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July 16, 2024 - Triggered - Donald Trump Jr
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Trump-Vance is the ticket to restoring America First prosperity, plus David Sacks joins!
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Good evening and welcome to another huge episode of Triggered.
We never actually do a show on Tuesday, but I thought since I'm here at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee that we're going to do some extra special stuff, talk to some of the incredible people that are coming out here.
I'm joined today by the great David Sachs.
David is one of the most successful investors Maybe?
In the country, the world, just a great angel investor.
Some of his investments include Facebook, Uber, Airbnb.
This is going to be a great episode.
If you didn't watch the convention last night, you missed out.
It was a powerful, really a palpable moment.
David spoke, my father came out, but here's the moment The arena was just filled with chants, USA, USA, USA, as my father walked out.
I thought it was such a powerful moment.
There may have been some cameras on me that said, looks like Don Jr.' 's welling up.
It was allergies, obviously.
We don't do that.
But check it out.
I think it was an important moment for everyone to see.
USA!
USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!
Guys, the unity here, it's been incredible.
The party is focused on getting Joe Biden out of the White House and getting the country back on track.
It's being remade to focus on the forgotten man and woman, so many of those people that have been just left behind in Bidenomics.
Last night, the head of the Teamsters Union spoke at a Republican convention for the first time in history.
That's a game changer.
Another speaker last night said, what was my good friend, David Sachs, you were there.
David, again, one of the smartest investors out there.
I want to play your clip first and then we'll talk about all of these things.
But I thought it was a great and important moment.
Let's play that clip and then we'll get to David right away.
and the administration's policy towards Gaza has been so incoherent that the only thing
that pro-Israel and pro-Palestine protesters agree on is the chant F Joe Biden.
Rather than bolstering confidence in American leadership, as he promised,
President Biden has become the symbol of an America in decline.
This may be our present, but it does not have to be our future.
David, welcome to the show.
Thanks for doing this.
By the way, more importantly, thank you for being involved.
I mean, San Francisco tech investor, I guess we sort of broke some boundaries in 2016 with Peter Thiel and there was a lot of silence after that.
What made you want to come out and get involved?
I mean, that can't be easy.
Well, you know, what actually happened was a number of months ago, JD Vance, our mutual friend, asked if he thought that I could get together a fundraiser in San Francisco for President Trump.
And I said, well, how much do you need to raise in order to make this worthwhile?
And he said, five million dollars.
And I said, well, as you know, San Francisco is a liberal bastion, but we can do our best.
Yeah.
And, you know, secretly in my head, I wanted to do more than five.
I want to get like eight.
And I heard that in New York they had done one that did 10.
So I was like, that was our stretch goal.
And as it turned out, we ended up doing 13.
Wow.
And it was the week where the convictions in that sham trial came down.
And I think the whole country was outraged by the law.
I certainly was.
And so that just, I think, really gave us a big boost in terms of drawing people out in Silicon Valley.
And I wrote an endorsement explaining why I supported your father.
And it started to gain steam in Silicon Valley.
Now we've seen a whole bunch of other people have come out just today.
Mark Andreessen and Ben Horowitz endorsed.
I didn't even see that yet.
I've just been doing interview after interview after interview, you know, just trying to get someone.
That's pretty amazing.
Elon endorsed a few days ago.
I saw that.
He's going to contribute $45 million a month to sort of a Trump America first type pack as well, which I mean, sort of amazing.
Since Sheldon Adelson passed, there's not a lot of the sort of billionaire class that that'll spend that kind of money in politics.
The left has plenty of them.
I'm not sure what they're spending it for because I don't know what they're trying
to actually achieve anymore.
Lawfare, but.
I guess, but in San Francisco, have people started regretting the policies
that they seemingly keep voting for?
They keep putting these people in there.
It's led to crime, it's led to homelessness, there's the encampments every day.
Can the city be saved?
Are people ever gonna get sick of it?
Or is just sort of the virtue signaling of doing those things enough to fuel them?
Well, I think we broke the ice with that event, and I think there's a bunch of different areas where people are now starting to reevaluate.
So one is the whole crypto industry.
We had a huge turnout from crypto folks, and your father had given, I think, a great speech the week before, basically saying he was going to be the crypto president.
What the crypto people are looking for is just a framework.
They just want a legal framework so they can innovate.
So they got on board.
There are a whole bunch of folks from different areas of business who just felt like the regulations were out of control, and they just wanted to be able to get back to work.
Then there are people who are upset about the crime, the homelessness, the chaos in our streets, which you see a lot of in San Francisco.
And you know and then you've got people who are motivated by social issues So there's been a whole bunch of different reasons why people have have come out But yeah, I think we kind of broke the ice and since then he's just seen more and more business leaders And also tech people coming out the Winkvoss brothers endorse.
I think Bill Ackman's endorsed now so yeah, we somehow got something started and then I You know, somehow I got the invitation to come out here and speak, I think, on the heels of that.
And so I figured, okay, what the hell, I'll come out and speak.
Well, listen, I know you're obviously, you're instrumental also, you know, helping, you know, speak to my father about JD and some of, you know, so many of the unknowns.
And there's obviously a lot of sort of big forces pushing their own sort of, you know, puppet type candidates.
And so I think we overcame some pretty incredible bounds there.
But, you know, I wonder, you know, now that you've You're out there and, you know, that takes guts.
Have you seen any sort of financial or social repercussions to saying you're supporting my father for raising that money?
Or is that not as sort of verboten as it would have been?
I think somehow it's gotten easier.
I mean, I think there was potentially some risk to it.
I mean, I guess I'll never know about the business that I lose or the business that I never get.
That you don't know.
Right.
You know, there could be a cost to it, but I feel good that, you know, I made the right decision.
A, because it's the right thing to do.
B, I've only seen more people follow in the footsteps now and, you know, more and more dominoes keep falling.
With each incremental person who is willing to stick their neck out and do the right thing, it makes it easier for the next person to do it, the next person, the next person.
So I think that's where we're at right now.
And so we have all these titans of Silicon Valley coming out.
So at this point, it would be pretty hard to single me out.
Yeah, it was interesting.
I got a sort of interesting text from a reporter that I know would, you know, sort of,
we understand each other, we're a very, very different spectrum.
He goes, I'm in San Francisco and I keep seeing people wearing MAGA hats in the streets.
Like, where I think you would have been, you know, there's a chance a few years ago,
you'd have been stoned or thrown in jail for doing that.
But this guy was saying it and he was like, I've never seen that.
I mean, like if.
For him it was like, there is an upwelling.
People are sort of maybe coming to their senses a little bit, not just buying the narrative.
Do you see that as a possibility?
