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Feb. 28, 2025 - The David Knight Show
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GeeseBusters Busts Bird Flu Hoax: Wild Birds are Thriving
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Joining us now is Geese Busters.
I've seen his name up there for the longest time.
I thought it was such a clever name.
I don't want to say Geesebusters, Geesebusters.
And so he's been a long-term listener and supporter of this program.
And he is somebody who has always worked with wild birds.
And I really wanted to get his take on this.
Of course, he's also sent me some articles about things that were happening.
Long Island with the duck farms and stuff like that.
And he is somewhere in that general vicinity.
So we're just now starting to see news articles for the first time about wild birds dying in mass.
Supposedly 20 dead birds were found in Long Island.
So that proves that there's a bird flu epidemic out there, doesn't it?
We'll talk about that.
But joining us now is Rob at Geese Busters.
Thank you for joining us.
Great to see you.
Thank you very much for having me on the show today and allowing me to get my story out there.
Well, thank you.
We were talking during the break and he was saying, you know, gave me a good tip about our bird that was attacked by a hawk, I think, because the hawks are really back now.
They kind of disappeared and none of them have succumbed to the bird flu because they're back.
They're back in massive numbers, and evidently one of the birds got out of the coop area, and so there was a real kerfuffle that was going on here, and a bit bloody and missing some feathers, but survived, and Rob was saying to use a clicker when we feed them, and that way they'll come back to that sound if we need to get them to come to us real quickly.
That's a great idea.
Of course, the clicker training has been around for quite some time for all kinds of animals, hasn't it?
And also, if the bird is a little bloody, a little Neosporin on the cut will heal it right away.
Oh, good, good.
I've noticed that.
I had a turkey one time that they fought, and there was blood all over.
They were fighting, and I put some Neosporin on the bird, and the bird was healed a few days later.
Wow.
So that will take care of any cut and any infection the bird might get.
Same stuff that we take.
Neosporin.
Yeah, that's great.
Well, Rob, you certainly know birds and wild birds.
That's been your life's work.
Tell us a little bit about how you got into this.
Before we get into it, just kind of give the story and tell us a little bit about what it was all about.
I've always had a background with birds as a kid.
I've always raised game birds, bobwhite quail, ring-necked pheasant.
I used to buy the eggs, and I used to incubate them.
And after they got to a certain age, then I would release them into the woods.
And I'd do this for years.
So I've always had that background, and I always had that love for birds.
So as time went on, I worked for, you know, Parks Department.
So I had a background of, you know, outdoor, you know, parks.
Good behavior, always around that time.
But back in around 1998, I met a woman.
She was Chinese.
And we had a lot in common.
And she took me to China.
And I decided to go to China with her.
I went to China three times, starting in 2002. Matter of fact, I went one year from the anniversary date in 9-11.
And, you know, I didn't buy any of that fear stuff that was being out.
We didn't either.
We chose to fly back with our daughter from China on 9-11 because we knew that it would be easier for us to get a flight on that day.
And it was like the fifth anniversary.
It was like fifth anniversary.
So everybody's like talking about, oh, no.
And I was like, yeah, we don't have to worry about it.
Absolutely.
I mean, the airports were dead.
I couldn't believe it.
It was great.
No lines, anything.
So it was quite interesting.
When I first arrived to China, it was really different.
People were telling me, God, you're out of your mind to go there.
And I went by myself.
She was already in China, so I met her there.
And I took the flight, the 17-hour flight by myself.
And when I arrived there, it was like night and day.
It was a really different type of a feeling.
So I went there with an intention to do a business there.
I was raising turkeys, and I was thinking about doing a turkey business in China, since there was no turkey meat in China.
They never heard of turkey.
They only had chickens.
And I decided maybe to set up a little farm there and sell my product to restaurants in Beijing.
So I learned the business out in Long Island from a farmer out east.
And this was just something I wanted to do in China.
I mean, it was all opportunities to do business.
And I had a bird background, so I tried to get together with her and a few other government people.
And the government actually offered me 20 acres for $2,000 a year, right next to a lake.
It was a great price.
There was no regulations.
You could build anything you want on the property.
They would actually supply the incubators for me.
They took me to a facility where there were these huge incubators.
And they also took me to a purine factory where the feed was being processed.
So I had everything I wanted in China to do this business, and we were ready to go do it.
And then all of a sudden, bird flu hit China.
And this was when I first heard about it.
And they culled, I don't know how many millions of chickens in China.
So I backed out of that business right away.
And thank God, who knows, they might have would have blamed me for it.
Publicly execute you.
It's funny that they didn't have turkeys.
I mean, I guess they weren't indigenous to the area or something, but they eat everything.
I mean, when we were there, they had items on the menu.
We used to laugh about it.
Fish lips.
I mean, every part of every animal that you can imagine.
And we went to KFC once when we were there, and we got drumsticks, and they were little, tiny drumsticks, and they were white meat.
And it's like, what?
What is this about?
I don't know.
It wasn't a chicken.
It was something else.
I don't know what it was.
But it was really tiny, and it had white meat, and it was very, very thick on the end.
And we just kind of called it Kentucky Fried Creatures.
So we figured we didn't know what we were eating.
David, I couldn't eat the food there.
The food was horrible.
Oh, yeah.
That's why we went to KFC to try to find something that we could relate to.
I lived at KFC McDonald's.
Pizza Hut, those were the only restaurants that were there.
But I tried eating that food, and I just couldn't eat it.
That was a big problem.
I mean, all the stuff we throw out in the garbage, they're eating it.
