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April 7, 2025 - Triggered - Donald Trump Jr
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News Not Noise, Live with Power the Future's Daniel Turner | TRIGGERED Ep.231
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Hey guys, welcome to another huge episode of Triggered.
I hope your week is off to a good start.
And as it turns out, the hysteria of the so-called ruling class and the media is once again revealing itself.
To be nothing more than an attempt to pull us all in panic mode and distract us from the core mission.
But their nonsense isn't going to work, guys.
Grocery prices are coming down.
The price of gas is coming down.
Oil went down below $60 a barrel for the first time in a long time.
And America's future is looking up.
So tonight, we're going to get into all of it.
Plus a deep dive into all things energy and power with the future founder and energy expert, Daniel Turner.
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And just breaking tonight, Treasury Secretary Scott Besson said that there are almost 70 countries who have now approached the administration about negotiating on trade.
This is what maximum leverage looks like, folks.
Check it out.
That there are 50, 60, maybe almost 70 countries now who have approached us.
So it's going to be a busy April, May, maybe into June.
And Japan is a very important military ally.
They're a very important economic ally.
And the U.S. has a lot of history with them.
So I would expect that Japan's going to get priority just because they came forward very quickly.
But it's going to be very busy.
And if President Trump, again, gave himself maximum negotiating leverage, and just when he achieved the maximum leverage, he's willing to start talking.
Remember what this is all about, guys.
For decades, we have lost the value that used to make the American dream real for American families.
And Trump trade policy is about restoring that American dream From Main Street, here's my father laying it all out in the Oval Office earlier today.
Because prices got so high, people couldn't live.
I mean, the prices for groceries, the prices for standard groceries, standard things were going through the roof.
They couldn't live.
And now those prices are coming down.
So call them groceries, but that's down, energy's down, and interest rates are down.
Everything's down.
And the interest rates, the beauty there is when we refinance debt, you know, debts become such a big factor in this country.
We're going to get we're going to start paying debt off with tariffs and other things.
But it's such a big factor because the interest rate's so high.
Well, now that's coming way down.
So our budget's going to look a lot better because interest costs are way down.
And despite the nonstop efforts to put this country into a panic by the media and the swamp, There's actually business owners and employees across the country that are excited about the opportunities ahead.
Take a look at this.
We're going to keep them right where they are.
We have plenty of inventory on ground.
We've got cars incoming.
And more than just holding the line on prices, Orsini said he sees the need for Trump's tariffs, which the president says are a way to help rebuild America's industrial base, including the auto industry.
You drive up to Michigan or go to these places where the American cars were being built years ago, it's very dead up there now.
A lot of empty buildings, a lot of empty factories.
We didn't have to go all the way to Michigan to find a manufacturer hurt by foreign competition.
The president of Taconic Wire in North Brantford told us her family business, which produces stitching wire for a range of industries, has lost clients to China for years, and they're already seeing a turnaround.
around. We've actually been inundated with our customers calling in now looking to buy wire from us once again now that the tier.
Thank you.
There's a reason groups like the United Auto Workers, the Steel Manufacturers Association, and others have all praised my father's policy.
Here's one beef cattle rancher explaining why he sees this as all good news.
Well, the European community has been a big market that we'd love to get to, and certainly Australia is another one that sells lots of beef here in the United States, but we don't get to sell to them.
How does this moment in time feel like a game changer for your industry?
Well, I think we're happy that the president finally singled us out and said that we do need to increase our beef sales to other countries, and that he's going to try and make an effort to do that.
So it'll be a great time for our industry if we can sell more and have a better market and higher prices.
Guys, we're doing what the no-show politicians have refused to do for decades, fighting back against the one-sided war that has been waged on American workers.
And guys, remember, there's no tariffs if you're onshoring jobs and making things right here in the good old USA.
For example, just look at this statement.
From a battery company in Texas that reads, quote, No tariffs in Texas.
Energy Access Innovations launches a 310,000 square foot facility in Texas, adding that thanks to President Trump's strong leadership, we're investing big in American manufacturing.
We're ending the status quo.
We're putting the American worker first, and the rest of the world is getting the message, even though they may not always like it.
Here's French President Macron actually telling French companies to stop investing in the United States.
we will be able to find out the latest news from President Trump, which is a shock for international commerce, not just for the European Union, France, but for the good work of
commerce....
that the investment announced these last weeks, they are suspended until we haven't clarified the things with the United States and the United States.
Because what would be the message of having great European actors who invest in the economy Well, guys, if that's the game, maybe we should immediately cancel the $5 billion U.S. loan for France's Total Energy's African project.
which is a liquid natural gas project in Africa.
We're not going to be taking advantage any longer.
If they want to play those games, we can play them right back.
The reality is we're the bigger consumer.
They need us probably a lot more than we need them.
And by the way, before Trump derangement syndrome consumed every corner of the Democrat Party, they actually supported tariffs and actually wanted to be tough on China.
Don't believe me?
Here's Nancy Pelosi, of all people, in her own words.
I think it's interesting to note that the average U.S. MFN tariff on Chinese goods coming into the United States is 2%, whereas the average Chinese MFN tariff on U.S. goods going into China is 35%.
Is that reciprocal?
In terms of jobs, this is the biggest and cruelest hoax of all.
The China trade supports 170,000 jobs in the United States.
Our imports from China support 10 million jobs at least.
The fact is that U.S.-China trade is a job loser.
