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April 22, 2025 - The David Knight Show

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Tue Episode #1994: CO2 Pipeline Peril - Elite’s Deadly Green Grift Threatens Lives and Liberty

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	As the clock strikes 13, it's Tuesday, the 22nd of April.
	You have our Lord 2025, and it is also Earth Day.
	And so today on this Earth Day, we're going to take a look at the green bonanza, but rather than look at the...
	55 years of the world's going to end and all these false predictions and prophecies.
	Instead, we're going to take a look at a new dangerous policy.
	Yeah, we've looked at deindustrialization, a kind of neo-dark ages, starvation policies denying us meat and dairy and many other things, eat the bugs, immobilization, no autos, no flights, nothing, even limiting the amount of clothing that we can buy.
	But today we're going to take a look at another kind of insanity.
	A very dangerous kind of insanity that is associated with carbon sequestration and pipelines.
	And guess what?
	Elon Musk and Donald Trump are at the very center of this, along with the governors from North and South Dakota that are now a big part of the Trump administration.
	We'll be right back.
	We'll be right back.
	Well, on this Earth Day, and here we are, this is, let's see, the first one was 1970.
	So we're 55 years into this.
	They've been doing this Earth Day scam as long as Klaus Schwab, who was the head of the World Economic Forum, he stepped down as well.
	Same age as the Pope.
	They have a lot in common, as a matter of fact.
	We're going to talk about that later.
	And, of course, Christy Noem.
	Who is going to greenlight the pipelines going through.
	She's now there at DHS.
	These people who want you to have real ID and all the rest of this stuff.
	She just had her purse stolen with all of her high-level clearance documents and all the rest of the stuff in it.
	Plus $3,000 in cash.
	How much do these people make?
	Well, actually, they don't make that much.
	She's got another source of income somewhere.
	I haven't done a deep dive to see if it was her family business.
	They had a farm.
	It could be a very, very big farm, a very successful farm.
	Or maybe there's something else going on.
	When she goes down to El Salvador and stands in front of that terrorist prison and shows off her $50,000 watch.
	She's got a watch that costs $50,000.
	She's got a purse that's got $3,000 cash in it.
	These people should have got her watch.
	Obviously not doing their research.
	I mean, it was all over the news that she had a $50,000 watch.
	I told that to Whistler and he said it must keep really good time.
	No, it's just an ostentatious display of wealth, isn't it?
	But let's talk about the ostentatious display of arrogance and tyranny in this net zero.
	And you've got the net zero zealots.
	We're talking about their time frame.
	It varies anywhere from 2030 to 2050 for most Western countries.
	China and India are going to get there someday, they say.
	2060, 70, something like that.
	But, you know, after everybody else has shut down all their industry, maybe they will at some point in time.
	But there's an interesting article on Exposé News out of the UK saying net zero zealots.
	Have forgotten that 6,000 products are made from crude oil, including the equipment that is needed for their green agenda.
	Yeah, we can kind of sum it up mostly in one word.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's not working, though, is it?
	I just want to say one word to you.
	Just one word.
	Yes, sir.
	Are you listening?
	Yes, sir.
	Plastics. Yeah, yeah.
	You need to get those college graduates who have been propagandized for 12 years, maybe longer, kindergarten, right?
	Maybe even earlier, they're watching some of these other programs.
	So you need to get a hold of them.
	These people have been brainwashed and gaslit all of their lives, graduating from college, maybe graduating from graduate school.
	And I tell them plastics.
	Plastics. Yeah.
	Amazing how that comes back, isn't it?
	Net zero policymakers the world over appear to be unaware that electricity is generated after oil, that renewables only produce electricity, not the products and the fuels needed to support the world's population.
	By the way, as I said, I used to work with a group that was fighting this climate change nonsense.
	And one of the guys who would go around, he'd worked for the EPA for 30 years, and then he retired and went into opposition to them because they had their mission creep.
	It was a metastasizing bureaucracy like a cancer, and now they were no longer interested in cleaning up the environment.
	Instead, they were interested in weaponizing this climate change nonsense.
	So he went into opposition against them.
	He would go around, he'd talk to people.
	I had different presentations and he'd say, you know, so what's your favorite form of energy?
	You know, meaning do you want to get your energy from oil, coal, gas, solar, wind, nuclear, you know, biochemicals or, you know, biomass, that type of stuff.
	What's your favorite form of energy?
	He said it never failed that somebody would raise their hand and say electricity.
	No, that's the product of all those things.
	And that's the...
	That kind of answer is a product of extreme public ignorance about all this stuff.
	That's how they get us.
	So, everything needs electricity.
	iPhones, computers.
	And they are made with petrochemicals manufactured from crude oil, coal, or natural gas.
	Even the Green Agenda needs hydrocarbons.
	All electric vehicles, solar panels, wind turbines are built with products, components, and equipment made from crude oil derivatives.
	Plastics. Of one storm or the other.
	Getting rid of crude oil will eliminate electricity.
	More than 6,000 products.
	In demand by hospitals, airports, communications, transport, the 8 billion people on this planet.
	See, that's the design, though.
	That's their purpose.
	They want to get rid of most of the 8 billion people.
	They don't want there to be more than half a billion or something like that.
	They want to get rid of most of the people.
	They've made that pretty clear over and over again.
	For the people that remain, if they're even necessary at all, actually, you know, the numbers that they put up on the Georgia Guidestone, that was maybe not taking into consideration all their wonderful robots that are going to do everything for them.
	They don't even need us as their slaves.
	But they want to put us into a neo-feudal system, a neo-dark ages, de-industrialize everything.
	Today, net-zero policymakers are setting green policies.
	And this author says they are oblivious to the reality that so-called renewables only generate electricity, cannot make anything.
	They are not oblivious to reality.
	It's the public that is oblivious to the reality.
	These people know full well what they're doing.
	Full well.
	Everything that needs electricity, like iPhones, computers, made from, petrochemicals, manufactured from crude oil, coal, or natural gas.
	Electricity came after oil, as all electrical generation methods from hydro, coal, natural gas, nuclear, wind, solar, are built with the products, components, and equipment that are made from oil, from derivatives, manufactured from crude oil.
	All EVs, solar panels, wind turbines built with products, components, equipment made from crude oil derivatives, all transportation fuel for cars, trucks, merchant ships, aircraft, military as well for manufactured raw crude oil.
	Getting rid of crude oil would eliminate electricity in more than 6,000 products.
	The ruling class in wealthy countries is not cognizant that the planet's population has increased from 1 to 8 billion after oil over the last 200 years.
	No, I disagree with that.
	They know that exactly.
	They know that it is cheap available energy that has not only created the lifestyles that we have.
	And has given us more freedom and independence from things that we had in the past.
	But they know that it's also led to an increase in life expectancy and in population.
	And they don't like any of those things.
	They don't like us having our own energy.
	They don't like us having independence.
	They don't like us having mobility, food, any of this.
	They don't like us.
	And so it's not just about them changing our lifestyle and enslaving us.
	They want to get rid of life expectation.
	They know exactly what it is.
	It's amazing to me to see how somebody can give them the credit when they have said it over and over.
	I'm not drawing conclusions here, although that would be very easy to do based on their actions.
	But they've admitted it, said it over and over and over again, what their objectives are.
	Lifestyles before the 1800s are drastically different.
	The world did not have any infrastructures that we have today.
	Transportation, hospitals, medical equipment, appliances, electronics, telecommunications, communication systems, space programs, heating, ventilating, military.
	Well, I did have military.
	I always have had military.
	Even if you just got the strong men of the Roman Legion with their shields and swords, they've had the military.
	But the rest of the infrastructure for the military was not there.
	Of course, it's not a good thing that they have magnified their capability to rain death from the skies on civilian populations, and they do it with nauseating regularity.
	All of the above infrastructure needs electricity.
	The same electricity is based on wire and insulation, which are made from the same oil derivatives manufactured from raw crude oil.
	Today we have more than 50,000 merchant ships, more than 20,000 commercial aircraft, more than 50,000 military aircraft that use fuels manufactured from crude oil.
	We've had more than 200 years to clone oil.
	To support the supply chain of products demanded by society, we've been unsuccessful at that.
	Now, there are other people who have come up with alternative forms of energy who have been shut down, bought out, quietly moved away.
	It's not to say that we can't have some, and of course, I'm not here in defense of big oil.
	I'm here in defense of oil.
	I'm not here in defense of big food.
	I'm here in defense of food.
	And so, and on and on.
	It's the bigs that have to be concerned about.
	The wealthier countries.
	Have all the above infrastructure, and they have greater longevity than the other 80% of the people on the planet Earth.
	Yeah, it's not just lifestyle.
	It's lifespan.
	The cheap, available energy is.
	So, what do our governments in the West want to do?
	Well, they want to attack that.
	The foundation.
	That's what all this nonsense about Earth Day is.
	This is what all this...
	These false alarms and false alarmism that's been going on for over 55 years is all about.
	Same people who put that thing together, as I've mentioned over and over again.
	Paul Ehrlich and others were all about reducing population.
	It all came from the depopulationists.
	They just changed the narrative for public consumption and started using the government institutions to propagandize future generations.
	The Australian government has a target of net zero by 2030.
	The German government, net zero by 2045.
	California, by 2045.
	Now, of course, we've seen these numbers move down to 2030, 2030 many times.
	Those numbers are malleable.
	That's the maximum amount of time they're going to take.
	It doesn't say they won't move those numbers further down.
	The UK, net zero, 2050.
	Canada, 2050.
	EU, Japan, and South Korea, 2050.
	The Biden administration, 2050.
	India, 2070.
	They get another 20 years to dominate us.
	And China, 2060.
	After all industry has moved to them.
	And then they'll say, well, you know, we can't shut that down.
	We have to have that keep them going.
	24 states, Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia, have 100% clean energy goals.
	And again, to call something clean or dirty, that's just a...
	A politicized term.
	You can make any of these things clean.
	It's just a question of technology and cost.
	It's very expensive to make a zero-emission, essentially zero-emission diesel, but you can do it.
	I mean, Mercedes has got their blue goo or whatever they have.
	They can capture all of the things that we imagine are going to kill us.
	They can capture all that stuff.
	It's a matter of expense and technology, but you can put that there.
	And when you look at it, From that standpoint, then why is it that the one that works has to be banned and we're going to go to something completely different?
	Both of them require investments of money.
	Both of them require refinements in technology.
	But the one is something that is there by the organizations that need to be replaced.
	And we have to have some brand new stuff for the people who have bought their politicians.
	That's the way the politicians do it.
	Sorry, you can't use that anymore.
	We have declared that to be dirty, unclean.
	It's unclean, unclean, unclean, like leprous, you know?
	So don't use the leprous technology.
	We're going to tell you now that you've got to use this stuff over here, which Bill Gates or Elon Musk has developed and isn't quite developed yet.
	And it's extremely expensive.
	And it's more expensive than if you were to quote-unquote clean up the unclean.
	But you must do that because we said so.
	Before the decarbonization pledges go into effect and significantly reduce the availability of products and fuels made from oil that support life on Earth, all the world's net zero plans need to be amended to identify the replacement to fossil fuels that can support The 8 billion people on this planet,
	again, it's good this person is listing all the things that we use these unclean, leprous technologies for, but he doesn't realize that they want to get rid of the 8 billion people on it.
	You've got to tell us how you're going to support 8 billion people.
	Should we tell them that that's not the plan, to support 8 billion people?
	Should we tell them that we don't care about having a replacement?
	Yeah, it's gaslighting to think this is about CO2 or climate.
	It's not about that at all.
	It's about depopulation.
	And so this was, I got a heads up from Ryan.
	Thank you for sending that to me.
	I didn't realize that the John Burke Society is going to be premiering a video, and they have a YouTube channel.
	Pretty small.
	I imagine they're heavily shadow banned, and if they get any more attention, they'll be taken down.
	But you can find their stuff on the places where, you know, there isn't censorship.
	Odyssey, Bitchute, Rumble, places like that.
	And so the John Birch Society is putting out a documentary, unveiling it today on Earth Day, because it is about the issue of CO2 pipelines and the danger.
	This is an accident that happened back in 2020.
	It was reported a year later by NPR.
	Mainstream media has not really talked about it.
	And it is something that really hasn't got much attention, and that is the danger of what can happen when a CO2 pipeline bursts.
	The CO2 that is typically only zero point...
	What is it?
	0.04% of the atmosphere.
	I think it's 0.04%.
	It's an extremely small, tiny trace amount.
	One person put up, you know, the miraculous CO2 gas.
	This tiny trace amount in the atmosphere.
	And look at how it's changing the world's climate.
	Absolute nonsense, if you understand that.
	Anyway, the small trace amount that is there in the atmosphere.
	Once you concentrate it in massive quantities in a pipeline.
	If this thing bursts, it can suffocate the people around there.
	And it can hang there for quite some time.
	So it can be quite dangerous.
	And when we go back, remember before the election, we were talking about this pipeline thing that was happening.
	We had this summit.
	Pipeline, the CEO of Summit, one of the biggest of these pipeline companies, wanted to build a pipeline going across continental United States, at least halfway across it, and to deposit it into the ground in North Dakota and South Dakota.
	And so the North and South Dakota governors, Christy Noem and Doug Burgum, a billionaire in his own right, both of them went to Mar-a-Lago.
	Along with the CEO of the summit pipeline and met with Trump before the election.
	And we said, well, we know what they're going to do with this.
	It's a massive green grift.
	And you need to understand that the carbon sequestration stuff is the green grift that the conservatives and Republicans really like.
	Because it's also tied to the oil industry.
	And so it's a way to keep the oil industry...
	It's a way that they don't have to fight this false narrative of climate change.
	They can just get an indulgence and they can make more money by setting up this carbon sequestration, these pipelines, and all the rest of the stuff.
	And then a lot of other people can get cut in on it as well.
	And you and I are the big losers.
	We wind up having to pay for all this stuff.
	We wind up with the dangerous potential of an accident with this stuff.
	But mainly it is the cost.
	That is there.
	And so, Christy Noem is now the head of Homeland Security.
	Doug Burgum is now the head of the Interior Department.
	There has been something of a setback for this because this pipeline was going to go through and just confiscate people's property.
	They're going to give this corporation eminent domain.
	And let them steal the property.
	That has suffered some court setbacks.
	We'll see how long that lasts.
	Because there's a tremendous amount of money to be made in this.
	But again, this is an NPR story, and they had an angle in it as well.
	In the same way that the oil companies want to push the carbon sequestration, NPR wanted to oppose it because they opposed the oil companies.
	And so that's the bottom line.
	Before we get to the bottom line, there's the issue of what actually happened and the pipeline danger.
	And this is a trailer for the documentary that's being put out by the John Burt Society, released today.
	Stand Your Ground.
	He was a tremendous roar.
	Tremendous roar.
	What if you suddenly couldn't breathe?
	Get the kids in the house.
	I said, why?
	He said, the pipeline has exploded.
	And 9-11 couldn't help you.
	That's an 1,800 foot, what they call the kill zone.
	That's lethal.
	If you're within that range, you will be killed.
	This is the dark truth about CO2 pipelines.
	One liter of liquefied carbon turns into 20 cubic yards of gas in a millisecond once it reaches the atmosphere.
	And then you just have this bursting cloud of gas.
	Stand your ground against the CO2 pipeline.
	You translate a 9-inch into a 36-inch pipe.
	That kill zone is 5 miles.
	We would never be able to get people to safety in time.
	Unearthing, and they put that in there as U-N, earthing.
	Standyourground.watch, if you want to see that documentary being released today.
	I haven't seen it yet, I've just seen these trailers, and thanks to Ryan for sending that to me.
	So, the NPR story, written a year after this happened on February the 22nd, 2020, about a month before the lockdown chaos, right?
	A clear Saturday after weeks of rain, A couple of people and their cousin decide to go fishing.
	They're headed home when they heard a boom and saw a big white cloud shooting up into the evening sky.
	Burns' first thought was a pipeline explosion.
	He didn't know what was filling the air, but he called his mom to warn her to get inside and told her he was coming.
	Brown gathered her young grandchild and great-grandchildren she was watching, took them into the back bedroom, and got under a quilt.
