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The David Knight Show Rebroadcast - 05/12/2023

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	Free speech to free minds.
	You're listening to The David Knight Show.
	The David Knight Show.
	Thank you. Thank
	you. Joining us now is Dr.
	Duke Pesta. As I said, he is the Executive Director of the Freedom Project Academy.
	I wanted to get him on because I have people all the time saying, yeah, I understand how bad the schools are, but how do I do this?
	And we have to recover the understanding of how to do it.
	It's just like a lot of people are looking at this stuff and saying, in terms of food supply and supply chain issues.
	Well, I know I need to start growing some of my own food, but...
	I don't know how to do it.
	It's all been lost. I haven't had anybody in my family on this farm for generations.
	And so we have to recover some of these things.
	Fortunately, this has been growing gradually for a while, and you've got some people like Dr.
	Pesta who have been working on solutions for quite some time, and they've got some very mature solutions.
	And so we're going to talk a little bit about how that looks.
	But thank you for joining us, Dr.
	Pesta. Thanks.
	Nice to be with you.
	I'm a university professor.
	I'm a professor of English and I teach the Western classics, often teach books like the Bible.
	And so I usually talk to my kids about this.
	And one of the points I make to them, because I hear that from sophomores all the time, if God is just and we should love him, how come he doesn't save puppies from being run over and this kind of stuff?
	And my argument is pretty basic.
	It's, look, Think about what you're asking God, that unless you give God, unless God gives you everything you want, you know, you don't want to die in a hurricane, a tornado, I get it.
	But at what point do you stop that?
	I mean, let's say that God says, oh, I agree with you.
	We're going to take away all natural disasters.
	Then you're going to say, well, but gee, God, it certainly isn't good that people die of cancer, right?
	And so God says, you know what?
	We're going to take away cancer.
	Pretty soon you're going to be asking him to make you taller and less bald and no acne.
	And this is the point, right?
	Is that the world we live in has its nature as God made it has its own consequences, including death, which is the wages of sin.
	And so we're basically asking God when we say that.
	I'm only going to worship a God who basically makes me God too.
	In other words, I shouldn't have to die, I shouldn't have to suffer, I shouldn't have to be inconvenienced.
	And isn't that literally what caused Lucifer to become Satan, right?
	He wanted to become God, not...
	Worship God. Serve God.
	And I think when you get to the bottom of those arguments, right, that natural disasters prove that God doesn't exist, well, that's one more example of how man seeks to become God ourselves.
	Yes. And you go back to the Garden of Eden and you see the same impulses that we see in the technocracy.
	You will live forever and you'll become like God.
	That was the explicit promise.
	And as part of that, You know, they ate the forbidden fruit.
	Nobody died. They didn't do any harm to their fellow man type of thing.
	And so we typically dismiss that and say, well, what's the big deal?
	Well, it was rebellion to God.
	You know, God said in that day that you eat of it, you'll die.
	He cursed the world, and that's the world that we live in.
	I think it's interesting, Dr.
	Pesta, you know, people, when they see something bad happening, they would call it an act of God.
	But they don't say that when something good happens.
	It kind of shows our fallen nature right there, doesn't it?
	Well, I think about Nietzsche for a second, the great end of the 19th century, who said, God is dead.
	We philosophers have murdered him with our knives.
	He said that, do you not smell the stench of the death of God?
	He did say also, Nietzsche, that in order for man to be worthy of the murdering of God, philosophically, man would have to become God.
	If you get rid of God, then man will have to step up.
	And you could not have had a Hitler or a Stalin or a Mao without that philosophy, right?
	If there is no God, then the strong man becomes God.
	And we could sum everything we're talking about.
	We could sum it up with the first commandment.
	I am the Lord your God. You cannot have strange gods before me.
	If you put anything before God, you are becoming a God in a way.
	And so it is amazing how basic, when you look at the theology of God, as Geo-Christianity has handed it to us, I mean, you really don't need much more than that first commandment.
	If you follow the first commandment, going back 3,500 years, and you keep God in place, and you recognize his supremacy over everything, Then you're never going to wander astray.
	It's amazing how in the modern world, the first thing that happens is that we start by making science God, and now the God of science is turning on us, right?
	Telling us that biology doesn't matter anymore if somebody wants to be trans.
	That's right. Yeah, oh yeah, it does.
	And of course, lockdowns and all the rest of this stuff.
	We have a guy who appeared to speak for the God of science for a couple of years, and he was telling everybody exactly what they could and could not do.
	Kind of a dictatorship, and that's what always happens when people see themselves as God.
	But, yeah, it is truly amazing when we look at it.
	I've had some people say, well, you know, when we look at these natural disasters and say, where was God in this massive death and destruction?
	And he says, well, if you understand what your relationship is to God, it's kind of what Jesus said when he had some people say, but what about these people in Galilee that Pilate murdered?
	Well, they're in the middle of a religious ceremony, massacred them.
	And what about this tower that fell on all these people and they died?
	Jesus reminds him, he said, look, you need to think about the fact that you're going to die someday, essentially is what he's saying.
	And if you don't get your life, turn your life towards God, repent, follow him, and that type of thing, you're in much greater peril.
	We're all going to die.
	And we need to understand our need of Christ.
	And so that is the key thing.
	You know, instead of trying to put ourselves in positions you're talking about with Nishi, you know, elevating ourselves to the level of God and putting him in the box as a defendant, we need to take a different perspective and start taking a look at ourselves as well, I think. Yeah, go ahead.
	I was going to say, that sounds really good.
	I think that's a good summation.
	Oh, well, thank you. Let's talk a little bit about, you've been an opponent of Common Core for a long time.
	And of course, that's where a lot of this stuff began.
	And the Department of Education, I've interviewed Charlotte Isaby many times before she passed away, talking about the deliberate dumbing down of America.
	And the fact that they wanted to control curriculum from a central position, attach dollars to it, and so it's given us things like Common Core.
	It's given us things like critical race theory.
	Talk a little bit about those things and the trajectory that you've seen over the last several decades in terms of education.
	This moves so quickly that Common Core is almost passe now.
	What was a big deal 12 years ago, now it's completely been swallowed up by the next thing, which is critical race theory and the radical sexuality that you see going on in your classrooms, the LGBTQ stuff.
	And I think Charlotte was wonderful, rest her soul.
	She was one of the first people in the Reagan administration.
	Even when you had a president like Ronald Reagan, the Department of Education was doing nasty things.
	And so she exposed a lot of that and put it on the map.
	Once you created the Department of Education, you gave the federal government a note, their nose under the tent.
	Constitution is clear.
	There is no mention of public education anywhere in the founding documents for a reason.
	Our founding fathers knew that if you put a federal entity in charge of education, it would not be long before that federal entity was educating children for their benefit, not for moms and dads in local communities.
	It's amazing how fast things change.
	1979 rolls along, here we are 50 years later, and now what happens in our kids' classrooms is dominated by what the Department of Education says.
	The Department of Education has been given taxpayer money under lies.
	When Biden took over, you remember how he asked for trillions more in COVID relief?
	We ponied up again, as we always do.
	And then billions of those dollars, billions and billions, were handed to the Department of Education to hand out grants to public schools to put critical race theory in.
	This is why we should have no federal messing with education.
	But Common Core, I'll say this about it.
	It was the final step.
	I think you suggested this.
	It was the final step that actually opened the pipeline between the federal government and your backyard school, your little local school district.
	That set up the pipeline once and for all, and now it's working the way it's supposed to work, according to the left, where...
	Autocrats, people who've never been elected to anything like Cardona, our Secretary of Education, are taking taxpayer money, which they shouldn't have, and bribing local school districts and threatening them to start having trans bathrooms and letting boys in showers.
	Because if you don't do any of those things now, you're not going to get your federal money.
	And almost every single state, however conservative, has a liberal Department of Education.
	So on the state level and the federal level, you either conform or you go without your money. - Yeah, if they fund it, they're gonna control it.
	And the way they control it is gonna be through these curriculum and through testing and all these different things.
	And that's been on there for a long time.
	I've said for the longest time, if we don't have freedom of education, there will be no freedom of speech and there'll be no freedom of religion.
	And we see that those are the things that are really under attack in the colleges.
	And it seems like all of our institutions have been taken over by this kind of philosophy, people who are steeped in it.
	And I think it's just because they've been recycling people through generation after generation.
	These institutions, you know, they go all the way from kindergarten Through graduate school or whatever, get their degree and then they go right back into the school and teach where they just learned and that next generation, every generation becomes more concentrated, doesn't it?
	Yeah, I think we've got pretty much for people under 35, the vast majority of them have been educated this way.
	And what was the demographic that killed the red wave?
	What we were supposed to, in this horrible economy, everybody was geared up, we were going to see this.
	What killed it was single people.
	Young women under the age of 35, they voted in record numbers, and the college kids, 18 to 29s, they voted in record numbers, and they were the ones who completely transformed this and handed government back largely, I mean, a small gain in the Congress, but the Senate in particular stayed left because those young people who have been miseducated for three generations now, they're becoming the future of this country.
	That's right. Yeah, if you take over the schools, you take over education, you've taken over all of it.
	And as I was talking about before you came on, that is one of the reasons why you have communist dictators or dictators of any political philosophy, like President Xi, who is having kids sign a kindergarten.
	To get into kindergarten, your parents have to sign a statement saying they will stay away from all religious instruction and all the rest of this stuff, because they must be the ones who are going to set the worldview and the foundation for people.
	So you've got the Freedom Project Academy, and let's talk a little bit about how this works, because I think with the silver lining, certainly a big silver lining of this lockdown through the pandemic, was that parents got a chance to see what was actually going on in their child's classroom.
	And I've had this discussion with people for many, many decades, I've said, because they've been pushing back against this even before we homeschooled our kids, And I said, look, look at what's happening in Washington.
	Look at what's happening at the state level.
	Look at what is happening in your school district.
	Look even at what is happening in your own school.
	And they'd always say, no, but it's different in my kids' classroom.
	We got a great teacher. Well, they got a chance to see what was actually going on in the classroom, and it scared them to death.
	So tell us a little bit what your classroom looks like.
	Well, you know, you asked at the very top of this segment, you asked, you know, a lot of moms and dads know something has to be done, but they don't know what to do.
	One of the great blessings of being in this country, and you mentioned this, is we're not yet China, and so homeschooling is a viable option, or decent private schools.
	So there are a lot of ways to do this, and most moms and dads say, hey, I want to pull my kids out of public school, but I don't know what to do with them, and I don't have any idea how to homeschool them.
	We created Freedom Project for that purpose.
	It's an online Christian school from kindergarten all the way through high school.
	It's classical education, so you're not getting any of this LGTBQ garbage, and we do it live.
	we have live teachers on the internet who will, your kid can log in and they've got a classroom of 25 other kids all across the world.
	Actually, we've got kids in 14 foreign states, 48 states and 14 foreign countries.
	And they'll have classmates.
	Kids can talk to each other.
	They can talk to the teacher.
	And they can bring, because of technology, they can have music and timelines and pictures and film clips to help with education.
	So we create a virtual classroom that is every bit the equal, I think, of the typical model.
	But it's in some ways better because there's more privacy.
	This is happening in your home.
	No one at Freedom Project, none of our kids have had to miss a day of COVID. They never had a school shooting.
	They've never been bullied by sex.
	They've never been forced into the wrong bathroom because they get this education in your living room.
	And so it is one answer, I think.
	And we are accredited.
	Our kids are graduating, going to colleges.
	We do all the transcripts and grades for you.
	So it is... But meanwhile, you can watch if you wish to because we record the live classes.
	As soon as the live classes are over, we record them.
	You, mom, mom and dad, you have access to every single second of your kid's education.
	All you got to do is get on that site and go back and you can find everything that was said, everything that was done.
	You control and see everything.
	And so we believe education, one of the reasons education has lost its way is It's because educrats and teachers unions and miseducated teachers have taken all the parental rights and they've adopted them while ignoring your kids' education.
	In a school like Freedom Project, we're giving you a school structure and we're allowing you at home to be in charge of it.
	That's really interesting. And, you know, there's so many different ways for people to approach it.
	You know, just like we have, you know, you can have homeschools or you can have private schools or charter schools or this or that or a regular public school.
	There's a lot of different ways that this can be done.
	And as you're pointing out, this is...
	A classroom situation, like a Zoom class, and parents can see everything that is being done in the classroom so they have an opportunity to monitor it, which is something that you wouldn't get out of a charter school or something like that.
	You would still have this kind of, well, what is really being taught there?
	And the key part of it, I think, is the fact that you have that oversight ability because there's always this uncertainty when it's out of sight.
	What is going on? Even if you could have one teacher, Yeah.
	of the faculty or the principal or the mission of the school, but they could go do their own thing.
	And you don't know that in a school environment or in a charter school environment because that class is hidden from you.
	And so I think that's a real key thing.
	Yeah, it is.
	And I think even with the charters and some of the private schools, people have to realize that many of the private and many of our Christian, so-called Christian schools have been infected with all of this.
	In fact, some of the most intolerant CRT and LGTBQ programs are in our Christian schools, believe it or not.
	Oh, yeah. You said it a moment ago.
	Yeah, you've got to be very careful about that, but the key is exactly that.
	Moms and dads are the stakeholders.
	They should be in charge, ultimately.
	That's right. People will say, you know, what's the matter with the schools?
	They're totally failing, and I've said for years, they're not failing.
	They're doing exactly what they were designed to do.
	As you pointed out, you know, there was actually a Babylon Bee satire, and they said, miracle, the student graduates from seminary class and still believes in God, you know?
	I mean, it's in all of the...
	Thank you.
	to be able to see that.
	And in your particular approach, you have a situation where the parents don't have to do the schooling, but they still have the visibility and the educational resources are still there for the parents to have full, I should say, I guess, the resources are accountable I should say, I guess, the resources are accountable to the parents, which you don't have in these other formats.
	And yet, it offloads a lot of the work from parents, and it looks more like a traditional school.
	But I think a lot of people are concerned about the different approaches to homeschool.
	They don't know exactly what they're going to do in terms of How do I teach this class or that class?
	And there's different approaches that have come, but this is one that people would instantly recognize because it's so much in structure like a class, but the focus is on the academics and keeping that focus rather than some kind of a social agenda.
	Yeah, and the nice thing about this is that if you are comfortable homeschooling your kids, and let's say that you're doing a great job up until they're juniors in high school, but you have no idea as a homeschooler mom how you're going to teach them chemistry.
	Well, you could just take a chemistry class.
	Or if you have to keep your kids in the public schools, I hope you wouldn't.
	But if you keep your kids in the public school, but you're very concerned that the history of America they're learning is one big lie, which is what it's going to be.
	And we have moms and dads who keep their kids in the public schools, but they take...
	I think we're good to go.
	Two times a week, mom and dad will sit them down and watch an actual recorded history class from us that at least gives your kids a second way of seeing things.
	We have a lot of moms, too, who have kids in public schools.
	And so the kids don't know how to do math.
	And so they're learning all this goofy math stuff that is completely non-intellectual.
	Well, you can set that aside and show them some of our math, which is traditional math.
	And right away, the light bulb goes off.
	Kids who couldn't do math in the public schools now can do it because, lo and behold, we're teaching them math, not social justice math.
	Yeah, that's very important, and that's a real key advantage because that is the issue when you get to the higher levels.
	What do we do for chemistry?
	What do we do for these other things?
	And what has become commonplace is for people to have a co-op type of situation.
	But that doesn't mean that you've got anybody there that is really qualified to teach chemistry.
	You've got somebody who signs up to do it.
	And, you know, they'll try to stay a couple of lessons ahead of the kids doing it.
	But if you could take a particular class or set of classes and kind of do the classes a la carte, is what you're talking about, right?
	Yeah, yeah, wonderful. Something that people are looking at, you know, a particular deficiency of your ability to teach or something that you would just like to offload.
	You can offload that particular class if it's something that you don't like.
	So you don't like math. Well, you could offload math to the Freedom Project Academy, right?
	Yeah, and the nice thing is we, for high-achieving kids, we have at the high school level advanced economics, we have marine biology, we have astronomy, we have really good class of physics that you would be hard-pressed.
	I certainly couldn't teach them.
	But we also, for kids who are remedial, So if you find out that your fourth grade is really reading at a first grade level, which is likely to be the case, you can bring your kids to us and we have remediation programs to get them caught up as well.
	We can then take not just the high achieving kids and give them those high level courses that homeschool is hard to do.
	We can also take kids who are behind and try to catch them up because we have a different paradigm than public school.
	In the public school, As long as every kid is equally bad, that's justice, right?
	That's fairness. The problem are the kids who get ahead.
	The high achieving kids are the ones that are being artificially held down.
	That's what the common, by the way, in common core meant.
	People didn't realize it.
	All that meant was everybody's going to get the same education, a common education.
	And to do that, you can't raise standards.
	Every time you raise a standard, kids fall off.
	Every time you lower a standard, more kids are included.
	And look, inclusivity is the only virtue the left now believes in.
	As long as every kid is the same kid, and that means much lower, then we have racial and social justice.
	I remember when Common Core was being pushed and you had...
	Bush out there talking about no child left behind.
	Well, you know, the converse of that is no child gets ahead.
	That's right. And no child left behind meant don't fail them.
