Danny Jones Podcast - #30 - The Real Florida Man: Prescription Drugs & Heavy Metal | Jake James
Aired: 2020-01-07
Duration: 02:13:53


=== Rollerblading Tooth Emergency (02:54) ===

[00:00:08]  Yeah, I was rollerblading at Seminole High School.
[00:00:13]  He comes home with it.
[00:00:14]  So my parents like emergency comes home with the tooth.
[00:00:16]  No, yeah, I had they went and had an emergency like the guy came in on a Saturday to glue his tooth back on it was Super Bowl Sunday So that later that day we were wrestling or something.
[00:00:26]  Yeah, fell back and my elbow hit his tooth and it totally broke again.
[00:00:30]  Oh my god.
[00:00:30]  And then the doctor said fuck it Just gives you the whitest tooth that we have We're not going to match it.
[00:00:39]  We're going to make sure it does not fucking match.
[00:00:41]  We're going to hope you catch up.
[00:00:42]  Never did.
[00:00:44]  Hopefully you brush the rest of them.
[00:00:46]  No.
[00:00:47]  Well, I'm just trying to, like, stain it.
[00:00:49]  It's easier just to stain one than to whiten all the rest of them.
[00:00:52]  Instead of, like, doing a whitening strip, I'll just do, like.
[00:00:55]  It just puts out a Newport on it.
[00:00:56]  Or I'll, like, put that tooth in a K-cup with a little bit of water.
[00:01:01]  So it's just, like, cold coffee water and it just, like, tries to stain it.
[00:01:04]  I'll rub some of that keef on there.
[00:01:05]  Yeah, hell yeah.
[00:01:06]  Yeah, your Instant coffee.
[00:01:07]  Oh, it's your Instant coffee.
[00:01:08]  Dude.
[00:01:09]  I smuggled it out.
[00:01:10]  Yeah.
[00:01:11]  I still got it.
[00:01:13]  We should drink a cup.
[00:01:14]  All right, let's get this fucker rolling.
[00:01:17]  Are we rolling?
[00:01:17]  Do we need headphones?
[00:01:18]  If you want them.
[00:01:19]  You don't need them.
[00:01:20]  Jake, you want to wear them?
[00:01:21]  You don't need them.
[00:01:22]  You're going to mess up his hair.
[00:01:23]  Yeah.
[00:01:24]  We don't want to mess up his hair.
[00:01:25]  Am I not going to be able to hear you guys?
[00:01:26]  No, yeah.
[00:01:27]  No, yeah.
[00:01:27]  I just like him because I know it was a joke.
[00:01:29]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:01:33]  Fuck.
[00:01:33]  All right.
[00:01:37]  Yep.
[00:01:38]  All right.
[00:01:38]  So this podcast is a very rare podcast.
[00:01:41]  Extremely fucking rare.
[00:01:45]  Today's special guest is Jake James, legend of Pinellas County, and his brother Luke James.
[00:01:53]  Not so much a legend.
[00:01:54]  Also a legend.
[00:01:56]  In his own right.
[00:01:57]  Also a legend.
[00:01:58]  Yeah.
[00:01:59]  Our mom had two boys that were all over TV.
[00:02:01]  Yeah.
[00:02:02]  We're already stars.
[00:02:03]  I've seen on TV.
[00:02:05]  I was on TV for three days.
[00:02:06]  How about you?
[00:02:07]  It was just like a solid day on Bay News 9.
[00:02:10]  So it was a classic, though.
[00:02:12]  Jake, for everybody out there who's not from this area, who may not know who you are, give us like a, just introduce yourself.
[00:02:18]  Oh, this isn't local.
[00:02:20]  No, it's not.
[00:02:20]  Yeah, it's local too.
[00:02:21]  It's also national.
[00:02:23]  It's the local channel.
[00:02:25]  A little bit about myself?
[00:02:26]  Yeah, just give me the elevator pitch of who Jake James is.
[00:02:29]  Well, it's a complicated and long story.
[00:02:32]  He's never been in an elevator, so he's going to have a hard time.
[00:02:35]  Yeah, I mean, been on an escalator.
[00:02:38]  Been one of those fast walking things in the airport.
[00:02:40]  I don't know what you call those.
[00:02:41]  That's a fast walking sidewalk.
[00:02:43]  Oh, nice.
[00:02:44]  Oh, it's like a flat escalator.
[00:02:46]  I like it.
[00:02:46]  Yeah.
[00:02:48]  Called a moving road that you can walk on.
[00:02:53]  All right.
[00:02:53]  Well, I don't fucking know, dude.
[00:02:54]  Like, you don't know who you are?
[00:02:56]  I don't know.
[00:02:57]  Does anybody?
[00:02:58]  No, not really.
[00:02:59]  The Florida man.
[00:02:59]  I'm still kind of trying to figure it out.
[00:03:01]  Yeah.
[00:03:01]  Well, that's good.

=== The Mountain Dew Backstory (05:53) ===

[00:03:02]  I've just done a lot of dumb shit.
[00:03:04]  Like, when you're a little kid where you touch the stove, you know it's hot.
[00:03:07]  Yeah.
[00:03:07]  I pretty much do that with every aspect of my life.
[00:03:09]  Just touch it.
[00:03:10]  Yeah.
[00:03:10]  It's like forget about it and do it the same thing the next day.
[00:03:13]  But he doesn't touch it.
[00:03:13]  He just, like, puts his face on it.
[00:03:15]  Yeah.
[00:03:17]  Right.
[00:03:18]  It's to the extreme.
[00:03:19]  Yeah.
[00:03:20]  It's not just a touch.
[00:03:21]  It's not just, like, uh, it's pretty much, uh, It's like, oh, I kind of like that.
[00:03:25]  Me summed up real quick is I'm either not doing it or I'm all the way fucking in kind of deal.
[00:03:33]  All in or all out?
[00:03:34]  Yeah.
[00:03:35]  There's no you and Luke are the same in that aspect.
[00:03:37]  Yeah, for sure.
[00:03:40]  Is that like something that was hardwired into you guys as young kids?
[00:03:42]  I think we get it from our mom.
[00:03:44]  Totally.
[00:03:46]  Dad, too.
[00:03:47]  Yeah, but they they're extreme.
[00:03:48]  Well, they could handle it better than, well, I could.
[00:03:53]  Because, like, you look right now how Luke looked, like, eight years ago.
[00:03:57]  I know.
[00:03:58]  It's weird.
[00:03:59]  We just switched, kind of.
[00:04:01]  Jake never looked like this.
[00:04:02]  He never looked this good.
[00:04:10]  I don't think I was ever that skinny.
[00:04:12]  Nah, you're always ripped.
[00:04:16]  So ripped.
[00:04:19]  Cut up, dude.
[00:04:20]  Toothcake, man.
[00:04:21]  It's all the HGH.
[00:04:22]  Yeah.
[00:04:23]  It's doing good.
[00:04:24]  The protein.
[00:04:25]  I think you're taking the racing horse steroids.
[00:04:29]  Straight in the ass.
[00:04:30]  What's the shirt?
[00:04:31]  What's the shirt say?
[00:04:32]  Oh, sworn to fun, loyal to none.
[00:04:34]  What's that mean?
[00:04:35]  It's a motto from one of my good buddies' dads that just passed away.
[00:04:38]  Oh, okay.
[00:04:39]  Yeah.
[00:04:39]  Just gnarly biker dude.
[00:04:40]  Didn't give a fuck.
[00:04:41]  Pretty much like fuck everybody.
[00:04:43]  You know what I mean?
[00:04:44]  I like that, dude.
[00:04:44]  Yeah.
[00:04:45]  If it ain't fun, fuck it.
[00:04:47]  Just fucking go home.
[00:04:48]  Right.
[00:04:48]  Don't do it.
[00:04:49]  Because that's not fun.
[00:04:50]  Yeah.
[00:04:52]  He made it, right?
[00:04:53]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:04:54]  I made the shirt?
[00:04:55]  Yeah.
[00:04:56]  I've just been making shitty shirts with vinyl iron on letters.
[00:04:59]  Oh, okay.
[00:05:01]  I thought I was going to start an empire.
[00:05:03]  Just like every little thing I do as well.
[00:05:05]  It doesn't happen.
[00:05:06]  Just like the Mountain Dew thing.
[00:05:08]  Yeah, I thought they were gonna kick Dale Jr. off and put me on Mountain Dew, but you mean what Mountain Dew thing?
[00:05:13]  Oh, when we shotgunned Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was making sure cuz I know you have a Mountain Dew tattoo also right?
[00:05:18]  We got a little backstory to the Mountain Dew thing You can't just say it like everybody knows.
[00:05:22]  Oh, yeah, give us a Introduce us to the story of Mountain Dew.
[00:05:27]  Okay, so the Mountain Dew thing started I Don't even know how that started was that your idea or my idea?
[00:05:33]  It was someone's idea.
[00:05:34]  I'm not gonna know you wanted me to you wanted me to do a suicide like you know when you're a kid yet you hit the fountain you get all the sodas a little bit of soda Luke wanted me to do like a 12 pack of every different soda okay like how fast i could do it yeah but then i started reading about all those people dying from like chugging water so i'm like luke i might die dude so he was like all right let's just do six tall boys at mtn do which was almost a gallon i really didn't do the math but it sounded better than 12.
[00:06:02]  yeah i don't have time for math but i'm into it six tall boys 12 12 dues it sounds better but they don't have a converge like how many tall boys are in a gallon Yeah, there's nothing there.
[00:06:15]  What's in a tall boy?
[00:06:16]  Well, there's 128 ounces in a gallon.
[00:06:18]  16 ounce?
[00:06:19]  16.9.
[00:06:19]  16 times 16.9.
[00:06:21]  Oh, were you referencing these cans of liquid death?
[00:06:24]  Yeah, I was looking at it.
[00:06:25]  That was like 96.
[00:06:27]  It was 96 ounces of Mountain Dew.
[00:06:29]  128 ounces is a gallon.
[00:06:31]  And you chugged the whole thing?
[00:06:32]  Don't ask how I know that, though.
[00:06:33]  Yeah, it's on the Frick YouTube channel.
[00:06:36]  Yeah.
[00:06:38]  It's about to blow up any day now.
[00:06:39]  Yeah, it's been on there for like five years.
[00:06:41]  I think I got like 150 views.
[00:06:44]  I thought I was going to get out and be a superstar, but we literally timed it.
[00:06:48]  And it was how long?
[00:06:49]  I think it was a minute and three seconds.
[00:06:51]  A minute and three seconds for six tall boy dudes shotgun, six tall boy mountain dudes.
[00:06:55]  So bad, okay.
[00:06:56]  So I was.
[00:06:57]  Were they code red or regular dude?
[00:06:58]  They were regular.
[00:06:59]  Yeah, we don't with that code red, okay.
[00:07:01]  Okay, it's either real dude, baha blast or get the out.
[00:07:03]  Yeah okay, don't hit me with that diet yeah oh, that was funny too because uh, I was cooking at this shitty restaurant on the beach.
[00:07:10]  Uh, it was.
[00:07:11]  It was like dollar taco day, so i'm just like jamming tacos while i'm cooking all day.
[00:07:15]  And so we ended up, we shotgunned all six of the dudes And I was like, I just started puking.
[00:07:22]  Right?
[00:07:23]  So I'm throwing up Mountain Dew, throwing up Mountain Dew.
[00:07:25]  And then I hit the tacos and I was like, all right, I'm good.
[00:07:28]  Oh, I'm sorry.
[00:07:30]  Sober you up a little bit from the dews.
[00:07:32]  No, I pretty much got them all out.
[00:07:34]  Really?
[00:07:35]  Yeah, but I didn't drink a Mountain Dew for probably like a year after that.
[00:07:39]  You should show us the Mountain Dew tattoo.
[00:07:44]  Oh, the whole can.
[00:07:45]  Scoot up a little closer.
[00:07:46]  The whole can.
[00:07:47]  Put up to the mic.
[00:07:49]  Can I get some more Mountain Dew?
[00:07:52]  I got that right there because I always see guys getting tattoos of like guns in their waistband.
[00:08:00]  That's so funny.
[00:08:00]  We were just talking about that.
[00:08:01]  There's a dude who put these.
[00:08:02]  Floors and had that and he's like I know, i'm like that's, it's pretty stupid.
[00:08:04]  I'm like so makes no sense, lamest tattoos.
[00:08:07]  So i'm like I want to get a can of mountain dew in my waistband, just pretty much like a you.
[00:08:16]  Oh, my gosh, I was gonna ask you uh, I was just gonna ask a prison question, but then I realized we didn't even like introduce that whole story yet.
[00:08:24]  Yeah, that's what?
[00:08:25]  Yeah, go ahead, you've been to prison.
[00:08:27]  How long were you in prison for?
[00:08:29]  I did total of six years.
[00:08:30]  I got a seven-year sentence.
[00:08:33]  Florida, you have to do 85 of your time.
[00:08:35]  So I ended up doing Like, give or take a couple days.
[00:08:38]  Six years, holy shit.
[00:08:40]  Yeah, and what did you go in for Arm burglary arm robbery Possession of cocaine possession of oxycodone Wow, that's a that's a tongue twister.
[00:08:52]  I think that was it.
[00:08:53]  Yeah, that's a lot.
[00:08:54]  It sounds a lot worse than it is.

=== Six Years in Florida Prison (10:52) ===

[00:08:56]  Yeah, do you want to give some backstory to the lead up?
[00:09:00]  Yeah Let it rip.
[00:09:02]  Oh Yeah, so so how do you how do you get arrested for?
[00:09:06]  Well, I mean, before he gets arrested.
[00:09:08]  You got to understand like, the backstory of the whole thing.
[00:09:11]  Yeah, monster was made how how, how was the how was this monster born?
[00:09:15]  Okay, so I, I was kind of late doing drugs, I guess as a kid I was probably like what's late?
[00:09:21]  16, maybe that's late, that's not late.
[00:09:23]  No okay, hard drugs, I mean, come on yeah, I mean, I tried coke for the first time at 16, but I didn't try, I didn't, that's not late.
[00:09:32]  I didn't do it like a year or two after that I didn't touch it okay but uh, but I should have known that first time when I did it.
[00:09:40]  I shouldn't have done it anymore right, because it's like that's all you want, kind of deal.
[00:09:44]  Yeah, I just got a super addictive personality kind of deal, just kind of take off with it.
[00:09:49]  So you were 18, 16 to 18 years old when you yeah, but the people, the people I ran with, was kind of, they were way earlier than me yeah, kind of, and I would always say no.
[00:10:00]  And then yeah, just kind of started doing it and you know, everybody says like oh, i'm selling drugs, but it's really like you're doing them and kind of getting them half price because you're selling a few, peddling a little.
[00:10:10]  Yeah, you know what I mean.
[00:10:11]  Yeah, kind of like that.
[00:10:12]  So just making your stash cheap, Yeah, well, I was good insight.
[00:10:18]  Wow, how do you know so much about this?
[00:10:21]  Well We're no saints here Yeah, so um when I was I don't even know fucking how old I was that's kind of a blur back then, but I got a hookup with a bunch people that had a bunch of fucking like Vicodin and shit like that.
[00:10:38]  Yeah, and I was selling those and then I started like you were selling Vicodins.
[00:10:42]  Yeah, so I didn't I was actually selling them then Wasn't really doing them and didn't smoke weed didn't really like going out to bars drinking Yeah, and then I started trying the pills and it was like oh, it feels it feels fucking great.
[00:10:56]  Yeah, so you pop them every day and then I didn't have them one day and I was talking to somebody and they're like oh, you're dope sick I'm like what like a junkie like it like doing heroin or something random dude and I was probably oh no the guy I knew okay that would that does them too and then I Don't even know how old I was then I was probably I was probably like 18 somewhere in there.
[00:11:18]  Yeah So then it just kind of spiraled from there, just started doing heart, like just higher dose ones.
[00:11:25]  And with all the pill mill shits around here, too.
[00:11:28]  Oh, my God.
[00:11:29]  It was so easy, man.
[00:11:31]  Like totally out of control.
[00:11:33]  Right.
[00:11:33]  That was an epidemic time in Florida, first.
[00:11:35]  Yeah, no, it was fucking go to these doctors.
[00:11:37]  Like you'd go to these trips of pills.
[00:11:38]  You'd go to these doctors, man, and there's fucking 100 people outside waiting to get in.
[00:11:43]  And there's people inside.
[00:11:45]  They can't fit no more people in there, and it's all cash.
[00:11:47]  You know what I mean?
[00:11:48]  Dude, it's still like that, though.
[00:11:50]  I mean, my wife had to just go to the doctor, and they were like, Trying to give prescribe her Vicodin.
[00:11:56]  Oh, she's like, No, I really don't want it.
[00:11:57]  I don't need it.
[00:11:58]  I'm fine.
[00:11:59]  She's like, No, no, no, you need it.
[00:12:00]  You need it.
[00:12:00]  They ended up like forcing and giving forcing her a bottle of lycodin.
[00:12:03]  Yeah.
[00:12:04]  No, but these third way.
[00:12:06]  Yeah.
[00:12:06]  I mean, they get like they're incentivized like I got to tell them if something I'm like Don't give it to me.
[00:12:12]  I can't do it.
[00:12:13]  Yeah.
[00:12:13]  You know what I mean?
[00:12:14]  Because I don't even I don't even really I don't want to do it So how easy was it to get it like what it was like some crazy people?
[00:12:20]  Well, I had when I was 15 I had screws my hips hips are all fucked up.
[00:12:25]  So I had x-rays and I would just pretty much take them in there.
[00:12:28]  And if I didn't have the x-rays, I knew what to tell them.
[00:12:32]  So they kind of know you're not a cop or something like that, I guess.
[00:12:34]  Yeah, so we would hit like probably like five or six different ones a month and I mean, and you're getting to where put down a elephant dude yeah, and then uh like uh, i'll be like oh, I got a cough too, let me get some of that permethazine.
[00:12:50]  Oh, my god, anything you wanted.
[00:12:52]  You just tell them be like, oh, I can't, I can't concentrate, or at what age I got this.
[00:12:56]  Uh, I think that was.
[00:13:01]  Oh man, I was high school 2005 so geez, I was like early 20s okay, probably like that yeah, but yeah, that was totally out of control.
[00:13:16]  So, pretty much, if you just like had an excuse and some cash and you knew what to say, you could get whatever you wanted.
[00:13:21]  Yeah yeah, I mean, that's all it is.
[00:13:22]  Yeah, it was more.
[00:13:23]  So the cash.
[00:13:24]  Were you drinking and eating these pills?
[00:13:25]  No no no okay, I was never a big drinker at all, believe it or not.
[00:13:30]  You never drank back.
[00:13:30]  I never drank like.
[00:13:32]  I always like not people like have some drinks, and they're like oh, I want to go get some coke.
[00:13:40]  Yeah, i'm like I just want some coke.
[00:13:42]  Yeah, the drinks.
[00:13:44]  I'm like I don't want to drink.
[00:13:45]  Holy, that's how I, that's how I was.
[00:13:48]  So I was totally out of my mind, yeah.
[00:13:52]  So so like I mean, like seeing people now i'm like okay, I get why you drink, and then do it.
[00:13:57]  But I was just full blown okay, doing coke and and then it got to the point to where um, I was dropping something off for somebody and they were shooting up, shooting up coke, shooting up coke, yeah.
[00:14:12]  So They said, you want to try it, I go no.
[00:14:15]  And then like, a couple more times, I go over there, like different times, and one day I was like yeah, fuck it, whatever.
[00:14:21]  So, tried that I.
[00:14:24]  I hated shooting up pills.
[00:14:26]  I love shooting up coke.
[00:14:27]  I want pills and shoot coke.
[00:14:29]  I don't know, because I'm a, I have no idea, you don't remember, you can't remember like what?
[00:14:34]  Like a reason for it?
[00:14:35]  No, I just felt like.
[00:14:37]  I felt like when you shot up pills, it was It, you just went through too many.
[00:14:42]  And then I'm like I don't want to be dope sick right, so I don't want to go through all my pills that quick.
[00:14:46]  Okay with the coke.
[00:14:48]  I mean, if you snort, whatever you do with it, you're gonna want it.
[00:14:51]  Yeah, you're going for the rush, no matter what yeah, but like that, that was like there's chasing that next one yeah, yeah.
[00:14:57]  So it got to the point to where I was just I was just banging coke, snorting pills kind of all day.
[00:15:04]  I mean, if I had it yeah, wow.
[00:15:06]  And then you're just that's just.
[00:15:07]  Your whole life kind of just revolves around where.
[00:15:10]  What are you gonna do next to get money?
[00:15:12]  Who are you gonna scam?
[00:15:13]  Yeah yeah, what are you gonna do kind of around?
[00:15:17]  Did you have like a job?
[00:15:17]  Did you have like a job or anything at the time that was like holding you down?
[00:15:21]  Like any kind of stability in your life?
[00:15:22]  No, I mean, if there was, I never had like a serious job.
[00:15:26]  So I never really took anything serious back then.
[00:15:30]  If I didn't like it, I just began to be like, fuck you and leave.
[00:15:34]  Yeah.
[00:15:34]  Because, yeah.
[00:15:36]  Which is kind of like, I'm working the same job kind of jobs now.
[00:15:39]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:15:40]  You stick with it because you have to.
[00:15:41]  You know what I mean?
[00:15:42]  There's bills to pay now.
[00:15:44]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:15:45]  Walk me through.
[00:15:48]  The timeline, how that part of your life led up to the part where you got arrested.
[00:15:53]  Got in trouble.
[00:15:54]  Yeah.
[00:15:54]  I mean, when you're hitting it that hard for so long, it's a matter of time.
[00:15:59]  Because you're either riding around all day with shit.
[00:16:03]  You're always doing something shady, illegal kind of deal like that.
[00:16:09]  The people you hang out with, you're fucking hanging out with total fucking scumbags that do not give a fuck about you.
[00:16:16]  They're hanging out because you might be able to get something and vice versa.
[00:16:20]  I would hang out with people I would never fucking hang out with.
[00:16:23]  So it's just kind of like that.
[00:16:26]  You just get in this wrong crowd and then just shit, you know what I mean?
[00:16:29]  Just shit builds up and everybody keeps going to the next level to where it's just like something fucking bad's gonna fucking happen.
[00:16:36]  Yeah.
[00:16:37]  So then, I guess basically the first time I really got in trouble.
[00:16:42]  Luke, were you talking to him at all in this?
[00:16:45]  Do you remember this time?
[00:16:46]  Yeah.
[00:16:47]  We didn't really ever have a great relationship, I think, between the ages of from whenever I can remember up until he got out of prison.
[00:16:56]  I mean, we really connected in prison.
[00:16:59]  Yeah.
[00:16:59]  Like, through heavy metal and just kind of, it took me like three years for of being sober in prison.
[00:17:07]  Yeah, to kind of, if I would have gotten out before the three, like three years, I would have got out and done the same thing, you think.
[00:17:14]  But oh, I know yeah well, because I would.
[00:17:16]  Some days i'd be like, oh man, this is so stupid.
[00:17:18]  But then it's like oh, I kind of, just if I got out right now, I just get high.
[00:17:21]  I mean, like this, you skipped the whole part about how, like you got arrested, you went to county for about eight months.
[00:17:27]  Oh yeah yeah no, that's what I mean.
[00:17:28]  I was getting to all that.
[00:17:29]  But yeah yeah yeah, I can.
[00:17:30]  We kind of took a little detour yeah yeah, so I mean.
[00:17:32]  So I mean, basically I was with this dude this whole time.
[00:17:40]  Yeah, it just seemed like at this point, you're just like in a tornado of just like yeah, I mean, you're just kind of, you're in a, you're in a, you're just on autopilot.
[00:17:46]  Yeah.
[00:17:46]  Just trying to get drugs.
[00:17:47]  Like not really, you don't care about nobody but yourself.
[00:17:50]  Right.
[00:17:50]  Yeah, you're just trying to get high.
[00:17:52]  Yeah, like from my perspective, too, it's like, you know, it's like you show up to all these like family functions.
[00:18:00]  You know, if you do show up at all, like you show up and then you're like nodding out and like you're dope sick or like you don't want to be there and like you start fighting with everybody.
[00:18:08]  And then it just like everybody just like wants you to be well, but like you're so caught up in your addiction that you don't recognize the help that's around you and like all the love that's surrounding you because you're just looking for that next fix.
[00:18:20]  Yeah.
[00:18:20]  Well, that too.
[00:18:21]  But then it's like, you know, you're fucked up.
[00:18:23]  Yeah.
[00:18:24]  You're not trying to hear fucking shit about it.
[00:18:26]  Yeah.
[00:18:26]  Like you're not.
[00:18:27]  Do you know you're fucked up?
[00:18:28]  Do you really know?
[00:18:29]  Like how much do you know?
[00:18:32]  I.
[00:18:33]  Okay.
[00:18:33]  No.
[00:18:34]  No, it's really fucked up because like my booking photo.
[00:18:38]  Was like it was horrible, but you don't think you look that bad okay, until you see the picture.
[00:18:44]  You see the pictures.
[00:18:45]  Or like like now down the road i'll look back on a lot of pictures and i'm like what the was I even thinking, like you're not thinking it's like a skull with eyeballs.
[00:18:52]  You do not, oh no, you do not.
[00:18:54]  Like I was 190 pounds when I got arrested and I look I look ridiculous, like under 200 pounds really.
[00:19:01]  Yeah yeah, so and it's you don't.
[00:19:04]  You think you look.
[00:19:05]  You think you look normal, like like you're not on drugs.
[00:19:08]  You think you look fucking normal.
[00:19:09]  Right, you always think you're getting away with it and people don't know.
[00:19:11]  Yeah, but like now i'm like god, like just how much I did, like seeing people, like I mean, that's why, like a lot of times I would just be like in my, in my place, like by myself.
[00:19:22]  Yeah, like I don't have to see nobody.
[00:19:23]  I have to talk to anybody.
[00:19:25]  Yeah, because like you can't talk, talk to anybody or you're so fucking coked out of your mind that you can't even look anybody in the eye.
[00:19:30]  You're fucking looking on the ground.
[00:19:34]  You're like going to the store to get cigarettes and you're just like I hope nobody's in line and then you're just like, if somebody's in line, you're just like Kind of like dancing around just looking at the floor.
[00:19:41]  Yeah, you don't want to stand still.
[00:19:43]  Yeah, man.
[00:19:44]  Just so nobody like looks you in the face.
[00:19:46]  Jesus.
[00:19:47]  People know.
[00:19:48]  Yeah, people know.

