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April 10, 2025 - The David Knight Show
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Gold Shines as the World Burns: Chaos Conspiracy Unveiled
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Tony Arteman of Wise Wolf Gold.
Tony has set up DavidKnight.Gold to take you there.
And there you can get...
Well, I guess Tony and I were talking about it.
I guess gold is the asset that weathered this better than anything else.
It started going down.
Even gold was starting to go down before Trump took off the tariffs.
But far less than anything else.
It's been a crazy week, hasn't it, Tony?
Absolutely, it has.
I was looking at the charts and metrics this morning while you were leading up to our interview, and I went back to 2020, David, and I looked back at March 2020.
You had that big market correction.
It was the highest market since the 29 crash, and then lowest since the 29 crash, and then gold and silver went with that market.
So when it dipped, I remember this vividly because I was getting orders, people trying to place orders when everything fell, and supply was pretty much non-existent because nobody was going to fill those orders.
It crashed so hard.
And I look back at that price, and you're talking around $1,500 an ounce.
It dipped into, I believe, the $1,300 range temporarily and then came back up.
But if you look at the timeline here, so that's March of 2020.
And then so we, after that, you have the...
The scamdemic, the lockdowns, you have this 80% of all the dollars ever created in that time frame.
You and I both know what was going on before that, which was massive liquidity creation in the last quarter of 2019.
In the repo market.
I had to look that up.
It's like, what in the world is that?
Are they taking people's cars?
I remember that's the first interview you and I ever had back in the last quarter of 2019.
And so you have that massive currency creation.
Gold stays at about $1,500, $1,600 an ounce.
But when we cross this certain threshold, and it was 2022, and that's when we put the sanctions on Russia after the invasion of Ukraine, and the ruble fell, then it rebounded.
The Russian foreign minister said dollars are candy wrappers.
The world started to de-dollarize.
It was rapid.
It was like a 10% reduction within about a 12-month space, about a year.
And I started watching the metrics on gold, and any market correction, it stabilized.
It didn't go with the market anymore.
So this is something that is new.
I think it's just an anomaly.
I noticed something.
Any other time that the markets have fell, what will happen is you might have a little correction in gold now, but not the big sell-offs that you used to see.
And the reason is because...
People are running towards physical gold and not just people, institutions, governments, multinationals.
They're running towards that because of the uncertainty everywhere.
And gold is showing itself to be the reserve currency of the world once again.
It's just not official yet.
Again, it's over $3,100 an ounce.
And through this, you know, tear of chaos, it held up.
It's really the only thing that did was gold that held up.
I would just disagree with that Russian comment that the dollar is just candy wrappers.
I think it's not candy that's on the inside.
I think it's feces.
I think it's about to hit the fan.
With a lot of help from Trump creating all this chaos.
That's the key thing.
As I said earlier, Tony, this isn't even about terrorists versus free trade or anything else.
This is about the chaos.
The chaos in and of itself is the thing.
You can have any kind of policy that you want.
You can have any kind of tax system that you want.
But it needs to be done in an orderly way rather than just trying to break everything.
And, of course, what we've seen is that there's no patience from Biden, no patience from Trump.
They want to break everything and build it back better.
And it is a deliberate tactic, a deliberate strategy.
We see that when the World Economic Forum talks about it.
We see it when Silicon Valley says you've got to move fast and break things.
They are trying their hardest to break us.
And the worst aspect of this is this flip-flopping chaos, which now we're being told was the plan.
It was the art of the deal.
A technocratic Cloward and Piven is what you're watching, in my opinion.
There's no other explanation.
There's no other explanation.
I was saying off-air to you, we're not a serious nation.
This isn't serious economic policy.
You know, you have the magatards with the art of the deal, art of the deal.
It's not the art of the deal.
We don't look serious.
We're not holding to anything.
And then I talked about last week, you've got this supposed stick and no carrot.
The carrot would be, oh, here's incentives, no tax, no corporate income tax, whatever it would be to make the economic conditions domestically.
Attractive for you to move here and build here.
