and uh especially going around and telling people if they've got a home out in the rural area, you can't stack the wood anywhere close to your home.
	You know, get it get it way, way, way far away.
	If you have it close to your home, that's it.
	We're gonna condemn your home.
	But uh this just shows the danger, I think.
	Uh what they're talking about is the California Fair Plan, uh, which comes with very high deductibles and very limited gov uh coverage.
	Basically, you're only covered for fire, and that's about it.
	They don't cover any other uh property damage that would be there for your home.
	So they don't cover the mudslides, the earthquakes, or any of the other acts of God that California's regularly hit with.
	Yeah, this is that reminds me of uh of uh George Carlin in his early days.
	He had the hippie dippy weatherman.
	He's talking about how there was uh you know, this front was moving in from this direction, this other one was moving in.
	It looks like they're headed for some general smiting.
	But uh anyway, this is uh again a failure of government to you know to uh in every regard by ignoring the marketplace, by ignoring maintenance of the land that is under their control, and all this is government failure, and it's coming down on the heads of the people who are there.
	It truly is amazing to see that hit.
	Well, Trump is gonna be marking his 80th birthday as the U.S. marks its 250th anniversary, and uh he's come up with an interesting way to celebrate it.
	Uh you know, he's always been a WWE guy before, but now he's gonna go to UFC, the ultimate fighting con test, I guess, is what it stands for.
	Boy, I sure do love watching some sweaty Chechens wrestle each other.
	Yeah, well, Connor McGregor's gonna be there, so they'll at least have been an Irishman wrestling with Chechens.
	Who's that guy?
	But um yeah, he's gonna set this up at the White House.
	Uh we've world class act here.
	We got is it gonna be in the ballroom?
	I don't know.
	He doesn't have the ballroom ready yet.
	They're gonna set up a giant octagon.
	Um I don't know maybe that's a standard thing that they do with UFC stuff.
	No, it's the White House octagon, not the ballroom.
	Yeah, the White House uh cage match.
	So he puts former cabinet members.
	Oh, yes, the historic octagon.
	Right next to the Oval Office in the Pinterest.
	As all that is happening, you have uh uh the Guardian trying to make the case that the president is unhinged.
	And I think he can make that case pretty easily, except they don't really go there.
	They uh are looking at very minor things, you know.
	This is kind of like all the lawfare against him for all this ridiculous stuff when in fact, you know, he had done the lockdown and the stimulus checks and all these other things.
	He had violated the Constitution in amazing ways.
	He should have been impeached for what he did in 2020 with uh COVID pandemic stuff.
	But instead, you know, they come after him for some petty stuff, and that's the way the Guardian comes after him.
	I guess we can say that uh Trump derangement syndrome is real and alive still.
	They want to get really petty over a lot of these different things rather than uh pay attention to the real stuff, to the important stuff.
	As the government shutdown loomed in the U.S. last week, the president posted an AI video which depicted Hakeem Jeffries, the first black house minority leader, wearing a sombrero and exaggerated mustache with mariachi music playing in the background.
	Hey, uh, you know, they guardian needs to get a life.
	They thought that this was racist and dangerous.
	That's their terms, right?
	Uh you guys need to grow up.
	I still have a medbed video, which was far weirder.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Well, they also mentioned that one.
	And um uh and that one I think does bring up some interesting points because I mean, clearly that meme video was a joke, and they can't take a joke.
	They call it racist and dangerous and so forth and reprehensible.
	Also, I think we're past the point where having a first black this or first black that uh means anything.
	Yeah.
	You guys, it's who cares.
	Yeah, I know.
	You know, let's let's stop with all the firsts and everything.
	Can he do the job or not?
	You know, that's the issue.
	So um when you talk about the med ved bed thing, uh we'll play a little bit of that, Lance.
	If you got it.
	But um, anyway, the uh the video President Donald J. Trump has announced it has This is his daughter-in-law, except it's not, it's an AI version.
	America's first medbed hospitals and a national medbed card for every citizen.
	Every American will soon receive their own medbed card.
	With it, you'll have guaranteed access to our new.
	And this obviously is not Trump.
	It's an AI Trump equipped with the case.
	But so the question is technology in the world.
	Fake video of him saying things that he never said before, and his daughter-in-law as well strength.
	This is the beginning of a new era in American health care.
	In this, okay.
	Well, that's enough of that.
	But uh as we pointed out, the medbed thing is this uh QAnon nonsense too.
	So maybe that had something to do with him tweeting it out.
	So he puts that out.
	And then he pulls it down later.
	And when uh Caroline Lovett was questioned about that, she said, Well, um, the president saw the video and he posted it, and then he took it down.
	It's like, yeah, well, uh, why did he post it if he saw it?
	He saw that he was there fake.
	Does he believe that the government is about to send out med beds to everybody?
	Is that the way he tweeted it out?
	Uh but uh then they kind of touch a little bit on the uh Tylenol thing.
	But again, as the Guardian uh is guarding the uh pharmaceutical companies among other things, they're not really going to get the heart of the issue.
	The real issue with the Tylenol thing is the fact that's being used as a red herring.
	Uh this is uh the kind of betrayal, uh I see it as a betrayal, not as dementia.
	Uh they're trying to portray everything there as dementia and say, you know, well, yeah, so he said that about Biden, but it's true about him.
	Well uh he did confuse Albania with Armenia, which as an American I can understand.
	I'm sure given the state of Eastern Europe, these two countries hate each other deeply, but no one else will be able to tear tell them apart.
	Yeah.
	That is the essence of Eastern European politics.
	These two countries that are nearly identical border each other, and they despise each other for no particular reason.
	Uh so you know, he will talk about that and he will send troops into situations like that.
	He doesn't even know the names of the countries.
	Uh that's that's American foreign policy.
	That's our master stroke of the American Empire.
	We're picking aside.
	I don't know anything about it.
	We're throwing darts in aboard.
	That's right.
	So um he wrote on Truth Social that he'd been briefed on a shooting at the Mormon church in Michigan that killed four people.
	The Trump administration will keep the public posted as we always do, he wrote.
	But when he posted again in a couple of hours, um it was a video about the gold fixtures and fittings that he had put into the White House.
	Some of the highest quality 24 karat gold used in the Oval Office in the cabinet room of the White House.
	Foreign leaders and everyone else freak out when they see the quality and the beauty.
	Best oval office ever.
	So again, the uh president's in-person appearances have also become odd.
	You know, I I I look at this litany of issues that the Guardian and the left have with Trump and ask, you know, but what about the Constitution?
	Does that matter to you?
	Does it matter to you what he's done to the Constitution?
	They're torqued out of shape about the fact that he has focused on gilding the Oval Office.
	But what about the Constitution that he is gilding?
	Uh so if they want to try criticizing that it certainly is a uh target rich environment.
	But instead they talk about this uh sending troops into the cities, but they're worried about this video here.
	Oh, look, if you put a mustache and sombrero on someone, therefore.
	La cucarage.
	Yeah, that is not amazing.
	You talk about the irrelevance of both sides here with this stuff.
	Uh so when he addressed the top militaries, I pointed out, it was really strange.
	This what he calls weaving and everything is really just kind of rambling.
	It's not it's not weaving, and it's it's uh irrelevant to what he's really talking about.
	When he started going on this long discourse about the firemen, the firemen up there, they're getting shot at.
	It's a great job.
	I love my firemen because my firemen love me.
	They vote for me in large numbers.
	So he's electric pays millions of dollars to bring all the top brass the military from all over the world, where they shouldn't be anyway.
	Uh, and uh then um brings them in to like to talk to them about the firemen.
	And uh of course he says um other things that he said America's respected again as a country, not respected with Biden.
	They looked at him, falling downstairs every day.
	Every day this guy was falling downstairs.
	I walk very slowly.
	Nobody has to set a record, but try not to fall, because it doesn't work out well.
	A few of our presidents have fallen and it became a part of their legacy.
	We don't want that.
	Need to walk nice and easy.
	Uh you not have you don't have to set any record, he said.
	Be cool, be cool when you walk down, but don't don't bop down the steps.
	And he talks about how Obama used to do that.
	Uh but I wouldn't try that.
	Uh so again, this is the people come in for this and he's he's he's rambling on about how he has to be careful going up and downstairs because he doesn't want to look like Biden and uh talking about his beloved fireman that he has to uh hold in steam.
	But here's really sound like Biden.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they're starting to merge.
	Like I said, it's a uni party.
	It's uh a uni geriatric party.
	Uh one one party run by very old men here.
	Anytime you bring up something like this.
	Remember that article you covered years ago from the pharmacist that works in DC.
	Oh, yeah.
	Talking about you would not believe the prescriptions I fill for these people, the intense medication some of these guys are on.
	They're just out to lunch.
	That was a major, major article.
	And Drudge carried it, and it was nobody paid any attention to it, nobody read it.
	It was a huge article.
	And now it's vanished.
	I've tried looking it up since then and I can't find it.
	I'm sure it's still there.
	Oh, I bet they deep six to that thing for sure.
	Yeah, Google is a search engine designed to hide things, and I think uh most of these search engines are now at this point.
	I tend to use Yandex most of the time.
	It's pretty good about pulling things.
	But the document itself may be gone.
	And what Travis is talking about was article, I think it was done by the Washington Post.
	I think you might be right.
	Um I'm not sure, but I think it was done by them.
	And uh and it was really not the main focus.
	Uh the main focus was um, you know, the fact that the House members have got all these special services and everything and how they work.
	And the main focus was a guy who had he was uh elderly and he had done this work for ages and ages and ages, you know.
	They've got their own special pharmacy there.
	And just as an aside, you know, about twenty pages into this article, he said, uh, and yeah, you know, it's amazing when I see the prescriptions that are coming in there for some of these people.
	He goes, It makes you wonder how they can even get into the building.
	So I was like, well, that explains some of the things that we've seen from some of these people here.
	But uh that that's been uh deep six, I guess, huh?
	Memory hold.
	I can't find it.
	It's just every single politician is determined to pull a Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
	Yes, stay in there for as long as they can.
	Die in office is impossible.
	Well, because that's what gives meaning to their life.
	They don't have any meaning to their life outside of that, and uh, it's why they're so dangerous.
	Uh well, talking about danger.
	OSHA has one job, doesn't it?
	Supposedly, OSHA is supposed to be the uh uh about all about safety, occupational safety and so forth.
	And you know, we saw OSHA violate all of its own rules during the so-called pandemic.
	They had rules about wearing masks if you were working in a very dusty environment, you know, like if you're clearing up 9-11 waste and uh uh debris in New York after the collapse.
	You should wear a mask uh because otherwise you're gonna breathe in a lot of stuff that's going to cause you long-term health issues and eventually kill you.
	So people who are working in dusty environments, OSHA had requirements for them to wear masks, however, and it was these same N95 masks, and they said, however, after 20 minutes, you've got to give the people a break, and they've got to be able to get out and take that mask on.
	And they completely ignored all of that during the uh Trump pandemic lockdown.
	They said you keep that mask on all day.
	And so now we find out this is uh exclusive from Children's Health Defense.
	OSHA admits that it told health care employers not to report COVID vaccine injuries.
	A whistleblower alerted the defender, an OSHA spokesperson confirmed an internal directive telling health care employers, in other words, hospitals, etc., not to report or to track COVID-19 vaccine injuries.
	And again, this is um going back to the Harvard study, it was only one percent of the what they found with their study was only about one percent of the vaccine injuries were reported to the VAIRES database.
	And uh that's supposed to be adverse events reporting system, vaccine adverse events report since VARES.
	And it's only about one percent were reported.
	And uh yet we all knew that it was much worse with the COVID situation.
	Not only did they make it difficult so people wouldn't report this stuff, but they actively told them not to.
	And here you've got OSHA, the people who are supposed to be about safety, all about safety.
	Safety is in their name.
	Safety is their middle name, you could say it literally is.
	And yet they said, don't report these dangerous vaccines to anybody.
	Uh they removed the policy from their website after the defender inquired about it.
	Critic, but they were able to get a backup version of it.
	And um uh so they they got the archive version.
	That's one of the reasons why they really hate the uh Internet His um what is it, Internet Historian?
	It's the way back machine.
	Internet archive, yeah, the way back machine.
	Internet historian is the YouTube channel.
	That's right.
	One of my favorite.
	That's uh that's a good good uh video there.
	But anyway, uh critics said the directive concealed the scope of vaccine injuries and made it difficult for injured workers to obtain workers' comp or disability benefits.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Uh so again, they violate their own rules and then they go even further and say don't put it in there.
	That's why when I said, if on the VARES database, they have 38,000 people who died after getting the vaccine.
	Stop and think about that.
	We've had vaccines killed nationwide uh because we had nine people that were injured by it, and uh not even necessarily killed.
	And now we got 38,000, and we don't do anything about it.
	And guess what?
	That is far less than one percent.
	If it was just one percent, that'd mean that we had 3.8 million deaths, and they're not gonna pull this thing off.
	That shows you the clutch, the the the way that Albert Borla and the big pharmaceutical companies, that shows you the pull and the power they have with Donald Trump.
	Donald J. Trump.
	Jay for jerk.
	The uh federal agency exempted health care employers from reporting workers' adverse reactions to mandated COVID-19 vaccines.
	Uh OSHA issued the directive uh in 2021, June of 2021, to encourage vaccination during the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Oh, well, Biden was in office, yeah.
	But who cheered all this stuff constantly?
	Trump.
	Even when he was running for re-election 2024, he was still cheering this for the longest period of time, and he will still do it if you confront him.
	He'll still tell you that he saved millions of lives and that he was the one who turned everything around with the vaccine.
	He certainly did turn everything around with the vaccine.
	But uh he killed about four million people just in the U.S. alone, easily uh estimated here.
	The directive also stated that OSHA, a division of the U.S. Department of Labor, would not track workers' COVID vaccine adverse events, even though it acknowledged that the vaccine may cause injuries that would require employees to take time off.
	OSHA also outlined its COVID-19 reporting policy on its website under frequently asked questions page for COVID-19.
	What they had on their website, which is now what they removed after Children's Health Defense called them on it, they wrote on their website previously, OSHA does not wish to have any appearance of discouraging workers from receiving COVID-19 vaccination.
	Also does not wish to disincentivize employers' vaccination efforts.
	As a result, OSHA does not intend to enforce recording requirements to require any reporter to record worker side effects from COVID-19 vaccination.
	So, you know, don't say anything about this because we don't care what happens to people.
	We've got a goal, and that is to get as many people vaccinated as possible, and we really don't care about individual health.
	That's the way public health operates.
	Public health, public education, public safety.
	They're never about health education or safety.
	It's about government control.
	It's about treating you as subhuman.
	So a former medical coder for an Arizona hospital called OSHA's policy, especially inflammatory, said it was an admission that they knew that the vaccine was not safe, of course.
	And it carries a risk of injury serious enough to affect one's ability to work.
	Yeah, if you die, you're not going to be able to work.
	I mean, we're talking about four million people.
	That's not people that were injured, that's the people who were killed.
	Uh and the number of people that were injured, uh it's probably tens of millions that are out there.
	So, as to not discourage vaccination, employers are not required to record instances of adverse events to vaccinations on the OSHA 300 log effective through May of 2022, said the directive that they obtained.
	To require employers to report non-symptomatic COVID-19 cases, but not report severe adverse vaccine reactions diametrically contradicts OSHA's most basic purpose, safety.
	So just think about that.
	You um you would have to report to OSHA if somebody got a PCR procedure that said that they had COVID, even though they had no symptoms at all.
	But if somebody is sick or died from the vaccine, you don't report it.