And it's not just Pelosi.
Here's Barack Obama back in 2012.
I guess according to Democrats, Obama was a MAGA extremist.
In which they were flooding us with cheap domestic tires, or cheap Chinese tires.
and we put a stop to it and as a consequence save jobs throughout America I have to say that governor Romney criticized me for being too tough in that tire case said this wouldn't be good for American workers and that it would be protectionist but I tell you those workers don't feel that way they feel as if they had finally an administration who was going to take this issue serious My father's been talking about tariffs since the 1980s.
He's campaigned on it every day.
He's doing exactly what he said he was going to do.
And by the way, this is just phase one.
The media wants you to believe that the world is ending, but this evening, the Dow, Nasdaq, they were pretty close to even.
I saw some losses, I saw some gains, I saw it go back and forth, but it wasn't the dread, it wasn't the insanity, it wasn't the dump that you heard about all weekend long.
Here's Scott Jennings delivering his daily dose of reality on CNN.
He's been talking about tariffs for a very long time.
He believes in it.
And right now, according to the Treasury Secretary, we have over 50 countries who've already come to the table and want to engage with the United States and talk about how we can have a more fair free trade relationship with them.
That's a good thing, number one.
Number two, this is only part of the deal.
The other part of the deal is making the tax cuts permanent.
And maybe even, if I were them...
Cut the capital gains tax and offer to slash the corporate tax rate and see if you can get any Democrats to join because I'm amused by the Democrats who are all of a sudden free traders and for lower taxes.
"Well, if you've got Democrats who'd like to reduce the taxation on corporate activity, let's see how serious they are.
Cut capital gains, slash the corporate income tax rate." I find it amusing that everybody talks about the'08 crash and the co-no one ever mentions that in 2022, you know, the S&P was down 20, the NASDAQ was down 33, and I don't remember any of these Democrats being in history.
And speaking of delusion, left-wing activists still think they can openly defy our laws and get away with it.
Here's an illegal immigrant bragging about being here illegally on national television.
Just last week.
Quick words of advice.
Deportations are coming.
So my father is moving forward on the America First mission and not letting anyone get in the way.
Here he is at the White House today with the L.A. Dodgers having a little fun at the Democrats' expense.
And others.
We have a couple of senators here.
I just don't particularly like them, so I won't introduce.
Over the course of this amazing season, the members of this team...
I didn't think it was that big a deal, actually.
Washington. Over the course of this amazing season, the members of this team gave us some of the most incredible...
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I'm still laughing about that one.
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And joining me now, founder of Power the Future, Energy policy expert Daniel Turner.
Daniel, good to have you with us.
How are you?
Great to be with you.
Thank you so much.
So we're seeing oil prices come down, investment into America go up, and a mission to reverse the damage done over decades to strengthen our energy infrastructure.
How does the tariff policy tie into all of that, in your opinion?
Yeah, oil is really at an important moment right now.
Actually, just a couple hours ago, we put out a statement asking for the president to refill the strategic petroleum reserves.
Seems like a good time to do it below 60, right?
Exactly. Biden drained them during his four years to less than a third.
We really have very little oil supply.
He promised to refill them at $72 a barrel.
He never did.
Well, with oil at 60, 61, now is a really good time to refill them.
But the tariffs are absolutely going to play a role in this.
You look at the previous administration that tried to, made a huge effort to import oil from Iran, from Venezuela, from the Saudis.
Joe Biden went to Saudi Arabia begging for oil.
When we have enough domestic potential here.
And so I think that the tariffs will definitely help to spur domestic oil production.
We don't need to be looking overseas to bring in crude when we have enough crude on our own feet.
We just need the policies and the permissions in place to be able to bring it to market.
How will the next four years under President Trump be our opportunity to unleash American energy and make rural America great again?
Yeah, coal is why I started Power the Future.
It's really where the heart of this organization is because for years we watched coal miners just get devastated during the Obama administration with the war on coal.
And just as perspective, America used to be the world's largest producer of coal.
We're now fifth.
And yet the actual consumption, worldwide consumption of coal has gone up dramatically.
So it's not like...
We're not producing coal and no one is.
It's that our slice of the pie has just gotten smaller and smaller while the pie has gotten larger.
And I've struggled with this notion that it's bad for America to produce coal, but it's fine for nine-year-old girls in Indonesia and Malaysia and China to produce coal.
And that's a lot of what these tariffs are pointing out, these globalist policies that say, let's offshore industry because it's cheap to use slave labor.
It's cheap to pay children when you don't have to pay insurance and do training and give them safety goggles and helmets.
And so we've decimated rural America, rural coal towns, and we've turned a blind eye to the fact that the coal industry is thriving using abominable environmental and human rights policies to, We need coal desperately.
We need coal in America.
And this is the chance to resurrect a coal industry because it doesn't just produce electricity.
We need it for steel.
We need it for cement.
We need it for almost everything around you.
At one point was touched by coal and having more domestic coal will lower those prices for all goods and services.
So coal is crucial and coal miners are crucial to our economy.
Yeah, and it sort of feels like all the other things, whether it's lithium or the other things that go into batteries or whatever it may be around the world.
I mean, we could have it here, but we won't do it.
But we let them do it, and we know the other countries, whether it's India or China or otherwise, they're not going to do anything in an environmentally positive way.
I mean, in America, you wouldn't even have a choice.