	It didn't mean educate them.
	It means everybody gets a diploma.
	Everybody gets a passing grade.
	Everybody gets to go to college.
	And this was a so-called Republican president.
	So going back to the Department of Education in 79, whether you've had Republican, conservative, or Democrat presidents, all of them have moved education to the left.
	That's right. Yeah, it's all Lake Wobegon curriculum, where everybody's above average.
	But, you know, the reality is, as you're talking about remedial classes, to give an example, we talked about in Chicago, for example, they had over...
	30 schools, I forget the exact number, but over 30 schools where there were no students reading at grade level.
	And they had over 50 schools where no students were able to do math at grade level.
	But as you point out, they're fine because everybody's equal.
	We've dumbed everybody down to the least common denominator, but I guess they wouldn't understand that either because they don't do math.
	It's even worse than that.
	It's not that everyone's equal.
	You're superior. If you don't know math, math now and science are considered white supremacy.
	The idea that the empirical method and facts and truth, objectivity...
	These are being attacked by the socialist left as racist, sexist constructs designed to keep minority and women people down.
	That's the whole point. So science is hard.
	Math is science. Math is hard.
	So our response? Well, they must be white supremacists.
	So therefore, the fact that if minority kids in the inner city schools where there's no discipline, there's no family support, if those kids aren't getting the same grades as kids in wealthy suburban schools, well, then it's got to be racism.
	And the problem isn't the school.
	The problem is math itself and science itself.
	And that type of attitude, I remember Walter Williams before he passed away, that enraged him.
	He said, what you're saying here is that black people can't do this, or black people can't do that, and so we've got to dumb it down.
	He says, you know, that's what he hated so much about all this stuff.
	But let's talk about what classical schooling is about, you know, kind of reclaiming the tools of loss, the lost tools of learning.
	Let's talk to people a little bit about what's involved in classical schooling.
	Well, the first thing I would say about classical education is something nobody ever mentions.
	It understands human nature.
	Classical education starts from the premise that we're all different, that not all of us are going to be good at everything, that the purpose of education is not to make us the same.
	It is to make us more individual.
	I, for instance, in second grade, I had a first grade reading, first grade math ability.
	I still have a first grade math ability, right?
	I was never going to get it.
	It was not me.
	And yet, when I was in second grade, I had a 12th grade reading level, see?
	And back then, they let me read 12th grade books in second and third grade.
	Can you imagine with the one gift God gave me, the ability to read and to write?
	If I had to be chained to my second grade peers for the next 10 years before I even got to 12th grade books, that one tool that I had would have been destroyed.
	In the same way they're destroying math kids, if you're forcing...
	A second grader who can do ninth grade math, if you're forcing that kid to keep doing second grade math, that math talent is going to rebel.
	It's going to fall to pieces because it'll have been destroyed.
	So when we teach kids like individuals, that allows kids who are good in sub-subjects to jump ahead.
	That's not discrimination.
	That's education.
	We've lost that idea.
	And before you say anything else about classical education...
	It conforms to human nature.
	This progressive education doesn't because it literally holds everyone down, strangles everybody from what they could do by insisting that unless they're the same, there's some kind of discrimination. - It reminds me of Kurt Vonnegut's novel, Harrison Bergeron, right?
	Where if anybody could run, they'd put weights on their legs.
	If they could dance, they would tie them up so they couldn't dance because they can't let anybody excel.
	If you've got some natural talents or some developed abilities, we're not going to let you use them.
	And that really is what we have incorporated everywhere, I think.
	You know how that story begins, right, Harrison Bergeron?
	Oh, it's wonderful. It says something like, in the year 2097, because of the 187th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, finally, all people were equal.
	There you go. That's great.
	Yeah, that's one to remember.
	I start out the program every day with a quote from Orwell, you know, as the clock strikes 13.
	This is what's happening.
	This is the date as the clock is striking 13.
	That's kind of the world that we live in.
	What's that? Two plus two equals five, remember.
	That's right. Yeah, that is a key.
	So it allows people to pursue what, and to, as I pointed out earlier, you know, the a la carte nature of it, I think that is something that is super valuable.
	No matter what path you choose to educate your child, that is an incredibly valuable resource to try to pull in something that they're struggling with, to try to shore that up.
	Or if it's something that they're super interested in, maybe you can go a lot deeper, then you would be able to guide your child.
	And so that allows, as you know about every child being individual, that allows every parent to tailor the education and the desires of their child for education, to tell that specifically to them.
	So tell us a little bit.
	There is a really important thing to say, and I want to make sure we get this said.
	You also got to have a little faith if you're a mom and dad, especially if you're a Christian mom and dad.
	Look, do you really think God blessed you with kids that you yourself could not educate?
	That doesn't make any sense.
	That if God gave you those children, the idea that you are powerless to educate them, why would that system exist?
	Why would God give you children?
	Only somebody else can educate.
	That doesn't make a lot of sense.
	So if you start with a little bit of faith, I've met tens of thousands of homeschool moms across the country giving all these common core talks.
	And I can tell you one thing.
	I've never yet ever, not one single time, met a homeschool mom who regretted doing it.
	That's right. Neither have I. Everybody has been one of the biggest...
	They look at it, it's like this daunting task as they're looking at all this stuff, and they put pressure on themselves.
	But as they get into it, and as they take each day as it comes, I have...
	I've seen over and over again, parents who never regret it.
	They love it. It's one of the biggest blessings of being a parent was to be involved personally in your child's education.
	That's the way that God intended it.
	And if you do this, you want to honor God, God will honor that.
	And He will make things happen.
	People need to step out in faith about that.
	So tell us a bit more about classical education, some of the classes that are available at Freedom Project Academy.
	Well, we believe classical education means, on top of everything else, teaching kids how to think, not telling them what to think.
	It's not prescriptive.
	It's not ideological. Let a child wander.
	If he wants to read, the more he reads, the better.
	The higher he reads.
	If they want to experiment with science and math, you encourage that.
	You don't try to discourage them.
	And they'll find out. Kids are smart enough.
	They'll find out where their wheelhouse is.
	So just nurture them.
	So with classical education, then, the one thing that I would say that separates us from everything else, besides the fact that it teaches kids to think, critical thinking, is the fact that it's very...
	If you don't know what happened, then you're going to be condemned and repeated, right?
	If we don't know, if we can't learn from the past, then we're animals, or we may as well be animals, right?
	We make the same mistakes again.
	This, by the way, is why the public schools hate history.
	They either ignore history or they rewrite it along ideological lines.
	If we told the truth about socialism, it would be the first idea canceled.
	We're canceling the founding fathers because a small percentage of them own slaves.
	Okay, if that's enough to disqualify them, then you should completely disqualify socialism on the hundreds of millions of people it killed.
	But that's the ideology.
	Socialism is the answer to the problem, no matter how many people had to die.
	And the founding fathers had to go because 250 years, they lived in a world that was not like ours.
	Yes. Yeah, that's very true.
	And talk a little bit about critical thinking.
	As I've said many times, you know, education is not the filling of a bucket, but it's the lighting of a fire.
	Trying to find, as you pointed out, what your kids are interested in, what they're good at, what their wheelhouse is, and then supporting them in that.
	But also, it's very different, as you point out, the goal of our government institutions are to tell people what to think.
	Your goal is to try to tell them how to think and how to think critically, right?
	That's exactly right. And you do that by exposing them to different arguments.
	Look, we're a Christian school, but we have our kids read the Greek and Roman mythology, the Odyssey, the Iliad, the Aeneid, not because we want them to choose paganism, but because too many of our – this is one flaw of homeschooling.
	Oftentimes, homeschool moms and dads are so protective of their kids that they only have them read books from their own worldview.
	The problem with that is when you go to college, you're immediately going to hear arguments attacking that worldview, but you've never heard those arguments before.
	You don't know what other people think, and so that's why so many homeschool kids collapse when they get to college and become liberals.
	It's because they can't They defend what they believe because they've never read what the other people think.
	So classical education is about that.
	Think about it. Why does Washington, D.C. look like a Roman city?
	You've got buildings and monuments that look like something from ancient Rome, including the White House with its pillars.
	That's because the founding fathers, all of them were Christians or at least deists.
	There's a handful of deists. Most of them were Christians.
	They all believed in God.
	They read the pagan classics.
	They read Plato and Aristotle.
	They learned about democracy and forms of government.
	And the first great republic in the world was the ancient Roman Republic.
	So for all their Christianity, so I like to explain it this way.
	The ethos and the moral spine of the founding of this country was Judeo-Christianity, going back through the New Testament all the way to the Old.
	But the structure of our government isn't Christian.
	It's Roman in a way.
	It's a republic.
	And so if our kids aren't reading and understanding that, they're going to be easy prey for radical leftists.
	Like you mentioned, when I logged on here, you were talking about Chinese education where you got to sign off on no religion and all that.
	By keeping your kids away from other worldviews, you are doing effectively what the Chinese are, only keeping them in a box itself.
	And then when a better argument seems to come down the road, they have no ability to defend what they believe.
	That's right. And if they understand history and they understand Roman history, for example, they understand we've got to be careful about crossing that Rubicon and going from a republic to an empire.
	And I think we crossed that Rubicon here.
	Many, many, many ways, and people don't understand the difference between those two.
	They just say, well, I've heard something somewhere about Rome.
	I love your Rubicon example, right?
	The die is cast, Caesar said.
	We crossed the Rubicon River, and forever Rome ceased to be a republic and became a tyranny, an empire, an emperor, basically a king to an emperor.
	And not knowing that, you and I went to school.
	We got that kind of education.
	My university kids have never heard any of this stuff.
	Seriously, my university kids, only about – I would say about 80% of my university kids, they know that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.
	Only about 30% of them actually realized that he was president of the United States.
	It's that bad. Well, what's bad is that they are focusing them on sex at such an early age.
	I mean, it really has, life has become a combination of Orwell's 1984 and Harrison Bergeron from Vonnegut and Brave New World.
	You know, when you look at these schools, it's absolutely insane what has happened to them and how quickly it has happened in those schools.
	And so it is very important for us to understand the alternatives.
	Tell us a little bit more about some of the classes that you have, because I think it's very important that people understand that they can get some of these things a la carte.
	To me, that is a very, very important feature.
	Absolutely. We have economics courses at every level because math is important, but if kids don't understand money and how to stay afloat, there's going to be big problems, all the debt.
	Maybe I could pay for Jerome Powell to enroll.
	Yeah, exactly right.
	Well, one of the requirements we have for kids in middle school is that they take Latin.
	Not only is Latin a great language in terms of its historical knowledge and its biblical knowledge, but Latin also is a mathematical language.
	You have to place things in certain ways.
	It's very analytic.
	So by teaching kids Latin as the first language they learn in sixth and seventh grade, they're going to be prepared to do Spanish and French and Italian at a much higher level because, of course, all those languages are based on Italian.
	But there's something so mathematical and analytically precise about Latin that it really helps them in math and science, too.
	So we have that.
	We have the advanced economics.
	We have... History courses that are American and civic-based, too.
	Our courses in American history don't just teach history, but civics, something that the public schools ignore.
	We also have, as I mentioned before, we have literature classes.
	Hang on there a second and talk a little bit about that distinction with civics.
	Oh, boy, it's a big one.
	So teaching kids history is oftentimes fraught because, as we've seen, people like Howard Zinn in the 70s created history textbooks that were viewed through the lens of socialism, not democracy and freedom and the republic.
	And so you can skew history, but civics you can't.
	Civics is what our rights and responsibilities are, what we are allowed to do, what we owe our country, what our country owes us through law.
	All of that stuff.
	What the responsibilities of freedom are.
	And those can't be made up.
	What's in the documents say this is what we can and can't do, what we must do, what our liberties are, how government is limited.
	Government works for us, not the other way.
	That's the thing that our kids aren't getting.
	So they don't see the value of the Constitution because all they're taught in their history classes is that the white men who created the Constitution eliminated women and minorities.
	And then we move on to something else.
	But when you read the documents and you find out civically what benefits and what wonderful prescience they had, suddenly you don't look at them so negatively.
	So civics without history is problematic, and it's one of the reasons why we are in the trouble we are today with young kids when they vote.
	Yeah, and of course, it's also true, you know, as you come as a Christian background, if people don't understand human nature, they're not going to understand one of the reasons why we keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again.
	Regardless of the technology, they want kids to think that because they have computers or something like that, there's so much More advanced than the past and that the rules don't apply, but the issue still remains human nature, and that's what doesn't change, and that's one of the key things that we learn out of history.
	But continue on with some of the other things that you have.
	Well, I would say, too, about that point, because you want to know the best definition of classical education is that, right?
	That socialism is...
	It's wrong on a lot of levels, and it's wrong precisely because it doesn't take human social values into context.
	It doesn't understand human nature.
	Human beings are not the same.
	It treats people as collectives, not individuals.
	Socialism wages war on the individual.
	Well, you mentioned Christianity.
	I think Christianity has always been the kryptonite of socialism.
	Why?
	Because there is no figure in human history, not one, who was more individually centered than Jesus Christ.
	When he came, he did not offer salvation collectively.
	That was something you had to work out with God through your own free will.
	There has never been a greater voice in human history than Christ when it comes to the worth and the power and the uniqueness of every individual.
	We're all made in the same image of God.
	And that transcended ethnic groups, the transcended male and female, and all the rest of these things, isn't it?
	If you're highly individual about that, you're exactly right.
	And it is why they have to attack that.
	One of the reasons is they don't want there to be any God except them.
	But the other part of it is that as well, because if they reduce you, as we saw with all the public health stuff, right?
	Public health is this imaginary thing, but we can destroy all the health of the individuals in order to serve this construct we call public health.
	Yeah, and the reason we're in the mess that we are in our schools is because we are removing Christianity.
	The Christianity is slowly being eradicated from our culture, and with every step back, Christianity takes, socialism takes two steps forward.
	And so if you really want to fix this, and this is one of the reasons, by the way, homeschool works, because many, not all, but many homeschool moms and dads are Christians.
	Yeah. Mm-hmm. Public schools, the socialists are correct.
	Before you can get full socialist control of any aspect of American culture, you have got to push religion in general and Christianity in particular.
	You've got to push it off the cliff.
	They've been pushing for a long time now, and I don't see a whole lot of our Christian churches pushing back.
	That's right. Yeah, it's one of the reasons why all these socialist collectives have always failed throughout history because, as you point out, they don't understand human nature.
	It was a problem for the pilgrims.
	It was a problem for all these, you know, the United States experience and all the rest of these things.
	And they would come back and say, well, the problem's not socialism.
	The problem is the families.
	And we've got to get the kids away from the parents at an earlier and earlier age.
	We see all of these threads.
	If we know history, even just recent history, we can see all of these threads, all these arguments that have gone back for hundreds of years, very, very similar to what we have right now.
	We've got to get rid of parents.
	We've got to get rid of Christ.
	We've got to get all that out of there.
	And we've got to get the kids at an early age so we can indoctrinate them.
	That's why it's so important for We're good to go.
	Capitalism is a perfectly fine idea.
	It works. However, some capitalists abuse it.
	The problem with socialism is the idea.
	The problem with capitalism is that some people might misabuse it.
	Nevertheless, the idea does work.
	Yeah, any system that you have, a bad actor in a system, doesn't necessarily mean that the system itself is bad.
	It's an opportunity for you to purge that out and not be corrupted by it.
	It's an opportunity for reform to the system.
	But the problem with any system is going to be the individual human element, and that's the key thing.
	But as you point out, socialism is inherently flawed in its very structure.
	So tell us a little bit about your approach to things that are more basic, like math and reading, how that differs from the government's approach.
	Well, we do hardcore phonics.
	You want to teach your kids to read, read fast, and read well, you've got to teach them phonics.
	No sight words, none of this garbage they're doing in the public schools now.
	Amen. That's true.
	I can say that. Everybody that I've known is phonics.
	It really is, yes. It works.
	And this is why you said something very early on.
	These schools are failing because they see failure academically as a way forward.
	This is not a mistake.
	The public schools aren't interested in turning your kids into educated people.
	Educated people won't follow instructions.
	Educated people won't surrender their freedoms to socialism.
	So they're literally, not figurative, literally holding your kids back so they don't know.
	That's why they teach sight words.
	That's why they're trying to get kids to look at words and memorize them.
	It's not a mistake.
	They can't do it. They can't read.
	They can't do math. Kids who can't read and do math and look after themselves, kids who can't become entrepreneurs and take care of their own families, they will turn to government to do it for them, which is the end game here.
	So we do traditional math, traditional science, purely empirical, right?
	All based on memorization of...
	We have multiplication tables.
	We don't do common core weirdness.
	Our reading is phonics-based.
	We have them reading good books that have moral and historical lessons in them from the time they start going to school.
	Our grade levels are what they were 20, 50, 100 years ago.
	By the time your kid starts and graduates high school, we want to make sure that kids can theoretically do calculus by the time they graduate from high school.
	We want to make sure they're doing algebra before they get to high school.
	They've got to be reading serious books before they get to fifth grade or they'll never read better books.
	So it's not complicated.
	We've been doing it. We did it for a thousand years.
	It's just in the last 50 to 70 years, we threw it all away and went with all of this ideological crap from the departments of education that these indoctrination sites are turning kids away from teaching truth and turning all this ideology.