When you go into a restaurant, it's like a fish aquarium when you walk in.
You pick out whatever you want to eat.
They had all kinds of stuff, spiders, everything you can think of in a tank.
Oh, I know.
It was like a pet shop, you know?
We were there with my daughter, and we're walking down the street, and, you know, she doesn't speak English yet, but she was almost five years old, and just a couple months shy.
And we turn a corner, and this smell of rotting fish just hits us like a brick.
And then she starts pulling and goes, oh, oh, oh.
She wanted to go there to eat, and we're like, let's get out of here.
Get and stand the smell.
And they just are spreading it out on the street.
You know, they're just laying this stuff out on the street.
And so, you know, you look at that, and you wonder.
They said they had bird flu.
You've got to wonder if it was maybe something else.
I mean, if they eat like that.
Then I wonder what they're doing with the birds and how they're feeding them.
I don't know.
What did you think about that when you saw that in the early 2000s?
What was the year?
About 2002 or something like that?
It was about 2002, 2003 when they came out with bird flu there.
I just didn't bother doing that business and dropped it.
But how I got into this business...
Sorry, I hear the bird out here must have gotten out again.
We've got an issue that's going on here.
Yeah, yeah.
But we're fine.
We're fine.
Whistle's going to go take a look at it.
So that ended the business there.
I mean, what were they doing with bird flu?
They're just massive killing of...
Yeah, from what I heard, they were also just slaughtering them and just trying to wipe out the disease that way.
So that was the first I've ever heard of that.
So, you know, when they said they had SARS, Around that same time, 2002 and everything.
And that's when everybody started wearing the mask, you know, throughout Asia.
And everybody started putting on the mask.
Everybody, whatever the Chinese do, they would follow them, you know.
So if you got bird flu, somebody says you got bird flu, just kill them all, right?
If you say that you got some kind of a new coronavirus, then everybody wears a mask.
And it was right about that time that I told people five years ago.
I found the research that was done.
And they had done a study of masks, and as it was becoming fashionable, and they saw people in China and Hong Kong doing it all the time, they said, you know, in New South Wales, they referenced a study that had been done, and they said masks don't make any difference whatsoever.
And so they said, if you tell somebody that this mask is going to protect them from a disease, we're going to come after you with a $100,000 fine.
And so I... I referenced that study that they referenced.
I told people about that.
And yet here, you know, 20 years later, we've got, you know, the U.S. government is doing that to us.
And, of course, on the boxes it says it doesn't protect you from any disease.
So they cover themselves, and they all know it.
But the vast majority of Americans are not in on the gag.
When I was in China, everybody was wearing masks.
But the reason why they were wearing masks was the filth, the dirt that was in the air.
And that's the main reason that they were using masks is because of all the dirt in the air.
The place was filthy.
I never saw a blue sky in China when I was there.
It was just like a gray overcast.
You'd hardly even see the sun peeking through.
But it was mostly the filth and the dirt in the streets, because people would be riding bicycles, and everybody would have masks on just to protect from all the dust particles that they'd breathe in as they're driving their bicycles.
Oh, yeah.
But there was nothing to do with disease back then.
That's right.
I remember in 2020, people were talking about it, and we had John Rapoport, who said, Of course there's respiratory illness in Wuhan.
It's probably the most polluted city anywhere on Earth.
Because you basically can cut the air with a knife.
Of course they're going to have respiratory illness there.
It's not necessarily anything that's novel or new.
Yeah, every day was just like a thick haze.
You couldn't see half a mile away.
That was every day like that.
And then in the morning, as soon as daylight, all you hear is horn honking.
You know, horn honking until the sun went down and he stopped hearing the horns blowing.
But that was another thing, driving in China.
I got myself an international driver's license, and I was going to drive in China when I got there.
But forget about it.
When I saw the way they drive, I wouldn't even consider getting into a car driving there.
Yeah, it's a free-for-all.
Nobody uses the brake.
They just use the gas.
They either hit the gas harder, they hit it soft.
And they go through intersections with no traffic lights, and there's no traffic jams.
They just go right through it.
Yeah, that is interesting.
You know, it makes us dependent.
You know, the lanes and the traffic lights and everything make us dependent.
If you go back and you look at YouTube and you look at old videos of early 20th century and stuff where they're first bringing in cars up to the 20s and the 30s even in some places, and you see there's no lanes and everybody's just kind of floating all over the place, right?
And, you know, it's just...
You know, people are not surprised because somebody's over in their lane.
And so they're paying more attention than we do, right?
And that's kind of a hallmark of it.
But, of course, in China, that's the way everything is.
And the traffic was amazing in terms of the concentration.
It was just go.
Just go.
Don't even hit your brake.
Just keep going.
And that's the way it was in China.
So I didn't bother getting in a car that you had in your mind to drive in China.
So you come back from China, and is that when you began your Geesebusters business?
Yeah, well, during my travels in China, we drove past the park, me and her, and we noticed birds flying in a park, but they were kites.
And we went over there, and I said there was a few men flying the kites, and they looked so real.
So we went to the park, and I went to it several times.
I learned about these eagle kites, and I learned how to fly them.
I learned how to build them.
And she had a cousin also that made them, and I started to buy them and bring them back to the U.S. So when I tested one when I got back from China, I went to a local park in my area, and as soon as I put this bird up in the air, what I have is a three-dimensional legal.
It's got a six to seven foot wingspan, and I have a handle about the size of a steering wheel in your car.
And in the middle of the rear, the reel, I have ball bearings in it, where it spins very fast in both directions.
