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April 28, 2025 - Triggered - Donald Trump Jr
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MAHA Means Business, Interview with Calley Means | TRIGGERED Ep.237
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Hey guys, welcome to another huge episode of Triggered.
On this show, we talk about draining the swamp.
We talk about it all the time.
And honestly, the swamp inside our food, our medicine, and our health might be the deepest and most dangerous of them all.
For decades, they've gotten us addicted to processed junk, relying on foreign entities for essential medicines, medicines that are often riddled with chronic disease-causing things.
It never seems to end.
All while major food giants and companies and their rich lobbyists just keep getting richer.
But now, the Maha movement is changing all of that.
And today, we'll be joined by Kaylee Means.
He's the founder of TrueMed, co-author of Good Energy, and now, crucially, he's a senior advisor to Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Kaylee's working to implement the Maha, Make America Healthy Again agenda, and completely shake up the system.
Kaylee's on the front lines, and he's here to tell us exactly what's going on.
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Joining me now, founder of TruMed, co-author of Good Energy, special government employee at the White House for Maha, Kaylee Means.
Well, Kaylee, thanks again for joining.
Now that you're working with HHS, you're actually in the White House.
I like that.
A little bit more formal than I sometimes see, which is, you know, I'm not that formal, so I like to keep it chill.
But now that you're working with HSS, I'd love to just get a general inside look on like where things have gone as we really near this sort of first hundred days, specifically when it comes to ending the childhood chronic disease crisis.
What are the key Maha aligned actions being pushed with within HHS and across the government right now?
Don, it's been amazing.
Yeah, we're all wearing suits here, but there are so many warriors in this building working to fight.
And I think it's really about institutional change.
I think Maha is part of what you're seeing in the first 100 days for a lot of institutions where we're talking about big things.
We're talking about fundamentally changing the incentives of our military industrial complex, of our trade imbalances that have hauled out the middle class, of government efficiency and of health.
And I think it really interestingly happened with Harvard.
So they're they're pulling funding for Harvard and they're talking about the taxism status.
So what does this actually mean and what does this mean for health?
I think it's very interesting.
You have academia and the media react with just horror, with with no humility whatsoever for why people would question these.
institutions. Then you look at Harvard, they've gotten tens of billions of dollars of federal research dollars, NIH grants.
And we asked them a simple question, what have those grants done to improve American health?
There's so much money going.
And they answered that they helped some marginal pharma R&D development.
They've been an outsourced lab for pharma.
That's literally, they sent a document with just drug help.
No foundational research they could cite on why people are getting sick.
So it's one example where all of these institutions, the $5 trillion we spent on health care, are really incentivized, 95 percent of it, until after we get sick.
And that's why these battles with some of these institutions that have underlied that system are really, really important.
But it's true NIH reform.
Jay Bhattacharya, who was a pariah of the medical system, they tried to fire him at Stanford.
He's now leading the NIH.
He's trying to steer that money to foundational research why we're getting sick.
Marty McCary, incredible leader, comes into the FDA.
He says, why is the FDA funded by pharma right now?
Why are there no conflict of interest rules?
Why have seven of the previous eight FDA commits?
We're going to clean up that.
Root cause institutional corruption.
And then CMS, Dr. Oz, that's $2 trillion they spend.
You know, that's double the defense and intelligence budgets.
Where is that money going?
He asked the states for that information.
They don't even have it.
They won't give it to them.
We don't even know where that $2 trillion is going and whether that's benefiting American patients and American health.
I think it's the trend of this administration so far.
They're getting to the root cause of transparency.
They just want to know the information so that we can ask, how can we spend that money in an effective way to actually spur health when right now we're the sickest country in the developed world?
Yeah, I mean, that's sort of amazing.
I mean, I never knew the numbers.
I knew they were big, but I didn't realize it's...
Twice our defense budget, just for one aspect of that, right?
I guess that's NIH.
I mean, that doesn't include some of the bigger ones, even.
And you're right.
No measurable gains.
I mean, at least with the military, it's like, okay, well, we have a couple planes, but we're spending trillions of dollars and no accountability, no nothing.
And of course, like everything else that we've done in MAGA, with MAHA, it's like, well...
We have to show you what we're doing with your trillions of dollars?
How dare you?
I mean, look at what they're doing with Doge.
I mean, are you seeing that same thing, which is just a pushback because people have been getting, you know, just fat at the trough.
They've been there.
They've never had to do anything.
Everyone's making millions.
No one's actually doing anything.
And they don't want the gravy train to stop.
Don, this is my most shocking for me observation from being here trying to help Secretary Kennedy is that I'll be honest.
There's important policy and complex policy we need to discuss on Medicare, Medicaid policy, on pesticides, on our farming system.
Our farmers are suffering.
There's complicated policies.
But what the lobbyists are fighting against is simple transparency.
They are coming in and arguing that we can't see Medicare, Medicaid data where we're spending those trillions of dollars because it's going to confuse patients.
That we can't see data on pesticides and food dyes and other food ingredients because that's going to scare.
There's actually an all-out assault from lobbyists who don't even understand what they're saying, but actually saying the American patient isn't sophisticated enough to see the full data sets of the NIH studies, isn't sophisticated enough to see research on the COVID vaccine,
isn't sophisticated enough to understand the FDA data sets, which we do not have access to.
Jay Bhattacharya has called us out.
