Let’s Act to Save America, Interview with Sen Mike Lee | Triggered Ep.318
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It's been another massive week in the news and in so many different ways.
So we have yet another act of trans violence, which is becoming almost a daily occurrence.
And this clearly now is the most radical group in the country, and frankly, probably even in the world per capita.
And the consequences of ignoring this reality are deadly.
We've all been talking about it for a long time.
This is just another example.
Plus, today we'll talk with Senator Mike Lee, who is leading the charge on election integrity with the Save America Act.
And we'll get into all of the details with him then.
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Rhode Island's Mental Health Crisis00:03:45
And now, let's get into some of the top headlines.
And yet again, guys, we talk about something that happened this week in Rhode Island.
Another act of trans violence.
Trans violence is violence, guys.
Okay.
I know they've tried to pretend it's not there and they try to cover it up wherever they can.
They've probably covered up a lot more of it, but this just happened literally days after what we covered in the terrible tragedy that happened up in Canada about 10 days ago.
Monday afternoon in Pawtucket, Rhode Island, a gunman opened fire during a high school hockey game.
It was senior night.
Families were in the stands.
Kids were on the ice celebrating.
And a 56-year-old man named Robert Dorgan, who also went by the name Roberta Esposito.
Doesn't it feel like an episode of South Park?
It never ends.
Walked into the arena and just started shooting.
Here's the latest news on the incident.
He described that shooting suspect as her father.
She came out of the police department behind me here in tears after presumably being interviewed by police.
What was the reasoning?
Was there a family argument?
He has mental health issues.
So yes, she goes on to describe those mental health issues a little bit more.
She says that he had been struggling with mental health for quite some time.
She said, quote, he was very sick.
Two people are dead.
The victims were his own family.
According to multiple reports, he killed his ex-wife and one of his own children.
This man then walked into his own son's senior hockey night. during a game and opened fire on his family before killing himself.
This sicko identified as trans.
And at this point, it's not even shocking to learn that.
It feels like, it's almost like, because of course, here we go again.
never fails so what i can say right now that we have identified the person the suspect by a birth name The birth name was Robert Dorgan.
We have also learned that the person does go by the name of Roberta, also uses a last name of Esposito.
But again, that will be all confirmed throughout the course of the investigation.
As to their status, that really doesn't have anything to do with the investigation.
1969, he was born.
Guys, this is a pattern.
Last week, the school shooter in British Columbia was transgender.
This week, it's in Rhode Island.
The Covenant school shooting in Nashville, in Minneapolis, and so many more.
There's a growing list of these incidents.
And every single time, the regime media does everything in its power to memory hole the connection instead of asking maybe the hard questions about what the hell is going on here, which is what, and that enables, what enables this delusion at this point.
Jacking people up with hormones and drugs and telling them that they're victims is a cocktail for violence.
Zombie Filibuster Strategy00:15:16
It's never going to work out well.
There's no plausible way that could ever happen.
We're going to keep covering these sick stories.
We're going to keep pushing it out there.
And that's why we ask you to do the same.
Because if you turn on the mainstream news, man, it seems like the relevant details, the germane stuff that should be out there is just not getting covered.
And we're going to tell the truth about it because this is a global crisis.
It's why I keep saying that the stakes have never been higher to actually make sure we fulfill the America First agenda because people's safety and security is on the line.
And that starts and ends with actual election integrity.
So before we get to Senator Mike Lee, let's briefly talk about the Save America Act because Senator Lee has been on an absolute tear this week and he's not slowing down.
He's been fighting for election integrity for years.
He gets it.
He understands.
Last week, the House passed the Save America Act 218 to 213.
Every single Republican voted yes.
And of course, every single Democrat, except one, voted against it.
Think about that.
Think about what that tells you.
Democrats are voting unanimously, well, almost unanimously, minus one of 213, right?
Unanimously against requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote and a photo ID to cast a ballot.
That's their position.
That's where they're at.
And they want you to believe that they care about election integrity.
It's obviously just the opposite.
There's no other way to spin that credibly.
Now, the media will go through great lengths to make sure they do, but that is the reality of the situation that we're in.
Now, in the Senate, there are 50 GOP co-sponsors.
But with the so-called zombie filibuster still in place, Democrats don't even show up.
They don't have to kill the bill.
