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The David Knight Show - 11/24/2023

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	Thank you.
	You're listening to The David Knight Show.
	We tend to forget that we are in the midst of the fourth industrial revolution, which accelerates global change in much more comprehensive and faster ways which accelerates global change in much more comprehensive and faster ways than the previous three I'm here with Bill Gates at Davos.
	Diversity fosters new ideas.
	New ideas generate the experimentation needed.
	To make the most of the Fourth Industrial Revolution.
	The purpose is clear. To collapse the liberal international order.
	We always have to worry that a new epidemic is going to come along.
	Flu epidemic that could go global.
	The Fourth Industrial Revolution will impact our lives completely.
	The World Economic Forum has become a prominent organization in media.
	Meeting in Davos, Switzerland once a year, world leaders, celebrities, and elites gather to discuss the state of world affairs and the betterment of the world economy.
	Under the guides of helping the poor, climate change, and democracy, these elites meet in lockstep to influence the future global direction.
	The mystery man behind it all, Klaus Schwab, seen by many as a well-connected seen by many as a well-connected figure whom is invested in the betterment of humanity, has publicly run ad campaigns for the WEF, has publicly run ad campaigns
	You will own nothing and be happy.
	Many have raised concern over the agenda of the WEF not being genuine and actually a mask for a totalitarian plot to world government.
	The real truth lies with the founder, Klaus Schwab, who if exposed to the general public would be seen as an influencer in shadow government with family ties to the Nazi party through his father, Eugene Schwab.
	Eugene Schwab, Klaus Schwab's father, was a machine engineer in Ravensburg, Germany, for a German branch of a Swiss company called Esker Weiss & See. - Hey.
	Switzerland, having historically deep ties to Ravensburg, Germany since the 1830s due to the horse market, It brings no question why roughly 100 years later they would still do business in 1930s southern Germany.
	Eskervaisen See became the largest employer in the region and was later complimented by Hitler as a, quote, national socialist model factory, end quote, under Eugene Schwab's management.
	During the war, the Eskerweiss Mechanical Manufacturing Company in Ravensburg went on to use forced slave labor under the direction of Eugene Schwab, as the company was contracted by the Nazi military for manufacturing weapons of war.
	According to the National Archives, under the Holocaust-era assets, there it shows business dealings with Eskerweiss and Germany.
	Also stating that Switzerland allowed German exports to be stored in their country, further proving that Switzerland was not neutral during the Second World War.
	Eugene Schwab would eventually be elected president of the Ravensburg Chamber of Congress and Industry in 1966, stating that the founding of the committee,"...creates better and faster connections for large circles in our increasingly closer Europe,
	and thus offers new opportunities for cultural, economic, and social development." Klaus Schwab, son of Eugene Wilhelm Schwab and Erika Eprecht, was born March 30, 1938, in Ravensburg, Germany.
	Klaus Schwab was encouraged to follow in the footsteps of his father and also became a mechanical engineer, studying at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology and completing his study in 1962.
	In 1967, Klaus Schwab attended the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard, where he met Henry Kissinger, whom was his college professor.
	The two formed a close relationship, and later Klaus Schwab professed that Henry Kissinger is amongst the top four most influential people in his entire life.
	It should also be noted that in 1967, Klaus Schwab amassed influence in Swiss business, taking a lead in a merger between companies Solzer and Esker Weiss, tapping into the former family business.
	He transformed Solzer Eskerweiss to a path of medical technology products, something not previously on the agenda for the two companies.
	With the influence of Klaus Schwab, Solzer Eskerweiss would venture into the worldwide nuclear arms race and participate in a legal production of nuclear weapon technology.
	In 1969, the company dropped Edgar Weiss from their name and rebranded as Solzer A.G. This more than likely was so there was no paper trail associated with the former name affiliated with Nazi collaboration and illegal activities.
	January 24, 1971.
	Klaus Schwab founded the World Economic Forum.
	The foundation is funded by 1,000 member companies with more than $5 billion turnover, as well as public subsidies.
	Their mission... is, quote, improving the state of the world by engaging business, political, academic, and other leaders of society to shape global, regional, and industry agendas, end quote.
	Klaus Schwab's inspiration for the formation of the WEF was the Club of Rome, which was founded in 1968 at a residence in Bellagio, Italy, owned by the Rockefeller family.
	The Club of Rome's general belief is that population growth is unsustainable for the planet, and the only way to combat this is world government.
	The World Economic Forum has taken these ideas and modernized them and have even publicly published their ideas on their website with their plan for sustainability and globalization.
	The ideas of carbon footprint and banning fossil fuels is only a ploy to track and trace civilians through the grid and cut off mobility.
	Similar to the model of Sidewalk Labs, a study carried out by Google in Toronto as a, quote, smart city, end quote, for mass surveillance, this is the massed agenda that Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum have for you and your family.
	Under the deception of the climate change agenda and economic equality, Klaus Schwab refers to it as the Fourth Industrial Revolution, which could be construed as a Fourth Turning, or a Fourth Reich.
	The fourth industrial revolution will impact our lives completely.
	It will not only change how we communicate, how we produce, how we consume, it will change actually us, our own identity, which of course gives life to such Policies and developments like smart traffic, smart government, smart cities.
	What we will see is that everything will be integrated into an ecosystem driven by big data and driven particularly by close cooperation also of governments with business,
	civil society and this revolution will come at a Many have disregarded the Nazis as being dismantled after the Second World War.
	The continuation of Hitler's ideas lives right underneath the surface for those who won't pay attention.
	Unlike Hitler, whose plan for world domination failed through force, elites like Klaus Schwab have proceeded with these same ideas through stealth.
	It is a big idea.
	A new world order.
	And now is a time when things are shifting.
	There's going to be a new world order out there.
	And we are in the midst of one of the historic global transformations that is going to eventually lead to a new world order.
	Read my lips.
	Which nation's administration do you most admire?
	There's a level of admiration I actually have for China.
	Their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn their economy around on a dime.
	Just like Hitler, who influenced the ideas of young people through Hitler Youth, the World Economic Forum is molding children of elitist families through the WEF's Young Global Leaders Program.
	Influencing future government leaders of the World Economic Forum's ideas of their global plan for sustainability.
	Young Global Leaders Program here for Executive Education and the Schwab Fellows.
	But there are two countries in the world now in which the Young Global Leaders have emerged.
	Tell us just a bit about that, in terms of the governance.
	Yes. Actually, this notion to integrate young leaders is part of the World Economic Forum since many years.
	And I have to say, when I mention our names like Mrs.
	Merkel, even Vladimir Putin and so on, they all have been young global leaders of the World Economic Forum.
	But what we are very proud of now is the young generation like Prime Minister Trudeau, President of Argentina and so on, that we penetrate the cabinets.
	So yesterday I was at a reception for Prime Minister Trudeau and I... We know that half of this cabinet, or even more half of this cabinet, are actually young leaders of the world.
	These same elites who have graduated as alumni from the Young Leaders Program serve in high places for generations to come.
	While the public may believe that their vote matters, They would be shocked to find out that the agenda is the same, regardless of political ideology.
	According to the Forum of Global Young Leaders, the alumni community consists of 600-plus members across 90 countries.
	Klaus Schwab's purpose and agenda for the World Economic Forum is to undermine and supersede the freedom of sovereign citizens by consolidating the powers and leaders of government to fall in line with the global agenda of authoritarianism.
	Every year, elites meet in Davos, Switzerland to discuss the future of sovereign citizens.
	The elites claim they know what's best for humanity and feel intellectually superior to what they view as the peasant class, which separates the haves from the have-nots.
	Attendees of these meetings range from all political parties.
	Bankers, actors, and even musicians who share the like-minded agenda of sustainability constructed by public-private partnerships, aka corporate fascism.
	This loophole through the corporation has created a slave ship between employee and employer, consumer and business owner.
	Under the guise of corporate fascism, all human rights are disregarded and made to be under the jurisdiction of private business.
	Corporate fascism can also be seen as stakeholder capitalism, a system in which corporations abide by the terms of the highest stakeholders who lobby for their personal agenda through the means of the company.
	This means that elite leaders in power who hold private stock can operate and carry out their agenda through the private corporation in the shadow government.
	This agenda is exactly the plan being used by Klaus Schwab in the World Economic Forum as you can only govern at the will of the people until the people's will has been stolen right from under them unknowingly.
	The plans of Hitler were unfathomable in comparison to the scale of the world stage and the players involved today.
	Through stealth and crisis, such as war, climate change, and economic equality, the plan for a sustainable Earth ruled by elites in the world government are made possible to be planned and carried out by the ideas exchanged through the indoctrination of the World Economic Forum.
	The past tells the future, and the more informed those can be about Klaus Schwab and his intentions through the World Economic Forum, the less likely the human population will be coerced into a prison planet design.
	Though it may not seem like there is a controversy amongst nations, the very elites on the world stage involved are meeting behind closed doors in public and in private, in front of all of us to be discovered.
	The World Economic Forum is the public face for the global agenda, and Klaus Schwab is the public face for shadow government and private public partnership worldwide.
	As crony capitalism lives on, beware of the consequences and the players involved.
	Beware of the World Economic Forum and its falsely stated intentions that will be used for evil.
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	Joining us now is George Barna.
	This is a very familiar name to Christians.
	He's the founder of the Barna Group, a market research firm that has specialized in looking at what is happening to our culture and to Christians in general, the intersection of faith and culture.
	He's been doing this for quite a while.
	He's written a lot of books, and he's got a new book now, Talking about perhaps what we can do about some of the worst problems and maybe really the core issue as to the direction that our country has been going down.
	So I want to talk to him about that book, but also kind of get an idea of what he has seen with a front row seat since the 1980s in our country.
	Thank you for joining us, George Barna.
	Thank you for joining us, George. Yeah, thanks for having me on, David.
	Let's talk a little bit about that.
	We all see what is happening to our culture, this detachment from reality, this postmodernism, and all the rest of this stuff, but give us some metrics, let's say, that you would have seen as part of the Barna Group over the last few decades.
	Yeah, there have been a number of things that I've been tracking for about four decades.
	You know, one of those has to do with people's perspectives on truth and what we've seen is a consistent deterioration of the notion that there is absolute moral truth.
	That there can be such a thing as absolute moral truth.
	So that's a big issue because when you take that out of the equation, you've got to go somewhere to get your understanding of reality.
	And rather than go and search for any kind of absolutes, what we do is we turn inward.
	And that's what's happened in America is now, rather than say that we believe in God, Basically, what we do is we believe in ourselves.
	And so that's a big game changer right there as well, where we've seen a huge increase in the proportion of what I would call the don'ts, people who don't believe God exists, don't know if he exists, don't care if he exists.
	Hmm. And, you know, we're basically with our young adults, people under 50, they represent close to a third of the population now.
	So that's a massive shift.
	We've seen a big shift in our morals, the basis of our morals, of course, if there's no absolute moral truth.
	On what basis do we determine morality?
	Again, it's our feelings.
	And so that's a big shift.
	And now we're at a place where most Americans are confused about most major moral issues, whether we're talking about abortion, whether we're talking about divorce, whether we're talking about homosexuality, transgenderism.
	The basis of personal identity, all of that has seen major shifts in the last 10 to 15 years.
	I would say that we're a society now that really gears itself toward trying to achieve happiness.
	And that's the major goal of most Americans.
	We want to be happy.
	We do what we can to ensure that our children will be happy and like that.
	And then, of course, you have to ask, well, why did all of these shifts take place?
	And so much of it is because of the influence and exposure to media, particularly arts and entertainment media.
	And what I've found in the research that I've been doing is that the greatest influence on our worldview, the kinds of decisions that we make, comes from media influence.
	So whether it's movies or television or social media or video games or whatever media you choose, That's having more influence than everything else combined in our lives, as best I can tell. Even education, you would say.
	Yeah, even more than that.
	Well, it certainly is visceral.
	And if people are just going to turn inward to their feelings, that's what they're going to pick up on.
	It's kind of interesting as we look at this...
	Detachment from any idea of objective truth.
	It's gotten so bad that it reflects in our inability to even do or care about math or anything else like that.
	And even our gender, our biological gender.
	We don't have anything that is objective.
	Everything is subjective and whatever you want it to be.
	Even now we've got kids who are dressing up as furries.
	I mean, it's getting to an extreme...
	That, you know, all of my life I would have looked at this and said, this is a parody.
	This can't be real. This is like something out of Babylon Bee.
	But that's the reality that we live in right now, isn't it?
	It really is.
	And so when you make your feelings the basis of your reality, you know, the whole game changes.
	And so trying to reason with people becomes exceedingly difficult because...
	Americans are less and less willing to consider, much less accept, facts.
	An empirical argument doesn't have much of a basis in America today.
	Yeah. And that's really going to tear our society apart in every regard.
	I mean, how do you even do science or engineering?
	It really was the understanding that there is a discoverable reality, a discoverable truth.
	We had a lot of foundational scientists who were coming from that Christian perspective, Francis Bacon and many others, Isaac Newton.
	We can discover as God's truth there is a reality here.
	Now we've taken God out of the equation, and we've taken reality out of the equation.
	And so it's going to affect everything, even in our material society.
	The things that people are looking at to make them happy and comfortable, those things are going to disappear as well, because everything is hinged to that.
	Tell us a little bit about, you coined some words that, some phrases, in terms of looking at this, spiritainment.
	That's entertainment-based there, as well as a spiritual, I guess.
	Tell us a little bit about that and why you coined that word.
	Well, there was a time a couple decades ago when there seemed to be a movement to really try to integrate faith into entertainment, particularly the Christian faith into entertainment.
	And so that term, you know, was the blending of spirituality and entertainment, recognizing that every entertainment vehicle conveys a worldview.
	At that point in time, there seemed to be some momentum growing for the biblical worldview being ingrained in more entertainment vehicles, particularly movies and television, but also an increasing amount of online entertainment, streamed entertainment. Mm-hmm.
	That seems now to have diminished over the last decade or so.
	So that momentum that had been building up seemed to fall off.
	So that phrase never really picked up much momentum, just as that approach to entertainment development never picked up.
	I wonder if that could be kind of applied to what we see in some of the big megachurches that have fog machines everywhere.
	I always thought that the fog machine with all the contemporary worship was kind of a metaphor of something that was happening in those churches.
	But, you know, they tried to pursue that entertainment aspect of it, and, you know, it didn't work out too well.
	I think it is. We've had...
	A couple of recent successes, and perhaps there will be some new movement.
	It's hard to win a culture war if you don't have a culture, if you don't engage them in certain ways.
	And so, you know, we've had some fairly successful movies in the last couple of months.
	I don't know if that's going to be a trend or not.
	It's too soon to tell, isn't it?
	I think we'll probably always have one or two current examples of Christian-based entertainment that do well, because there still remains in our culture a pretty significant number of people who really wrap their lives around their Christian faith.
	And so when those kinds of media vehicles are released, yes, they'll find that audience.