=== Leaving on an Oldsmobile (15:58) ===

[00:19:49]  Yeah.
[00:19:51]  But I honestly did not think I looked as bad as I did or really you don't yeah, it's it's really weird how that how that kind of happens So were there any actual family functions like this or like in this I would always I would never go you would never go I would never go okay.
[00:20:04]  Oh Luke says there were there's a couple probably a couple but okay for the most part I would always not go Yeah, you know like family vacations my mom be like yeah, yeah.
[00:20:13]  Oh, I'm gonna we're going to Mexico.
[00:20:15]  Yeah, are you gonna go?
[00:20:17]  Yeah, I'll go Jake.
[00:20:18]  Are you really gonna go?
[00:20:20]  Yeah, I'll go.
[00:20:21]  Buy me the ticket.
[00:20:22]  We were like in high school.
[00:20:23]  Yeah.
[00:20:23]  So then the day would come like five in the morning.
[00:20:25]  They're banging on my door.
[00:20:26]  I'm like, fuck you.
[00:20:27]  I'm not coming out pretty much that one time.
[00:20:30]  Yeah.
[00:20:31]  And there was like, and then I had to leave.
[00:20:33]  I think I didn't, I didn't have no place to stay for like a week.
[00:20:36]  So I was pretty much just like trying to scrounge up enough money to get a shitty hotel room.
[00:20:39]  But there was a couple of days where I would just be walking around all night and then like sleeping on the side of somebody's house I knew, but I wouldn't tell them kind of I was there like that.
[00:20:48]  Yeah.
[00:20:49]  Like during the day, I would do it.
[00:20:50]  Yeah.
[00:20:51]  I was.
[00:20:52]  Fuck there was one like Easter trip to I remember where like we all went to Cocoa Beach like you you two like ended up at like the double tree Yeah, yeah North of the Air Force base.
[00:21:01]  Yeah, my mom would always take us and it was like me and Greg at like a holiday inn, Yeah, and Jake was supposed to come and yet we came late.
[00:21:07]  You guys came for like one night.
[00:21:08]  You showed up at like 3 a.m.
[00:21:10]  And then you left at like 7, All over like tearing ass across Florida, that old Oldsmobile that you had just probably fucking getting booted the whole way, because like that was probably like I had been new to doing blow then and I was so fucking geeked out that we decided we ended up leaving.
[00:21:32]  Like I think we left at like 10 o'clock at night.
[00:21:35]  Who's we?
[00:21:36]  Me and a couple of my buddies yeah, I think.
[00:21:40]  I think they all they're in prison right now.
[00:21:43]  But shout out to the homies, yeah, this one of them, we borrowed the tricycle for that Jimmy Hart commercial where he was dressed up like Jigsaw.
[00:21:51]  Really yeah wow, and he tried to pawn my phone.
[00:21:55]  Is that the greaseness?
[00:21:58]  Yeah yeah, Okay.
[00:22:00]  But, um, wow.
[00:22:00]  But yeah, I remember because we left at 10 and don't take that long to get over there.
[00:22:03]  But I was so, I like, I could not fucking see.
[00:22:06]  I was like, I was driving.
[00:22:07]  That's a good two and a half, three hours.
[00:22:09]  Yeah.
[00:22:09]  Oh, yeah.
[00:22:10]  It was like 10 o'clock at night.
[00:22:11]  But then we got there at three and we were driving the whole time.
[00:22:14]  I kept fucking missing the same exit and on the highway.
[00:22:17]  And I had to keep going.
[00:22:18]  I remember just doing like, we probably did like three or four loops, like super long loops on the highway.
[00:22:24]  No idea where I'm going, like super blurry vision to where like you try to look at your phone.
[00:22:28]  You're like, okay, I'll look at that tomorrow.
[00:22:33]  Your Motorola brick phone?
[00:22:34]  Trying to play snakes on your iPhones.
[00:22:38]  Something's out of focus, man.
[00:22:40]  Oh, it's a fucking Nokia back there.
[00:22:43]  Why are they making these phones out of focus like this?
[00:22:45]  I was probably playing snake while I was driving.
[00:22:48]  Yeah, it's bad.
[00:22:52]  I mean, yeah, I fucking totally forgot about that.
[00:22:55]  Yeah, somebody had a water bottle full of vodka, and then mom woke up in the morning.
[00:23:01]  God, we were still in high school, right?
[00:23:04]  I was like 17.
[00:23:05]  We weren't in high school in the same time, were we?
[00:23:06]  No.
[00:23:07]  No, I graduated right when we went there.
[00:23:09]  Yeah, you left.
[00:23:09]  We're probably in like eighth grade.
[00:23:12]  Yeah.
[00:23:13]  So then I remember my mom gets up in the morning and happens to grab this water bottle full of vodka.
[00:23:17]  And she, I don't know how people do this, though.
[00:23:20]  I mean, she chugs it.
[00:23:24]  And then like after three gulps realizes it's vodka.
[00:23:26]  And I'm like, she finishes it.
[00:23:28]  That's why I'm calling bullshit.
[00:23:32]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:23:33]  I mean, you know that when you open the fucking water bottle.
[00:23:35]  Oh, right.
[00:23:36]  Yeah, it's the nose real quick.
[00:23:39]  Especially Luke has a nose just like my mom.
[00:23:41]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:23:42]  You know she smells that.
[00:23:43]  You know she smells it.
[00:23:44]  You smell it through the plastic.
[00:23:46]  Ooh.
[00:23:46]  Bonus.
[00:23:49]  Also, if you're grabbing like a random water bottle that isn't yours, you're totally at fault for anything that's in it if you just go for it.
[00:23:57]  Oh, yeah.
[00:23:57]  Oh, every time I open a water bottle and I don't hear that click, I'm like, not my mom.
[00:24:01]  Oh, yeah.
[00:24:01]  Yeah, see, yeah, man.
[00:24:02]  Yeah, yeah, for sure.
[00:24:04]  So she drinks the whole thing?
[00:24:05]  Yeah, I'm actually kind of blaming the whole story about that on my mom.
[00:24:09]  Thanks, mom.
[00:24:11]  Love you.
[00:24:15]  Holy fuck.
[00:24:16]  Yeah, there's been, there's a lot of, there's a lot of crazy stories.
[00:24:19]  Like, I'm sure I don't even remember.
[00:24:22]  Your parents were fucking super cool back then, though.
[00:24:24]  Yeah, they always let us.
[00:24:26]  They were super laid back.
[00:24:27]  Do you still have the cigarette scar?
[00:24:29]  Yeah, I still got the cigarette scar.
[00:24:31]  Mine shows up in a tiny nowadays, but yeah, it's right.
[00:24:34]  The little circle right there.
[00:24:36]  Yeah, right there.
[00:24:37]  How do you guys feel about when you see a can of Milwaukee's best?
[00:24:40]  Well, I haven't drank one since, probably, to be honest with you.
[00:24:43]  They don't have the gold tops anymore, so I don't get the flashbacks I used to.
[00:24:46]  Yeah, I mean, I was just trying to help you guys out.
[00:24:49]  You really did help us out.
[00:24:50]  I was going down the wrong path.
[00:24:51]  How did that shit go?
[00:24:52]  How did that work?
[00:24:53]  Okay, so I mean, I was fucked up back then, too.
[00:24:56]  Yeah, so.
[00:24:57]  That's pretty much all.
[00:24:57]  Stealing money from his younger brother who's trying to score some beer.
[00:25:00]  No, I did not steal it from you.
[00:25:02]  Yeah, we willingly did.
[00:25:03]  They wanted you to get him.
[00:25:05]  They wanted you to get him.
[00:25:06]  That's capitalism.
[00:25:07]  Yeah, we're like 16, 17, and we want some beer.
[00:25:10]  I had just started an economics class in high school.
[00:25:15]  Yeah, so we asked you for beer, and I don't know.
[00:25:18]  It was you or somebody else.
[00:25:19]  We're like, go ask Jake if he can buy some beer.
[00:25:21]  We got like $20, $30 or whatever.
[00:25:24]  You come back, and he's like, yeah, he'll buy it for us.
[00:25:26]  But, uh, He wants to put a cigarette out on our arm, and that's the only way he'll do it.
[00:25:31]  And we're like, Fuck no.
[00:25:32]  And he's like, Well, then he's not buying the beer.
[00:25:34]  We're like, All right, we'll fucking just do it.
[00:25:37]  Like, how bad could it be to put a cigarette out on your arm?
[00:25:39]  But I remember he comes over and he puts the cigarette out on my arm, and then it like boils up.
[00:25:44]  And then, surprise, then he takes his thumb and he just rips the skin off of it.
[00:25:50]  So it wasn't like you just put it out.
[00:25:52]  That's what I'm thinking, just like, Pssst, and then cool, we're getting some beer.
[00:25:55]  But he singes it and then takes his thumbnail and scrapes the fucking skin off.
[00:26:00]  And it's like, Fuck.
[00:26:01]  Yes, it was like, four of us and then he made eye contact with me as he was doing mine.
[00:26:05]  He's like I own you, but the really up part about it was I was supposed to get you guys a case of Milwaukee's best for 30 bucks.
[00:26:13]  Yeah, I show up probably a 12 pack.
[00:26:16]  Yeah, and it was ice.
[00:26:17]  Yeah, Milwaukee's ice.
[00:26:19]  Yeah, we still got up on that though, for sure, and my parents found the cans in the yard like 10 years later.
[00:26:25]  They were doing renovations.
[00:26:26]  Dude, if our parents ever ripped up that front yard with those palmetto plants, What would they find?
[00:26:33]  Oh man, I don't even know.
[00:26:35]  Like weird shit.
[00:26:38]  I forgot that you left there.
[00:26:39]  Probably Luke's tooth's out there somewhere.
[00:26:48]  I wish they would.
[00:26:49]  I wish they would.
[00:26:50]  I'm tired of looking like an idiot.
[00:26:51]  Oh, he's a character.
[00:26:55]  That's right.
[00:26:56]  Jesus Christ.
[00:26:57]  It's like the McDonald's golden arches.
[00:26:59]  I just tell people, I couldn't afford a gold tooth, so I was like, give me the whitest one you got.
[00:27:03]  A gold one would actually be sick.
[00:27:05]  Oh, yeah, you should have got gold.
[00:27:07]  You could always switch it up in the future.
[00:27:10]  You're due now.
[00:27:11]  You've earned it.
[00:27:13]  It's like a phone plan.
[00:27:14]  It's not permanent.
[00:27:16]  It's still on layaway.
[00:27:18]  You should get one of those diamonds on there.
[00:27:21]  Oh, man.
[00:27:24]  All right.
[00:27:28]  I like how this podcast is just going about Luke's teeth and nose.
[00:27:31]  It circles back to the teeth somehow.
[00:27:35]  Every conversation.
[00:27:37]  It's just nice to be in.
[00:27:38]  Included in the conversation.
[00:27:39]  I don't care what it is.
[00:27:40]  Honestly, it's just really great to be here.
[00:27:44]  And then just growing up with me, you got some pretty thick skin.
[00:27:46]  Yeah, definitely.
[00:27:47]  Ain't gonna hurt me So walk us through the walk us up to the actual arrest how did that how did that what led up to that?
[00:27:54]  Okay, so I got arrested the first yeah, no I got I got I got I got um yeah, I got arrested in 2007 I was while I was I was driving somebody around We picked up this crackhead in St. Pete that owed him money and told us to drive to Seminole That's where the money was that he had at his house.
[00:28:12]  Yeah, so he tells us go to this house in Seminole Pull up.
[00:28:16]  He's like oh, it's a house right there.
[00:28:17]  So we're in the car.
[00:28:18]  We're not even really paying attention to him.
[00:28:19]  Yeah He gets out and just fucking books it.
[00:28:22]  Shit.
[00:28:22]  But we don't know that.
[00:28:24]  So the dude I'm with just fucking, he's like, where's my fucking money?
[00:28:27]  I was like, dude, he left.
[00:28:28]  It's not even his house.
[00:28:30]  The dude fucking is so mad.
[00:28:31]  We're all fucked up too.
[00:28:33]  So he fucking, he gets out.
[00:28:35]  He's yelling, where's my money?
[00:28:36]  And now we're in fucking Seminole.
[00:28:37]  There's fucking kids.
[00:28:38]  I remember kids playing.
[00:28:39]  So parents are fucking watching.
[00:28:41]  People are watching.
[00:28:42]  This is like broad daylight?
[00:28:43]  This is broad fucking daylight in the middle of the afternoon.
[00:28:45]  This dumb motherfucker kicks his fucking door in.
[00:28:48]  Okay.
[00:28:49]  Nobody was fucking home, thank God, because like it probably would have been like a life sentence kind of deal.
[00:28:55]  So he gets in and then he fucking grabs like a few shotguns out of this house.
[00:29:00]  Yeah, yeah, so it's just a random house a random house that he that the dude told him that he lived at but He didn't fucking live there right kind of deal.
[00:29:10]  So he just wanted a ride or something No, he okay, so we picked him up cuz he owed that dude money.
[00:29:16]  Yeah, and he's like oh you got to drive me to Saint Seminole to this house so I can get my money or whatever Which you never trust a crackhead because a crackhead never leaves money anywhere Yeah, I know that now.
[00:29:26]  Yeah, for sure.
[00:29:26]  That's a good lesson to learn.
[00:29:28]  Life advice.
[00:29:28]  Yeah, so it ends up, he ends up turning like, okay, kicking in a door, nobody's home.
[00:29:33]  Cool.
[00:29:33]  Third degree, third degree felony, like lowest felony.
[00:29:37]  You grab guns, you arm yourself.
[00:29:39]  It's armed burglary, which is like a first, first degree felony kind of deal.
[00:29:43]  Right.
[00:29:44]  He brought the guns or the guns were out of the house?
[00:29:45]  No, he stole them out of the house.
[00:29:46]  So, so when in Florida, if you, okay, so say you're like going in somebody's house to go like burglar them.
[00:29:53]  Yeah.
[00:29:53]  You're not home.
[00:29:54]  Yeah.
[00:29:54]  It's, I mean, it's serious, but it's not that fucking serious.
[00:29:57]  Yeah.
[00:29:57]  You.
[00:29:58]  You steal a gun from their house, you go, it's arm burger.
[00:30:00]  You arm yourself, so you're it's arm burger.
[00:30:02]  So it jacks it up going in there with the gun.
[00:30:05]  Um no, I mean, that's actually a little bit worse.
[00:30:08]  It's like home invasion.
[00:30:09]  Home invasion yeah, but it's, I mean it's up there though too.
[00:30:13]  So uh so, whatever we got, we get, we get popped for that.
[00:30:17]  Oh no okay, so we get away.
[00:30:19]  Uh, they get my license plate.
[00:30:22]  We, the neighbors, or yeah, the neighbors get my license plate.
[00:30:25]  Cops come to my house, they talk to me what happened?
[00:30:29]  They tell me to come in and make a statement On this date, I go, okay, I never fucking go.
[00:30:35]  Never do a statement.
[00:30:36]  It's like three months goes by.
[00:30:37]  Yeah.
[00:30:38]  Nothing.
[00:30:38]  I'm like, cool.
[00:30:39]  You're good.
[00:30:40]  I got away.
[00:30:40]  Yeah.
[00:30:41]  Right?
[00:30:42]  No, no, no.
[00:30:42]  I'm fucking cutting trees.
[00:30:46]  I got on with some dude.
[00:30:47]  I don't even know how I got the job, but it was like a tree service.
[00:30:49]  Yeah.
[00:30:50]  So I'm just like grounds dude, whatever.
[00:30:51]  I'm fucked up, whatever.
[00:30:53]  Yeah.
[00:30:53]  So I see these like three cars like pulling off Indian Rocks Road at this house.
[00:30:58]  And I was like, damn, those kind of look like cops.
[00:31:00]  So then they pull in the neighborhood real quick.
[00:31:02]  They turn around.
[00:31:03]  They jump out.
[00:31:05]  And I start running.
[00:31:06]  Oh, shit.
[00:31:06]  I'm fucking.
[00:31:07]  And I got pills on me and I'm fucking eating them.
[00:31:10]  And then so they got their guns drawn on me.
[00:31:11]  No.
[00:31:12]  So I get arrested that day.
[00:31:14]  That was February 25th, 2007.
[00:31:17]  So I had to sit in the county for eight months.
[00:31:20]  I ended up, that was like, that was my first like getting in trouble kind of deal.
[00:31:23]  So what do they charge you with?
[00:31:25]  The home.
[00:31:26]  I got charged with armed burglary.
[00:31:28]  You went in the house too?
[00:31:29]  I didn't go in the house.
[00:31:30]  I was in the car.
[00:31:31]  I mean, that's how it goes.
[00:31:32]  What?
[00:31:32]  Okay, so if I'm like, I'm like, hey, Danny, drive me to the store real quick.
[00:31:36]  Yeah.
[00:31:36]  And I rob it.
[00:31:37]  And you rob it.
[00:31:38]  But you don't even know.
[00:31:39]  And I get back in the car.
[00:31:40]  Yeah.
[00:31:41]  You're fucking, you're getting charged with armed robbery, too.
[00:31:43]  Right.
[00:31:43]  Okay.
[00:31:43]  It's your fucking car.
[00:31:44]  You know what I mean?
[00:31:45]  Yeah, it makes sense.
[00:31:45]  Yeah, it makes sense.
[00:31:47]  Oh, no, no, no.
[00:31:47]  So my parents bail me out a week later, right?
[00:31:51]  They bail me out a week later.
[00:31:53]  You had eight months?
[00:31:54]  No, no, no.
[00:31:55]  I didn't do eight months on that time.
[00:31:56]  I'm sorry.
[00:31:56]  I'm sorry.
[00:31:57]  I got it mixed up.
[00:31:58]  Okay.
[00:31:59]  Because this is a lot of shit show coming up here.
[00:32:02]  That's fair.
[00:32:02]  Okay, so I get arrested for that.
[00:32:05]  A week later, I fucking finally convinced my parents, like, you got to let me out.
[00:32:10]  I'm so fucking, like, dope sick.
[00:32:11]  Like, I'm hurting so bad.
[00:32:13]  Everything fucking sucks.
[00:32:14]  And then, so I get out, fucking right back on it.
[00:32:18]  Let's go hit the doctor.
[00:32:19]  Let's go do this and that.
[00:32:20]  So I'm riding around this fucking other motherfucker.
[00:32:23]  We got a shit ton of pills, Coke, and we have a ton of money on us.
[00:32:27]  And I'm driving this Cadillac.
[00:32:30]  I know I have to get gas.
[00:32:31]  Yeah.
[00:32:33]  I keep fucking forgetting to get gas.
[00:32:35]  Fucking run out of gas at Park Boulevard and Summerville Boulevard.
[00:32:39]  Yeah.
[00:32:40]  Where that mobile is.
[00:32:40]  Yep.
[00:32:41]  So this fucking scrawny, coked-out motherfucker can't push a Cadillac.
[00:32:45]  Right.
[00:32:46]  Okay.
[00:32:46]  So I have to get out and push it.
[00:32:48]  He's got a suspended license.
[00:32:50]  So there's a, but there's a cop in the mobile parking lot.
[00:32:53]  He goes, you boys need some help?
[00:32:54]  No, I got it.
[00:32:56]  So we push the car in and he's like, oh, because we look, we look fucked.
[00:33:02]  We look out of our fucking minds.
[00:33:03]  He's like, he's like, you know something's going on.
[00:33:06]  So he's like, well, can I see your IDs?
[00:33:07]  And I'm like, cool.
[00:33:08]  Yeah, here.
[00:33:09]  And then the dude gives him his and he runs the guy.
[00:33:13]  Okay.
[00:33:14]  So the car's not actually running, but he's driving the car.
[00:33:17]  And you're pushing it.
[00:33:18]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[00:33:18]  Right, right.
[00:33:19]  So apparently it goes back to, it goes, it goes back to the.
[00:33:22]  State Of Florida versus Fred Flintstone LAW.
[00:33:24]  I was just saying okay, so.
[00:33:27]  But I mean okay, early in the day we, we bought like these huge box of needles and we're just shooting up all day and throwing the ones behind us okay, in the back seat of the car.
[00:33:38]  So there's probably like 15 needles laying in the back of the car on the floor.
[00:33:42]  So and there's he.
[00:33:44]  He threw coke under my seat, I had pills on me and so I ended up getting arrested that day.
[00:33:52]  So why?
[00:33:52]  Because he runs dude's id.
[00:33:53]  Well, he runs.
[00:33:54]  Oh yeah, i'm sorry, he runs the guy's id And since it's suspended, he's got probable causes to search my car.
[00:33:59]  Right.
[00:34:00]  Because he's driving.
[00:34:01]  Yeah.
[00:34:01]  Like, no questions about it.
[00:34:02]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:34:03]  So, and that motherfucker threw the Coke under my seat, too.
[00:34:08]  So I got all the charges that day.
[00:34:09]  That was another guy.
[00:34:10]  He got arrested like 20 times.
[00:34:12]  Never did more than a couple days in jail.
[00:34:14]  That's a little fishy.
[00:34:15]  Yeah, no, I know.
[00:34:16]  So that happens.
[00:34:18]  So that's a week later.
[00:34:20]  So now I'm back in.
[00:34:22]  Ain't nobody fucking bailing me out now.
[00:34:24]  So I had to ride it out for like eight months.
[00:34:26]  I was charged with possession of Coke, possession of oxycodone on that one.
[00:34:30]  So then.
[00:34:31]  And that was one of the first times I went and saw him was through the video screen.
[00:34:36]  Video chat, yeah.
[00:34:38]  At the jail on 49th.
[00:34:39]  It was like one of the first steps towards our relationship actually being something.
[00:34:44]  It was like me and my mom rolling up there and talking to him on that.
[00:34:47]  You sound pretty cute.
[00:34:49]  Thank you.
[00:34:49]  Yeah, you're welcome.
[00:34:50]  I know.
[00:34:50]  Is that voice taking you back to those times?
[00:34:52]  And we could take that back to the cell with you and tell your boys about it?
[00:34:54]  Yeah, sure is.
[00:34:55]  I saw a tear.
[00:34:58]  No, it was cool.
[00:34:58]  I mean, I appreciate all that shit.
[00:35:00]  Yeah.
[00:35:01]  Yeah, dude.
[00:35:02]  Yeah, so I fucking ride it out for eight months.
[00:35:04]  Oh, no, no, no.
[00:35:05]  Okay, so it goes real fucked up.
[00:35:06]  So you get a rain.
[00:35:08]  You get a rain like a day or two later, depending on when you get arrested.
[00:35:11]  And then your first court date, like something like mine's probably, I'm probably in there for like two months before I get to the actual court date where I stand in front of a judge.
[00:35:20]  I was talking to my parents.
[00:35:21]  I'm like, they're like, do you want to get a lawyer?
[00:35:23]  I go, no, let me back up.
[00:35:27]  That was the other time I got over.
[00:35:28]  That was the next time I got over.
[00:35:29]  We'll get there.
[00:35:30]  Okay, so we're getting there.
[00:35:31]  So I ended up going eight months.
[00:35:33]  They ended up giving me probation.
[00:35:35]  I forgot how many, how long it was.
[00:35:37]  Yeah.
[00:35:38]  So I get out on probation.
[00:35:41]  And the day we got out, my mom took him straight to like Outback Steakhouse for like fucking like surfing turf and blooming onions.
[00:35:47]  Yeah.