Yeah, well, you know, the guy who used to be wearing the red MAGA hat in San Francisco was my father-in-law, who is from Pennsylvania.
And he always came out and he, you know, didn't know that.
He always got weird looks.
But, you know, when we did the big event, the thing that was amazing that the president noticed is that along his motorcade, there were hundreds of demonstrators who came out, but they were all pro-Trump.
And the anti-Trump protesters, it was like a tiny number that were basically drowned Even in, you know, the liberal Bay Area, there was a huge, you know, sort of upswell of love, really, for the president.
And so, yeah, you know, I just, everywhere, it just feels like the momentum is for Trump.
And that, again, that was at the nadir.
I mean, that was when they came up with that whole ridiculous convicted felon, you know, sham show trial.
And since then, it's only been up and up and up.
You've had the debate where the president just destroyed President Biden.
Yeah.
And then, of course, what happened in Butler the other day, where I think the president demonstrated a kind of courage and heroism that just can't be, you can't fake that.
Yeah, I mean, obviously, you know, my perspective on all that's very different, right?
Let's call it a pissed off son that could even happen.
But you know what?
At the same time, I saw him come up defiant in the face of the fire.
These days, everyone's a badass on the Internet.
Everyone behind a keyboard can talk a lot of shit and be a tough guy.
When actually tested, you usually don't see that much sort of resolve.
And so far as a son, I was so proud at that moment.
But it's also interesting seeing other people be like, you know what?
I didn't like them, I don't like the mean tweets, whatever it may be, but that's what's going to keep us safe.
That's the guy I want picking up the phone at 3 o'clock in the morning when the world is collapsing and falling apart.
What did you see at that moment?
Yeah, well, the first thing that happened is I got a text from someone saying that President Trump's been shot.
My heart kind of sank and I was worried, so I got online right away.
I saw the video of the shots and him going down, and then I saw the video of the Secret Service really trying to haul him away, and him telling them, wait.
He stopped them and exposed his face to the crowd.
And he wouldn't know whether there was another shooter, whether that first shooter was even down, because he wanted the crowd to know that he was safe and that he was defiant in the face of that assassin's bullet.
I've never seen anything like it.
I think it showed true heroism. I saw lots of soldiers on X say things like, you know,
I've been under fire before. When that happens, you do not stick your head up like not one man
in a million would do that. Yeah. Well, he did it. And I think he showed a greatness that,
again, you can't fake that, that you've never seen.
I think we probably built a little different.
I think we'd all like to believe we'd react that way.
I'm not sure it always actually happens.
It was interesting.
On the way up here, I was hosting a war room, and then I came up here to do this, and two guys came up to me, and they were at the Butler PA rally.
They didn't know each other.
They're separate.
One guy was in the media stands, and one guy was just in the stands.
And they go, your father saved a lot of lives that day.
Like, what are you even talking about?
He goes, They were there and they were just saying,
it was about to just be full-blown panic.
Yeah.
When that happened.
I mean, the people were going to get trampled, or people fall off the risers trying to...
And he goes, when he came up, everyone just calmed down.
They stayed to just to what is like his calmness under that.
And again, this is literally happened 10 minutes ago as I'm walking up here and the other guy was like 100% I was there too.
I was in the media risers watching and I thought it was going to be a disaster because of that when he came up everyone just settled back down.
And I mean, I think it's so perhaps so indicative of exactly again, the leadership that we probably need as a country.
Yeah, so my father-in-law was there.
You know, the Red Maga Hat.
I didn't know that.
Oh, I'm sorry.
The Red Maga Hat guy was actually there.
I was going to say, when you brought up Pennsylvania, that made me think of that story.
Yeah, he was there.
He was about 20 rows back from the front.
And yeah, that's exactly the scene that he described.
He said that it was pandemonium, that the audience was in fear.
They were in fear about what happened to the president.
And then when he got up and turned to the crowd and said, fight, and showed them the expression on his face, it was certainly calming.
And then they roared back.
Uh, USA, USA, USA.
Don't forget that part.
Wow.
I, you know, and he's sort of, you know, I've lived my life on the clip with a couple of seconds and I see the fight, the fight, the fight, but I didn't sort of see, you know, they sort of.
He said fight, fight, fight.
They said USA, USA, USA.
Wow.
I mean, it is a, you know, I think of, you know, sort of the, I guess we've been cranking out some iconic photographs these days, many of them not great.
The mugshot was sort of the first one, but I see that picture with the American flag draped in the background, and, you know, I say, however iconic perhaps the mugshot was, you know, relatively speaking now, that looks like a kid probably drew it with a crayon compared to that picture as just a symbol of the resolve our country has.
Yeah, I mean, it was remarkable.
I agree.
It's hard to even describe.
Yeah, it was interesting.
I was actually pretty calm until it took me 90 minutes to get a hold of my father.
They shut everything down.
They cut all cell phones off.
And I'm like, all I got was the call.
He was shot.
I'm like, what?
What does that mean?
That can be many things.
And so I didn't know for so long.
And then once I found out, I started seeing the videos.
You sit down, the adrenaline dump was just like, It was a, it was a really, it was a really heavy moment.
And I think, you know, I think we'll all remember where we were that day.
Yeah, it's one of those like the challenge.
I remember where I was sitting in second grade classroom.
You know, when that happened, there's a couple moments in American history that I guess, you know, Maybe everyone will live through some of them great, some of them not so great, and perhaps that could have been significantly worse had that thing been a half inch over to the right.
Yeah.
Butler Farm would have gone down in history with Ford Theater and the Dallas Book Repository.
I mean, we came that close.
I've got to talk a couple of things.
I've got a great tech investor on.
Talk a little bit about AI.
We see so much of what's going on there right now.
We see the capability.
It sort of reminds me of all the stuff last week we saw.
Well, that was a cheap fake.
No, it wasn't.
That was Joe Biden.
It didn't take AI to make Joe Biden look like an imbecile.
He does that totally on his own.
He's fine.
But what are you seeing out there?
It came on so quick, so strong.
It's advanced so much in even the last couple of months.
What goes on in the future?
Yeah, I mean, this is a whole new computing platform.
I think it's a new revolution.
It's going to be very, very interesting where it goes.
I think one really simple way to think about it is that we're giving computers Some senses.
We're giving it vision, computer vision.
It can actually now look at photos and videos and understand what it's looking at.
It has audio.
Basically, it can hear you, understand what you're saying, and it can speak.
And then, I think most importantly, it understands language now.
And that's really the key breakthrough, is that computers didn't understand the human language before this.
You had to give it very specific magic words in order to command it to do something.
Now you can just talk to it.
So that's the beginning of this revolution.
So you can tell it to do things now.
Well, you know, chat GPT, tell me the answer to this question.