Markets love certainty.
We're not giving them any certainty.
There's no certainty.
That's why I think there's a phenomenon here that is interesting.
And another point about gold, David, that it's weathered this storm, but it also did something that it's never done against fiat currency.
And you know this better than anybody.
Look at what Jerome Powell, raising interest rates faster than any rate in history.
That was supposed to curb inflation, right?
This transitory inflation, as he and Janet Yellick called it.
But the problem is that when that happens, when interest rates are raised, gold usually falls because it's supposedly strengthened.
That didn't happen either.
So there's two metrics now that we're watching against gold, that it's breaking its patterns of the past.
And the past is usually when markets fall.
Gold goes with it because of paper contracts and other things.
It didn't happen this time, and it didn't fall when the Fed raises interest rates.
The key here is the monetary system is resetting itself.
You talk about a great reset, but it's just resetting itself beyond what I thought it would do, and I think in a much faster timeline.
Well, you know, at the beginning of this chaos, which went on for several days, gold was hanging high.
It was up near its record highs, and it was hanging in there.
And it only started to move down the last couple of days, and a lot of people were saying it got caught in a liquidity trap.
You know, you've got a lot of people out there who are big investors, and they have issues because the stocks are going down.
They've got to cover the calls and things like that.
And so they had to cash in stuff.
You know, just like you were talking about, even as the central banks are buying gold, a lot of individuals have to cash in gold because they need the money.
Because economically, the economy is not doing well.
They're not doing well in things in their life, so they want to sell it.
You know, there might be some profit taking that's going on there.
But in a lot of cases, it's a liquidity crash.
You've got to get rid of it because you just got to have the money, you know.
And so I think that was a big part of why it started trending down towards the end.
There's just that sinking market was pulling everything down.
I'll sell this, I'll sell that, just to get the money to try to, you know, not go bankrupt.
Yeah, and another thing that I think was happening, too, and still gold held a lot of, I mean, most of its strength through this, but the interesting thing to watch is I think there was a lot of big institutional liquidation of their gold holdings to buy the dip.
Of everything else.
True. You know, the Rothschild said, you buy when there's blood in the streets.
So I think a lot of, even just some of that, but it's still, even with that, even with the profit-taking, the liquidation to buy stocks when they're low in the dip, it still didn't bring the price down.
It didn't follow the market.
It didn't do what it has done for the past 50 years.
I think that's a key takeaway here, that we are entering into a new economic world order.
This is something completely different than, you know, this isn't Jim Cramer's world.
It never was.
But it's not, you know, the stock market and everything else built around that and the fiat system, that is being reset.
And of course, as I've said before, I don't like volatility.
One of the things I don't like about Bitcoin is how volatile it is.
And gold was not only hanging in there tough, but it was also the least movement in all of them in terms of volatility.
But now it's coming back as well as gold, silver, stocks, Bitcoin are all rallying now as Trump has reversed himself yet again on these disastrous policies.
How many times do you think he can do this and get away with it?
How many times can he cry wolf over tariff policies?
He did that at the very beginning and then said, oh, well, never mind.
And then put it on a delay and everything.
How many times do you think he can do that and get away with it?
I definitely think if you're China, you just don't take him seriously at this point.
He's not proving himself to be serious.
I'd be surprised if they even try to implement them at all.
The other tariffs.
So I don't think any of that matters.
I think we should look at some other metrics that don't get brought up.
Mortgage-backed securities.
You remember those?
That's what brought down the entire market, the entire financial system in 2008.
Mortgage-backed securities.
$1.2 trillion in mortgage-backed securities are held by foreign nations.
The largest foreign nation holder of those mortgage-backed securities in the United States?
China. You talk about leverage.
That's leverage over the very heartbeat of what the entire U.S. financial system, the so-called American dream, that's the home ownership, the mortgage system.
It's built on that because that's currency creation, that's debt.
We went away from a manufacturing economy and all the stuff that we left and we abandoned.