	I agree. And of course, the solutions, everybody, one of the big problems is that most people in our society, and it doesn't matter if they're left, right, Republican, Democrat, most people still see government as a path to a solution.
	If we just elect the right people, if we got the right president in place, but the solution really is for us to step up and to do it ourselves.
	And that was always what Alexis de Tocqueville talked about, the strength of America.
	They would see something that was a problem and they would take care of it themselves.
	If they needed a library, if they needed a volunteer fire department, he said the Americans will put it together.
	He said in France, where they were under socialism, they're waiting for the government to come to their rescue.
	The Americans will step up and do it.
	But we've lost that. And the reason we've lost that is because it's been educated out of our...
	And that is in the kind of education that we have now.
	I really like what you're doing there.
	Freedom Project Academy.
	And the website is, I've got it here on my sheet here.
	Tell everybody where the website is.
	We start enrolling in middle April, so this is very timely.
	And check us out at fpeusa.org, fpeusa.org, all kinds of information about our school.
	You can see every class we teach, every book we assign in every class.
	You can see that. Whether you come with us or not, you could take our whole curriculum, just take it.
	Just get your kids educated well.
	We start enrolling in about three weeks, and if you have any questions, you can get a hold of anybody.
	Just go to FPEUSA.org.
	April 11th, and it is FPEUSA.org.
	And I have to say I absolutely agree with your philosophy of education.
	It's one of the things that we used to do kind of ad hoc back in the days when we educate our kids.
	We'd go down to the bookstore, and they'd have these books, you know, what your third grader needs to know or whatever.
	We'd look at that and say, no, they don't need to know that.
	There's something they need to know that's not in there.
	And, oh, by the way, they're going to teach the other third graders this, so we need to teach them that and teach them why we don't agree with that.
	You know, teach the controversy there, and that's part of the critical thinking.
	I really do agree with what you're doing, Dr. Pessa.
	Thank you so much for coming on.
	And, again, that website is FPEUSA.org, a great place to find resources, and that will get you started for sure, if you're trying to get your kid out of this system that seeks to dominate them.
	Thank you so much, sir.
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	They created common core to dumb down our children.
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	Their commons project to make sure the commoners own nothing.
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	But each of us has worth and dignity created in the image of God.
	That is what we have in common.
	That is what they want to take away.
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	is Noah Sanders.
	And he has, I think, something that all of you are going to be very interested in.
	His site is RedeemingTheDirt.regfox.com And he's talking about farming.
	And he's also talking about pulling community together.
	And even talking about sharing God's gift of the early spring.
	Showing God and the growing of this food.
	But he's got a lot of details.
	There's going to be some seminars that are going to be coming up.
	He's got April training, May training, and we'll talk about that, where you can go there and get hands-on experience in doing a lot of these things.
	It is something I think is incredibly valuable, something that I look at with jealousy of the people who are able to do this type of thing.
	I come from a different background where this is all new to me, and so we're trying to get our family up into the foundations for farming.
	But that is the name of his training, his foundations for farming.
	So joining us now is Noah Sanders.
	Thank you for joining us, Noah. Thank you.
	I appreciate you having me on the show today.
	Let's talk a little bit about some of the things that you cover, talking about scaling up for homestead-level food security.
	What do people need to do?
	Because that's what a lot of people are looking at.
	Food security, people are very concerned about that.
	A lot of uncertainty, but it's better to be able to grow your own than to stash it, I think, and get better quality stuff as well.
	Talk a little bit about what people need to think about for food security.
	Yeah, so in the U.S., we have, you know, kind of a generational disconnect now from a lot of that connection with the land.
	Historically, God's provided, you know, an amazing way that you can put seeds in the ground and they'll produce food without any huge complex industrial, you know, economic system and throughout history.
	That tends to be what people always revert to, whether it's in World War II at the Victory Gardens.
	You had that in the Civil War in the South here.
	You had people have to go back and learn how to grow flax and make their own linen all the way back in the Revolutionary War.
	It's the only way that we were able to separate from Great Britain.
	So food has always been linked to food.
	And I think it's encouraging to realize that this is something that has been, when times are good, people tend to move to other disciplines from agriculture, tend to get disconnected from the soil, and then have to rediscover that.
	It's not unique to our generation.
	It may be we have unique circumstances because of our technological situation, but it's Something that's had to be done over and over again.
	And I think the biggest key for all of us in trying to get back to improving some of the food security in our own areas is to be willing to do what God loves to see, which is to be faithful with little first.
	before we try to do everything.
	And a lot of people get burned out trying to do that.
	So that's what we really focus on with Foundations for Farming is teaching people the basics of success so that they don't burn themselves out trying to do too much too fast to underestimate how much skill it takes to grow food. - Yeah, and I've talked to people in the past and said that's the rookie mistake is that you go out and you try to grow all your food simultaneously at the same time You've got to pick something and you've got to start with that, pick something that's simple.
	So what is simple? What do you tell people to start with?
	Yeah, so we kind of break it down to three different levels of agriculture.
	One is, you know, growing some of your own food successfully.
	That's like your first, you know, thing.
	And normally that's a garden is the best place to start with that.
	The next level up is what we would call a homestead where you're trying to actually grow a lot of your own food, you know, maybe a larger percentage.
	And that is more of a lifestyle commitment.
	Like you're really going to have to make some sacrifices to do that.
	In terms of maybe where you live and how free you are to travel.
	And then the third is where you're actually getting other people to pay you to grow food for them.
	And that's when it's actually like a business venture.
	A lot of people, we try to, you know, we get right into farming when we start a business.
	And anybody can learn to farm, but it's kind of like I love to play the fiddle or the violin.
	And anybody can learn to play one.
	But you don't quit your job tomorrow and buy a violin and a how-to-play-violin book and expect to make a living, right?
	There is a learning curve.
	Yeah. How do you get to Carnegie Hall?
	Practice, right? Right.
	And a lot of mistakes.
	That's right. And that's where starting small is nice because it's a whole lot easier to make a mistake where you lose half your chickens if you have only 10 than if you have 100.
	Yeah, that's right.
	And as you talked about that lifestyle choices, you've got a lot of farm animals.
	If you go real big with a homestead, that's going to tie you down on that homestead, taking care of those chickens, taking care of cows.
	Our first dip into this was chickens, and we've lost...
	You know, a couple dozen, two different times to predators that were there.
	And that is our biggest concern.
	Other than that, we were doing great.
	We liked the chickens. They liked us and they gave us lots of eggs.
	But it's, you know, we had some predators in Texas who love the chickens even more than we did.
	Yes. So that was our big issue.
	But we're getting ready to try to do some gardening.
	But when you talk about just starting to get into it with a garden, what type of things would you recommend that people do to start out in a garden?
	Yeah, so we really take the approach of trying to understand that a lot of us, when we get started, in this day and age of information, some of our biggest challenges is an overwhelm of information.
	You know, you go on YouTube and you try to be like, what's the best way to grow a tomato plant?
	And you get inundated with all these conflicting ideas of what's the best way to do that.
	And I faced that same situation when I started farming was it wasn't as simple as, you know, when I used to do some blacksmithing.
	And there wasn't a whole lot of controversy on how to make a knife or how to make a nail.
	But you ask people how to grow a tomato plant or raise a chicken.
	And there's some real, you know, different battling perspectives, which really boils down to worldview.
	Whether you view that nature has all the answers or you view that science and man has all the answers.
	And those impact the way that you view life and the way that you make decisions about how life should or shouldn't be treated.
	And so as Christians, I think it's important for us as we come to the land, not only just to say, well, practically, how can we make a success of this?
	But we've always really said it starts with the heart of us recognizing that to become the greatest farmer requires the greatest humility.
	And the farmer that I learned from the most is a guy from Zimbabwe, Africa named Brian Oldrieff, who founded Foundations for Farming.
	And he actually was a failing farmer who was losing money in Rhodesia in the early 1980s on their farm.
	And so he finally got to a point that he just went to the woods where everything was growing perfectly fine without all the plowing and the fertilizer and everything that he was trying to do in his field.
	And he just asked God because he saw in Romans 120 where it says that God's eternal attributes are clearly displayed through what has been made.
	And he said, show me how to farm God.
	And he just felt like God showed him two simple principles that were different than what he had been doing.
	And one was that there was no regular deep inversion plowing in natural creation.
	And secondly, that there was always this beautiful blanket of mulch covering the ground that protects the soil.
	So he just applied those two simple principles to his farm on a small scale first, and then they implemented it over the entire thing.
	And they were so profitable and successful that at their height, he was managing the second largest privately owned farm in Africa.
	Right. And then if you know the story of Zimbabwe, the white farmers lost all the land.
	And so the Foundations for Farming kind of was born out of some of these white farmers who loved Jesus saying, if a man takes away your tunic, you let him have your cloak as well.
	So how do we apply that?
	If a man steals our farm, let's teach him how to farm.
	So they took the principles they had learned on a large scale and brought it down and began teaching it.
	To the last, least, and the lost.
	And that's really had a huge impact in the poor.
	And so for us, when we teach people about approaching gardening, we build it on three heart attributes of Christ.
	The foundation of Foundations for Farming is Jesus Christ.
	And it's his humility, his faithfulness, and his unselfishness that he displayed when he came.
	So we display the humility by saying, like Jesus said, I only do what I see my father doing.
	So when we face any problem, we look at creation and we say, well, what does my father do?
	How did he design it to work?
	And then when faithfulness, recognizing that we've got to reflect who God is and the way that we do things, and we do that by doing things on time, to a high standard, with minimal waste, and then with joy, because that faithfulness is what God adds to to produce a profit.
	And then the unselfishness comes into play when we realize that the land God's given us is not just ours to do with for our own selves and our own benefit, But we want to be able to use that to bless others and to teach others and to pass along what we've learned so that the skill of growing food can be a community thing, not just an individual thing.
	Boy, that's fascinating. And, you know, that is an example we've seen over and over again, people copying what God has done in creation.
	You know, you take a look at Velcro, for example, right?
	They'd look at stickers and things like that.
	And copying his design, his aerodynamic design, in terms of airplanes or in terms of even submarines, looking at how he's done the contours, that is really interesting.
	Very interesting. And what you began with.
	You can go to YouTube and you can get all these different perspectives and stuff.
	The old phrase for that is analysis paralysis.
	You can do so much analysis that you actually paralyze yourself from actually getting anything done.
	And so I think that's an important thing as well, to have somebody who has a system that they know works and just follow that system without trying to pull this stuff together ad hoc.
	But talk a little bit about what happened when they had their land taken away.
	So what did they do to the people there in the local areas?
	White farmers had their land taken away.
	What did they do?
	How did they engage the people there in Zimbabwe?
	Yeah, so it actually started a little bit before he had his land taken away.
	He felt like God was like, I gave you this simple system of minimal tillage and using a mulch, not just so that you could be a successful farmer, but so that you could share with the village across the river here.
	And so they began to go in and share.
	They would take a farmer and they would plant a field for him and show, you know, hey, just take care of this and you can compare it with your plowed plot and see how much better it is.
	When they came back at the end of the season, they began to realize that every year they would have neglected the field and not taken care of it.
	And what they found eventually is that because they were selecting one person, they were creating jealousy and the neighbors would have the witch doctor come and curse the field and then the family would be too scared to come and work in it.
	So they realized it wasn't just a technology issue.
	There was also a spiritual element that you've got to address when you come to looking at some of these broken situations.
	And there's also we want to share with everybody and invest in people who are faithful with it.
	So that's kind of what they began doing is just having right now they have a model farm there in Zimbabwe where they apply these principles.
	Right now they have a model farm there in Zimbabwe where they apply these principles and then they bring in the kind of the forgotten communities, the last, the least, the lost, which is where God loves to start, you know, in rebuilding a nation.
	And they invest in those people, not only in farming, but in stewardship in general.
	Foundations for Farming, we're ministry partners with Crown Financial Ministries, which focuses on stewardship of money because we're teaching stewardship of the land.
	So when we bring these communities in and they're discipled in faith, farming, family, and finance, then they're sent back as a community.
	They really have a huge impact.
	A lot of times when they've seen the trainers and the love they have for them and they hear the gospel, many of them, you know, will put their faith in Christ and start a church when they go back.
	And so recently they've developed a very simple model of growing food called Fumvudza.
	But it's basically a small plot that's about one sixth of an acre where you can grow, where they grow corn, which is the primary staple crop that they have there in Zimbabwe and much of sub-Saharan Africa.
	And it allows a family for $50 worth of inputs to grow enough food to feed themselves for a year.
	Wow. And most people are trying to grow five acres of corn over there and they can't feed themselves.
	But when they're done, they do it what we call God's way by looking at God's creation and copying his nature in the way we manage it.
	It's amazing to see that.
	And the government actually came and asked them to teach into all the agritechs, and they taught it down into the communities.
	And they they had achieved a food security for the first time since their collapse in 2008, two years ago, by applying this with a hoe, just this simple principle and simple technique.
	And but it started by Brian Oldrick originally went to the top, the president, you know, the minister of agriculture and tried to sell them on the idea.
	They wouldn't listen.
	But then he said, well, God's upside down kingdom.
	Let's go to the poorest of the poor first.
	And it was actually those people when the poorest of the poor were the only people in the nation feeding themselves with enough extra to sell that.
	That's what got the government's attention.
	And then they you know, then Pharaoh came calling and asked them to teach it into the into the public sector.
	And I think that's an important thing for us as the church to remember is that when Jesus came, he didn't go to the rich, the powerful, the educated.
	He went to simple, ordinary people and he turned the world upside down that way.
	And that means that all of us in whatever sphere of influence we're in can have an impact.
	And, you know, in our nation.
	That's wonderful. That is a real grassroots movement.
	It is! They're helping themselves by helping others.
	In the long term, they're helping themselves.
	They would be starving, and people would be fighting over food.
	And so they're showing people how to grow not just their own food, but to grow their independence and to grow their community and to grow their dependence on God.
	I mean, that's just the perfect way to do this.
	It's wonderful to hear about that.
	So they have—how do they—since they lost their farm— How did they survive financially?
	Teaching other people to do it, did they take a share of what the other people were doing?
	Is that how they financially made it through?
	It has been different for every person.
	You know, a lot of what the farmers told me there is that when the, you know, there were about 5,000 white farmers, I think, that employed about a million people in Zimbabwe.
	And when they got their land taken away, you know, you have three choices.
	You can either fight, and those who did died, or you can flee, which is what most of them did, or you can stay and forgive.
	And only a few of them chose to do that.
	And so that's what some of my friends did.
	There's been times that the team, which right now the teams there that are training are mostly black Africans and Zimbabweans who are really taking this on because it's Foundations for Farming.
	We have really a discipleship multiplication kind of model of ministry.
	It's not an organizational, you know, top-down kind of thing.
	And so they're really the ones rolling it out.
	And there have been seasons where they've continued to come to work even though there was no money.
	You know, just because they were willing to serve.
	Because over there, when you have a debauched currency, and they keep having high inflation and stuff, you know, it's just very famous for that.
	Yeah, right. They're going through it again.
	And yet they just said, you know what, it really helps you.
	To invest your treasure in heaven.
	because there was one of my good friends over there and he said that he invests he and his wife invested in several retirement funds you know really worked hard their whole life to do that and when they went to cash those in it took them out to lunch barely without any drinks you know and but it really the freedom then that they have to just serve and the heart change that they said that for them as being very prideful culture that they were before self-made farmers
	they this one farmer friend of mine said he kind of got it backwards he said he he thought he loved his workers and his people he took a good you know good care of them and all that the people that worked for him in his business but he said he god told us to rule the land land and love the people.
	And he said he actually realized later that he loved the land and ruled the people.
	And it took losing his farm to get that heart change that he said he was worth losing his farm over.
	Dr. Justin Marchegiani: Wow, that's amazing.
	But that's the way that God works, right?
	It is. But the thing that I think is really key is the fact that you're not just trying to come in and help them materially.
	You're looking at the whole picture, as you talked about, you know, family, creating a strong family, your faith, your finances, as well as the farm.
	That is the key thing.
	You're dressing all of this together instead of just focusing on one little aspect of it, and I think that is so important.
	Yeah, it is. And I think that's, you know, as the church, what people are looking for in the world is hope.
	And the hope is not just in some nugget of information, you know, that we can share with them.
	But it's in a life, a personal life, that is experiencing transformation in the same struggles that everybody else is dealing with.
	And that we are then just passing it along to others.
	And unfortunately, for me, I'm really passionate about agriculture because I feel like agriculture and creation stewardship is an element of what we've been given stewardship of as the church that we've kind of neglected and we haven't addressed.
	Right. And if we fail to recognize the battleground that it is, the spiritual...
	Like, either Jesus is going to have, you know, rule and reign over it, or the enemy is.
	And when the enemy comes to kill, steal, and destroy, we shouldn't be surprised when we've abdicated and we've failed to, you know, bring the principles of Scripture to bear on how should we view this as Christians.
	How should we not just say, well, what's permissible...
	A lot of the farmers in the U.S. are Christians, but I've realized that many of us are not reflecting our own faith in the way that we farm.
	Not on purpose, but just because we haven't evaluated it.