	With them and waited.
	She said, but they didn't come.
	She said, ten minutes.
	I knew they would have been here in five minutes, but they didn't come.
	Little did she know that her sons and nephew were just down the road in a car, unconscious, victims of a mass poisoning from carbon dioxide pipeline rupture.
	As the carbon dioxide moved through the rural community, more than 200 people were evacuated.
	At least 45 people were hospitalized.
	Cars stopped working.
	Because they need to have the oxygen.
	It displaces that as well.
	Hobbling emergency response.
	People lay on the ground, shaking, unable to breathe.
	First responders didn't know what was going on.
	Jack Willingham, emergency director, said it looked like you were going through a zombie apocalypse.
	And again, isn't it strange we'd never heard anything about this from the media, really?
	NPR picked it up only because they want to attack the oil industry.
	Which they see as driving this.
	Economic activities, that's a part of it.
	It's why the Republicans are jumping in on the side of this.
	I mean, they should jump in and just say, all of this climate change stuff is just gaslighting, it's not real, shut up, we're not going to spend the money.
	No, instead, they come up with a scheme, their own green grift, to get the money like the Democrats.
	They've just got a different rationale and a different group of people.
	But hey, they're not going to let a business opportunity like that go.
	If you can make that kind of money, like Elon Musk did to become the world's richest man, you're not going to let that go.
	You're not going to tell people the truth.
	You're not going to say the emperor's got no clothes and this whole thing is a pile of failed lies and prophecies for 55 years.
	You're not going to say that.
	You're going to exploit it, right?
	Three years.
	After the CO2 poisoning from the pipeline break, this was written in 2023, some see the incident as a warning of a critical moment for U.S. climate policy.
	The country is looking at a dramatic expansion of its CO2 pipeline network, thanks in part to billions of dollars in incentives from The Biden administration.
	Yeah, he's selling money at everybody on both sides of this stuff.
	Last week, the Biden administration announced $250 million for a dozen climate projects that focus on CO2 transport and storage.
	So wait till you see what the Trump administration is going to do with this.
	Because, look, when it comes to the global agenda, when it comes to surveillance, global ID, global digital currency to track everybody, Things about shutting down, they're all on the same page.
	They're all on the same page.
	Now, Trump will position himself as being different.
	And then he will come back in with things like stablecoin.
	I'm against CBDC.
	And then he comes back in with stablecoin in the background.
	Whereas, I'm against all this crazy environmentalism.
	And then he'll come in with Doug Burgum and Kristi Noem and the Summit Pipeline people.
	He'll come in in the background with carbon sequestration in the pipeline.
	And Musk is fully on board with that as well.
	So there's about 5,300 miles of CO2 pipeline already in the U.S., but in the next few decades, that number could grow to more than 65,000, about 12 times.
	12 times.
	It's a big growth industry, isn't it?
	So the expected growth in CO2 pipelines is tied to a nationwide push for more carbon capture and storage.
	This is even under the Democrats.
	And it's going to be that with, I think it's going to be the preferred thing for the Republicans.
	Especially because Elon Musk, as we have pointed out, he's got a $100 million prize.
	Winners are going to be announced today as well.
	Of this X Prize for carbon capture.
	He began that contest the year after this happened.
	So this happened in 2020.
	He began the contest in 2021.
	This article was written by NPR in 2023 after Biden had pushed through this massive green crony capitalism that's out there.
	NPR says, the idea of sucking up carbon dioxide generated by things like power plants, cement makers, and steel factories, because we don't want power plants, we don't want any cement, and we don't want any steel.
	So stop all that stuff, right?
	And then storing it underground before it heats the planet.
	Fossil fuel companies, big oil, such as ExxonMobil and Chevron and their congressional allies like Joe Manchin are pushing for higher tax credits for carbon capture in the climate legislation of 2022.
	So that's why NPR is on it, right?
	This is the green grift that is preferred by Republicans.
	And of course, you look at ExxonMobil, Rex Tillerson, Trump's first Secretary of State.
	When that's being floated around, I remember I was, you know, I knew that Alex was in touch with Trump and so forth.
	But I wanted, you know, Roger Stone and things like that.
	So I saw this stuff about Rex Tillerson.
	I tweeted out, you know, hey, look at this.
	I look at this guy.
	He is thoroughly into all the climate stuff.
	This is a guy who brought homosexuality into the Boy Scouts when he was there.
	I said, do you know who this guy is?
	I tweeted that at Alex, and I tweeted that at Trump.
	I put a reference them on that.
	And I get this message from Alex.
	I'm on vacation, and I happen to see that.
	You know, why are you tweeting that stuff at me?
	You know, stop doing it.
	You know, and all this kind of stuff.
	I'm like, oh, okay, well.
	I understand.
	You don't want to criticize Trump no matter what he does.
	I get it.
	Okay. Well, you know, Trump is fooling people.
	Make them think that he's on their side.
	He's always been with big climate, just like he's always been with big pharma.
	He gets people out there like RFK Jr.
	Oh, look, RFK Jr. is going to make America healthy again.
	He's going to oppose the vaccines.
	He's going to oppose autism and everything.
	And then you get this, right?
	This is an individual tragedy as well.
	Autism destroys families.
	Yeah, it does.
	More importantly, it destroys our greatest resource, which are children.
	Yeah. These are children who should not be suffering like this.
	But I can't talk about it.
	These are kids who, many of them were fully functional and regressed because of some environmental exposure.
	Some environmental exposure.
	Oh, okay.
	It was not vaccines.
	It's something in the environment.
	We're going to have to take a look at it.
	So this is the misdirection.
	The red herrings, the limited hangouts, you name it.
	Just flat-out lies that these people operate under.
	And so Trump has always been there with big pharma.
	He's always been there with big climate.
	And people think that he's going to fight this stuff.
	Now, the government is on the verge of pouring over $10 billion into this technology.
	Not a quarter of a billion, but $10 billion.
	Through a combination of grants and loans with billions more, available through tax credits.
	Pipelines are needed because when companies suck up carbon dioxide, they often can't store it where they capture it.
	So they use pipelines to send it to underground locations with the right geology for storage, which can be states away.
	The problem is that when you run these pipelines through certain geologies, it causes them to rupture, but we won't talk about that.
	Do we want to capture carbon dioxide and store it?
	If you do, we're going to need pipelines, says Jenkins, who is an engineering guy making money off of this stuff.
	Well, guess what?
	I don't want to capture carbon dioxide.
	It's natural.
	It needs to be out there.
	I don't want to capture.
	So, yeah, I don't need the pipelines because I don't need your lies.
	I don't need this lie, this narrative, this fear-mongering.
	People in the South and Midwest, Face the prospect of new pipelines in the communities, and they see what happened in this town of Sitartasha, I guess is the name of that town, as a potential warning.
	The rupture occurred at 7.06 p.m.
	It spewed CO2 for about four hours.
	This is in Mississippi.
	The 9-11 center there in the county was flooded with emergency calls.
	The Climate Investigations Center obtained recordings of the 9-11 calls and shared them with NPR.
	In one 9-11 call, a mother pleaded for help because her daughter couldn't breathe, her hacking audible in the background.
	Another 911 caller, stranded on the highway, described what was happening to her friend.
	She said she's laying on the ground and shaking.
	She's kind of drooling out of her mouth.
	I don't know if she's having a seizure or not.
	Can you send somebody quickly?
	Humans always breathe some carbon dioxide, but too much causes a thirst for oxygen, disorientation, heart malfunction, and can lead to death by asphyxiation.
	It can replace the oxygen.
	That's why the car engines are not working or the people are collapsing.
	So the use of carbon dioxide to kill pigs and abattoirs is now under scrutiny over whether it complies with federal laws on humane slaughter.
	So, um...
	So, is it a humane way to kill people?
	We'll have to see what they decide, right?
	Carbon dioxide and open air can disperse, but potent clouds of CO2 can sometimes hang in the air for hours.
	For hours.
	After these guys concentrated.
	Quickly became clear the cloud of carbon dioxide was hampering emergency response.
	Combustion engines need oxygen to work.
	Many cars stopped running, especially the emergency cars.
	A caller on the highway said, I don't know what's going on.
	My car stopped.
	It won't move.
	We just got out of the car and started walking.
	A fire coordinator, Jerry Briggs, was searching the area and utility terrain vehicle when he and his team found the three men that we're talking about passed out on the car.
	And so they didn't know what was happening.
	They were all unconscious and had been unconscious for quite some time.
	The good news is that they survived, but they...
	We're still struggling to breathe.
	They had to go back to the hospital.
	They lived with oxygen tanks for several months.
	One of the guys says his mind is still very foggy because if you deprive oxygen, it can damage your brain.
	He said he's unable to work.
	So he used to do construction work and everything.
	Now he's too unstable.
	His hands shake.
	He has difficulty concentrating.
	And he has muscle tremors as a result of all of this.
	Fortunately, he did not die.
	Federal regulators who investigated found that pipeline operator, Denbury Incorporated, violated several regulations that night, including emergency response.
	The company's CO2 Operations Center detected a pressure loss, immediately triggering our emergency response protocol.
	They said there was no injuries to local residents.
	Our employees, our contractors reported an association with the leak.
	It didn't happen.
	It didn't happen.
	Just like the pharmaceutical companies.
	Nobody was harmed.
	Hey, if somebody gets harmed, it's rare, right?
	Emergency responders said that the company never alerted them.
	I never heard from them, said the county emergency director.
	Nobody contacted us to let us know what was happening with it.
	The Director of Regulatory Affairs for Summit Carbon Solutions, the big pipeline that's allied with Kristi Noem, Doug Burgum, Donald Trump, that is constructing CO2 pipelines across the Midwest, said the incident speaks to problems with the pipeline operators.
	It's not a problem of the industry.
	It's that particular pipeline operator.
	But the fireman who rescued those men from that car says when people in the industry say pipelines are safe, he gets frustrated.
	Need to understand the risks of CO2 poisoning.
	He said it happened.
	I am living proof to tell you that it happened.
	Maybe it hasn't happened before this event, but it did happen.
	People were hurt.
	People didn't know the pipeline was here.
	Something needs to change.
	They didn't even know it was there.
	And so they're planning on one particular company that works for ExxonMobil.
	Said that about 70% of the CO2 they're going to move is going to be gas.
	The rest of it is going to be liquefied CO2.
	While CO2 in its supercritical liquid state is regulated by federal government, the gaseous state in other states is currently unregulated.
	It is odorless, just like natural gas.
	Unlike natural gas, they don't add any odorant to it so that you can tell that it's leaking.
	I don't know.
	Is CO2 not dangerous?
	It's not dangerous unless you concentrate.
	Anything can become dangerous and can kill you in the proper, if it's concentrated enough.
	You know, just like when we talk about fluoridation.
	And I always talk about that contest where they had radio contests.
	It was a joke having people drink water, not letting them go to the bathroom and so forth.
	And the woman who was participating, who was the smallest individual, she's drinking the same amount as other people.
	She died just from having too much water.
	So, anything can kill you in excess.
	And what they're doing with this CO2 is concentrated.
	But it's also concentrated corruption, concentrated cash, and that's why this is happening.
	So, on their side, on NPR, the reason they're covering this, a Democrat says, well, okay, we can handle the safety issue, we think.
	But what's really the problem, says U.S. Representative Jared Huffman from California, Democrat, So we really have to be concerned about this from a climate perspective as well.
	This entire strategy is being represented as a climate solution when most of the time it's really not.
	Most of the time it's just really part of the climate problem.
	Because it's allowing these oil companies that produce essential fuel to have an indulgence and to be allowed to continue to operate.
	Is this a good way to spend money to reduce emissions?
	Do we need to reduce emissions of CO2?
	That's the question that needs to be asked.
	Huffman, the congressman from the Democrat from California, worries that many CO2 pipelines and carbon capture projects will end up extending the life of fossil fuel operations.
	This CO2 pipeline scheme is their lifetime.
	Lifeline, rather, he says.
	So we've got to get an indulgence.
	And if you don't want to have something like this...
	Just understand that the government, this massive grift of giant corporations and big government are going to just keep coming and coming.
	This is another part of another promotional video for this John Burr Society.
	Stand your ground.
	When we had the meeting with the rep from Summit, he said to us, either you cooperate with us now, or when we get eminent domain, we'll put the pipeline wherever we want on your land.
	They're coming for you and your land.
	Trump's friends.
	A man lederman with Summit came up to me, and he said, I'm going to tell you one thing, Suzanne.
	If you plan on putting the depth deeper than four feet, we will sue you, we will sue the rest of the commission, and we will sue your county.
	They will stop at nothing to get it.
	Hey, we don't want it down deep.
	Someone comes into our commissioner's chambers.
	They've been rude.
	They've been pushy.
	They've lied to us.
	Don't give them what they want.
	The whole approach has been to intimidate people.
	Stand your ground against the CO2 pipeline.
	Again, that's going to be today from the John Burt Society.
	You can see that at standyourground.watch.
	Standyourground.watch.
	That's an unusual extension.
	.watch instead of.com.
	But yeah, you'll be able to find it there.
	So let's talk a little bit about Elon Musk and the XPRIZE.
	The X-Files.
	Well, we're going to do that when we come back.
	I'm going to take a quick break and we will be right back.
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	Well, let's talk a little bit about what Elon Musk is going to be doing, presumably today.
	This contest has been running for four years, and today is supposed to be the day that they announce the winners in this $100 million contest that Elon Musk is doing.
	I don't know.
	Does he get the intellectual property rights for this after these people have done it?
	He's talking about how, well, you know, the idea is great, but, you know, it's putting it, scaling it up and getting it to where that's where all the real work and capital has to go into it and everything.
	So, you know, maybe you pay them off for their idea and he'll own it and then he'll develop it with government subsidies because there's not any green grift out there that Elon Musk doesn't have his doge fingers on.
	Give me a break.
	He's going to look at government waste and everything, and yet the man who became the world's richest man in history, the richest man in history, becoming rich off of this green nonsense, he's not going to take a look at these types of things.
	So, breakthroughs that benefit humanity.
	That's what the Musk Foundation is about.
	You're going to wind up seeing this everywhere, just like the Gates Foundation.
	And so, in celebration of Earth Day, They kicked this thing off back in 2021.
	And then this is an article that was written one year after.
	And they had 15 milestone winning teams one year later had been awarded $1 million to recognize their efforts to date and to support their continued work to scale solutions.
	The overall winners will be awarded $80 million in 2025 today.
	So, this is the X Prize, is what Elon Musk said four years ago, was to fight climate change and rebalance the Earth's carbon cycle.
	This $100 million competition, funded by Elon Musk and the Musk Foundation, is the largest incentive prize in history.
	and the XPRIZE Carbon Removal Teams represent the largest collection of innovators working on carbon removal.
	I mean, our goal is, like, basically to do something that, you know, to...
	Have it be sort of interesting, fun, and ultimately useful, and to spur creative ideas for what is actually the smartest way to take the trillions of tons of carbon that we've removed from the ground, and will remove from the ground, from deep,
	deep underground, and we've placed that carbon in the atmosphere and oceans, which obviously changes the chemical constituency of the surface of the Earth.
	And since we know that long-term We're going to have to have renewable energy anyway.
	What utter nonsense.
	0.04%.
	Because we'll run out of oil and gas.
	It's not going to last forever.
	Yeah, it will.
	So we know where this ends up.
	It has to end up with renewable, sustainable energy.
	It's tautological.
	It's really just the question of, do we try to get there sooner or later?
	And we should try to get there sooner.
	It's obvious.
	How long do you want to run this experiment?
	Tomorrow we've got our third astronaut launch.
	Before we dive into the carbon removal rules and so forth.
	I mean, it's obviously a bit of a dichotomy, because our rockets do produce carbon.
	True. What a hypocrite.
	He's obviously just in for the money.
	Oh yeah, you are.
	Let's talk about the crew too.
	I think I should address this.
	Roger being a hypocrite by launching rockets that produce carbon.
	The problem is, right now, there's really no way to get around the physics of a rocket.
	I think it's important for the long-term preservation and ultimately the expansion and extension of the scope and scale of consciousness and the long-term probably survival of humanity and life as we know it.