	But in terms of building greater attentiveness and a greater appetite for that kind of entertainment, I don't think that's been done effectively, and we're not at a point where it appears that we could sustain that right now.
	Yeah, it's going to be interesting.
	Because the standard Hollywood stuff has gotten so dark and so nihilistic that it's kind of collapsing in and of itself.
	It's not really entertaining anymore.
	And with what happened with the shutdowns of movie theaters and everything, I think they've had a hard time coming back.
	And it's kind of just feeding on itself.
	And there's not really any creativity there.
	It seems like there's a real vacuum.
	In that area, but who knows what will happen with that.
	Which brings us to another one of the terms that you coined, sage cons.
	Tell us a little bit about that. Yeah, that's an acronym for spiritually active, governance-engaged, conservative Christians.
	Sage Cons represents somewhere around 8%, 9%, maybe 10% of the adult population in America.
	And these are individuals whose lives are driven by their Christian faith.
	And one of the unique characteristics about them is that they're very tuned into politics, not because they care about it, not because they have a natural inclination toward it, but because they recognize that their faith in Christ calls them to be involved in every dimension of society and to try to influence it for the cause of Christ.
	And so government is just one of those arenas.
	But the result of that is that they not only pay more attention to news and information about politics and government, but they vote every chance they get, and they really try to understand the issues more than the average American would.
	And you say that, is that increasing or decreasing, what you've seen lately?
	Are we getting more or less SAGE-CONs?
	Right. It's been stable for the last five years or so.
	But as we look forward and project to what's going to happen in the population, we expect that number to be on the decline.
	Unless there is some kind of an awakening, spiritual awakening, that's Bible-based, that takes place in America in the next decade or so.
	We don't see that on the horizon, but you never know when the Holy Spirit's going to bring that kind of outpouring of faith.
	That's right. Yeah, that's what it's dependent upon.
	Now, so you're looking at, you know, the Sage Cons, they're going to be adults, probably a bit older, but as I said, you've been doing this since the 1980s, and a couple of decades ago, you kind of had an epiphany about what was really missing in terms of turning towards focusing on children.
	Tell us a little bit about that. Yeah, well, I've been doing a lot of research and continue to do a lot of research through the Cultural Research Center on worldview.
	And what's There are a number of startling things, I think, about worldview in America, one of which is how few Americans have a biblical worldview.
	It's 4% among adults right now, even less among young people, in spite of the fact that 68% of Americans consider themselves to be Christian.
	So there's a huge disconnect there.
	But a couple decades ago, as we were looking at some of the details of this, what we found is that a person's worldview begins developing between 15 to 18 months of age and 13 years of age.
	By the age of 13, a person's worldview is almost fully developed.
	Tell us a little bit before we go, tell us your definition of a worldview there.
	So we... I mean, it's kind of self-explanatory, but maybe you've got something more specific.
	And then tell us what you would say a biblical worldview is.
	Sure. Yeah, everybody has a worldview.
	You need one to get through the day because you make hundreds and hundreds of decisions every day.
	You need a basis on which to make those decisions.
	And that's what your worldview is.
	It's the intellectual, emotional, and spiritual filter through which you make every choice that you make.
	It's the basis on which you make the decision.
	So it's based on your core beliefs about the world, about yourself, about life.
	And all of your behaviors come from those beliefs.
	And so the idea here is you do what you believe.
	So I do research, and a lot of people tell me they believe a lot of things, but I've learned that I can't just take that at face value.
	If you tell me you believe something, then I have to find some behavioral evidence that you actually do believe that.
	Because a lot of people say they believe a lot of things, but there's no evidence that that's the truth.
	You know, they act in contrast to what they say they believe.
	So your worldview is the conjunction of those two things, what you say you believe and what you do to prove that you believe it.
	And so there are dozens of worldviews that people can choose from.
	One of those is what we call the biblical worldview.
	Now, the biblical worldview is based on biblical principles and precepts.
	Those kinds of teachings that we get from Jesus, those kinds of principles that are laid out for us in the scriptures.
	And when I say only 4% of adults have a biblical worldview, that means that only 4% of adults consistently believe what the Bible teaches and then display that in their lifestyle.
	Why does that matter?
	From a Christian point of view, it matters because we've been called to be disciples of Jesus.
	And what that means is that we're going to be Christ-like.
	You demonstrate your Christ-likeness through your behavior, but you've got to have biblical beliefs in order to have those behaviors.
	So that's how all those things fit together.
	What we find is that about 92% of Americans are syncretists.
	And what that means is that we've chosen not a single worldview, whether it's the biblical worldview, postmodernism, Eastern mysticism, nihilism, you know, there are many different worldviews to choose from.
	But what we do as a syncretist We say, I don't buy any of those lock, stock, and barrel.
	I'm just going to pick a few things that they believe that I like.
	They make sense to me.
	And I'm going to combine them with a few beliefs from other worldviews as well.
	So, in other words, as a syncretist, you'll buy into postmodernism.
	You'll buy into secular humanism.
	You'll buy into Marxism.
	You'll buy into Eastern mysticism.
	On and on down the line.
	Taking bits and pieces from each of those and crafting a customized worldview that makes you happy, makes you comfortable, and gives you tracks to run on.
	Yeah, kind of do it a la carte, right?
	Very much. So, yeah, that fits in with all the postmodernism as well.
	So, you were talking about children, and you said they start forming that worldview at, what, about 15 months?
	So, just a little bit before a toddler.
	And then it goes up to 13.
	That's kind of interesting because so many societies have...
	You know, looked at 13 years old as the beginning of manhood or womanhood, you know, bar mitzvah or whatever, and that's not just in the Jewish society, it's in many, many societies at 13.
	It's an interesting age, but we see that over and over again.
	Yeah, and of course, over the course of decades, we've had a lot of political leaders who, as they've been trying to figure out, how can I stay in power for a longer period of time, have made statements about, give me a child until they're seven, and I'll rule the world.
	You know, give me a young person until they're nine, and they'll be mine for life.
	So you've had people from Aristotle on down to Hitler and Stalin and Mao and Mussolini who have made those same kind of pronouncements for different purposes, but they've recognized the importance of childhood.
	The Catholic Church, over the course of centuries, has made similar kinds of pronouncements recognizing that importance, and that's why you have You know, Catholic education being such an important thing in the Catholic world.
	And so... I think we really dropped the ball on that.
	Yeah, I think we really dropped the ball on that.
	You know, train up a child in the way he should go, and when he's old, he'll not depart from it, right?
	That's, you know, Hitler understood that.
	It's that children don't understand that, right?
	I mean, Christians don't understand that.
	Certainly. And you go back to the early chapters of the Bible, you go back to Deuteronomy 6, and you've got a classic teaching there to Jewish families about, you know what, it's your responsibility, parents, to take on the education of your children.
	So talk to them when you have the opportunity, when you're out on the road, when you're having dinner, when you're spending free time together.
	Write these things on your foreheads.
	Post them on your wrists.
	Put them over your doorposts.
	The things that matter, make sure that you're always conversing to your children about these.
	And I would say, yeah, that's certainly something that we in the Christian community in contemporary America have dropped.
	Yes, yes. Yeah, when we homeschooled our kids, they required us to create a name for our school.
	And so I said, well, let's call it the Parapetus Academy, because we'll do it parapetically.
	You know, we'll walk along with them in the way, in the same way that Jesus would do his disciples, and we'll point out as we're going through life with them the good and the bad of this and that, and try to put it in a perspective that they'd understand as Christians.
	Yeah, and you know, that's one of the beautiful things about homeschooling is that you get to build that relationship with your children, wherein they come to trust you and you can have conversations on such a wide range of activities that both relate to academic subjects and wherein they come to trust you and you can have conversations on such a wide range of activities that both relate
	And so as we've done our research over the past couple of years in particular, we found that homeschool children are the ones who are most likely to grow up to have a biblical worldview.
	And it's precisely because parents have the luxury, if you will, of that time spent with their children looking at every aspect of life, not just worrying about addition and subtraction, but really trying to figure out what are the important life principles that I can convey to my children, sometimes through an academic subject, sometimes not.
	Yes. Yes. And they have sacrificed to do that.
	But it's that very interaction that they have for the kids that is their true reward.
	So it is kind of an interesting way that this works itself out if you've got your priorities straight.
	So from 15 months to 13 years, they're establishing their worldview.
	And then what happens?
	Well, during the teen years and through maybe the mid-20s or so, what we find is that's a period of time where now that the worldview has been developed, young people are trying to figure out how to articulate it, how to implement it, how to refine it so that it works most effectively for them in any given situation.
	In the course of that period of time, that 15-year period or so, they're also sometimes changing some of their worldview beliefs and behaviors based on the ways that they're trying to articulate and implement it.
	But then what we find is from the late 20s on through sometime in the 60s, typically people just accept what they've developed during those earlier years, and they actually become evangelists.
	Most Americans, though, don't evangelize for Jesus.
	They evangelize for themselves.
	What they're trying to do is to get other people to buy into their beliefs and behaviors, because if somebody else embraces your worldview or elements of it, you feel better about yourself.
	You feel like you've proven that you got it right.
	And then when we get into our mid to late 60s, that then becomes the final worldview era of our life.
	When we sit back and examine how we did, and we ask the question, gee, did we get it right?
	Could we have done it better?
	Yeah. At that stage, most of us, I'm in that stage now, we're grandparents, or some of my peers are great-grandparents.
	We're thinking about, okay, with our grandchildren and great-grandchildren, should we be teaching and preaching and modeling something different than we had earlier in our life before?
	Because now we can see, yeah, we kind of blew it in this aspect of our worldview.
	We still have a chance to get it right and to pass that on.
	Yeah, that's a very interesting perspective.
	There's four stages there.
	Now, your newest book, and you've written about 50 books, but your newest one, which just came out Labor Day, is Raising Spiritual Champions, Nurturing Your Child's Heart, Mind, and Spirit.
	Tell us a little bit about the book and how The message that it's giving people in terms of, you know, how do you do this?
	Everybody's looking for a how-to book, but a bigger, you know, a larger perspective, I'm sure, is what's involved, and it's not just a step-by-step program.
	But tell us a little bit about that book.
	Well, the book is based on the seven original research projects that we did across the nation, trying to understand parents and churches and adolescents and teenagers.
	We even did a study, a content analysis study, of the most popular media that children are exposed to, the television programs they watch consistently, some of the streaming programs they consistently are exposed to, those types of things.
	What I was trying to do in the book was to give us an understanding of what's happening in parenting today.
	What does the Bible exhort us to do as parents?
	And how can we get closer to that biblical model of parenting given the existing culture in which we're being called to raise our children?
	So it's kind of a full-orbed approach to understanding all this.
	Why? Because as parents, we have the primary responsibility to raise up our children.
	And how are we supposed to raise them?
	We're supposed to help them to become disciples of Jesus Christ.
	So the book is geared toward helping parents understand what does it mean to be a disciple?
	How do you disciple a young person?
	How do we know if we're doing that well?
	What are churches that are doing it well doing?
	Because I want to be part of that kind of church.
	Most churches are not doing it well, as it turns out.
	But we found out that there are some that are doing it properly and appropriately and effectively.
	What kind of church should you look for there?
	And, you know, ultimately, how do you know when you're hitting the ball out of the park?
	That's great. Give us an example of something that you see that is in contrast to what is a good practice, a biblical practice, versus what is a common practice with parenting.
	Well, the common parenting practice in America today I characterize as outsourcing.
	And as I did the research, I discovered it's not with malintent that parents are throwing up their hands and saying, I don't have the time and I don't have the expertise to do this.
	It's because they love their children so much that they're saying, I don't have the time and I don't have the expertise, so let me do the best thing I can for them, which is hire experts that I want to bring in and let them raise my child for me.
	And so what we do is we bring in experts in education, tutors.
	We bring in experts in athletics, coaches.
	We bring in experts in spirituality, children's pastors.
	We bring in experts in various hobbies and extracurricular activities.
	You know, all of these experts that we hire to do what we feel I'm really not sufficiently versed to know how to do it.
	And I'm working hard to make the money to hire these people, so I don't have the time to do it.
	And I've got other interests than my children that I feel I need to engage in for some kind of self-care, you know, give myself a break, lower my anxiety levels.
	That's why I don't have the time.
	So that's the way that parents are approaching it.
	Now, the biblical model is actually quite different.
	The biblical model says when you have children under the age of 13, this is a season of sacrifice for you.
	So get used to maybe not working as many hours.
	Get used to not doing everything you can to get the promotion, to get the raise, to start your own company, to do whatever.
	the things that are going to take the most time and energy and effort on your part.
	This is the time where you put most of your energy and effort and expertise into raising up your child to be a follower of Jesus.
	And so your schedule is going to look very different.
	And in fact, what you do during the day is going to look different.
	Number one, you've got to have a plan for how you spiritually develop your child.
	If that's your chief goal during these years, don't go about it willy-nilly, just haphazardly hoping that something good is going to happen with their faith.
	And maybe if you just bring them to church services often and often, church events, it's all going to work.
	It's not the church's job.
	It's your job. The church is there to support you as you do that.
	And that's the kind of church, by the way, that you need to be looking for.
	We can talk more about that.
	But it's on your shoulders to be doing that task.
	And so you've got to have a plan.
	It doesn't happen by default.
	People do not become disciples of Jesus by accident.
	And with your children during those first 13 years...
	The foundations that you put in place or don't put in place are what's going to determine, to the largest extent, whether or not they ever become disciples of Christ.
	Yeah, that's very true.
	You know, when I have talked for a long time to people about homeschooling, what I frequently, what I hear from them is, I just don't feel qualified enough.
	This is what you're talking about. They're trying to outsource this to somebody else that they feel is going to do a better job with math or this.
	And of course, you know, you can pull in.
	There's so many experts that are available that have classes on this that you can pull that in and they can do that.
	Or you can set up some kind of a co-op thing or something like that.
	But it really is born out of this feeling that they're not up to the task.
	And we would always tell people, you only got to keep a couple of steps ahead of this kid.
	Even if you didn't do well in school, you just got to keep a couple of lessons ahead of them.
	And you might learn some stuff that you never learned in school because you didn't like school.
	And, you know, but the key thing is, from a Christian perspective, is that God gave you these kids.
	And so he also gave you the ability to do what is necessary.
	And I think that's the key thing.
	And it's that relationship that is there that is lost, as you point out.
	That's a great term, outsourcing it to other people, because you think other people can do a better job of this or that.
	And then you miss that time with the kid.
	You spend all your time doing shuffling them from one of these activities, from one expert to another.
	And, you know, you just become kind of a soccer mom type of facilitator or chauffeur.
	You don't really ever have that time with them.
	I've seen that as well as I've been growing up.
	That is an excellent way to describe it, outsourcing, I think.
	Tell us.
	I'm sorry.
	And just to tag on to that, one of the great dangers of outsourcing is that often those people are introducing different worldview perspectives to your children than you want them to have.
	So they might be a great soccer coach.
