Danny Jones Podcast - #42 Porn | Maria Ahlin
Aired: 2020-05-19
Duration: 51:59


=== Sweden's Effective Government Rules (03:29) ===

[00:00:00]  Hello, world.
[00:00:01]  Thank you for pressing play on episode number 61 of the Concrete Podcast.
[00:00:07]  Today's episode is all about porn, and our guest is Maria Alin.
[00:00:11]  Maria is a public speaker, author, and also the head of a youth organization called Changing Attitudes.
[00:00:17]  As an expert on issues concerning pornography and sex buying, she's given more than 400 public talks, including a TED Talk.
[00:00:25]  She's met with over 500 people in prostitution, as well as thousands of sex offenders who have ended up in prisons.
[00:00:32]  By inspiring more of a public conversation about porn, she's challenging old beliefs and myths by replacing them with facts, science, and real life stories.
[00:00:40]  So, without further ado, I hope you enjoy this super informative and fun chat with Maria Aline.
[00:00:55]  It's good to finally talk to you.
[00:00:56]  You too.
[00:00:58]  Are you in Stockholm or where are you?
[00:01:00]  Yeah, I'm kind of in Stockholm.
[00:01:01]  I mean, it's a town called Uppsala.
[00:01:04]  Okay.
[00:01:05]  It's close to Stockholm, but it's not Stockholm, but it's very, yeah, very close.
[00:01:10]  Okay.
[00:01:11]  I just managed to get back from LA when kind of, yeah, like I got back from LA a week before the corona virus hit, basically.
[00:01:23]  Yeah.
[00:01:23]  So I just managed to get back home.
[00:01:27]  Sweden's dealing with this thing way different than the rest of the world is.
[00:01:30]  How's that?
[00:01:31]  What is that like?
[00:01:32]  Actually, it's, I think, you know, there's a lot of headlines and, you know, stuff being said and written, but it's really, I would say it's handled quite well here.
[00:01:44]  I mean, because the thing is that if the Swedish government tells the Swedish people that you need to do this and this, people are actually going to do it.
[00:01:53]  So it's, I mean, when the Swedish government gives a recommendation, it's not like something people don't care about, like they really listen.
[00:02:00]  So it's, Basically, like you know, having a law for it, so people actually listen.
[00:02:07]  So, I think, yeah, yeah, people trust the government over there more than they do here.
[00:02:12]  Yes, that's exactly what it is.
[00:02:14]  Yes, for sure.
[00:02:16]  And I'm actually Norwegian, so I feel like I can be like objective and like see, yeah, if it's working or not.
[00:02:22]  But I actually think Sweden is doing quite a good job.
[00:02:24]  Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, I read a few things about it, and it seems like some of the stuff they have, or some of the rules at least, that they have in place.
[00:02:32]  Are really similar to what we have here.
[00:02:35]  I'm in Florida, by the way.
[00:02:37]  And Florida, I mean, they have a lot of strict, like, legal restrictions that you're supposed to follow, but most people aren't really following them.
[00:02:45]  And it sounds almost like, in a way, Sweden's rules are probably just as effective as what's going on where I am right now.
[00:02:53]  It's just people here are just pushing it way harder than they should be.
[00:02:57]  Right, right.
[00:02:58]  And here it's not really necessary to push it that hard because, like, the prime minister says something, everyone is like, Okay.
[00:03:05]  Yeah.
[00:03:05]  Yes.
[00:03:06]  So, yeah, you're right.
[00:03:08]  So, you're in Florida.
[00:03:09]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:03:10]  Florida.
[00:03:10]  Yep.
[00:03:11]  I was so jealous.
[00:03:12]  It's very different from your part of the world.
[00:03:15]  Yeah.
[00:03:15]  Extremely different.
[00:03:17]  No, today is like so just gray.
[00:03:20]  It's almost like purple.
[00:03:22]  Like it's so gray.
[00:03:24]  I mean, yeah.
[00:03:25]  I'm like, I need some sun.

=== Kids Are Braver About Porn (14:48) ===

[00:03:29]  So, I've listened to a couple of your talks.
[00:03:32]  Your TED talk, by the way.
[00:03:35]  I have to ask you how the hell you were able to explain the meaning of ass to mouth to an auditorium full of professional people like that.
[00:03:49]  I would actually say that's like years of experience.
[00:03:55]  Okay.
[00:03:55]  Have to give credit to the years of experience because I'm not really bothered by it, honestly.
[00:04:04]  You know?
[00:04:05]  Right.
[00:04:06]  No, but it just takes a lot.
[00:04:08]  To me.
[00:04:10]  But yeah, but I mean, obviously, like, you need some poker face going on for sure.
[00:04:15]  But it's like, I don't really, I don't really, I don't know.
[00:04:20]  I don't think, like, what's the big deal?
[00:04:22]  Like, it's, we got to talk about it, you know?
[00:04:24]  Yeah.
[00:04:26]  You said that you have interviewed a lot of porn performers and people in the industry.
[00:04:31]  Basically, the thought that I was trying to get across was that a lot of famous porn stars or widely known porn performers come from really challenging backgrounds and really rough childhoods.
[00:04:42]  Like stripping or being a porn star can bring in a lot of money.
[00:04:46]  And it seems like a really appetizing thing and a really obvious solution to get out of those terrible situations as a child because you can make a lot of money doing those things.
[00:04:57]  Right.
[00:04:58]  Yeah.
[00:04:58]  Have you noticed anything like that?
[00:04:59]  Have you noticed similar backgrounds to people you've talked to?
[00:05:03]  Yeah, for sure.
[00:05:05]  And I kind of like before I went in and did started doing interviews with people in porn, I was kind of like thinking back to the people I met in classic prostitution.
[00:05:17]  And still, like, even though I've worked with this issue for years, I was still actually expecting a higher standard when it came to the people in porn, like in terms of their living conditions and in terms of the money they were making.
[00:05:31]  And just like, yeah, I was just expecting more glam, I guess more glam, more money, more Hollywood, more, you know, red carpets.
[00:05:39]  But it's, I would say, obviously, there are people making a lot of money in porn for sure.
[00:05:46]  But the majority, They won't even last for a year, you know, like it's so it will be like a quick in and out, and the money won't be that much, really.
[00:05:57]  Uh, to the majority, and when it comes to the challenging backgrounds, I would say, yeah, I do agree to some extent that it is.
[00:06:04]  Um, unfortunately, that's like because even I was like, oh, I want to be wrong, you know, I don't want to have this, this is what I think I'm gonna meet, you know, and then everything is just gonna tick my boxes.