Or soon, use it as what's called an agent, where you'll say, okay, go on the internet, find this, organize it into this kind of information, and the possibilities are just kind of limitless.
It's interesting because, you know, I remember in my father's, when the Biden administration took over, they cancelled those pipelines and all some of these, you know, hard working sort of roughnecks.
And, you know, the media was doing their usual sort of disdain for the working class people.
And they started the whole sort of learn to code trend.
But then you actually see what's happened in the few years since then.
And AI actually seems to be probably most dangerous to jobs of actually some of the, let's call it the knowledge workers.
Knowledge workers, right?
Some of the white-collar basic jobs, you know, even legal.
And you can see that almost being totally displaced.
How does an economy, how do those people adapt, right?
It was hard to tell a roughneck to change his career or a miner to change his career when he's 50, but he still has a long way to go and he can't retire and live off benefits for 40 years.
It doesn't work that way, unfortunately.
What happens?
And how do we take care of that?
Because I see that void as being actually something that's, you know, a lot of existences are going to change very quickly.
Well, I think you're exactly right about where the disruption in the economy is going to be.
And I think you're right about what you're implying, which is when the disruption happened to blue-collar jobs, there's a certain callousness on the part of personal elites saying, You know, you're a steel worker.
Well, now you can learn to drive an Uber.
Well, you know, that may not be as fulfilling a job.
It may not be what people want.
In any event, the disruption this time is in the knowledge worker white collar world.
That being said, I do think that the predictions of massive job loss are a little bit overblown.
I think that what happens in the near term is productivity improvements.
You make everybody 10 percent, 20 percent, 30 percent more productive.
Maybe, does that mean that, okay, instead of having a team of five people, now you have a team of four people?
Yeah, that's possible.
But I don't think it just puts, you know, entire, you know, industries out of work.
At least not yet.
I mean, maybe in the long term, but... The curve is so fast.
Yeah.
I mean, it's really... It sort of feels like... I've seen this movie, it's called The Terminator.
It doesn't necessarily end all that well.
Yeah, I mean, so you take something like customer support, and most customer support centers, you've got the level one agents, level two agents, level three, based on how difficult the questions get and how difficult the cases get.
AI in the next couple of years could put all level one out of business.
You'll still probably need level two, level three, and so on, because there are still a lot of things that humans can do, and they have judgment that The AI doesn't have yet, but there is some question about what happens in the long term.
But look, I think we have to, on the whole, be positive about this technology revolution because in order to make the United States economy grow, in order to pay off, get out of this enormous debt we're in,
we need productivity.
We need a productivity boom.
The productivity is what ultimately creates GDP growth.
And where's the productivity going to come from?
And if we don't do it, you know, China is definitely going to do it.
Other countries will do it.
So we'll lose the innovation to those other countries.
So we have no choice but to stay on the cutting edge of this.
And, you know, regardless of where it leads, and that can be an unsettling thought sometimes, but...
Well, it was scary.
I know Elon sort of voiced this.
This was, you know, six, seven months ago, whatever it was.
He was like, hey, that's pretty scary what this could ultimately do.
And I was like, you know, I actually agree with that, but there's no way that Russia, China, Iran, you know, our enemies are never going to take their foot off the gas in terms of, you know, so if we hamstring ourselves on this technology and, you know, I imagine it gets to a point where By definition, it's just sort of exponentially taking care of itself and making itself more powerful and all these things.
So if the enemies are doing it, we can't really, we can't ever stop.
So you're in a bit of a vicious cycle with that.
We're in arms race, yeah, to be sure.
I mean, I still think, I'm still optimistic that this will be overall positive.
But it is true that if we just stop, it doesn't mean the innovation won't happen.
It'll just mean it's controlled by somebody we don't like, or might not like, I should say.
Yeah, I think we have to pursue this.
But I think, you know, again, I think we should see it mostly as an opportunity.
Right now what I see in Silicon Valley is that a thousand flowers are blooming.
You know, thousands of new startups are getting created, doing all sorts of new things.
I've got a company I've incubated called Glue, which is an enterprise chat tool where AI is like a full-fledged member of the chat.
We think it just makes people more productive.
There's no threat to it.
It's not harmful in any way.
So I think there's tremendous opportunity with this.
I think it's going to make the United States stronger at the end of the day.
So you mentioned crypto earlier, and a lot of those guys, Trump being the first person to openly embrace crypto as a presidential candidate.
Talk about that and the advances there.
I love so much about it, especially when you look at the way Our central banks function and we print money and it seems like a great hedge against perhaps some of the stupidity of governments who, you know, make sort of bad short-term decisions that will cost us in the long term because that's what it takes to get elected and we're going to spend more money now and buy a vote and whatever it may be.
Tell me what you're seeing out there and how do others who are watching who may not be as well-versed, how do they get into that game?
How do they immerse themselves, educate themselves so they can't either invest or play in it without Well, I think the starting point for understanding crypto is Bitcoin.
And Bitcoin was the first real digital currency.
And what does it mean to have a digital currency?
What it means is that you can enforce scarcity on something, even though it's digital.
Think about every other digital thing you've got in your life.
A photograph, a movie, a song, a book.
What it means to be digital is that you can make an infinite number of copies of it.
So screenshot that picture.
Yeah, exactly.
So wait, so how do you how do you make a currency that's fully digital?
But it can't be counterfeited, you can't make an infinite number of copies.
And that's where the blockchain comes in.
And it's a it's a digital, it's a secure ledger that uses cryptography.
And solved a lot of very complicated problems to ensure that your Bitcoin, your cryptocurrency stays unique.
Can't be pirated, it can't be counterfeited.
So it's a real breakthrough in terms of being able to create a digital asset that is also secure, non-copyable, non-fakeable, I guess.
And that provides a lot of opportunities.
So I think the thing that Bitcoin enthusiasts would say is that we can't really trust fiat currency.
Because at the end of the day, the government just prints that.
Well, what if they just decide to keep printing it?
What if they decide to put us $35 trillion in debt?
$100 trillion in debt?
$200 trillion in debt?
What if those debts become unpayable?
Well, Bitcoin is a type of currency that's decentralized, and it's controlled by a network, and it's not controlled by a government.
It's a little bit sci-fi, but it provides a way for people to pay each other in the future.
You know, it's like in the sci-fi movie where they're paying each other credits.
Where are those credits?
They're Bitcoin, you know?
So I think that's the starting point for understanding it.
And then what happened with kind of layer two is that once the blockchain got invented again as this ledger to keep track of the Bitcoin, people realized they could use it to do other things and basically is decentralized computing.
So If you're worried about AI becoming this super intelligence that takes over the world and is sort of totalitarian, crypto is the opposite.