	We must become a multi-planet species.
	A multi-planet species.
	Well, see, rockets are necessary.
	And so he gets a pass on that.
	Just like the private jets are necessary for all the...
	Captains of industry and the big politicians to fly around.
	They've got to take private jets so they can talk about how they're going to take stuff from us, right?
	And you heard the lies there about renewables.
	Well, you know, we've only got so much oil on the ground.
	Sooner or later, there won't be none around.
	That was what they were saying with the oil crisis.
	That was a song from Tower of Power.
	But they're not interested like they were You know, 55 years ago, they said, well, alternate sources of power must be found because there's only so much oil on the ground.
	No, they don't want you to have power.
	And they want to pull CO2 out and put it in the ground and leave the oil in the ground.
	This whole thing about peak oil was invented by the CIA.
	It's a CIA invention.
	It's a lie.
	It's gaslighting.
	And I've shown many times the Time and Newsweek stuff, the oil crisis that happened in 1979.
	They're both putting out stuff.
	We're going to be out of oil and natural gas by the mid-1980s, they said.
	Well, here we are 40 years later, and there's even more of it.
	I don't think that it's coming from dinosaurs.
	See, all of this stuff, you know, even Sinclair Oil used to have the dinosaur.
	I remember 1964 World's Fair.
	It had all the dinosaur stuff and everything.
	All the oil comes from dinosaurs.
	It's a limited supply.
	And you're going to have to pay us a lot to get that, right?
	No, it's not.
	No, it's not.
	It's probably just something that is coming from organic material as it decays and gets recycled.
	Whatever. There's vast amounts of it.
	We've got more of it today than we did 40 years ago.
	And so all this stuff about peak oil, that's a lie from the CIA.
	And they laid that out there.
	First of all, it's limited.
	We're going to run out of it in no time at all.
	Peak oil, all the rest of this stuff.
	Then they started talking about, well, what's renewable?
	Oh, well, renewables are wind and sun and all the rest of this stuff.
	It was all just a game.
	It was all just semantics.
	So, that was one year after the contest.
	That was as the contest was kicking off then, right?
	This article was written one year afterwards.
	They said the competition now completely resets before the remaining $80 million prize purse is awarded in 2025, today.
	But they had more to say about the prize, Elon Musk, instead of the guy who I think is with the Musk Foundation.
	So, Elon, this is the largest prize ever, ever?
	Largest incentive prize ever, and I would argue for one of the most largest civilization-scale challenges we have.
	Sure. And we can get into the rules in a second so that folks who are looking at creating teams can understand why we created those rules.
	But why did you fund this?
	Let's start with the why there.
	It's amazing to see how he's shifted, isn't it?
	I wanted to spur ideas and thinking about the long-term need to capture carbon.
	I think this is one of those things that's going to take a while to figure out what the right solution is.
	Especially to figure out what the best economics are for CO2 removal.
	Think through all the consequences.
	You don't want the cure to be worse than the disease.
	Yeah, it's definitely worse.
	There is no disease.
	I'm like, that's not so easy.
	It's like there's no COVID pandemic.
	Sure, exactly.
	And then you've got to like, okay, well, you need to get fertilizer.
	You're going to water them.
	Where's the water going to come from?
	What habitat are you potentially destroying where the trees used to be?
	Trees are no solution.
	Gotta pay me.
	So we'll talk about the prize amounts and so forth.
	They've got to actually build something that works and demonstrate something that can extract a thousand tons per year, a kiloton of carbon per year as a demo scale model.
	And the hardest thing is that the winning team has to...
	We've proved to our judges that their approach can actually scale to a gigaton level.
	Otherwise, it's not going to be useful.
	Exactly. It can't be niche.
	It can't be inherently niche.
	So let's talk about the prizes that are up for grabs.
	First place is going to be 50 million, which is significant.
	Our hope is that it's going to attract enough cognitive surplus out there to focus in on this.
	$30 million split between sort of a second, third, and fourth place.
	I wonder what that Musk Foundation guy, I wonder what he thinks of his boss today.
	You know, that was three years ago.
	You know, he was all about, oh, this is civilizational type of stuff.
	We've got to save the world and all the rest of the stuff.
	What does he think?
	I mean, does he really believe all that stuff anyway?
	Is he really that dense?
	Or is he just doing it for the money?
	If he's doing it for the money, he's fine with his boss, Elon Musk.
	But this is one of the reasons why these people are so upset with Elon Musk.
	Part of it is the Trump thing, but another part of it is that hell hath no fury like a climate alarmist who's been scorned.
	These people, they see Elon Musk as not only a...
	A betrayer to them politically.
	He was on their side.
	He was a hardcore leftist Democrat just a couple of years ago.
	Now he suddenly switched side scenes on the side of Trump, a man that they hate.
	But he has betrayed them over something that these true believers think is really going to kill everybody on the planet.
	And they don't realize that the people they've been following, the people who created this fake narrative, want to kill most of the people on the planet.
	And they've chosen the Green New Deal to do it.
	So, to win the grand prize that's going to be announced today, the teams had to demonstrate a working solution at scale of at least 1,000 tons removed per year.
	They had to model their costs on a scale of 1 million tons per year and then show a pathway to achieve a scale of a gigatons per year.
	And I have no idea how much that is.
	I just gotta remind you that there's not that much CO2 out there in the atmosphere.
	Is it gonna turn Earth into Mars?
	You know, this dead, lifeless planet where the plants can't grow because they don't have any CO2?
	The Musk Foundation creates grants that are made in support of renewable energy research and advocacy.
	Grants about human space exploration and research.
	Grants about pediatric research and safe artificial intelligence to benefit humanity.
	Well, again, he's not going to look carefully at the rockets.
	The rockets go up, the rockets come down.
	It's not my concern.
	I'm here to get rich.
	But anyway.
	War, private jets, none of that stuff is going to be of any concern to Musk and his grifting cronies.
	On Rumble, Soylent Goy says, yeah, the peak oil BS argument again, yeah?
	And that was just a couple years ago.
	Elon Musk still making that.
	Oh, we've got to have something different because there just isn't any oil around.
	On Rumble, Dougalug, thank you very much for the tip.
	He says, thank you, David and crew.
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	Yes, please do.
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	We've made it a little bit easier to find us.
	That is a little bit out of debt.
	That should be at three-eighths, but we are still really low.
	We're coming in towards the end of the month, and the gas gauge is, I don't know, we got hit with a CO2 cloud or something?
	I don't know, it just kind of sucked all the oxygen out of the support.
	I guess maybe moving to the kick or something has sucked the oxygen out of there.
	As we go to break, I'll just show you this.
	One person said, so where was Greta when the U.S. blew up those pipelines and released a massive amount?
	Now, that was natural gas.
	But, you know, all gas is bad, isn't it?
	Yeah, so, you know, we had this massive release of all of this stuff, and that's not a problem.
	Not a problem when it's war.
	It's not a problem when we have military jets and tanks that get gallons per mile.
	When we blow things up, set the planet on fire, that's not a problem.
	No, it's only a problem if you're using it for your car.
	That's when it really is a problem.
	Well, we're going to take a quick break, and we'll be right back.
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	Well, we have the climate is actually going to the dogs, or I should say the climate alarmists are going to the dogs and going to the pets.
	They will not leave anything alone.
	And it's kind of interesting that just in the last week, it was at the end of the week last week, we had the story about that toddler who got lost in the wilderness there in Arizona.
	Led to safety by a rancher's dog, an Anatolian Pyrenees.
	I don't know if that's different from the Great Pyrenees.
	I've always known that breed as the Great Pyrenees.
	Fantastic dogs.
	I had somebody, a listener, who offered to give me one.
	I'd really appreciate it, but we're full up with dogs right now.
	We've got four of them.
	And that's a big dog.
	And all the other dogs are in the house.
	But anyway, they're great for protecting livestock and also for protecting two-year-old toddlers who get lost in the woods, evidently.
	They escorted this child seven miles through mountain lion territory to safety, according to the people who were there, the rescue workers.
	It was about 100 miles south of the Grand Canyon National Park.
	About 5 p.m.
	Monday, they realized the child was missing in a blue tank top and pajama bottoms.
	So they had more than 40 rescuers that were out there looking for him, but it's okay.
	The dog had it under control.
	16 hours after he went missing, rancher Scotty Dunton found him on his land seven miles away.
	The boy was safe and well and had apparently been led to his property by the rancher's dog, Buford.
	That's a great name for a, he looks like he's getting kind of old there as well.
	But yeah, Buford is a very calm, collected, in charge, based, grounded, you name it.
	Great name for a great dog like that.
	I got in my truck to go down to town.
	I saw Buford walking down the side of the fence with a little blonde kid with him, he said.
	I'd heard about the missing child this morning, so I knew it was him.
	Dutton asked the boy if he had walked all night.
	He answered, no.
	I laid up under a tree.
	The bee farmer said the boy was in good shape but upset.
	The rancher traced the boy's steps, found the dog could have scored him for at least a mile, said Buford.
	Normally patrols his land and wards off coyotes.
	He went through some rough country.
	It's all mountains and canyons and boulder piles, and it's rough for adults, let alone for two-year-old kids.
	He did a remarkable job to go seven miles like he did, he said.
	Of the dog, he said he loves kids.
	I imagine he wouldn't leave him once he had found him.
	Well, that's what we love about dogs, isn't it?
	But you won't believe who the climate change nutjobs are targeting now.
	That's right.
	They've got a new villain in their sights, and that is dogs.
	Dogs, cats, you name it, right?
	Well, what do you expect from the people who hate humans anyway?
	Dogs have extensive...
	Multifarious environmental impacts, according to them.
	Excuse me.
	Multifarious. Multifarious.
	Not just nefarious, but multi-nefarious stuff, right?
	They disturb wildlife.
	They keep lions from eating children.
	Mountain lions.
	Polluting waterways.
	Do you realize that your dog is polluting waterways?
	And they've got a picture of a dog who is Polluting the tree there with some waterways.
	And contributing to random emissions.
	I'm sorry, not random, carbon emissions.
	There you go.
	Well, you know, let's just put them on the list.
	We've already got cows and cars and chickens.
	Now let's add, let's go to the D's, okay?
	You can also put the cats in there before you leave the C's.
	So we got all the C's, and now let's go to D for dog.
	We can get rid of them as well.
	But then on the other side of this, The mainstream media, like Reuters, will also warn people that climate change is going to kill the dogs.
	So some groups want to get rid of the dogs.
	Others are saying climate change is going to get rid of the dogs.
	So we've got to get rid of climate change to save the dogs.
	So it depends.
	The message is malleable, depending on which dupes you're talking to.
	So they said, during a flood, a dog may become separated from its owner.
	Because you're going to have floods because of climate change, right?
	All the polarized caps are melting.
	The seas are rising.
	Oh, none of that is happening.
	None of that is happening.
	They were all supposed to have been melted decades ago.
	Anyway, according to their failed predictions.
	So your dog in a flood might become separated or might get trapped.
	Inside rising waters, or in the wildfires, floods and fires, everything, every calamity is based on CO2.
	So, you know, this is that side of it.
	Or, maybe they won't die in floods and fires.
	Maybe they'll just die from the excessive heat.
	Dogs could be among the first victims of climate change.
	Excessive panting, drooling, and lethargy from increased risk of heat stress.
	Yeah, that's a growing concern.
	As the planet warms, dogs face an increased risk of heat stress, which can have dire consequences for their health.
	Unlike humans, dogs do not have sweat glands all over their bodies.
	They primarily cool themselves through panting.
	Have you seen any dogs dropping dead from...
	Heat exhaustion?
	No. I haven't seen the birds dropping out of the air either.
	The wild birds.
	I haven't seen massive kills in that.
	The only kills that are happening are the U.S. government, not the Mexican government, not the Canadian government, not the governments anywhere else, just the U.S. government killing tens of millions of chickens.
	But this is from the Independent in the U.K. Global warming might be causing dogs to become depressed.
	Says pet behaviorists.
	So there's another thing to worry about.
	They could be getting too hot.
	They could be getting too depressed.
	They might drown in the ensuing floods, or they might burn to death in the fires coming from climate change.
	Or maybe they themselves are the problem.
	And I guess they deserve all that, right?
	Throw a dog a bean.
	How to reduce the carbon footprint of your pet.
	This is coming from the deranged...
	Climate nuts at The Guardian in the UK.
	Did you hear the one about the luxury aviation CEO who claims that pets cause as much carbon pollution as private jets?
	There you go.
	That's their defense.
	Yeah, but pets.
	Yeah, don't take away my private jets.
	Or Elon Musk's rockets.
	Because, you know, it's the pets that are really destroying the planet.
	That's what the Lux Aviation Chief Executive Patrick Hansen told people in Monaco.
	Monaco. Yeah, you know those peasants with their cats and dogs.
	We need to take those things away from them as well.
	They can have virtual pets.
	They can get online and they can have virtual pets.
	So they said the average size dog produces 770 kilograms of CO2 emissions per year.
	I'm so sick and tired of hearing about this quantity of quote-unquote carbon and how it has to be sequestered.
	You understand, it's where these people are now.
	One of the company's customers produces about 2.1 tons of CO2 a year with a private jet.
	They say that's the equivalent of owning three dogs.
	See? We could have had a private jet, Travis.
	How did we go wrong?
	I guess we'll have to downsize.
	Get rid of three and just keep one, huh?
	Yeah, that's right.
	So, throw the dogs a bean, as omnivorous dogs can enjoy the equivalent of two or three vegetarian meals per week.
	Wait a minute.
	If you give them beans...
	Isn't that going to cause another kind of CO2 problem?
	Yeah, the environmental impact of pets working towards sustainable pet ownership.
	Constantly hectoring us about that.
	Raising a pet doesn't have to be environmentally harrowing for the planet, but, you know, don't have any cows, cats, chickens, children, or dogs.
	Just, you know, stay on the computer.
	Listen to the news and they'll tell you what to panic about.
	Well, we're going to take a quick break.
	We'll be right back.
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	Well, Trump tweeted out on Easter.
	He said, the golden rule of negotiating and success is that he who has the gold makes the rules.
	Thank you, he said.
	I guess he who has the fiat currency issues the fiat orders.
	That's not really what fiat is.
	It's just you do what I say.
	It's a dictatorship thing here.
	But I wonder who has the gold.
	And I wonder why Trump is trying to kill the goose that laid the golden egg in so many different ways.
	Yeah, he who had the golden rule of negotiating is whoever has the gold makes the rules.
	Well, it seems like his fiat orders are not doing too well for the markets.
	And a sign that investors are rotating investments away from the U.S. dollar.
	Deutsche Bank said that Chinese clients have reduced some of their treasury holdings in favor of European debt.
	European high-quality bonds, Japanese government bonds, and gold are the potential choices for investors as alternatives to treasuries.
	Because Biden and then Trump have weaponized the fiat currency, and people are having reservations about the reserve status of the dollar.
	Justly so.
	The hedge funds are selling the dollar against virtually any currencies.
	After National Economic Council Director Kevin Hassett said on Friday that Trump is still exploring ways to remove Fed Chair Jerome Powell.
	Hassett then suggested that the Fed under Powell that was appointed by Trump during his first term had acted politically in order to benefit Democrats.
	Did you realize?
	The Federal Reserve is political?
	No, really?
	Who would have thought that their manipulation of financial markets would be at all political?
	The policy, he said, of this Federal Reserve was to raise rates the minute Trump was elected last time.
	To say that the supply-side tax cuts that were going to be inflationary, Hassett said, Fed officials opted not to go on TV and at IMF meetings.
	And warn about terrible inflation from the obvious runaway spending from Joe Biden.
	Then they cut rates right ahead of the election.
	Well, he's right.
	They did all that stuff.
	It is blatant political manipulation.
	All of it is.
	All the economic policies coming out of Washington.
	So stocks tumbled yesterday.
	Dollar hit three-year low as Trump bashed Powell again.
	The Dow fell 972 points, about 2.5%.
	The broader S&P 500 fell 2.36%.
	The tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite slid 2.55%.
	The three major indices slumped throughout the day before pulling back slightly in the afternoon.