=== Probation and Pharmacy Dots (16:47) ===

[00:35:48]  And he's still just like fucking strung out in there just like saying like, I fucking hate everybody.
[00:35:51]  This fucking sucks.
[00:35:52]  And then like, you remember that?
[00:35:54]  No, no, there's a lot of stuff like I don't remember.
[00:35:56]  Uh-huh.
[00:35:57]  And I remember very vividly taking you to Checkers too on the one by Goose's that's closed down now.
[00:36:03]  Yeah.
[00:36:04]  Around here.
[00:36:05]  And like we're just like in line ordering spicy chickens and you're still just like wanting to get fucked up.
[00:36:08]  And you're just like, this fucking sucks.
[00:36:10]  You know, it wasn't even my fault.
[00:36:11]  It was fucking bullshit.
[00:36:12]  And you're just like, You keep like repeating that same story about like how it wasn't your fault and how like you didn't deserve to be in there for that long and how fucked up it was Well, yeah, yeah, you you go through that layout cuz I'm fucked up, but I didn't fucking do that shit right that next shit I mean that was that was because of that I mean, that's just kind of how you think you know what I mean, but all the fucking like a chain reaction all the bad shit you done.
[00:36:35]  I mean that leads you to that point, right?
[00:36:37]  I mean you fucking when shit like that happens you totally deserve it because you're hanging out with those people right if you're not You know what I'm talking about?
[00:36:45]  Right.
[00:36:46]  These are like, these are fucking scumbags.
[00:36:48]  These aren't like dudes that got their shit together and doing bad shit.
[00:36:51]  These are like total fucking pieces of shit.
[00:36:53]  Yeah.
[00:36:53]  I mean, that's what I was at that time.
[00:36:56]  Yeah.
[00:36:56]  Like I didn't give a fuck about nobody.
[00:36:58]  So, yeah, a lot of that shit I don't remember because I was so fucking high.
[00:37:02]  Like, yeah.
[00:37:03]  Just kind of shit like that.
[00:37:04]  And then, so we keep going, like fast forward kind of just, yeah.
[00:37:09]  Just keep doing the same shit.
[00:37:11]  Get some, oh, no.
[00:37:12]  I think I tried to, I tried to, I went to the doctor and I tried to just sell them.
[00:37:17]  Because I just had this thing about fucking working.
[00:37:20]  I did not like working.
[00:37:21]  Yeah.
[00:37:22]  Or like being told what to do kind of deal, which has been pretty rough for all the shit I've fucking done.
[00:37:31]  So, yeah, just fast forward, just kind of fell right back to, like, I never went to jail.
[00:37:37]  Like, nothing ever happened.
[00:37:39]  I'm still getting fucked up just the same as I was.
[00:37:41]  Same vicious cycle.
[00:37:42]  Tried smoking crack.
[00:37:43]  I shot up crack a lot more than I smoked.
[00:37:45]  What was that like?
[00:37:47]  I don't know.
[00:37:47]  I just shot, I smoked it like once or twice.
[00:37:49]  Oh, okay.
[00:37:49]  I didn't really like smoking it because I I was like well, i'm not a crackhead, i'm just gonna shoot crack.
[00:37:53]  Well, i'm not smoking it.
[00:38:00]  But it's funny you're just saying it.
[00:38:01]  Like when you're that up you just try to be like well, it's hard because, like a lot of people, like normal people, are like well, at least i'm not, at least i'm not as bad as they are, but like when you're doing everything, it's like you just gotta, you're grasping onto, like you're like hanging off a cliff hanging, hanging onto like a piece of grass.
[00:38:18]  At least it's not meth yeah, And that is like probably the only, that is the only drug I've never done like knowingly, like never bought meth, never bought meth, never bought meth.
[00:38:30]  I might have done it in ecstasy, It might have been in some code, but I never I have never knowing I have never really I've never knowingly done meth, but I did not inhale when I smoked it I didn't know they shoved it up my ass Story about my prison pocket We're getting there.
[00:38:49]  Whoa.
[00:38:49]  What the fuck?
[00:38:50]  What's the armpit?
[00:38:51]  Is that a holy scratch and sniff What's it smell like Luke?
[00:38:57]  Mahoffers.
[00:39:00]  Slim Jims.
[00:39:02]  And if you've ever been to Mahoffers, you know what that smells like.
[00:39:04]  It's like Slim Jims and Stray Cats.
[00:39:06]  Oh.
[00:39:07]  Had a little bit of bush light.
[00:39:10]  That photo with me with the pineapple.
[00:39:12]  Oh, yeah.
[00:39:12]  It was going to be the Mahoffer clone.
[00:39:14]  It was going to smell like cat piss Marlboros and bush.
[00:39:16]  Oh, man.
[00:39:17]  Nice.
[00:39:19]  I'd wear it.
[00:39:21]  Yeah, so where are we going?
[00:39:23]  Yeah, so it just, the eight months I was out after I got out on probation was just same shit.
[00:39:29]  Yeah.
[00:39:29]  Viraling.
[00:39:31]  So I got arrested that first time on February 25th, 2017.
[00:39:37]  On February 25th, 2018, I had no idea it was one year to the date.
[00:39:44]  I had coke, but I didn't do it that night for some reason, which was I never went to bed with drugs ever.
[00:39:50]  You always finished them?
[00:39:51]  I always finished it.
[00:39:52]  I could not keep it.
[00:39:54]  I had to go until it was gone.
[00:39:57]  But it was weird.
[00:39:57]  That morning, I woke up super early and I'm like, oh, cool.
[00:40:01]  I'm gonna shoot up cocaine all day today.
[00:40:03]  So, but I thought you had, yeah, well, because you wake up with the bag, you're like, yeah, but it's like, I was, I didn't even have like a regular, like, because when you shoot drugs, you use like an insulin needle.
[00:40:13]  Okay.
[00:40:13]  It's really small.
[00:40:14]  Okay.
[00:40:14]  Okay.
[00:40:15]  Uh, I only thing I had was like what you shoot steroids with, like a big fucking, what's it?
[00:40:20]  Thick needle.
[00:40:20]  It's thicker.
[00:40:21]  It's, it's, you're talking about people that, okay, so, okay, so, whatever the doctor, like, like an insulin, like an insulin needle when you're shooting up regular drugs.
[00:40:30]  I mean, it's like that long.
[00:40:33]  And it's smaller than a fucking sewing needle.
[00:40:35]  Yeah.
[00:40:36]  Okay.
[00:40:37]  A steroid needle is like that fucking long.
[00:40:41]  And it's pretty girthy.
[00:40:42]  It's pretty wide.
[00:40:43]  It's really girthy.
[00:40:44]  Like one of those McDonald's straws.
[00:40:45]  It's long and girthy.
[00:40:46]  That wide?
[00:40:47]  I don't have a lot of experience with that.
[00:40:48]  Do you take it from here, Luke?
[00:40:51]  Do you take that for mom or dad?
[00:40:53]  Are you talking about girth?
[00:40:54]  I thought they called you the tuna can.
[00:41:03]  Yo, tuna can James up in here.
[00:41:07]  Yeah, so, um, yeah, so, I mean, that's fucked.
[00:41:09]  It's just like your arms are fucked.
[00:41:12]  I was wearing, like, long sleeves.
[00:41:14]  I never got, like, track marks, but I would just stick them wherever.
[00:41:18]  But, like, you're just kind of just, like, got polka dots kind of all over.
[00:41:21]  It was pretty obvious.
[00:41:21]  You could see it pretty well.
[00:41:22]  Yeah, so I would wear, like, long sleeves.
[00:41:24]  And then, um he was always wearing sweaters.
[00:41:26]  Yeah.
[00:41:27]  And I fucked.
[00:41:27]  I never wear sweaters.
[00:41:28]  Right.
[00:41:28]  In Florida.
[00:41:29]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:41:31]  So, um I fucking forgot where we're going with this.
[00:41:35]  We were leading up to the second arrest.
[00:41:37]  Yeah, you woke up with a.
[00:41:38]  I'm going to wake up and shoot my blood.
[00:41:40]  When I woke up, yeah, I mean, that's years and years of drug abuse right there.
[00:41:43]  Thanks, bud.
[00:41:43]  That's what he's here for.
[00:41:48]  So that day, I mean, I was hanging out with this chick, just like total Pinellas Park, like homecoming queen.
[00:41:57]  Damn.
[00:41:57]  And we were riding around, just kind of shooting up drugs.
[00:42:01]  And I remember we were in the Seminole Mall fucking bathroom.
[00:42:04]  And she's like, you got to do more.
[00:42:05]  I was like, no.
[00:42:06]  I'm like, I got to go to the bathroom and like shoot up in the bathroom.
[00:42:10]  And then something happened.
[00:42:12]  I dropped her off at somebody's house.
[00:42:15]  And then it just kind of hit me all at once.
[00:42:18]  Kind of like, what are you doing?
[00:42:19]  What are you doing with your life?
[00:42:21]  Like, this isn't you.
[00:42:22]  Because like people that know me know I'm not, I mean, I'm fucking crazy, but I'm not like that fucking insane, like with the drugs and all that.
[00:42:29]  Well, they knew I was fucked up with the drugs, but they didn't think I'd really do anything too crazy.
[00:42:35]  So I just kind of I don't know even know what made me think about it.
[00:42:38]  I was just like I want to go I want to kill myself, but I'm gonna do it by Running in a pharmacy and OD on the pills Kind of deal just kind of OD in the pharmacy you just had the idea at Seminole Mall that you wanted to that you this was after I dropped the girl off I was driving around I was out of drugs too, which is oh you're out so you're on like the fuck Yeah, I was out I was out of coke so like when you're coming down off I Mean it's it's a shitty feeling and then yeah It just sucks.
[00:43:07]  So I'm like, oh, I'm going to run in this pharmacy that I used to go to all the time.
[00:43:12]  Just the same shit.
[00:43:14]  You could be like, hey, could you just front me like 10 of them until I get my script done in a couple days?
[00:43:19]  And then they would do it.
[00:43:21]  They were all pieces of shit too.
[00:43:22]  I didn't really feel bad about it.
[00:43:28]  But I was shooting up.
[00:43:29]  We didn't have any water bottles in the car and you need water and stuff to shoot up.
[00:43:32]  So I had an old thing of fruit punch in my car.
[00:43:35]  Why do you need water?
[00:43:37]  When you mix it to shoot up drugs.
[00:43:39]  So you mix the cocaine with water?
[00:43:41]  Yeah.
[00:43:41]  And you put it in the needle.
[00:43:42]  Yeah, you draw it up.
[00:43:43]  That's what makes it.
[00:43:44]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:43:45]  Okay.
[00:43:45]  That's how you can shoot it.
[00:43:46]  So I had a fruit punch rolling around the car.
[00:43:49]  I filled the needle up with fruit punch and I ran it in the pharmacy.
[00:43:52]  What the fuck?
[00:43:54]  Yeah, it was fucked, dude.
[00:43:56]  So wait, okay, you filled it up with fruit punch.
[00:43:57]  Why?
[00:43:58]  Because that's all you had.
[00:44:00]  You thought it was blood.
[00:44:01]  No, no, no to make it look like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was like his weapon going in there with it Okay, but like how fucked up I got my name tattooed him I was my first tattoo when I was 16 I remember that I ripped my fucking I think I ripped a sleeve.
[00:44:15]  That's how fucked up was makes no fucking sense I like ripped one of my sleeves off and put it over my Jake tattoo They won't know who I am now But I was in a do it.
[00:44:23]  I remember just standing in the pharmacy and I couldn't pull the trigger.
[00:44:26]  I couldn't do it and then I was about to walk out I was about to turn around and just leave And then something just like totally fucking came over him.
[00:44:34]  He was like, no, motherfucker, we're doing this.
[00:44:37]  And I was, it was kind of a blur from then.
[00:44:40]  I remember these two chicks in there.
[00:44:41]  They were freaked out.
[00:44:43]  Like the guy that owned it.
[00:44:45]  They're like, it's in the back.
[00:44:47]  It's in the back.
[00:44:48]  So wait, wait, wait.
[00:44:49]  You're standing in the pharmacy.
[00:44:50]  Like where?
[00:44:51]  Are you like, oh, like in the, it's a small shithole.
[00:44:54]  I mean, it's just kind of like, that's probably the only thing they ever filled prescription-wise was like opiates and shit like that.
[00:45:00]  You know what I mean?
[00:45:01]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:45:02]  Kind of deal like that.
[00:45:03]  It was back in the day when they were pumping them all out like that.
[00:45:06]  So I was just standing there just kind of like, because they would have like band-aids and like kind of weird shit like that.
[00:45:12]  It was kind of like the top shelf, the food mart right by our house.
[00:45:16]  Oh, yeah.
[00:45:16]  Nothing in it.
[00:45:17]  Just kind of like.
[00:45:18]  They got some Bengay in there.
[00:45:19]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:45:20]  Just like that.
[00:45:21]  Just to make it look like a real pharmacy.
[00:45:23]  Yeah, some gum.
[00:45:24]  So I was kind of like walking around waiting for people to leave.
[00:45:27]  And then that's when that happened to where I was almost like walking out.
[00:45:31]  And then I just remember turning and be like.
[00:45:35]  Where was this needle the whole time?
[00:45:37]  I probably had it.
[00:45:39]  I'm not sure 100%.
[00:45:41]  I probably had like in my pocket or something like that.
[00:45:44]  So then I pulled it out.
[00:45:47]  I said, where are they at?
[00:45:48]  And they're like, they're in the back.
[00:45:50]  They're all in the back.
[00:45:51]  And I remember going back in the pharmacy, in the little room where they keep all the drugs kind of locked up.
[00:45:58]  So I didn't know where the fuck they were at.
[00:46:01]  And it's just like, you're just like that shit going on that two at the same time.
[00:46:06]  You can't think so.
[00:46:07]  But it was just like shitty little fucking Home Depot drawers that were like locked drawers.
[00:46:11]  So I'm just ripping.
[00:46:13]  The fronts of the drawers off with like, with my hands kind of, and then I finally i'm like looking for the pills, like the holy grail, like I find the drawer with them all in there, the fountain of youth, yeah.
[00:46:23]  So then uh, they have one of these big big huge, like mortar, mortar and pistols kind of, how they compound the drugs like you grind them powder and yeah yeah, like that.
[00:46:33]  So I remember taking like three, three bottles of the Roxy's, which is like a hundred in each bottle, and just dumping them all into this big thing and just mashing them off, just like get some water.
[00:46:48]  I kind of wish there was a video of it because it was so fucking ridiculous what I did.
[00:46:52]  You wish there was a video?
[00:46:53]  Oh, I kind of do now just to kind of see it.
[00:46:55]  I would love to see it.
[00:46:56]  What is your plan with the needle?
[00:46:57]  You're telling them that you're robbing them or you're not killing them?
[00:47:01]  They know the deal.
[00:47:02]  I just told them where it is.
[00:47:03]  Where's it at?
[00:47:04]  Where's it at?
[00:47:04]  Right.
[00:47:04]  And instantly they're like.
[00:47:06]  You don't even have to ask where you just say, where is it?
[00:47:09]  That's all they pump out of there.
[00:47:10]  And they know that.
[00:47:11]  So they're like, it's in the back.
[00:47:12]  Roxy.
[00:47:13]  So is it playing to rob them and get out of there?
[00:47:15]  No, my plan was to go in and kill myself.
[00:47:17]  Okay.
[00:47:17]  Kind of.
[00:47:18]  So I get back there and I'm crushing all these fucking pills up.
[00:47:21]  I dump water in there.
[00:47:23]  I'm trying to fucking this little ass needle, trying to like it's like wish, is there still Kool-Aid in the needle?
[00:47:29]  No, I pushed okay yeah yeah, that's why because I drank that first.
[00:47:33]  That's why I'm getting thirsty in here oh god, that's so hot.
[00:47:38]  That's why.
[00:47:39]  But that's why because I had the one needle and if it was blood it would have totally like clogged up.
[00:47:44]  Yeah, kind of deal yeah yeah yeah, because that's that's another problem.
[00:47:46]  When you're a fucking junkie, you guys wouldn't know about that.
[00:47:49]  What, just your needles clogging if there's blood or something in there.
[00:47:52]  Oh really yeah yeah so um, so I'm back there and I'm trying to draw this, these fucking whatever the fuck I just made at into the needle.
[00:47:59]  But soup, but you, I couldn't get it in, I couldn't get it out, was too thick, or it's um okay, so when you, when you're shooting up shit you, you put it in whatever, like a spoon or a cap or whatever, but you take your cigarette filter, you pull it out right right right, to filter it, ball it up yeah, and then that's how you filters it, to keep all the keep, all the good shit in there.
[00:48:18]  You know what I mean.
[00:48:20]  So uh, so you're going no filter, you're just no filter.
[00:48:23]  I'm just trying to and I'm getting mad.
[00:48:25]  I'm getting mad at first because I'm like, Why isn't this fucking, I just want to just end this right now.
[00:48:29]  But then, I don't know, something came over him.
[00:48:31]  Like, I kind of snapped out of it to where I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?
[00:48:36]  And I was like, oh, and it's just kind of, you come to and you're like, fuck.
[00:48:39]  Oh, man, I fucked up really fucking bad.
[00:48:41]  And so I didn't know this at the time, but there was a, I think there was a .38, a gun, a handgun in the back, in the back room where I was at.
[00:48:49]  I was locked in.
[00:48:51]  They locked you in there.
[00:48:52]  They were trying to call me, tell me to like, I think the people, the dude that owned the pharmacy, he was like, Jake, he knew me.
[00:48:58]  Oh, really?
[00:48:58]  You know what I mean?
[00:48:59]  So he's like, tell me to come out.
[00:49:01]  I'm just like, I don't even know why the fuck I was answering the phone.
[00:49:04]  It was kind of weird.
[00:49:04]  They're called?
[00:49:05]  I never even thought about that.
[00:49:07]  Yeah, like the landlord.
[00:49:08]  They called you?
[00:49:08]  They called, like, I remember answering the phone and shit.
[00:49:11]  In the background?
[00:49:12]  No, it was in this back room.
[00:49:14]  I was in this back room where they kept all their, like, and there was a phone back there.
[00:49:18]  There was a phone back there, and it kept ringing.
[00:49:20]  I don't know why I answered it.
[00:49:21]  I kept answering it, though.
[00:49:23]  So I'm like, he's telling me to come out, and then, so there was a handgun in the back.
[00:49:28]  So then they called the cops.
[00:49:29]  They told him there's a handgun in the back.
[00:49:30]  But I didn't know about it, so SWAT team came.
[00:49:33]  And it didn't take that long for me.
[00:49:35]  So at this point, you had given up on trying to kill yourself?
[00:49:38]  Yeah, no, I kind of snapped out of it.
[00:49:40]  Just kind of like, oh, man, what the fuck are you doing, dude?
[00:49:42]  Yeah, yeah.
[00:49:43]  You don't eat none of them or anything.
[00:49:45]  You're just like, no.
[00:49:46]  You're just waiting for the cops to come.
[00:49:47]  No.
[00:49:47]  So, well, they come, and the SWAT team comes, and it's banging on the door, like, come out.
[00:49:53]  I'm telling them, fuck you, I'm not coming out.
[00:49:56]  Because now I'm just like, oh, man, what the fuck am I going to do?
[00:49:58]  And then I'm like, well, I'm going to be dope sick as fuck, so.
[00:50:02]  I hid pills to where I could bring him in.
[00:50:04]  Yeah.
[00:50:05]  Don't really want to talk about how I brought him in.
[00:50:07]  No details.
[00:50:07]  I don't want to fuck up anybody else's chance to bring shit into jail.
[00:50:11]  You're doing your shit.
[00:50:12]  Take care of everybody in jail.
[00:50:13]  Jail sucks.
[00:50:14]  Yeah.
[00:50:15]  And drugs make you feel a little better.
[00:50:16]  But anyways.
[00:50:18]  You found a way to sneak him in.
[00:50:19]  I snuck him in.
[00:50:20]  How many of them?
[00:50:22]  I probably had like, there had to have been like 20 of them.
[00:50:25]  Okay.
[00:50:25]  So that probably lasted me like two days.
[00:50:27]  So this is before they broke down the door or whatever?
[00:50:29]  No, they didn't actually break down the door.
[00:50:30]  Okay.
[00:50:31]  I know we're jumping ahead a little bit.
[00:50:32]  But yeah, yeah.
[00:50:32]  So they're banging on the door telling me to come out.
[00:50:34]  I'm telling them I'm not coming out.
[00:50:36]  And then.
[00:50:37]  After I figure out how to bring them in and I didn't bring them in my fucking safety deposit box in the jail purse.
[00:50:43]  Yeah, in the prison pocket.
[00:50:45]  Didn't do that.
[00:50:46]  That's what everybody's probably thinking right now.
[00:50:48]  Yeah, for sure.
[00:50:49]  I mean, but I would if I had to.
[00:50:50]  Fuck that shit.
[00:50:51]  Got a lot of space up there.
[00:50:52]  Yeah, so finally after I get situated how I want to do it, I got what I need.
[00:50:57]  I'm like, fuck it.
[00:50:58]  I'm like, all right, I'm coming out.
[00:50:59]  So I tell, I bang on the door back and I'm like, I'm coming out because I'm like, I'm probably going to get fucking shot.
[00:51:06]  So I remember opening this back door and it's right by the back exit door to like the shop.
[00:51:12]  And there's got to be like 10 or 15 red dots on this fucking back door.
[00:51:17]  So when I open the door, it swings this way.
[00:51:19]  And the exit door is here.
[00:51:21]  So I just see all these fucking red dots on this back exit.
[00:51:23]  Oh, my God.
[00:51:25]  Yeah.
[00:51:25]  So I'm like, so I just out of the doorway, I just kind of stick my hands out.
[00:51:30]  After you saw the red dots.
[00:51:32]  And I saw the red dots.
[00:51:33]  I go, I go like this.
[00:51:34]  I'm like, I'm coming out.
[00:51:36]  And then, um, so I just try to go like, I'm like, all right, what, let me see what I'm doing in the movies or something like that.
[00:51:41]  Yeah.
[00:51:42]  So I just kind of like, I'm coming out because you don't know what to fucking do.
[00:51:44]  There's just so much going on.
[00:51:46]  It's like, kind of don't want to get shot.
[00:51:48]  I mean, I tried to kill myself, but I didn't want to do it.
[00:51:50]  So definitely don't want to like, yeah, right here.
[00:51:53]  So, uh, I finally get out.
[00:51:55]  And I I had sweatpants on too, so I turned out, I turned around, put my hands on my head and then um, they bum rushed me.
[00:52:03]  I mean, my pants are around my knees, my little coke dick's flopping around everywhere on the floor, but it's just like what is a coke dick?
[00:52:13]  Oh, it's like.
[00:52:13]  Uh, you ever seen one of those old school door stoppers?
[00:52:16]  Yeah, it's pretty like that.
[00:52:18]  Okay, it's like that, but smaller.
[00:52:23]  So uh, yeah.
[00:52:24]  So then i'm sitting in the back of the cop car, like in front of this pharmacy.
[00:52:28]  I remember BAY NEWS NINE coming there And you're just sitting there in the fucking back of a cop car, no tent, just like fishbowl.