	But there may be things about anger and about treating other people and thoughts about money, you know, growing up to be a professional psychopath.
	I mean, all these other ideas that are being introduced to your children that are ones that the Bible might not agree with.
	And so when you hand your children over to these other authority figures, you're handing over your authority at the same time.
	And that's a great danger.
	Yes, that is really true.
	Yeah, that's how we get the a la carte syncretism, right?
	Exactly. With all these different forces that are there.
	You were talking about church, and so, you know, what kind of church is a good church that's going to support the parents?
	So many times I look at churches, and they have so many activities that they've got set up.
	And I often think about a cruise that I went on...
	With our family, it was Karen's parents' 50th anniversary.
	We want to take everybody on a cruise.
	It was a Disney cruise. And we get on there, and this is a family cruise.
	So it's like, okay, what activities do you have for the family?
	Well, we'll put a bracelet on the kids, and we'll take them over here.
	And we've got all kinds of stuff.
	And then, you know, you can do these things.
	And it's like, no, no, what do you have for us to do together?
	They didn't have anything for us to do together.
	They said, well, nobody's asked us about that before.
	You take this family cruise and you can outsource your kids over here to be entertained and babysat and whatever, and then you can go do these other activities.
	And it's like, no, we don't want to do that.
	So when I look at churches, many times I see that type of thing happening in the churches.
	What is the kind of church that is most effective at supporting parents and their tasks?
	Yeah, one of the things that I try to get Christian parents to do, or any parents really if they're going to engage with the church, is to recognize, you know what, the single most important ministry in the entire church is the ministry to children.
	Because if what we're there to do is to build up somebody's faith, develop that faith, reinforce that faith, release that faith into the world, all of the foundations for that happen before the age of 13.
	And so what's going on in the children's ministry is the single most important ministry in the church.
	So when you go to a church, don't go there saying, gee, I hope they make me happy.
	You know, I mean, frankly, what our research has found for the last 40 years is that adults don't change.
	You know, so you're going to go in, believe in what you believe.
	You're going to come out pretty much believe in the same thing.
	We did a longitudinal study, tracked people over 30 plus years, and found that the worldview of adults doesn't change.
	Most Americans die with the same worldview that they had at the age of 13.
	And so, you know, let's look at that children's ministry.
	What do you want to look at? Number one, take a look at the children's pastor.
	One of the pieces of research that we did for this book was with pastors across the country.
	What we discovered is that seven out of every eight children's pastors do not have a biblical worldview.
	You can't get what you don't have.
	And so when children are going to seven out of eight children's ministries, they're not going to be taught biblical truth.
	They're going to be taught stuff, what?
	That satisfies the needs of the ministry.
	What are the needs of that ministry?
	Well, parents are saying, you know what?
	I want my child to be safe.
	I want my child to be happy.
	I want my child to be around some good kids.
	And I want them to be exposed to some kind of religious teaching.
	And that's about as far as it goes.
	You know, we know when we talk with senior pastors across the country, again, a majority of whom do not have a biblical worldview, we ask them, how do you know if your church is healthy and successful?
	They say, oh, we measure five things.
	How many people show up?
	How much money is raised? How many programs we offer?
	How many staff people we get to hire?
	How much square footage we've built out?
	Look, I'm a measurement guy, so I'm glad they're measuring something.
	But as a measurement guy, I know you get what you measure.
	And so when those are your measures, what you're going to get is a megachurch, a place that's well marketed.
	But keep in mind that Jesus didn't die for any of those five things.
	So those shouldn't be the key measures that we're looking at.
	So when you're looking for children's ministry, look for the stuff that matters to Jesus.
	Because if it matters to Jesus and it matters to the church, that's what they're going to be sharing with your child.
	Oh, that's great advice.
	So, you know, it's time with the kids.
	There is no substitute, you know, quantity with the kids.
	There's no substitute in terms of quality, in terms of outsourcing the kids.
	And it's very important that you understand who is going to be holding their heart at various times, right?
	And that really is a key thing.
	I think people need to think of it that way.
	You know, if you think of somebody holding something as fragile as a heart, and you don't realize that that is really what is happening in these very tender ages is very, very malleable.
	And it's kind of interesting that you point out that the worldview of adults really doesn't change.
	Of course, we were told that.
	I believe it because it's in the Bible, but your research has borne that out.
	So it is interesting because we do have people who've had some exceptions to that, I guess, that would be the exceptions that have had a very difficult upbringing.
	And but God has stepped into their life and worked in a way to radically change them.
	Right.
	But that's that's really the exception.
	Would you say it is the exception?
	And one of the interesting things I did, actually, the biggest study I've ever done was on that very thing.
	And what I found is that there are the way that people change is God allows them to go through a crisis.
	You know, we tend to think of a crisis as something to avoid at all costs.
	It's painful. We don't want to endure it.
	And yet God uses crisis to get our attention and to shake us up enough to reconsider some of the basic foundations of our worldview.
	And what I discovered is that there tend to be six Different crises that are most common that are effective at shaking us up enough that, yes, we can move more and more toward having a biblical worldview.
	You know, an ugly divorce, the painful death of someone who is close to you that you loved, contracting or a debilitating illness or having some kind of debilitating injury, losing all of your possessions in a natural disaster, spending time in prison.
	And going through personal bankruptcy.
	Those six things represent a majority of the crises that have enabled people to get to a place where God could continue the transformational process in their life.
	And they moved away from a secular mindset and heartset more toward a biblical mindset.
	So, yeah, it's possible, you know, and that's the hope that parents need who blew it with their young kids.
	You know, because it's never over.
	If you're just hearing this and you're saying, oh my gosh, my child is 14, 16, and 18, you know, what do I do now?
	It's like, okay, don't give up hope.
	Keep in mind that discipleship is a relationship.
	It's a relationship with Jesus first, and it's a relationship with another disciple, somebody who wants to bring you into that relationship with Christ.
	So it's all about relationship.
	What do you do with that relationship?
	You invite that other person on the journey with you.
	It's not something where you give them homework and assignments and say, go and learn these verses.
	Go and figure out how to make this real in your life.
	It's more so like, hey, let's check this out.
	Let's see how this works together.
	You know, we'll read the passages.
	We'll talk about the passages.
	We'll go and we'll exhibit the passages in our lives.
	That's how discipleship works.
	How do we know that? Because that's what Jesus did.
	Yes, yes. Well, that really is true.
	And, you know, when you're talking about that through crisis and through pain, that's what C.S. Lewis said.
	You know, God speaks to us through our pain.
	And actually, I think he used the analogy of, you know, the blows of a sculptor changing us in our life.
	Nobody wants to go through that, but it is a really loving process.
	And I think we go back and we look at the crises in our lives as I'm about your age and we're in the review stage here.
	And we look at the most difficult times in our life, that was the time when God spoke to us and moved us in a different direction.
	Yeah, that's true. And our tendency is to try to restore everything to quote-unquote normal.
	Yeah, that's right. Well, often the reason that we're having the crisis is because normal ain't working for us.
	So to be willing to say, okay, this might be a great opportunity for me to rethink this a little bit, that's the direction God may be pushing us.
	That's true. And when I look at some of the discussion points here about your book, embrace an eternal perspective, properly define what a successful life is.
	That's one of the key things.
	You know, if God is going to, you know, as you point out, the normal is not working for you, maybe he's got a new normal for you.
	He's going to change what you really want.
	And how you define success is not just simply being comfortable.
	Maybe it's something else, isn't it?
	It is. And, you know, for those parents who are trying to get a handle on, okay, okay, but where do I start with all of this?
	I feel overwhelmed.
	I'm not a theologian.
	I don't know where to start.
	One of the greatest discoveries I feel that I've ever made out of the data, you know, I feel like Isaac Newton here, is a really late one night.
	It was like one or two in the morning.
	I'm playing with data. And one of the things I found is there are seven particular beliefs that That fit together and can serve as a great biblical worldview foundation.
	What the data showed is if you embrace all seven of these very simple biblical perspectives and you try to carry them out in your life, You'll have an 83% probability of going on to develop a complete biblical worldview.
	If you reject any one, one or more of these seven, I'm calling them the cornerstones of the biblical worldview, if you reject one or more of the cornerstones, then you've got only a 2% probability of developing a biblical worldview.
	That's how important these seven elements are.
	And, you know, when people hear them, you know, devoted Christians laugh.
	Come on, that's Sunday School 101.
	Yeah, but apparently most people didn't pay attention during Sunday School 101.
	That's why we started 15 months.
	That's right. Tell us real quickly what they are.
	I'm dying to know. Yeah.
	I mean, number one is you not only believe that God exists, but you know that in terms of his nature and character, he's all-knowing, all-loving, you know, all-powerful.
	He's perfect. He's just.
	He wants to be involved in your life because he created you because he wants to love you.
	He wants that relationship.
	Okay, knowing there's that kind of God who's perfect and just and holy and so forth, that's great.
	But cornerstone number two, but recognize that we're born as sinners.
	We sin throughout our lives.
	We're born into that approach.
	And every choice we make has consequences.
	And our sins have eternal consequences.
	And so cornerstone number three is recognizing that the only real antidote to that consequence, the negative consequence of our sins, is Jesus Christ.
	So what we can do is acknowledge that we're sinners, you know, own up to it, fess up to it, ask Him to forgive us for our sins, and most importantly, truly repent, genuinely repent, which means that not just I'm saying, yeah, give me, you know, eternal fire insurance, but it's saying I really feel remorse over the fact that these choices of mine, these sins, break God's heart.
	I don't want to do that anymore.
	So God, give me the strength to fight back the temptation to keep sinning.
	Cornerstone number four is saying that, you know what, we know what those sins are because God gave us his word.
	He gave us principles for life.
	So he identifies sins.
	He identifies the right way to live.
	He identifies what gives him and us joy.
	And cornerstone number five is saying that, and the Bible in the course of doing so gives us absolute moral truths.
	And so it's not based on our life conditions.
	It's not based on our feelings.
	It's not based on our situation.
	It's not based on what's most popular or most common.
	God has given us absolute moral truths.
	And when we reject those, we will reap the consequences of what we've sown through that rejection.
	Cornerstone number six goes to what you were saying, recognizing what success in life is.
	And the Bible tells us that, God makes it very clear, that success is not about money, it's not about cars, it's not about the trophy, spouse, you know, any of that kind of stuff, fame, etc.
	It's simply about being consistently obedient to God.
	You can be a homeless person wearing rags, not knowing if you're going to get another meal, but if you're consistently obedient to God, you are a success in life.
	Not in the world's eyes, but in God's eyes.
	And then the final one is understanding that when God created you, He loved you and He gave you a purpose for life.
	And that universal purpose that all of us share is There's a unique purpose he'll give to each of those who are following Jesus.
	But that universal purpose each of us has is very simply to know, love, and serve God with all our heart, mind, strength, and soul.
	So when you put these seven things together, it completely changes your understanding of how life works, who you are, why you're here, how to live, how to gauge whether or not your life is making the difference that God wants it to make.
	And yet, those seven things are very easy for us as parents to wrap our arms around and to be able to share those with our children and to go on a journey with our children pursuing those seven things.
	And as you were alluding to earlier, the way I say it to parents is, look, you don't have to be a theologian.
	You only have to be 10 seconds ahead of your kids.
	And if you are, this is going to work.
	It's going to work great. Invite them on the journey with you.
	That's right. Yeah. Yeah, if you can now think that 15-month-old, stay a few steps ahead of them, you got it made, and God will give you what you need to do that.
	You know, He always does equip us for the things that He assigns to us, and that's the key thing, stepping out in faith.
	And we've had a lot of people have to do that over the last couple of years when they were Uh, uh, confronted with things, uh, in their own life, uh, that were going to be shut off to them, uh, if they didn't violate their conscience.
	And so I think this is, uh, that, that may have been a difficult time of training, uh, for many people in our society.
	And, and so that makes me very optimistic about the future because we've had a lot of people who have been under the sculptor's, uh, chisel of the That's a few years.
	And it came through from the other side.
	And to this new normal, they've got a very different perspective after having gone through that.
	Well, that certainly is sage advice.
	And it looks like an excellent book.
	Again, the book is, you pull the book up, Raising Spiritual Champions, Nurturing Your Child's Heart, Mind, and Spirit.
	And you can find that at, I guess, best place, Amazon.
	Is that the best place to find that?
	Or do you sell it directly? Yeah.
	It is. Yeah, and we've got it both in paperback and digital versions, so whichever you prefer, it's available.
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	All right, and joining us now, our guest has written a book, Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning.
	And I am really anxious to talk to her because she grew up in China.
	She was there during Mao's Cultural Revolution.
	She eventually came to America.
	And I have seen this over and over again.
	You had Rod Dreher.
	Said he had his friend's parents, who had been in Stalinist Russia, were getting very upset.
	They said, this is exactly the same stuff we saw in Russia.
	This is exactly the same stuff she saw in China.
	And we need to understand where these people are taking us, and we need to understand what their tactics are.
	So joining us now is Xi Van Fleet.
	Her book is Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning.
	Thank you so much for joining us.
	Thank you for inviting me.
	And you came to prominence.
	I mean, you were just kind of living a quiet life here in America, and you came to prominence in Loudoun, Virginia, because you were speaking out against some of the things that you saw in school.
	You said, this is exactly what I saw as a child growing up in China.
	This is the communist tactic.
	Tell us a little bit about this. Yeah, of course, that was something that I was not prepared for.
	So I went to school board and thinking I'm just doing my duty and have no idea that my video went viral.
	And at the same time, I was shocked to find how few people know anything about communism and fewer people know about the Cultural Revolution.
	And that's why I say that people have no idea what woke is.
	They thought it's something new.
	They thought it's just, oh, the left went crazy.
	But for people who experienced Cultural Revolution and who lived under communism, you don't have to experience the exact, what I experienced, the Chinese Cultural Revolution.
	If you live under communism, we recognize it.
	Yes.
	Yes. That's what Rod Dreher was saying.
	He said the people who have lived under it, whether it was Russia or China, they can smell it a mile away because you can't not look the other direction.
	I was surprised because we adopted our daughter from China.
	I was surprised when we went there about 15 years ago to see all these pictures of Mao everywhere because I knew the hardships that people had gone through and how many people had died, the Cultural Revolution, all these other things.
	I was surprised to see him still essentially revered.
	But we do that, don't we, in various countries?
	Yeah, and Marx, you know, the evil genius that his toxic ideology led to the deaths of more than 100 million people.
	He was...
	It still has been revered by this left and by the professors and the university and the students there as well.
	So yeah, because this ideology has never been public, trialed, and denounced.
	And that is the problem.
	And that's why your book is very important.
	Tell us a little bit about what it was like growing up as a child in the cultural revolution.
	Did you get sent out into the rural areas and everything as they were doing?
	Yeah, it's a long history and it's complicated and I do my best to just make it short and still make sense.
	Okay, so I was...
	In my second semester of the first grade when Cultural Revolution started in 1966.