[00:06:18]  So I was like, prove me wrong.
[00:06:20]  But obviously, I have heard some horror stories when it comes to people in porn, why they entered their childhood, growing up in poverty, growing up in perhaps homelessness, being victims of abuse, physical, sexual, foster care.
[00:06:40]  All of these factors are irrelevant.
[00:06:43]  And yeah, for sure.
[00:06:45]  And I would also say one of the perhaps key factors when it comes to entering porn or prostitution or whatever.
[00:06:53]  Is the sexual abuse like the trauma, the undealt with trauma?
[00:06:57]  So that is a key factor to joining porn, I think.
[00:07:01]  And the trauma.
[00:07:02]  Sorry, I just do you hear my dog in the background?
[00:07:05]  Yeah, I hear him.
[00:07:06]  I think it's hilarious.
[00:07:07]  What kind of dog is it?
[00:07:09]  It's a cavalier.
[00:07:12]  We have to edit this so much.
[00:07:13]  No, we'll leave it in.
[00:07:14]  You should get you should put him in the chair right behind you so we can see him.
[00:07:19]  I actually gave him like I gave him a talk.
[00:07:21]  I was like, dude, buddy, please just be quiet.
[00:07:26]  Woody?
[00:07:29]  Yeah, but no, it seems like porn performers are treated like, at least by the agents or the producers in the industry, as just like sex objects with an expiration date.
[00:07:39]  And the expiration date is really soon.
[00:07:42]  Right, right.
[00:07:43]  I mean, yes, that's, I've heard producers say that actually, talking about it as to like bringing in fresh meat.
[00:07:54]  You know, they want to offer something new to the consumer.
[00:07:57]  And once the consumer is kind of fed up with that, then, you know, she or he is gone.
[00:08:01]  And then you know, off to the next one.
[00:08:03]  So, yes, it is, it seems to be, you know, quite a quick in and out for most people.
[00:08:10]  Yeah, is that industry big in Sweden or was that mainly in LA where you were doing all that research?
[00:08:20]  Yeah, that was mainly in LA and in Vegas.
[00:08:23]  Yeah, LA and Vegas.
[00:08:25]  Okay, but it exists in Sweden for sure, but not to that extent at all.
[00:08:30]  Uh, I think like we have more.
[00:08:33]  More porn production here than people are aware of, but still, compared to what you guys have in the US, like it's nothing.
[00:08:41]  Yeah.
[00:08:43]  LA is such a crazy place.
[00:08:47]  Yeah, it is.
[00:08:48]  I think we all could agree on that.
[00:08:50]  But there's just something like it's so, I don't know if it's like cheesy, but I absolutely love LA.
[00:08:56]  Like it's just something.
[00:08:57]  Do you really?
[00:08:58]  I adore it.
[00:08:59]  Yes, I do.
[00:09:01]  And my favorite part actually is downtown.
[00:09:03]  And everyone keeps telling me, like, oh, you can't be there.
[00:09:05]  It's dangerous.
[00:09:06]  And I'm like, But it's where the most authentic people are, you know, because it's so much homelessness and so many people with, you know, difficulties.
[00:09:16]  But to like sit down and have a conversation with one of them, it's like to me, that's like the most rewarding.
[00:09:23]  Yeah.
[00:09:23]  My best memories from LA are from like conversations downtown.
[00:09:27]  Really?
[00:09:28]  Yes, for sure.
[00:09:30]  Yes.
[00:09:31]  I would definitely bet the amount of homeless people there is insane.
[00:09:37]  It's absurd.
[00:09:37]  It's like nothing else.
[00:09:39]  It's like nowhere else.
[00:09:40]  Nowhere else.
[00:09:41]  Yeah.
[00:09:41]  You're right.
[00:09:43]  And to me, I get so like, I know it's a bit perhaps, I don't know, naive you could call it, but to me, I'm like, how is this not fixable?
[00:09:54]  You know, it's not like it's a million people in homelessness, it's still an amount of people that, you know, it should be possible to handle this, to offer housing and provide support.
[00:10:07]  Yeah.
[00:10:08]  Yeah.
[00:10:08]  Especially during something like the coronavirus, it's got to make it so much worse.
[00:10:14]  From your research, how does.
[00:10:17]  Porn today has an effect on society in general, in your opinion?
[00:10:23]  I would say porn really kind of leaks into different parts of society today.
[00:10:28]  It obviously affects kids and youth when it comes to the early exposure.
[00:10:33]  So many kids and youth are exposed to porn at such a young age, but they haven't even had a conversation about sex and relationships with any adults yet.
[00:10:43]  So porn really beats the adults to it when it comes to that.
[00:10:48]  So, and I mean, obviously, it's affecting relationships.
[00:10:51]  It's, you know, when it comes to like expectations and also like the stories that I've heard from especially young people explaining to me that, like, oh, you know, I compare myself to what I see in porn and I think I need to do this and I need to do that and, you know, I'm supposed to look like this or that and my partner isn't hot enough or isn't, you know, doing this or this.
[00:11:14]  And so it's a lot of pressure, I think, on many young people today since porn is currently.
[00:11:22]  I would say that the one and only player right now really setting the standards for our sexuality and for our, you know, expectations of ourselves and each other.
[00:11:32]  Do you talk to parents at all and ask them how they deal with it and how are they dealing with it in a way that is either effective or not?
[00:11:40]  Yeah.
[00:11:41]  Yeah, I do.
[00:11:44]  This is like, this is interesting because I always see that.
[00:11:47]  Because whenever, let's say I've been to a school, so I've talked to the students all day and then during the night, I get to meet the parents.
[00:11:55]  And it's so interesting because when I'm in a classroom talking to students, they will be totally open and honest and they will share and they will be ready to talk about it as if it's actually affecting them.
[00:12:08]  They will share their own experiences.
[00:12:10]  However, when I'm meeting a more adult group, I always have to talk about kids and youth.
[00:12:17]  You know, if I'm going to go into talking about like grownups consuming porn, that's more sensitive to them.
[00:12:25]  I find that.
[00:12:27]  I find that kids and youth are more brave when it comes to talking about this.
[00:12:32]  But I wouldn't count the adults out, for sure not.
[00:12:35]  I mean, I've had so many good meetings and just like, yeah, meeting adults who are very much on fire for talking about this.
[00:12:45]  But the thing is, I think they want to talk about it if they are, in fact, aware of the fact that kids are actually consuming porn, but they don't know how to do it.
[00:12:56]  So it's.
