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May 29, 2025 - The David Knight Show

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Thu Episode #2021: Free Speech or Hate Speech? Colorado’s New 'Deadnaming' Law and Its Consequences

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	As the clock strikes 13, it is Thursday, the 29th of May, year of our Lord, 2025.
	And Colorado is criminalizing Christianity to protect the LGBTQ.
	And will Trump pardon those set up by the FBI in the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot?
	And in this second hour, I'll be talking to 50-year cancer survivor Rick Hill about his story.
	Stay with us.
	Well, good morning, everyone.
	Hope you are having a good morning.
	And as always, I would like to ask you to pray for our Father.
	Just want to remind you that if you could pray for the nerves in his tongue and his vocal cords, that is specifically what he's requesting prayer on.
	So please keep that in your prayers.
	As I said, Colorado is criminalizing Christianity.
	And this article says, Colorado just criminalized Christianity.
	Now what?
	And of course, free speech is essential.
	To the free exercise of religion.
	But what they're doing is in a chilling assault on religious liberty, parental rights, biology, free speech, and Christianity itself, Colorado's House Bill 25-13-12, deceptively named the Kelly Loving Act, was signed into law by Governor Jared Paulus on May 16th.
	This legislation passed in a watered-down yet still dangerous form represents a radical overreach by the state, effectively criminalizing biblical convictions and punishing Christians for living out not only their faith, but the obvious truth that men are men, women are women, and no one can ever change their gender.
	Of course, as my dad always says, gender is Bob.
	Biological, objective, and binary.
	Since it was first announced for a hearing on April 1st, a fitting day for nonsense like this.
	It has been the center of a pitched fight between various coalition groups seeking to defend common sense in the extremely progressive Colorado legislature and governor.
	Courageous pastors from the Fight 1312 coalition state representatives like Scott Bottoms and Jarvis Caldwell and organizations like the Center for Baptist Leadership, the Centennial Institute, and Focus on the Family stood firm against its insidious provisions.
	Although this radical bill has become law, the fight is far from over.
	Christians in Colorado must rise, trusting in God's sovereignty to oppose this tyranny and defend the truth.
	That's right.
	If you are not allowed to say the truth, what do you have?
	As a reminder, HB 1312 is nothing short of insane.
	It expands the Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act, C-A-D-A, to define deadnaming.
	Using a person's birth name and misgendering, referring to someone by their biological sex, as discriminatory acts in public accommodations.
	This means that the Christian institutions will be stripped of the right to operate according to their biblical principles as declared in Genesis 127.
	So God created man in his own image.
	In the image of God, he created him.
	Male and female, he created them.
	As such, Christian schools, camps, and other organizations that uphold dress codes or bathroom and overnight accommodation policies aligned with a child's God-given biological sex or refuse to adopt inclusive policies mandating the use of pronouns and names according to a person's preferred gender identity could face lawsuits or penalties.
	That's right.
	If you do not bow to this, if you do not give in and go with their warped reality, you will be pulled into court.
	Even more egregious, the law threatens parental rights, although the most controversial provision, classifying deadnaming or exgendering a child as coercive control and custody disputes was reported.
	Yes.
	Not letting a child mutilate themself is hateful.
	It is hateful and even criminal, according to Colorado.
	The idea that misgendering your own child is considered coercive control, which is another word for abuse, child abuse, because you want to get your child help instead of affirming their delusions, is the most disgusting bill I've seen so far.
	God entrusted parents with training up a child in the way he should go.
	This is from Proverbs 22.6.
	Now, parents who take that command seriously risk state interference, loss of custody, and prosecution for upholding biblical truth.
	The opposition to HB 1312 throughout the legislative process was fierce and inspiring.
	Pastors from Fight 1312, a grassroots movement of Christians defending biblical truth, rallied at the Colorado State Capitol, urging believers to stand against what they rightly called a godless bill.
	It is an anti-God bill.
	They hate God.
	They want to undermine everything in the Bible.
	They want to attack Christianity in every way possible.
	Pastor Matt Patrick declared, Pastor J. Chase Davis, a key leader in Fight 1312, described the bill as an egregious assault on Christians, emphasizing its threat to the gospel itself.
	The Douglas County Commissioners also passed a resolution opposing HB 21. That's right, they love to do this sort of stuff in ways that will minimize the amount of eyes on it, minimize the amount of people that get to see it.
	Yet the battle continues.
	Pastors across Colorado are defying the law by preaching God's truth about sex and gender.
	Many pastors on our team plan to take the pulpit and preach loudly and clearly tomorrow, come what may, several will openly defy this new law because we love God, because we love our people.
	That was from Fight 1312.
	Meanwhile, the Colorado Parents Advocacy Network, CPAN, has filed the first lawsuit against the new Colorado law seeking to strike it down as a violation of constitutional protections.
	This legal action is a critical step and Christians must support it with prayer and resources.
	Yes, if you are in Colorado, this is a direct attack on your family.
	This is a direct attack on your free speech.
	They are coming after your children, so you will have to fight back.
	You will have to stand up against this in any way possible.
	You have to fight against this demonic injustice.
	I can't see this standing up in court, but who could say with the way the courts are?
	Yes.
	Wally Walrus.
	This is so against the First Amendment.
	Yes.
	Just like Lance said.
	Guard Goldsmith.
	Good to see you, Guard.
	Hope you're having a good morning.
	One of the big problems with this bill is the assumption that a business is not private, but is a public accommodation.
	This opens the private places to collectivist dictates.
	Yes.
	They are always trying to collectivize everything.
	They are trying to bring the arm of government.
	into every aspect of your life.
	So now the David Knight show is illegal in two states.
	Can't do Florida because of DeSantis' bills against criticizing the state of Israel and can't do Colorado now because of deadnaming and referring to people by biological sex.
	You're going to have to smuggle this show in on flash drives like they do in North Korea.
	In a statement to Fox News, Sarah Partial Perry, Vice President of Defending Education, which is leaving the lawsuit for CPA, said that the law muzzles parents and doctors to protect the state's preferred gender orthodoxy.
	Yes, it is their orthodoxy.
	It is their religion, their worship of the LGBTQ.
	Colorado can't seem to stop losing at the Supreme Court unconstitutional challenges to its anti-discrimination laws, and yet Governor Paulus has nevertheless signed another patently unconstitutional iteration of its Colorado Anti-Discrimination Act, something that can only be described as an exercise of remarkable hubris.
	That's right, they know better what's good for your child.
	They know that if they leave the child to you, you know, oh, you'll deadname them, you'll abuse them.
	That's how they see this.
	If you're not giving in to this insanity, if you're not caving to this horrific gender ideology, then you are the problem.
	You must let the child mutilate themselves, otherwise you're an abusive parent.
	Heber says, right, this bill is nothing less than an attempt by the leftists running Colorado to play God over biology, speech, parents, and religion.
	Thankfully, the Constitution and Supreme Court precedents provide a strong foundation for overturning this law.
	The First Amendment guarantees the free exercise in religion and the right to free speech.
	Rights HB 1312 blatantly violates by compelling speech, forcing Christians to use chosen names or pronouns.
	and punishing religious convictions.
	That's right.
	If some six-foot man is You have to accept that, and you can't go, Shirley, you jest.
	Dougda, 007, this just confirms what David has been saying this whole time.
	It's not enough to tolerate them.
	You must celebrate them.
	Yes, we're actually going to be talking about that in a little bit.
	They do not demand tolerance.
	They demand subservience.
	They demand that you...
	In Masterpiece Cake Shop v.
	Colorado Civil Rights Commission 2018, the Supreme Court ruled 7-2 that Colorado's application of CADA to punish Christian Baker, Jack Phillips, for declining to create a cake for a same-sex wedding violated his free exercise of religion, citing the state's hostility toward his beliefs.
	To strike down HB 1312, Christians must pursue a multi-pronged strategy.
	First, we should support lawsuits like CPANs, which challenges the law as a constitutionality.
	Second, many Christians should engage in civil disobedience by preaching the truth without fear.
	Trusting in God's promise, fear not, for I am with you.
	Be not dismayed, for I am your God.
	That's right.
	And of course, I know it's easy for me to say this, not being in Colorado, not being the one who will pay the price, but if you do not stand up against this sort of thing.
	It will stand.
	You have to be willing to risk certain things when it comes to the truth, even if it is your freedom or a fine or whatever they have in store for people who misgender.
	I have a comment from Dad.
	He says, you choose the name, and think about that fact for a moment.
	When you have a child, you give a child a name, and then when they send them to school, the school will rename the child and then give them a new gender.
	And if you use the child's given name from the parents, that's dead naming.
	In other words, the child you raised is now dead to you, according to them.
	Yes.
	They will remake the child in the image of this insane gender ideology.
	As Pastor Chase Davis warned, the bill's downstream effects could make sharing the gospel illegal.
	That's right, you can't tell these people that they are living in their sin.
	They are being demonically oppressed, that they are in need of a Savior, and that Savior is Jesus Christ.
	Since the gospel calls for repentance from sin, including the rejection of God's design for sex and gender, Colorado's churches must not cower.
	they must stand as the Apostle Paul exhorted.
	But the church is not...
	Colorado's Christians can fight back with God's strength through lawsuits, preaching, political action, and prayer, trusting that the gates of hell shall not prevail against Christ's church.
	The time is now.
	Churches must unite.
	Support Fight 1312, CPA and others, and speak the truth without compromise.
	The soul of Colorado and the nation hangs in the balance.
	That's right.
	If we continue to let these things go unchallenged, it will lead to even further insanity.
	This is not the end of the line.
	They can and will do worse if we do not fight back.
	And it's just shockingly evil that they're making this so that you can't criticize such an oppressive and evil outlook on life that, what is it, 40?
	1% of the people that transition wind up killing themselves?
	50%, yeah.
	Yeah, about 50% of people who identify as transgender attempt suicide.
	And they always point to that, well, they don't actually succeed.
	It's like, well, that's still a ludicrously high number to attempt it.
	That is still unacceptable.
	This ideology leads to death.
	And yet you can't criticize it.
	You couldn't say this ideology leads to death in Colorado now.
	Yes, you would be hauled up in court.
	Pride Month starts next week, and the Rainbow Beast demands your children.
	This is from Dissenter.
	June is almost here, which means the corporate spasm of rainbow flag waving is about to commence, with all the subtlety of a Vegas drag show crashing a funeral.
	Very...
	laughs
	I like it.
	Pride month, the holiest month in the calendar of Baal worship, is not content with simply your tolerance of them.
	Tolerance was the Trojan horse.
	Yes, they said they wanted tolerance, but they demand subservience, like we were saying earlier.
	It is not enough that you tolerate them, because as we all know, you only tolerate bad things.
	You can tolerate a little bit of poison.
	You can tolerate annoyances.
	Just tolerance implies that there is something wrong with it.
	And they can't even have that.
	They can't have the implication that there is something wrong with their lifestyle.
	But we all know there is.
	And for 30 days straight, you will be force-fed the gospel of sexual self-deification preached by everyone, from men in stilettos to bureaucrats in HR departments.
	And woe to those who dare roll their eyes.
	That's right.
	You don't want to be hauled up in front of the HR department.
	And lectured by some smarmy woman.
	Television becomes completely unwatchable, not because of bad acting or lazy writing, although there's certainly that, but because every other commercial wants you to believe that two bearded men in lipstick adopting a child is not only normal but beautiful.
	It's Hallmark, but filmed in Gamora.
	Excellent, excellent writing from this author.
	Disney, Netflix, Nickelodeon, pick your poison.
	They aren't even pretending anymore.
	The subtext has become text, and the text is a rainbow-colored manifesto screaming, give us the children.
	They're getting more and more obvious about it.
	As they have become more ascendant, as they have gained more power, they've had to hide their agenda less and less.
	It is about taking the children.
	It is about brainwashing them, because they don't breed.
	They recruit.
	They steal your children and bring them into this demonic, evil, corrupted lifestyle that will leave them unfulfilled and potentially lead them to suicide.
	Public libraries will be transformed into drag dens where grown men play dress-up and gyrate in front of toddlers, while the local school board claps like trained seals.
	Don't ask why it's always the children.
	You know why.
	You know exactly why.
	And if you don't try organizing a heterosexual heritage story hour, and see how fast the tolerance police arrive with pitchforks and press releases.
	Mainline churches will be decked out in pride gear.
	Rainbow flags draped over the communion table.
	Sermons deifying Harvey Milk and lesbian pastors giving out free mom hugs at the parades.
	Public schools are just indoctrination camps with a side of cafeteria slop.
	Public education has become public reprogramming.
	I would say it has always been public reprogramming.
	It was just more subtle before.
	But since, as I said, they have gained more power, they no longer have to be subtle about it.
	They won't teach your kids how to write in cursive, but they'll sure as heck make sure they can list all 57. How many are we up to now?
	Genders before lunch.
	Reading, writing, and arithmetic?
	That's outdated.
	Now it's identity politics, inclusion, and intersectionality.
	DEI, the other three-headed monster of corporate repentance and state-sanctioned thought reform, has devoured the curriculum.
	Your child doesn't need to learn biology.
	They need to learn that biology is a construct.
	And Johnny can be Jenny if he wears a dress and cries in the right pronouns.
	It's not enough that society is on fire.
	They want your kids to dance in the flames.
	That's right.
	They want your children.
	They need your children.
	They have to recruit them.
	They have to induct them while they're young because if they don't, you have a natural aversion to this kind of thing.
	It makes you uncomfortable at minimum and a little sick.
	Meanwhile, the very institutions tasked with protecting innocence have thrown it to the wolves.
	The church down the road, flying the pride flag, hosting LGBTQ plus affirmation, workshops, and mumbling through Romans 1 like it's an awkward family dinner.
	The big corporation you work for, the schools, the local police department.
	And you, you're the bigot.
	You're the backward, unloving, patriarchal threat to democracy because you don't want your daughter This is Conquest.
	It has nothing to do with individual rites and everything to do with religious rites.
	It's ritual pagan child sacrifice.
	Only now it's done with glitter and hashtags.
	And of course we have seen child sacrifice crop up in many forms across many centuries and millennia.
	Satan is always interested in killing children.
	Whether it's physically or spiritually, he will take whatever he can get when it comes to harming children.
	That is how he operates.
	So if you're still sitting your kids in front of the TV, taking them to the library, or dropping them off at public school, as if you're not handing them over to be catechized by Caesar in a dress, ask yourself why.
	Ask yourself what you're really doing.
	Are you raising your child, or are you offering them up?
	There's a reason they call it pride, and they're a reason God hates it.
	That's right.
	Pride was the original sin of the devil.
	That was what got him thrown out.
	The real Octo spook.
	These biological lies and atrocities are nothing but an attack on reality and sanity.
	Sex mutilations are an evil which never would have been allowed to exist not long ago.
	The hired by election public servants have stopped representing us with our consent and are now attacking us.
	Weaponized homosexuals, sex organ mutilators, and the terminally insane seem to be their munitions of choice in a war on Americans and humanity.
	Yes, they have launched an all-out attack.
	The LGBTQ are the shock troops because they are the most mentally ill.
