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Exclusive Interview with British Special Forces Hero Christian Craighead, the Man Who Saved Lives During Al-Shabaab Terror Attack | TRIGGERED Ep.140
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of the Birch Gold Group.
And, you know, Philip, I'd like to just get a little bit of an update on what's happening right now with inflation, because obviously that's so critical to, you know, people really losing their net worth, even if it feels like they're doing well.
What's the latest going on there?
Yeah, so we saw the latest numbers come out yesterday.
We saw a slight reprieve with April CPI numbers coming in slightly lower.
It was a 0.1% reduction, now at 3.4%.
But this is on the back of a nasty re-acceleration of inflation over the last six months.
Concerningly, the producer price index numbers came out on Tuesday and they paint a very different picture.
They were up 0.5% for April.
Now, the PPI is a very important index to look at because it measures manufacturer costs and is a leading indicator of rising retail prices in the future, usually 6 to 12 months to follow.
Annualized first quarter data shows a 7.8% rise in costs, which essentially means higher prices at store shelves near us soon.
Well, when the Fed raises interest rates, you know, the cost of credit rises across the board, mortgages, credit cards, even, obviously, federal government debt, which only goes to, you know, rack up, you know, that $34 trillion score a little bit more.
I saw a shocking statistic, I guess it was like last week, that 17% of federal government spending goes to debt service payments right now, just to cover the debt, right?
It doesn't actually get us anything, just pays for all the nonsense.
How does that affect the dollar's value right now? I mean it's it's obscene and
debt service payments this year alone are projected to be the biggest line item in the federal
budget which is an absurdity but you know deficits like this debt service payments like this
have a dramatic effect on the dollar's We've got to remember, when federal government debt comes due, Janet Yellen's not paying the bill, right?
What she's doing is... The printers go whirr!
Exactly, right?
We're rolling over old loans into new loans, and it's happening at much higher interest rates.
And if you look at the logistics of the arrangement, it resembles almost a pyramid scheme.
Higher rates means More spending, which means bigger budget deficits, which means more spending, which just ultimately inflates the supply of dollars.
And every new IOU that we create pushes the dollar value down and essentially creates this negative self-reinforcing feedback loop.
And it just wrecks the value of the dollar.
And it's showing us it's working against the Fed's attempts to get inflation under control.
So it's becoming a disaster.
Well, I mean, it seems like they're really projecting, you know, sending that sort of hire for longer message coming from the Fed.
Like, you know, rates are going to stay this way.
They're not coming down anytime soon.
You know, that's kind of scary because you see it.
I read a statistic like 43% of small businesses aren't going to make rent this month.
Like that's, that's disastrous.
What's your take?
It's absolutely disastrous.
And the Fed have got themselves into a very tough position.
They were trying to get political this year, suggesting they were going to lower rates for an election year.
And of course, we saw six months of inflation booming, and it's restricted their ability to do that.
But they put themselves in a tight spot.
Like I said, two decades of artificially suppressed interest rates have essentially created economy and a government that are completely dependent on cheap
credit and massive debt.
The Fed calling interest rates higher today is not that accurate.
They're only barely above the historic long-term average but I think the real problem here
is that the nation is so deep in debt, raising interest rates any further simply accelerates
that destructive feedback loop that we talked about and ultimately just wrecks the dollars
purchasing power.
So we need more drastic moves, right?
We need to cut this deficit spending and look at how we're going to pay down that debt if we ever want the dollar to sustain as global reserve longer term.
So why gold?
What are going to be the benefits there?
So, you know, for the people watching, so they understand it and kind of, you know, they can then, you know, educate themselves, obviously, you know, text Don Jr.
to 989898.
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It's not just, you know, people will take you through it at Birch, but what are your thoughts on that?
What are the benefits there for the average consumer looking to diversify?
Look, you know, we're seeing global demand for gold, 2022, 2023, now first quarter of 2024, at all time highs.
Central banks around the world are buying gold at record levels.
And it's for the same reasons that we're discussing here, right?
We have an administration that's hell-bent on spending, you know, beyond our means.
We're pushing the dollar's value down and we're incentivizing nations around the world to start seeking alternatives. Well, that's where gold
comes in. As the dollar goes down in value, it goes up. As inflation rises, it goes up. So it helps
central governments preserve buying power and what applies to them, of course, applies to us as
individuals, just at a much smaller scale.
What you said, I think, was very important. It's all about education. We encourage people to...
That's what we're big at at Birch.
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Well, Philip, thank you very much.
You know, obviously, we'll keep talking about this, guys, because it is important.
It is relevant.
You're watching your purchasing power sort of slip away, and there are hedges for that.
But, you know, text Don Jr.
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It's so critical that we all do take that time to educate ourselves, because, you know, right now, your 401K ain't what you thought it used to be, and that continues to go away, and I don't see any change in that anytime soon.
You know, diversify, check it out.
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Philip, thank you very much.
And I'm sure we'll be talking again soon as we get more information economically and otherwise.
Thank you so much for having me.
It's an honor.
Well, guys, joining me now, retired Special Mission Unit operator, UK Special Forces hero and my good buddy, Christian Craighead.
What's happening, man?
How are you?
Good.
Glad to be here.
Thanks for inviting me.
Listen, we were just talking about how, you know how you were relaxed on some of these podcasts I'm trying to work on this, it's like... I don't know what to do with my hands!