	Doesn't that tell you everything about Donald Trump and this this whole fake pandemic stuff?
	That's it in a nutshell.
	The whole thing was an unbelievable scam.
	Even I still have a hard time believing this five years later, just how vicious these people were.
	This uncovered directive is just another example of a systemic willful blindness that pervaded the prior administration, said uh a guy for a legal affairs director for React 19, uh, advocating on behalf of COVID-19 vaccine injury victims.
	Well, previous administration?
	What about this administration?
	What about RFK Jr.?
	Why don't you stop this now?
	You should be banning this.
	Instead, you're out there misdirecting people about autism, telling them that it's from Tylenol or something else.
	They need to focus on this stuff.
	It is really a head fake.
	As I said before, RFK Jr. was used by Trump to get money from the vaccine companies so that he could uh get paid off by them and then do their bidding.
	And now he's being used, RFK Jr. is being used again by Trump to get the MAGA people to trust him.
	And he's not doing anything about this stuff.
	You've got poison that is killing people.
	And uh the best they can do is say, well, I don't recommend that.
	You know, I put poison, uh, hey, come here, little dog, yeah, just put some poison in your milk.
	But if I were you, I wouldn't take that milk.
	That's the best that they can do.
	I'm sure that's the problem.
	Personally, I don't like poison, but you're you know.
	Yeah, it's insane.
	I've shown that clip a million times.
	Anyway, uh, this alone is a scandal.
	A federal agency prioritizing vaccination propaganda over workplace safety and transparency.
	OSHA's mission is to ensure safe workplaces.
	By directing employers not to record vaccine injuries, they violated their own mandate and betrayed public trust.
	Well, name me one agency that doesn't do that.
	These unconstitutional agencies are there to serve themselves, to grow their little fiefdom, their little empire, their little bureaucracy, and they really don't care about you or their initial mission.
	Uh the directive is proof of a cover-up.
	By silencing injury reports, OSHA denied workers their rights, erased their suffering from the record, and shielded corporations from liability.
	And remember that while all this was happening, the rules that were put in by Donald Trump through CMS, uh, Medicare Medicaid, uh, we'll give you a bonus if you point at somebody and say that they got COVID.
	We'll give you another huge bonus if you put them on a ventilator.
	And then we'll give you a 20% bonus for everything that you charge them in the hospital because now they've been labeled as a COVID patient.
	I mean, they s this is so incredibly heavily subsidized and um incentivized financially.
	And then at the same time they come out and say, Well, we want to know if anybody is non-symptomatic but has had a PCR procedure that pointed the finger at them.
	But if they're sick and dying, we don't care.
	Don't tell us.
	We sh don't say anything about that.
	OSHA's policy for reporting COVID-19 vaccine reactions differs from the policies for reporting adverse events related to other shots, such as the smallpox vaccine.
	So they already had a lot of stuff about vaccinations on the OSHA site, talking about how we need to know if somebody has a reaction to this stuff.
	Uh, but again, they're not uh just the whole thing is so incredibly corrupt.
	How could anyone trust government?
	I'm just done with politics.
	I will never vote again.
	I uh well, I say never.
	I can't imagine a situation where anybody that I would ever vote for could even get on the ballot, let alone uh get into the debates.
	Anyone that I would vote for, they'd assassinate long before he got a chance to make it into office.
	That's right.
	People I vote for have been in jail.
	Uh so speaking of going to jail, James Comey, uh, his best bet may be the key figure in his defense, may be the guy that Trump had hired to investigate him, or at least that um his uh previous attorney general, Bill Barr had hired.
	This guy that we kept hearing about, Durham, Durham, Durham, Durham's gonna take care of it, and all the rest of the stuff, John Durham, former special counsel.
	He was brought in to investigate Russia Gate uh stuff and the former FBI official Comey during his four-year investigation.
	And as they're pointing out in this uh Ross story article, Durham, whose appointment Trump supported, told federal prosecutors investigating James Comey that he was unable to uncover evidence that would support false statements or obstruction charges against the former FBI director.
	So Trump's own guy invested in investigated him years ago.
	And uh he did not get indicted because the special prosecutor didn't find anything.
	So what Ross Story is saying is that uh this guy may be uh a key witness in defense of James Comey.
	But when we look at the James Comey thing, I think one of the things that really stood out to me over the weekend was this back and forth, the political drama about the PERP walk, right?
	This is one of the things that they do to people.
	I mean, they did to Roger Stone and they've done it to uh Steve Bannon and other things.
	When you do a perp walk with somebody who is not uh a dangerous criminal, you call the press up, and then you handcuff this person and you walk them out through the gauntlet of the press.
	So everybody can take pictures of them and you can start to portray this your political enemy as a criminal.
	Look, law enforcement's handcuffed this guy.
	He's obviously a criminal, right?
	So the purp walk is a purely political uh political theater move that is there.
	And uh so the fact that an FBI agent was supposedly relieved of duty, was fired because this FBI agent refused to do a perp walk of James Comey.
	And people were pushing back on Cash Patel, and his response was, well, you work uh you do what we tell you to do, basically, I'm paraphrasing him.
	You do what we tell you to do, and if you don't do what we tell you to do, you're fired.
	Uh he would neither confirm nor deny that the guy was fired, but many sources said that he was fired, and Cash Patel, when asked directly about it, would not say that he was uh not fired.
	Instead, he implied that the guy had been fired because he was insubordinate.
	Uh the order was to perp walk James Comey.
	So an FBI agent was relieved of duty for declining to arrange a perp walk of former director James Comey in front of news media camera cameras after Comey was federally charged last month.
	Four people briefed on the matter said on Friday.
	So uh Comey was charged on September the twenty-fifth of making false statements and obstructing a congressional investigation.
	An FBI spokesperson declined to comment on personnel matters.
	Reuters did not immediately determine how or when senior FBI officials warned to stage wanted to stage, bringing Comey into the Bureau's Washington field office.
	Only a summons to appear in court was issued in the case, not an arrest warrant.
	However, defendants will often report to an FBI office for booking after a court summons is issued.
	Trump has threatened to imprison his political rivals since he first ran for president in 2015, but this is the first time that he has uh sought and secured a grand jury indictment against one of them.
	Trump's Justice Department is also investigating others such as Letitia James and John Bolton.
	Uh so Cash Patel, in uh uh the kind of classy way that the guy has, uh when this stuff was reported about the perp walk, he called MSNBC a clown factory of disinformation, and um uh he got a little bit uh more explicitly vulgar with it.
	Uh but um yeah, it's um he said uh uh he put on X. I'm sorry, not on a he didn't put it on X, it was put on there by a former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan, wrote on X, DOJ policy prohibits perp walks in front of news media.
	And so then you had a lot of people replied to that, like Roger Stone, uh Navarro, Bannon.
	They said, Oh really?
	Uh then what happened to us?
	Uh this tells you, though, that uh this is a political theatrical prosecution.
	It's not real.
	Uh so um the FBI has now not just fired the guy who refused to perp walk him, but they have now supposedly fired finally the Southern Poverty Law Center, which is trying to do perp walks to anybody that they uh disagreed with on the right.
	You know, they call us racist, they put us on a hate map, and all the rest of this stuff.
	That was a a form of perp walk.
	And of course the FBI has always been aligned with them, but about ten years ago they claimed that they were no longer using the Southern Poverty Law Center.
	Now Cash Patel is claiming that they've severed all ties with them.
	So again, this is another one of these deals where they lie to us, like uh, you know, we don't have any mercury in the vaccines.
	And then you find out uh, you know, they they pushed that back for 20 years, and then you find out just recently, oh yes, they do.
	They do have mercury in the vaccines.
	But now they promise that they're gonna take it out of there.
	Do you believe that?
	Do you believe that they're not going to play the SPLC game anymore as well?
	Truly is amazing that um the guy whose only involvement in the civil rights movement, uh Morris Deese, who founded the Southern Poverty Law Center, his only involvement was to defend the KKK.
	Well, he was a lawyer.
	Then he sets it out, creates a direct mail company, and then gets the mailing list of the Democrats because he helps Carter, and he reinvents himself as being, you know, he sees now everybody he sees as KKK and uh treats them as such.
	So the question is, um uh in 2012, a domestic terrorist used the hate map to target the Family Research Council, a conservative Christian think tank in Washington, DC, planned to kill everyone in the building.
	A building manager largely foiled the attack, but suffered lifelong injuries in the process.
	And uh so they used that hate map uh was inspired that attack that was there.
	Remember the guy came in, and he thought they'd let him in if he came in with a bag of uh Chick-fil-A.
	I'm here to deliver Chick-fil-A when actually he was delivering bullets for people.
	The guy uh sussed out that he was uh uh crazy and engaged him and got injured with that.
	But uh that is a long-standing scam that has been run by the Southern Party Law Center as well as by the FBI.
	Well, Colonel McGregor says it looks like we're on a collision path with Iran yet again.
	This is a long interview that he had with Life Site News, and uh they asked him in the interview, I said, is the U.S. preparing for a larger war?
	Colonel Douglas McGregor said the potential for conflicts in Ukraine and in the Middle East with the with Iran to escalate out of control is huge.
	He said uh Trump with regard to the conflict in Ukraine has reversed his original stance of staying out of the conflict.
	He said a result of Trump's decision to adopt the Biden policy towards Moscow.
	Yeah, Trump is turned into Biden.
	And we're not talking about steps here.
	We're talking about the steps of Russia that he wants to get involved in.
	Trump has agreed to give Kiev U.S. intelligence to support strikes on energy infrastructure deep inside of Russia, of course, helping Ukraine take the war to Putin.
	Again, he is owned and controlled by the deep state, Trump is.
	So he's gonna do whatever the military industrial complex wants, whatever the CIA wants.
	Uh hundreds of top military officials in Quantico, Virginia, um, they asked him, this is life site asked him, uh, who flew in from all over the world, uh, what was the deeper meaning of this unusual move?
	Is this a straightening up of military culture in light of a possible impending larger war?
	Colonel McGregor answered, he said, POTUS is all about optics and glamour.
	The message regarding fitness and merit based advancement was genuine.
	But the rest was a stream of consciousness and unclear.
	That's exactly how you started rambling about steps and about firemen.
	Uh we are not ready to fight a major war at this point.
	To do so would be foolish and dangerous.
	Yeah, that is exactly what they're up to doing.
	So then they asked him of the reports uh that um activity is rising in the Department of War.
	Uh can you confirm this rumor?
	He says, Yes, U.S. forces are concentrating in ways reminiscent of the last conflict between Israel and Iran.
	It appears that we're on a collision path with Iran yet again.
	So they asked him, what would be the possible scenario of a larger war?
	And with whom would it start?
	And to where would it spread?
	Oh, everywhere.
	Uh he says the potential for conflicts in Ukraine and the Middle East with Iran to escalate out of control is huge.
	The recent French seizure of a Russian oil tanker at sea is an act of war.
	NATO is without leadership as a result of Trump's decision to adopt the Biden policy toward Moscow.
	They said that there's growing criticism of and resistance to Israel's policy towards Gaza.
	And uh he said, Well, Israel is losing popular support in the U.S., but it still controls Washington and the White House.
	Netanyahu must move soon or risk losing the unconditional support of the Greater Israel Project.
	The Islamic States in the Middle East and Egypt are aligning with China's backing and Russia's support.
	There's no incentive for Israel to compromise or delay action.
	So it looks like uh we're moving to war on multiple fronts, and when you look at the uh uh unilateral action of the French Navy, it does it pales in comparison to what uh Trump is doing with Venezuela, and he definitely wants to get involved in a war there.
	That's going to be a nice wag the dog distraction for him and give him a chance to virtuous signal about saving us all from drugs.
	And it's gonna be utter nonsense.
	You know it, I know it.
	Green Party and uh the UK is voting to Abolish landlords.
	Because they're communists, right?
	The Greens have always been watermelon communists.
	They have a thin veneer of green, and on the inside they're completely red.
	So what they're talking about doing is the telegraph has pointed out.
	Tenants would be given first right to buy when a landlord sells, with their total rent paid as discounted.
	So in other words, we're going to take all the rent that you paid over all the years, total of it, and they're going to apply that to the property cost.
	And government backed financing provided councils would give uh a second right to buy.
	The party also wants to introduce rent controls, abolish right to buy for public tenants, and end by to let mortgages.
	In other words, you um uh a mortgage where you would buy it so that you could uh make it rental property.
	No, we're not gonna give you a mortgage for that.
	So basically, the Green Party uh is full-on communist.
	That's what this is all really about.
	There's no other way to explain this.
	In a word, it's communism.
	Uh the notion that the landlords added no positive value to the economy or to society.
	That's full Marxism.
	And that the relationship between landlord and tenant is inherently and intrinsically extractive and exploitative.
	So that's uh where these people are coming from.
	We talk about how stupid the uh society is.
	Here's a uh how much did you pay to figure out what to name your son there?
	It was free.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Well, some people are paying up to thirty thousand dollars for advice on getting the perfect name for their child.
	Can you imagine?
	I guess the name I would give them would be something like what the Indians would do, son of sucker.
	Yeah, you know the sucker born every minute, isn't there?
	Uh son of big chief great fool.
	Yeah.
	Uh this woman is a um a consultant for baby naming.
	She's thirty-seven years old.
	Today she has over one hundred thousand followers on TikTok and Instagram, and a portfolio of more than five hundred names that she has curated for families.
	Her entry level service starts at two hundred dollars for an email of a personalized name suggestion, complete with meanings and popularity trends.
	For in-depth services, her prices soar.
	$10,000 package provides VIP treatment.
	What else could you do?
	Well, her most exclusive services, costing thirty thousand dollars, include everything from genealogical research to full baby name branding campaigns.
	Well, just um every person involved with this.
	I don't know what we should do with them, but they can't be left out in society.
	I refuse to be surrounded by these people any longer.
	It's a tell of utter helplessness.
	If you spend thirty thousand dollars on a baby name, you shouldn't be allowed to vote.
	It's that simple.
	Your vote does not count anymore.
	Well, if you're in the UK, the the answer is already simple.
	It's just Mohammed, right?
	It's just Mohammed.
	Uh one's popular.
	That's right, yeah.
	Uh Trump, they report is this is NBC News saying that his support among influential podcasters is waning.
	And so they talk about Joe Rogan and Theo Vaughn.
	It's like, you know, why did these people support him after what he did in 2020?
	And why would anybody take political advice or analysis from Joe Rogan or Theo Vaughn over anything?
	Uh but especially over Trump.
	Because uh can't you figure out what he did in 2020 and still was bragging about when he ran again?
	But these people supported him.
	And now, because I don't know, was it COVID?
	Was it Pfizer and Albert Borle?
	Was it Trump RX?
	Was it the wars?
	Was it the uh uh the no due process and setting up the drug wars, the invasion of police state into cities?
	Was it the censorship?
	Was it the on again, off again tariff lockdowns and destruction of our economy?
	Was it the Epstein files?
	You know, what was it that finally woke these people up?
	I don't know.
	It's like a multiple choice question.
	I think to me, he checks all of the boxes.
	And uh when we come back um uh we'll talk about some of that, but uh again, I just want to tell you that we have uh An interesting uh book that we're gonna be talking about uh in the third hour.
	Uh and there's a lot of parallels actually to the current fourth-turning executive, and that's the previous fourth-turning executive, FDR.
	Um, you know, this is a guy who ran as a peace candidate, who then got us involved in World War II.
	This is a guy who was very instrumental in the gold versus fiat struggle that was there, and uh set us on the path of Keynesian destruction.