They don't have to stand on the floor.
They don't have to talk for 24 hours to keep it going and delay things.
They don't have to make their case.
They kill the bill without ever having to defend their position publicly.
So there's also then no record of them actually defending this insanity.
So let's actually enforce the talking filibuster, the original rules.
You want to block this bill, Chuck Schumer?
Fine.
Get on the floor, stand at that podium, talk.
Explain to the American people why you think it's a bad idea to make sure only citizens are voting in our elections.
Explain why showing a photo ID, something you need to buy cold medicine in some cases, to open a bank account, to get on an airplane, is somehow too much to ask before you cast a ballot for the leader of the free world.
Because Chucky Schumer actually used to sing a very different tune.
Once again, guys, here's a trip down memory lane.
Let's admit the truth.
Everywhere people go, they're asked for a social security card.
In fact, one way to prove you're a bona fide person who can have a job is to ask for a driver's license and a social security card.
This is an anti-fraud amendment.
All over where we go, people say, well, why can't you stop illegal immigrants or others from coming here?
And the number one answer we give our constituents is when they come here, they can get jobs, get benefits against the law because of fraud.
So as I said, the stakes have never been higher.
We have to fix this insanity if we want to save our country and if we want to save Western civilization.
Guys, joining me now, Utah Senator Mike Lee.
Mike, great to have you back on the show.
Thank you.
Good to be with you.
So, Senator, you co-authored the original Save Act, and it's now been upgraded to the Save America Act.
I like that as an act of branding, but with now actual voter ID provisions.
Can you walk us through the process and what made you and my father say that we really need to get this done and it matters more now than ever before?
Yeah, so as far as the bill itself, what gave the impetus for this was the realization that a few things had happened over the years.
So back in 1993, Congress passed a law called the National Voter Registration Act, the NVRA, sometimes it's called the motor voter law.
It allows people to register to vote and do so while applying for a driver's license.
You go in, you check a box, and you sign your name certifying that you're eligible to vote, and boom, you're registered.
A few decades go by.
The courts subsequently interpreted that statute wrongly but conclusively as prohibiting the states from engaging in any kind of effort after the fact to make sure that the person is in fact eligible to vote, that they're actually citizens.
Now, it's an absurd interpretation, but it's also final.
It's conclusive.
And in the meantime, a couple of other things happened.
You've now got nearly every state freely issuing driver's licenses to non-citizens.
That didn't used to be the case.
You got 19 of those states freely issuing driver's licenses even to known non and known illegal immigrants.
And then the worst part about it is that we had this horrible period between 2021 and 2025 when you had 10 to 15 million people coming into this country illegally.
Any one of those at any time could go in, apply for a driver's license, and just by checking a box and signing their name, they can certify that they are eligible to vote, including that they're citizens, which they're not.
And bingo, they've got full voting rights as if they were U.S. citizens, even though they are not.
So that's what caused us to file it.
About three or four weeks ago, the president made the suggestion, which I agreed with and with my House counterpart sponsor, Chip Roy, agreed with.
He said, look, you need to rebrand it as the Save America Act because it's descriptive.
It describes what this would do.
It would save America.
And you need to add a voter ID requirement, which was an easy thing to add because Chip and I from the very beginning did everything that we could to explore that possibility.
We concluded we were advised by some people it might make it harder to pass it together if we had those lumped together.
But the president's suggestion was a good one.
We added it and now we've got 50 sponsors in the Senate.
We're in really good shape.
We've just got to get it on the floor now and we've got to enforce the talking filibuster to get it passed.
So yeah, now that you have the 50 Senate co-sponsors, including Susan Collins, actually, that's sort of a welcome change.
It means you can pass the motion to proceed with the vice president there to break the tie.
How hard was it to get to that number?
And what were those conversations like to get these lawmakers on board?
You know, we were in good shape a few weeks ago.
I think we had, I think there were 50 of us on board before we made the name change.
It only, it took us two to three weeks between the time that we filed the Save America Act with the new provision added in.
It takes naturally some time to migrate all those same people who sponsored it before to get them on the new bill to make sure that they support the same thing.
We had to iron out some language that created some unfortunate ambiguities, but that's fixed now in order to get those people on.
And I had to make the case to them that this is legislation they could still support.
The fact that we were able to do that in only two or three weeks was itself a welcome surprise.