	The sell-off on Monday was widespread as nearly every company in the Dow and the S&P 500 closed lower.
	All three major indices are coming off of a week in the red and are on pace for their worst month since 2022.
	So when stocks slump, investors are usually seeking out a safe haven in the U.S. government bonds and the dollars, but not this time.
	Investors are selling the dollar while other safe havens like gold are soaring.
	The dollar has broadly weathered this year.
	Potential signs of waning confidence in the U.S. The test case of U.S.-Japan negotiations failed to reach a deal on trade and tariffs late last week.
	So that's what they're watching.
	This is a guy with a global FX strategist at McElroy.
	And what he's saying is that they were looking to see if the U.S. could come to an agreement with Japan.
	No agreement happened.
	So that bodes ill for other countries, especially China, which Trump has a great deal more animosity towards.
	If he can't reach an agreement with Japan, then what's going to happen?
	That suggests a period of bilateral negotiations that'll last into July, at least, casts doubt about the willingness of the U.S. and its allies to make bilateral concessions easily.
	So the sell-America trade is crushing the markets.
	And Trump is now butting heads with the Federal Reserve as he's buttheads with everybody else that comes anywhere around him.
	And now this is a new thing.
	This is a new tactic from the Trump administration.
	Deciding that they're going to start charging Chinese-made supertankers.
	Now, it's not necessarily supertankers that are bringing stuff from China, but it's Chinese-made supertankers.
	Pulls into a U.S. port in order to buy oil.
	And by the way, China does buy a great deal of oil from the United States, about 10 million barrels per day.
	10 million barrels per day.
	And at about $70 a barrel, we're talking about $700 million of oil per day that the Chinese have been buying.
	Well, I guess we don't want them to buy anything from us.
	Because if they show up with a Chinese-made ship to buy oil from us, then Trump is going to hit them with a $5.2 million fee.
	I mean, for that, they could get a gold card and become American, right?
	That's what they should do.
	Instead of $5.2 million, I'm going to give you $5 million, and I want my ship to be made an American citizen.
	Can I do that?
	And with all rights, and of course, you know, with that $5 million gold card, you don't have to pay taxes on any income that you make outside the United States.
	It's a better deal than being a U.S. citizen.
	So, I don't know.
	Maybe they could get a gold card for these super tankers.
	But this is the crush everything immediately.
	Do it now, because I said so, type of approach.
	We're going to have a lockdown.
	And we're not going to have any transitional period here.
	This is what impatient, petulant dictators do.
	And that's what we have right now.
	The U.S. is introducing fees on Chinese-built vessels that come to U.S. ports.
	These fees could reach up to $5.2 million per large supertanker.
	And so, just go away.
	Buy your oil from somebody else.
	We don't need your money here.
	This is the way a...
	The casino operator who bankrupted his casinos is going to run the country.
	The previous proposal was a per-port entry fee of up to $1.5 million on Chinese-built vessels and up to $1 million per port entry fee on any vessel for operators that have any Chinese-built vessels in their fleet at all.
	So maybe this particular vessel you bought from America, but you've got some Chinese vessels in your fleet.
	So you're still going to get the charge.
	And now they're not talking about a million dollars.
	They're talking about $5.2 million.
	The U.S. Trade Representative, Jamie Greer, said ships and shipping are vital to American economic security and the flee-fro of commerce.
	Therefore, we have to shut that down.
	How did they come up with these non-sequiturs, right?
	Yeah, shipping and commerce and all the rest is vital.
	And so, you know, it's got to be U.S. ships or nothing.
	Okay, well, it'll be nothing then for a while.
	How do we dig ourselves out of this hole that he's going to throw us into?
	And for the smaller people, he's not even going to give you a shovel.
	The Trump administration's actions will begin to reverse Chinese dominance and address threats to U.S. supply chain and send a demand signal for U.S.-built ships.
	How long is that going to take?
	Are they just going to make some later this afternoon?
	Well, in the meantime, we're going to shut down any shipping to the U.S. And so, you know, until these people get themselves together and they start making more American ships.
	What idiotic stuff.
	Again, it's just like Biden.
	I want you to stop driving gasoline cars right now.
	And you go out and get EVs.
	I don't care how much they cost, and I don't care whether they've got range or they've got other issues.
	You go buy an electric car.
	You're not going to be driving a regular car.
	Well, it's the same kind of nonsense that is happening.
	Oil traders are booking vessels, seeking some that are not built in China, trying to comply with all this insanity.
	That was Bloomberg earlier this month.
	Video about the Trump merchandise being made in China.
	He said that was a bootleg video.
	He said that they have American manufacturers of the official merchandise.
	But, of course, that's part of the China price, isn't it?
	And I've talked about this many times as well.
	Intellectual property theft.
	I know, I know.
	It's hard to think of Trump merchandise as intellectual property.
	Strictly in the legal sense, okay, is intellectual property theft.
	That's a key part of the Chinese thing, making exact copies of what other people have and selling it as authentic merchandise.
	But officially, the official Trump stuff, I guess the sneakers as well, I guess they probably found, does it find anybody that still makes the gold sneakers in America?
	Are they having to get those from Vietnam as well?
	I don't know.
	Anyway, so what American hardline retailers are saying about tariff fallout, what do they mean by hardline retailers?
	I mean big ones like BJ's and Walmart and Target and Dix and Dollar General and so forth.
	And it's kind of interesting to see how some of them think this is going to shake out.
	BJ's is telling their investors that they really don't stock a lot of general merchandise like that.
	Put the stuff in our stores, it's kind of like a treasure hunt mode.
	We're out there looking for something right now, and we're looking for a particular deal.
	So we don't think it's going to affect us that much.
	Dick's, on the other hand, is saying that it's going to be good for them because they've been really high on inventory, meaning that their sales have been down.
	I wonder why that is.
	Is it because of Dick's Sporting Goods advocacy for gun control that offended so many sportsmen?
	So now it's a feature.
	We've got high inventory.
	We're unable to sell stuff.
	But now we're going to be able to sell it at the existing price and it'll look like a sale price?
	I don't know.
	Then you've got Target, for example.
	They said, well, we're going to have to raise prices.
	And we're starting to do that right now.
	So the dollar has nosedived into a three-year low with all the tariff stuff.
	As a matter of fact, it goes no bid, said Zero Hedge.
	Five things to know about Bitcoin this week, said Cointelegraph.
	Bitcoin is seeking a change in trend as the U.S. trade war fuels gold records but punishes stocks and the dollars.
	So the Bitcoin people are saying, so is that going to punish us as well?
	So far, Bitcoin has not done very well.
	Bitcoin has not been viewed as a safe haven.
	But gold has.
	And gold has been viewed as a safe haven not just by individuals, but especially by central banks who are not out there collecting Bitcoin.
	Bitcoin is on its way up, they said, nearing 88,000.
	Took a big dive from the, what was it, 106,000, 109,000 or something that it got up to as part of the Trump euphoria.
	Again. Tony and I were talking about that.
	Tony Hardeman of Wise Wolf Gold.
	We're talking about that when everybody, oh, Trump's been elected.
	That's great for crypto.
	That's great for Bitcoin.
	He's going to do a Bitcoin reserve.
	And then people saw, well, wait a minute.
	Trump is just into this as a family grift.
	The Bitcoin reserve, he's not even talking about Bitcoin.
	He's talking about some of these closely held small currencies that are really about They're not even currencies that have been held as an asset.
	They're really about facilitating exchanges, things like Ripple and SOL and things like that.
	And so all of those things combined, along then with Trump's economic chaos, has driven everybody to gold that is shattering all-time highs again.
	The Bitcoin people are hoping that Bitcoin is going to start reacting to it.
	On the financial horizon, of course, the thing that people are looking at and saying this looks like this might take off is going to be stablecoins.
	As I said, this is going to be the backdoor to a global digital currency.
	And this is what the Trump administration wants.
	That's why you've got people like Howard Lutnik in there, or Lutnik, I can't remember which one it is.
	How do you pronounce his name?
	But, you know, he's the king of stablecoins, of Tether and things like that.
	He buys treasury bills and everything.
	Stablecoin not only is going to push people toward crypto, and it'll have all of the capabilities that they want from a digital currency, full-on surveillance, being able to block people from having transactions that they want.
	But right now, they're talking about farmers getting the stablecoins.
	Why would farmers do that?
	Well, what they're saying is that If they want to sell into some of the markets, developing markets, where they are desperate for food, like Africa, for example, they said the financial system in Africa is in shambles.
	It's undeveloped.
	There's inefficiencies.
	And so they said there's really high transaction costs if you want to sell food to Africa that desperately needs it.
	There's really high transaction costs.
	There's delayed cross-border payments.
	Very high interest rates for loans.
	Large corporations can navigate this without a problem.
	But that's not the case for small farmers.
	So if the small farmers start accepting payment in stablecoin, not only do they get their money back in just a matter of minutes and save a lot of fees, instead of having to wait sometimes for weeks or months to get their money from these places,
	they get it right away.
	With Africa's food and agriculture market predicted to be valued at a trillion dollars by 2030, stablecoins stand to be much more than simply another financial trend for the industry.
	Again, you know, they can get their money right away in just minutes rather than in weeks or months.
	Stablecoins mean that farmers and traders can bypass banking inefficiencies.
	They can get intermediaries out of the way.
	They can transact instantly with lower costs.
	And they can save between 3% to 6% per payment as well.
	So it makes a lot of sense for them individually.
	And that's the way this is going to operate.
	They're going to make it more efficient to get everybody in there.
	In the same way that when you look at social media, what did they do?
	They made it available for free for everybody.
	Everybody gets into their little walled garden and all of a sudden they shut the gate.
	That's the way this will roll.
	Well, gold went above $3,400.
	It got up to like $3,440 or something, I think, when we saw it.
	And Goldman sees gold going over 4,000 an ounce by mid-2026.
	Well, you know, we've had, in the last month, we've had three days where gold has jumped by $100 in one day.
	And setting all kinds of new all-time record highs.
	I guess when they say only $4,000, they've been conservative.
	Remember that they were talking about, well, gold should go to $3,000 an ounce back when it was in the mid to low 2000s last fall.
	It should go to $3,000 an ounce in the first quarter.
	Then they dropped that.
	When Trump got elected, they lowered that.
	Now they're back to saying $4,000 an ounce, but in 2026.
	So I'm assuming that their assumption is that Trump is going to somehow stabilize his economic actions and tariffs.
	I frankly don't see that happening.
	But somehow that maybe he stabilizes everything and everybody starts to go back to normal after the Trump chaos and disruption.
	Then gold would level off or even fall, perhaps.
	But then it would gradually start to resume as gradual increase in value as inflation is constantly and gradually eroding the purchasing power of the dollar.
	So I guess that's how they're looking at 4,000 in two years.
	Gold's recent rally up 60% since the start of 2024.
	It is small compared with the rally, though, of 1979 to 1980, which I remember.
	I remember when that happened.
	It increased at that point in time three to fourfold.
	Three to fourfold.
	That's 300-400%, right?
	So, so far it's gone up 60%.
	But in just one year, it went up three to four times back in 1979-1980.
	Similar factors are in play now, such as persistent inflation.
	And stagflation as well.
	And a reordering of the global financial system.
	So gold's potential is not limited, said Bloomberg.
	And as Tony Ardobin was saying last week, he said, yeah, we're going to start seeing some urban mining going on.
	People are going to start selling gold, jewelry, and stuff.
	Well, it's on.
	It's on now.
	Consumers are rushing to sell their jewelry as gold prices top $3,400 an ounce.
	Again, we just saw the third one-day $100 rally in the price of gold compared to the dollar.
	Customers are selling their damaged and unwanted jewelry, maybe pulling out some teeth.
	Who knows?
	I'm just amazed at all the stuff that I'm seeing in gold, and I don't know if I would have seen it at $2,700, said one.
	Literally, the writing is on the wall after somebody brought me 20 gold pens that they wanted to sell.
	Well, the central banks, however, still turning to gold and have been turning to gold for quite some time because of the fundamental restructuring of the financial system thanks to the actions of the professional wrestling team of Biden and Trump, their tag team operations.
	It's the erosion of trust.
	Trust in the dollar.
	And the times are changing.
	And the erosion of trust is because of the financial warfare, the bipartisan financial warfare of this tag team.
	So people no longer trust the U.S. dollar.
	So to sum it up, as Zero Hedge said, you know, gold is ripping higher.
	With momentum accelerating and capital flowing in as the everything hedge, that is gold, shines bright.
	As Trump put it, he who has the gold makes the rules, and right now they said gold is ruling, is writing the rules.
	Trump thinks he's writing the rules, but there is a reality that is out there.
	These people can suspend reality for only so long, you know, and then it's like a Looney Tunes cartoon where the character, you know, the...
	Wile E. Coyote runs off of the cliff, and he can run for a while until he realizes that there's nothing underneath him, and then it comes crashing down.
	On Rumble, M. Sellers, literally walking my dog right now, we're being environmentally friendly.
	There you go.
	On Rumble, Gandalf the Rogue says, should have sold out like Alex, you'd have a jet.
	That was a great interview with Dr. Jane Ruby, David.
	Thank you.
	You know, I need to do a better job of giving people links to the interviews that I've had.
	Um, on Kik.
	Angry Tiger.
	Good to see you there.
	And of course, Angry Tiger Report, Nights of the Storm.
	You can see all the different places where you can find people.
	If you go to nightsofthestorm.com, they've got like a schedule of people that are not sold out.
	People that will give you their honest opinion.
	And you can find that there at Nights of the Storm.
	This is your TV guide for live shows.
	And they've got it right there.
	Anyway, Angry Tiger.
	It says, I've been monitoring the Dixie for two months.
	It is way below.
	The support level is sinking like a lead gator.
	The fireworks industry is devastated from the tariffs.
	The ports are clogged up with all kinds of different items.
	People are canceling orders, not only in fireworks, but many different goods.
	Wow. And it's just amazing, the chaos.
	We've never seen chaos like that that was imposed on us with a lockdown.
	Not in my lifetime.
	I don't think anybody ever seen anything like that.
	And, you know, just everything.
	Locking down.
	Just like that.
	Because he said so.
	Because he paid governors to do it.
	And he's doing it again.
	You keep voting for the same people and thinking that they're going to do different things, and yet they're not.
	On Rumble, DGA, thank you for the tip.
	He says, David Allen Greenspan said, he could care less.
	About what the federal government says, the Fed doesn't listen to them.
	Trump is crashing the economy to bring in the reset while his cult applauds him.
	Dick's sells $300 Nikes that cost $10 or less to manufacture.
	Yeah, that was the interesting thing, too.
	On some of these platforms like TikTok, some of the Chinese manufacturers are trying to go direct to the customers and saying, you know, Pay $300 for that Nike plus the tariff and everything?
	Well, you know, you can get it from us direct for $10.
	We'll sell to you.
	Some of them are starting to sell that way.
	And, you know, even if you've got a 245% tariff markup on that, that's still a tiny fraction of the markup that Nike puts on there.
	On Rumble, Obermist, thank you very much.
	That is so kind and helpful.
	Thank you very much.
	It says, keep up the due diligence.
	Thank you.
	I appreciate that.
	And on Rumble, Three Little Birds says, the illegal immigrants received money on cards from Soros.
	That was the prototype testing of digital currency.
	Yeah. And it was also, you know, showing how this is their program to do all that stuff.
	They were, you know, you've got to stop that.
	It's not just the money that they get on cards from Soros, but it's also coming in.
	They put them on welfare.
	Yes, universal basic income.
	Come on in.
	We'll put you on the dole.
	Can't have enough of that.
	Well, that was Three Little Birds.
	Let's listen a little bit to 30 Birds.
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	Well, welcome back on Rumble.
	Soylent Goy said lockdown has wrecked a ton of small businesses.
	I wonder if these terrorists will do this.
	Oh, yeah.
	Oh, absolutely.
	You know, the people who have all these big government programs.
	I remember when Hillary Clinton was selling the Hillary Care thing.
	And people said, wait, you're going to destroy small businesses.
	It's going to be difficult for them to make this adjustment and all the rest of the stuff.
	They're really struggling.
	Couldn't care less about undercapitalized businessmen.