[00:12:57]  And to many, I think it's a fear when it comes to, oh, you know, my child is only eight or nine or 10, and I don't want to wake a sleeping bear, you know?
[00:13:06]  So I'm like not saying anything.
[00:13:08]  And then when the kid is like 16, 17, I'm like, have you heard of condoms?
[00:13:13]  You know?
[00:13:14]  So it's just like the gap is just like too massive.
[00:13:19]  But I do think parents want to do this for sure.
[00:13:23]  But I do also think we need to equip parents and we need to give them facts and tools and just like the confidence.
[00:13:29]  To talk about this, what do you tell them?
[00:13:31]  Like, how do you tell parents to talk to their kids about porn?
[00:13:35]  Say you have, I don't know how early kids are getting access to it, but I know kids are getting iPhones, you know, before the age of 10, probably.
[00:13:44]  Yeah, for sure.
[00:13:45]  Yeah.
[00:13:46]  I would say most of the kids and youth that I've spoken to and, you know, done interviews with as well has been six, between six and nine has been like the average age of the first exposure.
[00:13:58]  That's what I've been told.
[00:14:01]  But obviously, it's not really.
[00:14:03]  It's not that interesting when you're eight, you know, but once you get puberty, then obviously it's going to be more interesting.
[00:14:10]  So, 12 is like the average age for guys to watch porn, and a bit under 14 seems to be the average age for girls.
[00:14:19]  And so, what do you tell the parents?
[00:14:21]  What kind of advice do you give them?
[00:14:23]  Okay, so I would tell you to actually just do it.
[00:14:31]  Like, I would say just.
[00:14:33]  Just do it.
[00:14:34]  Like, you actually don't need to feel like you have to know everything.
[00:14:39]  And have, even though, like, obviously, having facts and being, you know, knowledgeable in this area is obviously going to help you.
[00:14:46]  But if you do not know anything about it, just like raise the topic, ask questions.
[00:14:53]  And I will also say, like, be smart about it.
[00:14:55]  Like, put on your poker face and perhaps ask a question, not directly to your kid about your kid, but perhaps ask a question about that kid's, you know, friends and classmates.
[00:15:07]  And be like, you know, oh, you know, do you know if you have any friends who have perhaps seen anything online that was a bit, you know, did you see anything you kind of reacted to?
[00:15:17]  And I would also like not exclude like the fun parts online, you know, like to not be all, oh, you know, be so careful and everything is bad, you know, but to really like highlight the good stuff as well.
[00:15:28]  To also say to a kid that, you know, can we just sit down for an hour and you could show me like what do you do online?
[00:15:35]  So what's like your favorite thing that you've ever seen?
[00:15:38]  What's the most funny thing you've ever seen?
[00:15:41]  Um, what have you seen anything that scared you?
[00:15:43]  Have you seen anything that you know you lost sleep over to kind of like include all of the uh the good and the bad, really?
[00:15:52]  And if the kid is really young, just kind of make it a conversation about like online activities, social media.
[00:15:59]  Um, just being aware like this is also content you could come across.
[00:16:06]  A hard thing is that kids, young kids, are always looking for thrills and just find the craziest thing they've ever seen online, yeah.
[00:16:14]  And the bad part about the porn industry, I mean, well, it's like any entertainment industry, really, is that entertainment's always trying to push the envelope and push it to the next level.
[00:16:24]  Yeah.
[00:16:24]  And come up with like the next thing that people are going to be like, what the fuck?
[00:16:30]  Yeah.
[00:16:30]  And then there's going to be some freaks out there, some crazy psychos that, like, oh, yeah, they're really into it and then enjoy it.
[00:16:37]  I mean, it all depends on their psychology.
[00:16:40]  Yeah.
[00:16:41]  Absolutely.
[00:16:42]  But that's the thing that they're never going to stop pushing the envelope on it and they're never going to just keep evolving it.
[00:16:48]  Right.
[00:16:48]  Right.
[00:16:49]  And I mean, the shock factor obviously is triggering, like you're saying.
[00:16:55]  That has to do with how the brain works because the brain is going to be shocked when it sees something new and something exciting and even something that will make you arouse.
[00:17:04]  All of those components make for a perfect dish.
[00:17:08]  So, really, I would say to also, as a parent, be aware of the fact that your kid, if your kid, let's say you have a 13 year old who you probably know that this person is or this child is addicted to pornography or is consuming it a lot.
[00:17:26]  I would say to that parent, be really careful about not judging that kid because that brain works perfectly because that brain responds to what is being presented online on these major porn sites.
[00:17:42]  And if you get addicted, that's a normal reaction to watching porn a lot.
[00:17:49]  You're not strange.
[00:17:50]  You don't have a bad character or a lack of morals.
[00:17:55]  You're actually normal.
[00:17:57]  So to kind of Yeah, be aware of when it comes to shaming and like guilt tripping.
[00:18:04]  I would say avoid that as much as you can because, and you know, because we got to remember like the porn industry, it's not run and it's not set up and it's not like it's, I mean, it's not being produced by kids, right?

=== Getting It Out Of The System (15:09) ===

[00:18:17]  Right.
[00:18:18]  Like it's being produced by adults.
[00:18:20]  So we are the one who needs to then carry that responsibility.
[00:18:24]  That study that was done by Cambridge, there were a couple of researchers from Cambridge where they studied the brain activity between.
[00:18:32]  Between drug addicts and people who were porn addicts, and they compared them to healthy volunteers, whatever.
[00:18:39]  And they noticed that there were the three regions in the brain that lit up.
[00:18:42]  And it was almost identical between the drug addicts and the porn addicts.
[00:18:46]  It affected them the same way it could be treated as an addiction.
[00:18:50]  And the crazy part about it was they even went deeper to find out why humans don't stop doing something when they know that it's either physically or psychologically damaging to them.
[00:19:02]  And the part about how you're doing something.
[00:19:05]  Despite the fact that you don't even like it.
[00:19:09]  Yeah.
[00:19:10]  Compulsive behavior.
[00:19:11]  Like it was just like smoking cigarettes or overeating or snorting Coke or any of those things.
[00:19:18]  You know that they're terrible for you and they could kill you, but you still do it anyways.
[00:19:24]  And that speaks so much to how this material would, like how it actually affects the brain, like how similar to drugs it really is.
[00:19:34]  Because the brain can't really tell the difference.
[00:19:36]  Because, I mean, we have one reward system.
[00:19:38]  That's all we got, you know?
[00:19:39]  So, that reward system can be hijacked by basically anything that will give you pleasure.
