Right Wing Revolution: How to Win on the Ground, at the Ballot Box, and Save the West, Charlie Kirk & Sean Parnell | TRIGGERED Ep.147
Right Wing Revolution: How to Win on the Ground, at the Ballot Box, and Save the West, Charlie Kirk & Sean Parnell | TRIGGERED Ep.147
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Okay guys, joining me now, my good friend, Turning Point USA founder, host of the Charlie Kirk Show, and author of the new book, Right-Wing Revolution, the one and only Charlie Kirk!
What's happening, buddy?
Don, great to see you, Don.
If there's one person who could take a lot of credit, in fact, the most credit for turning point success and everything, it's you.
You've always believed in us from the very beginning.
You know, there's a lot of people that say, I was there when, but Don, I was, you believed in me and our movement when I was wearing oversized suits and, you know, traveling across the country.
I was yelling at you, you can't go to a donor meeting with that belt.
It's falling apart.
You look like a schmuck and I'm not one for high fashion.
So that's saying something.
And you've always believed in us, and now you're publishing my book, which is just so cool, and it's doing really well.
So, Don, you've been a great friend, and it seems like the revolution that you and I have been part of, it just doesn't stop.
It's been, what, nine years now?
And it's not going to slow down anytime soon, that's for sure.
No, and I think so much of it was underway for so long, actually, Charlie.
I mean, I think it was there.
It was sort of the phenomenon of Trump that really got the other side to expose themselves.
I mean, I think we've been under attack for decades.
It wasn't just the last eight years, nine years that that's been going on, but it's accelerated so quickly.
So the new book is about how to save the West, which I legitimately think, like our civilization is at threat.
The leftists, they're not even pretending anymore.
How do we save it?
Yeah, that's right.
And Don, I mean, like, you, 15 years ago, would you have ever said that?
Of course not.
I mean, the stakes are higher than ever.
And they've done a methodical takeover of our institutions.
So we talk about in the book a couple things.
The first and foremost, we must be, we must care less about what they call us.
And this is what we call the big Trump lesson, uh, that DJT and yourself, it does not matter what names they call you.
It does not because they use name calling as a weaponized tactic to try to get you into a place of paralysis and to try to get you into a place of submission.
They want you to bend the knee.
They want to call you all the worst names that they could call you.
So there's a whole chapter on my life story on how it used to impact me when the New York Times would call me a racist.
Now I literally couldn't care less.
It's like, Oh,
It's a day that ends in Y. You call me a racist or you call me a misogynist, could not care less.
The way that we beat the woke is we also have to have a legitimate opposition party.
You know this, Don.
I am highly critical of the Republican Party because they deserve it.
The Republican Party does not fight to win.
The Republican Party is like the Vichy French.
They are the moderate wing of the Democrat Party.
We must understand that most Republicans are actually part of the Democrat Party when it comes to sending money to Ukraine or allowing our borders wide open.
One of the chapters we have here in Right-Wing Revolution is curing red state laziness.
Again, there's so much information in this book.
I encourage the audience to get it.
But one of the things we talk about is how many red states we control
And let's just apply it.
I know, Don, you might not be able to comment on this, but you could talk more broadly.
Why is it that red states have not used their prosecutorial or investigative authority to indict the left?
Yeah.
You look at what Letitia James has done to your family.
Letitia James did to the NRA.
Why do we not have Attorney General Marshall in Alabama?
Very sweet guy.
Very pleasant.
But why is he not using his office to go after the Southern Poverty Law Center?
Why are we not investigating BLM?
There's a whole chapter in this book that if we're serious about beating the woke, we must recognize we actually control more of this country than we realize.
We control 29 governor's mansions, 31 attorney general's office.
Think about that.
This is a majority right-wing country.
And only three of them are weaponized against their political opposition.
They all happen to be Democrats.
It's amazing.
But you see that.
You're right.
I mean, in the comments on here, so much of it is like, well, we're all complaining, we're all bitching about it, but like, what do we actually do?
And I think you're right.
You know, that apathy.
Some of the most conservative states in the entire union have literally the weakest conservative leadership at their helm.
And I never figured that out.
I don't understand it.
You can run a Great America First Patriot, someone that... And, you know, the Washington, D.C.
pseudo-Democrat that just has an R next to his name, but is functioning like a Democrat, seems to always pull it off.
So I have a theory about this.
I talk about it in the book, which is if your state is too red, Democrats, like actual Democrats, not right, like actual Democrats, then they run as Republicans because there's no chance that Democrats get elected.
And so you take states where you should have great representation, like Kentucky or Texas or Idaho, and you get some of the most moderate senators that you could imagine that are effectively Democrats.
However, when states are not that right wing and you have to compete, you actually get better representatives.
For example, Wisconsin.
Ron Johnson is amazing, and Ron Johnson has been a great fighter
We're
We're
You know, in this book, I go into detail.
You know, everyone complains about CRT, right?
Everyone complains about diversity, equity, inclusion.
Got it.
Why is it then that $120 million a year in Oklahoma is spent on schools that have LGBT centers, Q plus centers, that have DEI and critical race theory?
It shouldn't happen.
The 77 counties in Oklahoma voted for Donald Trump, every single county.
And yet, they have some of the wokest left-wing schools in the country.
That's just one example of hundreds that we have in the book, and curing that red state laziness is so important.
And then finally, it needs to be an attitude shift.
Far too often, I run into Republicans that say, well, we want to save the country, but we do not want to stoop down to the level of the Democrats.
Honestly, Don, I used to believe that.
I used to be, like, way more, like, we thought about that a couple of times.
I know no of course I mean that was like 2017 Charlie Kirk or 2018 and like I kind of like cringe at myself back then but honestly that's it I talk about in the book that kind of development of that I've went through was a really necessary one because I used to believe in our institutions.
I used to believe that like the the winner is the one that has the better argument.
No, the winner is the one that is willing to use political power when necessary.
That is a brutal truth, Don.
I don't like that.
I wish it was a coffee shop debate.
I wish we were, you know, fighting Democrats that cared about who actually had the better argument.
So again, don't mean to go on too long about that, but we must be willing to use political power to reciprocate.
Because if we don't, we are going to have great ideas in jail.
Yeah, no, I agree with you, and I've been saying it for a while.
We can't play t-ball while they're playing hardball.
It doesn't work.
And they're more than happy to let us play t-ball, and it's an easy existence if you're a Washington, D.C., sort of weak Republican.
You know, you can be Republican 90, 85 percent of the time, but, you know, as long as you fold when it actually matters, you have that easy existence.
But, you know, I will say, when we look at what's going on right now, you know, you joke about being carted off to the Gulags.
I don't actually think it's a joke.
I legitimately think that's on the table.
I can see that based on what they've tried to do to me over the last eight years, what they're trying to do to my father, what they did to, you know, J6ers and even incredibly, you know, peaceful people taking selfies inside the velvet ropes.
And, you know, it's a disparate treatment.
Every time, every election cycle, everyone's always said, well, this one's the most important ever.
I mean, this time it actually
Really feels like it.
You know, it used to be a cliche, but when you look at what they're actually doing, not what they're saying anymore or what they're perhaps alluding to a little bit, but what they're actually doing, does it become too late at a certain point?
Is there a point where, you know, the pendulum just swings so far that it can never get back to center or certainly to the right?
How long can we withstand, you know,
Millions of illegal immigrants coming here that are purely designed.
I mean, they're saying it out loud.
It says, hey, we're losing those demographic, we're losing African-Americans, we're losing Hispanics, so let's bring in people that'll be permanent dependents and will vote for us.
It can get too late.
I mean, and the United Kingdom, I think, is like 10 years ahead of us.
I don't think the UK can be saved in its current form.
I'm sorry.
I mean, you were just there.
It's a husk of its former self.
And it's a really sad country.
And it's too bad because it used to be a really great country.
Of course, there is a breaking point.
I don't think we've reached that breaking point.
I think there are more decent Americans than indecent Americans.
And to your point here, that's why we need the right-wing revolution now.
And it ties in perfectly with the MAGA movement.
And let me be very clear, right-wing revolution sounds like really radical.
Do you know what I argue for in this book?
You know this, Don.
Getting married, having children, turning off your phone, spending time outdoors, you know, going hunting like you would enjoy, right?