	They will engage in any kind of behavior that will advance their agenda.
	It doesn't matter to them.
	There was a book.
	I forget who it was written by, but it was...
	I forget their names, but it was a...
	called After the Ball, and it basically detailed how they needed the homosexuals to change their behavior and change their ways.
	The two men who wrote were both homosexuals as well, and move away from the, you know, bathhouse parties and things of the 80s, and move away from the open degeneracy, and become the sort of friendly gaze that you see on TV, so that they could be shoved more into the spotlight, so they could be seen as less threatening, to become more accepted.
	It's a very, very chilling plan, and you could see it take effect through the late 90s into the 2000s, but now they're in ascendancy, they're reverting back to their nature of this open degeneracy, this flagrant in-your-face nonsense.
	North American House Hippo, I'm sure glad I'm old enough that this garbage wasn't happening when I was in the public fool system.
	That was back during the, uh, Yes.
	First they made it kind of friendly, kind of quirky.
	You know, oh, it's just two guys that live together down the street and they both wear sweater vests.
	And they have a very nice house and a very nice yard and a very nice car.
	And you would love to have these guys in your neighborhood.
	But now we see what it's really about.
	It is about getting your child and teaching them that they're the opposite gender.
	And leading them into this ideology that will lead them to try to kill themselves.
	And then making it illegal to argue against it or try and top them out of it.
	It is not enough to tolerate them.
	You must worship them.
	House of David star Michael Iskander credits work of the Holy Spirit for show's success.
	And I didn't actually watch the show.
	But my dad said he watched a little bit of the opening and just had to turn it off because it was so ridiculous.
	He says, nope, the Hopely Spirit's work was stolen and perverted.
	The actor who portrays Israel's legendary king in the hit prime video series House of David is crediting Divine Intervention for the show's remarkable success.
	Michael Iskander was a relatively unknown actor until he landed the lead role.
	I still don't know who this guy is.
	Portraying a young man who boldly defends God's honor while others falter and even bow to idols.
	House of David soared to number one for its season one finale, passing such titles as The Bondsman, Wheel of Time, Wheel of Time.
	On Irwin, Jesus Revolution, I can only imagine John Gunn, the unbreakable boy, The Case for Christ, directed it.
	It's a blessing, Iskander told Crosswalk.
	Headlines referencing the series' popularity and ultimately the success of the show is the work of the Holy Spirit.
	So I'm thankful to him and I'm thankful to all the amazing people that work for the show and the Johns and every single member of the crew.
	I mean, we struck gold with everybody working on the show, so it's a blessing, and it's an honor to get to tell the story.
	From what he told me from the opening, you see David approaching Goliath, and Goliath has multiple spears, and he throws one, and David sort of dodges out of the way, and the spear impacts behind him.
	And Goliath throws another spear, and it impacts behind him.
	And he throws a third spear.
	And it nicks David in the side, causing him to fall down.
	And it starts to either zoom in or zoom out of David lying on the ground.
	Then it cuts to, you know, some time earlier.
	She's like, okay, this is just typical Hollywood crap.
	They're embellishing.
	They're adding things to the story, trying to make a more focused or engaging narrative.
	I believe the success of this really just goes to show how starved people are for any kind of wholesome biblical entertainment.
	And they're just having to make do with this, whatever it is.
	Also, just how starved they are for any kind of just reasonably good entertainment.
	Hollywood makes nothing but garbage anymore.
	it is incredible to see the terrible, terrible content they put out.
	They are just, at minimum, bad movies, but generally they are evil as well.
	They promote evil ideologies and try to push this agenda on anyone through their propaganda.
	Well, that is it for what is going on in the world of Christianity.
	We should not be surprised by it, but we shouldn't look away from it either.
	We shouldn't just accept it.
	We are supposed to stand up and still declare the gospel.
	But we will take a quick break, and then we're going to take a look at what's going on with the men in the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot.
	Stay with us.
	Stay with us.
	Stay with us.
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	you Defending the American Dream.
	You're listening to The David Knight Show.
	Welcome back.
	We've got some comments.
	Wally Walrus, next stop, open pedophilia in Colorado.
	Yes.
	Whenever you see what goes on at pride parades, they are continually exposing children to their sexual deviancy and degeneracy.
	We've seen so many horrifying pictures, whether it's It is truly disgusting.
	And anyone should be able to look at that and go, this is evil.
	This is the work of the devil.
	Even if they don't believe in the devil, they should at least be able to say, this is evil.
	But they don't.
	They stand back, and as that article said, they clap like seals.
	And of course, now we're going to look at what's going on with Gretchen Whitmer.
	We've got a few more comments.
	Nights of the Storm.
	Hollywood is like McDonald's.
	It's garbage and increasingly expensive.
	Yes, the movies get more and more expensive as they get worse and worse.
	SoloCat1980.
	The Gretchen Whitmer fake plot to make her look like a victim brought to you by the retarded feds.
	Yes.
	The feds have a playbook and they continually find some people that are usually isolated, potentially have some kind of mental problem, but get them involved in some kind of plot.
	They surround them with federal agents who supply them with whatever they need.
	They'll give them bomb supplies or guns and then bust them and go, look what we did.
	Look at this terrorist that we foiled.
	And then they completely omit the fact that they were the one that incentivized them.
	They continually told them, we should do this.
	We should do this.
	They gave them the supplies.
	Guard Goldsmith.
	One of the big problems with this bill is the assumption that a business is not private, but it is a public accommodation.
	This almost, this...
	That's the problem with the Marsh v.
	Alabama ruling and the public accommodations portion of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
	Once something is made public in the eyes of the government, even though no tax money is spent on a private shop, the government controls and arguing over operations becomes endless.
	That's right.
	Once the government gets its foot in the door...
	Alabama, that was a case where it was a company town and someone was handing out which is a good thing.
	This is restricting free speech.
	They held that up, even though it was a private town, because the First Amendment guarantees free speech.
	So they're taking the government protection of free speech, which they have never applied to digital public squares or any area in which it would actually be defending free speech, and they're turning it on its head as a way to attack it.
	We've got a comment here from Audi MRR.
	Howdy, Travis Whistler and DK family, excluding the feds and paid trolls.
	You can wish them a good morning, too.
	I hope everyone in chat is having a good morning, even the feds and the trolls.
	Were they set up?
	That's a big yes.
	Trump administration considering pardons for those convicted in Whitmer kidnapping plot.
	The Justice Department is considering a pardon for two individuals convicted of a conspiracy to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
	And you'll remember that my dad interviewed the woman who did that, uh, the play.
	Yes, Kidnap and Kill is the name of the film.
	The website is knkfilm.com.
	Her name was Christina.
	She also goes by Radix Verum, which I believe roughly translates to Root of the Truth.
	The Justice Department is considering a pardon for two individuals convicted of a conspiracy to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
	Martin stated that we can't leave these guys behind and that these are victims, just like January 6th.
	This is from the Detroit News.
	The arrests of Barry Croft Jr., Adam Fox, and other anti-government extremists rocked the homestretch of the 2020 presidential election.
	Authorities said the cabal wanted to grab Whitmer, a Democrat, at her vacation home and start a civil war.
	Croft 49 and Fox 42 were portrayed as leaders of the scheme.
	They were convicted of conspiracy in federal court in Grand Rapids, Michigan in 2022.
	Croft, a trucker from Delaware, was also found guilty of a weapons charge.
	Croft was sentenced to nearly 20 years in prison, while Fox, a Grand Rapids man, got a 16-year term.
	They're being held at a prison in Colorado, the most secure in the federal system.
	We've seen the conditions that these prisons are.
	the conditions they keep these prisoners in these places.
	Whitmer was never physically harmed.
	Martin called it a fed-napping plot, not a kidnapping plot, apparently referring to the numerous undercover FBI agents and informants who had infiltrated the group and built the case.
	They didn't just build the case, they probably built the plan, built the entire agenda, ginned up this idea.
	He said it looked like the weaponization of government.
	I have complete confidence that we're going to get a hard look at it.
	The president will want to know the facts about it, Martin said, pledging to get on it as quick as I can.
	I promise.
	I mean, you can just look at the way they entrapped Randy Weaver.
	I was actually born during the Ruby Ridge standoff.
	It started on my birthday, so it has been something that I have been interested in for many years.
	It was one of the things that kicked off the modern era of the government, in my opinion, of course.
	This is downstream from all the bills that pass and all the things that happen in secret.
	We normally only see the large outcomes of the very small, quiet workings of these bureaucrats.
	Randy Weaver, I believe the case was that he was a federal agent, came to him and asked him to modify a shotgun sawing it off just short of the legal limit.
	And then came after him for that, correct?
	Yes.
	A federal agent came to him and said, hey, I want you to modify these shotguns.
	And he was like, okay, I'll do it.
	Because, of course, the Weaver family was not very well off financially.
	They needed the money.
	And that, of course, the federal government knew.
	They knew he was very liable to say yes.
	They entrapped him.
	And I believe, memory serves, they wanted him to continue to make guns and infiltrate some other organization that they viewed as a white supremacist or a militia.
	And he was like, I'm not going to do this for you.
	And that's when the federal government became very upset.
	And of course, that led to the tragic shooting of his wife, and I believe one of his children as well.
	Yes.
	The U.S. Justice Department's new pardon attorney Ed Martin Jr. says he is conducting a review of the case involving Barry Croft Jr. and Adam Fox who were convicted in a plot to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer and are currently serving long federal prison sentences.
	The FBI originally arrested 13 men suspected of orchestrating the supposed kidnapping plot in October 2020.
	Some of the individuals were allegedly affiliated with the Wolverine Watchmen, a paramilitary militia group.
	Scary words, paramilitary and militia.
	The alleged plot was motivated by anger over her onerous lockdown orders during the COVID-19 pandemic.
	Six of the suspects, including Fox and Croft, faced federal charges, while the others were charged at the state level.
	Two of the defendants were convicted in August 2022 following their first trial, which resulted in a hung jury.
	Still, the cases raised suspicions about how the FBI conducted its investigation.
	How did you get all this information?
	How are you so intimately connected?
	Always the question.
	The agency's use of informants and undercover agents prompted some to allege that it entrapped the men and questioned whether the plot was authentic or concocted by the Bureau to target the men.
	It becomes really dicey when there are nearly as many informants there as there are defendants, a former prosecutor noted.
	And that's what we always see.
	These people surrounded by federal agents, goading them, egging them on.
	Defense attorneys argued the FBI informants took leadership roles in the supposed plot, leading training sessions and other activities.
	And again, that's what we always see.
	They get involved with these people, and they start pushing and pushing and pushing these ideas.
	You know, we should really do something.
	We should do something big.
	We should do something, you know, insert act of violence here.
	Admitted that he instructed an informant to take on more leadership when training the men to avoid law enforcement.
	The defense further argued that the Bureau specifically targeted people who espoused anti-government views and encouraged them to commit crimes.
	The judge prevented the defense from presenting evidence of communications between FBI handlers and informants to support this argument.
	Now, you can't introduce this evidence.
	This might make the government look bad.
	We always see whatever hand of government.
	Is the one tasked with looking into itself, they will cover for any other part.
	Whether it's the judiciary, the judiciary, or the legislative, they will always cover for one another.
	Or, of course, the executive, the three branches.
	The FBI has come under scrutiny on several occasions for goading vulnerable individuals into participating in criminal or terrorist plots.
	It makes sense that Martin would take another look at this case because the details surrounding it were fishy, to say the least.
	And now, we're going to talk about the auto pen.
	Shh, don't tell Joe.
	Infamous Democrat named on national TV as controlling Biden's auto pen.
	We actually have a clip here regarding that, which will play for you.
	This is the financial system of the future, Jesse.
	And we have to encourage it.
	What the Biden administration was doing, and let's face it, it wasn't Biden.
	Elizabeth Warren controlled the auto pen during that administration.
	She, for some reason, has this pathological hatred of the crypto community.
	She wants to drive this community offshore.
	She doesn't want it happening in the United States.
	That's the wrong policy for the United States.
	We want all the innovation happening here.
	This is a financial system of the future.
	It's cheaper.
	It's more efficient.
	We want it happening here, Jesse, and I think people are thrilled that President Trump is making that possible.
	That's right.
	It was apparently Elizabeth Warren who was in control.
	And this is on WorldNetDaily by Joe Kovacs.
	And again, the article is, shh, don't tell Joe.
	Infamous Democrat named on national TV as controlling Biden's auto pen.
	According to David Sachs, President Donald Trump's crypto and artificial intelligence czar, it was actually Democrat U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts who ran the electronic signature device.
	Shh, don't tell Joe, said Jesse Waters of Fox News after Sacks spilled the beans on his primetime show Tuesday night.
	David Sacks just said Pocahontas had the auto pen and wasn't afraid to use it.
	Sacks claimed Warren ran the auto pen due to her pathological hatred of the crypto community.
	This is the financial system of the future, Jesse, and we have to encourage it.
	Elizabeth Warren controlled the auto pen during that administration, Sacks said.
	She, for some reason, has this pathological hatred of crypto community.
	That's because she wants the full CVDC.
	She doesn't want any half measures.
	She wants to make sure she has total control.
	Not even if it means sneaking in the back door.
	She wants to kick your front door down.
	We want all the innovation happening here.
	This is a financial system of the future.
	It's cheaper.
	It's more efficient.
	We want it happening here.
	Do we?
	I don't think we do.
	I don't want this system.
	And I don't think...
	Jesse and I think people are thrilled that President Trump is making that possible.
	That's right.
	Good old President Trump.
	Once more, pushing for something that will restrict freedom.
	Who could have seen it?
	A Syrian girl.
	The real danger in Hollywood pushing Bible movies is that they will inevitably be changed to be more dramatic or visual.
	And Christians don't know their Bibles well enough to avoid this deception.
	That's right, they will change it little by little.
	And since, as you said, Christians don't know their Bible, they won't notice.
	They will come to believe some strange, very weird version of the Bible.
	Was it the Cecil B. DeMills?
	Ten Commandments, where they change, let my people go so they can worship me, to just let my people go, and now many people misquoted with the movie version.
	That's right.
	About two hours before Waters' program aired, Trump took to Truth Social to address the Autopen mystery, saying, other than the rigged presidential election of 2020, the biggest scandal in American history is the Autopen.
	I'm pretty sure there are some other larger scandals we could look at.
	Whoever used it was usurping the power of the presidency, and it should be very easy to find out who that person or persons is.
	Of course, this is the biggest scandal because it's related to Donald Trump.
	Anything that impacted him or came after his loss in 2020 is a huge scandal because it impacted him directly.
	It's ridiculous that these people are pretending shock that this senile old man that can't tie his shoes and has no idea where he is wasn't the one actually in control of all the executive orders he was doing.
	Like, are you really surprised?
	Gasp!
	No, not Joe Biden.
	He wasn't the one signing the bills.
	I am distraught.
	They did things that a Joe Biden of sound mind would have never done.
	And of course, I don't believe that either.
	I think Biden would have signed them indiscriminately, whether he was of sound mind or not.
	He's just another puppet.