If you rerun the trials that underlie FDA approvals...
40-50% of those trials can't be replicated.
So our entire drug approval system right now, if you just give those studies back and have a scientist rerun them...
Can't be replicated again.
And there's a fight to prevent the American taxpayer from even getting that basic information.
You know, again, this Maha agenda, what they're trying to do at its core, is institutional change, starting with transparency so patients can make the right decisions.
There's a fight to even get bad.
And I think the message coming from HHS and Secretary Kennedy is there are big policy conversations to have, but we are not going to negotiate or take lobbyist input on transparency.
A lot of people may not be sophisticated enough, but I'm sure there's plenty of scientists who aren't on the dole, who aren't on the payroll, who could look at this and be like, wow, that's really bad.
If it's going to scare a customer, maybe there's a reason it should scare a customer.
Because again, if you look at the results of what has happened to our health...
You mentioned sort of being the least healthy of the developed world.
I'm sure we spend more than any other country on these things.
Something's gone awry.
It's not like it's working.
It's not like it's going well and there's an occasional slip through the crack.
I mean, our kids are fat.
They're sick.
We're obese.
We're unhealthy.
And you're right.
We don't try to prevent that.
We only try to fix it once we already know you're sick, which I imagine is a lot more expensive than preventing people from getting sick in the first place.
When Secretary Kennedy was...
What was sworn in, which you, Don, had an amazing, huge impact on doing.
People don't even know how much we were working behind the scenes.
But the American people really pushed him in there, and it was an incredible victory.
President Trump signed an executive order, and it said in 100 days, so this is going to be May 22nd, it would be great to have you there, but President Trump, Bobby Kennedy, and a lot of the cabinet are going to be releasing a report on the trends in American health.
We spend three times more per capita than any European country, and we are living seven years less than the Italians.
We have demonstrable...
Who, by the way, still smoke most of the time.
I mean, it's like...
They're smoking, they're drinking wine, they're eating pasta.
They eat carbs every meal.
No, no, every meal.
Every meal, they're eating pasta.
They do have higher smoking rates.
And they all look great.
They look great there.
And they're living seven years longer.
They have significantly lower rates of diabetes, Alzheimer's, obesity, heart disease.
So we're putting together a report.
With great scientists.
And we're going to talk about that.
And, yeah, you talk about the sophistication of the American patient.
I actually think they are sophisticated.
I think Americans want to be healthy.
I think they're right.
I think the Maha moms are right when they say something's not quite right.
Right now, you know, when I talk about that $2 trillion we spend from CMS, the medical standard of care when a kid is sad is to give them an SSRI, an antidepressant.
They've doubled in prescription rates among teens.
25% of women.
Don, 25% of women are on a psychiatric medication.
I mean, this is the standard.
That's why the NIH research that says, oh, everyone needs SSRIs, it goes into where the money goes.
And it is vital.
That the American people, and we can open source this data, our friends, Elon's friends who run the data and great scientists can run that data.
Is the spend on SSRIs working for us and lowering rates of depression?
Is the fact that 40% of men over 40 on a statin, is that the right intervention all the time when you have high cholesterol?
Hundreds of billions were spending a year on cancer therapeutics, lowering cancer rates.
We actually, Don, this is one of the most shocking stats from this report.
There's 212 countries they measure cancer rates for.
We are the highest of the 212.
The United States, all developing and developing countries.
We have the highest cancer rates of any society in the history of human civilization.
Right now, this year.
It's like, is the spend going to the right place?
That is the key.
That is the fight of this movement right now and what the administration is trying to do.
Let's get the data so patients and policymakers can understand what we're working with here and make better decisions.
Yeah, like, what about autism?
You know, when I look at the stat...
Listen, I'm old.
I'm not that old.
But I didn't know anyone with autism there.
Now it's like everyone, you know, somewhat on the spectrum, it feels like.
I mean, that didn't just happen out of nowhere.
We didn't just magically become that.
You know, it's not just purely what we're breathing.
It's got to also be what we're eating because we consume a lot of food and a lot of it's bad.
And if I look at, I spend a lot of time traveling, a lot of time on the road.
If I'm in Europe, the ingredient list is a lot shorter.
And these are developed countries.
In the UK, it's like, here's the ingredients for an Oreo cookie in America.
Here it is.
And it's a bunch of crap I can't pronounce and have no idea what it is.
Okay.
Autism is a great point.
And I know you as a parent see this.
And frankly, the Maha moms, millions of them, first-time Trump voters, this...
This election came because there's so much anxiety about this issue.
This week, Secretary Kennedy said we're going to figure out what the cause of autism is.
He has been relentlessly attacked.
Elizabeth Warren today just absolutely, you know, said this is shameful that we're litigating autism.
I mean, where is the respect for the what?
Don, it's one in 20 boys.
Why wouldn't we?
Why wouldn't we want to know?
I mean, I don't even understand.
It's so out of bounds, right?
Yeah, I saw that.
Hey, I guess he said he was going to release the report on where the—oh, they're going to do it by September.
How are you going to do that?
Well, maybe we actually take some of that money that we're funneling to fake science and actually put it into real science, and maybe we figure this out, because we should know.
Or maybe we get the data that we already have showing the autism diagnosis, and we're blocked from seeing this data on what the other factors are.
Clearly, Don, the fact that 1 in 20 boys now—and this was released this week—1 in 20 boys in the United States have autism.