[00:19:44]  But then, obviously, you know, we are going to be like more, we're going to experience more, you know, a greater high, more kicks.
[00:19:55]  We're going to get more kicks out of watching porn than, you know, taking walks or whatever, you know, like it's, and the same with coking, you know, that's going to be more effective when it comes to getting you hooked than, let's say, other more, you know, yeah, weed or whatever.
[00:20:12]  So, yeah.
[00:20:15]  And another thing to consider is, you know, they're swiping through Tinder and they're not thinking clearly because they want to find sex or they're super horny and they want to get with somebody who they may not like or they may not love, they may not even like them, but they think they're hot because they're super horny and they're not thinking clearly because of that.
[00:20:36]  So maybe they should just watch some porn and get it out of their system.
[00:20:40]  Right.
[00:20:41]  That's another thing to consider.
[00:20:42]  Yeah, sure.
[00:20:43]  I mean, that's why a lot of people could end up in relationships with.
[00:20:46]  In relationships with people they don't like or they don't love.
[00:20:50]  What?
[00:20:53]  Because they both just love sex and they both provide that reward for each other, but they may not love each other.
[00:21:02]  They just ended up in that situation because it was convenient for both of them.
[00:21:05]  Right, right.
[00:21:06]  Okay, yeah.
[00:21:07]  Because you don't really think clearly when you have that energy and you're like super, all you're thinking about is sex.
[00:21:15]  I mean, that happens to everybody.
[00:21:17]  So when you do that, you don't think rationally.
[00:21:21]  Right, and you end up in those relationships like that, and you realize 20 years down the road, we don't even like each other, right?
[00:21:28]  We just like to, right?
[00:21:30]  You're comparing that makes sense to porn, yeah, for sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:21:37]  So, instead of Johnny going out on 100 Tinder dates in a year and risking catching an STD, instead, he just wants to watch some porn and get it out of his system, sure.
[00:21:51]  That's it, it's another thing to consider.
[00:21:53]  I mean, yeah, sure, I've heard that.
[00:21:55]  You know, a lot, then I would say to Johnny, like, dude, there are more options than, you know, a careless relationship for 20 years or porn.
[00:22:03]  Like, right.
[00:22:05]  Yeah.
[00:22:05]  You have some other things you can choose between as well.
[00:22:09]  It's not your only two options.
[00:22:11]  Yeah.
[00:22:12]  Yeah.
[00:22:13]  If I'm going to, like, be, you know, let me be tough on you then and say, like, is it because if that's the cure to unhealthy relationships, if that, if the cure is porn, you know, I mean, Wouldn't then the porn problem be fixed once you have a good relationship?
[00:22:33]  Are there no people in good relationships consuming porn?
[00:22:37]  You'd want to connect with them on more levels than sex.
[00:22:41]  Yeah.
[00:22:42]  Yeah.
[00:22:43]  And a lot of people, especially kids, teenagers, people in their 20s, they're not thinking like that.
[00:22:49]  They're just thinking with that one part of their brain.
[00:22:52]  And if you could sort of get that out of the way, it changes your thinking.
[00:22:57]  You believe that?
[00:23:00]  Yeah, 100%.
[00:23:01]  I believe.
[00:23:01]  Yeah.
[00:23:02]  Uh huh.
[00:23:03]  Okay.
[00:23:03]  Explain that one more time.
[00:23:04]  Like, what are you actually saying?
[00:23:06]  What are you thinking that porn can kind of cure?
[00:23:09]  I don't think it's necessarily porn itself that can cure that.
[00:23:16]  But what I'm saying is people that you think are hot and you think you like because you're being blinded by horniness or whatever you want to call it.
[00:23:26]  Instead, you just watch some porn and you masturbate.
[00:23:30]  And instantly that feeling is gone.
[00:23:32]  Right.
[00:23:33]  And now you're like, what was I thinking?
[00:23:35]  Why would I?
[00:23:35]  I don't even like this person.
[00:23:37]  Right.
[00:23:38]  Like, I just wanted to have sex.
[00:23:39]  I wanted to get that out of my system.
[00:23:41]  Yeah.
[00:23:42]  I think a lot of people deal with that problem.
[00:23:44]  Yeah, for sure.
[00:23:45]  Like, I hear that all the time.
[00:23:47]  And not saying porn is the answer.
[00:23:49]  I'm not definitely not saying porn is the answer, but it's obviously the easiest solution.
[00:23:54]  Right.
[00:23:54]  It's the most obvious thing to go to.
[00:23:55]  It's so available to you.
[00:23:57]  Yeah.
[00:23:58]  And like, there are different factors to that.
[00:24:00]  Like, one, For sure, that can be true.
[00:24:03]  Uh, the other I would say to just consider is to also like, um, again, like, are those two the only two options that you have?
[00:24:13]  You know, are there other ways to kind of enhance your life and to like use your imagination?
[00:24:19]  Yeah, or just like read a book.
[00:24:24]  Like, there are other things we can do.
[00:24:27]  But also, there's a fact of like, because that has to be considered as well.
[00:24:30]  Obviously, if what we were saying earlier about, you know, the backgrounds when it comes to people in porn, if that in fact is the case, like, is that fair to like have a group of people?
[00:24:44]  That we can kind of like take our urges out on.
[00:24:48]  You know what I mean?
[00:24:49]  Explain that one more time.
[00:24:50]  So instead of me going out and having, you know, sex with 100 different people via Tinder, I'm going to go online and, you know, jerk off to some porn.
[00:24:59]  But then what I'm saying is that is that fair to people important to like have that, you know, have a group of people that you're like, it's fine.
[00:25:07]  If you're important, you know, you can be important for my sake, you know?
[00:25:13]  Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
[00:25:14]  Are we kind of ready?
[00:25:15]  Like, do we want to like sacrifice this group of people?
[00:25:18]  Since we do know the backgrounds they come from, like, are we okay with, you know what I mean, using them for our own, you know, yeah, salvation, Tinder?
[00:25:31]  Yeah, I know what you mean, but it's kind of like that's the way society works and it's the way the world works.
[00:25:40]  Those people are there because they're desperate.
[00:25:44]  I feel like people become porn stars because they're desperate in the situation where they finally make that leap.
[00:25:50]  Right.
[00:25:51]  Not just porn stars, strippers are prostitutes.
[00:25:55]  They're desperate for something.
[00:25:57]  And the most obvious way to get independence and to get financial success at that moment would be porn or prostitution or dancing at a strip club.
[00:26:10]  Right.
[00:26:13]  You know, obviously, there's a lot of long term negative effects to it.