	And there's a lot of Problems that we don't want necessarily, whether it's poor health or unsustainability or lack of profitability, but it all kind of boils back to if we aren't experiencing increase or profit or abundance in an area in our life, and not in a prosperity gospel sense, but there's this principle of if you're faithful with little, God will add to you, right?
	And as you measure, he'll measure to you.
	So if we're losing money, if we're losing health, if we're losing our kids, if we're losing all these things, maybe we're saying, maybe God's telling me I'm not being faithful because he keeps taking away from me.
	And maybe I need to reevaluate, you know, whether, it's like I was reading the other day, if we want to shine his lights in Ephesians, that says we need to find out what pleases the Lord.
	And as farmers, we're never going to do everything perfect because we live in a fallen world and we all have different starting points.
	But are we asking the question, when I go out to take care of my lettuce plants, when I go to raise a chicken, when I go to do whatever I'm going to do, am I trying to find out what pleases the Lord so that I can grow in that place?
	And then, not only do I get vegetables from my garden, but I also get to experience more of Him in the process, which is the real reward at the end of the day.
	That's right. Yeah, I think we can apply that lesson whatever we do for a living.
	We've seen with technology and everything that's there, we're constantly being moved in a direction where we're more obsessed with the The technology that we're using, we don't see the bigger picture of things.
	And I think that, you know, that can happen even to farmers, how much more so to people who are not farmers, who are working on, you know, outside of, you know, God's direct creation.
	You know, we're working at many different levels away from it.
	And I really do think that that is a key part of what we're...
	I certainly know that the people that I know that have started homesteading and working on Tell us a little bit about this training sessions that you've got.
	What do these things look like? You've got one a month that is happening.
	How long does it last?
	And give us a little bit of detail about what that looks like.
	Yeah, so our family, we spent 13 years running a small-scale market farm where we sold kind of organic vegetables and meat and eggs.
	And then a couple years ago, after some of the things that we've learned, we really felt like God had kind of given it to us to be able to equip the church.
	To be more faithful in, you know, agriculture.
	So one of the things that we've done in trying to take some of what we've learned from Foundations for Farming and implement it here in the United States is we're trying to develop some very simple tools, very simple kind of recipes for people to be able to get started on a good foundation if they're going to get, you know, start growing some of their own food.
	So our tool for that with gardening is what we call the Wellwater Garden Project.
	And that's a very simple 20 by 20, 20 foot by 20 foot garden that teaches all the principles of observing God's creation, of good management, of sharing, you know, genuinely your faith in the way that you do it intentionally.
	And it's a kind of a paint by the numbers thing.
	Here's how you space your crops.
	Here's how you put in your bed.
	Here's how you take care of them.
	Because not everybody needs to be an expert in every area.
	God's called each of us to different domains.
	I'm not a self-defense expert, but I love learning from somebody who is so that I can be adequately prepared for whatever responsibilities I have in that.
	So I kind of feel the same thing with agriculture.
	You don't have to be a chef.
	To cook lasagna.
	You just need to have a good lasagna recipe and how to follow it.
	Doesn't mean it's the only lasagna recipe or the best lasagna in the world, but it does help more people to be able to share around their community the joy of making and eating lasagna.
	So that's what the Well Water Garden Project is.
	And we've got some free PDF at thewellwatergardenproject.org that people can download to be able to walk through and plant their own.
	And then our trainings in particular, we are focused on helping impact as many people as possible to grow some of their own food by training trainers.
	So we really are encouraging every family who grows a garden to pray that God would bring two people a year for you to teach how to grow their own garden using yours and your experience so far.
	And at that rate of multiplication, you would have a million gardens starting from one in 10 years.
	So when we look at how many millions of people around the world are on the verge of real food insecurity, it's really normal everyday people being faithful to do what Jesus said, not just do good works, do what Jesus said.
	But it says, blessed are everyone who practices and teaches these commands.
	And I think the commands of Jesus apply even how we grow food in our own backyard.
	That's what the training that we do in April and May is a training for trainers.
	It is equipping people to plant a garden, to learn the whole process that we teach of, like you said, a simple system, and then also how to go back and teach people in their own community and to do it even if they have no agricultural experience.
	And of course, that's one of the, you know, one of the best ways to learn something is to teach it to others as well.
	So it really drives it home to you if you know it well enough to teach it to somebody else and if you're watching them try to do it.
	You talk about how, let's give a couple of samples of the type of things that you're talking about.
	Eight simple questions to create an easy but effective garden plan.
	What type of questions?
	Yeah, so planning, we always tell people, is, you know, daunting to some people and it's like what everybody else sometimes lean on too heavily.
	But planning is just a part of faithfulness because it's trying to answer ahead of time the questions that you're going to have to ask anyways, right?
	There's a lot of questions when you plant a garden.
	Where are you going to plant stuff? What are you going to plant?
	plant?
	When are you going to plant it?
	So planning is trying to answer those questions ahead of time so that when you're actually in the moment, you don't have as many decisions to make.
	So we've kind of boiled it down to four questions about the garden itself and then four questions about the crops that you're going to grow.
	So the four questions about your garden is why are you planting it?
	Because the motive behind it is really important.
	Who is this for?
	Why is this?
	Is this food security?
	Is this just nutrition?
	Is this for beauty?
	Is this to teach somebody else?
	that's going to determine how you design your garden.
	The second is who's going to take care of the garden.
	A garden is just a reflection of the gardener, so you can't have a garden without a gardener, and you need to make sure you match the garden with the labor and the skill level that you have at your disposal to take care of it.
	Mm-hmm. Then the fourth, the third is where will you put it?
	And then what are your space, you know, space limitations and those kind of things?
	And what's your site? And then how big will it be based on, you know, some of the previous questions?
	Mm-hmm. Then the last four questions, once you've got your garden in and you've got a good site and you've got a good foundation for that, is who are you growing the food for?
	When I was growing for market, a big part of our success was knowing how to identify what our customers value.
	Because you can be a really good farmer and gardener, and if you grow something that at the end of the day was a 100% successful crop and yielded a huge harvest, but nobody wants it, You haven't added value to anybody's life, right?
	So overproduction is the worst form of waste.
	So identify who it is you're growing for and make sure that you're not growing something that you're going to drop off or they're going to harvest and be like, I don't care about this.
	I had a friend of mine who was trying to serve a community with a garden and he realized nobody cared about the food at this point in time, right?
	And he grew flowers again the next year and it was one of the biggest, most popular things in the community because everybody wanted flowers.
	Because he was able to identify better what it is that that garden was for.
	And then based on who it's for, what are you going to plant?
	That's the second of the four questions.
	And then where will you plant each of your crops?
	And that has to do with rotations and organization of the garden.
	We give tools and help people understand how to lay that out simply.
	And then there's just the scheduling.
	When are you going to plant it? And for me, I have a calendar you can see on my back wall here.
	And I just write down, once I get all this planned, I'll just write down, this week I'm planting spinach.
	And I can look at the way all the questions I've answered.
	I know the spinach goes here, and this is how much I'm planting because this is how much we need.
	And here's the spacing it's going to be, and I just go do it.
	And it's a whole lot of fun because there's not a whole lot of stressful questions to answer once I actually get out into the garden.
	That's great. You mentioned the thing that was a fundamental insight was that he could do the planting without any plowing, without any tilling.
	So how does that work?
	What do you do instead of that?
	How do you get the seeds in the ground?
	Yes. Well, it's amazing.
	All the plants that we see growing out here that's not part of my garden in Alabama, they grew without any plowing or any fertilizer or any chemical sprays or any of that, and they look a whole lot better than most of my stuff.
	So God already has in place an amazing natural fertility system, and the plowing and tilling that we tend to see today...
	It's different than what, like when the Bible talks about plowing, their plows were more like a pointed, you know, you talk about you beat your plows into, you know, your plows into swords and your, you know, it's just, it wasn't like this huge thing.
	Yeah, I can't remember.
	There's one verse where it goes one way and one where it goes the other.
	And so it was just, it opens up the ground and scratches it where it's minimally disturbing it.
	Just like the birds do or, you know, when an animal goes and roots up in the forest, a seed that's laying on top of the leaves will get in touch with the dirt, and that seed-to-soil contact, that's all it needs to grow.
	And what we often share with people is we go out and we just show, we look in-depth in natural creation and the soil and look that natural soil has...
	It has life in it.
	It has an amazing system of microbes that are continuously fertilizing the plants.
	It has strata.
	It functions in layers.
	It has a continuous application of organic matter on the top.
	And all these amazing things that, yeah, it's not sin necessarily if you plow it, but what we're doing is we're destroying that natural fertilizer factory that's in place, and we have to come in with a lot of synthetic fertilizers and kind of overcome that.
	So the simple method is all we do is when we're putting in our garden is we say, "How can we remove the weeds initially without disturbing the soil as much as possible?" So we'll do that by either just cutting them off right at the surface, kind of like you'd remove sod, or we'll smother it.
	You ever left something out in the lawn too long?
	Yeah. The grass is dead, right?
	And then we'll add compost on top of that and mulch on top of that, and then the worms and the bugs come in, and they make the structure of the soil kind of like a loaf of bread or a slice of bread.
	It's got air. It feels firm, right?
	It doesn't feel fine, but it's got...
	Up to 70% air in it.
	It will wick moisture up and keep it near the roots of the plants.
	It's stable so it doesn't wash away.
	It's got plenty of channels for the microbes to do their things in.
	What we tend to do is plant in flour, just straight flour, you know, that's pulverized.
	And it seems loose and nice, but it actually ends up being more of a growing medium that we have to inject fertilizer into and becomes more and more dead over time.
	So it's...
	A very simple system that is incredibly effective, even here in our Alabama red clay soil that seems like you would have to break it up and plow it to be able to grow things, and you don't.
	It's amazing. It really is counterintuitive.
	Every time I do it, I'm like, this should not work, but it does.
	That's really interesting. How do you keep the birds from eating the seed that you put out, or do you just put out more seed knowing that they're going to?
	What do you do about that?
	Well, we do cover the seed up, and we teach people that, you know, From understanding a biblical worldview, a biblical worldview is just knowing the story that we live in, right, of history.
	We live in a world that was intended to be one way.
	God had intended.
	We turned away from that way and decided to do it our own way, so that broke stuff.
	And so then now we live in this broken world that Jesus came, and he...
	Provided a way for our hearts to be restored to God, and then for some of those, that heart to then apply a degree of redemption to creation currently, but we're still in the midst of this broken world looking forward to the ultimate, like, restoration of anything.
	So we're not going to have the Garden of Eden.
	Right now. We're still going to deal with death, decay, disease, disorder, all that kind of stuff, but there is a beautiful picture of that redemption when we come and apply that.
	So part of our job as gardeners, once we plant the garden, is we've got, I always teach you, there's three Ps that you've got to do once you plant your garden.
	You've got to provide for it.
	So that means, you know, maybe it's support, maybe it's water, like a trellis to grow up, or you have to water it, you gotta maybe add some extra fertility through some more compost, or a chicken manure tea or something to give it.
	And then the second P is you gotta protect it.
	There's all sorts of things that wanna, you know, threaten your garden.
	And so I've got a fence around mine, I've got some frost cover on it right now, I've gotta watch for the bugs, I've gotta watch for all sorts of things, because The reality is a lot of us are growing vegetables that are not native to the climates we live in.
	So they require a little extra babying because they're from the Mediterranean or somewhere.
	And then the third P is you've got to pick it.
	You've got to make sure you get out there and take care of it.
	But as far as the birds go, we cover the seed up so that we make sure that they can't actually see that.
	But we also expect, when I was doing my market garden, if I can get 70% of what I plant, To harvest.
	Then that's a good, you know, I'm always factoring in that 30% margin of just some things aren't going to make it and that's okay.
	And that's part of the process of humility.
	That's great. You have wellwateredgarden.org.
	Is that correct? That's the website?
	Yeah, that's the resource, the free resource where people can download that.
	And then redeeming the dirt dot com is where people can go to learn more about the trainings if they want to get equipped in that resource more in depth and actually learn to teach people in their own communities, because we really need an army of biblically Christians with a biblical perspective on creation because we really need an army of biblically Christians with a biblical perspective on creation stewardship, where we can teach people to use what they have at their disposal in their
	Because once you get to the point in our nation where food shortages affect people's meal today, there's going to be so much demand for people wanting to know.
	know how to grow their own food that is going to be unmeetable.
	That's right.
	And so I really want to focus in this season of time that we have of equipping as many people to be in these communities to say, I can serve you.
	You know, I'm not in the same boat you are.
	I've started with my family and I'm here with what I have to serve you.
	It's so easy to fall into this mentality of protect ourselves from the poor and the people who might not have anything in those kind of situations.
	But in Psalms 41, it actually says, if you make a plan for the poor or if you consider the poor, God will I think that's
	the dna that i want to equip the church with so that we are in a position to really uh have an army of harvesters for the harvest both of people that want to return to stewarding the land well and rebuilding our local economies but also that then are hungry for hope spiritually when what they've normally been hoping in has failed them yeah it's so true and if you look at what the plan is the plan is to isolate us that's
	The plan is to shut us down and to have us all, you know, in our fed whatever they want to feed us in our own little cubicle, small micro apartment or something like that.
	They don't want us meeting together.
	They don't want us going to church.
	I think this is the perfect counter example to that.
	Teaching people how to, you know, understand how to provide food for themselves, building a community, building faith in each other.
	I think it is the perfect counterbalance to everything they've been trying to push and are going to try to push against us.
	That is one of the ways that you've got to push back in terms of building a community, building things up from the grassroots level.
	And it ultimately is going to be the food.
	I mean, we can talk about people storing all types of things to protect themselves and to be able to barter with and all that is important.
	But you've got to have that food and at the same time you're building a community.
	I think it's a great plan.
	Tell us a little bit about why thewellwateredgarden.org.
	Is there something specific about the way that you're setting that up, or is that just the title that you came up with in terms of taking care of the garden?
	No, I love that question.
	The well-water garden comes, that term is not really referring to the way we irrigate the garden or anything.
	It really refers to the heart behind the garden, which comes from Isaiah 58, which that whole part of Isaiah 58 is where the nation of Israel is saying, you know, God, we're having all these problems and you're not blessing us.
	It's like you're not hearing us.
	And we're rending our clothes and fasting and doing all these religious things.
	Why don't you hear us and heal our land?
	And he basically comes back and says, the fast that I'm looking for is that you clothe the naked, that you feed the hungry, that you have a heart for the poor.
	You have the same heart that I have.
	For others, to show that you belong to me and that you care about me.
	And he says if you do that, then one of the things that he promises is that we'll be like a well-watered garden in an arid place.
	Like this beautiful, vibrant example of life, of light in the midst of darkness.
	And that's the heart we really want to have behind the Wellwater Garden Project is where it's really a a an other centered motive for planting a garden.
	This is not a fear based self preservation idea, but it's an idea that if I'm faithful and if I share with others, God will then be the one that provides for me.
	And at the end of the day, that's our only hope.
	Right.
	And all these kind of things, because everything's out of our control much more than we think.
	And we want to be in a position where God says, I will add to you if you're faithful, I will add to you if you're generous.
	And if you have if you prioritize what I prioritize, which is the last, the least in the loss, because that's really recognizing that's all of us without Jesus.
	And as we experience that hope and change, if we're really experiencing it, then we'll want to pass that on to other people.
	And so the idea of that well-watered garden is really referring back to that heart based in Isaiah 58.
	I really love that. And, of course, we saw that with the farmers that began all this stuff in Zimbabwe.
	What a different approach than you would expect, right?
	Rather than fighting it or running from it, okay, you're going to take the land?
	Let me show you how to grow food on it.
	So we can all eat.
	That's just amazing to me.
	But it is really the heart of Christ and the heart of God.
	And I love what they did.
	I love what you're doing with this stuff.
	I'm anxious to see your wellwateredgarden.org website.
	I really do appreciate what you're doing, Noah.
	Thank you so much. And people can find out about...
	And I'll just give people a couple of bullet points that are here because I think it's very important.
	We didn't talk a lot about a lot of the specifics here, but you did mention the eight simple questions about creating an effective garden plan.
	And, of course, there'd be a lot more detail in that with the seminars.
	Clear a spot for your garden without plowing or tilling.
	Make thermal compost and natural organic fertilizers.
	Because that's a key thing.
	That's one of the things that everybody is, you know...
	When they're trying to put the farmers out of business in the Netherlands, they're actually turning fertilizer into contraband.
	It's like, you know, they're just trying to smuggle drugs across here.
	We don't want your fertilizer in here.
	That's the way they shut the farmers down.
	And so, you know, making your own.
	Lay out garden beds with a simple system.
	Allows for an ease of management, space for a variety of crops, plant seeds or transplants with a simple spacing system.
	Easy to follow, easy to remember.
	Care faithfully for your garden with three simple tasks.
	Train others what you've learned.
	All this stuff. As well as alternative off-grid energy and backyard chickens.
	Give us a tip for protecting our chickens.
	Well, I could probably write a book on how chickens can die because there's a lot of different ways that they can do that.
	But no, just a really good fence, a really good shelter, a really good dog.
	There's a lot of different ways that you can provide physical or biological ways to protect those chickens.
	But a lot of this just has to do with Go out, and when you have a problem, God sometimes gets our attention through these things because he wants us to come back and ask him.