Could this be related to the— Rapid rise of obesity, which they say autism is a diagnosis issue.
Well, is the rise of obesity a diagnosis issue?
Because I'm seeing a lot more obese kids.
Is the rise of diabetes?
Is the rise of kidney issues?
Is the rise of cancers?
Every single chronic condition, including autism, it's going up all at once.
Clearly, clearly this is tied to a multifactorial set of issues, but food being one of them.
So we're meeting with the food industries, right?
And we're talking to them.
And again, there's complicated policies to discuss.
But there is a war to study the ingredients that are already in our kids' food.
I'll give you one example with all the cereals that you see and the different ingredients.
The second most used pesticide in the country is atrazine.
This is banned in every other country.
It mostly comes from China.
This is the chemical...
Alex Jones was kind of made fun of for saying it turns the frogs gay.
Because it does.
It is a mass hormone disruptor.
And actually, no scientists would disagree with this.
It dramatically increases estrogen, okay?
And we're talking to the food industry, and again...
Pesticides are complicated.
We've got to support the American farmer.
I think we're all aligned on a future where we're creating great healthy food, but I'm not talking about policy.
I want to know the truth.
So we ask them, okay, if atrazine is so safe, would you sign your kid up for a study at the NIH where we give half the group, maybe your kids, an atrazine pill every day for two years and half the group a placebo and see what happens?
And they say, of course not.
That's unethical.
So you literally have these folks, including the pharma industry, saying we don't have enough research to take this poison out of the food.
And then when you suggest the research, which would clearly be a placebo-randomized control study where half the group takes an atrazine pill or a titanium dioxide pill or a BHT pill or a food coloring pill, all these ingredients that are banned in every other country, let's test it.
The message from this administration is let's start with transparency.
But I think it is a very interesting sign if we...
Submit a study to the NIH to test an ingredient that is in 60% of kids' food, and it's considered unethical by the scientific community to even test this ingredient that's already in the food.
That's what's happening right now.
So they do this circular loop.
I mean, isn't the sort of evidence that it's banned in every other country?
Meaning, you know, for a change, it'd be nice if, like, we just take other people's information rather than spending trillions of dollars to figure out the obvious.
They didn't just ban it for no reason.
I'm sure they did studies, and if they found that it was bad...
Isn't that enough?
I mean, it feels like that's enough for me.
Like, I don't want to eat it.
I don't like giving Europe any credit.
I don't like giving Europe any credit.
But if every other country, literally in the world, is doing something, and we're the outlier, and then our health outcomes are total outliers and our health costs, you know, when we talk about government efficiency, it's health care costs.
I mean, these are the biggest drivers of U.S. inflation, U.S. spending.
We should at least take note.
Yes, Don, that's absolutely an argument we're making.
It's not a veto on our policy, but we should certainly take note.
And I will say something that's heartening.
While lobbyists, and we can talk about the soda industry too, which has been very interesting, they obviously are there to protect their interests.
They, as humans, do understand that there's a crisis, and that's what we're going to talk about on May 22nd.
And I do think something...
President Trump and Secretary Kennedy are doing is they're starting to change the conversation.
I know you as a parent and many parents are looking at the labels a little bit more.
I was recently reading the Wall Street Journal of the food industry.
The number one threat they said to junk food is not Ozempic or anything else.
It is that Americans, because of President Trump, because of Bobby Kennedy, because of this totally unlikely alliance, they're culturally waking up to caring about what they're feeding their kids.
That's a great thing.
And actually, it helps American farmers.
This is why Brooke Rollins has been such an incredible advocate with Bobby.
She's crisscrossing the country with him on these SNAP reforms and other food reforms.
The more we can get Americans...
To understand what they're putting in their child's body, that's a boom to American farmers.
Right now, we're profiting often international conglomerates making this process crap.
This is going to be a heyday for American farmers as Americans get healthier.
Yeah, I mean, you mentioned SNAP.
I mean, we've seen, obviously, in this whole process, even in 90 days or so, the swamp very much still has teeth.
We're seeing it.
In these efforts to reform SNAP, to get rid of soda.
I mean, there's other things you can put.
You don't have to drink soda.
That's probably not the best place to get your calories, especially, you know, on the government dole.
You've been exposing some of the nefarious special interests trying to stand in the way of that.
Well, you know, what else do people need to know?
I mean, you mentioned, you know, the lobbyists and pharma, but I mean, it does feel like big food.
Maybe a worse culprit than all of them.
At least pharma, you know, sometimes they are developing things that can actually help people.
And some of it you need.
It doesn't mean, you know, I've had high cholesterol my whole life.
I don't want to get on a statin because I did the research and I'm like looking at it.
I'm like, I don't know.
I had high cholesterol when I was a D1 rower in college.
I had a 34 resting heart rate.
It was like, eh, may not be the best thing for me to be on this thing for 65 years, right?
Doesn't mean it may not work for some people.
But food is unavoidable.
You got to eat food every day.
Yeah.
I totally agree with you on pharma.
I mean, I think punches should be thrown and it's politics.
But we are at the dawn of AI and we all want a robust pharmaceutical industry that's creating therapeutics to help reverse and prevent disease and promote longevity.
Agree with you on that.
And there should be a good mutual handholding there and some announcements to come.
On food, you're absolutely right.
And let me just take it to this case study.
