Danny Jones Podcast - #165 - Mexico's Teenage Narco-Militia Is Deadlier Than Ever | Johnny Mitchell
Aired: 2022-12-13
Duration: 03:00:06


=== Social Media Sensation (02:15) ===

[00:00:09]  Mitchell, thank you for coming, man.
[00:00:10]  Yes, sir, man.
[00:00:11]  Thanks for fucking having me here, dude.
[00:00:14]  You're like a social media sensation right now.
[00:00:16]  You're like blowing up all over YouTube, Instagram, TikTok.
[00:00:20]  And then, like, you started all this shit less than two months ago.
[00:00:22]  Is that what it is?
[00:00:23]  As soon as Andrew Tate got banned, I saw the void in the market, you know, and I stepped in.
[00:00:30]  That's where they were calling me.
[00:00:32]  My friends are fucking breaking my balls back in LA.
[00:00:34]  They're like, you're the Andrew Tate of comedy, man.
[00:00:36]  I'm like, I don't want that.
[00:00:38]  I don't want that.
[00:00:38]  Please.
[00:00:39]  How much time have you spent in Florida?
[00:00:40]  Is this your first time in this part of Florida?
[00:00:42]  Yeah, yeah, I've only been to Miami pretty much just to do comedy.
[00:00:46]  Right, that makes sense.
[00:00:47]  Yeah, this is a weird, this is a very different town than where you live right now.
[00:00:51]  Yeah, what, LA?
[00:00:54]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:00:55]  Oh, for sure.
[00:00:56]  For sure.
[00:00:58]  It's so funny because you made a comment when you walked in here about like this town, this kind of like bumfuck Florida town we're in right now.
[00:01:03]  Yeah, it looks like cops.
[00:01:05]  It looks everything in Florida looks like the show cops.
[00:01:08]  There's no sidewalks, right?
[00:01:10]  It's just, it's like, it looks like there should be a couple of.
[00:01:16]  People that escaped from an insane asylum walking down the street, a couple of crackheads, but no, we're in a nice area, actually.
[00:01:21]  Yeah, there's a couple of men.
[00:01:22]  Not really.
[00:01:23]  It's a decent area.
[00:01:23]  It's okay.
[00:01:24]  It changes quick.
[00:01:26]  It changes quick.
[00:01:27]  There's like one, it could be like a plantation style house, and then there's a gas station.
[00:01:33]  Yeah.
[00:01:33]  It's funny that most people who make all the comments or that notice this kind of town and where it sticks out to them, all those people are from LA.
[00:01:40]  They are always the one to make the comments.
[00:01:41]  Yeah.
[00:01:42]  I think the only, like the last person who in here was freaking out, they, Was Jamie Kennedy when he crawled in here?
[00:01:47]  He was like looking over his shoulder.
[00:01:49]  He's like, Where's the fucking crackheads?
[00:01:50]  He's a bit of a hypochondriac.
[00:01:52]  I know Jamie quite well.
[00:01:53]  Oh, do you really?
[00:01:54]  Yeah, that's hilarious.
[00:01:55]  He's a bit of a hypochondriac.
[00:01:57]  Where's the crackheads, man?
[00:01:58]  He still won't touch my hand like after COVID.
[00:02:00]  Like, really?
[00:02:01]  He still like elbow bumps me.
[00:02:04]  Oh, my God.
[00:02:05]  I'm like, It's over.
[00:02:06]  Forget it.
[00:02:06]  Just give me a goddamn handshake, weirdo.
[00:02:08]  That's hilarious.
[00:02:09]  Yeah.
[00:02:10]  And your podcast is fucking fascinating.
[00:02:12]  I just listened to every episode.
[00:02:14]  Thank you, brother.
[00:02:15]  Is like the format of that you just decided to?
[00:02:17]  Tell your own story episodically of like your life in crime and then kind of transition into interviewing people, or yeah, exactly.

=== Jamie Kennedy Hypochondria (05:42) ===

[00:02:24]  Like, I would watch you know in my YouTube feed, I see you know every different kind of like drug and prison show because they're fascinating, right?
[00:02:33]  But it's either like some you know big cholo dude that is like the craziest shit I've seen in prison and it's fascinating, but you can't listen to it for more than like five minutes because it's just the quality is usually poor, uh, you know, there's no kind of production value to it.
[00:02:50]  Or it's like some, you know, Oxford educated guy from Vice News who's like, let me tell you about the Sinaloa cartel.
[00:02:58]  It's like, no, no, no, motherfucker.
[00:02:59]  I'll tell you about the Sinaloa cartel.
[00:03:01]  I've been with those guys.
[00:03:02]  So I was like, maybe that's what I could do.
[00:03:04]  I could do like a prison and a drug and a crime show, but from the perspective of somebody that's been in the life, but who also can kind of, I don't know, articulate it, bring like a news element to it, like a news quality element to it.
[00:03:21]  So that's where I got the idea from.
[00:03:22]  But no, I didn't plan to make it episodic, like track it through from the beginnings.
[00:03:27]  I just kind of started.
[00:03:30]  I just kind of went and it organically kind of became this like chronological thing, you know?
[00:03:37]  What gave you the idea to start it?
[00:03:40]  I think because I wanted, I tell a lot of jokes on stage.
[00:03:44]  You know, I do comedy, I do stand up comedy for the fans that don't know.
[00:03:47]  And I tell a lot of these prison stories just because it's such good humor.
[00:03:52]  So it's such good fodder for comedy.
[00:03:56]  And I wrote a book actually during the pandemic, Days of the Trap, and it was pretty well received.
[00:04:02]  So, I was like, well, what if I extrapolated these stories and made it like true crime documentary style?
[00:04:11]  Like, what if I told you actually how drug trafficking works?
[00:04:15]  Because we always hear about, like, you know, the drug cartels, drug routes.
[00:04:20]  Well, what does that mean?
[00:04:21]  What's a drug route?
[00:04:23]  How do you actually make money selling cocaine?
[00:04:27]  What is prison actually like day to day?
[00:04:30]  What do these things mean?
[00:04:32]  I didn't see a lot of people doing that.
[00:04:33]  So, I was, I don't know.
[00:04:34]  That's just kind of what motivated me to.
[00:04:37]  Get going with it.
[00:04:38]  And how long ago did you get out of prison?
[00:04:40]  Oh, it's been years.
[00:04:41]  It's been like over a decade.
[00:04:42]  Over a decade.
[00:04:43]  Yeah.
[00:04:43]  Yeah.
[00:04:43]  I came home in 2012, beginning of 2012, and I was on parole.
[00:04:48]  I had a three year tale, but I just blew parole and moved to LA like immediately.
[00:04:54]  Like I went home, lived with my parents, saved up some money, and moved to LA within like five months of being out of prison and just started writing screenplays, started doing stand up comedy.
[00:05:06]  Yeah.
[00:05:06]  So you were looking back.
[00:05:07]  Hyper motivated.
[00:05:08]  Hyper motivated.
[00:05:09]  Yeah.
[00:05:10]  Fuck yeah.
[00:05:11]  Oh my God.
[00:05:12]  For anybody, anybody who's like loafing, I recommend prison.
[00:05:16]  I recommend a little prison bit for everybody because when you lose time, like when you see the days of your life just getting flushed down the toilet, nothing is a better motivator.
[00:05:30]  Like you want to get that time back.
[00:05:31]  You know what I mean?
[00:05:32]  And so it was like a really, also, I went too far with it.
[00:05:36]  Like I was like manic when I got out, you know, and I probably had PTSD from seeing shit.
[00:05:41]  In there, whatever.
[00:05:42]  But, but yeah, it was, it definitely changed my life for the better, I think, you know?
[00:05:48]  I mean, I do regret like losing all this money I made, but I think it, I think it gave me direction, you know?
[00:05:54]  Yeah, man.
[00:05:55]  I say it all the time because I've had quite a number of like ex cons in here and people that have been in prison for a long period of time.
[00:06:03]  Yeah.
[00:06:03]  For long periods of time.
[00:06:04]  And they're the most interesting people I've ever talked to.
[00:06:06]  Yeah.
[00:06:07]  They always have the most character.
[00:06:09]  They always have, they just, they're just the most interesting people.
[00:06:12]  Yeah.
[00:06:12]  For some reason, something about, Spending lots of time staring at a wall, reflecting on your life and your previous experiences.
[00:06:21]  It does something to you that is just unique.
[00:06:24]  Yeah.
[00:06:25]  Well, also, criminals, I don't know what comes first sometimes.
[00:06:28]  I think the personality comes first.
[00:06:31]  You know, I think that personality, that proclivity, whatever it is to, you know, like Roger Reeves, right?
[00:06:37]  Pablo Escobar's main cocaine pilot.
[00:06:40]  Like, what is it about?
[00:06:42]  There's something in him.
[00:06:45]  An angst, an energy that is just in him naturally that made him want to, like, you know, go be a bad boy, go, you know, step outside of like norms.
[00:06:56]  That's because that's what being in prison, that's what breaking the law is.
[00:06:59]  It's like it's antisocial behavior.
[00:07:03]  So that's kind of in all of us, I think.
[00:07:07]  But prison either makes you worse, makes you really go further into the darkness, or it makes you channel that.
[00:07:16]  Anti social inclination into something positive.
[00:07:21]  So it made me want to go into show business and become a stand up comedian.
[00:07:25]  That's definitely anti social, you know?
[00:07:27]  Like, that's not normal either.
[00:07:29]  You know what I mean?
[00:07:30]  Like, neither is podcasting.
[00:07:31]  No.
[00:07:32]  Right?
[00:07:32]  Yeah, for sure.
[00:07:32]  Like, your parents are like, what the fuck is this?
[00:07:34]  You know?
[00:07:36]  This is a job.
[00:07:37]  But so, so yeah, that's, I think it comes first.
[00:07:40]  I think that being interesting, prison doesn't make you interesting, gives you interesting stories, but you end up in there because.
[00:07:47]  You have something different about you.
[00:07:49]  Yeah.
[00:07:49]  Roger's a very unique case, I think.
[00:07:51]  He's interesting.
[00:07:52]  I mean, he is like, he's such a soft, spoken, polite gentleman.
[00:07:57]  Yeah.
[00:07:57]  But the guy's escaped prison like eight times.
[00:07:59]  Yeah.
[00:08:00]  He's been in Mexican jail getting tortured almost to death.
[00:08:03]  Hey, fucking wild.

=== Escaped Prison Eight Times (05:40) ===

[00:08:06]  Unbelievable.
[00:08:06]  So, in your early years, how did you get into drug trafficking?
[00:08:12]  Well, I started out at drug dealing, right?
[00:08:14]  Just like from the bottom, like everybody.
[00:08:18]  Pretty much everybody, unless you're like the son of a Mexican kingpin and you kind of just get handed it down to you.
[00:08:24]  In America, everybody starts just with hand to hand sales.
[00:08:27]  So, you know, it was the early 2000s.
[00:08:31]  And it was just kind of the culture in the Northwest and in California on the West Coast.
[00:08:37]  That was where the revolution happened, where in the 90s, bud weed started to be grown en masse in Northern California, Southern Oregon.
[00:08:49]  And it kind of started to replace the Mexican marijuana that dominated the U.S. market up until then.
[00:08:57]  So we were on the precipice of that.
[00:08:59]  So weed was abundant, it was cheap.
[00:09:02]  And it was just a way for high school kids to make money.
[00:09:04]  It was like I describe the green rush of that era of the early 2000s as like the crack boom of the 80s for black people in the ghetto.
[00:09:16]  Like everybody was involved with it somehow.
[00:09:18]  I knew multiple people that went away for selling the shit.
[00:09:23]  So that's just kind of how it started.
[00:09:25]  I wanted to smoke weed for free and I always wanted to.
[00:09:28]  I was fascinated with it, to be honest with you.
[00:09:30]  I was always like, I think that's.
[00:09:34]  The show, The Connect, that I do now, I think that is my fascination with it.
[00:09:41]  I've always been fascinated.
[00:09:42]  I would see people, older people, older brothers of people that I went to school with, making a living from selling pot.
[00:09:50]  I'm like, how do they do this?
[00:09:53]  I thought you had to be Scarface to make money selling drugs.
[00:09:59]  How do you get the money to buy?
[00:10:01]  How do you find people to buy the drugs?
[00:10:03]  How do you find people to sell you the drugs?
[00:10:05]  It was like, it was this fascinating.
[00:10:07]  The underworld was fascinating because, like, drug dealing is like magic.
[00:10:14]  I say that in one of my episodes.
[00:10:15]  They used to call the Colombian cocaine kingpins of the 70s, majicos, magicians.
[00:10:20]  Like, how do you just take this thing and just turn it into money?
[00:10:23]  How does the street bring you back money?
[00:10:26]  It was like, it's like the invisible hand.
[00:10:28]  So I was, yeah.
[00:10:30]  So I just wanted to see how far I could go with it.
[00:10:33]  So I was just started off just like buying ounces.
[00:10:35]  You know, dishing them off to my friends, losing money.
[00:10:38]  I lost money for years, or I would make like almost no money.
[00:10:42]  So it was like business.
[00:10:43]  It was like it was having a small business and it just kept growing very steadily.
[00:10:50]  And we would have setbacks and robberies and police raids and all manner of crazy shit.
[00:10:57]  And yeah, I didn't make, you know, I didn't get rich until, you know, my last two years before I fell, before I got locked up.
[00:11:04]  And that's when you're getting into cocaine and stuff.
[00:11:06]  Yeah, but I didn't get rich selling Coke.
[00:11:08]  I got rich moving pot.
[00:11:09]  Really?
[00:11:10]  Yeah.
[00:11:10]  Oh, yeah.
[00:11:12]  Yeah.
[00:11:12]  The markup is, it's hard to make a lot of money selling Coke.
[00:11:17]  It's hard to make a lot of money selling Coke.
[00:11:18]  I thought it was the opposite.
[00:11:20]  You can make good money selling small amounts of Coke, but to get rich selling Coke, I mean, think about it.
[00:11:29]  If I could make $1,000 profit per pound, it's feasible.
[00:11:35]  It's easy.
[00:11:36]  Not easy, but it's much easier.
[00:11:40]  To sell 20 pounds of weed a week than it is to sell, I don't know, 10 kilos of Coke a week.
[00:11:48]  Because way more people smoke pot than they use Coke, right?
[00:11:51]  Right.
[00:11:51]  So, I mean, depending on where you're at, though, right?
[00:11:54]  Like, depending on what city you're in or what country.
[00:11:56]  But I was moving it all over the country.
[00:11:58]  But you were based in Northern California.
[00:12:00]  I was based in Portland, Oregon.
[00:12:02]  So I was shipping it to New Jersey, upstate New York.
[00:12:05]  Oh, you were shipping most of it?
[00:12:06]  Yeah, Florida, Oklahoma, Philadelphia, right?
[00:12:11]  So it was Chicago.
[00:12:13]  And this was in the era, this was a very unique era where we could get wholesale weed cheap.
[00:12:20]  And the markup on the East Coast and the Midwest was insane.
[00:12:24]  And we knew that was coming to an end.
[00:12:26]  So that's why we were like, we got to, before they start legalizing this shit and prices start to fall, like we have to, We got to make millions now.
[00:12:34]  It was, it was, it felt like, it felt like how the mob must have felt in the 20s, like the Chicago mob.
[00:12:40]  They were like, they can't keep booze illegal forever.
[00:12:45]  They can't even keep it illegal for a long time.
[00:12:46]  Like, this is insane.
[00:12:47]  Everybody needs to drink.
[00:12:49]  It's the only way ugly people fuck.
[00:12:51]  It's the only way, it's the only way most people get together and procreate, get through their shitty jobs.
[00:12:57]  We got to get rich now.
[00:12:58]  And that's what they did.
[00:12:59]  So that's, that's kind of how I felt.
[00:13:02]  I was like, this is, This is a very unique historical moment where a guy like me, who's not really, I was never part of a drug cartel.
[00:13:11]  I would re up from multiple sources.
[00:13:14]  Some of them were cartel growers.
[00:13:17]  And I, but I wasn't connected.
[00:13:19]  I wasn't a killer.
[00:13:20]  I never carried a gun usually.
[00:13:22]  And I could just go, I was just a small businessman who could make a million dollars a year plus just with this, like, you know, I didn't feel like it was a huge trade, right?
[00:13:35]  80, 100 pounds a month.
[00:13:37]  Could make me a million bucks at how old?
[00:13:40]  22, 23 years old.
[00:13:41]  22, making a million bucks a year.
[00:13:42]  Imagine making just 80, 90, 000 a month, just clean.

=== Million Dollars At Twenty Two (04:27) ===

[00:13:47]  You don't know what to do with that kind of money.
[00:13:49]  You don't, you don't know where to hide it.
[00:13:51]  You don't know how to act.
[00:13:53]  I mean, no, that's insane, too.
[00:13:56]  When you have that much money at such a young age, yeah, that you up.
[00:14:00]  Yeah, totally.
[00:14:01]  It hooked me for life, dude.
[00:14:03]  It hooked me for fun with that kind of money at such a young age.
[00:14:06]  I would just, or were you just working 24/7?
[00:14:08]  I was working 24/7.
[00:14:10]  I was working 24 7.
[00:14:12]  I was flying to, but I would go everywhere, right?
[00:14:14]  Like I would go to New York City for the weekend and just be walking around Midtown Manhattan, staying in like, you know, luxury hotels, luxury suites with like, you know, Chinese businessmen.
[00:14:28]  And I was dressed in sweatpants and like a fucking, you know, a backwards hat.
[00:14:33]  And I got 50 grand on me in cash.
[00:14:35]  Like, you know what I mean?
[00:14:36]  It was a superpower.
[00:14:37]  Just shit like that.
[00:14:39]  You know?
[00:14:39]  I could go to Columbia.
[00:14:41]  And whenever I wanted, I could go.
[00:14:44]  I could just do anything, go anywhere.
[00:14:46]  That's mainly it.
[00:14:47]  You know, like I didn't, I was never ostentatious with my money because I always, you know, I saw the future.
[00:14:52]  I'm like, this is a golden goose.
[00:14:56]  Don't fuck this up.
[00:14:57]  Like, I need to stash this money and flip it into something legit after I get out of the game.
[00:15:05]  The problem is, I could never get out of the game.
[00:15:07]  It just keeps bringing you back, keeps luring you back.
[00:15:10]  I'm like, oh, 1 million is good, but 2 has got such a nice ring to it.
[00:15:14]  What were you doing with all the cash?
[00:15:16]  Like, where was I putting it?
[00:15:17]  Yeah.
[00:15:18]  Well, what was your plan?
[00:15:19]  Were you like buying real estate?
[00:15:20]  The plan was to start because this was like the advent of Amazon really becoming, you know, 2009, 2010.
[00:15:28]  It was like the advent of like online commerce, so e commerce.
[00:15:32]  So, the plan was to like just start buying shit in cash and then reselling it online and legitimizing it, right?
[00:15:40]  Making a company around it, taking that profit, right?
[00:15:43]  Declaring it, paying tax on it.
[00:15:46]  And that's how you get the money in the system.
[00:15:48]  Okay.
[00:15:48]  And then using that laundered money to buy real estate, buy other cash businesses, et cetera.
[00:15:55]  So here's the thing like, when you buy a house, for example, the easiest example, and you have to fucking go to the bank or you go to a mortgage broker, you got to show them your bank account.
[00:16:05]  You got to show them your records.
[00:16:06]  Where does that money come from?
[00:16:07]  How many people are paying you each month?
[00:16:09]  Right.
[00:16:09]  Where does that, like, so how do you justify all these cash deposits?
[00:16:13]  Well, that's exactly why I had set up a company, right?
[00:16:19]  And then I was buying goods, you know, sneakers.
[00:16:23]  Right.
[00:16:23]  This was the beginning of.
[00:16:24]  So I would buy, you know, a pair of Nikes, you know, Portland is the headquarters, Nike headquarters there.
[00:16:30]  So I'd buy, you know, some Nike shoes and then I would just resell them online on eBay to, you know, some guys in Japan for like a, you know, 500% markup.
[00:16:40]  And boom, you take that money.
[00:16:42]  That money's run through your company.
[00:16:45]  So that's legit.
[00:16:46]  That looks like legit money and you pay taxes on it.
[00:16:50]  So the only sketchy part is how did you get the money to buy the shoes in the first place?
[00:16:54]  Yes.
[00:16:54]  That's the big, that's the rub.
[00:16:57]  But that's.
[00:16:57]  What's the hardest to prove?
[00:17:00]  Also, I feel like I'm giving your.
[00:17:03]  Right.
[00:17:03]  I feel like I'm giving your.
[00:17:04]  So, what do you do about that?
[00:17:05]  A lesson on that.
[00:17:06]  Well, there's nothing.
[00:17:08]  There's no foolproof way to launder money.
[00:17:11]  There's no foolproof way to do crime.
[00:17:14]  But yeah, that's so.
[00:17:16]  Yeah, in theory, they could go if the IRS wanted to look deep enough, they could say, well, how'd you get the money to buy this and this and this?
[00:17:23]  And then you wouldn't really have an answer.
[00:17:25]  But also, they don't really have an answer.
[00:17:28]  Right.
[00:17:29]  It's why they can never put people they convict of like tax fraud away for too long because the burden of proof is on the state or the federal government to convict you.
[00:17:40]  So most of that is circumstantial.
[00:17:43]  So that's why I always try to keep the money and the drugs separate because if you busted me with a bunch of money or you, or, you know, I got audited by the IRS and just like you said, they said, well, how did you get $10,000 to buy, you know, all these like, whatever designer purses that you were going to resell?
[00:18:01]  Well, sure, maybe I don't have an answer, but you don't either.
[00:18:05]  And it's your job to, and if you can't link drugs or illegal activity to that money, well, you're probably just going to give me a fine.