=== Crushing Roxy in Jail Bathroom (03:19) ===

[00:52:35]  And then all you're thinking, I'm like, all I'm thinking about is like, God damn, I'm like, am I going to ever get out again?
[00:52:41]  Because I was 24 when that happened.
[00:52:45]  I was 18.
[00:52:46]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[00:52:47]  19.
[00:52:48]  No, you were 20, buddy.
[00:52:49]  That was 20, buddy.
[00:52:50]  That was 20.
[00:52:51]  So you're sitting in the back of this cop car in front of the fucking pharmacy, people all around, news there, and you're like, cool.
[00:52:59]  I feel like just a total piece of shit.
[00:53:00]  How long did they keep you in the car?
[00:53:02]  I was probably out front of the pharmacy for like two or three hours because they got to do like all this shit and then they fucking probably take you.
[00:53:07]  But I was sitting in the car kind of like away from everybody.
[00:53:10]  But like everybody's walking by you looking in and it's just kind of like, fuck you, motherfucker.
[00:53:15]  And then James Hine comes up and he's like, how do you feel about what just happened?
[00:53:18]  How do you feel about your performance in there?
[00:53:20]  Just leave me alone.
[00:53:21]  I'm trying to kill myself.
[00:53:24]  Oh my God.
[00:53:25]  So we're going to jail and then like that's all that's kind of running through my mind is like how long I'm going to be gone for kind of deal.
[00:53:32]  And then.
[00:53:33]  And then I was like, oh, dude, you know what's so fucked, too?
[00:53:35]  So we get in a book.
[00:53:36]  I get booked.
[00:53:37]  Well, we go in and you get, like, strip searched.
[00:53:40]  Kind of depends on what.
[00:53:41]  Cavity search?
[00:53:43]  No, they don't cavity search you.
[00:53:45]  Okay.
[00:53:46]  If they feel like you've stuck something in something, they'll put you in a room to where there's, like, no running water until you, like, shit or something like that.
[00:53:56]  So they know.
[00:53:56]  Yeah, they'll put you in confinement, like, by yourself.
[00:53:58]  Because you ate something.
[00:53:59]  Yeah, so, like, that, like that.
[00:54:01]  But, I mean, you get butt-ass naked.
[00:54:03]  You didn't request the cavity search?
[00:54:05]  I did.
[00:54:06]  They told me to fuck off.
[00:54:08]  Here's a bologna sandwich and some apple juice instead.
[00:54:13]  Yeah, but it's, I mean, it's, I mean, but now, like, it's, it's kind of like I've been, I've been strip searched so much, like, I don't really don't give a fuck.
[00:54:20]  I would kind of actually battle.
[00:54:21]  Well, we'll get to that later, too.
[00:54:22]  I would battle.
[00:54:23]  We're getting there.
[00:54:24]  If you were the guard and I was me, we would both try to make each other more uncomfortable as possible.
[00:54:31]  So, like, what would you do?
[00:54:33]  Well, here, let me, let me get with this.
[00:54:34]  Let me get, let me fish this story.
[00:54:37]  So I, we get booked.
[00:54:38]  I get strip searched.
[00:54:39]  Um, you get your clothes back and then, um, you're in booking.
[00:54:43]  You're in central booking where they do your fingerprints and your photos.
[00:54:45]  Yeah.
[00:54:45]  Yeah.
[00:54:46]  I mean, Pinellas County jail is so fucked.
[00:54:49]  Fuck you, you fucking cocksuckers.
[00:54:51]  Thank you.
[00:54:52]  And then, um, so you're probably, I was probably down there for like 20 hours and you're in this room, the concrete room, no windows and just fluorescent lights.
[00:55:00]  Like you do not know what fucking time it is, but just on the clock on the wall.
[00:55:04]  Right.
[00:55:04]  But if it says eight, you're like, well, I don't know if that's eight in the morning or eight at night.
[00:55:07]  You're right.
[00:55:08]  So there's a there's a one bathroom and there's a guard standing right outside of it that you can go use But it's like there's no stalls no nothing and then I was like well, I'm kind of getting dope sick So I was like I wonder if I can I fucking crushed up a fucking Roxy in this bathroom and Thank God nobody walked in when I was doing it and fucking started it while I was in bookings bathroom.
[00:55:31]  Damn.
[00:55:31]  Oh my I just did I didn't give a fuck dude like right and they got the door with the little window.
[00:55:36]  What are you gonna what are you gonna add five more years on to my sentence?
[00:55:39]  Yeah, yeah, run it run it together.
[00:55:41]  I mean, it's the same shit whatever Yeah.
[00:55:43]  Sack it up, bitch.
[00:55:44]  Yeah.
[00:55:45]  So, yeah.
[00:55:46]  Then you finally go to jail.
[00:55:49]  I fucking, I knew a bunch of people I went in the cell with because I fucking just left there fucking four months ago.

=== Suffering at Detox Center (14:31) ===

[00:55:55]  Wow.
[00:55:55]  You know what I mean?
[00:55:58]  So then you got to deal with that.
[00:55:59]  It's like, it's like a fucking walk of shame, dude.
[00:56:02]  I was high for two days, feeling good.
[00:56:04]  Because you had that stash that you brought in?
[00:56:06]  I didn't even call anybody until I ran out of pills.
[00:56:10]  Because, I mean, it was super embarrassing for me, too.
[00:56:13]  Like after everything kind of wore off with the drugs.
[00:56:16]  And then.
[00:56:16]  And you knew that it was probably all over the news too, right?
[00:56:19]  Oh, yeah.
[00:56:20]  So it would come on.
[00:56:21]  I was in the pod.
[00:56:22]  They got TVs in these pods.
[00:56:24]  I just forgot my other memory.
[00:56:26]  I go, oh, man, I hope nobody fucking recognizes me.
[00:56:30]  I swear, dude.
[00:56:31]  I was on the news for like three fucking days, man.
[00:56:33]  Yeah.
[00:56:34]  It was a slow news week in Seminole.
[00:56:36]  Yeah.
[00:56:37]  You heard about it too.
[00:56:37]  Yeah.
[00:56:38]  I heard about it too.
[00:56:38]  Yeah, I was working construction and I was like riding in a van to Sarasota in the back of a van with a bunch of other Mexican dudes.
[00:56:47]  And it was like six in the morning and it was on Bubba the Love Sponge.
[00:56:50]  They said Jake James.
[00:56:52]  I'm like, no way.
[00:56:54]  I text Luke and he's like, yep.
[00:56:56]  Yep.
[00:56:56]  Oh, that sucks.
[00:56:57]  And mom called me.
[00:56:58]  Well, no, no, no, because Bubba would do that a lot about the news.
[00:57:01]  And I've listened to Bubba since I loved it.
[00:57:03]  Like, fucking, like, religiously.
[00:57:06]  Yeah.
[00:57:07]  Shout out to Ned.
[00:57:08]  Yeah.
[00:57:09]  Shout out to Ned.
[00:57:10]  Only Ned is real.
[00:57:11]  Yeah, he is.
[00:57:11]  He's the only real person.
[00:57:13]  Yeah.
[00:57:14]  Yeah, so then it's like, oh, Bubba's talking shit.
[00:57:16]  Well, fuck you, you fat piece of shit.
[00:57:18]  Yeah.
[00:57:19]  Hey, look.
[00:57:20]  Look at you now Bubba, i'm on the radio and you ain't.
[00:57:23]  Yeah, right now.
[00:57:30]  Oh, double fisted Blue Jay on the backside Mcgillicuddy yeah so um yeah, just dealing with that, being dope sick like yeah, I would trade my whole trays for like juice, your whole, what my whole.
[00:57:46]  Like you get fed like three times a day okay, shitty meals.
[00:57:49]  Yeah, I could not eat anything.
[00:57:51]  I would for like a week.
[00:57:53]  I would just trade, I would just drink juice.
[00:57:54]  I would just trade my trays for like people's juice.
[00:57:57]  You probably didn't even have an appetite huh no, you're like.
[00:57:59]  You're just like shitting your brains out, not hungry diarrhea cold, hot.
[00:58:05]  Just it's dude.
[00:58:07]  It's just like you're a little.
[00:58:08]  It's like you're a little baby yeah, just curled up in a corner.
[00:58:11]  How long did that last for?
[00:58:13]  Uh, it took like it took like a month and I did that twice and like that's how up it was like the first time I went, like went through that yeah, and then to get out and like do the same.
[00:58:24]  It's like That just shows you like I'm either really fucked up or that shit's really fucked up.
[00:58:29]  So the only time you went through like a true detox was like when you're in prison because I remember mom and dad put you through some like like medically induced Yeah, I don't know what the fuck I don't know what that was either.
[00:58:39]  Yeah, but it was put you in a coma for a couple of days and then you detox and you wake up Yeah, it was weird, but you don't feel that suffering But wow you have to feel that suffering dude.
[00:58:49]  Oh, hell yeah, you.
[00:58:50]  Because like, oh, that's when I tried, that's when I was selling them for like two months and then I started doing them again.
[00:58:56]  I totally forgot about that.
[00:58:57]  That's a really important thing, I think, to hit on is like, if you don't feel that suffering, like when you're trapped in that darkness that you've created around yourself, then you don't really know the pain that you have to go through to feel it.
[00:59:10]  So you go through it like just sleepwalking pretty much.
[00:59:15]  And then you have no reason not to do it again because like, oh, well, whatever.
[00:59:19]  I can just like numb myself to numbing myself.
[00:59:21]  And it's just like this continuation.
[00:59:23]  of blocking out things that you have to go through to progress as a person.
[00:59:27]  Yeah, no, you need pain to grow.
[00:59:29]  I mean, if you don't feel pain.
[00:59:30]  You got to suffer the consequences.
[00:59:32]  You got to suffer the consequences.
[00:59:32]  You don't learn.
[00:59:34]  It's just like the whole fucking touching the stove thing, dude.
[00:59:37]  You got to feel pain to grow and get past shit.
[00:59:40]  But this is how fucked up this place was.
[00:59:43]  Before we went, you have your meeting with these people.
[00:59:45]  It's just all a fucking scam.
[00:59:50]  They gave me a shit ton of fucking Oxycontin 80s.
[00:59:54]  before because I was like, oh, I'm sick.
[00:59:56]  And they're like, oh, we'll write you a script.
[00:59:57]  And then like in jail?
[00:59:59]  No, no, no.
[00:59:59]  This was like at this detox place.
[01:00:01]  This was, I forgot even when that was.
[01:00:03]  They prescribed you Adderall, too.
[01:00:05]  Well, yeah.
[01:00:05]  So you go through this detox thing.
[01:00:07]  So it's like a day or whatever.
[01:00:10]  So you wake up and you're not dope sick.
[01:00:12]  I don't even know what the fuck it is.
[01:00:13]  They give you some opiate blockers or whatever.
[01:00:16]  And they claim that if you take opiates again, you'll die.
[01:00:20]  Oh, no.
[01:00:20]  That's when Suboxone started coming out.
[01:00:22]  Because they put me on Suboxone.
[01:00:23]  Suboxone or something.
[01:00:24]  What's that?
[01:00:26]  It's an opiate blocker, but people take them to you still get high on them.
[01:00:29]  Yeah, yeah It's supposed to be to help you get off but if you take like opiate pills they don't work.
[01:00:35]  Yeah, so like you're taking Suboxone If you take like if you do heroin or fucking oxys you're not gonna get high from it Okay kind of deal so it kind of but it makes you from not being dope sick to kind of hmm You're still fucking not feeling good.
[01:00:50]  Yeah, it's a weird thing.
[01:00:51]  Yeah, so I go through this detox and When I get out they prescribe me he prescribes me Adderall Valium He pursued a combo.
[01:01:01]  No, no, no.
[01:01:02]  He didn't give me an opiate.
[01:01:03]  It was like four or five different other pills.
[01:01:06]  But with me, I'm like, I fucking love pills.
[01:01:09]  Right.
[01:01:09]  So you're like, oh, this is amazing.
[01:01:11]  Yeah.
[01:01:11]  So then, I mean, but it didn't work.
[01:01:14]  I think that lasted like a couple weeks or something like that.
[01:01:17]  And I was pretty much, oh, no.
[01:01:19]  Because they told me, they told me don't do Coke because you'll probably die.
[01:01:23]  I think I did Coke like four days after that.
[01:01:26]  And a lot of fucking Coke.
[01:01:28]  I was up in the fucking mutt room like, Just a bunch of coke all night.
[01:01:32]  I remember one time mom went on like the family computer and like the latest Google search was symptoms of coke overdose.
[01:01:42]  She told you that?
[01:01:43]  Yeah.
[01:01:44]  And she showed me the needle that like she had found.
[01:01:47]  And I was like, do you think Jake's doing drugs again?
[01:01:49]  I was like, well, it's not mine.
[01:01:54]  Can I phone a friend?
[01:01:55]  Maybe.
[01:01:56]  Well, Jake might have diabetes.
[01:02:01]  What's his blood sugar like?
[01:02:02]  Yeah, I was fucked, man.
[01:02:05]  I mean, that's like what I'm saying.
[01:02:06]  There's so many fucking things that's happened that I probably, I don't remember.
[01:02:11]  I just knew I would need an old kickstart.
[01:02:13]  Yeah.
[01:02:13]  Oh, my God.
[01:02:14]  They make it very easy to be an addict in the state of Florida.
[01:02:17]  They do.
[01:02:17]  And, you know, like when you love somebody, you'll do anything you can to make it not feel pain.
[01:02:24]  Yeah.
[01:02:24]  Everybody's just like, and, you know, it's like, it gets to the point where it's like you're enabling this person, but you don't realize it because, like, you don't know what this person wants.
[01:02:33]  And anything they respond to positively, they'll give to them because they're actually interacting with you in a way that isn't just like, fuck you.
[01:02:40]  Can I get money?
[01:02:41]  Fuck you.
[01:02:41]  I don't need you in my life.
[01:02:42]  I hate you.
[01:02:43]  Everything I'm doing is because of you.
[01:02:45]  And, you know, it pains you to see somebody suffering like that and you never truly understand the darkness that they feel.
[01:02:54]  And you just want them to do well.
[01:02:56]  And the best thing that you can do is just let them go through it and just be there when they need you.
[01:03:00]  Yeah.
[01:03:01]  Yeah.
[01:03:02]  I always think, when I think about how suffering makes people better, is like they say, like the native Indians would take their newborn babies and they would dunk them in the ice cold river when they're like literally like.
[01:03:15]  Months old, to build up their immune system.
[01:03:17]  Speaking of good immune systems, I probably have not been sick in five years, I think.
[01:03:22]  I think everybody should go to prison for at least six years.
[01:03:25]  Is that true?
[01:03:25]  I have.
[01:03:26]  I do not get sick, like if I catch a cold.
[01:03:29]  I'll feel it for like two hours and I'll get tired and I'm like I'll cough up something green.
[01:03:34]  I'm good to go, that's it.
[01:03:35]  It's just like a single cough.
[01:03:36]  So I could probably.
[01:03:37]  I could probably if you took my blood right now.
[01:03:39]  It's probably the the cure for AIDS.
[01:03:44]  And why you?
[01:03:45]  Just because you built up that immune system, just being So fucking dirty.
[01:03:49]  Yeah.
[01:03:49]  They're fucking shitholes, dude.
[01:03:51]  Like, yeah.
[01:03:52]  Wow.
[01:03:53]  Yeah.
[01:03:53]  Like, I do not get sick.
[01:03:56]  Jails and public transportation are the best way to build your immune system.
[01:03:59]  Yeah.
[01:04:00]  No self-respecting mosquito would fucking bite you.
[01:04:02]  Not at all.
[01:04:04]  So then, so, all right, you go to the county jail.
[01:04:08]  Yeah.
[01:04:09]  For those, for that, for the big charge.
[01:04:10]  Oh, yeah, for that charge.
[01:04:11]  So, so on the, on the big charge.
[01:04:13]  So I'm in county.
[01:04:15]  They, they actually, can I take a piss real quick?
[01:04:23]  Well, these like, uh, what are those, like, keyboard warriors?
[01:04:26]  These, like, these, like, 40-year-old dudes living in their fucking mom's basement was, like, giving her a hard time because she put out, like, neon.
[01:04:33]  You know, like, Celtic Frost put out the neon, like, with Cold Lake.
[01:04:36]  Are we recording?
[01:04:37]  Yeah.
[01:04:38]  Yeah.
[01:04:38]  I'd like to go on the record and say, if you're involved with metal sucks at all in any way, shape, or form, you can fuck off and die because you're not doing anything to progress heavy metal.
[01:04:46]  Why?
[01:04:46]  Why is that?
[01:04:47]  Because they shit on anybody who's trying to do anything original, unique, and fun, like anna who's making all these badass t-shirts who's going out of her way to Keep these legacies alive and just because these big bands aren't profiting directly off of them then that means nobody can.
[01:05:05]  Yeah, well, shout out what's your shout out to forever street metal bitch forever street is that her Instagram tag?
[01:05:11]  Yeah, it's her Instagram She she puts out shit a few times a year just follow her.
[01:05:17]  She has rad shit Different.
[01:05:20]  What was the website?
[01:05:22]  It's that you said The Instagram tag.
[01:05:24]  Oh, I said fuck metal sucks.
[01:05:26]  Metal sucks.com.
[01:05:28]  They can't even afford a dot com.
[01:05:29]  They were the first ones to post the cannibal corpse video we did.
[01:05:32]  Yeah, they posted a comic video back then.
[01:05:33]  Oh, I remember that.
[01:05:34]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:05:36]  Which one was that?
[01:05:36]  They were standing in front of Janice Landing.
[01:05:38]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:05:39]  We filmed them, yeah.
[01:05:39]  Nick was in it.
[01:05:40]  Yeah, Nick was in it.
[01:05:41]  Oh, where was I?
[01:05:43]  Prison, probably.
[01:05:44]  Fucking jail.
[01:05:45]  That was a lot.
[01:05:45]  Well, I'm not surprised.
[01:05:50]  I don't remember.
[01:05:51]  I was either really fucked up or in prison.
[01:05:54]  I really only remember the last five years of my life.
[01:05:58]  Well, the way I like to think about it is I spent my first 24 years on retirement.
[01:06:02]  Oh, no, actually 30.
[01:06:04]  And then, so I got to pretty much work till I die now.
[01:06:07]  Yeah.
[01:06:10]  Oh, fuck.
[01:06:11]  So, yeah, now you're in fucking prison.
[01:06:13]  I mean, so when did you find out how long you're going to stay?
[01:06:16]  You're in the county now.
[01:06:19]  So I get a reign.
[01:06:19]  This is what I was talking about earlier.
[01:06:21]  Get a reign.
[01:06:22]  I think I get a court date in like two months.
[01:06:24]  You have a lawyer?
[01:06:25]  No.
[01:06:25]  Okay.
[01:06:26]  This is the part I was telling about.
[01:06:27]  So my mom was like do you want a lawyer?
[01:06:30]  Okay.
[01:06:31]  And I was like, no, they got me like dead to right.
[01:06:34]  Oh, I'm guilty.
[01:06:35]  There's no way.
[01:06:36]  There's no fighting it.
[01:06:38]  So I was like, I'll just stick with a public defender.
[01:06:40]  Like, don't waste the money because it's a, it's like a, like the higher your felony is, like pretty much that's how much the lawyer is going to charge you that much more.
[01:06:49]  Yeah.
[01:06:49]  Right.
[01:06:49]  Kind of deal.
[01:06:50]  So I go to court the first day and usually like, it's usually nothing.
[01:06:56]  It's usually a waste of fucking money.
[01:06:57]  They just set you another date.
[01:06:58]  It's, yeah, pretty much.
[01:06:59]  So usually do that for like a few times before they come at you with an offer, like where the state will come with you, like plead guilty today and get this many years or do whatever probation and all that shit.
[01:07:10]  So the first day I walk into court.
[01:07:13]  I even told my parents, I was like, I even told everybody don't come because it's going to be a waste of time.
[01:07:17]  So I go in there and they're like, all right, Jake James, state of Florida versus Jake James.
[01:07:23]  List all my charges.
[01:07:26]  The state sits there and, I mean, yeah, it looks super bad on fucking paper.
[01:07:30]  But they were like, they're going back to when I'm 16 for a smoking of tobacco citation.
[01:07:35]  Wow.
[01:07:35]  And like, they're just trying to make me look like I fucking kill babies.
[01:07:39]  Right, they paint you as bad as they can.
[01:07:41]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:07:43]  So judge is like, all right, state, what do you want to do?
[01:07:45]  Let's set this for trial next month on blah, blah, blah date.
[01:07:49]  Judge goes, we already have a trial set for the afternoon.
[01:07:52]  State goes, oh, that's fine.
[01:07:54]  For the afternoon of that day?
[01:07:55]  For the day that they scheduled the it's like a pretrial.
[01:07:59]  This was like, okay, so they scheduled the trial for they told me to take 15 years today, or if I don't, they're scheduling trial for next month on this date.
[01:08:10]  So that date, the judge says, we already have a trial set in the afternoon.
[01:08:13]  State goes, oh, don't worry, this will take like a half an hour.
[01:08:16]  And when he loses, we're giving him 35 years.
[01:08:21]  So I'm like, okay.
[01:08:24]  Oh, this sucks.
[01:08:25]  Well, I guess we're sending it for trial.
[01:08:28]  So I went back to the pod so I could use the phone.
[01:08:31]  And I called my mom.
[01:08:33]  I was like, we got to get a lawyer.
[01:08:34]  I'm going to be gone forever.
[01:08:36]  You know what I mean?
[01:08:37]  Because I'm 24 years old.
[01:08:38]  I think 30 years old is a senior citizen.
[01:08:41]  Right, right.
[01:08:42]  You know what I mean?
[01:08:42]  When you're younger.
[01:08:43]  Yeah, when you're 24.
[01:08:44]  Yeah, hell yeah.
[01:08:45]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:08:46]  I was like, Jesus fucking Christ, dude.
[01:08:48]  So we get the lawyer and it was 60 by the time I get out of here.
[01:08:51]  Yeah.
[01:08:51]  So it was a, I mean, it was a good lawyer.
[01:08:53]  So we kept pushing it back.
[01:08:55]  They kept, they kept wanting me to take 15 years like every month kind of when I went to court.
[01:09:00]  And I mean, just, just hearing the 15 years for so long.
[01:09:05]  Yeah.
[01:09:06]  But there was a lot of shit that happened in between.
[01:09:08]  I, I just, I've tried probably, okay.
[01:09:11]  So the, the max part of the jail in Pinellas is so like overcrowded that you sleep on these boats, like new guys that would come in and you sleep on these boats.
[01:09:19]  And they don't fucking take your beds, all you fucking tough guys out there like that.
[01:09:23]  You just fucking do whatever.
[01:09:24]  So I'm out in this day room.
[01:09:26]  So it's like, it's all cells at night.
[01:09:28]  So it's supposed to be everybody's in their cell at night from, I think, like from 11 to 5 or something like that at night.
[01:09:34]  But I'm in the day room.
[01:09:35]  There's no room for anybody.
[01:09:37]  There's people out in the day room.
[01:09:38]  And I'm walking around.
[01:09:39]  It's like, it's probably like 1, 2 in the morning.
[01:09:42]  I'm kind of walking around.
[01:09:43]  I'm kind of pissed.
[01:09:44]  The guards tell me to lay down.
[01:09:46]  I keep telling them, fuck you.
[01:09:49]  I was like, come in here and make me lay down pretty much, so they take me out of that cell and they put me in a bigger one and I do the same thing.
[01:09:59]  I'm like well, i'm not going in the cell.
[01:10:00]  You, i'm like, come in here and make me go in the cell, yeah so.
[01:10:04]  But then I remember uh, one of my buddies I grew up with over in Largo he uh, he goes, Jake, get your dumbass in this cell.
[01:10:14]  So like I grew up with him, like in middle school and like that.
[01:10:18]  So i'm like, all right, cool.
[01:10:21]  So uh, another time like they, because they just with you man, like They're pieces of shit, dude.
[01:10:25]  They're, you know what I mean?