Or I would enjoy more like going for a hike, right?
Like getting away from your devices.
Actually, an ordinary, boring, simple way of life is what I argue for in the book.
And here's the best analogy that I could give.
Is that if you're trying to go north from Washington D.C.
to northeast to New York, and you look at your GPS and all of a sudden you're in West Virginia, you're way off course.
And in order to even get back on course, you need to go east before you can go north.
That's very similar to the American political context.
We've gone so far to the left that what is right-wing is now actually very moderate.
That what is considered right-wing... Well, everything that's not the radical left is right-wing at this point.
If you don't, you know, if you don't...
Subscribe to, you know, a three-year-old should be able to, without parental consent, go through life-altering sex change operations.
You are a right-wing extremist.
You are a fascist, Charlie Kirk.
So you're right, that if you took the bell curve, and this used to be center, literally, and this is a far left, anything...
You know, out of the, you know, second standard deviation is, you know, extreme right wing.
And, you know, I'd argue that today's conservative movement would be, you know, quite left of center compared to historically.
You know, we've kept, we keep moving left, being reasonable, but I think our reasonableness, unfortunately, is eating us alive because they just chip away at it each and every day.
It's always, you know, a death by a thousand cuts.
Oh yeah, I mean, JFK would be considered a far-right extremist in today's American political system.
Fascist!
He's a Nazi!
Yeah, they'd be like, JFK's a fascist because he's asking not what the government can do for you, but what you can do for the government.
How dare he say that?
JFK believes, you know, that there's a God?
I mean like this, you know, they would be slandering him.
And so that's what, that's the book in some ways, the title is provocative intentionally, so to get attention and to try to get people to read it.
And it's true, though.
We want a right wing revolution, but we're not asking for anything that is that dramatic.
What we want is to understand that we want the country we grew up in.
And you more than me, Don, you remember the country.
And I lived in it for a period of time.
It was a darn great country.
It really was.
This is a new phenomenon.
I feel so bad for your kids.
I just saw them.
They're looking great in
Detroit, and I feel bad for, you know, the younger generation.
They really have no grasp of what America used to be.
And I know that we sound kind of like boomers when we say that, but we're not.
Like, I mean, it was the country of- Well, I'm getting close.
I'm getting close.
I'm desperately trying to hang on to my youth, but man.
I'm 30 years old, so I'm kind of like in the middle.
I'm youngish, but, you know, father of two.
Like 15 years ago, when I was 15 years old,
This was a great country, right?
And we didn't talk about race all the time.
There was no drag queens.
There was not Pride Month.
You know, it was like, July 4th was like the greatest weekend of the year.
And I'm afraid we lost that.
We can get it back.
And I believe Americans want to get it back.
But it's going to take a revolutionary spirit and mindset.
Yeah, I'm old enough to remember when Easter Sunday was Easter Sunday and not Transgender Day of Awareness.
Which, again, it's not like they're not aware that they did that.
Oh, it magically happened on Easter Sunday.
They knew, and they're so radical, the left that's in charge in Washington D.C.
You know, that it became okay.
But I will say this, you know, I don't think we're beyond saving it.
I saw that, you know, this weekend when I was at, you know, the Turning Point Conference in Detroit.
I mean, Detroit, Michigan.
We had, what, 6, 7,000?
I don't know what the final number was, but I spoke to, it was a big crowd when I spoke, and that was even before DJT spoke.
It was 8,700.
8,700, I mean.
Yeah, it was huge.
Mostly, you know, young kids, motivated.
I saw, candidly, you know, every demographic, a lot of, you know, a lot of people you wouldn't have, you know, sort of, you had in your bingo card that were there that were either, you know, conservative or literally came up to me like, hey man, I voted Democrat my whole life and I'm over it.
It's failed us.
It's a disaster.
I see what the motive now is.
They've just totally lost me.
So, you know, what you guys are doing there, and for those of you who are watching, who have young kids, you know,
Check out a Turning Point chapter, you know, if they're in college or in high school, you know, get them involved in all of this.
There is a momentum, and we're breaking through that, the stigma of being a conservative.
It's now, you're almost like, now you're the revolutionaries if you're, you know, conservative.
You're the badasses.
Like, if you're following pop culture, if you're following the mainstream media, if you're following everything big tech and corporate, you know, media tells you, and, you know, you're probably not
You know, the badass you thought you were.
There's been a seismic shift there, and I see what you're doing, but those watching who always ask, hey, what can we do?
You know, if you have kids, or you're young, get involved in those chapters.
You'll see that there's so many more like you, and once you get in that sort of group,
You know, it instills a level of confidence that doesn't otherwise exist.
I mean, what other themes did you see from this weekend, Charlie, as you're watching, you know, this evolution?
I see you on college campuses all the time.
I know we've done a bunch of those, you know, stops together.
Are you seeing that?
I mean, you see sort of, let's call it, you know, frat boy summer.
Because if I said, you know, white boy summer, they'd kill me.
You know, you're not allowed to say that.
And by the way, some of those frat boys are not white boys.
So it's like, you know,
There's a pushback to that mentality, and I didn't think those guys would be people, you know, saving the country along with our truckers, but they've had enough, and they're willing to actually speak up, and I guess they're in a powerful enough band and group that they'd feel comfortable doing so, and when they do, everyone's like, yeah!
Like, more of that!
Like, that's great!
Like, don't let our flag hit the ground, and don't let the communists take over.
No, that's exactly right.
The first theme was action, action, action, which is the need to become a force multiplier.
We had thousands of the 8,700 people that attended that declared that they want to become precinct committeemen, that said that they want to go register voters, that they're going to go become a force multiplier.
We actually have an open contest right now, and your listeners and your audience can engage in this, which is if you register 25 new voters to vote, I will send you a copy of Right-Wing Revolution.
If you register 100 new voters to vote,
You can come on the Charlie Kirk Show.
If you register 250 new voters, I will fly you out to Phoenix.
We'll have lunch and you can come on the Charlie Kirk Show and have like a whole, you know, a nice vacation with a friend of yours.
This is what we need to do.
And because the low prop summer, everyone calls like, what is the summer?
It's low prop summer because Don, this election will be made or broken based on people that are less likely to vote.
That has never been the case before for Republicans.
It used to be that high propensity voters were more likely to be a Republican.
Low-propensity voters more likely to be Democrats.
The game has completely changed.
What does that mean?
What does low-propensity voter mean?
These are people that are welders, electricians.
They are police officers.
But their voting history is like, yeah, I don't vote.
I don't vote.
But I will vote for Trump.
We have to find these people.
We have to register in the vote.
Just yesterday, Don, I had someone come up to me in Scottsdale.
Charlie, I'm a huge fan.
I follow you on TikTok.
I watch all your stuff.
Can I have a selfie?
I say, are you registered to vote?
No, I haven't got a chance to do it.
I'm like, pull out your phone, tpaction.com slash vote.
Let's get you registered.
Boom.
One new voter right there.
We have someone coming on the show that has registered 230 new voters in the last month in Pennsylvania alone.
This makes a big difference, Don.
When we're talking about 10,000 votes here and 5,000 votes here.
So that right now, the summer, making the summer count, not just looking at polls and going to rallies, but doing the difficult work every day.
That was what that event was really about.
It was great to hear from other speakers, hear from yourself and all that, but actually turning that enthusiasm and that energy into action was a primary takeaway from our amazing event in Detroit.
And final thing I'll say is, to quote Jussie Smollett, I don't think Detroit is usually MAGA country.
And we turned Detroit into MAGA country.
It's pretty awesome.
Yeah, no, well, give us the URL again, just so everyone, you know, again, if you're involved, I mean, everyone loves a free vacation, they want to figure out how to do that, but if you can do that and, you know, make some serious grounds, I think that's incredibly important.
It's tpaction.com slash vote.
That is a universal voter registration portal that links to all 50 states.
So if you're trying to register voters in Montana, which we have to win that Senate race, right?
They will click Montana and that person can register to vote right there on that portal.
So it is a 50 state jumping off point, tpaction.com slash vote.
Yeah, and you guys have been doing a great job.
I mean, Turning Point's been one of those organizations, TP Action certainly, that has really gotten out there, that's doing a lot of the work that we probably should have seen from the Republican Party for a long time.