	So I had one semester of more or less normal education.
	And I remember very little, but I do remember, you know, in the reading class, we were learning sentences that's just describing nature, kind of peaceful, kind of memorable, and a normal kind of thing.
	Mm-hmm. And then that was it.
	That's the only thing I remember.
	And then heading on to the second semester, that's when the Cultural Revolution started and pretty much immediately the school was closed because all the principals and teachers were ousted by the students because they were They become the target of the Cultural Revolution because Mao condemned all of them as counter-revolution,
	reactionary intellectual authority, meaning they were the enemy of the state, should be ousted.
	So the students turned against the teachers and the school were closed.
	Closed for me, two years.
	And for other places, as long as four years.
	No school. Total chaos.
	And so we, as little kids, had nothing to do.
	So we went to the streets.
	every day and then what we witness is the unfolding of the cultural revolution of the struggle sessions parade of those people being denounced and the Red Guards debate each other and pretty soon and cancel culture definitely smashing of statues and taking down any signboards of stores that We're traditional.
	Anything that is not communist or revolutionary, we're all smashed and destroyed and pretty soon turned into violence.
	You know, I did an interview not too long ago with an individual who wrote a book He wrote a book about a Project Veritas whistleblower's experience in a corporation and how they were pushing this critical race theory and things like that.
	And he was very upset about it. He was black.
	And he was still upset about it.
	He didn't like it. And so he started taking notes.
	And then he became a whistleblower for Project Veritas.
	Then he wrote the book. And when I talked to the guy who wrote the book with him and really for him, he was saying, yeah, you know, all this stuff that's happening, critical race theory and all the rest of this stuff, people want to call it Marxism.
	It's not Marxism. It's like, oh, it is Marxism.
	It absolutely is.
	In so many different ways.
	I couldn't believe it when you said that.
	I didn't really, you know, get into it with him because I really wanted to find out this guy's experiences.
	But, you know, it really is purely Marxism.
	Talk about the struggle sessions, and people can understand.
	If they understand some of the specifics of these things, you know, what does a struggle session look like?
	They'll start to see how it aligns with what we're seeing here in the United States.
	Yes, yes. But I want to add to what you just said.
	Too many people. I'm not talking about people on the left.
	I'm talking about conservatives.
	Still, we don't have enough people to understand the nature of folkism.
	It is pure cultural Marxism and pure Maoism.
	And that's why I call my book Mao's America.
	It is Maoism with American characteristics.
	And that's why I don't like to use the term woke.
	I mean, first of all, these people are not awake.
	They're not conscious of what's going on.
	And the people who use that term, that's another trick that they do.
	They come up with their own labels for themselves and their labels for you.
	And we must not use those labels because that's propaganda, too.
	The CCP used the same word, woke.
	Did they really? Yeah, they did.
	They did. And in Chinese, it's called jiewu, meaning awakening inside you, a consciousness.
	And we have to raise our class consciousness and see everything in terms of class.
	And so anyone that somehow runs against the party narrative is cast as the enemy of the state or the black class.
	And you always want to do anything to remain in the red class, which is the allies of revolution.
	And constantly everyone has to raise their class wokeness or consciousness.
	Now, same terminology.
	People, of course, they don't know because they never learned the history.
	I think it's interesting in this country, too, that they got everybody to agree with, okay, we've got the red states and the blue states.
	It's like, no, the blue states are pushing Marxism, socialism.
	The red states, you know, red has always been the color of the communists, as you just pointed out.
	Yeah, revolution. Yeah, exactly.
	And so, you know, they do that to muddy the water, to confuse people.
	And you've got people out there saying, yes, we're the red states, we're the...
	I know. See, I am so disgusted with communism.
	For the longest time, I don't want to wear anything red.
	Because that just reminds me of communism, of revolution, of blood, of violence.
	And then come here, okay, you know, we are, you know.
	Republic is red, but then I found out the Democrats did the switch because they don't want to associate with communism, which is exactly what they are.
	Anyway, so now I embrace red because now I'm conservative because stuck with the color red.
	We just have to make the best of it.
	I just try to avoid that term, red and woke, as much as I can.
	And you know, if you go back and you look at Antifa, I got a friend who was in Germany, and he says, you go back to the 1930s, they haven't even changed their flag.
	They had the same flag in Germany in the 1930s that they've got now.
	And so, yeah, it is amazing how they just import this stuff over them, because Americans don't know their history, and they don't know what has happened in other countries.
	They just, they swallow it, hook, line, and sinker.
	So tell us about the struggle sessions.
	Yes, struggle session. What is struggle session?
	Actually, I'm going a little deeper what that really means.
	Struggle session is a term used not just during the Cultural Revolution.
	It started as soon as the Communists took over China in 1949.
	And then one of the major campaigns they launched is called land reform.
	Land reform is what Communists did To fulfill their promise to the peasants who support their revolution, that they're going to give the free land to them.
	Go ahead, that's okay.
	Yeah, and I got some free gift for you here.
	Okay, good, good.
	Yeah, okay. So, here, listen to it.
	How do you get all the peasants together And fight the landlord in order to get their land to raise their class consciousness.
	Because the peasant did not know such a thing as a class.
	That was an alien to them.
	So they have to be taught.
	And just like a DEI training.
	So the communists trained the peasants and told them, you are poor, not because you did not work hard, not because you are not smart.
	Mm-hmm. And we're seeing that now in terms of reparations.
	Because I do agree that, you know, there they used, and in Europe they used class.
	And that doesn't work here in America because, you know, nobody really saw themselves as being a different class.
	But they did see themselves as being a different race, a different skin color.
	Yeah. So that's what they focused on, and that's why there's been so much focus on white privilege and all the rest of this stuff, and why the reparations is really very much like the promises of land reform.
	They even go back and say, well, you know, after slavery, you're supposed to get an acre and 40 mules or something like that.
	They actually make these kinds of analogies, yeah.
	Yeah, same idea. But anyway, to raise your class to be woke is the condition to have a revolution.
	And then the peasants finally said, okay, we are poor.
	They were taught. They are poor because The rich exploit it and oppress them.
	So now everyone knows there are two classes.
	There's a black class, there's a red class, and they are enemies.
	And then the goal of the red class is to eradicate the black class.
	So that is the beginning of the political Identity and that was the thing that the CCP used to permanently divide the Chinese people.
	Okay, going back to the...
	So the struggle session started in the land reform in 1949 to 1951.
	The same formula, the same tactic is the landlord or the rich peasants will be struggled against like a public trial and the peasants would condemn them and the peasants were coached to retell their suffering and then blame all their suffering, all their problems to the landlord.
	And then they will say, what do we do with the landlord?
	And I will dance to the landlord and then drag out and execute it.
	And that's how it started.
	And during the Cultural Revolution, the enemy has shifted.
	It's no longer the landlord and the rich peasants.
	They become those in power, meaning those were the CCP. Bureaucrats or the CCP leadership.
	Why? Because Mao felt like he was no longer in control of his party.
	He wanted to purge everyone.
	He can't purge everyone because that would look like he was after his own party.
	He had a better idea.
	He mobilized all the young people from his government schools and his universities.
	Those were called the Red Guards.
	So they mobilized the Red Guards, gave them Power.
	Pure power and dismantled the police and the law enforcement.
	And no one can stop them.
	Anything they do was justified.
	Anything they do has no consequences.
	So they went after those in power.
	All levels of the government from the village to the central government.
	So that is what the Red Guards did.
	Struggle session. I witnessed the struggle session for the governor of my province.
	Because the governor was pretty tall, so they got two basketball players to hold him on the stage, and so to make the governor look small.
	And then the Red Guard have a loud speaker and denounce him, and so then people shout slogans.
	And during that particular struggle session, I did not see violence, but he was beaten.
	He was struggled against...
	He probably went to like a hundred of this kind of a struggle session.
	And his wife was also part of that struggle sessions.
	And during one struggle session, they pulled the red guards, pulled all her hair off.
	Wow. And eventually she committed suicide.
	Wow. So there was a violent struggle session that people were beaten to death right on the spot.
	And there were milder, which is just verbal abuse.
	That's what I looked at. But that's not it.
	It's not just... Struggle session is not something against denounced enemy.
	Struggle session really, really means...
	Struggle against yourself.
	And in CCP's word, it's criticism and self-criticism.
	As a young kid, I went through it's routine it's every week there is a political study and then we have to read some of the Mao's quotation and then we carry out this self-criticism and self-criticism so each kid will say whatever the person you know the kid did not do well enough According to most instructions.
	So you denounce yourself.
	Wow. And we see that today.
	We see that today. Kids have to denounce themselves because of their, you know, their gender, you know, and their normalcy or whatever that we would say, or their skin color.
	It's exactly the same thing that they do.
	See? See? You see?
	Yeah. So you denounce yourself, and then you denounce your classmates.
	So we go around and around and around.
	You say, okay, I did not do this right, you know.
	Of course, we did not say we have privilege.
	You know, just say we were not up to mouse instruction that we should do better.
	And then say, so-and-so, that day I saw you say this, and I saw you act like that, and that's not right.
	So that is really the core.
	It's not those kind of public trials.
	It is at every level.
	Every person is involved in struggling with So that's exactly what we're seeing now.
	DEI. You denounce your privilege if you're white.
	And you swear that you'll do better.
	And then you denounce your co-worker who you heard saying this and that.
	And that's Absolutely the same thing.
	Oh, yes. I remember the testimony of a young girl who was pressured into gender mutilation and surgery and things like that.
	And she said, you know, I got into this group because, and I forget what it was, it was some pop group that she liked or some game that she liked or something like that.
	And so it was just a special interest group.
	group, but everybody that was in it was into this type of struggle session thing.
	She didn't call it that, but she said, you know, they were all leftist and, you know, and I was just heterosexual and I was white and I had to denounce myself to be a part of this group.
	And so I started denouncing all the, it wasn't enough to just say, okay, you do whatever you want.
	I had to hate myself for that.
	And I had to make these confessions to them.
	That is what they're doing to all the kids.
	It's amazing how they have very insidiously and subtly and undercover inserted all of these psychological tactics that were used by Mao in America.
	Of course, because people have no idea because they don't know history.
	And people like me see through right away because it's the same, absolutely the same thing.
	So you can't be just not a racist, right?
	You have to be anti-racist.
	Yes. Yes. Yeah, so exactly the same idea.
	Yes. Tell us a little bit about the cancel culture, of course, which is tied with that as well, and the need for them to destroy statues.
	We just saw this fetishized destruction of a Robert E. Lee statue, and they took up a very high-quality video of them melting it down, all the rest of the stuff.
	This is a very important thing for the communists to take down statues and to erase the culture that's existing there.
	Yeah. The goal is to erase past, period.
	Cancer culture is really to, in China, it's called destruction of the four old.
	Old idea, old culture, old habit, old custom.
	Anything that is traditional, anything that is pre-communist, Communist regime has to be erased, has to be destroyed.
	And you start with something very symbolic, right?
	Anything that everyone can see, and then what you do?
	You go and destroy the statues.
	And so, in China, we did not have many public statues as in the West.
	Most of them were religious statues, such as...
	In the Buddhist temple or in church.
	And that's what they went after.
	They destroyed all the statues and that's not it.
	They changed the names of everything that is not traditional, that is traditional, such as institution names, store names, food brand.
	Sounds familiar? Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, exactly. Great names.
	Oh, man. We're deep into this.
	We're deep into this, aren't we?
	So the four O's, old ideas, old culture, old habit.
	What was the fourth one? And old customs.
	Old customs. Interesting.
	It's just the civilization of China.
	Yeah. It all has to go wide.
	Because if you want to install Maoism as the supreme ideology or the religion of the land, you have to remove everything before it.
	And the cancel culture went to the next stage.
	Okay, they destroyed everything in the public.
	And they said there were more.
	They were hidden in people's homes.
	And we have to go after that.
	That's what they did.
	They raided people's homes.
	and took whatever they think is old, destroyed them or confiscated them.
	This is the largest looting operation in history Wow.
	Wow. Of course, you know, we have the IRS is going to be made five to seven times bigger, depending on which budget they go through.
	And that's what I'm concerned about is that they're going to go around confiscating not necessarily statues because people don't have that many statues or things like that on their own, but go around confiscating any physical property.
	Tell us a little bit about what they did to the family.
	Because that is a key part of this, you know, in America.
	Was there, as part of the four O's, would that, I don't know, would the family fall into one of these in terms of culture or custom or something like that?
	Yes. Okay.
	I'm sorry. Oh, that's okay.
	Take your time. Drink something if you'd like to.
	Go ahead. Go ahead. I'll cover here for you.
	You said that, again, we look at things like critical race theory and stuff like that.
	Again, we're talking about race rather than class.
	That's the difference in communism in America versus China or Europe.
	But again, old ideas, old cultures, old habits, and old customs.
	And I imagine family fits in there somewhere.
	Absolutely. So, for family, you don't have to guess.
	You just read Communist Manifesto.
	It's laid out there clearly.
	There's three things they want to abolish.
	One is private property.
	Another is religion.
	Another is family.
	So, that is laid out there, you know, clear for everyone to see.
	They have to destroy religion because in order to implement communism as the religion and this is very very important communism is not How come it is a religion?
	Even though they say they're against religion, but it is a religion.
	It replaces religion.
	So they have to destroy religion and they have to destroy family because those are the foundations of any society.
	So That started very early on, especially in schools.
	And so it was very, very clear to everyone, not just to kids, but to parents as well.
	The kids belong to the state.
	Yes. And the parents understand that.
	And so if you have to choose between your parents and the state, you choose the state.
	And there's no question about it.
	Many kids reported their parents during the Cultural Revolution to the authority.
	And some of the parents were arrested and some were executed.
	It was so clear in my mind, in every kid's mind, the party was our parents.
	and the chairman Mao was our parent and that is if you talk to any any people lived under communism it is a common threat they destroy religion they destroy family Yeah, and of course, those of us who knew about that understood and saw that when Hillary Clinton said it takes a village to raise a child.
	You destroy the family, you put the children under the care of the government.
	We had MSNBC running the Public service announcements a few years ago.
	Melissa Harris Perry, I think was her name.
	She said, we've got to get over this idea that children belong to the parents.
	And at that point in time, they hadn't really found something that they could use as a wedge.
	Now what they're doing is they're using this transgender thing as a wedge.
	And that's where it's coming in.
	But it'll be other things. You know, you'll be denounced.
	It'll be other things. Yeah, it'll be other things.
	That's just the first thing that they're doing right now.
	Yeah. Yeah, that was not on the horizon.
	You know, people are looking at this.
	Oh, okay, fine. You know, the village is there.
	They're going to help to do it.
	But, you know, where is the conflict here?
	And so they came up with the conflict.
	First they sell you the idea that the kids belong to the state and to the society and to the village, and then they find the issues of conflict to punish the parents with.
	But actually, they have been doing that before transgender.
	Transgender really just showcased how they are trying to cut the ties between parents and children and actively set children up against their parents.