=== Seven Years of Confinement (15:23) ===

[01:10:26]  They just, they live, some of them live to fuck with you.
[01:10:29]  Yeah.
[01:10:29]  You know what I mean?
[01:10:30]  So, so like, it's just like, you kind of just have enough, dude.
[01:10:33]  And it's like, you're so stressed out.
[01:10:35]  Like, I'm going to get, am I going to get like, I'm not, it's like, it's hard, dude.
[01:10:39]  It's hard to be like, okay, yeah.
[01:10:41]  I'm gonna here.
[01:10:42]  I'm gonna do 15 years.
[01:10:43]  Yeah, let me sign this fucking piece of paper.
[01:10:44]  Yeah, I mean cool.
[01:10:46]  It's hard It's like it's really fucked especially when you're younger.
[01:10:49]  You know what I mean?
[01:10:50]  So this one time I tried to fight a cop He did he was he was acting like he wanted a fight and then I tried and then he's kind of backed off hit the panic button They they locked weapons don't they?
[01:11:03]  Oh, no, they only have mace.
[01:11:04]  They have mason taser guns.
[01:11:06]  So we'd act really fucking tough until they pull the tasers out, where they throw the ones that shoot you with the prongs.
[01:11:14]  You're like okay, where do you want me lay down?
[01:11:15]  Yeah, you know what I mean.
[01:11:16]  Kind of like that.
[01:11:17]  And then um, just so like that, I would go to confinement, get out, and then this one time uh, they were because you have lockdown at shift change, so like in max there was, there was two shifts, it was 12 hour shifts, so before a shift, what do you mean?
[01:11:32]  What do you okay?
[01:11:32]  So when you say max, what does that mean?
[01:11:34]  Uh the, the maximum security part of the, the jail, okay, kind of deal.
[01:11:38]  So you weren't like in a prison.
[01:11:39]  No, this was, this was still county jail.
[01:11:41]  Okay, got you.
[01:11:42]  So you're, You're in county jail until you get sentenced.
[01:11:45]  Got it.
[01:11:46]  Kind of deal.
[01:11:46]  So you're super fucking guilty until you're proven guilty.
[01:11:49]  Yeah, exactly.
[01:11:50]  Yeah, you know what I mean?
[01:11:50]  Like, they take everything away.
[01:11:52]  Like, innocent until proven guilty is fucking bullshit.
[01:11:55]  Oh, for sure.
[01:11:55]  Yeah.
[01:11:56]  They take, they strip everything fucking away from you.
[01:11:59]  And then so I just, that's another thing.
[01:12:01]  And they treat you like fucking animals.
[01:12:03]  So that's how fucking motherfuckers act in there.
[01:12:06]  Right.
[01:12:06]  Like, fucking just, like, just stripped down like fucking cavemen.
[01:12:10]  So shift change happens.
[01:12:12]  They're supposed to count.
[01:12:13]  They count, make sure everybody's still there that's supposed to be there.
[01:12:15]  And then they leave.
[01:12:16]  But they closed the cells and then that shut all the TVs, everything off.
[01:12:20]  So you can't do shit.
[01:12:21]  And it's usually like 30, 40 minutes somewhere in there in the county.
[01:12:27]  But these cocksuckers kept us in there for like two hours.
[01:12:29]  So I fucking get everybody fucking riled up.
[01:12:32]  We're fucking, we're throwing like, because it's all, I'm trying to explain how these fucking, they're small fucking rooms, like a day room.
[01:12:39]  And then you got the cells on the back.
[01:12:41]  So, and it's all like plexiglass windows so they can see you.
[01:12:44]  So we start hanging sheets like over the bars.
[01:12:48]  To where they can't see us and we're throwing.
[01:12:50]  We're just throwing like wet paper uh, toilet paper, fucking wads at the windows, we're just like chunking and they get me and like two other dudes for like inciting a riot.
[01:13:01]  So they put me on this shit called it's administrative segregation, to where they could put you in confinement for however long they want.
[01:13:09]  Yeah, with no, because usually if you get in trouble you get it.
[01:13:12]  It's like a fucking principal referral yeah, and then you go to the, you go to the principal and they tell you okay well, whatever you do, you get 30 days down in, down in fucking uh confinement, But with this shit, it's however long they fucking want to keep you down there.
[01:13:25]  Wow.
[01:13:26]  So you were in like a solitary by yourself?
[01:13:29]  Well, the way the county jail was, it was, it's like another big pod, but you're like, you're in a cell by yourself.
[01:13:36]  Right.
[01:13:37]  So it's just like you and a bunch of other fucking pieces of shit just like you fucking trying to fucking pass the time.
[01:13:42]  And it sucks.
[01:13:43]  So they had, they brought me down and these fucking, these motherfuckers hated me.
[01:13:47]  They, they handcuffed me.
[01:13:49]  They put, like they put all your shit in a trash bag.
[01:13:51]  Like all your, fucking commissary, where the fuck you have these?
[01:13:55]  Got they?
[01:13:55]  They squirted like all my shampoo all over all my shit in the bag, just kind of like shook it up.
[01:14:01]  They uh, the guy walks me down and the cells open and there's fucking shit all over this fucking cell.
[01:14:07]  And I go, you're not fucking putting me in there.
[01:14:09]  And he goes oh, we'll send somebody down here to clean it up.
[01:14:12]  It's like I, I know that's a fucking lie you, you're not gonna fucking trick me, i'm not going to that cell.
[01:14:17]  So I got my feet like against the fucking doorway of the cell.
[01:14:20]  Yeah, pushing back at him, i'm not going fucking in here dude, like i'm ready to fucking, I'm not going in this fucking cell.
[01:14:27]  You're going to fight for me.
[01:14:28]  And he's trying to get me to come in there just so he'd throw me in a fucking cell full of shit.
[01:14:33]  Right.
[01:14:33]  Literal shit?
[01:14:34]  Like, there's shit all over the walls, all over everything.
[01:14:37]  That because there's a lot of crazy motherfuckers in there right, and that's a whole nother fucking story.
[01:14:42]  That's so fucking gross, dude.
[01:14:43]  Yeah so um, so he finally gives in.
[01:14:46]  It puts me in a normal cell.
[01:14:48]  So I mean, as you're just like chilling in this fucking confinement, you're like okay, this is cool.
[01:14:53]  You're pretty much just like jerking off and doing push-ups, that's it.
[01:14:55]  That's it, that's it.
[01:14:57]  And uh, do some lunges.
[01:14:58]  For how long?
[01:15:00]  Uh yeah, how long do they give you in there?
[01:15:01]  I was, I was in there well, that was like towards the end, right before I got sent.
[01:15:05]  So I think I did a little over a month in there okay, and then um, But that I mean that shit's gross.
[01:15:10]  So like they fucking whip up shit with piss in a cup and like, if you're fucking the dude like next to you, doesn't he gets mad at you for some fucking reason.
[01:15:19]  Because I remember one day he was, I saw somebody doing that and then I saw him see him throw this cup in this guy's cell, like because you can, kind of, because it's kind of like an L kind of deal, so like this guy in this cell got mad at this guy.
[01:15:33]  Yeah, yeah, I seen him throw it like that and I was like that's weird.
[01:15:36]  Why would he throw coffee in his cell?
[01:15:37]  All of a sudden you like fucking you smell it.
[01:15:41]  It hits you.
[01:15:42]  Oh yeah.
[01:15:42]  And then they send these motherfuckers over like mop buckets like other inmates are called trustees.
[01:15:46]  Yeah.
[01:15:47]  Like the fucking good dudes.
[01:15:48]  Yeah.
[01:15:48]  Whatever.
[01:15:49]  So and then they just dump like hot soapy water.
[01:15:53]  So the fucking shitty soap water just runs into everybody's cells.
[01:15:59]  So you're just like hot.
[01:16:00]  Oh my God.
[01:16:00]  You're just like on top of your bunk just like man I should have made way better life choices.
[01:16:05]  And like that was probably the first time in my life where I was like You know what?
[01:16:09]  Now I know exactly what my parents were talking about.
[01:16:12]  You know what I mean?
[01:16:13]  At that moment, it all sunk in.
[01:16:16]  So my last court.
[01:16:17]  A river of shitty soap.
[01:16:19]  So I talked to my lawyer.
[01:16:21]  I was supposed to go get sentenced this day.
[01:16:23]  So when you have a court date, they get you up at like three in the morning.
[01:16:26]  It's this big fucking ordeal because the jail, you go underground and then you go into the courthouse kind of deal.
[01:16:33]  So I'm like ready to go, ready to get sentenced.
[01:16:36]  And then like nothing.
[01:16:37]  I'm like, God, I'm like. this is fucking weird.
[01:16:39]  I even woke up fucking at like three o'clock in the morning.
[01:16:41]  Yeah, because I was kind of excited to get the fuck out of county jail because that's all you hear in county jail.
[01:16:46]  Prison is way fucking better.
[01:16:47]  Oh, everybody wants to just go get out of it.
[01:16:49]  It totally is, though.
[01:16:50]  Really?
[01:16:51]  Yeah, I mean, if I had to do the two, I would totally do prison.
[01:16:54]  Yeah, if I had to pick, if I had to do one or the other, I would definitely do prison.
[01:16:58]  But yeah, so I'm sitting there and it's like 11 o'clock.
[01:17:00]  I'm like, what the fuck?
[01:17:01]  And you're in confinement, so you can't call anybody.
[01:17:04]  You can't talk to anybody.
[01:17:05]  And finally they come and They put me in a room with my lawyer and he's like, what the fuck did you do?
[01:17:13]  I go, what?
[01:17:13]  I didn't do nothing.
[01:17:14]  I've just been fucking sitting down in confinement, like rotting away.
[01:17:16]  Yeah.
[01:17:17]  So he's like, man, yeah, but some guard, like, I guess they must have put me on some, like, weird, like, like, they had me, like, kind of red flag to where I'm a threat to where they had to, like, bring me out by myself, kind of like, not like Hannibal Lecter, like, not like that, but, like, I had to be moved by myself.
[01:17:36]  That's really cool.
[01:17:37]  Yeah.
[01:17:37]  No, I know.
[01:17:37]  It was like, yeah, but I looked.
[01:17:38]  Did they wheel you out on this thing?
[01:17:40]  Yeah, but I looked fucking insane when I got.
[01:17:42]  Fucking sentence.
[01:17:43]  I bet I know I did.
[01:17:44]  I was just like I haven't shaved, like hair's all crazy.
[01:17:47]  And then um, my lawyer's like well, this is the best we can do.
[01:17:51]  We uh, they went down to seven years and I was like let's do it because, like you, just you've here 35 years, then 15 years for so long.
[01:18:02]  Right that you're like that's our whole game.
[01:18:06]  They call it the boo, like everybody, all the inmates they call it the boo game.
[01:18:09]  Yeah, because that's like they, 35 years, 15 years, 15 years, and they're in there for months, Like almost a whole year of hearing you're getting 15 years and then they finally like seven years.
[01:18:19]  Damn, that sounds fucking awesome.
[01:18:21]  Yeah.
[01:18:21]  And that's what they do, man.
[01:18:22]  It's like a fucking gift wrap because it's like a present on Christmas morning.
[01:18:25]  Yeah.
[01:18:25]  And it's, I mean, it's, it's fucked.
[01:18:27]  I mean, that's, it's all a game, man.
[01:18:28]  This shit's all a joke.
[01:18:31]  Yeah.
[01:18:32]  They beat you down psychologically and they hit those numbers.
[01:18:34]  That's what it is, man.
[01:18:35]  And then it was like, you know, like 35, 35, 35, 15, 15, 15, 15.
[01:18:40]  And then they hit you with that, which is still way too high.
[01:18:43]  And they shouldn't even give you that in the first place.
[01:18:44]  And they should like actually address the problems that got you in there in the first place.
[01:18:48]  Yeah.
[01:18:49]  The people rubbing shit on the walls in there, they don't need to be in a prison with all these people who are in there for like drug abuses.
[01:18:54]  Those people need attention.
[01:18:56]  They need help to understand why they're doing that.
[01:18:58]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[01:18:59]  But they jail, they jail like people like that, like that don't need to be fucking jailed.
[01:19:04]  But a lot of people, I don't know.
[01:19:06]  It's fucked.
[01:19:06]  You should just kill child molesters and let everything else is fine.
[01:19:11]  Legalize everything else.
[01:19:12]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:19:12]  That's fine.
[01:19:14]  You know what I mean?
[01:19:14]  So after you got the seven years, what happened next?
[01:19:16]  So you wait.
[01:19:18]  So I had to go back to confinement, and then I'm just, I'm actually really fucking excited now.
[01:19:23]  It sucks I got seven years.
[01:19:24]  You need to go somewhere new.
[01:19:25]  I can go.
[01:19:26]  It's a new chapter.
[01:19:26]  It's a new chapter.
[01:19:27]  I can get, I finally know what I got to do.
[01:19:30]  I can fucking, I can walk around outside.
[01:19:33]  I can fucking smoke cigarettes.
[01:19:35]  I mean, that's all I'm worried about.
[01:19:36]  I'm like, I can fucking smoke cigarettes and walk around outside.
[01:19:38]  Yeah, sign me up.
[01:19:39]  Yeah, let's go because you're fucking, you're inside all the time.
[01:19:42]  There's no windows or outside time in county jail.
[01:19:44]  I mean, there's windows like this big, but I didn't like looking outside because it was so close to home that it kind of, it like hurt looking outside.
[01:19:53]  Yeah.
[01:19:53]  You know what I mean?
[01:19:54]  Right.
[01:19:54]  You know that 49th Street.
[01:19:56]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:19:56]  It's like right there.
[01:19:57]  Yeah, so I mean, that kind of sucks.
[01:19:59]  And then you can't, you get a little more freedom being up the road like that than being in the county jail.
[01:20:07]  So I remember, so you go to these, uh, So it usually takes like three, four days because they do a couple runs a week to go to prison.
[01:20:16]  So I went to Orlando.
[01:20:19]  And if you have like any self-conscious anything about you, that shit is gone, dude.
[01:20:27]  Stripped up.
[01:20:27]  So you fucking, you're in the van, you go to Orlando.
[01:20:31]  They're just pretty much beating you down, treating you like a piece of shit, taking away everything you are.
[01:20:36]  Just you fucking, you're outside with a chain link fence.
[01:20:40]  in a horseshoe and there's probably like, I don't know, I'd say 30 to 40 dudes standing there butt-ass naked.
[01:20:48]  Just like, what's up, guy?
[01:20:49]  You know what I mean?
[01:20:50]  Really?
[01:20:50]  And like, everybody's kind of been up all night because, you know, the nights they do prison runs.
[01:20:54]  Yeah.
[01:20:55]  And you're kind of like, I hope this is it or I don't, right.
[01:20:57]  This is going to fucking suck.
[01:20:59]  Because I had no idea.
[01:21:00]  I mean, you fucking watch TV shows and shit like that.
[01:21:02]  You don't know what to expect.
[01:21:03]  Right.
[01:21:04]  Kind of deal.
[01:21:04]  And I didn't really know anybody.
[01:21:05]  My uncle was the only one I went to prison with, but I didn't really fucking talk to him about it.
[01:21:09]  Because he found god and all that good right.
[01:21:12]  The only thing you know about prison is, don't drop the soap.
[01:21:15]  But oh, beyond that yeah, yeah.
[01:21:17]  So you, you get in this thing and they, they just, they just call you all kinds of names, treat you like piece of you, can't do nothing, really is I mean you can't, you could, but it's pointless dude, because they'll beat the out of you.
[01:21:29]  You know what I mean?
[01:21:30]  Like they'll handcuff you and just beat the out of you.
[01:21:33]  So you do that.
[01:21:34]  You get naked, you get strip searched and you just, you just wait and you, with your property, You got to get your fucking.
[01:21:41]  Everybody gets their fucking head and face shaved with like the same fucking, nasty fucking clippers.
[01:21:48]  You get your ID, Just fucking.
[01:21:50]  Everybody's calling you an idiot.
[01:21:51]  Go through medical.
[01:21:52]  You do all this fucking shit.
[01:21:53]  And then I remember finally get to go to my fucking dorm and I was just like I remember laying in my bunk on the top bunk and just looking at the fucking ceiling being like Oh, All right, here we go.
[01:22:05]  Here's the start.
[01:22:06]  Yeah, so it's like seven years I had eight months in so I figured with the gain time, I kind of, I was betting on my gain time.
[01:22:14]  I never went by the whole thing.
[01:22:15]  So I was like, all right, we got lower five years to go.
[01:22:20]  I'm like, okay.
[01:22:21]  So they call, I remember I just made it in time for like, for chow.
[01:22:25]  And I'm like, I don't want to go.
[01:22:26]  I'm like, I was just kind of like, just laid down.
[01:22:29]  And like this dude, this dude I ended up running into at a couple camps I was at.
[01:22:34]  He's like, come on, motherfucker.
[01:22:35]  They got yard bird tonight.
[01:22:36]  I'm like, fuck y'all.
[01:22:38]  Yard bird?
[01:22:38]  Yard bird.
[01:22:39]  It's, uh, they had chicken like a couple times a year or something like that, right?
[01:22:43]  So I'm like, oh, wait, what?
[01:22:45]  Chicken.
[01:22:45]  So when I first went in, they had, they had actually like, they had real food.
[01:22:48]  Like, cause you go from county.
[01:22:50]  County is just like, it's like Alpo, man.
[01:22:53]  It's so bad.
[01:22:54]  What is that?
[01:22:54]  Food and like dog food.
[01:22:56]  Okay.
[01:22:57]  It's so fucking bad.
[01:22:58]  So by the time I get in, it was like six months.
[01:23:02]  Of like real food like food was actually it was decent.
[01:23:05]  You know what I mean?
[01:23:06]  Yeah And then like every time a fucking new governor comes in I Fuck those boys.
[01:23:11]  It's not a fucking country club.
[01:23:13]  So we got all soy products All real soy products everything was fucking soy Wow, yeah, cuz it was cheaper But dudes aren't supposed to eat soy cuz it's a fucking it's an estrogen right right gives you like tits Well, yeah, yeah, I mean I got two of those things thanks for the doc They took one out.
[01:23:31]  They told me they are nice They told me to go fuck myself on the second one, but Yeah.
[01:23:36]  Wow.
[01:23:37]  Yeah.
[01:23:37]  So, yeah, I mean, it's just miserable.
[01:23:40]  They just make it miserable.
[01:23:42]  Kind of just bullshit, man.
[01:23:45]  That's why, I don't know, we would just do like the dumbest shit.
[01:23:48]  I mean, I just kind of would act like I am now.
[01:23:51]  Did you get all your tattoos when you were in there?
[01:23:53]  Not all of them.
[01:23:54]  I probably had like seven.
[01:23:56]  You're completely covered.
[01:23:57]  I probably had like seven or eight when I went in.
[01:24:00]  But there's not a lot to do.
[01:24:01]  I played poker all the time.
[01:24:03]  I read.
[01:24:03]  I worked out.
[01:24:04]  And I got tattoos.
[01:24:06]  Okay.
[01:24:06]  Just kind of kept to myself at what point did you start like getting close to Luke?
[01:24:11]  It was a couple years in probably right it was a couple years in What made you want to start talking to him?
[01:24:17]  What made you want to?
[01:24:18]  Yeah, fucking Jesus Christ Now that he's gone.
[01:24:22]  I miss him.
[01:24:22]  I what you want you can't have is that what it was?
[01:24:24]  Yeah, right.
[01:24:25]  Well, I mean, it's your brother.
[01:24:26]  I need to prepare for for this.
[01:24:28]  You guys want a shotgun of beer shotgun is it that time?
[01:24:31]  Let's do it.
[01:24:32]  Oh fuck.
[01:24:33]  It's a good segue And then we'll have to touch on the shotgun legend that you are as well.
[01:24:43]  I heard that you don't even spill a drop.
[01:24:45]  Oh, fuck.
[01:24:45]  I just cracked it.
[01:24:47]  You fucking dumbass.
[01:24:48]  You better choke that one and then shotgun that one.
[01:24:50]  Dead head.
[01:24:53]  You want a shotgun one, Katie?
[01:24:55]  What is it?
[01:24:57]  You're breaking the third wall.
[01:25:00]  Is that what that is?
[01:25:02]  Katie's like, this is like a fucking, it's like an episode of fucking.
[01:25:07]  Locked up a broad for her.
[01:25:09]  She's like holy shit.
[01:25:10]  He's like, get me the fuck out of here.
[01:25:14]  I totally regret coming tonight.
[01:25:16]  Jake is the shotgun master.
[01:25:23]  Oh oh Jesus oh, it's your first time boys.
[01:25:30]  Oh, Mother Trucker hey, poke mine, just poke it for me here, take this one.
[01:25:37]  All right, fair enough, just poke it, poke it up.
[01:25:39]  You got it bud, Because you got the nice triangle.
[01:25:41]  You got it all fenced.
[01:25:42]  I know what I'm doing.
[01:25:43]  Not as much as you got the angle.
[01:25:45]  Danny's got his upside down fucking I don't know what Danny's doing over there.

