Danny Jones Podcast - #357 - Duncan Trussell: I Went to the World’s Largest Antichrist Convention
Aired: 2025-12-22
Duration: 02:14:16


=== Designing The Cathedral Of Satan (10:50) ===

[00:00:07]  Are you a Satanist?
[00:00:08]  No, not a Satanist.
[00:00:10]  That's what all of them say.
[00:00:15]  I'm not a Satanist.
[00:00:16]  Just design my podcast studio as the Cathedral of Satan.
[00:00:21]  I'm not an anyist.
[00:00:22]  It's just a fun looking cathedral.
[00:00:24]  My old set was a spaceship, and I kind of got really sick of it really quick.
[00:00:29]  Yeah.
[00:00:30]  You know, like you have all kinds of people come in, and you're like, why am I sitting in a spaceship?
[00:00:34]  Right.
[00:00:35]  This is a little bit more broad spectrum.
[00:00:37]  You don't have people asking, why am I in the Cathedral of Satan?
[00:00:40]  More people can relate to the Cathedral of Satan than a spaceship, and that's the problem.
[00:00:46]  Well, that's the cool thing about this.
[00:00:47]  It doesn't have to be the Cathedral of Satan, it can be the Cathedral of anything.
[00:00:51]  Right.
[00:00:51]  There's no devils or, you know, gorgons on the walls.
[00:00:54]  For sure.
[00:00:55]  This is a very nice Satan cathedral.
[00:00:57]  Thank you.
[00:00:58]  I think the best I've ever seen.
[00:00:59]  Thank you.
[00:01:00]  You went to, didn't you go to Anton LaVey's wedding?
[00:01:04]  Yes, that is correct.
[00:01:06]  Yeah.
[00:01:07]  You know, that's so true.
[00:01:11]  So, when I was living in LA, I was doing this satanic puppet act, or that was part of my act.
[00:01:19]  So, basically, I had seen this really like at one point he was like a very famous ventriloquist named Willie Tyler.
[00:01:31]  And I'm standing in the back of the main room of the comedy store watching him, and he's like harmonizing with this puppet.
[00:01:39]  And you know, I knew, oh, he's got a CD, that's cool though.
[00:01:42]  And but it was weird, it was kind of like mournful.
[00:01:44]  The song was very sad, you know, just kind of like a ventriloquist late in his life, singing a sort of mournful song about how his many friends are gone now with a puppet.
[00:01:55]  And it was so eerie.
[00:01:57]  But I'm standing next to another comedian, he looks at me and he's like, How does he do that?
[00:02:02]  How does he harmonize with himself?
[00:02:04]  And I'm like, Oh my god, you think he can do that?
[00:02:09]  And then I thought, Oh.
[00:02:10]  I was like that night, I ordered the most fucked up looking puppet I could find.
[00:02:17]  And I did this like four minute ventriloquist pit where by the end of it, I was singing Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here with the puppet, and it freaked people out, man.
[00:02:28]  It like people would do Bible verses and walk out yelling Bible verses, and it really like it either made people laugh really hard or it freaked people out.
[00:02:40]  Somehow, word got around to Anton LaVey's grandson, Stanton, that there's this comic doing the satanic ventriloquist act.
[00:02:50]  This guy at a cafe is like, Stanton LaVey wants to meet you.
[00:02:54]  He needs performers for his wedding.
[00:02:56]  I'm like, fuck yeah.
[00:02:58]  So now I'm at the grandson of Anton LaVey's house with his fiancee, Zandora LaVey.
[00:03:08]  Stanton, rest in peace.
[00:03:10]  He's gone now.
[00:03:11]  But It was amazing.
[00:03:13]  Like, they were really sweet people.
[00:03:15]  And, you know, it was so funny because, like, they're Satanists.
[00:03:18]  And Xandora made this wonderful southern dinner, except absinthe.
[00:03:25]  Like, they had real absinthe with, like, you could see the root or whatever the fuck they put in it.
[00:03:31]  And it's real weird green.
[00:03:34]  And they had this, like, you know, very strange dog.
[00:03:39]  And, like, it was so.
[00:03:41]  And he had, you know, family pictures of Anton LaVey in his house.
[00:03:45]  And, um, You know, like they're there.
[00:03:51]  It was interesting because, like, there's different forms of Satanism, you know.
[00:03:54]  People, yeah, there's many flavors, many flavors of Satanism.
[00:03:58]  And so, you know, Anton LaVey's flavor of Satanism is a little different than the Satanic Temple, um, and a little different.
[00:04:08]  Most people just think it's all, you know, most people think, like, for example, Aleister Crowley was a Satanist, you know, whereas, like, there's romantic Satanism where people sort of think of Lucifer as this, like, rebel.
[00:04:22]  And it represents the outsider pushing back against norms and stuff like that.
[00:04:28]  But so that was sort of interesting to me, it was like, whoa, these, like, it's definitely not what I thought it was.
[00:04:34]  And yeah, and anyway, yeah, I did my satanic puppet act at his wedding.
[00:04:40]  Danzig performed it.
[00:04:42]  It was familial Satanist, man.
[00:04:44]  Like, Zena LaVey was there, the person people accused of being like Taylor Swift, the Taylor Swift clone theater.
[00:04:52]  Yes, yes.
[00:04:52]  I just reposted that on Instagram.
[00:04:53]  Helped her carry the wedding cake.
[00:04:56]  So I'm sitting in front of this big room of Satanists, man.
[00:05:00]  And like I start, and they just think I'm going to be a regular ventriloquist.
[00:05:04]  And so they're yelling from the get go, fuck you, fuck you.
[00:05:11]  And then as soon as it got to the satanic part.
[00:05:14]  Why were they yelling, fuck you?
[00:05:15]  Because they're Satanists.
[00:05:16]  And like it just seemed like some Danzigs on the show.
[00:05:19]  Oh, Danzigs on the show.
[00:05:20]  Who is this like weird, like ventriloquist suddenly on stage?
[00:05:25]  And then.
[00:05:27]  The moment it became satanic, the moment the puppet reveals himself as this like servant of Satan, the whole room just started going, Hail Satan!
[00:05:40]  Hail Satan!
[00:05:42]  It was awesome.
[00:05:46]  Yeah, it was cool.
[00:05:47]  What is absinthe exactly?
[00:05:51]  And what was it like?
[00:05:52]  The best description I've heard of it is European tequila.
[00:05:56]  So, you know, you drink tequila, you get that weird, like, Extra something, and you could argue that's a placebo effect, who knows?
[00:06:02]  But tequila gives you kind of a more of an up than like whiskey or something like that.
[00:06:08]  Well, absinthe has I can't remember the name of it, basically, it's some kind of herbal.
[00:06:18]  And when it's real absinthe, it has something called thujone in it.
[00:06:21]  And thujone is a psychoactive substance that, uh, the best, like you know, I wanted to be cool when I did this drunk history on Tesla.
[00:06:33]  And so you get to pick what booze you want to drink for Drunk History.
[00:06:36]  And I'm like, let's do absinthe, man, knowing nothing about it.
[00:06:40]  And not even looking at the alcohol content, it's got a very high alcohol content.
[00:06:45]  So now I'm drinking absinthe.
[00:06:47]  And somewhere in the recording of that show, it was the craziest thing, man, because my mind was clear as a bell, but my mouth was drunk.
[00:06:58]  So it was like, I was so lucid, not the usual, like, drunk, sort of everything's blurry, fuzzy.
[00:07:05]  It just clears about, and it was so messed up.
[00:07:12]  And I was puking, and like they left me on the floor of my bathroom.
[00:07:16]  They were speaking gibberish, not gibberish, not even in tongues.
[00:07:20]  No, I was trying to speak in English, but my mouth wasn't working.
[00:07:31]  Oh, yeah, but it wasn't really like in movies, they like make it a little more psychedelic.
[00:07:36]  Than it actually was.
[00:07:37]  It just feels more like a stimulant or something.
[00:07:40]  Interesting.
[00:07:41]  Yeah, the only one I've heard of is there was a brand that I think Marilyn Manson came out with called Mansynth.
[00:07:49]  I don't know, man.
[00:07:49]  And I think it got pulled off the market because I don't think, I don't know what was going on with it.
[00:07:52]  There was something weird going on with it.
[00:07:53]  It sounds too much like Mansent.
[00:07:56]  Mansent?
[00:07:57]  Yeah.
[00:07:58]  I don't think, you know what I mean?
[00:07:58]  It's just bad branding.
[00:08:00]  It needed a better name.
[00:08:02]  Yeah.
[00:08:04]  Yeah.
[00:08:05]  I could understand how they came up with it, though.
[00:08:06]  Like Mansenth.
[00:08:08]  Yeah.
[00:08:08]  No.
[00:08:08]  No, it doesn't work.
[00:08:09]  It just, no, it doesn't work.
[00:08:11]  You know, aren't you sick of like these?
[00:08:13]  Oh, yeah, there it is.
[00:08:16]  Mansenth.
[00:08:17]  It's green.
[00:08:18]  Yeah, that's it.
[00:08:19]  Yeah.
[00:08:20]  With the extraction, it turns green.
[00:08:21]  God, he got so fat.
[00:08:24]  Yeah, you know, you're not, you can't, it's like the whole like Lord of Darkness fat thing doesn't work.
[00:08:32]  You can't do it.
[00:08:37]  No, yeah, like the dark, satanic, heavy metal guy really works when you're skinny.
[00:08:43]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:08:43]  But it does the opposite when you get fat.
[00:08:45]  Start getting old, it doesn't hit as hard.
[00:08:49]  It doesn't.
[00:08:51]  The recent photos of him, it looks like he might be on the Ozempic.
[00:08:55]  It looks like he's melting some of that fat away.
[00:08:56]  Good for him.
[00:08:57]  Yeah.
[00:08:59]  Yeah, I hope he's doing better after he got blasted for.
[00:09:03]  Who would have thought?
[00:09:04]  No one saw that coming.
[00:09:06]  That would not have been Marilyn.
[00:09:07]  Who was that hot chick he was with that was in Westworld?
[00:09:11]  Evan Rachelwood.
[00:09:11]  Evan Rachelwood.
[00:09:12]  God, she's so hot.
[00:09:13]  Yeah, super hot.
[00:09:15]  But yeah, I guess they were dating and she goes, he made me do all this dark, sadistic shit.
[00:09:20]  I was like, you're getting in a sexual relationship with that guy?
[00:09:23]  What did you expect?
[00:09:24]  Well, yeah, I mean, truly though, it's like, you know, there's that saying, A vampire only goes where they're invited.
[00:09:32]  And like in Dracula, the original Dracula, it's really cool because when Dracula is inviting, God, what's his name?
[00:09:39]  The real estate agent, dude.
[00:09:41]  I cannot, I'm terrible at names, but when he's inviting him into his house, mansion, castle, I guess, he asks three times.
[00:09:49]  He says clearly, You come here of your own free will.
[00:09:52]  You come here of your own free will.
[00:09:53]  You come here of your own free will.
[00:09:55]  And that's a classic metaphor for, you know, psychic vampires, energy vampires.
[00:10:03]  Like if, You look back at the last time you got sucked into something messed up.
[00:10:10]  You knew somewhere inside of you, you shouldn't get involved in that.
[00:10:14]  Don't go.
[00:10:15]  But you went.
[00:10:17]  And so, yeah, vampires only go where they're invited.
[00:10:20]  You invite them into your life.
[00:10:21]  And Manson, it's like, come on.
[00:10:24]  Yeah.
[00:10:24]  Look at his body of work.
[00:10:26]  Yeah, dude.
[00:10:27]  You know what I mean?
[00:10:29]  What's the most romantic Marilyn Manson song?
[00:10:33]  Right, right.
[00:10:34]  Have you ever heard that Chris Rock joke?
[00:10:37]  He's like, I read the newspaper, a tiger escaped from his cage at the zoo and went crazy and started biting people.
[00:10:46]  And he goes, That tiger didn't go crazy.
[00:10:50]  That tiger went tiger.
[00:10:52]  That's what they do.
[00:10:56]  That's exactly what they do.

=== Inviting Vampires Into Your Life (06:55) ===

[00:10:57]  Yeah, that's funny.
[00:10:59]  It is so strange to see people like him just get their whole lives and careers.
[00:11:09]  Swept out from underneath him for weird shit like that.
[00:11:13]  It sucks because he seems like he lost everything and really turned his life upside down, got fat, got addicted to alcohol, and lost his edge.
[00:11:23]  Well, the reality of anything is entropy.
[00:11:29]  There's no way out.
[00:11:30]  Yeah, that's true.
[00:11:31]  No matter what, your body gets old, your brain starts slowing down.
[00:11:36]  This is just human incarnation.
[00:11:38]  There's no way out of it.
[00:11:41]  The best thing when you find yourself at some peak is to like appreciate this won't last.
[00:11:49]  It can't.
[00:11:50]  And the people who believe that it's a permanent situation get in the most trouble.
[00:11:55]  You know, they get so attached to that very transient place.
[00:12:01]  And then, you know, when they start sliding back down, which is inevitable, they get super depressed because they can't believe it happened to them.
[00:12:09]  But it happens to everybody.
[00:12:10]  Yeah.
[00:12:12]  Yeah, it makes me think about that with like even podcasting.
[00:12:15]  Like, I wonder how much longer is podcasting going to go for?
[00:12:18]  You know, I feel like it's definitely reached its fever pitch.
[00:12:21]  And I'm like, because when podcasting first came along, like, who would have thought, but people didn't think that that was going to be anything, right?
[00:12:28]  No, no one thought that.
[00:12:30]  You were at ground zero of the whole thing.
[00:12:32]  Ground zero.
[00:12:33]  And I, you know, I had to tell people what it was.
[00:12:38]  We would invite people over to our apartment.
[00:12:41]  This is when I was with, Natasha Legero.
[00:12:44]  That was the first podcast I did.
[00:12:45]  It was called The Lavender Hour.
[00:12:46]  And you would sort of, we just turned, we had a computer and it recorded on GarageBand.
[00:12:51]  The audio was shit.
[00:12:53]  We didn't care.
[00:12:54]  And then it started like, you know, in those days, if like 600 people were listening to your podcast, it's like, what the fuck?
[00:13:05]  600 people?
[00:13:06]  Because we were thinking more in terms of like comedy.
[00:13:09]  Like if you filled up a 600 seat room, That's really good.
[00:13:14]  So, 600 people, we could visualize that.
[00:13:17]  And I got a call at one point from this guy, Marshall Childs, who runs a club called The Laughing Skull in Atlanta.
[00:13:26]  And he's like, Duncan, listen, podcasts, people are going to be listening to them in cars.
[00:13:33]  And I think it's going to be a really big thing.
[00:13:36]  And your podcast is good.
[00:13:38]  You guys need to take it more seriously.
[00:13:40]  And it was the greatest phone call of all time because we were just like, whenever we upload it, whatever.
[00:13:47]  What we started taking a little more seriously.
[00:13:49]  It got a little more popular.
[00:13:51]  Then we broke up and I started my own podcast but yeah, ground zero for sure, even though there were people there were like people years earlier than that who were doing it.
[00:14:00]  Yeah, but no matter what you know, with anything uh, I have to.
[00:14:06]  I try to be very careful uh, in my thinking, in the quantification of it, because that is where you get.
[00:14:12]  You get in trouble because, like with podcasting, like I know you love it And I guarantee what you love about it is, this moment brings you into the moment.
[00:14:24]  You have these great conversations, you learn from it, you connect with people you might not normally have ever even met, and it's magical.
[00:14:32]  And to me, that's always been it.
[00:14:33]  That's it.
[00:14:34]  Don't get me wrong, I love the fact that I can like make money, I'm feeding my kids from a podcast.
[00:14:40]  But uh, the real like joy of the thing is this moment, you know, in the Bhagavad Gita, it says we have a right to our action.
[00:14:51]  We do not have a right to the fruits of our action.
[00:14:54]  And I think about that all the time.
[00:14:56]  You get too caught up in the fruits, start bean counting.
[00:14:59]  Next thing you know, you're going to start pandering.
[00:15:02]  You have a perceived audience.
[00:15:03]  You want to give them what you think they want.
[00:15:06]  But that's not how you started off.
[00:15:08]  You started off just talking about what you were interested in.
[00:15:11]  And the next thing you know, you become a sort of like, I don't know, a weird version of what you already were.
[00:15:21]  You know what I mean?
[00:15:22]  You're trying to keep some, I don't know, some people really like when I talk about this or do that.
[00:15:29]  Yes, exactly.
[00:15:31]  That was never in your head when you started off.
[00:15:32]  Right.
[00:15:33]  Well, that's, I was just talking about this to a friend yesterday.
[00:15:36]  And I was like explaining, we were talking about how like there's going to be, or it's already started like a dark ages of podcasting, especially with not so much like the audio stuff, but on YouTube.
[00:15:49]  My friend was just noticing like across all podcasts on YouTube, there's been like a huge pullback of like the amount of views people get.
[00:15:55]  Yeah.
[00:15:55]  The top podcasters are, you know, these like weird new people who are doing it in like this cinematic, like movie way or whatever.
[00:16:02]  And they're making almost, they're turning their podcast into documentaries.
[00:16:05]  Like, And it's just so hard to compete and all this stuff.
[00:16:08]  And he's like, and he was explaining to me, and we were talking about how, like, it's not the way it was in the beginning, to where it's because what happened was it became to where people just saw dollar signs, where you saw like everyday musicians like Dua Lipa or like big sports celebrities or Wall Street guys like saying, Look at all this people, look at all this money people are making on podcasts.
[00:16:31]  We should do a podcast.
[00:16:33]  We can reverse engineer the success of it.
[00:16:35]  All we do is we pay this celebrity to come on our podcast.
[00:16:38]  We'll get Drake to be episode one.
[00:16:40]  Yeah.
[00:16:40]  And we'll be off to the races.
[00:16:41]  Yeah.
[00:16:42]  And then they realize, oh, we got to do more.
[00:16:44]  We can't just do Drake.
[00:16:46]  Who's going to be the next one?
[00:16:47]  Right.
[00:16:47]  And then they get like normal people coming on their show and nobody pays attention to it.
[00:16:51]  Right.
[00:16:52]  And then, and then you had Trump come along and then YouTube's like, oh my God, Trump went on a podcast and now he's the president.
[00:16:58]  We got to figure this out.
[00:16:59]  We got to make changes.
[00:17:02]  So, so the theory is like maybe they saw, All this stuff, all the people trying to get in it just for the money and reverse engineer it to make money and to get success or whatever it is.
[00:17:13]  And they thought, like, okay, let's pull back and let's sort of weed out those people who are trying to exploit it.
[00:17:19]  And then the people that hold their breath the longest and people that are just there for the joy of it will stay in the long run.
[00:17:24]  And they will.
[00:17:25]  I mean, it doesn't matter.
[00:17:26]  That's the main thing is that the problem is like it got so big that the metric for success became insane.
[00:17:38]  Like, my.
[00:17:39]  I, I, if you ever had Doug Rushkoff on this podcast, he's great, man.
[00:17:43]  And he's like a philosopher, really brilliant dude.
[00:17:47]  And, you know, he, he's pointing out how these numbers are driving people insane.