	In other words, you've got a lot of money that you can give to me.
	Can you pay to play?
	Oh, well, then fine.
	We'll listen to you.
	But if you don't have the money to bribe me, I don't really care what happens to you.
	And I remember when that happened.
	I remember the day I got fired.
	I was very emotional about my contempt for Trump and how he had destroyed small businesses with the lockdown.
	Why are people working so hard to try to keep this guy in office?
	He kicked people out of everything.
	Out of their businesses and their sweat and blood and capital they poured into this.
	Destroyed their lives with that.
	Kicked people out of schools.
	Kicked people out of churches.
	All the rest of this stuff.
	And everybody wants to keep him in the White House?
	Good riddance.
	I don't care if he goes and the other guy is going to be horrible as well.
	But yeah, it bothered me a great deal because, as I'd said, I'd had that experience when we had a storm come through.
	And it was the only time that we shut down all of our businesses.
	We had six different stores that were scattered throughout the Triangle area.
	And they were all shut down because we were out without any power for several days.
	I mean, you have a bad snowstorm, people would find a way to get to the video store.
	And I would find a way to get employees there.
	We would stay open and give them videos.
	But when nobody's got power, they can't watch any movies anyway.
	So nobody was coming in.
	We got power at one store.
	We went in.
	Karen and I operated it on our own.
	And then as everything was starting to die down about 5 or 6 o'clock, the cops came in and told us that we had to shut down.
	I said, why?
	Well, because people are going to come in here and they're going to risk getting out in the weather and all this.
	I said, so what?
	I said, and you've got Walmart across the street that's opened up.
	Are you going to shut them down?
	No, we're not going to shut down Walmart.
	I said, but you're going to shut me down, right?
	And so I understand what that is like.
	You know, big guys get to play.
	You know, they're essential, Trump said.
	But if you're mom and pop, you're not essential.
	I've had it with that kind of stuff.
	I've had it with that.
	So they said, you're going to consolidate more economic power and the mega-monopoly is buying up smaller businesses.
	That's right.
	Wall Street guys can go.
	Because they've got the money to pay to play.
	They can buy the politicians like Hillary and Trump.
	You know, because they were always at the same parties together, right?
	On Rumble, T. Norman Artis says, manufacturers stealing small companies' customers and selling direct to them contributed to the dot-com boom.
	Yeah, we'll see what happens with this.
	We really don't know where this is going to go.
	Like Gerald Slenty always says, you know, it's the, Trump is the wild card.
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	Let's take a look at what's happening with the big tech guys.
	We've got Cyborg 1.0, the world's first RoboCop, debuts with facial recognition and a 360-degree camera vision.
	This is in Thailand, an authoritarian government, if ever there was one anyway.
	So that's exactly what they need.
	They need an army of RoboCops, don't they?
	That's what we're all going to wind up getting.
	You talk about robots replacing human workers, let me tell you, this is where they're going to replace them, with the police and the military.
	This will be one of the first places they do it.
	The RoboCop is named Police Colonel Nakhanpatham, Plod Fi, they say.
	Which means, that long name, Nakhanpatham, is his name.
	That means that this robot is safe.
	It's safe.
	It reminds me of, remember the movie Marathon Man?
	I had Laurence Olivier and Dustin Hoffman.
	Laurence Olivier was this, I think he was a Nazi scientist in hiding.
	I forget most of the aspects of the thing, but he was a Nazi that was in hiding.
	And they thought that Dustin Hoffman knew something, and he didn't know it.
	They abduct him, they take him in, and they start removing and pulling his teeth and making it extremely painful.
	Lars Olivier, the Nazi, kept saying to him, is it safe?
	Is it safe?
	Is it safe?
	I don't know.
	Who is it safe?
	And he's pulling out his teeth and goes, it's not safe!
	It's not safe!
	Well, these Robocops are not safe.
	Even if they call it police colonel safe, it's not safe.
	The Robocop is able to detect your weapons, such as knives and wooden batons.
	And in neighboring China, humanoid robots have already started supporting police patrols.
	Remember when they had the video I played that for you?
	They had a ball that was going around, and I said, look at that.
	There's not any of the dystopian sci-fi stuff that they want to copy.
	I mean, it's like Rover from Patrick McGowan's The Prisoner, The Village, right?
	In The Village, they had Rover.
	These robots have been seen engaging with pedestrians.
	Waving and shaking hands and responding to voice commands.
	Right now, they're at the mode where they help little old ladies across the street, right?
	Wait until they start swatting you on the street.
	Literally, with the back of their metallic hands.
	And this thing runs on an open-source platform.
	That's kind of interesting.
	How long do you think it'll be before somebody hacks this thing and does something with it?
	It allows developers worldwide to contribute to its evolution by adding new features and capabilities through secondary development, LOL.
	I wonder what kind of new features and capabilities some hackers might add to this thing.
	Last year, again, we saw the autonomous spherical robot, the rover type of thing from the prisoner.
	This year, we hopefully will be able to make about 5,000 Optimus robots, said Elon Musk.
	I talked about that.
	I talked about the fact that the Chinese company wants to match him on that as well.
	We're technically aiming for enough parts to make 10,000, maybe 12,000, but since it's a totally new product with a totally new, like everything is totally new, I'll say that we're succeeding if we get to half and then go to the 10,000.
	Well, we'll see.
	There's a lot of big talk.
	He was telling everybody that he had a million Cybertruck orders, and we see after...
	They did a recall of every single Cybertruck, as I mentioned yesterday, that in two years they sold 50,000.
	So we'll see about that.
	The robots, I think, will be cheaper than his Cybertruck.
	Depends. Again, we don't know what it's really going to be.
	He said, but even the 5,000 robots, that's the size of a Roman legion.
	Yeah, that's what we want.
	We want Roman legions of robots marching down the street.
	How's that for a standing army?
	He said, maybe we'll have 10 legions next year.
	I think it's kind of a cool unit, you know?
	Units of legions.
	So probably 50,000-ish next year, he said.
	Well, I don't know if he's going to do that or not.
	But, of course, he's not the only one that's trying to work on that.
	And you've also got a Chinese company that is working real hard on that.
	The guy who put that company together is something of a genius based on some of his other accomplishments.
	Got a lot of venture capital funding from the Chinese communist government because of his stuff.
	So he may be able to do it.
	When you look at the figure robots, they've just, as I played for you last week, they had a scandal.
	They were claiming that they had robots in the BMW factory in South Carolina that were doing a lot of work that turns out that they weren't doing.
	So we don't know how much of this is hype.
	But unfortunately, this is where they want to go.
	And we don't know how soon they're going to get there, but this is the destination that they want to go, and we don't want to go there.
	Robots run Beijing's first half marathon, and people are worried about an upcoming robot army, because everybody can see this.
	So it's a half marathon, and you can see the robots, and they're moving kind of slow compared to the other people that are there, to the people that are there.
	One or two of them tumble over and have to be set up by their human handlers who are walking alongside them.
	So the people on social media are making jokes about the robot army, Terminator bots, and all the rest of the stuff.
	But quite frankly, it's not really funny because that is the design of the governments.
	Who are pouring all their money in.
	You know, this is the ultimate of what Eisenhower warned us about with the military-industrial complex.
	The fact that the military was going to be taking over all these different research projects and using them as weapons against us.
	And that's what they're doing.
	You know, technology is no longer our friend because technology has been taken over by the governments that are our enemies.
	Naughty AIs are spilling their users' super personal chats onto the open web.
	Now, in this particular article from Futurism, what they're talking about is some chatbot sites that are not safe for work.
	In other words, they are pornographic or something like that.
	And they said that they're leaking the explicit user's chat contents out into the open web.
	And that the contents are a bit disturbing if you see them.
	This is according to Wired Magazine, and the security firm UpGuard has revealed that its investigations focused on 400 exposed AI services, all of which were built on an open-source AI protocol.
	And so they were able to determine that 117 IP addresses connected to these poorly built services were leaking user prompts into the digital wild.
	You think that what you're saying on social media is being examined by a lot of different people?
	You think that when you're interacting with a chatbot, you think that that is not being leaked to a lot of people?
	They collected nearly a thousand leaked user chats, and again, this is a sex site, where they're interacting with what they call erotic chatbots.
	Five of these leaked chats Out of the thousand.
	Centered on child sexual abuse scenarios.
	Pedophiles. Now, is that a problem?
	I've had, I interviewed a guy, and he said, well, you know, they've got these dolls that, you know, they're like sex dolls, but they're like children.
	And he goes, you don't think there's anything wrong.
	That's not a real child.
	I said, well, what is it that you're feeding?
	You know, what is that monster inside of you that you're feeding with that?
	And how long do you have to feed that monster before that monster gets big enough to act on it?
	See, that's one of the things.
	You know, Christians always talk about that, you know.
	As Christians, we have two different natures.
	Everybody does, but most people aren't paying attention to it.
	Christians should have the discernment to pay attention to it.
	You have your human nature, which is just animalistic.
	Just do whatever feels good, whatsoever in my best advantage.
	But you also have a spiritual nature, which is what is in the image of God.
	And that is what we are trying to grow.
	That is what we're trying to feed.
	Unless you do this kind of stuff.
	And then what you're doing is you're feeding your human nature, which is predatory, which hates other people.
	Wants everything for itself and so forth.
	And when you start feeding that, you know, which of these things are going to dominate your life?
	Well, it depends on which one you're feeding and which one you're starving.
	That's why you need to pay attention to what you feed yourself in terms of what do you read, what do you watch, what do you listen to, what do you meditate on?
	Is it something that's going to feed your spiritual side or is it something that's going to feed your animal side?
	And that's what the issue is with all that stuff.
	Whether you're talking about blow-up dolls or you're talking about virtual stuff or whatever, that's the issue here.
	And now people can rationalize it and say, well, it's just virtual.
	No, I'm just talking.
	It's just virtual.
	Those images that I create, I just told it to create some images for me.
	Those are not real kids or whatever.
	That's not the issue.
	What you're doing is you're feeding a monster, and that monster is going to take over your life.
	Maybe take it over for eternity.
	So, as all this is happening, as I said before, we look at what is happening with the robots and all the rest of this, and it really is a military-industrial complex that is at the heart of all of this.
	And there was an interesting article on Exposé News that goes back to 2006-2007 when people were talking about the sentient world simulation.
	To be able to simulate the world and have avatars that are created to model different people, different groups of people, and that type of thing, and then try to model how they're going to react to what the government does.
	And of course, this is a massive part of what government does.
	As I've talked many times, you know, the Dark Winter simulation was there to war game, to simulate, A public interaction and also to train the people how they were going to do their press releases, how they're going to manipulate the public to say that there's a pandemic that you've all got to lock down until we've got an experimental vaccine that we're going to hit you with and all the rest of the stuff.
	That happened two weeks before 9-11.
	And then...
	9-11, then a week after the anthrax attack, and then two months, I'm sorry, not two weeks, I say two months before 9-11, then two months after the anthrax attack, you had the model legislation that was sent out.
	And then everybody gets to practice that and get that all put in so the hammer can drop by Trump that everybody believes is not a part of the global collective, and they all trust him because trust is the plan.
	And so anyway, that was all a simulation.
	And they ran that for a very long time.
	We look at social media.
	Same type of stuff.
	They are propagandizing you.
	They are looking at how you react to this all of the time.
	Geospatial intelligence created in the 1990s as the internet was starting to become useful.
	That was all about anticipatory intelligence, that AI, to try to predict what people are going to do.
	And that's where this falls in as well.
	The fastest growing part.
	Of the intelligence community is the geospatial intelligence.
	So the sentient world simulation, this goes back again, 2006, 2007, because they've been working on this stuff, actually starting to implement and practice it in the mid-90s.
	And, of course, the ideas for doing all this stuff, the idea for the Internet, goes back to the early 1960s.
	J.C.R.
	Licklider at DARPA, a psychologist.
	They just didn't have the practical capabilities to start doing that until...
	You know, the end of the 90s and end of the early 2000s.
	And so when you look at Dark Winter, when you look at Operation Warp Speed, these are PSYOPs.
	That's what they're always about.
	So the Sentient World Simulation, this is from Expo's A News, a project developed by the U.S. Department of Defense.
	And people brought you Operation Warp Speed.
	To create a digital copy of the real world aiming to test psychological operations and to predict human behavior.
	It assigns a digital avatar to every person on Earth and uses data collected from their online activities to create a predictive model of each person's behavior.
	This is big data, AI.
	This is why the social media sites are so precious to them.
	Why the fight over TikTok and all the rest of this.
	You know, they want, instead of fighting over the big board, Like Dr. Strangelove, they're fighting over the big data, which is all of you.
	You know, we can't let TikTok in here.
	They'll see the big data, right?
	We gotta own the TikTok.
	It also replicates financial institutions, utilities, media outlets, street corner shops, applying theories of economics and human psychology to predict how individuals and groups will respond to various stressors.
	So... Again, this goes back to the paper, original paper that came out.
	It was in 2007, 13 years before they started Operation Warp Speed and stuff like that.
	But, of course, they began Dark Winter and all the other programs on an annual basis for a couple of decades.
	It was developed at Purdue University by Dr. Elok Chatyurvadai.
	Chatyurvadai? I don't even know what nationality he would be.
	But he was the founder of Simulex and the co-developer of SWS.
	The simulation aims to achieve a one-to-one level of granularity for its simulations.
	However, he insisted that his goal was to have depersonalized likenesses, although government agencies and corporations could add personally identifiable information from their own databases.
	It is part of a broader initiative called Synthetic Environment for Analysis and Simulations, or SEAS, as in S-E-A-S, seven Cs.
	They love to have these little puns like the five I's that are watching you.
	It was initially developed to help Fortune 500 companies with strategic planning, later used for military and recruitment purposes.
	Of course, Palantir fits into all this kind of stuff as well.
	A concept paper for this was published in 2006.
	The program went live in 2007.
	These things have been around for quite some time.
	There is a video on YouTube that has been removed, says Exposé News, because, of course, anything that tells you something important, they will remove.
	But you can still watch it on Odyssey, Rumble, Bitchute.
	That's why those are the sites where we are.
	Those are the sites that support free speech.
	All the rest of them will remove you when you tell people the truth about what is happening.
	The video, if you wanted to watch it on those sites, on Odyssey, Rumble, or BitChute, is the DARPA Hive Mind Control Grid.
	We're feeding all of our information back into this quantum computer that has basically got a virtual world.
	All of us have a digital avatar in there.
	Well, I don't know if they've got a quantum computer yet or not, but they're working on that.
	They're able to manipulate the digital avatar in a virtual world that's actually translated into effects in the real world.
	A kind of MKUltra in the 21st century.
	You know, it's a psychological operation.
	The claim is that there's a digital simulation of every person on Earth, but as Exposé News points out, you've got to understand that roughly a third of the world doesn't have access to the Internet, so they can't know anything about them.
	But they're not worried about that.
	They're worried about the western part of the world, but they are addressing that.
	They're rolling Skylink out so that they can get everybody in the world online and start analyzing everybody because all of it is a big data trap.
	It's all about getting information about you, about looking at you personally, about modeling you as a group.
	Geospatial intelligence is about being able to discern people's We're going to know better than you what you're going to do.
	We're going to be able to predict your behavior, and we'll be able to control and to block that behavior as well.
	So, as I say in this, most importantly, SWS will never be able to collect data on or simulate or influence our spiritual lives.
	See, that's the issue, right?
	We don't have to despair about this stuff.
	It's not hopeless.
	Now, for the people who only want to live their life referencing their animal nature, it is a big problem for them.
	These people like B.F. Skinner have spent a lot of time modeling and manipulating us in terms of our animal nature.
	And they can do that very effectively.
	Positive operant conditioning, you know, B.S. Skinner could train pretty much any animal to do anything he wanted to do with positive operant conditioning.
	And of course, they can also add some negative in there as well.
	But the positive is really important, you know, just like we're talking about stable coins, right?
	Rather than going out and dictating to somebody, you will do this.
	That's the Joe Biden-Democrat approach.
	They use negative operant conditioning.
	You'll take the vaccine or you'll lose your job.
	The Republican approach is, if you take the vaccine, you might win a million-dollar lottery prize.