	Like open borders, transgender for everyone, men in women's sports, and far more.
	Fear not, however.
	We will bring back America.
	Back bigger, better, and stronger than ever before.
	House Oversight Chairman James Comer has already identified five Biden aides allegedly involved in the cover-up of Biden's deteriorating.
	Well, they weren't very good at it.
	I don't think he can even be in the race, let alone win the race.
	The only people that were fooled by it were those that only look at the hard-line propagandists.
	Yeah.
	In fact, I would argue most of those didn't even fall for it either.
	They just didn't care.
	They're more than willing to claim, oh no, he's fine, just so long as it means a Democrat is the one in power.
	On May 22, he sent letters to President Biden's physician and former White House aides demanding they appear for transcribed interviews.
	Homer is demanding testimony from Biden White House physician Dr. Kevin O'Connor, former director of domestic policy counsel Neera Tanden, former assistant to the president and senior advisor to First Lady Jill Biden, Anthony Bernal.
	Why does...
	What is she getting up to?
	Anthony Bernal, former assistant to the President and Deputy Chief of Staff Annie Tomasini, former special assistant to the President and Deputy Director of Oval Office Operations Ashley Williams.
	Comer said, The cover-up of President Biden's obvious mental decline is a historic scandal.
	The American people deserve to know when this decline began, how far it progressed, and who was making critical decisions on his behalf.
	That is...
	Because if Joe Biden was actually legally and lawfully elected, that means he is the one that is supposed to wield that power.
	And if he is incapable of that, it is supposed to be passed off to the next in line.
	It is not for these bureaucrats to come in and assume control.
	Key executive, to be fair, the bureaucrats are in control.
	It was just a more direct and obvious form of control this time.
	Key executive actions signed by Autopen, such as sweeping pardons for the Biden crime family, must be examined considering President Biden's diminished capacity.
	Now that would be funny.
	If they could revoke these pardons based on the fact that Joe Biden was not cognitively competent enough to actually issue them.
	Oh well, since he wasn't the one that did it, it's not actually a presidential pardon.
	Now that would be funny.
	Hammer all these people.
	Today, we are calling on President Biden's physician and former White House advisors to participate in transcribed interviews so we can begin to uncover the truth.
	That's right.
	Revoke Fauci's pardon.
	In the last Congress, the Biden White House blocked these individuals from providing testimony to the Oversight Committee as part of the effort to cover Biden's declining health.
	Any continued obstruction will be met with swift and decisive action.
	The American people demand transparency and accountability now, while I firmly believe that there will be no...
	They might pull a Trey Gowdy and have a hearing where they berate these people.
	They pull them up and get some good moments on camera so they can look good to the voter base.
	But they do not like prosecuting their own.
	Be my valentine.
	The pen is mightier than the sword.
	That is right.
	And I wouldn't trust Joe Biden with a sword anyway.
	would you?
	Biden official who wanted men in girls bathrooms to consult on education policy.
	President Joe Biden's liberal pro-abortion pro-DEI Secretary of Education Miguel Cardona is offering his consulting services to various educational entities.
	Doesn't this sound like the type of guy you want advising the school your children go to?
	Just such a kind and caring individual.
	Cardona, through his first...
	But Cardona has a controversial record as Secretary of Education, as pointed out by the Daily Caller.
	Under his tenure, the Department of Education argued that Title IX, which is meant to ensure women have the same access to educational opportunities as men, applied to gender identity.
	Before we move on from the David Sachs and AutoPen story, I have a comment from Dad.
	David Sachs is so in the tank for crypto, he's the mirror image of Elizabeth Warren with his obsession of imposing CBDC.
	Our financial issue is that she always wielded the power creating the CFPB.
	Equally as scandalous as an auto pen being wielded by staff is an autocrat who does as he pleases without regard for the rule of law or constitution.
	Under his tenure, the Department of Education argued that Title IX, which is meant to ensure women have the same access to educational opportunities as men, applied to gender identity.
	That's right, so just claim you're a woman and get a female.
	Scholarship.
	There's also the fact that women have been doing better in school for years, better in school than men, because it is more set up to appeal to women.
	Guys, even less than girls, don't like to sit around and do nothing for hours on end.
	Many, many boys are diagnosed with some kind of disorder simply because they don't want to sit there and listen to someone drone on for eight hours.
	It is hellish.
	Right overture.
	When did Biden ever have a sound mind?
	That is a valid question.
	Certainly not in my lifetime.
	I think maybe you could argue that he had a sharper mind than he does now, but he was always a lying criminal scumbag.
	In practice, this meant trying to force schools to let gender-confused men shower in girls' locker rooms and beat up women in sports.
	The Daily Caller notes further, Cardona also spent much of his tenure as education chief focusing on diversity, equity, and inclusion, issuing multiple grants to schools to train a diverse educator workforce.
	That's right.
	It's not important whether or not they're a good educator.
	It's important whether they're a diverse educator.
	And of course, We don't support the public schools anyway.
	It is always a bad idea to turn your children over to these places, whether they have been focused on DEI or not.
	Cardona was also allegedly behind a push to use the FBI to investigate parents who spoke out against schools that brought critical race theory and gender ideology into classrooms, reportedly calling on the National School Boards Association, NSBA, to author a letter labeling such parents as domestic terrorists.
	That's right.
	If you object to critical race theory, if you object to your child, if he's white, being told he's the problem, that he's evil for simply existing, if you object to him being taught that he has to worship these other races and that he should always be obsequious and subservient to them, that he is ontologically evil, then you're a domestic terrorist.
	That's how these people operate.
	They are always going after the children in any way possible.
	Whether it's the LGBT demons or the critical race demons.
	Audi MRR, only a fool would let his enemy educate his children, Malcolm X. That is a very true quote.
	If you turn your children over to these people, you are turning them over to the devil.
	Don't be surprised when they come back changed and much, much worse.
	Under Attorney General Merrick Garland, Federal law enforcement was ordered to closely surveil parents and other concerned citizens who exercised their First Amendment rights at school board meetings, criticizing COVID policies and the framing of racial and sexual issues in the classroom.
	The directive came after Cardona, coordinator of the NSBA, as previously reported by LifeSite News.
	This targeting of American citizens drew a rebuke from an official House committee.
	There was no legitimate basis for the memo, according to a 2023 report from the Committee on the Judiciary.
	and the Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government.
	Following the reversal of Roe v.
	Wade in 2022, Cardona joined with the entire Biden administration to do anything in his power, real or imagined, to push the killing of innocent pre-born babies.
	Cardona claimed that abortion is necessary for the success of American students, slamming the University of Idaho for last week shutting down birth control access and telling employees they cannot promote abortions under state law.
	Cardona claimed that access to abortion is critical to the well-being and success of our nation's students and that students need abortion to thrive in school life.
	That's right.
	If your child is not allowed to kill their child if they have one, how can they succeed in school?
	Well, there are more important things than academic success.
	There are more important things than getting into a good college.
	Not that I would call them good colleges.
	And I think perhaps that not murdering children is one of them.
	But we all know that is simply a pretext.
	We know that they don't really care about education beyond the fact that it is an indoctrination camp.
	We know that they simply like killing children.
	They enjoy murdering babies.
	It is one of their rights, R-I-T-E-S, rights.
	They hate children, and they want to kill them under any excuse.
	Well, that's that for that article, and our guest will be joining us in about five minutes, but I am going to take a quick break right now, and we will be right back.
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	Well, welcome back, folks.
	And joining us now today is our guest, Rick Hill, a 50-year cancer survivor.
	And we wanted to get him on so we can tell his story about what he did.
	And thank you for joining us, Mr. Hill.
	How are you doing today?
	Doing good, Travis.
	And it's Rick.
	Rick, I'm so...
	I'm very sorry about that.
	No, no, I'm glad to be able to share my story because it's an important one, especially since COVID.
	Oncologists that I speak to, and I talk to through a forum regularly, They are having what they're terming turbo cancers.
	And that means that patients that they treated 10, 15, 20 years ago that were in total remission got the jab and now they've relapsed.
	And this is not an isolated incident.
	It's happening all across the world.
	So the way I know it is I talked to one of them before I I made the decision on that.
	I called him up and said, my employer wants me to get this shot, and I'm conflicted.
	He said, well, you should be.
	I said, oh, okay, tell me about that.
	He said, will you lose your job if you don't get it?
	I said, yeah.
	He said, fine, I'd rather you sell pencils on the corner.
	And he said, this is serious.
	I've got people that have taken it and they're already relapsing.
	So cancer is coming after us like an angry bear.
	And he said, don't do it.
	Just like that.
	So I thought, okay, message delivered.
	And I followed his advice.
	And I was treated in 1974.
	Or stage 3 embryonal cell carcinoma.
	And was at the Mayo Clinic.
	I'll give you the cliff notes here.
	But they did a lot of exploratory surgery because there were no scans invented at that time.
	And so the only way they knew how far the cancer had spread was to keep cutting.
	And they did.
	For eight and a half hours the first time.
	And they came back finally and said, well, we found cancer on the top of your feet.
	We found it on your neck.
	So it is in your lymphatic system everywhere.
	And in just a month or two, it'll be in every organ group in your body.
	So they said that was a Friday.
	And they were going to start chemo Monday.
	A very aggressive chemo.
	And so I said, sure.
	I mean, what do we know?
	I'm not a doctor, especially I'm not a Mayo Clinic doctor.
	That night, Friday night, Friday afternoon, actually, I got a letter with a 13-cent stamp on it that tells you that I got my times right.
	And the letter said this.
	It said, Dear Rick, if you want to live, you're going to have to leave the Mayo Clinic.
	Signed, John.
	And I looked at that, and his phone number was there, and, you know, I knew him.
	He was.
	He's gone on now, but he was a Baptist pastor in Minneapolis.
	Or maybe St. Paul.
	I don't know.
	But I called him, and I said, You do know where I am.
	He said, oh yeah, I've been following.
	You've been there a month.
	And he said, but you need to leave.
	I said, my family has flown in to say goodbye to me.
	We're all here.
	I'm interested to know what you think you know.
	He said, well, look at it this way.
	There are some medical groups understand medicine.
	You're in one of those.
	Other groups understand the immune system.
	You're not in one of those.
	And I said, oh, okay.
	You know, and I'm being a little sarcastic.
	And I said, where do you think I ought to go?
	And he said, well, are you sitting down?
	That's never a good question.
	It always means it's a sphincter tightening question.
	And I said, yes, John, I am sitting down.
	Where do you think I ought to go?
	He said, well, the good news is you fly into San Diego.
	Who doesn't like San Diego?
	And I said, and then, you know, he said, yeah, you get on a bus and you go to Tijuana.
	It's called the Oasis of Hope.
	It's right across the street from the Bullring.
	I thought, what?
	I'm going to get my family together tonight, and I'm going to say, I think I'm going to leave the Mayo Clinic.
	I'm going down to Tijuana near the Bullring, and I'm going to take their treatment.
	Well, he said, all right, I get it.
	I understand why you're acting this way, but he said, let me give you some phone numbers.
	You call a few people, and then we'll talk.
	So I did.
	I called a couple of patients.
	Of course, they gave me the ones that gave glowing reports.
	I mean, they're not going to give me a guy that's hanging off the bed with 15 minutes to go.
	Then he said, well, okay.
	I called Dr. Contreras.
	His son and he are, and he's passed on now.
	But his son is running the hospital.
	It's a five-story hospital with two operatories, and he's a surgical oncologist.
	These are not incidental people.
	Yeah, it's not a quack.
	That's what they always like to demonize these people as.
	Like, oh, they're just kooky.
	You're going to go down there and they're going to rub some crystals on your body or something like that.
	But these are serious people that take their job seriously and know what they're talking about as well.
	My doctor had actually worked at Boston General doing slide work in oncology.
	So he was nobody's dumb bunny.
	M.D. in both places, in America and in Tijuana.
	And his son, equally, even more educated, actually, got his medical degree in Austria.
	So he had to learn German to get his...
	Anyway, these are bright people.
	That's my point.
	You know, these are not guys standing out in front of Home Depot at 7 a.m. hoping to get a job today.
	And I admire those people for doing that.
	I don't mean to make light of that.
	They're not laying at home wishing life was better.
	They're out trying to get something done.
	But anyway, I talked to Dr. Contreras and he said, what's your problem?
	him.
	I told him.
	And he said, well, you're This is pretty serious stuff.
	And I said, I get that.
	I'm supposed to start chemo on Monday.
	And he said, well, then I need to ask you a question.
	When you get down here, if you do, are you willing to do everything we ask you to do?
	I said, Doc, maybe one of the things is hanging by my toenails.
	I mean, I don't know.
	You haven't sent me a sheet, you know.
	He said no, and then he reviewed his background.
	He said, no, we're serious doctors.
	We understand the lay of the land.
	But here's the difference.
	I need you to help me.
	This is participatory medicine.
	If I can bring your immune system back online, I have an ally that is better than any medicine that they have.
	Your own immune system is a powerful tool.
	But it's handicapped right now.
	And I said, well, you know, that sounds pretty reasonable.
	He said, but if you don't help me, your immune system will avoid me.
	And you won't make it.
	And your family will blame us.
	So, yes or no.
	Otherwise, stay home and spend the money on something else.
	I said, well, speaking of money, my church just informed me that They're going to pay my way, almost all of it.
	And he said, well, that's a powerful, powerful motivator right there.
	He said, but give them back the money if you're going to come down here and just, you know.
	And I said, okay.
	So that night we had our family get together, our Come to Jesus meeting.
	I learned more swear words in five minutes.
	than I learned growing up on the streets of Detroit.
	I'm saying my family is very demonstrative, and they didn't like what I had to say.
	Yes, it can be a very scary thing.
	With the amount of propaganda that the medical establishment has put out into the world to hear that you're going to try something else from the prescribed treatment pathways, people get very, very anxious at minimum and generally angry that you would...
	You don't know what you're doing.
	How could you even consider this?
	You see all that kind of thing over and over again.
	And my older brother, Sam Hill, if you can believe that, as in what in the Sam Hill, he stood up and he said, well, If you go there, I'll never speak to you again.
	I said, well, Sam, if I don't go there, you may never get to speak to me again.
	And he said, well, you know, we've always known you were stupid.
	We just didn't know how stupid.
	And, you know, Travis, your listeners, your viewers, might have to go it alone.
	I'm telling you, This is shark-filled waters we're talking about here.
	And they think it's going to be green lights on Broadway?
	No.
	From the beginning of this conversation, I ran into terror after terror.
	But dealing with my family was perhaps the hardest of all.
	But we got all the way around the room and my father-in-law stood up.
	The man who stood in the gap.
	And he said to the room, I like it.
	I'll take him, and I'll help pay for it.
	Well, I went, deal!
	I mean, he knew how to close him up, huh?
	And two days later, we left.
	And that was going down the rabbit hole.
	This was wonderland.
	This was crazy land.
	This was things I knew.
	If there was a health food store in Detroit, I didn't know about it.
	My mother was born on Sand Mountain, Alabama.
	She had an iron skillet and a tub of lard.