Yeah, instead of... I'm a sort of mustard resting bitch face and whenever I'm doing interviews it looks like I'm either terrified, uncomfortable or ready to kill someone I'm always ready to kill someone but I shouldn't make it look like I am Well that's where I was gonna go, I mean you're actually probably most comfortable in everyone else's least favorite place of comfort.
So like, you know, doing bad-ass shit.
Well, can we start on the name-dropping already about, like, President Trump, your dad?
Yeah.
And we were on, no big deal, but I was on Trump Force One last night.
But he said to me, he said, yeah, you're a hero, thanks for doing what you did, running into that hotel.
And I was saying, well, I'd do that any day rather than, like, go in front of 100,000 people.
So yeah, you were at the New Jersey rally last week, and that was... Yeah, that was a big one.
I mean, yeah, I would not be as comfortable going into a hotel complex, taking on Al-Shabaab.
Now, I will say this.
I think I would overperform relative to how the world would think I would perform with a gun.
I'd like to believe that, but you never know until you're actually in that situation.
How do I frame this properly is that I know how much of a good shooter you are.
And I think if someone said to me, you've got to run into a combat situation with Donald Trump Jr.
I'd be like, yeah, that's cool.
Especially with the long gun.
Actually, I heard you talking, I think you were on one of the podcasts, I think maybe you were on with Sean Ryan talking about this.
I really appreciated the compliment.
They were like, yeah, Christian Craig is saying you're about as deadly as it gets with a long gun.
I was like, I'll take that as a serious compliment.
I can't remember, was it Sean Ryan?
It's come up a few times, people asking me.
I think the answer that people always want me to say, they always want me to say, nah he sucks or whatever, he plays a good game.
Everyone wants a bad mouth, everyone.
I'm preaching to the choir, but those of you who know me, No, I don't really give a shit what I say or don't say.
Within reason and then obviously for security and legal issues I'll hold back.
But if I didn't think you were a good shot, I wouldn't say it.
Can I curse on here?
Yeah, you can say whatever the fuck you want.
I do it all the time.
That needed a fucking two.
Yeah, exactly.
It's not really cursing, it's punctuation.
And I don't particularly like swearing, but I sometimes think it's necessary to get a point across.
But yeah, we've had the conversation before about the standards of law enforcement and military and etc.
But my thing as well to add is I always used to run my mouth a lot about Saying, oh, the bigger the crowd, the better I am.
I really need to tone that down, because when I say a big crowd, the biggest crowd I spoke to before yesterday was 340.
By the way, just to be clear, for most people, that's a huge crowd.
For most politicians, that's a huge... I mean, if a congressman can get 100 people to show up to an event, that's a really big deal.
Can you imagine if Joe Biden ever got 340 people to show up to an event?
That would be something.
Putting those four people in the circle, they're over here, just stay in your little circle.
Actually, there's a comment I was going to make.
I shouldn't get that much involved with US politics, but here I am.
The only time Joe Biden would get 100,000 people to show up on a beach is if they're all in tents and Yeah, exactly.
Or if they're giving away free stuff.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I guess you obviously you're British.
You're talking about U.S.
politics is different, but it sort of feels like U.S.
politics these days is global politics.
I know after your event, right, you went to the White House and met with my father.
This was way before.
This is while he was still president.
How did the U.K.
receive that?
Because it seems like you may have been penalized for that.
Yeah.
OK, where do we start with this?
Before I start, I always used to caveat this with saying, it doesn't matter that it's President Trump or not.
It shouldn't do, because he's the President of the United States of America.
And given my upbringing, given where I'm from, that was a huge honour.
But it shows, to me, the actual power of your father.
You're not meeting the President, you're meeting Trump.
And that's the difference.
And it was definitely, I would say, from my experience, from the UK point of view, a massive negative.
But I guess the whole thing was a negative, right?
Because, I mean, I think what you did, you know, the left immediately sort of did the, oh, that's toxic masculinity.
I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Like a guy who has the skill set, right?
It's not like it's reckless abandon, right?
You have a skill set of doing operator stuff.
That's what you, I mean, you're a British SAS, right?
That's a big deal.
You see a problem.
You address it, you handle it perfectly, you save lots of lives, and it's like, no, no, no, that's negative because that's toxic masculinity.
I'm like, you know, it feels like everyone hates on toxic masculinity until shit goes down in their backyard and all of a sudden they're looking for their redneck friend who's, let's say, toxic and masculine.
The whole thing of when everyone's got guns and everyone, people are saying, oh, ban guns, until people need guns and they're saying, oh, haven't you got gun supplies or whatever else?
It always falls into it.
Yeah.
There's another element as well, which is jealousy.
I always say, when people say, anyone would have done that, I say, no they wouldn't have, because people didn't do that.
No one would respond.
It's always a good sign.
There's friends of mine from my old unit who are badass.
And because they're secure, some of them are saying, hey I wouldn't have done that.
I would have got permission or I would have waited for approvals.
And they are badass.
But it's the people, the non-meaters if you like, they're doing me, but it's an expression.
Is there the ones who've gone, oh yeah, anyone would have done that?
They wouldn't say that to my face, but that's the character.
They'd say it to their friends, their family, going, oh yeah, that's just another day in the special mission unit.
Well, everyone wants to believe that, right?
And you think, it's not another day.
It's quite an exceptional... I'm trying to get better at promoting myself and this incident.
It was quite a badass incident.