But, you know, if leadership was missing there and it just wasn't happening, you guys have been one of the few guys that have really stepped up and taken it.
And now it's great to see, you know, people working at least in conjunction, not overlapping and not looking for credit.
Don't really care.
Let's just get to the end result.
You know, that's what the other side has done for so long.
Charlie, I want to ask, you know, I was recently in El Salvador.
I was there for, you know, President Bukele's re-election, and it's really stunning to see how good leadership can turn a country around.
Literally one of the most crime-ridden countries in the world, to one of the least, in like five years.
You know, does a Bukele in a place like El Salvador, does it, you know, when you see what's going on in Argentina with Mille, when you see sort of elections around the world going towards the conservative side, does that give you hope?
Oh yeah, and we talk about this in the book, and again, the book was finalized and written before some of these huge electoral victories, but look at France right now, look at Belgium, look at Germany, look at the Netherlands, Argentina, El Salvador, and what El Salvador shows is that crime is a choice.
Let me say that again.
High crime is a choice.
And that's what is so amazing, is that the rapings, the muggings, the murders that are happening in America, we are choosing to allow that to happen.
It is a choice.
Bukele was like, yeah, I don't want to live in a dangerous country anymore.
We're going to round them up.
We're going to arrest them.
And he got a lot of heat from that from America, but I think he got heat because it made them look bad.
And now El Salvador is a safe country, one of the safest in the world and the safest in the Western Hemisphere.
And so that's that kind of right-wing correction where we want kids to be able to walk to school.
We want people to be able to jog on hiking trails.
You know, that woman in Maryland who was murdered by that El Salvadorian,
And so, look, they're leaving El Salvador, literally leaves El Salvador because he's afraid Bukele is going to arrest him, comes here and murders a woman.
And because he went to the southern border and Joe Biden didn't check the background check and Joe Biden didn't do a DNA test and Joe Biden and his team did not call the El Salvadorian government, comes in, boom, murders an American.
We see that happening every single day.
Open borders is a choice.
Decline is a choice.
Inflation is a choice.
And our leaders are choosing that because our leaders don't care about the well-being of our country.
They care about their own livelihood.
They care about their own prestige.
I do.
It's our website because like they always say, right?
If you're not getting the results you want, build your own.
So, you know, guys like me, guys like you, we do that.
You've built an organization.
I built a publishing house, news organization, et cetera, et cetera.
To try to combat everything that's there, and I too believe that we have hope.
I saw the difference.
I was in the UK last week, Charlie.
We had a big fundraiser, a lot of expats.
I think it's like a record-setting expat fundraiser, because Americans living abroad realize what's going on as well, and you see the problems that you're dealing with in London and stuff like that.
I mean, Derek Jisora,
He's a black British heavyweight, shows up to the fundraiser wearing a Make America Great Again hat.
You know, guys, even non-Americans are seeing it.
But then I went to Hungary and I got to sit down with Viktor Orban, the president over there, the only guy that's like, nope, we're not taking unvetted migrants, we're just not doing it.
The country was immaculate.
It was like so perfect and you look at that versus the streets of London and what's happening and like these once great cities just being destroyed by unfettered immigration and you know of course in the media Orban's a terrible guy but he's loved by his people because they're not seeing a 12,000% increase in rapes in two years because of only one reason.
They're not seeing crime and beatings and stabbings in their streets.
It's amazing if you have some
Yeah, I'll say it.
If you have some balls, you stand up to that narrative, you stand up to the globalists, you stand up to the media, you can actually deliver for your people.
It is possible.
It's not just one guy like Bukele in El Salvador.
They're doing it in Europe.
And that, frankly, as far as I'm concerned, Hungary and Orban could be the last hope for Europe.
Yeah, and they hate Orban.
Boy, and they hate him.
I think they hate Orban for the same reason they hate Bukele.
It makes him look bad.
And so this is a test.
And Don, I'm sure you would agree.
Would you allow your daughter to walk the streets of Budapest at 3 a.m.?
100%.
I saw it.
Like, literally, there was nothing.
No crime, no encampments.
How about Los Angeles?
Zero chance.
3 a.m.
in Los Angeles.
Zero chance.
There you go.
Same with New York, and I grew up there.
Listen, when I was a young kid, I'd go out in New York till 4 o'clock in the morning, and I'd take a subway home, or walk the streets.
Zero issue whatsoever.
It wouldn't matter at all.
I wouldn't even think about doing it myself today, let alone having my daughters.
I know women
They're professionals, they work on Wall Street or they work at big law firms.
They're literally commuting in groups because they're afraid to go through the major train stations of New York City for fear of being attacked and or raped because it's just happening now.
These are people that have done it for 20 years, 30 years, commutes and it's like, I can't do it alone anymore.
They got to essentially carpool on a train to get into the city.
That's scary stuff and that's not sustainable for the future.
It's not, and it is a choice, and isn't it amazing, the small country of Hungary, I totally agree, that I would be okay with my wife and, you know, my daughter walking the streets of Budapest, like, great, terrific, but if they were like, hey, we're in Seattle and we're taking a stroll at 1am in the morning, I'd be like, get off the streets, are you kidding me?
Are you out of your- And that's our own country.
Exactly!
You'd be filing for divorce because they're stupid, it's like-
What are you doing?
And so, anyway, I think that illustrates a really important point where we need that sort of right-wing correction revolution.
And, I mean, you can have a high stock market and you can have a great economy, but if you cannot walk the streets at night and feel safe in the city of which you are in, you have a serious problem in your country.
And I think Donald Trump can go about saving that largely.
And I envy Dubai and Singapore and Budapest
That are these really safe places where people are able to walk the streets and crime is almost nothing.
You don't have to lock your doors.
I wish we had the same here in America and we need to get it back.
I really appreciate it, Charlie.
Give us again the book, where people can find it.
You know, obviously you can get it if you don't want to go to Amazon, because I know a lot of our people do not want to support sort of the woke beast.
It is there, just because you got to get it out there.
That's where unfortunately... And it's doing very well on Amazon, too.
That's going to drive them crazy.
I mean, we just get it.
We get it to number one on Amazon and then buy direct at 45 books so we don't have to feed the Bezos beast.
Exactly.
So 45books.com, we haven't really promoted at all, and we're number two in political commentary on Amazon.
So that's really cool.
So we'll probably hit, that's a tough category, by the way.
We'll probably hit number one soon.
We're top 50 in all books on Amazon.
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Go to 45books.com.
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It has literally over 50 pages of footnotes.
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There's a ton of data and knowledge here.
A lot of my life experiences.
Thanks so much, Don.
Really appreciate it.
Really appreciate it, Charlie.
Thank you very much.
And guys, you know, make sure to check that out for those of you who always ask, hey, what can we do?
How do we win this battle?
How do we take it out there?
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So, me and a partner started 45books.com to literally publish those who the major publishing houses were trying to silence.
I saw it myself when I did my first book, Triggered.
Actually, shockingly, it went to number one on the New York Times bestseller list because it outperformed the number two book by like 4x that they really couldn't
We're good to go.
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You know, learn something outside of the other, you know, the normal narrative.
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Well guys, joining me now, host of the Battleground podcast here on Rumble, the author of Outlaw Platoon, Special Forces Veteran, Senior Advisor to the Keystone Renewal Pack, my good friend, Sean Parnell.
Sean, you were one of the first guys, I think, I think my first guest ever on the podcast, so good to have you back as always.
No one knew that I even had a podcast at the time, and I still think it's like one of the funniest ones ever because we just...
Yeah.
Went down some rabbit holes.
That's saying something for me.
We did.
We talked about combat.
We talked about, you know, the stolen election of 2020.
We talked about lawfare.
Before lawfare on your family and your father was really in full swing, you know?
And what's really crazy, Don, that wasn't our first rodeo on the show.
Like, you came out to support my campaign
Way back in 2020, in a heavily Democrat area, and we had like 5,000 people there.
Ted Nugent, like, you asked the audience, like, how many of you are Democrats?
Like 70% of them raised their hand.
Remember that?
It was absolutely crazy.
Really good times.
Well, you know, listen, you experienced some of the nonsense they've tried putting my father through yourself.
I mean, you ran a great race there.
I think you converted a lot of people.