So what I do is I hook the neck of the bird to the line, fishing line, 15-pound test, and I'll pull out maybe 100 yards of line.
And when I turn the handle, the bird goes straight up into the air vertically.
And as soon as it goes up over the treetops, every bird in the vicinity of a half a mile to a quarter of a mile takes off.
So I was stunned when I first put this up on the Long Island Park.
So, you know, let's face it, most inventions are done by accident.
And I'd have to agree, this was definitely an accident.
So when I ended up putting this thing up...
It was just stunning.
My eyeballs fell out of my head when I saw what it did.
So after I saw what I had, I went into different locations all over the island.
Her and I took videos, and we tried it on all different types of birds.
And also, and everything, the outcome was the same.
Every bird was horrified and took off completely.
So then I realized that I really have something here.
And then I decided to go out and apply for a patent.
So I ended up, after four years, I did receive a patent.
And I was very fortunate to have this idea protected for all these years.
But that's how I started the business.
And what I did is I used a whistle when I scared the birds.
So now, before I frighten the birds...
I used the whistle.
I launched the eagle.
And now every bird in the area is now conditioned to hear the sound of a whistle.
Either a seagull, a goose, any type of a bird will take off immediately when they hear this whistle.
So it's all about conditioning.
And that's really how I started this business.
And then I went out and I started handpicking my customers.
And, you know, this is where I am today.
That's really cool.
I never had to advertise, David.
When I first looked for my golf courses, my first golf course was Donald Trump's course up in Westchester.
So the way I got that job is I called the greenskeeper, and I said to him, I said, hey, look, I got a new method of ridding birds.
I said, I guarantee my method.
I said, if I don't get rid of your birds, I don't want your money.
So the guy, like, a little chuckled and laughed because how impossible it is to get rid of geese.
He said, sure, come on up and give me a demo.
So then I went up there the following day, and he was there with his number two man.
And I went out in the middle of the course and drove this eagle right out in the middle of it.
And he had probably about 500 to 1,000 geese scattered all over his golf course.
And this was a huge 18-hole course.
And it's all migratory geese because he's ready to open up in April.
Beginning of April, I think it was, or tail end of March.
So the greenskeeper wanted these birds out of here.
When he saw this thing go up, him and the other guy couldn't believe it.
I heard him whispering.
So he came over to me and he says, this is great.
He says, okay, you start tomorrow.
He says, just bring a proposal, he said.
So that's how I got into Trump's golf course.
The rest was history after that.
So I saw quite of entertainment on that golf course, I should say, David.
You know, all the people that were members there.
I think at the time when I was there, I think it was a quarter of a million dollars just to be a member there.
And that didn't include greens fees or anything.
That was the price just to be a member there.
I used to see people like Will Smith, and he used to play every day out there.
Tom Brady from the Patriots, he would be out there all the time.
Joe Torrey.
So I saw them all out there.
Of course, I saw Bill Clinton one time out there.
And they actually closed the course for Bill Clinton.
Secret Service.
Did you see Jeffrey Epstein?
Well, I didn't know what he looked like back then.
He wasn't really in the news, but I can almost guarantee you he had to be a member up there if he played golf.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They were all out there.
Trump would be out there, and he'd be teeing off.
He'd always be the first person to tee off.
He tees me off, but still to this day, you know?
Yeah.
You know, I see Bill Clinton and they closed the place.
It was just him and the Secret Service out there.
And he was playing at the time, I believe it was the president of Singapore.
He was playing a round of golf with.
And nobody would have known that except me and maybe another handful of workers that were there that day.
But he's a terrible golfer, in my opinion.
The way he swings a golf.
Bill Clinton.
You could tell this guy never played golf in his life.
I don't know what he was doing out there.
It was funny.
I had some video of him playing, and mysteriously it was stolen out of my van one day.
My camera was taken with all my Trump video, all my video from China, and my Geesebuster shirts were stolen out of my van.
But that was all.
They left the TV, they left everything else in there, the radio.
But those were the only things that were taken out of the van.
So it was great video, but I don't have it anymore.
So when you would go out there, you have that very realistic model of an Eagle, and you would fly it for...
Quite a bit.
You're blowing the whistle to condition the birds.
How long would you have to fly the eagle and condition the birds before, presumably, I guess you would hand off the whistle to somebody there?
How would that eventually?
When I go into a new place, say I go into a school district, David, the place is infested with geese.
Say the school has six or eight, a district has six or eight schools in it.
What I would do is I would go there and I get there before the geese arrive.
So what I do is I lay this eagle down and I'll pull out my line.
And I know they're going to be coming in.
And I just wait.
As soon as I hear a honk coming, I'll put my coffee down.
I pull out my handle.
And as soon as they're coming in for a landing, I turn the handle and the bird drives completely right out of their feeding spot.
And what they're doing is they do...
It's like they hit a brick wall when they see this thing going up, and they do a complete U-turn, and I'm hitting them with a whistle as they're leaving.
So they're getting conditioned with the sound of the whistle with this fear.
And they get so scared, they actually, you can see the crap coming out of them in the air.
So I've actually had goose crap on my windshield, you know, which is almost impossible to get, but it happens to me.
So that's how frightened these birds are.
So that's the whole idea is to get them before they land.
So once they land, they get used to the location, they start to feed, and they'll come back the next day because they know they're not disturbed.
But when you attack them with the eagle before they land, you put an end to this coming in because they'll always remember the next time they fly over that field, it may be empty, but they know that eagle could be around it.
And then they'll bypass it and move on to another location.
So with a school district, I'll do this, and I'll do six or seven schools.