And the bottom line is, no one...
No one was helping at that time.
And I heard a woman get murdered.
Gunfire, explosions, people... No one was around, and I thought the explosions were the security forces clearing through it.
And then when I asked if the security forces were there, they were like, no one's here yet.
And at the same time I heard a gunfire, I heard a woman scream, and that gunfire cut it off, and I realised that that woman's just been murdered.
So I was like, right, I'm going in.
Talk about the, you know, the consequences of that.
I mean, you clearly save lives.
I think everyone recognizes it.
And I think at the same time, you know, the UK, whether it's the Ministry of Defense or, I mean, you basically got in trouble for doing the right thing.
When, you know, everyone likes to say, oh no, you're supposed to call the cops.
It's like, people are literally actively being murdered.
Like, You know, the cops are only 10 minutes away when you need them right now, you know, or whoever else was gonna be in there.
I mean, you know, talk about that because it feels like, you know, we deal with that in the American military these days where there's this recruitment crisis because, you know, the guys that you probably want fighting for you, they don't want to go serve under a trans admiral or something like that, but we got to pretend that's wonderful and it's inclusive and it's all bullshit, but it doesn't matter.
And it feels like, you know, if I I want those guys, like you, to be able to do that.
I want the guy that has that skill set to exist.
Like, that person is vital to my children's survival.
And yet, you're penalized for doing what was ultimately the right thing and you were successful.
Yeah, and it's a very complex sort of...
story afterwards of what happened, which I'm not really ready to go into detail about.
Not through security, just through I'm not ready to put it all out there.
But it's a whole source of mystery of exactly what they did and what they didn't like.
Because yes, I did get a lot of support, but You know I was at, we'll probably cover this in a little bit, I was at an event with Ambassador Johnson.
He invited, he spoke to your father and he knew I was in London.
That's Woody Johnson, that was my father's ambassador to the UK, the court of St.
James, a big position.
And he invited me to an event to speak on behalf of the British, he said on behalf of the British government because Before, again it was a fastball, you said that usually at this event a representative of the British government would speak.
It's usually the Prime Minister, but I feel like you should represent your country because of what you did.
That didn't go down very well, apparently.
By the way, that's like the most Trump thing ever, so I'm surprised.
Because it's true, it's like, hey, we don't need, you know, the bureaucrat that probably chastised you for it representing the UK.
We like, we want the guy that did badass shit, because that's like... But that's so I'm there, and I did that, and there's key government ministers who are still ministers today.
And I did this speech, and it was really good, and I've covered it before, and at the end, Everyone started clapping and I just made a toast, so I shouted at the top of my voice.
Ladies and gentlemen, God save the Queen and God bless America.
That's great.
And Ambassador Johnson was like, that's fucking brilliant!
But after the event, people were coming up, shaking my hand going, brilliant, brilliant.
The head of the British Army at the time, we chatted for a long time after that.
The UK government ministers were all there, and are still government ministers now.
Not one of them even made eye contact with me.
That's how angry they were.
It's not a case of not giving a comment.
We're going, hey, thanks for what you did.
Thanks for representing us tonight.
We're proud of you.
Or not.
Or even if you suck.
Doesn't matter.
They didn't even make eye contact.
They were avoiding eye contact.
And I thought, yeah.
So it seems like it's endemic.
I mean, this is a problem that you have, you know, in the US.
There's this disjoint between sort of the, you know, the quote-unquote leaders that are there to represent the people.
I mean, the people clearly got it.
I think they respect that.
I don't think there's a single person that, again, didn't want you doing what you did, and yet...
That disjoint's got to be pretty scary, and I feel like I see that here every day happening in America.
We always loop into this establishment thing, whatever you want to call the establishment, and it's where you fit, you don't fit in the establishment, nor does your father, and that's the problem, and nor do I. But when we are praised by the public, or it's like, this person, whether it be Christian Craighead, whether it be Donald Trump Jr., or whether it be President Trump, He's not one of us yet he gets public praise and they do not like that.
How dare you?
It's true stepping out of your lane into their little kingdom.
They don't like it when the public praise someone else who's not one of them.
Yeah, well, I also feel like... Yeah, no, but with the UK, I mean, and I think America's slowly getting there as well.
I always use the example, I feel like it's also become a very sort of process-driven society.
People have a hard time sort of, you know, thinking for themselves.
I use the example, we have this, you know, sort of great thing up in Aberdeen in Scotland, this old castle that we were fixing up for, you know, basically to be like a You know, a clubhouse for a golf course.
And I remember we're doing the work on this thing and it, you know, it's originally built in like the 1200s or whatever it is.
And, uh, you know, obviously many iterations since then.
And I'm watching two guys on the construction site and they're like Scottish, you know, six foot five rugby looking, you know, 260 jacked and they were picking up a radiator.
Now it was a small cast iron radiator for, uh, literally like a powder room bathroom.
So it's like three sections and they're there and they're full safety gear and helmets and flashing lights and blaze orange and they're having safety straps and they're picking up this radiator and they're moving it six inches and smacking it on the floor two guys like and i'm like like they're dinting the floor every time so i literally walk up i grab the radiator one-handed i go like this i just walk it over and i put it in the back and they looked at me like i was a magician yeah because like it was like wait like these guys could have crushed me
But, you know, as a society, the rules have been so strictly enforced and everything has a rule and a process and a this and it's like that people have gotten so accustomed to that they're incapable of actually thinking outside of the box.