So we could do it, and it's not like our coal reserves are non-existent just because perhaps we started harvesting coal a little bit earlier than a lot of the other industrial nations.
We have incredible coal reserves, don't we?
Oh, we have centuries of coal reserves in just Pennsylvania and Wyoming.
Alaska is basically one large lump of coal.
So many of our reserves, we don't even know how much we have because we're not allowed to explore.
Same with our oil and gas.
People say, how many millions of barrels or billions of barrels do we have?
We have guesstimates, but there are parts of the country that we've never been able to properly explore and we don't really know how much we have.
And those are centuries of known reserves at today's So I don't know what tomorrow is going to bring.
I call the organization Power the Future for a reason.
I don't know what tomorrow's discovery will be.
But I do know right now we live a really intense fossil fuel lifestyle.
And if we punish ourselves now, we're not going to have a better tomorrow.
We're going to have a worse off now and poverty and misery.
And that's what Biden gave us, right?
He promised the green agenda.
And what did he do?
He made Russia rich.
He made Iran rich.
And he made Americans poorer.
And he drove up the cost of all goods.
That was the green agenda.
So why would we want to pursue more of those policies which just brought misery worldwide?
Yeah, and it seems like with quantum computing, AI, all of the things that really are going to drive so much of the future, if we don't have the power to be able to We'll destroy our middle class and
our tech advantage while they make all the power in the world, while they pollute with reckless abandon.
Yeah, it's a great point.
And these data centers and AI will require two or three times more electricity than we're currently producing.
And so if you want to build one of these data centers, you need to go where there's reliable energy and grid infrastructure.
And America right now is in a bad position with our grid infrastructure.
And the president inherited a mess.
So yeah, if you're going to build these centers, you're going to turn to other countries, you know, maybe China, but maybe just one of our allies, maybe just not America.
I have no dislike for Canada or I have no dislike for New Zealand, but I want it to be built here.
And they're only going to be built here if we have the necessary energy infrastructure.
And we're in a terrible position right now because of four years of really regressive anti-energy policies.
So the president, his agenda will work, but it's going to take a while to turn around this ship because of how much damage was done to our energy economy and energy infrastructure.
Yeah, I mean, is it as simple as just sort of spooling back up what went down, or is it more complicated than that?
Is that as simple?
It's not like flipping a switch, right?
Getting people to get back into mines and to utilize those plants, some of whom have been shut down.
Not so simple.
I mean, nuclear, obviously another viable option, but that's probably even a longer ramp-up period unless you get really active in the small modular reactor space, etc.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, this is a complicated issue, and that's why this White House Energy Dominance Council is so important, because we need all of government solution for an issue, for a problem set that comes from every direction, right?
The Biden administration punished lenders in the fossil fuel industry.
Gary Gensler, when he was head of the SEC, told the banking industry, if you loan to the fossil fuel community, we're going to punish you with higher base points on lending, right?
We're going to punish you.
They don't want to see fossil fuel investments.
So that's one side.
On the back end, you've got an entire infrastructure that punished gas stoves, gas cars, gas appliances.
So there's back end.
So when people say, well, why is the energy industry suffering?
There's not one simple reason.
They attacked it from multiple directions.
And then you have some of these globalist cronies You referenced it earlier.
The XM Bank, which gave this $5 billion loan to a French company that's going to build a natural gas pipeline in Mozambique.
The XM Bank doesn't have any money.
It's taxpayer-funded.
And yet these unelected bureaucrats, talk about unelected bureaucrats, these unelected bureaucrats gave a French company $5 billion to build a pipeline in Africa that's directly going to compete.
With our natural gas industry.
So who are these agencies?
Who are these entities that are thwarting America's fossil fuel?
by look, I got no animosity towards Mozambique, but I'll be damned if I want to have them compete with the energy industry coming from Texas and Yeah, I mean, you had a viral tweet last week showing just that.
It was French President Macron telling French companies to stop investing in the U.S. I think that's where I saw the original story and I spoke about it in sort of the intro.
What's happened to Europe?
I mean, their energy policy is even worse.
I mean, they used to laugh when my father said, hey, maybe you don't want to become so dependent on Russia.
Then they do.
It's a disaster.
You have a war now.
They wouldn't take it from us.
I mean, like all things they mock him on, he always ends up being right in the long run.
But they seem to be operating on a totally different planet at this point.
They do.
And the president pointed out something that was brilliant and really had Europe seething because he pointed out how Europe has bought more Russian fossil fuels in terms of Euro than they have given to Ukraine.
To defend against the Russian invasion in terms of Euro.
So when Europe looks at us and says, how come you're not supporting Ukraine?
How come you're not?
You're actually the ones that are financing the invasion of Ukraine because you are buying Russian fossil fuels.
Now, yes, they're not buying it directly.
They're buying it through intermediaries.
There was never an embargo on Russian fossil fuels.
They just sold it to other countries, India, South Korea, Turkey, etc.
And then they sold it.
You know, through a pass-off, back to France, back to Italy, back to Spain, back to Germany.
So Europe is a disaster on so many levels, but on their energy policy, you know, they've been doing for 30 years what Biden did in four, and for 30 years it's been a disaster.
Their prices have gone up.
Yeah. Yeah,
I mean, the disdain that they showed my father, I think it was the first term when he was like, wait a minute, you want us to ramp up our spending on NATO?
To protect you from the enemy who you're enriching with your pipelines rather than taking it from us?