	Bless her heart, she could fry everything, including jello.
	She just, you know, pork, fried pork, white gravy, green beans, cornbread, bam.
	Food.
	And then on the way home from school, I did what every kid did.
	I stopped at the candy store, got a Coke, a bag of chips and some candy.
	Five days a week.
	I wasn't unusual.
	We all did it.
	And we didn't know we were tearing our immune systems to pieces.
	We didn't.
	Doctors never said anything, you know.
	But we were healthier because we were outside all day.
	We weren't sitting in our rooms looking at screens.
	Almost none of us were overweight.
	A different culture back then.
	But filled with poisons, nevertheless.
	So, I got down there, saw Dr. Contreras.
	He took us in the office, laid me on his exam bench, unbuttoned my shirt, looked at a 16-inch scar.
	And he went like this.
	And I said, I'm fuzzy on...
	Does it mean you don't want to treat me?
	What?
	And he said, no.
	None of the above.
	I just...
	And I thought, well, okay.
	That doesn't help me a lot.
	Now, does it?
	Just thinking out loud.
	He said, tomorrow we'll start treatment.
	You did the right thing to come.
	You and I had the discussion.
	You're going to help me.
	I said, okay.
	I left.
	And they had somebody from Tim LaHaye's church.
	Oh, wow.
	Shadow.
	Her name was Soldier Burford.
	You know, retired military couple.
	And she was, it's a story, you know, she would, she knows that.
	I will pick you up at 0700.
	You will not be late.
	We're going, what have I done?
	So we got there, and now some good news.
	I only used three products that weren't that expensive, and they're way cheaper today.
	I used Leotron V17.
	Can you read that?
	I think you can.
	Yes.
	Might be backwards.
	That's an extract from the apricot plant.
	Inside that pit, like a peach pit, there's a little almond.
	And they're very bitter to taste, like an apple seed.
	In fact, they have that taste that an apple seed has.
	Because they share a common ingredient called nitrilicide.
	For those of you taking copious notes, nitrilicide.
	That has cyanide in it, but, you know, small amounts.
	Cyanide is not the bugaboo that we think it is.
	It's in 1,200 different foods, especially like lima beans.
	I knew there was a reason I didn't like lima beans.
	But it is important.
	And there are tribes, you know, around the world that this was a staple food source.
	Like the Hunzas, you've read about them with minerals, probably.
	But they used these apricots to stay, they died 110, 120 years old, teeth all good, eyesight's good, just walk along one day and went, that was the end of it.
	But they didn't suffer like we do.
	They weren't sick all the time like we are.
	And they lived outside, and they didn't have screens, and different world, I know.
	Still and all, this was an important part of their diet and they just didn't have the diseases we have.
	So let me give you a parallel in case you're tripping over this.
	Could cancer be a dietary deficiency?
	How about during England's early days of trade when their sailors would get scurvy?
	And I mean scurvy is a horrible disease.
	You can die from scurvy easily.
	And they would sometimes lose half their ship.
	And they thought it was things in the hole.
	They were looking at it.
	I mean, they didn't know what it was.
	And they found out, you probably know the answer, that if they just gave them citrus, lemons, lime, that kind of thing.
	That's why they called them limeys.
	Scurvy went away.
	Gone.
	Didn't get it anymore.
	In the 20s, 30s, and 40s, a couple of really, really smart people, John Beard, MD, Krebs, PhD, started studying this.
	And that brings me to the second ingredient, which is the proenzymes.
	What Dr. Beard found was that cancer cells hide Behind a protein codeine.
	So your immune system floats by and goes, well, everything looks good to me.
	But if you take these enzymes between meals, you're not trying to digest that steak you ate.
	You're trying to digest the protein that covers cancer cells.
	They use it as a protection.
	This dissolves it.
	Now, when your killer cells...
	Look!
	Over there in the corner, let's get him!
	And that is the ally that Dr. Contreras said he wanted to employ, which is stronger than any medicine we have.
	That's the story.
	And because the story is so simple, And not expensive and not complex, we reject it.
	Couldn't be that easy.
	If it was that easy, my Dr. Schmatz would know about it.
	Well, your Dr. Schmatz is making way more money to use the chemicals that big pharma promotes.
	So, then there's one little other one called B15.
	And that, Muhammad Ali used to use that before fights because it energizes the system, makes oxygen more available, usable, and cancer cells don't like oxygen either.
	So now they're getting chased by cyanide little bugs.
	And then you got this oxygen coming after them.
	So they're unhappy.
	And my cancer cells became unhappy.
	And I became more happy.
	I didn't get sick.
	I didn't throw up.
	I didn't lose my hair.
	Well, I am now, but that's got nothing to do with cancer.
	And this was all 50 years ago.
	I didn't take any chemo.
	I didn't take radiation.
	I didn't get sick.
	You know?
	Pain started going away because B17 has a chemical in it that acts as an analgesic.
	Because when I was at the Mayo Clinic, they had me on morphine.
	You know, pink elephant morphine.
	So, I was in tough shape.
	When I got down there, I couldn't even sit in a chair.
	My father-in-law spread a blanket on the floor for me.
	And I laid on this blanket waiting for my turn.
	It was quite a thing.
	Travis, I was there 21 days.
	Wow.
	That's it.
	I was at the Mayo Clinic longer than that.
	So after 21 days, I came home.
	I was getting a 3-gram injection, I should qualify, of this Laetrile.
	These are the capsules.
	But I was getting a 3-gram injection here.
	Just done.
	I would only go in the back room there for 5 minutes.
	That was the whole thing.
	Then they gave me a diet sheet and said, eat this, don't eat this.
	If I quizzed you right now, you having never seen this diet list, you'd get it all right.
	It's just common sense which foods are good and which foods are really terrible for you.
	And they said, you know, it needs to be organic, it needs to be raw, at least 80% of your diet raw and uncooked, all organic.
	So, let's pick.
	You want the fruit salad for breakfast, or do you want the vegetable salad?
	Or do you want the vegetable salad or the fruit salad?
	It gets kind of boring.
	And your listeners need to know this.
	So what?
	No?
	I mean, how exciting is it six feet under?
	Yeah.
	What kind of food variety do you think you're going to get served?
	Under the ground.
	None.
	And I don't know what heaven, I don't know if they eat or they don't.
	But my point to you is that all excuses people give, you need to decide whether your life is worth saving.
	Because for a lot of people, it isn't.
	They're in ridiculous marriages.
	They're in horrible family homes.
	They don't think they measure up as a human being when they look at other people.
	They come up with all kinds of reasons why they don't care enough to not use food as spatial entertainment.
	It isn't.
	It's to keep you healthy.
	And so I made a five-year commitment that I would Do what they asked me to do, but I would get a little more seriousness because I was down to 120 pounds.
	I weigh 165 now.
	I'm not a big guy, but 120?
	You talk about a praying mantis.
	So I added short-term fasting, like a two- or three-day fast weekly.
	I added juicing.
	My preference was watermelon juice.
	Just cut the ends off and then ran it through a champion juicer.
	Kept the rind around the edge.
	Gave it kind of a cucumber finish.
	So it wasn't so cloyingly sweet.
	You say, well, yeah, but you shouldn't have anything with any sugar, even fruit sugar.
	Wouldn't you weigh 120 pounds?
	I mean, I had to get a little bit of something from somewhere.
	I was, you know, just...
	The lady comes in, the nurse comes in, and she's holding this little hose, and she says, Today, we are going to start your detox.
	I said, Good.
	It's a detox.
	She said, well, And I said, yeah, sure.
	I had a 57 Ford, first floor ship, you know.
	She says, how'd you do it?
	I said, well, what do you mean?
	You open up both ends of the radiator, stick a garden hose in it, watch it when it runs clean at the bottom, you yank the hose out, cap it up, lay rubber out of the parking lot.
	She went, that's right.
	I'm looking over at this hose.
	So I said to her, where does that hose go?
	I thought, I have made a horrible mistake coming down.
	Perhaps.
	Perhaps I'm rethinking my decision right now.
	Yeah, when does that bus leave for San Diego?
	And I remembered back now.
	I mean, I don't want to get gross, but My grandmother was from Sand Mountain, Alabama.
	And they were old school.
	The doctors were 100 miles away and all that stuff.
	And when we were little, if we got the flu or started running a fever, she'd put us in the sink and take a turkey baster and do a country enema.
	Well, it only took one of those.
	And we would never be sick around her again.
	You know, you look a little hot.
	Oh, no, no, I feel great.
	I am tip-top.
	I could run 100 miles right now.
	No, we're good.
	And then at Thanksgiving, she'd have that turkey on the table with the baster sitting next to it.
	Oh, man, I just had a bologna sandwich.
	I don't think I could eat turkey.
	Now, she had two basters, of course.
	I'm sitting there looking at that instrument of destruction.
	So, you know, people look at that and they go, that's why you guys, you alternative guys, are just stupid.
	Colonics?
	I mean, listen, when Elvis died, he had 50 pounds of undigested, putrefying food in his colon.
	That goes through the colon wall.
	They call it leaky gut syndrome.
	That's a nice term.
	And it poisons your...
	face all swollen up.
	Yeah, that's, that's The fact of the business is, when you're as sick as I was, your digestion slows down, if not quits.
	So when you're fasting and juicing and all that, the colonics become a way to keep the system moving.
	It makes perfect sense.
	But I'll tell you this.
	I never enjoyed a single colonic.
	Not once.
	They don't hurt.
	They're not embarrassing.
	I still wouldn't take a date on something like this.
	No.
	So I'm saying there.
	No, you wouldn't.
	I went down the hall to the chemotherapy ward when I was at the Mayo Clinic.
	Went into the rooms and said, I'm Rick, I'm going to be coming up here in a few days.
	Let me ask you a question.
	If you had it to do over, would you take the chemotherapy?
	To a person, Travis.
	They said no.
	Now, how smart would you have to be?
	If you ask five people who own Chevys, would you buy this Chevrolet again?
	And they all went, no.
	For you to get in your car, go to the Chevy dealer, and buy one.
	Does that make sense?
	No, no.
	Yeah, it's actually, my dad's father was actually, he believes, killed by the chemotherapy.
	You know, he had been weakened.
	They had continued to give him all these, you know, standard prescribed treatments, and then it came to the chemotherapy, and it just, it was instantaneous, basically.
	He just died.
	And, you know, that's not very uncommon.
	At least it wasn't back then.
	Perhaps it's gotten a bit better nowadays, but it's still just a miserable suffering process.
	Everyone talks about the horrors of chemotherapy.
	So if there is an alternative, you know, It's always worth investigating.
	It's always worth investigating first.
	And then if it didn't work, I mean, it only takes a month to do it.
	If you didn't get the results you were looking for, then yeah, go back to the regular guy and get the stuff they're offering, Big Pharma.
	But you have set up, or David did, a deal with RNC.
	Yes.
	These people.
	And if they will enter the word night, K-N-I, like on your screen, K-N-I-G-H-T, they'll save 10% of an already reduced thing.
	But, you know, try the three products.
	These are three-month bottles.
	And we're running a special, I think it's like $99.
	And if they...
	We'll throw in a $20 copy of my book for free.
	So, steel deal.
	But what it'll do is all of a sudden you'll start taking these proenzymes and now your immune system goes to work.
	And then you're taking this, which is a backup attack, and You know, it's a beautiful thing.
	And now is the time to start.
	John Beard, Dr. John Beard, MD, said back in the 30s, he said, the best time to treat cancer is before you get it.
	He said, if I could get everybody to take what's called chymotrypsin, which is a pancreatic enzyme.
	Are we close to time yet?
	We've got about 15 more minutes.
	Okay.
	A little quick story about chymotrypsin.
	When you and I were being, is the word gestated or gestated, we're in our mother's womb, right?
	Floating around.
	If they checked her urine, they would say she has, she's pregnant.
	Without looking at the bump, without knowing, they could say she is pregnant.
	Human chorionic gonadotropin, HCGH.
	I tested pregnant at the Mayo Clinic.
	And I'm not woke.
	I don't think a guy can have a baby.
	I had that in my system.
	What is that?
	It's a preponderance of those cells that the chymotrypsin, that the pancreas produces.
	Is falling behind.
	So without augmenting that enzyme, trypsin, chymotrypsin, bromelain, well that's from pineapple, but they all do a good job.
	You and I, none of us would be here because we all had cancer in the womb.
	But in the third to the fifth month, your mother's pancreas kicked in and produced Bundles of this pancreatic enzyme and killed all that cancer.
	The reason that you needed that is because cancer, while we think of it as just an enemy, is also a very creative cell that will live forever.
	It doesn't go through apoptosis normally.
	But when that Chymotrypsin hits it.
	That's why it covers itself up in protein so that it doesn't go.
	Boom.
	And that's why the enzymes are so really important for every person to be using.
	Not a lot of it, because you want your pancreas to keep functioning and everything.
	But I take one of these a day.
	One.
	And there's a hundred capsules in there.
	So that's three months sitting here.
	I take one a day.
	I took a lot more than that when I was sick.
	Probably ten a day.
	Between meals, remember.
	You don't want to be digesting the food with that.
	You want to digesting the protein that's on those cells.
	So just think of that.
	You already went through the whole thing of cancer, in a sense.
	Prior.
	To being born.
	And when I was born, I didn't have cancer.
	You didn't have cancer that we know of.
	But we went through that.
	So all we're doing here, if this makes sense, and you can go read the work of Dr. John Beard, Ernst Krebs.
	They all said the same thing.
	You put these two together and you've got a powerful program.
	And that's all I took.
	And it's natural.
	It's a food item, so it can't be patented.
	Big Pharma's not interested because they can't make really big money that they would if you were taking any of their chemicals.
	So, fundamentally, what kind of questions do you have?
	That's pretty much my story.
	Well, that is really an amazing story to hear.
	Just, again, the fact you're only there for 21 days.
	21 days.
	And I'm assuming it was probably a lot nicer environment than the Mayo Clinic itself because hospitals are such a depressing, just brutal place to be.
	So on top of the fact you're there for a short amount of time, I imagine Mexico, it's sunny and warm at minimum, so you're getting to enjoy that.
	And they're only two blocks off the ocean there.
	And today, Oasis of Hope is a five-story hospital.
	Wow.
	It's really nice.
	We have 100 employees.
	I'd also like to ask you, were you able to get these products in the United States at the time?
	How were you able to get them then?
	Do I look like a smuggler to you?
	Well, I can't say I've ever met a smuggler.
	But I look like the guy that barbecues next door.
	And I had to smuggle these to get them out of Mexico into the U.S. Risking possible prison.
	I mean, something's wrong with that rule.
	It's food.
	And they knew it, but Big Pharma saw that this stuff was working.
	Where I'm working now at Richardson Nutritional Center, it was started by Dr. John Richardson, M.D. He was in California.
	He treated over 4,000 patients until Big Pharma learned about it.
	With this.
	This protocol that I'm telling you.
	That's what he used.
	And they came in, guns drawn, arrested him and his nurse, put him in jail, and eventually terminated his medical license.
	Thank goodness.
	So, yeah, I shoved this stuff down in my underwear to get across the border.