You thought outside of the box and you acted, right?
And saved lots of lives.
They are incapable of doing it and so the guys literally, they looked at me like I was a magician at first and then you saw him go like this.
They were like embarrassed.
They didn't think to move it.
It's that can't do mentality now.
It's like, oh, I could do it.
Everyone could do it.
Yeah, to what we were talking about earlier.
And it's like this thing that's endemic in society now is cowardice.
And here's an example of, I think a lot of people in the military and law enforcement technically are cowards.
And what I mean by that is, Moral cowards, or if you told someone to go in, assault a hotel or run into a burning building, they'll do it.
If you told them to, they're not going to go, no it's not me.
Some might, but most of the time they will do.
But now what people are scared of is the consequences, not the physical danger.
So now without the authority they'll say, Well, we're waiting for someone to tell me to go in there.
They say, hey, can you go in and help?
Go and help.
And I'll go, it's not my job.
I'm waiting for approval.
And it's not exclusive to military law enforcement.
Every walk of life, as you've just covered, there's people saying, I could do it, but I'm just waiting for tell me to do it because I'm scared.
And quite rightly so.
In some cases, because of how expensive life is these days, You don't want to lose their job.
A lot of people pointed out to me about Kenyans not helping initially.
I always dismiss it.
To give them the benefit is, life in Kenya is hard if you haven't got a job.
There's no support system.
So when people weren't going in, it's because they were worried about losing their job.
In some ways I can accept that.
I mean, was that something, you know, was that at risk despite everything being a success, you know, on a relative basis?
Were you, you know, did they mire you in the legal?
You're talking about the legal nonsense.
We have that here.
Police officers refuse to do things, not because they're not capable or willing, but Well, you know, if I arrest that guy with a 30-page rap sheet and he says that I was, you know, a little aggressive despite the fact that he put up resistance, or I literally have cop friends that, you know, we were arresting a guy and he broke free and he literally ran into a wall on purpose and smacked his face so that he could claim police brutality, they sue the officer, he loses his job, his house, his pension, his life, and they're like, you know what?
It's not worth it.
Did you experience some of that yourself?
No, I think whilst it was going on, Allegedly, they were getting ready to court-martial me.
Because here's the thing, and this is what, in my opinion, special forces or special operations missions are all about.
It's a high-stakes game.
Everyone can be brave and everyone can say, I would have done that, when you know the outcome.
When you know the outcome, it's when you're going into whatever the situation is and you don't know how it's going to work, you don't know if you're going to live, you don't know if you're going to die, you don't know if it's going to be a failure and therefore you're going to be prosecuted.
If the Kenya thing had been a failure, I would have been the scapegoat.
Everything would have went to me.
Again, it's hero or zero.
That's it.
And that is what special operations is all about, or should be about.
And that is why you need people like me, and people who do these jobs, who say, you know what?
We've just got to get on with it.
And I'll stand before God for what I did.
Yeah.
Talk about your unit specifically, right?
Because you talk about special mission, you know, it's a little different than just US Special Forces, right?
That way, which is a sort of more generalized topic.
They're specialized at certain things.
But, you know, what you were in the SAS, that's, you know, the SAS would be, you know, equivalent of like the Navy SEALs, but you were in a special unit even beyond that, correct?
So the SES is like the equivalent.
If you wanted to put equivalent units in the United States, it's the equivalent to Delta Force and SEAL Team 6.
So it's the very tip of the spear.
We used to joke it's the magic dust.
It's the government's magic dust.
If there's a problem with something, sprinkle a bit of SES on it and it'll go away.
And within that though, you were even in a unique unit there, correct?
No, no, the SES is the one.
It's just the one big, OK.
How many people are in British SES?
Off the top of my head, I think it's at all, fully badged, it's around about 200, 250.
OK.
So it's not very big.
But, well, it depends how you look at it.
There's probably about 10,000, because every time I go into a pub or a bar or somewhere in the UK, there's always someone who knows someone in the SES.
So working on that math, there's probably about 100,000.
We have a lot of good bureaucrats, but less actual good people going for these jobs.
of SEAL Team 6 is about a billion people in SEAL Team 6 because everyone in America knows someone.
So, you know, I would say we have a lot of good bureaucrats, but less actual good people
going for these jobs. The bureaucrats, the people who are able to work that system,
you know, they tend to get it. Is that a lot of the same thing of what we're talking about here?
The people that are making these decisions, you know, in the British military and or,
hey, they won't let you write your book. You know, I don't know that there's anything all that secret.
But it's more, hey, you stepped out of line.
We're going to hold you out there.
We're not going to let you take credit for it.
We don't love the idea of toxic masculinity being out there.
I think the book thing is really complicated.
It's not complicated at all.
It's just someone somewhere doesn't want me to write the book.
They want to suppress the story.
And here I am talking to you and lots of people yesterday.
This story isn't going away.
And there's lots of videos and everything being made on YouTube all the time about it.
And it is a source of mystery.
So I should add it that no one in the SAS, my old unit, Present or past has ever said to me, you should not write a book.
Everyone is saying, we want to read your book.
This is a story that needs to be told.
Everyone in the world kind of knows what happened.
But as people said, a friend of mine who was very connected into the headquarters said, it's just ongoing punishment.
But what is that punishment for?
Because there's a few strands to it.