Where we could at least, if we're going to protect you, we're going to spend all that money for, you know, not much upside certainly to us.
You could at least do that.
And they like laughed at him in the face.
And I guess it's because they got away with it for so long.
No one ever, you know, held them in check.
I guess they were just used to America being the big idiot, no different than Ukraine funding.
They're all for defending Ukraine as long as they're not the ones writing the check.
The second they're the ones that have to write the check or bear some sort of responsibility towards that, all of a sudden the notion of defending Ukraine isn't as popular in Europe as it is when America's just going to be the big dumb idiot that comes and funds it all for them.
It is.
And the best thing that this president has done, and now he's doing it for a second time, is restore that sense of American pride and unabashed, unashamed confidence of our dominance.
It's not enough that we just win the Olympic golds.
It's not enough that we wave our flag or people think we're brash or loud when we're touring the Coliseum.
We are the greatest country on the planet.
We are the richest country and the most powerful.
And we deserve to live that in every aspect.
And that includes in our trade policies.
And I think the Europeans, they like us because they know we'll always pick up the tab, right?
Everyone has that one friend that you invite to dinner because you assume they'll be generous.
Or everyone has that one friend that you say, hey, why don't you bring the wine?
Because you know they'll buy really good wine.
And then everyone has the one friend that's never going to chip in.
Exactly. And that's who we've been for Europe for a very long time, literally since World War II.
And I think we're done playing that role.
And this is the first president in a long time ever, really, since World War II, that said not only should we not play that role, the Europeans should be thanking us for our contribution in the world.
President Trump's given Americans a lot of confidence and a lot of moxie, and we've needed that for generations.
There's fluctuations in the market.
There's a little bit of uncertainty.
But hold fast, boys, because we are poised for greatness right now.
And it really is thanks to the president having the confidence in the American people and these industries that has restored that confidence back to ourselves.
Daniel, more broadly, what's the opportunity here to reshape our energy sector and hold our adversaries accountable?
Biden was granting oil licenses to Maduro, literally, while killing American projects and even Canadian projects, but at least they are regimes that are recognized by the United States, unlike Venezuela.
Now my father is doing the opposite.
Talk about what you see as the impact of that.
What are the other things that perhaps they're not thinking of doing just yet that they should add into the quiver?
Yeah, there's a question I'll have for God if I ever get to heaven, which is why is sometimes the oil found under the feet of the worst actors in the world, right?
America is blessed.
We have enormous oil reserves, and we're the good guy.
And Canada has a lot of oil, and they're the good guys.
But a lot of folks that have oil are bad.
And unabashedly, they're bad regimes, they're bad governments.
And that's Russia, that's a lot of the Middle East, that's definitely Venezuela.
And there's a reason why those regions were quiet from 2017 to 2021, and it's because they were pretty much bankrupt.
When these petro-state economies, when 70-80% of your economy comes from one resource, well, when that resource isn't flourishing, I think?
perform poorly.
America, it's a smaller percentage of our GDP, but also American producers like to produce on volume, not on price point.
So if you have multiple wells at $50 a barrel, that's better than having one well at $100 a barrel.
But it's different if you're a Venezuela or the Saudis or the Iranians or the Russians.
So the best thing for world peace, the best thing for American energy is to produce, to produce as much as possible to lower price points It's good for American families.
It's good for the purchasing of goods and services.
But it also bankrupts our enemies.
It's something I've never been able to understand of the four years of the Biden administration.
Joe Biden, who prided himself on being this foreign policy expert, he made Russia rich.
He made Venezuela and Iran rich.
And those countries, when they have money, Venezuela sent us their criminals, Iran attacked Israel, and Russia invaded Ukraine.
World peace is possible through great energy policy.
The president did it in his first term.
He's starting to do it again, and the world will go quiet when bad people are bankrupt.
So what about the threat of 25% secondary tariff to anyone buying oil from Venezuela?
They're buying it and or distributing it back, so it looks like it's not coming from Venezuela.
I'm sure that could be applied to whether it's Chinese aluminum that gets sent to Mexico and then it's shipped across the border under NAFTA, pretending it's Mexican as opposed to actually Chinese, just with an intermediary.
Is that a direct message, do you think, to China, the secondary tariff system?
Do you think that applies?
Should it rise beyond energy and should it?
Absolutely. And that's the biggest vulnerability of the CCP is they do not have a domestic oil supply.
They import around 20 million barrels a day, and they are desperately trying to find secure oil supplies as part of their belt system.
They're making huge pipelines over to Pakistan.
A lot of the Pakistan-India violence is fomented by China because China wants reliable oil supplies.
China's lack of oil infrastructure is a huge vulnerability that the president So punishing people who are buying oil From the no-no list, and that includes now Venezuela, that will really hurt their economy.
The Chinese economy today took a nosedive, and that's really good, right?
That is very, very good that if China as a country begins to suffer, because China is our biggest enemy by far, and energy policy can be just what Reagan did during the Cold War, President Trump is doing it.
But rather than military spending, he's energy deregulating, and it will have the exact same effect.
Yeah, and that's what was so frustrating to me about the Biden policy is all the sanctions they did on Russia basically just pushed Russia into China's arms.
You know, they saw it.
They needed an outlet that made it easier and more reliable.
Those aren't people that necessarily loved each other for very long.
But in doing that, with the sanctions, you jacked the price of energy up so high.
Russia was like net neutral in the war.
They could fund a war.