And I'll just run around for maybe two hours, like a bread route, where I make sure nothing's in there.
And by 9.30, 10 o'clock in the morning, my day is over.
Whatever geese are in the area, they're pretty much bunking down for the day.
And they're going to stay put wherever they are at that time.
But that's where I go.
And usually...
My day is usually over by 10 in the morning, 11 in the morning.
That's usually it.
And then they don't come back.
Maybe the next day you'll have a few that might try a different school.
But when they see that eagle in that same location, they'll bypass it, and then the problem is solved.
And after four or five days of a clean-out, this place is eradicated.
And what I'll do is I'll leave the whistles with my customers so anytime that there's a geese that might backtrack in a week or two later, they blow that whistle immediately and that bird will jump out of there, associating noise with the predator.
And this way you don't get droppings, David.
And if something doesn't respond, then I get a call from the school district or the customer, and I come back and I recondition anything new in the area, and then I go back onto an on-call basis.
So I got quite a bit of customers, but I just work on an on-call basis where these people aren't paying for geese control constantly.
I whistle train all the birds in the area, and this saves people money, and also you're not going to get the droppings.
That you get with other services like Border Collie services and other types of these control companies use.
Border Collie.
Now, I've got a Border Collie.
So what do they do with the Border Collies?
They just have them kind of watching and chasing them when they land?
Is that what they do?
Yeah, that's what they do.
They just have them run towards the birds.
And then the birds aren't frightened because they know that's just the land threat.
I've got a threat that goes up into the air.
I could put it up 500 feet, 1,000 feet.
And that's what moves them out of the area completely.
When you run a dog, they'll hop over a fence and come back as soon as the handler is gone with the dog.
They get the timing down after a while.
So what happens sometimes when I do with the eagle, these birds don't want to give up the territory, so they'll come in at nighttime, and they'll come in around 9 o'clock, 10 o'clock at night.
They'll feed into a field which is all fenced in, where there's protection from predators, and they'll hang out.
And those geese are so smart, they'll get out of there before sunrise, and the customer will see crap all over the place, but they won't see geese.
So what I do is I come in at nighttime, and I'll put the eagle up, and they are frightened when they see that thing go up in the air.
I mean, I can't see it go up in the air.
But the geese can see this, and I can just hear wings flapping, and I also hit them with a whistle.
So sometimes when you blow the whistle, they'll fly into buildings and backstops and everything because they're really frightened.
They get conditioned, and it's very quick.
So this is really a foolproof method.
I've been doing it for 20 years, and I do it with all types of birds.
It's not just geese.
I'm very good at doing seagulls also.
I know England has a very bad seagull problem.
I know if I ever go there, I can make a fortune over there getting rich seagulls over there, but I really don't want to go to that country.
I know.
They've basically repealed the Magna Carta as well as any laws they had protecting freedom.
I think if we were to go there, we couldn't avoid making a joke, and that would probably be enough to get me arrested.
But yeah, it truly is amazing to see just the whistle training and everything getting them going.
It's B.F. Skinner.
He was able to train every kind of animal with whistle training.
So that's essentially what you're doing as well.
Yes.
Like I was mentioning to you earlier, if you want to condition your chickens, To come to you, or if you lose one, anytime you feed your chicken, you come up with any type of a sound, and that bird will pick up and realize, oh my god, it's time to feed.
Let me get there.
So you can have a sound deterrent to reward a bird, and also a sound deterrent to scare a bird.
Oh yeah.
So it's really like talking to the animals.
Yeah, yeah.
When we first moved here, like I said, there's a lot of hawks around here.
And I heard this screech.
That's an eagle!
And it's what they use on TV programs for an eagle, right?
They use the sound of a hawk for an eagle.
The eagle doesn't sound...
Doesn't sound that impressive, but the hawk sounds really impressive.
And so they use it on all the films.
And when I looked it up, it's like, oh, yeah, it's not an eagle.
It's just the sound that the hawk makes that they have attributed to eagles.
So I guess they got me conditional.
Right.
They have a screeching noise.
The red-tailed hawk does.
And usually around this time of year, next month, I'll have a lot of red-tailed hawk.
When they see my eagle go up, they'll fly around it, and I get a natural deterrent where I get constant screeching in that area from red-tailed hawks.
I've actually had red-tailed hawk come in and actually put holes in my kite, but they didn't take me down, David.
They put holes in it, but they didn't take me down.
I worry because we've got a small drone that is not a real commercial drone or anything.
It's just kind of a consumer drone.
And we flew that thing up, and boy, the clocks all came for it.
So it's like, let's get that thing down.
Yes, and that's another thing.
I believe a lot of this, now this is my opinion, they're killing a lot of birds.
And you know they kill birds around airports because they want that freedom for their fly, you know, freedom for that fly zone for planes.
So they actually kill all the birds from a five-mile area, at least they do in New York, to protect the airplanes.
But if they start killing a lot of birds, I can see they're going to make more room for their drones.
Drones are taken down by birds.
I had an article where the New York Police Department was using a drone at Coney Island, and the seagulls were attacking it, and they were ready to take that expensive drone down.
And I wanted to, I told them I'd put the eagle up and I'd be able to protect your drone from birds.
But I never heard anything from the police department on that.
Well, you know, right up there in that area around Long Island, because you sent me the information about the last Long Island duck farmer going out of business, and we've talked about that a lot.
But the latest news that just came out yesterday, 20 ducks, geese, and seagulls found dead on Long Island Beach.
And they're being tested for bird flu.
So this is being put out everywhere as if they died from bird flu.