=== Tax Fraud Burden Of Proof (11:46) ===

[00:18:14]  It's probably what it's going to be.
[00:18:15]  Or if it's an egregious amount of money that I haven't declared, then there might be some prison time.
[00:18:20]  But it's not going to be like they can't make a RICO trial out of that if they can't link illegal activity to that money.
[00:18:28]  And I guess the example I made with loans and mortgages, it doesn't really.
[00:18:33]  matter if you're just buying shit with cash.
[00:18:35]  If you're going to somebody and buying their house just with a fucking bunch of cash, you don't have to worry about any of that.
[00:18:40]  Right, right.
[00:18:41]  But how are you going to buy a $300,000 house with cash?
[00:18:44]  That's, that's, you might know that better than I do.
[00:18:48]  I'm asking you.
[00:18:49]  I'd like to know.
[00:18:51]  I'm in the market.
[00:18:52]  Well, you tried to buy a house in Colombia.
[00:18:55]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:18:55]  But I know, but the scam there was you couldn't even do it in Colombia at this point.
[00:19:02]  You know, like their money laundering laws, because they've been, you know, influenced by the U.S. for So long now, right?
[00:19:08]  So they have relatively strict money laundering laws too.
[00:19:11]  But my plan was because I wanted to buy a hotel because at this time, this was, yeah, 2010, Colombia is starting to blow up as like a tourist destination.
[00:19:21]  So is this like when you, before you actually moved down there?
[00:19:28]  This is at the same time.
[00:19:29]  Okay.
[00:19:29]  So this is the first time you went down there.
[00:19:30]  Exactly.
[00:19:31]  I would spend a lot of time down there.
[00:19:33]  I would come, I would go back and forth.
[00:19:34]  I have a good friend who lived there for years.
[00:19:36]  He met his wife there.
[00:19:37]  Yeah.
[00:19:37]  It's the best place.
[00:19:38]  Lived in Medellin for like, Probably 15 years.
[00:19:40]  Oh, wow, dude.
[00:19:41]  He's a straight Paisa at that point.
[00:19:43]  That's insane, dude.
[00:19:46]  I couldn't live there long term.
[00:19:47]  I'm too tall.
[00:19:48]  I stick out too much.
[00:19:49]  I swear to God, that's the reason.
[00:19:51]  I'm way too tall.
[00:19:53]  You're just at 6'6, you're bopping around Columbia.
[00:19:56]  You just, I don't know.
[00:19:58]  I just always felt like there just could be a bullet that could just fly out and fucking hit me.
[00:20:02]  You know what I mean?
[00:20:03]  Like, I just, I never feel totally, and maybe I just seen too many movies.
[00:20:07]  Maybe I just met too many, you know, gangsters, right?
[00:20:11]  That's probably what it is.
[00:20:12]  But I don't feel, even though people are like, oh, it's so safe.
[00:20:16]  It's Columbia and everything's changed.
[00:20:18]  I'm like, uh, I know for a fact it hasn't.
[00:20:21]  So I was always kind of paranoid.
[00:20:23]  But yeah, I would go down there and I had this idea to buy a hotel on the coast in Cartagena and actually this town called Santa Marta, which is like an hour or so outside of Cartagena.
[00:20:37]  And if I, man, this was like the perfect, like getting in early on like a booming like tourist economy.
[00:20:44]  So what I was going to do was I was going to buy the.
[00:20:48]  Have you bought hotels and shit before now?
[00:20:49]  Like anywhere?
[00:20:50]  No, no, no, no.
[00:20:51]  This was going to be the first foray into it.
[00:20:53]  But I had some guys who were going to run it for me who I'd met traveling, actually, like a couple of Americans who wanted to live there.
[00:21:00]  So I was like, perfect.
[00:21:01]  I'll joint venture because I don't want to run this shit.
[00:21:03]  You guys run it, live here.
[00:21:06]  You know what I mean?
[00:21:07]  Make sure everything's profitable.
[00:21:09]  So the way we were going to do it was they wanted the guy who was going to help me buy it.
[00:21:14]  He was a money launderer.
[00:21:15]  He wanted to basically, this is how it was set up.
[00:21:22]  The buy price of the hotel was 300 grand.
[00:21:25]  And he was going to charge me $100,000 on top of that to do the laundering, to do the washing.
[00:21:31]  He had a contact in the United States, right?
[00:21:35]  He had a Colombian guy who worked with him on the East Coast.
[00:21:39]  So he said, What you're going to do is just bring him cash.
[00:21:42]  You're going to bring him the money.
[00:21:44]  And then I'm going to buy with my own money in Colombia.
[00:21:48]  I'm going to buy this hotel for you.
[00:21:50]  And then I'm, once I know that I have my contact has your dollars in the States.
[00:21:56]  I'm just going to transfer the deed of trust over to you.
[00:21:59]  See what I mean?
[00:22:00]  Super clean that one.
[00:22:01]  And he was charging you 100 grand just to do this?
[00:22:02]  Yes.
[00:22:03]  Okay.
[00:22:03]  Yes.
[00:22:04]  I was going to say, because I don't think I caught that on your episode.
[00:22:07]  So I was immediately like, why the fuck is this guy doing this for you for nothing?
[00:22:11]  Like, I would immediately be so suspicious of that.
[00:22:13]  Yeah.
[00:22:13]  No.
[00:22:13]  Just make it 100 grand.
[00:22:14]  Yeah.
[00:22:15]  Absolutely.
[00:22:16]  Absolutely.
[00:22:16]  This is what this guy does.
[00:22:17]  Okay.
[00:22:18]  So, so yeah, that's just like a very clean way, right?
[00:22:22]  Like, if you have, you know, the Colombians have a diaspora in New York, in Queens.
[00:22:26]  And so you just take, you know, you take a foreigner's cash.
[00:22:29]  What'd you call it?
[00:22:30]  Diaspora.
[00:22:31]  So they have like, yeah.
[00:22:32]  So they have a big Colombian community in New York and on the East Coast.
[00:22:37]  Okay.
[00:22:37]  So they have a lot of drug traffickers coming over there originally from the 70s.
[00:22:41]  A lot of them stayed.
[00:22:42]  So they have a lot of communication back and forth.
[00:22:45]  They got a lot of criminal activity going in and out, you know, from Cali, Medellin to Queens, you know?
[00:22:52]  Okay.
[00:22:53]  Yeah.
[00:22:53]  They still smuggle drugs from Colombia directly to the States.
[00:22:56]  They just don't do it en masse.
[00:22:58]  Most of it goes through Mexico, you know?
[00:23:01]  You know, I met girls that had like were mules that would swallow pellets of coke.
[00:23:06]  You know, they braid them into their hair.
[00:23:08]  They, you know, they make the pellets like dark and they fit them inside of these girls like weaves and they walk through the airport that way.
[00:23:17]  You know, people wrap through Miami.
[00:23:20]  Yeah.
[00:23:21]  No, or wherever, right?
[00:23:22]  Whatever airport they're flying through.
[00:23:24]  But, you know, I heard of one guy that had like wrapped like his little niece, his little like four year old niece, you know, it's.
[00:23:34]  Stuffed some cocaine in her teddy bear, wrapped it around her legs and shit.
[00:23:37]  I mean, they're just throwing the book at it.
[00:23:39]  That's a good idea.
[00:23:40]  It is a good idea.
[00:23:41]  Or people aren't going to be searching babies for old people too.
[00:23:44]  They do that with like infirm people that are in wheelchairs, right?
[00:23:47]  They build them inside of the wheelchair.
[00:23:50]  Yeah.
[00:23:51]  So they're less likely to be searched.
[00:23:53]  But you can't get weight in.
[00:23:54]  Like that's really, it's difficult to scale a business doing stuff like that.
[00:23:59]  Cause how many kilos can you really fit around, you know, a little girl's legs?
[00:24:04]  A couple of them, maybe.
[00:24:06]  I've heard some horror stories about people like putting them in like pellets and then swallowing them and then busting it.
[00:24:12]  Oh, God, dude.
[00:24:13]  Brutal, right?
[00:24:14]  Fuck.
[00:24:15]  Brutal way to go.
[00:24:16]  Imagine.
[00:24:17]  Fuck no, dude.
[00:24:18]  There's it will be great at first when that shit first hits you.
[00:24:23]  You're like, damn.
[00:24:23]  Yeah, the first two seconds.
[00:24:25]  Fuck.
[00:24:25]  Uh oh, a little too high.
[00:24:29]  Oh man.
[00:24:30]  Yeah.
[00:24:30]  Yeah.
[00:24:31]  Maria Full of Grace.
[00:24:32]  That's the classic movie about that.
[00:24:35]  Have you seen that?
[00:24:35]  I don't think I've seen that.
[00:24:36]  Oh, it's a great movie.
[00:24:38]  And it's about, you know, impoverished girls from the campo, from the countryside in Colombia.
[00:24:44]  Um, And they get approached by a guy, right?
[00:24:47]  And they're hard up.
[00:24:48]  You know, one of them just found out she's pregnant.
[00:24:50]  I mean, this is, you know, obviously you're not going to swallow cocaine pellets unless you really are desperate.
[00:24:56]  Right.
[00:24:57]  Yeah.
[00:24:59]  And it's just about their experience, you know, swallowing shit and flying into New York.
[00:25:04]  And yeah, it's a dirty, dirty game, man.
[00:25:07]  It's a dirty game.
[00:25:09]  So when you met this guy who was helping you go to New York and pay the guy in New York, the cash, the 300 grand cash, and then, He was going to buy this hotel for you.
[00:25:20]  Yeah.
[00:25:21]  What happened when you went and met the guys in New York and gave them the cash?
[00:25:24]  Well, I never even got around to it because that guy ended up getting the guy in Columbia, the guy who was laundering my money ended up getting killed.
[00:25:31]  So he never even went through with it.
[00:25:32]  Oh, my.
[00:25:33]  Yeah.
[00:25:34]  Yeah.
[00:25:34]  How wild is that?
[00:25:35]  So I could have, and that was some totally like separate shit, but I could have, and I tried to call down to figure out what happened.
[00:25:44]  They think that that guy, that money launderer, Was also either like a DEA agent or he was like working for an opposing cartel, was like playing both sides.
[00:25:55]  Cause a lot of these money launderers, they deal with a bunch of different cartels' money.
[00:25:59]  You know what I mean?
[00:26:00]  Yeah.
[00:26:01]  And, um, and so, you know, he might have been informing on a different cartel, like playing both sides, like giving up information.
[00:26:07]  So, you know, who knows?
[00:26:09]  But I, I dodged a huge figurative and literal bullet with that, I think.
[00:26:14]  And you were banging his wife.
[00:26:17]  Damn, dude.
[00:26:18]  Damn, dude.
[00:26:19]  Why you had to bring that up, Danny?
[00:26:22]  It wasn't his wife.
[00:26:24]  It was his fiance, dude.
[00:26:25]  Oh, it was his fiance.
[00:26:27]  It's different.
[00:26:27]  Oh, that's fair game.
[00:26:28]  The guy was a scumbag.
[00:26:29]  The guy was a real scumbag.
[00:26:31]  Hey, you don't have to justify.
[00:26:32]  He was a.
[00:26:32]  And I fuck so good.
[00:26:34]  I'm not judging you.
[00:26:37]  Yeah.
[00:26:39]  So his fiance was, you know, all the criminals, it's passed down through the family.
[00:26:46]  So the girl that I, his fiance, the girl I was, you know, running around with, she, you know, her uncles are part of a big.
[00:26:55]  You know, drug trafficking organization down there.
[00:26:58]  You know, it's all very incestuous.
[00:27:01]  So, yeah, it was fucking surreal.
[00:27:05]  I was like, I started out as a middle class kid from Portland, Oregon, selling dime sacks, little fucking gram bags, a pot.
[00:27:14]  And now here I am, like running around with like kingpins.
[00:27:19]  Right.
[00:27:20]  It was, yeah, dude.
[00:27:22]  You get what you wish for.
[00:27:24]  You really, you really like become who you want to be.
[00:27:28]  And that's, I realized even negatively, I'm like, wow, I really like in a certain way, I wanted this.
[00:27:35]  And now I had it.
[00:27:36]  And I was like, this is a bad feeling.
[00:27:38]  That's when I realized I wasn't a gangster, was like when that happened.
[00:27:42]  When you talked about getting in the taxi cab and then agreeing to put a blindfold on, I was kind of like thinking, I was like, I think I would have turned around at that point.
[00:27:52]  I don't know if I would have gone.
[00:27:53]  Yeah, it was inertia.
[00:27:55]  It was inertia.
[00:27:57]  It was forward moving energy.
[00:28:01]  Yeah, that was crazy.
[00:28:03]  I'm actually going back to Columbia next month and I'm trying to get an interview with some of the people from La Oficina, that organization.
[00:28:11]  Really?
[00:28:11]  Yeah.
[00:28:12]  And that's in a neighborhood called.
[00:28:15]  In Medellin.
[00:28:16]  And it's a pretty nice neighborhood, but we were in a slum part of it.
[00:28:20]  And I didn't know this at the time, but I looked into it further.
[00:28:22]  I'm like, oh, that's where they took me.
[00:28:25]  And it was, that's just standard procedure.
[00:28:27]  Like Colombians are good business people.
[00:28:29]  Okay.
[00:28:29]  Like they're not, you know, these bloodthirsty people, they have no reason to kill a tourist, right?
[00:28:34]  Like they brought me to a trap house and they were like, yeah, how much money you got to spend?
[00:28:39]  And I'm like, I could, how much drugs you got to sell me?
[00:28:43]  I got plenty of money.
[00:28:44]  Right.
[00:28:44]  So I wasn't, and I knew.
[00:28:45]  But you weren't planning on selling drugs, though, when you went down there.
[00:28:48]  No, no, no.
[00:28:48]  I was just having a good time.
[00:28:49]  I was just having a good time.
[00:28:51]  And I was like, oh, whoa.
[00:28:53]  How much for a kilo of blow?
[00:28:54]  Why not?
[00:28:56]  How much was it for a kilo?
[00:28:58]  It was for, there were two kinds.
[00:29:00]  There was the pedico, which is the stepped on kind.
[00:29:04]  And then there was the pure shit.
[00:29:06]  And I think I paid $2,000.
[00:29:08]  Like I bought the pedico, which is a little stepped on.
[00:29:11]  Oh, pedico means it's stepped on?
[00:29:12]  That's how they refer to it.
[00:29:14]  Yeah.
[00:29:14]  Because here, Mexicans just call pedico coke.
[00:29:16]  Yeah, exactly.
[00:29:17]  It's just, It's, uh, it's, that's just a, uh, across the board term for Coke.
[00:29:21]  But, uh, in Medellin, Pedico is, uh, is shit that's like a little cut.
[00:29:25]  So I was like, give me that.
[00:29:26]  And it was $2,000 for a key.
[00:29:28]  That's $2 a gram.
[00:29:29]  A thousand grams for $2,000.
[00:29:32]  I bet that was 10 times better than anything you'll find.
[00:29:34]  Absolutely.
[00:29:35]  Absolutely.
[00:29:35]  Yeah.
[00:29:37]  Yeah.
[00:29:37]  So I was like, give me that because I had sold Coke before and I'm like, I don't want shit that's going to, uh, like, I want shit that's a little, that's not going to keep people up like it's meth.
[00:29:48]  You know what I mean?
[00:29:48]  Like, I want it, I want shit that's going to really like, Like, give people a smooth landing.
[00:29:53]  So I was like, Yeah, give me that.
[00:29:55]  You know?
[00:29:56]  Yeah.
[00:29:57]  Oh, that's hilarious, dude.
[00:29:58]  That's wild, bro.
[00:29:59]  Yeah.

=== Sinaloa Cartel Weed Market (15:29) ===

[00:30:00]  So, how are the dealers there in Colombia different from in Mexico?
[00:30:08]  Great question.
[00:30:09]  Well, they're much more customer service oriented.
[00:30:14]  I'll tell you that much.
[00:30:16]  They're very, Colombians are great business people and they're very friendly people.
[00:30:21]  And they really, unlike Mexicans who, By the way, I love Mexico and I love Mexicans.
[00:30:28]  They don't give a fuck about Americans, gringos.
[00:30:32]  There's this, like, it's almost an animosity.
[00:30:35]  It's almost an animosity because, you know, with so many different ways over the last 100, 150 years, since really the history of the state of Mexico, America's been more or less fucking them.
[00:30:47]  You know, from how we stole their land, Texas, to, you know, the free trade agreements that fuck the farmers, right?
[00:30:55]  There's some things that, The US has done to Mexico and they just are very prideful people.
[00:30:59]  They remember, they don't forget.
[00:31:01]  So, Operation, what was that?
[00:31:03]  Operation Fast and the Furious.
[00:31:04]  Right, right.
[00:31:06]  Yeah, under Obama, right?
[00:31:08]  Under Obama.
[00:31:08]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:31:09]  But that just scratches the surface, dude.
[00:31:11]  That's happening.
[00:31:12]  That's killed like that.
[00:31:13]  Those guns killed like thousands of Mexicans.
[00:31:16]  Tens of thousands of people, for sure.
[00:31:18]  Insane.
[00:31:18]  For sure.
[00:31:19]  Well, dude, you know what's so crazy?
[00:31:21]  We, when we were down there filming two weeks ago in Sinaloa, was that when I talked to you on the phone?
[00:31:26]  Oh, maybe.
[00:31:27]  With Roger?
[00:31:28]  Yes, that's right.
[00:31:29]  We were in Sinaloa.
[00:31:30]  You said you were like in a graveyard or something.
[00:31:32]  We were on our way to a narco graveyard.
[00:31:34]  Oh, yeah.
[00:31:35]  And we were not supposed to be there, by the way.
[00:31:37]  They were like, this is how wild Sinaloa is.
[00:31:41]  Culiacan, Sinaloa is like how Cali, Colombia was in the 90s in the way that the cartel has eyes on everybody.
[00:31:51]  Right.
[00:31:51]  Like, as soon as we got off the plane, our escort, our guide was like, Yeah, they know you're here.
[00:31:56]  They have people working at the airport, they have people working at the rental car company, they have people working at the hotel where we're staying, Hotel Lucerna, right?
[00:32:03]  So, every time you leave, probably what somebody does is they just pick the phone up and they just give whoever the, you know, that area manager is a call, be like, The gringos are on the move.
[00:32:14]  Right.
[00:32:15]  So we were not supposed to go and film at this graveyard because it's supposed to be like it's really off limits because it's a narco graveyard.
[00:32:24]  It's where, you know, the big drug cartel kingpins that get killed or, you know, whatever bosses or, you know.
[00:32:30]  Yeah.
[00:32:30]  They celebrate that.
[00:32:31]  Like, yes.
[00:32:32]  The dead are like a very celebratory thing in Mexico.
[00:32:35]  Totally.
[00:32:36]  Totally.
[00:32:36]  Absolutely.
[00:32:37]  But we weren't supposed to go there, especially not without like a Mexican escort with us.
[00:32:42]  Right.
[00:32:42]  And so we were like, well, we're definitely going to go there still.
[00:32:45]  And so we went there.
[00:32:48]  And as soon as we got back, our guy Luis, who's been on this podcast, Luis Chabato.
[00:32:53]  You were with Luis?
[00:32:54]  I was with Luis from Vice News.
[00:32:56]  Yes.
[00:32:56]  Luis was like, Yeah, man, they knew you went to that graveyard.
[00:33:01]  Dude, you.
[00:33:02]  I was like, I was like, that gave me fucking chills.
[00:33:06]  They're like, Yeah, they know you went there.
[00:33:08]  It's okay, but they knew you went there.
[00:33:10]  I was like, What?
[00:33:11]  Oh, my God.
[00:33:12]  I was like, What the fuck?
[00:33:15]  Yeah, bro.
[00:33:15]  They got so, so they called the Collie Cartel.
[00:33:19]  The KGB cartel because they spied on their own people like the Soviet KGB would spy on citizens, like under communist Russia.
[00:33:30]  That's how it is in Culiacan, right?
[00:33:32]  So that shit's nuts.
[00:33:33]  I don't know how I got on that subject.
[00:33:35]  Oh, yeah.
[00:33:35]  So Mexicans, but basically, the difference between the Colombian dealers is that they're actively trying to sell tourists high quality coke, high quality drugs.
[00:33:48]  Okay.
[00:33:48]  Because they like the tourist dollars.
[00:33:49]  They want you to come back.
[00:33:51]  Whereas in Mexico, That's not the case.
[00:33:54]  They just, because it's so firmly controlled by just a couple of cartels now that they, they step you, they sell you.
[00:34:03]  If you go to Puerto Vallarta, you can't find good Coke because it's all stepped on because they're like, this is for the tourists.
[00:34:08]  We keep the good shit for ourselves.
[00:34:10]  Yeah, that's the difference.
[00:34:11]  That's the difference.
[00:34:12]  But Colombians are like, yeah, come on.
[00:34:13]  We want you to, because we know if we sell you the best shit, you're going to come back and you're going to tell your friends in Australia and they're going to come, you know?
[00:34:22]  Yeah, aren't the, uh, it's, The tourist areas like Cancun, Puerto Vallarta, Cabo, those are all run by cartels or all cartel owned areas, right?
[00:34:36]  The hotels and the resorts, they all have an interest in them for sure.
[00:34:39]  They all, for sure, either maybe it's not a direct interest, but it's like how the mob used to give loans out to casino owners in Vegas, right?
[00:34:49]  That's kind of how it is.
[00:34:50]  Yeah.
[00:34:51]  Yeah, I can definitely see that the way the culture.
[00:34:55]  Thinks of Americans in Mexico versus the way they think about Americans in Colombia.
[00:35:00]  It's got to be so different.
[00:35:01]  That's got to play a huge part in that.
[00:35:03]  Totally.
[00:35:03]  Because Colombians don't, you know, Americans are new to Colombia and they're new to places like Peru, relatively, right?
[00:35:11]  So it's kind of like, you know, we're kind of sexy to them or we're kind of cool to them.
[00:35:15]  You know, Mexicans are so familiar with it, they just know what it is.
[00:35:19]  So we would ask, you know, Mexicans about how do you feel about like fentanyl killing off Americans?
[00:35:25]  They were like, well, it's, you guys asked for it.
[00:35:27]  Right.
[00:35:28]  I'm like, well, Chapo kind of, we did ask for it, but he kind of started the thing that made everybody start asking for it.
[00:35:37]  You know, like there was, they invented the fentanyl market basically back in 2016.
[00:35:44]  So, but anyways, but that's kind of how they see us.
[00:35:46]  You know, I would ask people, how, what do you think of Americans?
[00:35:48]  Didn't the Chinese give them that?
[00:35:50]  Didn't they introduce them to that?
[00:35:51]  They, they, I don't know if they introduced them.
[00:35:54]  That would be a question for Luis, but they're the ones who sell them the precursor chemicals for sure.
[00:35:58]  Right.
[00:35:58]  The chemists that, Taught them how to use it.
[00:36:00]  Right, right.
[00:36:01]  Perhaps.
[00:36:01]  Yeah.
[00:36:02]  Could have, dude.
[00:36:03]  I mean, we can link this all.
[00:36:04]  We can go back to China and they haven't forgotten the opium wars.
[00:36:07]  Exactly.
[00:36:08]  From the 1830s, the 1850s.
[00:36:11]  Right.
[00:36:11]  So when we go, when Biden goes over there.
[00:36:13]  But that was mainly the British, wasn't it?
[00:36:16]  Yeah.
[00:36:17]  But you lump it in with America because, you know, Teddy Roosevelt's grandfather was an American.
[00:36:25]  That's how he got rich, was participating in the opium wars.
[00:36:29]  So, yeah.
[00:36:31]  So they haven't forgotten either.
[00:36:33]  So it's coming back to roost.
[00:36:34]  But, you know, Mexicans, I asked this one guy.
[00:36:38]  He was a bodyguard for El Mayo Zambada.
[00:36:41]  He was like.
[00:36:42]  Oh, is that who you talked to when you were down there?
[00:36:43]  That was one of the groups we talked to.
[00:36:45]  Yeah.
[00:36:45]  We talked to several different, you know, families or something.
[00:36:48]  How did you get in contact with the bodyguards of El Mayo Zambada?
[00:36:51]  Yeah.
[00:36:52]  Luis.
[00:36:52]  Luis put you in touch with Luis.
[00:36:54]  Luis had a guy on the ground.
[00:36:56]  Yeah, I'll shout him out.
[00:36:58]  His name's El Enfermo.
[00:37:00]  And he's a trap rapper.
[00:37:02]  He's like a trap rapper.
[00:37:03]  What?
[00:37:03]  Trap rapper.
[00:37:04]  They call it.
[00:37:05]  Does he have an Instagram?
[00:37:06]  Yes, of course.
[00:37:09]  It's like trap music.
[00:37:10]  It's like Mexican trap music.
[00:37:12]  It's dope.
[00:37:13]  He's really fucking good.
[00:37:14]  Yeah.
[00:37:14]  So he would bring us around and he met some of these guys.
[00:37:18]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:37:19]  It was fucking cool.
[00:37:21]  They didn't let us film him on camera, though.
[00:37:23]  That's what I.
[00:37:23]  No.
[00:37:24]  No, you got to have money.
[00:37:25]  That's how that works down there.
[00:37:26]  If you have enough money, you can get these guys to put masks on and carry their guns around and just do an interview with you.
[00:37:33]  But if you don't have the.
[00:37:34]  You don't have the coin, it's uh, it's pretty difficult because they're like, Why?
[00:37:38]  I don't need to, what for your stupid YouTube show?
[00:37:40]  Like, I don't need to be on camera, right?
[00:37:42]  What does this do for me, right?
[00:37:44]  So, was unless they have a YouTube channel, was Louise, right?
[00:37:48]  Was Louise actually with you, or was he just like setting this all up on the phone?
[00:37:51]  No, he was with us.
[00:37:52]  Oh, no, yeah, bro, yeah.
[00:37:54]  We were down there filming, uh, like he was down there documenting how, uh, the Sinaloa cartel has moved in on like the legal weed market, more or less, like weed's about to become legal down there.
[00:38:07]  So, they've opened all these dispensaries.
[00:38:09]  I feel like I'm stealing Luis's scoop right now.
[00:38:12]  What they've done is opened up dispensaries all throughout Culiacan, which is the capital of Sinaloa.
[00:38:19]  And so it looks like LA.
[00:38:22]  There's fucking dispensaries everywhere.
[00:38:23]  You walk in and it's like different strains.
[00:38:26]  You got pre rolls, you got edibles.
[00:38:29]  I mean, it looks legal.
[00:38:31]  Of course, it's not.
[00:38:32]  And they're all cartel owned.
[00:38:33]  All cartel owned.
[00:38:34]  The cartels own the grows, right?
[00:38:37]  They own, so they're growing a bunch of indoor bud throughout the city.
[00:38:40]  And in the mountains, they still get outdoor weed too.
[00:38:43]  And like, so it's vertically integrated.
[00:38:45]  They control the grows, they control all of the dispensaries, and they get independent operators to do everything.
[00:38:53]  But that's fascinating because that's how they've adjusted to losing profits when weed became legal in the States.
[00:39:01]  You know, they lost a big, big export market.
[00:39:04]  So this is kind of what they've done to like, you know, make some of their money back.
[00:39:08]  That's fucking wild.
[00:39:10]  Wild.
[00:39:10]  So, when you were talking to the bodyguards of El Mayo, first of all, people that don't know who El Mayo is, he's like the number one.
[00:39:18]  He's the boss of the boss.
[00:39:19]  He's the old man.
[00:39:20]  He's the guy that's never been caught.
[00:39:21]  He's the only person.
[00:39:22]  He's the guy, one of the two guys who started the Sinaloa cartel, right?
[00:39:26]  He actually didn't start it.
[00:39:27]  He was, um, his there's not a lot of history on him because he's so secretive.
[00:39:33]  The guys who started it, uh, are all the guys from the original.
[00:39:37]  If you go watch Narcos Mexico, it was Angel Feliz Gallardo, it was Rafael Caro Quintero, and the other dude can't remember his name, Fonseco, maybe.
[00:39:46]  Um, but he, uh, he was working for them just like Chapo didn't start the cartel, he was working for the Guadalajara cartel that later became the Sinaloa cartel.
[00:39:56]  So maybe he was one of the founders.
[00:39:58]  I don't know.
[00:39:59]  But he's one of the originals and the only guy who's never been caught.
[00:40:04]  He's the most wanted drug trafficker on earth.
[00:40:08]  I wonder if he really is wanted or if he is totally.
[00:40:12]  Dude, dude, or if he's got an agreement.
[00:40:14]  Right.
[00:40:15]  He's got an agreement because that's how a lot of these guys, according to Luis, that's how a lot of these dudes survive so long they cut deals with either the DEA or the CIA or the Mexican government or both.
[00:40:33]  And, you know, Chapo gave up information, right?
[00:40:36]  All of these guys have given up info on their rivals in the past.
[00:40:42]  You know, so who knows what is keeping him out of prison?
[00:40:47]  But I'll tell you what, he's got a huge security apparatus.
[00:40:50]  That's for sure.
[00:40:51]  What did his security have to say?
[00:40:54]  Well, first of all, the guy's got eight different layers of security around him.
[00:40:59]  He lives in the mountains, he owns ranches all over Sinaloa, right?
[00:41:03]  But.
[00:41:04]  We went to when we went to visit his number one security team.
[00:41:08]  There's seven different security layers that we pass through on our way to meet them.
[00:41:13]  So, and that means just guys who are posted up wherever he's at.
[00:41:17]  And it's like a circumference, right?
[00:41:19]  It's like that you just keep going out and out and out.
[00:41:22]  And these different security layers make a ring around him like a fucking military.
[00:41:26]  These are, it's not like a military.
[00:41:27]  These guys are a military.
[00:41:29]  And in Kulia Khan, they are the law, they are the military.
[00:41:33]  So, every time you, so as you, if you're driving along like the highway out of the city, You know, people are on radios like, yep, these guys are moving towards the boss, right?
[00:41:45]  So, but his main guys, the guys we talked to, they're like fucking 25 year old kids.
[00:41:52]  It's crazy.
[00:41:54]  It was wild.
[00:41:54]  Like, you think they'd be like, you know, have baklavas on and big, you know, you think they'd be like these tough, like ex Marine guys.
[00:42:02]  They're not.
[00:42:03]  They're just dudes that probably have parents or uncles in the cartel and they just got these jobs guarding him.
[00:42:10]  And, you know, it was very weird.
[00:42:13]  It was like, these are like normal dudes.
[00:42:15]  You know, the guy's got acne.
[00:42:16]  A few of them have braces on, right?
[00:42:19]  Smoking weed, watching Instagram videos.
[00:42:23]  Yeah, that's not what you think.
[00:42:25]  It's like, it's not what you think at all.
[00:42:28]  It's very easy for that.
[00:42:29]  Well, I mean, I think of how easy it is for them to recruit kids to the cartels.
[00:42:34]  You know, when you're a young kid and you're an idiot, you're going to see all the big flashy shit.
[00:42:38]  You're going to want to see the money and you're going to gravitate towards that.
[00:42:40]  They're probably not a lot of older people because I'm sure the life expectancy inside the cartel is not that high.
[00:42:44]  Yeah, it's either not that high or you move up to doing something more administrative.
[00:42:52]  Because I'm not sure how many people are actually dying in the stronghold anymore.
[00:42:57]  If you're a soldier and you're going off to like a different state to fight like the Nuevo Jalisco cartel, which is like the rival down there, yes, your life expectancy is pretty low.
[00:43:06]  But I think within the city and the area of Sinaloa itself, it was actually pretty safe because the cartels are such a stranglehold.
[00:43:14]  Yeah, okay.
[00:43:15]  Yeah, big time.
[00:43:16]  Big time.
[00:43:17]  I just think the kids, nobody wants to be like sitting around.
[00:43:21]  You know, it's boring when you're guarding this old man in the mountains.
[00:43:25]  It's fucking boring.
[00:43:26]  You just sit around.
[00:43:28]  Probably nothing's going to happen because there's so many other different security teams that are going to let you know if, like, the Marines are on their way.
[00:43:36]  Like, once the fucking military makes it past the first couple of layers of security, they really were dumb enough to pull a raid.
[00:43:43]  That old man, they would have that guy on the move so fast.
[00:43:48]  And plus, they won't ever do that because I asked him that.
[00:43:50]  I'm like, what if the fucking military does rush right now?
[00:43:54]  And they were like, well, the same thing will happen.
[00:43:57]  Even worse than when they tried to arrest Ovidio, Chapo's son.
[00:44:02]  Do you remember that back in 2019?
[00:44:04]  They tried to arrest him and the fucking, they burnt that place to the ground, dude.
[00:44:09]  We were staying right by there.
[00:44:11]  Bro, the video of him, of them like pulling up on that house and pulling him out of the house is so crazy.
[00:44:16]  Yeah.
[00:44:17]  Because he's so fucking calm.
[00:44:19]  Yeah.
[00:44:19]  He's like, exactly.
[00:44:20]  He's like, whatever.
[00:44:21]  He's like, it's okay.
[00:44:22]  Let me get on my phone.
[00:44:23]  Let me make a call.
[00:44:24]  That's right.
[00:44:24]  That's what they do.
[00:44:25]  They say they're panicking.
[00:44:27]  The military, like, Whoever, the sergeant or the lieutenant, he's handing him the phone and he's like, call them off, call them off.
[00:44:33]  Because they, they're every little clan from the mountains descended on to Kulia Khan and just started going to war.
[00:44:44]  They did it like that.
[00:44:45]  And the guy who ordered that was Mayo Zambada.
[00:44:49]  Really?
[00:44:50]  Yep.
[00:44:51]  He was the guy that said, do not let them take him.
[00:44:54]  So you imagine what would happen if they tried to arrest Mayo?
[00:44:58]  I mean, it would look like.
[00:45:00]  Afghanistan.
[00:45:01]  Yeah.
[00:45:02]  So that kind of threat of violence is so ingrained in the culture that you don't really have to worry about much when you're in the inner circle of the security apparatus inside the cartel.
[00:45:15]  You know what I mean?
[00:45:17]  It's so fucking crazy to think about.
[00:45:20]  I've asked this question to so many people, and it's always like a laugh for people when I ask them this, but I'm like, could you imagine if.