	There were some, one more story, some guys in Africa were in a village situation.
	They had been trained by my friend Brian Oldrieff on how to put in a garden and some plots, and one of the questions he had taught them is, you know, to ask God when they faced a challenge, you know, to say, what does my father do?
	And they had the problem of elephants getting into their garden.
	Okay. That would be hard to think.
	Yeah, like you can't even build a fence for that kind of thing, right?
	And so they just said, all right, well, we'll just, Brian taught us to pray and ask God, so we'll just ask God.
	Well, God showed them that elephants don't go near their own manure, so they went and collected some elephant manure, put it around their field, and they had no more problems with elephants.
	Wow. But sometimes, you know, it's just, that's why I say to become the greatest farmer requires the greatest humility.
	Because, you know, Joel Salatin's one of the greatest recent modern-day livestock innovators, and he is always like, how does God design things?
	Brian Oldrieve went back, he got to a point of, I don't know how to do it.
	How do you do it, Lord? And like you said, in so many other areas, but most of the time, you know how it is, I'd rather go to my phone...
	Then stop and pray.
	There's just this spiritual block because it requires a humiliation of degrees for us to say, I don't know it, and ask God.
	But if we can learn to do that, God is just waiting.
	He's the master farmer. He has the solution to every problem, and he is ready to share that with us.
	And if we knew, personally, the best farmer in the entire world, and he said, you can call me up anytime, why wouldn't we do so, right?
	And we do have that.
	And that's... Those kind of testimonies is then what gives us the opportunity when we share with other people about our own garden that we can point back to that experience where it's not just a, oh, by the way, let me tell you about Jesus.
	But it's like, I was at my wit's end and then I asked and the Lord showed me this.
	And then it's genuine.
	Yeah, that's amazing. I've seen pictures of elephants just for fun pushing down trees.
	I mean, there's not anything that you're going to do to stop an elephant, but they don't like their own excrement.
	That's interesting. That's great.
	I love that story and the other stories, and I love what you're doing, Noah.
	And again, people can find this at redeemingthedirt.com.
	That's where you can find out about the training sessions.
	They have them coming up on a regular basis.
	If you want to start building your community, think of a better way to do it than to help other people to grow food and to all the other aspects of this.
	And of course, you have the free site at wellwateredgarden.org.
	Thank you so much, Noah. Great talking.
	Yeah. Can I share with you one more resource for your students?
	RedeemingTheDirtAcademy.com is a free online training platform where it has a community and training videos and all that.
	people want to get a sneak peek and go ahead and get started in some of the material.
	We have hundreds and hundreds of farmers and gardeners and homesteaders from all over the world that love Jesus and love farming and gardening on there, sharing resources, learning together.
	And if anybody wants to really get plugged in that community, they can go to redeeming there at academy.com and sign up for free.
	That'd be great.
	Okay, super.
	Yeah, we'll definitely check that out in our family.
	Thank you so much.
	You know, I really do appreciate what you're doing.
	It is a real blessing to see something that is positive like this.
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	All right. And we have been able to finally get a hold of our guests.
	We had difficulties getting through.
	Michael Yon is our guest.
	He is a guy who's a former Special Forces soldier, former Green Beret.
	And he has been doing reporting and many other things.
	And we're getting him on here at the very last minute.
	And I asked Michael if he would like to reschedule for another day, if we just do it with the time that we got left.
	We're going to go with the time that we got left.
	Which is his preference.
	So we have a lot of things that we want to talk to you about.
	Michael, where would you like to start?
	You want to give us a little bit of a background about your work before we talk about some of the specifics about either what you saw in Japan or what you saw in Panama or about prepping?
	I know that's a real passion of yours.
	Give people a little bit of a background as to what you do.
	You're a reporter who travels the world.
	Tell us a little bit about that.
	I never call myself a reporter, by the way.
	But I was a war correspondent for years.
	Iraq, Afghanistan, Philippines, Thailand.
	I got kicked out of Hong Kong in 2020 and on and on and on.
	So I spent years in various wars.
	And a lot of combat.
	There's a big difference between a war correspondent and a combat correspondent.
	Most of the war correspondents just kind of go and hang out in a hotel.
	That's not me. Right now, you might hear a helicopter in the background that's a Blackhawk that just landed nearby.
	And I'm in the Darien Gap right now.
	I don't know if you can hear that.
	You probably hear the birds at least.
	Yeah, I hear the birds. Can you hear the helicopter?
	No, I don't hear that, but I hear the birds pretty clearly.
	It's a pretty loud Blackhawk back there.
	These modern sound cancellation things are pretty amazing.
	But anyway, yesterday Secretary Mayorkas was to come down here.
	And to expand the size of these camps.
	He's the Secretary of Homeland Security, right?
	And so he's down here with the Southcom commander, four-star general, and the ambassador, right?
	So they landed at an airfield right behind me here.
	I am in Darien Province, Panama.
	Darien Province, Panama is the province which borders Colombia, right?
	This is the corridor, like the hourglass from the entire world going to the United States.
	Right now, Through here, about 1,200 people per day are coming through.
	And the numbers increase. That doesn't include what people that are joining the flows up in Mexico and Guatemala and those sorts of things.
	This is just from all over Africa, all over Asia, many Chinese we've been talking with right now.
	In fact, my team is right next door in a camp.
	I had to jump out of the camp to come talk with you because I'm having signal problems over there.
	So Darien Province, We're good to go.
	From Alaska all the way to Tierra del Fuego down at the top, bottom of, depending on which way you're looking, top or bottom, of South America.
	And then there's this gap of about 60 miles between Colombia and Panama where there's just no jungle.
	And so the Darien Gap is where I'm at now.
	I'm right on the edge of it.
	This is where migrants come in from all over the world.
	They die out there in huge numbers.
	Actually, the IOM, which is the immigration...
	Basically, it's a UN-sponsored, which means American-sponsored immigration operation.
	They hand out rape kits.
	And when I say rape kits, I mean, we've got one.
	I'll show you... Well, I can show you tomorrow.
	But the rape kits are not rape kits to test to see if you've been raped and collect DNA. These are kits to get raped.
	I mean, they have birth control pills, condoms.
	Wow. They have morning after abortion pills.
	These are sponsored by U.S. dollars.
	So many women get raped out here.
	It's unbelievable. And murdered.
	Last week or so, Oscar Blue is a Mexican journalist.
	He's a good friend of mine.
	And Ben Burkwam, an American journalist, also a good friend of mine.
	We're out in the Darien Gap, not far from here.
	I've helped them get out here.
	And they were with the Panamanian Special Forces team, Centerfront, highly professional people.
	And some women came in, raped.
	They've got this on video. The women came in crying, screaming.
	The children are screaming and crying.
	And, you know, the men are in shock.
	And they told the Centerfront Special Forces team, Panamanian Special Forces, right in front of Ben and Oscar, their video was running, where these Colombians were.
	Two or three days walk inside of the jungle here, not far from here.
	Very close, actually.
	And the Special Forces team marched out into the jungle, deeper into the jungle for about five hours.
	They found them. They ambushed them.
	They killed one of the Colombians just as he was about to rape another woman.
	This is on video. It's online now.
	Ben Berkwan put it up.
	And then captured the other two.
	And then about 48 hours ago, they captured, I think, four more.
	And so that's why you might hear a lot of helicopter activity back here.
	One is Secretary Mayorkas came down here, and they're increasing the size of these camp and increasing the flow.
	They did that last April.
	I come here all the time.
	I spend months down here in this jungle.
	You know, New York Times just came through and did a puff piece and trying to To get up more emotions, to get more funding to invade the United States.
	And by the way, Lara Logan, the famous journalist, she just messaged me this morning that she was warned about a mass casualty event possibly down on the U.S.-Mexican border with Texas.
	There's huge camps of migrants on the Texas border.
	I'm down there with them all the time.
	They're on the Mexican side.
	They call it the Mike side, the Mexican side.
	I'm on the Mexican side all the time.
	There's warnings that those camps may dump out straight into Texas and that emergency responders need to have extra body bags and ice and all this sort of stuff.
	That just came from Lara this morning, right?
	That's probably going to happen in about a month when they get rid of this Title 42.
	That's been one thing that's changing.
	What is driving this?
	What is the push and the pull for this immigration, in your opinion?
	Well, the human osmotic pressure, that push and the pull of migration, we know what's causing it.
	This is not conspiracy theory.
	This comes from their mouths.
	This is on their website, the UN website, the World Economic Forum as well.
	They're crystal clear that they want 1.2 billion with a B, billion with a B, 1.2 billion people to migrate, right?
	Yeah. I spent a lot of time in Europe.
	I was just over in Netherlands and Germany and Luxembourg and Hungary.
	I spent more than six years in Europe.
	I run around there all the time.
	I was just in an election in March in Netherlands.
	Those places are overrun with migrants.
	Unbelievable. When you go to Luxembourg, Luxembourg used to be the jewel of Europe.
	When I was in Special Forces, we parachuted in there to do training, to do stuff.
	Afterwards, we did a big tour of Luxembourg, and it was Beautiful.
	It was unbelievable. You could let the kids play around at 2 in the morning.
	No problem. Now, broad noon daylight in Luxembourg City.
	I'm telling you, it's dangerous.
	I saw at least 10 fights, maybe a dozen fights in about 10 days.
	Every day, I saw fights.
	And there's African drug gangs running the street corners.
	Downtown Luxembourg City by the train station.
	If you're in Luxembourg, you're in Europe.
	Just go over there and look for yourself.
	And be careful, daytime or nighttime, people defecating on the streets, doing drugs on the streets, in the open, literally needles they're still using on there.
	I thought people didn't even use those anymore.
	I don't know anything about drug use other than I see zombies everywhere.
	Whether it's in Los Angeles, I see them, or San Francisco, because I also travel all over the United States.
	You know, I was at January 6th and watched, you know, the people do the things that they did.
	And I was there in Atlanta with Antifa and Portland with Antifa.
	The drug addicts are absolutely incredible.
	And I'm not talking about MAGA people.
	I don't need a helmet and body armor around MAGA people.
	Around there, you just need a smile and everything goes again.
	I can talk bad about Trump in front of MAGA people and nothing happens.
	They just disagree with me, right?
	But if I cough one bad word against Biden, I can get...
	Killed in front of those Antifa clowns or BLM, right?
	I mean, that's the kind of things that we're dealing with.
	We're being invaded. This is an invasion.
	This is a replacement strategy, not unlike Stalin did with the kulaks in Ukraine, not unlike Mao did, you know, destroying the farmers.
	I just got a video this morning from Netherlands from a Dutch lady I know.
	They were destroying the last farm in her village yesterday.
	They're taking these farms and the farmers own about 60 to 70 percent of the land in Neverland.
	They're the most efficient farmers in the world, but they're taking that farmland in Neverland to develop something called Tri-State City.
	Tri-State City is a massive smart city, supposed to contain about 30 million people.
	The maps were already drawn.
	People will say that's conspiracy theory.
	I say be quiet, put your little fingers to work, and look up Tri-State City.
	The plans are drawn, and they're making it right now.
	And people still call it conspiracy theory.
	They've already broken ground.
	Tri-State City contains the two biggest ports in Europe, Rotterdam and Antwerp, right?
	Rotterdam, of course, is in Netherlands.
	It's the biggest port in Europe.
	And the second biggest port in Europe is Antwerp.
	These are the biggest ports in Europe when it comes to their supplies, right?
	That's their main arteries.
	Tri-State City is at the end of the Belt and Road Initiative Railway that goes all the way through Chinese money, all the way from Shanghai and Chengdu and all that, feeds all these various feeders through China, goes all the way across Asia, through Europe, and ends at Rotterdam.
	That's why they're building it there.
	This isn't... None of this stuff is right in front of everybody, but everybody's too busy watching soccer games or something.
	They're going to be destroyed.
	These migrants here in this camp, right beside me, 300 meters away, they are coming to take your homes.
	That's what this is all about.
	It's not hidden. It's right in plain view.
	That's right.
	Probably the most efficient farmers there.
	And so they come after them and say, you can't have any fertilizer, you can't have a farm, you can't have dairy, cows, any of this stuff.
	This is by fiat.
	It is a dictatorship. As you point out, the Great Replacement truly is part of the Great Reset.
	It is fundamental to that.
	What is really, in terms of driving it, who do you see giving these rape kits out there?
	This is NGOs that you're seeing down there, right?
	Right, this is OIM or IOM. For instance, if you're in Schiphol Airport in Amsterdam, and you go to Departures Terminal 3, walk in, you know, the little revolving door to your left, you'll see an IOM or OIM, depending on the language.
	You'll see their office right there handing tickets out, helping people get tickets.
	For instance, Chinese that we talked with yesterday, straight from mainland China, Christians actually, They just had flown from China over to Amsterdam, got on an airplane, and went to Ecuador.
	Then they took the bus from Ecuador to Colombia, and now they're here, right?
	And soon they'll be up in the United States.
	So the OIM is the one facilitating all this.
	They're from the United Nations, but that's There's OIM tents 300 yards from me.
	They stay in this little hotel I'm at right now.
	I popped out to this hotel to get Wi-Fi so we can talk.
	They literally stay in this hotel.
	I mean, usually they're here having lunch, but I don't know where they're at right now.
	So this is the sort of thing that goes on here.
	And these are funded by the United States and the EU and other partners.
	The World Economic Forum...
	And CCP, the Chinese Communist Party, I used to look at them as partners, but it's clear that they're co-sanguinated.
	For instance, they have the annual meetings in Davos, and then they have other annual meetings in China, and it's on their website.
	And it's clear that they completely cooperate.
	Now, eventually, they're going to fight each other.
	Because they both have similar goals.
	Reduce the world population, take control of the food supply, take control of the energy supply, put smart cities all over the place.
	They both have those things in common.
	But at some point, the CCP, or as they call them in Hong Kong, I've spent a lot of time in Hong Kong.
	In fact, they got kicked out of there.
	You can see it online, me getting kicked out by the police, taking them to the airport.
	But the Hong Kong, they should have kicked me out after seven minutes, but they kept me for seven months.
	But the... The ultimate goal of the CCP—Hong Kongers call them Chinese Nazis.
	And the reason they call them Chinese Nazis, when you ask the Hong Kongers, why do you call them Chinese Nazis?
	Look at my Twitter. I've got a Chinese Nazi photo that I took in Hong Kong.
	They call them Chinese Nazis because they're ultra-racist.
	The Han Chinese are taught racism.
	Now, what is Nazism and what is fascism?
	Fascism, of course, is when government and business become indistinguishable.
	They're basically a divine in the tree.
	I mean, and...
	Nazism was a party that takes fascism and adds a huge racial component to it, right?
	So you can have fascism, which is not really Nazism, but once you get to that next level, which is what CCP is, they totally want to wipe out basically everybody on planet Earth except for Han Chinese.
	And that includes Hong Kongers.
	Hong Kongers are not part of the club.
	Hong Kongers, they speak Cantonese language, not Mandarin.
	They're smaller. They look different.
	They look different to me. Like, I can tell them apart.
	But a lot, I mean, most Most people, even Asians, can't tell the difference between Hong Kongers and mainland Chinese, but I can because I spend so much time in China and Hong Kong and all over Asia, right?
	But the point is, the Chinese Nazis, the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party wants to destroy even the Hong Kongers.
	And Taiwan, as you can see today, there's a naval, there goes one of the buses right there.
	Literally behind me. I wish I could get this.
	That's okay. Looks good.
	You might be able to hear it. But there's a block that just went behind me.
	That's the pickup invasion force.
	They basically pick them up this camp.
	The night before last, it was 14 buses.
	And just every night and day, they're heading straight to the Costa Rican border where they drop them off.
	And then from there, they head to Costa Rica, of course.
	And then from there, they go to Nicaragua and they continue north up to Guatemala.
	And they finally cross this river at a place called Tapachula in Mexico.
	I've been up there. Tapachula is the most southern city in Mexico.
	It's like El Paso, actually.
	And there's actually a river there.
	And the migrants will cross the river.
	If the river's low, they'll just kind of walk across and roll up their pant legs.
	Or if it's a little higher, they get on the inner tubes with the sticks and that sort of thing.
	And then they go to Tapachula in process into Mexico, and then they head north.
	You should see these maps. I wish I had one, but...
	My team is off in the camp right now, and I'm going to go catch back up with them soon.
	But these maps tell them exactly how to get to the United States.
	It tells you the stop places.
	It tells you the things to complain about or, you know, to get you entry in the United States.
	For instance, you'll have a lot of the migrants coming up and telling you that they're gay, right, constantly, which this never happened even a couple of years ago.
	They just come up and say, yeah, I'm from Ecuador or whatever.
	Now they're all like Corporal Clinger.
	They're all like, you know, because they know that that will...
	Yeah, I mean, I'm like, I say to some of them, I'm like, I got good gaydar.
	You're not gay. They're like, oh, yes, but we have to say that, you know?
	It's like, you know, others, I'm like, yeah, you know, they're...
	Get your Section 8 and go straight through.
	Oh, yeah. They're like, they got to get their Section 8 for people that know Max.
	That's exactly what's going on.
	Right? And you remember when the commander on MASH, what was the colonel's name?
	I feel like that colonel, you know, talking to these guys, like some of them, I'm like, yeah, you're not a Section 8, you know.