[00:26:20]  And it comes with that.
[00:26:22]  You know, people.
[00:26:23]  You're going to have kids jerking off to your videos for years.
[00:26:28]  And your kids, when you have kids and they go to high school or middle school, you're going to have all their friends asking you about your mom and why they're all watching your mom have sex on their iPhones.
[00:26:41]  So, you know, I don't think they think about that.
[00:26:43]  They don't think about that in the moment, right?
[00:26:45]  In that moment, they're desperate for money or they're desperate for independence.
[00:26:48]  And that's the answer.
[00:26:50]  That's the easiest answer.
[00:26:53]  That's also like interesting because I, You know, we do have, I would say, like, we do have somewhat of a porn culture in a way.
[00:27:00]  Like, it's like we were saying earlier, like, it's leaking into different parts of society, it's leaking into media, advertisement, the fitness industry, like, all of that.
[00:27:09]  And so, I find it just like interesting.
[00:27:12]  Like, we do have this culture where, you know, some people are going to be pushed into the porn industry or into other types of prostitution, or, you know, and but once they're in it, like, we're going to judge them.
[00:27:30]  You know what I mean?
[00:27:31]  Then we're going to be like, oh, like you're going to be online forever.
[00:27:35]  Like, obviously, you're going to be online forever.
[00:27:38]  But I'm like, what I'm trying to say is that the society kind of opened that door.
[00:27:46]  But once they entered, we're willing to use porn, but we're also judging the people in porn.
[00:27:54]  Right.
[00:27:55]  You know?
[00:27:56]  So that's kind of what I think it's so important because I do, that's what I've heard so many people that I've talked to in the industry say that.
[00:28:04]  Like this girl actually told me, she was like, You're actually the first one to ask me to talk about this.
[00:28:11]  Because I just read tweets and whatever about me, but nobody ever comes to me and actually asks these questions.
[00:28:19]  And she was really explaining to me how she was really feeling judged by society.
[00:28:25]  But it's also the same society that will go behind closed doors and watch her.
[00:28:30]  You know what I mean?
[00:28:31]  So when I'm talking about porn, I'm very much talking about it from a standpoint of US and I'm on their side.
[00:28:40]  Yeah.
[00:28:40]  You know?
[00:28:41]  Yeah, totally.
[00:28:42]  Yeah.
[00:28:43]  So I'm looking to, how did you end up here?
[00:28:45]  But again, I'm also, I think it's like we gotta take it one step further and not just look at why and how people ended up in porn, but also to see like who are, you know, who are the consumers, what is happening in society, what kind of attitudes are we kind of adapting from using aggressive porn and all of that.
[00:29:08]  So it's really, we gotta have all the pieces.
[00:29:12]  There's a lot of porn performers, especially in LA, I think.
[00:29:17]  That have kind of ascended out of porn and they've kind of transitioned to like social media stars and become more accepted.
[00:29:26]  I think, yeah, you're totally right.
[00:29:27]  People look down on a porn star or, like, oh, yeah, I could watch them on my phone, but I would never date one.
[00:29:34]  Exactly.
[00:29:35]  They've been with, look how many dudes she's been in gangbangs and all this other stuff.
[00:29:41]  Yeah.
[00:29:42]  But what they don't consider is that probably any guy or girl in, Any nightclub in LA has probably been with 10 times more people that were not tested for STDs prior to having sex with them.
[00:29:58]  Right.
[00:29:59]  But it's the conception of the fact that you can see it.
[00:30:04]  You can literally watch it happening.
[00:30:07]  And to me, that is like, that is kind of like categorizing women into two groups.
[00:30:12]  Like, one is the, she's the wifey material, you know, like she's the girl you can date and bring home to your mom.
[00:30:19]  Right, there's this girl in porn, and you're like, No, no, no, she's a slut, but still, again, as I'm saying, behind closed doors, you're still gonna watch her, you know?
[00:30:30]  Right, right.
[00:30:31]  Oh, like that's that's being a hypocrite, totally.
[00:30:35]  Yeah, getting back to what I was talking about, girls that have like reached out of porn, like they did it for so long and became so successful, they kind of like peaked interest of people, like, Oh, I have an Instagram or I have a Twitter, you can follow me on my own platforms, yeah, and they've kind of like become social media stars.
[00:30:52]  And they make those OnlyFans accounts.
[00:30:55]  Yeah.
[00:30:55]  They kind of control everything.
[00:30:57]  That's kind of like the way the media industry is going, I think, anyways, because people who are creating their own content now and being in, like, they own their own stuff and they're able to monetize it their own way instead of being a slave to some porn producer or porn agent that's just sending them across the country to go live in some producer's house for a week, you know, while they have to shoot 10 porn videos.
[00:31:24]  Yeah.
[00:31:25]  For sure.
[00:31:26]  I think that's a direction we're headed for sure.
[00:31:31]  But I wouldn't count out the shitty producers and the amount of people that will still be attracted to that.
[00:31:37]  Because you're still going to have people who are not able or they're in a desperate situation.
[00:31:44]  They don't have time for Instagram.
[00:31:46]  You know what I mean?
[00:31:46]  So it's like to many people, it's actually about survival as well.
[00:31:50]  Yeah.
[00:31:51]  Yeah.
[00:31:53]  But I mean, yeah, we're going to see.
[00:31:56]  I think we're going to see.
[00:31:58]  To some extent, we're going to see that happening for sure more and more.
[00:32:01]  Yeah.
[00:32:02]  And when you talk about aggression, what do you mean?
[00:32:05]  When you talk about aggression or violence in porn, do you think that's something that is ramping up or getting more prominent?
[00:32:19]  I mean, if we're going to look at the studies that we have, we've kind of seen that trend for years.
[00:32:27]  It's not really aggression in porn, it's not that new.
[00:32:31]  I wouldn't say that.
[00:32:35]  But.
[00:32:36]  Yes.
[00:32:36]  I mean, of course, it's going to be like I've talked to producers explaining to me that they actually get bored.
[00:32:43]  This one guy was like, Yeah, like, of course, we're going to, you know, look at like how extreme can we make it because like it's not only the consumer that gets bored, we get bored as well.
[00:32:55]  So, yeah, but like when it comes to aggression in porn, it's a thing and it's very like going back 15 years, the aggressive porn would have been like the.
[00:33:06]  The strange porn, like the dark web porn, kind of, but now that is mainstream.
[00:33:11]  So I would say that has kind of shifted.
[00:33:14]  Like, what has shifted is it's just the acceptance of aggression in porn.