=== Deep Inside The Inner Circle (14:15) ===

[00:45:30]  If the U.S., I don't even know if they have motive to do it or not.
[00:45:33]  Like, there's so many conspiracies about how the U.S. is involved in the cartels.
[00:45:39]  And, like, there's that documentary that I forget the name of it right now, but it's the documentary basically about the DEA agent who was murdered by the CIA agent.
[00:45:49]  Yes, yes, okay.
[00:45:50]  Feliz Rodriguez.
[00:45:52]  Not Feliz Rodriguez.
[00:45:54]  His name is, yes.
[00:45:56]  Come on, come on.
[00:45:57]  I know the name.
[00:45:58]  Kiki Camarano.
[00:45:59]  He was a DEA agent.
[00:46:00]  That's right.
[00:46:00]  Feliz Rodriguez was.
[00:46:01]  The CIA, the Cuban guy, right?
[00:46:05]  Yes.
[00:46:05]  Yes.
[00:46:05]  So he was a CIA asset, right?
[00:46:08]  We got to remember that.
[00:46:08]  The CIA doesn't have that many people.
[00:46:10]  I thought he was a legit officer of the CIA because he was working on the Contra.
[00:46:17]  Who knows, right?
[00:46:18]  Look up Felix Rodriguez.
[00:46:19]  We got to figure it out.
[00:46:20]  Yeah.
[00:46:20]  Who knows?
[00:46:21]  Because it's very easy.
[00:46:22]  It's all about deniability, right?
[00:46:24]  Like they, this guy obviously wasn't like, you know, educated in America and didn't like, he didn't apply for a job at the CIA.
[00:46:31]  They recruited him because he was a Cuban exile.
[00:46:35]  You know, who could help fight communism, right?
[00:46:38]  This is post Castro.
[00:46:40]  This is when, yeah, that dude right there.
[00:46:41]  Holy shit.
[00:46:42]  Cuban American, former Central Intelligence, paramilitary operations officer.
[00:46:46]  Oh, wow.
[00:46:47]  So maybe he was like on the payroll.
[00:46:49]  Well, he's definitely on the payroll.
[00:46:50]  Maybe he was a car carrying member, right?
[00:46:52]  He was involved in the Bay of Pigs invasion.
[00:46:55]  Oh, so this guy goes back to Kennedy, dude.
[00:46:57]  Yeah.
[00:46:57]  This is crazy.
[00:46:58]  As his ties keep going down, Bush.
[00:47:03]  Early life.
[00:47:04]  Go to his early life.
[00:47:05]  He came from the wealthy family in native Cuba, blah, Attended school in Pennsylvania, dropped out, joined the anti communist league in the Caribbean.
[00:47:15]  When did he join?
[00:47:16]  Okay, in September 1960, he joined a group called Cuban exiles in Guatemala, supported by the CIA to receive military training.
[00:47:25]  So that's probably when he got recruited because the CIA organized a bunch of Cuban exiles to pull the Bay of Pigs invasion off.
[00:47:32]  So that's probably when they recruited him, it was like 1960.
[00:47:35]  No.
[00:47:36]  Because I think Bay of Pigs was 61.
[00:47:42]  Okay, in 1967, the CIA again recruited Rodriguez to train and head a team to hunt down Che Guevara.
[00:47:49]  Oh, wow.
[00:47:50]  Wow.
[00:47:50]  Holy shit.
[00:47:51]  So he was part of the, because Gabara got killed in Bolivia.
[00:47:55]  So he was part of that.
[00:47:56]  Oh, so this guy is deep in it.
[00:47:58]  Deep, bro.
[00:47:59]  Holy shit.
[00:48:00]  So he was the one in the house in Guadalajara when Kiki Camarano, the DEA agent, was getting tortured to death.
[00:48:07]  Yep.
[00:48:08]  That documentary, can we pull up the name of that?
[00:48:10]  Everybody who's interested in this subject needs to watch this.
[00:48:12]  It is the best documentary on this subject.
[00:48:14]  It's because, and then if you watch Narcos, you see that they leave that part out.
[00:48:21]  If you watch Narcos Mexico on Netflix, they talk about that whole thing, except the fact that the guy Jaime, who was the white guy, Jamie, he was leading in the show.
[00:48:34]  He was like the head of the DEA office down there.
[00:48:37]  He actually, in real life, according to the documentary, I think he stonewalled the investigation to make sure it couldn't go any further.
[00:48:47]  You know what I mean?
[00:48:48]  It was, oh, dude, my fucking nipples are hard.
[00:48:51]  I got chills down my spine right now.
[00:48:53]  It's crazy.
[00:48:54]  Kiki Camarena.
[00:48:55]  No, You got to search Kiki Camarena documentary.
[00:48:58]  Yeah.
[00:48:59]  It's on Amazon.
[00:49:00]  It's on Amazon.
[00:49:01]  Yes.
[00:49:02]  But it's incredible.
[00:49:02]  Yes.
[00:49:03]  It's sad as fuck, man.
[00:49:05]  Yeah.
[00:49:05]  He was on his way to lunch to have lunch with his wife and gets kidnapped right out front of the DEA office.
[00:49:12]  Yep.
[00:49:13]  Yep.
[00:49:13]  And that happened during the Cold War all the fucking time.
[00:49:18]  So many times.
[00:49:19]  It's like, you know, supposedly trying to do the right thing or trying to fight drugs.
[00:49:27]  It's been the CIA stopping, actually helping the criminals.
[00:49:31]  They didn't, it's not just with, you know, Rick Ross and the Nicaraguans and cocaine.
[00:49:37]  It was with, you know, the heroin kingpins in Southeast Asia.
[00:49:41]  Yeah.
[00:49:42]  Right.
[00:49:43]  During the Vietnam War, they were allowing all of this heroin trafficking to go on because.
[00:49:48]  The last narc.
[00:49:49]  The last narc.
[00:49:50]  Ah.
[00:49:50]  That's it.
[00:49:51]  There's a docuseries about the 1985 death of DE agent Keke Camarano.
[00:49:55]  Yeah, dude.
[00:49:57]  Yeah.
[00:49:57]  Amazing fucking docuseries.
[00:49:58]  Yeah.
[00:49:58]  But that guy, that guy, Felix, he never.
[00:50:02]  He's out free.
[00:50:03]  I think he lives in Miami right now.
[00:50:04]  Yeah.
[00:50:06]  Which is wild.
[00:50:07]  And I wonder why they left that out of Narcos.
[00:50:10]  You know, it's a little too deep because I think the powers that be were like, this is a little too wild.
[00:50:19]  I wonder what the pressure was on that to leave that part out because that is like one of the most intriguing parts of the whole story.
[00:50:27]  I think it's self censorship because we all know about it.
[00:50:30]  I think it is.
[00:50:30]  I don't think it's the CIA.
[00:50:32]  Coming down to the offices in Netflix in Hollywood.
[00:50:36]  It's not that because we all know about the Rick Ross story now, right?
[00:50:39]  They've made movies about that.
[00:50:40]  We all know that the CIA was, you know, assisting Nicaraguan drug traffickers who were supplying Ricky Ross, Freeway Rick, right?
[00:50:48]  We all know that.
[00:50:50]  So we know that the CIA is this shadowy, fucked up organization.
[00:50:55]  So I don't think it's, I just, yeah, I think it's, I think it's just a little too much.
[00:51:00]  It's almost unbelievable.
[00:51:02]  So I think maybe the showrunners were like, this is just, We want to make a Hollywood ending, you know?
[00:51:09]  And this is not a neat ending.
[00:51:12]  It's why I wonder what I was getting to originally is people like El Mayo, like, what really are his threats other than rival cartels?
[00:51:23]  Like, I don't think.
[00:51:24]  Which are barely a threat.
[00:51:25]  And is the Mexican government not a threat, right?
[00:51:29]  Like, they're bought and paid for by the cartel.
[00:51:32]  Like, the Mexican government is essentially a branch of the cartel.
[00:51:35]  Yeah.
[00:51:36]  Yeah.
[00:51:36]  From what I gathered, and of course, like, I'm, you know, a novice at this, but from what, from speaking to, you know, guys like Luis and, and reading and, uh, There's like a tacit agreement between the cartel kingpins and the Mexican government.
[00:51:55]  When the Mexican government feels pressure, especially from the U.S., they will tell the kingpins, like, somebody's got to go.
[00:52:03]  So the most powerful, yes, they're an arm of the cartel, but really the cartel is an arm of the government.
[00:52:09]  That's how I see it.
[00:52:11]  Because the most powerful gang really is the high political class.
[00:52:17]  That's been around for generations in Mexico.
[00:52:20]  That's the only reason that the cartel could exist as it does.
[00:52:23]  So I think it goes government cartel, not the other way around.
[00:52:26]  Right.
[00:52:26]  And that's probably why we got El Chapo.
[00:52:28]  It probably just became a.
[00:52:30]  Totally.
[00:52:30]  He was a PR nightmare.
[00:52:32]  He was a PR nightmare.
[00:52:33]  Yeah.
[00:52:33]  It was this bad publicity.
[00:52:35]  And I might be speaking out of pocket.
[00:52:37]  I wish Luis was here because this is his scoop, but he's not.
[00:52:40]  I am.
[00:52:41]  So this is my clickbait.
[00:52:42]  Sorry, Luis.
[00:52:45]  I mean, we all know this.
[00:52:47]  Mayo gave up Chapo.
[00:52:49]  He had to have, right?
[00:52:50]  We know he did.
[00:52:51]  It was his son.
[00:52:52]  So, his son, one of Mayo's many children, but the son that was organizing cocaine transport through Mexico City, this is back, can't remember, mid 2000s, he basically gets kidnapped by the DEA.
[00:53:06]  They come to him and they say, We want to have a meet.
[00:53:08]  We want to discuss a deal with you.
[00:53:10]  He meets with them.
[00:53:11]  They fucking kidnap him.
[00:53:12]  They arrest him, but that's kidnapping, right?
[00:53:14]  You're American agents on foreign soil.
[00:53:17]  They take him back to Chicago, to the States, and they say, Look, you're never going to see the light of day again.
[00:53:22]  Uh, around this time, Chapo is making a lot of bad publicity for uh Sinaloa, right?
[00:53:30]  And Mayo never liked that.
[00:53:32]  Mayo, he was just like a slave, he was like a butcher, right?
[00:53:35]  Well, Chapo was mainly like he grew up being a butcher, like from very young, he was just a killer.
[00:53:39]  Um, I'm not sure, he probably, I'm sure he dropped a lot of bodies.
[00:53:43]  He was a farmer, he tended to poppy fields, right?
[00:53:47]  Um, but you know, as these guys get more famous, they fall in love with the clout, you know.
[00:53:52]  Um, so Yeah, he was making a lot of bad publicity for the Sinaloa cartel.
[00:53:59]  And he was really a glorified manager, too, I want to point out.
[00:54:02]  Like, they have him on a wiretap talking to the Flores brothers, who were their main, Sinaloa's main heroin distributor through Chicago.
[00:54:11]  Right.
[00:54:11]  And he's discussing a heroin deal with them.
[00:54:14]  I heard that.
[00:54:14]  Like, why would a kingpin ever be talking on the phone about a deal?
[00:54:18]  That's what a manager does.
[00:54:19]  So, Chapa was really a glorified general manager.
[00:54:25]  Right.
[00:54:25]  You know?
[00:54:25]  Right.
[00:54:26]  So, So, when Mayo's son gets popped, we've all got all of this going on, right?
[00:54:34]  Mayo is on a recorded jail call.
[00:54:38]  His son calls him from jail, and basically, Mayo goes, You do what you got to do.
[00:54:44]  And so that was basically him telling his son, You can go ahead and give up info on Chapo.
[00:54:50]  And that's exactly what he did.
[00:54:52]  And that got him out of a life sentence.
[00:54:54]  So, they gave Mayo's son 15 years, but the info that he gave up on Chapo led to his final arrest.
[00:55:00]  Okay.
[00:55:00]  Wow.
[00:55:01]  So, so flash forward to 2019.
[00:55:05]  Chapo's son, Ovidio, El Raton, they call him, gets raided by the military in Culiacan, a block from where we were just staying.
[00:55:14]  And Mayo, out of whatever sense of guilt for having been responsible for getting his dad incarcerated in the United States forever, says, You're not taking his son.
[00:55:27]  Wow.
[00:55:27]  Yeah.
[00:55:28]  Wild.
[00:55:29]  And so they come down and they stop the military from taking his son.
[00:55:34]  So it's, it's, it's, dude, the Mexican telenovelas, the soap operas, it's lived out in real life.
[00:55:40]  And these stories, I mean, there's a million of these stories.
[00:55:44]  So many of them.
[00:55:45]  Yeah.
[00:55:45]  So many of them, dude.
[00:55:46]  Chapo's, one of Chapo's brothers was shot to death in prison.
[00:55:54]  I didn't even know this.
[00:55:55]  Yeah.
[00:55:56]  He was in a maximum security prison.
[00:55:57]  He was shot to death.
[00:55:59]  I don't know exactly, but it's just like that kind of shit, right?
[00:56:04]  It's, they live a very gaucho, Machismo dramatic lifestyle.
[00:56:11]  It's like played out in real life.
[00:56:13]  Yeah.
[00:56:14]  That's where they get these stories from, even though they seem corny to us.
[00:56:16]  Like you watch these, like, you know, these like B movies or, you know, these kind of like low budget shows on Netflix, right?
[00:56:25]  But they're taking these stories from real life.
[00:56:28]  Yeah.
[00:56:29]  Well, you know, the other thing about the cartels is how much fucking money they make by trafficking people.
[00:56:36]  Across the US border.
[00:56:38]  Yeah, that's big too.
[00:56:39]  That's big too.
[00:56:39]  Yeah, like eight grand ahead.
[00:56:40]  Yeah, and that's way better business because, you know, like there's no way those people are getting intercepted, like coming from Colombia.
[00:56:49]  You know what I'm saying?
[00:56:50]  Right.
[00:56:51]  Like it's actually way better.
[00:56:53]  I'd much rather smuggle people.
[00:56:55]  Yeah.
[00:56:55]  Wouldn't you?
[00:56:56]  Yeah.
[00:56:56]  And you always need people.
[00:56:57]  Like there's always, like it's a never ending supply of people that want to get across.
[00:57:03]  And it's just, yeah, I don't know.
[00:57:05]  Seems like a better gig.
[00:57:06]  Yeah.
[00:57:07]  I had, um, Ed Calderon in here a couple weeks ago, and he was basically talking about how the cartels loved Trump because he put on that whole border thing.
[00:57:16]  Yes.
[00:57:17]  They love that.
[00:57:17]  That makes the price go up.
[00:57:19]  Yes.
[00:57:19]  That makes the price go up.
[00:57:20]  Exactly.
[00:57:21]  I'm like, dude, the cartels love the Republicans.
[00:57:25]  Cartels are fiscal and social Republicans.
[00:57:28]  They really are.
[00:57:29]  You know?
[00:57:30]  That's so wild, man.
[00:57:31]  Yeah.
[00:57:31]  Okay, so check this out.
[00:57:33]  You talk about money.
[00:57:34]  And this is in the episode that drops this Thursday.
[00:57:37]  Connect.
[00:57:37]  Check it out on YouTube.
[00:57:39]  You've heard of YouTube.
[00:57:42]  The fucking.
[00:57:43]  We, our guy, our trap rapper, the guy, our liaison.
[00:57:48]  What was his name again?
[00:57:49]  El Enfermo.
[00:57:50]  El Enfermo.
[00:57:51]  Yeah.
[00:57:52]  Yeah.
[00:57:52]  We may have to bleep that out.
[00:57:54]  I'm considering bleeping it out because what I'm about to say, I don't know.
[00:57:58]  I don't know if it can get him in that much trouble.
[00:58:00]  I think it kind of is exaggerated a little bit.
[00:58:02]  But, anyways, he brought us to a little section, like a three or four block section in the downtown area of Culiacan.
[00:58:11]  And we're driving by and he points out all of these little stands.
[00:58:16]  They're like, Almost like little outdoor.
[00:58:20]  Yeah, they're just little stands that could be fucking lemonade stands, but they're money exchange places.
[00:58:26]  So you can exchange dollars for pesos there.
[00:58:30]  And what do you think is happening there?
[00:58:33]  A lot of dollars, a lot of dirty narco dollars getting exchanged for pesos.
[00:58:39]  He goes, Yeah, they say they wash about $7 million a day just in this little four block area.
[00:58:44]  $7 million a day.
[00:58:45]  A day.
[00:58:46]  That's a billion and a half dollars just in this one.
[00:58:49]  Little neighborhood in this one little city, $7 million.
[00:58:54]  And he's like, Yeah, they own the machines too.
[00:58:59]  So they're laundering money at their own businesses.
[00:59:02]  Right?
[00:59:02]  That's insane.
[00:59:03]  Yeah, so there's a lot of money in drugs still.
[00:59:05]  They are to Medellin.
[00:59:08]  Cocaine is to Medellin what all drugs are to Sinaloa and specifically Culiacan.
[00:59:14]  Like I say that, it's like Silicon Valley of drug trafficking.
[00:59:17]  They're on the cutting edge of everything, and it's so ingrained in the culture.
[00:59:23]  Now, I think Colombia, Bolivia, and Peru are the number one countries that are actually making coke, right?
[00:59:31]  For sure.
[00:59:31]  Yeah.
[00:59:32]  Yeah.
[00:59:32]  I had a guy in here two days ago who lives in the Amazon rainforest.
[00:59:36]  Oh, I saw that.
[00:59:37]  I saw that.
[00:59:38]  So he was telling me that there's literal factories in the, like pop up shops in the jungle where they're making this shit.

=== Silicon Valley Drug Trafficking (05:03) ===

[00:59:46]  Yeah.
[00:59:46]  And he says that, like, under the Amazon, under like the canopies of the trees, they will cut out like tunnels where planes can fly down and land underneath the forest.
[00:59:58]  Wow.
[00:59:59]  Just to reload their fucking planes.
[01:00:01]  Yeah.
[01:00:02]  Yeah.
[01:00:02]  Wow.
[01:00:03]  That's insane.
[01:00:04]  Yeah.
[01:00:04]  Everybody's getting in on it.
[01:00:05]  It is wild.
[01:00:06]  Everybody's getting in.
[01:00:07]  Like, it's totally changed.
[01:00:09]  Everybody is kind of.
[01:00:11]  An independent operator now.
[01:00:14]  You know, the cartels exist, but, you know, I don't know how exactly it works in Colombia, but I know for, I know in Sinaloa in Mexico, the cartel is now just an armed military, paramilitary group that guards drugs coming in from whoever basically wants to import them.
[01:00:34]  Isn't that wild?
[01:00:35]  So there's no more salary, there's no more payroll.
[01:00:37]  It all got flattened.
[01:00:39]  It all got, after Chapo fell, The entire organization restructured.
[01:00:43]  So nobody's on payroll anymore.
[01:00:45]  There's no, they used to have everything structured like a company, like a corporation, right?
[01:00:51]  Right.
[01:00:51]  You know, the bodyguards, the people, you know, cooking the meth all the way up to like the people that smuggled it across the border.
[01:00:59]  Everybody was just paid a salary.
[01:01:00]  Now that's all completely changed.
[01:01:02]  Everything is independent.
[01:01:03]  So it's just groups, families of different drug traffickers smuggling drugs, cooking drugs, growing drugs.
[01:01:12]  Nobody tells them what to buy, who to sell it to.
[01:01:15]  How much to pay for it, how much they can earn, where to sell it.
[01:01:19]  Interesting.
[01:01:20]  What they do, the only thing they have to do is pay protection money to the cartels because they're the ones who have the drug routes, the drug routes to America.
[01:01:28]  And they're also the ones who pay off the cops, the military, politicians, et cetera.
[01:01:35]  So it's a way different time.
[01:01:36]  And it probably operates much that way in South America too, I would imagine, right?
[01:01:41]  Because you can't, there's just too much technology now.
[01:01:43]  You can't have a Pablo Escobar style Medellin cartel anymore.
[01:01:47]  It's just.
[01:01:48]  It's too easy to take something like that down.
[01:01:50]  But you cannot take down the Sinaloa cartel.
[01:01:52]  You just can't compartmentalize.
[01:01:53]  Exactly.
[01:01:55]  Now, you said something about Australia being the biggest market.
[01:02:00]  Oh, the best place to sell drugs is 1,000% Australia.
[01:02:04]  Dude, a gram of Coke is like 400 bucks there.
[01:02:06]  That's wild.
[01:02:07]  One gram of Coke.
[01:02:07]  That's wild, dude.
[01:02:08]  I bought Coke for $2 a gram in Medellin.
[01:02:11]  Two bucks a gram at 1,000 grams a shot.
[01:02:14]  So imagine you get two of those to Australia, two keys to Australia, and just sell it out gram for gram.
[01:02:21]  You got a fucking house on Sydney Harbor.
[01:02:23]  That is fucking insane.
[01:02:25]  It's mind blowing.
[01:02:26]  Yeah.
[01:02:27]  And it's obviously because it's so far away.
[01:02:29]  Yeah.
[01:02:30]  It's so hard to get to.
[01:02:31]  But I mean, you're paying all these expenses.
[01:02:33]  So, like, all, like, that's all cost to get there.
[01:02:37]  So, how does that equate to more profit?
[01:02:40]  Because, you know what I mean?
[01:02:41]  Like, if it costs you that much to get it there, like, yeah, but it's not that much.
[01:02:44]  It's, it's, it's, you deal in volume, right?
[01:02:47]  That's how you make money in the drug trade.
[01:02:48]  You deal in volume.
[01:02:50]  And, and yeah, you just buy the most for the cheapest.
[01:02:55]  And you sell it for the highest.
[01:02:58]  That's crazy, dude.
[01:02:59]  Yeah.
[01:03:00]  Are there a lot of, like in where you visited in Colombia?
[01:03:05]  Are there a lot of Australians and Europeans?
[01:03:07]  Yeah, definitely.
[01:03:08]  Definitely.
[01:03:08]  There's a lot of Europeans, a lot of Canadians, a lot of Australians, a lot of black Americans are in Colombia now, which is crazy, right?
[01:03:19]  And I was like, why is that?
[01:03:20]  And I was like, oh, because they like a nice, you know, black guys like a nice fat ass.
[01:03:25]  We all know this.
[01:03:26]  There's nothing wrong with that.
[01:03:27]  And you'll find a nice fat ass in Colombia.
[01:03:29]  So, but yeah, but they don't do Coke as much as like, Yeah, the people, like the tourists that live there.
[01:03:36]  I mean, bro, I sold a kilo just out in grams and eight balls to, it took me less than a week to get a thousand grams off just to the tourists staying in these hostels where I was staying.
[01:03:47]  I mean, it was insane.
[01:03:49]  These motherfuckers.
[01:03:50]  And the majority of them are European, right?
[01:03:52]  Yes, and Australian.
[01:03:53]  And they're so used to paying so much for Coke that they go there and they just lose their fucking mind.
[01:03:58]  They're like, what?
[01:04:00]  What?
[01:04:01]  20 bucks for a gram?
[01:04:02]  It sounds like a fucking heaven on earth down there.
[01:04:04]  Yeah, it's not.
[01:04:05]  It's not.
[01:04:05]  I've heard a lot about the women.
[01:04:07]  The women are like no other.
[01:04:09]  Yeah, the women are really beautiful.
[01:04:11]  Very beautiful, very outgoing, love to party, love to have fun.
[01:04:15]  They're not like women here.
[01:04:16]  Yeah, right.
[01:04:17]  Well, Florida's got some pretty great women, dude.
[01:04:19]  Florida chicks.
[01:04:20]  They got a lot of prostitutes.
[01:04:21]  Oh, yeah, but none of those in Columbia.
[01:04:25]  Yeah, no.
[01:04:26]  Prostitutes are probably on a whole nother level in Columbia.
[01:04:28]  Yeah.
[01:04:28]  Here you got lot lizards.
[01:04:30]  Yeah, so a lot of lot lizards.
[01:04:34]  Yeah, Columbia's.
[01:04:37]  I don't know.
[01:04:37]  I'm jaded by it.
[01:04:38]  Everybody loves going there.
[01:04:40]  I'm like, this place is like, this place is like gross now because it's become like Cancun of South America.
[01:04:47]  It's become like, you know, you name it.
[01:04:48]  Really?

=== Scopolamine Horror Stories (03:43) ===

[01:04:49]  Yeah.
[01:04:50]  Yeah.
[01:04:50]  It's gross.
[01:04:50]  Like you see these fucking, you see these like retarded.
[01:04:54]  Can I say that?
[01:04:55]  Yeah.
[01:04:55]  Cool.
[01:04:56]  Yeah.
[01:04:56]  We're in fucking Florida, dude.
[01:04:57]  We're in Florida, dude.
[01:04:58]  Get out your fucking gun.
[01:04:59]  Let's play some Russian roulette before we go into the ad read.
[01:05:05]  So, yeah, dude.
[01:05:06]  But you just see these like brain dead fucking junkies.
[01:05:10]  Because that's what they are junky tourists who are like, you know, in the tourist sections, like the red light districts, just you know, like stumbling down the street, like looking for fucking coke and whores.
[01:05:21]  It's just kind of a bad look, you know what I mean?
[01:05:23]  It's just kind of, I miss the days when it was just a little more dangerous because people kind of acted right, you know?
[01:05:30]  Yeah.
[01:05:31]  But what's starting to happen is these people are getting robbed and killed.
[01:05:35]  And I'm not justifying it, but I'm saying these people that act out of pocket like that, these people that go there.
[01:05:41]  Just like looking for hookers, like they're just so obviously like you're saying now they're for yes, yes.
[01:05:48]  Like, I even had a buddy, he met some girls on Tinder down there, and you know, he went out and met them at a bar and was drinking with them.
[01:05:57]  He's like, Man, I feel fucked up.
[01:06:00]  And they go back to his place, and he passes out, and they robbed him for all his shit.
[01:06:03]  They drugged him.
[01:06:04]  That happens all the time.
[01:06:05]  That's like a business, that's a straight up like industry now is drugging and robbing tourists in Medellin.
[01:06:12]  They use that thing, Vice News did a piece on it.
[01:06:15]  Years ago, scopolamine, it's called.
[01:06:18]  And that's the devil's breath.
[01:06:19]  And that's like they take it out of a piece of flour that grows indigenous down there.
[01:06:24]  It's you take like a, like just a little, like some seeds out of the middle of this flour, and you can just like blow it on somebody or put or make it into powder and put it into somebody's drink.
[01:06:35]  And it will make the person completely black out, but they'll have all of their motor skills, they'll have all full physical mobility.
[01:06:42]  So people will get drugged with scopolamine.
[01:06:46]  And they will be walking around.
[01:06:49]  And so I could say, hey, take me up to your apartment and give me your TV and all your money and all your furniture, and you'll just do it.
[01:06:59]  Really?
[01:06:59]  Yeah, and then you'll wake up the next day, you won't have anything in your apartment, and you're like, what the fuck happened?
[01:07:03]  What is this shit called again?
[01:07:04]  Scopolamine.
[01:07:06]  Can we look that up?
[01:07:07]  Yeah, we got to look that up.
[01:07:08]  Awesome.
[01:07:09]  But it.
[01:07:10]  I got to get my hands on this.
[01:07:11]  Yeah, right?
[01:07:12]  Yeah, dude.
[01:07:13]  It sounds rad.
[01:07:14]  You just black the fuck out.
[01:07:16]  So it would be like a Qualude.
[01:07:17]  It would be like, you know, a podcast on some scopolamine.
[01:07:20]  Yeah, like it would be like how Qualudes were back in the day.
[01:07:23]  You would have full function, full physical function, but you black out.
[01:07:31]  Yeah.
[01:07:31]  Pull up the.
[01:07:32]  Also known as the devil's breath.
[01:07:34]  Yeah.
[01:07:36]  There you go.
[01:07:37]  Oh.
[01:07:38]  Hysocon.
[01:07:40]  Hyoskin.
[01:07:41]  Hyoskin or the devil's breath.
[01:07:43]  Yeah.
[01:07:44]  Naturally or synthetically produced tropane alkaloid and antichloronegic drug that is formerly used as a medication for treating motion sickness and post operative nausea.
[01:07:59]  Huh.
[01:07:59]  Yeah.
[01:08:02]  When used by injection, effects begin about 20 minutes and last for up to eight hours.
[01:08:09]  Maybe also used orally or with a transdermal patch.
[01:08:13]  Yeah.
[01:08:13]  So my buddy thinks he got maybe drugged with this.
[01:08:17]  Huh.
[01:08:18]  And, but yeah, it's wild.
[01:08:20]  Like, just look up scopolamine Columbia and you'll see, you'll hear all of these, you know, horror stories about, you know, guys that can't get laid in their own country going there.
[01:08:29]  And, you know, this is kind of what happens.
[01:08:31]  But you know, I don't want to on it.