They played lots of games in that race.
You then sort of put your hat in the ring to run for the United States Senate.
And then someone again, you're on TV a lot.
You've written books.
And then they went after you with all sorts of nonsense.
And I read literally this week that after three years of
Bullshit, or just call it what it is.
You know, now it's all dropped.
It's like, you know, they always get to do that.
I mean, that was a form of lawfare as well.
And they do it to anyone who's going to actually fight back.
Oh, Don, listen.
So in 2020, I got to tell you, like, we'll talk through the progression here.
I witnessed the fraud.
I was there on the ground.
I spoke with your dad on stage four times.
When he came in late October to Butler County, that was my area where there were 65,000 plus people there.
I've never seen anything like it in my life and I'm from like fourth generation Western Pennsylvania.
Born and raised in Pennsylvania my whole freaking life.
Never seen anything like that for any political candidate ever.
You should have seen the people at that Butler County Rally, Don, where people were walking for miles just to get there through the open fields, through the roads.
I mean, it was unbelievable.
And we, I'm telling you, for weeks, for weeks leading up to that race,
Both your father and I talked and put out there over and over and over again that there is something wrong.
That the Democrats, just in Allegheny County alone, which is in western Pennsylvania, my district at the time had 85% of Allegheny County, where the Democrats sent
I don't know.
Even the ballots from outside the district.
I'm like, I don't understand.
And they're like, no, no, no.
I mean, people voted.
They thought they were voting.
So we should count them.
They're not in the district.
Here's the thing.
If the Democrats are willing to argue in court, in open court to commit election fraud, what do you think they're willing to do behind the scenes?
So we saw that and we're like, I'd never, and believe me, like,
You mentioned it, Don.
I'm a political outsider.
Your dad called me out to run randomly, so I did.
I get in this thing.
I'm an America First guy.
I'm a conservative.
I'm a Republican.
Because I'm a constitutional conservative, I guess that means I'm a Republican.
But running for office, I gotta look behind the curtain on both sides of the aisle.
I'm not trying to paint in broad strokes here.
But just because you're a Republican does not mean you're beyond reproach.
And I think you know exactly what I mean.
But I'm not somebody that has been wired into politics my whole life.
I call it like I see it.
So we saw what happened in 2020, Don.
Turned around and said, this can't happen again, and ran for Senate.
And honestly, man, let me give you a sense.
And tell me if this sounds familiar to you.
Because looking back on this thing in hindsight, I think it's going to give a special perspective both to you, your viewers, and listeners.
So I'm running for Senate.
And we start getting internal polling a year out from election day that we're up six on Fetterman, six internal polling.
So this is amazing, right?
So somewhere along the way in June, July of 2000 and 2021,
2021.
Well, we're pulling ahead of the pack in the primary.
I got just gotten your endorsement.
We're 30 points ahead of anybody else.
I get this like notification that every judge in my area, because at the time I was at the time I was going through a divorce, super mundane stuff, like, like, like no issues really whatsoever.
But I get this thing.
This notification from my lawyer that every judge in my area, in my county, every single one, blanket recuses my case.
And at the time, I'm like, huh, this is kind of strange.
I'm just like, this is kind of weird.
I'm thinking, Don, like, I'm thinking, like, look, half the country has been divorced, you know, half the country has gone through custody issues.
I'm just thinking, like, well, this is family court, you know?
Like, it's not, like, a political thing.
It's just how it is, you know?
Like, I didn't think anything of it at the time, right?
And so, out of nowhere, we get this judge, senior judge, who's specially appointed to just my case.
Not from my area, not beholden to the voters, like, oh by the way, he's a hardcore Democrat.
Like a hardcore Democrat.
I know a little bit about this, you know.
Like I know!
You have to pay a half a billion dollar fine because someone from not the commercial division was citing major real estate cases and you know.
I'm confused how that magically happens, only to us.
It just magically happens.
Magically happens in the most important Senate race in our country, right?
In Pennsylvania.
Pennsylvania's the linchpin for everything.
And so September 1st comes along.
Get this.
So your dad endorses me on September 1st.
Like, the primary is over.
And we're like, on to the general.
That exact same day, and I have the email, but that exact same day, less than a couple hours after your father endorses me, my VA medical records leak to the press.
And all of a sudden the media starts, seriously,
Seriously, like my medical records.
I've been wounded in combat a couple of times.
I was diagnosed after coming back from Afghanistan with PTSD, which by the way, if you're in heavy combat for 16 months and you don't have PTSD, you're probably not- You're probably a sociopath.
Exactly, exactly.
So the media starts immediately painting me as like this crazy combat veteran that's about to climb a bell tower with a sniper rifle.
Meanwhile,
I've got absolutely no criminal history at all.
I had a top-secret government security clearance when I was in the Army.
Not just that.
I was a courier of top-secret government information when I was a young captain up at Fort Drum, New York.
Like, my background is absolutely perfect, but the media starts running with this fake narrative, and we get in court, and the rest is history.
I should have known that the moment that I walked my ass into that courtroom, that the verdict was preordained.
After looking at what your father went through with Tish James up in New York, and Sloppy Alvin Bragg up in New York, and Juan Marchand up in New York, it was all rigged from the very beginning.
And by the way, for those people who are watching, if you're thinking that I'm pissed off about this, it's because I am.
For no reason at all.
None.
The media ran with this fake abuse narrative, fake child abuser narrative.
I met his kids!
They were everywhere with me.
In Western Pennsylvania, everybody knows me and my children and my daughter.
People used to call my daughter Emma the Ivanka Trump of Western Pennsylvania.
People know that this is BS, especially in my area, but the media had one goal and one goal only, and that was to get me out of the race and hurt my family.
And by the way, as horrible as this judge's ruling was, because he made me essentially a visitor in the lives of my children for two freaking years while I had to fight this whole process out, thankfully now I'm fully vindicated, have shared legal, shared physical custody.
I've never met kids in my life in a better custody deal than ever before, but it took two freaking years, Don.
Imagine you have some guy who's never met your kid, maybe meets him for 15 minutes apiece, and then takes legal custody?
So the state, despite me having no criminal background whatsoever, no history of abuse, drugs, alcohol, nothing, the state came in and took legal custody of my kids.
Criminals in Pennsylvania, the incarcerated in Pennsylvania, sex offenders in Pennsylvania.
You don't lose legal custody of your children, but the state did that to me to just embroil me in a ridiculous entanglement of the court system for two years.
And the main reason why he did it, Don, and this is no bullshit, this is public record, anybody's watching, listening, go read the damn order for yourself,
Because right in the order where he said the main reason why he gave all of this to why he why he took custody of my kids away from me is that I was a leading candidate for Senate.
Yeah, it's no question.
That's why I tell people I was like, you know, if you're a little bit pissed off about this stuff, like you're not pissed off enough like it.
If they can do it to Trump, they can do it to anyone, and I think you're the perfect example of that.
And I remember, I mean, I endorsed you way early in this thing, you know, got my father, I was like, Sean's, you know, he's the perfect guy, combat vet, great, well-spoken guy, smart, he gets it, and also has, you know, a blue-collar appeal that you didn't get.
I literally remember, I was driving from a hunting camp during, this was like still primary time,
Uh, from a hunting camp in, uh, South Dakota to Montana, like a seven hour drive.
I was by myself and my buddy does a lot of political comms.
It's like, Hey man, you know, we, we got a problem.
You know, Dr. Oz is entering the race.
I was like, man, that's going to be hard for Sean to beat in like a general.
Cause he'll probably have all the celebs.
And he's like, no, no dude.
He's, he's running as a Republican.
I go, wait, what?
Like, I know the guy, like, I like the guy.
I don't know.
You know, like I like the guy socially, it's actually very nice guy.
He's been nothing decent to me, but I was like,
He's a Republican?
I was like, what's happening here?
And so you could see all of that.
So, you know, I think people have to be aware, like when I say it all the time, like...
You know, Donald Trump's just the start of this.
If you don't think they'll do it to anyone that gets in their way, you haven't been paying attention.
But, you know, Sean, I do want to talk about Pennsylvania, because it's such a critical state.
You're involved, you're entrenched, especially Western PA, where, you know, obviously you have a long history of sort of Democrat voters and, you know, blue collar Democrats.