	But for decades, they have been teaching the values of communism and Marxism.
	And even though...
	That's not what Americans know about.
	But they have been developing the children with a new set of ideologies and created this conflict between generations, right?
	And as a lot of families, especially in recent years, a lot of families just broken up just like the Cultural Revolution because they don't agree With each other ideologically.
	And they have been doing that for a very, very long time.
	And they will find other issues and they will find any issues to advance their agenda.
	That means to take the children away from the parents so they control them.
	That's right. Yeah, you know, just as we saw that they used class in China and in Europe as a dividing thing, and here they use skin color, then I think also in the same way, this dividing wedge, I've seen this, as you talk about, this has been going on for decades, of course, and I remember one of the first cases that I saw this is up in Massachusetts, and it was a father who didn't want his eight-year-old girl in a sex education class, and at the time...
	Was not into all of these, shall we say, highly deviant sexual practices that are going on right now.
	But she was eight years old.
	He said, I don't think she's mature enough for this.
	And they said, well, she has to do it.
	So he went to school to take her out.
	They arrested him for trespassing.
	And the judge said, when you drop your child off at the school, you have surrendered them to the state, and we will act in loco parentis in place of the parents.
	And so there's been this wedge that You know, that they've been making the wedge of, the sexual wedge, they've been making it wider and wider with all the different diverse practices and everything.
	But just as they began to use this wedge of sexuality against the parents, and this really kind of does go back even to the mid-20th century, you know, where you had the, and then following up, you know, in the 1950s, the generation gap, and then the sexual revolution, all this.
	They've been using the sex thing as a wedge issue, especially with the parents, And they really weaponized it in a very visual way, especially in just the last few years.
	But they'll find other things, as you pointed out.
	It always is something. Yeah, sex was their secret weapon.
	But it's really anything traditional, anything kind of normal they are challenging right now, right?
	And in a communist country, we were taught we were equal to the parents.
	We can educate our parents.
	So many times we were taught that we were better than our parents because we know better.
	We are more updated in our learning.
	And so we should always watch out.
	Our parents and make sure they are up to date with their learning.
	And that's why in communist countries, they worship or they give power to the youth.
	And that's what we're doing now.
	The young people, they know...
	We're led to believe that they know better or they know what's best for them.
	And the same ideology, the same idea that the children are better off knowing what's best for them than the parents.
	That's right. And I saw that, you know, even though I was a child at the time, We're good to go.
	That in China, it was a lot more conservative and not as fluctuating as it has been in America because of the embracing of media and entertainment and of the baby boom, teenagers and all the rest of the stuff.
	They were able to then have this rapidly evolving culture that really kind of played into their hands, I think.
	But was it more conservative in China when Mao came in?
	In terms of culture and family.
	Yeah, it was very traditional.
	But during the Cultural Revolution, everything turned upside down.
	In the Cultural Revolution, to us, the world...
	turned upside down just like today we're told similar things i think some of them were not as extreme as what we see in america but we were also told that there's no difference between men and women we're the same we uh whatever men can do women can do better the other half of the sky The other half of the sky. Yeah, like Biden told it.
	And so, we dress like a man.
	We talk like a man.
	We think like a man.
	We act like a man.
	So, if you go to China in the 60s and 70s, you see a sea of gray.
	People look like, and you can hardly distinguish the gender.
	And so, we were made into a genderless society.
	So Mao always bragged that he liberated women from the oppression of the old society and of the patriarchy.
	But they did not give them choice.
	So they're all liberated from the household shores and their children were sent to daycare by the government.
	So they were forced to join their workforce.
	They become Same idea.
	Same idea. Same idea.
	Same idea. Yeah, we just add in a kind of a sexual deviance overtone to it.
	But it is that radical leveling, which is another, you know, everything in communism is leveled, right?
	You know, we take everybody down, except for the people at top.
	And everybody else owns nothing, and they're happier in all that, aren't they?
	Yeah. No, that's what I say.
	Now we're taught that we should own nothing and be happy.
	In Chinese, in the communist China, in most times especially, that we have nothing and we have to be happy.
	If you show that you're not happy, if you show that you're dissatisfied, you will end up in a struggle session or in the gulags.
	Yeah, that's what they're working on here.
	If you are not happy, you better take the Brave New World approach.
	You can self-medicate with drugs or alcohol or sex or whatever to just drop out of the world.
	But if you pay attention and you get upset about it, you get the 1984 treatment.
	It's amazing how this is all coming around and we're seeing exactly the same type of thing.
	So, You've written the book, you've gone around and talked to a lot of people, and trying to wake up Americans, are they starting to see the light in this?
	I do. I think when I started to talk, and I remember one particular place, and I went to talk, and I talked about cultural revolution, Red Guards, and I just noticed there's this kind of blank Look from the audience.
	And I realize, my God, they really don't know anything.
	I have to start from the very beginning.
	And I can't just say the Cultural Revolution.
	What is Cultural Revolution?
	Why Cultural Revolution?
	What is Red Guard? How it come into being?
	And there's just too much to explain in, you know, like 40 minutes speak.
	And in the process, a lot of people ask me, you know, I met a lot of people in the past two years.
	And they said, do you have a book?
	I'm going to write a book.
	And it's because that I know that I need to write this book to explain everything in more detail.
	How and why and where and all that.
	And I hope that it's going to be helpful for people to understand what the Chinese Cultural Revolution is about and why it's so similar to the American Cultural Revolution that is unfolding in front of us.
	Yeah, you know, people talk about communist subversion, but the reason they mention that is because these people have brought the exact same tactics and plans in and, you know, pretended that this is just something that they thought of.
	And if we don't understand the pattern and how this has been used and what it led to, it's going to be really bad.
	Now, were you there during the period when there was a lot of starvation and things like that?
	No, no. I was born in that time.
	And it started in 1959, lasted three years.
	So, no, I... So you're not, as a child, you're not really caught up in the Great Leap Forward type of thing, right?
	No, I was too little for that.
	But... Everybody, you know, like my parents' generation, know about stories or still alive that I know enough growing up.
	But I did not understand why, but I just understood that it was a time that everyone was going hungry, and those were lucky ones because they were in the city.
	And they have ration.
	They have ration of a certain amount of food, even though everybody was going hungry.
	But in the countryside, that's where deaths took place.
	Up to 50 million Chinese peasants died.
	Wow. It's very interesting how both Stalin and Mao use so many of the same tactics, as you're pointing out, struggle sessions and everything.
	You know, Stalin had his purges.
	But then at the beginning of all this, you know, Stalin had his halamador and Ukraine goes to the place where it's the most fertile and starves the people to death.
	Mao does the same thing with his great leap forward.
	And it's very troubling to see that now that we have our technocrat overlords who are saying, well, we're going to have to change the way you do food, and we're going to dismantle the food supply, we're going to dismantle energy, we're going to do all this stuff, all of that stuff.
	Seems to be that same tactic seems to be on the horizon.
	And of course, that really is kind of at the leading edge of the oppression.
	Because first, you have to take everything away from everybody and do your great reset before you can impose this new system.
	And I think they've got a timeline for this new system of 2030.
	So I think they're going to escalate this pretty quickly.
	What do you think? Yes, I think that people absolutely need to understand this.
	Communism has nothing to do with communalism, right?
	Communal, we're just sharing, we're happy together, we take away private property, so there's no exploitation, we're all happy together.
	Communism is all about one thing, control.
	Yes. Okay, control everything.
	In people's lives.
	Control what you can have.
	Control where you can live.
	And now we're told 15 minutes the city is where we should live.
	Control where you can move during the mouse time.
	They control in such a way that nobody can really move Just to visit another place because they give you a coupon for food and that coupon only applies to where you live.
	So if you say, I'm going to take three months vacation, travel around the country, you can't do that.
	First of all, you have no money.
	And second, your coupon could not apply to another city.
	So you're kind of stuck where you were and how many children you can have.
	Right? When before, they want to have as many children as possible.
	They follow Stalin's policy.
	As many, and then they change it.
	Only have one. If you have more, you're dragged to the hospital and your baby will forcefully abort it.
	And then what you can say, There's no freedom of speech.
	Zero. Okay?
	And if you have to praise the party, you have to praise it correctly.
	If you praise the party incorrectly, you're also in trouble.
	And mostly, mostly, people pay attention what you can think.
	So that is communism.
	In a nutshell. Control.
	That's true. And so people think, do you know that what you're taught was a lie when you were in school?
	How do I know? I have no idea.
	Because all the information was controlled.
	I have no idea to compare to anything, right?
	It's just one... One version of truth, and it's from the party.
	And one source of information is from the party media or from the school.
	Everything is controlled by...
	So when you have no other information, you can't think.
	You cannot think critically without access to information.
	That's right. And that's why they're working so hard on censorship now.
	Yes, exactly. It is a very insidious program.
	And of course, it's interesting when you talk about the one-child policy, because what China has done is that they've aligned themselves with this globalist climate movement.
	And the globalist climate movement is a perfect fit, a perfect...
	Rationale for them to institute communism.
	One of the clips that I've played several times is Justin Trudeau.
	He was asked, what's your favorite country in the world besides, of course, Canada?
	And he says, China, because I could tell everybody what to do to save the environment.
	That's exactly what this is all about.
	They have a rationale to tell everybody what to do, and they're going to control everything in our lives on the basis of that, including how many kids we have.
	And, of course, The whole climate and environmental movement was born out of depopulation, and the idea that humans are a virus and we've got to reduce humanity, which is exactly what Stalin and Mao wanted to do with their starvation programs.
	There's too many people here to control, so let's reduce the number of people here, and as I reduce them and devastate the population in my country, I can show my authority.
	And establish myself as the, you know, the dread authority in this particular country.
	It's amazing how they have followed through to the letter all of these same policies, and it's a plan that's just rolling out to us.
	And also, you know what's happening in China now, right?
	They ran out of cheap labor.
	They are in deep, deep trouble.
	And the population is so aged.
	And really, the future is dire.
	And then, you know what?
	The party said, you should have three.
	Yeah, see, that is worse than depopulation.
	In the very beginning, Stalin encouraged first after the Second World War, right?
	They have like a ward to mothers who have nine children, ten children, and Mao did the same thing.
	They control everything according to their needs.
	So now they ask people to have three.
	Well, that's not that easy.
	You just ask and people just have three.
	But this started with party members.
	Party members, if you want promotion, you are required to have three children.
	Well, that's communism.
	Control. Control of everything.
	Just flip the switch and now we're going to do something completely different.
	Did you have any experience when you were there in terms of Christian persecution, the underground church that was there?
	I had no idea what Christianity was.
	That's the truth. And so, no idea, because religion removed out of our lives.
	The only thing that, you know, in China, the largest religion is Buddhism, has been Buddhism.
	Okay, so there are temples, and even though some of them were destroyed, but there are still some in the city, but they turned into parks.
	So growing up, I go into this so-called Buddhist parks.
	So I know there's such a thing.
	And then we're told they're all superstitious.
	And it's all backward and primitive.
	So I just go there and look at the Buddha and just thinking, that's just so stupid.
	They make a statue like that.
	So religion was absent in our lives.
	And of course, I know better.
	We had a religion, that's communism.
	And we had a God, that's Mao.
	And we had a Bible, that's the Mao's red little book.
	But only in the early 80s, And so I was working in a college for training school teachers.
	And then Americans started coming in, and they want to see churches.
	And so by then, some of them started to open.
	And I was shocked to find there is a building that I passed through there countless times was a church.
	And so I took them there, the American teachers, and there I met a young guy.
	And so he said, I was 20, in my early 20s, and he was two.
	So he said he was Christian, and because his parents had passed it down to them, they just do it at home.
	I was like, really?
	I have no clue. I really had no clue that there was such a thing that in China, among us, there were some underground Christians.
	So, of course, later, you know, it opened up a little more, and Yes.
	Churches that are not closed become the party churches.
	Yes.
	And if you go to some of the churches in the altar, it's Mao's portrait and Xi Jinping's portrait.
	Yes.
	And next to the cross.
	I've talked about that many times.
	If you're going to put up a cross, you've got to put Mao on one side and Xi Jinping on the other side.
	And I said, do they realize that they've got Jesus and the two thieves on either side?
	Yeah. So, if you, today, if you go to China, you can still go to church.
	There's still some open. Those are CCP's church.
	Yes. And the real church is underground.
	And then later, after I came out, I met more people who were part of that underground church.
	So... They call it the church of the three-person self or something like that, don't they, isn't it?
	Something like that. Yeah, the three-self was a policy that was installed early on.
	Basically, they are going to make church, Chinese church.
	Mm-hmm. You know, and not even Chinese church, CCP's church.
	Yes, yes. So if you go to today, if you go to...
	I went, actually, I checked the Association for Buddhism in China, Christianity, Catholic, whatever.
	If you go to their website, their landing page is the support, the Communist Party, the support socialism, the support...
	Forget it. You know, they are not really independent.
	And you find that, you know, what they started doing, even the churches that were doing that, you know, trying to bow and scrape to the Communist Party, they would then come in and tear them down anyway, you know?
	I mean, it's just, you know, it depends on what their whim is.
	I remember when we were there, we were there for a couple of weeks, and then as we went south into Hong Kong and were on the train, I saw crosses for the first time.
	It's like, you know, I haven't I hadn't seen any churches or any crosses or anything like that the whole time we were there in China.
	You know, it was all underground. But it's pretty big underground from all reports because that kind of persecution really grows a church.
	And it grows real strong church members who...
	They're not going to be coming for the ice cream social.
	That's just that way.
	They're there for it because they're really serious about it.
	That's another thing people should know.
	Under communism, there's absolutely no freedom For religion or faith.
	Well, I think they're right to understand that the church is their enemy, because I think that is the most effective guerrilla organization to oppose this kind of authoritarianism.
	Christianity was the roots of our liberal society in the West, and it's going to be the way that they're going to uproot the communists from the ground up, I think, in that country.
	But, you know, when you're talking about the fact that even they wanted to control What you think.
	That was when Rod Dreyer was talking to people who had come from Russia and places like that, and in the tradition of Solzhenitsyn, he actually named his book Live Not by Lies, because that was an essay by Solzhenitsyn.
	That's what they want you to do.
	They want you to, as you point out, as a child, you're given one source of information, and that's just the way that it is, and so you just go with that.
	But for the other people, and if you come up with, eventually they're going to come to you and tell you that they want you to repeat two plus two equals five.
	And if you don't do that.
	Until you believe it.
	Yes.
	Until you believe it.
	Exactly.
	And so that's the thing.
	It's about breaking your will to eventually come in.
	And I think that's another aspect of what we see with this gender stuff.
	You know, you have to, regardless of what you actually see or know or whatever, you've got to deny that and go with what they say is real.
	And so that's the key thing, you know?
	And that was the one thing that Solzhenitsyn saw that was the common thing amongst all these different totalitarian societies is that ultimately...
	You're going to have to bend what you know is true.