It's decentralized.
It stands for freedom.
And so there's a very interesting dual track here happening with technology where, you know, hopefully AI doesn't become totalitarian, but that's the risk.
Whereas Bitcoin and crypto could be the thing that helps ensure freedom.
Yeah, because I see so many of the crypto bros, so to speak, they share a lot of sort of our values about that freedom about that and so when I
start seeing you know I love my father talking about it as president you
know embracing crypto and yet it's like one of those like I
don't really want government anywhere near any of this stuff right I mean
I mean, some of the beauty of it is that the government isn't there sort of taking advantage of the... I don't want to say you sort of get to hide behind some of these protections of freedom and whatever it may be in there, but what does happen when the bureaucrats get involved?
Do they sort of legislate out all of the things that Those guys love about those currencies.
Is there a way to prevent that from happening so that it stays true to what it actually is?
Yeah, well, so what's happening right now is that the Biden administration has been very negative towards crypto and specifically the SEC Commissioner Gensler has been quite hostile to crypto and has been prosecuting a lot of crypto companies.
And he's been doing this at the bidding of Elizabeth Warren, who also hates crypto.
So what they've effectively been doing is making it harder for crypto startups to To operate in the United States to innovate and they've been effectively driving them offshore And there are places in the world like you know Singapore that actually have more crypto innovation now than the United States So I think what the crypto community is asking for is just a legal framework.
They just want to know what the rules are This is what I hear over and over again is they say look we're willing to operate legally under whatever framework you tell us it just tells what the rules are and I think the frustration is that Gensler has not done that it's been It's been giving them a framework through prosecution as opposed to telling them in advance what the rules are and no business can operate that way.
So we talked about you being sort of intimately involved in helping sort of you know the JD Vance vice-presidential pick.
What made you think of him as such a strong person for that role?
Well, I think JD has a few really unusual traits or characteristics.
One is, you know, MAGA loves him and the tech community loves him.
That's like a really interesting combination.
What's going on here?
I'm confused.
I mean, yeah, you obviously know him through the tech world.
That's what he did.
So he knows technology, which is to say he knows the future and where it's headed, but he also knows where he came from.
You know, he has these roots in Appalachia.
A very poor family where he made good, and I think that he hasn't forgotten from whence he came.
So I think that's one set of very unusual characteristics that make for a great leader.
The thing that also appealed to me is that, you know, when J.D.
was in high school, the Twin Towers came down.
We were attacked on 9-11, and then subsequently, when the Iraq War began in 2003, he enlisted in the Marine Corps, and he was gung-ho to exact justice on America's enemies.
And I think that subsequently he came to realize that the Iraq war specifically, the forever wars in general, was a huge mistake.
And I think that to me, that's the right combination.
That's the kind of person I like by President Trump's side.
Somebody who's a patriot, who has the courage to fight America's wars, but the wisdom and the restraint to avoid wars that we don't need to get into in the first place.
So that's the thing.
And you know, he in the Senate, has been the biggest leader in asking tough questions about
this Ukraine war, which I consider to be a new forever war, because there's
no way of winning it.
It's just going to go on forever. It's costing us hundreds of billions of dollars.
I just saw today there's a new request from Zelensky asking for more money.
And no one's...
We're like the ATM machine, really.
And again, what's crazy, and I do this, and I watch all the rhinos in DC, I'm like, where's it go?
No one's even articulated to me what victory looks like.
It's just like, well, as long as we're spending money, military-industrial complex gets rich, the rhinos get their board seat at Raytheon eventually, but you only keep that if you keep selling missiles for no reason.
It's lunacy to me.
One thing I think about a lot is the Powell Doctrine.
You know, after the Iraq War and that mistake, one of the few officials from the George W. Bush administration who acknowledged that they had made a mistake was Colin Powell, General Powell.
And to his credit, he formulated the Powell Doctrine, which I think was a version that actually came from the, I'm trying to remember who it was, Scowcroft, I think.
in the Reagan and Bush senior administration.
Anyway, the Powell test gives you something like eight different questions
that you have to ask before you can commit America to getting involved in a war.
They're questions like, do you have a strategy for winning?
You know, what is your, you know, do you have clear, do you have a clear, do you have clearly defined objectives?
Have you tried diplomacy?
Have you tried every other way to avoid getting into a war?
Do you have an exit strategy?
You know, uh, do you have the international community on your side?
You know, there's a whole list of questions.
You know, I went through this list in respect to Ukraine and you're hard pressed to answer even one of them, uh, in the affirmative.
And so, You just have to ask the question, what are we doing?
There is no clear hope of victory.
They sold us this dream of a summer counter-offensive last year where we would give the Ukrainians $113 billion and then they would evict the Russians from their territory in this grand summer counter-offensive.
It was a total disaster.
Well, so what's the new strategy?
We just keep giving them more money and hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians Keep dying and actually they're losing more territory and we're risking this thing escalating into World War 3.
So there is no clear strategy.
It's not doing us any good as I said in my speech, you know, the supporters of this war say that we're trying to weaken Russia.
We're not weakening Russia.
Russia's military is bigger today than it was before the war.
They have more soldiers enlisted.
Their country is united.
They think they're fighting an existential war.
Their economy is now on a war footing.
They're producing more of everything.
Artillery shells, tanks, planes, drones.
And while we shut down our oil production industry, they've basically funded the war with the Delta in the rise in oil prices.
It's almost like it's a net neutral for them.
The Russian economy is growing faster than any G7 economy.
It's a total opposite of what Biden promised when he first got us into this, which is that we would crush the Russian economy with sanctions.
So in every single way, this war has backfired, and yet no one is willing to reevaluate it because You know, once you sort of commit to these things, you never want to admit you're wrong, you know?
And so we already have this kind of like zombie policy where we just keep funding more death and destruction.
It's not serving America's interests.
It's costing us a fortune.
And J.D.
was one of the first people to say in the United States Senate, like, again, what are we doing here?
What's our strategy?
Tell me how we're going to win.
Tell me how this $60 billion is going to make a difference and how We're not going to be back here asking for another 60 billion next year.
And by the way, it hasn't even been a year yet.
No, they did another 50 a week ago.
I mean, we're at 200 plus billion.
Right, plus what Europe is doing.
That's the budget of the United States Marine Corps.
We've done four times the budget of the United States Marine Corps to protect someone else's borders.
We can't take care of our own.
We have 100,000 deaths a year.
That's two Vietnams from fentanyl.
And yet we're worried about their borders, and no one's even... Yeah, what about our border?
I know there's so many priorities at home that I think the American people want us to focus on.
And I think the question rightly is asked, why are we prioritizing Ukraine's border but not our own?
It's insane.