I mean, how common is it?
I've said to you, if we've got a pandemic of wild birds carrying bird flu, which is the way I like to present this, first of all, all of these chickens that are laying eggs, they're not only in buildings, but each of them is in their own individual cage that's so small they can't even move.
And then, you know, if we had an epidemic of bird flu, I would expect to see dead birds, wild birds, all over the place, all the time.
And as soon as, you know, so we've been talking about this for the last couple of weeks, and now you see several different articles being put up all at once saying, oh, look, we found some dead wild birds.
Well, in this quantity, you know, 20 ducks, geese, and seagulls, is that all that unusual?
I don't see that anywhere.
I don't see birds dying anywhere, David.
I mean, if this was a bird flu, you would be seeing birds everywhere.
Now, this is just one location, a small area at a beach.
In my opinion, somebody could have poisoned them.
Or somebody could have ate something in the water or something.
But why didn't you see dead birds on the North Shore of Long Island?
Why didn't you see them out east?
Why didn't you see dead birds in the city?
You know, it's just in this one location here.
And they manipulate the words in the articles to make you think it's bird flu.
Nine times out of ten, I would say ten out of ten, it's not bird flu.
It's somebody who probably poisoned them, or the birds just, you know, don't eat right this time of year.
There's not food out there in the wintertime like they have in the spring and summertime.
Well, you know, back in Austin, when I was back there, we don't have them around here, fortunately, but in Austin, they have massive numbers of birds that they call grackles.
And I mean, I'm talking massive.
You know, it's unbelievable the number.
Yeah, it's unbelievable the number.
And there's this cover parking lots at the grocery store and stuff.
You see them all over the power lines and everything.
Now, if there was some kind of an avian flu epidemic, you would see a lot of these birds dying.
And so you look at this and say, well, even if you believe that there is a bird flu that is out there.
Obviously, if you believe that whole paradigm, which I don't, but if you believe that it's there, wouldn't you expect to see if it's something that we need to be concerned about, that there'd be a large die-off of wild birds, and yet there isn't?
Right now, we don't see it, but give it time.
I just get a feeling they're going to ramp this up, and you're going to see more and more dead birds and start putting the fear into people about wild birds.
They're going to get people paranoid like they did with COVID. To me, they're using the same protocol they did five years ago, but they're using it on animals now, David.
I think it's disgusting what they're doing.
They want to put these mRNA vaccines into chickens, which will transfer into the eggs, and they're going to really poison our food supply.
I think that's what it's about.
This was ingenious on their part to come up with the egg idea here, because eggs are, like you mentioned earlier...
It's in your bread.
It's in everything that we eat and cook.
It's a very important food source that we've had.
And now they're going to attack that and create a shortage.
I'm not going to trust any eggs that are imported from Turkey in other countries.
What are they putting their eggs?
They're turkey eggs.
Are they turkey eggs or are they chicken eggs?
We don't know.
That's right.
That's right.
But, you know, as I was saying earlier, and you point out with the bread and everything, those companies that sued the, you know, the oligarchy of egg companies that were trying to create a little monopoly thing and fixing the price by keeping the number of birds low.
They lost a lawsuit from Kellogg's and General Mills because they put eggs in everything.
They put it in cereal, everything.
They go to the substrate.
You know, ingredient that is there in everything, from cereal to you name it.
And that's why Kellogg's and these other companies were suing them, because they were fixing the price of eggs, you know, and keeping the supply low.
So it works out for them.
It works out for the government.
The government gets to build its bureaucracy.
And, of course, the government is always the handmade of the big pharmaceutical companies.
And I think that they picked this because they want to get...
The most visibility and the most freakout and the most impact on our food supply by going after eggs.
Once they establish the idea that they can vaccinate without any regard to safety, food safety or anything, once they can vaccinate with mRNA, they'll do it to every animal every year.
And it won't just be for flu.
It'll be for every condition that they can imagine.
It just opens up the Pandora's box for the pharmaceutical companies.
You're 100% correct, David.
100% correct on this.
I believe what they're going to do, in my opinion, is when these geese molt in the summertime, I can almost guarantee you they're going to be vaxxing these wild birds for bird flu.
So you're going to see them destroy the animal race by sticking this mRNA vaccine into the animals now.
We've seen what happened with humans.
Now they're going to destroy the animals.
And birds are innocent, David.
You know, the way they're killing these birds, David, and culling them, it's totally disgusting what I see.
They use foam, David, and they foam these birds.
They use fireman foam to put out fires, and they'll spray this foam over the chickens.
There'll be a million chickens in it.
They'll just foam them, and they suffocate the birds.
And it's just a horrible torture of what they're doing to these innocent birds.
Yeah.
Oh, I saw that!
I think I played it maybe here once where they were going in and putting the foam all over the birds that were trapped inside the farm building, whatever you call it.
The birds are jumping up out of the foam trying to save themselves.
They're saying it takes minutes.
You can hear the panic of birds.
I'm disgusted with these people because I have a humane method that I showed them.
20 years ago when I came out with this, and they've been blowing me off since day one, USDA. Yeah, and you sent me the correspondence that you had going back and forth with them, and you were saying, I've got a humane way to do this, and you talked about many different ways that they are killing the birds, poisoning them, everything.
I mean, it's pretty amazing, and you can't get them to pay any attention.
Of course, I step on their toes.
I've got a better method than the government.
If you look what I do, it's a very low-cost method.
I have conditioning birds.
And the lies that USDA comes out with, two big lies that come out with, is there's too many birds and we have to depopulate them.