[00:33:19]  And the fact that now we don't even think of slapping someone or pulling someone's hair as aggression, really.

=== Parents Need Facts And Reality (06:49) ===

[00:33:27]  You know, that's just part of porn.
[00:33:31]  So, like, you know, the boundaries are constantly being pushed, but they're also constantly being.
[00:33:37]  Yeah.
[00:33:38]  Yeah, there's almost no boundaries anymore.
[00:33:40]  It's like blurred lines in between both.
[00:33:43]  For sure.
[00:33:43]  Yeah.
[00:33:44]  I think there was a quote from a porn producer saying that the only thing left to do to women in porn now is just, you know, killing them.
[00:33:52]  Like, that's, we've done it.
[00:33:54]  Yeah.
[00:33:56]  And there are porn on that too.
[00:33:58]  You know, snuff porn, that's a thing too.
[00:34:01]  Yeah.
[00:34:01]  What is it?
[00:34:01]  Wasps?
[00:34:03]  Wasps, after they mate, the female eats the male.
[00:34:07]  That's next for humans.
[00:34:08]  Yeah, I guess.
[00:34:10]  Like the spider.
[00:34:11]  Oh, the spider.
[00:34:12]  Yeah, that's what it is.
[00:34:13]  Yes.
[00:34:15]  The widow.
[00:34:16]  Yeah.
[00:34:18]  I mean, it's one thing if it was, I mean, porn is legal.
[00:34:22]  Yeah.
[00:34:23]  There's a lot of drugs that people use because they're hard to get and they're illegal.
[00:34:30]  And it becomes more of a desirable thing because it's harder to get.
[00:34:34]  Porn's not hard to get.
[00:34:35]  Everybody can get it.
[00:34:36]  So it's interesting why there's still such a problem with people being addicted to it.
[00:34:41]  But there's no real, there's no.
[00:34:44]  Real alternative.
[00:34:45]  There's nothing else like it that you could say is healthy or isn't bad for you psychologically.
[00:34:52]  Right.
[00:34:53]  Exactly.
[00:34:54]  And that's, you know, I would say like the whole, like the existence of porn, like to the amount of, you know, yeah, that we do see today, I would say that is really like a slap in the face to any, you know, any country lacking sex education.
[00:35:11]  Because what we do see in studies also is that kids and youth tend to look for porn.
[00:35:18]  When in fact, what they're looking for is facts, you know, they want sex education.
[00:35:24]  So that's, you know, that's a signal to all of us to step it up when it comes to sex education.
[00:35:30]  Because, you know, the situation we're dealing with now is that we've gotten, we don't, you know, sex education is really like this, you know, it's not really, it's not the same.
[00:35:42]  Like if I look at Sweden, it's like we have some parts of Sweden who is doing a really good job, and then you have other parts who aren't even talking about condoms.
[00:35:50]  So, you know what I mean?
[00:35:52]  It's very Russian roulette when it comes to sex education.
[00:35:56]  And I think that really leaves kids and youth alone with porn as the only sex educator.
[00:36:02]  So that's when we got to ask ourselves okay, so if this is our sex educator, if this is our teacher, what kind of mission does this teacher have?
[00:36:10]  You know, what's the purpose?
[00:36:12]  What curriculum is this teacher using and so on?
[00:36:15]  So, yeah.
[00:36:17]  The problem is there is no goals or anything.
[00:36:19]  It's all about just more and more money for them.
[00:36:22]  Exactly.
[00:36:23]  Their goal is not to provide kids and youth.
[00:36:27]  Great sex education.
[00:36:28]  That is not what most porn producers are about.
[00:36:31]  You know, they're about the money, as you're saying.
[00:36:34]  And another thing to consider is that a lot of young people, probably mostly young girls, look up to people like Pam Anderson or Carmen Electra as, like, oh, look at them now.
[00:36:44]  They're celebrities, right?
[00:36:46]  Like they're big shots now.
[00:36:49]  They're not porn stars anymore.
[00:36:50]  So I could just be a porn star for a few years and then I could have the goal of being like Pam Anderson one day.
[00:36:56]  Yeah, for sure.
[00:36:58]  And that also, I mean, that's.
[00:37:01]  That also, I think, speaks to where we're at today when it comes to the normalization of porn because it really is so, you know, right next to mainstream media.
[00:37:13]  I think it used to be more separated, you know, but now it really is transitioning from porn to mainstream media, you know, it's not that hard.
[00:37:25]  So, what's the answer to this, Maria?
[00:37:27]  You tell me.
[00:37:29]  What is the answer?
[00:37:30]  What is the answer?
[00:37:34]  I'm, as I'm saying in my TEDx talk as well, I'm really all about like education and conversation.
[00:37:40]  I think that is just key.
[00:37:42]  Like, if we get to have a conversation and be critical and really look at this from a fact point of view, I would say that is gonna bring some solution to this.
[00:37:54]  Because I do think, I do think like getting people aware will then enhance your ability to also make an informed decision.
[00:38:06]  So, I mean, I'm not gonna.
[00:38:08]  And I can't do that.
[00:38:08]  I can't go into your bedroom and be like, I'm going to stand here and watch and make sure you don't use some porn, you know, and I'm going to be there all night.
[00:38:15]  Like, I can't do that.
[00:38:16]  So, and I don't want to do that.
[00:38:18]  So, what I can do is I can provide you with the facts and then it's up to you.
[00:38:23]  Do you want to continue to use porn?
[00:38:24]  Then fine, go ahead.
[00:38:25]  Or do you want to like consider these facts and, you know, make an informed decision?
[00:38:29]  But yeah, so I think facts and education is key.
[00:38:35]  And to really like bridge the gap between the adults, like how, You know, parents are thinking about this.
[00:38:43]  They perhaps some are very aware, and some are like, No, my kid is 15, and he or she has never even like kissed someone.
[00:38:50]  You know, like the gap is perhaps too big sometimes to kind of bridge that.
[00:38:57]  And then the sex education in school needs to, you know, we need to step that up for sure.
[00:39:02]  And then I would say to, and I'm doing that, and I want to do that more to actually connect with people in the industry to actually see what are the pull factors and what are the actual backgrounds.
[00:39:14]  And what are the you know the reality of porn?
[00:39:17]  Yeah, I think that, yeah, the younger years, the hardwiring years, I think are the most important years too.
[00:39:22]  And it's it's big, you know, a big part of the responsibility has to go to the parents on it too.
[00:39:27]  Because a lot of parents they just are lazy, or they don't if it makes them uncomfortable, they're gonna resort to being lazy and they're just not gonna do anything about it, right?