And this is the thing, again it's my opinion, the UK courts would disagree with this, but there's nothing secret in this book.
I worked with my disclosure cell leading up to it and it was heading for publication.
And then something changed.
One of the things that did change was that there was a new president elected.
There was that sort of idea and again it's just an idea and there's lots of things whether it be masculinity story, just pure old jealousy or As some people say, it's a bit of a white savior story.
It's all of those things, and that's why it sticks.
Again, this is not me saying what's the law or what's not.
It's people who are saying this to me, so I don't know where it's come from or what the source is.
Hey, if you were a trans operator...
Yeah.
You'd be, I mean, you'd be on a Wheaties box.
Maybe I should become Christina Krighead after this and then bitch-bash the books everywhere.
Oh!
We'd love to publish your book.
I have a publishing company.
If you go trans, if you go trans, Christian, it'll be big news.
I'm sure your friends will be thrilled from the SAS.
But there's that aspect, there's the aspect of just like pure jealousy.
But at one point, the book was, like, everyone thought, and then all of a sudden it stopped.
And some of the guys said maybe because they knew you were very close to the Trump administration, as soon as that was over, then it was like, yeah, that book's not coming out anymore.
That's another factor.
One thing for sure is that the The Trump factor is a factor of it all because it ended my career.
That was the nail in the coffin.
Well, the final nail in the coffin was the Woody Johnson incident.
But that was the thing that they didn't like and I messaged you about it because I was reading Triggered.
Yeah.
And the Trump derangement syndrome.
This is a really good example.
I'm buzzing that I've met Donald Trump.
I'm messaging everyone, get back to where I was living in Kenya.
I was talking to a friend who's a diplomat in the Foreign Office and I said, hey, I met Donald Trump.
And they went, oh, it's a shame it wasn't Obama.
And I was like, What?
And it couldn't even be like... It's not even that... They can't even be pleased that I met... Oh, that's good for you.
And it was like... And I went, well, why do you say that?
What's wrong?
What is wrong with President Trump?
And he went, oh, he's a racist.
And I was like... Everyone's a racist.
I went, is he?
And I went, yeah.
And I went, well, give me an example.
When was he racist?
And he went, oh, he just is.
And I went, well, give me an example.
There's thousands of them.
Well, if there's thousands of them, just one should be a deal.
And then it was, oh, fuck off, Christian.
So it was like, oh, so you can't argue that now.
And that's kind of a thing.
And one of the things that hurt me a lot, and this is going out as a fuck you, is not too long ago, I bumped into a really good friend of mine.
And I was talking to him, and this was in UK, and he was with some old guy who was an ex-general, who was a very senior in the British Army, not retired, but retired now.
And we get introduced and he said, oh, this guy lives in Texas now.
And I was like, he goes, oh, is Trump going to win?
And I quickly kicked Chip in and went, he will do if I've got anything to do with it.
And he went, oh no, you're not a Trump supporter.
Oh, that man.
And I was thinking, and it really hurt me because I was thinking, you're supposed to be a general, or you're an ex-general.
You should know what's going on in the world, how things are.
But if you honestly think that Trump becoming president again is a bad thing, Then you are delusional, or you, again, but, like, as I've covered before, he's part of the establishment.
Yeah, no, well, and they're also, those are the guys that get the board seats at Raytheon, and so they need the never-ending wars, and, you know, we'll just send everyone in the Ukraine to, you know, be cannon fodder, because, you know, they get that board seat and they can make a couple hundred thousand dollars a year sitting there sending, you know, a bunch of kids to their death in something they haven't articulated yet what victory looks like.
But, you know, talk about, you know, So when this all happened, so you went to the White House the first time, tell that story cos it was sort of fascinating, we met I guess we may have met before that, I think we met somewhere I think at SHOT Show or something like that No, we met afterwards Was it after?
Because the thing was um oh sorry, carry on No, go for it, tell the story I think it's sort of I know this whole story is just about meeting but um but yeah, the White House thing happened and then I think because we had that 2 weeks to flatten the curve There was a bit of distance between meeting each other.
But because when I retired in September 2020, that's when Field Ethos reached out to me and said, hey, we want to work together.
And they've been my longest support network, if you like, from retiring.
Well, yeah, so it was funny.
We had the first conversation I had with Grisha.
I think we were doing a review.
One of the early conversations.
We were doing a review of, like, the Browning... I guess Springfield Armory was doing a new version of the Browning Hi-Power, and we're sitting there talking guns, and, you know, it's like, cha-cho.
I guess we had met before this, but this was the first time we were sitting down
and everyone in the room had been drinking for quite some time, and you're like,
oh, that review was really good, it was personal to me.
I really love the Browning high power.
And I was like, well, why is that?
He's like, I think you said something defective, like, well, the first five people I shot
were with a Browning high power.
And I was like, wow, that was, he goes, not the first five people,
but I count handgun because inside of five yards is the only thing that counts, right?
It's so much more intimate.
I didn't say five yards, but I mean, five's coming up, but I just say, yeah, it's the close distance stuff.
So I was like, yeah, this is my guy to get.
But there were the first, I maybe shot a guy with a rifle first, but it malfunctioned, and then, but that's all in that same deal, and then went close in with the pistol to neutralize threat to life.
So it's always you, as I say, it's... The analogy I use is the SA35.
It's about, it's like, that's the first time.
So it's about, oh, it's the first time, I remember using that for the first time.