	Anyway, it doesn't matter.
	That's the point. There's the lawyers that are here and they're telling people what they have to say.
	Because a lot of these people are coming, first of all, they're coming through Panama and Panama is very safe.
	This is a very safe country.
	And they come through Colombia, which in some parts are very safe and other parts are very dangerous.
	They'll come through Ecuador. That's where the Chinese land is, Ecuador.
	Ecuador is super safe. Many come through Brazil.
	There's Americans that move down to Brazil.
	There's Americans that move here to Panama all the time.
	They go through Costa Rica, which is a huge tourism spot.
	Then they continue up north.
	There's villages in Guatemala that are We're good to go.
	The World Economic Forum is crystal clear.
	They're going to cause famines, which is coming, and those famines will create that human osmotic pressure.
	The human osmotic pressure is the push and pull of migration.
	They're going to come right here.
	The reason I'm in Panama is Panama is two hourglasses.
	One hourglass is this migration corridor.
	This highway here to my right, that's Highway 1.
	That is the highway that ends down here and goes all the way to Alaska.
	This is the highway. That's the reason the camp is right here.
	It's on Highway 1. So they come out of the Darien Gap, they go to this camp, and then one other camp that I'll be at again today, and then they get on buses and they go up this highway and they come to Texas, right, or Arizona or whatever.
	A lot of them go to California.
	It doesn't matter. They get into the United States, bottom line, and they get into Canada.
	We also have them coming across the northern This isn't just here.
	For instance, a year and a half ago, I was off in Lithuania, warning about Belarus pushing migrants into Lithuania.
	They tried to push them into Poland.
	That didn't work. I was down in Morocco, which is Northern Africa, warning about the same thing.
	I was over in Greece on the Turkey border.
	This weaponization of migration is an old form of warfare.
	It goes back since before any of us were born.
	It's funny.
	I was on one interview a couple of years ago.
	And I talked about pandemic famine war, panic war, pandemic famine war.
	They always go together.
	It's like the triangle of death.
	And one of my readers, she said, you know, you talk about pandemic famine, because she called in, you talk about pandemic famine war as if you made it up.
	And I said, I did. And she goes, no, no, it's in the Bible.
	And I was like... Actually, you're right.
	Sorry about that. It's the Four Horsemen.
	That's probably where I got it from.
	Actually, yesterday I was in one of the camp in Masako Ganaha.
	She's here. She's in the camp right now.
	She saw one man drying his Bible.
	He was from Ecuador, right?
	I think he was from Ecuador. He was drying his Bible in the sun.
	We went and we talked with him.
	He had just come across, obviously, the river.
	Well, I mean, he was in good condition.
	There's no problem with him.
	He was alone and he was literally, he kept turning the pages in the sun to Darius Bible.
	And she asked him what the most, you know, it's funny.
	She asked questions in a woman's way, which is much smarter than the way men ask questions.
	I would have asked him, you know, what's your favorite part of the Bible?
	Masako asked, she's from Japan, she said, what'd she say?
	She said, Yeah.
	Yeah, that's, you know, I need to adopt that.
	And he goes, oh, and he immediately said the passage.
	It was something in Joseph.
	It was, it was, what's the part in Joseph where it's like, you know, you shall be sustained and, you know, basically, you know, keep your spirits up.
	He immediately, like, he knew the passage by heart.
	He said it in Spanish, but he.
	Yeah, and of course he went through all that preparing for the famine.
	Now, I got a question, because we've got these NGOs, and they're running this stuff, and I think that would explain why they're not coming in.
	You know, why wouldn't they come in in Mexico?
	It's a shorter trip, right?
	Why are they going down into South America?
	And that's because they've set up these, you know, their headquarters.
	Why do you think they've set up their headquarters further south?
	Is it because it would be an issue with Mexico?
	Because we could lean on Mexico to the extent if they set it up there.
	Why are they setting up these...
	Headquarters and, you know, shipping the people in with these NGOs further south of Panama?
	Excellent question. Usually people won't think of that.
	It's a very long journey.
	It's a long, dangerous journey if you cut it short, you know.
	But again, the whole thing's being driven by these NGOs.
	What is about that, I think, you know?
	Okay, numerous things actually.
	These logging trucks, man, they're just taking these virgin giant trees out of a jungle, Chinese are.
	But anyway, that's another terrible...
	Anyway, but many of the migrants...
	I'm sorry, go ahead, sir.
	No, I was going to say, yeah, we do need to talk about that, get you on again to talk about what the Chinese are doing there and taking over Panama.
	But yeah, let's go back to the NGOs and why they're set up for themselves.
	Oh, many of the migrants, they can't get a visa, say, to go to Mexico or straight to the United States.
	Many can. And those who can, do.
	But then there's others. They have to go to, like, Haitians will tend to go to, and Cubans will tend to go to Suriname first.
	They'll often go to Suriname because they don't need a visa.
	Many go to Brazil or Chile, right?
	So many of those groups go to Brazil, Chile, or Suriname.
	Many go to Suriname. And then from there, they'll make their way over to Colombia and then go through the Darien Gap.
	Now others, like Chinese, will go to Ecuador first.
	Now many of the Cubans and Haitians have lived in Brazil or Chile for years.
	So they'll throw their ID cards away before they get on the Mexican side of the border.
	I have bags for them. I've given them out to congressmen and senators that have their passports and their IDs from Chile and all this stuff.
	Or their passport will be like from Haiti or from...
	From Cuba or whatever, they'll throw those away, but they'll have IDs that are like from Chile.
	Now, if they come into the United States with that ID and they get caught with it, they may not be allowed in because Chile is a safe country.
	And many of them have worked there for like five, six, seven years, right?
	You'll see the sweet spots about six years now.
	Many of them have worked there for about six years.
	Five, six, seven years, right?
	They have to pretend they're refugees, and so they can't come from a safe country.
	That's right. And so in these camps, this one here beside me, San Vicente, and another one about eight miles away or so called Las Blancas, there's literally a tent there that gives you the legal advice.
	You know, get your Section 8, basically act gay, LGBT, act...
	You have to say that, you know, that you were persecuted in the country that you came from.
	Now, according to the law, you should stop at the first safe country, not work your way up to, you know, Canada or the United States.
	So they're going through multiple safe countries.
	For instance, the Chinese going through Amsterdam first.
	Okay, you're in Netherlands, safe country.
	But then they proceed to Ecuador, Ecuador, another safe country.
	Then they go to Colombia, another safe country.
	They go through here, Panama, and they go to this camp in Las Blancas.
	This is a safe country. They go to Costa Rica, super safe country.
	And then they continue north.
	Guatemala, also a safe country.
	You'll hear some people cross their eyes, right?
	You just said Guatemala is a safe country.
	That's what I said.
	United States, is that a safe country or not?
	If you go to downtown Los Angeles, Skid Row, it's not a safe country.
	If you go to downtown Atlanta, it's not a safe country.
	But there are a lot of safe places in places like Guatemala.
	Mexico is a safe country.
	Obviously, there are drug wars going on in some places.
	It's highly dangerous. But it's not like the entire country is burning down.
	It's just completely untrue.
	There are places in the United States that I don't want to go.
	It's very, very dangerous, right?
	Especially being a white man.
	Now, I could go over to another country and say, well, due to my race, I'm being persecuted in the United States.
	And that is absolutely truthful.
	We know that. We know that Caucasians are now being persecuted in the United States by our government.
	By our own rules, we should be able to go to Europe right now and claim asylum, right?
	We should be able to go to Germany or someplace and say, hey, you know, they're throwing people in jail for being white.
	And that's absolutely the truth, right?
	Or I can't go to certain places in the United States, like downtown Atlanta, because it's dangerous to be there and be white, right?
	It's the truth. But this is a one-way vow to let the world come into the United States to replace Americans with the new population and do exactly what Stalin did, do what Mao did, do what Pol Pot and so many others did in the past.
	Weaponized migration. And like, for instance, now in the Netherlands, not just Netherlands, but let's talk about Netherlands, they're prepping people, mentally preparing people that you're going to have to take migrants into your homes, right?
	They haven't done it yet, but there's been a law in the books in Netherlands since World War II that you may have to take people into your homes, right?
	No problem if it's a war.
	But right now, the Netherlands is being flooded.
	All of Europe is being flooded with people from all over Africa and Asia and the world.
	And now what?
	There's Afghans all over the place.
	I actually get along very well with Afghans, but I don't want 10 million Afghans in the United States.
	You know what I'm saying? Even though I helped some get to the United States.
	But the point is that...
	Let me give you an example.
	In Netherlands, a few years ago, they pushed to pass a lot of protect wolves.
	Wolves, like big bad wolves, right?
	One got killed near my hotel when I was just over there.
	He got hit by a car. Big wolf on the highway, right?
	In Netherlands. Look up in the news.
	Wolf killed on the highway. That was right near my hotel.
	Right? So... Why did they pass this law to protect wolves in Netherlands when there were no wolves in Netherlands?
	And people are like, that's a stupid law.
	Why are the crazy people passing a law to protect wolves?
	And then the law was passed, and now there's wolves everywhere.
	And they're killing sheep, they're killing cattle, they're killing horses.
	And you talk with the farmers, and they're like, the queen is more protected than the wolves.
	I mean, the wolves are more protected than the queen of Netherlands, right?
	I mean, the wolves are highly protected, right?
	And so they're using, and now you'll see in the news, like in German media, there was a German woman almost got eaten about six Two weeks ago or so, when I was there, she said she had turbo on her electric bike, and these three wolves almost got her, but her bike just barely outran them.
	She said they almost got her.
	It's in the news, right? And so...
	Talk about range anxiety.
	Oh, yeah, exactly.
	Like, oh, my God, I'm not watching this thing.
	You know, and let me tell you this one last thing because I'll take your whole day.
	I mean, now that we've got a signal that works, now you can't turn me off.
	Not this. That was great news.
	What they do is they, the Green, or the West, the World Economic Forum, co-sanguinated again with CCP. When the wolves kill the cattle and the sheep and whatnot, you'll see in the news, and like, for instance, in German news, they're blaming the farmers.
	They're like, well, the wolves are, you know, this is their...
	They're traditional hunting spots, and that's why they're killing.
	Well, the wolves have been introduced as part of the plan.
	You know, you look at some of these places where there's wolves in the Netherlands, that was under the sea.
	These are called poulders in Netherlands.
	Poulders with a P. P-O-U-L-D-E-R is a poulder, right?
	Those are those areas that they drain, and you can farm on them.
	So like this one dairy farmer, his farm, he's like, this used to be I forgot, like three meters under the sea or something like that, or two meters, I don't recall.
	But he's like, basically, it was all the sea, right?
	And now they got wolves there.
	And I'm like, he's like, do you think this was, you know, ancestral hunting ground for the wolves?
	Only if they were like sea wolves, the hunting seahorses.
	You know what I'm saying? I mean, it's like, you know, it's like, this is not, but they're protected even on that, you know, they drain the sea and made these incredible farms, and now the wolves are protected there.
	That's what's going on.
	You know, when you tell this story and you said you collect these IDs and you give them to congressmen and, you know, a bag full of these things and you try to tell them what's going on, I guess I know what they're going to say, but, you know, what kind of reception have you gotten?
	Have you gotten anybody that is receptive to this or they say, well, there's nothing we can do about it?
	What do they say? Yeah, Congressman Tom Tiffany came down and sat at this table we're talking at, actually.
	I actually come to think of it.
	I had Tom Tiffany and Burgess Owens.
	He's a Congressman Tom Tiffany from Wisconsin.
	And Burgess Owens from Utah, they literally sat at the table that I've got my device on talking with you.
	And so I took them deep into the jungle.
	I can't believe they actually went.
	And, I mean, that was very courageous of them.
	And now they know.
	So you'll see Tom Tiffany. I don't know why Burgess doesn't talk about it as much.
	Burgess is always talking about other things, but he's very important.
	He does really hard and important work.
	But he doesn't talk about the gap that much.
	Maybe it's something about his base or something.
	He doesn't want to hear about the migration as much.
	But Tom Tiffany, he's constantly out on the border.
	In fact, he wants to be here now.
	He messaged me last night asking for videos of the things that's going on.
	And so, I mean, And there's other congressmen that want to come down, but they're always getting drafted.
	Actually, I just got invited to go on 19th of April.
	RFK's people have been reaching out to me.
	He's going to announce that he's running for president in Boston on April 19th.
	I don't think I'm going to make it. I'm going to be out in the jungle.
	But, you know, he's very anti-death jab.
	I read his book, The Real Anthony Fauci.
	But I've been asking very pointed questions.
	So what is his position on this Great Replacement?
	I know that he sees the bigger picture of what the intelligence communities are doing and how they've worked.
	The best part of his book is the end where he's talking about the germ games and the involvement of the intelligence agencies and how this was a partnership with the globalists in terms of taking this.
	So what is his position, or does he have one yet, in terms of what is going on with immigration and the Great Replacement?
	I just asked him again this morning because I said, listen, I've read the book, The Real Anthony Fauci.
	I fully support him on going after Big Pharma and these death jabs, right?
	I'm with you.
	No problem. But there's a few other things I want to hear about.
	I want to know about what you think about this invasion.
	I want to know about your position on China.
	I want to know about, are you going to get us into ridiculous wars like Ukraine?
	There's one thing I liked about Trump.
	He did not get us into any wars.
	He did stand up on our border.
	He did stand up to China.
	He did stand up on a lot of things like that that are important to me.
	But then he's a jab pusher.
	It's like you can't make up the stuff.
	But... Now, if RFK is not going to stand up for the border, if he's not going to stand up to China, I don't know what his position is.
	I keep asking because they message me every day and I keep saying, get clarification for men on what he's going to do about this invasion and also abortion.
	These other things are important to me.
	If he's not going to stand up against mass murder, he is standing up against a jab.
	I really like it. He's super courageous and the guy is smart.
	RFK is super smart.
	So, I'm not a journalist.
	I always say that all day long.
	People say, you're a journalist.
	I'm not a journalist. Stop saying it.
	I know there's like a thousand newspaper articles that say it.
	New York Times calls me a journalist.
	Weirdly, New York Times wrote one of the most accurate stories about me ever, and they know I'm like their blood enemy.
	But anyway, you can't make up that stuff.
	I'm like, how did you guys make me look so good when you know I hate you?
	You know, it's like, anyway. Well, a real journalist is not somebody that...
	They did call me a journalist. Well, a real journalist is not somebody who's pushing a narrative, right?
	That's what I think it means in your mind.
	But a journalist would be somebody who records what they see and honestly gives that to people.
	So in that regard, I would say that you are what, historically, you say you were a classical journalist before they started becoming Mockingbird propaganda pieces for the CIA. But...
	But I might, like Lara Logan told me yesterday, she goes, I'm not going to throw in with anybody because we privately chat.
	And I get it because she's an actual journalist.
	But with me, I see what's going on.
	And you know how those old soldiers, when I was young and the old soldiers got very political.
	You know what I mean? And often they would say they weren't political when they were younger.
	I was the same way. I was a soldier, and then I spent years in wars as a writer and a researcher, not as a soldier.
	When I was a Green Beret, I didn't go to war, but I did huge amounts of combat after that.
	You become more and more political when you see the clowns that are running these things.
	You know, in all these countries I go to, whether it's Japan or Netherlands or the United States or Thailand, one of the things I found is a lot of the people running the country are perpetually out at drinking and drunk parties.
	You know what I'm saying?
	Like, I don't drink alcohol.
	I don't do drugs.
	I don't smoke.
	I drink coffee maybe a little too much, but, I mean, that's it, right?
	And so it stands out to me when I'm out with politicians all the time that are drinking all the time.
	I'm like, who's making up these decisions?
	I mean, a lot of the things that are going on look like they're done by Hunter Biden.
	I mean, you know, it's just like, or, you know, like Jerome McChrystal over in Afghanistan when he was leading the war over there and leading it to destruction.
	You know, I started calling them drunken monkeys.
	And people are like, whoa, you can't say that.
	You're a journalist. I'm like, I'm not a journalist.
	And he's running a war like a monkey.
	I mean, it's like monkeys in the cockpit.
	I mean, who is running this thing?
	I mean, you could be, you know, a 25-year-old with not much experience, but somebody who's got your head screwed on straight and do a better job at running the war.
	And I'm not exaggerating.
	There are some, you know, high-level thinkers at that age, you know.
	Well, there was others that are running a war against them.
	Go ahead, sir. That's right.
	I was just going to say they were running a war against us.
	When they had us all locked down, you had Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock and these other people laughing about the fact that we're locked down, having their private parties.
	And this is happening in every country.
	You know, we had many cases of that in the United States.
	But, you know, just mocking and laughing what they're doing to us.
	They knew exactly what they were doing.
	And there were a bunch of drunken monkeys and they were at war with us.
	And so, yeah, eventually I think everybody, as you get older, you realize, well, I may not be interested in politics.
	I didn't like, you know, the student council elections.
	I avoided that like the plague.
	But, you know, you have to understand that politics is interested in you and you have to know where the threats are.
	And I think what you've identified is a very amazing threat.
	We've gone over about a half hour over the end of our program here because I really wanted to talk to you.
	And I'd like to get you back on again because I want to talk about prepping and I want to talk about some of the other things that you've seen.