They could build up their industrial base, even if it was mostly building weapons.
And they did that because of the U.S. sanctions increased the price of oil so much they were just playing in the delta.
Yeah, and our also domestic policy that cut off our responsible access to land, permitting, removing millions of acres from Alaska, the heartland, the Gulf, the Atlantic, the Pacific.
So his domestic policy was driving up prices, and then his foreign policy was encouraging people to buy Russian oil and gas.
So again, you look at this administration, there was no policy.
It was total incoherence.
It was whatever the previous guy did was bad, so we're going to do the opposite.
And there was such a lack of humility to say, well, actually, those policies were good, so let's just continue them.
They didn't care that they were causing turmoil.
They didn't care they were causing suffering and death.
Well, I mean, this stuff wasn't like rocket science, right?
They weren't taking something that was a novel concept and trying to run with it.
They weren't recreating.
I mean, it almost feels like what they did was intentionally just destroy our energy sector and all the consequences associated there with.
I mean, we had all these things and all of a sudden we become dependent on Iran, the world's leading state sponsor of Terra and Venezuela, as I mentioned earlier, a regime they hadn't even recognized officially.
While, by the way, telling the American people very clearly at the debate that they would never do such things, even though it ends up being executive order number one.
Exactly. The very first day, he shut down a lot of our oil and gas.
He shut down Keystone Pipeline.
And these things will take a while to come back online.
Something fascinating about the energy industry is that you can turn it off on a dime, and Biden did.
But to get it back online takes time.
Just think of the physicality of moving these rigs, right, or drills, assembling them, the man hours, the manpower, the millions of tens of millions of dollars in financing.
I tell people all the time when they're anxious, like, when are we going to see it?
I say, well, President Trump was inaugurated in 2017, and by early 2018, mid-2018 is when it kicked in.
By 2019...
Banner year for everything.
Hotels, restaurant, retail, travel, because people were flush with cash, and oil was at $51 a barrel, and gas nationally was around $2 a gallon.
It's going to take a little while.
The president's working as hard as he can, but just the physicality of this industry getting ramped up takes some time, and that's the damage that Biden did.
It's lasting damage that's going to take a while to dig out of this ditch.
Yeah, so realistically speaking, how do you get Keystone Pipeline going again?
I mean, you have this, you know, monster thing.
It takes years to complete.
By the way, tens of thousands of good, hard-working jobs for good blue-collar Americans.
I mean, you know, what is the time to spool up something like that?
Obviously, they're still producing, you know, oil and gas in Canada and some other places, and those are all piping to that pipeline.
You know, how long does it take to get that going?
Because that's, you're right, people sort of, we live in this instant gratification society.
I saw it, you know, at 1202, you know, on Inauguration Day, where they're like, well, the price of eggs hasn't come down yet.
I'm like, well, I mean, he's been president for like...
A minute and a half.
What do you mean?
These things, you can't just turn off four years of insanity and expect results, and yet it sort of feels like we've been programmed that way.
Everything's sort of at the tip of our fingers and we can get instant gratification on a phone in two seconds, but that's not how it works in the real world.
It's not, and Keystone is a...
Important example that is not going to change anytime soon.
There needs to be a legislative fix.
My organization, Power of the Future, is trying to find one.
And here's what Joe Biden did, and I've written extensively about this.
Keystone didn't just cancel a pipeline.
Keystone set a precedent to the industry that any long-term project that will last longer than an election cycle is now at risk.
And no knock to the president at all or to the future of this country, but if you're a multi-billion dollar project, are you going to invest again in a pipeline that's going to take six years knowing that in 2028 Gavin Newsom is going to run for president saying, and when I'm elected, I am going to shut down that pipeline.
I'm not going to put $8 billion on the line on that.
So Joe Biden did something so pernicious and so bad.
He didn't cancel a pipeline.
He set a precedent that now anything that's going to last a presidential cycle...
Who's going to take that risk?
And that's really bad for the future of our country.
We can overcome this.
I think there needs to be legislative fixes.
But Keystone is an example of the institutional damage done by Joe Biden.
He got his talking point.
I shut down that pipeline.
But he scared the crap out of industry going forward because even though we're confident that the future is going to be bright, no one knows what's going to happen in 2028.
And if you are...
Job is to protect your shareholders.
Are you going to bet $8 billion on 2028 and the board is going to vote?
No, we are not.
That's the damage Joe Biden did to this country.
Yeah, well, I actually feel that way about a lot of things.
I mean, I think my father's doing incredible work with some of the executive orders and getting things rolling, but you don't want something that can just be undone with the stroke of the pen.
You talk about sort of the legislative option.
You know, how with a, you know, let's call it a three-seat majority in Congress, I don't know what you need in the Senate to get something like this done.
But are there any Democrats that would go along with this?
Do you lose some of the rhinos to sign something into law to enable this pipeline to be there so that people know it can't just be undone by a president?
Yeah, there are a couple who I think you could sway, and as you get closer to 2026, there are a couple who are going to be up for re-election, and they want to keep their seat.
So you take a little guy like John Ossoff in Georgia, who's right now, his voting record on energy is atrocious.
He voted against every cabinet member of the big three, Energy, Interior, EPA.
He's voted against every energy proposal, but you assume he's going to want to be re-elected, and so you have to peel him off, right?
John Fetterman seems to be voting pro-energy.
I think you could get to the 60 mark.