And then the SA35 was like, you see it again 30 years later, 20 years later, and it's had a makeover, it's looking good.
I wouldn't go back there, but you're doing well right now.
Everyone loves their first love, right?
You can never break that one.
I'm pleased you're looking after yourself.
Have a good life.
Talk a little bit about what you're doing now.
First, you're now an American citizen.
I'd been talking about coming to America for a good at least 10 years before I actually left in 2020.
I'd always looked to come to America.
And it was just that it was all part of the plan.
It was a lot harder than what I thought.
It's kind of frustrating that it was once I knew or once I got connected with the best legal team, then it was easy.
But it's not easy to get into the United States.
No, it is.
You just have to go into Mexico.
You can hike a couple of miles.
You fly into Tijuana, get a backpack, walk across the border.
They'll give you probably 10 grand a month, a cell phone, and your court date will be in a couple centuries.
It won't even matter anymore.
That's the thing.
That's what people acknowledge.
Everyone knows it's a border crisis, but what people don't know is how hard it is To legally get into this country and work.
That's the thing.
Yeah, you can come in.
And what I found out, not what I realised, sometimes I like the rules and sometimes I don't.
And I do like order.
And because America was my dream, I was always rigid about what was legal and I looked into a lot of things.
So I didn't work until I was legally able to work, which was frustrating because it cost I'm flying to America on my own dime and things and not getting paid and not working or doing it, but I'm legally scoping things out.
But I realise how there's a lot of people in America who illegally work without realising it.
Because the guy in a bar, the type, oh my friend says you can do this, I'm like no you can't.
But the point I'm trying to get to is it's really hard to get into America to work legally.
And that's what people should know as well.
It's like, yeah, we have people flooding in, but all these good people, if you like.
Yeah, the qualified people who would add value.
Who are going to earn a lot of money and therefore pay a lot of taxes.
And that, to me, is something I couldn't understand.
To me, it's a no-brainer.
If you were coming to a country to work, whatever visa it's on, There should be a box from the company that's saying how much are they getting paid, and the higher you get paid, the quicker it should be to get into the company, because then you pay more.
Yeah, the more value you add, it doesn't seem... But even things like the more taxes you're paying, the more money you're going to spend, all these things are going to be a factor, but for some reason it doesn't matter.
We actually make a conscious effort, it seems, to invite the people who will never contribute anything, who will never employ anyone, who will likely never create anything, who will actually always be a drain on the system.
Yeah, if you're a thinking person, it doesn't make all that much sense.
And I'm privileged, I feel privileged now. And it was like one of the, it was like,
when I was given my initial visa and things to come and work, it was like a landing in America.
It was like, and ironically, it was like the first time I've been coming in on a tourist visa,
back and forth trying to like, have interviews and things.
And once it was like, legally coming in, it was like, I got more questions at border control
than I ever had done. But it was all good because it was all like, yeah, and this is it. And I'm
thankful. And now I've like, I'm becoming the American, I've got a truck.
I've got a... But I was in the UK last week I live in Texas and got a truck And people, they're in there like, we're like, we'll get in my truck, like the truck, they're so little, it's like a baby truck, it's like, this isn't a truck, like it's not a truck, like I drive a 700hp truck, like that's it, like my truck's out front, that's a truck And that's it, and you see people, you see people with like BMW X5's a good example, in UK it looks like huge Yeah, it looks massive, it's massive I had a Land Rover Defender in the United Kingdom and parking it was a nightmare Yeah and errr As in, I'm a terrible parker anyway, but it's big.
But you see them over here, they look tiny.
Yeah, a Defender here is at best a mid-sized car, especially in Florida or Texas where everyone jacks up their cars, they've got the expanded wheelbase, it's pretty crazy.
So growing up, was the military always the career you wanted?
How did you get into that?
Because you took it from It was from as early as I can remember.
That's what I wanted to do.
with you and the Queen and I mean explain that genesis. It was just it was
from as from as early as I can remember that's what I wanted to do from from from
as early as I can remember and it's all these things there was like movies like
movies and like inspired me to sort of join and and and and that's another
thing well I mean we're going off topic straight away but like movies inspired
it.
What am I famous for if you like?
is the sort of template for a 1980s, 90s action movie.
So, like I said, I've already said it.
I've acknowledged it.
Thank you, Sylvester Stallone.
Thank you, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Thank you, all the other people who maybe inspired me to be the man I became.
Well, they won't let you write a book.
Will they let you do the movie?
Well, I think the fact is that I think the movie's probably going to happen with or without me.
Yeah, I mean, someone could just say, hey, it resembles something like this, but it has nothing to do with it.
I mean, they could do.
And I think as long as I've got nothing to do with the screenplay based on what happened in Nairobi, then if someone wanted to do a movie about my life or maybe like the life Like what parts of my life inspired me to be who I became.
They can write the screenplay about what happened in Kenya because everyone kind of knows what happened.
They could speak to people who are briefed about it.
They get that information.
They could do everything.
And I would just help them on my life story.
And that's probably what could happen.
And I'd say is going to happen.
But we never know.
You never know.
Who knows?
The book is dead in the water right now but people change, policies change, opinions change.
So I always say never say never but that's just how it is.
But going back on to, I just wanted to join the army all my life and did everything and I was just focused and just wanted to do that and join the army as early as I could at 16 and then just went up all the chains.