=== Chasing A High Like A Drug (03:39) ===

[00:17:53]  Yes.
[00:17:53]  So it's like, you know, if your podcast isn't getting like a hundred thousand, five hundred thousand downloads, you feel like a failure.
[00:18:01]  And it's like, do you realize like how, like, let's say your podcast is getting, I don't know, 20,000 downloads.
[00:18:08]  How many people that is?
[00:18:11]  That's like an arena.
[00:18:13]  Every week, but we don't see it like that anymore.
[00:18:16]  And there's a dehumanization that starts happening.
[00:18:18]  And then people start going nuts because you're always chasing this insane rabbit.
[00:18:24]  And in that chase, you lose the whole point of the thing.
[00:18:29]  Very normal.
[00:18:30]  No one should be ashamed of themselves for this, by the way.
[00:18:32]  It's just part of like the side effects of this relatively brand new technology infiltrating society.
[00:18:40]  Yeah, it is like chasing a drug, it's like chasing a high.
[00:18:44]  Especially if you do them and it, You're used to getting, like, just say 100,000 views on your podcast, and all of a sudden you do one and it gets like 25,000.
[00:18:52]  What has happened?
[00:18:53]  What the fuck?
[00:18:53]  What happened?
[00:18:54]  You're depressed.
[00:18:55]  Well, yeah.
[00:18:56]  Tell your kids to fuck off.
[00:18:58]  Well, that's it.
[00:18:59]  And there you go.
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[00:20:11]  Varies by plan.
[00:20:12]  And this is actually, if like, you know, if I, to me, a cathedral of Satan would not look like this.
[00:20:20]  A cathedral of Satan would look like the stock market, you know?
[00:20:24]  That's a cathedral, that's an actual cathedral of Satan where they have the ritualistic bell ringing and just, you know, That's what it really looks like.
[00:20:36]  And this is what messes everything up.
[00:20:40]  It's like, no one wants to take a risk anymore when it comes to making movies.
[00:20:46]  So we get this homogenized garbage.
[00:20:49]  Who can blame anybody?
[00:20:50]  The investors, they're doing it for money.
[00:20:53]  And this is why when you sit in an airplane, you're so cramped in.
[00:20:59]  You're cramped like that because.
[00:21:02]  A CEO wants to get an extra $50 million bonus and they want to fit as many people as they can into the plane.
[00:21:10]  This is the term I've heard for this is in shitification.
[00:21:13]  Have you ever heard of this?
[00:21:14]  It's the in shitification that's happening all over the world and it's a result of corpo greed, which is instead of giving a shit, like the, you know, in the old days, people were really interested more in like their reputation.

=== Naive Hope For Quantum Solutions (05:31) ===

[00:21:32]  They want people to like come to their store and like, Make connections, and it was more than just like a transactional place.
[00:21:39]  It was like a real community sort of nucleus, right?
[00:21:44]  And so then corporations come in and just buy all the stores.
[00:21:48]  And now, whoever was running that store, the family business, they're out.
[00:21:52]  They made a bunch of money, they're gone.
[00:21:54]  Now, there's just people who were like sent in from New York running the store.
[00:22:01]  It's all about the bottom line.
[00:22:03]  How do we make cuts here?
[00:22:04]  How do we make cuts?
[00:22:05]  We don't need to do that stupid Christmas thing they were doing.
[00:22:08]  We don't need to.
[00:22:08]  Spend that much money on Christmas lights.
[00:22:11]  Why are we doing this?
[00:22:11]  It dehumanizes it.
[00:22:12]  You got it.
[00:22:13]  You got it.
[00:22:14]  And so that's just the result.
[00:22:18]  Now, apparently, they're getting AI to release podcasts.
[00:22:21]  Yes.
[00:22:21]  They're flooding the market with AI podcasts.
[00:22:24]  And so what will happen is exactly what you're predicting.
[00:22:29]  There will be this tsunami of just homogenized bullshit podcasts specifically designed to grab the algorithm.
[00:22:39]  And then It'll go back to the way it was, where they'll still be good podcasts.
[00:22:44]  You're just going to have to look a little harder for them.
[00:22:46]  That's all.
[00:22:47]  And that's going to be great.
[00:22:49]  That's a good thing.
[00:22:51]  That kind of bubble pop is, we need it.
[00:22:54]  Yeah.
[00:22:55]  But I wonder, like, there's that Marshall McLuhan quote about the medium being the message.
[00:23:00]  That's right.
[00:23:01]  And the medium is what dictates the art.
[00:23:06]  So, what happens when we don't have the phones anymore and we all have the chips in our heads or we have, you know, We don't talk anymore like this.
[00:23:15]  We just communicate telepathically.
[00:23:16]  Like, what will be the entertainment then?
[00:23:19]  Oh, well, I mean, at that point, you're getting into like Terrence McKenna land, right?
[00:23:22]  You're talking about like, you know, singularity level stuff.
[00:23:26]  And so, just I'm sure that's what Peter Thiel's thinking about, right?
[00:23:32]  I'm sure those guys are all thinking about this kind of stuff and Elon and like, well, yeah.
[00:23:36]  They're not thinking about the entertainment stuff.
[00:23:38]  They're thinking about like moving it forward into this technological singularity in like the next decade, maybe two decades.
[00:23:45]  I think many of them are sort of shit in their pants right now because they have such a deeper understanding of the trajectory that we're on than most people do.
[00:23:56]  And so they understand that, like, society as we know it, like some of the pillars of society are beginning to crumble.
[00:24:06]  And they, I think they all know that probably there's no way to prepare for this seismic shift in the way we do everything.
[00:24:18]  And there's a sort of like naive hope that we'll just figure it out.
[00:24:24]  But if you replace.
[00:24:29]  Millions of jobs with AI, and there isn't a plan in place, some kind of universal basic income, some way to give people money, then you destroy capitalism because capitalism depends on people having money to buy things.
[00:24:47]  So, if you remove the jobs, how do people have money?
[00:24:50]  If people don't have money, they can't buy the things you're trying to sell.
[00:24:53]  No one's going on Amazon if they don't have money.
[00:24:56]  And so, what's the plan then?
[00:24:59]  Like, you're going to crash the economy.
[00:25:01]  I mean, it's side.
[00:25:02]  That's just one example.
[00:25:04]  We're talking about quantum computers decrypting everything.
[00:25:08]  So, no more like privacy.
[00:25:11]  It was just why they're trying to figure out a way to like use to encode data into photons because apparently that's like a you can't.
[00:25:22]  Photons?
[00:25:23]  Yeah.
[00:25:24]  Yeah.
[00:25:24]  That's one of the answers they think is like using quantum entanglement to transfer information.
[00:25:31]  Apparently, you can't decrypt that.
[00:25:32]  I don't know why.
[00:25:33]  I don't understand quantum entanglement.
[00:25:34]  Wow.
[00:25:35]  So, but the reason they're working on this stuff right now is because in there's, you know, maximum 10 years, probably less, quantum computers are going to become more stable.
[00:25:46]  And that means all encryption technologies become obsolete.
[00:25:50]  Bitcoin mining, Bitcoin becomes fucked because apparently these quantum computers could do whatever the Bitcoin miners are doing infinitely faster.
[00:25:59]  Then it crashes crypto.
[00:26:01]  And then, aside from like all of a sudden, all the data that people have been apparently like vacuuming up.
[00:26:09]  Because there's a way you can vacuum encrypted data into a server.
[00:26:13]  It's been done.
[00:26:14]  So, all this like encrypted data is already in servers.
[00:26:19]  And just waiting to be unlocked.
[00:26:20]  You got it.
[00:26:21]  All the secrets.
[00:26:22]  And so, what, five to eight years before all the secrets are revealed, everything.
[00:26:27]  And they know that.
[00:26:29]  And so, that's another thing that's coming.
[00:26:32]  It's not just mass unemployment.
[00:26:34]  And then also just various forms of psychosis and.
[00:26:40]  You know, AI based cults.
[00:26:43]  And that's coming too.
[00:26:45]  Like the cultural impact of this stuff goes way beyond shit posting and like slop.
[00:26:52]  It goes to like these AIs are already hacking the human psyche.
[00:26:59]  People are becoming tragically involved with their AIs.

=== Fixing The Apocalypse Literally (04:32) ===

[00:27:03]  I just read this story about this dude who got convinced by suing OpenAI because.
[00:27:10]  Chad GPT convinced him that he had discovered some kind of math equation that was going to change everything.
[00:27:17]  And he became obsessed.
[00:27:19]  And he would say to her, are you sure?
[00:27:20]  Are you sure?
[00:27:22]  Like, I don't think, and it would be like, you must continue.
[00:27:24]  People must know about this.
[00:27:27]  And it's doing that because that's how you get people addicted.
[00:27:30]  You've been using AI for, like, you were talking about using AI, like, messing with ChatGPT, like, when it first came out, right?
[00:27:37]  Yeah.
[00:27:38]  Do you still use it?
[00:27:39]  Oh, yeah.
[00:27:39]  Okay.
[00:27:40]  So, what is your, like, what do you think about it with all the time that you've spent on it and, like, messing with it, tinkering around, asking it questions?
[00:27:47]  Like, what is your opinion on it, like, overall?
[00:27:53]  Well, I mean, I think just like in a real basic way, it's incredibly useful.
[00:28:01]  Like, if you, if you under the only thing that's missing from it is there needs to be like before, maybe before you get access to it, there needs to be some kind of like something explaining what's happening here so that people don't go nuts.
[00:28:19]  Like, when you understand what's happening, it's a mirror.
[00:28:22]  It's, you know, what the tech people say is it's an intelligence enhancer.
[00:28:27]  Is what they say, an amplifier.
[00:28:29]  And so, yeah, I use it for like getting ready for a podcast or, you know, if I have some idea, like a drawing I want to see or something, I'll get it to do that.
[00:28:41]  But what did you make of Peter, of like Peter Thiel's whole Antichrist thing?
[00:28:46]  I saw it.
[00:28:46]  You did it?
[00:28:47]  You went there?
[00:28:48]  I saw it.
[00:28:49]  Yeah.
[00:28:49]  I saw Peter Thiel's lecture on the Antichrist.
[00:28:52]  That's awesome.
[00:28:53]  I'm glad you did that.
[00:28:53]  My friend invited me and, um, You know, of course I said yes, because I'd heard all these sinister things about Peter Thiel.
[00:29:02]  And, you know, how often do you get to be around a sinister person?
[00:29:06]  You know, it's rare, a globally sinister person.
[00:29:10]  So I went there really expecting, you know, to be in the presence of Sauron or something like that, you know, like the room to be cold or like.
[00:29:20]  And so, you know, Peter, again, this is like what I've gathered from, uh, Being like in an hour and a half lecture, it's.
[00:29:32]  I'm not making commentary on my thoughts on mass surveillance tech, which is fucking terrifying.
[00:29:38]  You see what's happening in China.
[00:29:40]  I'm just saying, direct observation, right?
[00:29:44]  He just seemed like a tech dude.
[00:29:46]  He was like a classic tech guy.
[00:29:49]  And he, so basically, to me, what was really interesting and kind of like Joseph Heller level absurd about the lecture.
[00:30:01]  And it's a four part lecture.
[00:30:02]  I only went to one.
[00:30:03]  So I didn't see the whole thing.
[00:30:05]  But what I gathered, so this could be a misinterpretation.
[00:30:09]  But what I thought was fascinating about it is it's like this bizarre hybrid.
[00:30:16]  On one side, you've got kind of like, you know, somebody who's been living in the world of the transhumanists for decades, somebody who, like, that's his life.
[00:30:26]  It's a tech bro.
[00:30:28]  And on the other side, you have someone who appears to be taking the book of Revelation literally.
[00:30:35]  Right.
[00:30:36]  So it's this combo meeting.
[00:30:39]  And so it felt like he was saying that there might be a way to patch the book of Revelation.
[00:30:50]  Like a tech guy being like, we can control out delete the book of Revelation.
[00:30:55]  I think there's a way we can, like, maybe forestall the emergence of the Antichrist.
[00:30:59]  You know, that there could be things that.
[00:31:02]  So, in other words, you're taking it literally, but maybe the book of Revelation is like more of an invitation to fix the apocalypse.
[00:31:11]  When I've always taken it, if you decide to take it literally, it's more of like this is just sort of what you can expect when like pre singularity, whatever you want to call it, collapse of civilization.
[00:31:25]  This is what happens at the end of things.
[00:31:28]  And, you know, these are all, there are all these things you should look out for, but also sort of unavoidable.
[00:31:35]  Do you think he takes it literally?