=== Fentanyl And Wholesale Coke (07:57) ===

[01:08:32]  I mean, there's got there's tons of great things about it, but yeah, you know, drugs are uh they're a corrupting you know influence on society.
[01:08:44]  Well, they're it's only because they're illegal, though, right?
[01:08:47]  I mean, if drugs were illegal, it wouldn't be nearly as bad as it is, yeah.
[01:08:50]  I suppose that's true, but it depends how you do it.
[01:08:54]  Because again, in America, we've we tried to make drugs legal in San Francisco and Portland and Seattle and all of these places that are decriminalized, and it's made things like five times as bad.
[01:09:05]  So if you're going to make really.
[01:09:06]  Yeah, dude, it's fucked up.
[01:09:07]  The tenderloin in San Francisco, dude.
[01:09:09]  Oh my God.
[01:09:10]  They ruined that city because you let people basically, there's no consequences for getting caught with drugs.
[01:09:17]  People are openly fucking shooting up and, you know, having fentanyl overdoses and, you know, all this crazy shit.
[01:09:22]  It fucks up, like, you know, ordinary people's lives, right?
[01:09:26]  Yeah, but if it was legal, wouldn't that eliminate the fentanyl because it'd have to be regulated?
[01:09:31]  Right.
[01:09:31]  Like if you could buy an ounce or a gram of Coke and know, like, from a pharmacy and know indefinitely that there's no fucking Fentanyl in it.
[01:09:40]  Right.
[01:09:40]  I guess you're right.
[01:09:41]  I guess the government would have to oversee it and basically make it.
[01:09:47]  Right.
[01:09:48]  And the U.S. just doesn't do that kind of shit well.
[01:09:52]  We don't do medical, right?
[01:09:54]  Because what that is is like a public health revolutionary thing.
[01:09:58]  The U.S. doesn't do that well.
[01:09:59]  We make money.
[01:10:00]  Exactly.
[01:10:00]  That's all we do.
[01:10:01]  So you have to really like it has to be paired with like law enforcement and like mental health treatment.
[01:10:09]  And like housing and all this shit that we just don't fucking do good.
[01:10:12]  Yeah, that's true.
[01:10:13]  So you have to, you know, I just learned, you know, we thought the cartels were going to go out of business when we became legal in the US.
[01:10:21]  And look at it, it's just making them stronger, just made Sinaloa stronger.
[01:10:24]  So it's how you do it.
[01:10:25]  Right.
[01:10:26]  And I don't think we're far behind Europe in the way that they like treat drug addiction, you know?
[01:10:32]  Do you think the whole scare about Coke intentionally being laced with fentanyl is real?
[01:10:38]  I'm glad you brought that up.
[01:10:40]  I'm glad you brought that up.
[01:10:41]  We cover it in this week's episode.
[01:10:43]  Oh, really?
[01:10:43]  Yes.
[01:10:44]  Dude, let me be.
[01:10:46]  Can I just break this?
[01:10:47]  Yes.
[01:10:47]  Nobody's talking about this on the internet.
[01:10:49]  Yeah.
[01:10:49]  I've talked about it multiple times in this podcast because it doesn't fucking make sense to me.
[01:10:52]  Oh, well, fuck me.
[01:10:53]  But I've never heard of it.
[01:10:54]  But this response the cartels are almost without a doubt not spiking the blow, their cocaine with fentanyl.
[01:11:06]  In fact, they're taking measures now to prevent people from using cocaine that's laced with fentanyl.
[01:11:13]  All right?
[01:11:14]  Do you remember when I told you earlier that the drug cartels have become completely decentralized?
[01:11:21]  When they move drugs, they move them to the border, right?
[01:11:26]  With the US and usually sell them wholesale to Americans or, you know, Mexican Americans, Latino Americans, who then smuggle them across the border.
[01:11:37]  After that, the cartel's out of it.
[01:11:39]  They're like, there's no more cartel members that come to the States, basically, and that sell drugs for their bosses back home.
[01:11:49]  They're selling it wholesale and then retreating into the safety of Mexico.
[01:11:53]  So the people that are spiking the coke with fentanyl.
[01:11:57]  Are stupid dealers in the US that are trying to stretch the brick, trying to stretch the Coke.
[01:12:03]  But are they trying to stretch the Coke with fentanyl?
[01:12:07]  Because if I'm a Coke dealer, I want people to keep buying my Coke.
[01:12:12]  Not dying from using my product.
[01:12:14]  So is it.
[01:12:15]  I mean, I mean.
[01:12:18]  Here's what I've kind of assimilated from the whole thing is there's.
[01:12:23]  I've read an article about, I think it might have been a Vice article, where a guy went to like every big city across the US and tried the Coke.
[01:12:32]  Sounds like a vice article.
[01:12:33]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:12:34]  And basically, what he found out was that the cheap dealers who are selling to people on the streets, like low level drug dealers, those drug dealers are also selling shit like heroin.
[01:12:52]  Yeah.
[01:12:52]  So they're selling coke and heroin.
[01:12:53]  Yeah.
[01:12:54]  The high level drug dealers who are dealing with rich people or whatever, they're not selling heroin.
[01:12:58]  Right.
[01:12:58]  Most likely.
[01:12:59]  Right.
[01:12:59]  Right.
[01:13:00]  So the people that.
[01:13:02]  We know for a fact that they cut heroin with fentanyl.
[01:13:05]  Right.
[01:13:05]  Because almost the same effect.
[01:13:07]  Right.
[01:13:07]  One's just more stronger.
[01:13:08]  Well, but they is not the cartel.
[01:13:12]  The cartel doesn't cut.
[01:13:13]  Dealers in the U.S.
[01:13:13]  Yes, yes.
[01:13:14]  Dealers in the U.S.
[01:13:15]  So, yes, low level guys, guys buying ounces, they are using fentanyl to stretch coke because, A, if there's an overdose, this is crazy, but fiends want it more, especially with heroin, but also I think with cocaine a little bit.
[01:13:31]  If there's an OD, whether it results in a death or not, You know, the junkies find out about that and they're like, oh, he's got the bomb shit.
[01:13:39]  I think that's one of the reasons.
[01:13:41]  I think the other reason is a little bit of fentanyl goes a long way.
[01:13:45]  So, and if you've built up a tolerance to it, I think, I don't know, I think it's a different high.
[01:13:51]  I don't exactly know the mindset behind somebody, a dealer that would do that, but we can say for a fact that the cartels are not spiking their coke, their wholesale coke with fentanyl because what we found out when we were down there from Luis.
[01:14:09]  Is that in order to prevent that, the cartel has started pressing the heroin they make, the fentanyl that they cook, they've started pressing it into pink pills and exporting the pills.
[01:14:24]  So that way, if a dealer is chopping up fentanyl with Coke, that Coke is going to have a pinkish, reddish hue to it.
[01:14:32]  So, yeah, you guys stay away from that.
[01:14:34]  If you use cocaine and you see that it's got a red hue to it, that means it's got fentanyl in it.
[01:14:39]  So the cartels are doing us a favor.
[01:14:41]  Trying to, yeah.
[01:14:42]  Yeah.
[01:14:43]  Yeah, because so what I assumed is that the low level dealers were selling coke on one hand and heroin on the other hand could be mixing it up on the same table.
[01:14:51]  There's cross contamination too, for sure.
[01:14:53]  Yeah, that absolutely is.
[01:14:54]  But what you're saying is there it would be a case where having fentanyl in Coke would make somebody more addicted.
[01:15:01]  Yes, yes, exactly, exactly.
[01:15:04]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:15:06]  There's no way after spending time with these guys, I'm like, they are way too shrewd.
[01:15:10]  They're way too on point.
[01:15:12]  They would never be intentionally killing off their clientele.
[01:15:16]  They would never be.
[01:15:17]  And in fact, the penalty within the cartel for selling fentanyl in Kuliakan is death.
[01:15:23]  No questions asked.
[01:15:25]  There is a mandate from on high.
[01:15:28]  The man himself, he's like, there is Zambada.
[01:15:31]  Oh, from Zambada.
[01:15:32]  Okay.
[01:15:32]  Yeah.
[01:15:32]  And whoever leads, you know, Ovidio, who leads the Chapitos, right?
[01:15:35]  That's the other wing of the Sinaloa cartel.
[01:15:37]  Yeah.
[01:15:38]  There is to be no selling of fentanyl in Sinaloa state.
[01:15:42]  That is for export only.
[01:15:44]  So it's like, they know how dangerous it is.
[01:15:47]  Right.
[01:15:47]  They know how bad it is.
[01:15:48]  They're like, we would never taint a wholesale load of Colombian Coke with fentanyl.
[01:15:56]  Right.
[01:15:56]  Like, we keep that shit.
[01:15:57]  These markets are different.
[01:15:58]  You know, yeah, so and I believe it.
[01:16:02]  It makes sense.
[01:16:03]  These guys are smart.
[01:16:04]  The China thing is really weird how they have really like sunk their teeth into Mexico so much, yes, with the lithium mining, yeah, and the fentanyl, and all the other things.
[01:16:17]  But they've been deep, balls deep in Mexico for a long time, yes, absolutely, absolutely, yep.
[01:16:23]  And they just keep shipping more and more chemicals, precursor chemicals over there.
[01:16:27]  It reminds me of like the Russia Ukraine thing.

=== China Lithium Mining Influence (05:02) ===

[01:16:30]  Right now, because like Ukraine is like a tug of war between the United States and Russia.
[01:16:34]  That's right.
[01:16:35]  And it's Mexico is like in a tug of war between the United States and China.
[01:16:38]  China.
[01:16:39]  Yeah.
[01:16:39]  But the U.S. doesn't really, I mean, the U.S. does a little bit of business in Mexico, I guess.
[01:16:43]  Yeah.
[01:16:44]  But China is really fucking sinking their teeth into that.
[01:16:47]  They're playing Cold War with Mexico.
[01:16:49]  Yeah.
[01:16:50]  And it makes me wonder if the U.S. would ever just fucking invade Mexico.
[01:16:53]  Yeah.
[01:16:54]  But we're just like, we don't really need to invade because we're already, we already have like so many people in Mexico.
[01:17:01]  Yeah.
[01:17:01]  The DEA and the CIA and all these people.
[01:17:04]  I think Mexico is going to become like China in their manufacturing capabilities.
[01:17:10]  That's what I think.
[01:17:11]  I think Mexico is on the come up.
[01:17:13]  I think.
[01:17:14]  Yeah, there's a lot of natural resources in Mexico.
[01:17:16]  Totally.
[01:17:16]  And there's cheap labor, and it might not be as cheap as China, but who gives a fuck?
[01:17:23]  It's going to be better.
[01:17:23]  And it's right.
[01:17:25]  It's our southern neighbor.
[01:17:26]  So what China's proven is like, we cannot depend on them to manufacture our goods because the next crises that come up.
[01:17:34]  That's just more power that they have.
[01:17:35]  They love choking off products to us, right?
[01:17:39]  That's like part of the war that they make, part of that subtle war that they're always making with the US.
[01:17:44]  And they're still locking people down.
[01:17:46]  So it's like you can't depend on them to be your main manufacturer of your import goods.
[01:17:53]  So why not make it Mexico?
[01:17:55]  Right.
[01:17:56]  Yeah, I think it was Apple.
[01:17:58]  I saw a written article recently that Apple is diversifying a huge portion of its manufacturing of the iPhone and the MacBook out of China.
[01:18:08]  To, I think, Bangladesh, maybe.
[01:18:10]  Right.
[01:18:11]  Somewhere crazy, but they're already starting to diversify away from China.
[01:18:14]  Yeah.
[01:18:15]  People are getting away from it.
[01:18:16]  They're like, it's the cost is not, it's not worth it anymore.
[01:18:19]  Like, when you factor in all of that bullshit and the fact that they're going to steal your idea, like, if you're an inventor and you have a product and you want to go over and manufacture it in China, they're going to take it from you.
[01:18:29]  So it's just not worth it.
[01:18:30]  It's cheaper.
[01:18:31]  You might as well just manufacture it here in the US, you know?
[01:18:34]  Yeah.
[01:18:34]  China is such a weird thing, too.
[01:18:36]  Like, I think if you get caught, oh, Apple Explorers moving some, oh, they're exploring.
[01:18:40]  Exploring moving some iPad production to India sources say when was this published?
[01:18:45]  There are, it's a bunch of companies doing it.
[01:18:47]  Oh, this was just published.
[01:18:48]  Yeah, there's a ton of companies doing it.
[01:18:52]  I had this guy on here multiple times who was a former mortgage fraudster.
[01:18:58]  And we, one time we did like a whole episode about China.
[01:19:02]  He's like a fucking genius.
[01:19:05]  He knows every, he's an encyclopedia on China.
[01:19:07]  And it's funny when you look into the laws in China and like how many laws are punishable by death.
[01:19:15]  Yeah.
[01:19:15]  Fraud, any kind of financial fraud is death.
[01:19:18]  That's wild.
[01:19:19]  So you run a Ponzi scheme, they're cutting your head off.
[01:19:22]  Or mortgage fraud.
[01:19:23]  Or are you fucking for.
[01:19:24]  Write a bad check.
[01:19:25]  You white out and change your fucking income on a mortgage application or something.
[01:19:30]  Wow.
[01:19:31]  Death.
[01:19:31]  Can we look up all of the death punishable things in China?
[01:19:36]  Yeah.
[01:19:36]  Find a list of all of the crimes that are punishable by death in China.
[01:19:40]  It is pretty wild.
[01:19:41]  And it.
[01:19:44]  What's so funny is, though, like, obviously, like, the biggest fraudster is the Chinese Communist Party.
[01:19:50]  Yeah.
[01:19:50]  They can just take all your shit.
[01:19:51]  Like, it doesn't matter.
[01:19:53]  You have to, there, you can't do business in China.
[01:19:56]  Like, Kind of how you can't do business in Sinaloa without the cartel's blessing.
[01:20:01]  You can't do business in China without the government being involved.
[01:20:04]  You have to go to them first.
[01:20:07]  Betrayal of the country, number one.
[01:20:10]  Can you zoom in on that a little bit?
[01:20:11]  It's kind of small.
[01:20:12]  Armed rebellion and rioting.
[01:20:13]  Armed rebellion and rioting.
[01:20:14]  Collaborating with the enemy and betrayal.
[01:20:19]  I love these words they use spying or espionage.
[01:20:24]  Does that say flooding?
[01:20:26]  Yes, flooding.
[01:20:27]  What the fuck does that mean?
[01:20:28]  Explosion.
[01:20:31]  Spreading hazardous substances.
[01:20:32]  Keep going down.
[01:20:35]  Spreading hazardous substances.
[01:20:37]  Hijacking in aircraft.
[01:20:40]  Trafficking in women and children.
[01:20:42]  Robbery.
[01:20:43]  Rape, intentional injury.
[01:20:46]  That could be a thousand.
[01:20:47]  These are all things that you would not be surprised about.
[01:20:50]  This is all things that would.
[01:20:51]  Gathering crowds to raid a prison with weapons.
[01:20:56]  Defying orders.
[01:20:57]  Okay.
[01:20:57]  Defying orders in wartime is punishable.
[01:21:00]  Well, think about that.
[01:21:01]  Like it's bad, but we're looking at a list of things that are punishable by death.
[01:21:04]  Yeah.
[01:21:05]  Right.
[01:21:05]  Surrender, punishable by death.
[01:21:07]  Unreal.
[01:21:08]  That's some old school Soviet shit.
[01:21:11]  Retreaters will be shot.
[01:21:13]  Google fraud and drug crimes punishable by death in China.
[01:21:23]  I think China actually executes way more people than any other country every year.
[01:21:29]  They have mobile death squads.
[01:21:30]  They'll come to your house and kill you.

=== Punishable By Death Crimes (10:48) ===

[01:21:32]  Right.
[01:21:32]  Right.
[01:21:32]  That's very convenient.
[01:21:34]  They got an app for it.
[01:21:36]  It's like Uber Eats.
[01:21:37]  It's just like, yeah, Uber Gallows.
[01:21:40]  Yo, that could be, but that's, it's literally covers almost everything.
[01:21:45]  That could be anything.
[01:21:46]  Like rioting, you could call the people that are protesting against the lockdowns rioters.
[01:21:51]  Yeah, 100%.
[01:21:52]  Ooh, I would be, I'm terrified.
[01:21:55]  I will never go to China.
[01:21:56]  Not until things change.
[01:21:57]  I'm terrified, dude.
[01:22:00]  Yeah, bro, that's fucking scary.
[01:22:03]  Surrender.
[01:22:05]  So, yeah, how old were you and at what point did you get busted and actually go to prison?
[01:22:11]  I was 24 when I got locked up.
[01:22:13]  I was 24 and I had made my million bucks.
[01:22:16]  You know, I'd done my, I'd achieved what I'd set out to and I just got popped.
[01:22:23]  I never got caught with any drugs, actually.
[01:22:25]  I got caught with a bunch of money.
[01:22:27]  I got caught with money.
[01:22:28]  Yeah, it was the people that were shipping my, that was shipping my money back from the East Coast.
[01:22:34]  It got picked up by either like a drug sniffing dog.
[01:22:38]  Probably in like a sorting facility, and they put a little tracking device in it and it brought them to me.
[01:22:46]  Yeah, that's simple, right?
[01:22:47]  Was it?
[01:22:47]  I didn't even know the dogs could sniff money.
[01:22:49]  Oh, dude.
[01:22:50]  It's like one of the main ways that cops go after drug dealers now is their money.
[01:22:55]  Because I could lose all the drugs in the world.
[01:22:57]  I could just go to my guy, my grower, and be like, hey, I need you to front me 50 pieces, right?
[01:23:03]  And he can always do that pretty much.
[01:23:05]  But, dude, if I lose half a million bucks, that's gone.
[01:23:10]  So these guys were not the brightest.
[01:23:12]  Some of these guys got a little loose at the end.
[01:23:16]  They would send me over packages of 30, 40, 50 grand, and it would just reek.
[01:23:21]  Would reek of fucking weed smoke.
[01:23:24]  It was like they were smoking blunts as they were counting my money up and like blowing it on the money.
[01:23:28]  I'm like, are you guys, are you doing this on purpose?
[01:23:30]  Do you want me to go to prison?
[01:23:32]  Are you the fucking feds?
[01:23:33]  I would tell them, you gotta, you gotta wrap my money with the same care that I wrap.
[01:23:37]  Oh, yeah.
[01:23:37]  I remember you saying that.
[01:23:38]  Yeah.
[01:23:38]  Vacuum seal my cash.
[01:23:39]  Yeah, you have to.
[01:23:40]  So, but no, the drugs are, think about how drugs are on money all the time Coke, weed, everything.
[01:23:47]  So those dogs must have hit on it and it brought them to me.
[01:23:52]  So, yeah.
[01:23:53]  Yeah, that simple.
[01:23:55]  It wasn't a wiretap.
[01:23:56]  It wasn't all these fucking cartel members that I was dealing with in Columbia or the Sinaloans that I was picking up, you know, massive 100, 100 pound orders at a time from in Northern California.
[01:24:07]  It was something as dumb, as simple as them intercepting a package of money.
[01:24:13]  Yeah.
[01:24:14]  But that's how it goes in the game, dude.
[01:24:15]  How did it go down?
[01:24:16]  Like, what was it?
[01:24:17]  What was that day?
[01:24:18]  Like, did they knock on your door?
[01:24:20]  No, no, no, no.
[01:24:21]  I went down.
[01:24:22]  I had different locations where I would get.
[01:24:25]  My money packages sent to.
[01:24:27]  I would get them either FedExed or UPSed in, right?
[01:24:30]  The next day, like next day air.
[01:24:32]  Yeah.
[01:24:32]  And I went to pick up one of the packages at a like a P.O. box where I would receive, you know, it was under a fake name, right?
[01:24:41]  But I picked the package up and I walked out and I got my car and I see it's the fucking, I see these two Suburbans following me and I'm like, oh shit, this is it.
[01:24:51]  So I took, I was like, well, I'm definitely not going home now, right?
[01:24:55]  I'm not going back to where I live now.
[01:24:58]  So I fucking hit it.
[01:24:59]  I took, you know, I took him on a little high speed chase through the neighborhood.
[01:25:03]  I actually got away.
[01:25:05]  I got away.
[01:25:05]  I talked, I talked about this on an episode.
[01:25:07]  I talked to my lawyer.
[01:25:08]  I was going like 90 through school zones, right?
[01:25:11]  I talked to my lawyer.
[01:25:12]  He was like, the reason they didn't pursue, follow you, because they kind of backed off when they saw that I was like revving it.
[01:25:18]  I was, I had a Dodge Magnum at the time.
[01:25:21]  That was the hot car in 2010.
[01:25:24]  And that thing, you know, it's got a fucking Hemi.
[01:25:26]  That thing bolts, moves.
[01:25:28]  So, That's what the cops drive usually.
[01:25:30]  So I had a better car than the cops.
[01:25:32]  And my lawyer was like, Yeah, they didn't give chase because most local pigs, most local cops don't speed through neighborhoods because if they hit somebody and get killed, that person can sue.
[01:25:43]  They're liable.
[01:25:44]  So it's kind of a safety thing.
[01:25:46]  So if any of you are considering a high speed chase, do it through a school zone.
[01:25:51]  There's a little pro tip.
[01:25:52]  Yeah, be responsible and do it through a school zone.
[01:25:56]  So I was daytime.
[01:25:57]  School wasn't out yet.
[01:25:59]  So yeah, but then I made it back.
[01:26:02]  Safely.
[01:26:03]  So I parked the car in a little tiny little residential area and I it's dark, it's almost dark now.
[01:26:10]  I make it back to my place.
[01:26:12]  I don't have any bills in my name or anything.
[01:26:14]  I have never sold drugs at my place.
[01:26:17]  I don't think anybody knows what my parents didn't even know where I lived.
[01:26:21]  Only one person knew where I lived.
[01:26:25]  Okay.
[01:26:26]  One person that I dealt with.
[01:26:28]  Okay.
[01:26:28]  He was another drug dealer, but I didn't sell drugs to him.
[01:26:31]  Okay.
[01:26:32]  I didn't deal with him at all.
[01:26:33]  He was just an old friend from the neighborhood.
[01:26:35]  Okay.
[01:26:36]  And he would come over and we would smoke weed every now and then catch up.
[01:26:41]  So, anyways, I go back to my place and I'm like, nobody knows where I live.
[01:26:46]  I should be fine.
[01:26:47]  I didn't see anything.
[01:26:50]  I get into my house, fucking lock the door, get under my covers.
[01:26:53]  You know, I'm fucking shaking.
[01:26:54]  I'm traumatized.
[01:26:55]  I lay my head back to fucking take a nap.
[01:26:58]  And then I just wake up to just pounding on the fucking door.
[01:27:01]  Police, police, police.
[01:27:03]  So I go down there and I'm like, guys, relax, relax.
[01:27:06]  It's just me.
[01:27:06]  There's no guns in here, right?
[01:27:08]  I'm a fucking rich guy.
[01:27:09]  Like, I'm not selling meth.
[01:27:12]  Like, do you know what I mean?
[01:27:15]  So they run up in there, fucking search the place.
[01:27:19]  Find some keys to some safe deposit boxes, find a bunch of cash right there.
[01:27:23]  End of the day, I think they must have confiscated like $750,000, $800,000.
[01:27:29]  Oh my God.
[01:27:30]  So that one hurt.
[01:27:31]  But I kept thinking, how the fuck did they know where I lived?
[01:27:37]  My lawyer looked into it later.
[01:27:39]  I gave him the name of this guy, the only person that had ever been to my house.
[01:27:44]  I'm like, this guy's a drug dealer.
[01:27:46]  There's no way.
[01:27:48]  I didn't sell drugs to him.
[01:27:49]  There's just no way.
[01:27:51]  He was involved and he goes, I think that guy might be ratting, working for the cops, and they're letting him operate on the streets.
[01:28:00]  Right?
[01:28:01]  Right.
[01:28:02]  And I looked into it further.
[01:28:04]  I talked to some guys also who knew this kid from the neighborhood, and they were like, Yeah, that dude, that dude's been cop before, never done a day of jail time.
[01:28:13]  That guy is working for the Portland police.
[01:28:17]  They're letting him sell drugs.
[01:28:19]  And just like the cartel members, just like Mayo fed Chapo to the cops, right?
[01:28:25]  To the fucking feds, Mexican military.
[01:28:28]  This guy had quotas.
[01:28:30]  He would have to feed different guys to, you know, the cops.
[01:28:35]  So, to basically stay out of prison.
[01:28:38]  So, you know.
[01:28:39]  Did they offer you the same deal?
[01:28:41]  They wanted to get me to snitch right away.
[01:28:42]  Yeah.
[01:28:43]  They thought I was there with it.
[01:28:44]  They saw all this money and they were like, oh, there's you.
[01:28:47]  Absolutely.
[01:28:48]  You are definitely working with the cartels.
[01:28:50]  There's no question.
[01:28:51]  They were like, give us your suppliers right now.
[01:28:54]  We'll kick you out right now.
[01:28:56]  You will not, we won't even put the handcuffs on you.
[01:28:58]  But what would they do if you're like, okay, my supplier's in the fucking Medellin cartel?
[01:29:04]  Well, the Sinaloa cartel.
[01:29:05]  Like, what are they going to do?
[01:29:06]  They can't do it.
[01:29:06]  Well, but remember, I'm buying my pot from Sinaloan cartel members that are operating in the U.S.
[01:29:14]  Yeah.
[01:29:14]  That doesn't really happen anymore because weed's basically legal.
[01:29:17]  They stay in Mexico now.
[01:29:19]  But I was buying from a guy in a little town on the border of Northern California, and they had these huge pot grows up in the forest.
[01:29:28]  They would hike on federal land hours.
[01:29:32]  Away from everything, and they would run irrigation through it.
[01:29:35]  I mean, only Mexican guys have that kind of work ethic to be able to like find enough sunlight and enough water.
[01:29:42]  And I mean, it's amazing.
[01:29:43]  And they would have like, you know, thousands and thousands of plants every year.
[01:29:49]  And so, what the cops wanted to do, they would have been like, dude, we'll give you marked money, right?
[01:29:54]  You can use the money we just found, we can use your money.
[01:29:58]  And yeah, we'll wire you up, we'll mark the money, and you go start making buys for us.
[01:30:02]  Right.
[01:30:02]  Like, that's probably how they would have done, I imagine.
[01:30:04]  Yeah.
[01:30:05]  If I had decided to cooperate, you know?
[01:30:07]  But I'm like, you guys don't have any fucking drugs.
[01:30:09]  Like, I'm fighting this.
[01:30:11]  You know what I mean?
[01:30:11]  Right.
[01:30:12]  I can't say, dude, if I was facing 30 years in prison for drugs, I can't sit here with a straight face and say I wouldn't cooperate.
[01:30:19]  Like, who fucking knows?
[01:30:20]  Right.
[01:30:20]  You know?
[01:30:21]  Yeah.
[01:30:21]  That's one of the biggest, like, wives' tales about prison, I feel like.
[01:30:25]  Yeah.
[01:30:26]  From what I've heard, is that like the whole like snitching is the worst thing you could do.
[01:30:30]  How dare you even consider being a snitch when like 99.9% of the people that are there.
[01:30:35]  Most people in federal prison probably have cooperated in some way because the drug laws are so harsh that, um, especially back in the day with crack, yeah, that just because a guy's doing 10 years doesn't mean he didn't snitch.
[01:30:49]  He was just keeping himself from doing 30 or life, you know, taking deals, cooperating, right?
[01:30:55]  Um, so yeah, it's, uh, it's a, It is like it's such a cruel thing that the law does, you know.
[01:31:02]  They take your life and they just dangle it in front of your face.
[01:31:05]  Do you like your life?
[01:31:06]  That is right.
[01:31:08]  I got a way out.
[01:31:09]  That's I got a way out.
[01:31:10]  It's evil, bro.
[01:31:12]  And they act like they're your savior, like we're gonna help you out here, yeah, you know.
[01:31:18]  So, um, but yeah, it's uh, you knew because they didn't find any drugs, just cash, yeah, you knew that, yeah, I would never cooperate on the spot, anyways.
[01:31:26]  Like, if you're if you're you know, you never talk to the cops, you get your lawyer.
[01:31:31]  And there's deals that are made behind closed doors, but you would never sign anything.
[01:31:37]  You would never, you know, you don't have to talk to them.
[01:31:39]  You could just clam up, you know, like, because you're not going to talk your way out of it.
[01:31:44]  I'll tell you that much.
[01:31:44]  I mean, I tried.
[01:31:45]  I was like, look, I tried to bribe them because these were like, there was only like four guys over at the house.
[01:31:52]  Okay.
[01:31:53]  So I, and these were like guys in tracksuits.
[01:31:57]  They hadn't made a big commotion.
[01:31:59]  They didn't come in there.
[01:32:00]  These were undercovers.
[01:32:01]  Okay.
[01:32:01]  They didn't come in with the SWAT gear.
[01:32:03]  You know, I don't even think the neighbors, because I lived in a nice area, I don't even think the neighbors knew what was going on at this point.
[01:32:09]  They didn't kick the door down.
[01:32:10]  I let them in, you know, because they had the warrant.
[01:32:14]  I was like, dude, look at all this cash.
[01:32:17]  Like, your boss isn't here yet.
[01:32:18]  Your supervisor's not here.
[01:32:20]  Take this money.