=== The Macho Man Scene (06:35) ===

[01:25:49]  Sorry, though.
[01:25:50]  Half mine's gone, so I got a good start.
[01:25:51]  Yeah, great.
[01:25:52]  It's a good start.
[01:25:53]  Hey, have you seen the one videos where they you're like, so, say me and Shane are doing it, and then oh, and they blow it?
[01:26:00]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:26:02]  Instead of, like, you pop it and you just they aim it at you and blow the whole beer in your face?
[01:26:06]  Whoa!
[01:26:06]  Oh, my God.
[01:26:08]  What the fuck?
[01:26:08]  You guys never seen that?
[01:26:09]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:26:10]  I've seen them.
[01:26:11]  We're not doing it.
[01:26:11]  You want to do it?
[01:26:13]  No, I know I mean I always want to do that.
[01:26:15]  I mean, I've got to have one.
[01:26:16]  All right.
[01:26:17]  Well, cheers boys.
[01:26:17]  Cheers.
[01:26:35]  We can only have the macho man for this.
[01:26:37]  Oh, yeah.
[01:26:38]  God, we should have Anthony.
[01:26:42]  Macho man nasty savage.
[01:26:43]  This whole room's going to fucking reek like beer.
[01:26:47]  Forrest is going to be pissed.
[01:26:50]  Smells like my underwear.
[01:26:53]  He gets mad at me.
[01:26:53]  He's like, I don't even smoke cigarettes in here.
[01:26:56]  He's the guy that owns the building, the rest of the building.
[01:26:59]  God, I knew some fucking weirdo named Forrest.
[01:27:01]  He's living in Imperial Point.
[01:27:03]  It's probably your age.
[01:27:06]  Yeah Jewish with sideburns red hair no black hair.
[01:27:11]  Oh, no, this dude was like super cozy.
[01:27:14]  Oh, no, it's definitely not him.
[01:27:15]  Okay Whoo Another one crack ready to go All right now.
[01:27:26]  I need a real big beer.
[01:27:27]  I need a sipper Need a casual one from time to time.
[01:27:32]  Now I need something to just We forgot to hit the bow wow.
[01:27:38]  Hey, Bubba, can we use that?
[01:27:45]  You ain't doing shit no more.
[01:27:48]  Bubba, please don't copyright strike me.
[01:27:54]  Oh, yeah.
[01:27:54]  Where were we?
[01:27:55]  Where did we leave?
[01:27:56]  We're about to talk about how me and you started talking.
[01:27:58]  Oh, yeah.
[01:27:59]  How'd you guys well, he would come up to see me, but I don't know that even before that, how long does it go by to your first visit?
[01:28:08]  Well, I went and saw him in county, and we tried to hang out in between.
[01:28:12]  And you can't be around people that are wrapped up in stuff like that.
[01:28:19]  You try to spend holidays together.
[01:28:20]  He comes up.
[01:28:21]  He's fucked up.
[01:28:21]  He doesn't know what he's doing.
[01:28:23]  You just have to understand that and give him a space.
[01:28:25]  And then I remember exactly where I was when my mom called me.
[01:28:29]  Just like when you see a train coming down the tracks, you don't go stand in front of it.
[01:28:32]  I'm not going to stop the train.
[01:28:34]  Stop what you're doing.
[01:28:35]  Just wave as it goes by.
[01:28:37]  It's like running into the middle of.
[01:28:39]  Traffic and trying to stop every car that's going by you.
[01:28:41]  It's yeah, it's useless, you're just gonna destroy yourself.
[01:28:44]  So you just gotta accept the things that are gonna go past you.
[01:28:48]  And it's like, hopefully we'll meet up again one day.
[01:28:51]  And you know, time goes by and I I'm living my life and I remember when my mom called me, and there was a time in my life where every time my mom called me, I expected her to tell me that your brother's dead.
[01:29:04]  Yeah, and it was like a solid like four years.
[01:29:07]  Anytime I'd get a call from her, whether it was good or bad, I always expected the first words out of her mouth to be like, Jake's dead.
[01:29:13]  Yeah, but I can't die.
[01:29:14]  You can't die.
[01:29:15]  He's a fucking cockroach.
[01:29:19]  No, I should have been dead like a million times.
[01:29:21]  I should have been dead.
[01:29:22]  And I had accepted that.
[01:29:24]  I just accepted the fact that I had a brother growing up, but I never had a brother growing up.
[01:29:29]  And it was just somebody that was sharing this experience of me living in the same space, coming from the same space, but we never really had a connection because we were always just so different.
[01:29:41]  And when he went to, I was going to mix it, jail or prison?
[01:29:45]  Prison.
[01:29:46]  When you go away and where you were at for a couple of years.
[01:29:50]  It's prison.
[01:29:51]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:29:51]  So when he went to prison, some time had passed.
[01:29:54]  And I think I just asked for your address or whatever.
[01:29:57]  And I just started writing you letters.
[01:29:59]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:29:59]  No, it was awesome because it's like you've been fucked up, but people you used to hang out with, you didn't do nothing wrong to them.
[01:30:07]  But they see how fucked up you are.
[01:30:09]  So everybody starts backing away.
[01:30:10]  They cut you off.
[01:30:12]  Yeah, everybody just starts backing away.
[01:30:14]  And then that's when you start like falling back toward all these other like you're doing the same shit like It's like the fucking junkie scene or something.
[01:30:22]  You know what I mean?
[01:30:22]  Just kind of you fall back into that crowd because nobody gives a fuck what you do They don't care if you're dead or alive or right.
[01:30:28]  You know what I mean?
[01:30:29]  So and all that shit falls away and like, and I kind of saw the opportunity to have the brother that I always wanted and I remember very vividly I I got this Simpsons anatomy book that teaches you how to draw every character from the Simpsons and I remember drawing this like picture of Homer and then just like writing the note in it about like hey, remember when, like we used to like watch the Simpsons and like eat checkers and like hang out and like all this shit, I really miss you.
[01:30:59]  I would make him actually eat checker pieces not, not yeah well, I didn't eat it he like shoved them up my ass and would like laugh about it yeah, and then throw me off the roof into the pool.
[01:31:11]  But no, I ever, you ever butt chug checkers.
[01:31:15]  I Love when a big Buford's just ride, the big Buford's like laid down like that little rug, the checkers rug in the fucking piece, The cracker barrel checkers.
[01:31:26]  Yeah, the cracker barrel.
[01:31:28]  The golf tees.
[01:31:29]  We just fucked him.
[01:31:30]  I'm trying to tell you.
[01:31:33]  We just shit all over his heartfelt story.
[01:31:37]  My bad.
[01:31:39]  We shouldn't shotgun this.
[01:31:40]  This is the problem with our relationship.
[01:31:44]  You're drawing Homer Simpson.
[01:31:46]  No, it's like anytime I try to talk, he just is an idiot.
[01:31:52]  And then we're both idiots at heart.
[01:31:55]  It just spirals.
[01:31:56]  And we're just like two turds in a toilet sharing this experience, getting flushed down the drain.
[01:32:02]  This drain called life.
[01:32:03]  This drain called life.
[01:32:06]  The same fate waits us all.
[01:32:07]  But, you know, I'm glad to be sharing the same toilet with everybody sitting at this table and the person working the camera who didn't want to shotgun a beer and have to call anybody out.
[01:32:18]  No, but it's awesome because that's what I was saying.
[01:32:20]  Like, you kind of lose touch with people you hung out with and, like, real friends.
[01:32:24]  Yeah.