I think they've been failed.
But how can we make sure we beat Joe Biden in Pennsylvania?
And, you know, talk about some of the efforts that you're out there doing that to secure the vote, to restore.
Some integrity into what's clearly a broken system.
If it was a fair election held today, it's one of the biggest blowouts in the world.
I think we have to win by such a big margin, it has to be too big to rig.
You know, talk about that.
How do we do it?
What are you doing?
Well, first of all, Don, let me tell you, there is something too big to rig.
Because, listen, the Democrats, they cheat, okay?
And they've been cheating in elections since 1864 when they tried to carry
We're good.
Donald Trump is performing in what could be historic fashion with Latino and Black Americans, earning more Black and Latino support than almost any other Republican, going all the way back to Gerald Ford.
These people are traditional Democrat voters, but if they're showing up on Election Day and pulling the lever for Donald Trump, there's nothing that Democrats can do about that.
That's where your dad- I actually don't know if I believe that.
I'd love to believe that.
I think that today's Democrat, if on election day they needed 400 million votes in a country of, what, 335 million people, 340?
They would be like, no, but it's the most fair election ever.
That's the point.
Ten years ago, I would have said, you know what, maybe they have some shame.
They know they can only do so much as they roll Joe Biden's gurney over the finish line like a weekend at Bernie's.
I don't think they have that shame anymore.
You know, I used to believe, you know, a key tenet of, you know, they're, you know, when they talk about democracy, we know it's just that's like a joke for them.
They're laughing their asses off as they joke about democracy.
We take it pretty seriously.
You know, a key tenet of that democracy and the principles thereof are that people actually believe
Uh, in it.
You know, I think they'd give Joe Biden the biggest win in the history of presidential elections or just enough to get by if he was, you know, again, dead in a weekend at Bernie's, and they wouldn't think twice about it.
There is no shame.
There is no honor.
It doesn't matter.
There's nothing they won't do, in my opinion.
Well, look, I agree.
I mean, I agree.
They absolutely cheated on many different levels to rig the system in 2020.
Even with that, Don, let me give you some perspective about how what we're doing now is fighting and building an infrastructure.
Exactly like the Democrats.
You've helped so much with that with Skip the Line, right, in Pennsylvania.
Basically, what we're doing is registering Republican voters, right, and then we're making sure that we add them to the automatic opt-in mail-in ballot program, which, yes, I know most people are like, oh, mail-in ballots.
We gotta play the game.
You gotta play the game.
They can't have a six week long election day and we just hope for sunny weather so people don't sit at home because it's raining.
That doesn't work.
Listen, let me give you a military analogy and let me break it down by the numbers.
In combat, if you fight in the same way and you establish patterns, your enemy looks at you, watches you, analyzes those patterns, and then comes up with a plan to beat you on the battlefield.
That's why in combat, leaders always have to change the game.
Politics is just like war, but without the bullets, Don.
So as Republicans, as a movement, as someone who's trying to win elections, we can't fight the same way all the time.
In other words, just show up on election day because the Democrats know that's exactly what we want to do.
That's exactly what we prefer to do.
So all of a sudden on election day, Republicans show up to a precinct.
There's no Republican ballots or there's traffic or there's construction or God forbid shit happens, right?
Like, you know, somebody's got to work overtime.
So, the point is, is that if you bank your vote and you turn in a mail-in ballot, and our strategy right now, and here, like, this is so important for people to understand.
Initially, it was, let's find what we would call low propensity voters.
So, your dad brings out
He's a turnout machine.
People that have never voted before in their life, or maybe one of four voters, a one of four voter is somebody that votes one time out of four election cycles.
Most of the time, we're finding that person showed up for your dad and your dad only.
Let's get them a ballot, right?
Let's make sure that Republicans have a floor in off-cycle races and in midterm races, because that's what the Democrats have done.
That's how they were able to
What should have been a red wave in 22.
They had a floor of people on this automatic opt-in mail-in ballot program, and because they had all these people automatically opted in, they were able to surgically use their resources to build on that list.
Okay, so that's what we're doing right now, and we're bringing in low-propensity Republican voters in Pennsylvania in historic fashion.
I mean,
50, 60,000 low-propensity voters already added to our list.
But what we found about high-propensity voters is really unbelievable, Don.
I'm telling you.
Three of four voters, four of four voters, Don.
These are what you would call high-propensity Republican voters.
People that are showing up three out of four election cycles, four out of four election cycles.
In the year of 2020, the margin, and of course I use the term loosely, Don, but the margin in 2020 was 80,000 votes.
Razor-thin margin, even with all of the shenanigans and cheating that the Democrats did, it was still only 80,000.
In 2020, between three of four voters and four of four voters, over 120,000 high-propensity Republican voters just didn't show up.
And I mean, think about that.
Yeah.
Well, it's fear of COVID.
What was that?
Was it just the media narrative?
Trump's killing your grandmother with COVID and, you know, even, you know, a lot more deaths under Joe Biden, but they won't talk about that, right?
I mean, yeah, look, Don, I mean, you know, we're we've got 12 million plus people in the state.
And what I say is just like shit happens, you know?
People have issues in their life.
You know, Republicans, like, working a 9-to-5, oftentimes working overtime.
They've got kids that are in sports extracurriculars.
There's traffic.
They just don't get to the polling.
I mean, there's a zillion reasons why someone would not show up on Election Day during the highest turnout election in our nation's history.
But when you're looking at 12 million-plus people,
You know, tens of thousands of people just have issues.
They have lives.
They have kids, like, family emergencies.
And so that's why we're encouraging people, like, just fight like the Democrats, right?
Like, let's bank our vote.
And if you're still uncomfortable with that, and mail-in ballots aren't something that you're comfortable with, you can still show up on Election Day.
So just do both.
And so what we're doing now, Don, though, is banking the vote.
You know, with high-prop Republican voters and low-prop Republican voters, and we're seeing just unbelievable success in doing that.
Because with your dad at the top of the ticket and us with this ground game that we have now,
Don, I feel really, really good about Pennsylvania.
I just do.
Yeah, you see it, like, I feel, you know, I don't know that there was anyone, you know, with a sort of following or someone who could put a lot of asses in seats, you know, in 16 or 20 that probably did more on-the-ground events.
You know, I will say I did 104, you know, in-person events in October of 2020 during peak COVID.
Like, four a day, hard.
You know, I saw in the enthusiasm.
I see where it is.
I already see that level of enthusiasm and perhaps more, especially when you talk about like the other demographics that wouldn't have been traditional sort of Republican voters.
I see that now, five, six months out.
Is there anything that you can do to kind of to go after that sort of even the moderate Democrats?
Uh, are there, you know, because I see a lot of those people, you know, you know, again, it's, you know, it's the African American flight attendants when I'm traveling through airports, literally yelling Trump 2024, you guys got to fix this shit, like screaming.
It's like, it's amazing.
You know, those are people, even if they were fans, they'd come up and subtly do that.
Maybe they'd be like, you know,
Hidden thumbs up or something like that.
They're screaming it out loud.
So I see a huge cultural phenomenon and a shift.
Is there a way to go after those voters or figure out where they may be?
Because again, I don't know that you want to help the Democrats register more people.
They'll make up their own registrations.
What do you see there?
Well, I think what you have to do, in Pennsylvania for a guy like me, I come from a blue-collar Union Democrat family.
My father came over here, worked at Weirton West, which is a subsidiary of U.S.
Steel.
My grandmother worked there.
My aunt worked there.
So, I come from, my grandfather was a member of two unions.
And so, with blue-collar Union Democrats, most of these people are pro-life, they're pro-gun.
In Beaver County, for example.
Where Trump force 47 just opened up a brand new field office there.
I spoke at the grand opening, Don.
Beaver County in 2020 used to have about 11,000 more registered Democrats than Republicans.
Now we have a 1,200-person vote advantage right there in the heart of Western Pennsylvania in what was a traditionally Democrat county.
What you have to do is go after those voters and tell them that you will be there for them.
It's something that your dad has done since he came down the golden escalator in 2016 extraordinarily well.
Basically, if I
If I left my house right now and drove 30 minutes in any direction, you would drive through three Western Pennsylvania towns that are dilapidated and damn near derelict because of Democrats and Republicans leaving those people behind, sending their jobs overseas, outsourcing American manufacturing.