Back in the mid-20th century, really accelerating under things like NAFTA and such, but that went to an economy based off of debt, based off of currency creation, and that was fueled by the housing market.
That's why it led to the 08 crash.
Was it Hank Paulson, the Treasury Secretary, begging Nancy Pelosi to give him the $750 billion or whatever it was to bail out the banks?
that seems like a really quaint time now like that isn't like that was a big deal to get that you know you remember that oh yeah the times when it was hard you had to fight to get yeah now they just ride it they just you know it doesn't even matter 750 we don't care i mean they threw that kind of stuff
in there in 2019 with the repo market
Yeah, $6 trillion.
Yeah. $6 trillion in that last quarter of 2019 is just absolutely insane.
So not $750 billion, but $6 trillion.
$6,000 billion, if you will.
It's crazy that this all just seems to be accelerating very, very rapidly.
And that's what it's designed to do.
So it is interesting to see.
That, again, gold prices have surged now 3% after Trump temporarily suspended the tariff implementation.
I don't know what it's done today.
But, again, that's a big move for gold to make that.
And, of course, gold has been doing a lot of, you know, it's been going up faster than it typically does, changes that it typically does.
But it's not even, for me, it's not even about the price of gold and fiat dollars.
For me, it's about getting out of this crazy system that is going to be manipulated by the Fed or manipulated by the President.
That's the other thing I said earlier in the show, Tony.
Everybody hates the fact, and rightfully so, that the Federal Reserve Chair can just manipulate the economy with interest rates or whatever he's doing.
So why is it a good thing for the MAGA people when, and they hate the Federal Reserve, right?
They want the Federal Reserve, they want it audited, they want it taken out or whatever.
But then they'll...
Cheer Trump when he manipulates the tariff rates to manipulate the economy and does it single-handedly.
I mean, how is that a good thing?
Art of the deal.
Yeah. Art of the steal is what it really is.
It's not a deal.
It's a steal.
He's stealing this.
He's lifting our wallets while he's patting us on the back and telling us he's our friend.
And, of course, betraying the farmers, you know, the people who were his big supporters.
You know, he betrays his base over and over again.
He betrayed the farmers with the tariffs and ready to do it again, just like he betrayed his supporters on January the 6th and the stop the steal and save America stuff.
I read The Art of the Deal.
It was years ago.
I was on a plane, and I...
Between two airports, and I was going, I forget where I was traveling, I think I was doing a show, and I read The Art of the Deal, and there's a story in there, I just thought of it.
He learned early on, he was dealing with the apartment buildings, and sketchy tenants and landlords, other things, and he postured himself as being like a tough guy, or being kind of crazy or something, like just to...
You know, throw the person off guard, you know, but it was all bluster.
It was all bluff.
Like, he learned that that was a major theme in how you act, you know, how you present yourself, and you've got to put out this persona, and it's kind of a bluff.
This is what we're seeing with all the tariffs and the economic...
I don't see any strategy here other than...
First of all, I think if you zoom out...
This is for something else.
And that's what I've been thinking this whole time.
It's not about the jobs creation.
It's not even about the tariffs.
It's not even about the revenue that you would bring in from the tariffs.
At this point, the lowering of rates, like getting those rates back, because Jerome Powell raised them, and then we've somewhat stabilized the dollar.
We're talking about a strong dollar.
That's all temporary.
It's all fiat currency stuff.
But that is true.
There's a metric there that shows dollar strength.
Trump needs a weak dollar to fuel that casino stock market.
It leverages cheaper goods and other things temporarily until you have the backlash, which is inflation and other things and loss of purchasing power.
But there's a boon.
There's a temporary boon.
So if you line up the timeline, it would seem that if he can keep doing this, it will force the Federal Reserve, because of economic conditions, To lower rates.
And to start lowering rates faster than they would have otherwise.
And, you know, big picture, even zooming out further...
And that's what a lot of these people have been saying.
Oh, he's a genius.
His real plan is to put the economy into a recession so they'll lower the rates.
Oh, that's great.
Right. It's like the commander in Vietnam.