	It goes to show that you actually believed in this treatment, not just enough to go take it, but enough that you were willing to risk fines or incarceration even to continue the treatment.
	So that speaks to your faith in it as well.
	But we've got a comment from the producer here.
	It says, it's amazing to me that the FDA forces people to go to other countries to take any treatment that isn't part of the medical establishment.
	It says, Thank you.
	Yeah, no matter how ridiculous it may seem on the surface of it, if you think there's a chance it works, if someone has convinced you that it could be effective, You should be allowed to try it out.
	No matter what it is, you should be allowed to attempt it.
	If your life is at stake, it's your life.
	How can they claim to have the power to tell you what you can and can't try to save your own life?
	If you're not hurting anyone else, it's absurd the government overreach we are dealing with.
	Money.
	Thank God for Bobby Kennedy.
	I've never been a Democrat.
	I don't care.
	You know, he is addressing something that needs to be addressed.
	It was the right thing to bring him on.
	And I hope they keep him safe.
	His family doesn't have the best, you know, track record on that.
	But if Bobby walked in the door right now, you and I are talking, looked at the screen, I know, that's Travis.
	Yeah, okay.
	And what is this stuff?
	Oh, Laetrile.
	Rick, I don't believe in that.
	I'd say, Bobby, fine.
	All I want from you is to get the government off my back so that I'm free to take that fully informed as I should be.
	It's not poison.
	They know that.
	You know?
	Now, Trump signed a right to try deal.
	But it didn't go far enough.
	There are some stipulations in the Right to Try thing you can look up.
	And you have to have, it has to be recognized by the medical community as effective.
	And it doesn't go far enough.
	You had it when you said, as long as you're not hurting people, as long as you're informed, it's your life.
	You know, you should be able to have it.
	And Dr. Richardson paid dearly for that, as did my doctor, Ernesto Contreras.
	He was barred from ever entering the United States.
	My goodness.
	Yeah, for a time.
	And that's because the American government said he's a quack.
	We can't trust him.
	We don't want him in our country.
	For helping me.
	Yeah.
	He got pinned with that.
	And I've had 50 years of life that I think I would have died on that hill 50 years ago in Rochester, Minnesota.
	And I got six grandkids.
	I'd have missed it all.
	But Dr. Contreras stood up for the truth, and John Richardson stood up for the truth, and now Bobby Kennedy, I believe, is stepping up for the truth.
	All we want is freedom of choice.
	And if we can give freedom of choice, I don't care if he ever believes that this is the way to go.
	I hope he does, and I think he will.
	But even if he doesn't, just kick the door open, Bobby.
	That's all.
	Yes, let people make that choice for themselves.
	And another thing that you said is key is the informed part of it.
	That's one of the things that's so horrifying about the COVID shots to me as well, is how they hid and they obfuscated what was in it.
	They weren't honest about it.
	They didn't do any studies.
	So you can never be informed.
	about taking that.
	You cannot.
	It's physically impossible to be informed on that subject because they didn't tell you.
	They made sure you didn't know.
	They gave you a spiel about how important it was to get it, but you could not be fully informed on this.
	And that is a key part of any, whether you want to call it a transaction in the medical community, is you have to know what you are getting into.
	They have to tell you the risks and the dangers of it, and they lied.
	Over and over about it.
	And they produce such a dangerous, harmful product.
	We have seen so many of our listeners.
	We've got comments here.
	It says from KWD68, My daughter has a classmate with kidney cancer.
	She's 21. Just a coincidence that she took the jab.
	We have quite a few people here under 25 with cancer.
	Not normal.
	Many still in middle and high school.
	And we've just seen this over and over again after the shots where the explosion of people younger and younger getting cancer.
	And it is just horrifying to me that they will block something like this.
	It's like, if you want to try it, they will still, again, try to kick your door down in any way possible or make it as difficult as they can for you or shame you for it.
	But this poison, they will just push on you and push on you and push on you.
	We're able to sell it here in the United States because we sell it as a food supplement.
	This is not sold as a cancer cure, because it really isn't.
	It's a food supplement.
	It's an adjunct therapy.
	And before any doctor usually will help you, if you have to have the intravenous, is you'll sign a thing that says, I understand I'm taking a food supplement.
	It is not designed to hit People have been doing that for 50 years.
	And this is just the same thing.
	So your people don't need to be concerned that they're breaking the law because they're not.
	We're in compliance.
	But why not just let us be?
	You know, I mean, it's food.
	Capricots.
	And that's what I mean.
	Even today, 50 years later, someone will say, well, what's the most interesting thing that ever happened to you, Rick?
	I go, never mind.
	They're not going to believe me that I used an apricot cure and left the Mayo Clinic.
	I mean, only somebody that never has been out of their basement would go, oh, okay, yeah.
	They all look at you and go, huh?
	Why did I start this conversation?
	And I get it.
	And people say, You know, you get these people that say, what you have to do is you have to believe.
	You've got to believe in your heart of hearts that this is going to work, that God's going to do this for you.
	That...
	Thank you.
	Mayo Clinic, Tijuana.
	Which one do you think I would have more confidence in?
	Getting close on time here, and we've got just a couple questions that the chat has for you from Dougda007.
	He said, we had a question in the chat about whether or not it was okay to eat eggs and beef.
	This was regarding your diet at the time.
	Well, as long as they're organic and in short supply.
	Because, remember, you're trying to work with these enzymes.
	And if you're eating big steaks and a lot of eggs, You're probably eating up all those enzymes just trying to get that digested.
	So it isn't that beef is bad.
	We have teeth, eyes in front.
	We are carnivores.
	But they told me if you want a piece of chicken or fish or beef, you know, four ounces once or twice a week, you know, broiled, not fried in large.
	Despite how delicious it might be.
	Yeah.
	Oh, it is good.
	I miss southern food.
	Yeah, I grew up on it.
	What's the other question?
	From Ford Love the Road, he said, Would you ask Rick if it's best to eat the apricot seeds or take those pills without food?
	I heard him say between meals, but I missed part of it.
	We also sell the apricot seeds, the little almond-type things.
	This is a 100-milligram tablet.
	This one, that I take one a day, and it's equivalent to five or six of those seeds.
	So you could eat five or six of those seeds a day and get the equivalent, and it's less money.
	You get a big bag that lasts months.
	They're bitter.
	But I think a cup of Starbucks coffee is bitter.
	You know, I think...
	Yeah, remember the first...
	And I mean, you went, why?
	Who would drink this stuff?
	Well, you probably developed a taste for it.
	And bitter is like that.
	You can develop a taste.
	They could go either way.
	But I would say it's the same thing.
	You should eat those seeds, not at the same time.
	You're doing the pro-enzymes.
	They should be between foods so that their focus are the cells, not the food.
	Your pancreas will begin to produce the enzymes you need to digest that kind of thing.
	But in short supply, don't eat five eggs every morning in a slab, you know, two-pound steak grilled every night.
	Not good for you.
	Thank you so much, Rick.
	I really do appreciate you coming on the show and giving us your story.
	It's important to get this kind of information out there because they want to suppress it.
	They want to make sure there's only one pathway that you're exposed to and there's only one sort of information that you see.
	So I really do appreciate you telling your story.
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	I hope he gets better.
	And good on you guys for being part of the solution, not a part of the problem.
	Thank you, Rick.
	I really do appreciate it.
	And folks, we're going to take a quick break and then I will be right back for just a few minutes.
	So thank you all so much.
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	The Supreme Court on Wednesday heard arguments about whether or not Tennessee and many other states can ban transgender surgeries and hormone treatments for minors.
	And look, let's also understand, as I pointed out last week, testicular cancer is something that they found for people who had been using this hormone therapy for quite some time in preparation before they were castrated.
	When I first saw the headline, the way it was said, you know, testicular cancer on people who are castrated.
	It's like, how does that work?
	But it's leading up to it, right?
	Years that that happened, and it creates a cancer that then starts spreading throughout your body.
	Tennessee's law that I sponsored will effectively be the test case for the nation.
	So we're very excited, said Tennessee Senate Majority Leader Jack Johnson.
	We're very excited.
	We're humbled and cautiously optimistic that the Supreme Court will see it.
	As the Sixth Circuit did.
	So I have one in these challenges prior to this, and one in the Sixth Circuit.
	Now, this tranny lawyer, as the headline says from Todd Starnes, a bearded female ACLU attorney, says that toddlers can be transgender.
	This person goes by the name Chase Strangio.
	I'm not kidding.
	That's the first name.
	A bearded...
	I had to make up Booty Gay and other things like that.
	liars this is strange you strange you a bearded woman who since the circus has now been shut down she is now working for the aclu uh who identifies i played a gig for the retirement home of the uh Did a New Year's Eve gig for them.
	And that was always highly coveted work.
	But that was one strange thing.
	But now we've got bearded women all over the place.
	Become the first openly transgender attorney to argue before the High Court Deputy Director for Transgender Justice.
	The ACLU.
	And here she is, so you can see and hear her.
	Nobody has to provide this medication to adolescents.
	These are not doctors being forced to provide this medication.
	These are doctors who are And these are young people who may have known since they were two years old exactly who they are, who suffered for six, seven years before they had any relief.
	And what's happening here, it's not the kids who are consenting to this treatment, it's the parents who are consenting to the treatment.
	and as a parent i would say we when our children are suffering we are suffering and these are parents who love their children who are listening to the advice of their doctors of the mainstream medical community and doing what's right for that for their And the mom said, yeah, the pediatrician said that he was a girl.
	You know, it's like, oh, yeah, well, how did you handle this?
	This is a bipartisan thing.
	This insanity is not limited to the Democrat Party.
	And you heard her say, That this is something, you know, two-year-old, and they've suffered with this for six to seven years.
	They've suffered up to the point that they're eight or nine years old, and they just have to get mutilated and sterilized.
	This is criminal.
	It's not just stupid.
	This is criminal, folks.
	And it's time we put a stop to this kind of child abuse.
	That's what they correctly did in Tennessee.
	And hopefully it's...
	But this is the way Vox reported it.
	Vox headline says, The Horrifying Implications of Today's Supreme Court Argument on Trans Rights.
	What do they find horrifying about it?
	Not the fact that you are going to mutilate and sterilize these kids and driving many of them to suicide after they get this bottom surgery.
	And it completely.
	That's the issue.
	It's treatments for children.
	That's the issue here.
	Since while the conservative justices acknowledged studies on both sides of the debate over risk, the liberal justices seemed to dismiss studies that were inconsistent with striking down the law as a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment.
	That produced a difficult moment for Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelegger when Supreme Court Justice Alito confronted her about statements made in her filing with the court.
	Alito quoted her petition to the court that claimed that there was, quote, overwhelming evidence, unquote, supporting the use of puberty blockers and hormone treatments as a safe and positive results for children.
	Again, children, prove it.
	Prove it.
	By the way, whether or not it was safe and effective, right?
	Let's say that...
	Let's say that that was safe and effective.
	And all you did was sterilize and mutilate them.
	Let's say there wasn't a mutilation.
	Let's say that they got it all right.
	That actually is a mutilation.
	And let's say that the hormone blockers don't do things like cause cancer and other stuff like that.
	The kids still don't have the maturity and their parents don't have the right to sterilize them.
	Do we support that anywhere else?
	Where else can parents decide, well, I think that I should sterilize my kids?
	Justice Alito, however, cited extensive countervailing research from European countries showing significant risks and potential harm.
	Even, even the World Health Organization.
	Has recognized these risks and the lack of evidence supporting these procedures and researchers in Finland recently published a study showing that suicides among kids with gender dysphoria are extremely rare in contradiction to one of the most common arguments made for this treatment.
	And I've covered many times some of them high-profile celebrity trans kids who have committed suicide.
	Or have talked about it publicly, wanting to commit it because of the results of these mastectomies and these other mutilations that they've had, the bottom surgery, as they say.
	Alito also cited the UK's Cass Review.
	It was released shortly after the Biden lawyer, Prologer,
	had filed her In other words, you lied to this court.
	And we caught you on it.
	And then you had the ACLU attorney that I played for you earlier, Strangio, who had previously argued that children as young as two years old can identify themselves as transgender and then suffer for six or seven years until they're eight or nine and the lawyer and the monsters that say that they're medical mutilate them.
	Strangio seemed to later acknowledge that very few gender dysphoric children actually go through with suicide.
	Sotomayor seemed intent on diffusing the problem with the opposing scientific research in her exchange with Tennessee Solicitor General Matthew Rice.
	In his argument, Rice stated, quote, they cannot eliminate the risk of detransitioners.
	So it becomes a pure exercise of weighing benefits versus risk.
	And the question of how many minors have to have their bodies irreparably harmed for unproven benefits It's one that is best left to the legislature.
	So he didn't just say, you have no business here.
	This is not anything that has to do with your authority.
	This is when Sotomayor then interjected, I'm sorry, counselor, but every medical treatment has a risk, even taking aspirin.
	There's always going to be a percentage of population under any medical treatment that's going to suffer harm.
	You know, it's like somebody starts a war, right?
	Well, people are going to die.
	Sorry that happened.
	Sorry we bombed that hospital.
	But, you know, things like that happen.
	It's got to be done, you know.
	We don't care.
	It's rare.
	Rare, right?
	According to studies, aspirin can have potential side effects that are largely quite mild, as he points out, including these things, though.
	We're talking about irreversible double mastectomy, not like aspirin effect.
	Genital surgeries, sterilization, infertility.
	There can also be long-term effects in terms of bone growth, bone density, and other developmental areas.
	And, of course, also cancer from this hormone therapy.
	The hormone therapy that we used to use on convicted rapists that they're now using on gas-lit kids.
	The point is not that the justices should resolve this medical debate, says Turley.
	But that it is properly resolved elsewhere, including in the state legislative process.
	And, of course, our federal system says that not everything needs to be decided by the Supreme Court or the federal government.
	States have authority in these things.
	It could have saved 63 million-plus lives if the governors, first in Texas over the Roe v.
	Wade thing, but all the rest of the governors should have said, you've made your decision, let's see you enforce it.
	And you have no authority to define when life begins.
	I said that for a decade before Dobbs, and finally the Supreme Court said what I'd been saying all along.
	Sotomayor's aspirin analogy seemed gratuitously dismissive for many.
	Reminiscent of the response to scientists who questioned COVID protocols and policies.
	From everything from the six-foot rule to mask efficacy.
	Well, of course, Jonathan Turley is not going to say even, you know, the Trump vaccine, because he's a Fox contributor.
	So he's not going to talk about people who questioned the vaccine, people who questioned even the virus.
	No, no.
	But he says, for scientists attacked and deplatformed for years, Sotomayor's statements are painfully familiar.
	The thrust of the comments from the justices were dismissive of the science supporting Tennessee.
	And 23 states with similar laws.
	I'm sorry, that was just one justice.
	That was Sotomayor.
	No one is arguing against adults being able to opt for such treatment.
	See, that's the important thing, too.
	But such states do not want children to be subject to the treatments in light of this ongoing debate.
	We had Navy SEAL.
	The Navy SEAL that was pushed and put up on public, you know, by Michael Flynn in 2015.