	A guy who did a rapid expansion of a Leviathan federal government, very much like Trump is trying to do.
	A guy who was fully into surveillance and attacking free speech, and there was actually a revolt against him that joined both the left and the right against uh uh FDR.
	But he also used the FCC to censor and to control his critics.
	So this is uh a topic that uh as they say if you if you don't uh learn anything from history, you're destined to repeat it if you don't learn the lessons of history.
	And that is especially true of the fourth turning and the kind of great president uh that uh these these great men like FDR Lincoln and Trump who set us on these uh collision uh courses with uh history and with each other.
	And so I think this is a very um a timely book review, has some uh great reviews from people like Jim Bovard, who I respect a great deal.
	So that'll be coming up in the third hour.
	Let's talk a little bit about uh some of these comments here.
	Radisbro, thank you very much.
	We appreciate the tip.
	Imagine FBI killing Americans and setting up killers, terrorists, and no one had a problem with it, but perp walking comey is too far.
	That's right.
	That would be uncalled for.
	That'd be mean.
	Yeah, that's what the Guardian wants to focus on.
	Not the fact that we've had uh 300 people grapel out of black helicopters in Chicago and stick guns in the people's faces and throw flashbangs into apartments and rip kids out and put them into uh uh handcuffs.
	I mean that's that's just normal government as you can't be mean to James Comey.
	That's wrong.
	Dunalord.
	Everything they focus on.
	The perp walk of James Comey, where uh you know, the January 6th people were left in jail for all that time under Biden and uh That's right amazing.
	That's right.
	Dunalord 1337 says, I guess the refrigerators are going to monitor your waistline.
	Also says, LOL, someone has already hacked those types of refrigerators.
	That's great.
	That's one.
	I wonder how much control they have.
	Can they just turn up the heat in your refrigerator so all your food spoils?
	They'll die of Tamane poison, you know they eat that mayonnaise and uh just giving you gastrointestinal trouble all the time.
	Francine.
	It reminds me before you move on, it reminds me of that joke.
	I I don't know who it was, maybe George Carlin said you look in the refrigerator and you're trying to find something, and you pull this thing out, and you go, is that meat or is it cake?
	It's been there for so long.
	Maybe the refrigerator can answer that for you.
	Maybe it's uh hooked up to a large language model.
	Fred's government knowing what is in your fridge.
	I never imagined that.
	That's right.
	There's no information too inane or mundane that they won't collect.
	Be my Ballantine.
	Was it George Carlin who was looking in the fridge for a food item wondering, did something eat something else?
	Aye, Handy.
	Hospitals already know if you've been jabbed or not.
	So this question, are you up to date on your vaccines?
	Is that a gotcha?
	They know when your B card is valid or fake.
	Jerry Alatalo, whoever drafted that directive at OSHA to cover up COVID vaccine injuries, is in big trouble.
	I'll believe it when they're escorted to prison in handcuffs and leg irons.
	Yeah, they'll get a perp walk.
	Yeah.
	Right overture.
	OSHA is a toothless dog.
	It ain't what it pretends to be.
	We used to have a toothless dog.
	Possum King, zero arrest.
	Zaksa Boxa, 70 billion dollar deal with Pfizer for MRNA jabs is Kennedy Laughs with Mass Murderers.
	Yep, that's right.
	Yeah.
	They're with Albert Borla and Donald Trump, the mass murderers.
	KWD 68, Trump says he's reactivating the base at Bagram.
	You never know what his roulette wheel of stupidity will land on.
	Oh, big war, big war.
	Yeah, three-star of the Afghanistan war.
	Bulldog, we're in for a rude awakening by the UN agenda.
	This is bad.
	Yeah, I pulled that article up.
	So uh the UN wants to control how and what kids are taught like they own them.
	Yeah, UN is coming after homeschooling.
	It's on their agenda.
	Well, they have been for the longest time, you know, for upplayed that.
	Yeah.
	Uh The UN Convention for the Rights of the Child is where all this stuff that children have rights, and we have to separate them from their parents.
	This is what you're seeing working out in this transgender stuff.
	That's just one manifestation.
	That's the general rule, though, that children have rights, they should be treated like adults, adults should be treated like children.
	And because the children have understanding they can change their gender and they can do many other things.
	We have to separate the children from their parents.
	And that's why the um uh the there was the parental rights.org was set up to put it's like a only about a sentence.
	Uh they had uh come up with an idea that would be uh a um uh amendment to the constitution, and uh so I did some of those ads for them.
	But uh the UN has hated the family for the longest period of time.
	All the globists do, because uh again, that is God's institution and they are set and raging against God.
	And um so they have to destroy the family in order to destroy the children, and they hate humanity.
	If you hate humanity, you've got to destroy children.
	Yeah.
	That's their main mission.
	Tunnel and 337.
	Man, I wish we could import Russian arms and ammo again.
	Their stuff was cheap and nice.
	You could get an AK 100 series rifle, their current issued rifle for next to nothing back in the day.
	The prices on firearms has gone through the roof.
	It's truly amazing.
	I remember you know, you could used to be able to get a Mossberg 500 for you know 150, 200 or something like that.
	Especially ammunition costs.
	So anytime you want to go practice, it's like, well, better throw two hundred dollars down the drain.
	Just sh not that it's throwing it down the drain.
	It's a useful skill to have, but you you all understand what I'm saying.
	It's painful, it hurts.
	Bulldog, people don't understand how the UN works, they control your politicians to mandate their rules.
	That's right.
	It's also sort of a cyclical feedback.
	We s you know, our politicians are involved with the UN, so they can send legislation there, the UN can send it back.
	It's all a gigantic incestuous Gordian knot of corruption.
	Yeah, but when you look at things like it's like the family of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, uh trying to do gun control with the uh arms trade treaty that's there, but uh everything that we see out there, all the climate change stuff, of course, that came from the UN as well.
	The drug war came from the UN.
	They have been uh the seminal point of so much of this stuff.
	And the question is, you know, why does Trump stay in the UN if he's an anti-globalist?
	If he claims that he's against all the things that the UN has created, then why isn't he out of the UN?
	Well, that tells you right there, his actions uh are what you need to look at, not what the man says.
	Owdy, MRR.
	Have you guys seen the ICE recruitment videos?
	They want to turn the country into a friggin' perpetual war zone.
	They're probably gonna get their wish.
	Yeah, I know they have like a a job that they want people to be uh, you know, homeland patriot or something like that.
	Homeland defender.
	Homeland Defender, I guess it was.
	And um, you know, again, you can be the one who help us to uh purge uh people out of the society.
	It really is.
	Trump is when he brought the people in, uh he's basically telling them we've got a war within, and you guys need to practice in the cities.
	And that was just the most amazing thing to me.
	That um, you know, here we had uh uh Alex Jones who did four documentaries at police state, and we would talk about how it was uh very concerning and a real harbinger of what was to come.
	The fact that they were putting military equipment in these different areas, the fact they were holding these drills and so forth.
	Now Trump comes out to an assembled meeting of all the top-level brass of the Army, Navy, Air Force, everybody, and he tells them that's what he's going to do.
	And there's crickets from Alex about that and from the conservatives.
	They should be upset about that.
	But it was all still, it was just about partisan politics.
	They care if it's Obama, they don't care if it's their guy that is going to turn the country into a police state.
	Yeah.
	Owdy, MRR, the price of firearms has gone up because they want a few of the masses as possible to be armed.
	Yeah, it's uh an effective form of gun control.
	If you can just raise the price of everything to the point no one can afford it.
	And also ammo.
	Yeah.
	Uh I've effectively experiencing Lamborghini control.
	I will not they have made it impossible for me to own one.
	Well, again, you go back to the first Obama uh some of the first things that he did.
	Yeah, try to make it so they can recycle the brass.
	Yeah, the the military would recycle brass, and so they uh had at Fort Drum, New York, which is a major source of that, they had them crush the brass and sell it to China at scrap cost, which is uh uh really stupid uh economically to do that because you're destroying the value of the brass.
	And um they got that turned around with some senators, but that's been their goal all along.
	If you don't have ammunition, uh ammunition control is what they're going to do, and they can do that with price control.
	And if you don't have any ammunition, you've got a club.
	A fancy club, yeah.
	You're like David Crockett at the Alamo, we know how that turned out.
	Yeah, unfortunately.
	Trump burger, buy a twenty-two long rifle version of your rifle to practice.
	Save the good ammo.
	Mm-hmm.
	We have one twenty-two.
	It's a lever action.
	Lever actions are a lot of fun.
	Also iconic.
	Michael Paul, Mossberg 500 mainstay, still available for 100 for under a hundred four hundred dollars.
	It's nice to know they haven't gone up that obscenely.
	Still, like I say, I remember you could find them for a hundred and fifty sometimes, two hundred dollars.
	And I wonder what they are now.
	I'll have to look into that.
	Well, we're gonna take a quick break, folks, and we will be right back.
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	It's not just the moral abomination that's here.
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	Epstein Island has received more than two thousand previously unreported flights.
	A new data investigation has uncovered more than two thousand previously unreported flights to Epstein's private island.
	The majority of the flights originated from financial power centers like New York, London, and Geneva, suggesting a network of professional connections.
	If you find out who these people are, you're going to find out who controls our politicians and government besides Israel, in addition to Israel.
	Some of them will be an overlap as well.
	The investigation by Zalingo Data Refinery is shedding new light on the scale of travel associated with Epstein's Island.
	The analysis found 2,348 additional connections to Epstein Island across 5,253 flight records between 1995 and 2007, adding up to at least 4,966 reported and unreported flights to the island.
	See that you can go back and do data mining like this now very uh and and uh glean a lot of information.
	It's a shame that they won't release all the financial records that are there, because that would tell us even more information about uh who was being blackmailed.
	But they keep that under wraps.
	Researchers also identified 1,089 previously unknown flight routes that were linking major financial hubs with private destinations.
	The findings were compiled from publicly available Justice Department records.
	The Department of Justice didn't think you could do anything with this stuff, so they made it public.
	This guy analyzed it.
	Uh validated against three independent sources to ensure accuracy, said the team.
	The CEO of Zolingo Data Refinery said, Being a father, the Epstein scandal really disturbed me.
	The American government are putting a cap on what information they will reveal.
	And I thought, what the heck?
	The world has a right to know what is going on.
	And why are these people being hidden?
	Why are they hiding behind anonymity?
	Well, it's the why is Trump hiding them is really the question.
	I thought, let's do it and let's see what's going on.
	The primary sources of materials included released documents from the Department of Justice, public flight logs, and analysis of data sets.
	They then validated the information against three independent sources of information to check its accuracy.
	They said Zelingo Data Refinery has completed a proprietary data refinement and investigative analysis of the Epstein flight logs.
	Our priority refinery uh investigation leveraged advanced data correlation and entity resolution techniques to uncover previously unreported patterns and connections.
	And I'm not sure exactly what uh that is.
	I mean, I know what data correlation is.
	I don't know what entity resolution is, but um You know, I somehow doubt Hallentier would be able to see any of these links when it's billionaires that are investigation.
	Yeah, Palantir, on the other hand, is completely blind.
	They can't see any of this stuff.
	Good point, Lance.
	So he found that there was uh 2348 more individuals who had visited Epstein Island, and he said, uh, that's huge, because we were we did know only about 150 to 200.
	Now they have identified another 2500 uh that they now know about.
	The data also revealed that there were structured travel patterns out of these 5253 flights.
	It showed that 36% of the flights on the island came from New York City.
	18% came from Palm Beach, Florida, 14% from the U.S. Virgin Islands.
	Analysis of the flights reveals concentrated origin patterns and significant clustering around specific geographic hubs.
	The data shows a network primarily originating from major financial centers and private aviation hubs rather than distributed locations.
	They showed that 47% of the flights came from financial power centers like New York City, London, and Geneva.
	Twenty-eight percent came from residential hubs, including Palm Beach, U.S. Virgin Islands, and New Mexico, and that five percent came from Washington, D.C., the district of criminals.
	So again, if you find these people, then you find not only the criminal pedophiles who are being blackmailed, but you also start to get an insight into the real power that controls Trump, the GOP, and the Democrats.
	These power-hungry narcissists and predators will commit political suicide in order to hide the identities of these predators.
	That tells you everything you need to know about these people.
	How many different angles, how many different facets do we uh well, I guess we could say angles.
	You know, you can just like you'd hold a diamond up, look at all the different facets you rotate around.
	Uh what about Trump when you look at him from every angle?
	From every angle, the man is a criminal and a murderer.
	It's amazing what's going on with this guy.
	So then the uh Ghlaine Maxwell appeal to the Supreme Court has now been shut down.
	Uh her only hope now is Obidan.
	So I guess she's putting together that that message with the uh hologram.
	Help me, Obidan, you're my only hope.
	Because uh the Supreme Court has shut her down.
	And of course, you know, Trump said, I wish her well, so maybe uh Obidan will help her.
	Maxwell sentenced to twenty years in federal prison, had sought to overturn her conviction on the grounds that she was unlawfully prosecuted.
	She filed her appeal three days after meeting with a top Trump D.O.J. official.
	So evidently they stressed to her.
	Uh now it is down to Trump to issue a pardon.
	It's the only way that she's going to get out of jail.
	I mean, there is still the question of who is she alleged to have trafficked them to if there were no buyers.
	That's right.
	I like the way they describe it here.
	Maxwell's legal team is crestfallen.
	Just poor Maxwell's legal team.
	Yeah.
	How sad for them.
	Yeah, probably uh her legal team coming from the White House, I guess.
	When Trump started acting all weird about it, calling a list the Democrat hoax, a fracture formed within MAGA as supporters were counting on Trump to release the list, not act as if he's on it.
	This is from Zero Edge.
	I thought that was pretty good when Trump started acting all weird about it.
	That's one way to put it.
	I remember there was like a 15-year period where uh any normal person would say Trump was acting all weird when he was the best friend of Jeffrey Epstein.
	Uh way were, of course, deeply disappointed about the Supreme Court, but this fight is not over.
	There's still Obidan.
	Maxwell claimed in her appeal that she was wrongly prosecuted because she's covered by 2007 sweetheart non-prosecution deal negotiated by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of Florida.
	And who was that?
	That was Alex Azar, the guy that Trump then made Secretary of Labor.
	Trump's fingerprints are all over this.
	I mean, this is much worse than the six degrees of separation with Kevin Bacon.
	Just look at the one or two degrees of separation with Jeffrey Epstein, that's Trump and his entire orbit.
	You know, he's got this guy who was just a prosecutor there in Miami, and he handpicks this guy to be the Secretary of Labor.
	Why?
	Right?
	It's because of the Epstein connection.
	And when they were interviewing him as part of his confirmation, and they asked him about why he gave them that sweetheart deal.
	He said, I was told he was in he was working with intelligence and to lay off.
	And so that's um he he was uh not going to lie under oath about that because he knows better than to commit perjury uh in the attorney's office.
	Also that out.
	I like here how she says claimed that her she was wrongly prosecuted.
	Not because she's not guilty, but just because she's covered under a deal.
	No, we already bargained for this.
	But we had a deal.
	Come on.
	You said the trafficking was all right for Jeffrey.
	Yeah.
	Supposed to be me too.
	According to the agreement, it says the U.S. quote agrees that it will not institute any criminal charges against any potential co-conspirators of Epstein, including but not limited to four other suspects.
	Maxwell was not listed as one of those suspects.
	However, her lawyers claimed that she didn't need to be.
	Well, the question is, who are those other four people?
	Right?
	Are we allowed to know who they are?
	Maybe not.
	I don't know.
	Uh shh, don't tell anybody.