It's somewhat unusual that you can do it that quickly, but it was a great thing.
The heavier lift now is going to be getting it on the floor, getting it on the floor soon.
And most importantly, getting Senate Republicans, especially the Senate Republican leader, on board with the idea of enforcing the talking filibuster.
Yeah, so you've been very vocal about what you call the zombie filibuster, where Democrats can block a bill without ever having to set foot on the floor of the Senate.
Normally you'd have to get up there and you could have to speak for 24 hours and drone on and everything like that.
But now they have this stuff.
It's like, well, we don't have to show up to work and actually do the job.
We can just not show up and we can end it that way.
Explain to our audience how that works and why the talking filibuster is the way to beat it, because I don't think people realize they can just not show up.
And more importantly, then also not have a real record of them opposing such common sense legislation, which I think we want.
That's right.
So the word filibuster, when used in the context of the United States Senate, typically refers to the tradition reinforced by the Senate rules since the Senate came into existence in 1789.
It refers to the ability of each senator to continue debating and to a slim minority of all senators to be able to continue debate as long as they want, theoretically into infinity.
For the first 130 years of the Republic, roughly, that was the rule.
There was no limitation on that rule.
Starting in 1917, the Senate adopted a process known as cloture, where a supermajority of senators could shut down debate if they chose to do so.
Originally, it was three-fourths starting in 1917.
A few decades later, they changed it to two-thirds.
A few decades after that, they changed it to three-fifths, where it stands now.
So that's why it takes 60 votes to bring debate to a close.
But there is still another way to bring debate to a close so that you can pass it.
Remember, passage still is by a simple majority vote.
You don't pass by 60 votes.
You just force debate to a close.
But there's another way of doing it without cloture.
You exhaust them.
You either exhaust them or you get them to consent.
And by exhausting them, you get them to the point where they are more likely to consent, meaning you let them speak.
But we need to make them speak.
Because what's happened over the last few decades, John, is that you've got senators who are able to engage in what I call the zombie filibuster.
They have the benefits of filibustering, where they prolong debate, they delay.
They have the benefits of it, but they don't actually have to speak.
In fact, they don't even have to be in the Senate chamber.
They can be back in their office taking a nap, for that matter.
They can be at a bar.
For that matter, they can be half a world away at the Munich Security Conference, where a lot of the Democrats went a few days ago.
That was pretty epic, by the way.
I mean, seriously, don't think about it.
They just defunded.
They just sent the Department of Homeland Security into a shutdown.
And they said, yeah, okay, we're going to the Munich Security Conference.
It's absolutely absurd.
They shouldn't get the benefits of the filibuster without doing the work of the filibuster, especially whereas here we've got an issue that's like 85% supported by the American people.
And we can't let them get away with this.
We need to make them work for it on this one.
So more broadly, Mike, just to confirm, the zombie filibuster, these are just traditions.
It's not a statute.
It's not ingrained in the Constitution, the Bill of Rights or anything like that.
It's just like the blue slip stuff, right?
I mean, these aren't actually laws.
It's just traditions that have started, I guess, to make their lives easier, but actually probably negate or defeat the purpose of the original intention of the idea.
Yeah.
And in this circumstance, the more faithful application of the rules, I mean, I know the American people don't sit at home worrying about whether the Senate rules or traditions are being faithfully observed, but here, this is actually consistent with the Senate rules and with what the Senate traditions long were before we started allowing the zombie filibuster to rule the day.
The zombie filibuster thing works really well in some circumstances, but it works especially well if you don't want to have to work that hard when you oppose a bill.
I think we need to reinvigorate the Senate.
So if the talking filibuster is enforced, Chuck Schumer and the Democrats would have to physically stand up there on the Senate floor and explain specifically why they oppose requiring proof of citizenship to vote.
Do you think they can actually sustain that argument in front of the American people, especially as you mentioned, with 80, 85% of the people saying this makes total sense?
Do you think they can do that for any real length of time?
I think they could do it for a length of time.
I don't think they could do it in perpetuity.
I don't think they would want to do it terribly long, more than a few days or a few weeks at the most.
Because again, this is something the American people support.
Remember what happened?
I mean, you and I were not alive, but the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when it was opposed, the Senate made members get up and actually speak in response to it.
And over time, they realized that public opinion wasn't with them.