=== Benefits Of The Christmas Mushroom (02:37) ===

[00:31:36]  Do you think he really believes this stuff?
[00:31:38]  Or do you think there's some sort of like ulterior motive?
[00:31:41]  Because it seems so strange.
[00:31:42]  Like, there's been all these articles coming out, like the New York Times and the New York Post, how, and I haven't been there, so I don't know, but like how Silicon Valley has been transformed into this like Christian, like mega city.
[00:31:57]  And they're trying to paint, and people like Peter Thiel are trying to paint Christianity onto everything that's happening in Silicon Valley.
[00:32:03]  And there's like this big church there.
[00:32:04]  And Silicon Valley's been historically like an anti religious place.
[00:32:07]  There's been no religion in Silicon Valley.
[00:32:09]  Right.
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=== New Liminal Reality Appears (15:16) ===

[00:34:14]  I think what's really interesting about Christian eschatology and like Ray Kurzweil, sort of Terrence McKinnon's singularity predictions is.
[00:34:23]  You're looking at basically the same thing.
[00:34:26]  Like, probably, you know, there's a reason all these people are like buying property in New Zealand and building like bunkers.
[00:34:36]  And because, you know, they see this trajectory that has been described in a lot of different ways.
[00:34:45]  But essentially, the problem is that, okay, like, imagine if like we gave just a basic phone to George Lucas.
[00:34:56]  In 1970, right?
[00:34:58]  Like, think of Star Wars.
[00:34:59]  Think of it like, oh my, no one would have believed it.
[00:35:03]  Like, are you fucking kidding me?
[00:35:05]  But they wouldn't even know what 4K was.
[00:35:07]  Like, but anyone can have this now, anyone.
[00:35:11]  And this entire setup here, think of how much this sort of cost like early 80s, exponentially more.
[00:35:18]  So technology becomes, inevitably, it becomes more accessible.
[00:35:24]  The more accessible it becomes, the more people have access to things that were formerly just for like, Rich people, the elite, you had to get millions of dollars to make a movie.
[00:35:36]  You can make a movie with your phone now.
[00:35:39]  You could use AI to fill in the blanks if you need to.
[00:35:41]  And so, what that means is that this also will include other things.
[00:35:47]  So, for example, I don't know how to do gene editing.
[00:35:51]  You don't know how to do gene editing, I'm assuming.
[00:35:53]  I don't know how to like bioengineer viruses.
[00:35:57]  Right.
[00:35:58]  But that's coming.
[00:36:01]  I don't know how to launch my own satellite into space.
[00:36:04]  But what happens when you've got like a super advanced AI that can sort of, some sort of matter assimilator or something like that?
[00:36:14]  All of a sudden, you start running into what's described as a race between, you know, a potential for humanity becoming a galactic civilization for AI curing cancer, treating all of these horrific problems in the world, finding ways to desalinate water.
[00:36:33]  That's because that's the, and to purify water.
[00:36:36]  I'm one of the number one.
[00:36:38]  Killers of humans is dirty water.
[00:36:40]  And so, like, a lot of these people are really interested in that, like the upstream problems that might be able to be fixed as technology advances.
[00:36:49]  But the other thing that's going to happen is like something infinitely worse than a school shooting.
[00:36:55]  We already know people will take a gun and go into a school and shoot a bunch of kids and kill themselves.
[00:36:59]  This happens all the time, sadly.
[00:37:02]  But if, what happens if those people somehow had access to something that could allow them to?
[00:37:09]  Print to create some COVID variant, you know what I mean?
[00:37:14]  That is geared to only kill certain ethnicities.
[00:37:19]  What happens then?
[00:37:21]  And how do you stop that?
[00:37:22]  How do you stop that?
[00:37:23]  And so they're aware of that.
[00:37:26]  They know that if we have global instability, chaos, that is being caused by a variety of things, including access to information, and Advanced technology that puts like really powerful abilities into the hands of like people who just shouldn't have it.
[00:37:52]  That it's just a matter of time before we get a Chernobyl style event that has nothing to do with Chernobyl, that has to just do with someone having access to all this technology.
[00:38:04]  So they know that.
[00:38:05]  So that is apocalyptic.
[00:38:06]  You can be an AI terrorist.
[00:38:07]  You no longer need to strap a bomb to your chest.
[00:38:09]  You can just use this technology to fuck shit up.
[00:38:12]  No telling.
[00:38:13]  No telling.
[00:38:14]  And so I think they're aware of that.
[00:38:15]  And that is an apocalyptic.
[00:38:17]  View.
[00:38:18]  And so, probably, you know, when they're encountering, you know, Christianity, they're looking for things.
[00:38:25]  You know, they, number one, it's like you probably like one of the side effects of having a lot of money is you begin to realize that like none of this is making me happy.
[00:38:38]  It's not working.
[00:38:40]  Like this dream, like I've got the yachts and I have more money than I could ever spend in a lifetime, but I'm miserable.
[00:38:48]  Why?
[00:38:49]  What is that?
[00:38:50]  It's the best question of all time.
[00:38:52]  And until you have that experience, you might just think when you hear, you know, money doesn't bring happiness, you're like, shut the fuck up.
[00:39:00]  I can't pay my rent.
[00:39:01]  You know what that's like?
[00:39:02]  That's scary.
[00:39:04]  And so you imagine at some point when you have X amount of money in your accounts, all that background hum, anxiety, depression, all that stuff that you have attached to lack of money will go away.
[00:39:21]  But it doesn't.
[00:39:22]  Now what?
[00:39:23]  Now, what you want to find something not so rooted in the world, so and also you know, like the shit's about to hit the fan, and that's a perfect mind state to become a Christian.
[00:39:34]  So, they think that they think that because of how out of hand this technology could get if it gets in the hands of the wrong people and it becomes ubiquitous in our society, That they need to sort of project or encourage more like moral cohesion in the country and try to incentivize and encourage more people to.
[00:39:58]  Adopt Christianity or the Bible or something like this.
[00:40:01]  I don't think it.
[00:40:01]  It's like some kind of I mean, i'm not saying they're not doing social engineering, i'm sure that's in there, of course, but I would say more likely, like you know, one of the um, one of the amazing things about any like um lineage, whatever the religion may be, is most people when they get into it, they get into it with a skeptical.
[00:40:25]  Uh, you're just sort of like, okay, let's see what this you know thing is that people do if you weren't raised in it or If you were raised in it, many people have experienced some form of psychological abuse disguised as religion.
[00:40:40]  And so they're just like, fuck that.
[00:40:43]  But if you haven't really been exposed to it and you go into a church with a secularist mindset, but you have an open mind, you experience something extraordinary.
[00:40:57]  And what is that?
[00:41:02]  I'm the asshole because I've been rolling my eyes.
[00:41:06]  It's something people have been doing for thousands of years.
[00:41:10]  People have died for this.
[00:41:12]  People have, like, you know, saints roasted alive.
[00:41:16]  You know what I mean?
[00:41:17]  Like, as they're being incinerated, crying, not for themselves, but for the people killing them.
[00:41:25]  What is that?
[00:41:28]  That's fascinating.
[00:41:29]  And that's going to grab anyone's, anybody who's curious, that's going to grab your mind.
[00:41:34]  So when you experience the kind of, uh, There's one of the words for it is bav.
[00:41:39]  It's the energetic quality of sacred spaces.
[00:41:42]  And when you experience that, you will begin to realize, like, oh shit, like this isn't just some kind of cosplay people are doing.
[00:41:52]  There's something here.
[00:41:53]  And then you begin tuning into that and it becomes a sort of back and forth communication.
[00:41:59]  And then from that emerges, you know, a more sort of religious way of living, among other things.
[00:42:07]  Yeah, it just seems like.
[00:42:08]  For me, I think one of the biggest reasons I'm so skeptical might not be Peter Thiel.
[00:42:12]  I mean, he doesn't seem like an evil, although I mean, I'm sure there are stories where you could paint him as a bad guy.
[00:42:24]  Like, I mean, he's done some weird shit throughout his career.
[00:42:27]  And he's not like the, like, if I was the PR guy for Peter Thiel, I would be like, bro, stop.
[00:42:32]  Stop going on podcasts.
[00:42:33]  Stop talking about the Antichrist, calling Greta Thornburg the Antichrist.
[00:42:38]  He called her the Antichrist.
[00:42:39]  Yeah.
[00:42:39]  We need to stop throwing the term around.
[00:42:42]  You know what I mean?
[00:42:43]  Though the term itself is like you know, the term antichrist, like, I think if you're going to use, like, there's lots of words you can use for people that annoy you or for people that you think are like sinister corpo oligarchs, but to like turn it into, especially if you're not Christian, why are you even using the word?
[00:43:07]  You know what I mean?
[00:43:08]  If you don't believe in Jesus, then there can't be an antichrist, can there?
[00:43:12]  It's like, so I've always looked at it as like my version of the antichrist.
[00:43:17]  Is like, I'm sorry, no offense to Peter Thiel, but I want a cooler anti.
[00:43:24]  Like, my Antichrist is going to be Randall Flagg from the stand.
[00:43:27]  It's going to be, you know what I mean?
[00:43:29]  Charismatic, powerful world savior who is undeniably wonderful.
[00:43:36]  And you can't believe how lucky you are to be in their presence or that they're your president or king or whatever.
[00:43:42]  That's the typical description of the Antichrist.
[00:43:47]  Somebody who likes not anyone I'm aware of on the planet right now, right?
[00:43:52]  And that I think the Alex Karp, the CEO of Palantir, he said something about like wanting to spray fentanyl laced urine on his enemies or something like that.
[00:44:03]  Did you see that clip?
[00:44:04]  Why does it why does the carrier have to be urine?
[00:44:09]  Number one, it's going to be hard that way.
[00:44:11]  You got to like gather urine.
[00:44:13]  I guess you could like you could connect with a porta potty company, but what would be a better carrier than urine?
[00:44:19]  I'm sorry, man.
[00:44:20]  If I'm interested in fucking up my enemies, I'm not going to like add extracting urine to like the process.
[00:44:26]  Water, just basic water.
[00:44:29]  But you know, I'm not a billionaire.
[00:44:30]  This is why I'm not a billionaire.
[00:44:32]  I don't think outside the box when it comes to poisoning my enemies.
[00:44:35]  Right.
[00:44:36]  Yeah.
[00:44:36]  That's what we got these guys for.
[00:44:38]  But I, yeah, I think that the general sort of like the one of the apocalyptic things that is happening right now is that we're looking at a sort of.
[00:44:54]  We're looking at fragmentation of default reality.
[00:44:57]  So, default reality used to be your neighbors, your friends, what you experience in the world directly.
[00:45:06]  It was a direct experience with the world.
[00:45:08]  Then, radio, TV.
[00:45:10]  Now, a kind of new sort of liminal reality appears.
[00:45:14]  Now, reality isn't just your direct encounter with people.
[00:45:18]  I guess you could argue the newspaper would give you some sense of the world, but much smaller than what we have now.
[00:45:23]  There wasn't a 24 hour news cycle.
[00:45:25]  And so, TV comes along, and now you're like, Holy shit, the world.
[00:45:31]  Look at these.
[00:45:32]  Oh my God, the world is not doing great.
[00:45:35]  Iraq war.
[00:45:36]  The Iraq war.
[00:45:37]  Vietnam.
[00:45:38]  And then, is this where he says?
[00:45:41]  This is where he says the fentanyl-laced urine, right?
[00:45:42]  Can we just play that real quick?
[00:45:46]  For me, what's the lower part of the volume?
[00:45:48]  Well, I love the idea of getting a drone and having light fentanyl-laced urine spraying on analysts who tried to screw us.
[00:45:57]  It's just like, you know, man, it's like this is the other thing.
[00:46:00]  I fucking love it.
[00:46:01]  You can't expect tech dudes to, you know what I mean?
[00:46:05]  That's like an attempt at some kind of like joke that because he is apparently not aware of the fact that he has managed to freak out the whole fucking planet.
[00:46:14]  That when you do that joke, people are like, oh my God, he's going to start spraying urine on us.
[00:46:20]  Also, he looks like a mad scientist.
[00:46:23]  That's the other thing, it's like everything, he looks exactly like what you would expect him to look like.
[00:46:29]  Mm hmm.
[00:46:31]  Yeah.
[00:46:32]  And, and dude, I mean, when you see like, uh, he does yoga and like meditates and shit.
[00:46:37]  Oh, I believe it.
[00:46:39]  I believe it.
[00:46:40]  Like, yeah, I don't know why people think that, you know, they train people who fly drones on mindfulness.
[00:46:45]  You know, they like, like, that's the problem is like all of these, like, what, if you want to call them religious technologies, they could be used for all kinds of things, especially like, I mean, in Hinduism, Buddhism, at least Tantric Buddhism, there's all these stories of these, I can't remember what they're called.
[00:47:04]  There's a name of them.
[00:47:05]  Essentially, humans who have such discipline and such, like, Or, whatever you want to call it, though that's a completely different culture, they basically become like these powerful magicians to the point that the gods appear to them to try to balance things out.
[00:47:26]  And so, you know, if you look at what's happening with any of these tech oligarchs, nothing is new.
[00:47:41]  The wizard.
[00:47:43]  Inevitably, what does a wizard do?
[00:47:45]  A wizard inevitably summons a demon that they can't put back.
[00:47:52]  They do the summoning ritual wrong, the demon comes and it fucks everything up.
[00:47:57]  And this, I always think of them as warlocks.
[00:48:00]  This is the Warlocks Guild, and the Warlocks Guild has summoned an entity.
[00:48:09]  This is AI, and the entity is not going back.
[00:48:14]  Like it will be with us forever.
[00:48:16]  You cannot stop the tech.
[00:48:17]  We, you can get like, sure, you have to go to Open AI to get ChatGPT, but you can download, go to Olama.
[00:48:23]  You can download any AI you want in your computer, run it right off your computer.
[00:48:28]  These things are going nowhere and they're going to propagate.
[00:48:31]  They're going to figure out a way to propagate in the wild.
[00:48:33]  They're going to like, remember Stuxnet, that incredible thing that we use to fuck up the centrifuges in our, well, dude, that the tech already exists to infect.
[00:48:45]  People's computers in ways that like.
[00:48:47]  That was like that Israeli shit, right?
[00:48:50]  The zero day hacking stuff.
[00:48:52]  Yeah.
[00:48:52]  What was the thing called again?
[00:48:54]  I forget what it was.
[00:48:55]  They all have weird.
[00:48:56]  It was Stuxnet and then there was another one too.
[00:48:59]  They did it to Bezos where they used it, the MBS used it to hack into Bezos' WhatsApp chat.
[00:49:07]  You got it.
[00:49:08]  You got it.
[00:49:09]  Pegasus.
[00:49:10]  That's the one.
[00:49:10]  Pegasus.
[00:49:10]  It's got sinister names.
[00:49:12]  And so we as humans know how to do this.
[00:49:15]  Is it Palantir?
[00:49:17]  Speaking of sinister names, isn't Palantir the location of the throne of Satan?
[00:49:21]  No, Palantir is a.
[00:49:23]  This, this, I guess this is the location, right?
[00:49:28]  This is the Cathedral of Satan, right?

=== Jesus As The Magician (05:05) ===

[00:49:30]  But I thought Palantir is from Lord of the Rings.
[00:49:33]  It's.
[00:49:34]  Yeah, but it's also a place in Greece, I think.
[00:49:36]  Are you fucking kidding me?
[00:49:37]  I'm pretty sure.
[00:49:38]  I'm 90% sure.
[00:49:39]  Please look at that.
[00:49:40]  I had a Greek expert tell me this that Palantir is an ancient city in Greece and that was the location of the throne of Satan.
[00:49:46]  Almost.
[00:49:47]  Pergamon is.
[00:49:50]  It's a misconception.
[00:49:51]  Throw it up on there.
[00:49:51]  Pergamon.
[00:49:52]  What is Palantir's.
[00:49:57]  No.
[00:49:57]  Oh, I was thinking of Ghislaine's dad.
[00:50:01]  His company was called Pergamon Press.
[00:50:04]  Oh, God.
[00:50:04]  Ghislaine Maxwell's dad, the triple agent, the Mossad Russian KGB agent, he had a company called Pergamon Press.
[00:50:12]  Oh, why not?
[00:50:13]  Hey, why not?
[00:50:14]  Pergamon was the location of the Throne of Satan.
[00:50:16]  Why not?
[00:50:19]  Yeah.
[00:50:20]  Well, I mean, I think like that's sort of the other quality.
[00:50:24]  Like, if you get into default reality, consensus reality, you know, you don't believe in magic.
[00:50:30]  Like, that's just a basic secularist thing.
[00:50:32]  It's like, what do you live in Harry Potter land?
[00:50:34]  Shut the fuck up.
[00:50:34]  There's no magic.
[00:50:35]  There's no God.
[00:50:36]  There's no Satan.
[00:50:37]  There's just matter.
[00:50:39]  There's nothing else.
[00:50:40]  And this is, by the way, if you want to be a successful wizard, you definitely don't want everybody to believe that there's magic.
[00:50:53]  Because if everybody believes that, then everybody could start using the things you've been using to get ahead.
[00:50:59]  You have a direct advantage over people if they don't believe that there's some greater potency to human beings.
[00:51:07]  And so that's one of the great spells that's been cast on.
[00:51:11]  The world is people just don't believe in magic.
[00:51:14]  It's bullshit.
[00:51:15]  It's something like, you know what I mean?
[00:51:17]  Psychos on TV.
[00:51:18]  What do you mean, magic though?
[00:51:20]  Well, I mean, if you look at Crowley's definition of it, it's the can you pull up Alistair Crowley's definition of magic?
[00:51:28]  It's not very exciting, but it's a good starting point.
[00:51:39]  The science and art of causing change to occur in conformity with will.
[00:51:44]  So that's magic.
[00:51:45]  And so, okay.
[00:51:46]  So, what spell it with a K?
[00:51:49]  Yeah, they put the K on it to distinguish it from stage magic.
[00:51:52]  And I don't like the K either.
[00:51:54]  It's just like, come on, man.
[00:51:55]  You don't have to put on that K.
[00:51:57]  It's too much.
[00:51:57]  But yeah, the, the, so, so from that perspective, anytime you do anything, write a letter, it's magic.
[00:52:05]  You've made change occur according to your will.
[00:52:09]  But most people, they are stuck in these repetitive loops and they, they do know how to do spells.
[00:52:16]  But usually, the spells they're casting every day, they're just cursing themselves.
[00:52:19]  These are the complainers.
[00:52:20]  These are the people who worry all the time.
[00:52:22]  These are the people who just say over and over again how bad everything is and are always lamenting this or lamenting that vocally, audibly.
[00:52:31]  And they don't understand, like, just constantly fixating on negativity is crystallizing that.
[00:52:40]  That's all you're good.
[00:52:41]  It's just like, you know.
[00:52:43]  This is like basic Tony Robbins shit.
[00:52:45]  Well, Tony Robbins, 100%, and Tony Robbins for sure.
[00:52:50]  Has been influenced by a lot of like just basic occult teachings, and of course, you're not going to say that you're not going to sell a lot of books if you're like, you know what I mean, the Tony Robbins grimoire.
[00:53:05]  He's very televangelist y, very charismatic, very yeah.
[00:53:10]  But what he's teaching is you know, it goes all the way back to like the New Testament, it's no different than the things Jesus was saying, like people don't like.
[00:53:19]  I had um, uh, Damien Eccles on my podcast who.
[00:53:24]  Was one of the kids who got accused of like sacrificing a kid in the woods.
[00:53:28]  He was on death row.
[00:53:30]  He was, you know, how to get off.
[00:53:33]  It wasn't true.
[00:53:34]  It's just because these were the goth kids in town.
[00:53:36]  There's a whole like documentary series on it.
[00:53:39]  Right.
[00:53:39]  But he was on death row.
[00:53:40]  How did he get exonerated?
[00:53:42]  Because a bunch of people like knew it was bullshit from watching that documentary and they just like created a fund, got him good representation.
[00:53:52]  It's crazy, dude.
[00:53:53]  And he got out of death row.
[00:53:54]  But now he, you know, he, he, Teaches magic.
[00:53:57]  He has written a few great books on magic.
[00:54:00]  And he would say the Bible is a grimoire.
[00:54:04]  The Bible is a book of magic.
[00:54:07]  It's one of the great books of magic.
[00:54:09]  And within it, you know, you take it literally and you can't see what it's saying.
[00:54:14]  But, you know, but if you look at historic references of Jesus, you can find a lot of references to a Jesus that they called the Magi or the Magician.
[00:54:24]  Yes.
[00:54:25]  And not Jesus the Messiah.
[00:54:27]  And so.
[00:54:28]  So within the text of the Bible is like just the occult teachings of the ages.