I hate, though, that we have to tie it into elections.
You have to shame these Democrats into saying, this is good for the country.
And if you represent New Mexico, second largest energy producer in the country, two Democrat senators, atrocious records when it comes to energy.
Martin Heinrich, an atrocious record.
And he's the ranking on the Energy and Natural Resources Committee.
It's remarkable.
I didn't realize they were second in the country.
I knew they had a big industry, but that's amazing.
Colorado, Michael Bennett, John Hickenlooper, two Democrats, atrocious voting record on energy.
How do you shame these people into saying these are your constituents?
These are your men and women who you claim to represent, and yeah, you can hate them.
I'm sure my two Virginia senators definitely don't like me, but by God, how do you continue to...
To beat up this industry.
And on the industry side, what Power of the Future wants to do is shame them back.
These people have no right representing us in Congress if they continue to vote so poorly to undermine our economy.
So what have you seen from the Energy Secretary so far that you think will be perhaps game changing?
What can we do right now?
His announcements on liquid natural gas have been great.
That's a huge reversal of where we were and building these liquid natural gas terminals, which requires pipelines, which requires infrastructures and jobs.
We have so much natural gas in this country that in a lot of places they're just burning it because they can't bring it to market.
And that's ridiculous because it is valuable.
We should be using this and giving it to our allies, quite frankly, as well.
We also should be driving down Yeah.
Secondly, he's trained in the nuclear space, right?
He is a nuclear engineer.
And I think you mentioned micro reactors, micromodules.
That's essential.
I don't, when I say electricity should be almost free, I don't mean it in this communist sense, like the government.
But electricity should be an afterthought because we have so many natural resources to produce electricity.
No one should ever struggle to pay an electric bill.
Companies should be able to build all the manufacturing plants they want because electricity is so inexpensive.
So there's a lot that Chris Wright is doing to take us in that direction.
And that's going to be great for families, great for industry.
Yeah, no, I mean, like I said, I'm sort of really fascinated by sort of the small module reactor space.
It's something you can do, you know, relatively quickly.
You can, you know, it doesn't have sort of the big infrastructure of these massive plants that you do, you know, I don't think we'd be dumb enough to build them on fault lines anymore, like perhaps we did in the 50s, and maybe we just didn't know.
So I think you can actually do nuclear really safely.
But it does seem that it needs to contain things that sort of burns not hot enough to create sort of the fallout that you've seen in the bad examples of Chernobyl and Three Mile Island, whatever it was, that it seems like a really viable option that can be just on property for these data centers or whatever else it may be.
We should, absolutely.
Especially in rural communities that aren't ever going to have an infrastructure built.
They're not going to build pipelines.
They're not going to build rail cars to bring them coal.
They should be building small micro-reactors, without a doubt.
And I tell people who are nervous about nuclear two examples all the time.
The French have about 80% of their electricity generated from nuclear.
If the French aren't afraid of nuclear to play on stereotypes, then we should not be.
...afraid of nuclear.
And secondly, there are how many hundreds of thousands of 18-year-old Iowa farm boys who are on aircraft carriers and in submarines that are powered by nuclear.
And no one ever says, we can't have kids next to nuclear reactors.
We have no problem sending in 18- and 19-year-olds to work on Navy ships that are nuclear-powered without an afterthought, because clearly nuclear is safe.
So not only is our military nuclear safe, why aren't our...
Across Pacific, across Atlantic, cargo containers nuclear-powered.
Imagine cruise ships that could be nuclear-powered.
Imagine the cost of a cruise.
I'm not a cruise-goer.
I've never been.
I wouldn't go.
It's just not my forte.
But I got to tell you, it's a huge industry.
Imagine how cheap it would be to go on a cruise if it was nuclear-powered because the biggest bulk of their expenses is diesel.
It's amazing.
So nuclear should be used a lot more aggressively.
Again, the French are doing it.
There's no reason why the Americans can't.
Yeah, I mean, it's sort of interesting, actually.
I was going to ask you, basically, how has climate change alarmism really hurt actual energy innovation?
But, like, perhaps nuclear is the best.
I mean, it would stymie that kind of thing.
You're right.
Every tanker, every major ship would probably benefit from a nuclear reactor engine that would run for decades, doesn't have any issues, yada, yada, yada.
We have submarines and people can go under for a year, and yet they're burning literally gallons a minute of fossil fuels.
It seems like a great viable alternative.
But I'd love your thoughts on that generally, but then also just the general climate change.
I'm starting to laugh because I think one of the great discoveries of the Doge initiative and really...
Peeling back the layers of this poison onion that we call the federal government.
I don't even think climate activism is real.
I think the whole thing is taxpayer funded.
You look at these billions of dollars of grants that were funneled through USAID, that were funneled through the EPA.
I've always known, and I fight the climate activists for a living, I've always been curious as to their funding, right?
They always seem to be disproportionately...
Wealthy. And I know people like John Kerry and Michael Bloomberg write multi-million dollar checks.
But there are too many climate groups with too much money.
To make the math math, right?
It never added up.
And now Doge has...
Well, by the way, that's just like every election cycle.
It's like, how does every Democrat congressperson running for Congress have 10x the Republican?
And you realize it's now all these NGO kickbacks probably to ActBlue.
I guess we'll find that out in the not-too-distant future if the Republicans have the guts and, you know, I'll say, have the balls to look into it.
But you're 100% right.