And over time, they relented, those opposing it after, you know, it did take a significant amount of time, but they got there.
And I think in this circumstance, we would end up passing it because they would realize that the American people weren't buying their frivolous arguments.
Because right now, Don, look at the arguments they're throwing up against this thing.
They're terrible arguments.
They're ridiculous.
The best they can come up with is, oh, this is Jim Crow 2.0.
Are you kidding me?
This is absolutely absurd.
Something like 75% of black Americans support this.
Something like 73, 74% of all Democratic voters support this.
Among Republicans, it's more like 90% and it averages out to 83, 84%.
So these arguments don't work because they're ridiculous.
They have nothing to do with Jim Crow.
And if these things are Jim Crow, do you know what else is Jim Crow?
The Oscars the Grammys, the Super Bowl, and the Democratic National Convention.
Because Don, to show up and participate at the Democratic National Convention, you got to show photo ID and you've got to prove that you have a right to be there and to participate in the DNC.
This is an absurd argument they're raising.
Avoiding Senate Nonsense00:14:24
Well, Leader Thune, Republican, has said there's no commitments on the talking filibuster and that it could tie up the floor for weeks.
He's talking about the opportunity cost, really.
I guess, you know, the farm bill, sanctions bill, other priorities.
You know, what's your message to Leader Thune and to senators who are hesitant about using up that floor time?
I've had this conversation with Leader Thune many, many times, and I'll restate what I've told him here.
If you're looking at opportunity cost, you've got to examine both sides of that coin.
It's not a close call.
So at the most, what?
We lose a few days to a few weeks.
But the opportunity cost on the other side is unacceptably high.
The opportunity cost of not doing this makes this an absurd thing to even consider not doing it.
Because if we don't do it, we leave our election system vulnerable to foreign manipulation, to fraud, whether domestically or from sources outside the United States or a combination of both.
We cannot afford to do this.
We can't afford it politically.
And our republic really does not need to be tested like this.
What we need is for the will of the American people to align with the law here and to align with common sense.
The Save America Act would do this.
This is malpractice for us not to take this up and pass it by whatever means necessary.
And here we've got a mechanism by which we can comply with every Senate rule with all of the best traditions of the Senate and get this thing passed.
All it takes is time and effort on our side, and it's time and effort well spent.
Yeah, I mean, Lisa Murkowski, a Republican, but not shockingly, came out against the bill among some of the other usual suspects.
What's your message to those who are standing in the way, especially a Republican?
Look, we have since the dawn of the Republic recognized that in order for the vote to matter, in order to protect the right to vote, you've got to make sure that people who are not entitled to vote don't.
I think that's pretty simple survival mechanism.
There's this old expression that if everyone's family, no one is.
And you can extrapolate that here to an entire nation.
If everyone is an American citizen, then no one is, especially when we've gone through periods of open border policies, as we have in recent years, where in a short period of time, we let in 10 to 15 million people who don't belong here.
It's possible now to get a driver's license in almost every state as a non-citizen and in 19 states, even if you're a known illegal immigrant.
And when the NVR makes it this easy, for somebody to go in and just by filling out a form, I want to apply for a driver's license.
You check a box, you sign your name, that's it.
You're going to have a lot of people registering to vote, whether intentionally to commit fraud or otherwise, becoming registered voters who don't belong in our voter rolls.
That cheapens your vote and my vote and that of every single American voter.
Are there no Democrats?
There's no common sense Democrats that say, hey, listen, this is an 85% issue, 80% issue.
At worst, in America, there's no Democrats in the Senate that would actually say, hey, you know what?
This actually makes sense.
I get it.
It's against party lines, but we're going to break those party lines and, I don't know, maybe represent the people we're there to represent.
No Senate Democrat has come out yet to say that they would support this bill.
That said, a couple of things to keep in mind.
Number one, I believe three Democrats in the House of Representatives ended up voting for it.
I'm stunned that it was that low, but still there were some Democrats who did that.
Number two, my colleague John Fetterman, a Democrat from Pennsylvania, has indicated that voter ID requirements are not unreasonable.
He has yet to come out in support of this bill.
Number three, I believe that there are probably more votes than John Fetterman that could be gotten on this if we actually put it on the floor.