	You know, that's what DeWine and Vivek Rama Slimy were doing in Ohio.
	That's the positive operating conditioning.
	Or you could say to the farmers, well, look, you know, stablecoin, which is going to be a way that we can bring the digital global currency in the back door, that's going to allow you to...
	To skip all these fees and to get paid instantly and all the rest of this stuff.
	So they do the positive operant conditioning.
	How do we see this as Christians?
	How do we navigate in this?
	Well, we have to understand that our weapons are mighty.
	We have something that is far stronger than that.
	And there's absolutely no way that if we're grounded in the Lord Jesus Christ, these people are going to be able to manipulate us.
	They just can't do it.
	Because we don't live for this world.
	You can offer all the positive or negative conditioning that you want, but you're not going to change a Christian who is grounded in the Lord Jesus Christ.
	And that's the way you escape this.
	We're not people of this world.
	We're just pilgrims that are here.
	The kingdom of God is within you.
	And if the Lord Jesus Christ is your king, you have freedom and dignity that they want to take away from everybody else.
	Here, strictly as an animal to be manipulated by DARPA or by B.F. Skinner or by these behavioral psychologists, you can transcend that.
	Because again, Christ's kingdom is not of this world.
	And if Christ is within you, if God is within you, that makes all the difference in the world.
	And it's one of the reasons why they have to identify us by our religion.
	Because that's the way that we are going to fight them.
	This is a spiritual war, if ever there was one.
	These people in the CIA and DARPA are allied with the darkest of satanic forces.
	There's absolutely no doubt about that.
	If you look at what they do, their occultic stuff, their drugs, all of it is as dark as it gets.
	These people are fully on satanic.
	They're capable of anything.
	When you look at...
	Epstein, right?
	Epstein. Is he CIA or is he Mossad?
	You know, I saw a debate about that on one of these other things.
	It's like, what difference does it make?
	There's no difference between those different groups.
	You know, they're just different thugs, but they operate exactly the same way.
	And so you want to be able to get out of that system.
	On Rumble, MAV 2022, Jesus overcame this world.
	That's right.
	Absolutely right.
	Well, we're going to take a quick break.
	Do we have our guests today yet?
	Okay. Well, we'll take a quick break, and we'll come back and do a little bit more.
	I want to talk a little bit about Klaus Schwab, who has just departed us.
	Not exactly.
	He's still alive.
	He's just not at the World Economic Forum in the speaking role, I guess.
	but we'll be right back.
	Here's a little song I wrote.
	You might want to hear it in your pod.
	You know nothing.
	And be happy.
	Ain't got no cash.
	Ain't got no car.
	But 24 booster shots in your arm.
	Oh, nothing.
	Be happy.
	You can't even buy s*** in the store.
	Because of your low social credit score.
	Own nothing.
	Be happy.
	Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh.
	You will own nothing.
	And be happy.
	Be happy and eat some bugs.
	They're doing what?
	In the place they named after me?
	Good thing I have the David Knight Show to keep me informed on the plots of these traitors.
	Making sense common again.
	This is the David Knight Show.
	Well, Herr Klaus, as Ursula von der Leyen refers to him, has stepped down from the World Economic Forum as chair.
	He's been there for 55 years, since 1970.
	The Geneva-based institution has announced earlier this month that Schwab would be stepping down without indicating a time frame.
	He's 87. He says, following my recent announcement, as I enter my 88th year, I decided to step down for the position of chair.
	And as a member of the Board of Trustees, with immediate effect, he said yesterday.
	Actually, not yesterday.
	It was on the 20th.
	It was on Sunday.
	So he did not do this in reaction to his friend, the Pope, dying.
	But they're both the same age.
	They have quite a bit in common, actually, besides their age.
	The World Economic Forum board said in a statement that it had accepted Schwab's resignation at an extraordinary meeting that was held April 20th.
	So they did it all at once.
	I wonder if he's having some health issues.
	I don't know.
	Vice Chairman Peter Braybeck Letmoth will become the new interim chairman.
	And so it remains to be seen whether he can speak like a Bond villain or not.
	Klaus Schwab.
	Hate to see him leave because he's been infinitely entertaining with his Nazi speech.
	But as he leaves this, there was an interesting...
	We've got our guests.
	I'm going to go to James Bovard here.
	It's kind of interesting to see how the Pope, who also died at about the same age, how much they had in common.
	Their utter contempt for humanity, even though you've got a lot of people out there who are trying to say nice things about this Pope.
	From the very beginning, it was clear, you know, when you look at his emphasis, you know, the old joke is the Pope Catholic, that is, you know, LifeSite News, which is Catholic.
	Had a long list of places where he is opposed to Catholicism, but of course his real passion was globalism.
	His real passion was climate alarmism and all the rest of this stuff.
	One of the first things that he did was to do this statement, his climate encyclical, which he had a Vatican scientific group who knew.
	But the guy that he had writing this stuff.
	It was John Schulenberger, if I remember his name correctly.
	But he was on record as one of the most radical depopulationists that were out there.
	So it's kind of amazing to see this.
	The old guard is being changed out, but the new guys are coming in.
	A lot of people tried to make excuses.
	Years ago, as the Great Reset was coming in, they said, well, you know, yeah, it looks like the Pope is fully on board with Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum with taking everything away from everybody.
	But the difference is that unlike Klaus Schwab, the Pope's vision is anchored in God's grace.
	Well, if you believe that, I've got a Brooklyn Bridge.
	See, it's okay.
	Totalitarian social control is just fine.
	And it's the perfect remedy for any crisis.
	And if somebody is the Pope or if they're Donald Trump, you can forget about holding them accountable for what they push out.
	We're going to take a quick break, and we will be right back with our guest, James Bovard, who has something to say that I think you're going to find really interesting.
	He had a great op-ed piece on Mises.org about the lead-up, since we had the 250th anniversary on Friday and Saturday of Paul Revere's ride in Concord and Lexington.
	He's got a great story to put things in a real context.
	So we're going to take a quick break, and we will be right back.
	Unlike most revolutions, where the people rise against a real economic oppression, in our case here in Boston, we are fighting for purely an abstract principle.
	It is, however, not nearly so abstract as a young gentleman supposes.
	The issue involved here is one of monopoly.
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	Today, the British government will monopolize the sale of tea in our country.
	Tomorrow it will be something else.
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	You're listening to The David Knight Show.
	All right, and joining us now is James Bovard, and you can find his writing and links to where he writes because he's published all over the place.
	He's got a piece on Mises.org that we're going to talk about here that's excellent in historical context.
	I think you're going to find it fascinating.
	But you can find him at jimbovard.com because, like I said, he's published in all different places all the time.
	Great to have you on, Jim.
	Thank you so much.
	David, thanks for having me back on.
	It's always very entertaining to talk to you, and I covered this a little bit yesterday about the 250th anniversary of Concord and Lexington and Paul Revere's riot and everything that happened this last weekend.
	But you put this in an excellent historical context, and so I wanted to go through some of that.
	And you talk about, you begin by talking about Arthur Schlesinger.
	I remember this guy.
	He's like the prototypical fighting whitey guy.
	I remember him.
	We got rascals.
	Yeah, yeah.
	And he was, you know, he'd always have that pipe there, you know, and he was like the Mr. Wasp guy of the CIA or whatever out there.
	What was his attitude towards 1776, the American Revolution?
	Well, I mean, he had the same attitude that King George III had, so basically a bunch of uppity peasants.
	There was a line that he had a few, I guess, 20 years ago before he pegged out.
	He said, historians today conclude that the colonists were driven to revolt in 1776 because of a false conviction that they faced a British conspiracy to destroy their freedom.
	And you have to get rid of so much evidence in order to say it was a false conviction.
	It's kind of like, yeah, like the government was shooting blanks at Waco, you know, whatever.
	I saw somebody that had an op-ed piece, Jim, that said tariffs are what American freedom is based on.
	It's like, what?
	I think tariffs are kind of what they were fighting, don't you, at that point in time?
	I mean, it was just taxes, right?
	When they said, you know, no taxation without representation, they were talking about tariffs, weren't they?
	Well, I mean, tariffs were part of it.
	Tariffs were a major, you know, it wasn't just a tariff, it was a blockade.
	Yeah. I mean, because it wasn't like that they had to pay 10% more for the shoes that they imported from India.
	It was more like that the Brits were prohibiting them from making any kind of iron-type goods, nails and stuff like that.
	And they were just completely subjugated on the trade issue.
	That was a major issue in the Declaration of Independence.
	A lot of people, that's not too convenient to remember at this moment, but it was.
	But there were so many ways that the British were so abusive and contemptuous of Americans.
	And it took a lot to get those farmers to get up early in the morning, get their gun, and go out and start shooting the British soldiers as they were running back from Concord to Boston.
	And as you point out, they were pretty good shots, too.
	Unlike the British soldiers.
	I mean, the British soldiers, there was a wonderful line from his story almost 100 years ago.
	He said the British soldiers were the worst shots in the world, and they would not be able to hit a horse at 10 yards.
	Well, you know, that's something I imagine in those days they were, you know, not everybody had, they were shooting muskets and things like that and not necessarily accurate rifles.
	I mean, we even saw that in the Civil War.
	You know, these people would line up and, you know, once the first volley went off, there was nothing but a white cloud anyway.
	You couldn't see anything to even try to target anybody for the most part.
	And so, you know, it's just like, you know, load and fire as rapidly as you can and hope that you hit something, you know.
	They did have sharpshooters that were operative.
	Both in the Civil War and in the Revolutionary War, and it was those sharpshooters that really took a toll on the British, right?
	Yeah, it was Daniel Morgan's men from the Winchester, Virginia area were famous for that.
	I think at Saratoga they shot down a lot of the British officers.
	But there was a whole mindset, okay, a lot of the Americans did have muskets like the British, but I mean...
	It's a different incentive system.
	If you're a government soldier, then you need to shoot close enough for government work.
	Whereas if you're a farmer and you're counting on your hunting and you need to be able to hit the damn deer you shoot at, you need to hit it.
	You've got a guy with a red coat there marching down the street, you know, okay, it's not too hard to hit.
	That's right.
	Yeah, their ammunition is deer, and when they're going out to try to get the deer, they've got to make every shot count.
	I've had a lot of practice of that.
	As you point out, he had a great quote here.
	He said, the colonists revolted because they were being bayoneted down the road to serfdom, you know, going back to Hayek.
	And that's exactly what was happening.
	As you point out, it was the taxes, it was the tariffs.
	And I've come across a lot of people like Arthur Schlesinger who used to take the kids when they were younger.
	To Colonial Williamsburg, which is a Rockefeller thing.
	So they'd hire a lot of people to try to downplay the American Revolution.
	And they would always say, so why did they push back against this?
	And they wanted me to say, no taxation without representation.
	I would say, because taxation is theft.
	And they would go, well, no, not really.
	And it's like, well, no, really it is.
	And they would give you their pat answer about what they want to do.
	But yeah, they'd kind of try to downplay it.
	And they would try to rework the image of the British a little bit there as well without pushing down the Americans too much.
	It's been a long time since we've been there.
	I imagine it's probably pretty bad now.
	That was back in the 90s.
	Yeah, that was in the 90s.
	Yeah, it's probably gotten a lot worse.
	Same as Monticello.
	Yeah. I mean, that's a social justice tour at this point.
	Oh, yeah.
	Yeah, we took them once.
	One year, we were up in...
	Plymouth Rock for Thanksgiving.
	And I couldn't believe how politically correct all of that stuff was.
	We did that about a decade after we'd been going to Colonial Williamsburg.
	And it's like, oh, this is crazy.
	It's just this self-flagellating parade of beating themselves up.
	It was crazy.
	But still, we could go and we could see the ships.
	I guess it was worth it for that, maybe.
	Yeah, I mean, it's the same trouble with historical narratives in general.
	When I was up in Boston two summers ago, and I was curious because I had not been knocked around Boston for quite a while.
	I used to live there.
	And I wanted to see how they were portraying the history, especially of the American Revolution.
	And it was almost a myopic focus on the plight of the slaves.
	And the slaves are, of course, badly treated.
	And Massachusetts was one of the first states to get rid of slavery.
	But it was the same puzzlement I had when I went to Richmond a few years ago.
	And I'd gone to Richmond quite a bit as a boy.
	I was a big enthusiast for the Civil War.
	And they had Civil War museums then and now, but nowadays the museums seem to focus mostly on the plight of women and slaves during the Civil War.
	And I was thinking, well, you know, actually there were also some battles.
	Well, you know, I'm archaic.
	What can I say?
	Yeah, that's right.
	That's what up at Plymouth Rock, you know, it's all about the Indians.
	And what they really kind of sloughed over was the fact that...
	The Indians and the pilgrims got along pretty well for a couple of decades or a couple of generations until they started having a King Philip's War and that type of thing.
	But they wanted to ignore that.
	But getting back to your op-ed piece here and the lead-up to what caused all this, you talked about the Sugar Act of 1764.
	Tell us a little bit about that and what that was involved in.
	Okay, so the...
	Basically, what the British did with the trade laws and regulations was make it clear that Americans were completely inferior to the British.
	And the Sugar Act of 1764 resulted in British officials confiscating hundreds of American ships based on mere allegations that the ship owners or captains were involved in smuggling.
	Once a British official made that charge, it was up to the ship owner to somehow prove his ship had never been involved in smuggling.
	It was very difficult to prove a negative.
	I mean, this is kind of the same thing we have now with asset forfeiture laws.
	They've been sort of vexatious for the last 40 years.
	But the philosophical, I mean, what so many of the histories of the American Revolution do is ignore The philosophical aspects.
	And the Americans back then could see the broader picture better than they do now.
	There was an act that Parliament passed in 1766, the Declaratory Act of 1766.
	It said Parliament had, hath, and a right ought to have full power and authority to make laws and statutes...of sufficient force to bind the colonies and people of America subject of the crown of Britain in all cases whatsoever.
	That meant Britain could never violate the rights of Americans because Americans had no right.
	And something I'd not realized until I was digging into this, writing the story, was it was modeled after an act of the same...
	Really? Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	Well, you know, what you do is you start out by saying that this class of people is somehow inferior, subhuman.
	They're not really human.
	You know, you look at this and you can see this being repeated in Gaza or wherever.
	But also, you know, when, as you point out, it's very much like civil asset forfeiture.
	You know, I think that this ship was involved in smuggling.
	And you just take it.
	You don't have to, I guess, I don't know if they would charge the people a crime or they'd just steal the ship.
	That's what they do today with civil asset forfeiture.
	They just take your property and never even charge you with a crime, let alone convict you of that.
	It saves paperwork.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	You know, it kind of reminded me, too, when I saw that.
	I thought it was funny.
	You know, we had the Declaration of Independence came exactly...
	Ten years later.
	And it was a real response to this declaratory act, I guess, because the declaratory act is saying you don't have any rights.
	And they said, no, we do.
	And our rights don't come from government.
	They come from God.
	We have them innately as a human being.
	And so it was a direct response a decade later to this declaratory act.
	And I thought back, you know, to one of the movies that I'd watched as a kid that I really liked because I like Patrick McGowan.
	I love The Prisoner.
	And I remember the Scarecrow thing that was done by Disney at the time.
	Because Walt Disney used to take a positive view of American history and of Americans.
	It's a long time ago.
	That was a long time ago.
	Things have really changed, haven't they?
	And so in that one, he's got this cleric, their pastor, whatever his title was.
	And he moonlights as the scarecrow that's doing smuggling.
	And so these guys are smuggling, and it's all presented as justified, and the British are the villains and everything.
	And it's kind of interesting because they also show the press gangs.
	They were going around and kidnapping people and putting them into service.
	And, of course, that was a big part of what was happening at this time as well.
	They had press gangs that were coming after Americans, not just after British.
	Yeah, and that was part of what sparked the War of 1812, decades later.
	No, I mean, there was an attitude of complete contempt for anybody who wasn't part of the aristocracy, or didn't have this title, or was friends of this person.
	And that was part of the novelty of the...
	The mindset of the government that was created in, I guess, 1787.
	It did not have that aristocracy.
	It did not have those legal privileges.