If you want to talk about Maha victories, just look at what's happening with soda and snap.
So the food industry, and this is where I started my career.
15, 17 years ago, when I was in D.C., I helped the American Beverage Association pay off the NAACP, and the NAACP started saying it was racist to take the subsidy for soda off SNAP.
So let me break this down.
Food stamps are the fourth largest entitlement program.
It's something Elon's focusing on a lot.
It's $140 billion a year.
So 15% of the American people, the low-income American folks, depend on this program from nutrition.
It's Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.
More than 10% goes to soda.
So right now, there is a $10 billion plus subsidy going from the federal treasury to soda companies for a program that is supposed to supplement nutrition food.
There is nothing, you know, nobody's banning Coke.
President Trump loves his Diet Coke.
Like, it's a free country, 100%.
But we should not be subsidizing.
Sugary drinks, which are a weapon of mass destruction for a child's blood sugar, with a government assistance program.
That's a no-brainer.
That's a no-brainer.
It is impossible to argue against that.
That is a material part of Coca-Cola and Pepsi and these companies' revenue.
I mean, you do the math, you know, it's 10, 20 percent of their revenue is coming from the federal government to give soda to lower-income people.
But this has been something they fought.
This is something nobody ever thought would change.
But because the momentum for Secretary Kennedy, President Trump and the Maha agenda, governors started requesting SNAP waivers.
So governors have control of SNAP and they can request to take soda off.
And the Biden administration refused to accept those waivers.
There are actually a couple already inspired by Secretary Kennedy.
Secretary Rollins and Secretary Kennedy said, we're open for business.
Bring on the waivers.
And now you have 25 states, governors and legislators reforming SNAP and other parts of our food system and school lunches.
and Secretary Rollins and Secretary Kennedy are crisscrossing the country and the American Bevers Association
They said they've never been more surprised.
They've never been more slide swept.
They've never in their history of the big food industry have seen a bigger grassroots uprising and been more caught off guard than what's happening right now.
States around the country are taking soda off SNAP and saying that the SNAP dollars should go to American farmers, not soda companies.
This is going to have a demonstrable impact in child's health.
To me, Don, it's pretty simple.
We need to stop subsidizing crap for kids.
And we need to stop the health care incentives that profit from kids being sick.
We're attacking those incentives.
And, yeah, it's just that simple.
You need to go against the lobbyists who are trying to get government money to the wrong things.
So you mentioned 25 states.
That's half the country.
Are there any blue states in there, or are they just sort of in on it because they've been equally well taken care of?
Because, I mean, it all sort of feels like it's tied back to the political donation machine.
Oh, it's wild, Don.
I'll give a couple shout-outs to blue states.
But I will say, I've learned something in this health issue, that the most serious disease in the country right now is TDS, Trump derangement syndrome.
And it has reached stage four for many on the left and in the media.
And it's created this incredible dynamic where you have states around the country.
These clips have gone viral where you have Democratic lawmakers passionately arguing for why we need to keep government's funding for soda.
This is something the left used to you know, this was reversed, right?
The left was more skeptical.
This is something that they used to support.
No, you've had some shameful situations where the Democratic governors of Kansas and Arizona after the legislature passed a bill.
It's indefensible.
It's totally indefensible.
There are a couple Democratic governors, some brave ones we're talking to.
But unfortunately, on the SNAP reform, we're going to see over 10 states doing these waivers just in a month.
And by my list, they're all red states now.
So, Don, I want to change health care.
I mean, we all want to see healthier kids.
The strategy, to be blunt.
Is that we're going to keep ramming wins from President Trump, from Secretary Kennedy.
And I think the left is just going to have to play ball because this is an unimpeachable issue, right?
Soda for kids, studying autism, the grass standards and food dyes, just getting this crap out of our food.
I mean, these are just common sense issues.
And I have to imagine the...
I mean, there was no better example than when President Trump called out that 13-year-old boy who recovered from brain cancer at the joint session to Congress.
And he mentioned that he was most likely got the cancer from some toxins in our environment.
And the Democrats refused to clap for that.
I mean, this is not a winner.
If you can't clap for a kid that survived multiple cancers and multiple brain surgeries because of it, maybe you've lost the plot.
We've lost the plot.
Covering this a lot on the show, specifically big food and how they try to undermine some of the important Maha goals.
Could you talk about the danger as it relates to our over health of how powerful these guys are and just how difficult it is to get across?
Of the big food industry?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, Don, I try to, you know, talk about this not from a conspiracy perspective, but just what happened.
And what's happened is in 1980, about 25% of our child's diet was processed food.
75% was fresh food from American farmers.
Now it's over 70%.
How did that happen?
It happened through corruption.
And this was this is what I was so excited about with Secretary Kennedy coming on with with President Trump is that Maha is a sign of, I think, the MAGA real thesis, which is that it's not left right.
It's just the American people are being brought down by the swamp, by crony capitalism, by corruption in many spheres.
And when it comes to food, I always talk about the cigarette industry.
They owned 50 percent of the U.S. food supply in the 1990s.
Philip Morris and R.J. Reynolds in the 1980s were two of the largest companies in the world.
Smoking rates were declining.
They strategically bought up Kraft, Nabisco, US Foods.
The food pyramid said carbs and essentially sugar were the base of the pyramid, which is crazy.
And our food consumption from that rigged document...
We stopped eating meat and healthy fats.