They may or may not be enough to get us to 60, but I think over time, as they have to stand there on the floor of the Senate and defend their position and speak in order to prolong debate, in order to forestall passage of this thing, I think we find more converts because their position is not defensible.
Yeah, I mean, Democrats claim that over 21 million Americans lack the documents this bill would require, particularly married women with name changes, low-income voters and minorities.
Again, they're calling it the new Jim Crow.
But can you separate fact from fiction in all of this?
Because, I mean, you need a voter, you need an ID to do pretty much anything these days.
You would think doing it one time to be able to register to vote doesn't seem all that complicated.
Right.
You need photo ID to go to the doctor to pick up a prescription.
You need a voter ID.
You need a photo ID to board a plane for a lot of bank transactions to withdraw money from an account.
I mean, the list goes on and on about things that we accept that you have to do this.
And it's not just with the commercial world.
It's also to interact with government agencies, whether it's the Social Security Office or to buy a hunting license or to buy a phishing license to apply for welfare benefits.
You've got to identify yourself.
So if this is Jim Crow, so are all these things.
Now, Don, as to the more specific question about this bill, this is one of the best arguments against what the Democrats are saying, which is absurd anyway.
But one of the best arguments there is, even if you were prepared to call all those things from TSA to Social Security, welfare benefits, all these other interactions, even if you were to call all those Jim Crow, you'd be crazy, by the way, to call them that.
That's stupid.
That's absurd.
And it's insulting to a lot of people Democrats claim to be defending in doing that.
But set that aside for a minute.
Even if you were to accept all of that, You still would have to ignore the fact that this bill makes it far easier to prove who you are.
Even if you're someone who doesn't have those documents, maybe you never had them to begin with.
Maybe you had them, but your house burned down, your dog ate them, whatever.
You don't have time or money to go through the effort to replace them.
There's still other ways by which you can prove your identity here.
This makes it so much easier than any other system that I'm aware of to prove your identity if you lack documentation.
If nothing else, you can do it by affidavit.
You can, by personal attestation, describe who you are and then allow the state receiving your voter registry forms to ascertain the validity of them on its own and put the burden on them.
It's never been easier to do this.
By the way, every American, I left out one key parallel that makes the Democrats' arguments that much more absurd.
You know, every time you start a new job with a new employer as an employee, every single time, every American citizen has to fill out an I-9 form.
The I-9 form requires very specific documentation.
I believe it's typically a combination of either a U.S. passport, which a lot of people don't have, or if you don't have a passport, then I think it's an original certified copy of your birth certificate and your social security card.
But it's a very rigid set of documents you have got to produce.
This is way easier than that.
This has far more flexible options than that has.
So you would have to call all employers and the U.S. government forms that you have to fill out when you start new employment, Jim Crow as well.
This doesn't hold water.
This is a red herring.
It's a straw man.
It doesn't work.
We're going to win this.
We have to win it.
The only thing stopping us is our own will as Senate Republicans.
But we've just got to do it.
We've got to show up and do the extra work of enforcing the talking filibuster, and I believe we will win.
So can this get done before the 2026 midterms?
I mean, I guess that's the big question that everyone's really asking.
You know, what is the timeline for making this happen?
You see all that's going on.
The Democrats now in Virginia and Maryland, they're gerrymandering, you know, states that are, you know, their Democrat majority, but it could be, you know, 52, 48, 53, 47.
And yet they want to basically have almost the entire congressional map being there led by Democrats.
You see what they're trying to do.
This seems like it's a big part of it.
Can that happen in a reasonable timeframe to make sure that people can actually vote in these elections and get it done right to make sure that they don't have the extra boosting of all the illegals that you and I believe were voting in the last few elections?
Yeah, it can.
It needs to happen.
And one of the things that I'm most worried about is getting in place well in advance of any elections so that you don't have a flood of new registrants with all the talk about the Save America Act.
If we don't actually do it now, you could see a flood of people registering for the first time who don't have any business registering to vote because they're not citizens.
We've got to prevent that.
And I think the best way, perhaps the only way to do that, we've got to pass this soon.
I think it needs to be in the month of March.
I don't think it should go much longer than that.
And that's why I've been encouraging my colleagues for us to take this up soon after the State of the Union address.
The president's scheduled to deliver that on Tuesday, the 24th of February, a week from today, I believe.
I think we ought to take it up right after that.