It's like, don't even talk to me about some other country's border until we have completely defended, protected, and sealed our own border from invasion.
And I think it's one of the most outrageous things that's happened during the Biden administration.
They just opened things up.
You know, your father had the wall.
It was almost done.
There were a few extra pieces that they just needed to stand up.
They sold them off for scrap metal for two cents on the dollar.
This is one of the most mind-blowing, outrageous things to me.
Well, it's intentional, right?
Yeah.
It's clearly, you know, intentional.
But so you're talking about the administration.
I see the passion and or frustration, right?
And I think we all see that.
I think that's America today.
But would you ever actually see yourself in an administration?
I don't think so.
I mean, honestly, I do this podcast, The All In Pod, every week, and that's kind of how I, that's my outlet.
I see it all the time, people.
When are you going to run for something?
I like to talk, I don't want the day job.
You gotta want the day job.
Yeah, that's true.
That's true.
I mean, for me, I really like my day job of being involved in technology, tinkering with products, doing the podcast.
I feel like that gives me, The way to speak out and, you know, I don't know that I would like a day-to-day job in Washington.
That's like a whole different type of life.
Well, you've made some, you know, really strong early investments, a lot of cake.
You know, companies.
What is it that you're looking for when you see these?
You know, in Silicon Valley, I mean, everyone's got a tech idea.
What separates, you know, the great idea from the abject disaster?
Because some of these things, you know, when you see them, I mean, it could go, you know, one bad decision and it's over, I would think.
You know, what are you looking at when you're doing?
What makes the unicorn stand out?
Well, that's a really tricky question, but you have to get inspired by the founder that what they're doing can be huge.
That they kind of paint a vision for you, that they're going to create something new that hasn't existed before, or it's fundamentally disruptive to an existing market, and that that is going to somehow take over the world.
It's going to create a very, very big market.
And we're investing at such an early stage that it's hard to know.
Your father had a really funny line about this.
When we were at dinner, he goes, David, he invests in 20 companies at the same time, one of them works, and he's a genius.
And I was like, you really understand venture capital like you got it.
There's a lot of truth in that.
It's like, why are the venture capital fees so much?
Because it's like, you got a paper for the ones that are never going to pay out, right?
Yeah, totally.
In VC, what is a good hit ratio?
Well, it's interesting.
It's about, it's not about batting average.
It's about slugging percentage.
So, you know, the home runs, you just need one home run.
And it's even if you can get one grand slam home run, that's even better than a couple of home runs.
So, you know, it's about kind of like you just hit, you know, one big Homer, you know, every couple of years.
And, you know, it's a, um, it can be a nerve wracking business because, You can make a bunch of bets that you thought made sense and it can be fail, fail, fail, fail.
And then all of a sudden you hit it.
We're like, OK, we're doing good.
So, you know, that's that's the business.
What are you most excited about now?
You know, when you're seeing stuff, is there a sort of a new type of thing that's showing up more often that you're seeing or is it?
It's all AI all the time now.
It's all AI.
Yeah, it really is.
More so than even crypto.
For me, yeah, there are crypto-specific funds who do like all crypto, but we're more of a software investor.
So for us, that means AI.
Interesting.
Well, guys, we're going to have something interesting.
I know we got Tucker Carlson in the room.
We got Dan Bongino in the room.
We're going to be doing a Rumble Raid to Dan Bongino's stream live with Tucker Carlson sitting in in just a few minutes.
We're going to be doing that right here on Rumble.
So click join to head over.
You definitely don't want to miss this.
Maybe, Chris, you want to sit in at all?
We got Chris Pawlowski, CEO of Rumble.
We can do all of that.
Tucker and Dan are talking to some buddies over there.
You want to hop on?
What do you have for David Sachs, Chris?
We got to see, you know, one tech guy to another.
You and Mike.
Well, David's a fellow board member.
I'm aware.
You have to put him under pressure.
So have you been happy with Rumble?
Yes.
How much pressure can we put Chris under right now?
Well, Chris is an example of a founder with a vision, with a strong vision, a strong mission, which is all about free speech and being the platform for free speech and not compromising on that.
So that's what you want to see in a founder.
Exactly.
Very important in this days and age, right?
So with all the other platforms and the incumbent platforms moving away from it, it's Well, he was, I mean, when I met Chris, I met through, you know, Dan Bongino, it was right around the time where they threw my father off Twitter, and I was like, man, I gotta get on, Dan's like, hey, you gotta get involved in this.
I think it was like, you know, second or third sort of verified user on Rumble, but Chris is one of the only guys that's really, despite the pressure, despite the, he's literally the only guy to stick to that free speech message, really, on any sort of social platform and a video platform, and I, Yeah, no, it's evolved.
Like, when I first got in in 2013, it was, you know, you saw the platforms kind of preference the big creators, corporations, and then by 2020, it got very political very fast.
I would say maybe a couple years prior to that, it changed a lot.
All the platforms kind of picked a side where we kind of stayed in the center.
We were neutral.
We didn't pick any sides and just being fair and honest.
We had a lot of growth start coming in once we did that.
Just being fair and being honest to the creators and the viewers, it takes you all the way home.
How did you guys meet?
What's the first time we met?
Was it through Dave Rubin or how did we?
Yes, we met, I guess, through the acquisition of Locals.
That's right.
We bought.
So David was an investor in Locals and then we picked up Locals.
I think it was like twenty twenty one ish late twenty twenty one when we acquired Locals and we met.
Narya is where we met.
Colin and Ethan.
So I think the Locals acquisition was a big success for you guys, right?
Wouldn't you say?
Yeah, that's been a huge win for us.
And then we had incubated a company called Colin, which did social podcasting, I guess you'd call it.
You create a room and you have an audience in there.
Sort of like Clubhouse.
But it was kind of Clubhouse meets podcasting, and then we ended up selling it to Rumble, and they turned it into Rumble Studio.
Yeah, and Rumble Studio is what you're using now, and it's... I think it was built by Axel.
Yeah, Axel.
Axel was my co-founder, CTO.
Oh, wow.
And he works at Rumble now.
Yeah.
And then they put him on the board.
Yeah, he's amazing.
He's great, and he's built an incredible platform with the studio.
I think it's very revolutionary.
The product has made so much movement in the last year.
It's been phenomenal.
But the Rumble Studio is on fire.
It allows every creator to monetize their streams.
And it makes it super easy from your phone.
And we're using it right now.
I can basically do that from my phone.
I don't know how easy it is.
Will Dan not do that?
No, he's going to do it.
He's like, hey, for breaking news, why not?
Why not jump on the phone and just stream straight from wherever it is?
You can bring in guests.
It's really cool.
It works really, really well.
We should get those two guys.