And when this happens, and again, both Democrats and Republicans.
The Republicans aren't without fault in all the disasters that our country is going through.
Absolutely right.
They've had a hand in this over the last 50 years.
And when this happens, when when when Weirton West closes, you know, Little League, you know, first of all, the tax revenue in those towns dry up.
Little League sponsorships dry up.
People move away.
People that have worked in legacy union jobs their entire lives are now told learn to code by reporters and mainstream Democrats.
These towns don't recover.
And for the first time in a long time, someone like your dad comes around and says, no,
I haven't forgotten about you.
I'm there for you.
Candidates all around the country at every single level need to learn that lesson.
You show up in the towns that feel like they're forgotten.
It doesn't matter about a political ideology.
You go there and say, I haven't forgotten about you.
I'm going to bust my ass every single day to make sure that you're remembered and have a voice in Washington.
That's what your dad does.
That's how you get those Democrats, those disaffected Democrats.
And that's what every candidate in the country needs to do.
Yeah, you saw that in East Palestine, Ohio.
You know, Trump spends a couple of days, it took the Democrat, you know, Joe Biden shows up two years later, just happened to be an open cycle, like, wonderful, you know, we're here.
Pete Buttigieg saw Trump, you know, puts on his, you know, red mask, unworn work boots and a helmet and shows up three days later.
Takes a couple questions and leaves because he's disgusted with the people.
I mean, it's it really is.
I mean, there's a level of hatred, actually.
I mean, it's not even like indifference.
It's it's actually a hatred, it feels like to me, you know, of these sort of Washington, D.C.
and leftist elites of those blue collar Americans.
And, you know, you mentioned the sort of the learn to code thing when they you know, it was pretty funny watching journalists do that for a while to all the
Guys that are, you know, roughnecks and, you know, the guys on pipelines and all that stuff when they lost their jobs with Keystone Pipeline.
But the reality is now, AI is actually replacing those journalists because what they do is not rocket science.
You can take a couple of facts, you can put it in, AI can crank out an article in 0.5 seconds.
They're the ones that are going to have to learn to code.
You know, it's still going to take a plumber to put in a pipe.
It's still going to take, you know, workers to put up sheetrock.
It's a lot of those pseudo-elite, at least in their own mind, jobs that are being replaced by AI.
So it is interesting to watch, but I hope that people understand the legitimate hatred that those elites have for the hard-working blue-collar Americans that are out there.
I think they do, Don.
I really do.
And like so much, like so many other things in life, you just gotta show up.
Like when I was, I'll give you a quick story.
When I was running for Congress, I showed up at a union meeting, right?
In like a basketball gymnasium.
No Republicans go to these things.
Right?
You've got the union leaders at the front of the table and then two super long tables one with government unions and one with building trade unions and then there's me sitting with like this little boom mic right at the end looking at the building trades guys and just reading quotes from like you know Pete Buttigieg and Joe Biden and all these Democrats that are literally saying
We're going to put you out of work.
And I look at these guys and I, whatever, government union people, you're never going to get them, right?
They're in the tank for the Democrats.
They always will be.
But you show up for the people who you think can get working class people who bust their asses every day, who have built this country from the ground up.
You show up and say, how can you back somebody who is not just going to destroy your life, but also your legacy and everything that your family has built?
Right?
Like, you've sacrificed for this state.
You've worked long hours for this state and for our communities, and the Democrats are thanking you by putting you out of work.
You can't send that message unless you're there and you can look at someone in their eyes and say, you know, it's different.
You're doing a television interview or a television ad,
Is one thing.
It's different to show up and look those those men and women in the eyes and say, I have your back.
And again, your father, for the first time in my lifetime, certainly, is is the only candidate on either side of the aisle to do it.
And Don, that's why the establishment, right, and especially the Democrats, the deep state blob and trans bureaucrats, call them whatever you want.
That's why they're afraid of him.
They're afraid of him because he has an actual movement of Americans behind him who represent a belief in this country as it was originally founded.
You know, life, liberty, pursuit of happiness.
You work hard, you play by the rules, you can accomplish the American dream.
The Democrats, along with their allies in the deep state and the bottom, they are destroying that, Don.
And that's why I think your father
It has become, you know, all of this lawfare stuff.
I can't imagine what it's been like for your family.
I really can't.
Actually, I can.
Less than awesome.
You know, by the way, you know all too well.
I mean, you know, they're not trying to throw you in jail for 700 years, but, you know, they're trying to take away your kids, which is just about the same.
So I'm telling you.
People don't want the government involved in their lives.
Black Americans, Latinos, they feel like they got their work cut out for them to begin with.
And they see what they're doing to your dad, and they see themselves in your father, which is why I think his support is growing.
Yeah, it is interesting sort of watching, you know, the brash billionaire from New York.
He's the one that can relate to the people.
Not the people who are supposed to represent them in Congress, who literally live in their neighborhoods and are like, who's this guy?
He's got a job?
It's crazy.
Like, I mean, you feel like you're being punked sometimes.
It's like, how is it possible that, you know, these people who are there, they want to go represent the people of their neighborhoods in Washington, D.C.
and they
They either hate them or have no understanding of what those people actually are like.
And this guy from New York with a billionaire lives on the 70th floor of, you know, a gilded apartment in Trump Tower can come in the back.
No, man, I get it.
Like, this makes total sense.
They're like, he gets it because because he actually does.
It's crazy.
I mean, come on.
I mean, the people that work for your dad.
I've heard one story after the next.
People that used to work for your father over the last, you know, 25, 30 years.
They love the guy.
Right?
They like him because they believe that he cares about them.
And there's something about, like, it doesn't matter how much money you make or where you come from or what God you worship.
If you're authentic and you're giving people, like, no bullshit assessments of what's happening.
And this is the problem, Don.
Like, we live in a world where people don't say what they actually mean.
And we've disincentivized being a decisive leader.
So now what we're left with are politicians that don't say what they mean and lick their finger and hem and haw and test the political winds, see which way the parade is marching, and then once they ascertain that, they run to the front of the line and act like they've been there all along.
That, I'm telling you, is not what our country needs right now.
Our country needs somebody that can get into office like your dad and take bold action and piss off Republicans and Democrats in equal measure on any given day, because that's what it's going to require.
But the problem is that the system protects itself.
And as you probably know by now, these entrenched bureaucracies, as government grows, freedom dwindles.
And so if you look, a perfect example is the VA.
You remember back in 2014 with the VA secret waitlist scandal, you had veterans dying on secret waitlists, and you would ask the VA, hey, are veterans dying on secret waitlists?
And they'd tell you, no, everything's fine.
Well, come to find out, they were covering it up.
The reason is, big bloated bureaucracies protect themselves first, last, and always.
They don't really care about transparency.
They're not committed to the people.
So as government grows, people's freedom dwindles, and you really need a reform-minded leader, like your dad, that just cuts through the bullshit and says, this has to stop, otherwise we lose our country.
Yeah, well, you know, obviously your election efforts in Pennsylvania are, you know, it's pretty amazing.
You know, you hear a lot about, you know, ballot harvesting.
You know, talk about, you know, what that is in Pennsylvania.
You know, where are the Democrats on this?
You know, it seems like, you know, perhaps they're breaking the law or they're right there on the border of doing so.
Are we able to fight that same battle and prevent whatever it is that they're doing and, you know, and or at least match it with our own tactics and what you're doing?
Yeah, I mean, well, you can't in Pennsylvania, you can't ballot harvest like you can in California.
But what you can do is create essentially a Pennsylvania war room with Excel spreadsheets in all 67 counties in the states with the voter rolls of all traditional Republican voters.
And as you get somebody a ballot, and once that person has an application, you follow up, mail it back in.
Once they've mailed it back in, you follow up, mail your ballot back in, then you follow up.
You know what I mean?
And as you do that a thousand, ten thousand times over, your job in getting out the vote becomes a hell of a lot easier because you've got a list of people who've already turned in their ballots, and now you can direct your resources at people who haven't.
And that's what the Democrats have done here in Pennsylvania very, very well.
They've got a machine, a get-out-the-vote machine, a mail-in-ballot machine in Pennsylvania, the likes of which we haven't been able to really contend with until right now.