	It's going to have to be bent to what they want you to say just as a power exercise.
	And we see that happening now in the United States.
	And that's why it's so important for people to say, nope.
	We're not going to go there. And understand where all of this is coming from.
	All of these things, as you point out, Mao's America, warning America of the fact that this is a plan.
	It is an agenda.
	They've executed this plan, and it's going to be so much worse for us because now they have the leverage of technology that Mao didn't have.
	And also, just this morning, I watched a clip of the interview by this guy, George He used to be Clinton's advisor.
	A Greek name? I can't remember right now.
	George whatever, Kalaplos.
	Oh, Stephanopoulos?
	Stephanopoulos? Yes, and he interviewed a Congress member, and he just kept doing that.
	Can you say that 2020 election is not stolen?
	And then when he was talking about something, he'd bring it back, he'd bring it back, he'd bring it back.
	Can you say yes or no, it is stolen?
	That's exactly the same tactic.
	Struggle session. Can you say, this man is standing in front of you, that he is a woman.
	You have to say it. Can you say it?
	Say it now. Same tactic.
	It's a struggle session, isn't it?
	Well, it is time for us to struggle against these people, and you have to, people need to understand, that's why your book is so important, people need to understand the tactics.
	This is nothing new.
	There's nothing new under the sun.
	You know, Solomon was wise enough to say that, and of course this kind of stuff has been going around forever, but it has been honed into a fine tactic of psychological manipulation by the communists, and now what they're going to do worldwide is take that tactic, that agenda that you lay out here that Mao did, and they're going to wed it to modern technology to give them more leverage on people, I think.
	Just realize they have established the truth, right?
	The climate is changing, and they're going to destroy the earth if we don't do anything.
	Otherwise, you're a denier, denier, denier.
	And that is exactly what Mao did.
	One truth, and everyone has to go by it.
	And if you question it, you're an enemy of the state.
	Yeah, that's right. Yeah, we see that over and over again.
	It is so important for people to see this.
	Again, the book is Mal's America, A Survivor's Warning.
	Best place to get that?
	Anywhere the books are sold?
	Or do you have a website that you sell that directly?
	I know. I should have. But I don't.
	It'll get you a little bit more money. So I always want to offer that to authors because I know that they make a little bit more money if they sell it direct.
	But again, Amazon, anywhere that books are sold, Mao's America, A Survivor's Warning, very important.
	Thank you so much for speaking out about this and telling people this and speaking out in these...
	You know, the beginning of the struggle sessions that are there.
	Thank you so much for a message that is so needed and a historical context and perspective that is so missing in America that people can find in your book.
	Thank you very much. Thank you.
	Thank you. Xi Van Fleet.
	Thank you very much. We'll take a quick break, folks, and we will be right back.
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	He's been doing this for quite a while.
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	You can find those books at joelskousen.com.
	Thank you for joining us, Joel.
	Good to talk to you. David, it's always good to be with you.
	Thank you. We're living in interesting times, aren't we?
	As we were discussing briefly and as we're getting you put on here, you said, wow, we look at what is going on in the house.
	Historical day as we have the Speaker for the first time thrown out.
	Speaker of the House, first time that's happened.
	What's your take on all that?
	Well, and for a very good reason.
	You know, the only reason he got to be speaker after 15 votes was that he made some very specific promises to the Freedom Caucus, and especially the hardline conservatives as part of that caucus.
	They aren't totally unified.
	But he broke those promises in the April deal with President Biden, where he passed that omnibus spending bill, which was way over budget and Didn't consult the conservatives.
	And so, basically, Matt Gaetz, as leader of the hardliners in the Freedom Caucus, said, if you don't stop this, if you do it again, we're going to oust you as speaker.
	And he did it again. And Matt Gaetz, in his press conference, it wasn't a formal press conference, he just gets besieged by the press as he leads the House chambers.
	And after our debate with the chamber on politics, The motion to vacate the chair, he outlined very specifically, again, as he did before the House, why he is voting to vacate the chair.
	Number one, well, in general, he's talking about violations of the regular order of the House.
	The regular order of the House is that you have the 12 bills, appropriation bills, passed through committee, and then you have debate, and then you have amendments.
	You allow amendments to those bills And then you pass them individually.
	And he's complaining because they were running behind schedule.
	McCarthy wasn't in a hurry to get this thing done.
	And Gates requested that he cancel the August recess.
	He said, we don't have time for six weeks to take off.
	We've got a deadline in September.
	We've got a lot of hard knocks to go through this.
	McCarthy didn't do it.
	He allowed the recess to go forward.
	He also has instilled a four-day work week.
	A four-day workweek when you're talking about a huge backlog of appropriations bill.
	That means they start at 6 p.m.
	on Monday and they quit on Friday.
	And that's essentially a four-day workweek.
	And Gates was complaining about that.
	But here's the specifics.
	McCarthy promised that he would never be a bill presented to the House over $100 million without the possibility of amendments.
	And he violated that on numerous occasions, refusing to allow amendments.
	He said he would never use the Democrats to provide a majority over the wishes of the GOP majority.
	And he did that on the Ukraine funding bill.
	He passed that with the majority of Democrats voting with the minority of Republicans to pass the Ukraine funding bill.
	Which didn't make it, obviously, into the main bill.
	And McCarthy created also a secret side deal with Biden over a separate Ukraine spending bill that would be done.
	And he basically says, you know, both these border tightening regulations and the Ukraine spending need to be a separate bill.
	You don't want to put these in an ominous bill.
	They're very controversial.
	And they need to have an up or down vote from everybody on those two specific issues.
	And this goes to the problem of the omnibus bill where you lump everything together and then you make everybody vote yes or no on the entire bill.
	And so if you want to, you know, anything at all in your agenda, you've got to vote for the whole package.
	So omnibus bill is very bad.
	But in any case, there were seven or eight total Republicans that voted to oust McCarthy, and they got their way.
	I was surprised that McCarthy said, I'm not going to run for Speaker again.
	Before he left the Speakership, he appointed Pat McHenry of South Carolina to be the Speaker pro tem.
	And, of course, he's a puppet to McCarthy, and he immediately said, well, we're not even going to vote for the next speaker until October 11th, which is a full week away.
	I played a clip of McHenry.
	He was really trying to break the gavel when he slammed.
	I don't know if you saw the picture of him, but he's like, well, that adjourns it.
	And he goes, with all of his might trying to hit that thing.
	He was pretty angry about that.
	I'm sorry. Go ahead. Well, Gates was very unhappy about that.
	He said, you know, we don't have time.
	We've got to put together another bill and resolve these things by November 17th when this continuing resolution ends.
	And so he said, you know, we've got to go to work right now.
	We need to have the election this week.
	Gates is suggesting Steve Scalise, who is the GOP Majority Leader in the House right now, as the replacement for McCarthy, I think Jim Jordan, although he was opposed to this vacating the speakership, and he's kind of happy with McCarthy because McCarthy, true to his word, he did give conservatives major positions on the committees.
	But that's about all that McCarthy did, is give conservatives major positions.
	So Jordan was head of the Judiciary Committee, a very powerful committee right now relative to the impeachment of Joe Biden or the impeachment investigation.
	But he still, I believe, would be a good speaker as well as Steve Scalise.
	Well, it's going to be interesting to see what happens.
	And again, Wall Street's take on this is that it increases the chance that there's going to be a shutdown in November.
	But maybe it won't be quite as long, more than two or three weeks.
	But they think it will happen now because of the delays that will be involved with this.
	But I talked about this earlier, Joel, and I was looking at it.
	I had a little bit different take on it.
	Because of what Thomas Massey said.
	I played the clip for people what Thomas Massey said there.
	He was part of that team that negotiated regular order with McCarthy as a condition of his speakership.
	And he said, look, I'm the only person here who voted to remove Boehner, who voted to remove Ryan.
	He says, I'm not voting to remove him because we did get back regular order to a greater degree.
	He said, yeah, a lot of things happen that we don't like here.
	But, you know, you'd had this situation with Pelosi and Boehner and others who had put in these omnibus bills and ran everything from a centralized speakership through very tightly controlled committees and people were not allowed to make amendments from the floor, basically shutting down The rules of order, Robert's rules of order, whatever, you know, the regular order that would allow people to participate in it.
	The whole thing was tightly and centrally controlled, and that was the key sticking point, I think, in all that.
	And he felt like things had improved in that direction, and they did not keep going in that direction.
	But you're right, it now has turned this whole thing into turmoil.
	And... Chip Roy had pushed very hard for that.
	Thomas Massey had pushed very hard for that.
	And they both voted to keep him in at this point in time.
	But, of course, we have Newt Gingrich now, very upset about this.
	And I played a clip for people just to remind them where Newt Gingrich has been.
	It was a political ad that was done by Ron Paul back in 2011 when both of them were running for the GOP nomination, really kind of defining what a flip-flopping snake Newt Gingrich has been.
	And his point is, he said, well, you know, we've got these rules, and so Matt Gaetz needs to be kicked out.
	Forget about what the people thought who elected him.
	He has violated the Republican Party rules, the rules of the Republican Conference, and we need to kick him out of Congress for doing that.
	What do you think about that?
	And what do you think about what Thomas Massey had to say?
	Well, you know, I have a good deal of respect for Jim Jordan and Thomas Massey and Chip Roy, too.
	They are voting, in fact, for the fact that they did get good committee assignments on this and that McCarthy did come their way.
	But my response to Massey would be, but remember, he only came your way in terms of allowing amendments or allowing the regular order on easy things, on all the things that were the tough issues.
	He went over to the Democrats.
	So he betrayed you on all the crucial issues and only gave you the easy stuff, which you didn't really need.
	Well, you need it, of course, but they weren't the crucial things that are sticking points like border regulations and the Ukraine vote, etc.
	And But Newt Gingrich is really a snake in the grass.
	He's a globalist, I believe.
	He got elected with his contract for America, and I think it was a contract on America, basically.
	And as soon as he was elected, the first thing he did, did he pass anything on the contract with him?
	Not a thing. He went for world trade acceptance of China, red China, into the World Trade Organization, WTO. That was his first issue.
	It was a total globalist sellout right from the get-go.
	And he has played both sides of this issue.
	He's really a very slick operator.
	So he has called for Matt Gaetz to be removed from the Republican Conference, which is the conference which decides a lot of these issues, etc., Now, I'm not a big fan of Matt Gaetz in terms of his moral conduct.
	He is a party guy, and I don't think he's been necessarily moral in his conduct.
	But he's really a good debater.
	He is a person who really laid down the issues to the press as clearly as anybody on the violations of McCarthyism.
	And, you know, to remove him would be, I think, a big mistake.
	We need somebody who's going to be right out there.
	I think it'd be a big mistake to violate, to say, well, you know, we don't like him in the party, so I don't really care what the voters think.
	I mean, that would be the biggest mistake of it, just in terms of a precedent that they'd be setting to remove him for that.
	Yeah, well, you know, they are having an ethics committee, and this was kind of McCarthy's threat over his head.
	It's interesting that McCarthy said after he was...
	Gage said, I'm going to put in a resolution to vacate the chair.
	He said, well, go ahead and try it.
	McCarthy was defiant.
	He really didn't think it would pass.
	I thought perhaps, you know, maybe even the Democrats would come to the rescue of McCarthy because he'd been so helpful to them.
	But I think they voted in favor of watching the Republicans be in disarray rather than rescue somebody who really was helping them.
	They're not going to get someone as bad as McCarthy, I believe, and I think they're going to have to go to someone who is a little bit more to the right, or they're not going to, you know, get elected.
	these eight people can stop anybody from getting to be speaker unless the Democrats want to throw in with the liberal Republicans and really get a very bad person in there.
	So it'll be interesting to see what happens as you point out the ethics issues that Gates has.
	And then of course, you know, there's George Santos has got huge ethics issues and McCarthy was absolutely supportive of George Santos.
	So it'd be interesting to see what happens with that.
	I think one of the things that really surprised me was, as you point out, McCarthy said to Gates, he said, go ahead, bring it on.
	So I thought, well, okay, he knows what's going on.
	He's going to win this thing.
	His inability to read the room, you know?
	I mean, how do you... How are you that clueless as a speaker that you don't know if you got the votes for something like this?
	I mean, but maybe he's just bravado.
	But that was one of the key things to me.
	Going back to Newt Gingrich's contract with America, I remember that thing.
	Ten-point program. You know, Joel, I ran for Congress the next election in 96.
	And my central theme was, I said, I've got a contract with America.
	It's called the Bill of Rights.
	And here's us being...
	It's a 10-point solution to what our government is right now.
	And I said, here's how it's being violated and every one of those things.
	I've made flyers of that, but that was my campaign, to run for the contract with America, the Bill of Rights.
	What district did you run in?
	It was in North Carolina, and it was in the Charlotte district.
	So I did that back in, I think it was nine.
	It wasn't where I lived, but you don't have to live in the district.
	You just have to live in the state.
	And I was kind of the sacrificial lamb for the third party to run there.
	But I was able to get into some debates.
	But, you know, it is interesting to see where this is going to go.
	And I guess the key thing is, you know, is there anybody, when you look at the people that are there, you've got Tom Emmer, you've got Scalise, you know, maybe Jim Jordan.
	I mean, you know, you think it's going to be one of those three?
	Those seem to be the highest profile.
	Of course, you know, the majority leader and the whip, and then Jim Jordan is always, you know, out front in front of the cameras.
	Who do you think might make it through?
	Well, I think it's either going to be Scalise or Jim Jordan.
	Whether or not Jim Jordan will run or not, you know, and lose his position on the Judiciary Committee, I have my doubts.
	So Steve Scalise is in the prime position.
	The mere fact, though, that Gates wants him will speak against him to the people who were very angry with him about this.
	And there are a lot of Republicans that were angry, but I don't think...
	I don't think...
	Yes, it's true that McCarthy would have compromised it and would have avoided a shutdown.
	But as I pointed out many times in the World Affairs Brief, we really need to shut down the government in many ways.
	And, you know, they don't have to actually close the national parks.
	They don't have to close the passport office.
	They don't have to do any of this stuff that really inconveniences America.
	Plenty of money coming in constantly to keep those funded.
	But they need to shut down you know foreign aid they need to shut down uh any money going to ukraine uh and you know i'm not against we've talked about on our program before because russia faked their own demise and put ukraine into the boundaries or put the donbas and crimea into ukraine to give them an excuse to invade at some future time i'm not in favor of Of letting Putin get away with that.
	You know, we need to supply arms to keep that Ukraine from falling.
	But I'm not in favor because of the corruption in Ukraine of any further actual funds going to Ukraine.
	Whether to pay the salaries of other people or to pay for their deficits.
	You know, no money for Ukraine.
	It's just too corrupt. This is a leftover from the Soviets.
	Because when they faked their own demise, they left all the communists in the bureaucracy.
	And that's why they continue to exact bribes.
	That's why you had Buddhism. All the former presidents of Ukraine have been corrupt and, you know, secret buddies with the oligarchs in Russia.