	Panama is very important.
	I have a very good friend who has a house down there.
	He's described many of the same things you were just talking about.
	The massive numbers of people that are going through there.
	I think you said about 1,200 a day.
	So the massive numbers of people that are going through there, but they're being shepherded through by these NGOs through that area.
	It is a...
	It is carefully controlled and constructed.
	This is not some kind of an organic thing.
	This is deliberately planned by The Globalist.
	Great reporting. Thank you so much for joining us, Michael.
	I really do appreciate it. Tell people where they can find this stuff.
	Oh, I'm on Locals.com, Locals, and I'm on Twitter every day, Michael underscore Yon.
	My last name is Yon, Yankee Oscar November, Y-O-N. Not Yon, Yon, Y-O-N. But, you know, we might be able to go on tomorrow, but you can see how the signal's It's kind of hit and miss here.
	But if we have signal, we can come on anytime.
	Well, we'll try to do that, and maybe we'll try to get you on a little bit earlier in the program instead of the last hour, and that way, if it takes you a while to get the signal through for that particular day, we can get you on.
	But we'll set that up. Thank you for having me on.
	There's a lot of other things I'd like to talk to you about, and I know that you're heavily into prepping because Jack Lawson said, you know, get this guy on.
	He's really trying to Encourage people to do their own prepping.
	You know, it's not just like, well, yeah, I'd like to learn how to do stuff.
	No, you're very concerned about what you see happening, and it's very important for people to understand the urgency of learning how to prep.
	That's one of the reasons why I like to tell people about Jack's book, CivilDefenseManual.com.
	That's a great resource that's there.
	So we'll get you back on.
	Thank you so much, Michael Yon, Y-O-N. You can find him on Twitter at Michael underscore Yon.
	Thank you so much, Michael. Appreciate it.
	Thank you. Thanks for having me on.
	Well, thank you. It's worth going overtime.
	Very excited to talk to you, and we'll get you back on again.
	Folks, thank you so much for joining us today, and I hope you enjoy the overtime broadcast.
	That's it for today's broadcast.
	Thank you.
	In a world of deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
	You're listening to The David Knight Show.
	The David Knight Show.
	Welcome back, and joining us now is Dr.
	Mark Sherwood. I said earlier, a gubernatorial candidate.
	That was in Oklahoma in 2022.
	He's not a candidate for office right now, but he has had a tremendous amount of experience in a lot of different areas.
	Born in Oklahoma and he is a former Oklahoma state and regional bodybuilding champion, an ex-professional baseball player, 24-year retired veteran of the Tulsa Police Department where he logged a decade of service on the SWAT team.
	And after looking at healthy ingredients, he and his wife, both of them doctors, launched a response to the food shortage crisis.
	And we've been talking about how they're trying to engineer that as well.
	And came up with a performance food, Kingdom Fuel, shelf stable for two years, covers nutritional requirements and all the rest of the stuff.
	But we also want to talk to him about school shootings because he's got a three-point safety plan about that based on his experience in law enforcement with a SWAT team and things like that.
	And also understanding what the problems are in the schools that have led us to this point.
	So joining us now is Dr. Mark Sherwood.
	Thank you so much for joining us, sir.
	Hey David, thanks for having me.
	I'm honored to be with you today. Thank you.
	Let's talk a little bit about, let's start first with the school stuff.
	We've seen, you know, a lot of reaction here.
	I'm in Tennessee, so we've watched what's happened in the wake of this.
	And of course, it has been now about three weeks or something, and there's a whole bunch of different manifestos from this person who shot the place up.
	We are not allowed to know what was going through their mind.
	Instead, they want to focus on the gun, and that's pretty much the sole exclusion of it.
	So the governor here has nodded towards doing some more gun restrictions on ordinary citizens.
	They also have a program for making all schools more secure, bulletproof glass on the first floor and, you know, securitizing the entrances to them.
	What do you think really needs to be done and what are the true problems?
	Well, I certainly think that it's a people problem.
	It's a heart problem. It's not really a gun problem.
	I mean, look back historically, you know, the first murder occurred with Iraq and the greatest mass murders in the history of our great country have been with fertilizer and airplanes.
	So it's a unique process that we got to think about.
	We can't legislate evil, hatred, murder out of mankind.
	That's impossible. And that's what they're trying to do.
	Having said that, Previous career, you know, I was trained in response to school shootings.
	This is way back when, you know, go back to Columbine, Colorado and the one in Arkansas.
	And they kind of began and it was really inward anger turned outward to homicidal actions.
	And so it started a trend, if you will.
	And we have seen that trend continue.
	Really, when you look at it, putting bulletproof glass up at schools is fine by me.
	I think that's wisdom.
	Why not? Good idea.
	But we've got to do more than that.
	We have security at airports.
	Just as an example, kids don't think twice about seeing that because it's a normal part of life right now.
	I don't like us living in a We're good to go.
	So that they can at least pause for a moment.
	And they will. They'll pause if they get any resistance.
	We don't need to create more soft targets.
	That's right. And that's what they've done for the longest time with the schools.
	But you go back to the Columbine thing.
	And the narrative that came out of that, even in Christian circles, I remember, Well, as you know, look at the bullying that's going on with these people, and that was a part of it.
	But now the bullying has become an excuse for gender manipulation and grooming of kids at a very young age.
	They don't seem to be able to get to the problem.
	And then the other leg of this is I talked to a lady earlier this week as a volunteer organization that collects SSRI stories.
	And these are antidepressants that have tremendous blowback.
	I'm sure you're familiar with it. And so, you know, we started mass medicating.
	We started turning the schools into kind of a police state, fortifying them and everything, which, of course, you know, you need to do to address the imminent problem, but you've got to get to the foundation of it, don't you?
	And this mass medication, I think, is responsible for making it even worse, along with What is actually being taught to the kids in school and how they see themselves, I think.
	Well, the root cause of mental illness needs to be addressed.
	And just understand, and people need to know this, that we...
	I don't believe, you know, that God made us with antidepressant deficiencies.
	And you look at statistics right now and you see that, depending on some databases, one in four Americans are on some sort of antidepressant.
	Not okay. We have over-prescribed...
	Over-diagnosed and over-analyzed this to a point of ad nauseum.
	And it's almost foolishness, David, because when you look at mental illness as a whole, I do believe that some people are unfortunately born with some sort of genetic mutation, chemical production deficiencies.
	That can happen. Yeah.
	But not the norm, because we do genetics, and we do genetics that really center around the mind of the neurotransmitter.
	So when you talk about these SSRIs, these selective serotonin response inhibitors, what they do is serotonin is a neurotransmitter that is produced mainly, and this is important, in the gut.
	So that tells you there's a gut-brain connection here.
	So the more poor our nutrition has became, leading to a lack of available essential amino acids, fatty acids, vitamins and minerals, We inherently have a weakening of both our immune system and our neurological production of these neuron systems.
	And what happens over time is you get these populations of people that are just deficient in the very basic things that are needed to create optimal life functionality.
	And when that happens, you get things like depression that's diagnosed.
	And frankly, you know, and just a broad brush stroke here, When we took God out of school, medicine, and government, and even some churches, we have a problem.
	And what you have left over is a lack of an appreciation for the divine creation that we are.
	And we lose track of that, and then medicine becomes the savior, which it's never intended to be the savior.
	That's right. Yeah, we go back and we look at even things like Alzheimer's, and you talk about the connection to food and nutrition, and of course it has to come through the gut.
	That's a big part of it as well.
	But even something like Alzheimer's, we've had some anecdotal evidence of some miraculous turnarounds in people's condition just by making sure they get the right kind of oils and things like coconut oil and stuff like that that we don't get enough of or we get we've had some anecdotal evidence of some miraculous turnarounds in people's condition just by making sure they get the And so there is a tremendous truth to the fact that a lot of this stuff, as the Greeks said, let food be your medicine.
	They had the wisdom to understand how much nutrition and food help.
	But, of course, that's all been pushed out in the current medical model that is driven by the pharmaceutical industry because they want to give you a pill.
	And if you're at school and you are fidgeting in your seat because you're the problem, so we're going to give you a pill to get you to calm down.
	So now we've got everybody on Ritalin.
	We've got them on Adderall and all the rest of these things because that is advantageous to the school.
	They never did that when I was in school, but it makes it easier for them.
	They don't have to discipline the kids, so just give them a pill and you can kind of zone them out.
	And they don't really care what happens to us.
	We're just there to be managed throughout this whole system.
	And that's the key thing.
	Denying the humanity of people, I think, as you just pointed out.
	So fortifying the schools, taking a look at what they're doing.
	I think it was a three-point plan.
	Did I miss the third point there?
	What else would you do?
	Yeah, I think just to really go one, two, three, you know, we first of all want to set up a heavily surveilled one way in entrance.
	Obviously, you'll have more than one way out that can be activated in emergencies, but one way in heavily surveilled is important.
	Number two, you've got to have a visible deterrent, like visible armed security.
	And that can be somebody standing there in a uniform, but it could be as innocuous as having a police car sitting out there out front, just to give the visual deterrent and to make the person pause.
	Number three, you've got to have training inside the schools and allow the discussion at least and allow perhaps the permission at least for some people to carry firearms inside the premises with a sign out there that says beware Some persons inside this building may be armed.
	And that 1-2-3 approach is going to make even a mental person stop, think, analyze, and pause.
	This is not just about saving the lives of the people inside the building.
	Let's think about this.
	This is talking about saving the lives of the person that is mentally off right now.
	And if you make them pause, man, that can give you...
	That's right. Yeah, one of the stories from SSRI.net that I had covered years ago was a kid who changed the medication in some way.
	I mean, if you just change it a little bit, you up it or you decrease it or it's causing other issues, so you just stop it.
	You get a withdrawal symptom that causes some very strange things, and that's typically what triggers these things.
	But there's a kid who went to school, he had a rifle, and he's pointing it at, he gets into the class, he points to the class, he points it at himself, points to the class, back and forth.
	Finally, they got it away from him.
	Nobody was hurt. He had no recollection of that whatsoever.
	And so we have to do something.
	We have to understand what these causes are, but you're right.
	You know, if, as I've said many times about these shootings, that First of all, besides the time in terms of getting somebody there, we call people who rush into a building that are being shot at, we call them heroes, and we saw that in Tennessee.
	We didn't see it in Uvalde, Texas, of course.
	But if you're going to run in there and risk your life to save other people, that's an action of heroism.
	But if you have a gun and you know how to use it, and there's somebody there that is coming after you, that's self-defense.
	And it's a lot easier to get somebody that can defend themselves than it is to get somebody who's going to be a hero and defend other people besides the fact of the time where they're already on site.
	And they would act, because they're already in the room, I think they would act to defend the other people who are there.
	But the real issue, I think, is what is happening to the kids.
	And we've got to somehow figure out how we're going to stop the schools from being a manufacturing facility for monsters, because that's what's really happening in the schools, isn't it?
	It's super sad, isn't it?
	Because we've all seen the regression of behaviors of children, now adults.
	We saw generation upon generation that now has lost the ability or the responsibility, I might perhaps better say, of self-care.
	I'm self-discipline and self-governance.
	You know, those things right there, you mentioned heroes, you know, our heroes are the founding fathers that gave the very Second Amendment right.
	That's pretty cool to think about that.
	That's right. Because they gave us that right so we could maintain the ability to have free speech and free dialogue and free discussion like we're having today.
	But children these days, they are under attack.
	They really are.
	And we need to understand that it's not just under attack from a physical standpoint.
	Oh no, it's emotional and it's spiritual as well.
	And a lot of that is our fault.
	Because we have allowed excuse-laden behavior to become the paramount reason on why we can't behave.
	And that's not okay. We've lowered the bar of excellence so bad.
	Even across the bar of health, even with the crisis of obesity, the crisis of depression, you know, everybody's medicated, everybody's over fat, and that's not okay.
	The excellence needs to come back, and we need to get more people involved.
	In this area, I mean, you're talking about getting churches, community leaders, schools, you know, police departments, all involved together in the discussion to come up with the best game plan for those areas from a local and state level, and Therein, David, lies the answers.
	That's right. Yeah, if we don't have a target to shoot for, that's why I talk so many times, we have to understand what the problems are.
	But, you know, what I see that has changed about America is that we don't have models of things that we want to aspire to.
	We don't aspire to being an engineer.
	I was just covering a story coming out of the UK. They were talking about in 2019 how they were going to shut down food, shut down travel, shut down construction.
	They said, do we need to train anybody to be an aerospace engineer?
	No, we don't. We don't want to have airplanes.
	So let's not train anybody in that.
	So they're going to take everybody down to the least common denominator and portray things, portray excellence as being racist or something that you don't want.
	They have given us a, you know, they've taken away everything that is good and called it evil and vice versa, and we have to recapture that ability to say we want to aspire to this, even, as you pointed out, the Founding Fathers.
	These are people who were worthy of emulation and praise because they had power and they didn't seek to increase that power or to monopolize that power.
	They did just the opposite.
	They said, here, this is a dangerous thing.
	We want to make sure that nobody is going to come along to hoard all of this stuff.
	And yet, that's not what we have ruling us today.
	We have people who want to have centralized control of everything.
	Monopoly of everything.
	The antithesis of the founding fathers.
	And so it begins with that and it goes to everything else.
	They've turned everything upside down.
	I think we've got to have a great model to look for, don't you?
	And that's really the key thing, that we've got to put that, we've got to recover that and say, these are our heroes, this is where we want to go as a society, upward and so forth.
	And that's what's missing, I think.
	There's no vision. The idea of the Founding Fathers was self-government, wasn't it?
	It's like the people are the governors of the government.
	That's the way it should be.
	We've got it so turned upside down.
	My concern is today that even as we speak, we know there's these problems that we just talked about.
	We know there's some viable, common-sense solutions.
	But even on the conservative side, David, we're still pushing and asking a federal politician to bring us to the rescue.
	And that is a tragic mistake because what we're doing in that is directly, and I say the word directly, intentionally, because we're directly empowering them to do the very thing that we don't need to do, which is give them more power.
	That's right. It's got to get back to the person, you know, I'll use a A line facetiously from the great philosopher of life, Michael Jackson, who talked about, you know, if you want to make a change, you start with the man or woman in the mirror.
	And that's where it's got to change.
	You know, I appreciate, you know, what medicine and government and church, whatever they've got, you know, to offer for us.
	I'm using church in quotes there.
	You get it. I appreciate that.
	But I need to live my life in a way that I don't need them and I'm not dependent upon them for my very existence.
	That's right. And parents got to model that.
	Fathers need to model that.
	Leaders need to model that.
	And it's a selfless way to live as opposed to selfish.
	And the battle going on right now is the battle for the...
	The oldest battle in time is kind of the love of money, fame, power versus the humility of self-sacrifice.
	That's right. Yeah, you know, you're right about that.
	And some of the things that really disturbs me, because we have now both the left and the right, and I'm not talking about just the political parties, but it's the people, the grassroots.
	All of them are looking for the dictator that's going to give them what they want.
	And so that's why it's really polarizing and why everybody is fighting so much over who's going to be president.
	Even when I criticize the policies of any of these individuals, I always get this, well, then who do you want to be president?
	And it's like, you think that the president is going to solve all the problems for you?
	That's the problem. That's the problem right there.
	We've met the enemy and they is us, as Pogo would say.
	Because we want to have a dictator who's going to give us everything that we want.
	Let's talk before we get away from this school stuff again.
	Let's talk about the safety training for teachers as you support, as I support.
	But a lot of teachers don't want this.
	I look at this, and that's one indication of what has happened to these institutions.
	There's been a long march to these institutions by the Marxists and the progressives, and so now most of the people in these institutions, they don't want to have this.
	Talk a little bit about the pushback that you've seen from teachers against this idea that they should even think about protecting themselves or kids.
	Well, there are a few things to consider.
	I mean, Teachers, school workers, you can't really understand or want what you don't understand.
	So perhaps there needs to be some education there.
	But we talk about school, the indoctrination that's happening with our kids.
	Let us not forget the indoctrination that's happening from the teachers within these education areas.
	I mean, we're talking about a push for diversity, equity, inclusion, the DEI principles, you know.
	We're talking about a thought process that they come out of school and, you know, teachers are designed to teach students.
	Young men and women how to become productive adults in this wonderful country.
	That's it. They're not designed to give them a moral code.
	They're designed to give them an excellence bar, like you said, about these knowledge, skills, and ability to be good adults.
	Teachers have been indoctrinated with that, too.
	I go back again to if you have school boards that are controlled by Parents, right?
	Parents do the hiring, etc.
	Parents do the representation of their schools, and the school board needs to get on board with the staff and at least have open dialogue.
	If some of the staff doesn't want to do that, fine.
	Understand it and understand the rules and parameters around the people that do.
	And not everybody's going to agree in America.
	That's the beauty of America, isn't it?
	We can have a discussion like that.
	Not everybody has to carry a gun.
	You can. And we've got to get back to just sort of this common ground of discussion without wanting to literally chop each other's heads off.
	Because I hear you when you make a critical statement, which can be used in one hand to promote good introspective thought and bring correction.
	No, no.
	We dig our heels in and we don't want that anymore.
	That's right.
	And in my life, I kind of like hearing it, but I appreciate it because it's allowed me to look at myself with a critical eye and go, well, you know what?