	The Department of Justice, meanwhile, has argued that the former U.S. attorney who negotiated that deal, Alex Acosta, who then became the uh was put in the Trump cabinet, didn't have the authority to bind federal districts, including the Southern District of New York, where Maxwell was tried and convicted.
	So what they said was, well, you had to deal with them in the Southern District uh in the Miami, but in the Northern District where New York is, you didn't have the authority to make that kind of a deal.
	So again, Acosta and Trump, fishy from the Trump's first administration.
	It just continues.
	All of these things continue.
	Um folks, we're gonna take a really quick break.
	You want to get some of these comments before.
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	Says, forgive me for not voting in the congressional primary today.
	It seems the only policy I can give I can get out of their TV ads is whether they are pro or anti-Trump.
	Not interested.
	Yeah, yeah, that's right.
	Niaburu 2029, AI will soon be in charge of all background checks.
	Good luck passing it.
	If the check of your name is that of Western origin.
	That's right.
	No more Steve Smith's uh Stev's guard responding to Guard Goldsmith.
	I don't trust the medical profession.
	It's a business.
	They need customers like private prisons.
	Each will get what they need.
	Epstein Island says, Mark my words, Trump's name is plastered all over the flight logs.
	I suppose Epstein Island would know.
	Trump's name is plastered all over Epstein, period.
	I mean, I think one of the classic things too is the fact that they, when they reported that birthday greeting thing, you know, and and Trump says, that's a lie, you know, is what Wall Street Journal reported, what somebody described to them.
	And they reported it accurately because it was later uh uh later released, but in between those two periods of time, Trump sues them for like ten billion dollars.
	And uh and they're gonna continue with that lawsuit because it isn't just like with Comey, it's about doing a perp walk.
	It's about creating uh uh noise and disturbance.
	Uh it's not about getting anything done that's important, uh, just like you're talking before, the the congressional rates uh races are all pro-Trump or anti-Trump.
	It's uh it's all just partisan froth.
	They don't care at all about us.
	They don't care about the rule of law, they don't care about creating a civilization or keeping the civilization from falling apart.
	As a matter of fact, they're both both sides, pro and anti-Trump are working to tear the society down.
	That's the purpose of this.
	Michael Paul won gold hit four thousand today.
	Wow.
	Wow, that's amazing.
	I have a report that uh didn't age too well.
	It was from Friday, and that was uh Goldman Sachs that said, we think gold might hit 4,000 in the second quarter of next year.
	It's like uh I looked at that and it's like, well, that hasn't aged too well over the last couple of days, and now it hit 4,000 and we had silver over 50.
	That's amazing what's happening to this stuff.
	And again, it's not like gold and silver getting more valuable, it's that the US dollar is getting far less valuable.
	It's also funny that Goldman Sachs doesn't know anything about gold, apparently.
	Yeah.
	that woman should receive capital punishment for what she allowed to happen to those kids.
	Full agreement.
	Full agreement.
	Yeah, couldn't agree more.
	Well, um, again, uh just remind you uh that if you go to David Knight.gold, I'll take you to Tony Arbin, and uh you can start to gradually accumulate gold and silver if you don't have uh a lot that you can put into it, put what you can into it.
	Uh don't stash your money in the bank, put it in something that is going to hold its value better.
	Uh the bank's not going to pay you any interest on anything.
	And the dollar is an evaporating asset.
	You can think of it as uh I've got a bunch of uh water here that I'm saving for a rainy day.
	Maybe or maybe not a day that's not raining, and uh and you put it in a container that's leaking.
	That's really what's happening to your money and the bank.
	It's like a leaky container trying to save water for when you're going to need it.
	Well, we're going to take a quick break, folks, and we will be right back.
	We'll be right back.
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	Well, Sam Altman at OpenAI is warning that the AI industry is due for a spectacular implosion.
	And remember, almost all the growth in the stock market has come from investments into a couple of companies.
	And uh also remember that AI, whatever it may do in the future, whatever uses that they may have for it, has not delivered on the promises and the hype that they put out there.
	And once you know, you look at the stock market, and the stock market is not really connected to reality.
	Uh when people uh start talking about something, they overhype it.
	And you get a lot of people who are overoptimistic about something, and they all pile into it in mass, and that builds the bubble.
	And then in the same way, when one of the limbings realizes that this isn't really what it was hyped up to be, it may still be something real, it may still have some uses, but when they realize it's not hyped up, then it is a mass scramble for the exits.
	And so Sam Altman is saying, well, yeah, there's gonna be booms, there's gonna be busts, it's gonna go over uh many different uh decades.
	It says people will overinvest and they'll lose money, they will underinvest and they'll lose a lot of revenue.
	And uh this uh article here says this is the kind of blase bromidic talk that you'd expect to hear from a coach of a sports team that's on a historic losing street.
	Oh, yes, there'll be ups and downs, and then your eyes glaze over and you forgive them because hey, it's just a game.
	But this is something that's different.
	He said, Altman, however, commands a half trillion dollar startup that is the tip of the spear for an out-of-control AI gold rush.
	Pretty much the entire world economy is tangled up in hundreds of billions of dollars of investment that's been poured into the industry.
	Uh this worrying statistic provided to the Wall Street Journal in the U.S. capital expenditures for AI contributed to more growth in the economy in the past two quarters than all of computer uh consumer spending, according to Neil Duda, head of economic research At Renaissance Macro Research, citing data from the Bureau of Economic Analysis.
	So it's hardly an exaggeration to suggest that if the AI bubble bursts, it could take the whole uh economy down with it.
	So Altman told reporters, he said, uh, so are we in a phase where investors as a whole are overexcited about AI?
	In my opinion, he said yes.
	So uh as that happens, we've got um a lot of uh issues of underperforming, overpromising and underperforming technology.
	Amazon has had its sites set from the very beginning in terms of using drones for delivery.
	Go point to point and have a drone drop it on your front porch there.
	Well, they ran into a little bit of a wrinkle here, and and uh do you have the clip of that, uh, Lance?
	This is uh Amazon drones went kamikaze into some construction equipment, and I think this is in Arizona, I believe.
	Yeah, it was um yeah, Phoenix, Arizona.
	And uh they have some video of these drones that collided with these construction cranes and uh blew up and crashed in debris.
	People got pictures of the debris.
	It happened about 10 a.m. local time.
	The drones are flying northeast, back to back before the collision.
	Uh the drones smashed into the crane that was lowering an air conditioning unit on the roof of a building.
	Uh, and each of these drones weighs about 80 pounds.
	So these things are pretty significant.
	And uh they're going to roll out the red carpet for Amazon while they shut everybody else down.
	There you go.
	That's uh now that's in China.
	That's a Chinese uh uh thing.
	Tell us a little bit about that, Lance.
	That was they put fireworks or something on the uh this is part of the Chinese New Year celebration, I believe.
	And these drones started uh colliding and crashing to the ground, everybody's scrambling.
	I mean, it's literally raining fire from above.
	You want fireworks?
	Look at that.
	That's amazing.
	A whole row of drones on fire as a typical dropping.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that was in China.
	Uh, so yeah, some technology needs a little bit of work, and so uh just like with the injections, you know, you want to do a little bit of testing before you roll this stuff out.
	In 2021, a drone crash and Amazon testing range in Oregon sparked an acres-wide blaze.
	Last December, two MK 30 drones plummeted hundreds of feet to their doom after their propellers suddenly stopped spinning mid-flight.
	So again, uh Amazon is hoping that it's going to have 500 million packages delivered per year by 2030.
	Half a billion.
	Uh so just imagine what the skies are going to look like with drones out there.
	That might be enough to start getting people to uh decide they don't want to use Amazon.
	Uh we'll see what happens with that.
	You know, there was also an article about uh the Denmark drones and questioning whether or not that whole thing was a false flag.
	Uh especially when you look at what had happened about a year and a half ago uh with all the drones up in the Northeast Corridor.
	Uh are these people really think that they're going to trick us into World War III with some kind of a drone display over airports.
	Uh as this is happening, Amazon is facing FAA and NTSB probe uh because of this.
	And um uh again, it's just a few months after they paused their drone deliveries in Tolison and College Station, Texas.
	That's where Texas AM is and Culson and College uh College Station, temporarily uh following two crashes in the Pendleton, Oregon test site.
	And so those are already uh being investigated by the FAA and the National Transportation Safety Board.
	Uh so yesterday we talked about the AI boyfriends that got uh that were murdered by Sam Altman for these uh for these women, and they're very upset about that.
	They wanted to cut down on some of this uh creepy engagement that the AI is doing, and there are a lot of women through uh women who were upset about that.
	Now, this is an article about the other side of this, and this is uh uh boys are looking for AI girlfriends because they are obedient, yielding, and happy to follow, except that they're not real.
	And uh so again, uh there's a difference between men and women, but uh they can both be crazy.
	Can't they drive us about this stuff?
	Uh Eleanor 24 is a Polish historian, a lecturer at a University of Warsaw.
	Isabel 25 is a detective serving with the New York police department.
	Brooke 39 is an American housewife who enjoys an opulent Miami lifestyle financed by her frequently absent husband.
	And all of them are AI girlfriends that will send you nude photographs and videos.
	And so this is their uh so what is that service that does the uh um you know where they they uh pay women to send people.
	Escort service.
	Uh no, only fans.
	Only fans, yeah.
	This is like AI only fans.
	And the people putting this out saying, well, hey, you know, this is all our alternative.
	We don't harm any women.
	You know, these women are not real, and so they're not being human trafficked, they're not being beaten up by a pimp or whatever.
	And uh so this is a good thing.
	Except that that's only one half of the equation.
	Uh for the men it's not a good thing.
	And so uh it means that there's not real women on the other side of this, but it does mean that for men is a very concerning thing.
	Again, that they also do AI generated child sexual abuse imagery.
	And I remember I had a guest on one time who was saying, I don't know why people are getting upset about these uh child sextiles.
	And it's like, well, I think I do.
	You know, if you're gonna feed that appetite, what is going to happen is eventually people are going to act on that appetite, right?
	We all know that we have different natures, and uh what you wind up uh being is whatever nature that you're feeding.
	And so, like a drug, you're going to constantly be looking for that next tie.
	And eventually, I think it's it's not uh an exaggeration to say that on this slippery slope that it it uh pushes people in that direction.
	But the bottom line is it's not real.
	The people who are being harmed by it are the women who have the AI boyfriends and the men who have the AI girlfriends.
	They don't have real friends.
	There's nothing real at all about that.
	Tesla is being sued by some families who say that faulty doors led to two deaths.
	We have a very good friend who has a Tesla.
	I got to drive it once.
	It's a it's a great driving car, actually.
	It's very different uh driving car than any um other car that I've driven because it's the acceleration is so quick and it's also got regenerative braking, so it's like driving a slot car.
	You step on the gas and and it really goes and you take your foot off and it really stops really short, and it's got a low center of gravity, so it's good handling.
	Problem is the door thing, he he got stuck in his car uh for a couple of hours, and he had to uh he said fortunately I had my phone with me.
	I contacted customer support, and they remotely had to unlock his door.
	Well, good luck with that if you have an automobile accident and the batteries are starting to catch fire, which is what happened to two college students in California.
	Their families are now suing Tesla.
	Uh they were in a cyber truck, but uh my friend doesn't have a cyber truck.
	He's got a uh I think a Model 3, right?
	I believe so.
	And uh anyway, the doors that open or shut with a push of a button.
	Again, we have to overcomplicate everything.
	Even the vents on the on the um uh air con uh the air in your car, that has to be controlled with the touchpad.
	Not going to give you a physical thing that you can actually just reach up and turn it towards you.
	That would be too complicated.
	Uh the suits have been filed in California court by the families of two people, 19 and 20.
	The lawsuits are another setback for Cybertruck, which has sold poorly and been recalled eight times since last year.
	But this is not a Tesla issue that is limited to the cyber truck.
	This is um across the board.
	Tesla pioneered car doors that open or shut with the push of a button.
	Several other automakers have an imitated that design, usually on the electronic models.
	Uh electronic doors give cars a high-tech aura and may modestly reduce wind resistance because their exterior handles typically do not protrude from the door.
	The door latches rely on a 12-volt battery separate from the high voltage battery that drives the vehicle's electric motor.
	If the power is cut off in a crash, the electronic door mechanism may not work.
	So the lawsuit claims that the injuries from the crash were very minor, but that they died of burns and Smoke inhalation after they were caught inside the cyber truck, could not open the doors and the batteries that even though it is a minor crash, the batteries can be damaged and catch on fire.
	They were unable to escape because manual door releases were too difficult to find, says the lawsuit.
	Well, uh, on another note here, uh home Wi-Fi will soon be able to monitor our heart rates without any of those smartwatches or wearable devices.
	So uh you don't have to get a ring that swells up.
	Yeah, you can't get it off your finger and you're hoping that the battery in that thing that is swelling up is not going to burst into flames.
	Uh so you soon won't need that.
	But I thought this is a very interesting story because uh if the Wi-Fi is interacting with your body at that level, uh what is it really doing to you physiologically?
	Um research shows the signal from household Wi-Fi device can be used to monitor heart rate with state-of-the-art accuracy without the need for a wearable.
	And of course, they've been able to use Wi-Fi to surveil people inside their homes as well through the walls.
	The government's got apps for that.
	Um they said that these people have come up with this thing, call it pulse fi.
	What was that, Lance?
	Saw a new thing that they can now use uh the optical sensors and high-quality gaming mice as microphones to pick up on vibrations in your table and use that as a uh receiver.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah, back in um back in the early 80s when I was getting into you know, first working in engineering.
	People were working on government contracts, they had a tempesting program because they said that you know uh foreign countries were able to uh surveil people who are working on government projects by monitoring the keystrokes, right?
	The keystrokes would just like you know about that mouse, keystrokes would produce uh certain electronic uh components with really sensitive equipment, they could determine which keys were being pressed.
	And so uh there was a special kind of keyboards and computers that had been tempested, uh which meant that they had been shielded from that kind of EMF leakage.
	But uh it's just amazing, isn't it?
	How the links that people go to to use all these electronic devices to surveillance, whether it's keyboards or mice or Wi-Fi.
	Well, these Wi-Fi devices push out RF into the physical space and have a receiving device, which is typically a computer or a phone.
	But as the waves pass through objects, some of the wave is absorbed into those objects, like our bodies, uh causing mathematically detectable changes in the wave.
	Public Fi, or sorry, pulse Fi uses a Wi-Fi transmitter and receiver, Pulse Fi.
	That reminds me of the joke where the guy goes up to the counter and they have a sign that says free Wi-Fi, and he goes, Yeah, well, there'll be anything else.
	Yeah, I'll have some of that free Wi-Fi that's up there anyway.
	Um that free pulse fi.
	Um, and so they said the team trained the algorithm to distinguish even the faintest variations in signal caused by human heartbeat by filtering out all the other changes to the signal in the environment, or caused by activity such as movement.
	They said the signal is very sensitive to the environment.
	So we have to select the right filters to remove all the unnecessary noise.
	The researchers ran experiments with 118 participants and found that after only five seconds of signal processing, they could measure heart rate with clinical level accuracy.
	This is the thing that really amazes me.
	I mean, I've been around computers all my life.
	I still can't get over the fact that uh AI can give it a five-second clip of somebody's voice and it can clone it very convincingly.
	And uh so here's you know, just about a couple of seconds of uh trying to train it on the your heartbeat, and now the Wi-Fi app can monitor your heartbeat wirelessly.
	Uh so they said they have dubbed this um uh clinical level accuracy in the pulse fi.