	Chris, I forgot what his last name is.
	His name was Christopher.
	But they got a Navy SEAL to transition.
	And then eventually he detransitioned in the last year or two.
	And he said, if they can gaslight me, an adult, a Navy SEAL, think what they can do to the kids out there.
	And of course, it was Michael Flynn, Michael Flynn, who was bragging about, look how, how we.
	Don't talk to me about Trump being opposed to all this stuff.
	Trump and his cronies and people like Michael Flynn were pushing this from the very beginning.
	Trump pushed the tranny stuff for his beauty contests.
	Sotomayor in 2022 similarly humiliated herself during arguments over the Biden administration's vax mandates by claiming that over 100,000 children were actively hospitalized with COVID when the real number was 3,300.
	And that itself was a lie, based on rigged PCR tests.
	The Omicron variant and denial of service, denial of treatment, I should say.
	The Omicron variant was as deadly as Delta, she said.
	And that COVID deaths have never been higher.
	None of that was true.
	She also described herself as a product of affirmative action.
	I think we know that.
	You're a poster child for DEI.
	She also argued in 2022 that anyone who is familiar with the FBI crime stats must be banned from the Capitol case juries because they would have racial bias.
	Well, then also involved in taking up the cause of mutilating children.
	Was Brown Jackson, Ketanji Brown Jackson, who President Biden selected after pledging in a corrupt backroom deal with South Carolina Representative James Clyburn to pick a black woman for the Supreme Court in exchange for his endorsement.
	She compared the bans on child sex changes to bans on interracial marriage.
	This is from Information Liberation, by the way.
	Ketanji Brown Jackson just compared bans on sex changes for kids to bans on interracial marriage, tweeted Greg Price.
	And of course, you know, this is the woman who famously couldn't say what a woman is.
	Remember that?
	In her confirmation hearings.
	Asked by the Tennessee Senator, Marsha Blackburn, what is a woman?
	Well, I can't say.
	These people are DEI clowns.
	They're political hacks in black robes.
	The question was whether it was discriminatory because it applied to both races and it wasn't necessarily invidious or whatever.
	But, you know, as I read the statute here, excuse me, the case here, you know, the court starts off by saying that Virginia is now one of 16 states which prohibit and punish marriage on the basis of racial classifications.
	And you look at the structure of that law, And it looks in terms of, you know, you can't do something that is inconsistent with your own characteristics.
	It's sort of the same thing here.
	That's her argument.
	This is the kind of mental midget that you get with DEI politics.
	She can't even make a coherent argument.
	Everything to her is about race.
	It's all about race.
	So this must be like...
	That's what this transing of kids is all about, isn't it?
	To her.
	She said it's sort of the same thing.
	So it's interesting to me that we now have this different argument, and I wonder whether Virginia could have gotten away with what they did here by just making a classification argument the way that Tennessee is in this case.
	How pathetic.
	Alito.
	In his questioning with this trans lawyer, you know, this guy right here.
	Nobody has to provide this.
	Strange you, right?
	So Alito says that she is there, the woman dressed like a man, like Victor Victoria, confused.
	She's making the argument that this has to be done to prevent suicide.
	That's the benefit here.
	These kids are going to commit suicide if we don't mutilate and sterilize them.
	So Alito says, well, you know, the Cass report finds no evidence that gender-affirmative treatments reduce suicide.
	In other words, prove it.
	Strangio, that person there.
	Says, there is no evidence in those studies that the treatment reduces completed suicide.
	Yes.
	But there are multiple studies that do show that there is a reduction in suicidality.
	In other words, ideation of suicide.
	I don't think so.
	Prove that.
	Prove that.
	And, you know, to assert that somebody is maybe thinking about it.
	Give me a break.
	Lest anyone forget.
	Rights, Information, Liberation.
	Justice Gorsuch and John Roberts poured oil on the fire of this trans insanity by ruling in 2020 that transgenders must be considered a protected class under the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
	This case would have not even been brought if Roberts and Gorsuch hadn't done that.
	But now this is about children.
	This is not even about the alphabet mafia.
	This is about children.
	Gorsuch was silent during arguments Wednesday.
	Didn't ask a single question during the roughly two and a half hour long proceedings.
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	Now we have as our guest here Seth Gruber.
	Who is with the 1916 Project.
	I talked about this a couple of weeks ago, and we've been trying to get our schedules together so that I could get them on.
	Somebody who knows them heard the broadcast and said, hey, they'd like to talk to you.
	So I'm very excited to talk to him about this.
	This is the issue of the election, folks.
	And it's an issue that the GOP is running away from.
	And that is the abortion issue.
	But even beyond that, what this project is, we're going to let him lay out.
	The film and they can organize screenings at churches and that type of thing.
	This is fundamentally about the agenda of Planned Parenthood.
	You know, what is behind the abortion?
	And so the website is the1916project.com and joining us now is Seth Gruber.
	Thank you for joining us, Seth.
	Thank you, David.
	Honored to be on, brother.
	Thank you.
	Let's talk a little bit about, tell people how you got into this.
	You've got a background in film, I'm assuming, and so tell people a little bit about that and the other things that you do, and then we'll talk about the 1916 project.
	So I don't have a background in film.
	I have a background in homeschooling, which means I can do anything I want because I'm not an idiot and I'm not a gay communist.
	And so because my mother put me through classical Christian education and because I was memorizing the entire preamble of the Constitution and the entire Declaration of Independence by the time I was 11, including whole chapters of Scripture.
	I can do whatever the hell I want.
	Thank you, America, and thank you, Kamala Harris, for trying to obliterate the homeschool community.
	I mean, if she gets elected, that's a conversation for another time.
	But have you noticed it's always about the kids, right?
	Yeah.
	If they can't kill them in the womb, they'll sexualize them outside the womb.
	If they can't do that, they'll indoctrinate them or just chemically castrate them.
	Planned Parenthood, David, is not only the largest abortion provider in the world, They're also now the second largest provider in America of puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones.
	So, chemically castrating transgender drugs for America's gender-confused youth.
	Wow, the same organization as both things?
	What a coinkedink!
	Except it's not.
	They're not an abortion organization, guys.
	they're a culture of death organization.
	And they will profit off of And that's a lot of the history that we tell in the film and book, The 1916 Project.
	But I was raised in Los Angeles County.
	I was homeschooled through eighth grade.
	I went to public high school in Nixon's alma mater, Whittier High School, where my dad and all my aunts went.
	My senior year, I did my senior project on abortion.
	Now, I knew what abortion was.
	My mother led a pregnancy center while pregnant with me.
	She was helping save babies and love on moms while I was still in utero.
	So I've actually been a pro-life activist since I was a fetus, David.
	But there I am as a senior realizing I don't have as many good answers to my pro-abortion friends as I'd like to have, and I felt convicted about that.
	So I picked abortion as my senior project, which you had to do a senior project to graduate.
	And my high school told me, you can't pick that topic.
	And I said, excuse me?
	And I said, I recommend you read the Constitution.
	You're making me read in government class or you're going to have a lawsuit on your hands.
	So at 18 years old, as a former homeschool kid, David, I threatened to sue my public high school for viewpoint discrimination.
	And guess what?
	They backed off real quick.
	I then went to a fake Christian college in Santa Barbara down the street from Oprah's house called Westmont College.
	I thought I was joining a Christian college of my like-minded Christian peers.
	Turns out there's pro-abortion professors on that faculty.
	There still are to this day.
	And I've been barred from speaking on campus for clubs as an alum for three times now.
	So I got the steel in my spine, not at like UC Berkeley or UCLA, but at a fake Christian college where I thought I would meet people that would want to join me in tearing down the high places of child sacrifice.
	But I was thoroughly disappointed.
	So to answer your question, that's my background.
	Then I started speaking full-time on the issue of life.
	When I graduated in 2014, over 10 years ago, and in 2022, we launched the White Rose Resistance, which is now the fastest growing pro-life organization in America.
	We're two and a half years old, and our film is going viral right now on X or Twitter.
	We've done 800 screenings in churches, 800 churches screening since the middle of June.
	And the 1916 Project is really all of the hidden history of the secular moral revolution and the dirty little secrets of the sexual revolution, which you have to understand if you're going to understand the soil from which Planned Parenthood was birthed and has grown.
	And so my contention is that that year, 1916, and that woman, Margaret Sanger, more evil has flown from that woman in that date that's impacting today's upside-down, perverted, inverted, disgusting society than any other revolutionary leftist.
	of the 20th century.
	I know that's a claim, but I think I can defend it.
	Not even Hugh Hefner or Alfred Kinsey could have been who they were without following on a trail that Sanger had already been blazing since 1914.
	Yeah, that is amazing.
	I loved what I saw.
	I loved the way that you'd switch that from the 1619 project to the 1916 project.
	It was providential.
	Yeah.
	One of the things that I will never forget, it was the first time that I saw the patriarch of the Bush family clan right there as the treasurer for Margaret Sanger on their very first fundraising letter.
	I don't know if that was 1916 or 1914 or when it was the exact date, but I remember seeing his name.
	On the upper left-hand side as the fundraiser, Prescott Bush.
	And so, you know, this is something that we see happening.
	There's a bipartisan aspect of it.
	One of the things that I find to be the most frustrating, but also strange mysteries of this, is why the Republicans will not...
	As I said earlier in the program, they came out and said, okay, well, what is a woman?
	They would ask that question to people, and they can't answer it.
	They won't answer it.
	So why don't you say, what is a baby?
	What is an abortion?
	They won't define those things, and they run away from this issue.
	So that's why what you're doing is so important, not to run away.
	Yeah, so David, so check this out.
	Here's how simple this is, okay?
	They won't define marriage, therefore they won't protect it.
	They won't define a baby, therefore they won't protect them.
	They won't define a woman, therefore they won't protect her.
	Pay attention.
	That's right.
	We're dealing with more than just the genocide of babies.
	As if that's not bad enough to wake people up.
	We're dealing with a war against reality as we know it.
	These people are logogogs and lexicographic molesters.
	Be wary of logogogs and lexigraphic molesters.
	Tell us what a logogog is.
	Word tyrants.
	Logogogs are word tyrants.
	And lexigraphic molesters are those who rape the English language to make it mean whatever they want to mean.
	They're Humpty Dumpty in Alice in Wonderland is what I'm trying to tell you, David.
	Now, when I use a word, it means exactly what I choose it to mean.
	Neither more nor less, says Humpty Dumpty.
	And Alice goes, uh, can you really make words mean so many different things?
	That's all.
	And Humpty Dumpty responds to The question is which is to be master.
	That's all.
	A Humpty Dumpty means are we to master language or is language to master us?
	Because if language is to master us and there's an external reality and language and words are pointers and they refer to something in the real world.
	So David is a man.
	Look, man.
	I know it's crazy to say this in 2024, but when I say man, I don't mean woman.
	So words are pointers.
	They refer to something in the real world.
	Or are we to master language, which means that there is no objective truth.
	Everything is subjective and flimsy and you can just twist language like a pretzel to make it appear however you want it to appear.
	This is a war against reality.
	And listen, those who murder the unborn cannot be trusted to govern the born.
	Those who think that the right to life is a joke won't get any other rights right.
	Those who think that being human is not enough to have human rights, because check this out, David, every major secular bioethicist in America for decades has admitted to this day that human life begins at conception, that it's a human being.
	So they admit it's a human, but they say it's not a person with rights.
	It doesn't get human rights.
	So in 1973 with Roe v.
	Wade, what kind of moral premise did we plant into the law?
	That being human is not enough to have human rights.
	So, okay, well, then where do these rights come from?
	Then it has to come from some sort of cognitive ability or function or accidental property, which means that the elite, those with political power, can always invent the new litmus test, if you will, for who's valuable and who isn't.
	Guess what?
	Sanger believed the same thing.
	She was a eugenicist, okay?
	And eugenics is actually worse than racism, by the way.
	Racism, while disgusting, might just focus in on ethnicity or skin color.
	as the basis for discrimination.
	Eugenicists, Oh, epileptics?
	Oh, mentally and physically disabled?
	Oh, you're missing a limb?
	Oh, you have a low IQ?
	Oh, you have a history of criminal behavior in your family?
	Oh, you have a history of alcoholism?
	Oh, you have a history of, you know, whatever, like, you know, prostitution or divorces?
	Oh, you don't make a lot of money, huh?
	You're in and out of the home a lot.
	Whatever it is, the eugenicists always come up with new criteria for who has value and who doesn't.
	And who should be allowed to have kids and who doesn't?
	We're dealing with a very pernicious, disgusting, and evil ideology.
	And it's alive and well today.
	We're not just talking about like, oh yeah, it wasn't Hitler a eugenicist.
	Oh yeah, are you talking about Stalin and Mussolini or Pol Pot?
	No, I'm talking about Kamala Harris.
	Okay, I'm talking about the entire Democrat Party and probably half of the GOP.
	Like, listen, I'm voting for Trump because we have to stop Kamala Harris.
	We have to stop her.
	But I'm one of the main pro-life leaders, David, who will regularly hold Trump's feet to the fire because of what you just said.
	His pro-choice rhetoric and abdication on the unborn has influenced the GOP to weaken their language on protections of the unborn, weaken their language on marriage.
	It's incredibly infuriating.
	We're trying to educate people about the history of these ideas, because it is connected to today's secular progressive movements.
	By the way, progressives are not progressive, they're regressive.
	All of their ideas are not modern or new.
	We've seen all that before in antiquity, and it always destroys societies and civilizations.
	So, 1916 is when Margaret Sanger opens her very first clinic.
	In the Brownsville neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York, that is, for all intents and purposes, the first Planned Parenthood clinic, which is the billion-dollar organization today that's the best-funded nonprofit in human history, the largest abortion provider in the world, the largest provider of the pornographic, obscene, disgusting sex ed, comprehensive sex ed in the schools, and, of course, nearly the largest provider of transgender drugs.
	Transdrugs for Teens is now Planned Parenthood's fastest-growing revenue stream.
	So you'll learn Hitlerian, Hugh Hefner, Alfred Kinsey, groomer, pedophile, KKK links in my book and film about the history of Planned Parenthood, which is actually the history of the sexual revolution.
	And you actually can't understand the sexual revolution without understanding cultural Marxism.
	All this stuff goes together, and we kind of blow the cover off of all of this to awaken Christians and common-sense Americans to the dire straits that we're in right now.
	So hopefully people will push back.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	It's nothing new.
	We have people who've lived under totalitarian regimes, and they said we've seen this exact playbook before.
	They call it woke to make it sound like it is something new, but there's nothing new.
	And when you were talking about eugenics, I thought about it, you know, it's kind of interesting because just as they will raise and lower the number of weeks of age of a baby in order to destroy the baby and say it's no longer a person, they will also do that with IQ level.
	They'll raise or lower the level of IQ.
	It doesn't have to necessarily be somebody who is severely low IQ.
	They might later on raise that IQ level up to maybe just a little bit above normal, right?
	Maybe if you've got 100 IQ, maybe that's not good enough.
	Maybe they want to kill you because they don't really think they need that many people.