No, there's not too many birds.
There's too many birds in places where you can't get them out.
That's why there's too many birds.
It's not that there's too many of them.
And also the other lie is when they round them up, certain places, they would round them up in the summertime when they can't fly.
They take them out of the parks because they'll be walking around for two months in a park when they mow.
There's water there.
And what the government will do is they'll round them up and put them in the turkey crates and they'll go dump them off into some...
We're not a nuisance to people.
But now what they do is they pick that bird up, and now the bird doesn't have a fear of a human anymore.
So they're doing this everywhere, all over the country, every year.
They pick up wild birds, they put them down, and then the bird gets released.
And that bird now doesn't have a fear of a human anymore.
That's why geese are so stubborn now.
In my opinion, these so-called wildlife biologists are turning these wild birds into white ducks.
They're creating the problem.
And also with hunting.
What they do is they got all this hunting going on.
They extend the hunting season.
And the geese aren't stupid.
They're not going to stay in a rural area and get popped off with a shotgun.
They're going to go into the urban areas.
So they go into the cities.
They're protected there.
They're not being harmed.
And they've got everything they want there.
Food, water.
They're not being bothered.
They're not being shot.
And the government created this problem, and they're thinking they're saving, keeping the numbers down by increasing hunting.
Like I said, nothing just drives them into the cities.
In my opinion, they should have more bird sanctuary places in these areas where the birds can go.
And I can get them out of the urban areas.
There's no problem with that.
And I whistle train the birds, get them out of these places, but they don't want to talk to me, the government.
And we look at how many birds there are in these urban areas.
I mentioned the grackles before all around Austin.
It's just amazing.
You're not very good at getting rid of them, David.
I can get rid of starlings.
Yeah, yeah.
That's another bird that I get rid of very easy.
All the birds I get rid of.
Let's say that the eagle's the top of the food chain in the bird world.
So when I introduce this anywhere, they have to leave.
It's like a natural reflex for a bird to fear this.
I love your logo there.
It's like a shield like the Raiders and you've got an eagle with an eye patch.
That's what it is.
I've got to tell you about that, David.
The first time I had that up there, people think I'm a Freemason.
It's a Masonic emblem.
But it's not.
I was really, I'll be honest, I was an Oakland Raider fan my whole life.
Yeah, that's what I saw.
I didn't see anything Masonic or that I saw the Oakland Raiders there.
How I ended up going out there, my first trip to Oakland, I went to the Coliseum, and this was years before I even came up with this idea.
And I went to the stadium, and I'm in the upper deck watching the game, and see there's eight minutes left in the game, and everybody's leaving the upper deck.
And I'm wondering why.
And all of a sudden, I see a thousand seagulls above me, and they're crapping on everybody.
Because they know we're trying to come in during the game to get all that leftover food.
So everybody would have umbrellas, you know, and watch the rest of the game with an umbrella.
But I got out of there.
That's the first time I got crap on my arm, so I experienced it myself.
So then when I came up with this idea, I really wanted to target the Oakland Raiders on this idea and do some service for the Oakland Coliseum.
But they didn't really want to contact me, the Raiders.
But I did get contact with the Oakland A's.
And I ended up going out to Oakland.
And I did a homestand with the Texas Rangers.
And I proved that what I had worked fantastic.
And every bird in the vicinity of the stadium was gone.
So I didn't have them hanging out on the field and light poles.
And all the tailgate partying.
That was all stopped.
And then I was ready to do a contract with them the following year.
And then COVID came out, and they shut down sports.
And then the following year, they only let how many people in there.
So there wasn't any food source.
And then if there's no food source, you're not going to have any birds.
And then the following year, the Oakland A's decided to move to Vegas.
So I ended up really losing that job.
I really wanted to get my foot in the door into professional sports.
Yeah.
That was cold, but it hurt everybody.
You know, that scam.
Wow.
Oh, yeah.
It was just insane.
And this is another scam of that sort.
You know, when we look at it...
Yeah, it hits the fundamental food source, and then they've got one solution and one solution only.
You know, we're going to make your life miserable until you take the vaccine, right?
That's basically the same game.
We're going to make eggs unbelievably expensive until everybody agrees that we need to vaccinate all the animals.
And now what we're seeing, and I think the wild birds are really kind of the central part of it.
It's one of the reasons I really wanted to talk to you about this, because there's so many.
I mean, people just need to go back and look at Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds, and he talks about how many millions and millions and millions and millions of birds there are all the time.
And so if this was what they say, then there's...
This contradicts everything that they're trying to tell us.
And so we know from looking at the wild birds that this is not true.
So they're trying to, and as you pointed out, they may go out and kill a bunch of wild birds.
We're now seeing, besides the story where they said, well, we found 20 dead birds, and they mention a whole bunch of different dead birds.
It's not like you had one flock and all of them died or whatever.
But, you know, we've got a bird here, we've got a bird there, we've got some ducks, we've got some geese, we've got some starlings that have died, and they collect them.
And come up with a total of 20 at Patchogue to tell everybody that they're there at the beach to try to build credibility for this, and they get a lot of news organizations that talk about it.
Then over in Indiana, we've got the Indiana Department of Natural Resources has evidently done some kind of a press release because there's now a bunch of different reports about the same issue.
They say migrating sandhill cranes, the latest bird flu victims in Indiana, more than 1,500 killed.
Now, they're saying that this is something that has happened over a period of time.
Whether or not this is true or not, we don't have any verification of this, except we have the word of the Indiana Department of Natural Resources.
And they come up with a large number that they've accumulated over a season.