=== Spiraling with Homer Simpson (14:41) ===

[01:32:25]  They back off.
[01:32:25]  And it's not because they don't like you, it's just because you're fucking out of control and, like, Me, I'm like, I'm mad.
[01:32:31]  Like, why is everybody backing off?
[01:32:33]  And then I'm like, well, I'm just going to go fucking harder.
[01:32:36]  Fuck these motherfuckers.
[01:32:36]  You know what I mean?
[01:32:37]  Fuck these nerds.
[01:32:38]  Fucking nerds.
[01:32:40]  So, I mean, that's just basically how it was.
[01:32:42]  So, I mean, like, you're sitting in there and, like, you don't hear from nobody.
[01:32:46]  And then you're, like, you're sober, too, and you're like, but you don't, you don't, like, really get it.
[01:32:51]  You know what I mean?
[01:32:51]  Yeah.
[01:32:52]  Like, what was that?
[01:32:53]  Explain what it was like after it had been X amount of time between you, when you got arrested, spent all the time in county, then you finally got transferred to prison.
[01:33:01]  Yeah.
[01:33:02]  At that point, what was your like, what were you thinking about, like, the drug addiction and the pills?
[01:33:07]  Like, was that, how far behind you was that at that point?
[01:33:09]  Oh, it wasn't that far behind me.
[01:33:11]  Like, I was still, like, you just kind of blame everything else, but, like, what really happened.
[01:33:17]  You know what I mean?
[01:33:18]  You're just grasping on the shit to blame it on.
[01:33:20]  Okay.
[01:33:21]  Kind of, and that's, that's kind of what I was talking about, like, after, like, three years.
[01:33:24]  Like, I remember talking to my mom, and she was like, you're totally, she came to visit me, and she's like, you're totally different.
[01:33:31]  Like, she could tell.
[01:33:32]  After a couple years?
[01:33:33]  After, like, three years.
[01:33:34]  Yeah.
[01:33:35]  Yeah.
[01:33:35]  Cause that, It's kind of cliche to say, but like a fog lifted off my brain to where I thought like, I'm like, oh, okay.
[01:33:44]  Because it's like, I'm not stupid.
[01:33:46]  I just did a lot of stupid shit.
[01:33:50]  But I mean, that was cool hearing her say that and just kind of reconnecting with my brother.
[01:33:55]  You know what I mean?
[01:33:56]  Because I was a huge fucking dick.
[01:33:58]  Yeah.
[01:33:59]  Salad.
[01:34:00]  Yeah.
[01:34:00]  So, I mean, and then it's like you feel bad.
[01:34:02]  You feel bad like shit you've done to people that care about you and that you'd always push away.
[01:34:08]  And then.
[01:34:09]  You know what I mean?
[01:34:10]  Just kind of shit like that.
[01:34:11]  So you deal with a lot.
[01:34:13]  It was harder mentally than anything.
[01:34:15]  Like physically, nobody fucked with me.
[01:34:19]  I got in one fight.
[01:34:20]  One fight.
[01:34:21]  One fight.
[01:34:23]  Okay, so when you're doing the whole DOC tour of Florida, people transfer all the time.
[01:34:30]  So anywhere you go, like if you do something really fucked up at some camp, there's always going to be somebody at your next camp that knows what you did.
[01:34:38]  Yeah.
[01:34:38]  So I was playing poker.
[01:34:40]  And it's like, you shouldn't really be gambling while you're locked up if you're trying to stay out of trouble and shit like that.
[01:34:45]  Because it was pretty much it was pretty much me and like a bunch of black dudes fucking gambling all the time.
[01:34:51]  And like they call me the great white hope.
[01:34:54]  Like what?
[01:34:55]  They call me the great white hope because like I'm not fucking a lot of a lot of white dudes that go into prison are fucking lame and green as fuck like our fucking big time fucking pussies.
[01:35:05]  Yeah.
[01:35:05]  And like I wasn't and I fucking knew how to gamble and I'm not fucking stupid.
[01:35:11]  So I remember one time we're gambling.
[01:35:12]  It's just with this this big ass fucking this big ass dude from Tampa.
[01:35:16]  He calls me a bitch one day at the poker table.
[01:35:18]  And he said go get some more money broke bitch.
[01:35:20]  And I told him.
[01:35:22]  Don't you.
[01:35:22]  I was like, don't call me a.
[01:35:24]  And he goes, all right, and I go, I I took all the chips I had and I I threw it in his face and you, you tell him, get there and that's like a part of the pod to where they can't see you fight, where the guard station can't really see you.
[01:35:39]  So i'm like, all right well, i'm about I thought I was going to get the beat out of me.
[01:35:44]  So I was like this dude was that big oh yeah, he was bigger than me, but he was just he's a big goofball anyway.
[01:35:50]  But we ended up being friends, like after him being at different camps and all that.
[01:35:54]  So uh, so he, we were fighting, we were lined up and you like you fight, like down this wall.
[01:35:58]  So he like kind of kept running from me, like backing up, and it's like I just want to fight, just get this over with.
[01:36:04]  So uh, I ended up like hitting him one good time and he was like oh, i'm done, i'll go all right, because that's how I am.
[01:36:11]  Like fighting with me is win or lose.
[01:36:14]  I'm cool after man, like I got it off my chest right, like I don't, I don't give a if I get beat up, because if you have not getting beat up in your life, you have not fought anybody worth fighting.
[01:36:24]  You know what I mean.
[01:36:25]  Yeah, so uh.
[01:36:26]  But after that, I had to stay up for three fucking.
[01:36:29]  That was a good quote.
[01:36:30]  Fucking strong, dude.
[01:36:32]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:36:33]  No, it's the truth.
[01:36:34]  Burn that on the side of a man.
[01:36:36]  If you have never gotten beat up in your life.
[01:36:38]  That's an epic quote.
[01:36:38]  You have never fought anybody worth fighting because you're picking and choosing weak people to fight.
[01:36:45]  Right.
[01:36:45]  And then that's the whole prison thing is people prey on the weak.
[01:36:49]  Yeah.
[01:36:49]  Is basically what I'm getting into.
[01:36:51]  But after that, I mean, it's just he was from the guy I fought was from Tampa.
[01:36:56]  And there happened to be like four other dudes from his neighborhood.
[01:37:00]  In there and for him to stop against a white boy.
[01:37:05]  It was a.
[01:37:05]  That was a big, whole fucking thing.
[01:37:07]  So I had to stay up for three days straight so I did not get my fucking head bashed in with a lock just to watch your back and stuff.
[01:37:14]  Well no, because a lot of times, because people it's it's, people are fucking are, people are scared.
[01:37:19]  They act tough but they're fucking scared, yeah.
[01:37:21]  So wait, i've woken up.
[01:37:23]  I've woken up in the middle of the night when it when I was in there and people will take your their belt and put it on because we have, like the school master, locks to put on our yeah, our drawers for, like our commissary and all that So, but like I'm waking up.
[01:37:36]  I'm waking up at three in the morning to like a dude next to me is getting his fucking head bashed in with a fucking lock.
[01:37:41]  Yeah.
[01:37:41]  So, but it's like all I'm hearing for like, like it's all lights out.
[01:37:45]  It's probably like midnight now.
[01:37:47]  And then I'm just like, oh, you let that cracker get over on you.
[01:37:50]  You let that cracker get over on you.
[01:37:51]  And I'm like, okay, cool.
[01:37:52]  Well, I'm going to be up for three fucking days.
[01:37:54]  So I'm like trying to read books and I'm just like, I'm pretty much just like eating instant coffee, trying to like stay awake.
[01:38:01]  And it's just like, oh, God.
[01:38:05]  It's like the worst feeling.
[01:38:06]  Because you're just waiting for something to happen.
[01:38:08]  Well, no, just like a retaliation because.
[01:38:09]  Right, you're anticipating something.
[01:38:11]  Because a lot of people, I would say fucking 90% of people in prison are fucking pussies.
[01:38:16]  Yeah.
[01:38:16]  That they would wait and sneak up on you or wait till you're sleeping.
[01:38:21]  When you say this guy below you got his head bashed in, like, did he survive?
[01:38:25]  Oh, yeah, he survived.
[01:38:26]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:38:28]  Were people getting killed?
[01:38:29]  I never saw anybody get killed.
[01:38:31]  Yeah.
[01:38:31]  I mean, shit, I've seen.
[01:38:33]  Okay, so, like, shit, you see in the movies and on the shows, it happens.
[01:38:36]  It doesn't happen every fucking day.
[01:38:38]  Right, right.
[01:38:39]  Like, I've been 20 feet away from, like, These guys they were chasing this guy around and he when he swung I was like wow he fucking hits like a bitch You're right.
[01:38:49]  Yeah, but I'm like why the fuck's he punching him like that?
[01:38:52]  And I go oh my god, he's stabbing him These two these two guys are stabbing the fuck out of this dude, but I'm like Those guys hit like fucking pussy right, but I'm like oh shit.
[01:39:03]  They're fucking stabbing him and I'm like 20 feet away, But it's like your fucking heart's racing dude, because you're like holy fuck man like, and like we wear light blue, like canvas uniforms, kind of deal, and uh, it's just like there's no blue left, it's all, it's all red, it's all red.
[01:39:19]  Yeah, oh my, so like i've seen that happen.
[01:39:21]  Um yeah, it's just like i've seen all everything like you would see in a show or a movie.
[01:39:27]  Yeah, but it doesn't happen all the time.
[01:39:29]  Okay, like that yeah, because most people are just trying to chill.
[01:39:32]  I mean, like you got a little bit of freedom.
[01:39:34]  Yeah, you're not really trying to that up and go to confinement, to where right, because you are always hungry in there, and like being able to hit that commissary window is like it's everything, That is everything.
[01:39:47]  If they ever took commissary out of prison, I would have killed everybody and then killed myself.
[01:39:53]  I'm over it.
[01:39:55]  How dare you take my honey buns?
[01:39:57]  My honey buns and my green steak coffee.
[01:39:59]  Dude, I mean, that's all you got, man.
[01:40:01]  I mean, you got to think about it.
[01:40:03]  Like, people would get in fights over fucking Raymond Noodle soup.
[01:40:06]  Oh, yeah.
[01:40:06]  And it doesn't matter.
[01:40:08]  That's the whole thing.
[01:40:09]  It's the fucking principle.
[01:40:10]  But it's like, it's just hard to get down to that petty.
[01:40:13]  It's a goddamn soup, man.
[01:40:16]  Do you really want to fucking die over a fucking random soup?
[01:40:19]  I know, man.
[01:40:20]  I know.
[01:40:22]  It's fucked, man.
[01:40:23]  Like, it's like, I try to explain it.
[01:40:25]  People are like, what's it like?
[01:40:26]  I'm like, it's really gay and just like a whole nother like subculture of a subculture.
[01:40:34]  Really gay?
[01:40:34]  Really gay, yeah.
[01:40:35]  Why?
[01:40:36]  There's a lot of gay shit that goes on.
[01:40:37]  Yeah, they do that.
[01:40:39]  A lot of people think that if you're gay for this day, it's okay because you're not on the street.
[01:40:47]  Like, I've heard conversations like that and it's just yeah.
[01:40:49]  Oh, the soap dropping.
[01:40:50]  Gay for the stay.
[01:40:51]  Gay for the stay, yeah.
[01:40:53]  Some people are, they're okay with being gay in prison.
[01:40:55]  Oh, I've, I've, no, I've also heard.
[01:40:57]  Oh, oh, that's what I say.
[01:40:59]  That's what I say.
[01:40:59]  Leave it at me.
[01:41:00]  I've also heard.
[01:41:00]  Okay.
[01:41:00]  This is a funny one.
[01:41:02]  This is a real funny one.
[01:41:03]  So I'm laying, I was at Polk.
[01:41:05]  I had like, I probably had like two years left.
[01:41:08]  And, you know, like sometimes you're just, you're just fucking over everybody.
[01:41:11]  You can never get away from anybody.
[01:41:13]  Yeah.
[01:41:13]  I'm in a two-man cell.
[01:41:16]  I'm laying on my bunk and then the next cell next to me, there's like, there's these three guys talking there.
[01:41:22]  He's like how my gay motherfucker he was sucking my dick.
[01:41:26]  He's a fucking cocksucker And then and then like the same conversation.
[01:41:33]  It's like nah man.
[01:41:34]  He's gay.
[01:41:34]  He's like he's gay gay.
[01:41:36]  He's like gay on the street gay Like that's like kind of the mentality.
[01:41:41]  I don't know.
[01:41:42]  It's just really weird.
[01:41:43]  I don't got no problem.
[01:41:44]  I mean, that just sounds kind of fucked to even say, but it's just like, there's the shit people like.
[01:41:50]  It's the things that you tell yourself to get through what you need to get through because it's just like the experience.
[01:41:55]  Yeah, just like the reasoning people have for doing shit in there.
[01:41:59]  Right, it's insane.
[01:42:00]  It doesn't make sense to it doesn't make sense to people that are outside.
[01:42:04]  Well, even for me, it didn't really make sense because I was just logical.
[01:42:08]  Just like logically thinking about stuff was just like right, you got your dick sucked by a dude.
[01:42:13]  Well, I'm not even talking about that.
[01:42:14]  Yeah, but that aside, just like the way I mean, but a lot of people just I mean that's just like a mental thing.
[01:42:20]  Like you're, you are traumatized, but nobody would admit that in there yeah, about about that.
[01:42:25]  But people, you know, your mind, your mind makes, helps you get through it, and some people just do weird while they're in there.
[01:42:34]  Yeah, you know what I mean.
[01:42:35]  You come up with the stories that you need to tell yourself to justify cope with it, your actions in there, and you're coping yeah, because you have nothing else to do in there and like there's no human affection other than the people that are around you.
[01:42:48]  And If that's what you need to do to get by, then that's what you need to do to get by.
[01:42:53]  Yeah, but that's all good.
[01:42:56]  But it's like people were just like the reasonings.
[01:42:59]  I would hear people reasoning about just every little aspect of the whole thing.
[01:43:03]  Right.
[01:43:03]  They're coming up with a reason for everything.
[01:43:05]  For everything.
[01:43:06]  Is there one thing that happened in the entire, like one part of the entire experience that just sticks out to you is like, that was the most fucked up thing I ever saw?
[01:43:13]  What really fucking bothered me was, okay, when I first went in and like, Child molesters and shit.
[01:43:21]  Florida is so fucked.
[01:43:23]  I would fuck with these dudes so bad.
[01:43:25]  People would I remember getting on top of this one dude.
[01:43:28]  He was in his bed like I would call mom and ask because people like oh he's a child.
[01:43:32]  He's a chomo or whatever So but I would know.
[01:43:35]  Yeah, so I wouldn't know that for sure I would call my mom I would call my mom a lot of times even if I was hanging out with somebody I'd call my mom tell me to look them up.
[01:43:45]  Okay, like so I know what they're in there for.
[01:43:47]  Oh, okay, so because it's like I do not want to be fucking hanging out with child molester right right right, somebody like did some really fucked up, like we all did fucked up.
[01:43:54]  But for you to like do that to a kid, was it?
[01:43:57]  Was it easy to kind of figure out who did what?
[01:43:59]  I mean some kind of yeah, some people were.
[01:44:01]  And then I remember this one dude I got on, I got on, he was, he was taking a nap.
[01:44:05]  I I just went on top of him, put my elbow in his throat.
[01:44:09]  He woke up and then I had a big old mouth full of skull and I spit it all in his face and then um, I slapped him, I got up.
[01:44:19]  He just looked at me.
[01:44:20]  It was just like Well, this fucking sucks.
[01:44:22]  He didn't even fucking say nothing.
[01:44:24]  You know what I mean?
[01:44:24]  Because it's like, half those motherfuckers know, man.
[01:44:26]  Like, it's fucked.
[01:44:27]  And, like, people, a couple of times when I would do it, people would, like, try to fight me.
[01:44:33]  But it's not like they would just talk shit.
[01:44:36]  It's not actually trying to fight me kind of deal like that.
[01:44:38]  But just for you to stick up for somebody like that, I don't know.
[01:44:42]  Maybe they didn't know he was a chomo.
[01:44:43]  Oh, they all knew.
[01:44:44]  They did?
[01:44:44]  Everybody knows.
[01:44:45]  Everybody knows somebody is.
[01:44:46]  But a lot of people will, some people will stick up for those guys because, If they buy him like commissary and shit like that.
[01:44:54]  Yeah.
[01:44:55]  So, but you're kind of like selling your soul to the devil.
[01:44:57]  So it's like, fuck, I don't know.
[01:44:59]  I just don't, I just don't get it.
[01:45:00]  You could, yeah.
[01:45:01]  I don't know.
[01:45:02]  So you would call your, like, look at, you know, this guy up.
[01:45:06]  Look up who's in jail.
[01:45:08]  And she would look him up.
[01:45:10]  Oh, no.
[01:45:10]  You can, yeah.
[01:45:11]  Yeah.
[01:45:11]  She could go, you could go on.
[01:45:12]  She would call her.
[01:45:13]  Yeah.
[01:45:14]  I would, yeah.
[01:45:14]  She would do that for you, though.
[01:45:15]  Yeah.
[01:45:16]  Cause there was a, there was a few people I kind of, like, hung out with.
[01:45:20]  You know what I mean?
[01:45:21]  I was a fucking freshman.
[01:45:22]  Shout out to mom for fucking looking it up.
[01:45:25]  Well, you kind of like have to, man.
[01:45:27]  Right.
[01:45:28]  But Florida is fucked, dude.
[01:45:30]  Like in every aspect of Florida, not the prison.
[01:45:33]  Florida is a hellhole.
[01:45:34]  But for every aspect of Florida, it's fucked.
[01:45:38]  Nobody gives a fuck about anything.
[01:45:40]  Nobody's, like no morals, or there's few people who are true to what they do yeah, who really give a, and I think it's just from everybody moving here there's no back, like there's no background.
[01:45:53]  Yeah right, you know what I mean.
[01:45:54]  Like you go to New York, you go to Pennsylvania, like there's generations and generations yeah right, exactly you know what I mean.
[01:46:00]  But like yeah, it's like no one's from here, it's just a mixed breed of everybody and I, I don't know.
[01:46:08]  There's just a bunch of fucked up floor idiots.
[01:46:10]  It's a bunch.
[01:46:11]  It's just a bunch of rich, fucking white people fucking up this whole fucking state.
[01:46:14]  A bunch of rich white people and a bunch of fucking addicts.
[01:46:18]  Making all the laws.
[01:46:19]  Yeah.
[01:46:20]  The thing that always fucked with me the most about how you explained your experience was it's a little detail.
[01:46:26]  And when you talk about it, it doesn't really seem like a big deal.
[01:46:30]  But the fact that there's no air conditioning in any of the prisons.
[01:46:33]  Oh, yeah.
[01:46:34]  Summertime is so fucked up.
[01:46:36]  That is fucked up.
[01:46:37]  Oh, no.
[01:46:37]  Summertime, dude, there is no sleeping.
[01:46:40]  That's oppressive.
[01:46:42]  You go to sleep at night.
[01:46:45]  Probably waking up five, six times, like just drenched in sweat, like you piss the bed, like that's how fucking wet it is.
[01:46:50]  Wow, because you're sleeping on plastic fucking mats.
[01:46:54]  It's.
[01:46:55]  Uh, they have windows, but it's, it's that big, but they put a piece of metal over it and there's probably like 10 or 15 drill holes, little holes yeah, little drill holes.
[01:47:05]  Like so you're barely getting any air.
[01:47:06]  But we would.

=== No AC in Summer Prison (04:02) ===

[01:47:07]  We would throw up in the window what we call the ac.
[01:47:11]  You take a couple forks in the trash bag and I don't know how the fucking this works, but you would rig it out to where it would catch wind and blow it to your bunk, to your bunk.
[01:47:22]  Right, there's some genius that happens to this.
[01:47:24]  I don't know if it's real life Mcguire like yeah genius yeah, it's, it's amazing.
[01:47:31]  Like, but I mean that's the whole thing, it's.
[01:47:33]  I remember my dad coming to see me and he's like how do you do this?
[01:47:37]  And I was like you're either gonna do it or you're gonna lay down, or right, I mean like no, if you get thrown into something, you're gonna do it and you're gonna figure out how to make it the easiest way possible.
[01:47:49]  So it was just yeah, That's crazy.
[01:47:51]  There's a lot of you didn't have a choice.
[01:47:53]  Yeah, you had no choice.
[01:47:55]  I'm just here.
[01:47:56]  Fuck it.
[01:47:56]  I'm just here for the ride in the honey buns, man.
[01:47:58]  For the honey buns, baby.
[01:48:01]  Icing frosted honey buns or just plain?
[01:48:04]  Frosted all day, baby.
[01:48:06]  Yeah, baby.
[01:48:09]  Frosted?
[01:48:10]  Come on.
[01:48:12]  Dude, I probably ate five ramen noodle soups a day.
[01:48:15]  When you got out or when you ate it?
[01:48:17]  No, when I was in there the whole time.
[01:48:19]  I probably ate five ramen noodle soups a day, like at least two honey buns.
[01:48:22]  Just eating total shit, dude.
[01:48:24]  And you were still in the best shape.
[01:48:26]  Yeah, it's fucking nuts, man.
[01:48:28]  I remember when he got out on work release and we were trying to work out together and he's smoking cigarettes, drinking instant coffee, and eating gas station food.
[01:48:35]  Wait, wait, wait, wait.
[01:48:36]  He was doing push-ups with my mom on his back.
[01:48:39]  I'm like, motherfucker, keep up.
[01:48:41]  I can't.
[01:48:43]  You guys were trying to work out together when he got out?
[01:48:46]  No, we were working out together.
[01:48:47]  How did that go?
[01:48:48]  Hey, man, you want to work out?
[01:48:51]  Where were you working out at?
[01:48:53]  Oh, that place, Fusion, that he was living at in St. Pete.
[01:48:56]  Oh, before that.
[01:48:57]  Was it?
[01:48:57]  Yeah.
[01:48:58]  At the house.
[01:48:59]  Oh, yeah.
[01:48:59]  At my mom and dad's house.
[01:49:00]  Okay.
[01:49:01]  So you guys were working out in the driveway or something?
[01:49:03]  It was like working out in the driveway.
[01:49:05]  He was showing me what they used to do to pass the time and work out.
[01:49:09]  It was just all squats, push-ups, and just lifting random shit.
[01:49:13]  All the different kinds of push-ups I always thought were really interesting because you got your basic ones.
[01:49:18]  You got the ones where you crawl.
[01:49:20]  And it's like, okay, we're going to crawl all the way down the driveway and then do push-ups.
[01:49:25]  And then you're just kind of doing this army crawl, but you're push-upping too.
[01:49:28]  And the whole time you're smoking, dipping, and drinking instant coffee.
[01:49:33]  Oh, yeah, dude.
[01:49:34]  I would be on the rec yard on the pull-up bar with a mouthful of skull and a top roll-up cigarette smoking it.
[01:49:40]  Doing pull-ups.
[01:49:41]  I mean, that's how you had to add resistance.
[01:49:44]  Didn't you say at one point they banned cigarettes?
[01:49:46]  Yeah, they took the cigarettes out.
[01:49:49]  I forgot what year that was, but they gave us a year notice.
[01:49:53]  And so we're like, oh, it's a year.
[01:49:56]  But then that shit went by so fast.
[01:49:58]  Right, like nothing.
[01:49:59]  The next day.
[01:50:00]  So it was like October one year, and then we saw flyers everywhere.
[01:50:03]  It was like, wait, what it's like?
[01:50:06]  That's pretty much all you have, and you know what I mean.
[01:50:08]  Right, it's like a little bit of freedom yeah, yeah.
[01:50:10]  So um, they were going to ban it the next october that year, but they were to stop selling the september before.
[01:50:17]  So like the whole year goes by and then at the end everybody's scrambling, everyone's crazy, burying them on the yard.
[01:50:25]  Uh, so they stopped selling them and then, I mean, the price of a five dollar pack of top went up to like 200.
[01:50:33]  It just kept doubling, like it went to 10, then 20, then 40, and then it got all the way up to like 250 bucks.
[01:50:39]  I heard some of the reception centers when people first come in.
[01:50:42]  Yeah.
[01:50:42]  They were going for like $500, $600 for one fucking small ass pike atop.
[01:50:49]  Wow.
[01:50:49]  So that made it easy to quit smoking.
[01:50:52]  Yeah.
[01:50:52]  I like to eat.
[01:50:55]  I like to eat.
[01:50:55]  Commissary's nice.
[01:50:56]  I don't like smoking fucking $40 pin joints of dinners.
[01:51:01]  Yeah, you know what I mean?
[01:51:03]  Now, what about when you finally got out?
[01:51:06]  What was it like leading up to your lease?

=== Riding Bikes After Release (03:53) ===

[01:51:10]  um like like leading up i was at i was at work release oh okay this is another oh yeah so you got to go to a camp after that or what i i went to work release at the largo goodwill it's right across the street from diamond dolls on 19.
[01:51:22]  Yeah oh, yeah so, but before I got there, is that by a celebration station?
[01:51:27]  Uh, it is at right there.
[01:51:29]  Yeah, it's close to there.
[01:51:31]  It's close, not that close, though not close enough.
[01:51:35]  So I go to this, I go to the Goodwill.
[01:51:37]  It's shut down now, but I went there.
[01:51:38]  But before I got there There was a motherfucker that raped some chick at fucking Diamond Dolls.
[01:51:43]  That was out there and then another guy killed It was at least one or two people and then set the house on fire.
[01:51:51]  Damn, that was at work release.
[01:51:52]  I mean work release is you have less than a fucking year left.
[01:51:56]  Right.
[01:51:56]  You know what I mean?
[01:51:57]  Right.
[01:51:57]  And what do they make you do for work?
[01:51:59]  Oh, you go get a regular job.
[01:52:00]  You just go you can go out and you're living in like a halfway house or no, I mean it's or they just take you out of it's pretty much like a halfway house, but it's still DOC.
[01:52:08]  It's not like it's not like an actual prison.
[01:52:10]  Okay, it's like super low custody So, but you don't have that much fucking time left.
[01:52:15]  And these fucking stupid cocksuckers did like the dumbest shit.
[01:52:20]  And I don't know.
[01:52:22]  It was that whole thing of like doing that much time.
[01:52:24]  Like that was the first time like me really doing time.
[01:52:26]  So being that gone that long, I'm like, I can definitely wait.
[01:52:31]  Yeah, I'm good to go do like all this dumb shit.
[01:52:33]  You know what I mean?
[01:52:34]  Yeah.
[01:52:34]  So when you rode your bike, like how far to go?
[01:52:37]  I worked two jobs.
[01:52:38]  So I would leave the center at like five in the morning and ride my bike from there to Indian Rocks Beach every day.
[01:52:46]  So I was doing like.
[01:52:46]  I was doing like 22 miles a day, but I would leave the center at like 5.
[01:52:50]  Where was the center?
[01:52:51]  The center was right across the street from Diamond Dolls.
[01:52:53]  On 19th.
[01:52:54]  On 19th.
[01:52:54]  Okay.
[01:52:55]  That's far as fuck.
[01:52:56]  That's a far-ass bike ride.
[01:52:59]  For a drive.
[01:53:00]  Yeah, that's a far drive.
[01:53:01]  That is a far drive.
[01:53:02]  I'd work two times.
[01:53:03]  I don't even drive that far, honestly.
[01:53:05]  That's a far drive.
[01:53:06]  Yeah, but I would get back by like midnight, 11 o'clock or midnight.
[01:53:10]  And I think it was 11, I'd get back because that was like our curfew.
[01:53:14]  So then I would get like two hours of sleep and I would just keep doing it.
[01:53:17]  But I was so fucking pumped just to be able to just right you're feeling a little bit of freedom and shit, right?
[01:53:22]  Just riding my bike working and Just kind of feeling normal.
[01:53:27]  You know what I mean?
[01:53:27]  Yeah.
[01:53:28]  Just kind of being like a normal person in the world, I guess.
[01:53:32]  Well, not really normal, but.
[01:53:33]  Right.
[01:53:34]  Yeah.
[01:53:34]  You know what I mean?
[01:53:35]  But you're not in prison anymore.
[01:53:36]  But I mean, if you're.
[01:53:37]  I'm riding a bike.
[01:53:38]  If you're riding your bike in Florida, then there's something wrong with you.
[01:53:42]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:53:42]  Oh, that's like the people on the bus that take a bus in Florida.
[01:53:45]  You're like, God, he's a fucking drug addict or he got a fucking DUI.
[01:53:49]  Yeah, yeah, he's no license.
[01:53:50]  In the city, I mean, that's fucking normal.
[01:53:51]  That's what you do.
[01:53:52]  But down here, you just, you look down at everybody that's not fucking riding a car.
[01:53:55]  You see somebody walking on the side, like, DUI, definitely.
[01:53:59]  Yeah, no.
[01:54:00]  So, I mean, I love that, but.
[01:54:02]  So, but that shit came to, they, after those guys did that shit, I remember one morning, woke up at like three in the morning, all the, like, it was like the, it was like the riot squad.
[01:54:13]  I forgot what the fuck their name was in there for prison.
[01:54:15]  They all came in all of our doors, said, all right, motherfuckers, pack your shit.
[01:54:19]  You're going back to prison.
[01:54:21]  I was like, no.
[01:54:22]  Oh, God.
[01:54:23]  So I had to go back to one of the, that reception camp I first went to.
[01:54:27]  Went through that whole fucking shit again.
[01:54:29]  Back in Polk?
[01:54:30]  No, that was Orlando.
[01:54:31]  I was in Orlando.
[01:54:32]  Yeah, so I had to go through like that whole shit when I first went back to prison.
[01:54:35]  And then so it was like, was that like two or three months?
[01:54:39]  Yeah.
[01:54:39]  Then you went to Polk.
[01:54:40]  Yeah, then we went to no, that was after Polk.
[01:54:44]  Oh, yeah.
[01:54:45]  No, I put you back in it.
[01:54:46]  Were you ever in Coleman?
[01:54:48]  No.
[01:54:49]  Okay.
[01:54:49]  Coleman.
[01:54:51]  Oh, no, that's federal.
[01:54:52]  That's federal.
[01:54:53]  That's federal.
[01:54:53]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:54:55]  Oh, okay.
[01:54:56]  Yeah, Coleman's federal camp.
[01:54:58]  That's a yeah, you got to do like a lot real big shit to do that.