We had to destroy the village in order to save it.
That's the kind of logic there.
But I think there's a much deeper strategy on that part.
If you're going to get the rates lowered, which is really bad in the long term because that's currency creation, and then again it continues to fuel that fake, the infrastructure of fake and all that, it creates bubbles and it crashes.
We're at 125% debt to GDP.
When you hit 130, No nations ever, no modern economy, the currency system, the financial system itself doesn't survive.
And we're going to be surpassing that, even 130 very soon.
So that's where you talk about the implementation of the central bank digital currency or whatever you want to call it now.
Whatever that is, the centralized system, the reorganizing of the dollar digitally.
That's how you would bring it in.
There's got to be a pretext for them to reset the financial system.
So to me, this is all part of the great reset.
It's just a different side of the coin.
I agree.
Thomas Massey was saying, he was voting against this bill that Trump and Johnson wanted to put through, and he says, no, we're going to wind up doubling the debt a decade, basically.
And it's kind of game over.
But going back to what you were saying about the art of the deal, I think it's kind of interesting that that guy who was the ghostwriter for it has gone on one program after the other talking about how much he regrets that.
And I think he said, if I had it to do over again, he said, I'd like to rename the title of the book The Sociopath, I think is what he called it.
Not Psychopath, I think Sociopath.
And you're talking about the bluffing and the other things that were going on there.
Remember when Trump Called up that radio station and he pretended that he was somebody else in order to praise himself.
That's basically, I thought about that and I thought, yeah, that's basically what Peter Navarro did with his economist, Ron Vera, you know, that he created with an anagram of his name.
He created this to praise himself.
It's like, I imagine when Trump...
I saw that.
It's like, yeah, that's my guy.
We think alike.
Trump had a guy.
He had a persona called John Barron.
And that's funny because he named his son Barron.
It was John Barron and he would call in and he would call magazines as his publicist and say, you know, this is who he's dating.
He's really having a great time.
It's interesting.
And they have recordings of him.
It's his voice and the lady was a different reporter.
They was calling to To dish out on himself to make him seem some more important.
That's really, really interesting.
That's who's running this country.
Well, hey, they always knew who he was.
And, you know, when Wilbur Ross went there for the Rothschild Bankers, he said, you know, he had this entourage of people that were all around him, goes, I think we can use this guy.
Let's not foreclose on him.
I think we can use him, and I think he is being used by a lot of these people to get exactly what they want.
On Rumble, Soylent Goy says, you put your terror foot in, you put your terror foot in, and you shake it all about.
You do the Trumpy Dumpy, and you turn yourself around.
That's what it's all about.
It is a song and dance, isn't it?
He is an entertainer.
Are you not entertained, as they would say?
It's absolutely crazy the way this whole thing is set up.
But yeah, there's going to be a lot more of this.
It's going to be on the way.
But I mean, I thought about you last week as gold was popping up, and I thought, I bet you are really busy trying to work with this stuff, especially after it dipped.
I thought, well, it's on sale.
I said that to everybody.
Get it now.
It's on sale.
Just like it was with the Trump stuff.
When we hit that dip, the phones were ringing.
We've been busy.
And I'm thankful for it.
There's a lot of people that do need to sell right now because times are tough.
There's always fallout from market uncertainty and the drying up of liquidity and other things.
It really hurts people.
It affects people on a basic human level.
So I understand that.
Yeah, we've been doing okay.
It's been busy.
I think the main thing for me is staying ahead of the price restructuring is really tough right now.
Just making sure that I can always cover the spread and staying as lean as I can because you get wiped out housing too much of that inventory because of these markets.
That's not just my business.
That's every business.
But it's really uncertain right now.
And the markets are showing you that.
They're showing you the uncertainty.
I would say, too, with Bitcoin, Bitcoin held up nicer than I thought.
I mean, even with it's 81,000 today and I dipped into the mid-70s and then up into the 70s, I thought with everything that's gone on with the amount of correction…
It's not gold.
Not at all.