It's not like they all died at once or in one place.
But this is the narrative that they're gradually starting to build now to try to fill this in, because I think they understand that the absence of any deaths from wild birds shows that this is ridiculous.
But even if this were true, let's assume for the moment that you had 1,500 sandhill cranes that died, and they died from bird flu.
If that was true, it would still be a tiny drop in the bucket.
How in the world then could you justify killing every egg-laying chicken on a farm when one of them is supposedly sick with this stuff?
How does that follow?
What do you think about this?
Well, you can't.
It's a scam, Dave, in my opinion.
There's no doubt about it.
In my experience, I've never experienced dead birds, like they're saying.
And like I said, if I see dead birds, there's a good chance they were hit by a car or poisoned or something like that.
There's more birds or more geese that are hit by cars than die of bird flu.
And they don't stick around either.
You know, you typically don't see them because something else gets them, right?
And so, I don't know, when you look at it, it seems to me that is the, as Sherlock Holmes would say, that's the dog that did not bark.
The problem with bird flu is the wild birds that did not die.
If this is really what they're trying to pretend that it is, then you would of necessity have to see that.
That would have to be verification of it.
And if you don't have the massive die-off of wild birds who are supposedly the carriers, you know, if they're not dying from this and everything, how are these caged up?
How?
Put them in cages, put them in a warehouse, these chickens.
How in the world are we supposed to believe that?
That's insane.
But I have somebody who says that a good way to get rid of the hawks, if they're bothering our chickens as they are now, evidently, hang some CDs from the trees in the area and the hawks will stay away.
How about that?
Have you had that experience?
I can get rid of the Jews and the Eagles.
Yeah, they won't come back at all, right?
No, I can get them.
That's good, yeah.
Well, anything else you'd like to tell us?
Are you still doing the Geese Buster thing?
I thought I saw that you sold it.
Oh, no.
Matter of fact, I was working today.
I'm doing four school districts right now.
Oh, great.
Right now, they're getting ready for sports, spring sports, so I'm doing all these clean-outs and getting these birds out of the schoolyards.
Because they're getting ready for the spring sports now.
But in this area where I have four school districts, all these birds in this area around my office, every bird here is completely whistle trained.
So if they do go into another school district, my customers have whistles where they just blow the whistle and the birds take off.
Even if you see them flying over an area, if you blow the whistle, they'll actually change course, David.
So you can change the course of the bird when they're flying into an area.
That's why this should be into airports.
I can't get into airports because the USDA now controls the airports since 9-11.
And they're not going to give their work to me, knowing that I have a better method than them.
And they've been blowing me off for a very long time.
I've actually sold a method to them 20 years ago up in Orange County in New York.
I took them to different locations.
I cleaned out all the birds.
They loved what they saw.
And they refused to contact me anymore.
They know what it can do.
And then they went into killing birds right after I sold this to them.
So that's pretty much why I was disgusted with these people.
Knowing that you have a humane method that's very low cost.
And effective.
And they turn to killing these birds and gassing them.
They're really disgusting people.
They really should be arrested.
I don't know why these people aren't being arrested.
We're getting away with what they're doing.
I mean, years ago, you'd be in the newspaper throwing a rock at a bird or something.
I mean, they come in at nighttime and they'll slaughter thousands of geese.
Round them up and take them to a gas chamber.
And this goes on every year in the summer.
In a lot of different parks, they go in and they speak to the local municipality.
They make deals with them.
And then when I try to contact the municipality to try to stop a kill like that, they won't return emails to me.
So the fix is really in.
And how it goes in, it really goes into the United States Humane Society, too, is part of it.
When I sold a box years ago to the USDA, I get a call a week later from the United States Humane Society out of Washington, and they wanted to purchase one.
So I'm wondering, how the hell did they find out about me?
They found out through the USDA. They're friends with them.
So I sold the box to USDA and also one to the Humane Society, gave them the training on a video, and I went to do a follow-up.
Months later, with the Humane Society, they wouldn't return calls.
And I find out later on, I get the guy on his cell phone a couple years later, and the guy still has my equipment in his closet.
He's never used it.
And I say, you allow the murder, the killing of birds, and you don't even promote this?
You know, he just keeps this thing in his closet, not use it.
And then Peter, Peter never gives me the time of day.
So a lot of these so-called animal rights people, a lot of them, you know, all they know how to do is take the money.
When it comes down to the basic work, they look the other way.
I think it was a couple of years ago, I reported that PETA was euthanizing animals left and right when they were telling people they were doing something else.
They were just, you know, you bring them in, they just would kill them right away.
That's what we'll see over and over again.
Jason Barker had a couple of comments on here, Geese Busters, he said.
I looked up the common reason for bird deaths.
The top was something in the environment changing or getting poisoned.
And he said, how do birds in an enclosed area catch bird flu from a wild bird?
Well, they claim that it transfers through droppings.
Except that, you know, whatever.
But Jason Barker also says, I have a prediction they'll find dead birds soon at the site of the Moss Landing battery energy storage site fire in California.
That whole area was poison.
Yeah, well, that's true.
That's true.
And there's a lot of different types of poisons out there.
It doesn't have to be something that's deliberate.
It's just, you know, when you have a big fire like that, it's releasing toxic elements as part of that fire.
I agree.
Yeah, it's going to be something that kills people.
But they're not going to look at anything.
They're going to attribute everything to the bird flu, just as every death was essentially attributed to COVID five years ago.
Now we see that happening with the birds.
Yes.
That's correct, David.
What I was going to say also is...
Go ahead.