I'll go grab them.
We're going to bring in Dan Bongino.
We're going to bring in Tucker Carlson.
David, you want to stick around?
I think this could be a fun one.
So right here, I guess, Hey, you can join up with that live stream.
I guess we're going to merge Rumble Raid into Dan Bongino's stream.
We're going live.
Tucker, Dan Bongino.
This is like the first time we're really seeing each other face-to-face since all of this insanity.
We're here.
How you doing, man?
Yeah, no, we haven't, which is really sad.
Oh, really?
You know, we haven't, which is really like a tragedy, considering everything you've done for free speech and the anti-censorship.
What's happening?
Look at this.
Yeah, yeah.
Here.
This is so cool.
Yeah.
They're on to you.
Hey, Chris, you want to explain how to do the raid?
Is there more to it?
I don't know.
You know, what makes me worry is that David Sacks got... Okay, so at the end of this stream, we can raid.
We can go into Dan's... Oh, God.
I've never been on your show before, too, which is tragic.
I wanted to say... I've never been on your show.
Yeah, you haven't.
You live right down the road.
No.
Maybe that's bad.
Who knows what their angle is.
Yeah, that's totally right.
That's always something bad.
What's happening, guys?
Man, I'm so honored to have this guy on my show.
You know, he's a man of his word.
I did his podcast.
We're doing a show in Tulsa, September 11th with me and you on stage.
We're going to tear it up.
Yeah, that's kind of like... Let's slide this mic over a little bit.
I think that's better.
Oh, thank you.
So I did his show and I said, Tucker, you got to do me a favor.
At some point, come on the podcast.
So I texted him here.
I know he's busy.
He's got a speech.
Uh, primetime speech, and within five minutes, because he's a man of his word, got right back to me, he said, dude, be there, no problem, so we'll be doing it right after this.
Well, because I was thinking about you, because I've been obsessively watching your commentary on the assassination attempt on Saturday, and I'm trying to be a reasonable person and not a nutcase, not to live down to my ugly reputation, and read... You too are a threat to democracy!
I am!
It's so inflammatory, it's so upsetting, and the implications are so dark that I don't want to say anything That's not true.
I haven't said anything, but I've been watching you because you have the knowledge, the accumulated knowledge, of this very specific topic.
How do you protect a head of state?
And I think that your commentary on this is totally responsible and smart and shocking.
Yeah, well, so, you know, I assume I can speak freely.
I don't usually talk about conversations that we have, but, you know, I know you called me that night, and we spoke, and I, you know, I know you... I think we were both in shock.
Oh, I was, like, and it's... but mostly because it's like... And it wasn't a short call.
No, it wasn't.
I know what these guys do, because I had a detail.
You were in the Secret Service.
I've been around my father's detail, and like, you and I are going through these facts, and again, you're right, Tucker.
You don't want to be the guy being conspiratorial.
If I was, you know, I'd be chastised in the media, and I'm, you know, again, all the things they've called me for eight years anyway, so maybe it doesn't matter, but I'm like...
It literally can't happen.
I can't think of a scenario in which that would be allowed that isn't conspiratorial.
And I mean, you took it sort of, I was following you on Twitter that night and then we spoke and it was like, you took it like point by point by point and it's, this wasn't like one little lapse in judgment.
It had to be an entire Well, can I ask you, none of you all were Secret Service aides.
You have expertise outside of my arena.
Finance, tech, building things.
Tucker, you've been in media since I was a kid.
I mean, I think my first interview was on Fox.
One of them was with you when you were guest hosting Fox and Friends on the weekend.
We talked about the Second Amendment.
I was sad.
There's one thing I can do pretty well, which was protection, right?
And the basic rule of protection is you get the guy or woman who's being attacked, you protect the off the X.
Whether it's in a vehicle that's being attacked or on stage.
Why was your father brought on the stage in the first place if 26 minutes prior they had a threat they couldn't mitigate?
There was a threat, whatever it was, a couple years ago, where they just did that.
They just took him off the stage.
It didn't matter.
He wasn't there, but they weren't sure.
The default was you don't ever put them in the situation if you're not sure.
You've had a Secret Service detail, so you can attest it.
There's a holding room, right?
Everywhere.
The holding room is called the holding room for a reason.
Tucker, it's where we hold the protectee.
That's why it's called the fucking holding room.
Like, why not put him in the holding room say hey we're gonna take 10 minutes we've got a potential
threat could be nothing likely is mitigate the threat go out give the
speech you think the networks aren't gonna wait on your dad oh forget it he's 10
minutes late we're good I mean Biden shows up two hours if he gets even has a
damn speech and they get I was gonna say Biden would have actually reacted
better in that circumstance because he wouldn't have even flinched it's
not because he's brave it's just he wouldn't have known what was actually
going on right it was Well, he has facial paralysis, so yeah, there's that.
And hand paralysis, just brain paralysis.
It's pretty bad, but yeah.
And when I heard it first, I was like, well, it must have been, you know, shooter, sniper, whatever you want to call it, from like a thousand yards out.
Maybe they missed the wind call kind of thing.
But the one that, the stat that got me was inside 150 yards.
Inside 150 yards.
You're an outdoorsman, right?
150 yards.
Well, yeah, I shoot a lot, like every day.
And that's nothing.
Not with that round, it's totally fine.
Yeah.
But the fact that a shooter could get in that close, right?
It'd be one thing if you couldn't protect the hill from a mile away.
It's like, okay, there's guys that can make that shot.
But to get in that close and be able to have that happen is scary.
But in their defense, the pitch on that roof was severe.
You know it was.
For a second there, I thought you were serious.
I know, it's amazing.
I can't believe this interview.
Chris is no more Pummelator.
That was the Secret Service Director's thing.
Well, there was a, they didn't have anyone on the roof because the pitch, they were worried
that they would fall off the roof.
Well, it's an ocean reg.
I mean, let's be real, you know what I mean?
They can't climb that roof.
Are you kidding me?
But that's what, we've become these morons.
Can I break some news on your show?
I was gonna do it with Tucker next, but I'll do it here.
So I was just showing Tucker some material from an unimpeachable source, let's just say, on the matter.
That post, according to my source, that roof was supposed to be a police post.
It was supposed to be someone there.
They're now making up excuses, saying the pitch of the roof.
My source says to me, no one knows why the post didn't show up.
So that's a nonsense story they're putting out in the media.
And I was also told that the Secret Service Director has been given instructions from the administration and the DHS Secretary You want to keep your job, you'll keep your mouth shut about this.
They're not putting that out there, but if you get those site post logs and those police instructions and there was a post on there and they didn't show up and no one checked, someone could have got your dad killed within millimeters.
So how do we get answers, right?