But it didn't do some of the same type of corrections like you saw in 2020.
How did it do compared to stuff like Ethereum and things like that, other cryptos, even the big ones like Ethereum?
It did better.
Ethereum and others, there's nothing that's really held up like Bitcoin.
They're all down.
The entire crypto market.
But Bitcoin...
At least last time I checked, it's held better.
Its metrics are a bit better than the other cryptos.
Well, we've got some comments here on Rumble on KWD 68. Thomas Sowell and David Stockman have both opined on tariffs in the last week.
I take what they say over Trump and his billionaire Zionist opinions.
Yeah, and Thomas Sowell was talking about how it's the chaos, stupid, you know, to paraphrase.
Clinton's a guy there, but it really is the chaos.
It's the uncertainty.
Angry Tiger says weak dollar causes the Cantillon effect.
Good for...
I guess that's right.
Have you heard of that, Tony?
The Cantillon effect?
He defines it as good for the people on the top, bad for the people in the middle, and on the bottom.
And certainly, when we look at this, that signal, all uppercase, now's a good time to buy the stocks.
I mean...
You know, if you're going to have dictatorial powers where you can move markets with the words that you've got out there, that is a real trap for Trump, whether he is intentionally doing insider trading or whether he's just shooting from the hip, as he always likes to do.
Because it certainly does look like insider trading, doesn't it?
There's so much entangling.
I mean, you go back to just the meme coins.
I thought that was very dangerous, especially given your influence as a public figure and an elected official.
Anybody that knows anything about those kind of coins, you never put your name on that.
It's a pump and dump.
People are going to get burned by it.
They're going to flood in at the top of the market.
That's going to get sold off, and then you're going to be left holding the bag thinking there's a little bit more.
And it was up to like $70-something dollars is now down to $9 at the end of the last week.
If you ever hear me shilling a meme coin, it's...
Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
I'm not the same person.
It's a clone of some kind.
So we're not going to have a Tony Coyne that's out there?
No. If you see Tony Coyne, don't buy it.
It's not me.
Well, I've been saying this last week.
When we look at Doge and everything, that's basically a red herring that's out there.
It's calling it Wag the Doge because it really is.
Hey, look at this over here.
Don't pay attention to what I'm doing over here in this area.
And I think, well, of course, on other things, let's talk about what's going to happen to gold if we have a war with Iran, because that may break out this weekend.
That'd be the next thing, all the juggling plates that he's got going.
The next spectacle from Trump is probably going to be war with Iran this weekend.
What do you think?
That's a great question.
You're going to have, I think, price of energy is going to skyrocket, price of crude, uncertainty, oil supply, all of that, straight-of-whore moves.
That all is affected by conflict.
Price of gold, I believe, continues to rise at that point.
Yeah, sorry.
That's okay.
Price of gold continues to rise, I believe, in that scenario, David.
I think that it...
Or the markets will liquidate and go into gold because of uncertainty.
Iran touches a lot of things.
The periphery of Iran is Russia and China.
And the control of the oil there, there's so many underlying issues that affect that strike on Iran.
And it could turn into something much, much wider, which is what I've been talking about.
We might turn our attention away from Ukraine temporarily or take the emphasis off that.
That's maybe why Trump's here, because the right will accept, well, the so-called right will accept that war.
It's like Goldilocks War is what I called it.
I mean, the right didn't like Ukraine.
The left doesn't like war with Iran.
But the right certainly gets behind that because of Israel.
And, you know, just doing Israel's, the AIPAC lobby's bidding there in the Middle East.
And so it makes no sense for us to do anything in that region.
That's probably why we will.
That's right.
Yeah, we look at the defense budget.
They're boasting.
At the same time, they're enacting austerity programs for everybody and pushing the panic buttons.
They're saying, well, we just did a trillion-dollar defense budget, right?
It wasn't that long ago that he said, hey, I'm going to talk to Russia and China, see if they'll cut their defense budgets in half.
So will we.
And then he increases it by 12%.
I mean, all this stuff is just nonsense.