	Maybe I need to open my eyes in some areas.
	So I think people are capable if you give them an opportunity.
	Yeah, we need to distinguish between people who are just going to be haters, you know, just want to criticize you.
	And as the Bible says, faithful are the wounds of a friend.
	You know, if this is constructive criticism, you need to listen to it.
	I mean, if this is just somebody just, you know, out there trying to tear people down, that's a very different thing.
	And you're right.
	They can't want something that they don't know.
	And we really have lost that gun culture aspect of it.
	And it's one of the things that you start seeing happening as we want to move into the prohibition of cars and private transportation.
	They're gradually pushing people away from it economically in other areas because they know that if this isn't a common thing that's a part of people's life, they won't understand how it's advantageous.
	And they were able to do that with guns, weren't they?
	Yes, they were.
	And the more and more and more we take individual decision-making out of our lives, The more those decisions are going to be transferred to these monarchical, world-dominant, power-hungry people that are not leaders at all.
	They're dictators. It's a tyrannical mindset.
	And anybody can fall into that.
	I can fall into that. You can fall into that.
	We've got to be very cautious of that.
	But at the same time, we must not, as citizens of this great country and this great land, give up our ability to critically think and make critical decisions for our own lives the way we prefer to live them.
	Yeah, I agree.
	Yeah, I've said for the longest time, you know, if we don't have freedom of education...
	We're not going to have free critical thinking.
	We're not going to have freedom of religion.
	We're not going to have any of that kind of stuff.
	And I know that back in the 19th century, I had people like R.L. Dabney who were saying, look, you can't divorce morality and education and worldview.
	You can't divorce that from education.
	That is the foundation of education.
	And when you take that out and you change how people have defined morality and the things that are good and excellent that we want to have, when you change that and you make those things targets of derision and you want to destroy them, that's how we get to the place where we are.
	But that is a particular worldview.
	That is, if you will, a religion that is being taught.
	And so if you don't have the right values, you're certainly not going to get to that worldview You're not going to get to that excellence.
	Let's talk a little bit, though, about the nutritional aspects of this, because I know that you're focused on this.
	Mental health issues that are secondary to nutrition.
	I can see that you are still super fit.
	So tell us a little bit about what you would suggest in terms of changing the way society is oriented, changing our food, because they don't want us to have any meat or dairy, as well as everything else.
	So tell us a little bit how we're going to weather this when we've got people who want us eating bugs.
	Well, I go back and look at President John F. Kennedy before he was assassinated.
	He was big on fitness in schools, and he was talking about physically fit people are better producers within society because they've learned how to master one of the greatest things that we struggle with, which is control of appetite and what we do with our physical bodies and how we speak and how we conduct ourselves.
	When you look at lifestyle, it is no argument standpoint that our health has rapidly declined over the last 50 years.
	It's declined in a coinciding time with the government getting involved in the food supply.
	Remember the food pyramid and all that mess?
	Now fat's bad and cholesterol causes heart disease.
	That is a myth that has been disproven, and to eat all these genetically modified, now altered soy, corn, and wheat products.
	At that point in time, you had this rapid declination of the health of America.
	You had depression go up, medication uses go up, GI function or dysfunction go up, etc., autoimmune conditions, Alzheimer's you mentioned earlier went up, heart disease went up, type 2 diabetes now is out of control.
	One in three children by the time they're 40 are predicted to be on medication.
	One in two Americans now are insulin resistant and probably don't know it.
	And the idea behind this is that with this gut-brain axis that we talked about just a moment ago, Because serotonin and dopamine are two key neurotransmitters that we have to have to at least be content, right? To build value.
	And if you don't have those, and just a simple rule of thumb, if serotonin is bottomed out, you don't produce that, you don't have it, you're going to be depressed and low.
	If dopamine is low, you're going to be having a hard time staying focused.
	Again, a la ADHD, ADD.
	When both are low, you have no value.
	You have nothing that gives you hope anymore.
	And you're looking for anything, any action, any deed that can give you that last hurrah.
	And hence you have this inward anger, inward anxiety turned outward into homicidal activity.
	And so the lifestyle piece, David, is critical to getting.
	And we have, my wife and I and our clinic and staff, have pushed hard for family wellness.
	Mm-hmm. I would like to see even physical fitness come back in the schools.
	Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and it's amazing.
	You know, I think back, it's been 50 years since I was in high school.
	But, you know, you go back and you look at pictures of the 1970s, look at people at the beach, look at classmates.
	It's amazing to me to see how obese everyone has become because of this.
	And I know that a lot of this is the nutrition, but, you know, a lot of it is an activity, but it's the combination of all that stuff.
	And it is truly amazing the physical transformation that has happened in the last 50 years.
	It's astounding. And so we know what is happening.
	They're really attacking us mind, body, and spirit, aren't they?
	And it's a calculated thing, I think.
	Whether it's negligence or whether it's calculated, we know what is happening.
	And it's something that we're going to have to do something about it as a society or we're done, aren't we?
	We are. And someone coined the term fifth generation of warfare, and that's exactly what it is.
	It's unique because it attacks the mind through this Propaganda through cell phones, etc.
	Through television, you've got big pharma advertising through our airways.
	You've got big pharma lobbying the government, controlling the politicians to do their bidding.
	You've got the border crisis, the opioid epidemic, the fentanyl epidemic, now attacking kids.
	You've got the economy being transferred to a communist society.
	You've got food that's being outsourced and brought into our country under the label of American-made, but it's not American-made.
	It was just processed here.
	And so you've got all this stuff going on that has attacked us.
	And the long and short of it is, if you get a population distracted by sickness, illness, and dependent upon medication...
	You get them where they can't think anymore.
	And to the point earlier, you get ultimate control of them.
	And we're seeing the lifespan for the last couple of years decline for the first time in decades.
	But, David, what you're seeing to expand is this thing called sickspan within the lifespan.
	It's a time at which we're very sick and beat down and on multiple medications.
	And that is just simply unnecessary.
	For mankind. They need to be shown a different way.
	And I can't make anybody choose eat a salad over a bag of french fries.
	That's not the point because that's controlling.
	But they ought to be told the difference.
	They ought to be given the opportunity to make a bad decision and a good decision.
	And right now, good decisions are held back from us for the sake of profit.
	And you were talking earlier about how they have radically genetically modified things like soy and corn and all the rest of the stuff.
	They're now going to the next stage of this.
	They're now talking about how we can feed you the vaccines.
	We can grow the mRNA inside the stuff.
	We can inject the cattle and the beef and that type of thing.
	You've got a product called Kingdom Fuel.
	And so I'm sure that you're looking at this.
	How are you going to...
	You know, people are scrambling around saying, you know, how are we going to make sure that our food supply is clean in this new attack on it?
	Because it's hard enough to get stuff that is going to be organic, truly organic, and now there's a whole other level of contaminant that they're talking about putting in both meat and vegetables.
	So what do you do? Yeah, we looked at that from a broad variety of angles, and we started working on that formula probably a year and a half to two years ago.
	And sourcing materials was the most challenging thing I'd undertaken in several years, including an election, right?
	So, you know, the materials in this, we have an organic pea protein, which has about 20 grams in the full serve, which is pretty good.
	We have organic greens and red, so the phytonutrients from the greens and red Plants, fruits and vegetables.
	Then we have soluble and insoluble fiber, which helps with satiety or feeling of fullness.
	And then we also have an added spectrum of vitamins and minerals.
	So this is representative of something you could live off of.
	We've had people do this.
	I didn't ask them to, but we've had people do it for a month before, you know, just to see if they could do it.
	And they did. And they improved their health in all sorts of different aspects.
	Lost excess fat.
	Maintained and even gaining muscle tissue.
	The unique thing about this was, we looked at it, we hear people's excuse all the time, well, it's too expensive to eat healthy.
	That's nonsense. The average lunch in America is about between $15 and $18, depending on what you get.
	I'm talking Midwest prices.
	Kingdom Fuel, if you do the full serving of three scoops, is $5 per meal.
	Most, like ladies, typically do two scoops, and that's enough because it's so filling.
	And you can mix things with it if you want to.
	Like, you could mix extra berries or nuts or seeds if you blend them, and avocado, nut butters, etc.
	You can have all kinds of stuff.
	Kids love it. Parents love it.
	It's cheap. It's easy.
	It's a great going-out-the-door type of meal.
	It's great for athletes.
	And we did this with a heart of love.
	I mean, we made it for ourselves and thought, hey, this is good for the world.
	So, do your shelf life.
	Save some money.
	And we've got other stuff coming.
	We've got something called Kingdom Candy, which is okay.
	It's going to be a replacement bar.
	Same kind of concept. And so we're coming up with solutions.
	I get tired of talking about all the problems.
	I want answers. That's right.
	And that's the thing. People who look at this and look at the problems I was talking about earlier, here locally, we've got some people who are saying, I'm really concerned about this because I've got vaccine-injured kids.
	We're not going to go to this next level.
	So what are we going to do to get some clean meat around here?
	So they start putting it together.
	A lot of times we start with things that are going to help us And then we say, well, you know, other people want this as well.
	That's a key part of rebuilding our society from the grassroots up.
	And a key part of that is going to be food because they want to take away the food that we have.
	Very important to be able to do that.
	And, of course, you're talking about price.
	I forget what city it was, but somebody, they had like a Big Mac meal that was like $17.
	It's like, are you kidding me? Yeah, $70 for poison, right?
	Yeah, it's got the nutritional aspect of cardboard, except, as you point out, it's got some really bad stuff in it.
	Yeah, and one thing I want people to understand about the genetic modified soy and these estrogenic products is those soy proteins, when they've been modified now, they hit on an estrogen receptor, meaning that they create more estrogen functionality in men and women.
	So what that does to our males over time, societally speaking, generationally speaking, it more feminizes them.
	And so you take away the male seed, you take away reproduction, you slow the production and population growth, and that gives you less people to have to control.
	So, you know, this is not just...
	A bunch of coincidences, and I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
	I just look at things from a critical eye, and I say, okay, what does that mean, good, bad, or indifferent?
	Look at the third side. Play the Heaven's Advocate game with it, if you will.
	And we have got to begin to learn to grow some seeds in our backyard, learn to find local farmers, support them, because they're out there.
	All you got to do is ask. Spread the word, you know, get kingdom people, have that, use that, and find a way to create our own system, an alternative system, and get away from believing these yo-yos that are trying to be leaders.
	They don't know what they're doing.
	Their agendas are way off.
	Yeah, right. And we've got to create this alternate societal, cultural norm, once again, that's going to give us life.
	Right. I agree. Yeah, especially, you know, from the standpoint of, you know, finding local farmers.
	I mean, the farmers are not getting paid very well in the system, right?
	It doesn't serve them very well.
	The system is getting really wealthy.
	We saw this with all the egg stuff.
	You know, the farmers in both the U.S. and in the U.K. were saying, hey, you know, they're not paying us anymore.
	Your price is going through the roof in the grocery store.
	It's that system that's there.
	So if we cut out the middleman and we go Direct to the farmers and we start growing it ourselves.
	That's going to make a world of difference.
	But it's great talking to you and to see that you've got some real solutions for health as well as for security.
	And thank you so much for what you're doing.
	Hopefully you won't.
	I know I've run for office in the past.
	I know that it's kind of a thankless task.
	And so thank you for taking that on and trying to get out there to people.
	And I hope you don't give up on that either.
	But, yeah, keep pushing on that.
	And we certainly need people who have your background and your wisdom in this, and you've got a very interesting background.
	Thank you so much for joining us.
	Before we go, though, tell people about your website where they can find KingdomFuel.com.
	Well, I very much appreciate you having me, David.
	You've done a great job and an honor to be here.
	People can go to Sherwood.tv and all of our things are there.
	If they want Kingdom Fuel and other programs, they can work with us remotely if they want to.
	And we have a lot of great stories, so people can go there and That's just a central hub of connection.
	Great. So it's kingdom.tv?
	Is that what you said? Sherwood.tv.
	Sherwood.tv is in television.
	Sherwood.tv. Dr.
	Mark Sherwood and his wife, Dr.
	Michelle Sherwood. Thank you so much for joining us, sir.
	Have a good day.
	You're welcome.
	Thanks for having me.
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	And we're going to talk about what has happened to automotive journalism as well as the state of freedom and how it's being attacked in so many different ways, on the road, off the road.
	But thank you for joining us, Eric.
	Always great to talk to you. Oh, thanks for having me on, David.
	I'm busily packing my bags to get ready to move into one of Trump's freedom cities.
	I can't believe people fall for that.
	I mean, it was actually, AJ put that out, Alex Jones put that out to say that, yeah, look, he's fighting the new world order.
	It's like, he's implementing the new world order.
	You've always talked about Agenda 21.
	That's what it is to a T. I mean, it's just amazing to me.
	Yeah, sometimes I just want to take one of my shoes off and hit myself in the head with it until I'm insensible.
	That's right. It's crazy.
	It truly is a satire world that we live in.
	Speaking of satire worlds, let's begin with this progressive insurance commercial.
	I'm sure you're familiar with Flo, their spokesperson.
	And of course, this is a new commercial.
	I'm not going to play it. A new commercial where the camera crew goes to a guy's house and surprises him.
	And gives him something because he's a safe driver, but also especially because he's not driving too much.
	They're all about that, aren't they?
	They sure are. Yep.
	They have been pushing.
	And again, they have actually, the person who sent that to me, says, yeah, my daughter does...
	Does that.
	And still she can't understand why their insurance is so high because she's pretty fast and reckless.
	But they push that, especially for younger kids, especially in the UK where they make it so expensive for the kids to even buy car insurance.
	I've read stories about siblings who go in halves on their car insurance and on the car itself.
	And they have to ration how much they drive because it doesn't just measure how they drive, but how much they drive.
	It's a new tactic that's coming out there with another form, really, of toll, if you stop and think about it.
	Yeah, well, we're not that far behind here.
	Insurance is already exorbitant for teen drivers, and I get to a certain extent why their rates are higher.
	They're new, they're inexperienced.
	Statistically, they tend to be more likely to be involved in an accident.
	But Uh, that is, it does not correlate with the, uh, amounts that they're charging people on the order of two, $3,000 a year, which is just preposterous.
	Yeah. We used to always see that when we were kids, we had higher rates as, you know, when you were young and you were learning how to drive a car and, and it was, it was justified in my case.
	I nearly killed myself several times, but I didn't have an accident.
	But I mean, you know, some pretty crazy stuff.
	And I was in car with, uh, other teenagers and they were driving or I was driving.
	Well, it's a one-two punch.
	On the one hand, you've got the insurance costs.
	And then on the other hand, you've got the cost of the cars themselves.
	And largely due to the Obama-era Cash for Clunker program, there are virtually no affordable, drivable, decent, used cars available anymore for first-time drivers.
	You can't go out and find a decent vehicle for $2,000.
	Maybe you can, but it's extremely difficult.
	So, you know, the entry-level price point, to get something that's viable for a 16-year-old kid...
	You know, you're looking at probably $4,000 or $5,000 or so, and that's quite a hump for most kids that age to get, unless their parents help them along.
	And a lot of people aren't in that position.
	I agree. Yeah, we just had, we needed to get a truck, and then my son needed a car.
	And they found an auction site, and they were able to get great deals on these things.
	They got them like less than half of what the book value was at the auction thing.
	Of course, you know, you're You got to take a certain amount of risk, which you always do when you get a used car.
	And they give you a chance to drive the thing for a couple of hours and check it out.
	And you can bring it back within a couple of hours if you find some kind of a major flaw with it.
	But, you know, we got this truck, Eric, that is...
	They were telling me about it.
	I told them, I said, I don't care. We got to get a truck.
	I don't really care what the thing looks like.
	Just get it cheap, you know? So they said, well, we got it, but it's got this headliner that's...
	It's got a cloth and it's got all kinds of lights in it and all the rest of the stuff.
	It's got a rhinestone steering wheel and a big thing.
	The whole back seat was taken out so they could put speakers in it.
	But it's a truck.
	They only had to bid against people who were online.
	They said anybody who was there at the auction site that actually saw the truck would not buy it.
	The thing is jacked up. That's the other thing, too.
	The guy said to my wife, he said, I want to see you get in that truck.
	That's part of the fun of it. That's part of what gives those first cars character.
	Years and years ago, I bought a 64 Corvair.
	It was drivable, but it needed a bunch of work.
	And in the process of going through it, I pulled the back seat out, and somebody had built a minibar in the back of it back in the hippie days.
	It still had the decanters in it and everything.
	That's funny. That's funny.
	Well, talking about going back to the good old days, you've got an article, The Decline and Fall of Automotive Journalism.
	Yeah. And how it died, and as a matter of fact, you say it died when they were bought up by the drug cartels.
	Kudos to Woody Harrelson.
	Yeah, exactly. He nailed it, didn't he?
	He did. You know, he did a great mitzvah or service, and even more so in that so far he has withstood That's right.
	Yeah, absolutely. It had to be said.
	I'm glad he said it, and I'm glad he's not backing down.
	But, you know, I think about the old automotive journalism.
	I think of David E. Davis.
	I loved his stuff.
	I think it was Car and Driver that he wrote for.
	He had a column Cogito Ergo Zoom.
	I think, therefore, I speed.
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