I had somebody on the phone here.
I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Yeah, I was just going to say we're getting pretty close to the end here.
I've got a couple of comments.
High Boost said, I have a specific whistle I play to my chickens when I get out there, and they're trained to my whistle.
That's exactly right.
I hadn't thought about that.
You know, I looked at clicker training and all the rest of the stuff, and I had not thought about doing that with chickens, but it's very easy to do.
I think when B.F. Skinner was doing this, the first thing he did was did it with birds, I think with pigeons or whatever.
Right.
Now, one thing I wanted to tell you, David, is also I can take care of farms, poultry farms.
I can take the wild birds and separate them from the domestic.
Wild birds fly and domestic don't, the ducks.
So I separate them and I get the wild birds away from the farms.
And also I whistle train everything there.
I've already been working with a farm out here and we've been getting great results where now I... Put the eagle up before the guy feeds his birds.
So all the birds are out of the area and he's feeding only his ducks and not wild birds.
And the idea is to cut the food source of the wild bird.
And after a few days, there was nothing coming back into the farm because the birds are not eating there anymore.
The whole idea is to cut the food source of the bird.
And once you do that, the bird moves on.
It's a very common sense method here.
Well, now they're saying they're going to spend a billion dollars on compensating farmers and on biosecurity.
They're going to spend about $500 million on biosecurity.
What they need to do is contract with you.
You can become a billionaire if they would use your stuff.
Biosecurity, I guess, is going to be vaccines.
I don't know what else they're going to do with it.
You don't need biosecurity if you can stop the problem before it even gets to the farm.
That's right.
That's right.
This is a real effective method, and it's a low-cost method, and they don't want to talk to me.
They have this protocol because there is no bird flu.
I mean, if there was something there, David, my phone would be ringing off the hook right now.
Yes, that's right.
This is just common sense, and, you know, I know it because I'm right there on the front lines watching it all.
That's right.
Yeah, you're looking at the wild birds and how many of them there are, and if there's a bird flu, I think you would be out of business right now, and you're not.
I would see it, David.
Yeah, absolutely.
I'm not tripping over dead birds.
People are calling you instead, saying, we've got too many wild birds, so you've got to get them somewhere else.
I'm getting a lot more reaction right now, David.
Yes, uh-huh.
Yeah.
I've got a comment here from Shadowboxer who says, sometimes these birds will eat poisoned rats or rodents sometimes.
So, yeah.
And Whistler says, I guess we're also going to see a massive bird flu outbreak in Palestine, Ohio, with all the pollution that is there.
But everything, just as we saw with COVID, you know, we didn't have people dying of heart attacks anymore.
We didn't have anybody dying of flu.
We didn't have anybody dying of cancer.
Everybody was dying of the supposed pandemic.
Well, we've just got a couple of minutes here.
Let people know where they can find you.
You've got a YouTube channel.
Well, I have YouTube.
I don't use YouTube because I don't like to use platforms that censor.
I got videos on there, but I don't promote it.
I go on to Rumble right now.
I have a Rumble channel.
And I have my website.
It's geesebusters.com.
If anybody needs to get in touch with me, they can get in touch with me through the website.
And it's springtime.
This is a busy time for me now.
I'm picking up a lot more work.
And it's about, I guess, another two weeks where geese are going to start laying eggs.
So I usually get there before they start to lay eggs.
And I cut down on the nesting.
As soon as I start to see pears hanging around, I'll blow that eagle up.
And once they see that eagle, they're out of there.
And they'll think twice about putting a nest there.
So this is very effective.
It's a foolproof method, David.
It's a shame that I've been held down for 20 years by the government, and they're really pretty much offended.
If you think about the people that teach this stuff in the universities and the colleges, like Penn State and Illinois, University of Illinois, all these agricultural programs, I blow their research in the garbage.
Most of their research is all done with border collies.
They've never used this method before.
They don't know how effective it is.
And like I said, my videos don't lie on my Rumble channels.
Oh, yeah.
Well, I mean, we got a Border Collie.
He loves to chase the birds, but they're smarter.
They know that they can fly, so that doesn't get rid of them.
Border Collie's a good companion.
Yeah, yeah, but they're not going to get rid of the birds because the birds have got the...
But I think that's the key thing, you know?
The canary in the coal mine in this particular, in the bird flu, is the fact that there aren't any canaries in the coal mine that have died.
And your profession is evidence of that, and what we see everywhere is evidence of it.
There's so many wild birds that we don't realize that we would see dead bodies all over the place if the bird flu thing was real.
It absolutely is not.
But, so, yeah, we've got a lot of comments here we didn't get to, but it was great talking to you, Rob.
Appreciate that.
It was a real honor being on the show, David.
I've been watching you for a long time.
Well, thank you.
I appreciate that.
It's unbelievable.
It's a great show.
Thank you, and I appreciate the support, too.
Thank you so much.
You're welcome.
And again, geesebusters.com.
Don't miss geesebusters.com, and there'll be links there where you can see his videos on Rumble.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much, Dave, for having me on.
I want to say hi to my friends in the chat, my feather friend there, Birdhouse Blues, Angry Tiger, Jason, Karen Carpenter, All the good people out there.
You've got a great bunch of people that follow you, David.
We've got a great community.
I watch you every day.
I don't get a chance sometimes to get in the chat, but I definitely listen to you.
And if it was a real world out there, you'd be on Good Morning America every morning.
Well, thank you.
That's kind.
Thank you very much, David.
Thank you.
Have a good day.
And everyone, thank you for joining us.
Have a good day.
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