So seeing what's happened in the army that you love today, if you had a son that was of fighting age, would you recommend that he goes in?
I think so.
I would.
It's one of those things where I'd be like, If you wanted to do it, I'd say do it, experience it, make a career out of it if you want to, but if not, go and do it.
But I'd say that to anyone, whatever they wanted to do, whether they wanted to be, just say, hey, life's going to find you out.
What you think you're going to do when you're 16 is a lot different to what you're doing when you're 40.
I'd say that and I think lots of people can agree with that.
But the army that I joined in 1992 is totally different to the army I left in 2020.
And I guess that's why I asked the question, right?
So many guys that I know that are, you know, second, third, fourth generation military, they're like, I'd never have my kid joined this army.
You know, my army?
100%.
This army?
Almost no way.
And I think it's a problem.
You know, again, whether it's the attack on sort of just masculinity in general, the... You know, I got in trouble.
Some of my SEAL friends, you know, I talked about them, and they were telling me, like, guys that were active or just getting out, and, you know, they're like, listen, we spend more time doing, you know, diversity training than we do shooting.
And I was like, no.
You know, I said it in a speech one time, and I woke up the next morning, it was a shitstorm in the press.
Don Junior says this, there's no way that's true.
And then guys like Rob O'Neill, that are big in that community and who've been out there, it's like, he's 100% right and it's a serious problem.
And I think the big problem with, it's not, again, it's not exclusive to the military, law enforcement, it's every company, is you have a company ideal and a mission.
And then you have people who are dedicated to that mission, who are part of a real team.
But then you have career soldiers or career employees who they're not really interested In the development or the goal, they're just interested in themselves and they say the right things to the right people.
They don't get involved with things that might be a bit controversial or they don't speak out to rock the boat that may upset the boss and things like that and then you see them progress.
The trouble with that is that I think that's become a lot worse from my point of view in the military as time went on, especially say post 2015 it started to really pick up movements and I've spoken to friends of mine in JSOC And they said exactly the same thing.
It's how it's infiltrated by these like career soldiers and they persecute the professional soldiers.
And I'm not saying that.
So this is again I care about what people think far too much and what I should.
But that's not writing off people who are in position of power who are senior enlisted.
I'm not writing everyone off.
But they know.
Yeah, I think everyone knows who the bureaucrats are.
They know that there's frauds who progress in that unit.
Nowadays, again, going back onto this cowardice is how there's people not willing to speak out.
And again, I don't think there's not that much difference from Refusing to run into a building versus refusing to speak out when you should do.
And that's what we're seeing the problem is.
And I think a lot of the problem with the US military and UK military is everyone likes to blame officers.
But officers are just officers.
They've always been kind of the same and they always will be the same.
What's changed the most is the senior enlisted because they're the people who should be keeping the officers in line saying that's a stupid idea because I've been in the US Navy for 25 years and I see where you're going.
But now because it's this mindset now change, they just go along because they've got their eye on a pension, they've got their eye on the next job.
And that's the same in most companies, and you've probably seen it.
Yeah, I think the same thing happens in corporate America these days.
That's why it's not exclusive to the military.
We're not going to shake anything.
I'm due for a promotion.
I'm going to get that.
I saw it a lot in having a secret service detail for me.
I saw a lot of things like, hey guys, why don't you do it this way?
This makes no sense whatsoever.
Totally inefficient.
Yeah, you're 100% right.
We know.
But if we said that, if we suggested that, we wouldn't get a promotion because, you know, someone's brother is the guy that's doing the procurement and it's a big system of inefficiencies.
The thing with, like, shooting and it's a big thing where I come into.
I was a lead instructor.
If anyone wants to disagree with me, I've got the testimony of service to, but I kind of wrote the book on hostage rescue and we changed how we do things and shooting and all that kind of thing.
And Am I a good shooter?
Kind of.
I say, in the grand scheme of the world, you have been tested and proven.
Am I a good shooter?
Am I a competition shooter?
No.
But I compete against myself and I compete when I do training.
Am I a good instructor?
You're fucking right I am.
And the reason why I am is, I say it's not whether it be military, whether it be shooting in general, is people say, why do you teach that?
That's amazing, or that's a really good technique, or I never thought about it like that.
And I'm like, that's right.
You never thought about it.
And that's the problem with a lot of jobs, training, shooting, is that people just don't think about it.
There's good instructors, but they're good.
But they're just instructing on what they've been taught, even though they shoot thousands of rounds every single day.
They haven't got the individuality.
To then go, actually I'm shooting a lot, I've been taught this by this grandmaster and it's really good, but actually, how about, why can't I think of something better to do?
But again, if you teach something outside of the norm, it's like, oh well, we're not sure about that.
And that's something, again, maybe I shouldn't promote it as much because then it would put me out of a job.
But you're right though, for me with shooting, I try to, you know, my name gets made a lot of noise.
The question is, why?
It's not people just say we do it because you say well why do you do it like that and you just say I don't know it's because I've been taught that correct and so for me we're shooting with a lot of different people you incorporate and by the way some things work for you that won't work for someone else yeah and you know it's the aggregation of all this I was having this like discussion with someone recently and it was about and that's where it comes into this like kind of maturity where you You hear about a technique or something and you say that's just garbage.
But I'm not closed off to anything.
I'm in this stage in my shooting career where I learn more from beginners than I do from experts.
They'll have their way because they've had years of experience and it's not wrong, it's brilliant and they've got the trophies to prove it.