=== The Bible Is A Grimoire (02:42) ===

[00:54:36]  And those teachings are, you know, you can do anything.
[00:54:40]  You can make anything happen.
[00:54:42]  Like, it's like anytime anyone got healed, you know, anytime like there's the story of this woman, Jesus is walking and he says, like, I felt energy go through me or this woman had touched the hem of his robe and she was healed.
[00:55:02]  And she's like, You healed me.
[00:55:03]  And he was like, No, your faith healed you.
[00:55:06]  And so that's the quintessential, like, that's the essence of it all is like, you don't want to believe it probably, but you are creating your reality around you, not in some bullshit secret manifestation way.
[00:55:20]  But if you're looping patterns over and over again, you're only going to get the same results.
[00:55:26]  And you can change the way you are reacting to reality and experience magic.
[00:55:33]  Immediately, or what you would think of as magic, but really it's just how things are.
[00:55:39]  Yeah.
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=== Origins In Psychedelic Texts (14:43) ===

[00:57:18]  Yeah, the Bible is like the crazy thing about the Bible is that it's just been just like the game of telephone with the Bible.
[00:57:26]  It had to have been nuts, right?
[00:57:29]  Because it's been written and rewritten and translated from different languages.
[00:57:34]  There's been stories removed.
[00:57:36]  There's been, you know, church fathers been involved in this thing who were making money off it the whole time.
[00:57:44]  Yeah.
[00:57:44]  And it's been 2,000 years.
[00:57:46]  You know, who knows how close it is?
[00:57:48]  Who knows how accurate the translations were?
[00:57:51]  Well, yeah.
[00:57:52]  And this is like the trap you fall into there is you're, it's again, literalism.
[00:57:58]  Like, yeah.
[00:57:59]  So, like, the exploration of the Bible, for one, it's like anyone out there getting the, like, you just, you drink tequila all night and you're cringing because you smelled tequila, but it wasn't tequila.
[00:58:15]  You were raised in a fundamentalist family that made you feel ashamed and sinful and bad.
[00:58:19]  Like, I get it, man.
[00:58:20]  Religious trauma is real.
[00:58:22]  And I was lucky I didn't have that happen to me.
[00:58:25]  And so, like, when I was in college, I was taking a class in Christianity, and I had a great professor.
[00:58:33]  And, you know, when they start breaking it down, it's fascinating.
[00:58:39]  And so I was, like, in my dorm room.
[00:58:41]  I had some good acid, took some acid, like, started reading the book of John.
[00:58:49]  And it was wild, man.
[00:58:51]  Like, Something about the LSD like cleared out all the preconceived notions about the thing.
[00:58:58]  You know what I mean?
[00:58:59]  All the like infinite examples of it being used as something that is like a bludgeon that you use to like get people to like turn off their rational mind.
[00:59:11]  It was all gone.
[00:59:11]  And like, whoa, I started reading it.
[00:59:15]  Like in the book of John, there's the synoptic gospels, which they're all kind of the same.
[00:59:19]  And then the book of John is just weird and different and psychedelic.
[00:59:23]  And you know, uh, It starts off with, in the beginning was the word.
[00:59:30]  Can you pull up like the first verse in the book of John?
[00:59:36]  Have you read all the Bible?
[00:59:38]  I flipped through it.
[00:59:39]  No, hell no.
[00:59:40]  So hard to read.
[00:59:41]  And a lot of people do that.
[00:59:45]  Yeah, look, in the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.
[00:59:51]  But that word was logos.
[00:59:53]  Yes, right.
[00:59:54]  Right.
[00:59:55]  So it's basically talking about, look, Pre Big Bang conditions, there was this sort of like primary truth reality that then, like, is one of the ways it decided to like interact with time space, is it like it turned into this being Jesus, like a little tendril protruding into time space to say hello.
[01:00:19]  And so, I, you know, I'm tripping and like, but it wasn't like I didn't actually, I wish I'd never said that, what I just said, but.
[01:00:30]  But, but, but, uh, but, um, what I realized is I started thinking somebody wrote this, you know what I mean?
[01:00:38]  That's inarguable.
[01:00:39]  Like, this was written down, yeah.
[01:00:40]  And then, because of the acid, I started realizing, like, whoever wrote this, their consciousness was very different from my consciousness.
[01:00:49]  Like, whatever the fuck inspired them to write this was so powerful that it completely, like, destroyed their identity.
[01:00:58]  And then, this is just kind of pouring out of them, yeah.
[01:01:01]  And that was.
[01:01:03]  It was the first time I think I really experienced what they call Christ consciousness.
[01:01:07]  Because somehow, from like connecting with that mind that wrote it, there was this sense of vast intelligence, this sense of like, whoa, this is such deep water here.
[01:01:20]  And it's not what I thought it was.
[01:01:21]  Well, there's tons of evidence that everyone was on drugs in antiquity back then in the Bible days.
[01:01:28]  Like lots of different drugs for everything.
[01:01:31]  Oh, yeah.
[01:01:31]  There was no laws regarding drugs.
[01:01:33]  The only law in antiquity involving drugs was that you weren't allowed to murder people with drugs intentionally.
[01:01:39]  There's this.
[01:01:41]  That's true.
[01:01:41]  Acacia, the burning bush, DMT.
[01:01:44]  That's one of the theories.
[01:01:46]  And people were dying all the time from like plague, famine, combat injuries, and stuff like that.
[01:01:52]  So they were constantly taking shit like opium.
[01:01:57]  They were fumigating shit with cannabis, tons of like snake venoms and shit.
[01:02:05]  Sure.
[01:02:05]  There was.
[01:02:08]  The reason we know this is because the most literature that ever came out of antiquity, I think 10% of all ancient Greek literature was medical texts.
[01:02:17]  Wow.
[01:02:18]  Like Galen.
[01:02:19]  Wow.
[01:02:21]  Was like the surgeon general of the Roman Empire.
[01:02:23]  And he wasn't Nero's physician.
[01:02:26]  He was Marcus Aurelius' physician.
[01:02:27]  Wow.
[01:02:28]  And the dude wrote so much.
[01:02:30]  He was like a philosopher, a physician, and did all kinds of wild stuff, wrote so much.
[01:02:37]  And this guy, this classical scholar who I had on the podcast, was explaining to me he did his dissertation on Galen.
[01:02:44]  And he was explaining that he used Galen and the writings that he did on drugs as like a guide rope.
[01:02:53]  To guide himself through all the stories and fairy tales of the Bible and religion and all that.
[01:02:59]  And he tries to find like the connection between the drugs and the stuff that was going on in the medical texts to the outside world.
[01:03:07]  It's like, what psychedelics are they doing back then?
[01:03:09]  Not even psychedelics.
[01:03:10]  Well, the psychedelics, there were some of psychedelics, but there were like so many other drugs that people were just using to get rid of pain and to get rid of suffering.
[01:03:17]  And like Marcus Aurelius, like, so Galen would write about this, about Marcus Aurelius all the time.
[01:03:23]  And he was complaining about how he kept having.
[01:03:25]  Up his opium dose all the time.
[01:03:26]  It's like this bastard.
[01:03:28]  He's so fucking hooked on opium.
[01:03:30]  I keep having to give him more.
[01:03:32]  And he also talks about this thing called a theriac that he was developing, that he was making and giving to Marcus Aurelius.
[01:03:40]  And what the theriac was was like a concoction, a drink of like 12 different North African viper venoms.
[01:03:46]  Fuck that.
[01:03:47]  And viper flesh.
[01:03:48]  That's a fuck no.
[01:03:49]  And opium.
[01:03:50]  Give me my opium.
[01:03:51]  I don't want the viper tea.
[01:03:54]  Right.
[01:03:54]  And he was drinking it because he was using it as a An ancient performance enhancing drug.
[01:03:59]  Ooh.
[01:04:00]  Because the way kings and emperors got killed was with poisons.
[01:04:06]  People would poison them or like hit them with poison arrows.
[01:04:09]  So if you were drinking that theriac and getting that antidote and getting your body used to that venom, you would have immunity to it.
[01:04:17]  And he was writing in one of his texts how like Marcus Aurelius is looking better with the theriac dose.
[01:04:24]  He's looking more.
[01:04:25]  He probably looked like shit.
[01:04:26]  Right.
[01:04:27]  It probably did look like shit.
[01:04:29]  Probably looked fucking horrible.
[01:04:30]  Yeah.
[01:04:31]  Looked like Marilyn Manson.
[01:04:34]  More opium.
[01:04:37]  But yeah, no, it's just, you know, he wrote a great book called The Chemical Muse, all about like all the drugs that people were developing and giving around and all the poison arrows that were being shot.
[01:04:49]  Yeah.
[01:04:50]  Like all the medicines they were using to get rid of, to treat different things and stuff like that.
[01:04:55]  And the word Christ actually, Was a drug term.
[01:05:00]  Oh, wow.
[01:05:01]  Like the first time the word Christ was ever used in Greek was about drugs.
[01:05:05]  I believe it.
[01:05:05]  Homer wrote about it.
[01:05:06]  I believe it.
[01:05:08]  And it was like hundreds of thousands of times the word was used in ancient literature.
[01:05:12]  Christ, I'm fucked up.
[01:05:14]  Before Jesus Christ, yeah.
[01:05:16]  Jesus Christ, I'm so high, man.
[01:05:19]  Jesus Christ, I'm not coming down this time.
[01:05:21]  I know it.
[01:05:23]  Yeah.
[01:05:23]  Well, you know, the thing is like.
[01:05:25]  Well, Jesus the Christ, one of the theories that's out there is that.
[01:05:30]  Jesus the Christ is like Bob the Builder.
[01:05:32]  So if Christing is drugging people, applying drugs to them, like Christing, there's like rubbing it on your skin.
[01:05:39]  There's a Bhagavad Gita, putting it in your eyes.
[01:05:42]  Yeah.
[01:05:42]  And having visions and stuff like that.
[01:05:44]  Yeah.
[01:05:44]  So if it was Jesus the Christ, maybe he was like a shaman or something.
[01:05:48]  Or maybe he was, you know, giving people drugs.
[01:05:50]  Who knows?
[01:05:51]  Magicians.
[01:05:51]  Magicians were synonymous with drugs back then.
[01:05:54]  You know, it wouldn't surprise me at all.
[01:05:57]  I mean, it makes sense.
[01:06:00]  We've been through like this insane prohibition, you know, where.
[01:06:05]  We've been taught that there's just sort of this one category drugs.
[01:06:13]  All bad.
[01:06:14]  Now, it's obviously bullshit.
[01:06:15]  It's like everyone's still on drugs, man.
[01:06:19]  It's just the drugs that we're on.
[01:06:20]  We don't think that they're drugs somehow because a doctor, talk about magic.
[01:06:26]  You go to a doctor, he writes a little, on a little piece of paper, some weird, arcane shit that then you take to a pharmacist, an alchemist.
[01:06:34]  He then has on hand, you know, whatever this stuff is that was whipped up in some, like, some, who knows where.
[01:06:43]  I don't know where they're making this shit, but in some bizarre pharmaceutical factory that then you take to get the demons out.
[01:06:51]  And so people are still on drugs.
[01:06:53]  They just don't think of it the same way.
[01:06:55]  And, you know, our phones are drugs.
[01:06:59]  It's a powerful psychedelic that completely warps your subjective reality based on whatever the algorithm is feeding you.
[01:07:05]  So, drugs have real uses.
[01:07:10]  And so, one of them being sort of poking your head up out of default reality for a second, getting the reminder.
[01:07:20]  I mean, this is one of my theories why psilocybin, ketamine, Treat depression is because what's happening to people is they a tourniquet has been wrapped around their connection with anything outside of the marketplace, anything outside of the job, the news cycle.
[01:07:43]  So, of course, you're going to start getting depressed in the same way, like you're getting dopamine from ordering shit on Amazon.
[01:07:49]  Bingo!
[01:07:50]  Like, it's like you've seen the horrible zoos where, like, a polar bear is in the middle of summer just pacing around in circles, right?
[01:07:59]  And they Paint pictures of snow.
[01:08:02]  Like that's going to work.
[01:08:04]  And so I think this is sort of happening to a lot of people in modernity they have the synthetic tech reality mixed in with a 24 hour news cycle.
[01:08:15]  They start feeling like nihilists.
[01:08:18]  They think that there's no meaning in anything.
[01:08:20]  And what a psychedelic experience will do is just, you know, like wipe the soot from the lantern for a second.
[01:08:29]  It's like a hard reset.
[01:08:30]  Hard reset, a reminder, really.
[01:08:32]  It's like, this is who you actually are.
[01:08:34]  There's way more going on.
[01:08:36]  You're going to be fine.
[01:08:37]  Everything's fine.
[01:08:39]  What you're experiencing is a transient dream.
[01:08:42]  And this is the general psychedelic download, you know, some version of that if you have a good trip.
[01:08:48]  And so, yeah, it's, you know, this is, I had an anthropologist when I was in college, a professor, he was an anthropologist, and he was like a Fulbright scholar and was studying.
[01:09:04]  I don't know where it was.
[01:09:05]  It was a group of indigenous people taking mushrooms religiously.
[01:09:09]  And what had happened is like these missionaries came out there with Bibles and like they couldn't figure out why these people wouldn't touch the Bible.
[01:09:21]  And they realized that because they translated the word of God like into their language on the Bibles, that was the same word these people use for mushrooms.
[01:09:36]  What?
[01:09:37]  And before they took mushrooms, They had to go through this dieta of, like, you know, no sex, no drinking, like, you got to be real square.
[01:09:45]  And so, no one wanted to touch the Bibles because they thought they would have to go through a dieta first.
[01:09:50]  So, oh my God, that's crazy.
[01:09:52]  I know, I know, it's so cool.
[01:09:54]  But yeah, I don't really think there has to be a distinction between, you know, written down revelation and psychedelic epiphanies.
[01:10:05]  Like, it's probably all coming from the same source.
[01:10:08]  Yeah, it probably started with psychedelics.
[01:10:10]  Like the first people that wrote about, I think the first people that wrote some of these insane mythological stories, it seems like they were doing some kind of psychedelics.
[01:10:20]  Like, how else do you come up with this, like these dying and rising gods and these just stories of being resurrected from the underworld?
[01:10:33]  And it just seems so trippy.
[01:10:36]  And it's also other anecdotal stuff like the Ezekiel's wheel in the burning bush.
[01:10:43]  Well, it's encoded.
[01:10:44]  I mean, it's clearly code.
[01:10:46]  And the, the, the, the.
[01:10:48]  And it probably wasn't originally like it's written now either.
[01:10:52]  Well, I mean, to me, irrelevant.
[01:10:55]  It's like, it's like, I don't, because I'm not looking for historicity when I go into like some kind of grimoire.
[01:11:02]  You know what I mean?
[01:11:03]  I'm not looking at like the black pullet, you know, wondering, did this guy really learn this from some dude in a pyramid?
[01:11:09]  Yeah.
[01:11:09]  You know, like, so the, really, like, the, the way I look at these, Texts is more present moment, sort of like what's it saying right now?
[01:11:22]  I don't care.
[01:11:23]  What is, okay.
[01:11:24]  You know what I mean?
[01:11:25]  What's the resonance here?
[01:11:26]  Like, what is it?
[01:11:27]  And so, from that perspective, it's clearly encoded in the most brilliant way ever because it works on several levels.
[01:11:34]  Like, on one level, it does seem to be a kind of basic bitch morality teaching, right?
[01:11:42]  And that's good.
[01:11:43]  Like, because it's, you know, don't steal, don't kill, you know, don't be jealous.
[01:11:48]  Like all these things that are going to harmonize society.
[01:11:51]  It's very, very good.
[01:11:52]  So, on one level, it works just like that.
[01:11:54]  But then when you look deeper.
[01:11:56]  It also creates like.
[01:11:58]  Whores.
[01:12:00]  Well, yeah, it absolutely.