=== Never Talk To The Cops (16:05) ===

[01:32:21]  I will go get you another $200,000.
[01:32:24]  Just give me a day.
[01:32:26]  Just give me a day, and I'll come back.
[01:32:31]  I'll be around.
[01:32:32]  I'll work for you.
[01:32:34]  And I'll give you this money.
[01:32:35]  Just let me get out of here.
[01:32:36]  And what I was going to do was go get the rest of my cash if they had gone for it.
[01:32:40]  And I was going to flee.
[01:32:41]  I was going to go to Columbia.
[01:32:43]  Did you think they would have considered it at all?
[01:32:45]  Nope.
[01:32:45]  What was their reaction?
[01:32:46]  These fucking dorks.
[01:32:48]  They got pissed.
[01:32:49]  These fucking nerds.
[01:32:50]  I was like, this is such Northwest white boy bullshit.
[01:32:53]  If these were Italians from fucking, you know, the South Bronx or, you know, Boston, some Irish cops, they would have been on their fishing boats already.
[01:33:03]  They would have been retired.
[01:33:05]  But, anyways, you know, the guy, one of the guys got pissed.
[01:33:08]  He was like, you motherfucker.
[01:33:09]  Like, they took it as an insult, you know?
[01:33:11]  I'm like, hey, dude, just offering you dorks.
[01:33:14]  That's stupid.
[01:33:16]  Yeah.
[01:33:16]  So, so what ended up happening?
[01:33:18]  You ended up.
[01:33:19]  So they brought me in.
[01:33:21]  They couldn't get anything out of me.
[01:33:22]  So they arrested me.
[01:33:23]  They brought me in.
[01:33:23]  They booked me.
[01:33:24]  I was denied bail.
[01:33:26]  Like, I didn't have, I had bail money.
[01:33:28]  They were like, no, you don't have.
[01:33:30]  The judge was like, I will not set a bail for you because you're clearly a high level.
[01:33:35]  You know, you seem to be a high flight risk because of the amount of cash we caught with you.
[01:33:43]  We think you have international criminal connections.
[01:33:46]  So, yeah, you got to fight your case from jail, from county jail.
[01:33:50]  And that's the hardest time.
[01:33:52]  That is the hardest.
[01:33:53]  Every day feels like a week in county jail.
[01:33:56]  Yeah.
[01:33:57]  Every week feels like a year.
[01:33:58]  It is brutal.
[01:34:01]  The deprivation.
[01:34:02]  Where was the jail at?
[01:34:03]  This was in Portland.
[01:34:04]  In Portland.
[01:34:05]  Okay.
[01:34:06]  Yeah.
[01:34:06]  And you think Portland's like this nice, you know, you associate it with like, you know, vegan donuts, but man, there's gang banging going on.
[01:34:12]  And in county jail, dude, the first thing you do, you walk in, you have to fight.
[01:34:16]  First, so like one of the first things I did on my first morning, walked out, they were like, Hey, skinny kid, who are you fighting?
[01:34:23]  You got to fade.
[01:34:24]  You're going to fade now, or you're going to have to, we're going to beat you up and you're going to have to go to protective custody and hang out with the child molesters.
[01:34:30]  And I'm like, all right, well, I guess we're going to fucking fight.
[01:34:33]  So you got into a bunch of fights?
[01:34:34]  Yep, dude.
[01:34:34]  I got into like five or six fights in my eight months that I was in county fighting my case.
[01:34:40]  And that's what kicked my security level up to like, you know, the highest level it could be.
[01:34:46]  And that's why I got sent to a maximum security prison.
[01:34:48]  So how fucked up is that?
[01:34:49]  That's like a guy who doesn't even, I shouldn't be around, I shouldn't be in a cell with a guy doing 500 years who was a shot caller for the Hells Angels.
[01:34:58]  Like, why am I a nonviolent kid, you know, stepping over bodies in a maximum security prison?
[01:35:05]  It's because I had to fight when I was in jail.
[01:35:08]  So they make it so you can't prevent it, you know?
[01:35:12]  That's fucking terrifying, man.
[01:35:14]  Yep.
[01:35:15]  So what was it like finally getting transferred out of the county jail to the supermax?
[01:35:23]  No, no, no, no.
[01:35:24]  It was just a max.
[01:35:25]  It was just a maximum security.
[01:35:27]  Two Rivers Correctional Facility.
[01:35:29]  There's a medium and a maximum.
[01:35:31]  It's like two different facilities on the same piece of land.
[01:35:34]  But you're begging to go to prison after being in county for that long.
[01:35:39]  You're just like, oh my God, let me get to a home.
[01:35:42]  Let me get this wrapped up.
[01:35:45]  Whatever my fate's going to be, let's go.
[01:35:48]  So they put you on, first of all, they send you to a sorting facility, a sorting prison.
[01:35:54]  You didn't go to the prison until you got sentenced, right?
[01:35:55]  That's right.
[01:35:56]  You get sentenced.
[01:35:57]  So we came, we agreed, we took a plea deal finally.
[01:36:01]  So the longer you wait, the longer you fight your case, if you've got a good case.
[01:36:05]  Right?
[01:36:06]  Meaning it's not a slam dunk for the prosecution, the more willing they're going to be to make a good deal with you.
[01:36:12]  So, my lawyer would tell me, just hang on, buddy, because the longer you can wait, the more the prosecutor wants to get your case off the books.
[01:36:22]  Right?
[01:36:22]  Right.
[01:36:23]  Because it's all about statistics.
[01:36:24]  They want as much incarceration time as possible because it justifies budgets every year and all this stuff and just keeping the apparatus going and their job.
[01:36:32]  And I'm sure you didn't have a public defender.
[01:36:34]  No, I had a good lawyer.
[01:36:35]  Yeah.
[01:36:35]  I had a very good lawyer.
[01:36:37]  He was an obese.
[01:36:39]  We called him the fat man.
[01:36:40]  We called him the fat man.
[01:36:41]  Gorski.
[01:36:42]  That's his real name.
[01:36:42]  Shout out Gorski, one of the best defense lawyers in the Portland metropolitan area.
[01:36:47]  And I hired him because I'm like, a guy with this much money to eat has got to be winning some cases.
[01:36:52]  So he was like, the longer you stay in here, the more they're willing to play ball.
[01:36:57]  So signed a plea deal for 36 months, money laundering, conspiracy.
[01:37:02]  Yeah.
[01:37:03]  And then they ship you out of jail that night.
[01:37:05]  They wake you up and they say, roll up.
[01:37:08]  And you put all your belongings in a sack and they They put you on a bus, they put you on the chain, and then they sent us to a prison, like a holding facility where you wait, right?
[01:37:22]  Until they find a bed space for you in whatever prison you're going to go to, right?
[01:37:26]  Right.
[01:37:27]  So I was there, and that's like being in solitary confinement.
[01:37:30]  They keep you locked up basically 24 hours a day in a little cell.
[01:37:35]  So that was torturous, too.
[01:37:37]  And yeah, then the day they say, Hey, you're going off to two rivers, and I was like, Fuck, it's the last place I wanted to go to.
[01:37:43]  Because that's a rough prison and it's eight hours from Portland in the middle of nowhere, right?
[01:37:48]  Eastern Oregon.
[01:37:50]  And so they put us on a chain, right?
[01:37:52]  We call it the gray goose.
[01:37:53]  You're locked up.
[01:37:54]  You got your ankles and your wrists are bound.
[01:37:58]  And, you know, you're on the bus for eight hours.
[01:38:02]  They take you off, right?
[01:38:04]  You step off the bus, you're chained up side by side.
[01:38:07]  And, you know, you're like, wow, this is your new home.
[01:38:11]  You're completely, it's an out of body experience.
[01:38:12]  If you've never been through the prison system before, nobody tells you what's going on either.
[01:38:17]  So you're like, I'm just being brought through this gigantic bureaucracy, and I don't even know.
[01:38:22]  I don't even know why half of the things are as they are.
[01:38:25]  And so we're lined up.
[01:38:27]  They get us off the bus, off the Grey Goose, in front of two rivers.
[01:38:31]  We're lined up, chained up together.
[01:38:34]  And this big Samoan dude, he's maybe like three or four men down from me on the chain.
[01:38:40]  He fucking, as soon as they uncuff him, he turns and he fucking punches this guy next to him.
[01:38:44]  He drops him like hard as fuck, just drops him.
[01:38:48]  That dude ended up dying.
[01:38:50]  He killed that dude.
[01:38:50]  That was all.
[01:38:51]  And the guy who punched him.
[01:38:52]  From the punch?
[01:38:53]  Yes.
[01:38:53]  And that guy was a Samoan guy.
[01:38:56]  And he was a lifer.
[01:38:58]  And so he was trying to prove his stripes right away.
[01:39:01]  God.
[01:39:01]  Yeah.
[01:39:02]  And I was like, oh my, over some marijuana, over some fucking weed.
[01:39:09]  And now 11 years later, my fucking, you know, my mom smokes it to take gummies to go to bed.
[01:39:15]  Wow.
[01:39:16]  Yeah.
[01:39:19]  Wow.
[01:39:19]  So that's, you know, and there's been far worse stories of guys, you know, get locked up behind weed and drugs specifically.
[01:39:28]  Yeah.
[01:39:29]  How many of the guys that you met that were in that prison were in there for something similar to you?
[01:39:33]  Just like nonviolent drug.
[01:39:36]  I was pretty unique.
[01:39:38]  I was pretty unique in that way because in that prison, that was mostly, you know, violent criminals and a lot of sex offenders and a lot of, yeah, a lot of people doing life.
[01:39:50]  Most guys at my level of the drug game would have gone to federal prison or they would have been in a lower security prison.
[01:39:57]  So I was pretty unique.
[01:39:58]  Oh, so you were in a state prison?
[01:40:00]  I was in a state prison.
[01:40:02]  Oh, shit.
[01:40:03]  I didn't catch a Fed charge.
[01:40:04]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:40:04]  I didn't catch a Fed charge.
[01:40:06]  The feds confiscated my money.
[01:40:07]  So, at the day I got arrested, they sent the DEA and Homeland Security down to investigate me.
[01:40:13]  And they originally did charge me with a federal crime, but when they couldn't link, when they didn't have any links to drug sources, they were like, this is, I guess they thought it wasn't worth their time.
[01:40:24]  So, they just seized the money and then gave the case back to the state.
[01:40:27]  Fuck.
[01:40:28]  Yeah.
[01:40:28]  It would have been way better to be in a federal prison, right?
[01:40:31]  Not a maximum security federal prison.
[01:40:33]  Those are far, that's a myth.
[01:40:35]  The lower security.
[01:40:36]  Yeah, really?
[01:40:36]  Yeah.
[01:40:37]  And I have a lot of these guys on my podcast and you hear their stories and it's like, it makes my time look pretty tame, considering.
[01:40:45]  Yes, the low level federal securities, like the camps, that's cake, right?
[01:40:50]  That's where, like, you know, they send the wolf of Wall Street.
[01:40:52]  He's playing tennis and shit.
[01:40:54]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:40:56]  So I don't know.
[01:40:56]  It depends where I would have got sent to.
[01:40:58]  But no, those max federal prisons are as tough, usually a lot more violent than an average state prison.
[01:41:05]  Really?
[01:41:06]  Because people are doing so much time, and there's people from everywhere.
[01:41:09]  There's gangbangers and drug dealers from Chicago and New York and LA.
[01:41:14]  And yeah, it's wild.
[01:41:16]  Go listen to my podcast.
[01:41:17]  I got some stories coming up from these guys, and you're just like, this is some third world shit.
[01:41:23]  You would hear stories about this.
[01:41:24]  You know, like my friend who was on my show, Big Herc, he's got a great YouTube channel.
[01:41:33]  He would be like, yeah.
[01:41:36]  Yeah, people will get stabbed, and if the guy didn't die, like the guy who was doing the stabbing, if the guy he stabbed didn't die, they would just send the dude, the perpetrator, to the hole for 30 days.
[01:41:47]  And then they bring him back out because they didn't want to deal with it because there was so much of that going on.
[01:41:51]  Yeah.
[01:41:51]  Yeah.
[01:41:52]  So they would send the guy who got stabbed to the hole.
[01:41:54]  That's so crazy.
[01:41:56]  My friend Matt, who was in prison for mortgage fraud for like 12 years.
[01:42:00]  Oh, thank God it was in China, dude.
[01:42:02]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:42:03]  He went to do Big Herc's podcast, and when he was doing his podcast, he explained to him.
[01:42:09]  That he basically found everyone he could to snitch on to lower his sentence.
[01:42:12]  He got like 10 years off his sentence by snitching on people.
[01:42:15]  Wow.
[01:42:16]  He even found people in prison, like the one old guy who ran a Ponzi scheme, kept walking the yard with him every day and getting him to tell him stuff.
[01:42:24]  And he just gave it.
[01:42:24]  The guy ended up only getting like an extra year and a half on a sentence, but Matt got like five years off his sentence for basically stitching on this guy.
[01:42:32]  Whoa.
[01:42:32]  So he was telling Big Herc about like casually.
[01:42:35]  He's like, he's like, absolutely.
[01:42:36]  I cut anybody's throat I possibly could.
[01:42:38]  And I guess Big Herc almost ended the podcast.
[01:42:40]  Right.
[01:42:41]  For sure.
[01:42:42]  He wanted to like, he was like, started sweating and he was about to like stop, like, stop her.
[01:42:46]  And like kick him out of the hotel room they were in.
[01:42:48]  Wow.
[01:42:48]  Yeah, I would have.
[01:42:49]  That's despicable.
[01:42:50]  Matt said it was the most uncomfortable conversation he's ever had.
[01:42:53]  Yeah, I fucking believe it, dude.
[01:42:55]  That kind of shit is despicable.
[01:42:58]  Like, there's one thing, it's one thing to like give up info.
[01:43:03]  And this is what a guy was explaining to me, too.
[01:43:05]  Like, there's a difference between snitching and ratting.
[01:43:09]  Snitching, when you're in jail, means like you're cooperating with authorities about something outside of.
[01:43:17]  The prison, right?
[01:43:19]  Whether it's your case or whatever.
[01:43:21]  And then you might just get beat down for that.
[01:43:23]  You might just get beat down or exiled or whatever.
[01:43:25]  That's kind of like nobody's business.
[01:43:28]  But fucking ratting, ratting like that in prison where everybody's supposed to be like, we're in this together.
[01:43:35]  That's despicable.
[01:43:37]  But a guy who committed mortgage fraud, you can't expect that guy to be.
[01:43:41]  That's a gigantic lie.
[01:43:42]  At least he doesn't lie about it.
[01:43:44]  At least he doesn't lie about the stitching.
[01:43:46]  You know what?
[01:43:47]  I'm fine with that.
[01:43:48]  I guess we can give him that.
[01:43:51]  You got to get this guy on your podcast.
[01:43:53]  Oh, I will.
[01:43:53]  You and him.
[01:43:54]  I will not end the conversation.
[01:43:56]  I would him would be like, I could.
[01:43:58]  Does he live in LA?
[01:43:59]  No, he lives here.
[01:44:00]  Oh, we'll get him out there.
[01:44:01]  He lives like an hour from here.
[01:44:02]  You and him in a room together, I could listen to that for fucking hours.
[01:44:05]  You guys would be great.
[01:44:07]  Yeah, it was.
[01:44:08]  Yeah, you know, people do a lot of things to save their skin.
[01:44:14]  But man, that guy's lucky he didn't get a fucking bone crusher.
[01:44:18]  You know, he didn't get stabbed up.
[01:44:20]  He is five foot.
[01:44:25]  Five foot five with a good pair of shoes on.
[01:44:27]  Wow, he's a tiny little twink, tiny little guy.
[01:44:31]  And that's what he said, that's what pretty much what Morgan motivated his entire life his whole like his sting is his straw, yeah, and like his stature.
[01:44:40]  He had a thing for like hot single moms and buying them fake tits, right?
[01:44:44]  Right, like every single thing he said he had met openly.
[01:44:47]  He goes, I could honestly, if I really think about it, every single motivation in my life that has driven me.
[01:44:55]  Has all gone back to my height.
[01:44:57]  Short man syndrome.
[01:45:01]  Who is that honest about that?
[01:45:03]  Wow.
[01:45:03]  That's pretty crazy.
[01:45:04]  That's incredible.
[01:45:05]  He's gone as far.
[01:45:06]  I mean, he's got, he spent like 10 grand on his hairline to get his hair.
[01:45:10]  He's got a better hairline than me.
[01:45:12]  He's looked into having his shins elongated.
[01:45:17]  Oh my God, dude.
[01:45:19]  Wow.
[01:45:20]  Dude.
[01:45:20]  Just driven.
[01:45:21]  What about some therapy?
[01:45:22]  What about just being okay with yourself?
[01:45:25]  You know?
[01:45:26]  He wouldn't be as successful as he is now.
[01:45:28]  What's he do now?
[01:45:29]  Now he's a podcast.
[01:45:30]  He's a true crime podcast and he writes books.
[01:45:32]  Wow.
[01:45:32]  He writes books.
[01:45:33]  He's successful at it.
[01:45:34]  Oh, he's so successful.
[01:45:35]  He's one of the most successful.
[01:45:36]  Like the first podcast I did with him on here was when he was still in the halfway house.
[01:45:41]  He had never done an interview anywhere.
[01:45:42]  He just emailed me because he saw my show, like some of the little documentaries I was doing on real estate.
[01:45:47]  And he emailed me and he's like, Hey, I went to jail for mortgage fraud.
[01:45:51]  Could you help me make a TV show?
[01:45:52]  And I'm like, I don't know about that, but come to my podcast and we'll see if anyone likes it.
[01:45:58]  Yeah.
[01:45:58]  That was like the jump off for this podcast.
[01:46:01]  Oh, no shit.
[01:46:02]  So I did that.
[01:46:03]  And within a week, it had a million views.
[01:46:05]  Wow.
[01:46:05]  So I'll definitely, I might be able to get a TV show made for him.
[01:46:09]  I'm out in LA, you know, you never know.
[01:46:10]  Well, he's already, now he's got, now that he's like made all this success, now he's got like production companies and networks knocking his door down.
[01:46:18]  That's the way to do it.
[01:46:20]  Oh, wow.
[01:46:20]  Yeah.
[01:46:21]  Matthew Cox.
[01:46:23]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:46:23]  People have reached out to me telling me to get this guy on the show.
[01:46:26]  Oh, man, he's great.
[01:46:27]  I've done like 10 podcasts with him ever since, but he's like taking that, like ever since we did that first podcast, I've never seen anybody take an opportunity and go so far.
[01:46:36]  Yeah.
[01:46:36]  He's the spokesperson.
[01:46:38]  He's like the Ronald McDonald of home title lock.
[01:46:42]  Oh, really?
[01:46:42]  So, like, he is on all these internet, like, these nationwide TV commercials.
[01:46:46]  Wow.
[01:46:47]  Like, doing all this stuff.
[01:46:48]  People fly him to do, like, talk at conferences.
[01:46:50]  Right.
[01:46:51]  So, he's basically become like the Jordan Belfort.
[01:46:53]  Yeah.
[01:46:53]  Speaking of the Wolf of Wall Street.
[01:46:55]  Yeah.
[01:46:56]  He talks about how you get away with it.
[01:46:58]  He probably talks to law enforcement.
[01:47:00]  Yes.
[01:47:01]  Yeah.
[01:47:01]  Yeah.
[01:47:03]  Guys go full rat, dude.
[01:47:05]  Guys go full rat.
[01:47:06]  He looks like a rat, doesn't he?
[01:47:08]  He looks like a fucking rat.
[01:47:10]  Oh, my fucking God.
[01:47:11]  It looks like a chicken.
[01:47:12]  You couldn't trust him as far as you could tell.
[01:47:14]  No, no, dude.
[01:47:14]  With that grin.
[01:47:15]  No.
[01:47:16]  With that.
[01:47:16]  Fucking teeth, they're just shining all out of his mouth.
[01:47:20]  Tom Titelock has a dedicated web page on the website for him.
[01:47:26]  Cox falsified documents to make it appear that he owned properties and then fraudulently obtained several mortgages on them for five to six times their actual worth.
[01:47:35]  He acquired millions of dollars this way.
[01:47:39]  He has between five and 25 million.
[01:47:41]  Wow, that's interesting.
[01:47:43]  Wow, he began his life as a dedicated criminal in central Florida after that offense.
[01:47:49]  So he was.
[01:47:50]  Forging documents.
[01:47:51]  Yes.
[01:47:52]  Lots of documents.
[01:47:53]  He would go and rent a house and somehow get his hands on like the deeds and the mortgage paperwork.
[01:48:01]  Yeah.
[01:48:01]  Yeah.
[01:48:02]  He would photoshop it.
[01:48:03]  Unbelievable.
[01:48:04]  And then go to the bank and say, you know, I forget exactly the fucking mechanics of it, but he would somehow get a hold of that, those documents, photoshop them and get a fucking loan on the house he was renting and put like a family with kids.
[01:48:18]  Yeah.
[01:48:18]  This one family had like a special needs child and he basically put them, like, stole their house from them.
[01:48:25]  By like forging the documents.

=== Death Row Execution Delays (14:19) ===

[01:48:27]  It's kind of genius though.
[01:48:28]  Like, really?
[01:48:29]  I could just never, I don't know the first thing about any of that.
[01:48:32]  It takes a certain kind of mind.
[01:48:33]  I met a guy getting ready to go do Fed time that he had like a huge counterfeit money ring.
[01:48:39]  And the guy, it wasn't like, yeah, and it wasn't no like amateur shit either.
[01:48:43]  Like, he was printing millions of dollars.
[01:48:46]  And, you know, the way he was describing like how he got his hands on a money printing machine, you know, like from like some, again, Chinese guy, it was just like fascinating.
[01:48:56]  So you get a lot of these guys.
[01:48:58]  In federal prison, that are like geniuses, like, yes, like masterminds.
[01:49:02]  This guy probably didn't go to a prison where there was a whole lot of stabbings.
[01:49:08]  Yeah, no, maybe he was in a medium.
[01:49:10]  He was in a medium.
[01:49:11]  Okay, so if you go to a medium, shit kicks off every now and then, but like, if you kind of keep to yourself, right?
[01:49:19]  I don't know if people found out he was ratting though.
[01:49:21]  In did anybody know he was ratting in jail?
[01:49:24]  I think, I think a couple people actually did find out.
[01:49:30]  But he found a way to get leverage on that person.
[01:49:32]  Like, he found a way to go to them, like, hey, bro, I heard that this has been going around.
[01:49:38]  I don't think you want everybody to know about this, do you?
[01:49:41]  Right, right.
[01:49:42]  And he would use his dagger tongue.
[01:49:44]  Oh my God, I'm scared to have this guy in my podcast.
[01:49:48]  Is he going to dig shit up on me?
[01:49:49]  He's a very nice guy.
[01:49:50]  He's a very nice guy.
[01:49:51]  Wow.
[01:49:51]  So he doesn't talk about like the Lord.
[01:49:55]  He looks like a cult leader.
[01:49:56]  Absolutely.
[01:49:57]  He looks like he gives it up to Jesus before every ad read he does.
[01:50:00]  No, not at all.
[01:50:02]  Oh, thank God.
[01:50:02]  Michael Franchise does that.
[01:50:05]  He's like, I give it up to Jesus Christ.
[01:50:07]  And he's like the big, he was like the ex mobster that was making like crazy money.
[01:50:11]  And I'm like, oh, do we have to give it up to Jesus?
[01:50:13]  That was so 90s.
[01:50:14]  Anyways, his podcast with Big Herc is a fucking nail biter.
[01:50:18]  Oh, wow.
[01:50:18]  That's so funny, dude.
[01:50:21]  Oh, yeah.
[01:50:22]  Yeah.
[01:50:22]  Yeah.
[01:50:23]  Big Herc was, he was a lot of fun to have on the show, though.
[01:50:26]  Was he?
[01:50:26]  Yeah.
[01:50:27]  But he taught, I mean, but these federal prison stories, dude.
[01:50:30]  Yeah.
[01:50:30]  Talking about as soon as you get there, as soon as you get there, you go get a shank, you get strapped up.
[01:50:35]  And the guy who was making them was like the guy that worked in the kitchen.
[01:50:39]  You know, and he could get you.
[01:50:41]  He saw fights with literal knives, not shanks, butcher knives.
[01:50:45]  He saw like riots kicking off where people were stabbing each other with knives.
[01:50:50]  So it's like clearly, and you know, the guards are all in on it.
[01:50:53]  Yeah, all kinds of shit.
[01:50:54]  Definitely go listen to my story with Herc.
[01:50:56]  But yeah, I mean, some of that happened in state prisons.
[01:50:58]  How did you get, uh, sold up with the guy who was like the leader of the Hells Angels?
[01:51:03]  So I asked him about that and he was like, probably it's because you're the opposite of me.
[01:51:09]  Oh, you asked him, the Hells Angels guy?
[01:51:10]  I was like, why the fuck are we sold up together?
[01:51:12]  And I was like, I don't gangbang, obviously.
[01:51:15]  And he was like, probably because you're the opposite of me, right?
[01:51:20]  They don't want to put two gangbangers in a cell together, right?
[01:51:23]  Because that's just too much time for them to conspire.
[01:51:26]  So, and I'm like, okay, that kind of makes sense.
[01:51:29]  But he, Jimmy, protected me.
[01:51:31]  My cellmate, Jimmy, was he in there for life?
[01:51:34]  He was in there for life.
[01:51:35]  He ended up killing a guy.
[01:51:39]  And he was on death row.
[01:51:40]  And I think he beat his case because it was a self defense thing.
[01:51:43]  But, If you kill somebody and you're doing life and you kill somebody in prison, they usually send you to death row.
[01:51:48]  So, but he, you know, he's the one that basically told the other gangs, you know, the white gangs, because I refused to click up.
[01:51:56]  You know, I was like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a follower.
[01:52:00]  You know what I mean?
[01:52:00]  Like, I'm, I'm me.
[01:52:02]  I'm not going to join your gang.
[01:52:03]  Yeah.
[01:52:04]  What?
[01:52:04]  And then I got to, I got to go put in work for you and kill somebody and then I end up doing life.
[01:52:08]  Right.
[01:52:08]  So my, my logic was like, give me a strap, give me a burner, give me a shank.
[01:52:14]  And if you feel froggish and you want to come at me, I would rather defend myself, you know, and stab one of you guys in self defense and at least maybe be able to beat the case than me having to go put in work for you and then I never get out of here.
[01:52:27]  That's crazy.
[01:52:28]  So I refused to do that.
[01:52:30]  So, but before they could put like a green light on me, Jimmy like intervened.
[01:52:34]  He was like, This is a good kid.
[01:52:35]  He saved you.
[01:52:36]  He was, dude, I owe him my life.
[01:52:37]  And he, yeah, you know, to this day, I mean, it's like, it's, I think about him all the time.
[01:52:46]  Is he still alive?
[01:52:48]  He is.
[01:52:48]  He's kind of lost his mind because he's been on death row for so long for the last decade.
[01:52:53]  Because he got sent to death row right after I got classed down to minimum.
[01:52:57]  And yeah.
[01:52:59]  And why did they send him then?
[01:53:01]  Because that's when he killed him.
[01:53:02]  He killed a guy in prison.
[01:53:03]  Yeah.
[01:53:03]  But it took fucking almost a decade to like adjudicate that.
[01:53:07]  And so, you know, because he doesn't have any money, he's paying like a public defender, you know.
[01:53:12]  So they just keep you in isolation.
[01:53:16]  For a decade away from everybody, so that, and you know, he was already in his 50s when that happened, so now he would be in his mid 60s.
[01:53:23]  So, you know, he's deteriorating, and his mind is probably mush.
[01:53:28]  It's very sad.
[01:53:29]  Do they have a death row in California or Oregon?
[01:53:32]  They do, they don't.
[01:53:33]  The governor put like a stay of execution on anybody on everybody that's on death row, yeah.
[01:53:39]  So, it's still on the books.
[01:53:41]  They have executed people before, but uh, they don't really do it anymore.
[01:53:45]  California is kind of the same way, like, as long as Newsom's in power.
[01:53:48]  Nobody will ever be executed again, but they keep people on death row.
[01:53:52]  So they keep you in death row conditions, even though you'll never be executed, which is like torture.
[01:53:59]  People that have been on death row for decades appeal the courts all the time to let them be killed.
[01:54:06]  Think about that.
[01:54:07]  How fucked is that?
[01:54:09]  And the courts are like, no.
[01:54:11]  And also, people on death row get exonerated all the fucking time.
[01:54:15]  That's true, too.
[01:54:16]  That's true, too.
[01:54:17]  Right, right.
[01:54:18]  So, we have at least two or three death rows in Florida.
[01:54:24]  I went to the one in Stark, Florida one time where I'm friends.
[01:54:29]  I have a lawyer friend who represents some people who end up on death row.
[01:54:35]  He actually represents a lot of cartel members.
[01:54:38]  Really?
[01:54:38]  Like, he gets flown.
[01:54:39]  He gets flown like private to Columbia.
[01:54:43]  Oh, wow!
[01:54:43]  He'll literally explain it to me.
[01:54:45]  He goes, Yeah, he goes, I get on the plane, I get off, I get escorted to a hotel, and I'm I wait in the lobby until they call me up.
[01:54:52]  Yeah, and he wow, he he oh, so he's getting paid a nice, nice fee for that.
[01:54:56]  Yeah, bro, wow, it is crazy.
[01:54:58]  And the way he explains it, like how like some of those top level cartel members are able to just basically live their lives with their high paid lawyers.
[01:55:06]  Yeah, and the like the pawns are the ones that get in trouble, like the low level, totally, totally.
[01:55:11]  That's a whole nother crazy story, but anyways.
[01:55:14]  So he was representing a guy who was on death row.
[01:55:19]  And he, I guess he believed this guy was innocent.
[01:55:21]  Yeah.
[01:55:21]  But apparently, this guy had like raped, he was a truck driver who had like raped and murdered a bunch of girls.
[01:55:27]  And so we were there across the street from the prison from like starting from like 9 p.m. to like 1 a.m.
[01:55:38]  And there was across the street, it's so weird, dude.
[01:55:42]  It was so eerie because it was like dark and foggy and cold.
[01:55:46]  And there was, One big group sectioned off of people who were protesting the death of him.
[01:55:53]  Right.
[01:55:54]  Because everybody knew he was supposed to be executed at that prison.
[01:55:57]  Right.
[01:55:57]  And whenever the prison executes somebody, there's a bell that rings, I guess, on the prison grounds.
[01:56:02]  So there was a whole group of people protesting the execution.
[01:56:05]  And then 50 yards away, there's a whole nother group of people who were the victims of people who have been raped and who have family members or daughters that have been raped and killed, and people who knew some of the actual victims that were there.
[01:56:19]  Yeah.
[01:56:19]  They were there to like, yeah.
[01:56:21]  Get their sort of, you know, the justice served on the guy.
[01:56:24]  Yeah.
[01:56:25]  And we were going back and forth, like interviewing people on both sides, like getting their perspective on it.
[01:56:30]  And it was fucking crazy because, like, the people that were there who had family members who were victims or who knew the victims, you could understand why they were there and you could justify their pain and why they wanted to be there to see the guy die.
[01:56:47]  But the people on the other side, the only reason they were there is because they knew people.
[01:56:53]  Who were innocent who got exonerated on death row.
[01:56:56]  Right.
[01:56:56]  So they're like, we can't fucking prove this.
[01:56:58]  There's no DNA evidence.
[01:57:00]  Like the trial, it wasn't done right.
[01:57:02]  Yeah.
[01:57:02]  There was, it was botched with the prosecutor.
[01:57:04]  Right.
[01:57:05]  So like they both had a very good point.
[01:57:07]  Right.
[01:57:08]  Right.
[01:57:08]  Because I guess in this specific case, I forget the guy's name now, but there was not enough evidence to execute this guy.
[01:57:15]  And no matter what you believe about fucking the death penalty, I think the one thing that absolutely is true.
[01:57:25]  Is you cannot fucking kill people when you don't have all the solid DNA evidence.
[01:57:29]  Of course, dude.
[01:57:30]  That's, look at that.
[01:57:31]  And he was, and they denied an appeal too that claimed that Gary Bowles was too intellectually disabled to be put to death.
[01:57:38]  This isn't the actual guy.
[01:57:39]  Oh, this isn't the same guy.
[01:57:40]  This is, it must be a different guy.
[01:57:41]  So this is the guy, but the guy you're talking about, they ended up putting him to death.
[01:57:46]  I believe.
[01:57:47]  So that night, they didn't.
[01:57:48]  They stayed it.
[01:57:49]  The last day of executions, the governor.
[01:57:51]  They had, yep, they had the guy fucking strapped to the lethal injection thing, right?
[01:57:55]  The people were.
[01:57:56]  In the room in the fucking movie theater with the curtains open.
[01:57:59]  Watching.
[01:58:00]  Yeah.
[01:58:00]  Watching.
[01:58:00]  And at the last minute, they just closed the curtain and stayed it.
[01:58:03]  Wow.
[01:58:03]  They gave him like another couple weeks, maybe.
[01:58:06]  What is the guy's fucking name?
[01:58:08]  His name was, oh, it's going to kill me.
[01:58:13]  Google the lawyer.
[01:58:15]  Bjorn Brunvond represents serial killer, or not killer, put to death in Stark, Florida.
[01:58:26]  Bjorn, Bjorn, B-R-U-N-V-A-N-D.
[01:58:30]  It's a free plug.
[01:58:31]  Yeah, bro.
[01:58:32]  But it was, it was, Wow.
[01:58:33]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:58:34]  That's crazy.
[01:58:35]  Like 30 minutes before you're supposed to be executed, all the news stations pulled off and there were fucking news everywhere.
[01:58:40]  And it was just such a surreal fucking scene.
[01:58:42]  They'll put you to death in Florida, man.
[01:58:44]  Yeah, they will.
[01:58:44]  Florida and Texas.
[01:58:45]  You do not want to fuck around.
[01:58:47]  Utah, too.
[01:58:48]  They will fucking kill you, man.
[01:58:50]  Yeah.
[01:58:51]  It's, it's, it's, if you think about the, you know, if people on the right politically would look at a country like China, who clearly, Their values are not aligned with.
[01:59:06]  I would say most Americans' values are not aligned with those of an authoritarian communist dictatorship.
[01:59:15]  That's what they do, how they execute people.
[01:59:18]  You're practicing the same thing.
[01:59:22]  You claim you don't want communism or big government, but you are practicing the most big government thing when you let the state, the government, take somebody's life.
[01:59:34]  You know, like that's kind of how I look at it.
[01:59:35]  It's like, I don't want to be like China.
[01:59:40]  I don't want to be like Saudi Arabia.
[01:59:42]  I don't want to be like these awful, savage places.
[01:59:46]  So we constantly need to be like, it's not enough to be like, well, China executes thousands of people a year.
[01:59:55]  We can execute one or two innocent black guys in Texas a year.
[01:59:59]  I'm like, what kind of standard is that you're holding yourself to comparing yourself to China?
[02:00:03]  You know what I mean?
[02:00:04]  Right.
[02:00:05]  Yeah.
[02:00:06]  It's a.
[02:00:06]  Yeah, it gives me the chills.
[02:00:08]  It's got to be so different being on fucking death row than any other prison because you're dealing with people who are like looking at the finish line.
[02:00:17]  They know they're dead men.
[02:00:18]  Yeah.
[02:00:19]  Sometimes.
[02:00:20]  Sometimes.
[02:00:20]  Again, it's state to state, you know?
[02:00:24]  Is this it?
[02:00:24]  Oscar Ray Boland.
[02:00:26]  That's him.
[02:00:27]  Convicted of murder in the slayings of three women in Florida.
[02:00:31]  So, was he actually killed?
[02:00:35]  When was this published?
[02:00:38]  January 6, 2016.
[02:00:39]  Go to the bottom.
[02:00:40]  There's probably an update right there.
[02:00:44]  A man who was convicted 10 times of three separate slangs, scheduled to die for one of them.
[02:00:49]  Unless the.
[02:00:50]  Okay, so this was like before.
[02:00:52]  I think he's still alive.
[02:00:54]  Well, it doesn't say anything.
[02:00:55]  If you just Google Oscar Ray Boland, what comes up?
[02:00:57]  The appeals court denied the motion.
[02:01:00]  Oh, so he hasn't even appealed to the Supreme Court yet.
[02:01:02]  Okay.
[02:01:04]  Yeah.
[02:01:04]  Yeah, that was all happening that night.
[02:01:06]  That's fascinating.
[02:01:07]  Humans, I would like to talk to family members of victims whose.
[02:01:12]  You know, killers or alleged killers were executed.
[02:01:16]  Like, do they feel better?
[02:01:18]  I think they do.
[02:01:19]  I think they do, actually.
[02:01:20]  Yeah, I was talking to a couple of them, and it was sad, dude, talking to like, there was a guy there who was, who had his fucking, his like young daughter was raped and murdered.
[02:01:30]  He was sitting, he goes to every execution.
[02:01:33]  I was like, what are you doing here?
[02:01:34]  He's like, every time somebody dies for, everyone gets executed for murder and rape.
[02:01:38]  He's like, I'm here to support the fucking families and the victims and whatever.
[02:01:42]  And it's like, there he is.
[02:01:44]  That's him right there.
[02:01:45]  He's dead.
[02:01:46]  January 7th, 2016.
[02:01:48]  Oh, wow.
[02:01:50]  Tammy's from Portland.
[02:01:52]  He was probably guilty.
[02:01:52]  I don't want a guy.
[02:01:53]  Yeah, from if I were just going, we're just stereotyping the look.
[02:01:58]  I'm saying he's guilty.
[02:01:59]  Probably fucking guilty.
[02:02:00]  The murders went unsolved for nearly four years.
[02:02:03]  He was in prison basically his whole life.
[02:02:05]  He got locked up in his 20s.
[02:02:06]  In 87.
[02:02:07]  Some other shit.
[02:02:08]  Gotcha.
[02:02:08]  He got locked up in 87, bro.
[02:02:11]  And he was just killed four years ago.
[02:02:14]  Right.
[02:02:15]  Or five.
[02:02:15]  How many years ago?
[02:02:16]  That's how long it takes.
[02:02:17]  That's how long it fucking takes to get executed if you appeal it.
[02:02:21]  That's wild.
[02:02:22]  That's why it's taken my boy Jimmy so long to finally get his day in court.
[02:02:29]  So it's wild.
[02:02:31]  Yeah, damn.
[02:02:32]  He's from Portland, Indiana.
[02:02:34]  Well, I don't like the fact that he's from Portland.
[02:02:35]  That's where I'm from.
[02:02:37]  Not Indiana.
[02:02:38]  Indiana's the sketchiest state in the union, dude.
[02:02:40]  I've always said Indiana's one of the worst places because it's in the north, but it's too tight.
[02:02:44]  Two gentlemen went to prison.
[02:02:45]  In Indiana?