We started eating carbs as instructed by the government.
That's what my mom thought was the right thing to serve me as a kid, right?
And that created an addiction to ultra-processed food.
And the other thing that tobacco companies did, and this is very deliberate, is their scientists try to hack our child's biology.
They actually make the food softer.
Some of these chemicals you can't pronounce that we're looking at, they soften the food because the less you chew, the less hunger you get.
Right now, there was a Wall Street Journal article where there's hundreds of food scientists trying to study ozempic to actually understand the exact molecules of the drug so that they can create food to specifically out-hack the drug.
So you come up with a cure for something that's, you know, and again, whether you, you know, I know people who've done it, who swear by it.
I'm sure, you know, some of those, you know, things are great.
You know, I do think we've gotten a little too accustomed to there's a pill for everything and it's easier than actually putting in the work.
But, you know, I know plenty of guys that are hardworking guys that are guilty of it.
So they're trying to get around the solutions for these things.
There are hundreds of scientists at food companies studying Ozempic so that they can specifically formulate food to out-hack that drug so you eat more.
This is actually what CEOs of food companies have admitted that they're doing to increase shareholder confidence that people are going to keep eating junk food.
Yes, that is how the food industry thinks.
And this is the legacy of the tobacco industry.
So that's the situation that we have.
I guess, I mean, it's a little evil, but I guess it makes sense from their narrow standpoint.
The problem, Don, is twofold.
One is that they've been able to buy off the nutrition guidelines and our scientific authorities to where to this day the nutrition guidelines, I mean, you probably won't believe this, but to this day the Biden era nutrition guidelines say beans are the best source of protein, limit meat.
They say low-fat milk instead of whole milk, which is a disaster.
They actually recommend added sugar as a healthy part of a two-year-old's diet.
And they say, and they released a report last year, that a child's diet...
93% of ultra-processed food can be healthy, and they don't take a stand on any type of food quality or ultra-processed food.
Brooke Rollins and Secretary Kennedy are making a very clear point to the food industry.
Policy is another question.
We are going to have accurate science.
And the accurate science clearly is that we should be eating whole food.
We should not be denigrating meat.
We should absolutely not be recommending added sugar to two-year-olds.
There's going to be real common sense here.
And I think that's a big way to solve this.
Again, I cannot tell you how much lobbying there is.
On just basic science, on basic transparency.
You know, at the very least, the government does have a role to have accurate science.
But a lot of the lessons we learned from COVID, I see in the food industry.
There's just total weaponization of the NIH Research Department and our scientific departments.
I don't think we need a lot of nutrition researchers.
We need to tell the American people that they should be eating whole food and limiting ultra-processed food.
I think that type of common sense is going to come through.
And then really attacking the subsidies.
Again, it's not banning, as Bobby said a million times, it's not banning the Twinkies or the Coca-Cola, but when you look at the food stamp program, and then when you look at federal school lunches, we're poisoning our kids with school lunches.
I'm a conservative, I'm a libertarian, but you can have an opinion on what food you are buying if we're spending money to provide nutritious food for children.
The school lunch program...
Is a ten times larger fast food program than any private restaurant.
Is a massive source of revenue for the food industry.
And this will be the administration of not poisoning kids with school lunches.
Where absolutely you're going to be hearing a lot of agenda items to have good American whole food in school lunches.
Helping the states do that.
By the way, it's still, I mean, that sounds criminal to me that these guys could be trying to reverse engineer away.
Ways around, you know, Ozempic to make sure that, just make sure that people still get fat, even if they're trying not to be.
That should be criminal, by the way, just so we're clear.
Like, you know, I get it.
I'm not for banning stuff either, if people know.
I mean, I'd love not to have my kids, you know, everything that they put in their mouth does not need to glow in the dark for effect.
You know, like, so there's certainly things that, you know, I don't necessarily mind banning.
But, you know, I see the slippery slope argument on that.
But, like, the fact that they're trying to get around this new thing that, you know.
Perhaps it's revolutionary in the sense that at least it's stopping some of the insanity.
I'm so used to it.
We talk about the D.C. swamp affecting the DOJ and the Pentagon, but you focus on health.
The fact that they're doing the same thing there is insane.
How does the devastating rise in chronic disease, along with our dangerous over-reliance on foreign entities for essential medicines and supplies, how does that represent one of the most critical, yet probably I guess most often overlooked threats to America's well-being and security.
Because, I mean, I can't think of anything that's more national security than, A, the expense, the drain of trying to keep people healthy who've been poisoned for generations.
Oh, it's a national security issue on many different fronts, Don.
One is that 77%, and this is from the DOD, 77% of military-aged youth aren't eligible to join the military almost predominantly because of mental health or chronic disease issues.
We've got a serious, and thank God for Pete Hegseth.
Who's now out there exercising with the troops and we've had record recruitment and we're getting back to being fighters again.
And that's really important because we become really soft and our countries become soft.
And you're going to hear Bobby talking a lot about that.
But on the national security angle, yeah, about 40 percent of our food comes from other countries.
China has infiltrated our agriculture system.
Brooke Rollins has been talking about this a lot.
They're a large owner of U.S. farmland.
They actually own over 50 percent of our meatpacking facilities.
This is a huge problem.
Biden led a lot of that slide.
And they're strategically buying up farmland around military bases.
Actually, the two largest owners of farmland in the country are the CCP and Bill Gates.