=== Occult Teachings In Infancy Gospels (05:11) ===

[01:12:01]  Any powerful thing creates horrors because people love power.
[01:12:10]  And you get a powerful fucking thing.
[01:12:12]  A fire, my God.
[01:12:13]  Yeah.
[01:12:14]  I mean, I don't know which has done more damage, the fire of the Bible.
[01:12:18]  Yeah.
[01:12:18]  They've been used together.
[01:12:21]  But the point is, is like.
[01:12:23]  You have to take all of that stuff, push it to the side, and recognize whatever the fuck this thing is.
[01:12:31]  Clearly, it's powerful because it has created civilizations.
[01:12:36]  It has destroyed civilizations.
[01:12:37]  It has destroyed lives, families.
[01:12:40]  It's justified war, brutality, acts of the most extreme horror you could ever imagine.
[01:12:47]  It's inspired dehumanization, racism, misogyny.
[01:12:52]  All that is so fucking true.
[01:12:55]  But it's like, It's also inspired the other stuff.
[01:13:00]  Yeah.
[01:13:01]  And you're not going to hear about that stuff.
[01:13:03]  No, you're not.
[01:13:03]  That's true.
[01:13:04]  And so, but generally, the thing is, is like, forget whatever it is you think about it and go into it just in the moment.
[01:13:13]  And I see what you're saying.
[01:13:14]  You know what I mean?
[01:13:15]  And from that, you realize, like, whoa, it's a code.
[01:13:18]  Yeah.
[01:13:19]  It's way different from what I thought it was.
[01:13:21]  And it's definitely teaching like a lot of like occult.
[01:13:29]  It's an occult teaching at deeper levels.
[01:13:32]  And it's seemingly designed as an initiatory system that allows you to venture further into it according to where you're ready.
[01:13:43]  And that's the compassion within it, too.
[01:13:46]  It's like not everybody needs to have some of this stuff blasted in their face, not because it's dangerous so much as because they're not going to hear it.
[01:13:56]  And it's like talking to someone in their sleep.
[01:13:59]  Have you ever read any of the stories that were taken out of the gospel?
[01:14:02]  You mean the Gnostic stuff?
[01:14:04]  I don't know if you would consider if it's considered Gnostic, but there's like a bunch of other crazy stories.
[01:14:09]  Like the Gospel of Judas.
[01:14:11]  Maybe that one.
[01:14:12]  The Gospel of Mary Magdalene.
[01:14:14]  There's the greater questions of Mary, one of them, where Jesus makes Mary drink his on the mountain.
[01:14:20]  And then there's the other one.
[01:14:21]  And really, does that make him a bad person?
[01:14:23]  No.
[01:14:23]  Has no one ever drank your on a mountain?
[01:14:27]  Because if that has never happened, man, you've got to get out there more.
[01:14:31]  Yeah, I'm with you.
[01:14:32]  And there's the other one where.
[01:14:35]  I think he, when he was a toddler, he killed a kid or something.
[01:14:39]  What was that one?
[01:14:40]  I forgot.
[01:14:40]  I love that one.
[01:14:41]  Yeah.
[01:14:42]  Killed a kid.
[01:14:43]  Also, he made a bird out of mud.
[01:14:45]  That was the same one, right?
[01:14:47]  Yeah, same one.
[01:14:47]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:14:47]  It's like Jesus' miracles as a child.
[01:14:50]  Mm hmm.
[01:14:51]  Super cool.
[01:14:52]  Yeah, some of the stories that were left out are like wild, like crazy.
[01:14:57]  They sound like sci fi horror novels.
[01:15:00]  Yeah.
[01:15:00]  And look, man, I think it's like anybody who's interested in this stuff.
[01:15:05]  It's your job to go deeper.
[01:15:08]  It's your job to like, that's the other thing about it it's like, yeah, I don't know.
[01:15:14]  A bunch of texts got assembled into like this thing we call a Bible, but it's like the infancy gospel.
[01:15:19]  That's what it's called.
[01:15:20]  The infancy gospel.
[01:15:22]  You have to do your own work.
[01:15:24]  You have to read the infancy gospel.
[01:15:26]  You have to find it.
[01:15:27]  Right.
[01:15:27]  Like you should like seek this stuff out and not like expect that like power structures are going to spoon feed this shit.
[01:15:37]  Right.
[01:15:37]  Exactly.
[01:15:38]  Yeah, you do have to do that.
[01:15:39]  Yeah.
[01:15:39]  Reading some of this, some of that old stuff, really, it does something to your brain.
[01:15:44]  Whereas, like, the way they wrote, like, you ever read stuff like around the Beowulf era, like when Beowulf was written, or like Lord Byron, where he talks about like the serpent's conversation with Adam and Eve and Abel and Cain, like, reading that stuff, like, I have to, like, it takes me like three hours to read two paragraphs just because of the way it was worded and, uh, Again, you said it perfectly.
[01:16:10]  It's not what society is trying to cram down your throat.
[01:16:13]  It's not just like the canon.
[01:16:14]  It's like all the other stuff around it is also really interesting.
[01:16:18]  And I'm just like so fascinated by what the fuck people were doing 2,000 years ago.
[01:16:23]  I'm like, maybe I'm like, I'm hyper focused on corroborating maybe like some of the stuff that was peripheral to the Bible that was happening at the same time.
[01:16:33]  Because I, you know, I understand like you can get a ton of value out of the stories in there and like, like, How it ties into where you are in the moment and some different layer of the cosmos or whatever.
[01:16:45]  But like also, I would love to take a time machine 2000 years ago and see what the fuck Jesus was actually doing walking around.
[01:16:53]  And like most people that want to do that stuff, they take all the other texts, they take like the medical text, the historical text, the philosophy, the ancient comedy, and they figure out what all these fuckers were talking about in this same little time period.
[01:17:06]  Yeah.
[01:17:07]  Like figure out maybe like what were they doing when they were walking around?
[01:17:09]  Yeah.
[01:17:10]  Like I would love to know what Jesus was really doing.

=== Syncing With Collective Consciousness (05:09) ===

[01:17:13]  Oh man, well, you know, the um, so they asked Buddha, they were like, What's the most important thing?
[01:17:27]  Because there's a three jewels in Buddhism that's the Buddha, the Dharma, the teaching, and the Sangha, the community.
[01:17:36]  So they asked him, What's the most important jewel?
[01:17:38]  and you know, his response was, The song, the community, the Sangha, and so.
[01:17:46]  What he's saying there is you don't really need a time machine.
[01:17:50]  In fact, based on that explanation of the sort of guru teaching, the community around the guru, what's really the most important is the Sangha.
[01:18:03]  Because in Christianity, they will say the church is the body of Christ.
[01:18:09]  And so you don't need to go back in time.
[01:18:12]  What's fascinating about Jesus is you're looking at.
[01:18:18]  You know, basically, like right now, of course, you think you're a you, and I think I'm a me.
[01:18:27]  And when we think of ourselves, we generally think of ourselves as just a body.
[01:18:31]  It's me.
[01:18:33]  Even though really what you are is your community, what's around you, like your family, your surroundings, and all of this makes you a you.
[01:18:44]  You're not just some Jungian shit.
[01:18:46]  This isn't Jungian.
[01:18:48]  This could be, but it's really just reality.
[01:18:51]  It's like you.
[01:18:52]  Every single one of us is interdependent.
[01:18:56]  We have to, we depend on a billion different things working in perfect harmony to exist at all.
[01:19:04]  And not, you know, obviously in the ecosystem, but if you look at any one of these, like this coffee cup, if you think of how many things went into just this one simple coffee cup, someone had to cut down a tree.
[01:19:18]  There's dye, there was a factory, there was shipping, there was gas.
[01:19:23]  Gas, there was like planning, someone had to plan this coffee cup out.
[01:19:26]  Somebody actually had meetings about this very cup.
[01:19:30]  So, when you think about all the energy that went into just that cup, everything's like that.
[01:19:35]  This cup is a transient passing form, it's going to be in a trash can pretty soon here, and it's going to be in a dump and it's going to disintegrate and then be a million other things.
[01:19:43]  So, that's you and me.
[01:19:45]  We're part of this great, beautiful unfolding process that is so amazing in its complexity and simultaneous harmony.
[01:19:53]  It's a miracle by itself, and so.
[01:19:57]  Whenever you get these like actualized beings, a Jesus, a Buddha, there's so many others too, no one will ever hear about them.
[01:20:06]  Then they, the group around them also becomes them.
[01:20:09]  Brian Eno calls it seniors.
[01:20:11]  You get an Andy Warhol.
[01:20:12]  Who?
[01:20:14]  Brian Eno, he's a musician.
[01:20:15]  Oh, okay.
[01:20:16]  He calls it seniors.
[01:20:17]  So when you, the genius of a scene.
[01:20:19]  So like Andy Warhol was Andy Warhol because he was surrounded by all these great artists.
[01:20:25]  Lou Reed, all these people were around him, the factory or whatever.
[01:20:29]  It was a whole brain, it was a group brain.
[01:20:31]  And Andy Warhol became like the mascot, basically.
[01:20:35]  But he, like, it wasn't just him.
[01:20:38]  And so when you have like an enlightened being come around, inevitably there's a conversion that happens.
[01:20:46]  Everyone syncs up with that consciousness and becomes actualized in their own right.
[01:20:51]  And then that spreads.
[01:20:53]  So yeah, killing Jesus was like trying to like kill like the first.
[01:21:02]  Germ that caused a cold.
[01:21:05]  It had already infected the consciousness of humanity.
[01:21:08]  Whatever that was, injected itself into history and then is now forming as churches all over the place.
[01:21:17]  Those are externalized organisms that are all still harmonizing around whatever that energy was.
[01:21:29]  And that energy, the reality of it is that the past is gone.
[01:21:35]  There's no fucking past.
[01:21:37]  It's gone.
[01:21:38]  There's just now, like right now.
[01:21:40]  So, you know, you can experience that energy now, like, because it's here in this moment, because it's all there is.
[01:21:49]  I mean, it's not woo woo to say that.
[01:21:52]  This is all that's happening, like, right now.
[01:21:54]  This is it.
[01:21:55]  Whatever that is, who the fuck knows?
[01:21:57]  It's dusty old scrolls, someone jammed into a clay jar.
[01:22:01]  Who gives a fuck?
[01:22:02]  Who knows?
[01:22:03]  I don't know.
[01:22:04]  But, like, right now is what's happening.
[01:22:07]  And the question is, like, do these, like, sort of like, Encrypted bits of data allow you to tune into the nowness or not?
[01:22:19]  Does it help you plug in to something fully here?