=== Roasting Mexican Gangs (16:18) ===

[02:02:46]  Yeah.
[02:02:47]  Oh, wow.
[02:02:47]  I didn't know that.
[02:02:48]  For shooting the guy who was trying to rob him?
[02:02:49]  No.
[02:02:52]  What was his late, late?
[02:02:53]  No, he actually didn't go to prison for that.
[02:02:54]  He got off.
[02:02:55]  Oh, he beat that.
[02:02:55]  I thought he got the gun off for self defense, but no, he was in prison for something else.
[02:02:57]  He beat that for self defense, but no, he was in prison for, I think it was like gun charges and like.
[02:03:03]  Pushing a bitch out of a car out of like his out of like a moving car, you can't push a bitch out of a moving car in Indiana.
[02:03:09]  I mean, no, he did it, he didn't, he did it in Atlanta, but they sent him to prison.
[02:03:12]  He did his time in Indiana.
[02:03:14]  Oh, damn, damn, yeah, no, it's a state.
[02:03:17]  I love how, uh, so listening to your podcast reminded me so much of some of the rap music I listen to because you're talking about chickens, yeah, We get that, that's West Coast slang.
[02:03:28]  We call a chicken a kilo, a chicken is a kilo, yeah.
[02:03:31]  So when I was listening to it, I was like having flashbacks, like some of the Gucci, uh, Gucci man music I used to listen to back in the day.
[02:03:37]  Oh, really?
[02:03:37]  Because he's talking about like whipping up chickens.
[02:03:40]  Yeah, that comes from the West Coast.
[02:03:42]  That comes from E40.
[02:03:43]  And because there's a lot of Southern West Coast underground crossover.
[02:03:48]  So, yeah, cooking a chicken is from the Bay Area.
[02:03:51]  But why?
[02:03:52]  That slang is from the Bay Area.
[02:03:53]  A lot of those guys talk about how they would have women cooking up the crack or cooking the Coke, but he'd make sure they're all naked.
[02:04:00]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:04:01]  That's a big myth.
[02:04:02]  Oh, it's a myth.
[02:04:02]  I think it's a huge myth.
[02:04:03]  There's no reason for doing that.
[02:04:04]  I don't think there's any.
[02:04:04]  There's no reason for that.
[02:04:05]  I guess because they can't steal your shit.
[02:04:08]  But why would you want to trust a woman?
[02:04:11]  Anybody doesn't have to be gender specific, but why would you want to trust a naked chick to cook up a kilo of Coke, something that valuable, into crack?
[02:04:23]  You wouldn't.
[02:04:24]  No.
[02:04:24]  No, you'd have a chemist, you'd have a special.
[02:04:26]  I knew guys from the hood, that's what they did.
[02:04:29]  Like Mexican guys, they specifically wouldn't sell drugs, they wouldn't buy them.
[02:04:33]  They would be paid on consignment or they would be paid a fee to mix the drugs, to whip up a, you know, To stretch a kilo of coke, right?
[02:04:44]  They would know how to do that.
[02:04:45]  They would know how to cook up crack.
[02:04:47]  You know, you give it to a specialist.
[02:04:49]  You wouldn't give it to a naked chick.
[02:04:51]  Yeah.
[02:04:51]  It's crazy.
[02:04:53]  Damn it.
[02:04:53]  Did I just bust your fantasy?
[02:04:55]  They made the music video so much better.
[02:04:57]  Yeah, for sure.
[02:04:58]  For sure.
[02:04:58]  I don't know who started that.
[02:05:00]  I think that was like New Jack City, the movie back in the 80s.
[02:05:03]  Oh, yeah.
[02:05:04]  That was a great fucking movie.
[02:05:05]  Yeah.
[02:05:05]  Yeah.
[02:05:05]  But yeah, I don't think much of that happens.
[02:05:10]  I think it's all, it's much less glamorous.
[02:05:14]  You know, there are like, you know, It's crazy.
[02:05:17]  There's people in the Bronx right now, Dominican, Puerto Rican women that are in, like, you know, a room like this, and they're all sitting at a big table and they're just cutting up heroin, just milling it and chefing it, and they're getting paid.
[02:05:29]  And it just becomes, and they're just getting paid like a salary.
[02:05:32]  They're getting paid like $60 an hour, just like people are trimming up Bud somewhere.
[02:05:36]  It's like an assembly line.
[02:05:37]  And it totally, it just becomes normalized.
[02:05:41]  Like these guys, these kids, these Sicarios that were guarding El Mayo, you know, they're just sitting around like bullshitting like any group of friends would do.
[02:05:50]  They don't consider it.
[02:05:52]  What they're doing is criminal.
[02:05:53]  They really don't.
[02:05:55]  And it gets like that.
[02:05:56]  You get so normal, especially in a culture like that, to where you're like, this is the family business.
[02:06:02]  Ed Calderon was telling me a lot of those kids, those Sicario bodyguards, those young kids, a lot of them are like TikTok stars.
[02:06:10]  Oh, yeah.
[02:06:10]  They do.
[02:06:10]  They have huge TikToks.
[02:06:12]  They'll show, they'll flash all the fucking drugs and their guns.
[02:06:15]  Now, how can you do that on TikTok?
[02:06:17]  But I say cunt once and I get flashed.
[02:06:20]  That's what I'm saying.
[02:06:21]  You know, doing a bit, like a comedy bit.
[02:06:23]  How can you do that?
[02:06:24]  That it doesn't make any fucking sense.
[02:06:25]  Is that because it's in Mexico and like the laws are different, like the TikTok laws are?
[02:06:29]  Are they different?
[02:06:30]  I can't imagine that.
[02:06:32]  Well, it's definitely different in China, obviously, because they're the ones that own TikTok and they're pushing that on us.
[02:06:39]  Yeah.
[02:06:39]  But I don't know if it's different.
[02:06:40]  Well, they have like rules for their kids that use TikTok, right?
[02:06:43]  There's like an off time.
[02:06:44]  Yeah.
[02:06:44]  There's a time.
[02:06:45]  There's a limit to the amount you can use.
[02:06:47]  And like what they show you in the feed is like smart shit.
[02:06:50]  They make it educational.
[02:06:51]  Yeah.
[02:06:52]  So I don't know.
[02:06:52]  I can't imagine Mexico if they're allowing people to wave guns.
[02:06:56]  I don't know, dude.
[02:06:56]  That's fucking crazy.
[02:06:57]  And a lot of prisoners have TikTok accounts now.
[02:07:00]  In prison?
[02:07:01]  Yeah.
[02:07:01]  Some of the biggest TikTok accounts are prisoners.
[02:07:04]  What?
[02:07:05]  Talk about that.
[02:07:05]  How do you smuggle a gigantic iPhone?
[02:07:07]  You don't.
[02:07:09]  Nobody's shoving that.
[02:07:10]  I don't care how gay you are.
[02:07:12]  You're not fitting that in your ass.
[02:07:13]  You're not keystering an iPhone 14.
[02:07:16]  You're getting that brought in from a guard.
[02:07:18]  Let's talk about that.
[02:07:19]  How do all these inmates have the latest technology?
[02:07:22]  You know how much?
[02:07:23]  This is the going rate for this getting smuggled in.
[02:07:26]  It's $1,500.
[02:07:28]  $1,500.
[02:07:29]  Yes.
[02:07:30]  That's about what you got to pay a guard.
[02:07:32]  It's like a going rate.
[02:07:32]  It's like a market price.
[02:07:34]  How does the guard get paid?
[02:07:36]  By somebody on the outside.
[02:07:37]  That's how drugs get sold.
[02:07:38]  Let's talk about that.
[02:07:39]  How do drugs get sold in prison?
[02:07:40]  The same way cell phones get smuggled and purchased in prison.
[02:07:44]  Somebody on the outside, one of your people, will bring money to a guard, right, on his day off.
[02:07:53]  Or if you're selling me drugs in prison and you're also a prisoner, my person on the outside will bring your person's money or they'll put it on your books.
[02:08:01]  Right.
[02:08:02]  Right.
[02:08:02]  They'll put money.
[02:08:02]  And when they see you, they see you.
[02:08:03]  They see you.
[02:08:04]  Exactly.
[02:08:04]  Exactly.
[02:08:05]  And when they see that, boom.
[02:08:07]  Now we're straight.
[02:08:08]  Now we're even Steven.
[02:08:09]  That's one of the ways it happens.
[02:08:11]  Yeah.
[02:08:12]  If I was in prison, I would take up smoking cigarettes, I think.
[02:08:15]  Yeah.
[02:08:15]  Yeah, there's that.
[02:08:16]  But they made stupidly, right?
[02:08:18]  They made cigarettes illegal.
[02:08:20]  So what do you think that did?
[02:08:21]  It's so dumb.
[02:08:22]  But it made a huge market.
[02:08:23]  Yeah.
[02:08:24]  Made a huge fucking market for it.
[02:08:26]  Yeah.
[02:08:26]  You know?
[02:08:26]  Of course it did.
[02:08:27]  Of course it did, right?
[02:08:28]  That's the most obvious thing I want to do.
[02:08:30]  If I go to prison, I'm going to start smoking cigarettes.
[02:08:32]  Yeah.
[02:08:32]  Yeah.
[02:08:33]  The first thing.
[02:08:33]  Yeah.
[02:08:34]  Yeah.
[02:08:34]  I'll be outside working out and smoking cigarettes.
[02:08:37]  The same time, yeah, exactly.
[02:08:38]  Like old, old, like men, like real men.
[02:08:41]  Yeah, we're gonna get jacked, but we're also gonna be damaging our lungs.
[02:08:45]  Oh my god, yeah, so they have tick, they're big on tick tock.
[02:08:50]  I always made, I always kind of like joke that if I owned a prison, I would have podcast studios in there because true crime is such a like blossoming genre and podcasting.
[02:09:00]  And the biggest podcasts in the world are true crime, yeah, yeah.
[02:09:03]  And the inmates are hilarious.
[02:09:06]  Oh, I can't, and there's no shortage of content.
[02:09:08]  You live in a content.
[02:09:09]  Machine.
[02:09:10]  It's one of the funniest places.
[02:09:11]  That's why I'm trying to get this show made.
[02:09:14]  I wrote a script, like a pilot based around just guys in prison because it's so funny.
[02:09:20]  There's so much funny shit that happens.
[02:09:22]  That's where I started doing comedy, it was at these talent show nights in a maximum security prison.
[02:09:27]  Really?
[02:09:27]  Yeah.
[02:09:28]  I didn't know they had talent shows.
[02:09:29]  Yeah.
[02:09:29]  If you're well behaved, every now and then, like monthly, they had these just talent nights and you would go down and, dude, I've had some rough shows on the outside, but it's nothing compared to bombing.
[02:09:43]  In prison.
[02:09:44]  Like you had to get, if your talent, if you didn't hook the crowd in like the first 10 seconds, they'd start booing.
[02:09:51]  They would throw oranges, fights would break out.
[02:09:54]  Like, that's what taught me to get to the punchline quickly.
[02:09:57]  So, if you watch my comedy, like, I'm at the joke immediately.
[02:10:01]  Like, there's no, like, there's not a lot of big setup.
[02:10:04]  And that comes from prison.
[02:10:06]  That comes from doing comedy in prison.
[02:10:08]  Yeah.
[02:10:09]  Yeah.
[02:10:09]  So, when you first got out of prison, actually, let's come.
[02:10:12]  I got to pee.
[02:10:13]  Okay.
[02:10:13]  So, let's come back and go, like, start when you got out of prison.
[02:10:16]  Okay.
[02:10:16]  Yeah.
[02:10:16]  Yeah.
[02:10:17]  Cool.
[02:10:17]  Yeah.
[02:10:17]  Yeah.
[02:10:18]  So, his uncle was Frank Lucas.
[02:10:22]  Yeah.
[02:10:22]  Let's fucking get going.
[02:10:23]  We can keep this in the pot.
[02:10:23]  I don't give a shit.
[02:10:24]  If David gets mad, he can.
[02:10:26]  We had to take a pee break.
[02:10:27]  So we're just now we're talking about David Lucas.
[02:10:29]  Yeah, David Lucas, one of like the best up and coming comedians in the country.
[02:10:35]  He's so good.
[02:10:36]  He's killing it right now.
[02:10:39]  I love when he's an ingenious roaster.
[02:10:41]  I love when he fucking roasts people in the crowd.
[02:10:43]  Yeah.
[02:10:44]  Yeah.
[02:10:44]  It is so good, bro.
[02:10:45]  There's nobody better.
[02:10:47]  It's schoolyard like bullying.
[02:10:49]  It's hilarious.
[02:10:50]  It's all off the top of the dome.
[02:10:53]  You know what I mean?
[02:10:53]  Like he's the real deal.
[02:10:55]  He's the real deal.
[02:10:56]  That's a talent.
[02:10:57]  I feel like I don't know shit about comedy, but I feel like having comedy, like perfecting a bit, is completely in a separate world from dealing with the crowd.
[02:11:07]  Totally.
[02:11:08]  Totally.
[02:11:08]  And it's art versus being naturally funny.
[02:11:11]  We call it back of the bus funny.
[02:11:14]  And I'm not just saying that because he's black.
[02:11:18]  He reminds me a lot of the guys in prison, like how just naturally funny they were.
[02:11:24]  We'd be at the table playing dominoes or whatever, and people would just be snapping on motherfuckers.
[02:11:29]  Yeah.
[02:11:29]  You know, and it was like hot potato.
[02:11:31]  You didn't want to, if the hot potato came to you, you wanted to get it off of you as fast as you could.
[02:11:36]  Right.
[02:11:37]  So you would just, I would, as it was coming around the circle to me, like people just getting roasted, I would be like, I would be like rapidly fucking coming up with insults for somebody else just to push it off of me.
[02:11:48]  You know what I mean?
[02:11:49]  So that was like training.
[02:11:51]  That was training.
[02:11:51]  And then, and then during the talent show nights, that's when I would write jokes.
[02:11:57]  And I didn't even really know they were jokes at the time.
[02:11:59]  It was just like I would observe things in the prison that were funny.
[02:12:03]  Yeah.
[02:12:04]  And I didn't realize these were comedy bits.
[02:12:06]  I would just write them down and I would get up there and I would be like, have you guys fucking noticed this?
[02:12:11]  Right.
[02:12:11]  So, one of my first bits was about how, like, when a riot is about to break out in prison, you can tell because everybody will bring their boots, their work boots, to the showers.
[02:12:24]  Because if a riot kicks off on the yard, that means everybody in the prison has to start fighting.
[02:12:30]  It doesn't matter.
[02:12:30]  You don't have to be on the yard.
[02:12:32]  People will break out in brawls everywhere in the day room, at the chow hall.
[02:12:36]  In the showers.
[02:12:37]  Wow.
[02:12:38]  So you don't want to be caught fighting butt naked without the proper footwear.
[02:12:43]  That's for real.
[02:12:44]  That's a thing.
[02:12:44]  So you will see motherfuckers butt ass naked shower.
[02:12:48]  We'd be showering off naked, but with our boots on still.
[02:12:52]  And so my first punchline was, it looks like we're all about to do black porn right now.
[02:12:57]  Oh my God, bro.
[02:12:59]  Yeah.
[02:12:59]  So that got like a huge laugh.
[02:13:01]  So I was like, oh, okay.
[02:13:03]  So that's kind of how I got into it.
[02:13:04]  I would just be like roasting like the Mexican gangs.
[02:13:07]  I'm like, Ernesto's been locked up for five years, but his baby mama's five months pregnant.
[02:13:13]  How the fuck did that happen?
[02:13:15]  You better talk to your cousin, Ernesto.
[02:13:17]  You know, shit like that.
[02:13:19]  That's hilarious.
[02:13:20]  Yeah.
[02:13:20]  Yeah.
[02:13:20]  But David Lucas reminds me a lot of that.
[02:13:22]  Just like, just, I mean, just incredibly like that level of funny just comes from not giving a fuck.
[02:13:30]  Right.
[02:13:30]  And I don't have that.
[02:13:31]  Like, I'm not that quick, but that it's just like this abandon that people have.
[02:13:37]  Yeah.
[02:13:38]  He has that thing about him where he's like, it, He's not trying.
[02:13:43]  You can tell he's not trying that hard.
[02:13:44]  No.
[02:13:45]  Some people try very hard and they're still very good or not, but he doesn't seem like he doesn't have to put in a lot of effort into it.
[02:13:52]  He doesn't have to at all.
[02:13:53]  He's completely himself.
[02:13:55]  That's so funny.
[02:13:56]  And that's when you become unique.
[02:13:57]  That's when you go from being a good comic to a great comic.
[02:14:00]  Yeah.
[02:14:00]  When you just let go and just be yourself.
[02:14:03]  Yeah.
[02:14:03]  But you still got to like put in a lot of work.
[02:14:05]  Oh, especially in today's age.
[02:14:07]  Oh, of course.
[02:14:08]  Dude, it never ends, bro.
[02:14:10]  It never fucking ends.
[02:14:10]  I wish I was a comic in 1987.
[02:14:12]  And that's a thing I feel like sometimes doesn't connect.
[02:14:17]  I feel like a lot of people who are just naturally good at shit, talented at shit, like David, they, a lot of them, they can't figure out.
[02:14:28]  The discipline and the relentless work it takes to make it.
[02:14:32]  Absolutely.
[02:14:33]  Absolutely.
[02:14:34]  Yeah.
[02:14:34]  That's why these guys I was locked up with would never dream of going to Hollywood.
[02:14:38]  Right.
[02:14:39]  Or it just, you know, it takes too much discipline.
[02:14:43]  That's why most comedians aren't ready for this new age because they don't have a business mind for it.
[02:14:52]  You know, like all the shit I do, I'm like talking about like brand deals.
[02:14:56]  And then you have like 11 podcasts.
[02:14:58]  Yeah, and I'm going over talking about like, oh, do this on the thumbnail.
[02:15:01]  So I'm being a graphic designer.
[02:15:03]  Yeah, yeah.
[02:15:03]  And I'm talking about titling it.
[02:15:04]  I'm a marketing team.
[02:15:06]  Yep.
[02:15:06]  And then, you know what I mean?
[02:15:07]  And then also I'm over here like trying to write about my breakup, you know?
[02:15:11]  So it's like you have to wear so many hats now.
[02:15:14]  Meanwhile, you're in the fucking Sinaloa interviewing Elmo.
[02:15:16]  Oh, yeah.
[02:15:17]  I forgot about that too.
[02:15:18]  Yeah.
[02:15:18]  And then I'm fucking talking to Hitmen in Mexico.
[02:15:22]  So you just like, you have to be so dynamic now.
[02:15:26]  Just, it's unfair.
[02:15:28]  Like you can't expect.
[02:15:30]  People to be able to wear that many hats sometimes.
[02:15:32]  Definitely not.
[02:15:33]  Definitely not.
[02:15:33]  So that's why it's like, I want to turn this YouTube shit.
[02:15:38]  I want to, it's going to transition into comedy.
[02:15:41]  I know it will, you know, but it just takes a lot of time and you got to break out somehow.
[02:15:45]  So I was like, let me tell my story and let me get hot this way and then I'll bring people over to the comedy.
[02:15:51]  So what was like the spark that was like, I want to put all this stuff on YouTube and put these like serialized podcast episodes out there and make all these fucking shorts?
[02:16:03]  How did that all happen?
[02:16:04]  And how did it?
[02:16:06]  Desperation?
[02:16:06]  Nothing else.
[02:16:07]  Desperation?
[02:16:09]  No, it was like, I want to tell this story.
[02:16:12]  Because it was the book.
[02:16:14]  It was the book.
[02:16:14]  The book is what inspired it all.
[02:16:16]  The book is, I thought he was going to break it down.
[02:16:18]  What's the book called?
[02:16:18]  Days of the Trap.
[02:16:20]  Days of the Trap.
[02:16:20]  Yeah, you could just go, just type it in an Amazon.
[02:16:23]  But I was like, there's so much more to this.
[02:16:26]  Like, it was just, it was literally thinking like a businessman, like a drug dealer.
[02:16:30]  I saw, I looked at the market and I was like, this is being underserved.
[02:16:33]  Like, there's people that are with crime and drug and prison shows, but they're not.
[02:16:38]  Oh, I love the fucking title.
[02:16:40]  I love it.
[02:16:40]  Like, the cover of it is beautiful.
[02:16:42]  Oh, thank you, man.
[02:16:43]  Simple and like.
[02:16:44]  Yeah, that's it right there.
[02:16:47]  And I think it's only available on Kindle right now because we're reprinting it.
[02:16:49]  We took the rights back from the publishing company and now we're going to relaunch it.
[02:16:53]  Oh, cool.
[02:16:53]  So you might only be able to buy it on Kindle if anybody's interested, but that'll be, we'll be relaunching that soon with an audio book.
[02:17:00]  But basically, I looked at YouTube and the algorithm, and like I was saying, it's either one or the other.
[02:17:05]  It's either dorks or.
[02:17:08]  From the BBC that are like interviewing cartel members that are like, what would you do?
[02:17:12]  Like, I saw a motherfucker talking to a guy from the Sinaloa cartel in a mask with an AK 47.
[02:17:19]  He's like, what would you do if you found out I was a police officer?
[02:17:24]  And the guy, the Mexican guy's like, where the fuck did you get this guy?
[02:17:28]  You're gonna ask me that on camera?
[02:17:31]  You're gonna make me answer that?
[02:17:32]  What do you think?
[02:17:33]  So it's like that shit.
[02:17:34]  And then it was, you know, like, for lack of a better word, like hood dudes, ghetto dudes that, uh, Are super entertaining, but they have like terrible, they're filming it on iPhones and shit.
[02:17:45]  So it was just a market niche.
[02:17:47]  I'm like, nobody's doing this.
[02:17:48]  Let me try to do this.
[02:17:49]  I think I could do it.
[02:17:50]  I think it can work.
[02:17:51]  And so it's, so far it's been working out.
[02:17:52]  But that was really it.
[02:17:54]  It was just opportunity.
[02:17:55]  Yeah.
[02:17:56]  You know what I mean?
[02:17:57]  Have you seen some of the old Vice documentaries, like what's it called?
[02:18:02]  Chirac, where they go through Chicago.
[02:18:04]  Oh, yes.
[02:18:05]  Yes.
[02:18:06]  All the fucking trap houses in Chicago.
[02:18:09]  Yeah.
[02:18:09]  And how basically the whole drug scene there is intertwined in the rap game.
[02:18:15]  Yes.
[02:18:15]  Yes.
[02:18:16]  That's like fucking one of the most amazing pieces of journalism I've ever seen.
[02:18:21]  Yeah.
[02:18:21]  Vice was really good back then.
[02:18:23]  They were really fucking good back then, man.
[02:18:25]  Yeah, they're a little watered down now.
[02:18:27]  They're a little.
[02:18:28]  Oh, it's completely.
[02:18:28]  It's a 180.
[02:18:29]  Yeah, it's not even close.
[02:18:30]  They sold it.
[02:18:31]  Yeah.
[02:18:31]  It's just, you know, it's a different thing.
[02:18:34]  But yeah, that shit's insane.
[02:18:35]  Chicago's nuts.
[02:18:36]  When you started putting this stuff out on your YouTube channel, did you expect it to get as big as it did?
[02:18:42]  I knew because of the nature of the material that it was clickbaity.
[02:18:45]  I was like, well, we're going to get some eyeballs on us.
[02:18:47]  But no, I didn't expect it to pop this quickly.
[02:18:49]  Fuck no.
[02:18:50]  I was, I told my producer, the guy who films it, sets it up, he's now involved in creative decisions.
[02:18:56]  Yeah.
[02:18:57]  The guy who does all the editing, you know, he's my right hand man.
[02:19:00]  Brian, I told him, let's just give this a year.
[02:19:03]  Like, just give me a year.