And I don't think they have America's interests at heart.
I'm not sure which one's worse, frankly.
And Bill Gates thinks we need population decline and says that it's pseudoscience to think we should be eating whole food at this point.
We need to be going to lab-grown meat.
So that's one of the largest owners of U.S. farmland along with the CCP.
So I think we need to look at food as a national security issue.
And, you know, this has shaped my thoughts, Don.
You know, all this food coming from overseas, it's a real health and national security issue to have local food.
I always thought, you know, a lot of this, I think we've been on traditional, I thought a lot of this was like hippie stuff 15 years ago.
But why is local food important?
The farther food travels, the nutrient content of that food exponentially decays.
So we talk about having at schools local food from farmers in that area.
That means actually it's much more nutritious.
You know, a tomato, and this gets to the soil degradation, which we really need to look at, a tomato grown in the United States has 70% less nutrients in it than a tomato grown 60 years ago.
So the distance food is traveling, what we're doing to our soil.
I mean, again, these are really important things.
Can you even solve the soil issue at this point?
Oh, yes.
Is it just that we've tried to suck too much out of it for too long?
I mean, because topsoil is topsoil.
You can't just replace it, right?
How do you fix that?
Well, this gets to where I think Maha right now is laying the stake in the ground on what is a 15-year journey to work with our farmers to harden up our agriculture system and harden up our health incentives.
Yes, you can rejuvenate.
You can regenerate the soil in a matter of years.
I'd urge you, if you haven't, this movie Kiss the Ground on Netflix, and it's a great movie to watch with the kids.
It has changed my life.
But this idea of learning practice from regenerative agriculture.
Which Brooke Rollins and Bobby Kennedy are going to do an event on this.
There are very solid tactics, like cover crops, for instance, that can help rejuvenate the soil.
And that can happen very quickly.
And actually the USDA and Bobby Kennedy are actually working not to do any command and control things on farmers, but to actually socialize and work with them on better procedures to rejuvenate the soil, which is happening.
There is a movement on that to happen.
So we haven't lost that.
We do, by estimates with our current system, have 40 crop suckers left or the soil will be dirt on the current trajectory.
But there's a lot of focus in this administration on really important things like soil reduction.
I actually think, Don, there's a world of just total abundance and total optimism here.
People haven't talked about this, but Elon's robots, I mean, like literally one of the big problems with regenerative agriculture, you get great crop output, but there's a labor issue.
You know, I think robotic technology, AI technology, we're going to have a lot of cool tools for our farmers to do better soil regeneration practices.
But we just need to survive, you know, the interim.
So the fact that we're even talking about it, the fact that President Trump, you know, and Bobby Kennedy and Secretary Rollins are using their microphone, the fact that we're talking about, you know, I don't know what the policy should be, but the food industry is out hacking Ozempic.
There's a cultural shift happening.
You know, what I hope to see in the next two years, Don, and I think it's going to happen, is we're going to get quick wins like the food stamps, like the autism study, like SNAP, like FDA reform, like grass standard reform, and the food dies.
But we're also going to drive a cultural awakening in this country.
I think President Trump and Secretary Kennedy, I think you saw this, they hit on more of a, I think, almost spiritual issue that we don't have like a health policy issue where we're not prescribing our kids the right amount of drugs or we're not...
We don't have quite the right Medicare reimbursement rate for things.
We really have a spiritual issue that I think ties to the transing of children issues, to the boys and women's sports, to the education collapse we've had, to what we're feeding our kids, to the fact that 35% of teens are on a pharmaceutical product.
We are declaring war on kids.
This country, there's demonic forces, I think.
I think when you add these all together, what was talked about in the campaign, I think there are demonic forces against children.
So it's actually getting back to basics.
And I consider one of the actual hallmarks and uniting threads of this administration is we are going to do the right thing for kids.
I mean, we're going to bankrupt the country for them, too.
We're trying to fix that.
I mean, I think everything here is through the lens of kids, and there's a cultural awakening happening there.
Yeah, I guess, you know, speaking of which, you know, I guess regarding sort of securing our supply chains, how do you expect, you know, big pharma and potentially foreign entities, obviously the CCP being a big one of them, they've been benefiting from that status quo.
How do you expect them to react?
Are they trying to obstruct or is there any sign whatsoever of cooperation?
I can't imagine much from the CCP because, you know, they've been waging a war on us, whether we knew it or not.
But maybe it's oversimplified, but we can't just ignore what big food, pharma, and the pesticide lobbyists want.
What's the best way?
Yeah, I think what's happening is everyone, all the lobbyists are so short-term and they're so embedded with the media that any move to correct these imbalances that have hauled out the middle class, and if you read any history of great power decline,
it's because there's the growing inequality and issues that we're seeing in the country right now that these tariffs are trying to address.
That brings down great power.
So that's trying to be addressed.
And the lobbyists, I'm struck by how short-term they are.
So they're certainly using the media to say how this is crazy.
But yeah, we have a situation right now where China controls our meatpacking and many areas of U.S. agriculture.
And if China shut off pharmaceutical manufacturing, we'd only have several weeks of core pharmaceutical.
So there is clearly a stake in the ground here where we need to harden up our core supply chains and semiconductors in pharmaceuticals.
I think there's a really positive vision, Don, here.
We're on the age of actually very exciting therapeutic innovations.