	It's a very bad situation, but there's plenty of ways to cut funding.
	And I realize you can't get, you can't cut Social Security and the welfare thing that they'd scream bloody murder and But there's plenty of things that you can cut that don't hurt most normal people and keep the government in limbo while you hammer out these things.
	But we've got to stop this going under.
	Yeah, you look at the plan that Republicans came up with when Biden says, we've got to get $80 billion more for the IRS, an agency that's now getting $13 billion.
	And the Republicans said, that's crazy.
	Only 60. Only a $60 billion.
	We won't do it to be, what is it, seven times the size?
	We'll only make it five times bigger than it currently is.
	And that's the kind of stuff that just makes my head spin with Republicans.
	It's like, what is the deal?
	Just a little bit less government than the Democrats want to give us.
	And of course, you talk about the corruption in Ukraine.
	Even Bill Gates said, most corrupt country on earth.
	The Pentagon is even saying, we got so much stuff that we sent to them that's leaking out everywhere.
	This is a big problem. Ukraine is getting, I mean, the UK is getting tapped out in terms of, you know, it's a war machine in terms of sending them stuff.
	And this is all highlighting something I think that is an even bigger fundamental problem of the West, and that is the erosion of our manufacturing database to the extent, our manufacturing base and infrastructure to the extent that we can't sustain some kind of a big war problem.
	What do you think about that as somebody who follows us much more closely than I do?
	Well, we can certainly ramp up like we did in World War II and start to produce these things.
	Whether or not there's a will to do that, there usually isn't until you get attacked.
	But, you know, with the speed at which attacks can come now with nuclear missiles instead of just ships across the sea coming towards you like happened in Pearl Harbor, which, of course, was provoked by Roosevelt.
	Mm-hmm. This was a false flag operation, if there ever was one.
	But yeah, we have the manufacturing capacity to do that.
	I mean, even in strategic minerals, for example, the only reason that China has a lock on the strategic minerals is they've undercut the prices.
	We used to produce all the strategic minerals in the United States, out of Nevada and parts of California.
	We have them all in the United States.
	They just aren't as economical to produce.
	Unless China decides to cut it off and then we could start producing again.
	I think that both the West can come up to speed and they are ramping up in military production in order to provide the arms for Ukraine.
	The big problem in Ukraine is this triple layer defense system that while the Ukrainians were waiting for American tanks to arrive, Four to six months, the Russians built this three-tiered mined trench system that is very difficult to penetrate.
	Now, if they had strategic bombing, as the West has the capability, you could obliterate that line.
	You could blow up the entire minefield so that you could drive right through it.
	They don't have strategic bombing.
	All they've got is artillery and HIMARS and other types of things.
	So they have to slug it out trying to get through that line.
	And I don't see Ukraine doing that.
	I just don't think without strategic bombing that you're going to be able to penetrate that line.
	Now, neither do I see Russia being able to take anything more than the Donbas or the Crimea.
	So I think this is a war of attrition that's going to go on as long as the West continues to provide I don't think Russia can win and I don't think Ukraine can win.
	So where this is going in the long term, I'm not sure, but I'll tell you, conservatives have really been snookered by Putin, who has been putting on a propaganda show about being anti-LBGT and pro-Christian and all these types of things to convince An anti-New World Order to convince the West, or at least the conservatives in the West, that he's going to save us from our own globalists.
	And this isn't true at all.
	It's just, as Trevor Loudon has pointed out from New Zealand, got a very good series of things showing that this propaganda move by the The continuing Soviets, as I call them, in Russia has been very effective towards getting conservatives to be pro-Russian rather than Yeah,
	it's kind of a Hegelian PR move because, again, the West cannot control their contempt for Christian conservative values.
	Even though they see Putin doing this, they can't bring it upon themselves to pull back at all from the rainbow flag or any persecution that they're doing of people or the pronouns or any of that kind of stuff.
	So they're tone deaf or they're defiant about that.
	And so that leaves him a strategic opening.
	You know, when you're talking about the minefields and everything, I saw a thing the other day, a thing called spider boots.
	Maybe you probably know about it, but the audience probably doesn't.
	And that's their approach to trying to cross these minefields, just how crude that was.
	And all it is is just a little elevated platform they put shoes on.
	And it has like four extended prongs and a steel plate underneath it.
	So that if you step on one of these mines, the explosion is not going to be directly under your foot and your leg.
	It will be maybe a little bit in front of you, and it will be directed somewhat away from you.
	It's still going to really severely injure the person, but maybe not take their leg off and have them bleed out immediately.
	That's the best they've got.
	Yeah. Here's some spider boots.
	Go walk across that minefield.
	It really isn't the best they've got.
	They have the flailing machines that go in front of an armored vehicle that extend out about 20 or 30 feet, and it's a big rotating series of chains that flail on the ground, set off the mines, And it doesn't hurt the chains when it blows up, but they can drive right through a minefield.
	It's just that Ukraine doesn't have very many of these.
	Oh, okay. All right. Yeah, it seems to be a real sticking point, as you point out.
	You know, it's a very complicated thing in terms of the amount of mines that they've got, and it seems to have really...
	Stuck them, but I guess it's because they just don't have enough of that machinery, and they don't have the strategic bombs to take out those fields either.
	Yeah, it truly is amazing to see how this is progressing, and of course it is escalating, and that's one of my questions to you.
	As we see Russia, you've said for the longest time that...
	The Western elite want to invite a nuclear strike.
	That is part of their long-term plan.
	We see Russia doing civil defense drills.
	And, of course, civil defense has never been really a concern of the American government.
	We're going to have an emergency broadcasting system thing happening this afternoon.
	But, you know, so what is it that you would tell people?
	Because that's something that you cover in your books.
	Strategic location, and that's a factor.
	You know, now there's other aspects to strategic location, which is the breakdown of society and, you know, the Soros district attorneys letting people back out on the streets, criminals back out on the streets.
	We're seeing that kind of violence escalate.
	But also proximity to nuclear targets as part of strategic location.
	Relocation. And then Your Secure Home and other aspects of this.
	People can find those books at joelskousen.com.
	Tell us a little bit about... Give us a little bit of advice as the best we're going to get is maybe an emergency broadcasting system or call on our phone.
	Well, there's a lot of hype now about the 5G test that's going to come out at 2 p.m.
	And there's been an awful lot of hype around the Internet about 5G. And one of the most...
	I think spectacular falsehoods is being promulgated is that 5G can somehow trigger little nanomachines that have been injected with the vaccine and create havoc, you know, in your body.
	Well, you know...
	That's really a lot of hype in my opinion.
	First of all, 5G cannot trigger any biological device.
	It can destroy things.
	If you get too close to a 5G radiating source for too long of a period, it can destroy biological processes, but it can't trigger any biological processes.
	I have a son who works in the cell phone industry as an electrical engineer, and he does testing on all the 5G devices.
	4G and 3G, you know, cell phone technology and their towers for radiation frequency, etc.
	And, you know, he admits, yes, any EMF can be dangerous if you have a very strong radiating source up against your brain, you know, for a long period of time.
	But they're very...
	Interesting enough, he says that 5G, by the way, because it is a higher frequency...
	It has much less power.
	It takes much less power to transmit than 4G and much less power than 3G, which is at a lower frequency still.
	And so actually the radiation effect is lesser in terms of damage because of the lower power of the transmitter.
	Now, that said, if you've got an apartment and across the street is a building with a 5G antenna radiating right into your apartment, that's too close.
	Yeah, yeah. And what we've seen in New York is exactly that same type of thing.
	They started putting it up in neighborhoods and people...
	Wake up in the morning and there's this thing right next to their window, right next to the window of their kid in the cradle.
	And they look at it and it says, this should be located at least 10 feet away from somebody or whatever.
	And they call the people and said, hey, this is what this tag says on here.
	Can you come out and do something about this?
	They came out and they removed the tag.
	I'm serious. That's a true story.
	It was reported by the New York Post, I think it was.
	But that's the total disregard that they have for people.
	And of course, the other aspect of it is that different frequencies, of course, affect us differently.
	We don't really have a lot of data about 5G.
	You know, the only EMF biological research that was really done to a large extent was Alan Fry.
	He was doing it for the Navy.
	And, you know, the Fry effect that they found in people hearing clicking noises and things like that at different frequencies.
	But different frequencies are going to affect you different ways.
	To me, I see, Joel, this 5G stuff rolling out.
	I see it being done in the same way they rolled out the vaccine.
	They're just contemptuous of any particular health effects, and we'll figure that out down the road, but we've got to get this thing done right now, so we're just going to deal with it.
	And that's my concern about all this talk about...
	I think there's very real concerns about how 5G is going to be used with a broader band and more capability of carrying data.
	It's going to be used for surveillance and control purposes.
	That's a given. I'm also concerned about the lack of health information about these things.
	And I think that the sensational detail that's out there Is going to be used to discredit those real concerns about potential health and the reality of the, you know, smart city control grid that they want to establish with faster bandwidth.
	All of those are legitimate concerns, especially the lack of long-term testing.
	And the ones tests that have been done, unfortunately, don't tell us the two crucial aspects.
	We have to know whether or not the tests are carried out properly.
	Yes, they irradiated mice with 5G. They don't tell us how far away and how strong the signal was from the mice.
	You see, and those are the two crucial factors.
	I can put a transmitter right up against them and fry their brain, you know, within a couple of weeks.
	But unless you know that it's been a realistic setup, we just don't know how these things operate.
	Now, remember that we've now been operating cell phones in the 3G and 4G now for decades.
	And we don't have a lot of strong evidence of any medical effects of people even having the cell phone up against the ear.
	Now, 5G is coming in.
	I don't have a 5G phone, but other people do.
	Even though they're not doing a test, we're going to see...
	If holding that phone to their ear is going to have deleterious effects to people.
	Yeah, and we have situations where they put cell phone clusters close to an elementary school because they said, hey, it's convenient for us.
	And they said, well, we've got some cancer clusters with this.
	And so you've had some local communities say, well, you know, we want to fight this.
	There was a 1996 crisis. Telecom Act put in by Clinton saying you will not object to antenna locations based on any health concerns, only aesthetic concerns.
	So if this is a historical district and we got this antenna there, you can object to that and we'll come out, we'll put a box around it that blends in with the surroundings.
	But if it's a health concern, forget about it.
	But a lot of these jurisdictions, this is an important thing I tell people, the federal government can say whatever it wants, but where the rubber meets the road is at the local level.
	And we need to start standing up at the local level.
	And we've got several examples in communities where they felt that it was a hazard, and they stood up to the telecommunications industry and had them move those antennas.
	And so, you know, that 1996 Telecom Act came 10 years after Fauci shepherded through that childhood vaccine act that gave product liability to the big pharmaceutical companies.
	So we see certainly a pattern here, and it is something that we need to be concerned about.
	But as always, adding false details to stuff And the people who've talked about it have said, you know, well, it's 18 gigahertz.
	It's going to trigger this. And it's like, well, as far as I can tell, 18 gigahertz is not even a 5G signal.
	It's not one of the frequencies that they focus on.
	And then at the same time, to say very specifically, it's 18 gigahertz.
	We'll come out and say, well, my concern is that it's all these frequencies at once.
	It's like, well, all these frequencies at once are hitting you all the time anyway.
	You need to be concerned about the cell phone that you leave in your pocket all day.
	That's going to have, you know, just like holding that cell phone next to your head, your cell phone is sending and receiving signals, you know, even when you're not making a phone call.
	And so if you've got that thing sitting in your pocket or on your body all day, you ought to be concerned about that.
	That's not a wise decision.
	But it is, you know, there has to be some, Some context for this and some wisdom about this stuff.
	And it is, again, unfortunate that the government wants to put out stuff like this without doing any health tests.
	But, you know, the big issue is, and again, you know, fast internet with broad bandwidth is not a bad thing.
	It's a good thing. But, of course, it does enable these surveillance and control systems that they want so they can do real-time biometric analysis.
	And that's the thing that really concerns me is artificial intelligence and how it can be used for data mining and rapid recognition of the biometric data that they have for people.
	I see AI's threat to...
	Not as some computer that's going to become self-aware like the Terminator, but I see it as a very, very dangerous tool of very, very dangerous people.
	What do you think? Yeah, I agree with you on that, David.
	You know, it's very important to understand two basic things about overall preparation.
	You've got to first of all understand, what are the big threats coming from?
	So many people get so many concerned about these tiny, small threats.
	The big threat coming, of course, is a nuclear world war with Russia and China.
	And, you know, the reason I say it is inevitable is because all three basic power structures in the world want it.
	Chinese communists want it, Russia wants it, and the globalists want it.
	They want it because it's the only way to drive Americans into losing their sovereignty and joining a militarized global government.
	In order to do that, of course, that's why they passed in 1997 PDD-60, instructing our nuclear missile forces to absorb a nuclear missile first strike.
	Because they know that the Russian and Chinese want to neuter the American military and then blackmail us into submission.
	They do not want to nuke cities.
	They don't want to destroy the infantry.
	They don't want to nuke power plants and pollute the land forever.
	They want to occupy the land.
	They want living space because China can't feed their own people.
	You know, most of China is desert.
	And they cannot grow enough food.
	And what is irrigated often gets flooded by the Yangtze River and other rivers, etc.
	But what I'm saying is that that's the big threat that you ought to really be preparing for.
	And One of the deterrents for preparation is the hope of a savior, an earthly savior.
	Now, I'm all for, you know, hoping that God will intervene, but unfortunately, I think we've lost the moral blessings of God because of the corruption of people within our Western society.
	I agree. And this transgender and homosexual craze which is growing by leaps and bounds is guaranteeing that we lose the blessings of protection.
	And there has to be judgment and consequences for these types of things.
	But, you know, when you tend to think that Trump is going to save us, if only he can get reelected, and I think that's very unlikely due to the ability to steal the election, as they showed in 2020.
	For example, you know, the biography of my Uncle W. Cleon Skousen just came out, and it's available on Amazon.
	It's very interesting. He ran this great Center for Constitutional Studies and gave thousands of seminars, educated over 400,000 people in the United States on the Founding Father version of the Constitution.
	And then when Reagan got elected, the second term, all of the funding from private donate dried up.
	Everyone said, well, Reagan's going to save us.
	And then when Trump got elected, the same thing happened again.
	And when the phony fall of the Soviet Union happened, it happened again.
	He said, oh, well, communism isn't an issue anymore.
	And the sale of his famous book, The Naked Communists, just dropped through the roof because people thought the communists had gone away.
	And that was a very great propaganda coup on the part of the Soviets to fake their own demise, to get aid in trade, and to disarm the West.
	So it's been a very difficult battle, but my point as a preparedness expert is that when people have hope That someone's going to come in and save them politically, they will not prepare.
	I agree. I agree.
	And we even see that with gun purchases, right?
	Well, what happens to gun purchases?
	You know, while Obama or Biden get in, everybody starts buying guns.
	Trump gets in, well, the gun sales go way, way down.