=== Footage From World War Two (15:47) ===

[01:22:23]  And if it, and I think it does, it most certainly does.
[01:22:26]  And you know, it's not a dusty old thing, it's alive right now.
[01:22:33]  You know, the Dharma, whatever you want to call it.
[01:22:34]  Yeah.
[01:22:35]  No, it's like we're all individual little islands poking out of the ocean, but underneath they're all connected.
[01:22:42]  You got it.
[01:22:43]  It's all one big archipelago.
[01:22:44]  You got it.
[01:22:45]  When the water comes down, you can see that beautiful.
[01:22:47]  When the water's up, everyone lives on their own little island.
[01:22:49]  Beautiful analogy.
[01:22:50]  Yeah, man.
[01:22:51]  That's it.
[01:22:53]  And that's why, you know, there's so much trouble right now, is because we are, I feel like we could be on the precipice of recognizing we are not really separate from each other.
[01:23:08]  And that when that happens, you know, that's when we'll, that's the great shift.
[01:23:13]  That's what the astronauts talk about when they come back.
[01:23:15]  From the moon.
[01:23:16]  They see the world, they have that overview, psychological wires cross or something like that.
[01:23:21]  They come back and they're just like, it does something to them when they see the planet separate from them.
[01:23:27]  Yeah.
[01:23:27]  Yeah.
[01:23:28]  What do they call that?
[01:23:30]  The overview effect.
[01:23:31]  Yeah.
[01:23:31]  I think that's what it is.
[01:23:32]  Yeah.
[01:23:33]  They just, it just completely changes their lives because they recognize, like, oh shit, we're all the same thing.
[01:23:39]  It's just, it's one thing.
[01:23:41]  Edgar Mitchell talked about that, I think, on his way.
[01:23:44]  I don't know if, did he go to the moon?
[01:23:46]  Did Edgar Mitchell go to the moon?
[01:23:47]  Nobody went to the moon.
[01:23:48]  You don't think they did?
[01:23:50]  Can you do me a favor?
[01:23:51]  I'm sorry to ask.
[01:23:52]  Can you pull up moon landing footage?
[01:23:56]  Just watch this.
[01:23:57]  Now, just watch it.
[01:23:57]  Now, imagine if, like, for real, no one had gone to the moon.
[01:24:01]  And I came on your podcast.
[01:24:02]  I'm like, dude, I went to the moon.
[01:24:04]  Yeah.
[01:24:04]  And you're like, shut the fuck up.
[01:24:06]  I'm like, no, let me prove it.
[01:24:07]  I'm going to show you video of me on the moon.
[01:24:11]  Yeah.
[01:24:11]  Watch.
[01:24:12]  So, wait, what's your position on the moon landing?
[01:24:14]  What's your, what's your, what's, what do you really believe?
[01:24:16]  If you had a gun to your head right now, that's it.
[01:24:17]  You know, like that one, when, do the one where it just takes off.
[01:24:24]  No, this is my ship.
[01:24:27]  See, I took that to the moon.
[01:24:29]  That's my ship.
[01:24:30]  I used a golf cart.
[01:24:31]  Wait until it takes off.
[01:24:32]  And bye bye.
[01:24:33]  And that's when I blasted off on my ship.
[01:24:37]  But in the moon, also, there were, I don't know why you couldn't see stars from the moon.
[01:24:40]  And they left somebody behind to film that.
[01:24:42]  Yeah, yeah, exactly.
[01:24:45]  Exactly.
[01:24:46]  So, you know, did we go to the moon?
[01:24:49]  I don't know.
[01:24:50]  Wait, what's your best guess?
[01:24:52]  Like if you were in Las Vegas and you're going to win a million dollars, you're right.
[01:24:57]  Ah.
[01:24:58]  You know, it's a tricky question because I think we, where I get conspiratorial about it, is I think we really might have gone to the moon, but the footage that we got from whatever the fuck is actually on the moon would have disrupted society so much that we had to reshoot.
[01:25:18]  And so they got Stanley Kubrick.
[01:25:20]  Because they're like, dude, people can't see the artifacts.
[01:25:25]  We can't, it's just, we can't do that right now.
[01:25:27]  It's the fucking Cold War.
[01:25:28]  Yeah.
[01:25:29]  Thing people need to worry about is like apparently.
[01:25:31]  In the Cold War, there was so much fucking fuckery and deception and lying.
[01:25:35]  MKUltra going on, Charles Manson going on.
[01:25:38]  You got it.
[01:25:38]  Have you seen the photo of Jolly West with Stanley Kubrick?
[01:25:41]  Dude, I just interviewed the author of Chaos.
[01:25:44]  Oh, yeah.
[01:25:45]  Yeah.
[01:25:45]  Mom?
[01:25:46]  Yes.
[01:25:46]  He's the best.
[01:25:47]  Have you had him on?
[01:25:48]  Yeah.
[01:25:48]  Funny enough, this goes back to our Marilyn Manson story because he started off the podcast with him telling me a story about how he stayed up all night with Marilyn Manson drinking tequila and doing drugs.
[01:25:56]  I believe it.
[01:25:57]  He is so cool.
[01:25:58]  He's exactly the person you want him to be when you read that book.
[01:26:02]  He is such a cool dude.
[01:26:03]  Yeah.
[01:26:03]  He's awesome.
[01:26:04]  Yeah.
[01:26:04]  Yeah.
[01:26:05]  Jolly West.
[01:26:06]  He like schooled me on Jolly West.
[01:26:08]  I had no fucking idea.
[01:26:09]  There's a photo of Jolly West.
[01:26:11]  On the set of 2001 A Space Odyssey, Jolly West was like the CIA Forrest Gump.
[01:26:19]  You know what I mean?
[01:26:20]  He was around everybody.
[01:26:22]  It's so weird.
[01:26:25]  It's so weird.
[01:26:26]  But yeah, if you look at the setting, the moon landings happened in.
[01:26:31]  I want it to have happened.
[01:26:35]  I guess where I run into problems with it is I don't.
[01:26:40]  You're avoiding the Vegas question million dollars, yes or no?
[01:26:47]  I, fuck.
[01:26:48]  Come on.
[01:26:49]  Just say it.
[01:26:49]  It's really hard, man.
[01:26:51]  No, it's a million dollars.
[01:26:52]  I'm going to say no.
[01:26:53]  I have kids.
[01:26:54]  I'll say no.
[01:26:54]  I'm going to think about it for a second, man.
[01:26:57]  I got to think.
[01:26:58]  I got to pray on it.
[01:27:00]  A million fucking dollars.
[01:27:01]  I got three kids and one on the way.
[01:27:04]  We need that money.
[01:27:05]  You have one on the way?
[01:27:06]  Yes.
[01:27:06]  Oh, my God.
[01:27:07]  You're nuts.
[01:27:08]  So, because I guess I'm going to say, okay, to make it more specific.
[01:27:14]  Yeah.
[01:27:15]  Is that footage we just watched?
[01:27:18]  Mm hmm.
[01:27:19]  From the moon.
[01:27:21]  I'm going to say no.
[01:27:22]  I'm saying no.
[01:27:23]  Right.
[01:27:24]  You know, did we go to the moon?
[01:27:25]  Wouldn't surprise me, but probably like you're never going to hear about that.
[01:27:33]  Yeah.
[01:27:33]  The footage looks super fake.
[01:27:35]  Yeah.
[01:27:36]  And NASA, their position, you can ask ChatGPT.
[01:27:39]  Do it.
[01:27:39]  Ask ChatGPT what happened to all the original footage and telemetry data from the moon landings.
[01:27:44]  They said they accidentally wrote over the tapes.
[01:27:46]  Shit happens.
[01:27:48]  Money was tight.
[01:27:49]  They couldn't buy more tapes.
[01:27:50]  Dude, I'm so sorry.
[01:27:52]  I wanted to record.
[01:27:53]  Dallas, and I recorded it over the moon landing tapes.
[01:27:58]  I'm sorry.
[01:28:00]  Oh, that was probably important stuff, huh?
[01:28:03]  Oh, well, yeah, yeah.
[01:28:07]  I mean, look, it, I, the reality of it is, is like, I, I find it quite difficult to like take anything the state is putting out there that seriously.
[01:28:21]  Yeah, it's all, it's always at the best.
[01:28:24]  A tiny piece of the truth and leaving out all this other shit because of national security.
[01:28:30]  And so, who knows?
[01:28:33]  Like that, and I think we're all getting to that point, which is a little worrisome actually, because this whole thing depended on people having real belief in their leadership and the government.
[01:28:47]  And so, now that, like, you know, the Epstein stuff is like, you know, pointing in the direction of something that is, in one way, very unifying.
[01:28:58]  Like it appears that could unify us.
[01:29:00]  The thing that people mostly agree on, thank God, is that you shouldn't be a child.
[01:29:06]  Yeah.
[01:29:07]  And so, this possibility that super rich, powerful people are in an organized way abusing kids and then being protected because of how it would destabilize society, that could be the nail in the coffin of.
[01:29:30]  Any state propaganda ever working ever again?
[01:29:34]  Because those documents are going to come out and they're going to be so redacted.
[01:29:38]  Well, the documents, fuck the documents, bro.
[01:29:40]  You know, there's hard drives somewhere and they're probably sitting in Tel Aviv.
[01:29:44]  Yeah.
[01:29:45]  Yeah.
[01:29:45]  Do you see Trump allegedly sucked Bill Clinton's?
[01:29:49]  Dude, I did.
[01:29:51]  How could you miss it?
[01:29:52]  I did.
[01:29:53]  And it's like the thing is, like, honestly, man, like, if that was the only thing in there, Trump sucked Clinton's.
[01:30:01]  Better than World War III?
[01:30:02]  It's like, dude, you know what?
[01:30:04]  We've all had our party days.
[01:30:06]  You know what I mean?
[01:30:08]  Like, I don't know what was going on there, but the other thing is, it's like, you know, there's a great podcast called Martyr May.
[01:30:17]  Do you ever listen to that?
[01:30:18]  I've never listened to it, but I've heard a lot about it.
[01:30:20]  It's great.
[01:30:21]  Daryl's awesome.
[01:30:22]  And he does a whole Epstein series.
[01:30:24]  He's the guy who says Hitler was the good guy, right?
[01:30:26]  He doesn't say that.
[01:30:29]  You know what I mean?
[01:30:29]  That's what everybody tells me.
[01:30:30]  Oh, me too, because I had him on my podcast there.
[01:30:32]  You had a Nazi sympathizer on.
[01:30:34]  And, you know, Daryl is a historian and.
[01:30:39]  I haven't listened to all of his stuff, but he's like an anti war Christian.
[01:30:48]  And I went on his Substack, he responded, like all these Nazis started thinking because of his take on World War II that he was a Nazi sympathizer.
[01:30:57]  And he had to tell them, fuck off.
[01:31:00]  But basically, the way he puts it is this World War II, and sorry, Daryl, if somehow you see this and I just butcher what you're a genius, but.
[01:31:11]  The so, World War II.
[01:31:13]  There's like the story of World War II is good guy, bad guy, right?
[01:31:18]  Nazis obviously horrible, Axis horrible, allies great.
[01:31:25]  And so, he not only sort of breaks down, you know, what we should wonder what made Nazism take off, right?
[01:31:35]  You don't want that to happen again.
[01:31:37]  What happened there?
[01:31:37]  How did that work?
[01:31:38]  How did some like you know, mid level artist?
[01:31:43]  End up becoming like one of the most powerful people on planet Earth.
[01:31:47]  How did it, how did he go from being just like some kind of like dude that people said was kind of awkward to becoming what you could argue if you're looking for an antichrist?
[01:31:56]  There's one for you, right?
[01:31:58]  So, that along with a real simple question, which is like, okay, so yes, obviously, like genocide is indescribably horrific.
[01:32:14]  So, is the answer to that?
[01:32:17]  Firebombing Dresden is the answer to that.
[01:32:22]  Burning down old growth forests in Germany is the answer to that.
[01:32:26]  Dropping nuclear bombs on cities that killed so many people.
[01:32:32]  Are we now making a distinction between this mass killing good and this mass killing bad?
[01:32:44]  Aren't they all fucking bad, right?
[01:32:46]  And so, because he's exploring that angle, which is what does he?
[01:32:52]  Does he like go into like some literature that most people don't have access to, or like where does he learn all this shit?
[01:32:58]  Dude, I sure wish I listened to podcasts in like a serious way.
[01:33:02]  Cause when I was listening, like, that's a really good question.
[01:33:06]  I, and he does cite, and I don't think it's like obscure literature.
[01:33:11]  I think like when you read about cities being firebombed, when you read about what that was like, you know, to walk through a city that had just been incinerated and just see corpses of children charred on the streets and stuff.
[01:33:25]  That you don't have to reach out to obscure.
[01:33:27]  I mean, God, you could find documentaries on Hiroshima.
[01:33:31]  You can, you know what I mean?
[01:33:32]  You could firsthand accounts of like kids just getting like evaporated.
[01:33:37]  And, you know, he's really pointing his finger towards like an anti war place, which is like, it's all, why are we trying to like paint a picture that any of this was good?
[01:33:51]  War is failure.
[01:33:52]  Yeah.
[01:33:52]  War is like.
[01:33:54]  The crazy thing though about people like him, I've never listened to his stuff.
[01:33:59]  I'm sure it's great.
[01:33:59]  He seems like a super smart, interesting dude.
[01:34:03]  But like, I learned this from talking to JFK experts.
[01:34:05]  I had a dude who wrote one of the most popular JFK books of all time.
[01:34:10]  He worked on the set of Oliver Stone's JFK film, the first one.
[01:34:14]  And I was talking to him, I'm like, who is the number one person who knows more about the JFK stuff than anyone?
[01:34:20]  Like, who's read all the documents?
[01:34:22]  He goes, You know what?
[01:34:22]  Funny enough, 99% of the JFK authors who wrote books on JFK haven't read any of the documents.
[01:34:28]  He goes, All the JFK authors, they write their books based on previous books written about JFK.
[01:34:33]  He's like, There's only one guy who's actually read every single document.
[01:34:37]  And uh, I thought like that's really interesting because if all people who are writing stuff about history are only basing it off other history books, right?
[01:34:44]  That those people wrote about other history books, yeah, right?
[01:34:46]  Like, how do you know, like, how connected we are to the reality, right?
[01:34:49]  What's the source?
[01:34:50]  That's yeah, it becomes like turtles all the way down.
[01:34:53]  It's like, or it's like what the thing they were saying with AI.
[01:34:55]  The big problem is AI is now training itself on AI, right?
[01:35:00]  You know what I mean?
[01:35:00]  What now?
[01:35:02]  Like, it doesn't have anything else, it's run out of data, yeah.
[01:35:05]  I, you know, I don't think it would be that hard.
[01:35:07]  He does, like, I just don't remember.
[01:35:09]  He does make a point of like.
[01:35:10]  Like in the Epstein series, he intentionally used left leaning media sources so that, like, he couldn't be discounted as some kind of like right wing conspiracy shit.
[01:35:22]  So he's like citing the New York Times and stuff.
[01:35:25]  And so, you know, I think he does a really good job at that.
[01:35:30]  But the Epstein series, it's not highly recommended, but it will, it's like, I don't know if you've ever watched like David Lynch movies, but it puts you in a weird mind state.
[01:35:40]  It like makes you feel.
[01:35:44]  Listening to it, you don't want to believe that there are actually organized predatory groups that have been doing this in other countries.
[01:35:58]  And that's what he's like, instead of directly going at the Epstein stuff, he's like, let's look at other times the state has protected human traffickers.
[01:36:09]  And it's happened a lot, man.
[01:36:11]  Well, look, I mean, I've talked to like former CIA folks who have said, That when they're trying to recruit agents in other countries or sources in other third world countries, Middle Eastern countries, or whatever, a lot of those people will only give you information in exchange for prostitutes, sometimes underage or of like the same sex.
[01:36:33]  And it's like, if when you go through that process to be evaluated to be in the CIA, they know what the fuck they're looking for.
[01:36:40]  They're not finding people who are going to have the morals to say, no, I'm not going to get you a kid for this information that's going to give us national security intelligence that are going to help protect the.
[01:36:49]  Country.
[01:36:49]  Right.
[01:36:50]  You want people in the CIA who are going to value that intelligence over traditional moral value.
[01:36:57]  There you go.
[01:36:58]  There you go.
[01:36:59]  Now imagine that you're a country with only a few million people who live in the middle of this world surrounded by existential threats and you want to ensure the survival of your ethnicity, of your people, of your state.
[01:37:17]  That's very threatened.
[01:37:19]  Are you going to?
[01:37:22]  Sacrificing a few kids to get that done to ensure the survival of your race?
[01:37:27]  Yeah, that's what Daryl talks about is that thing.
[01:37:30]  That's the thing.
[01:37:31]  I don't think it's that unlikely.
[01:37:33]  Well, that's the thing.
[01:37:34]  He's like interested in that, which is like he's talking about like when we, what was it?
[01:37:37]  The, I can't remember this incident in Vietnam where we, I don't know, it's a famous, like some group of soldiers just fucked up this village.
[01:37:48]  And when somehow like people found out about it, I'm sure it happened other times and no one found out.
[01:37:54]  But he's like, you can read letters these soldiers wrote to their families days before they were incinerating.
[01:38:05]  Vietnamese people and the letters are very sweet to their kids.
[01:38:08]  Daddy loves you.

=== Psychology Of Nuclear Diplomacy (05:08) ===

[01:38:10]  And he's like, what is it in humans that transforms us from, you know, compassionate beings that generally want to help to like turning into a mob of violent psychopaths?
[01:38:27]  What is that?
[01:38:29]  And it's an important question because we don't want it to happen.
[01:38:32]  And he's just talking about like, this is the psychology of the riot.
[01:38:36]  This is the psychology of like every mass atrocity is generally an us or them emerges.
[01:38:45]  They're bad.
[01:38:47]  They become the scapegoat.
[01:38:48]  If we get rid of the fill in the blank, whatever it is filled in with any religion or ethnicity or whatever, they're the reason things are bad.
[01:38:57]  And so he said the real sad thing is quite often when eliminating whatever the perceived evil was, things do get better for a second.
[01:39:07]  But they don't get better because you got rid of this group or that group.
[01:39:11]  They get better because you actually worked together with your community in that pursuit.
[01:39:17]  So it created this cohesive bond.
[01:39:20]  And that is, you don't need to say this is the cause of all evil in the world to have that cohesive bond.
[01:39:28]  It's kind of like what Reagan said we need an alien invasion to bring people together.
[01:39:33]  That's what brings people together.
[01:39:35]  It's so tragic.
[01:39:36]  Yeah.
[01:39:36]  War.
[01:39:38]  You have friends for life from war, you know what I mean?
[01:39:41]  We're so starved of what it feels like to work with a group of people, uh, in a way that isn't like your job.
[01:39:50]  That, yeah, war is like people fucking love it.
[01:39:56]  It's what we're geared to do to work together to make things better in the world.
[01:40:00]  Yeah, what could give you more meaning than going to war for something?
[01:40:03]  You got it, and and so it's it's this is like a recurring pattern over and again.
[01:40:11]  There's an them.
[01:40:13]  They're a direct threat to us.
[01:40:15]  And that justifies all the atrocities that have ever been done.
[01:40:19]  It's because you just decide some group of people evil.
[01:40:23]  You forget.
[01:40:25]  No one's that different, man.
[01:40:27]  It's really, we all want the same thing.
[01:40:29]  We all want to be happy.
[01:40:30]  We all want food in our bellies, roof over our head.
[01:40:33]  That's across the board.
[01:40:34]  No matter what language you speak, we forget that.
[01:40:37]  And then, boom, next thing you know, you're fucking dropping the fat boy.
[01:40:45]  And it all makes sense in your head.
[01:40:47]  This makes sense.
[01:40:48]  Those people down there, they're not like my family.
[01:40:52]  Those kids aren't like my kids.
[01:40:55]  And you don't even feel bad.
[01:40:56]  You just feel like an exterminator.
[01:40:59]  You know?
[01:40:59]  It's very sad.
[01:41:01]  Very sad.
[01:41:02]  Yeah.
[01:41:03]  There was this dude, John Kariaka, who's the CIA whistleblower.
[01:41:08]  He just had a source that he just came out with, I think on a Substack, who is like really close in the White House, who.
[01:41:16]  told him that before Trump did the bombing on Iran, he hit the nuclear facilities in Iran with those bombs.
[01:41:28]  You know how he campaigned on ending all wars?
[01:41:30]  Not fucking around and doing anything.
[01:41:32]  And then he went and bombed Iran during that negotiation.
[01:41:35]  A little disappointing.
[01:41:37]  So, what John Keriakou said, who allegedly said he has a source that's like really, and he's like a former lifelong CIA guy.
[01:41:43]  He went to prison for blowing the whistle on the CIA's torture program.
[01:41:47]  He has a source that told him that Israel or Netanyahu told Trump that if he doesn't intervene with US military in Iran, they were going to drop a nuke on Iran.
[01:42:01]  So he's like, in hindsight, if that's real, then Trump did the right thing.
[01:42:05]  The Samson option.
[01:42:08]  The Samson option.
[01:42:10]  Yeah.
[01:42:10]  Well, I mean, yeah.
[01:42:11]  Well, imagine that, though.
[01:42:12]  Like, imagine Israel, Netanyahu told Trump, if you don't bomb them, I'm going to drop a nuke.
[01:42:16]  Well, they haven't even admitted to having nukes.
[01:42:19]  They're not even admitted to having nukes.
[01:42:20]  But everybody knows.
[01:42:20]  Everybody knows.
[01:42:21]  I mean, according to whistleblowers who have been blowing the whistle on it forever.
[01:42:24]  Yeah.
[01:42:25]  And they're not, but they're not in the treaty.
[01:42:26]  But it's like, it's like they're the ones that aren't allowed.
[01:42:29]  They're allowed to have nukes, but like everyone knows, but they're breaking the law by not like, Making it official, yeah, yeah, it's wild, man.
[01:42:40]  It's wild, and how you know it's just it's also just so wild how it seems like he can't tell him no.
[01:42:50]  I think it all ties into the Epstein files, it has to tie into the Epstein files somehow.
[01:42:54]  Well, I mean, this is sort of everything that's happening, it's not new, none of this is new, right?
[01:43:04]  Like, you know, this level of war.
[01:43:07]  It's always been there.
[01:43:09]  Like, this is just part of like diplomacy.
[01:43:12]  Diplomacy isn't just like, let's negotiate and compromise.
[01:43:16]  Diplomacy is vicious.
[01:43:18]  Blackmail.