We're going to deregulate at the FDA, really encourage great innovation in America.
But it is an absolute national security issue right now.
And China, the fact that they have so much leverage on us, the fact that we are so interconnected with them on our supply chain is the reason we need to be moving aggressively.
But as you see this, and I just think highest level from being inside here, this is what every American needs to know.
We cannot fall for the psyops from the media.
These issues President Trump...
We are doing it all at once,
not even to mention our education system.
all at once, we need to support these efforts.
We need to hold strong.
There might be some short-term disruption, some short-term pain.
This has to happen.
This is what every American from all parties have been asking for for my entire life.
And we need to hold strong and support Secretary Kennedy, President Trump, Secretary Besant in taking these moves to reassure some of these core issues that impact our nationality.
Yeah, I mean, it is sort of interesting.
And if you look at...
Many Democrats back in the 90s talking about this as it relates to trade and tariffs and all these things.
It was the right idea then, but 30 years later, it's only gotten worse.
Eventually, you actually have to do these things.
We touched on it a bit earlier, but promoting real food, questioning big pharma, that was painted as left-wing.
How is the fight for food integrity and for...
Crucial health sovereignty, ensuring that America controls its all-health destiny, actually now a deeply conservative and, frankly, essential America-first position.
How did that happen just seemingly in a few years?
I mean, I'm just going to be blunt with you.
I think the answer to that is I think your dad, the reason he is, I think, the most important figure of our generation is because he...
We zeroed focus into the core issue facing human civilization right now, which is institutional decline.
The institutions that I grew up as a young conservative do not question.
I grew up, you know, oh, you don't ask a question of the military.
The Iraq war was great.
The pharmaceutical industry is perfect.
The U.S. farming system can do no wrong.
The U.S. industry, U.S. institutions are perfect.
And that is not correct.
Our institutions have been captured.
We are a thousand percent pro-business.
I want to see in 10 years a pharmaceutical industry, a hospital industry, an insurance industry that is absolutely crushing it.
But it is also an unmistakable fact that those industries have realized that chronic disease is extremely profitable, have realized that a patient who is sick, who gets on more medications, who has more hospital visits...
We have created a system through corruption, not the free market, where hospitals make money when beds are full, not empty, where drug companies make money when more drugs are prescribed, not less, and even because of the disastrous Obamacare legislation that actually incentivized insurance companies to make more money when costs go up.
Everyone thinks insurance companies want costs to go down.
No.
They have this 15% medical loss ratio where they can only make a 15% profit margin.
But are able to raise premiums to get that 15%.
So, of course, you want 15% of a larger pie.
And since Obamacare, premiums have doubled.
They've been the largest source of U.S. inflation.
So every single source, every single lever of our medical system, not through the free market, has been rigged.
And President Trump changed the political order by steering a movement who wants thriving institutions but realizes that there's been massive, swampy behavior.
And we are trying to save the country.
We are trying to save the health care system by correcting these broken incentives to let American industry thrive.
But right now that's not happening.
So I think that's been a big shift where I don't even see, you know, I don't think the Republican Party from George W. Bush even exists.
I think we have just a totally new movement.
Not a bad thing, by the way.
No, no.
I think it's a great trend.
The Iraq War was one of the worst mistakes in American history.
This blind trust of our institutions who've let us down was wrong.
Everything we're doing is right, and I think we have a new coalition where you've got maha moms and hippies.
I was at the Heritage Foundation recently, a very conservative think tank.
And it was hippies there.
It was psychedelic researchers.
It was food activists.
These are people you'd never think to see at the Heritage Foundation.
But it felt right.
And we were all talking about how to help President Trump on his mission to reform these institutions.
So I think the Maha is just evidence of this larger shift in the party.
And I think these issues of...
Healthy food, exercise.
Maybe we shouldn't be steering kids straight to medical interventions, but thinking about what they're looking at on their phones.
And again, not all this is policy, but President Trump and Bobby Kennedy, they even just gave that voice.
Voters are very anxious about what's happening to kids.
I also think it goes to the core trend of this administration, which is...
Just common sense.
Like, it's not left-right.
It's just like, we shouldn't be serving 70% ultra-processed food to kids when it's 15% in Spain and France and Italy.
It's 15% of their diet there.
It's 70% here.
Does that make sense?
Yeah.
Well, I mean, you went viral.
I should play the clip in here, or at the end of this even.
You went viral a week or two ago.
Where you sort of called out a lot of these guys to their faces.
You went into sort of enemy territory.
You said what you were believing.
And I was watching something, and these are supposed to be the most educated people in this space.
And whether we agree with them or not, it's like, you know, they have an understanding of what's going on.
And, I mean, it was like you were speaking a different language.
You were like an alien that had no understanding what was...
Maybe they just didn't care, and they're ambivalent, and they're like, hey, we'll keep the gravy train going as long as possible.
Can you talk about that a little bit?
Because I don't even remember what the issue was, but the reaction was so visceral, and none of it was a response to anything you said.
It wasn't like they're like, no, you're wrong, and here's why.
It's just like, doesn't matter.
We don't want to have to listen to this guy.
Why would we?
I went to an event in D.C., and the audience was 300 pharmaceutical lobbyists.
And I simply said the unimpeachable fact that we have the highest rates of childhood chronic disease in the developed world.
That 50% of our teens are overweight or obese and 38% have prediabetes.
And we have an almost civilizational issue that we need to address.