Because I don't personally trust the FBI to investigate anything at this point without politicizing it or weaponizing it.
I don't think I would trust them to run this investigation.
That's me based on, you know, them vilifying, you know, parents at PTA meetings, calling them domestic terrorists.
How do you get in, I guess, as someone who's been there, how do you get to the bottom of this?
Because I don't trust the government to do that.
The government hasn't earned my trust.
They've earned my mistrust over the last eight years.
Well, the FBI is terrifying, but this is maybe the one potential crime that will be solved, or at least rectified going forward, because the Federal Protective Services protect politicians, and they're almost all physical cowards.
They're terrified of getting hurt, and the idea that they could be exposed is not acceptable to them.
And so you've got an entire Congress full of people who think or want to be president, Yeah.
And they think, a lot of them think they're going to be, and they don't want to be left out at a rally with the
shooter 150 yards away.
And so I do think there's a built-in incentive for these people to get to the bottom of it.
Because it is, it's terrifying to everybody.
Yeah. Where does that happen though?
I mean, how do you create an independent body?
It's got to go through Congress?
Look, what do I know?
But I've talked to a number of members of Congress who are upset about it.
And the ones I've spoken to love your dad.
But I would imagine even ones who don't are like, we can't have that.
That could be me.
I mean, there is a sense in which it's a fraternity, right?
Yeah, I guess that's right.
I never thought of it that way.
Yeah, anyone who has sort of the hubris enough to serve in Congress probably has the ego to believe that they're going to be president too one day.
Saying things that some people don't like, thinks to himself, you know, someone could take a shot at me.
And there's vast precedents for that in our history.
I had Jim Jordan on today and he, you know, he seemed to indicate at least in the early stages, you know, unfortunately when it involves your dad, obviously the TDS thing is real.
People go crazy.
They do stupid things.
They lose their minds.
But he said in the early stages, at least, that he's seen that the, it appeared at least, the Democrats on the committee, oversight and elsewhere, were, cause like you just said, I think they're thinking themselves, like, gosh, I've gotten through it.
It's like, I don't want to die either.
Like all this TDS stuff I was doing for the media is all bullshit.
I could get hurt too.
He said a lot of them expressed a pretty keen interest in keeping it really non-ideological in the hearing.
And I said, please, once we get this hearing going, no bullshit.
I don't, you know, they get three minutes, Don, you know what happens?
You get two and a half minutes of a campaign speech, and then a guy throws in a question.
You're like, what was the point of this shit?
I said, can we just please coordinate?
Everyone's got a soundbite for Twitter.
I want to go viral.
It has nothing to do with what it is, but I need the clip to go viral.
How about this?
How about we keep the potential next president and former president alive and just get to the point with the damn question?
Well, but also just look at Washington after January 6th.
The Capitol got much more secure.
I mean, it became just a Fortified facility, and the rest of the city became incredibly dangerous, including the neighborhood I spent my life in.
I really have carjackings in my neighborhood.
So Congress took care of itself.
Wasn't there a shooting with Sotomayor?
I mean, didn't they try to carjack a Supreme Court Justice last week?
Yeah, but no one's getting into the Capitol, because that's where the politicians live.
Yeah.
Interesting.
The outskirts... 100%.
Union Station across the street is scary as hell.
You can't use the men's room.
But the Congress, it's not the people's house.
It only belongs to the mandarins who who live there.
It's just, they're disgusting, actually, if I can say.
So listen, we were talking earlier with David, obviously, about J.D.
Vance.
I know you guys were both, because we spent an undue amount of time sort of talking about this, making the case.
You guys both, obviously, very big fans and pushed very hard for it as some of the sort of, let's call it the unbiased voices in my father's ear, meaning the person, the people who can give him decisions who aren't on other people's payrolls.
I'm glad we got there.
I know it took a lot of effort, but I think it's an important call.
So you guys were an intimate part of that.
What are your guys' thoughts?
I'm glad we got there.
I know it took a lot of effort, but I think it's an important call.
Well, it's going to be a while before I figure out all of his meanings.
Super quick, I would say, everything in politics is difficult.
I'm not involved in politics.
I don't understand it very well.
Doug, you're incredibly involved in politics.
We don't see ourselves that way at all.
I'm not a politician.
They're like, you bitch about this stuff all day long.
That's right.
I talk.
I have no power.
I don't pass laws.
But it's difficult.
It's worth it.
Someone has to do that.
A. B. It's crazy.
I love JD Vance.
I know him personally.
I've known him long before he got into politics.
And that's real, my affection for him and my admiration for him as a man as well.
But the idea that people who've screwed up our country to the extent that they have, who have an unmitigated track record of failure, who backed the Iraq war and never apologized for it, who spent 20 years in Afghanistan to no benefit to the United States, only pain and suffering, that those people would have influence over our country going forward is so offensive to me that I just couldn't deal with it.
Just on principle, I cannot deal with it.
Mike Pompeo has a voice?
Really?
Lindsey Graham is still here?
Like, what?
I'm not saying they should be in prison.
I personally feel that way, but I'm not in a position to do anything about that.
But they should not be at the helm.
They should have no power.
They've discredited themselves so completely that how about no?
I'm a father of four.
I'm big into how about no.
Yeah.
And somebody say, how about no?
And I think the JD Vance is a big how about no.
Yeah, that was sort of the win for me, which is like, it was such a statement in the face of, again, the warmongers and the bureaucrats and the swamp, you know, because we were all collectively sort of lobbying.
I think we're probably the loudest voices in my father's ear.
I think we were.
Without question.
But we were up against the trillionaires.
David's done pretty well for himself, but I don't consider you that way.
They're sort of the Rhino-Neocon warmongers.
I'd say between, candidly, Fox News and this and all the people on the payroll and the trillionaires, we were up against some formidable forces.
And to get that result, I think it's just such a great statement for sort of just America first for the MAGA movement into the future and democracy.
I'm not against billionaires.
I'm hardly against, you know, wealth accumulation.
I'm a right winger.
I have been my whole life.
But because you have a billion dollars doesn't mean that you alone control the government.
And just the hubris in some of these people is insane.
And I don't want to name names.
I don't want to be divisive or like go all in on Ken Griffin or, you know, get personal about it, but it's just crazy.
No, I wasn't talking specifically about Ken Griffin.
Ken Griffin, Ken Griffin.
But I just mean, because you accumulate a vast fortune through finance does not mean that you know anything about anything other than finance.
And it doesn't mean that your will is equivalent to, say, 11 million votes of American citizens.
Like, that's not the system that I want to live under.
Sorry.
What about you, Dan?
I know you were a very vocal advocate.
I called you, I was like, hey man, do you think you can allow me to call to my dad?