[00:39:36]  And I mean, I think we can kind of like I can identify with that, like if something isn't comfortable, obviously it's gonna like my brain wants to opt out of that task or whatever, you know.
[00:39:49]  Yeah, so I mean, this is going to take an effort from all of us for sure.
[00:39:54]  But I actually think like equipping parents with facts and getting them to really understand like, okay, so first, my kid is going to see porn, maybe not tomorrow, but perhaps it is going to happen to like, you know, that reality check of it.
[00:40:10]  And then also to equip parents to, like you're saying, like to have that conversation.

=== Thailand Brothels And Prison Work (05:44) ===

[00:40:17]  Yeah.
[00:40:19]  That is key.
[00:40:20]  What do you have planned in the future after this sort of pandemic thing clears out?
[00:40:25]  What?
[00:40:26]  What have you been doing?
[00:40:26]  What's your schedule like?
[00:40:28]  What does your day consist of?
[00:40:30]  Right.
[00:40:30]  Which pandemic, porn or corona?
[00:40:32]  Oh, both.
[00:40:35]  I don't know.
[00:40:35]  I mean, obviously, you said.
[00:40:37]  I'm going to be at a beach.
[00:40:38]  Yeah, sorry.
[00:40:39]  You were living in LA, right?
[00:40:41]  I'm actually, I'm kind of going back and forth between Sweden, LA, and actually Thailand.
[00:40:49]  Okay.
[00:40:49]  Yes.
[00:40:50]  I've spent my winters in Thailand for the last maybe five years or so, four or five years.
[00:40:56]  Really?
[00:40:57]  Yes.
[00:40:58]  Wow.
[00:40:59]  What have you seen in Thailand?
[00:41:01]  Yeah.
[00:41:03]  Although it's been like mainly like I'm combining it with like work like from afar, like distance work and then vacation.
[00:41:11]  But obviously, Thailand is very, you know, with brothels, it's very extensive.
[00:41:20]  And so you'll see, yeah, you'll see sex fires all over when it comes to like in these specific brothel areas.
[00:41:30]  And they won't be all, I mean, yeah, you're going to see different ages and whatever.
[00:41:39]  But it's obviously there's a lot of like tourists, but there's also a lot of like Thai men really buying sex from women in prostitution in Thailand.
[00:41:50]  Thailand's a lot like Vegas in a way, right?
[00:41:53]  Sorry.
[00:41:54]  When it comes to like sex work and prostitution, Thailand is very similar to Las Vegas.
[00:41:58]  Is that right?
[00:41:59]  For sure.
[00:41:59]  Yes.
[00:42:00]  For sure.
[00:42:01]  Did you think that's mainly because of the tourism there?
[00:42:05]  I mean, it absolutely has something to do with it.
[00:42:08]  Absolutely.
[00:42:09]  Like, yeah, like hundreds of thousands of people will go to Thailand, even just from Sweden every year to do vacation.
[00:42:18]  So that obviously affects the amount of brothels available.
[00:42:23]  But as I was saying, it's also important to know that it is a lot of Thai men as well who are actually visiting these brothels.
[00:42:30]  And it's the same, you see the same in India.
[00:42:32]  It's not only tourists, it's really a lot of Indian men as well going to brothels.
[00:42:35]  So, really, yeah, so it's a domestic problem as well as an international problem.
[00:42:45]  And are you so are you talking to people there like compared to people in the different places you go to?
[00:42:50]  Have you you haven't talked to anybody in Thailand?
[00:42:52]  Not in Thailand, actually.
[00:42:53]  I've kind of stayed clear because I'm just like, I need some vacation from, yeah, yeah, um, so no, but I've met, um, throughout these years that I've worked with this issue, I met maybe.
[00:43:07]  Yeah, if I'm not going to exaggerate, maybe I met like 400 people in prostitution over the years.
[00:43:12]  Wow.
[00:43:12]  Men and women and transgender people.
[00:43:15]  And I've met sex buyers and people convicted of sex offending crimes in various countries in Austria, Germany, Sweden, Norway.
[00:43:29]  Yeah, the list goes on.
[00:43:32]  And yeah, and so, yeah, so what would I do after?
[00:43:37]  So you interviewed like sex offenders that were in prisons.
[00:43:41]  Yeah, yes.
[00:43:43]  Not officially interviewing, but I've done volunteer work for years.
[00:43:47]  Okay.
[00:43:48]  Did you ever actually have conversations with any of them?
[00:43:51]  Yeah, that's what you do when you do the.
[00:43:53]  So, yes, I mean, I've had hundreds of conversations with people convicted of the most, you know, awful things you can't even imagine.
[00:44:06]  And I rarely read their files or anything.
[00:44:08]  I was very like, yeah, just to kind of meet the person, you know what I mean, instead of the offender.
[00:44:18]  But they would tell me, a lot of them would tell me and would share what their conviction was for, and some wouldn't.
[00:44:26]  But yeah, there are some pretty tough stories.
[00:44:32]  And it's also, I mean, I would really say, because that also hit me when I've, because I did like years of volunteer work in different prostitution, like red light areas.
[00:44:43]  Yeah.
[00:44:44]  Meeting people in prostitution and then exchanging that for prison work.
[00:44:49]  What I really saw, and it kind of shook me, like what I really saw was the similarities to when it comes to the background stories.
[00:44:58]  And you kind of saw, like, okay, like none of you grew up the way you deserve to grow up, you know?
[00:45:06]  And then things happen, and, you know, your life took a turn, and you made bad choices.
[00:45:13]  And yeah, I'm not excusing anything because it's so awful the things that, you know, a sex offender does.
[00:45:20]  Obviously, it's horrible.
[00:45:22]  But I would also say that I have had some really great experiences when it comes to meeting them because I've really seen the person behind it.
[00:45:31]  Again, not to excuse anything, but just to kind of add to it the childhood trauma and the things that have happened to a lot of people.
[00:45:42]  Yeah, I think the prison term for the sex offenders is I think everybody in prison just calls them chomos, which is short for child molesters.
[00:45:50]  Yeah.
[00:45:50]  So they think if you're in there for a sex crime, you're automatically a child molester.
[00:45:54]  Yeah.
[00:45:55]  Is that what you noticed?
[00:45:56]  It was most of it with like underage type stuff?

=== Studying Sex Crimes In Miami (04:26) ===

[00:46:01]  I would say that too, of course.
[00:46:04]  But it would be anything.
[00:46:05]  It would be anything from rape to.