	Uh it works regardless of the position of the equipment in the room or of the person whose heart rate was being measured.
	No matter if they were sitting, standing, lying down, or walking, the system still performed.
	And only needed five seconds to uh get within a half a beat per minute error.
	Longer periods of monitoring time increased the accuracy.
	And so again, uh, and these are some very cheap off-the-shelf components that they did this with.
	Uh they can monitor your movement, if the police are interested in that, they can do that with a Wi-Fi, even getting down to your heart level.
	But I think it also speaks to how we have to be aware of the RF signals that are around us and in us permeating us and the effect that has on our body.
	Because this is just uh from their perspective.
	What is your body think about all of that Wi-Fi that's happening there?
	Uh so nearly one third of EV charging attempts fail.
	Now here's another thing that I thought was interesting.
	You you might think uh that if you're you've got an EV that you can just pull up and um plug the thing in and you charge.
	Well, it doesn't work that way.
	It's not like your AC wall outlet.
	Uh it's a very complicated handshaking signal that uh uh protocol that goes back and forth to um to do the charging, and that's the issue because the cars have to be compatible with the chargers.
	They've got software issues and protocol issues, and those things have to be compatible.
	And hold on, my car needs a software update.
	That's right.
	And as they're doing updates, uh, you can wind up with compatibility issues between the charger device and your car.
	So when you find one of these things that's available, you don't know if it's actually going to be able to work.
	And this is over and above the kind of issues where uh when it's winter time, like Eric Peters was talking about, he had that EV from uh Mercedes, and he even when he found a charging station, he couldn't get it to charge because it was too cold, and so it's waiting for the battery to heat up.
	And that's part of this software protocol that's there and the information that's being passed back and forth between the car and the um and the charger.
	You know, first we've got to get it up to a certain temperature and it's monitoring how the state of the battery is it's charging it and all the rest of the stuff.
	So they said, when you see an available charging station, you will be rolling the dice that it'll actually work.
	For new charging equipment, a success rate of eighty-five percent after the first year after installation falls to seventy percent after three years.
	So that's pretty amazing.
	Only got about a third of the time that it's actually going to work, even if you've got a spot that's available there.
	Um even in the first year, only eighty-five percent.
	So it's a fifteen percent chance that it won't be compatible with your car.
	What if you jailbreak your car?
	The infrastructure is falling into disrepair because of firmware and software not being applied, and the same problems are in the cars themselves.
	In many cases the hardware needs to be replaced because it is incompatible with the latest firmware or software.
	So um in spite you you'll look online and you'll see that the infrastructure is showing that it has uh 98 to 99 percent uptime rates.
	In spite of that, only seventy-one percent of charging attempts actually succeed, according to the 2025 EV charging reliability report.
	They analyze more than 100,000 sessions across 2400 chargers.
	Uptime tells us if a charger is available, but it doesn't tell us if a driver can actually plug in, get a charge on the first attempt.
	So it's like it's uh they have their own metrics and uh self-serving semantics involved in this.
	The complexity of EV charging stems from multiple software systems that must work in harmony.
	Charging stations and electric vehicles are literally computers, and it's all about these handshakes and how one software understands another.
	If you've ever been in a software space, you know, probably know that sometimes software doesn't really understand uh each other.
	Oh, believe me.
	Yeah, sometimes it may create a bit of a wrinkle in that system.
	Maybe the vehicle itself, the battery management system doesn't really understand what the charging system is asking of it.
	So these technical barriers create real world problems for EV operators.
	And one example, a fleet driver might arrive at a station showing a green available indicator, only to find that after plugging in the station fails to initiate authentication or begins the process but returns to the available screen without completing a charge.
	Most charging infrastructure involves multiple companies that are developing separate software components for vehicles, hardware, charge management systems, payment processing, and connectors.
	This fragmentation creates interoperability challenges that directly impact consumers.
	So we've made things needlessly complex.
	And that results in no reliability.
	So let's cover these comments here.
	We'll take a break.
	Real Jason Barker says, I'm ready for a fire sale on GPUs regarding the coming AI crash.
	Traumberger, they forgot to uninstall the nine eleven software from those drones, rookie mistake.
	That's right.
	Gotta make sure that you override that code.
	Spirit of the age, I got a window smasher in every car I use and a seatbelt cutter too.
	Yeah, those are handy to have.
	Yeah.
	That's really popular in Germany.
	And we we did some videos at one point in time for a company that's doing promotional stuff, and they have a lot of different versions of seatbelt covers and uh cutters and window smashers.
	Because again, you know, if you go into the water, even with uh an older car, all the the windows are electrical, and so you can get stuck in those things as well.
	Yeah, you don't want to don't want to be stuck in there as it sinks or as it burns up.
	Hi, Handy.
	We don't like those door handles in EMS.
	Too hard to get unresponsive people out.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, you gotta get the jaws of life.
	I wonder how the jaws of life work with a Tesla stuff.
	Well, I've seen how shoddy the cyber truck is, how poorly built it seems to be.
	So it probably cuts through that thing like butter.
	That'd be my assumption.
	Maybe maybe Handy has some intro.
	If you if you had to cut open a cyber truck, Andy, let us know.
	I'm curious.
	Or you know of anyone.
	The metal is thicker on that, so it might pose a bit of a problem to the traditional uh jaws of life that rip open that door.
	Of course, I don't know how long it takes to get that equipment to sight.
	Yeah.
	Shadow Boxer.
	They can read biometrics from a distance now.
	They can also manipulate it.
	Mm-hmm.
	Bulldog.
	They're going to build a massive AI data warehouse.
	Each person is going to have a pri a digital identity called a primary key.
	Yeah.
	Hi, boost, Travis.
	That is not even a joke.
	They absolutely need firmware and software updates in that boat for ice cars also.
	Internal combustion engines, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Not the immigration control.
	Yeah, and not the ice that the uh Pope was blessing the other last week.
	We've got all kinds of ice.
	More ice than you would believe.
	Well, you know, the Eskimos have something like 30 words or something for snow, so we've got a lot of different meanings for ice anymore.
	We're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back.
	We'll be right back.
	Well, I saw this headline and it's clickbait, but it certainly worked for me.
	Uh scientist finds evidence of alien DNA in humans.
	What is this about?
	This is Daily Mail.
	Um, but um uh, you know, uh again, I looked at this and um we when we get Genesis six and the Nephilim and the giants and the mighty men of mythology and things like that, and um what I believe, always thought it was genetic uh corruption.
	Uh not that you've necessarily got these uh angels that are breeding with humans, but I figured it was a genetic thing.
	So let me take a look at that.
	And um, but uh they the lead is kind of buried in this.
	Uh they they have this sensationalism that they play around with, and then they pull it back and all this stuff.
	So there's nothing really here, and they look at DNA, which really points to God, and they will always try to redirect it to some aliens and uh pretend that uh there's aliens that have not contacted us even though they had created us and that type of thing.
	That's what Crick and Watson did, who discovered the uh DNA, they would not attribute it to the word.
	In the beginning there was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God, all things were created through him and by him, but they will not take that.
	Uh instead, they will imagine that there was some panspermia of uh aliens who went throughout the universe creating this stuff.
	Well, uh the DNA points to God, the creator of everything, all plants and all animals have DNA in them.
	Scientists claim to have found evidence of alien genetic manipulation.
	Not true, it's one scientist who's uh kind of a quack.
	Um, with large sections of genes seemingly inserted into people, potentially affecting millions of humans.
	In the examination of 581 complete families from a thousand genomes project, this uh single scientist, uh Dr. Max Rymple, and um he's got um he's chief executive of a foundation that he created called the DNA resonance research, and uh so he's he's kind of out there on the radical free.
	You may have a vested interest in finding something like this, huh?
	He says he found large sequences of DNA in eleven families that appeared to match neither parent.
	These anomalies included clusters of 348 nonparental genetic variations, some of which were from children born before 1990, ruling out human gene editing technologies such as CRISPR, which only emerged in 2013.
	He cautioned that his findings are preliminary and require more rigorous analysis.
	See now they're starting to walk it back already with this.
	In addition to analyzing publicly available family DNA sets, Rimple reviewed 23 and me results from individuals who self-identify as alien abductees.
	Rymple noted the current commercial genotyping services are insufficiently precise to confirm such radical claims.
	Oh, so he's got no basis at all for this.
	You notice that?
	It's insufficiently precise to confirm any of these radical claims.
	Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.
	I mean, science, academia in general has a huge uh replicability crisis.
	Yeah.
	The vast the majority of studies cannot be replicated.
	They've gone in and tried just we don't get the same answers.
	I don't know what to tell you.
	That's true about virology.
	It's also true about climate change, all of that.
	He suggested future studies might reveal astonishing possibilities, including humans developing unusual abilities such as telepathy as a result of genetic modification.
	This is all just pure speculation.
	You know, in the future we might find some stuff.
	And they do a whole article about it.
	It picks up a drudge report link, and uh and it worked because it was clickbait enough for me to click on it.
	Yeah.
	How do you get from oh I can't find these bits of DNA in a parents to this will create telepathy and superpowers?
	Exactly right.
	Uh Rimple emphasized the need for high quality non-cultured genetic data to avoid artifacts caused by cell culturing.
	He said most public DNA databases contain old data from cultured cells.
	Culturing can produce genomic changes, so we cannot treat these results as proof.
	So, you know, again, that's a sensational headline, it's completely rebuffed by this.
	Rimple's work remains controversial.
	He insists it's driven by genuine scientific curiosity.
	Uh so it's not driven by science, it's driven by curiosity and speculation and projection.
	Uh So again, um, but seriously, uh, this is something that is happening here in the U.S. This is Colorado.
	Uh the U.S. Supreme Court is going to listen to arguments today on the case that I mentioned uh before.
	This is in Colorado where you not only have the state government there is focused on hectoring that uh Baker over making cakes for homosexual marriages or a transversary cake for another individual.
	He's taken them to the Supreme Court and won over and over again.
	They still keep coming back after him.
	It's like the um the UK uh cops who keep coming after that woman who is praying silently and they keep arresting her.
	This is nothing other than anti-Christian harassment.
	Uh this is being done by Colorado.
	So the officials in Colorado have multiple times demanded the authority to censor Christians, and the state have claimed that the counselor's speech is behavior, and they say they can regulate it.
	And again, uh I talked about this last week, I I think it was, or maybe two weeks ago.
	Uh this doesn't turn on whether or not the counseling is speech or behavior, because whether you look at it as a speech or whether you look at it as behavior, uh, it is still an issue of the free exercise of religion, which can be either speech or behavior or both.
	Uh their agenda is clear in the details of their fight.
	They insist that no counselor can encourage a patient to consider not being LGBT.
	But promotion of LGBT choices are fully encouraged.
	So again, you can see how political it is.
	And these are the same people coming after the masterpiece, cake shop baker Jack Phillips, who has beaten them again and again.
	Uh Alliance Defending Freedom is representing her.
	They said she wants to help young people distressed about their gender, achieve their chosen goal, and grow comfortable with their bodies and avoid harmful drugs and procedures, but Colorado law forbids her from doing so.
	The US government and twenty-one states, in addition to counseling groups, detransitioners, mental health researchers, and free speech advocates and others, are supporting her arguments against the state of Colorado at the Supreme Court.
	Those will be heard today.
	The government has no business censoring private conversations between uh clients and counselors, said the lawyer.
	There is a growing consensus around the world that adults uh that adolescents experiencing so-called gender dysphoria need love and an opportunity to talk through their struggles and their feelings.
	Colorado's law harms these young people by depriving them of caring and compassionate conversations with a counselor.
	Uh he argues that the Colorado law violates her freedom of speech, but also violates the free exercise of religion, because they point out many of the clients come to her because they share her Christian worldview and her faith-based values.
	Uh Colorado law, however, censors her from speaking words that her clients want to hear because the government doesn't want to hear those views that she expresses.
	Directors have called such counseling, quote, um, sorry, not directors, but detractors have called it conversion therapy, because again, this is uh a broad term that is aimed at Christians.
	But the misnomer isn't accurate since the counseling actually involves helping patients come to grips with their own reality.
	Uh so you're not converting them, except that conversion can uh clear up their heads.
	Also, I'm maybe gonna be off base here, but my entire life I've grown up hearing the horrors of conversion therapy.
	Oh, they used to do electro shock therapy.
	I I would be shocked if this wasn't massively overblown.
	It'd be true.
	I would be shocked, personally.
	I would bet that there wasn't a couple in many, many years or there.
	Yeah.
	And it has been run with and it has been made to be the boogeyman over and over again.
	Yeah.
	And I just flat out I'm right.
	At this point, I barely believe it even happened.
	The more they talk about it, the more I'm like, eh.
	Yeah, it was in the dark ages of uh psychiatry, I guess you say.
	Personally, I believe there was more truth to the satanic panic than there was there is to this, that there was more to be concerned there.
	Well, you know, you did have a period of time, and that the Kennedys actually did this to one of their children, they did frontal lobotomy.
	So there were some abhorrent things that were being done by psychiatrists in the past, still are, when you look at the SSRI drugs and things like that.
	But uh that hasn't been done for a very, very long time.
	Uh so Colorado has already lost in the third and eleventh circuit courts.
	Uh I'm sorry, not Colorado, but uh laws like this have been overturned in the third and eleventh circuit courts.
	Uh the state censorship plan is based on viewpoint restrictions, and they expect that the Supreme Court will therefore uh follow through on uh on this for them.
	Now we have um actually um uh well our guest is going to be joining us in about eight minutes.
	Uh but before we get to that, uh I want to talk a little bit about uh what is happening in our society in terms of uh how we get to this point where uh we have um people who are so afraid to speak up about what is happening and in their lives, and um uh hang on, I'm trying to manage this thing here.
	Uh I'll get it in just one second.
	Here we go.
	A technology grand.
	Yeah, it is.
	Uh I got locked in there.
	I got to call for tech support and gonna help me find this thing.
	ISIS in Mozambique is documenting beheadings and shootings of Christians and burning churches, over thirty people beheaded, and they are uh bragging about that, boasting about it.
	The violence has led to renewed security alliance between Mozambique and Rwanda.
	Rwandan troops supporting Mozambique and counterinsurgency operations, sixty-two hundred people slaughtered, over one million displaced.
	The Islamic state, Mozambique province, released a twenty image photo set this week, documenting its operatives executing civilians by beheading and by close range gunfire and burning down homes and churches.
	They claimed responsibility for several attacks throughout the last week of September.
	So the article goes through and talks about how many people they killed and how many homes they burned in one village after the other.
	And yet at the same time, uh you have uh one guy here's name is Nelson Makonda.
	He says he wants to train 200,000 pastors to meet Africa's evangelical boom.
	Isn't that interesting how undeterred these Christians are?
	Well, all this stuff is happening, and and we're not even talking about Nigeria, which is one of the worst places about that.
	But in Nigeria and in these other places, there's these massive uh terrorist campaigns of Christian persecution coming in and uh uh mass murder of villages and burning their homes and and everything else.
	And yet, in spite of that, you have uh Christianity is booming in Africa so much so that he says uh we've got a problem here.
	We've got to have you know, we need uh uh these people are setting up churches so much we need two hundred thousand pastors, he said.
	He said the gospel is preached by evangelicals, provides hope to the poor, suffering, struggling, and hopeful, growing population of Africa.
	As people are transitioning from the African traditional religion and uh that context and beginning to experience Christian faith and modern life, they're trapped still in sickness, trapped in poverty, trapped in illiteracy, and trapped in the issues of life.
	The gospel is preached by evangelicals provides great hope for these people.