And no matter what he does.
They cheer it.
Oh, look, he's going to cut the defense budget by 50%.
That's good.
Oh, now he's going to increase it by 12%.
That's good.
We need to be strong.
It's like, you know, okay, it's just whatever Trump does.
They focus on it.
But yeah, that's the key thing, I think, is that it's going to have some effect financially, but like I said, I don't really...
It's good to see things moving in this direction.
It's good to see gold going up, but it's not really, for me, it's not about the price of gold and dollars.
It's really about getting something that's outside of their system.
It's really about prepping.
When you start talking about a war with Iran and knock-on consequences of that, even if that war doesn't come to our shore, it's going to have tremendous economic consequences for us.
And globally.
You could put the world into a recession or even a depression because of the disruption in that area.
But it could have much bigger consequences.
And of course, when we look at the size of Iran versus the size of Iraq, there's a reason that they've talked a long time about attacking Iran but haven't done it.
But now he's massing all of these stealth bombers and Diego Garcia, that island, I think they've got the so-called unsinkable aircraft carrier, because it's just basically a big landing strip, you know.
But they've amassed all their strategic bombers.
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised to see them kick this nonsense off over the weekend.
Well, I wouldn't either.
It's going to be an absolute tragedy that we haven't downgraded and abandoned that failed policy in the Middle East.
No, we like to double and triple down.
It's just what we do.
You get different lip service from Mm-hmm.
body um whoever runs that whether it's saddam hussein slant drilling into kuwait um or the kuwaitis slant drilling into iraq bio from whoever runs it i don't care i never thought and by the way the whole map was drawn up by winston churchill
you know drinking scotch after the first world war you know that it's not even real they just you know it's a the maps are all the artificial the artificial constructs especially things like kuwait kind of paraphrase what he's
said to that woman, she said, you, sir, are drunk.
He says, yes, but in the morning, I'll be sober, and you'll still be ugly or whatever.
In the morning, I will be sober, but we'll still have all these different countries and the maps that I've drawn.
He just literally just drew it up, you know, after the First World War, and
I remember being in Afghanistan, and they said, Arterburn, we're going to put you on a special detail, and you can go out to the tarmac.
I said, okay, we've got a high-profile you're going to fly around with, and we're going to go to a different point, like special operations bases in Afghanistan.
Anyway, I turned around, and it was Tommy Franks, the four-star general.
And I never felt like safer when I was like, this plane isn't going to crash.
So I just relaxed.
And he was joking around with everybody.
And I look out on the wing, there's an F-16 on each side just escorting this plane.
And we would land at these remote bases and just like really near Iran.
You know, like we would go in.
I mean, just it was so close.
And anyway, some of the border issues.
And I remember looking at the meme
Look how close they put their country to our military bases.
And that's true.
This has been in the works for a very, very long time.
It seems like if you even watch the movie that Oliver Stone did on George W. Bush with Dick Cheney's character, he goes and looks at the map and it's everything they're talking about, the seven countries in five years and all that, the neocon fever dream.
It always ends with Iran.
So that is there.
And Iran is not in the region, whatever they call it, the leading state sponsor of terror or whatever that means.
It's just ridiculous.
Like it hasn't invaded anybody.
I mean, just upending civilizations and toppling governments.
How did Iran become an Islamic radical government?
Operation Ajak.
It was Shah.
And you look at, you remember Netanyahu going to the UN with his Acme Wile E. Coyote bomb thing in the background.
He just had the little thing, it was like, Yeah, I think Netanyahu needs to relearn what the word imminent means.
I mean, I guess on a long enough timeline.
He's telling me in 93 that it's imminent that Iran gets the bomb.
Well, it's an 80-year-old technology at this point.
I mean, it's an old technology.
How do you stop nuclear proliferation at this point?
It's an old technology, and I guess, yeah, it's...
It's inevitable, but what does that mean for us?
Nobody ever really asks that.
So if Iran gets the bomb, so what?