	So, again, we can see that that IQ level, for example, is going to be going up and down, just like the weeks of maturity in a baby.
	All of these different things are up for negotiation with a eugenicist, and they will do it to everybody, won't they?
	That's right.
	Yep.
	Margaret Sanger called herself a eugenicist.
	And sometimes I get criticized for things I say about Sanger because some, I think, good, hard-hearted people.
	Come on, Seth.
	Like, Hitler?
	Hitler, really?
	Are you saying that Sanger and Hitler were pen pals?
	No, I'm not saying that.
	I'm saying it's almost that bad.
	Actually, I'm saying it's almost that bad.
	In 1927, the Supreme Court, our Supreme Court, The United States High Court issued their Buck v.
	Bell decision.
	It was an 8-1 decision that upheld Virginia's 1924 mandated sterilization law.
	And in an 8-1 decision, our Supreme Court said that the state can forcibly sterilize people that the elites define as unfit to reproduce, as a threat to the gene pool, if you will.
	Margaret Sanger celebrated and endorsed that decision publicly when it was decided, and the judge who wrote the opinion, whose name's slipping me right now because I haven't had my coffee today, he summed up his majority opinion saying, three generations of imbeciles are enough.
	Okay.
	Guess what?
	At the Nuremberg trials, that's right, the Nuremberg trials, before we hung a bunch of Nazis, the Nazis cited our Buck versus Bell decision in their defense, David.
	As if to say, yeah, who are you to judge us?
	You Americans were doing eugenics first.
	Okay?
	And I have a study here, because I know you're a history buff.
	It's called Eugenics in High School History.
	I thought you'd find interesting.
	Failure to Confront the Past by Thomas Cargill.
	And he's at the Department of Economics at the University of Nevada at Reno.
	And what he did was he looked at the nine most commonly used history textbooks in public high schools in America.
	And he looked specifically on eugenics and some of the history of this stuff.
	All nine of the most commonly used history high school textbooks in public schools in America have virtually no mention of the Supreme Court decision Buck v.
	Bell, which is up there with Dred Scott.
	In the next 10 years, over 70,000 Americans were forcibly sterilized.
	Let me make sure your listeners know what that means.
	They tied people down to tables.
	And they tied the woman's tubes or they snipped the dude.
	And forcibly, enforceable surgeries because the elite said you don't get to have kids.
	Okay, what?
	How is nine most commonly used history high school textbooks have no mention of Buck v.
	Bell?
	There was almost no mention of Margaret Sanger or the eugenics movement in the early 20th century in America.
	I mean, every mainstream ecclesiastical institution in America in the early 20th century was on board with eugenics.
	Including alleged conservatives.
	People don't understand how pernicious this was.
	It was the fall of the science of the 1920s.
	They just believed that this was science.
	This was progress.
	This is what we have to do.
	And so Margaret Sanger wasn't just part of the eugenics movement, David.
	She was the eugenics movement.
	She defined birth control not as a way to help poor minority Birth control is not contraception thoughtlessly and indiscriminately practiced.
	Birth control means the cultivation and release of the better racial elements in our society and the gradual suppression, elimination, and eventual extinction of defective stalks, those human weeds which threaten the blossoming of the finest flowers of American civilization.
	A few years later, in 1939, she launched the Negro Project.
	That's what she called it.
	Her first board member was the exalted Cyclops of the Massachusetts KKK.
	His name was Lothrop Stoddard.
	And he's the only American to have had a one-on-one meeting with Adolf Hitler in Germany after he rose to power.
	He was invited by the Nazis to Germany and he met with Himmler and Joseph Goebbels and Fritz Saukel and Robert Lay and Hitler himself.
	And he writes about it in his book, Into the Darkness, Nazi Germany Today.
	That guy sat on Planned Parenthood's board for years.
	He was referred to as one of the spiritual fathers of Nazi Germany by Hans F. Gunther, who was a German race anthropologist and a high-ranking member of Hitler's goons.
	And he helped influence a German court to reach a positive verdict in sterilizing certain Jews while he was in Germany.
	I could go on and on and on and on.
	How is it that the founding board member of Planned Parenthood, who sat on there for, I think, like a couple decades as a board member, was part of the KKK in Massachusetts, wrote a book called The Rising Tide of Color Against White World Supremacy.
	Heinrich Himmler said that Stoddard's two books provided for him the blueprint for what would become the final solution, meaning that, yeah, the Nazis got the term subhuman, not just from Lothrop Stoddard.
	His other book was The Menace of the Underman, Underman translated into Untermensch by Alfred Rosenberg, Adolf Hitler's chief racial theorist.
	So that not only did the Nazis get the term subhuman from Planned Parenthood, they also based the blueprint for the final solution off of Stoddard's two books.
	You had some weirdo on you.
	I would have known this if this was true.
	No, I have all the citations in the book, the 1960 Project.
	I'll stop now, but it is that bad.
	We have been lied to about the history of progressive ideas for the last hundred or so years, and why?
	Because they're connected in a direct line to today's progressive revolutionary movement and today's Democrat Party.
	And if people knew the history of what we're We're facing today in America, and what it goes back to, and who it goes back to, and where those ideas came from, they would begin voting differently, they would begin living differently, and they would begin running from today's Democrat Party, and that's why they hide and bury this stuff.
	Yeah, and of course, that's one side of it.
	They draw from every political philosophy as long as it's totalitarian.
	They can pull in their woke stuff and their struggle sessions.
	They can pull that in from the communists.
	They can pull in the eugenics from the other people.
	But, yeah, it is a new profit center.
	For Planned Parenthood.
	The sterilization of kids.
	Perhaps that's one of the reasons why they don't want to talk about the eugenics case specifically and about what happened because it looks too much like what is going to be done to them throughout the schools.
	And that's the key thing.
	But even beyond that, And that is really, I think, the focus of these programs that are being supported by Planned Parenthood and this larger agenda in the schools.
	Tell us a little bit about, you have this outreach and you've shown it at several hundred churches, you say 800, that have seen the documentary.
	Talk a little bit about it from a Christian perspective and what you're pointing out to the churches to try to wake them up.
	Yeah, there's a lot we're trying to wake up the church to.
	I mean, David, I believe that unless the church flatulent becomes the church militant, it will become the church irrelevant.
	Go grab your AR-15s right now, although I am saving up for my next one.
	But what I mean is militant in righteousness, militant in fervor, militant for pure and undefiled religion in the public square.
	And so what we're trying to wake the church up to is that this is not quote-unquote political.
	It's fundamentally spiritual and theological.
	Is abortion political?
	Yes, of course it is, because there's laws around it, and so it has a political aspect, okay?
	These things manifest in the cultural and political realm, and we have to fight there, too.
	Duh.
	But is it fundamentally political?
	No, of course not.
	I mean, you go back to just a few decades ago, okay?
	Like, let's go several, actually.
	Let's go to maybe the 50s or 60s.
	Well, it's all downstream from spiritual, right?
	You know, the culture is downstream from spiritual, and the politics is downstream from that as well.
	Well, almost every Democrat in the Democrat Party in the 50s and 60s was pro-life.
	You know, you just think about that.
	That's kind of weird to think about, right?
	And then, of course, you go from safe, legal, and rare with Hillary Clinton to shout your abortions with Kamala pretty quickly.
	It's like, wow, that happened fast.
	No, it didn't happen fast.
	Things happen gradually, then suddenly, just like bankruptcy.
	They brew, and then one day the dam breaks open, and then a drag queen hits you in the face, and you're like, no, drag queen story hour happened really fast.
	It's like, well, no, it actually didn't.
	There were a lot of cracks on the dam up there in different places.
	You just didn't recognize it, Christian.
	And then one day there were too many cracks, and it just couldn't hold, and the whole thing came.
	And then we go, wow, what happened to America?
	It's like, well, okay, you want to know the We have a church in America who cares far more about accolades and attaboys and seal claps.
	From their congregations and not losing the ties of the registered Democrats in their congregation that they refuse to call to repentance for voting for child sacrifice party.
	And they're actually not interested in sacrificing on behalf of the unborn, the family, the cause of liberty, the things that God actually cares the most about.
	How heavy is a millstone, exactly, David?
	How heavy is a millstone?
	I mean, like, if you cause them to stumble, you should go drown yourself.
	What about if you tear their limbs off and cut their penis off, okay, as a minor?
	Yes, that has happened in America.
	They say we're conspiracy theorists, right?
	They say that's not happening.
	No minor has had genital surgery.
	No, they have, okay?
	Like, that is so demonic, there are no words for it.
	So all human conflict is ultimately theological, to quote Cardinal Henry Edward Manning, and to paraphrase you.
	All human conflict.
	Is ultimately theological.
	And so we're trying to wake up the church to see that this is our duty.
	When you talk about babies, procreation, marriage, man, woman, gender, babies, next generation, parents, parenting, that's our territory as the church.
	That's what the church for centuries in antiquity has led on.
	And now they've politicized everything that was fundamentally familial, Johnson Amendment, separation of church and state.
	We're going to take your 501c3 status.
	Okay, then take it.
	I don't care anymore.
	Take my 501c3 status.
	And pastors need to be willing to give that over if it means preaching the gospel and standing as a bulwark between evil and the next generation.
	If something doesn't change soon in America, David, I don't think we get the republic back.
	Are you aware of a civilization, David, that initially adopted the fruits of biblical faith and imbibed Christianity and then abandoned it for sexual libertinism and chaos and then found their way back to the fruits of Christendom?
	I'm not.
	I'm not aware of a civilization that went from Christ to chaos and back to Christ again.
	When civilizations go down the route that we're going down right now in America, historically, they don't find their way back.
	They lose their civilization or they're taken over by pagan hordes.
	What's the average lifespan of a civilization?
	250 years.
	If I'm doing my math right, we're less than two years away from that.
	Yeah.
	OK, so unless the church wakes up and gives God a reason to show America mercy by participating in Christian resistance, which could mean, yes, outside of abortion centers, pleading with moms to choose life, having hundreds of believers at school board meetings to primary every single one of those groomer school board members who push gender theory and and and and.
	There's so many things we can be doing as a church to bring about cultural transformation, but it starts with the pulpits.
	It starts with the church.
	If pastors would preach the full counsel of God, apply the Word of God to all the insanity that we're seeing, that's called discipleship.
	Christians would begin voting.
	You know this, we're the largest and weakest voting bloc in America.
	Largest and weakest voting bloc in America simultaneously somehow because Christians are so pious and self-righteous or they're progressive and they just don't show up and vote.
	And so what's going to happen in the next few hours and in the next few weeks, depending on how long it takes to count votes this time, is going to be on the church.
	And so what we're doing with the film and with the White Rose Resistance, David, is we're just trying to plead with the church, look at how evil this agenda is.
	I'm not asking you to wear a MAGA hat.
	I'm asking you to adopt the mantle of Christian resistance that your forefathers lived and died according to before it's too late.
	And I think we need to understand on this election day that going into a ballot box and checking a box, that's not done, right?
	That you're not done with that.
	The real hard work is in each Each and every one of our individual lives as your parents homeschooled you, as we homeschooled our kids.
	If you are against this, be a leader.
	Take the lead and take the lead of your family and lead your family away from this corrupt institution.
	That's the key thing.
	Christians need to understand that we've had this conversation, I've had this all my life with people, it seems like, but certainly for the last 35 years.
	I would talk to people and try to tell them what had happened in school and say, this is not the school that you went to.
	It's completely different.
	Well, yeah, I know that.
	I've seen the reports, but, you know, that's happening in another state or it's happening in another school district or whatever.
	Even if it's happening in my school, not in my kids' classroom.
	Well, in 2020, they got to see that it was happening in their kids' classroom.
	And so now there's no excuse.
	We know.
	And that's what the Christians need to say.
	So now what are you going to do about it now that you know what this institution is?
	What are you going to do about it?
	First, get your kid out, and then if we get enough of us, we can shut down that institution.
	And we can restructure and build it from the ground up.
	I mean, these people want a great reset.
	Let's do a great reset of families.
	Let's do a great reset of education.
	That's what we need to have a great reset of.
	Our institutions have been completely taken over by the Marxists.
	They wanted to march through them, and they did.
	And they did.
	They've got it now.
	They told us what they were going to do.
	You know, one of the things I look at when I look at Margaret Singer, And eugenics and everything.
	Also think about another strain that was very popular, and I think it's coming back in a big way with the people out of Silicon Valley, and that's the technocracy.
	And of course, you know, that just melds right in with this whole eugenics thing.
	Do you see anything coming through with that?
	This kind of, this mania about, yeah, we're all going to, we're going to be the smartest people, the best people, you know, we can go on the other way from DEI, right?
	It's very easy for us to swing the pendulum too far in one way and then go back We're very vulnerable at this point, after they've run this DEI thing, for us to go hyper on the competency thing into a technocratic eugenics type of thing.
	I don't know, that's just my thought.
	What do you think about that?
	Well, I mean, you know, it's interesting seeing the ideas that are originally fringe and mocked at that then become popular really fast.
	I'm sure you've seen this.
	You've seen more cultural decay just because you're older than me.
	You see how quickly a bad idea can become really bad and really popular.
	It's like, what are we doing?
	Why are you believing this?
	There is a movement right now on the technocrat.
	I just call them all gay communists, but it's probably not very Christian of me.
	In Silicon Valley, and those master world planner billionaire betters of ours, that want to create, now wait for this phrase, the ubermenschen.
	So not the untermenschen, which again was, let me say this again for your listeners, was a phrase that the Nazis got from Planned Parenthood.
	Their first board member, meaning subhuman, and the title of Heinrich Himmler's famous Nazi propaganda book, Der Unterwensch, which, by the way, I just found an original copy online.
	I just bought it there.
	You don't see these really anymore.
	because they're trying to bury it.
	Well, now the flip side of that would be, you know, I guess the way to describe this historically would have been positive and negative eugenics, right?
	So negative eugenics would be like, sterilize the people we don't want having kids.
	Positive eugenics would be encourage the fit and the strong to have lots of kids.
	And so positive eugenics is also quite nasty.
	But it doesn't always result in obliterating the weak.
	But guess what?
	It will always go there eventually.
	This is the Promethean impulse that pagans have when they believe what the serpent said in Genesis 3. Ye shall be as gods.
	And live forever, right?
	We're going to transfer over to a robot.
	That's right.
	That's good, David.
	Exactly.
	That Promethean impulse goes all the way back to the garden.
	And so now we're seeing a lot of conversations, articles being written about this, attempts to do things like this.
	Even with Elon Musk and others, actually, as much respect as I have for him, with these chips in our brains, with expanding our brain capacity.
	Oh, nothing to worry about with that.
	Yeah, with attaching different robotic improvements to human beings.
	There's a lot of things that they want to do to create this superhuman race.
	And you know what's going to inevitably happen if we go that way and that stuff becomes popular, is that if we do create an elevated, well, obviously not different species, we're the same species, but an elevated class or way to be human and way to practice being human, the poorer and the weaker who cannot afford or get their hands on such advancements in technology will eventually be dominated.
	That's right.