	They don't even care about that level of personal protection.
	Which, by the way, you know, if there's crime in your state, in your city or whatever, whoever is present isn't really having an immediate effect on that.
	But it does have an immediate effect on even that level, at the street level.
	As people see it. I agree with you.
	So, what's happening is that people really need to be concerned not only about 5G, which is always in major metro areas.
	5G is not a problem in rural areas.
	The antennas cannot be close to you as they are in buildings in high cities.
	You just need to be out of the big cities when this war comes because, believe me, this war is going to be precipitated by a nuclear EMP strike which takes down the grid.
	And it's going to be down for at least a year because we don't stockpile any of the long distance transformers that allows you to get the grid back up again.
	You may be able to start an individual power plant, but it can't transmit across the country without these transformers that up the voltage to go thousands of miles and then Down the voltage again to a usable voltage.
	All those transformers are made in China and they're big as a truck and we don't have any of them stockpiled except maybe two or three and there are thousands of them in the US. So if the grid is down for a year, within three to five days people are going to start to pillage.
	There'll be starvation, there won't be electricity, the sewers won't be operating, the water system won't be operating.
	And so you need to be able to get out of the big cities.
	Now, people are obviously tied to the big city because of jobs.
	That's where most of the jobs are.
	But I can tell you that when the cities become a Mad Max scenario, they're not going to be any jobs and they're not coming back for a long time.
	Mm-hmm. And so it's a matter of when do you prepare to leave?
	Do you want to leave during the chaos of a Katrina hurricane when all the freeways are backed up and people have run out of gas from the traffic jams?
	You want to be able to get out of town before that, and that means that you have to prepare an exit plan.
	In my book, Strategic Relocation, I talk about how in major cities there are beltways, freeways going, essentially a moat.
	Because you can't get across those freeways except in places where they're on or off ramps.
	Now, if you look carefully on Google Maps, you'll see there are at least two or three places to get across the freeway with an underpass or an overpass that do not correspond.
	I repeat, do not correspond to an off ramp or an on ramp, which will be jammed.
	You need to know where those crossing points are.
	If you have rivers that block, you need to know where the bridges are.
	And how to get through those things and map a route that doesn't get on the main roads but uses the back roads.
	I recommend to people in strategic relocation that if you cannot leave the big cities, at least you move to the periphery of the city.
	Get to the outskirts of the city.
	Get to the suburbs on the edge of the metro and commute in.
	Then at least your family has a chance of being the first out without going through all the major suburban areas in the city.
	Now, in terms of danger, the greatest danger during any period of social unrest is due to population density.
	Now, there's a major exodus going on of all of the major Democratic-controlled cities that have these woke prosecutors that there's no cash bail anymore.
	You just release them, and as soon as the police arrest them, it's very demoralizing to the police.
	They don't show up for their court dates because they're not having to pay bail anymore.
	And so we have a major exodus going on from LA, San Francisco, Seattle, Chicago, New York, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
	Every major democratic controlled city is having an exodus of people because of these crime problems.
	And, you know, I wish the conservatives were leaving too.
	And some of them are, like they have left California.
	What it's done is it's driven up prices in the West, which are highly rated in my book, Strategic Relocation.
	Because, for example, the Intermountain West, the states of Idaho, Utah, western Montana, northern Arizona, etc., they're hundreds of miles from major metro areas, and you have to cross deserts and mountains to get to those areas from those major metros, which precludes people from walking from Nevada to Idaho, for example.
	Mm-hmm. But the trouble is the Californians have driven up all the prices in those areas because of the excess in California.
	So now the cheapest areas are still in the Midwest, Missouri, Kansas, Iowa, other places like that.
	The South still has a great deal of some cheap land, but the problem is the South has a warmer climate.
	That's why people are flocking to Florida, for example.
	But Florida's a zero-rated state because it's only got two ways out of that state.
	And without electricity, you can see those traffic jams trying to leave the state and it becomes very difficult to live in a place like Florida or the South without electricity for air conditioning, etc.
	Oh yeah, I know. I grew up in Florida without electricity.
	I know how miserable it was, and I know that it was the electricity that made it livable for people to come there.
	Let me ask you this, though. You're talking about planning your escape route, making sure you've got some bug out and you've got some place to go.
	But what about the cars and the effect of the EMP on the cars?
	What do you think is going to happen from that standpoint, since all the cars have gotten increasingly under electronic control?
	That's true. There are dozens of computers.
	You can't hardly even fix a car anymore, any of the modern cars.
	You have to have high-tech computer reading equipment, etc.
	It's a mixed bag.
	Nobody really knows what's going to happen, especially with the new super EMP weapons that are being developed.
	But this much the government has published in their test that it's going to take at least eight or nine weapons per We're good to go.
	With eight or nine weapons, it means that only Russia and China are going to be able to do that.
	North Korea or Iran don't have that kind of power to do those.
	Under each weapon, there's an area about 300 miles where the radiation is the most advanced.
	Which can really damage cars.
	But outside that 300-mile circle, it's likely that most cars will restart again.
	Eddy currents formed in the computer chips will maybe shut it down, but you can turn the key off and turn it back on and they'll usually restart.
	That's what the government testing shows.
	So I'm not sure where those eight or nine weapons are going to be placed.
	But here's the basic philosophy.
	You ought to have older cars.
	You don't have to go pre-1985 to non-computerized cars, but that's the best solution to have one of those older vehicles around.
	But you can even have prior to 2004, and if you get, for example, Volkswagen diesels, they have one computer.
	You can buy them cheap in a used market.
	You can have a spare computer.
	You can just plug in if it goes bad.
	But generally, they only have one ignition computer, and it's much less likely that they're going to, you know, fry those cars from 2004 earlier than that.
	There's a lot of nice cars still available in that range that are fairly EMP resistant.
	And there's certain things that you can do.
	There are EMP covers you can put over a car, like a car cover, which will diminish the radiation that gets to the computer chips.
	You can also put toroids, which are small, round magnets that open up.
	They have little hands that open up and you can put it around the cabling leaving to your computer so that it absorbs the electromagnetic pulse that comes down towards your computer.
	A lot of people don't know about that, but they're fairly inexpensive, maybe $4 a piece on the internet.
	I cover these types of things in my book, The Secure Home.
	And then you can EMP protect your house with Siemens puts on a first surge protector for about $300, which you can put on your panel that stops the surge from the power lines, shunts it to ground.
	It doesn't protect the house from absorbing EMP within the electrical wiring in the house unless you've wired your house in conduit, which nobody does anymore.
	And so you do have to have individual protectors on your computers and other things, but all those are readily available.
	So to have a search protector, that'd be because...
	The electromagnetic radiation would be carried, perhaps, you know, in terms of a surge.
	The surge going through the power grid would be greater than the direct electromagnetic radiation from the EMP, is what you're saying.
	That would kind of extend the effect.
	Well, that's interesting, you know, and of course, so again, you know, having a place that you can go to bug out, as you pointed out, getting on the outskirts of the city, having a route that you can take that's not going to be blocked by the interstate, because that's where everybody's going to go, and you're not going to have, and that's the other part of it, is that everybody's getting accustomed to driving with the maps on your phone, and nobody's using paper maps anymore, so...
	Better run this route so that you know it, or you've got a paper map to follow.
	I wonder if they even sell these things anymore.
	AAA even does triptychs or something like that.
	But yeah, make sure that you've got some kind of a paper map and paper instructions on how to get out there.
	But any other things that you would say in terms of an EMP? Because I do agree that that is most likely something's going to happen, and we get more vulnerable to it all the time, don't we?
	Well, that's right. And remember that if you've got a natural gas heating supply, that can't run without grid power.
	They need compressors to keep the pressure up in the gas pipelines, etc.
	So having propane tanks as a backup is one thing, but that will only last a certain time.
	And without electricity, the propane refill trucks won't be able to refill because it requires electric compressors to refill the power.
	The trucks that come out to service your tanks.
	And the service stations where you're going to get refills for your tanks are not going to be operating because they're out of power.
	I've always seen that whenever there's a storm coming through in Florida.
	You know, we've lost all the power to the tanks, so you can't get a refill.
	So many things to think about with all that.
	But, you know, here's another thing.
	As we're talking about all these different aspects here, Joel, if they don't do an EMP, they might just go the really, really slow route, which is climate change.
	Because all the stuff that we're talking about in terms of taking down the grid and making life miserable for us, they're doing that in a very slow-motion way through climate measures that they're taking against people, aren't they?
	Through all this emissions control and everything.
	The EP now even putting out prohibitions and demands for shutting down power stations, which is a first.
	We've never seen that before. Well, I have a theory, though, that I think the minions at the lower level in the globalist conspiracy do not know about the war coming.
	All of the people touting at the WEF, AI, Robotics Society, climate change, shutting down all electric vehicles, they're going to be a world of hurt when EMP comes along.
	Can you imagine all the people with electric cars with no way to charge them who haven't installed a fairly substantial solar system to do that?
	Yeah, yeah. And it's the same thing with central bank digital currency.
	You see, none of that works without the internet.
	And the internet isn't going to be working when the grid comes down.
	Even the elite are going to need cash.
	And so I've been saying in my World Affairs brief, If it comes, and it probably will come before the war, it will run concurrently with cash, and they won't be able to eliminate it.
	Besides, there's trillions of dollars of American dollars everywhere.
	All of them honored.
	Even the elite, you know, are going to need cash.
	Because, you know, when the electricity is down, cash will be king for a period of time.
	It'll take a while before gold or silver will get back into circulation.
	Because most people don't recognize, you know, my brother gives out silver dollars as tips, and often he gets bellboys and, what's this man?
	You know, they don't know what it is.
	Yeah, that's funny.
	Talk about what happens, you know, when you try to prepare and get off the grid, the vulnerability of solar panels to an EMP. Well, there are MP protectors for panels, and all it does is blow out the diodes, and you can buy replacement diodes and just put them back in to the back of your solar panels, and they're operating again.
	MP will not affect the solar cells itself, just the diodes.
	But then you also might have, you know, if you've got some kind of an inverter to change it over for AC power for your appliances or something like that, that is also vulnerable as well, right?
	Yeah, and there are EMP protectors for those too.
	TransTector Corporation has a full range of solar and EMP things.
	So this stuff is available.
	You can protect your systems.
	It does require some expertise, but it's all available online.
	The most important thing that you can't buy, that you have to create yourself, Is remember that when there's pillaging and refugees and massive social unrest, think Mad Max movie.
	I mean, it's going to be that bad someday.
	You need a place to get out of the way and not just a retreat that's in a rural area because as they pillage the suburbs and then all of that's gleaned out and they'll start to get out into the rural communities too.
	If you have a rural retreat or even a semi-suburban home that's got a basement I am a very big believer you need to put in a high-security shelter into that basement that's concealed so that you've walled off, you've got a fake cabinet that you have to find the door to get in there so that when people come through pillaging your house, etc., you can just leave the doors open so they don't break in, go into your high-security shelter where they can't find you and get out of the way.
	That's the most important strategy, especially in a nuclear war, that you can put a 10 inch concrete ceiling over the top and in most places that's sufficient to cut the radiation significantly so that you can survive.
	Mm-hmm.
	I've spent my life not only trying to warn people about these existential threats like the nuclear war that's coming, but how to prepare against them.
	And I hope that people take my advice and not rely on Trump or any conservative getting elected again and saving us.
	Because even if Trump were elected, Even I would not be able to root out the deep state because they control the judges, they control the NSA that would have to get the wiretap evidence on them to present to the judges and the judges are controlled and might throw it out.
	I mean, this is way, way too big for electoral and conservative activism to eradicate.
	We've waited too long.
	It's really in power now.
	So we need to prepare for And pray to God and get on our knees and ask not just that he save the country which is not probably in the cards but that he inspire us of how to use our limited resources to be able to prepare so that we can survive because he will provide a way for most people And for a remnant, as Gary North used to say, to survive this.
	And I think I intend to be part of the remnant and hope people listening are too.
	That's right. And it is going to be something that, again, as you point out, God has a history of taking down entire nations to show his justice.
	And yet, even in the midst of all of that, as we see as Israel was taken away into captivity, one of the most hopeful passages in the Bible, in Jeremiah 29, which says, I know the plans I have for you, to prosper, not to harm.
	And he tells them, even though you're going to be in captivity, on the other side of this, I've got plans for you.
	And God does have plans for us.
	The key thing is for us to see him as our protector and not some politician.
	That is the trap in all of this stuff.
	And that's why I try to tell people, it seems to me like they're trying to make him the focus, just as the Democrats are...
	Are wily enough in Congress to say, the Republicans are having a civil war.
	Let's not get in their way. Let's just pull back and we'll let them have their civil war and we'll watch it.
	They are using, I think, Trump as kind of the Mason-Dixon line.
	Everybody knows, including the Democrats who are doing it, everybody knows that they're trumping up these ridiculous charges and they see how corrupt and one-sided, how there's no equal protection on the law.
	And they know that that works to help Trump.
	But they're setting everybody up, I think, for this massive...
	I was just talking about that earlier today, Joel.
	Tucker was interviewing Victor Davidson about that, and he was saying, well, we'll see.
	Let's see what happens in 2024.
	And it's like, don't put your hope in that.
	There are things that you can do individually.
	That's why I wanted to get you on to talk about that.
	Things that you can do individually, things you can do locally in your community, in your state.
	And we don't need to just focus everything and all of our hopes on the presidency, because if we do, that puts us in a very vulnerable position.
	And like you, I don't think that the election is really going to be an honest one.
	I have thought that for the longest time anyway.
	And now that we've had this vote-by-mail stuff, which was put in by Fauci and Trump in 2020, that wasn't taken off.
	That's now become a fixture of our lives.
	And so, you know, that type of stuff has gotten even more corrupt.
	I mean, it's gone from control of the ballot and control of the debates and, you know, not going to have any debates.
	But, you know, they control every aspect of this process, including the final counting of the votes and the stuffing of the ballots.
	And now they've got a brand new way to do that.
	And nobody's even talking about fixing that part of it.
	And I look at this just like I said in 2020.
	It's like, I don't know why I'm voting for anybody because all the people that I voted for just stepped aside and turned the government over to a bunch of unelected bureaucrats who are issuing orders to me to wear paper masks on my face and all the rest of the stuff.
	I said, I am.
	I'm kind of done with this politics stuff at this point in time.
	So I think that's really the key issue that we haven't done anything to take back those aspects.
	And we need to understand that if there's not going to be any legal reform of these new institutions that have been put in place and are solidifying around us, that we need to make individual preparation.
	That's why what you do is so important.
	Again, joelskousen.com is where you're going to find the books.
	That, Joel, we didn't even get into building a secure home.
	I'll have to get you back on and talk about that soon.
	But joelskousen.com to find the books and worldaffairsbrief.com to get his take on what is happening geopolitically.
	Thank you so much for joining us, Joel.
	Thank you. Thank you.
	It's always good to be with you, David.
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