=== Reliving Orlando Shit Again (07:06) ===

[01:55:03]  Yeah, do something.
[01:55:05]  Yeah.
[01:55:06]  That's like the Harvard for criminals.
[01:55:08]  I remember that's where Matt Cox was, right?
[01:55:11]  Yeah, but you remember.
[01:55:12]  What about Mike Oxbig?
[01:55:13]  Was he there, too?
[01:55:16]  He was definitely there.
[01:55:22]  Heard about him.
[01:55:25]  No, but Dave Clark, do you remember him?
[01:55:28]  Yeah.
[01:55:28]  Remember Dave Clark?
[01:55:29]  He's in Coleman right now.
[01:55:30]  Still?
[01:55:31]  Oh, yeah.
[01:55:31]  Was that one of your buddies?
[01:55:32]  His get out is 2037.
[01:55:35]  2037.
[01:55:37]  He's done.
[01:55:37]  But he loves God.
[01:55:39]  Yeah, he's super religious.
[01:55:40]  That is.
[01:55:40]  That is really all that matters, especially in Florida.
[01:55:44]  So you didn't find Jesus in prison?
[01:55:45]  Jesus actually.
[01:55:46]  No, I actually, we don't get along.
[01:55:50]  You and Jesus?
[01:55:51]  Well, yeah.
[01:55:53]  I mean, we really don't get along because all these Christians out here, they're always talking about forgiveness.
[01:55:59]  But since I've been out of prison, every time I try to go do something, it's like gross.
[01:56:03]  You're a felon.
[01:56:05]  You can go fuck off.
[01:56:05]  You check that box.
[01:56:06]  You know what I mean?
[01:56:07]  But that's like all of our laws, whether you like it or not, are based on Christian values.
[01:56:15]  Everything is based on Christian values.
[01:56:17]  Yeah.
[01:56:17]  Which they say church and state is separate is bullshit.
[01:56:20]  Yeah.
[01:56:21]  Because it's that whole fucking forgiveness thing, you fucking cocksuckers, that I'd never get forgiven.
[01:56:28]  Even when I was just in Pennsylvania when we got the house to rent.
[01:56:31]  Yeah.
[01:56:31]  There was a few places that would not even talk to me because of my background.
[01:56:36]  Yeah.
[01:56:36]  And it sucks because I don't know, just not even talking to somebody before and just kind of judging them on that.
[01:56:45]  Like that, yeah.
[01:56:45]  Yeah, yeah.
[01:56:46]  Because they don't know you.
[01:56:47]  Yeah.
[01:56:47]  And you have made like a I feel like a full fucking 360.
[01:56:50]  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[01:56:51]  Well, because I just where you've come from.
[01:56:53]  I've learned that there's more jesus Christ.
[01:56:57]  There's more you can answer that on the air if it's good.
[01:56:59]  Answer it.
[01:57:00]  Answer it.
[01:57:01]  Oh, hey, what's up, babe?
[01:57:04]  Oh, you know, it fucking sucks.
[01:57:05]  These guys fucking don't know what they're doing.
[01:57:07]  You're live.
[01:57:08]  You're live on the air.
[01:57:09]  You're not live.
[01:57:12]  You sound like she's fucking stoked.
[01:57:15]  You get your room cleaned up or what?
[01:57:17]  I'm sleeping.
[01:57:19]  All right, go to bed.
[01:57:19]  I'll be home later.
[01:57:22]  Love you.
[01:57:27]  I don't know.
[01:57:28]  We're still in prison.
[01:57:30]  We're still in prison.
[01:57:31]  We haven't even made it to MDF yet.
[01:57:34]  What?
[01:57:35]  Do you want to tell the story about how we met?
[01:57:37]  Yeah, that'd be sick.
[01:57:38]  Yeah.
[01:57:38]  What?
[01:57:38]  That's an easy one.
[01:57:38]  I didn't hear what she said.
[01:57:46]  That's an easy one?
[01:57:47]  Someone knock on them?
[01:57:51]  No.
[01:57:51]  No, no, no.
[01:57:51]  If you're sleepy, go to bed.
[01:57:56]  Okay, well, I'll see you in a little bit or a few hours.
[01:57:59]  We'll see what comes first You're just you're just prolonging it being on the phone right now.
[01:58:05]  You're just prolonging it being on the phone Love you love you baby.
[01:58:15]  Bye So that's your shout out shout out to your wife.
[01:58:21]  Yeah, how long after you got out did you meet your wife?
[01:58:25]  God, I got out in February.
[01:58:27]  I met her in May.
[01:58:29]  It was like love at first sight.
[01:58:31]  You know what I mean?
[01:58:31]  I guess.
[01:58:32]  Three months later.
[01:58:33]  Luke, you were there, right?
[01:58:34]  Where did you meet her?
[01:58:35]  I orchestrated the whole trip.
[01:58:37]  Did you really?
[01:58:38]  Yeah.
[01:58:39]  What was it?
[01:58:40]  Give us the story.
[01:58:41]  So, like, another thing that helped me and Jake in our relationship was heavy metal.
[01:58:50]  You got him into it, right?
[01:58:52]  Yeah.
[01:58:53]  I helped guide him towards the healing powers.
[01:58:57]  And the righteousness of heavy metal.
[01:58:59]  It is way better than Jesus.
[01:59:01]  I highly recommend heavy metal over Jesus.
[01:59:04]  The Jake that I remember is completely different.
[01:59:10]  Although I will say Jake did have the Trap House Gucci Man CD when it first came out.
[01:59:16]  Oh, 100% love it.
[01:59:16]  Did you really?
[01:59:17]  And I remember my mom picking it up and like, look at this girl cooking at the stove naked.
[01:59:23]  When I remember Jake, she's got a big old booty.
[01:59:26]  Oh, yeah.
[01:59:26]  Big old black donkey thing and thing spanking out there.
[01:59:30]  That looks amazing.
[01:59:31]  Please let me know.
[01:59:33]  I went through a lot of phases.
[01:59:35]  Kind of trying to find yourself.
[01:59:38]  Yeah.
[01:59:39]  Well, you found yourself.
[01:59:40]  Yeah.
[01:59:40]  Well, I mean, that's kind of the problem with down here because that's like goes back to the whole thing about nobody's really into anything down here.
[01:59:47]  Yeah.
[01:59:47]  Because you got all these old fucks and all you do, all they do is drink.
[01:59:51]  There's just like, there's really nothing going on around here.
[01:59:55]  If you think about it for young people, I used to skateboard all the time.
[01:59:59]  I had my hip surgery.
[02:00:01]  I couldn't do that anymore.
[02:00:02]  So you had nothing.
[02:00:03]  So I had nothing.
[02:00:04]  I had nothing but drugs and rap.
[02:00:07]  Yeah, because when I remember Jake, it was like when we were young, it was like the hot boys.
[02:00:13]  Yeah.
[02:00:13]  Like big timers.
[02:00:14]  Yeah.
[02:00:15]  Jake.
[02:00:15]  Like early cash money shit.
[02:00:17]  Yeah, cash money and respect your wife.
[02:00:19]  There was like always the parties at your house.
[02:00:23]  Jake always had the baddest bitches all around.
[02:00:26]  For sure.
[02:00:27]  Like I remember like seeing like titties for maybe the first time.
[02:00:32]  It was definitely like with Jake.
[02:00:33]  Were they mine?
[02:00:35]  No, no, they weren't yours.
[02:00:37]  The first time I seen a real pair of women's titties was definitely probably a party at your house.
[02:00:42]  Always a girl screaming from a girl's room.
[02:00:46]  I remember Luke telling me a story one time.
[02:00:48]  He was like, I walked into my room and there was just this girl.
[02:00:53]  And Jake was like, yeah, go in there and check it out.
[02:00:56]  And she was just spread even on your bed.
[02:00:59]  I forgot the chick's name.
[02:01:00]  I saw she was like, that was the first time I seen a pussy.
[02:01:04]  No, she was like Luke's size.
[02:01:07]  You know what I mean?
[02:01:09]  She was like one of those small girls.
[02:01:11]  No, it was like they kind of looked like the same as in fourth grade.
[02:01:16]  And we were in like middle school.
[02:01:17]  They were in middle school, not fourth grade.
[02:01:19]  You were probably the coolest back then to me for sure.
[02:01:23]  I remember going to Reddington Pier and smoking black and milds with you when I was in sixth grade.
[02:01:29]  Yeah, right?
[02:01:29]  This is living.
[02:01:31]  We would party at the house and we would go ride our bicycles to Luke's house and you would already be there and all your friends and fucking mad girls and the mutton room and with the scoreboard on the wall.
[02:01:45]  I'm glad you guys carried that tradition.
[02:01:47]  I saw that.
[02:01:49]  All our stories are stacked.
[02:01:51]  Oh, scurvy old.
[02:01:53]  Yeah, they're definitely weighted heavily.
[02:01:55]  That's kind of how our scores were.
[02:01:58]  There was only two of us that actually really scored on the scoreboard.
[02:02:02]  But that was so sick back then.
[02:02:04]  Yeah, you got to have fun.
[02:02:06]  I mean, I just kind of floated through life my whole life.

=== Listening to Slayer Albums (09:34) ===

[02:02:09]  Kind of not knowing.
[02:02:11]  It wasn't a bad thing.
[02:02:12]  I mean, it's not a bad thing, but I kind of went through life not knowing how to do anything but fucking party.
[02:02:20]  You know what I mean?
[02:02:24]  I guess prison probably was the best thing that's ever happened to me.
[02:02:28]  Guaranteed.
[02:02:28]  Honestly, if I had to do it again the same way, I would.
[02:02:33]  Really?
[02:02:33]  Yeah.
[02:02:34]  Because you'd be dead if it was well, I can't die, but my life's a lot better.
[02:02:38]  Yeah, you can't die.
[02:02:39]  You're immortal, I guess.
[02:02:41]  That's right, dad.
[02:02:43]  Fuck off.
[02:02:43]  Tell me I'm not.
[02:02:47]  So, yeah, man, it's just weird how everything kind of just kind of keeps working out.
[02:02:52]  Yeah.
[02:02:54]  Learning shit.
[02:02:55]  I mean, I learn more from prison than I have from anybody in my whole life.
[02:02:59]  A lot of people that I've talked to that have been in prison for a long time say they've met a lot of their best friends in prison.
[02:03:04]  Well, I met a couple of buddies.
[02:03:05]  I mean, I'm going to say they're my best friends, but I still keep in touch with two of them.
[02:03:12]  Yeah.
[02:03:12]  Yeah.
[02:03:12]  Okay.
[02:03:13]  Shout out to Chunk and Doug.
[02:03:14]  Hello, Chunk.
[02:03:15]  Yeah.
[02:03:16]  What up, Doug?
[02:03:16]  What up, Doug?
[02:03:19]  Hey, Chunk, hit that truffle shuffle, bitch.
[02:03:23]  He's wider than he is tall.
[02:03:24]  Yeah, he's not.
[02:03:25]  My buddy's five foot tall and five foot wide.
[02:03:28]  Wow.
[02:03:28]  Yeah, it's kind of like that girl on Willy Wonka the blue one.
[02:03:32]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:03:32]  Okay.
[02:03:33]  Oh hell yeah, but he doesn't float he's like with really short hair.
[02:03:36]  He's super thick man.
[02:03:37]  He's like 10 C's He's like a full Snickers.
[02:03:42]  Oh kink size way way bigger Yeah Oh fuck so up back to heavy metal.
[02:03:54]  Yeah, where were we?
[02:03:55]  Heavy metal.
[02:03:56]  Heavy metal is the law.
[02:03:58]  Goddamn better believe it.
[02:04:00]  Heavy metal is the fucking law, and if you don't agree with that, then you just need to tune out right now because we don't have time for you.
[02:04:07]  Let's take a five second break so these nerds can fucking tune off.
[02:04:13]  A moment of silence for the nerds.
[02:04:14]  A moment of silence for the fucking nerds that think Metallica started at the black album.
[02:04:20]  Fuck you, fuck load, fuck reload and fuck anything after that.
[02:04:24]  I just found out that load is the album cover is actually blood and semen.
[02:04:30]  I always thought that the album cover was Guy Fieri's forearms.
[02:04:33]  It's real blood and semen Oh.
[02:04:35]  I just found that out.
[02:04:36]  Who's blood and who's semen?
[02:04:37]  I have two ideas.
[02:04:38]  Yeah.
[02:04:39]  It was the first time anybody has been taken to Flavortown.
[02:04:42]  Yeah.
[02:04:45]  Somebody called Billy Mays for the OxyClean.
[02:04:51]  Anyway.
[02:04:54]  Back to the heavy metal.
[02:04:55]  So while Jake was partying, doing all those things and doing all that shit, I discovered heavy metal, listening to Metallica Slayer and all the things that you find out early on in your journey through non commercial music.
[02:05:11]  Me and Shane went to a couple casualty shows.
[02:05:14]  Yeah.
[02:05:14]  A lot of casualty shows.
[02:05:15]  A lot of casualty shows.
[02:05:16]  That was one of the first shows I went to.
[02:05:18]  For sure.
[02:05:19]  Remember when who almost got beat up by the lead singer?
[02:05:22]  Was that Alex?
[02:05:23]  I think it was Alex.
[02:05:24]  It was probably Alex.
[02:05:25]  Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[02:05:26]  That sounds about right.
[02:05:27]  Yeah, I think he like the guy Jorge almost whooped his ass.
[02:05:31]  Who's not the lead singer anymore, actually.
[02:05:33]  Yeah, I remember them.
[02:05:35]  I don't know what.
[02:05:35]  We were crazy back then.
[02:05:36]  We would just like we would just wild out at those shows and throw beers on stage and fucking we were like 16, 17 drinking beers out there.
[02:05:45]  Yep.
[02:05:45]  Getting fucked up, but that was a good time.
[02:05:49]  Yeah, it was fun.
[02:05:52]  Yep.
[02:05:54]  So, you know, that whole thing progresses and you just dive down the bottomless pit that is like the legacy of heavy metal.
[02:06:02]  And it's just something that always stuck with me.
[02:06:04]  And I feel like once I discovered that I had my thing and the thing that like I could really own.
[02:06:12]  And as Jake was going through his thing, like I had my thing.
[02:06:14]  And, you know, as he was suffering through whatever he was suffering through and going through whatever he was going through with my parents, like I just had like my Slayer and Metallica albums.
[02:06:25]  And it's very typical, but sometimes typical and cliche is what you need to get through the really hard times.
[02:06:33]  And I always wanted him there and always wished that he could understand why this music was good and why there was something there for you.
[02:06:42]  There's something there for everybody.
[02:06:43]  No matter what emotion you're feeling, no matter what you're going through, you can throw on any one of those classic albums and work through it.
[02:06:53]  And it just stuck with me.
[02:06:56]  So you passed it to him?
[02:06:57]  Yeah, for some reason, like when we started writing and corresponding with each other while he was in jail.
[02:07:03]  Prison?
[02:07:04]  Prison.
[02:07:04]  Yeah.
[02:07:04]  Prison.
[02:07:06]  Thanks for bringing that up like that.
[02:07:09]  Not the feds.
[02:07:10]  Not the feds, though.
[02:07:11]  I just want to make sure I'm right.
[02:07:13]  I'm a bottom-of-the-barrel fucking criminal.
[02:07:18]  Cockroach criminal.
[02:07:19]  He got a music player, and he was able to buy, like, single MP3s.
[02:07:24]  Oh, yeah, yeah.
[02:07:24]  And as I was writing him, I would, like, tell him to download shit.
[02:07:27]  So I'd be like, download, like some Niall download some here's some Slayer.
[02:07:31]  Here's like some suicide silence or here's some this or whatever Slayer everybody should listen to.
[02:07:37]  A Slayer Die by the sword and I don't give a fuck like who's out there if you got like some shit to talk about it.
[02:07:43]  That first suicide Silence album is fucking amazing.
[02:07:45]  I don't care how true you think you are.
[02:07:47]  That shit fucking rips.
[02:07:48]  But anyway, Jake had that on his IPod or his prison pod at one point.
[02:07:53]  So if any, not my prison pocket, his prison, But it was smuggled in.
[02:07:58]  The prison pod was in the prison at one point.
[02:08:00]  It was in somebody's prison pocket.
[02:08:02]  Yeah, and then I just kept sending him stuff to listen to.
[02:08:06]  And, you know, I was going through my journey through heavy metal, playing shows, doing my thing.
[02:08:10]  And he was still just like locked up doing his thing.
[02:08:14]  And we all right.
[02:08:16]  I was getting close to him.
[02:08:17]  And you photoshopped some sweet pictures.
[02:08:19]  Like, yeah, Waffle House.
[02:08:20]  Yeah, me, Jake and Obama visited a Waffle House at one point.
[02:08:24]  Well, they got, okay, so funny about that was my dad's side of the family did not know I was in prison probably for four years.
[02:08:32]  I don't think we ever told Grammy.
[02:08:33]  Well, No, she knew.
[02:08:35]  Oh, yeah.
[02:08:36]  Because you slipped up and told one of our cousins.
[02:08:38]  So anyway.
[02:08:40]  I was doing loose Luke.
[02:08:42]  Is that me?
[02:08:42]  Luke.
[02:08:43]  Is that funky over here?
[02:08:44]  Oh, loose Luke.
[02:08:47]  That's what they call me.
[02:08:49]  My dad's side of the family thought I was a hotel manager in Tallahassee.
[02:08:54]  I thought you were cutting trees.
[02:08:55]  I was cutting trees in Fort Walton Beach for a while.
[02:08:59]  I was doing all this shit all over.
[02:09:02]  I guess they were embarrassed to tell them I was in prison or something.
[02:09:06]  Wait till they see this.
[02:09:07]  Yeah, I can actually get a load of this.
[02:09:09]  They're like, they're super fucking right-wing fucking Christian prophecy fucking weirdos.
[02:09:15]  Yeah.
[02:09:16]  And I guess that doesn't go with that.
[02:09:18]  Revelations.
[02:09:18]  Yeah, but nobody gives a fuck about our little family on my dad's side.
[02:09:23]  That's why we're here.
[02:09:23]  Who gives a fuck?
[02:09:24]  That's why we're in Florida.
[02:09:25]  Yeah.
[02:09:27]  So we started making plans for this thing called MDF.
[02:09:33]  That was when we were still working together.
[02:09:35]  Yep.
[02:09:36]  It was getting close to like a year.
[02:09:38]  Him being out, you got to buy tickets for it like probably like six to eight months out.
[02:09:41]  So I was like, fuck it.
[02:09:42]  I'm going like full fucking MVP package, spent like all the money getting all the wristbands, doing all the shit, getting everything lined up.
[02:09:49]  And it's like, hey, we're doing this.
[02:09:51]  Because the one thing that you need to get over something that's bothering you is you need a goal to work towards.
[02:09:57]  And I thought this was a really great thing for him to look forward to and also a really great thing for me to look forward to because I saw him getting out as the start of our actual relationship as brothers.
[02:10:09]  And I was just really grateful for that fourth chance that I got to be there and hang out and be cool and be human together.
[02:10:17]  And I was so pumped.
[02:10:18]  I told him and it got him through it.
[02:10:22]  Talking about it.
[02:10:23]  Yeah the whole time leading up to it like through your work release and everything and I'd bring him donuts while he was on work release and like we drink out drink coffee before you'd have to go to work and then like I'd come up to like Clearwater like jacked up off of like fucking four apple fritters and like quadruple Lattes from Lighthouse donuts.
[02:10:41]  Shout out to Lighthouse donuts.
[02:10:43]  No, we actually We never where was the work release?
[02:10:46]  Well, we never got quads We ordered quads one day lattes and the guy goes we don't do that Like it was just totally out of line that we wanted quadruple latte, yeah, yeah, and we got through it and we made it to the trip, yeah.
[02:11:01]  Oh, that was amazing, just kind of opened my eyes to that there's more to life than Pinellas County, Florida, yeah.
[02:11:09]  Um, although Pinellas County is a great place, this part of Florida is really great, it's really great if you're like 60 and coming down to and you're not an ex con fucking scumbag piece of shit, or if you're a washed up WWE wrestler, or a burned out fucking.
[02:11:27]  BTLS disc jockey.
[02:11:34]  Oh, man.
[02:11:37]  So what's next on the journey of Jake?
[02:11:39]  On the journey.
[02:11:41]  What are you looking forward to?

=== Moving to Philly Next (02:09) ===

[02:11:43]  Right now, me and my wife, Ryan, Ryan James, shout out.
[02:11:48]  Bow wow.
[02:11:48]  Bow wow.
[02:11:50]  We're moving to Philly on the 11th.
[02:11:52]  Moving up to Philly.
[02:11:53]  She's from there.
[02:11:54]  And just more work opportunity for a piece of shit like me.
[02:11:59]  She got a badass job up there.
[02:12:02]  Like any any city we go to we know somebody we can stay with and ride the couch and yeah shit like that and it's it's it's been awesome I met like I've met a lot of fucking cool people Just all over and it just makes you want to be like there's there's more to life than just right here.
[02:12:18]  Yeah right now where I'm living at.
[02:12:20]  Yeah, I've lived at my whole life cuz I mean the house I'm living in right now is across the street from the house me and Luke grew up in what would you say to what would you say to the 2007?
[02:12:31]  Jake James who's sitting right here.
[02:12:33]  Oh shit.
[02:12:35]  Thank you It's been a wild ride.
[02:12:38]  Oh, yeah.
[02:12:39]  No, it's been nuts man, but I mean it's just Who knows I kind of believe in all that like Don't change like I wouldn't change nothing just right if that's how it worked out.
[02:12:49]  You know what I mean?
[02:12:50]  Yeah, so everything's been forged and steel and so good man.
[02:12:54]  Yeah, I would go through all that again to be where I'm at right now Basically, yeah, it's been an epic journey.
[02:13:02]  Yeah, it really has I mean the whole thing it's like Maybe someday I will do something with myself, but you know what I mean?
[02:13:10]  But, I mean, I'm doing the best I can for what it is.
[02:13:15]  And, I mean, I love it.
[02:13:17]  I love my life right now more than anything.
[02:13:19]  That's awesome.
[02:13:20]  It didn't change anything.
[02:13:21]  Hell yeah, dude.
[02:13:22]  That was fucking legendary, dude.
[02:13:24]  Yeah.
[02:13:24]  Yeah, thanks for coming out, man.
[02:13:26]  Thanks for sharing, dude.
[02:13:27]  I know a lot of people will be able to take this and learn from it.
[02:13:30]  I'm sure there's a lot of people to relate to your story as well.
[02:13:34]  I doubt it.
[02:13:36]  I hope not.
[02:13:37]  Hope not.
[02:13:38]  But can I say one thing?
[02:13:40]  I know he's leaving.
[02:13:42]  And he's moving on to the next chapter of his life.
[02:13:44]  Yep.
[02:13:45]  So I hope you find what you're looking for, brother.
[02:13:47]  Cheers, boys.
[02:13:48]  Whether you think you can or you can't, you're right.
[02:13:51]  Never forget that.
[02:13:51]  Goddamn right.
[02:13:53]  What'd you just say?