And I'm telling you, Don, it's going to make a difference.
It's going to make a difference.
If you need an example, look in Virginia where this program was tried.
The narrative out of Virginia was that, oh my gosh, look, Republicans lost control of the State House and the State Senate.
It wasn't as big of a red wave as we thought.
Well, in the three-swing Virginia State House Legislative District where this program was implemented,
Every Republican won.
And so what we're doing now is taking a plan that I wrote a couple years ago and tying it in with this program and scaling it up responsibly over 67 counties.
And I mean, look, the Democrats, the silver lining here is the Democrats have been so efficient in what they were doing over the last couple of years that the well for them in Pennsylvania is about dry.
Our well is untapped.
And
I'm super optimistic about it.
Where can people go to find out more about that though, Sean?
So, you know, anyone in Pennsylvania, anyone who has friends in Pennsylvania, anyone who has friends that have friends in Pennsylvania, you know, make sure you see this.
SkipTheLimePA.com.
SkipTheLimePA.com.
Check it out.
Like, go there, check it out, learn about what we're doing, you know, and then contact, like, take accountability for 10 people in your life to make sure that they get to the polls, if they can't show up at the polls, make sure they fill out a ballot application, go to our website, and submit your freaking ballot.
Like, bank your freaking vote, because that's what it's going to take to win.
And frankly, Don, you know, politicians say this every freaking cycle, this is the most important election of our lifetime.
I've fallen into that trap as well.
But I think 2024, it's like, we gotta win.
It's a zero-sum game.
Because America, as we know it, is fading fast, and the window to save this country is closing fast.
So we've gotta win.
We've gotta win, and that's all that matters.
You know, obviously, listen, you know, the economy matters, inflation matters, so many, you know, watching the wars matter, you know, since this one's obviously going to be personal to you.
How much does this sort of the disastrous Afghan withdrawal weigh on the minds of voters?
You know, is that something they're thinking of?
Because I mean, I look at it, you know, there was one of the
Sort of moments where you really, you know, sort of hung your head in shame for America, that it could go that quickly.
You watch the Secretary of State, he gets up before Congress, you know, we're shocked and dismayed the Taliban did not install a diverse and more inclusive government.
I'm like, who the fuck is this clown?
Like, are you out of your goddamn mind?
Like, are you insane?
Like, you're shocked.
And if you want to be dismayed, fine.
Like, you're shocked the Taliban didn't install a more diverse, like, there's been a little trans coalition in the Taliban government.
These are not serious people, but that was, it was so easily preventable, right?
You know, when my father showed sort of the satellite image of the Taliban leader's home, you know, when the press was like, you're meeting with him at Camp David, how dare you?
He's like, oh, you know, I don't know, like, feels like you got to meet with the enemy to stop things.
He shows him a satellite image of his home.
The guy did not need to read between the lines on that one.
He understood exactly what it meant.
And like, Americans stop dying.
Trump takes over, 13 Americans killed, they barely acknowledge him, he's checking his watch as they come back.
I guess it was to Dover Air Force Base to receive the bodies.
Does that weigh on people still?
Do they get it the same way as someone like you would?
Or is it just another item in the long litany of things that are a disaster right now and they're just more worried about feeding their families?
I think honestly, Don, I think it's a little of both.
I think people are worried about feeding their families.
And I think, you know, we feel that pain too in Western Pennsylvania.
I'm a middle class guy.
Like every day, every month you go to the grocery store and a hundred bucks fills up your cart less.
It sucks.
It's difficult, you know?
So Americans definitely feel that pain.
And I think ultimately that's why Joe Biden is, is,
I mean, no matter the propaganda pushed by the media or out of the Biden White House, people aren't buying it.
But as far as the Afghan surrender, I think so, Don, because really what the Afghan surrender is a microcosm of is just Biden failure.
Yeah.
America's surrender of a world stage, you know, 200 years of hegemony, the power, like strength, and that would include weakness.
And, and, and, and we look, you look at what happened there.
By the way, there's not a day that goes by that I don't think about it, that as a veteran, and that Iraq, Afghan veterans, they're thinking about it.
In fact, if you're a veteran of any generation, they're thinking, and then by, by the time you got, you, you start family friends of veterans, you're talking 80, 90 million Americans.
Those people were thinking about that, Don, and that, that stuff matters.
And, and,
It's no surprise that, you know, after the Afghan withdrawal, American weakness displayed on the world stage.
Now we got Russian warships off the coast of Miami.
We have China saber-rattling over Taiwan.
You got this Russia-Ukraine thing that's just going on forever.
I mean, it's just with no end in sight.
And you talk about your father meeting with Taliban leaders.
Like, that's the most asinine thing in the world to attack your father over, because
It's like I met with, on the battlefield, conducted diplomacy on behalf of America for 16 months.
Sometimes when you do that on the battlefield, you're meeting with people who aren't so nice, you know?
You have to have the dialogue, because when it goes bad, you gotta be able to pick up the phone.
I guess it was Helsinki, whatever, they're like, Trump didn't, like, he was asked a question by some reporter, he didn't shit all over Putin unnecessarily, it's like,
Cause he's not a moron.
Like, you know, pleasing the press and being able to maintain a lifeline with the world's largest nuclear superpower by volume of intercontinental ballistic missiles seems like a big deal.
And so had he taken, you know, and just done that, then they would have said, I can't believe they shot all over a world leader on a world stage.
How embarrassing.
Like there was no win.
You know what I mean?
And now you've got what he did, which was.
The 100% right move because that's called, like, strategy.
That's called negotiation.
That doesn't mean you're absolving Putin of anything.
It doesn't mean you don't think he's a strongman or a dictator or whatever you want to call him.
Like, it's just the reality of the world.
And these morons in the media, they couldn't even fathom these concepts.
We're good to go.
The reason why all of this is happening is because of that animated corpse in the White House that doesn't know whether he's coming or going.
Our enemies are on the move right now because we have an American president that's completely M.I.A.
Whoever's pulling his strings behind the curtain, and I think I have a pretty good idea of who it is, Obama and company, but
This country, I'm telling you Don, we have not lived at a more precarious time in America than we do right now.
Because we've got a leader in the White House that is MIA, we have people who are unaccountable that are calling the shots, and we have a media that is just unbelievable propaganda.
And you know, when your father says enemy of the people, that's honestly an understatement.
Because
What the media does today, they don't just lie, right?
Because before I ran, I'm like, oh yeah, it's the media.
They lean left.
No.
They don't just lie.
They tell the opposite of the truth, which is basically what every third-rate dictator has done in every country going back 1,000 years.
Our media is no different than any of them.
And it's just, it's sickening.
And at best, they omit all the important details so that you can get yourself to a narrative.
It's like, you know, the stuff that's really important that would be like, oh, that's the Charlottesville hoax.
It's like, play the rest of the sentence.
It's like, oh, it's exactly the opposite of everything we've been reading about for months.
I mean, I mean, it's interesting watching now.
I mean, there's guys like big tech, former big liberals, you know, Democrat 2020 donors and stuff like that that are like,
Holy crap, I just saw the rest of the video.
How is it that I believe this thing?
And it's because, you know, the media today is their regime propagandists.
And, you know, but again, there's nothing the Democrats won't do.
I mean, this is obviously local to Pennsylvania that the Biden administration is suing sheets.
That's a, you know, gas station chain, like, you know, food.
It's sort of like a Wawa, more Western, I guess, you know, in Pennsylvania, because they want to do criminal background checks.
I mean, surely
They should be able to do that.
Surely that's something that should annoy Pennsylvania voters, wouldn't it?
I mean, like, I don't know.
My young kid going to fill up her car because she's, you know, and you have random criminals there.
No one's allowed to do these things.
At the core of Biden's lawsuit here in Pennsylvania, the Department of Justice against Sheets, is that criminal background checks disproportionately
Even though he was!
He was just an exalted cyclops.
I mean, there's a zillion fact checks about that.
But like, if you are sheets, right?
Oh God, here's the best part about it.
This lawsuit comes out, as absurd as it is, the day after Biden visits the sheets in Western Pennsylvania, right there in my backyard, he like walks into the sheets where gas is like,
Intergalactic level expensive because of his policies.