Yeah, there was a PAC that announced, I think, I reckon September of last year, that announced $80 million, a climate PAC, $80 million for Kamala and for Democrats to promote climate awareness.
And if you've been in the campaign space, and I know clearly you have, and I have, an $80 million...
It's like a big ad buy, right?
It's like a third-party group that no one's ever heard of them.
Where did they come from and how did they get $80 million?
I think the entire climate left is one gigantic farce.
Their data is clearly farcical.
I've always believed them to be a bunch of liars and a bunch of global frauds.
They hide behind climate because it scares people.
You're able to control them the way they hide behind COVID to scare people and control them.
But now I realize their money is mostly taxpayer funded.
And I think the climate movement is dying its last death because their money is slowly drying up.
And I'm with you 100%.
The GOP definitely, and I'll say it with you, needs the balls to go after these guys and say, your act blue is all a bunch of fraud.
Your climate money is all a bunch of fraud and grift.
There's a lot of stolen money stolen from the taxpayers to scare the crap out of kids and young people and elderly that climate change is going to get you.
We can have a healthy conversation about the environment, about CO2, about land and air.
And I'm talking to you on a small farm in rural Virginia.
I breathe my own air and have my own land and have my own well water.
No one has to tell me to be an environmentalist because I'm a farmer.
I am environmentalist.
But the environmental left is a gigantic lie.
And now we realize it's taxpayer funded and they are dying slowly.
And that is a great thing for America and for freedom.
These are evil, bad people, genuinely evil and bad people with an evil agenda.
And to see them gasping for breath because their oxygen of taxpayer money is drying out is a great thing.
She says she hates nuclear because of the amount of radioactive waste.
But Daniel, I'm sure you can talk to this a little bit more.
This is not the 1970s.
I mean, the amount of energy you can produce with, let's call it, little to almost no waste today in a modern reactor.
The reality, we haven't built modern reactors for...
So, you know, perhaps that doesn't exist.
So, I mean, talk a little bit about that just so people understand, you know, perhaps what they've been sold is not at all what's actually real currently.
It's not.
And look, there are always going to be scales of good or bad or strong or weak.
There's always going to be trade-offs.
And I will expose all of my bad on fossil fuels and on nuclear if the environmental left will expose theirs.
And that's the big argument that we're having.
We can't have fossil fuels.
We can't have nuclear.
Let's use wind and solar.
As if wind and solar are these flawless...
Angel scent technologies that have no drawbacks, that have no environmental impact, that have no bad consequences.
Is there radioactive waste from nuclear?
Absolutely. Are there emissions from fossil fuels and coal?
Absolutely there are.
But the amount of electricity and the amount of energy produced scaled to their downfall, to their drawback, to their emissions or their waste is not even in the same ballpark of the amount of damage of wind and solar to the environment and to the economy for the little itty bitty bitty tiny bit of electricity they produce.
So if you want to maintain the current lifestyle that you have, we are never going to achieve it with wind and solar.
Just get rid of that completely.
It's a total lie.
The last four years showed it because the price of everything went up 30-40% because they tried to push us towards wind and solar.
Of course it does.
But we don't live in a perfect society.
What we need is the greatest amount of electricity produced at the least amount of risk.
For the greatest number of people.
And risk does involve getting raw materials and manufacturing from our enemies.
And wind and solar are manufactured by our enemy, Communist China, with raw materials that Communist China controls.
So it's not even a comparison.
Well, made in a not so environmentally friendly way either.
I mean, if people understood what goes into making these turbines, it's like, you know, the amount of...
The amount of waste that they generate for whatever turbines they could, you know, meet the specs of a nuclear reactor, probably not even close.
No, and with child and slave labor, and I don't find that very environmentally friendly, right?
There's a reason why we make solar panels in China is because they are very carbon intense.
You have to burn a lot of coal, by the way, and China doesn't have any scrubbers.
They don't care about groundwater contamination.
So then the solar industry says, well, if you tariff us, we're not going to be able to have solar panels.
Well, I'm tired of you outsourcing your slave labor and your environmental practices to the third world.
We have to stop doing that.
If you want to make solar panels, make them responsibly here in America, and then people will realize that they're useless, that we shouldn't just stick with fossil fuels, which are great.
Yeah, Daniel, I guess we've seen how much of a sort of green news scam this all really is.
You look at California, and even just breaking ground there is a challenge.
What's the EPA doing to overhaul that?
I've seen a lot of the things coming out of Lee Zeldin over there.
I mean, it seems like he's just getting rid of all of the nonsense, you know, and I'm sure there's plenty of nonsense.
I'm sure there's plenty of good stuff that he's keeping.
But what's the EPA doing that you're seeing to overhaul?
Yeah, Lee Zeldin, he is the cabinet member, I think, who's come out swinging the hardest.
And he's been remarkable in a very short period of time.
And I think because he realizes...
As he took the role, how much damage the EPA was doing, hiding again behind, we just want clean air and clean water.
When it comes to California particularly, there's a legislative fix that I know the administrator is following that will no longer allow California to have a waiver for EPA.
So a little known fact, without getting too nerdy, every time the EPA passes a rule, we're going to change the standards on this, on fuel, on emissions, on whatever it is.
California has a blanket waiver.
California doesn't have to listen to the EPA.
And the reason why is so that people like Gavin Newsom can then go on TV and say, well, the EPA administered that rule and we have had no effect on our economy because they don't get punished by the EPA the way other states do.