Now, they threw us for a ripple in that the Democrats defunded the Department of Homeland Security and then fled the country from Munich.
In my view, we should not have taken that recess.
I think that was a big mistake.
I told my colleagues that before we left.
If the Democrats want to defund DHS, they darn well ought to be required to stay, not leave the country, abandon their plans until they're willing to give us a reasonable path to getting it funded.
So we got to deal with that now.
But I hope as soon thereafter as possible, we'll take it up and force the talking filibuster and get this thing passed.
So if this bill were to die in the Senate, what does that mean for the 2026 midterms and for election integrity in general going forward?
And, you know, what do you say to Americans who are watching this fight and wondering if Washington will ever actually secure our elections?
Yeah.
Look, this is one of these questions where I ask myself, if not us, who?
And if not now, when.
This ship may not pass this way again.
If we don't do this, I believe we are jeopardizing the majority that we have in the Senate, the majority that Republicans have in the House.
And we don't want to do either of those things.
We don't want to lose either chamber.
We've seen that movie before.
We know what it looks like.
I know better than most.
Trust me.
You do.
Trust me.
I do indeed.
Yeah, my 50 hours of congressional testimony.
I know I'm going to be doing it again.
If that happens, it is what it is.
It's nonsense.
It's going to be contrived.
But, you know, the problem with nonsense is you still have to deal with nonsense, even if it's nonsense.
Exactly.
Exactly.
But we can avoid a lot of that nonsense if we get this thing passed.
If we don't, I really do think that we lose majorities for multiple reasons, not just for the opportunities for fraud that that opens up, but also what it does to our own base.
You know, we've got to rely on our own voting base, our most loyal, faithful, firm-believing voters.
And I'm hearing from people all over my state and across the country.
If you guys don't get this, a lot of us aren't going to show up in November.
By the way, I hear that as well.
And I'm sure the Democrats know that, but it's like, you know, can you just get something done?
And, you know, again, they're not wrong.
And I think they mean well.
I don't think as many people fully sort of appreciate what we're up against, right?
It's, you know, you have your ideas.
I think we're aligned on many of these things.
But, you know, the media narrative that's out there, I mean, this is a simple thing.
You know, you need proof of citizenship to register and an ID to actually vote.
I mean, that's the general thesis of all of this.
This is basic, basic stuff.
Again, doesn't mean that the obstacles aren't great.
Doesn't mean that the media narrative can't move things despite the general lack of trust in the media today.
It still doesn't matter.
There's people that don't pay attention to this stuff, like maybe people watching this show, or you and I.
But I imagine from the Democrat perspective, part of it is about making sure this doesn't happen simply to demoralize that base and make sure it doesn't happen.
I know I spoke to my father on President's Day just to wish him a happy President's Day.
Now that he's 79, I'm like, you know what?
I'd rather call you on President's Day than your birthday because the birthday call is a little bit more depressing once you get up in there into those years.
So we laughed about that.
But I mean, for him, I mean, this is a number one priority.
He said as much.
Yeah.
And I've spoken to the president many times over the last few months about this issue specifically.
I talked to him for a couple of hours a week ago, Friday, in the Oval Office.
I called him immediately after the House passed the Save America Act last week.
And we had a great conversation about it.
And I encouraged him to keep up the talk, keep up the encouragement for us to do this, which he has done as recently as yesterday when he was on Air Force One.
So I'm so grateful for President Trump's help with this.
He's been an indispensable force as he is with so many other things.
And with his help, I think we can get the courage that we need out of Senate Republicans.
Even if we were dealing with a lack of courage here, even if we were just talking about people acting out of fear alone, it's not the best place to act.
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But even for those who are operating from a position of fear, what they should fear is not passing this.
And we're guaranteed that we won't pass it if we don't try this.
So that's the message we've got to continue to send.
Senate Republicans, don't mess this up.
Don't lose this opportunity.
This is a great opportunity and don't incur the horrible things that we could experience if we don't get it passed.
It's going to take some work.
It's going to take some effort.
It's going to take long hours and commitment.
And no, we don't have an absolute guarantee on victory, but we have an absolute guarantee of loss if we don't do it.
So let's get it done.
So, Senator, constitutionally, what are the parameters of Article 1 and Article 2 as it relates to election integrity?
Is there any case precedent here?
There is some case precedent, but there's nothing that inhibits us from acting.