=== Vice Show Quality Decline (03:57) ===

[02:19:05]  I'm going to underpay you for how much work you're going to do, but just give it to me and then we'll reevaluate.
[02:19:10]  And, you know, three episodes later, we had fucking 200,000 subscribers.
[02:19:14]  I mean, it was.
[02:19:15]  It's insane.
[02:19:16]  Yeah.
[02:19:17]  Yeah.
[02:19:17]  Four months ago, I was working in a restaurant.
[02:19:20]  You have like the short videos on YouTube that have like 100 million views.
[02:19:25]  It's literally.
[02:19:25]  Oh, yeah.
[02:19:26]  Yeah.
[02:19:26]  There's one.
[02:19:27]  I think the first one I saw was where you tell how to like evade getting going to jail when you get.
[02:19:32]  Pulled over.
[02:19:33]  Yeah.
[02:19:33]  Yeah.
[02:19:33]  Talking about getting pulled over.
[02:19:35]  Yeah.
[02:19:35]  My time, my time getting pulled over.
[02:19:38]  Yeah.
[02:19:38]  So we had a lot of those, you know, and it pops, it ebbs and flows, right?
[02:19:42]  Like with, you know, how the numbers are.
[02:19:45]  But I'm just focused on like growing the show, taking it to a next level that, that nobody's doing.
[02:19:51]  Like I want to be the Anthony Bourdain of like drug shows.
[02:19:55]  Like I want to travel to all these different places.
[02:19:57]  Yeah.
[02:19:57]  Exactly.
[02:19:58]  But make it entertaining, make it a little funny and make it fucking different, you know?
[02:20:02]  Yeah.
[02:20:02]  Like nobody's, nobody's talking about the shit that me or Luis is talking about.
[02:20:06]  Like, no, people are just like drug routes and the cartel is stronger than ever.
[02:20:11]  Well, what is the cartel?
[02:20:12]  And, oh, the cartel's coming to your city.
[02:20:14]  No, the fuck, they're not.
[02:20:16]  Like, nobody's really covering that shit.
[02:20:19]  So, that's kind of, I really want to like dig deep and have it come from a personal place too, you know?
[02:20:25]  So, yeah, that's fascinating.
[02:20:28]  You know, Roger, he knows where George Ochoa lives.
[02:20:33]  Like, he said, I asked him about him.
[02:20:35]  I'm like, can we go there?
[02:20:36]  He's like, yeah, if you want.
[02:20:37]  He's like, I'll fly down there tomorrow.
[02:20:40]  I know exactly where his horse ranch is.
[02:20:41]  I walk right up to his front door.
[02:20:42]  That's a great Roger Reeves impression.
[02:20:46]  Yeah.
[02:20:47]  So the Ochoas apparently were, they say, according to Cocaine, what do they call it?
[02:20:53]  Cocaine Cowboys, that documentary.
[02:20:55]  That guy, Billy Corbin, Florida boy.
[02:20:57]  Yeah, he's been on here.
[02:20:58]  Oh, yeah.
[02:20:59]  That's right.
[02:20:59]  That's right.
[02:21:00]  He was saying the Ochoas were really the number one guys.
[02:21:04]  Yes.
[02:21:05]  You know?
[02:21:06]  Yeah.
[02:21:07]  And Pablo was kind of like Chapo.
[02:21:09]  Not maybe not a glorified manager, but kind of he wasn't the main guy.
[02:21:14]  The main guy were the Ochoas, old man Ochoa.
[02:21:18]  You would think that, right?
[02:21:19]  Because they fucking got Pablo and they killed him.
[02:21:22]  Yeah.
[02:21:23]  And they fucking posed with him like he was a fucking, like a deer.
[02:21:26]  Right.
[02:21:26]  Like a deer.
[02:21:27]  Yeah, exactly.
[02:21:28]  So you would think that he had to have been part of some sort of PR thing just like El Chapo was.
[02:21:33]  Yeah.
[02:21:33]  Yeah.
[02:21:34]  So they said old man Ochoa, just like Almayo Zambava.
[02:21:38]  Yeah.
[02:21:39]  Never did a day in prison.
[02:21:40]  Mm hmm.
[02:21:41]  That old school patriarch, he was a horse breeder.
[02:21:44]  You know, he was part of the oligarch, you know, the oligarchic kind of circle in Colombia.
[02:21:50]  But they say he was the biggest trafficker out of the whole Medellin federation back in the day.
[02:21:57]  So, yeah, his son, George Ochoa, I guess, is free.
[02:22:01]  Yeah.
[02:22:01]  And just living his life.
[02:22:02]  Yeah.
[02:22:02]  He said, Roger said that he breeds horses now.
[02:22:05]  Yeah.
[02:22:05]  Yeah.
[02:22:05]  Well, they all, yeah, exactly.
[02:22:07]  The whole family.
[02:22:07]  That was legitimate.
[02:22:08]  Yeah.
[02:22:08]  They've always been horse breeders.
[02:22:10]  Oh, they always have.
[02:22:10]  They've always been horse breeders.
[02:22:11]  Oh, okay.
[02:22:12]  Yep.
[02:22:13]  Well, I might have to take a trip with Roger down in his Cessna airplane.
[02:22:17]  How sick would that be?
[02:22:19]  Yeah.
[02:22:19]  That'd be sick.
[02:22:20]  Yeah.
[02:22:20]  There's nobody doing that now.
[02:22:21]  I don't.
[02:22:22]  Think, I mean, now that you think, now since vice, I don't think there's anybody really doing like that fucking raw, run and gun type, yeah, like in the jungle documentary interviews, yeah, yeah.
[02:22:35]  And I don't want to be like a, I don't necessarily want to be a journalist, you know, I want to incorporate like politics and culture and all of these different elements of what wherever I'm documenting, like, I want to bring something.
[02:22:54]  You know, yeah, like the way the Bourdain show really became about the culture and the politics of a country itself, not really about food.

=== Attacked On Stage Recently (05:44) ===

[02:23:02]  Right.
[02:23:02]  Like that's kind of where I'd like to take the show, you know?
[02:23:05]  Yeah.
[02:23:05]  Like I don't want to be a journalist, you know?
[02:23:07]  I want to be a drug dealer, a former drug dealer who is just kind of like living out his fantasy, like getting to interview like members of the fucking Sinaloa cartel.
[02:23:20]  I'm like, this is so serendipitous.
[02:23:21]  Like I used to buy drugs from these guys.
[02:23:23]  Right.
[02:23:23]  And now here we are a generation later, and I'm.
[02:23:27]  I'm talking to them.
[02:23:28]  How much of your work is still like, how much comedy are you?
[02:23:32]  How much stand up comedy do you still do?
[02:23:34]  I still do a bunch.
[02:23:34]  I mean, I'm a stand up comedian at the end of the day.
[02:23:37]  So that's your number one thing.
[02:23:38]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:23:39]  Of course.
[02:23:40]  I still do probably five or six shows a week when I'm in Los Angeles.
[02:23:45]  Yeah.
[02:23:46]  Yeah.
[02:23:46]  And then I'm still on the road every now and then, you know?
[02:23:48]  So we're starting to sell tickets and we're going to make a big push, go on tour and do all that kind of stuff.
[02:23:53]  But this is the first step to like really like getting out to the people, you know?
[02:23:58]  And you were one of the first people to actually be ambushed on stage.
[02:24:01]  Yes, that was my first viral video.
[02:24:04]  Dude, we have a video of us showing that to.
[02:24:08]  This is just me talking about it.
[02:24:09]  We have a video of us in a trap house showing that video to cartel members.
[02:24:15]  Really?
[02:24:16]  Yes, and them just laughing their fucking ass off.
[02:24:19]  They're like, show us some of your YouTube videos.
[02:24:21]  And we're all sitting around smoking weed.
[02:24:23]  No, find the one where the guy actually attacked you.
[02:24:25]  Yeah.
[02:24:27]  What's that?
[02:24:28]  No, that's comedian describes being attacked by a midget.
[02:24:33]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true, I guess.
[02:24:37]  I don't have audio.
[02:24:39]  Reach my face, you know?
[02:24:41]  That one of you motherfuckers rushed the stage and tried to slap me, okay?
[02:24:45]  I got attacked on stage recently.
[02:24:47]  Yeah.
[02:24:48]  That one of you motherfuckers rushed the stage and tried to slap me, okay?
[02:24:52]  I got attacked on stage recently.
[02:24:54]  A short, tiny little fucking Oompa Loompa, a 5'1", rushed a stage of a comedy show I was doing in Hollywood.
[02:25:02]  Oh my God.
[02:25:04]  I got Will Smith, but not really.
[02:25:07]  I got Carlton.
[02:25:08]  You know what I'm saying?
[02:25:11]  How long ago was that?
[02:25:12]  That was right.
[02:25:14]  That was around the same time that Will Smith slap on Chris Rock happened.
[02:25:20]  Yes, this was like the end of February, early March.
[02:25:22]  This was like all around the same time.
[02:25:23]  Yeah, it happened to a lot of people.
[02:25:25]  Exactly.
[02:25:25]  It happened to Dave Chappelle.
[02:25:26]  It happened to Chappelle.
[02:25:27]  Exactly.
[02:25:28]  And, dude, that's been happening to comedians, non famous comedians.
[02:25:32]  By the way, I just want to point out.
[02:25:33]  Oh, has it really?
[02:25:34]  Yeah, people hate, drunk people hate when they fuck up and you make a fool of them.
[02:25:39]  Like, I was shredding that guy.
[02:25:41]  Like, they were, I had the crowd like doubled over and it was a black show too.
[02:25:45]  So they were slapping the table.
[02:25:47]  You're like, that guy's been fucked in every hole.
[02:25:49]  Exactly.
[02:25:49]  Yeah.
[02:25:50]  And I called the guy a snitch finally.
[02:25:52]  Oh, shit.
[02:25:53]  In perfect snitch mode, he rushed the stage.
[02:25:56]  So, but after we go off camera right there, you don't see it, but I had the crowd so on my side, I took the guy by the nape of his neck because he was like, he's like 5'7 and I'm 6'6.
[02:26:06]  Yeah.
[02:26:07]  So we just, I just like, like WWE, like power slammed him through a fucking table.
[02:26:12]  And these, dude, a couple of these fucking audience members, these black dudes run over because we're wrestling on the ground.
[02:26:18]  I'm trying to like hockey punch him and shit, like pull his hoodie over his head.
[02:26:21]  These guys run over and they start stomping him.
[02:26:23]  They started kicking the shit out of me.
[02:26:25]  Oh my God.
[02:26:26]  Yes.
[02:26:27]  Yes, dude.
[02:26:28]  It was wild.
[02:26:29]  So that happened.
[02:26:30]  And then literally, and then I was like, oh, wait, they were filming that?
[02:26:33]  So I told the producer, I'm like, send that over to me.
[02:26:35]  I might be able to do something with this.
[02:26:37]  And then, like, a week or two later, the Will Smith slap happened.
[02:26:40]  And that was my Kim Kardashian sex tape moment.
[02:26:43]  I'm like, send me that fucking video, dude.
[02:26:45]  Yeah.
[02:26:45]  And I posted it.
[02:26:47]  And within a month, it had three, four, five million views.
[02:26:50]  And now it's like over 10.
[02:26:51]  This is the full one.
[02:26:52]  This is the full one.
[02:26:53]  If you find the short.
[02:26:55]  The short kind of sums it up.
[02:26:56]  You can see if you hover over the timeline, Austin, it'll show you where, like, so go like a minute before that, like right there.
[02:27:02]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:27:03]  Go right there.
[02:27:06]  Play it.
[02:27:07]  Oh, yeah.
[02:27:13]  The guy's bragging about how he got into the show on a group on.
[02:27:16]  Where was this?
[02:27:16]  This is outside?
[02:27:17]  This is like an outdoor on a patio in Hollywood.
[02:27:21]  Oh, okay.
[02:27:21]  Yeah.
[02:27:22]  Now that the big guy's gone, I feel emboldened, you know?
[02:27:26]  So I had two hecklers, one of them left.
[02:27:27]  I'm so right.
[02:27:29]  My heart was fluttering a little bit.
[02:27:32]  Damn, you see, I got, because I'm good with my right, I'm used to my left, but I got over here like, hey, how's that going?
[02:27:39]  Yeah.
[02:27:41]  I'm in prison, so I see the danger.
[02:27:45]  Yeah.
[02:27:46]  That means you fucking get cut to your bullshit.
[02:27:51]  You got cut.
[02:27:51]  Damn, bro.
[02:27:52]  That guy's.
[02:27:52]  You got caught?
[02:27:53]  You never fucking see exactly.
[02:27:54]  I'm way more genuine than you, bro.
[02:27:55]  I'm way more gangster than you.
[02:27:57]  You snitch.
[02:27:58]  Hey, you snitch.
[02:28:01]  That's how you go down.
[02:28:06]  I was so high off an edible.
[02:28:07]  I should have just dropped him right there.
[02:28:09]  Oh my.
[02:28:09]  I was so high, too.
[02:28:11]  That's what you don't know about that.
[02:28:12]  So I was like, this is surreal.
[02:28:14]  I was like, is he really coming up here?
[02:28:16]  He's suing the venue?
[02:28:17]  What is he suing the parking lot?
[02:28:19]  Yeah, exactly.
[02:28:20]  No, it was like a hookah lounge or something.
[02:28:22]  Oh, shit.
[02:28:23]  Yeah.
[02:28:24]  So, and dude, if you go read the comments, everybody's like, that guy definitely snitched.
[02:28:29]  Yeah, bro.
[02:28:30]  If he got that mad when you called him a snitch, that was the one.
[02:28:32]  Like, the fucking him in all the holes, that didn't piss him off.
[02:28:35]  That didn't piss him off.
[02:28:35]  Calling him a snitch, that was his trigger word.
[02:28:37]  You know, yeah, so I, dude, I chopped that up into like multiple different clips, but yeah, so that was like the first, like that made my channel pop, my personal channel.

=== Bill Clinton Corruption Scandal (16:09) ===

[02:28:47]  Okay.
[02:28:47]  Um, and then, uh, how many views does I have?
[02:28:50]  Uh, that one, the short, the short original one is like over 10 million, and then I cut three million on this one.
[02:28:56]  Yeah, just on the long video, and then there's another one with like six million that's got like a B sides to it.
[02:29:02]  So, yeah, so I still get paid off of this.
[02:29:04]  So I want to thank this guy if he's watching.
[02:29:08]  You got me paid, motherfucker.
[02:29:09]  That is so fucking funny, bro.
[02:29:12]  Yeah.
[02:29:12]  So, so yeah, dude.
[02:29:14]  But then, but then the connect just hit those shorts, man.
[02:29:18]  Yeah.
[02:29:18]  Those shorts are something else.
[02:29:20]  And yeah, I was talking about getting pulled over with a bunch of Bud in the trunk and like the different throw off methods that we would use.
[02:29:29]  Can I talk about some of those?
[02:29:30]  Yeah.
[02:29:31]  So, a big thing we did.
[02:29:32]  So, we would go, we took so many trips up I five, man, with that trunk loaded.
[02:29:37]  By the end, we would have like, I would have somebody go pick up the product for me, right?
[02:29:41]  And I would have like a spotter car on them, right?
[02:29:44]  But for forever, we just went up that.
[02:29:47]  We just threw it in the trunk and fucking crossed our fingers, right?
[02:29:51]  So, but sometimes we would like, we would put like police or military stickers on the back of our cars, you know?
[02:29:57]  Because cops love the military, right?
[02:29:59]  It's kind of the same thing.
[02:30:00]  It's law enforcement.
[02:30:01]  So that would be like a throw off.
[02:30:04]  You know, one time I got pulled over by a cop and I told him I was on my way up to Portland to enlist.
[02:30:10]  And he fucking saluted me and was like, just be safe, quit speeding.
[02:30:14]  Like that's the way I got out of it.
[02:30:16]  And where are you going, buddy?
[02:30:17]  Meanwhile, I got 20 pounds in the trunk.
[02:30:19]  You know what I'm saying?
[02:30:20]  Fucking way.
[02:30:21]  Yep.
[02:30:22]  Yep, I pulled that once.
[02:30:25]  Yeah, I had different little tips for getting pulled over.
[02:30:28]  Like, I would immediately cop to, like, if I got pulled over, I learned to, like, immediately confess to the fact that I was speeding or I took a turn.
[02:30:39]  Cause then, then you, you, you would put the officer at ease immediately.
[02:30:43]  Right.
[02:30:44]  I, like, this guy, I clearly, like, I was going down, like, the side of a mountain.
[02:30:48]  Like, it was, it's really, like, rural up there.
[02:30:50]  So I'm just speeding down this, like, stretch of highway that goes straight down.
[02:30:53]  You can't not speed.
[02:30:55]  Right.
[02:30:55]  And it was a speed trap.
[02:30:57]  So I got pulled over going like 15 over the speed limit.
[02:31:00]  And I immediately was like, dude, I know I hit that way too fast.
[02:31:04]  I'm sorry about that.
[02:31:05]  So immediately, like you cop to like the small infraction.
[02:31:08]  Right.
[02:31:08]  So it puts the cop at ease.
[02:31:10]  And he's like, well, this is just a good guy.
[02:31:12]  He's a citizen, you know?
[02:31:14]  So it just immediately drops his, his, any kind of suspicion that he has, you know?
[02:31:19]  So funny, man.
[02:31:20]  Yeah.
[02:31:20]  So I clipped that and threw it up there and people seemed to take to it.
[02:31:25]  Dude, when I was back in like the mid 2000s, I used to make.
[02:31:29]  A lot of East Coast trips, like surfing, like traveling from here to South Florida, and I would go across Alligator Alley.
[02:31:37]  And there were probably three different times where I just randomly got pulled over in my little pickup truck and got my truck searched.
[02:31:44]  Wow.
[02:31:44]  Really?
[02:31:45]  Not smuggling drugs, nothing like that.
[02:31:47]  But there was just a time when they would just pick off random cars, like a huge percentage of them, and just search them.
[02:31:54]  And for some reason.
[02:31:55]  And you let them search?
[02:31:56]  Yeah.
[02:31:57]  I was like 17 years old.
[02:31:58]  Of course.
[02:31:58]  What are you going to do?
[02:31:59]  You don't know you have rights back then.
[02:32:00]  Right.
[02:32:01]  Yeah.
[02:32:01]  Yeah, yeah, that's true.
[02:32:02]  Why would they never got anything planted on me or anything?
[02:32:05]  Like, they never, yeah, I don't think cops really have a reason to plant shit on you, right?
[02:32:09]  Um, I mean, they've, of course, you know, there's been huge scandals like the rampart scandal in LA in the 90s where cops were literally working for the gangs.
[02:32:19]  They hire that would hire like gang affiliated people to work on the police force and they would plant shit on like enemies and shit.
[02:32:27]  Yeah, rampart scandals, wild, but yeah, cops nowadays usually aren't going to plant shit on like if you're a 17 year old kid, right?
[02:32:33]  But it's crazy to think they would search your car.
[02:32:36]  Were you smoking weed?
[02:32:37]  No.
[02:32:37]  Did you look like a pothead?
[02:32:39]  Maybe surfers?
[02:32:39]  Probably looked like a pothead.
[02:32:40]  You probably looked like a pothead.
[02:32:41]  You were a surfer kid.
[02:32:42]  Yeah.
[02:32:43]  For sure.
[02:32:44]  For sure.
[02:32:44]  In a little Toyota Tacoma pickup truck.
[02:32:46]  Like tiny little.
[02:32:48]  Yeah.
[02:32:49]  Dude, speaking of surfers, there is this.
[02:32:51]  You got to look up this drug bust.
[02:32:53]  They need to make a movie about this.
[02:32:55]  There were, when I was in college, we heard about these college kids, these frat guys that went to like San Diego State and they were surfers.
[02:33:04]  So what they would do, and they were also Coke dealers.
[02:33:06]  So what they would do is they would drive down to Mexico to re up.
[02:33:10]  They would pick up, like, I'm talking real, real weight, like significant multi kilo re ups.
[02:33:16]  Yeah.
[02:33:17]  And they would build them.
[02:33:19]  They would have, like, the cartel guys or somebody down on the Mexico side, like, open up the surfboards, you know, hollow the surfboards out and stuff the kilos into the surfboards.
[02:33:31]  And then they would put them on the top of their Winnebago's or whatever.
[02:33:35]  And they would be coming through customs.
[02:33:36]  They'd be like, yeah, we were just down there surfing.
[02:33:38]  Gnarly.
[02:33:39]  Yeah.
[02:33:40]  Fucking shredding down here in Ensenada, man.
[02:33:42]  And, bro, they were.
[02:33:43]  fucking getting away with it.
[02:33:45]  Wow.
[02:33:45]  They're making millions of dollars.
[02:33:47]  On the roof of their car in plain sight.
[02:33:49]  In plain sight.
[02:33:50]  Great idea.
[02:33:51]  Yeah.
[02:33:51]  Yeah.
[02:33:52]  So that was, and they were making millions of dollars as like high school juniors.
[02:33:57]  What a fucking genius idea.
[02:33:59]  Yeah.
[02:33:59]  Yeah.
[02:34:00]  No shit.
[02:34:00]  So I always like found that so crazy that like, you know, these white boys, probably from like rich families, you know, would take risks like that.
[02:34:10]  That's cowboy shit.
[02:34:11]  I don't, I don't, we never had sympathy for like guys like that that didn't really need to sell drugs.
[02:34:18]  I mean, I didn't need to either, but just did it.
[02:34:19]  But we were so crazy with it that it was like, dude, you had this coming.
[02:34:24]  You know?
[02:34:24]  Yeah, that's a funny thing, too, about like some of the biggest narcos.
[02:34:29]  Their kids don't normally get into that, right?
[02:34:31]  They like move to the US and do something respectable.
[02:34:34]  It depends.
[02:34:35]  It depends.
[02:34:36]  Or they take it over.
[02:34:37]  Like Mayo's kids, his sons are going to take the business over.
[02:34:40]  Are they really?
[02:34:41]  Oh, yeah, definitely.
[02:34:41]  Luis was telling me that his kids are like, they're like big on Instagram and they're like, they're like, they may be, but they're also, they're also like freely walking around the US.
[02:34:50]  Well, those are the guys.
[02:34:52]  One of them is the guy who got caught and ratted on Chapo.
[02:34:55]  He's not going to go back to Mexico, obviously.
[02:34:57]  Although there are reports, again, I'm telling all Luis's business, but there are reports that he actually sneaks back to Mexico to visit his father.
[02:35:06]  But yes, those two kids are out of the game, or maybe one of them was never in the game.
[02:35:09]  But there's two guys got like seven or eight kids.
[02:35:12]  So two of his sons in Mexico still are definitely taking over the business.
[02:35:17]  That's how it happens with the Calabrian mob, the Endrangheta in Calabria, Italy.
[02:35:23]  It's all lineage.
[02:35:24]  It's all passed down.
[02:35:26]  That's how it happens.
[02:35:27]  That's how they monopolize the trade, you can't just join it like you can in the U.S. There's no free market.
[02:35:34]  It's all passed down through lineage.
[02:35:36]  So I think a huge part of the game is passing it on to your kids.
[02:35:40]  But in the U.S., their kids go legit.
[02:35:44]  That's the American dream.
[02:35:46]  That's the reason that the mob in New York has to go to the other side.
[02:35:50]  They have to go to Sicily now to recruit new members because their kids generally.
[02:35:55]  For the most part, they are like going into the legitimate world, and I think they want to, you know, so it's much less of a cultural thing, and it's more of just like starts out in the US as just a way to survive, and hopefully, your kids become legit.
[02:36:10]  That's what's cool.
[02:36:11]  That's what I always loved about the criminal's dream being able to go straight after that.
[02:36:19]  Yes, like that's what I say on my podcast the criminal's dream is to no longer be a criminal.
[02:36:24]  So, that's I was living proof of that almost, like I was gonna get out of the game.
[02:36:30]  And have millions and just funnel it into legit businesses.
[02:36:33]  And it would have set me up for the rest of my life if I could have pulled it off.
[02:36:37]  I just didn't get out in time.
[02:36:38]  I got too greedy.
[02:36:39]  Yeah.
[02:36:40]  That's one of the funny things.
[02:36:41]  I want you, when you get Roger in, you got to ask him how many waterfront mansions he still owns.
[02:36:47]  Yeah.
[02:36:50]  Yeah.
[02:36:50]  He talks about he bought all of his friends' fucking houses back then.
[02:36:54]  Oh my God.
[02:36:54]  I cannot wait to ask him about that.
[02:36:56]  I'll ask him on the Patreon episode where his money is, how much money he still has.
[02:36:59]  I still have, like, I don't know.
[02:37:01]  I mean, obviously, if you.
[02:37:02]  If you're buying them for other people as gifts, technically you don't own them anymore.
[02:37:06]  Yeah.
[02:37:06]  But I wonder how much money he got away with.
[02:37:09]  Yeah.
[02:37:09]  How much money he still has access to if he needed it.
[02:37:12]  Yeah.
[02:37:12]  Right.
[02:37:13]  Right.
[02:37:13]  Well, he's so connected that he could probably get back into the game really quickly.
[02:37:16]  But, you know, he'll never do that.
[02:37:18]  I don't hope not.
[02:37:19]  But yeah, I mean, he made hundreds of millions.
[02:37:21]  Hundreds of millions.
[02:37:22]  And this is back in the 70s, right?
[02:37:25]  But was he active after the 70s?
[02:37:28]  Yeah.
[02:37:29]  I think he was.
[02:37:30]  I think he was active.
[02:37:31]  Yeah.
[02:37:31]  He fell in the 80s.
[02:37:32]  He originally got arrested in the 80s.
[02:37:33]  When did Barry Seale get killed?
[02:37:36]  Early 80s.
[02:37:37]  Early 80s?
[02:37:38]  I believe.
[02:37:39]  Well, we could probably look that up.
[02:37:40]  Yeah, find out when Barry Seal got whacked.
[02:37:43]  It might have been the late 80s.
[02:37:45]  I think Roger was in prison when Barry died.
[02:37:48]  Oh, okay.
[02:37:49]  Yeah.
[02:37:49]  So that would have been the 80s.
[02:37:50]  So he was in prison the whole time from Roger was in prison from the 80s until like 2016.
[02:37:56]  Yep.
[02:37:57]  Oh, wow.
[02:37:57]  Yep.
[02:37:57]  On multiple different continents.
[02:37:59]  Oh, wow.
[02:37:59]  Oh, yeah.
[02:38:00]  So he died in 86.
[02:38:01]  86.
[02:38:01]  Okay.
[02:38:02]  So Roger was locked up probably.
[02:38:03]  Roger was already locked up.
[02:38:04]  He got locked up in, yeah, I think 82.
[02:38:07]  Does Roger Reeves have a page, have a Wikipedia page?
[02:38:11]  I don't know.
[02:38:12]  It's a good question.
[02:38:13]  Google him.
[02:38:14]  You know, so it's a funny thing too, talking about like the lineage of some of these drug dealers.
[02:38:18]  Have you ever seen.
[02:38:20]  Pablo's son?
[02:38:21]  Yes.
[02:38:22]  Yes.
[02:38:23]  He's fat like Pablo.
[02:38:24]  Super fat and like super ghetto.
[02:38:26]  Like super hood.
[02:38:27]  Interesting.
[02:38:28]  On his Instagram.
[02:38:29]  I thought he was a dork.
[02:38:31]  Maybe he has multiple sons because one of them was a nerd who they moved to Argentina, right?
[02:38:38]  After Pablo got killed, the family relocated to Argentina.
[02:38:41]  Really?
[02:38:41]  Yeah.
[02:38:41]  I didn't know that.
[02:38:42]  Yeah.
[02:38:42]  Because it's not safe for them in Colombia.
[02:38:43]  Okay.
[02:38:44]  Everybody is dead that worked with Pablo.
[02:38:47]  But look at him.
[02:38:49]  Look at old Roger.
[02:38:50]  He's on a podcast right there in that episode.
[02:38:52]  American pilot who was once.
[02:38:54]  Most prolific drug smuggler in history.
[02:38:56]  He works for Pablo Escobar and the Medellin cartel.
[02:39:00]  He claims that Seal paid millions in bribes to the Clintons.
[02:39:04]  Yes.
[02:39:05]  Bill Clinton is the governor of Arkansas.
[02:39:06]  Wait to ask him about that.
[02:39:08]  I'm scared for Roger.
[02:39:10]  I'm scared when he's open with this information.
[02:39:12]  It makes me worried for him.
[02:39:13]  You know, when he talks about it, he doesn't like, he's like, of course.
[02:39:17]  Yeah.
[02:39:18]  Like, it's no secret.
[02:39:19]  Right, right, right, right.
[02:39:21]  That's what makes me believe him, he's very matter of fact about it.
[02:39:24]  You know what I mean?
[02:39:25]  Um, millions of bribes to the Clintons when Bill Clinton was governor.
[02:39:30]  To is that in order to, yeah, to let them use Mina, right?
[02:39:35]  To let them use the airport, right?
[02:39:36]  Yeah, yeah, and Mina, yeah.
[02:39:38]  He was so Barry would have dinner with the clintons.
[02:39:40]  Like he goes, I'm having dinner with a governor, Roger.
[02:39:43]  And he's wow, yep.
[02:39:44]  So, so the Clintons, if we're to believe that, that would mean that the Clintons would then take millions of dollars, but then who would they?
[02:39:54]  I just I'm fascinated.
[02:39:55]  How would corruption at that level work?
[02:39:57]  They would then tell the Tell the people that worked at MENA, like, hey, some planes are going to don't, don't you touch these guys?
[02:40:03]  I guess because Barry said that I can land in MENA, Arkansas, whenever I want, any time of day.
[02:40:08]  He's like, any day of the week that I want.
[02:40:10]  He's like, it just costs a million bucks, like a million dollars per load.
[02:40:13]  Wow.
[02:40:14]  So, yeah.
[02:40:14]  So he had a green light in the airport in MENA.
[02:40:18]  Right.
[02:40:18]  In perpetuity, as long as like it was a certain fee, I guess.
[02:40:21]  Right.
[02:40:23]  So, oh, so the thought is, yeah, the Clintons are taking cash bribes and probably paying off.
[02:40:34]  You know, whoever is running, whoever's in charge of like making decisions for, you know, the military in Arkansas.
[02:40:42]  Yeah.
[02:40:43]  Right?
[02:40:43]  Yep.
[02:40:43]  Like that would kind of make sense.
[02:40:45]  Yeah.
[02:40:45]  I mean, some sort of fucking corruption.
[02:40:47]  I don't know.
[02:40:47]  Cause the Clintons can't just take money and then call down.
[02:40:50]  Bill Clinton's not going to call the airport in MENA and be like, hey, we got some, you can leave this boy alone.
[02:40:57]  He's going to be bringing something in.
[02:40:58]  Yeah.
[02:40:58]  No, I guess there was some sort of protection that was always there when they landed.
[02:41:03]  Right.
[02:41:03]  There would be like, Vehicles that would show up and escort them.
[02:41:05]  So everybody's getting paid out of it.
[02:41:07]  Everybody.
[02:41:07]  Yes.
[02:41:08]  Everybody's getting paid out of it.
[02:41:09]  You know who's like the foremost authority on this whole fucking topic who actually wrote a book on it?
[02:41:14]  You've probably heard of the guy.
[02:41:15]  His name's Sean Atwood.
[02:41:17]  Yes.
[02:41:18]  Bald dude.
[02:41:19]  Yes.
[02:41:20]  He wrote like a series of books all about this time in the history.
[02:41:25]  Wow.
[02:41:25]  And all about the Clinton.
[02:41:27]  It's called like.
[02:41:28]  Collusion with.
[02:41:29]  Yeah.
[02:41:29]  The title of the book is like.
[02:41:32]  Find out the name of his.
[02:41:33]  Okay.
[02:41:33]  That's not beyond the pale ore.
[02:41:35]  He wrote a ton of books.
[02:41:36]  Click on like the list of his books.
[02:41:38]  It's called like The Boys on the Tracks or something like that.
[02:41:42]  Wow.
[02:41:44]  Keep scrolling.
[02:41:45]  It's one of his first books.
[02:41:46]  There it is with the Clinton.
[02:41:49]  What's that one called?
[02:41:50]  Clinton Bush and CIA conspiracies.
[02:41:53]  But there's, yeah, so he has multiple books on the Clintons and the Bushes and basically all of the quote unquote suicides that the Clintons have been involved in.
[02:42:02]  Right.
[02:42:02]  The first ones were like a couple of boys that were tied up to some railroad tracks.
[02:42:07]  Yes.
[02:42:07]  And that's supposed to be a suicide.
[02:42:09]  Right.
[02:42:10]  And they were the guys who stumbled on, they were just playing in the woods.
[02:42:15]  Yeah.
[02:42:16]  And I think they stumbled upon.
[02:42:17]  Upon, like, one of the planes being unloaded.
[02:42:20]  Yeah, yeah, that's interesting.
[02:42:21]  So, okay, that was the name of the book.
[02:42:22]  The name of the book is from, it's like blah, blah, blah, something from the boys on the tracks to Jeffrey Epstein.
[02:42:29]  And he ties everything from the beginning, from the boys in the tracks all the way to Jeffrey Epstein, everything about the Clintons.
[02:42:34]  Wow.
[02:42:35]  Like, this dude went in.
[02:42:36]  And so it's pretty investigative?
[02:42:38]  Super investigative.
[02:42:39]  Like, he went deep on all of it.
[02:42:41]  Yeah.
[02:42:42]  Yeah.
[02:42:42]  God damn it.
[02:42:43]  That is so fucking crazy.
[02:42:46]  Yeah.
[02:42:46]  Yeah.
[02:42:47]  They've been dirty since, yeah, the beginning.
[02:42:49]  I just saw an ad on YouTube yesterday.
[02:42:53]  Have you ever seen ads for that thing called Masterclass?
[02:42:57]  Yes, of course.
[02:42:58]  Yeah.
[02:42:58]  They got one with fucking Bill Clinton now.
[02:43:00]  Yes, right.
[02:43:01]  To teach about politics.
[02:43:03]  I'm like, who better to teach about politics, though?
[02:43:06]  That's really what politics are.
[02:43:08]  Yeah.
[02:43:08]  Politics are corrupt and dirty and murderous sometimes.
[02:43:12]  I want to buy that Masterclass.
[02:43:14]  Yeah.
[02:43:14]  I can hear what fucking Bill's spewing on there.
[02:43:16]  No shit.
[02:43:17]  Passive.
[02:43:18]  Look at this shit, bro.
[02:43:20]  On leadership.
[02:43:22]  On leadership.
[02:43:23]  Of all things.
[02:43:24]  By the way, do they really need money?
[02:43:26]  Do they need more money?
[02:43:28]  Like, why are they doing this?
[02:43:29]  Oh, my God.
[02:43:30]  This is insane.
[02:43:32]  A million bucks a week.
[02:43:36]  A million bucks landed.
[02:43:39]  Hardly a day goes by that I don't think how fast my life has flown.
[02:43:46]  How I remember as if it were yesterday, the first day I became president.
[02:43:52]  Oh, God.
[02:43:53]  Oh, my God.
[02:43:54]  Look at this.
[02:43:55]  All the bushes can be done alone.
[02:43:57]  This is a particularly disorienting time for billions of people in the world.
[02:44:03]  You've got major uncertainties about what's going to happen in the years ahead.
[02:44:08]  At a time like that, you really need good leadership skills.
[02:44:11]  And you need people whose goal it is to be a better leader, not drive them apart.
[02:44:17]  People need to feel the potential to create a better tomorrow.
[02:44:24]  This class is unlike anything I've ever done.
[02:44:26]  I'll be teaching skills I developed and used in very challenging leadership.
[02:44:31]  From Jeffrey Epstein on Fuck Island.
[02:44:35]  You ever banged a woman with a cigar?
[02:44:40]  You ever fucked her with a cigar?
[02:44:45]  It's not technically cheap.
[02:44:49]  And you don't have to wash your dick after.