[00:46:08]  Because in Sweden, you combine, if you are convicted of a.
[00:46:13]  If let's say you have beaten up your partner, then you will be put in the same prison as someone who has committed a rape.
[00:46:20]  Okay.
[00:46:21]  So it would be anything on that spectra, really.
[00:46:25]  Okay.
[00:46:25]  Yeah.
[00:46:26]  Yeah.
[00:46:27]  How long have you lived in Sweden again?
[00:46:29]  Oh, since.
[00:46:30]  Okay.
[00:46:31]  Let's see.
[00:46:31]  How long have I been?
[00:46:33]  13 years, I think, going on 14.
[00:46:37]  I think, yeah, okay, because that part of the world, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, they're way more open sexually than people in America.
[00:46:47]  Most of America is made up of people who are very insecure, I think, sexually compared to that part of the world.
[00:46:55]  I think you're doing a great job.
[00:46:57]  Thank you.
[00:46:58]  I appreciate it.
[00:46:59]  What's the future of your company and what kind of plans do you guys have for the next year, next few years?
[00:47:07]  Um.
[00:47:08]  I'm really, as I said, I'm so in love with LA.
[00:47:11]  So I'm like, I have to be there.
[00:47:14]  Wow, that's so funny.
[00:47:18]  What?
[00:47:18]  Is that the only part of the United States you've been to?
[00:47:20]  No, I've been to DC.
[00:47:22]  Okay.
[00:47:23]  And Vegas.
[00:47:26]  DC, Vegas.
[00:47:27]  And LA.
[00:47:28]  And LA.
[00:47:29]  Okay.
[00:47:30]  So I need to do a road trip, I feel.
[00:47:34]  Yeah.
[00:47:35]  Yes.
[00:47:35]  Definitely do a road trip.
[00:47:37]  Yeah.
[00:47:37]  A coastal road trip.
[00:47:38]  I mean, obviously, through the middle of the country, you'll see some really interesting shit too.
[00:47:42]  Right.
[00:47:43]  But along the East Coast, there's some amazing places on the East Coast, including Florida, Miami.
[00:47:51]  Miami is a place you have to go to.
[00:47:52]  I have to go to.
[00:47:53]  It's like another country.
[00:47:55]  It is.
[00:47:56]  But I feel like there are so many countries within the U.S.
[00:48:01]  Yeah, definitely.
[00:48:02]  Yeah.
[00:48:04]  But when you're in Miami, you honestly feel like you're on another continent.
[00:48:10]  It feels so isolated from anything else.
[00:48:12]  Well, I guess compared to Florida, because nothing else in Florida is like Miami.
[00:48:16]  Right.
[00:48:19]  I have to go.
[00:48:20]  But yeah, LA, I'm not a big fan of LA.
[00:48:22]  I'm not really a big fan of it.
[00:48:25]  I love San Diego.
[00:48:26]  I love like up north California, but LA just seems like so much traffic, you know, so much like the people are so superficial and fake there.
[00:48:35]  I feel like not everybody, but for the most part.
[00:48:39]  I think I've been so lucky because that's everybody keeps telling me that.
[00:48:42]  Like whenever I go there, it's just like everybody is like, oh, beware, like, you know, me.
[00:48:48]  And I'm like, I haven't seen that yet.
[00:48:50]  I'm really.
[00:48:51]  For a surprise, I don't know, but it's yeah, I'm lucky.
[00:48:55]  Everybody has been so genuine and yeah, yes, I've made friends like real friends, and yes, for sure.
[00:49:03]  Oh, yeah, they'll expose themselves for who they really are, don't it?
[00:49:08]  It's coming, let you know when that happens.
[00:49:12]  Yeah, no, I think like we really want to go towards like being more, um, yeah, once Corona is gone, um, we could be more.
[00:49:22]  Uh, present, I think, in LA, I really want to study in the US some more.
[00:49:27]  I'd love to study, perhaps.
[00:49:29]  I don't know, I've looked into studying law at UCLA, I've looked into some programs at Harvard, but that's um, I wouldn't want to be in Boston, so I had to, I you know, I have to look at some programs that they have that you can do um, from home basically, like you don't have to be on campus all the time, yeah.
[00:49:48]  So, I'm like looking into different studying options and to see.
[00:49:52]  Um, yeah, I got a good feeling about the future.
[00:49:55]  I know I think it's gonna, you know, they're gonna happen so.
[00:49:58]  And I see like when it comes to this this year, I really see like people are opening up, like people are talking about it more and more.
[00:50:04]  And um, just checking my DMs every day, I'm like, oh wow, like okay, there's this guy from Iran, or there's this guy from Saudi Arabia, or there's this girl from Australia, or you know what I mean?
[00:50:16]  It's like all over, so it's so.
[00:50:18]  I think people are hungry for a conversation on porn, yeah, I can definitely see that.
[00:50:23]  Well, that's amazing, that's super interesting.
[00:50:26]  What about you?

=== Opening Up After Corona (01:31) ===

[00:50:27]  What about me?
[00:50:28]  Yes.
[00:50:30]  In regards to what?
[00:50:31]  After Corona, what's happening?
[00:50:33]  After Corona, I'll actually be able to have more people in our studio doing these podcasts face to face.
[00:50:41]  We got a few people locally that we've had coming in, but for the most part, it's just been these Skype interviews with people on remote locations.
[00:50:51]  Additionally, we shoot a lot of documentary type stuff.
[00:50:54]  So we do a lot of traveling and filming weird shit around the state and around the country.
[00:51:00]  Production work has been close to non existent for the past few months.
[00:51:06]  So, you know, right now, talking, I mean, talking to through a computer is great, especially when you have someone interesting, but there's nothing like that one on one, face to face interaction.
[00:51:16]  For sure.
[00:51:17]  I can imagine.
[00:51:18]  Yes.
[00:51:18]  Perseverance, perseverance.
[00:51:21]  Absolutely.
[00:51:22]  So, people that are listening to this, how can they find you on social media and where can they follow you and learn more about what you're doing?
[00:51:29]  Yeah.
[00:51:30]  So, my name is Maria Alin.
[00:51:33]  Which is a h l i n, so just switch those two and then you'll find me Aline Maria, a h l i n Maria.
[00:51:41]  That's on Instagram.
[00:51:42]  And then you can find Changing Attitudes on Instagram and changingattitudes.co for our website with facts and stuff on porn and sex buying and all that.
[00:51:54]  And definitely watch the TED Talk.
[00:51:56]  Yeah.
[00:51:58]  Yes.
[00:51:58]  Do it.