How did they get away with that?
How does that work?
How did California get some sort of sovereignty that the other states don't have the benefit of?
Exactly. The reason why is because they know that if California had to follow these rules, their economy would tank.
So California gets a waiver so that their economy can stay somewhat afloat and that they can also then claim that these new EPA standards don't punish their state.
It is absolutely absurd.
We wrote about it in a white paper at the beginning of the end of last year in preparation for this new administration to say California's waiver needs to be completely repealed.
But it has to be a legislative fix.
And I know that's something the administrator is working on with Congress, because California gets to thwart a lot of the rules the rest of us have to live by.
It's absurd, right?
It's kind of like, again, the XM Bank funding this pipeline in California.
There are structures in D.C. that punish us.
There are structures in D.C. With our own money.
With our own money that perpetuate deceit and fraud and lies, whether it's about climate, whether it's about global trade or foreign aid, right?
There are these structures that do so much damage to our country and to our economy.
And these structures are what the president is taking on.
But, oh, that's why these people are so damn angry.
So angry they're setting things on fire, which is what they normally do when they're angry anyway.
So it's not surprising.
Yeah. I mean, I guess we shouldn't be surprised, but the people who used to love Teslas are now having more fun.
Because they're environmentally friendly, have no problem literally burning lithium batteries to the ground, lighting tires on fire, setting entire dealerships up.
I mean, it's sort of amazing.
I mean, again, I'm not surprised by the hypocrisy of the left anymore because I know it knows no bounds, but it's definitely wild to see.
It is, and it's because they are uncovering a lot of the lifeblood of the left.
When you go around this country and you talk to people and you kind of get this sense, we don't really have a lot of liberals here.
Like, yeah, San Francisco and pockets outside of Boston and Beacon Hill and the Upper East Side, etc.
There are pockets of liberals.
But the country as a whole is fairly conservative.
It's fairly normal.
It's fairly Christian.
And yet you look at some of these organizations and you say, How do they have so much power?
How do they have so much momentum?
How do they give this impression that there's this large bastion of angry, crazy, pink-haired, trans climate?
And now you realize the whole thing is funded by the taxpayers.
Yeah, you know what?
You actually nailed it.
I never thought about it from the climate side, but I noticed that a lot, certainly on the trans thing.
I was one of the early guys calling out the trans women in sports because it was just ridiculous.
I have athletic daughters.
I was like, this is insane.
I don't even understand.
And, you know, this is like 2017, 2018.
You know, before it became that big, but that was like Twitter 1.0 when it was totally dominated by the left.
And even then, I'd say this, and people are like, oh, I hate Don Jr. so much, but he's 100% right.
Like, they literally couldn't believe they agreed with me on something.
I'm like, so then when I see this thing become this, you know, it was beyond reproach.
You must, you know, gender affirming care is the greatest thing in the world, and men playing women's sports is totally normal, and there's no advantage.
And then I was like, No one actually believed this, because when it was a 90-10 conversation left to right, they didn't believe it then.
They certainly don't now, and yet I think we now, I imagine most of the funding for that was coming from as well.
Yeah, and it's not just NPR, right?
It's not just PBS, which we know are taxpayer-funded.
But look at some of the earliest investigations of Doge, where how many journalists?
What was it, 4,600 or so were on the payroll?
Right, whole news organizations.
Oh, yeah, I mean, literally, $8 million.
I mean, some of the most leftist things, it's just like, here's a grant for money to do our bidding as the Democrats.
I mean, it's not like there was even a pretense of objectivity anymore, right?
These are hardcore left, what was it, Politico?
It got like $8 million, whatever.
It was like, it's more than they would make in the free market by a lot.
And yet, here's a grant from the government to keep doing your stuff.
And then you realize, the second those grants were in there, you understand now why they hated Trump so much, because they realized that's a threat to that future grant and whatever other agenda they were pushing.
And the big risk now, which is where, and this is where the president has a backbone and will not back down, but something the Biden administration did realize is that even Republicans like free money and free crap.
And as the president tries to take away the free crap and the free money, you're going to see some Republicans cave and say, well, Mr. President, we do need our green tax credits here because without that, they're all a little bit on the dole.
Biden gave out so much money for so many years that he got Republicans hooked on it.
And that's going to be a problem when it comes to energy projects and climate projects, because every Republican governor, for the most part, likes free money from the federal government.
And this is where it's going to be a huge clash as the president tries to rein in this insane budget that we have.
There's a lot of free money getting passed around and it has to come to an end.
It's poisoned the economy and it's also made Republicans weak.
Yeah, I agree.
Listen, I like to call balls and strikes and call out our side when they're doing it right.
I think you're probably 100% right with that.
So, hey guys, that's Daniel Turner.
Daniel, let the group know.
A lot of people are really interested in this conversation where they can see what you guys are doing, where they can get involved.
A big part of this thing is like, you know, we can talk about it, but other people have to help spread that message and educate themselves and make sure others get educated so that we can actually do something about it.
Yeah, thank you.
It's great to be on and with your listeners.
It's Daniel Turner and the organization is Power of the Future.
We fight for rural American energy workers, especially fossil fuel workers, and fight against the climate crazies who have poisoned this country.
And I'm glad to share this message with you.
So thank you very much.
Well, thank you very much, man.
I really appreciate you being on.
I look forward to having you back in the not too distant future as more news about all of this stuff breaks.
Thank you.
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