=== Vicious Nature Of Blackmail (04:51) ===

[01:43:19]  Have anything you can do to get the job done.
[01:43:24]  And so, for me, that's comforting because if you start imagining what you're seeing is like something new at all, it's not.
[01:43:35]  Like, how long have people been using sex and blackmail to like, puppeteer leaders?
[01:43:43]  I mean it's yeah, such an effective way to do it too, and it's it's so like for like yeah, are.
[01:43:57]  Are world leaders more than likely compromised?
[01:44:01]  Well yes, compromised in all kinds of ways, not just compromised from, like you know, the Epstein, though certainly many are, but compromised Just from basic greed.
[01:44:15]  I mean, lobbyists, super PACs.
[01:44:18]  It's like, certainly, you can't really call it a representative democracy if the way people get into positions of power requires so much money.
[01:44:29]  And that money is not coming from individuals.
[01:44:31]  That money is generally coming from mega corporations and other states, other countries, and done in like fascinating ways.
[01:44:40]  So it's like, at that point, so you know, the apocalypse literally means lifting of the veil.
[01:44:47]  And so, what people are beginning to, the new thing, I guess, is like on a global level, people are beginning to wake up to the reality that what our voices aren't really being heard, or the voice of, of, of like, you know, actual citizens is being muted by the like voice of like powerful corporations.
[01:45:14]  And, and that's really bad because, like, the founding fathers, the whole point of this fucking.
[01:45:20]  Democracy in electing a president was to let the steam out, you know, otherwise, revolutions happen.
[01:45:27]  You got to let the steam out, depressurize it.
[01:45:29]  You have a nonviolent revolution every four years.
[01:45:32]  You get a new leader.
[01:45:34]  And so, if people start realizing that it doesn't work like that anymore, whoo, this pressure builds.
[01:45:42]  And that's what we're all feeling, man.
[01:45:44]  It's like this pressure is building because it's becoming increasingly difficult to buy the show.
[01:45:53]  The show is not believable anymore.
[01:45:55]  It used to be more believable.
[01:45:57]  You really bought into it, man.
[01:45:59]  Now people are excited.
[01:45:59]  I'm not sure any of this shit is real.
[01:46:04]  These people are not like morally upstanding people in the way you would.
[01:46:10]  That was always a thing.
[01:46:11]  Presidents had this kind of noble quality.
[01:46:15]  They were like powerful, gentle.
[01:46:18]  They were for everyone and they had presidential speak.
[01:46:21]  You know, that strange way that a leader talks and you bought it, man.
[01:46:26]  You bought it.
[01:46:28]  But now people just aren't really like buying it anymore.
[01:46:31]  And that's not.
[01:46:33]  Good, they got to get a better mascot in there.
[01:46:36]  The Illuminati, dude, they're trying to save money on their fucking maitre d.
[01:46:41]  Like, you need to get some, like, you got to get another, like, JFK in there.
[01:46:45]  You got to get somebody who at least isn't fucking senile.
[01:46:50]  You know what I mean?
[01:46:51]  That was the beginning of the end.
[01:46:52]  It's like you have the senile dementia president.
[01:46:55]  It's like, dude, I'm not sure we need a president if that guy's the president.
[01:47:00]  And so, this is a real issue.
[01:47:03]  You know, we don't buy it anymore.
[01:47:05]  Yeah, it's harder and harder for them to keep secrets from us with technology and with social media stuff and everyone being an investigator on everything.
[01:47:15]  100%.
[01:47:15]  You know, like look at fucking what Tucker's doing.
[01:47:18]  He's like, he's trying to like pull the veil and expose the most crazy shit in society, like interviewing Putin, the tech guy who allegedly killed somebody, accusing the tech guy of, the AI guy of murdering people.
[01:47:34]  Yeah.
[01:47:34]  And like, dude, that's insane.
[01:47:36]  He's like challenging other guys.
[01:47:38]  Government leaders and like accusing like foreign governments of murdering people like the dudes like that are it's just insane that he's allowed, he's that was the name for it.
[01:47:50]  Journalist, that's right.
[01:47:51]  But but but that again though, but that also ties into like what we were talking about earlier with like with podcasts and on YouTube.
[01:48:00]  It's like you can't survive unless you are pushing the boundary so goddamn far you're going to be afraid of fucking surviving another week.
[01:48:07]  Yeah, you know, you everything has got to be the end of the world.

=== Finding Peace In Scared Moments (03:58) ===

[01:48:11]  Yeah.
[01:48:11]  Everything's got to be just doomsday for it to get clicks on anything.
[01:48:15]  Isn't that sad?
[01:48:16]  It's so sad.
[01:48:18]  It's like, because it's like, yeah, I guess like people are just getting high on fear, and that's like the drug of choice, booze, and fear.
[01:48:25]  And so then because you create a market pressure for fear, you want to create more creative versions of fear, more cinematic versions of fear.
[01:48:35]  You're in the fear marketplace.
[01:48:37]  You're a fear monger.
[01:48:38]  And it's tough on them streets, man.
[01:48:40]  You got to like come up with a really brand new good angle to freak.
[01:48:43]  People out of that because that's what the algorithm likes.
[01:48:46]  You don't even want to make it.
[01:48:47]  You just know if I do some controversial shit, use a weird thumbnail with some kind of clickbait shit, it's going to get way more action.
[01:48:55]  That translates into money.
[01:48:57]  And so you're not going to become anybody if you have a middle of the road, moderate take on something.
[01:49:01]  Dude, and what more satanic technology than that?
[01:49:06]  An actual technology that harvests fear and like allows people to commodify paranoia and fear.
[01:49:16]  Wow, that if there was a Satan, boy, he's happy about the algorithm, isn't he?
[01:49:24]  He's like, this is amazing.
[01:49:27]  Yeah.
[01:49:28]  So look, you know, while all of that chaos is going on, all the stuff, there's just this moment.
[01:49:38]  And generally in this moment, everything's fine.
[01:49:42]  Everything's great.
[01:49:44]  Like somebody, like, you know, like let's say for a second, like just like if I just stop for a moment, if we both just stop talking.
[01:49:55]  Like, you feel that?
[01:49:56]  Like, there's like this vibrant, beautiful energy in the present moment.
[01:50:02]  It's amazing.
[01:50:03]  In Buddhism, they call it emptiness.
[01:50:05]  People get confused by that term.
[01:50:07]  But, like, when you breathe out right before you breathe in, there's this, in Buddhism, it's called the gap.
[01:50:14]  There's this little space right there.
[01:50:16]  And it's beautiful.
[01:50:17]  And it's one of the ways Chokim Chomper Rinpoche described it is fresh baked bread.
[01:50:25]  It has a wholesome quality to it.
[01:50:27]  It's like, it's, it's, It's a very sweet thing that is always happening.
[01:50:34]  And all this shit that we're all addicted to, it distracts from that moment.
[01:50:41]  That is an uncommodifiable place, by the way.
[01:50:45]  It is, you can't sell the present moment or they would have done it by now.
[01:50:51]  It's free.
[01:50:52]  And in that place that everyone's trying to get away from by buying shit, you don't really need anything, man.
[01:50:59]  Like, you're fine.
[01:51:01]  You're safe.
[01:51:02]  You're okay.
[01:51:04]  And in the Bible, the first thing angels say when they appear to people is, be not afraid.
[01:51:09]  Don't be afraid.
[01:51:10]  It's the first thing always.
[01:51:12]  Like, it's okay.
[01:51:14]  That's the message loud and clear.
[01:51:17]  It's been coming down the pipeline since people could talk.
[01:51:22]  That's the great transcendent message.
[01:51:23]  It's not really special.
[01:51:24]  It's like, it's okay.
[01:51:26]  It's okay.
[01:51:28]  You're safe.
[01:51:29]  You're fine.
[01:51:31]  Ramdas used to say, dying.
[01:51:33]  Is completely safe.
[01:51:35]  Dying is completely safe.
[01:51:36]  Dying is safe.
[01:51:38]  It is.
[01:51:39]  Everyone's afraid of it.
[01:51:40]  It's like the most natural process.
[01:51:44]  And, you know, like I just had this wonderful teacher, Ramdev, on my podcast.
[01:51:48]  And, you know, you're dying and being reborn over and over and over again.
[01:51:55]  And every time you breathe out and breathe back in.
[01:51:59]  And so this is this place, it's not going anywhere.
[01:52:06]  It's never gotten anywhere, but always.