Because again, you do that, and then five minutes later, someone hears about it, and they're rushing in because they're on one of the other people's payrolls, and they're telling him.
I'm like, well, then my dad calls me, what about this?
I was like, well, but they tell you ports 2, 3, 4, and 5, so you always have to be the last voice in his ear.
You do have to be the last voice in his ear.
One thing you know about your dad, obviously a lot better than me, is your dad has a bullshit detector like no one else.
Dealing with union construction in New York, right?
Come on, dude.
You and I have talked to him.
Like, he sniffs out bullshit so fast.
And one of the things I've never done with your dad is abuse the privilege of being able to pick up the phone.
Ever.
People do it to say they did it.
Oh, look, I talked to you.
You don't need to.
It's like someone else's flex.
They do it in front of their friends to be like, why do you need?
Is it about something substantive?
I've called your dad, I don't know, in five years, maybe 10 times, maybe.
And they're always short.
I made two calls about political candidates, about two people.
I made one call about this guy in Ohio running for Senate.
I said, please do not endorse these other guys.
J.D.
Vance is the guy.
I said, I'm begging you.
I called Scavino and I called your dad.
I said, these other two candidates, nice guys, maybe.
I don't know.
I don't know him personally.
I don't really care.
I don't want to date the guy.
I'm looking.
This is the guy.
I said, please.
And I made a call about another guy.
His name is conveniently J.D.
Vance as well.
And he looks like that cat from Ohio.
And I said, I said, Mr. President.
This is the guy, man.
I said, the Hippocratic Oath, brother, with the VP, do no harm.
I said, J.D.
has almost no downside.
Oh, he said this.
Everybody says something about a politician.
What are you kidding me?
What have you ever run for office?
You know how much shit I've said about politicians?
People running against their mom have said bad things about politicians.
That's the best you got?
I said, he's a bulldog.
He's young.
He's energetic.
He speaks the language of the working man.
He can go in a... Tucker, this dude can sit in Pennsylvania and park there and talk to coal miners.
Talk to them like he knows them.
Because he does.
He's not faking it.
He's not giving some Joe Biden bullshit speech where he's just making... Hey, I was raised in the Puerto Rican, Greek, Polish community.
Had a real oil slick.
I beat the shit out of Corn Pop.
I was the state scoring champion.
J.D.
can actually tell you his real story, you know?
Oh, by the way, David, now that you're in tech, How quickly will Netflix take Hillbilly LG off of their... Is it already off?
They have to be a little bit subtle.
They have to wait till tomorrow to actually, to make sure that no one ever can see the story of his life, which is I think one of the great sort of American success stories.
It's an American dream story that many people perhaps don't even think could exist anymore.
Yeah, I think the word you're looking for is ghosted.
It'll be like it never existed.
Yeah, it's gone.
And it's gone.
It's like the South Park meme.
It's like, and it's gone.
But I love the fact he changed his mind.
I love people who have sincere changes of heart.
I think it makes them more sincere.
It's happened to me a million times in my life.
And if you can look right into someone's eyes and say, I was completely wrong and here's why I changed my views.
That person's more sincere, I think.
And he's actually thought about- Oh, 100%!
Right?
I'd love that.
Not just be like, okay, I'm willing to accept this now.
He's just like, hey, I was wrong.
Like, and here's why.
And then became, frankly, maybe the, certainly the most articulate, but champion of the cause.
Oh, he's ferocious.
And of the movement.
And he means it.
I watch him go on CNN, I watch him go on MSNBC, and like, he does a better job in just hostile media territory than Some of the, you know, the best conservative guys do on, you know, when they're getting pitched softballs on Fox.
Can I tell you J.D.
Vance's story?
I hope he doesn't kill me, but J.D., please forgive me for this, but this is a piece of the game.
You know, listen, we're all in this business.
I'm sure you too, David.
You talk to a thousand politicians, and as they grow on the hierarchy and totem of, you know, whatever, prominence, they start to leave more people behind, which is understandable.
But, you know, I feel like I've kind of earned my spot in my show.
Like, if I'm going to call you, I'm not calling you for bullshit.
And if I went out there and campaigned for you, which we did for a certain guy, I'll leave out.
And I call you once in three years, pick up the motherfucking phone because I'm not calling you to ask you how the weather's going to be tomorrow.
I'm calling you because it's something important and I need either your guidance or something on it.
J.D., man, I never called J.D.
ever.
And the day I heard he was one of the finalists, I said to my wife, who's sitting over there, did I not, Paula?
Did this not happen?
I said, I'm going to do a little test.
I'm going to call J.D.
and I'm going to see how quickly he calls me back.
Let me tell you something.
He didn't pick up, which is because I knew he was probably going to me.
Instantly, instantly text me back.
Hey, brother, sorry I missed your call.
I said, don't call me back.
That's all I needed.
Tell me that didn't happen.
Tell me that didn't happen.
That's all I needed to hear.
I can show you the damn thing.
And he turned to his wife, he's like, Bongean was weird.
But it is true, because we've seen that, right?
I saw it when, you know, when we had no chance of winning back in 2015, right?
It's like all these people, and then, you know, then, you know, November, whatever it was, eighth night, the morning after, it's like, hey man, We were with you all along.
I'm like, that's bullshit.
Like, you haven't called me in six months.
Like, you know, in fact, I see what you post on Facebook and you're fucking lying to me.
Like, you were never with me.
Well, Frank Clunts is out there today being like, you know, Trump's very handsome, actually.
I never realized just what an old man, but sort of like Ricardo Montalban.
All right, but if you guys haven't seen it... Oh, by the way, Chris, you gotta tell us what we gotta do, because I know you're flipping, I think, directly into your shows.
Okay, so you're gonna do the Rumble Raid, you're gonna basically just... But how do you do it?
Is that just... Right now, do they just click join, and they head over, you merge into... Okay.
Okay, so everyone in the chat can click join.
We'll flip into your show, because I know you're starting now.
Maybe we keep it going, but you're right.
The level of political convenience is truly spectacular.
But if anyone hasn't seen it yet, don't do it yet.
After this, you're going to click join.
You're going to head over to Dan's.
I'll stick around if you want.
Yeah, please.
Yeah, yeah.
Let's stick.
But you're going to get into that.
But after that, Please go watch Tucker's Lindsey Graham rant because it's one of the most epic things I've seen on social media.
It's too fraudulent.
I can't do it anymore.
If you looked up zero fucks given in the dictionary, that was Tucker on Lindsey Graham in that instance.
It was pretty amazing.
You gonna hang around?
Yeah, I'll hang around.
Guys, thank you so much.
David, thank you so much.
You can hang around too, obviously.
It's a dance show, but we're gonna sign off here.
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