	I mean, the federal government claimed them pretty quick and made a mockery of a lot of the ideas, but still, at the start, it was good.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You mentioned, too, and it was pretty much a...
	A universal attitude of contempt by the British.
	There were some exceptions, like William Pitt.
	You've got a quote here.
	It is forbidden to make even a nail for a horseshoe.
	He was liked by Americans because he kind of leaned toward the American side.
	I was talking about it yesterday in North Carolina.
	One of the oldest towns there is named after him, Pittsburgh.
	Yeah, they were...
	Yeah, and the same with Edmund Burke, a member of parliament who later became a well-known philosopher and writer.
	I mean, there were a lot of radical Whigs in England who recognized that it was important to stand up to stop oppression in the colonies because the same precedents would echo back home eventually.
	Yes, yes.
	And, you know, we look at all this, and at the time, you know, of course, the slave trade was still going.
	And that did not, that was not ended.
	You know, Wilberforce, I forget what time he started deposing it, but eventually he stopped the slave trade, and then he stopped, you know, freed the slaves.
	They paid off the plantation owners.
	In the Caribbean that were under them.
	But they had that attitude, as you point out, this attitude they had about slavery.
	That wasn't just about African slaves.
	That was the attitude they had towards Irishmen.
	That was the attitude they had towards Americans at that time as well.
	Yeah, and this is something that's hard for a lot of contemporary Americans to understand.
	Because they have this notion, they are looking backward and not recognizing how profoundly different the legal and moral atmosphere was back in those times, and the absolute swagger of the British.
	I mean...
	I mean, in my dealings with government agents, I've often come across ones that had vast swagger, and I can understand how that would breed hatred.
	And eventually, if they rubbed too many noses in the dirt, it would lead to a violent revolt.
	And that's happened throughout history.
	There wasn't so much racism based on skin color, they just equally hated everybody, right?
	Well, yeah.
	Dom ate everybody.
	I mean, it was people who were inferior, and Americans were inferior to British, especially to the British officials appointed by the Crown, or the British military officers, or even the British customs officials who had a right to go into anybody's house and search to see if they had any property that they had not paid a tariff on.
	Maybe, you know, I don't...
	Hopefully this doesn't give anybody in Washington ideas right now.
	But this is, I mean, it was the writs of assistance which the government would give its soldiers or others and entitle them to break into anybody's house, search all their papers, search this, search that.
	I mean, it was almost as bad as the NSA.
	Yeah, that's right, because that's what they're doing all the time, whether you realize it or not.
	They're breaking into your house and they're looking through your papers and your private effects.
	By going into your computer.
	I've talked about that.
	People say, we don't have a violation of the Third Amendment.
	It's like, do you realize what the government is doing with your computer?
	They're actually living in your house, whether you realize it or not.
	They're living there with you.
	You just don't see them.
	They're there virtually, which perhaps is even worse, I guess.
	Yeah, but it's just good that they're there to protect us from ourselves.
	Isn't that great?
	Yeah, I feel so much safer knowing that they're in my house watching everything that I'm doing.
	You talk a little bit about John Locke, and of course, his second treatise on government predated this stuff by about a century.
	But that really was a big part of the philosophical foundation.
	You know, these are people who are not watching Gilligan's Island.
	They were reading books.
	They were talking to other people who had read books.
	And they're debating these ideas and forming these ideas.
	There was a full century of Lockean philosophy that was underlying their pushback, right?
	Yeah, and there were some wonderful lines from Locke here, one of which...
	Resonated with the colonists was, he who attempts to get another man into his absolute power does thereby put himself into a state of war with him.
	And if you look at that 1776 Act by Parliament, that's basically proclaiming it's an act of war.
	Since you have no rights, and another one of my favorite John Locke quotes, I have no reason to suppose that he who would take away my liberty would not, when he had me in his power, take away everything else.
	Was he around?
	It sounds like he's describing 2020.
	Well, yeah.
	Yeah. He saw into the future like Mastradamus.
	You know, you could see 2020 and the lockdown.
	But what we're talking about here is human nature.
	And that's one of the reasons why it's important to go back and to look at, you know, the understanding of the nature of tyranny and the zero-sum game here about who's going to make decisions about my life.
	You know, it's important for us to understand that because all of these attitudes, as you point out, you run into a vicious.
	Arrogant bureaucrats all the time.
	We all do.
	And so it's important to understand how human nature plays into this.
	And it's important to understand that we have these same types of problems.
	I run into people all the time who say, well, you know, that was back then.
	We're not at all like them.
	We're so much more advanced.
	I had one guy saying, Thomas Jefferson, he didn't know anything.
	He wouldn't even be able to drive a car.
	I was like, are you kidding me?
	You know, so there's that kind of an attitude.
	They don't know anything because they didn't have televisions.
	Maybe they knew a lot more because they didn't have televisions.
	The people in the past didn't know anything, but human nature doesn't change.
	And that's why it's so timeless to see the types of things that Locke said, the way the government was trying to impose its authority on the Americans and how they pushed back against it.
	Yeah, and what people don't realize, okay, so Thomas Jefferson was not able to drive a Corvette, and he didn't have a television, but there has not been that much change in the nature of politicians and the nature of tyranny.
	And so you still have, I mean...
	Folks who are saying, well, things are different now.
	Okay, how would you judge the moral and intellectual caliber of the average member of Congress right now?
	Okay, versus 200 years ago.
	I mean, I don't see much improvement.
	Okay, they might get a little better.
	They might have some, okay, they got a law degree, they got this, they got that, but they're still weasels.
	And it's kind of like, okay, so, and they're still untrustworthy.
	And that was one of the wonderful things the Founding Fathers recognized.
	Thomas Jefferson was very eloquent on that.
	Don't trust any man with power.
	I mean, it goes back to the...
	1798, was it the Kentucky Resolution?
	Yeah. I think you might have the key quotes on that closer to your memory than I do.
	Yeah, because I was just talking about, you know, I see all this stuff that Trump is doing in terms of shutting down free speech on campus and about kicking people out summarily and everything.
	I say, this is like a reenactment of the Alien and Sedition Act.
	You know, this is history repeating itself, a rhyming, you know, at the very least, isn't it?
	Yeah, and part of the lucid and eloquent nature of Jefferson's resolutions, and the same with Madison, was that they recognized how danger of power was once it's off a leash.
	And it's frustrating to me because, hell, I've been arguing that my whole damn career, and I was talking to a foreign gentleman a couple days ago, and he said, well, it looks like America's had some trouble the last couple years.
	I said, yeah, well, actually, things especially got worse after 9-11, because, I mean, that was, you know...
	9-11 turned into a grant of power to the ruling class.
	Yes. And they've never given that back.
	That's right.
	Yeah. Forget about declaring wars anymore.
	We have this authorization for the use of military forces.
	Gives us a blank check to do anything that we wish.
	And, of course, we can do anything we wish domestically as well as they're rolling out the TSA and the real ID and all the rest of this stuff.
	You know, we're going to start enforcing that next month.
	But, you know, one of the things, too, I think, that is really key is the fact that...
	You know, the people in Washington now are sitting on such an amazing pot of gold, or actually a giant stack of fiat currency.
	Yeah, I was wondering where this was going to go.
	That is such a corrupting thing when you look at the amount of money that is there.
	And I always talk about the astronomical amounts that are being contributed to all of these campaigns.
	I mean, even a congressman, you know, the amount of money that they're getting.
	I said that is a direct metric.
	Of the level of corruption, and that is the amount of money that these people from presidents to congressmen and even local officials are getting when they run for office.
	I said, you know, this is not a charitable thing.
	People are making investments in these guys.
	So that is a direct metric of corruption when you look at the amount of money that's donated in these political campaigns.
	Well, yeah, and it's funny, if you go back 200 years, 1700s, I guess, a lot in Britain, there was a lot of concern there about the ministers and the government giving so many bribes to members of parliament to buy their support.
	And, you know, the same thing is happening now with federal grants to a certain district to get that congressman's vote, this promise, that promise.
	The whole idea that the government can become that big and that out of control and you can somehow keep it honest, yeah, that's a real triumph of hope over experience.
	Getting back to the T, and getting back to the tariffs on it, you know, the fact, you mentioned to this, the fact that, you know, not only would they confiscate ships, but they would also invade people's homes and use this arbitrary power to search everything that they had there.
	When you look at the response to it, one of the things I thought was interesting was, and I wanted to ask you about this because I didn't have time to look it up, you say Vermont Patriots marched in 1775.
	I think it is.
	I'm not sure.
	I mean, I had not made that connection, but I think you're right, yeah.
	But what you say is, tell people why it was about the pine tree and why that was such a sticking point.
	Yeah, so pine was an excellent material for building ships, and Parliament banned cutting down any white pine trees.
	Claiming every pine tree in the colonies for the British crown without compensation.
	In 1846, historian Jonathan Sewell wrote that the conflict with Britain Hmm.
	rendered that term nugatory so the pines were virtually being commandeered by the Navy.
	They were especially good for the ship's mass.
	Hmm. Hmm.
	Well, you know, it's kind of interesting because we keep seeing these same types of themes coming around.
	I remember when Brexit was circulating around.
	One of the big griefs that the British had who wanted to leave the EU was they said, we've been fishing these waters for millennia, and now the EU is telling us how many fish we can take out of our own waters here.
	You know, so it kind of came back to the British there.
	But it's always about, isn't about Britain versus every other country.
	It's about the nature of power.
	And so it's always going to come back that way.
	But I see parallels in that to a lot of this environmental, you know, this aspect of the globalist and the environmentalism.
	We're going to tell you how much, you know, resources you can consume.
	We're going to track your carbon footprint.
	You're not going to own anything.
	We're going to the C40.
	The coalition says, well, we're going to measure all the meat that you have and the dairy that you have until we just completely cut it off.
	It's amazing to see this kind of stuff, and yet, you know, we see this throughout history.
	This is always, again, going back to what we just said, it's always a condition of the human nature.
	It's always a condition of power, how power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
	We keep seeing this repeated over and over again, and yet people today...
	Don't seem to get the picture.
	They're so focused on, you know, the pines.
	Today they would just focus on the trees, and they wouldn't understand the general principle that was there.
	But the people in America understood the general principle.
	Yeah, well, I mean, those pine trees were such a powerful symbol, basically, because it did...
	Capture the total expropriation of property rights.
	Those pine trees were some of the most valuable properties up in New England.
	But if you had them, you were out of luck.
	That's a long tradition in Britain where they would say, going back to the Robin Hood stories and stuff, you can't go hunting unless we tell you that you can go hunting.
	Everything belongs to us, right?
	And we'll tell you what you can have.
	You will own nothing and you'll be happier.
	England has a long history.
	I agree with that, and that's part of the reason that my ancestors and your ancestors probably came in this direction centuries ago.
	Mine were kicked out of France first, but that's a different story.
	Thank God they were kicked out of France, but that's another story.
	Well, I'd love to hear that, but why were they kicked out of France?
	Because they were Protestants.
	Yeah, my ancestors, according to family lore, a number of them were living in Paris in 1572, and like about half of them were killed in the St. Bartholomew Days Massacre.
	When the king and the pope tried to kill all the Protestants, and the survivors fled over to England and get their feet on the ground there.
	It's funny, I've been watching Wolf Hall, the BBC series on Thomas Cromwell.
	And Cromwell's a hell of a rascal, but thanks to him, perhaps, my ancestors could find refuge in England.
	Yeah, interesting.
	Interesting. I had not heard of that program.
	I have to look it up and see that.
	That might be interesting.
	Yeah, it is.
	And when you look at liberty, you know, religious liberty was so intertwined with everything.
	And we see it in our First Amendment.
	If you tell people, if you're going to try to control what people believe and control them at a very, very fundamental level, that's controlling their speech and it's policing their beliefs and all the rest of this stuff.
	And, of course, that had been done quite a bit.
	And it had been done because, you know, they would have a close connection between these organized religions and the organized government.
	And so if you started to move in a different direction, that was a threat to them politically.
	We see that's why they're intertwined, I think.
	And the First Amendment, that had been the long history that people had seen, that kind of symbiotic relationship there between established church and a government that was there.
	But that was really the impetus for so many people coming here.
	I don't know my background exactly.
	My uncle looked it up at one point in time, but yeah, it came from England.
	And I've been here longer than I can imagine.
	But I've never looked it up myself to get the information.
	Yeah, there's a simple thumbnail which I use to explain how my family moved eventually got here.
	I mean, my family was kicked out of France because the French were biased against Protestants, and they were kicked out of Ireland because the Irish were prejudiced against horse thieves.
	That's good.
	Talk a little bit about firearms, of course, because the Second Amendment is a big part of this as well.
	Yeah, well, I mean, here again, this is something which so many people try to, Downplay, but the major shooting started when the British tried to seize the gunpowder and cannons and firearms there in Concord.
	And, of course, the British screwed it up.
	And there was a funny detail.
	A friend sent me some details on Concord that I wasn't aware of.
	So the first shooting was in Lexington.
	The British shot down a number of militiamen.
	It's unclear who shot first, but the British fired a volley and left eight or ten dead on the field there.
	And then the British came to Concord, and the British soldiers were just so damn ornery that they were grabbing people in the town and forcing them to fix them breakfast.
	Really? It's like, oh, this is a great PR gesture, you know?
	And as I said to my friend, you know, British soldiers didn't realize it was their last supper because hundreds of them got shot down as they flood back to the Boston.
	Because what happened was that the British had overwhelmed, greatly outnumbered the Minutemen who showed up in Lexington.
	But by the time they got to Concord, they were burning some various things around town.
	A lot of the local militiamen had returned.
	retreated outside of town.
	Then they came back to the North Bridge.
	There was a firefight there.
	The British took off running.
	And then the British eventually started to retreat back to Boston.
	But they had a lot of company along the way that was just picking them off
	Mm-hmm.
	They almost got captured, so I'm sorry, go ahead.
	That was an early example of asymmetric warfare, wasn't it?
	And we never learned the lesson.
	As Americans, you would think we learned the lesson of asymmetric warfare, yet we have enacted the role of the British over and over again in my lifetime, haven't we?
	That is true.
	And it's, I mean, you know, part of the lesson is don't piss off farmers with guns.
	Yeah, that's right.
	But the British weren't that smart.
	And then it was interesting how it played out because Two months later, a bunch of militia folks had come together, and they seized Bunker Hill and Breeds Hill, and the British decided to teach them a lesson by putting their bright red coats,
	some of their finest troops, and marching them up the hill.
	And the American soldiers just rose up and fired repeated volleys into that and broke the British assault twice, and then they finally ran out of ammunition, mostly, and retreated.
	But the American sharpshooters shot down, killed or wounded, badly wounded, every British officer on the field, as well as a third of the British troops.
	And that was a devastating blow against the British.
	They had a pirate victory, as their generals said, but that they could not afford any more such victories.
	And my understanding is that the British Army at that point was that the soldiers were basically, the enlisted men were, Maybe a little bit better than dogs, maybe treated worse than dogs, but they were very subservient to the officers, and once the officers got shot,
	they were kind of like, you know, what do we do next?
	Is that your impression?
	I read an interesting book.
	I actually took a course on British history when I transferred.
	I changed majors.
	I transferred to a different college and changed majors, and they made me take a bunch of core curriculum over and over again.
	So I said, all right, I'm going to take a course on British history.
	And one of the most interesting books I read was The Reason Why.
	And it was about Lord Cardigan.
	What a pompous idiot he was.
	But he became the hero of the poem, right?
	The thin red line, and ours is not to reason why, ours is but to do or die, and all the rest is.
	And it was just this comedy of errors.
	And, you know, I don't know whether the people that were with him knew what to do, but he certainly didn't know what to do.
	But he became a war hero out of the Crimean War.
	And I always remembered that, and so I thought it was pretty funny.
	And as the Ukraine stuff was starting up about three years ago, and the head of the British military said, well, we beat the Russians in Crimea before, and we'll beat them again.
	And I thought, okay, well, why were the Russians in Crimea when you guys fought them a couple hundred years ago?
	Because that was their territory.
	But anyway, that's another story.
	Going back to 1854, wasn't there a famous line in the Tennyson poem that got suppressed?
	Some damn fool blundered?