The lesson learned about all of this, and I guess I'm deviating into foreign policy, the lesson learned that we teach nations is that no nation that's ever possessed nuclear weapons has ever been invaded.
So when you don't have a nuke, that's the race.
Instead of setting the conditions for peace, We topple governments and nations that don't possess nuclear weapons.
So the race is always to produce another horrible weapon to ensure, you know, mutually assured destruction.
Well, everything the U.S. government does is about perverse incentives, isn't it, pretty much?
It's whether you're talking about domestic policy or economic policy or you're talking about geopolitics.
Politics, it's all perverse incentives.
You're right, we incentivize people to do that.
And when you look at the ridiculous claims that Netanyahu's been making over decades, it's kind of like the climate change predictions, right?
Well, the world's going to end, you know, because of climate change.
He's kind of like the, he is to Iran like Al Gore is to climate change.
The major networks and because of the military-industrial complex and APAC and all of that, nobody ever asked the question, why is it a mortal threat?
Why is it an existential crisis if Iran has any kind of weapon?
What does that matter to us?
What does that have to do with American security?
It doesn't.
So then you have to ask yourself, who does it threaten?
Well, it threatens Israel.
And that's where we're back to that.
The insane times in which we live.
You and I were talking before the election.
What's the best outcome here?
A Harris win, you get X. I think more draconian moves against crypto and other things.
I think gold would have been probably higher today.
A Harris win, we'd have a different market.
But we'd be seeing probably a...
A lead-in to a conflict with Russia.
It's exactly what you've been saying.
This is the reverse ticket, but we might get war with everybody.
The dominoes fall very quickly.
If you know anything about diplomacy and history, you read the Guns of August by Barbara Tuckman about the lead-up to World War I. They literally couldn't stop the war.
It's one of the things that Kennedy was reading during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
He was reading Barbara Tuckman.
He decided to try to stop the dominoes.
He did that back-channel communique with Khrushchev to replace the missiles in Turkey with the missiles in Cuba.
We just don't have that type of mindset now.
That's terrifying.
Who in the White House is going to stop the war?
I don't know if they know what they're doing at this point.
If they're going to be just pushing all these buttons, especially with the This should be an alarm bell in the night.
This tariff policy, so-called Liberation Day, I mean, how do you announce something that's supposed to be remembered as one of the greatest days in American history and then delay it?
That's right.
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
It's just absolute nonsense.
You know, you talk about kicking off a war, starting it, and then, you know, now we can't stop it.
We can't get it back.
And, of course, we've seen that economically with inflation.
How many times as the government causes the inflation when printing money and everything, how many times have they done that and then they can't pull that thing back in?
They push Humpty Dumpty off the wall, and then all the king's men can't figure out how to put them together again.
And so we see this over and over again with the policies that they do, whether it's inflation or whether it's war, these other things, they create these problems, they break stuff.
Government is very good at breaking things.
It's very poor at fixing them afterwards.
And so this whole thing, when I had a guy from Mises Institute earlier this week, and we talked about one of his books that he had for children was The Broken Window, talking about the broken window fallacy.
And when I look at all this cheering about Trump and the tariffs and all the rest of stuff, to me, that's basically just a broken window fallacy.
We're going to break all this stuff and it's going to be great because then we're going to build it back better.
And it's just...
People should be very concerned about What is being pushed?
And I really do think that it is intentional chaos designed to break things and bust it.
And they pull in one guy who takes one approach to it.
They pull in another guy who takes a different approach.
But the end game for both of them is to break everything.
I think that's the bottom line.
Well, tell us again.
You've been really busy with the...
We had gold go temporarily on sale.
This last couple of days, and it's been a lot of economic activity.
Tell us a little bit about Wise Wolf Gold, what's happening there.
We're just continuing to supply our members at Wolfpack and all our direct sales and try to get orders out as fast as I can.
That's always top priority.
I guess the upside to watching the current leadership on the economy is that I redouble my efforts, rededicate my efforts for discipline and not being all over the place.