There is precedent that backs up our authority to prescribe needful rules and regulations concerning federal elections.
Article 1, Section 4 of the Constitution makes that pretty clear.
And for those, this is another amusing argument that some people will occasionally throw out.
And you're starting to see it from some Democrats who will throw out federalism and just say, well, we don't want Congress to take over elections.
You know, the irony in that is that the impetus for this whole project, the whole reason why it became necessary was because of an existing federal law, of an interpretive error made by the courts in construing an existing federal law.
This is an effort to fix that federal law.
The NVRA passed in 1993 and later bastardized by the courts to say that the states were not even allowed to check somebody's citizenship, even if they had reason to believe it needed to be checked.
There's nothing in the NVRA that supports that, but that is the conclusive opinion of the courts, backed up by a Supreme Court opinion, which was wrong, up against a very strong dissent by my former boss, Justice Alito, who pointed out how absurd it was.
But that is now the precedent and that stands.
So for those who are arguing that there's no federal authority here, this is an improper federal takeover, nonsense.
Article 1, Section 4 of the Constitution gives us that power, and we have a moral imperative to fix a manifest error made by the Supreme Court in interpreting that law.
What can regular citizens do to kind of help motivate their representatives, both Democrat and Republican, about this?
Again, if it's an 80, 84% issue, what can they do to let their legislatures know that, hey, you guys better do something about this?
It's hard for senators to completely ignore public conversations when they get a flood of calls and emails.
And those calls or emails are also consistent with what people are saying in op-eds submitted to newspapers and more recently, social media activity, posts, commentary, videos, things like that, in which people say, look, we really ought to pass this.
And whether you're represented in the Senate by Democrats or Republicans or one of each, you ought to reach out to your senators in whatever method you deem most accessible to you and most comfortable to you to use.
And just tell them in no uncertain terms, I expect you to do this.
Now, if you are represented by Republicans or at least one Republican, the message you need to send to Republican senators specifically is don't blow this.
You've got this alignment, which for Republicans is regrettably rare.
We want to not make it rare or unheard of going forward.
We need to not lose majorities in either chamber of Congress.
And if you want to get that done, if you want us to show up for you in November, and if you want us by showing up in November to have the ability to make sure that those majorities are preserved, if you want the ability to maintain a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, and by that, we mean the American people, not whatever person happens to stumble into our land,
not a citizen who wants to make this their government and exercise a right to vote that doesn't belong to them, then get this done and enforce the talking filibuster.
That message needs to be made loudly and clearly to Republican senators in particular.
Enforce the talking filibuster to pass the Save America Act.
You don't have to do it on every bill, but you got to do it on this one.
So, and then you obviously have to target and go after Lisa Murkowski to make sure she knows that as the lone sort of Republican senator against this to get on board.
But you mentioned John Fetterman of Pennsylvania, Democrat.
Hey, he sort of said some of this stuff could be common sense.
If there was a handful of Democrats that people could reach out to, who do you think would be the best targets there to get common sense?
You're not going to get Chuck Schumer to ever agree to this.
But if Fetterman's a reasonable guy, if they're going to take their time and energy, who would be maybe the handful of people you'd recommend targeting that you think, hey, maybe there's a chance there?
I would start with Fetterman and with any Democrat who's up for re-election in 2026, particularly if they're up for re-election in a state that has in the near past voted for President Trump or in the near past has elected Republican senators.
One name that comes to mind is Senator John Osoff from Georgia.
Now, John Osoff, interestingly enough, held a campaign rally in Georgia recently in which he made known, I think, on his website, but even if it was not made known on his website, in order to get into his campaign rally, you had to show up to the campaign rally with a photo ID.
So if this is Jim Crow, then that was a Jim Crow rally.
Of course, it's not Jim Crow.
He's not a supporter of Jim Crow.
And so this is a good opportunity for all of us to recognize that these are legitimate policies.
I don't begrudge him from doing that.
I do strongly disagree with him if he thinks the Save America Act is not defensible.
And I think this would be a good move for him.
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Excellent.
Well, Senator Mikely, thank you so much.
Keep up the good fight.
It's really important.
Just appreciate that you're out there doing it.
Great seeing you.
Thanks so much.
Good to see you, Don.
Let's get together again soon.
Take care.
Look forward to it, buddy.
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