	Maybe. It's been a while since I read it.
	I read that one.
	It's been, let's see, about 50 years ago since I read that book.
	So that might have escaped my attention.
	I don't know.
	It was kind of focused on Lord Cardigan and what an idiot.
	And he was so beloved that when he came back, he had this personal affectation of sweaters.
	And so everybody started copying his sweaters.
	And that's where the Cardigan sweater comes from, right?
	Because he became a hero, but he didn't really know.
	He had bought his commission because he was wealthy.
	He wasn't trained.
	He bought his way into that thing, and he kind of took off on his own.
	So it was an interesting book.
	I don't know.
	I mean, I've only read the one book on it, so the guy might have skewed it to his political viewpoint, but it certainly was interesting.
	No, it sounded like Cardigan deserved to be thrashed.
	Exactly. Or keelhauled, you know?
	Keelhauled. There you go.
	That's a nice English tradition.
	Drag from one end of the boat to the other.
	From stern to, from bow to stern or whatever, vice versa.
	Yeah, but you know we have people...
	They're very much like this kind of arrogance today.
	We've heard a whole string of Democrat politicians when it comes to the Second Amendment.
	You think that's going to help you?
	Well, you know, Swalwell and Beto O'Rourke and Joe Biden.
	We've got a military.
	Your guns don't mean anything.
	And I've always heard that when I would talk to reporters when I was with the Libertarian Party.
	They'd say, well, you think you can stop the government?
	And it's like, yeah.
	It's like asymmetric warfare.
	I said, it's like mutually assured destruction.
	You certainly don't want it, okay?
	But it is a country where firearms are in the hands of the people.
	It is like mutually assured destruction.
	Certainly, nobody but a fool, nobody but somebody like Eric Swalwell or Beto O'Rourke or Joe Biden would ever broach that idea.
	But that's what it would turn out to be.
	It would be just a horrific situation.
	But we don't have a good track record on asymmetric war.
	No, but I mean, going back to the idea of using firearms to defend against an oppressive government, I was in the mountains of North Carolina taking a vacation with my wife at that point, just before 9-11.
	And I pulled up in front of this country store, and this big old bald guy comes out and says, What part of Maryland are you from?
	And I said, Well, I'm from Rockville.
	And he started chatting me up real much.
	He was too friendly.
	Something was wrong.
	And then he finally said he thought I was an undercover federal agent.
	And I was thinking, Where in hell in life did I go wrong that people were suspecting me of being an undercover federal agent?
	So I said, Well, why do you think?
	I said, well, you're driving a black car and you've got a Maryland license plate.
	I said, ah, you don't miss a trick, do you?
	I said, are there any other signs?
	He said, yeah, these federal, these undercover agents have got GPS tracking devices underneath the back of their car.
	I said, do you want to take a look under my car?
	Yeah, I want to do that.
	So he did that.
	He didn't find anything.
	Then he shook my hand.
	He was frowned.
	The reason I mention this is because the reason he suspected me.
	It was that two years earlier, the FBI had flooded that area.
	There were hundreds of FBI agents going around because that was the area where Eric Rudolph was thought to be hiding.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	And the FBI came in there.
	The FBI announced they were sending their best and their brightest, and they would find him in no time.
	The FBI would show up at motels.
	They'd throw everybody out.
	The FBI's taken over.
	They'd throw people out of restaurants.
	And pretty soon, nobody would work with the FBI.
	Everybody just tried.
	The FBI didn't find anything.
	And the reason I mention this is that the FBI thinks it's got all this authority, but...
	You know, you go in the mountains of western North Carolina, you piss people off, you've got no authority.
	That's right.
	And not only that, but if you think of something, I mean, you know, three words, the Barrett sniper rifle, two miles, two mile range, armor piercing, you know.
	And what is it in North Carolina?
	It's a sense of community.
	Since the community, a lot of the people with the FBI who are living in an urban area where nobody knows anybody, they don't think about that.
	Everybody is divided.
	Nobody is connected with each other.
	They're not sharing the stories of what is happening.
	And so it's easier for them to go into a situation like that and to dominate everybody rather than to go into a community where everybody knows everybody else.
	Well, and not only that, but you should not make mountain people angry.
	I mean, this is something you actually learned in Afghanistan.
	The point you were making was that people are still saying, Joe Biden was still saying this after August 2021 when the government in Kabul collapsed and the Americans fled.
	I mean, you know, the Taliban did not have any, you know...
	Major artillery.
	They didn't have tanks.
	They just had, you know, AK-47s and other weapons.
	Yeah, yeah.
	You mentioned in your op-ed piece here the Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms.
	And I see that that was in July 6, 1775.
	It was about a year before the Declaration of Independence.
	It wasn't Thomas Jefferson's first rodeo to write the Declaration of Independence.
	He was co-author on this with a guy named John Dickinson.
	I don't know anything about John Dickinson.
	Do you know anything about John Dickinson?
	I know a little, but he was very eloquent.
	He had a very good line, you know, seven years earlier, in which he said that the crucial question in colonists' mind is not what evil has actually attended specific measures, but what evil is likely to attend them.
	So, seeing the British actions as warning signs.
	Dickinson, I think he was from Pennsylvania.
	I don't know if he supported the Declaration of Independence.
	I think he might have resisted that.
	But I might be mistaken on that.
	But he was one of the best pamphleteers.
	Okay, not in the same class as Thomas Paine, but nobody was.
	To read that Declaration on Taking Up Arms a few weeks after Bunker Hill, it's fascinating stuff.
	It's bracing, and it focused a lot...
	Hmm. That's interesting.
	So we have the Declaratory Act, it was called 1775, where they say, basically, you don't have any rights.
	Ten years later, they have their Declaration of Independence, where they say, no, we do have rights.
	As human beings, we have rights.
	but the year before that Declaration of Independence comes out and it's after the Bunker Hill so that you have the the declaration of the causes and the necessity of taking up arms and so we see this stuff kind of rolling out and as you look back it's came out
	in kind of a logical sequence of
	Yeah, well, it was important to go step by step, because even as of 1775, I don't know what percentage of Americans were ready to have a clean break with Britain.
	I think Thomas Paine's pamphlets helped a great deal on that cause.
	And it was important to frame the issues in a philosophical way, which is part of the reason that I was using the John Locke quotes here, because this is the prism through which the founders were seeing British action.
	And it was not everything in isolation.
	It was more like, okay, you know, it's more like a snowball going downhill.
	How much further are we going to let the British go?
	And at some point, I mean, so there was the, after the Battle of Bunker Hill, you had the British commander in Boston, General Gage, basically wanted to make it treason for anyone who failed to turn in their firearms to the British,
	and just to leave the Americans in complete abject dependence on their British rulers.
	You know, the British never had a chance to impose that, though they did that.
	Some cities that they controlled.
	But that was how much power the British wanted.
	And that's why it was so important to assume the worst of people that were trying to get absolute power over you.
	Yeah. And that's why we see this founder saying over and over again.
	No free man will ever be disbarred the use of guns and that type of stuff.
	They understood that that was going to be the linchpin of their freedom.
	But they also understood that the pen was mightier than the sword in many respects.
	They had to, through a series of...
	It's good to have both.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You've got to have both of them in tandem.
	And so they built over a period of time, they built this philosophical understanding of...
	The nature of government, the nature of men, the abuse of power, and all the rest of this stuff.
	So they could see where this was going.
	And so you point out that, you know, you got quotes from John Dickinson that, you know, the crucial question is not what evil was actually attended to a particular measure, but what evil was likely to attend them in the future.
	In other words, how are they going to build on this thing?
	This is just the thin end of the wedge, you know, and we understand that as well.
	You know, many times we will look at...
	The principles involved, and I keep going back to what I consider so far to be the worst despotism I've lived under, and that is what happened in 2020.
	You look at this and it's like, okay, so how else are they going to use this?
	And since people in America just kind of walked away, at some point it's like, okay.
	I don't really believe this pandemic is going to kill me.
	I'm going to stop wearing the mask.
	I'm going to stop doing this.
	And people just stopped complying gradually.
	Now, that's great.
	Some places, yeah.
	Some places are still tied up in knots and wearing masks.
	I still see that occasionally.
	But, you know, for the most part, they just kind of stop playing the game.
	But they didn't go back and say, you know, we've got to make sure that never happens again, and we've got to hold these people accountable for what they did to us.
	And that's what I see missing in America today, is that sense of understanding, the sense that people are like, oh, okay, well, that was awful, now that's over with.
	No, it's not over with.
	It's not over with if you leave these people without any accountability, is it?
	Yeah, well, there are so many precedents from the COVID crackdowns and the lockdowns and the mandates, and most of these precedents have not been banished or thrown out of the law books or their regulations.
	And to see how far that the government lied.
	This is coming out a little bit with the exposing the lab leak.
	The cover-up of the lab leak.
	But there was a story I did, I guess, January 21st on...
	See, let me give you my theory on this, Jim.
	Because I even think that the stuff about the lab leak, I think that's an alibi.
	I think they're putting that out there to say...
	We did our best, but we were up against it.
	Everybody was going to die, so we had to lock you down.
	We had to vaccinate you with an untested genetic code injection.
	We had to do all this kind of stuff because, hey, we had this thing out there.
	And I think that that does two things.
	Not only does it hold them harmless, but I think that this lab leak narrative that's being put out there, you've got to ask yourself, I think, Why?
	You now have the establishment hanging on this so heavily when they wanted to suppress that.
	They want everybody to believe this is an organic thing that's running wild.
	Now they've got a lot of different motives for pushing that, and I think one of the motives is that, hey, we may have to do it again.
	You know, we'll come up again, and the next time we'll do it a little bit differently.
	Maybe we'll lock you down harder next time, because, you know, the first time it didn't work, and I've already seen a lot of people talking about it.
	So I'm very suspicious about that.
	I'm a real I'm a real cynic when it comes to viruses and pandemics, and I'm a real cynic when it comes to government.
	When you start putting these two things together, my BS alarms start ringing off the wall.
	Well, that's understandable.
	I mean, the one key for the lab leak theory to me is how it was suppressed was that if people had recognized early on That the COVID was financed by their tax dollars in a reckless way in China,
	and then it got out of the lab by accident or otherwise, it would have been far more difficult for politicians to promenade as saviors.
	Oh, yeah, that's true.
	That's why they had to suppress it at the beginning, yeah.
	You know, when it started in December, I remember looking it up, and I heard this stuff about bat soup and all this.
	Wait a minute.
	Then I saw that the only class bio-level safety for lab in China was in Wuhan, right there at that spot.
	I thought, oh, okay, well maybe it is something
	I mean, you've seen those.
	They need to take some lessons from some stuntmen in Hollywood if they want to take a fall.
	It was the fakest looking stuff I've ever seen in my life.
	And I've been in China, and I know when they showed the crowded hospitals and everything, it's like...
	That's the way it is normally.
	It's not necessarily a different thing.
	So it's kind of crowded chaos as the standard operating procedure in most of these places in China anyway.
	So I got really skeptical about it, but the thing that was a real nail in all of that narrative for me was dark winter.
	And again, tied in with 9-11, just two...
	Two months before 9-11 and then they have the anthrax attack a week later and then they put out the model legislation and practiced it for 20 years.
	So, you know, I looked at all that stuff, and I didn't believe a bit of it, you know.
	And I had talked about the danger of these biosafety-level labs and gain-of-function experiments and everything.
	Back in 2014, there was an excellent series of articles that were done by USA Today.
	And a reporter there, her name was Allison.
	I can't remember her last name.
	But she talked about how there's hundreds of these labs in the United States, typically attached to universities.
	And the bad safety record that they had.
	You know, they're playing with diseases, and they're playing with diseased animals, and they're getting exposed to stuff themselves, the diseased animals.
	So it had credibility with me at the beginning, but I just, I got to the point where I didn't believe any of this stuff.
	Well, I mean, there were so many false statements, and a lot of it was concerted.
	So, I mean, I was tottering the edge of cynicism myself.
	Yeah. And you look at what is happening now, you know, when you – in this case of this guy that gets sent to El Salvador.
	I read your op-ed piece talking about the – The op-ed writer who just gets whisked off of the street and had done nothing other than expressing her political opinion that the government did not like her expressing.
	But, you know, when you look at the situation that's going on with this Garcia guy...
	Yeah, there's some issues there, but they're manufacturing stuff.
	And that's a key thing.
	When they start manufacturing evidence, they start spinning stuff that wasn't there before when they say they made a mistake, and then they come back and they say, no, we didn't make a mistake.
	And look, he's got MS-13 written on his knuckles.
	And they don't annotate it.
	They show you a Photoshop picture of it.
	You know, they're putting stuff out there like that.
	You know, it really does.
	They can't help themselves.
	I mean, they've got to go the extra, you know, they've got to keep adding stuff to it.
	They can't just leave it at one particular thing.
	And that's the key.
	You know, when we look at what happened with...
	You know, the tyranny of the British and everything.
	It was really about executive orders, and that's really the way that Trump wants to operate.
	He wants to declare an emergency, and then he's free to do whatever he wants.
	And every problem that he sees, whether it's economic, whether it's about immigration, or whether it's about, you know, a so-called pandemic or anything.
	It's all about, I declare an emergency, now I can do whatever I want to do, isn't it?
	It certainly worked out well in the past.
	Yeah. You know, I'd like the quote that you end up your op-ed piece with here.
	You say that they understood that in defining a tyrant, it's not necessary to prove that he's a cannibal.
	Yes, I love that line.
	That was from a Virginia Senator John Taylor, who was a cavalry officer for...
	George Washington during the Revolution.
	And he actually wrote several books of political philosophy.
	He did a wonderful book.
	On trade and protectionism called Tyranny Unmasked.
	I think that's where that quote came from.
	But there were just, I mean, it's a different writing style that people had back then.
	And I saw that line and I was just infinitely charmed by it.
	Wasn't it great?
	Yeah, I love that.
	Because it is, you know, somebody doesn't have to be thoroughly bad.
	In other words, a cannibal.
	It's just, you know, this one aspect here.
	They can go down that road, and that's why we have to look at what people do that are in power.
	We look at it as a case-by-case basis, and yet that isn't the case today.
	The case today is that people who are caught up in this left-right paradigm, the Democrats, Republicans, they will have to make a cannibal out of their enemy, right?
	There can be nothing good than that person, right?
	Yeah, and it ties into what Thomas Macaulay said about how people in the early 1800s were viewing Charles I, the king, Stuart King, who was very oppressive.
	But Thomas Macaulay said that people in his time were viewing him well because he had a really nice beard.
	Must have been better than yours or mine.
	I don't know.
	Exonerate a tyrant.
	I remember when I saw that line, what came to mind about it, it doesn't have to prove that he's a cannibal.
	It made me think of Gilbert and Sullivan's Pirates of Penzance.
	A policeman's lot is not a happy one.
	They said when a felon's not engaged in his employment, when he's not otherwise engaged in crime or whatever.
	He loves his little innocent enjoyment.
	Just as great as any honest man, that type of thing.
	So it's like, yeah, these guys, it's difficult as a cop because we see that these guys, they're human after all.
	And so we have to hammer these guys.
	Even though we see their humanity, they don't have to be a cannibal in order for the police to be able to pull them up, I guess, but it still bothered them somewhat, and their conscience are in the imagination of Gilbert and Sullivan, I guess.
	They were kind of outside the establishment themselves.
	I'm not going to say the imagination.
	I mean, most of the police I've known, you know, they didn't lose too much sleep over that.
	That's right.
	Yeah, that was the police as Gilbert and Sullivan would like to see them, you know?
	A kinder, gentler police force that was there.
	Of course, it was also...
	That's right.
	Yeah, where are you?
	It's always great talking to you, Jim.
	Thank you so much.
	And the website is jimbovard.com where people can find your latest...
	Thanks so much for having me on.
	Thanks for...
	It was great to share some insights and some laughs here on a Tuesday morning in these dire political times.
	That's right.
	And it's always great to go back and look at history.
	And see how things have really not changed all that much.
	Thank you so much, Jim.
	Have a good day.
	Thanks. You too.
	Thank you, folks.
	Thank you for joining us.
	So you have a good day as well.
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