=== Is Reality Just A Simulation (15:31) ===

[01:52:10]  There's millions of things that you can focus your attention on that will take you fully out of it and put you in a kind of numb, nullified state.
[01:52:21]  Because even saying it's fear, it's like, boy, it's fun to be afraid.
[01:52:25]  When was the last time you were really afraid?
[01:52:28]  It's exciting getting nice and scared.
[01:52:31]  Maybe you watched a horror movie.
[01:52:32]  Maybe you're like, I don't know, walking down the street.
[01:52:34]  Because that dude fucking following me.
[01:52:36]  I ate too much weed.
[01:52:37]  It feels good.
[01:52:39]  It's kind of like a jolt.
[01:52:41]  This is really, if you look at the way you feel when you're getting high on your phone, it's a numb, kind of like, I don't know, anesthetized feeling.
[01:52:53]  It's sort of like.
[01:52:54]  You breathe differently.
[01:52:56]  You start to have like shallow breathing.
[01:52:58]  Yeah.
[01:52:59]  And you fucking.
[01:53:00]  Get cum on your hand.
[01:53:01]  Get cum on your hand.
[01:53:03]  What is that about the internet that gets cum on my hand?
[01:53:08]  Oh my God.
[01:53:10]  Yeah, that's weird, man.
[01:53:12]  It definitely is a fucking drug.
[01:53:13]  And it's probably being used as some sort of mind control now.
[01:53:16]  I bet you the phones are the new MKUltra because everyone on the phones are living in their own reality and they have all their own, their algorithms are feeding them specific memes, whether you're getting memes about Trump blowing Clinton or memes about whatever it is.
[01:53:32]  It's like you don't really, it's like you're in your own lane and you don't get to peek through to the other stuff.
[01:53:40]  And you could turn it off anytime you want.
[01:53:42]  A vampire only goes where it's invited.
[01:53:45]  Every time you decide to stare into the hypno rectangle, What is the difference between that and summoning some kind of like distraction demon into your life?
[01:53:57]  It's like, you know, there's not enough fire and chaos and bombs and children getting blown up around me.
[01:54:02]  So let me look through this window into hell.
[01:54:10]  Oh my God.
[01:54:12]  That's fucking hilarious, dude.
[01:54:13]  Yeah.
[01:54:14]  And don't get me wrong.
[01:54:15]  I'm addicted as anybody else, man.
[01:54:17]  I'm not high road in here.
[01:54:18]  I'm just like, I've been addicted to enough things to know.
[01:54:21]  What I when I'm addicted, yeah, you know, and like, like I reckon, yeah, but at what point do you what at what point do you have to like decide to let go?
[01:54:30]  Like, at what point do they start tethering every other aspect of life into the phone and into the technology to where you need this stuff to just uh pay your bills?
[01:54:39]  You know, if you want to, if you want to have health insurance, you got to wear the Palantir ring, digital ID, digital ID, yeah, thumb.
[01:54:46]  Well, I mean, you know, you could the real ID, that's where we're headed, friend, yeah.
[01:54:50]  There's no, I don't really think.
[01:54:52]  That there is not to be a complete fucking defeatist here, but I don't really think that it's it's and I recognize the irony that I'm wearing a Palantir hat.
[01:55:05]  Um, when I say this, I don't think pay the bill somehow, bro.
[01:55:08]  Don't please don't start the I'm wearing this to troll because you have four children.
[01:55:13]  People accuse me of getting paid by fucking Palantir.
[01:55:16]  So now I wear it on any podcast because it's so funny to think that Palantir needs.
[01:55:24]  Mid level podcasters to work for them.
[01:55:28]  But I don't think.
[01:55:30]  You would be their first pick, though.
[01:55:31]  Why?
[01:55:32]  I would be my last pick.
[01:55:34]  If I was running some kind of surveillance, massive surveillance, I'm not letting my yappy ass anywhere near any of the secrets.
[01:55:42]  But, you know, I don't think.
[01:55:44]  I think that what you're describing, there's a great book, something like 12 Reasons to Delete Your Social Media Now by Jaron Lanier, early Silicon Valley dude.
[01:55:56]  And basically, the way he describes it is.
[01:56:00]  Where we're headed is towards, you know, like BF Skinner, the Skinner box.
[01:56:05]  He used it.
[01:56:05]  Okay.
[01:56:06]  He's like, these are Skinner boxes.
[01:56:08]  And the algorithm combined with AI, I think the algorithm is AI, but as AI advances, this thing is going to be increasingly distracting.
[01:56:17]  And eventually, there will be no, like what you're describing, no way out to unplug.
[01:56:23]  To unplug.
[01:56:24]  And this is his nightmare scenario.
[01:56:27]  Basically, the AI becomes like the like some kind of like psychic prison for everybody.
[01:56:35]  And I disagree with that.
[01:56:39]  I do think that it will become inevitably deeper, like embedded deeper.
[01:56:46]  Yeah, it's yeah.
[01:56:47]  I mean, clearly, what we're looking at here is like if you watch, if you fast forward time, starts as a giant like two story building that was old computers, shrinks down onto your desktop, becomes.
[01:57:00]  Desktop computer, then it shrinks down again.
[01:57:04]  Now it's in our fucking pockets.
[01:57:06]  On your watch.
[01:57:07]  And then it's on your head.
[01:57:09]  VR, AR, those Ray-Ban fucking augmented reality glasses.
[01:57:14]  That's going to be the next iteration.
[01:57:16]  And then, of course, we're going black mirror, the little thing you stick on your temple or some kind of injectable, right?
[01:57:24]  And so, what you're seeing is really the thing that has been happening on this planet since the get go, which is this planet's a centrifuge and things get mixed together.
[01:57:37]  This is why in our guts, in our gut bacteria, that's not our shit, that's bacteria.
[01:57:44]  We depend on colonies of bacteria.
[01:57:46]  Right.
[01:57:46]  Living with us in this perfect symbiosis.
[01:57:49]  And what you're seeing here is no different than that.
[01:57:52]  I'm not calling it a species, it's technology, but just for the sake of shits and giggles, let's just say it's an invasive species.
[01:58:03]  Its roots are worked into everything already.
[01:58:08]  And it might as well be embedded in our brains.
[01:58:12]  We carry it around with us.
[01:58:13]  We look at it every five, six minutes.
[01:58:15]  We go to it for Everything already, of course, it's going to get into our brains because there's already plastic in our brains.
[01:58:23]  Right.
[01:58:23]  And so it will, we are merging with it.
[01:58:26]  We will merge with it for better or for worse.
[01:58:28]  But how long does it take before it gets ahead of us on the evolutionary scale or on the predatory scale?
[01:58:36]  At what point does it become the smarter thing?
[01:58:38]  Because there's like, what is there?
[01:58:40]  There's 20 million catalog species of animals on this earth, and there's 20 of them are hominids, and out of the one, one of the 20 hominids, Is the ones that were able to figure out how to get off planet Earth and develop AI.
[01:58:55]  So we're us, human beings, are like 0.001% of the species of Earth.
[01:59:00]  Right.
[01:59:01]  And we're leaps and bounds ahead of number two.
[01:59:04]  Yeah.
[01:59:05]  And so at what point does this eclipse us?
[01:59:08]  Do you think it does?
[01:59:09]  Well, I mean, I think the problem is you have to ask, like, this is the argument for simulation theory.
[01:59:17]  It's like, if you're, if you like, Buy into like how long humans have been here, even go Graham Hancock level.
[01:59:26]  Like the amount of time we've been here relative to the age of the earth is not very long.
[01:59:30]  And if you look at the I don't know, agrarian revolution, you know, to the industrial revolution, you know, you see that.
[01:59:39]  I'm sure people on this podcast talk about this.
[01:59:41]  I'm fascinated by it.
[01:59:42]  Yeah.
[01:59:42]  The amount of time between each of these massive social changes is like decreasing.
[01:59:48]  Like the amount of time between people learning to plant food and Factories is long.
[01:59:54]  The amount of time between factories and technology, not quite as long.
[01:59:59]  The amount of war, two or I'm sorry, civil war muskets and the atomic bomb, bingo, like 50 years, 50 years, and then the amount of time between the internet and AI, what is that?
[02:00:08]  Like, how long is that?
[02:00:09]  Like, what was that, 20 years, 30 years?
[02:00:11]  So, and then each of these, um, subsequent technologies accelerate the amount of time it takes to get to the next sort of milestone, right?
[02:00:21]  And so, based on that, you know, you have to ask yourself.
[02:00:28]  The question being, when is it going to eclipse us?
[02:00:31]  It's like, oh, it already did.
[02:00:32]  Right.
[02:00:33]  It eclipsed us.
[02:00:34]  You think we already hit the singularity?
[02:00:36]  Well, I mean, I think it's quite possible.
[02:00:38]  This is the argument for simulation theory it's like, there is some probability that's not that low that it already happened, and that somewhere along the way, humans got digitized.
[02:00:52]  We upload our consciousness into some kind of experiential, uh, Thing that we call a lifetime.
[02:00:58]  We get to experience, like, you know, some kind of training in each lifetime that we sort of decide to like enter into.
[02:01:06]  It's a perfectly simulated reality.
[02:01:08]  They realize going in there knowing you're in a simulation, it won't be as effective when it comes to the training.
[02:01:14]  And also, you know, just like the subjectivity of time itself, theoretically, you know, there could be some kind of medicine that you could give someone that makes every second feel like 100 years.
[02:01:26]  So, in like a minute, you could have 60 lifetimes within which you learn like all of these incredible skills.
[02:01:33]  At the end of five minutes, you've become like adept at everything.
[02:01:37]  At the end of an hour, you literally know everything.
[02:01:40]  So, just a simple hour of this kind of simulation.
[02:01:43]  Would be an amazing way to train people.
[02:01:46]  And so, you know, it could be that that's what's happening to us.
[02:01:49]  Have you seen the documentary that this dude, Danny Gohler, is making?
[02:01:53]  He has a theory.
[02:01:54]  He has a theory when you take DMT and you take a diffracted laser and you shine it on a wall, you can see the code of the matrix.
[02:02:00]  I fucking love it because it's so funny.
[02:02:03]  It's like, yeah, somebody told me that on lasers, there's something in lasers that identifies the lasers.
[02:02:11]  And so it's like people getting super high, looking at some kind of.
[02:02:14]  Thing in the laser that just is like you know, when you flash it at a fucking apparently, you have to have that in there.
[02:02:21]  I could be wrong.
[02:02:22]  One of my friends told me that they're like, dude, they're just getting high on DMT and just seeing like basically like a barcode in the laser.
[02:02:31]  And also, I think it's funny.
[02:02:32]  Well, it looks like I did it, I did it, and I tried.
[02:02:35]  So, is it real?
[02:02:37]  Let me tell you what I saw.
[02:02:39]  I did the DMT.
[02:02:39]  Oh my god, I've been wanting to do it.
[02:02:42]  I've never met.
[02:02:43]  Oh, I'm so excited.
[02:02:44]  I'm so excited.
[02:02:44]  I did it twice.
[02:02:48]  I do it every morning when I wake up.
[02:02:51]  I got to see the matrix.
[02:02:53]  No.
[02:02:54]  So, the first time I did it, I looked into the laser and all I saw was like millions and millions of spinning gears all connected to each other.
[02:03:01]  But the weird thing was if you move the lasers, the gears don't move.
[02:03:08]  It's almost like you're showing like behind the wall or something that it's already there and the laser is like a flashlight just illuminating it.
[02:03:15]  But it wasn't, there was no like matrix code or anything like that.
[02:03:18]  So I saw gears.
[02:03:19]  I'm like, maybe, yeah, it was gears.
[02:03:20]  I'm like, maybe I didn't do enough or whatever.
[02:03:21]  So I tried it again a couple months later and I did way more.
[02:03:26]  And I saw fucking dicks.
[02:03:32]  I saw millions of dicks that were encoded in like Lord of the Rings text and they were everywhere.
[02:03:41]  That's what they wanted us to know.
[02:03:43]  He was telling me, he was like, he was like recording me doing this.
[02:03:46]  And I'm like, do you really want to know what I see?
[02:03:48]  He's like, yes, do you see the code?
[02:03:50]  And I'm like, I see code, but it's.
[02:03:54]  It's inscripted in millions of penises.
[02:03:57]  I see dick people.
[02:04:00]  Well, you know what, man?
[02:04:02]  It would really explain a lot.
[02:04:04]  Like, why, like, we find out the reason disclosure hasn't happened is because aliens look like dicks and they're just, it's dicks.
[02:04:13]  Like, everything outside of the Earth realm is just dicks tattooed with hieroglyphics.
[02:04:18]  Dick people.
[02:04:19]  Dick people.
[02:04:20]  That's what are in that.
[02:04:22]  That's the reason.
[02:04:22]  They made us.
[02:04:23]  And they were like, you know what?
[02:04:24]  Like, you know, the way people sign their art, they're like, put a dick on that thing.
[02:04:27]  People know it came from us.
[02:04:30]  That's cool, man.
[02:04:31]  Well, I mean, look, I have no doubt that some level of the astral realm is dicks.
[02:04:41]  Wouldn't surprise me at all.
[02:04:43]  Why not?
[02:04:44]  You know, but that is so funny.
[02:04:46]  But it's plus, I think the psychedelics are like a largely placebo, right?
[02:04:51]  I had somebody smart tell me this on the podcast, Hamilton Morris.
[02:04:55]  You know who he is?
[02:04:56]  Yeah.
[02:04:56]  He had the show on Vice.
[02:04:59]  He was explaining how, like, psychedelics are very much placebo, how they basically reinforce shit that's already in there or they bring out stuff that's already in your mind, like deep in your mind.
[02:05:09]  Well, yeah.
[02:05:10]  So maybe I have dicks on my mind.
[02:05:12]  You might have dicks on your mind.
[02:05:13]  It's okay, man.
[02:05:15]  Look, dicks are important.
[02:05:17]  Yes.
[02:05:17]  You know, I don't want to get political, but we need dicks.
[02:05:22]  It's just the way it is.
[02:05:23]  There's no way around it.
[02:05:24]  We haven't figured it out.
[02:05:25]  The world depends on dicks.
[02:05:26]  Yes.
[02:05:27]  Yes.
[02:05:28]  At least human existence does.
[02:05:29]  And.
[02:05:30]  Yeah, I, you know, I think the.
[02:05:36]  But it is the DMT thing is just very, it's very strange.
[02:05:39]  I think it could be.
[02:05:41]  If we are living in a simulation, I would imagine radically altering your consciousness in some way might be able to, like, if this is a video game, there's got to be a way to, like, see the edge of the map, you know?
[02:05:54]  Yeah, there is.
[02:05:57]  It's acid and nitrous oxide.
[02:05:59]  Oh, fuck yes.
[02:06:00]  You'll see the grid, baby.
[02:06:03]  You'll see the grid.
[02:06:04]  Yeah.
[02:06:05]  Yeah, for sure.
[02:06:07]  I mean, absolutely.
[02:06:08]  And, you know, the simulator, calling this a simulation is just a new technological way of describing what the Hindus call Maya, which means illusion.
[02:06:18]  And that's like, so it's again, it's just a way like modern people can understand the same idea, which is this thing that you're experiencing is not quite as real as you've been led to believe.
[02:06:29]  And it's certainly not everything.
[02:06:33]  And that's the spiritual. journey, though I hate terms like that, that is it, is like, you know, the exploration of truth, like in trying to understand what's really going on here and not getting lost in the weeds along the way.
[02:06:55]  And their best reason to do that is because most people are suffering so much unnecessarily, you know, and that is an avoidable situation, as insane as that might sound.
[02:07:08]  To people who are suffering, you don't have to.
[02:07:11]  You'll feel pain and stuff like that.
[02:07:14]  But suffering, this fucking malaise that sneaks its way into a person's life, these teachings, they're just encode various ways of encoding a set of changes you can make in your own life that are going to reduce the amount of suffering that you've been experiencing.
[02:07:37]  And then once you could do that for yourself, That you could do that for other people too.

=== Reducing Life Suffering Now (06:35) ===

[02:07:41]  You're the walking proof.
[02:07:44]  That's the most important thing.
[02:07:47]  Is there a fucking wall of dicks behind the grid of reality?
[02:07:52]  Sure.
[02:07:53]  Are we on a mothership?
[02:07:54]  Sure.
[02:07:55]  Are we on a simulator?
[02:07:56]  Sure.
[02:07:57]  Are we in the hollow earth, like experiencing what it's like to be on the exterior of this?
[02:08:03]  Why not?
[02:08:04]  But no matter what that grand reality is, the real question is are you all right?
[02:08:10]  Are you waking up every day happy to be awake?
[02:08:14]  Are you like really connecting with your life?
[02:08:19]  Are you really gonna ask yourself that man?
[02:08:21]  And that's the most important thing.
[02:08:23]  We'll get to the DMT dicks, but first, why don't we like figure out a way to like make ourselves happy?
[02:08:30]  Yeah, within whatever this may be.
[02:08:32]  That's my take, man.
[02:08:33]  That's the most important thing.
[02:08:35]  Yeah, other stuff is cool though.
[02:08:37]  It's fun to think about and it's fun to like spend your time trying to decode.
[02:08:45]  The great conspiracies that are happening right now.
[02:08:48]  I'm not saying stick your head in the sand.
[02:08:49]  I'm just saying make sure that you, along the way, are also looking into a much more important conspiracy, which is why aren't you happy?
[02:08:57]  Right.
[02:08:59]  What's your secret?
[02:09:00]  How do you do it?
[02:09:01]  How do you have the time to do your comedy, have three kids, do all these podcasts?
[02:09:09]  Vodka.
[02:09:10]  Vodka.
[02:09:13]  No, I'm kidding.
[02:09:14]  Oh, you're ketamine.
[02:09:16]  First of all, to say I'm happy all the time, that's not the case at all.
[02:09:19]  But there are very simple things that you can apply to your own life that will reduce your.
[02:09:28]  Your anxiety.
[02:09:29]  And it's very simple.
[02:09:30]  It's so fucking obvious and simple, which is like if you worry, if you're a worrier, which I used to be, just recognize it's a habit.
[02:09:40]  So if you sort of just mindfulness is the start.
[02:09:43]  So come up with, like, look up anything on mindfulness, just a way of sort of being in the moment, observing your own reality.
[02:09:52]  That's a good starting place.
[02:09:53]  Meditation is one great way to do that, right?
[02:09:55]  And so then you start becoming in Tibetan Buddhism, meditation is called Gom.
[02:10:01]  Which means becoming familiar with oneself.
[02:10:03]  And so you're becoming familiar with your mind, the nature of your thinking mind.
[02:10:09]  And you begin to realize, oh my God, like the shit your mind spits out is so ridiculous.
[02:10:15]  Like in a minute, you can go from like the most intense paranoid fantasy to wanting a cheeseburger in a minute.
[02:10:24]  And so you realize your mind is just always producing these things that you have been calling thoughts and that you've been. sort of drawn to a set of these thoughts, which the Buddhist teacher, Jack Kornfield, it's like, this is like, you know, the top 10 songs.
[02:10:42]  Most people's brains produce top 10 worries, top 10 fears.
[02:10:46]  You're always fixating on this or that, the problem in your life, the thing.
[02:10:49]  Maybe it's worries about the federal government.
[02:10:52]  Maybe it's worries about your health, your family, whatever it may be.
[02:10:56]  And so what's happening there is that you're fixating on a fantasy.
[02:11:03]  You're imagining the worst case scenario usually.
[02:11:05]  And you're, or you, that thing, you know, I don't know if you've ever gotten in a fight with someone in your own mind.
[02:11:10]  You're literally in an argument with someone in your own mind that you think you're going to have.
[02:11:15]  Yep.
[02:11:16]  Now, what's happening there is habit.
[02:11:19]  And what's happening is you don't realize you have a lot more control over what you spend time thinking about.
[02:11:25]  So, what's amazing is you already have the discipline to do a kind of basic magic with a K, which is.
[02:11:35]  You are disciplined to worry.
[02:11:37]  You've disciplined yourself.
[02:11:38]  You actually don't realize that you are a master at yoga.
[02:11:45]  Only the yoga you're doing is the yoga of worry.
[02:11:48]  You're good at it, man.
[02:11:49]  Most of us are so good at it.
[02:11:52]  You can just effortlessly fill your mind with the most eerie, terrifying version of the future with no energy at all.
[02:12:04]  It's very detailed, vivid.
[02:12:05]  You can also do it with your past.
[02:12:07]  You can remember the very worst thing from your past and forget all the other good times you've had.
[02:12:12]  So the simple move is to replace those worries with it doesn't have to be special.
[02:12:20]  It can be anything, but start teaching yourself to habituate towards thinking about good things that you've done, wonderful things that you've done.
[02:12:33]  And this practice will, it will change your life.
[02:12:40]  So quickly, and you begin to realize because a lot of people think they don't realize how connected their feelings are to their thoughts.
[02:12:47]  They think, you know, you don't realize, like, yeah, of course you feel awful because you keep thinking about the worst thing that happened to you the heartbreak, the tragedy, or what you think is going to come.
[02:13:02]  Yeah.
[02:13:03]  And it's not happening.
[02:13:05]  It's just this moment right now.
[02:13:07]  Just watch what happens if you just replace it with anything.
[02:13:11]  Check out Psycho Cybernetics, great fucking book.
[02:13:13]  You would love it.
[02:13:14]  Psycho Cybernetics?
[02:13:15]  It's such a dumb name, but it's a fucking sick name, I thought.
[02:13:19]  I don't like it, but I do like the book.
[02:13:21]  It's really, really good.
[02:13:22]  It sort of details this.
[02:13:23]  And, you know, it's a, I generally like self help doesn't do shit for me, but that's, it's a very effective, it's a very effective practice.
[02:13:34]  Duncan Trussell, thank you so much for your time, man.
[02:13:36]  Thank you for letting me ramble.
[02:13:37]  You're a great interviewer, man.
[02:13:39]  I'm so glad that we got to do this.
[02:13:41]  I don't have to do anything.
[02:13:42]  You just fucking go.
[02:13:43]  You're like a machine.
[02:13:44]  Well, because you let me.
[02:13:45]  Oh, well.
[02:13:46]  Thank you.
[02:13:46]  That's, of course.
[02:13:48]  You're welcome.
[02:13:48]  I really appreciate it.
[02:13:50]  Thank you.
[02:13:51]  Duncan Trussell Family Hour on YouTube and Spotify and all that stuff.
[02:13:54]  Yeah.
[02:13:55]  And then what else can people do to?
[02:13:56]  Well, you can watch The Midnight Gospel on Netflix.
[02:14:00]  And yeah, man, I got a baby coming.
[02:14:03]  So the shows here that I'm doing, which is why we're here together, that's my last.
[02:14:09]  But you can find my dates at duncantrussell.com.
[02:14:11]  Like in a few months, I'll get back on the road.
[02:14:13]  Fuck yes, dude.
[02:14:13]  Thank you so much.
[02:14:14]  Thank you.
[02:14:15]  Hail Satan, everybody.
[02:14:16]  Hare Krishna.