	He's looking at it though, really, as more of a um uh kind of a social gospel as a foundation of civilization as opposed to the salvation method uh message that it has there.
	But it really is the foundation of civilizations.
	And it isn't uh these people are not putting their lives on the line because it's going to improve the quality of their life.
	I mean, that doesn't make any sense.
	There's something else that's there.
	It's that faith and that's something else that is um getting them to put their life on the line.
	Otherwise, uh what is happening with this persecution and slaughter is even though they may be poor, uh that would be jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire.
	So it's something else that is happening there.
	As birth rates fall in the developed world, Africa, buoyed by its status of having the world's youngest population with a median age of only nineteen, is expected to double in population and reach two and a half billion.
	Makonda believes the blessings of youth on the continent will keep fueling the number of evangelicals on the continent.
	And this will happen even though they are facing this this horrific uh uh persecution.
	Uh so there was an interesting op ed piece from J.D. Hall that I thought was uh interesting pair with that story about uh what these people are facing.
	He says a short word on cowards and the God who damns them.
	He says, Have you ever heard a sermon on cowardice?
	Well, you're about to.
	Um he said uh Revelation 21.
	But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral.
	Those who practice magic arts, idolaters, all liars will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur, a second death.
	He says if we pile up the sins of the modern church like logs on a fire, cowardice would be the unseen tender at the bottom.
	It'd be like the tumbleweeds.
	Revelation twenty-one does not treat cowardice as a minor fault.
	It lists the cowardly, along with sorcerers, adulterers, liars, murderers, and so forth.
	Again, because what is cowardice?
	It is fear, right?
	And this fits very well with our interview coming up about FDR.
	Because FDR is famous for his quote, we have nothing to fear but fear itself, and yet, like most political leaders, he used that fear to cow people into following him.
	And most churches today you'll never hear a single sermon on cowardice.
	Pastors will scold congregations about pride, they'll offer vague warnings about greed, or they'll deliver soothing talks about gratitude.
	They'll never tell their people that cowardice leads to hell.
	Cowardice is not nervousness before a hard task.
	It's not anxiety in a moment of weakness.
	Cowardice is fear enthroned as God.
	When Peter swore that he didn't know Christ before a servant girl, that was cowardice.
	When the ten spies returned from Canaan and infected the whole camp with fear, that was cowardice.
	God does not overlook such actions.
	He calls it rebellion.
	Cowardice is never private.
	It is a social disease.
	With fewer men than risk one coward spreading panic throughout the ranks.
	Many people would have that.
	Fear may be natural, but cowardice is toxic and it spreads, and it contaminates everyone that it touches.
	The same pattern repeats in every generation.
	One pastor who refuses to speak boldly convinces hundreds of fathers to avoid confrontation in their own home.
	One father, afraid to lead, teaches his son that silence is safe.
	One politician who bends before cultural pressure gives cow cover to an army of bureaucrats who do the same.
	A coward is never just one.
	A coward becomes a factory of cowards.
	His retreat makes others think retreat is righteousness.
	His silence makes others believe silence is wisdom.
	Cowardice explains why pulpits roar against injustice at vague terms, but rarely talk about abortion as child sacrifice.
	Cowardice explains why pastors insist all loving on loving all families, but never call homosexuality a sin.
	So it's more common in this age, and this is the contrast here.
	It's more common in this age because here we don't have much risk.
	It's not like the Christians in Africa.
	We are not trying desperately trying to work out a way to survive.
	We have comfort, we have affluence.
	So in the past, if you were timid, you could starve or you could be conquered or you could be killed.
	Today a man can spend his life indoors and order everything he needs delivered to his door.
	You can avoid all danger, and a safe life breeds soft men.
	And soft men become cowards when they are finally confronted with a test.
	This is one of the aspects of the fourth turning.
	And that is, you know, you have a generation like the World War II generation, and they they were hard men, but then the subsequent generations get softer and softer, and the institutions start to rot because of softness and cowardice, and then you have another fourth turning.
	And so it goes through that cycle, and it is bred by comfort.
	Cowardice is common in this age because of comfort, and we've made a god out of comfort.
	Today we expect ease, convenience, and safety.
	When comfort is idolized, courage becomes unthinkable.
	Cowardice is more common in this age because technology actually enables it.
	It's more common in this age because leaders have abandoned courage.
	In past centuries a boy grew up a models of brave soldiers, fathers, pastors, statesmen, who bore scars from real battles.
	A culture with cowardly leaders Produces cowardly followers.
	It's more common in this age because the church itself has been infected.
	Instead of raising men to stand, and uh they're training men to yield.
	And so uh that's the point that I wanted to uh go through with this.
	It robs God of his honor, it robs us of our independence and of our liberty, right?
	That's why people like Jefferson said that uh a um he would prefer dangerous liberty to the uh safety and comfort of slavery.
	So um we're going to take a quick break when we come back.
	We're going to talk to uh an author about his new book.
	It's called FDR, a political life.
	It's an excellent book.
	I haven't read the entire book, I'll admit, but uh I've read parts of it.
	I didn't have enough time to read, I just got it as a PDF.
	But the parts that I've read are stellar, and he's got some stellary views from people that I really respect, like Jim Bovard in this, and uh so uh they've written uh some comments in the foreword.
	But I think that it's a very important story for today, because FDR was of all things a fourth-turning president.
	He was somebody that was there, a society was being reorganized, and he moved it in a lot of the same directions that we're starting to see today.
	So there's a lot of parallels and to what is happening today.
	So we're going to take a quick break, and we'll be right back with our guest, who's the author of this new book on uh FDR, which is really a book for our time, as well as uh a treasure chest for anybody who's interested in history will be right back.
	Defending the American dream.
	You're listening to the David Knight Show.
	Welcome back, and I want to begin with a couple of uh uh statements from people that uh about this book.
	The book is FDR, a new political life.
	The author is David Beto, and uh this first one that's here is from Hillsdale College.
	Um uh it's uh Burton Folsom.
	He says, Um the book FDR A New Political Life is the most illuminating one-volume history of FDR ever written.
	American historians have come to recognize that Roosevelt's New Deal did not end the Great Depression but prolonged it.
	David Beto carefully explains why so many FDR programs and power grabs were so counterproductive.
	To go from the older FDR histories to David Beto's wonderful new work is to make a historic leap from the dark ages.
	Also um another author, David McCollus says when it comes to race and Western influence, FDR's vision of the world order was muddled by delusional phenomena.
	He was not a man of empire or genocide like his wartime allies, Churchill and Stalin, but he was a dreadfully old-fashioned Victorian quack, an amateur phrenologist who believed that repopulating the Pacific Rim with certain choice crossbreeding would create a better world for all.
	David Beto takes us further than his predecessors along the breadcrumb path into Franklin Roosevelt's thick forested interior.
	And um again, many uh wonderful still reviews.
	And I gotta say is even though I wasn't able to read the entire book, what I read of it really does match with this.
	I'll give you one more.
	This is from Jim Bovard, who we've interviewed on this show many times.
	He said historian David Beto, who previously exposed how President Franklin uh Roosevelt ravaged Americans' constitutional rights, is back with a new book, biv vividly exposing his personal perfidy from the dawn of Woodrow Wilson administration to 1945, the betrayal at Yalta and beyond.
	With volleys of research, Beto demolishes Roosevelt's reputation as one of the quote unquote great presidents.
	And so I I look at FDR like Lincoln.
	These are presidents who come in at a time of great societal upheaval and change and war, and they have an active role in redefining our society.
	I think we're in a time like that right now.
	This is a guy who ran as a peace candidate but then turned to war.
	He was there at the center of the fight between gold and fiat currency.
	Uh he was um uh uh preside over rapid expansion of Leviathan federal government with very creative excuses to override the Constitution.
	He instituted surveillance, and there was a free speech revolt against him.
	He also weaponized the FCC.
	And we can see, you know, we've talked about uh what was going on with the FCC.
	We pointed out that why should uh broadcast media have its content controlled when they don't control the press.
	Well, you can look to FDR for that.
	So uh joining us now is David Beto.
	Thank you so much for joining us.
	It's an excellent book here that you have.
	Thank you so much.
	Uh you know, you were you brought up the uh I mean if you don't mind the FCC issue.
	And uh and uh it brought to mind the contrast between FDR and Trump.
	You know, Trump makes these wild threats about uh the F involving the FCC, he goes public with it, he tries to get Jimmy Kimmel off the air, which really wasn't worth the effort, frankly.
	And um and he succeeds short term, but now Kimball is back on the air.
	So Trump looks silly.
	What FDR did is he did it behind the scenes.
	He did it carefully.
	He would never make a public statement like that.
	He went to the sponsors of, for example, there was a leading anti-New Deal radio commentator called named Boak Harder in 1938, one of the top-rated commentators in the country on CBS.
	And so how'd Roosevelt get him off the air?
	He did opening an IRS investigation, an immigration investigation, because Carter was from Canada.
	And then finally he went to the executives, or he went to the sponsors, including Marjorie Merriweather Post, who sold, well, at least she was a big one.
	She was the original owner of Mar-a-Lago.
	And uh she used her influence, and Carter was forced off the air.
	And by the end of 1938, uh all anti-New Deal commentators on the main networks were off the air.
	And uh despite the fact that most newspapers Were hostile to FDR.
	He had did it all quietly.
	He did it all behind the scenes with the scalpel where uh you know Trump used the blunt edge of the sword.
	We and maybe many ways we should be thankful for that.
	Yeah.
	That Trump is like a bull in a China shop so often, and sometimes when he doesn't need to get his way, he doesn't get his way because he's so I don't know, obvious about it.
	Yeah, maybe maybe his real thing is is more about getting uh Americans uh divided and fighting each other than it is about the actual reform.
	But what FDR did is something that we've seen a pattern of people in government typically doing, and that is working behind the scenes, quietly sending out messages to make sure that this uh group or that group is shadow banned or canceled, and uh you can use your own uh uh judgment in terms of doing this because you're a private corporation and you can do that.
	But of course, uh he kind of did that with um uh in terms of telegrams and things like the the before not the social media side, of course, but actual physical telegrams.
	Uh FDR had his involvement with that as well.
	And they see the early uh trends of the surveillance state is the technology has changed, but the nature of men in power hasn't really changed that much.
	Talk a little bit about the uh black Inquisition and things that were involved in that.
	Okay.
	Well, um the Black Committee was a Senate committee, was headed by Senator Hugo Black, uh, who uh who later ended up on the U.S. Supreme Court despite his Klan background.
	Um Black was an attack dog for the New Deal.
	He was really Roosevelt's main ally, I would say, in the in the Congress.
	He was the to-go-to guy.
	Well, Roosevelt wanted an investigation of anti-New Deal organizations.
	And Black was more than happy to cooperate in this.
	So Black would call in these witnesses and they they would, you know, sometimes successfully hold him off.
	He would bring in leading anti-New Deal figures.
	And so Black got the bright idea, or someone got the broad idea.
	Well, why don't I get their private telegrams?
	Telegrams were the emails, texts of the time.
	They were over half of long distance communication.
	People would say things in telegrams that they wouldn't say in letters, but they would say now in an email or a text.
	And uh there were thousands of them.
	They were instantaneous, virtually instantaneous.
	So Black goes to Western Union and the other telegraph companies and said, I want copies of all telegrams sent to and from uh uh members of Congress, and he had uh other people as well for like a six month period.
	And Western Union's response was, Are you kidding?
	You know, our customers would would hate that.
	And and Black goes to the FCC, gets approval, and of course the FDR would have had a hand in this.
	Um although again, he didn't really have to order Black to do anything because Black was serving the New Deal and uh got FCC approval.
	So again, it's FCC because telegraph companies were ordered to provide that was one example.
	All yeah, it's you know, millions of telegrams, but then they expanded the Black expanded the investigation to include other cities, targeted individuals, and so forth.
	So he went in there with his staffers into Western Union, and they had to keep copies of of the telegrams, right?
	Uh that was sort of part of their requirement.
	And he he they got bigger.
	That was a government telegram.
	That was a government went through them.
	Sorry, that was a government requirement to keep the copies in the first place.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Well, I think the telegraph companies probab maybe would have kept their own copies anyway.
	I don't know.
	But they they were required to keep copies of all telegrams.
	And they went through millions.
	And I couldn't believe this when I saw it.
	But yes, that was true.
	They went through about 10,000 a day over a very long period of time.
	And the committee staffers had instructions to don't look at anything of a personal nature.
	Just look at material related to lobbying.
	What would be lobbying?
	Well, the committee had a specific definition.
	Indirect or direct lobbying, indirect lobbying would be any attempt to influence Public opinion.
	So our conversation would be an example of that.
	So any attempt to influence public opinion would be considered lobbying.
	So they went through, copied selectively, and then when ambush witnesses, because this was all secret.
	None of the witnesses knew they were doing this.
	Wow.
	None of them knew.
	And eventually came out because Western Union informed, started to inform people who were being targeted.
	And one of them sued, uh very prominent law firm in Chicago, still there.
	Silas Strawn was his name.
	And Strawn was a heavyweight, and if in one in federal district court, by about that time, Black had done his damage, and he said, Well, we're done with our investigation.
	However, this was a very good precedent for the future.
	Um now, of course, Black could use the telegrams that he'd gotten his illegal booty, but he couldn't do any more of this kind of search, nor could official future congressional committees.
	Did they use very important precedent, but it's not very well known as a federal court judge.
	Yeah, we usually think about you know what's going on with FISA and everything, and um uh you know that came after World War II because uh with the creation of the CIA and NSA, they started uh getting uh information from the phone company, uh getting pin information.
	Who did they call and um and that type of thing, which they could infer a lot from, and um uh but actually this predates all of that.
	Were they using this as you said they they were um uh questioning people?
	Did they use this information as a perjury trap for people?
	Yeah, ask them a question that they already knew the answer to.
	I suspect that that kind of thing went on.
	I've I haven't come across it.
	I have reason to believe from just reading some of Roosevelt's comments that he was you know, this information was shared with him, but I can't prove it.
	Um I I think it was used for all sorts of nefarious reasons.
	See, historians have kind of looked in the wrong place.
	They've looked at people like Jagger Hoover, who again, there's a lot of things he did too.
	But the mass surveillance, this is the better example of mass surveillance, but um people haven't looked at it.
	In fact, I hadn't even heard of the black committee till about 12 years ago when I I was doing research and I came across it.
	I said, What's this thing?
	The black committee?
	What's that?
	Is that describing the nature of the committee?
	Yeah.
	No, it was it was a Senate committee, it was forgotten.
	Not by a lot of conservatives, though.
	Conservatives would be bringing it up in the 1950s, and that's part of the reason why McCarthyism came about, because they were pissed and they thought, well, you guys are now complaining about civil liberties.
	What about the black committee?
	And uh that's a parallel to today as well, isn't it?
	You know, when you suffer an injustice like that, uh you you feel entitled to propagate it against your enemies again, you know.
	So wait, you guys did it to us.
	So what about that?
	Let's do it again.
	I I love the title that you got.
	Yes, right?
	That's right.
	The same thing the JL J6 people were convicted of.
	Stupid law that should have been repealed.
	Exactly.
	Or at least severely limited.
	I like the way that you've got it here in the in the uh in your book, The Black Inquisition.
	You know, that that really does get your attention as you're looking at it just like it was like, oh, okay, critics.
	Yeah.
	The Black Inquisition.
	And then um there was a pushback against that.
	Part of it was uh William Randolph Hearst was, of course, targeted that because I guess they could say well anything that he says is going to be influencing public opinion, obviously.
	So let's get all of his telegrams.