	And if you think that's, like, conspiratorial and you're listening to David and I right now, you're an idiot who doesn't know your history.
	Yeah, it goes back to Plato wanting to do that.
	You go, like, look at Brave New World, Aldous Huxley selling that idea.
	I mean, they always want to stratify society with themselves on the top.
	And that brings back to – I want to go back because I meant to ask you this earlier.
	Margaret Sanger, how in the world did she get the way she was?
	What was her origin story of this monster?
	Yeah, I'll give a flyover, because you can go really deep on that.
	So you should go to the1916project.com and get my book.
	The subtitle, David, is The Lying, the Witch, and the War We're In.
	The Lying, the Witch, and the War We're In.
	Yeah.
	But not a lion that roars, but L-Y-I-N, the lying.
	And, I mean, okay, so Sanger was a communist.
	She was part of the New York labor movement.
	She was a serial adulterer.
	She was one of the first mothers of the free love movement.
	She wanted to free the libido and free women from the consequences of that libido by limiting birth.
	I'm surprised she didn't run for president like our current candidate.
	Well, Kamala Harris really was the first Margaret Sanger.
	She, too, slept her way up the levers of power.
	That's right.
	And that's a hilarious story.
	It's sick, but it's hilarious.
	Kamala Harris' husband at her campaign rally yesterday.
	Oh my gosh.
	David, these jokes write themselves.
	And he goes, you know what Kamala does?
	She puts her head down and she goes to work.
	And I'm sorry.
	I was just like, her husband saying that at his own wife's rally was just hilarious.
	Anyways.
	That was Margaret Sanger, too, okay?
	And she was living in Greenwich Village in 1914, which is, by the way, the same place that the Stonewall movement and the homosexual movement was birthed.
	It's the same place that Kate Millett, with her book Sexual Politics, hosted these Maoist consciousness-raising liturgical struggle sessions about how to destroy the patriarchy, right?
	And they would say, they would chant, like, how do we destroy the patriarch?
	By taking away his power.
	And how do we take away his power?
	By promoting licentiousness, eroticism, pornography, homosexuality, and abortion.
	By the way, that story comes from Mallory Millett, who became a conservative Catholic, whose sister, Kate Millett, was one of the most prominent second-wave feminists, whose work really provided the creation for women's studies and feminist studies programs at American universities.
	Anyways, I don't know why everything bad comes from Greenwich Village.
	I don't know what it is about that.
	But anyways, that's where Sanger's living.
	In Greenwich Village in 1914, okay, David?
	And she starts attending these kind of leftist, revolutionary think tank gatherings with lots of alcohol.
	And this was hosted at Mabel Dodge's apartment, where she held sort of a French-styled salon and gatherings.
	And Sanger's topic was always sex.
	And it's interesting reading some of the people who were there.
	Writing about Sanger later.
	And Mabel Dodge said, who hosted these gatherings in her apartment, said Sanger's topic was always sex, she said.
	She said it was almost as if she was chosen by the powers that be to be a new gospel and a new voice for the rehabilitation of sex.
	And she said that this was taboo back then, talking about Sanger, her friend Sanger.
	She said, like, because, like, no one talked about that stuff then.
	She's just a little bit ahead of her time.
	She could have been a movie studio head.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Free love and adultery and orgasms without responsibility.
	Whoa, that's super taboo.
	But that's what Sanger was about.
	And so, I mean, I believe...
	And then Sanger really gets radicalized, and she becomes fast friends with Emma Goldman, who was another of the heroes of the second-wave feminists, like Kate Millett and Gloria Steinem and others.
	And Emma Goldman was an anarchist and communist who had come to Greenwich Village to begin raising up a generation of new disciples.
	Have you noticed this about the left guys?
	They're very good at secular discipleship.
	They're often better than we are to disciple the next generation to be salt and light and ambassadors for Christ.
	So anyway, you asked me, how did she become who she was?
	So this is really, really interesting.
	Sanger starts spreading her leaflets, pamphlets on sex and free love and illegal forms of douches and contraceptives that were like – And she starts sending these in the mail.
	I have one of them that actually got her indicted behind me in my cabinet.
	And I buy this stuff before they're gone forever.
	And so she gets in trouble with the Comstock laws.
	These are the anti-obscenity laws.
	By the way, we still have many anti-obscenity laws on the books.
	They're just never enforced because of how sick our culture is.
	And so rather than get arrested, guess what Sanger does?
	Here's how the mother of abortion and the patron saint of feminism gets her beginning.
	She flees to England.
	She has her socialist friends raise her kids.
	And she has them forge her a passport, and she flees to England to avoid being arrested by New York state authorities.
	She spends 18 months being the first Kamala Harris and sleeping her way up the levers of influence in England.
	H.G. Wells, who wrote War of the Worlds.
	Yep, jumped in his bed.
	Many other beds.
	And then she meets a man who she would refer to as basically her biggest influence of her life.
	She talks about him, this man, this way, in her writings.
	Which I have the unfortunate job description of having to read so you don't have to.
	His name was Havelock Ellis.
	He was the Alfred Kinsey of England.
	He wrote over 100 books on every weird form of sexually titillating experimental activities.
	He himself was impotent, so he was always trying to find new ways to get excited.
	That's the PG-13 version.
	He hosted orgies in his home, and he would force his wife to watch him as he participated in these entanglements with both men and women.
	He liked to experiment with hallucinogens during orgies.
	And he begins an affair with Margaret Sanger.
	Havelock Ellis is one of the fathers of the free love movement.
	He was a predecessor even to Kinsey.
	And he begins to write about his sexual adulterous affairs with Margaret Sanger in letters that he forces his wife to read and drives his wife insane.
	So a real peach!
	And he begins to coach Sanger to prepare for her journey back to New York City.
	He told her to focus on the more scientific-sounding themes of eugenics and birth control and less on her revolutionary-sounding themes of communism and anarchism.
	He coached her to be more effective.
	Well, here's where it gets interesting.
	If this was Sanger's most influential political and sexual mentor, they remained pen pals until his death.
	She went back to England multiple times to see Havelock Ellis.
	And he became a very popular guest writer in her magazine, The Birth Control Review, which was Planned Parenthood's publication for decades.
	Guess who he was discipled by?
	Guess who Havelock Ellis' mentor was?
	Who's that?
	Francis Galton, who coined this word.
	He coined a word.
	It was eugenics.
	Francis Galton coined the term eugenics.
	He's the father of the eugenics movement.
	Havelock Ellis was his protege.
	Well, Francis Galton was inspired by his cousin's book, Origin of Species and the Preservation of the Favored Races.
	That's right, by Charles Darwin.
	That would be the half-cousin of Francis Galton.
	So not only did we go from Darwinism, survival of the fittest, to eugenics, Elimination of the unfit.
	Not only did we go from one to the other really quickly, David, but it happened within the same family.
	Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
	So, by the way, Darwin was really fascinated and inspired by Thomas Malthus, who was an English clergyman who, at the end of the 1700s, when America was 20 years old, begins to write about a population bomb.
	Way before Paul Ehrlich's 1968 book about how food production can't keep up with population growth.
	So eventually, we're going to have massive starvation unless you obliterate the weak and the poor and the dying and the diseased.
	And so Darwin read Malthus' writings.
	Galton read Darwin's writings.
	Havelock Ellis read Galton's writings.
	and Sanger was mentored by Havelock Ellis.
	So literally from one person to the other, all who knew the other, we went from too many people on planet earth to, Like, Origin of Species is, like, animal stuff.
	And then in Descent of Man, he just says, like, well, let's just apply that to human populations.
	Okay.
	And then Galton, who says, oh, thanks, cuz.
	I love your book.
	Let's obliterate human unfit people.
	Who mentors sexual weirdo Kinsey-like England Havelock Ellis orgy hosting dude who becomes Sanger's number one political and sexual mentor.
	So we went from survival of the fittest to obliterate the unfit to sexual chaos and orgies to child sacrifice awfully quickly, didn't we?
	What am I trying to say?
	Ideology is a hell of a drug.
	And ideas have consequences and bad ideas have victims.
	So that's a little bit for your question.
	What a fascinating story.
	It's fascinating, and it reminds me of what you see in the Dickens novels all the time, right?
	Everybody's related to everybody else, and ideologically, they're all related to each other, and I think there's some kind of generational demonic thing going on here as well.
	But it is interesting to see what a tight clique that was, and where all these ideas are coming from.
	Almost like it's a cabal, or like they planned it.
	That's right.
	We see all these different streams that many people will think of as being separate and independently coming, but we see they had a cabal.
	Common origin.
	And they're now converging together in our society at the same time, aren't they?
	It's amazing.
	Very well said.
	Wow.
	It truly is amazing.
	I'm sure that's a fascinating film, the1916project.com.
	Now, people can see the trailer there.
	Is it online?
	How do you have this?
	Yeah, the trailer's on our website, but we released the film right before the election for free on Twitter, now called X. And so the Spanish version has over 7 million views.
	The English version has over 2 million views, or 2.5 million.
	So if you go to the1916project.com, Pick up the book.
	The book will rip your face off.
	It will red pill you.
	It will Holy Spirit pill you.
	You ain't never read a book like this.
	And the book goes way deeper than the film, by the way, David.
	So it's not just like a replica.
	It's like way more information that I wanted to put in the film, but I didn't have the space for.
	And then as soon as you go to the website, a window pops up.
	It says, watch the film.
	And so it'll take you straight to our Twitter, our X account, our 1916 Project film, X account.
	And you can watch the whole film there.
	But it's only up until November 13th.
	And then we're going to pull it off of X. And then in short order, we'll get it to various streaming.
	But we wanted to take it to the largest and freest social media platform in the world right now, thanks to Elon Musk buying it.
	And so that's where we decided to release it initially.
	So that's where you can watch it right now.
	And then our ministry, The White Rose Resistance, we made the film.
	Our donors paid to get this film done.
	We traveled to Munich, Nashville, Houston, Los Angeles, New York City.
	It's a fascinating, it's a beautiful film, just aesthetically.
	I have an incredible producer and team.
	It's beautiful.
	we put the pieces together.
	We did the old Glenn Beck chalkboard style where you connect all the dots and this goes to this and this goes to this.
	And we did that.
	The book, if you get it from us, our website comes with a timeline in the book that's a replica of the chalkboard scene in the film of all the dates and people and how all this insanity called the 21st century happened by left wing weirdos, architects of the culture of death.
	And so we're really trying to teach people that ideas have consequences and bad ideas have victims and that all of this is fundamentally theological and spiritual and it's time for the church to wake up.
	And so we launch resistance chapters with my ministry, the White Rose Resistance, all around the country.
	We've launched in Boise, Fort Worth, Denver, Southern California, Florida.
	And now we're planning a bunch of launches for next year.
	And then we hire regional leadership.
	We do trainings and we show believers what Christian resistance looks like in it.
	locally where God has them, meaning we're in such a mess in the culture, David, we can't vote our way out of it.
	That's right.
	We can vote to restrain evil.
	Of course, we can vote to restrain evil insofar as we can, given the choices.
	It's going to take like a rebirth of Christians sacrificing and rebuilding a culture of life, which starts in your own home first, by the way.
	That's right.
	And it starts by not being ashamed.
	And not being silenced.
	And you notice that the line of attack, especially social media and everything, is to get people to self-censor and to get people to sit down and to be ashamed and not to say anything.
	And we have to, first of all, get over that.
	We'll absolutely be totally worthless.
	I think it's interesting that you had so many more Hispanic views, 7 million, than you did of English-speaking documentary, 2 million.
	Why do you think that is?
	People that I've known that are Hispanic, they have a lot more conservative families than I think that might be it.
	I'm still trying to figure that out.
	I didn't expect it to do quite so well, actually, on the Spanish version, but I'm very pleased that it is because those would be historically, if you want to look at the history of eugenics, minorities would historically be some of the classes that Sanger and her ilk would have focused.
	I like what you said, David, about self-censorship.
	that's one of the final actually strategies is that you don't even have to use the threat of Cancel culture or big government or big tech to silence your political opponents because they become cowards and they're afraid to speak.
	And so they self-censor.
	Theodore Dalrymple has this really interesting observation about this.
	This might be a fun thing to finish on.
	He says, in my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate.
	And therefore, the less it corresponded to reality, the better.
	When people are forced to remain silent, when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse, when they are forced to repeat those lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of integrity.
	To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself.
	Your standing to resist anything is thus eroded and even destroyed.
	A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.
	It has the same effect and is intended to.
	That's so true.
	I've told people so many times recently.
	That's right.
	Fully on that, in his essay, short essay, won't take you very long.
	You can read it out loud in five minutes.
	But his essay, Live Not By Lies.
	And that was the thing he said.
	He said, look, I understand if they're going to kick you out of your job, your home, and all the rest of the stuff.
	He goes, you know, maybe you say to yourself, well, I'm going to go along with this.
	He goes, but don't believe it.
	And that's what Orwell was into.
	I understood.
	You know, do not believe that two plus two equals five.
	If they get you to actually believe that and double think what you and to say and to literally go along with what you know is not true and really internal.
	That's the ultimate goal.
	The heresy of heresies is common sense.
	That's right.
	Their goal is to control you.
	I mean, that's why they have the struggle sessions where they do the self-announcement.
	But, of course, we see that now.
	You've got to be an anti-racist and all the rest of the stuff.
	It's all a replay of these strategies that have been perfected by them.
	And so I think it is key.
	We don't want to be necessarily combative, but we also know that because Jesus said, you know, We're going to hate you if you follow me.
	We know that's going to be there, but we don't try to create conflict.
	We want to give people the truth, but we want to have both truth and mercy bound around our neck.
	And so we want to do it in a merciful way, a non-confrontational way, but we have to not be afraid of that confrontation, and we have to not be afraid of getting our feelings hurt or hurting somebody else.
	We don't try to do that, but the key thing is that we have to not be intimidated, and that's what they really The 1916project.com.
	You get a lot more information than is even in the documentary.
	The documentary for a couple more weeks is free on Twitter, and you have set up a package to help churches To disciple people, to get them to understand the times in which they live, and what the battle is about, and which side is, you know, what the issues are and where they need to be on these issues to think about them.
	And I think that is the key thing.
	I've told people in this election, we need to not focus so much on who is right.
	And so that's a very key thing to get those principles down to people.
	That is something that the church definitely has a role in, to show what is right.
	That is very, very important.
	So thank you so much.
	Seth Gruber, it's been fascinating to talk to you, and I'm sure it's a fascinating book and a documentary.
	I haven't seen it yet, but I will do it as soon as I get some time.
	Yeah, let me know when you watch it.
	The1916project.com.
	That links to our White Rose Resistance ministry website as well for people that want to join us.
	We're doing an event in DC on January 23rd, the day before the March for life, uh, called life or death con with Eric Metaxas, Ali, Beth Stucky, Dr. George Grant, Nancy piercey, some other incredible voices.
	David, thank you for your clarity and your voice, and I enjoyed talking with you today.
	Thank you so much.
	And you've got a podcast, too.
	That's great.
	Seth Gruber, our show.
	Thank you so much.
	That's right.
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