Actually making good, sound fiscal decisions, cutting out waste, things like that, staying lean to weather market uncertainty, not getting over-leveraged.
I'm learning.
I guess at some level, this is good for me.
This is a great lesson.
This is not what not to do, so I'm going to not do what the...
So-called leaders are doing right now.
We're going to be around.
God willing, I'll be here next year.
Just taking good care of our customers.
We've got lots of great deals over on Wolfpack.
Started that Sigma Wolf program at $750.
I know not everybody can afford $750 a month, but you can also do one-time purchases all the way across the board.
Some $50 a month all the way up to $5,000.
That's just on Wolfpack.
I have Wise Wolf Bitcoin in play.
We can take your orders on that if you want to set up a Bitcoin wallet or buy Bitcoin or use Bitcoin to buy gold and silver.
We're the only broker in America that's no fee.
I treat Bitcoin as cash.
Nobody does that.
So we've made a lot of good moves in the last six months.
Sometimes I forget how much we've actually done because it doesn't seem like I'm on a hamster wheel.
But we have done a lot.
So I'm really proud of my crew and staff.
I'll tell you, I don't know how you do it with all the fluctuations in price that we see and all that kind of stuff.
I was just talking earlier about a guy who has a...
Tattooed needle supply business and how difficult it's going to be for him with all of a sudden, boom, get hit with a 104% tariff.
This kind, and it's such a challenging environment for people, whatever kind of business that they're in, because you never know what's going to happen to the supply chain.
You never know what's going to happen to prices and constantly in this state of flux.
I mean, that's what's so damaging about all this stuff is the chaos and the flux that Trump is doing.
And that's why I say it's intentional.
A lot of people I think he's intentionally trying to put us into a recession so he can get pressure on the Fed to lower the interest rates, and that's genius.
It's like, no, it's not.
It's criminal.
It's criminal, but the end does not justify the means.
Just because you want to lower interest rates does not justify you putting people out of business and harming people individually like this.
And so, you know, my hat's off to you.
I know you've got a very difficult thing to do to try, all small businesses do, try to stay in business with what is happening.
And, of course, provides challenges for all of us.
that's why i say i want to try to get out of this chaos market you know if you one of the things you can do to get away from chaos is is gold he's going to have an effect on gold but not as much as most other assets that you could have out there
right so uh that's part of it is to um to have some stability this there but again
And I can tell you, as someone who has been canceled and Financially banned, cancelled on social media and stuff like that.
You know, to have PayPal and Venmo and others shut us down and say you can't do business.
I know what that's like and I know that's coming.
That's their design for everybody.
That's why I'm looking at gold.
I don't really care about, I do care about the price, but I don't care about the price compared to that.
You can't put a price tag on that.
Being outside of their system where they can destroy you.
Well, I would just add before we close, I think there is some upside to the price increasing.
It increases the infrastructure of gold production, the ubiquity of coinage and other things and the access because it incentivizes the market to get those out there.
And it helps us be outside of the system.
It helps the supply chain for gold because the mining sector and other things.
The decline of fiat currency worldwide and pouring into monetary metals like gold is a good thing and I think will serve to create that infrastructure that's outside of the financial system.
You can hold physical metals.
I think that's an upside here too.
That's right.
Well, you've got a program that immediately follows ours.
Is that on for today?
That's on for today.
You can go to my ex at Tony Arterburn or the America Unplugged channel over on Rumble and it's the Arterburn radio transmission.
We'll have an interesting conversation based on today's headlines.
Good. We need to get you on kick.
Yeah, that'd be good.
So I could just kind of hand it off there.
Travis is telling me that you just kind of hand off one program to the other one if you're on kick.
Okay. But that's great.
Well, thank you so much, Tony.
Thank you for your support of this program.
And folks, look, just keep your options open and understand that the finances are always important, but it's also important to have some prepping to be outside of this rigged system.
And they could be rigging it to go down, and that certainly is a possibility.
Thank you so much, Tony.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you, David.
Have a good day, and people check out his Artaban Unplugged right after this show.
we'll be right back.
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