	And so uh he actually you have a chapter here, the right and the left free speech coalition.
	So there's a pushback with that.
	He joined with the ACLU left as William Randolph Hearst uh pushing back.
	Tell us a little bit about that.
	Yeah, uh well, the black committee had gotten uh uh treasure trove of of hearst-related telegrams, but they they did a very stupid thing.
	They did a public subpoena.
	None of this was subpoenaed, by the way, but they did a public subpoena of one and only one telegram, um that they probably already had.
	And this telegram was where Hearst was accusing this prominent member of Congress, the committee chair of being in league with the communists.
	It was kind of a hyperbolic telegram.
	And I guess what the black committee, what Black thought was it'll people will just see that as so over the top, this will be good PR for us.
	But instead, what happened is other members of Congress, like um, you know, uh a guy named McCormack, who was future speaker of the House, a guy named Emmanuel Seller, these are new dealers.
	Um they say this is uncalled for.
	This is this the tactics of Mussolini.
	So it actually backfired on Roosevelt.
	Even many of his own New Deal supporters were against this.
	And this is this is a very interesting and very discouraging in some ways, because during this period, you had a lot of civil libertarians who on the left who were willing, even though they liked Roosevelt, who were willing to push back against him.
	And um that is not as true today.
	Maybe that will change now, but but it's not what it certainly hasn't been true uh today.
	Well, today we're so much more partisan and tribal, and we don't seem to care about principles, we don't seem to care about the rule of law, and that's true of both sides, isn't it?
	Well, yeah, it's the people at the time give you a sense of the difference.
	H. L. Mencken was an in-your-face kind of anti-New dealer, civil libertarian, you know, I don't know, agnostic.
	He alienated everybody, but he was friends with everybody.
	He had correspondence that span the political spectrum.
	He was respected, he was liked as an individual, could talk to people.
	I don't think there are as many people who can who fit in that category today.
	That's right.
	Yeah, he was real clever wit.
	I mentioned frequently his thing a year ago.
	If I had a gold coin and a flask of whiskey, the whiskey was illegal and the coin was legal this year.
	The the gold coin is illegal and the flask of whiskey is legal.
	So yeah, he was always that one, but he was always pointing out the absurdity of FDR, yeah.
	Uh so um I I think one of the very telling things uh about um uh FDR was the war and peace issue.
	And uh you got in here part of his speech, which truly is amazing that he makes when he's running as a candidate as a peace candidate.
	He says, I've seen war, I've seen war on land and sea, I have seen blood running from the wounded, I've seen men coughing out their gassed lungs.
	I've seen the dead in the mud, I've seen cities destroyed.
	I've seen 200 limping exhausted men come out of the survivors of the regiment of 1,000 that went forward 48 hours before.
	I have seen children starving.
	I've seen the agony of mothers and wives.
	I hate war.
	And you write, and uh he as he so often did, FDR exaggerated his ex his exposure to the fighting in World War I was limited and sanitized.
	Well, the Navy had sent him on a guided inspection of American naval and marine bases in Europe.
	The main impression conveyed by his contemporaneous contemporaneous diary diary account was that of a sightseer.
	So talk a little bit about that, how he ran as a peace candidate and then he flipped, pushing us into war.
	Well, it FTR was was was playing both sides of the street.
	For example, in the 1930s, he he'd been the guy to suggest, well, maybe we need neutrality laws.
	And and uh and then later he he pushed for repeal of the neutrality act, saying, I wish I'd never signed it.
	Never mentioned that he was the guy that helped to inspire it in the first place.
	So he was a rabid interventionist when he was assistant secretary of the Navy under Wilson.
	He was constantly trying to imitate his cousin Theodore and and get some sort of incident, possibly.
	Um so he was a hawk.
	But then in the 30s, he sort of realizes there's all this anti-war feeling and he appeals to that.
	Um he actually applauds the Munich Agreement, but then after that, he becomes much more uh of an interventionist, um, and uh uh uh certainly um aligns himself with Winston Churchill and so forth, but a lot of this is done quietly.
	Um so he's sort of playing both sides of the street, and he is in trouble in the 1940 election.
	His opponent, Wendell Wilkie, who was kind of an interventionist too, but starts talking like an America Firster during the last part of the campaign is making inroads.
	So FDR is worried about this.
	So very shortly before the election, he gives this speech.
	He'd never given a speech this strong, where he says, I've said this before, and I'll say it again and again and again.
	Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign war.
	Full stop, right?
	Yeah.
	And Wendell Wilkie heard that on the radio, and he said, that hypocritical son of bit son of a bitch is just lost me the election.
	And whether or not that was true or not, FDR was that was a clear motivation.
	His son went up to him and said, Dad, why did you say that?
	You've never said anything like that before.
	And he said basically, well, I had to win, you know, for the good of the country.
	That kind of thing.
	Um just amoral, an amoral figure.
	Yeah.
	Uh maybe worse in in so many ways.
	Uh uh very cynical, jaded man, I think, who had great charm.
	Yes.
	But um I never really cared for him.
	I'm gonna confess.
	Did you ever see that movie Sunrise at Campabello?
	No, I never saw that.
	Oh, it was a movie made in the 50s starring Rolf Bellamy playing FDR in his battle against polio.
	And uh I just, you know, Bellamy captured FDR in some ways.
	It was supposed to be a sympathetic portrayal.
	But there was just this charm, which always seemed a little bit phony to me.
	Yeah, and uh and and very calculating, but very effective.
	Yeah, he seemed he seemed that way to me as well, but I always kind of just dismissed that as you know, when you look at movies at the time, you know, people came across as very stiff and pretentious and you know, putting on airs and that uh that's kind of the way that a lot of people would come across, even in the movies of that time.
	They wouldn't come across as uh you know genuine or uh uh and so I kind of just uh put it up to the to the zeitgeist of the time, if you will.
	But yeah, it's uh it's interesting.
	And and you begin with his rise to power.
	Talk a little bit about that.
	Where'd this guy come from?
	Well, he he he he had a big advantage in that he he was born into comfortable circumstances, not super wealth, but but wealth.
	Um he was a a distant cousin of Theodore Roosevelt, and uh very distant, like seventh cousin, but the family had contacts with each other and and so forth.
	And he went, he did he did the typical trajectory of a of someone in that class.
	He was went to Groton, very exclusive private school, then he uh he went to Harvard, he got a Columbia his law degree from Columbia, he had very mediocre grades, he was not a good student, but he he was a gladhander, people liked him, he made his impact socially, and then it was uh some people approached him and said, uh, Mr. Roosevelt, we'd like you to run for Congress, or not for Congress, for uh state legislature in New York.
	You know, pr uh Theodore was president at the time.
	They happened to be Democrats.
	I guess they thought that that was a brilliant move.
	Now I say that if the Republicans had approached Franklin, he probably would have run as a Republican.
	Sure.
	In fact, he had supported his cousin very openly when his cousin ran for re-election.
	It was his first vote was for Theodore.
	But the Democrats asked him.
	Um it was a good Democratic year, 1908.
	So he ran as a Democrat and he was able to win.
	And from there, he just impressed people.
	Um he got the attention of um uh a guy named Josephus Daniels, who was secret secretary of the Navy, quite a racist, southern racist type.
	But Daniels was charmed by Roosevelt.
	He's he had a very apt comment.
	He said he was just like an actress.
	He had that.
	He had it, right?
	Um, and um and uh someone had said it was a case of love at first sight, you know, When Daniel saw him.
	And I don't think anything went on, but he made him assistant secretary of Navy.
	And from there, Roosevelt was imitating his cousin, either intentionally or by chance.
	Theodore had been in the legislature.
	Fodor had been assistant secretary of the Navy.
	And then Theodore was vice presidential candidate, as Roosevelt was in 1920.
	So the there are very similarity, a lot of parallels between them.
	One difference though, Franklin did not volunteer to fight in World War One.
	He was in his late 30s.
	could have his cousin theodore said you have to get into the infantry not just the navy you have to get into the infantry you have to get in the fight and roosevelt came back and said well my boss thinks i'm essential and maybe his boss did say that but theodore had a similar you know a similar boss he didn't have to go in but franklin was not the man that theodore was right and it And so he did not he did not uh serve in the military.
	So at that point he was able-bodied.
	At that point he was able-bodied and could have.
	Yeah, that was before his bow to polio.
	Yeah.
	Which was 1920.
	How old was he?
	1921.
	He was about how old when that happened.
	He was about 39, quite a young man.
	And um the story there's an interesting story there.
	Now a lot of people said, can't you say something good about Roosevelt?
	I will say that, you know, he showed great determination.
	Uh of course he had a lot of, he had a lot of help.
	He had a lot of doctors, he had a lot of, you know, leisure time, he had a lot of support, but he showed great courage in overcoming that.
	Part of the story that I was surprised by is who did he blame for the polio.
	He blamed a Republican senator.
	And the story on this is really fascinating.
	I begin my book with it.
	There was an investigation.
	Well, there was something called the Newport Scandal, the Newport Sex Scandal.
	Do you recall reading that?
	Uh yeah, no, I I skipped over to the to the black Inquisition.
	Um what happened was Roosevelt was assistant secretary of the Navy, and uh there was a guy at one of the naval bases in Newport who was investigating whether there were there were same-sex relationships going on in the Navy and thought this was you know a major scandal and so forth.
	And even did his own private investigations where this guy would find people to go in and they would actually have sex, right, with these men, right?
	To try to entrap them.
	So Roosevelt found out about this.
	The investigation was was was was basically had no funding.
	Uh the Secretary of War was ref uh had refused to back it.
	I mean, the attorney general had refused to back it.
	And Roosevelt stepped in single-handedly and set up a investigative unit headed by him called Section A in the Department of Navy, which investigated this issue of same-sex relationships in the Navy, and they would send out investigators who again would entrap people by having sex with them.
	And Roosevelt, I think quite clearly knew what was going on.
	A local journalist in uh Newport pushed back on this and and accused Roosevelt of doing this, and Roosevelt uh basically responded, said, Well, uh, you know, um, you know, um uh isn't it important if we you know to find what's going on here?
	Uh why are we so worried about procedure?
	And it was actually controversial.
	You would think this period was very anti-gay, and it was, but people in Congress and the press thought this was abhorrent.
	These tactics were beyond the pale.
	And uh he did his best to cover it up, and uh it weakened it, he i it it put so much tension on him uh that he said that it had lowered his resistance and made him more susceptible to the outbreak of polio, which may have been true actually, yeah, because it was a lot of us contaminated water, but again, if you're immunity, you know, if you had low resistance and so forth.
	So he blamed this senator until his dying day for causing his his polio.
	Well, you know what you're talking about.
	because of this Newport investigation which almost derailed his career, almost destroyed him.
	And again, lucky it's the tactic that's involved there.
	And people don't understand.
	And people don't understand.
	Everybody did.
	And you would think this would be a period where they would say, oh, they're gay, we need to root them out.
	And they may have thought that, but they did this is beyond the pale.
	And of course, these people that had been destroyed, many of them were innocent, um, you know, they didn't get any benefits, right?
	They didn't get uh military funerals.
	Uh they were destroyed.
	And uh Roosevelt is able to ride through it, partly because other things go on that divert public attention.
	But the New York Times is as a matter of fact, has a big story where it calls his behavior uh they they blame him for it.
	The Times blames him in this article, and basically, you know, comes to the conclusion he's unfit for office.
	But he's able to escape this somehow because of other things going on, and it it's forgotten.
	And most people today don't even know about it.
	But it's quite an important it's quite an important story in his life.
	Well, it reveals his character, which we then saw later when he's coming after political...
	Mm-hmm.
	Yet something done.
	This is viewed towards civil liberties.
	These people need to be shut up.
	Yes, and I think some way to shut them up.
	That was a real harm.
	That was a real hallmark of everything that he did, you know.
	He doesn't care.
	He doesn't care.
	Um that's a good question.
	I think he was always kind of a default interventionist.
	And I think a lot, you know, I mean, I think he did have an ideology.
	And I think he he had been a Wilsonian interventionist.
	He was a great admirer of Wilson, right?
	He defended Wilson when he ran for president in 1920, even though much of the public was sick of Wilson.
	He defended the worst aspect, the most repressive aspects of Wilsonianism.
	So I think that was his default position.
	That's the best way I could I could explain it.
	Um I I think the relationship with Churchill made a difference, but I think you see even signs of that before that, where he's trying to do it.
	Uh he his focus is on the North Atlantic by 1941.
	He is defin he is desperately trying to provoke an incident.
	Yes, in the North Atlantic.
	And he builds up minor incidents or you know, into cause celebs and is trying to get into the war.
	It's clear he wants to do that by 1941 by any means that he he can.
	Um, but the public is hostile to the idea.
	Overwhelmingly, the public is, you know, does not want to get in another foreign war.
	They remember World War I, they do not want to do that again.
	But he's able to get aid to Britain through Len Lease, which was very open-ended.
	But again, selling this is well, of course, we won't have to go in.
	You know, we can help the British, right?
	Give them the tools and they will finish the fight, as people used to say.
	Um and and and that kind of thing.
	But kind of where we are right now with Ukraine, right?
	Kind of where we are right now with Ukraine, I guess.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah, we can just give them the weapons and we won't really get involved.
	So But the Germans aren't taking the bait uh to the extent that he wants them to.
	So he kind of shifts to the Pacific, right?
	And there's massive sanctions against the Japanese that preceded Pearl Harbor.
	And of course, um uh w what do you have uh about Pearl Harbor?
	What's your take on Pearl Harbor?
	Did he uh engineer that to uh and keep things secret there in a kind of subversive way?
	What did what what is your opinion on the uh yeah again he is he his focus is the North Atlantic, but he eventually comes to the conclusion um well, you know if we're gonna go to war at Japan, that's fine with me.
	And you know, maybe we can get into the European war as well.
	I don't think I think that that's part of what he's he's pushing.
	And really, since, you know, he he he there were opportunities to to uh to have peace agreement with Japan.
	The uh Japanese prime minister offers to meet with Roosevelt in the middle of the Pacific to have a summit.
	So let's hash this out.
	Roosevelt doesn't take the opportunity.
	At one point the Japanese actually say that they were willing to evacuate China.
	He doesn't take the opportunity.
	So he's he's there's sort of a distraction.
	Now, okay, Pearl Harbor.
	Did Roosevelt know about it?
	I don't think he did.
	And my argument for that is I think the best evidence is that they did know that chip Japanese would attack.
	They thought the attack would probably be somewhere like the Philippines.
	Um, maybe in uh you know Singapore, somewhere like that.
	They did not think it would be Pearl Harbor.
	Very few people thought that.
	Almost nobody thought that.
	And part of the reason they didn't think that is they they didn't think the Japanese were capable.
	They didn't think they were good pilots.
	They didn't think that they could they could pull something out like that.
	And even the commanders on the ground, and Roosevelt did shortchange them.
	Short and Kimmel there at the Pacific.
	They wanted observation planes, but Roosevelt diverted all resources to the North Atlantic.
	They wanted, you know, they if they had had those observation planes, for example, it might have made all the difference.
	He shortchanged them.
	Uh but even they thought that the main danger from the Japanese was sabotage.
	That's one of the reasons why they put the planes in the middle of the of the field in many cases.
	It made them more vulnerable to attack, but theoretically less vulnerable to sabotage.
	So what is Roosevelt's first reaction after the attack?
	Well, it's from a butler who saw him, and Roosevelt's response was I will go down in disgrace.
	He thinks, my God, I didn't expect this.
	I'm gonna be in trouble because of this.