And they booed.
These folks, when you talk about the science and talk about serious science, serious science in the current paradigm, and my sister writes about in this book from Stanford Med School, from researching at the NIH, from surgical residency, serious science is people getting sick and then cutting them open,
prescribing a drug or some other medical intervention.
Again, Don, that has been very helpful.
A lot of those interventions are miracles, but we've lost our way.
And what I said to that room, and I got to be honest, while there was some lobbyist booing, There's been a lot of good dialogue privately after this, because as humans, everyone does agree we have an unsustainable situation.
But my point to them, and I'll just speak directly to the pharmaceutical industry, to the healthcare experts and researchers.
Let's talk from their interests.
They have a crisis of trust.
They have a crisis of trust with the American people.
We spend three times more per capita, live seven years less than other countries.
With COVID, they're telling us to trust them, to trust the science, to not shut up.
That's untenable at this point.
So from the interests of those industries, I would urge them to show a little bit of humility for why millions and millions of people voted for President Trump.
Because of this issue of childhood chronic disease.
Because those voters are right.
And when Bobby walks around, I see a light behind him of the voters that really want change.
And they see that.
And I think it's in the best interest of everyone to acknowledge, even if they disagree with some policies, that President Trump and Bobby Kennedy have harnessed something's true, which is that we need more humility.
We started by talking about Harvard.
You know, they are throwing up a fit.
And saying that potentially freezing their tax exemption status or reviewing some of the billions of dollars of federal grants they get is an attack on academia.
That's not an attack on academia.
That's an attack on Harvard.
Harvard is an institution that is older than the United States.
In every industry, you have creative destruction.
You know, the top 100 companies 100 years ago, most of them don't exist today.
For some reason, academia has been propped up by these federal funds.
And it's very valid to ask, Are they serving ROI?
Are they producing research that's preventing and reversing disease?
Are they promoting academic inquiry and free expression?
And I don't think this administration is trying to attack academia.
They certainly should review Harvard.
And I don't think Harvard has a birthright to billions of dollars of funds.
I don't think specific pharmaceutical interests or whatever interests have a birthright to this continued gravy train, which is the largest part of the federal budget.
the American voters demanded that these incentives are looked at.
And again, that was my message, that if they think moms are gonna wanna go back
How do you keep that going,
right?
I mean, it feels like a lot of these guys, I saw it in the first term.
You know, we're going to kick the can down the road.
We're going to wait them out, and we'll just get back to business as usual.
I mean, I think you're right.
I mean, it is a cultural phenomenon.
I saw that.
The amount of people that came out, you know, honestly, especially, you know, for Bobby, because of the health thing, that would not have otherwise been conservative, would not have otherwise been on our side.
I mean, it's definitely there.
How do you grow that big enough?
How do you show enough results, you know, in the time we have left that...
This does become a major political issue and something that, frankly, both sides are going to have to start agreeing on.
My purpose on this earth is to transform health care incentives so people are healthier.
In order to do that, I think we have a policy window right now, thanks to President Trump, to move bolder on many issues than we've ever been able to in my lifetime.
So we need to continue delivering wins for the American people, which is happening.
With the things I mentioned, the food stamps, the autism study, the SNAP soda announcement, the baby formula announcement, you're going to see constant announcements and constant wins.
Again, we need to get all our allies there on May 22nd.
We're going to have this big report launch.
So you're going to see unrelenting wins.
My main focus is I want to keep this voter coalition together, keep them excited.
I think they are.
We're going to help Republicans in the midterms.
And I'll be honest with you, Don, you know, these issues we're talking about from changing our health and agriculture systems in a better direction, you know, to government efficiency, you know, and many other issues the administration's taking, these are civilizational issues.
And the health and agriculture case will take many years.
My goal and what I think about every day is in the history books in 50 years, we look at the Trump administration right now as the time the trend line started getting better, the time children started getting healthier, and that we've solidified a political movement by driving these wins that outlast this administration.
But again, I don't think this is a flash in the pan, Don.
I don't think that moms are going to want to go back to their kids getting sicker.
I don't think we're going to want to go back to more conflicts of interest.
People are voting on this issue now.
This administration is driving them wins.
And if we can keep doing that, we solidify a political movement.
And just speaking as a Republican, we need to literally change American politics if we can solidify this Maha coalition.
I mean, closing the gender gap.
And there was many factors, obviously, for this.
Obviously, Maha contributed to the – nobody would have expected 50-50 on young voters for President Trump, 50-50 on independents.
I mean, the coalition that emerged during 2024, if that holds, will fully change American politics.
And if that coalition – that coalition then is the impetus to change.
The power that Bobby has and President Trump has when they meet with stakeholders, it's more powerful than the money.
So every single day here, we are working to drive wins and deliver for the voters that helped make this movement possible so they maintain excitement.
Well, Kelly Means, thank you very much for everything that you're doing.
Definitely have to have you back on as you get some of those wins.
I'm going to try to make it up there on May 22nd because, like I said, I was a big believer in the movement.
The second I heard Bobby start to talk, I was like, hey, we've got to band together on this thing.
I don't think there could be a single thing that we're doing that's more important for our children and our future than what you guys are doing.
So keep up the great work, man.
Don, thank you for everything you've done.
I mean, this is a very special moment, and we're pushing really hard.
I know you are, man.
Thanks.
Thank you.
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