=== Public Pressure Tough On Crime (02:41) ===

[02:44:56]  This is psychotic.
[02:44:59]  I've had ferocious opposition.
[02:45:02]  It was a wild strategy to try to destroy me as a person.
[02:45:06]  Holy shit.
[02:45:08]  How fucking wild.
[02:45:10]  I mean, how much could he be baking off of this?
[02:45:12]  Like, they're worth hundreds of millions already.
[02:45:14]  Like, what do they need?
[02:45:17]  They're just real, like, they're just real.
[02:45:22]  That's weird.
[02:45:23]  Who's signing up for this?
[02:45:24]  What kind of people?
[02:45:25]  Like, think about it.
[02:45:26]  Think about it.
[02:45:27]  Could you put yourself in the shoes of somebody who is going to be fucking sold on this?
[02:45:31]  Oh, yeah.
[02:45:32]  MSNBC.
[02:45:33]  MSNBC and the people that work in for the major news outlets, they're like, yeah, we're going to get Clinton because what an American.
[02:45:42]  What did he do for America?
[02:45:43]  He raised the minimum wage by a dollar, I think, by the time he was out of office.
[02:45:47]  Sure, he wrote the super predator bill.
[02:45:49]  Sure, he took millions of dollars from bribes from cocaine dealers.
[02:45:54]  Sure, he locked up more black people than all Republicans combined.
[02:46:00]  Did you know that, by the way?
[02:46:01]  I didn't know that.
[02:46:01]  It wasn't Reagan.
[02:46:03]  Reagan's blamed in the mass media for the war on drugs and all of these policies that targeted black people.
[02:46:11]  Crack dealers and shit.
[02:46:13]  He didn't give a fuck originally.
[02:46:14]  He was like, he had that old school racism where he was like, just let the animals, you know, whatever.
[02:46:19]  We don't care about what's going on.
[02:46:20]  Just let them.
[02:46:20]  Like, he didn't give a shit at all.
[02:46:22]  Yeah.
[02:46:23]  It wasn't until he was kind of like forced by like pressure, public pressure to come in and like start getting tough on crime and shit like that.
[02:46:32]  But it wasn't until the Clintons that the prison population started exploding and Biden.
[02:46:38]  Biden was involved in all that shit too.
[02:46:40]  Yeah.
[02:46:40]  Exploding.
[02:46:42]  Yeah.
[02:46:43]  I remember seeing some of the old videos of Biden during that time.
[02:46:47]  Yeah.
[02:46:47]  Like in front of Congress saying some shit.
[02:46:48]  They're going to kill.
[02:46:49]  They're coming after.
[02:46:50]  They're coming after.
[02:46:52]  If you're selling drugs to my mother, you do not deserve to be walking around.
[02:46:57]  Why is your mother buying crack?
[02:46:59]  Oh, my God.
[02:46:59]  Your mother's buying crack cocaine?
[02:47:01]  Wow.
[02:47:03]  Yeah.
[02:47:03]  Yeah, dude.
[02:47:04]  Oh, my God.
[02:47:05]  I feel like we're living in the Twilight Zone.
[02:47:07]  Yeah.
[02:47:07]  It's done.
[02:47:09]  It feels like society, when you watch the Bushes now, who probably also have an Instagram account, when you watch George W. Bush, Who's killed more people than all of the cartel members combined in all of history?
[02:47:23]  You see him giving a masterclass and everybody being like, isn't that politely clapping?
[02:47:31]  You're just like, this is some 1984 Big Brother type shit.
[02:47:36]  How quickly we forget, you know?

=== Trump And 9/11 Secrets (05:06) ===

[02:47:38]  Yeah.
[02:47:39]  We're applauding Dick Cheney for coming out against Trump.
[02:47:43]  We're applauding this guy for doing the right thing, who's literally the biggest.
[02:47:48]  War criminal, like, since, you know, Slobodan Milosevic, you name it, the Khmer Rouge, fucking any kind of dictatorship, millions of people dead, ISIS, all that shit, all goes back to those guys conscientiously coming up with that propaganda campaign.
[02:48:10]  I know, man.
[02:48:11]  And it's crazy, too, how more and more of these things that we always thought were like conspiracy cover ups are like being declassified.
[02:48:20]  Yeah.
[02:48:21]  It all comes out.
[02:48:22]  It all comes out.
[02:48:23]  But shit, like when you see, I don't know if you're, see shit be declassified like Operation Northwoods.
[02:48:29]  Oh, tell me about that.
[02:48:30]  That was Operation Northwoods was under Ken Kennedy with the head of the CIA, Alan Dulles.
[02:48:35]  They had a plan to, in order to justify invading Cuba, they were going to fly an empty airline and blow it up.
[02:48:45]  That's right.
[02:48:45]  That's right.
[02:48:47]  That was their plan to invade Cuba.
[02:48:50]  Sounds like something that happened under the bushes, right?
[02:48:54]  Yeah.
[02:48:54]  So, this is not like anything new.
[02:48:56]  This is something that's, you know, these are CIA deep state tactics that have been, that have grown and evolved and been passed down since World War II, since the beginning of what became the CIA.
[02:49:11]  Yeah, absolutely.
[02:49:12]  And it all comes out, but it's always after they're dead.
[02:49:15]  It's always so nobody has to take responsibility for it.
[02:49:17]  So, we'll know who killed Kennedy, maybe in our lifetimes, right?
[02:49:20]  I saw something just came out about that yesterday.
[02:49:22]  Well, didn't Biden push it back?
[02:49:24]  Biden didn't.
[02:49:24]  I don't know, maybe.
[02:49:25]  I think Biden gave an order to not.
[02:49:27]  Let that come out.
[02:49:28]  Oh, did he really?
[02:49:29]  Yeah.
[02:49:29]  I didn't know that.
[02:49:30]  That might be a Google.
[02:49:31]  Google it, Jim.
[02:49:31]  Here's my thing, though.
[02:49:32]  What the fuck would change if they admitted they killed Kennedy?
[02:49:36]  Right.
[02:49:36]  Like, what would change?
[02:49:37]  Like, okay, there was a CIA plot.
[02:49:38]  Yeah, the CIA was involved.
[02:49:40]  The guy was whatever, he wasn't acting alone, he was a patsy.
[02:49:43]  Yeah, and yeah, what would change in America?
[02:49:46]  Who would really?
[02:49:47]  I mean, think of how many people would fucking pay attention to it, first of all.
[02:49:49]  Yeah, most people wouldn't be like, okay, whatever, we know we all knew that already.
[02:49:54]  I think what would change is that we certainly wouldn't be Biden officials sued over delayed release of JFK assassination records.
[02:50:03]  So I'm not sure why, like, they didn't really talk about why they were why they delayed them.
[02:50:11]  But it's absolutely a fucking conspiracy cover up by the government if you pay attention to any of it.
[02:50:17]  Yep.
[02:50:18]  Yep.
[02:50:19]  So I don't know what would change.
[02:50:20]  That's a great question.
[02:50:22]  I think enough people would notice.
[02:50:24]  I mean, people already don't trust anything anymore, thanks to the power of the internet.
[02:50:29]  But if it came out that the government whacked Kennedy, I think it would hurt Democrats more.
[02:50:39]  It would hurt Republicans too, but it would hurt Democrats more because right now, most of the mainstream media.
[02:50:44]  Is an arm, is a mouthpiece of the like corporate Democratic Party.
[02:50:48]  Right.
[02:50:49]  That's what I think.
[02:50:50]  So, yeah.
[02:50:51]  So I think it would change.
[02:50:52]  I think it would sway voting.
[02:50:55]  Interesting.
[02:50:55]  But, you know, still, it doesn't matter.
[02:50:57]  Like there's no good candidates on either side.
[02:50:59]  So I don't know.
[02:51:00]  I don't know how it would change like the future of America.
[02:51:03]  Maybe, I don't know.
[02:51:04]  Maybe you could get a guy like Bernie Sanders, right?
[02:51:07]  Whether you agree with all of his like, you know, policies or not, he's a guy that wanted to change the status quo.
[02:51:13]  So maybe a guy like that could get in because enough people, there would be enough pressure.
[02:51:18]  To get like a third party candidate in, you know?
[02:51:21]  Yeah.
[02:51:22]  Yeah, maybe something like that.
[02:51:24]  Have you seen the video of Trump being asked about 9 11 on the golf course and they're interviewing him?
[02:51:30]  No.
[02:51:31]  And he's like, well, you know, there's a lot we don't know about 9 11.
[02:51:35]  Yeah.
[02:51:35]  There's a lot of shit that we don't know about 9 11.
[02:51:38]  We don't have the full story.
[02:51:40]  He's just keeping it real, dude.
[02:51:41]  He's saying what we're all thinking and talking about on podcasts.
[02:51:46]  So he's back.
[02:51:47]  That's crazy that he's saying that, though.
[02:51:49]  If this were the 60s, He probably would have been assassinated.
[02:51:53]  They probably would have tried to hit him if this were the 60s.
[02:51:55]  They don't do that anymore.
[02:51:58]  But what he's saying, he's saying what Kennedy essentially was saying after he made the switch in early 63, maybe it was late 62.
[02:52:08]  He made that speech where he was like, We're not going to pursue this Cold War thing against the Russians anymore.
[02:52:15]  We're going a different way.
[02:52:16]  We're taking society to a peaceful route.
[02:52:20]  We're not going to prop up the military industrial complex.
[02:52:23]  He made that switch.
[02:52:24]  Right.
[02:52:24]  And that's what got him killed.
[02:52:26]  Right.
[02:52:26]  You know, and amongst like, you know, other things with like the mafia and his brother, you know, investigating and putting cases on the mob after they got him elected.
[02:52:36]  All that shit fueled it.
[02:52:38]  But it was really when he said, hey, we're going to take society into a different direction.
[02:52:41]  That's what got him killed.
[02:52:42]  So Trump was kind of saying that.

=== United States Breaking Up (04:43) ===

[02:52:45]  Yeah.
[02:52:46]  And that's why, you know, that's why they came after him with Russiagate, you know?
[02:52:50]  Man, what do you think is going to happen?
[02:52:52]  Going to happen when he fucking runs for president?
[02:52:54]  Yeah.
[02:52:54]  I don't know.
[02:52:55]  I mean, have you thought about that at all?
[02:52:56]  I haven't.
[02:52:57]  I don't have the.
[02:52:58]  I don't have the bandwidth.
[02:52:59]  I can't even think about it.
[02:53:00]  I can't think about what Twitter is going to look like.
[02:53:04]  All these fucking talking heads.
[02:53:07]  I forgot Elon put him back on Twitter.
[02:53:08]  He's back on Twitter.
[02:53:09]  He won't tweet.
[02:53:10]  Yeah, exactly.
[02:53:11]  Exactly.
[02:53:11]  I love that, though.
[02:53:12]  He pisses everybody off.
[02:53:13]  He's talking shit about Elon.
[02:53:14]  He's like, he was on his knees crying, eating out of my hands.
[02:53:18]  Dude, he's so funny.
[02:53:20]  He's so fucking funny, bro.
[02:53:21]  Dude.
[02:53:22]  Yeah.
[02:53:23]  Yeah.
[02:53:23]  So he's really going to run again.
[02:53:25]  I don't know.
[02:53:26]  I don't know what's going to happen.
[02:53:27]  It could be cataclysmic or he might just not.
[02:53:31]  He might not pull well at all and might not even make the.
[02:53:33]  It could be uneventful.
[02:53:35]  It could go both ways, or it could go the other way, where, like, you know, they're calling for mass emergencies and they're taking rights away.
[02:53:42]  Right.
[02:53:43]  You know, that's like the South steps up.
[02:53:46]  Right.
[02:53:46]  When you guys stepped up, like, I don't like the fact that everybody walks around with guns down here, but I'll tell you what, that kept us from going full China during the lockdowns.
[02:53:55]  I'll tell you, it was Texas and Florida and all these places that have so many guns that you just couldn't attempt to mandate anything like that.
[02:54:06]  Because you just people will rebel, yeah.
[02:54:10]  So that really does keep the government that that's what it dawned on me, you know.
[02:54:14]  A good, like, I'm a good liberal kid from Oregon, but I saw that and I was like, it's probably a good thing that the especially in this country, the populations are guns.
[02:54:22]  I think it was more like the politicians, yeah.
[02:54:24]  But it's it is, but like that saved that, that like DeSantis, yeah, what he did with the lockdowns, like right, he came out glistening out of that for sure, for sure.
[02:54:34]  For they should probably run him over Trump.
[02:54:37]  You know, but yeah, it is kind of all backed up because the feds could, like, now we're just talking crazy right now.
[02:54:44]  How many people have guns down here?
[02:54:46]  It's a very small minority.
[02:54:47]  Seriously?
[02:54:48]  Yeah.
[02:54:49]  Is that true?
[02:54:49]  Most people here, I guarantee 99% of the people that live here and that are here in this area, right, in Florida right now, they're not from Florida.
[02:54:57]  Oh.
[02:54:58]  They're from the fucking north.
[02:54:59]  Yeah, they're retired.
[02:55:00]  They're retired.
[02:55:01]  They come down here, they're snowbirds, or they move down here from the north.
[02:55:05]  Like, this is such a transient area.
[02:55:07]  Oh, right.
[02:55:08]  Yeah.
[02:55:08]  And there's so many, like, Progress, like liberal type people or older people that are from those liberal states that come down here.
[02:55:15]  There's a very small group of people down here who are like big, like gun toting.
[02:55:21]  Oh, wow.
[02:55:22]  No, I don't think it's like, I don't really know much.
[02:55:23]  I don't spend much time in Texas, but Texas, I think there's more guns.
[02:55:27]  Texas is way bigger and there's so many big cities.
[02:55:32]  And yeah, everybody's got, I promise you, everybody except for now Austin, but most people there have guns too.
[02:55:38]  So everybody's got guns in Texas.
[02:55:39]  Yeah.
[02:55:39]  I do think it is.
[02:55:41]  I just think if, The federal government were to ever get so crazy to think, yeah, okay, well, they're defying our whatever emergency orders, the state governors are.
[02:55:50]  We're going to send the feds to the Capitol building.
[02:55:52]  I think they just wouldn't do that because they'd be like, oh, wow, no.
[02:55:57]  They're more strapped than us, you know?
[02:55:59]  The same reason that the military won't go in and try to arrest old El Mayo Zambada down there in Sinaloa, you know?
[02:56:06]  Right.
[02:56:07]  Because it's going to be hell to pay.
[02:56:08]  Like a lot of people would be getting killed.
[02:56:11]  Yeah.
[02:56:11]  I couldn't imagine if that day came.
[02:56:12]  Oh, no.
[02:56:13]  I.
[02:56:14]  It can't, dude.
[02:56:15]  Like, it's that'll be the end of it.
[02:56:18]  I don't know.
[02:56:18]  Maybe, maybe, yeah.
[02:56:20]  Maybe it's inevitable that the United States breaks up somehow.
[02:56:24]  But, you know, I hope it's not bloody, but I don't see how else it could be because, like, say if Texas wants to split away from the feds, well, the feds want that revenue.
[02:56:33]  Like, the federal government is not in the business of getting smaller.
[02:56:36]  Like, the government is not in the business of getting smaller.
[02:56:38]  It's just this gigantic monolith that needs to keep eating, right?
[02:56:42]  Because everybody's got to get paid.
[02:56:44]  And it's just, it's natural that it would try to grow.
[02:56:47]  It's like the prison.
[02:56:48]  Population, right?
[02:56:49]  It's so against their interest to let it reduce.
[02:56:54]  Yeah.
[02:56:55]  So I just think if Texas or whoever, California, tried to break away, the feds would send armed people in.
[02:57:02]  You know what I mean?
[02:57:04]  Yeah, man.
[02:57:04]  It would take something crazy like that to fix us, I feel like.
[02:57:08]  Because you have like a lot of the countries in Europe, they don't fucking operate the same way we do.
[02:57:13]  Yeah, of course.
[02:57:13]  Money and getting sick and medicating people and prison industrial complex.
[02:57:18]  We live in a sick fucking society, man.
[02:57:21]  And over there, they've already been through fucking hell.
[02:57:23]  They've been through it all.
[02:57:24]  That's what it is.
[02:57:25]  We're just not, we just haven't evolved.
[02:57:26]  We just haven't been around as long.
[02:57:27]  Yeah.

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[02:57:28]  You know?
[02:57:28]  Yeah.
[02:57:29]  Colin Quinn is a great joke, though, making that one of the greatest comedians.
[02:57:32]  Colin Quinn, he's talking about the fact that, like, it's crazy that this country is this big.
[02:57:37]  When you look at Europe, that's why it's cut off into so many different countries because culture is different.
[02:57:43]  Right.
[02:57:43]  Like, he's like, and then his joke is, you can't tell me that Bulgaria and Spain have less in common than New Jersey and Utah.
[02:57:51]  You know what I mean?
[02:57:52]  And it's totally true.
[02:57:53]  Like, there's a reason that borders and mountains are used as, like, these natural barriers because, like, we're not meant to have this gigantic.
[02:58:02]  Community, it's impossible, right?
[02:58:04]  You're meant to focus on what's going on in your own community, it makes it better, yeah.
[02:58:08]  It makes it better, like, yeah, we're not meant to manage as many people, yeah.
[02:58:11]  Like, it's it doesn't work, yeah.
[02:58:14]  The only question, the only big concern is if once we're split up into five, six, seven, eight countries, who the big superpower, right?
[02:58:22]  Who's that going to be, right?
[02:58:26]  I don't know, I don't know.
[02:58:27]  It's not going to be China, China's everybody thinks China's about to be the next thing, they're not, no, they're not.
[02:58:33]  Um.
[02:58:34]  That's the only thing.
[02:58:34]  Like, I don't know.
[02:58:35]  Maybe it's better that you, maybe there's, maybe there is no more distribution of threat power.
[02:58:40]  That's what it is.
[02:58:40]  It's better that everything gets decentralized.
[02:58:43]  You know what I mean?
[02:58:44]  I think.
[02:58:45]  I don't think we're ever going to solve it in our lifetime, but it's definitely fun to talk about.
[02:58:48]  Yeah, sure.
[02:58:49]  Yeah.
[02:58:49]  It makes for good clickbait, dude.
[02:58:50]  Hell yeah.
[02:58:51]  We're going to get about a fucking 5 million epic viral shorts from this podcast.
[02:58:56]  We'll get a nice pop.
[02:58:58]  Hopefully your channel gets a nice little pop.
[02:58:59]  Hell yeah, man.
[02:59:00]  Well, thanks for coming.
[02:59:01]  Thanks for coming, bro.
[02:59:01]  I really appreciate it.
[02:59:02]  Tell people where they can follow your shit and subscribe and follow.
[02:59:04]  Please, please go watch the Connect.
[02:59:06]  On YouTube and on Spotify, iTunes, you can listen to it as well.
[02:59:10]  And that's, we're putting up two episodes a week.
[02:59:12]  If you just go to, if you type in The Connect with Johnny Mitchell, I'll pop right up on YouTube.
[02:59:17]  We have a documentary episode every week where we travel to all of these different kind of interesting cartel places and do crazy shit like that.
[02:59:26]  And then I have a podcast where I interview people once a week as well.
[02:59:30]  What's that one called?
[02:59:31]  That's just called The Connect as well.
[02:59:32]  We're just dropping interviews.
[02:59:33]  Yeah.
[02:59:34]  We're just, we're not even.
[02:59:35]  What's your other podcast with the dude with the long hair?
[02:59:37]  Oh, Leo, we don't do that anymore.
[02:59:38]  That was called The Fuckman.
[02:59:39]  That was The Comedy's Coming.
[02:59:40]  But right now, I want people to go check the Connect out.
[02:59:43]  Okay.
[02:59:43]  But you can follow my, if you like stand up comedy, go to my page, Johnny Mitchell on YouTube.
[02:59:49]  Follow me on Instagram.
[02:59:50]  That's a big one, at Mr. Johnny Mitchell.
[02:59:52]  That's where I'm posting all my alerts and my show dates when I'm out on the road doing comedy or when I'm in Los Angeles.
[02:59:58]  So, yeah, those are the big ones YouTube and Instagram.
[03:00:01]  Hell yeah.
[03:00:02]  Yeah.
[03:00:02]  Appreciate it, bro.
[03:00:03]  I'll link it all below.
[03:00:04]  That's it.
[03:00:04]  That's it, baby.
[03:00:05]  Goodbye, world.
[03:00:06]  All right.