	Um I don't think I don't think they knew that the attack was going to be at Pearl Harbor, partly because they underestimated the Japanese.
	I think Roosevelt was reckless, however, that he knew an attack was going to come.
	I think he could have done much more to warn naval commanders throughout the Pacific than an attack was going to come.
	There were clues that it could have come at Pearl Harbor, namely the time of day.
	They did know the time of the day when the Japanese were going to, in the embassy, had been ordered, American embassy, to destroy their coats.
	And that was at 7 30 a.m., which would have been a very good time for an attack on Pearl Harbor.
	And they didn't put two and two together.
	So I think it's more in competence, but I don't buy the theory that it's been put forward by people like Stinnett, who makes this argument that um uh you know uh that uh we knew that the Japanese fleet was on the way and so forth.
	Um I I don't I don't see the evidence for that.
	Um we did break one of the codes, but we didn't break the the the crucial um you know naval code.
	Broke the diplomatic code.
	So we knew a lot of what was going on.
	Roosevelt knew a lot about it.
	He was reading a lot of Japanese mail.
	And maybe they could have put two and two together, but I think it was sort of racism in some sense.
	They just didn't think the Japanese could pull something like this off.
	You know, they found out, didn't they?
	Well, um talk a little bit about it.
	And I'd be happy to talk with people about it, but I don't buy that that he knew.
	Sure.
	Um that it was going to happen in Pearl Harbor.
	Sure.
	Well, talk about fear and emergency.
	See you.
	One second.
	One second.
	Okay.
	Well, when Roosevelt ran in 1940, 1932, he he he pledged to maintain sound money.
	Now he didn't exactly say, well, gold, but uh Hoover didn't either.
	But he also gave a speech right before the election called a little known speech called the Covenant Speech, where he would talk about uh, you know, gold contracts, the covenant, right?
	He said he would uphold the covenant.
	You know, basically, I will uphold you know the use of gold, right?
	Um then very shortly after the election, he makes a decision to go off the gold standard.
	He calls in his secretary of the treasury, who's much more uh actually Secretary of State, who's much more conservative than him on financial issues, Cordell Hull, and he says, Cordell, combat congratulate me, we're going off the gold standard tomorrow.
	And he pulls out some money, and it was a money that was issued by the whatever, the Federal Reserve Bank of uh Tennessee, I guess.
	He said, This is from Tennessee, your own state, Cordell.
	And what makes this money good?
	It's only good because we say it's good.
	Um and again, that is what he did.
	Then he does a lot of crazy things after that.
	He does a a program to purchase gold.
	Um, and he sets the pri well, no, to not to purchase gold, but to set the price of gold.
	So he said he has this gold buying program.
	And how does he determine the price?
	He determines it then from things like uh uh he says, well, I think the price should be 19 cents today because it's a lucky number.
	You know, he would say things like that.
	And Roosevelt was very superstitious.
	He had lucky shoes, he had lucky hats.
	Um so this is this is not as strange as you might seem.
	And it was just it was just a crazy, crazy town.
	But what saved us in terms of financially in the 30s was we had massive gold imports from both Europe and the Soviet Union, where people are taking their gold for obvious reasons out of those places and bringing it to the United States.
	So we have a tremendous gold inflow to the United States through those sort of happy, not happy, tragic accidents, I guess you could say, both from Russia and from uh because Stalin is buying a lot of American goods using gold.
	That's part of it.
	And of course, the gold is coming in from Germany because Jews and and others are taking their taking their gold out.
	Yeah, it's interesting.
	Um, when you when you look at how he was reacting, how he had his lucky shoes and all the rest of the stuff, and how arbitrary uh things were that sounds very familiar to in a disturbing way, doesn't it?
	Uh, you know, kind of erratic and arbitrary capricious what he's doing with these things.
	Uh we're starting to see a lot of the good word.
	Yeah.
	Parallels with Trump, but there are big differences too.
	Yeah.
	But uh, you know, I I think there are there's some there's some parallels that you can draw.
	Yeah.
	So uh talk a little bit about um the end of prohibition.
	That's that's one of the things uh everybody, you know, happy days is here again.
	Uh how much of that was um you know, did he uh build that up for his um his campaign and how much of that was really an initiative of his, or was it just that people had had it with alcohol prohibition at that point he got ahead of that?
	Was he um uh was he opposed on that by the Republicans?
	Or what what was the situation with the prohibition and um you know any of the things that we're gonna do?
	No, I don't discuss prohibition a lot, but but Roosevelt was a straddler.
	He wasn't gonna take controversial positions.
	He was also straddler on trade issues and tariff issues.
	Um he was not a leader of the anti-prohibition forces.
	There were Democrats who were.
	The more conservative Democrats, interestingly, tended to be the more anti-prohibition.
	And there was a big element in the party.
	And people were sick and tired of the prohibition laws by 1932.
	The Republicans chose to kind of avoid the issue.
	So Roosevelt and getting the nomination, uh it certainly was a popular position, but he also recognized that this is a this is a popular position.
	And he came out for uh uh for repeal of the constitutional amendment, bringing in prohibition.
	Um he took a very strong stand.
	I think there were other motivations though.
	One was it's a great ta tax source.
	And as a matter of fact, during the early new deal, even though they're talking about income taxes, most of the tax collections are from excise taxes.
	People like c things like cosmetics, cigarettes, uh, alcohol.
	Yeah, uh, that's where the bulk of the revenue is raised.
	So Roosevelt is raising the tax top rate to I don't know, eventually it gets you know well over 90%, but it's going way, way up.
	He makes a big deal about this, but that means that the wealthy find ways to find tax shelters.
	They don't pay it.
	So where does the actual money comes?
	It comes from the nickels and dimes of people going to movies.
	There's a tax on movie tickets.
	It comes from the nickels and dimes of working class people.
	But Roosevelt is very clever in never acknowledging that.
	And of course, the the excise taxes on liquor as well.
	Yeah.
	So I always think is maybe in the back of his mind too.
	And he uses that revenue source in a major way.
	It's always soak the rich, and then it's always the poor middle class that pay all the taxes.
	That's that's another thing that never seems to be.
	Another thing never stops.
	And uh, of course, uh the revenuers, you know, that's what they called uh the people that were coming after the stills and the in the mountains and everything, because that was really uh what they wanted.
	They wanted the money that was there.
	Uh so uh talk a little bit about the Supreme Court packing issue as well, uh, and his fight to uh essentially just completely rewrite the Constitution.
	Look at what happened with the New Deal.
	Should be called the New Constitution.
	Roosevelt proposes, he keeps his quiet again, but then in 1937, he's he's all puffed up because the 1936 election was one of the more spectacular landslides in American history, partly because Roosevelt was very effective in using New Deal money, targeted money.
	Uh and I could talk about that as well, how he was able to win such a big majority.
	But he thought I'm gonna get a third New Deal, right?
	He wanted to be more radical, he wanted to do more.
	But he thought, what good will that do if the Supreme Court, which has been struck striking down measures like the uh triple A and the National Recovery Administration, what good will all my effort be unless I I get a sympathetic court?
	Okay.
	Well, he he decides, he proposes to increase the size of the court, and his he gives a speech where he basically says they're overextended.
	They're they're old, they're tired.
	I want to help them.
	You know, they've got a big workload.
	Well, he gives a speech and he wants to increase the size of the court.
	And he he obviously thinks he can pull it off because I don't know, you're talking about something like gee whiz.
	The Republicans are down to like 16, 20 senators.
	I mean, it's he's got overwhelming majority.
	You would think um that he could pull this off easily.
	And he's so disingenuous, and it's so obvious what he's doing that there is a big movement against court packing, led by a new dealer, Senator Burton Wheeler, who'd been an ally of Roosevelt and turns against him.
	And Wheeler is the ideal guy to lead this effort.
	The Republicans are very smart.
	They lay back and let the Democrats take leadership, and they do.
	Now the campaign is very grueling, and it becomes clear during the campaign that Roosevelt is essentially one.
	Because one of the justices on the court has switched sides.
	And it's clear that he's probably going to get all of his New Deal programs sustained.
	But he keeps pushing on.
	I guess it becomes a matter of principle for him.
	He keeps pushing on.
	He pushes, pushes, pushes.
	The majority leader of the Senate is exhausted.
	Um, He is in bad shape.
	And he ends up having a heart attack and is found with a copy of the congressional record in his hand.
	His name is Joe Robinson.
	And Roosevelt is if it doesn't go to Robinson's funeral.
	Wow.
	And uh there's a lot of controversy about that.
	Why don't you go to the guy's funeral?
	Probably because he was pissed off that Robinson wasn't doing a better job.
	Anybody says, well, he would understand, you know, he he had to fight for the and uh it hurts Roosevelt no end, and Roosevelt is defeated.
	So in a lot of ways, that is an example of a left-right coalition.
	There are many examples, but that's one.
	He's defeated by Democrats.
	Could you imagine that happening under Biden?
	I would find it difficult to imagine that.
	Or Franklander Trump in the opposite direction.
	That's right.
	But it did happen then, which says something positive about Americans during that period.
	Americans in Congress conclude included.
	That's right.
	Much higher level of character in a lot of ways.
	And I've mentioned many times about the fact, you know, we have our war on drugs that's been going on for over half a century.
	But uh, we had the 18th and the 21st Amendment, which said that they had enough respect for the Constitution that everybody had they had a constitutional amendment to stop uh in order to uh start it and then stop the alcohol prohibition because they knew that they didn't have that power in the constitution.
	But today, you know, we don't care about that.
	We just do whatever we wish.
	I think it's kind of interesting.
	Everybody agreed on that.
	We have to have a constitutional amendment.
	That's right.
	It's one of the biggest arguments against the war on drugs, I think, is the fact that we have those two amendments that are there.
	But when you go back and you look at this particular case with the Supreme Court, the fact that uh he's got the votes, but he still wants to press on with this thing because it's a matter of personal prestige and power, I think.
	The same type of thing that we see with Trump.
	And yet, does he take the kind of vengeance uh against people who go against him and kind of a vendetta that we see Trump taking against Republicans, let's say he doesn't attend the guy's funeral or whatever, but you know, he gives him the cold shoulder.
	But uh did he really go after people like uh Trump will go after somebody like Thomas Massey who opposes him on his agenda?
	Yeah, again um deniability.
	And this is this is what what's interesting.
	There is an investigation under another loyalist.
	In fact, he'd been offered the position on the Supreme Court before black, but wanted to stay in Congress.
	His name was Senator Sherman Minton.
	And uh if you search his name, the thing that usually comes up is there's a bridge named after him.
	But now maybe that'll change.
	But Minton was a very young guy.
	He he was already in the Senate leadership, first term, and he was very tight with Roosevelt.
	And Mitten starts his own investigation, basically succeeds black's the black committee.
	He's it's the same committee.
	But black is now in the U.S. Supreme Court.
	And so Minton heads this investigation.
	They can't search telegrams anymore, but one of the things they do do is uh they use uh Minton gets Minton gets uh permission to look at the IRS uh uh uh uh tax for uh uh uh tax records of people he targets, for example.
	He gets that.
	But men gets very frustrated because there's a lot of put back, people push back, people are very upset about his methods, and he's he doesn't he lacks black subtlety.
	Black has some subtlety, and Minton is just charging forward.
	Um and so Minton gives this speech, he said, Well, we need a law against these big newspapers because most of the press was against Roosevelt.
	So he said, let's make it a felony to publish anything known to be untrue.
	Fake news, basically.
	In fact, they use that term, I think false news or fake news.
	Yes.
	And he proposes this bill.
	And um, what is the reaction to the bill?
	You almost universal opposition sets in almost from the beginning.
	As it is setting in, Roosevelt is asked about the Minton bill at a a news conference.
	And I think Roosevelt was the guy that had the idea.
	I think he put Minton up to it.
	I can't prove that, but I think it's true.
	Because Minton was not the kind of guy to go off on his own.
	And he reflects what Roosevelt thought of the press.
	He was asked about this.
	And he said, well, you know, uh, if we had such a bill, we wouldn't even have enough room in the federal prison system to hold all the prisoners.
	And he gets a little laugh, right?
	Yeah.
	And then he's he's he as he moves on to a new topic, and I wish they'd done follow-ups.
	They didn't.
	He says, you boys asked for it, you know.
	That's what he says.
	You boys asked for it, you know, meaning you reporters.
	You, you know, people, you asked for this.
	And then he moves on to the next topic.
	And he drops it, right?
	Because Minton ends up dropping it.
	But and and it discredits his investigation, and his investigation is pretty much shut down after that.
	So FDR's those two years after the 1936 election are a low point for FDR.
	There's pushback against him.
	He loses core packing, the Minton Committee collapses.
	And he is he puts all of his attention on court packing, and as a result, he isn't able to get his radical New Deal program in 1938, 3738 that he wanted because he focuses almost entirely on court packing.
	And then later, after it really is too late on these investigations.
	Um, you know, when all the institutions were being reconsidered, reinvented, if you will, and he's fighting against the constitutional pattern that had been accepted.
	Um that he was getting pushback again, even from his own party against some of this stuff because as we talked about, people understood the principles.
	And he had a lot of people who did not share his idea that the end justifies a means.
	And we don't see that today.
	We're in a much more dangerous situation, I think, when we look at that.
	That's why it's good to go back and look at history.
	You look at the radical change that was accomplished uh during the FDR period of time, and uh you look at the fact that now we have people on both sides have become unhinged from uh uh or have detached themselves from basic principles about free speech, the rule of law, and um uh you know having uh due process to investigate things like that.
	I think we're in a very dangerous time right now.
	I think this book helps to get people to understand that if we look at the uh context, the historical context of this.
	Yeah, and we're seeing a lot of people on the right who were talking about free speech and uh local control, states' rights.
	Yeah, turned on a dime.
	That's right.
	It's just very discouraging to see this.
	Yeah.
	Now they want to come after their idea of fake news, you know.
	Now they've got their own fake news vendettas that they want to come after.
	So it is there is so much here.
	I mean, we could do several interviews with this.
	This is an excellent book.
	It is a very important presidency to understand the context of the times uh in which we live in our government.
	And I really highly recommend this book, uh FDR, a political life uh by David Beto, and uh you pronounce you uh spell your name as B-E-I-T-O, is that correct?
	That's right.
	Yeah, so uh uh it's not spelled like the Texas uh politician.
	Oh, please no.
	And a lot of people will call him Beto O'Rourke, but I think it's Beto, actually.
	Oh, yeah.
	I believe that's the way his name is pronounced.
	Yeah.
	But I think it's a nickname.
	I think it is true.
	Yeah, I used to always call him uh Robert Francis O'Rourke or whatever is uh his his original name was.
	I said he was a he's a trans Hispanic, he identifies as Hispanic, even though he's not.
	I think he's a has been now.
	Let's keep it that way.
	Yeah, that's right.
	Yeah, we don't want to resurrect him with any attention, I guess.
	But um an excellent book, and thank you so much for joining us.
	And um there is much to learn uh uh in terms of um uh politics and history.
	It was a very seminal presidency, unfortunately, for many of us who'd like to see government that uh follows the Constitution, FDR's presidency was an unmitigated disaster, and it bears looking at it and uh see if we see any repetition in current events as a warning as a harbinger Of what's coming.
	Because as we were talking about earlier, you know, this whole stuff of secretly getting information on his enemies, we saw that immediately after World War II ended.
	We saw that immediately being transferred over to the NSA, the CIA, the FBI, all these people that are using the income taxes file people.
	These same tactics are used over and over again.
	Thank you very much, David Beto.
	The book is FDR A Political Life.
	Thank you, folks, for joining us.
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