He walks in, people completely ignore the guy.
He's like shuffling around, people are sitting at their tables, eating their MTOs, not really wanting to talk to him.
He walks up to a pillar, tries to shake the pillar's hand, like completely lackluster reception at the Sheetz.
The day later, like the very next day, he's suing Sheetz.
And so if you're Sheetz, if you've got a business,
And you're hiring people.
Ultimately, this is about protecting the consumer, right, Don?
Of course.
Well, eventually, you're not going to be able to screen for pedophiles in kindergartens.
How dare you?
Don't you want to know?
You don't understand their priorities.
It's lunacy.
Don, maybe.
This is just a fallback plan for Hunter so that when Joe Biden loses in November and he can't launder money through Ukraine anymore, Hunter Biden, you know, crap, you know, whoremongering, crack use, it won't prevent him from running a register at sheet.
So maybe this is just all Biden trying to protect Hunter.
You know?
Hey, listen, you know, Sean, I, you know, we got to be very careful.
I understand that I am not the upstanding citizen that Hunter Biden is.
I, you know, I am not, based on the way that, you know, they wanted to try me for the death penalty, as you know, for treason, a crime punishable by death.
And I was like, that's interesting.
I mean, you know, seems like if it was my laptop, it'd be a problem.
Seems like if it was my crank, I wouldn't be the victim.
I'd be, you know, the scumbag that Hunter is.
It's, you know, it's, it's fine.
It's fine.
If I wasn't paying my child support, it'd be a problem.
Instead, you know,
There's always an excuse.
Don, you have now, right, this story coming out the other day from Just the News, John Solomon over there, saying that basically Hunter Biden scored a $120 million deal through Burisma while Joe Biden was vice president under Barack Obama in charge of U.S.-Ukraine policy.
While he was vice president.
Yet Hunter Biden, first of all,
Where the hell did all that money go, right?
You got lawyers paying Hunter Biden's legal fees.
Like, the guy can't even pay his own child support.
Like, what the hell is going on?
And it's like, what's amazing to me is how, I'm sorry, just trashy the Biden family is, yet they get a complete and total pass from the media.
And then on the other hand, you have your family from your father, you, Eric, Ivanka, like Barron, all class action.
Across the board.
And yet you all are treated so horrifically.
It's like we live in a time where everything, Don, is upside down.
And that's part of the reason why I say we live in a very precarious and dangerous time in America.
Because... Oh, 100%.
I say that I feel like there's days like I've got to be the star of the Truman Show.
And I just like, hey, Sean, just blink three times if I'm just on TV right now.
Am I the only guy not in on the joke?
It almost feels like there's no other explanation at times.
You don't need to be an Einstein-level genius to see, just look back at history and how all of these celebrities who now don't like your dad felt about your dad before he ran for president.
All of these guys and gals were waiting around the line to get into parties held by your dad.
They all wanted to be around Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton.
They all loved your dad before he ran for president.
But he puts an R after his name and all of those people come out.
They're all phony life losers.
Every single one of them.
Their views diametrically opposed to that of actual ordinary Americans and
You know what, Don?
I wouldn't have it any other way.
Because one of the best things about running a campaign, and I know your father knows this, and I know that you know it as well, is the people that you meet along the way.
Like, average, ordinary Americans, Democrat, Republicans that work their ass off every day in this country, they're the ones that make America tick.
Why America is going off the rails today is because we have an unaccountable elite who, by the way, aren't even trying to hide their damn corruption anymore from the American people.
An unaccountable elite
Basically using America, I mean, just in ways that the founders never intended.
I'll just say that.
Yeah.
No, I see, you know, grown men, grown women, they come up to us honestly, some of them in tears, like, thank you for what you guys are doing.
I mean, I, I saw, I went to one of the Stanley cup finals, uh, you know, games down in Florida the other day and I just took my kids and I was just, you know, by myself, no D.
I mean, it literally was like a love fest like I've never seen before.
Like we literally couldn't move.
You know, there were some pretty famous people around us as well.
And it was like, they were like, Hey, thanks for running cover for us.
We didn't have to take a single selfie because they were just, and like, you know,
I mean, at some point in time in your life,
And I tell this to my kids, too.
Like, just take a freaking stand for what you believe in.
Like, don't listen to what other people say.
Don't go along to get along.
You take a stand, guess what?
You're going to make enemies.
People aren't going to like you.
You're also going to learn a lot about yourself and, like, how to function in the real world.
Like, just following the Borg, like a sheep, you're going to learn nothing.
And eventually, you're going to run into adversity.
And if you're not accustomed to it, it's going to kick your ass, because life is rough, no matter what.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And so, like, that's why, that's why this country, Don, is rallying around your family, even as the deep state tries to, deep state Democrats, again, like, whatever you want to call them, call them whatever you want.
I didn't elect these, these bureaucrats.
They're the ones that are working overtime to try to salvage.
If you don't believe me, just listen to what the senior Democrat in Congress, Chuck Schumer, said about your dad.
Hey, if you go after the intelligence community, they got six ways a Sunday of getting back at you.
So I take him at his word, right?
If someone tells you who they are, believe them.
Absolutely right.
But the American people are rallying around you.
And by the way, I'll also say this,
The Trump campaign, they're running a hell of a campaign.
They are running a disciplined operation.
And man, that's a great thing because this is a real damn important election cycle.
So kudos to all those people on your dad's campaign, by the way, who are working their asses off behind the scenes because
That stuff, as you know, again, that stuff ain't easy.
Not even a little bit.
And your father's got a great team of people around him.
By the way, these people, many of these guys, some of these people are kids running around in your father's campaign.
Not a single campaign staffer has ever had to deal with what they're dealing with right now.
So kudos to all them behind the scenes for making the magic happen on your dad's campaign because he's running a great operation over there.
Well, thanks, Sean.
I guess as a final, tell us a little bit about your rumble show and also where everyone can go to learn about all your other projects, especially the voting stuff in Pennsylvania, because it's great to watch.
There was perhaps some faltering at the RNC.
I think we got that under control now, but it took a little longer than it should have perhaps.
We're there now, but it's great to watch guys like you
Step up and fill in those voids.
You know, we spoke with Charlie Kirk.
You know, he's doing that in other states.
You know, people are stepping up where they have a platform, where they have a base.
They're taking matters into their own hands.
They're taking it out of the bureaucrats, some of whom, you know, they may be, you know, supposedly home team, but they're not going to fight like it because, you know, they have no incentive to do so and they don't really care.
You know, tell us about all those things so people can follow you.
Check it out because, you know, guys, truly, you know, Sean is one of the real warriors out there.
Well, thanks, Don.
I appreciate it.
I'm just a small part of a much bigger movement to save the country, but I'll tell you, like, go to SkipTheLinePA.
Like, Google it, throw it on the internet, throw the website in, SkipTheLinePA.com.
Like, check out all the things that we're doing.
And my Rumble show, by the way, it was a once-a-week show last year.
Now it's grown to five days a week right here on Rumble.
It streams live from 5 to 6, Monday through Friday.
It's grown so much, and it's a blessing because I think people just want no bullshit assessment.
People just want the truth.
And ultimately, the mission of the show is to save this country and advocate for the policies and America First principles that we believe in.
The show is just added to Clay and Buck's RSS feed, which is Rush Limbaugh's old feed on iHeartRadio.
So we're crushing it across the board.
So come on over to Battleground Live with me, Sean Parnell on Rumble.
Subscribe, follow.
We'd love to have you in the trenches fighting to save this country.
But yeah, it's all on the line, folks.
Hey, I like that it's from 5 to 6, Sean, because then you can come right over to Triggered if it was like... Exactly!
That's why I picked it!
Don't watch Sean!
I disavow!
I'm not competing against you, man!
Fake-ass warrior!
It's after Kimberly.
It's after Kimberly and before me.
It's perfect.
It's a great transition.
You know, if you were encroaching into my, you know, my podcast, I'll have to, you know, take them out.
But, uh, you know, but it's all good.
All kidding aside, Sean Parnell, guys, check him out.
Sean, you're the man.
Thank you so much.
And I look forward to seeing you in Pennsylvania soon.
I imagine I'll be spending some time there with you.
I think you will too, Don.
Thanks for having me, my friend.
Be good, brother.
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