And you say, yeah, got all that, brilliant.
But then you'll take someone on the range who hasn't used a gun before, or they've just used it on and off for a couple of years, and you'll see something, and you'll learn something.
I learn more from that, whether it be something to do with my teaching technique, or whether it be something they do, and they just do it naturally.
And you go, that's really, or it inspires you to then think of, they did that, that's really interesting, and then you develop it.
Yeah, sort of like, sort of like, you know, close combat, you know, fighting.
Like, I mean, I think you learned a lot from Kimberly about, you know, a year and a half ago at SHOT Show when I think she beat you in wrestling.
At least, at least it looked that way.
I'm just saying, this was about five o'clock in the morning and I think, I think she really thought that she was winning and you're just sitting there like, you know, having a good time.
I don't know.
She was like, I think I got him.
I was like, I, you know, sure.
I think you were double fisting drinks and uh... Yeah, that was it.
Okay, can we... I mean, this could be unfair.
No, this is not fair!
Let's go on.
So in the same paragraph we said, wrestling with Kimberley at 5 o'clock in the morning, double fisting, and... Chris is basically like... He's like motorboating Kim.
He's just like, I think I got him.
I was like, I think he's having the best time ever, Kim.
I don't know about you, but uh...
I get to see Drew's face Wednesday, so I reckon that probably means that what I've just said has just been... No, that's 100% staying in.
Don't you worry about it.
Oh, I'll ask about the original conversation.
The only time I've ever seen Christian totally in shock.
Yeah, it was, and that's an experience to behold, is to be attacked by Kimberly Guilfoyle at 5 o'clock in the morning.
You know things are going downhill at 5 o'clock in the morning on SHOT Show, when literally there's 50 people in a room and everyone's wrestling.
I'm like, I don't know what happened, but this is kind of pretty ridiculous.
Talk to us about the Ministry of Defence.
Not the UK Ministry of Defence, but your brand, the Ministry of Defence.
What are you doing with that?
Tell everyone about it.
The Ministry of Defence is a developing company.
It's a US company.
Owned by me and FieldEthos.
What we're doing is... I wanted to do my own merchant stuff because people like what I stand for and my ideals.
But it was just too hard getting.
So we came together and we're having fun with it and developing this company.
So it's good that we're, right now, baby steps, we're doing merchandise, cool caps, we're doing what we call the armor upgrade, which is a small pocket bible, and all that stuff.
It's developing, we're going to do collaborations, so we're going to do some knives, some equipment and other things, and then that will also Speaking of field ethos, I have a couple of questions from Jason.
So if you want to do training with not just me, but like-minded individuals
Who are attached to like my brand Field Ethos. Yeah, speaking of Field Ethos, I have a couple questions from
Jason I'm told to ask you about the fancy chair in your house and
what's the story there?
You know, see there's times you can get this man uncomfortable
You know, under fire, he's cool as a cucumber.
So it's just the Herman Miller brand of the chair.
I think it's the Eames chair.
And it was just some, again, it was one of those things where On retirement, we were in the two weeks to flatten the curve, so I was kind of in lockdown in an apartment in the UK for two years, virtually nearly two years, and one of the things I promised myself was that when I get a house, or when I get my own house, I'm going to spoil it and buy one of these chairs.
They're like $7,000.
So this wasn't like a sex swing or something like that?
Nothing like that.
Sorry to disappoint you all, but it's not some, like, it's not some... Well, the first time I'd ever seen Christian truly uncomfortable, guy, one of our other Field Ethos partners, Dave Edder, just walks up to him in casual conversation, his opening line, and it's actually sort of a, it's actually sort of a great one, because, you know, you can tell, you can tell someone right away, he literally walks up to people and just like, hey, I'm Dave, what was your last Pornhub search?
And... Christian froze.
It was an uncharacteristic freezing.
I won't even give the answer.
It took maybe a day to get back to him, but uh... I think the fact that you can remember it is... Oh, I remember it because it was pretty fun.
But just so we're clear, you talk about Woody Johnson, who was our, again, our ambassador to the UK.
His wife was, they're friendly with us, and his wife was at our place up in the Hamptons.
Kim and I, this was like right...
I guess somewhere like 2020 before lockdowns or whatever.
And Dave literally walks up to her and asks her that same question.
So, you know, it's his, it's his opening gamut.
And, you know, usually we use it.
This is not for HR purposes, but, you know, we use it in the hiring process at FieldEthos.
Because if someone's usually stumped, if they don't come up with something good, even on the spot, even if it's a lie, they're probably too stiff to work there.
So just kidding, HR people.
We're just joking.
We would never do something like that.
It was kind of fun.
So talk about David Sterling and Patty Mayne.
Do you think they would have asked permission?
I guess these are some of the founders of...
Your units?
Yeah, I don't think so.
I think, yeah, they definitely wouldn't have.
I think, yeah.
So what changed in that period of time?
I think it's kind of that thing that we covered earlier where just like society changed and I'm not saying no one would have done what I did but I'm saying it's very few and I think, but even if it was just say in the 1990s it would have been, I would have said I think Everyone would have done that. Yeah, it's just how society's
changed a bit But they yeah, I think they would have definitely got stuck
in maybe so Jason You gotta tell us the story about getting shot by a Russian
sniper rifle. Yeah Yeah, I took em. I mean it's
the The quick and easy story is there was a gunfight going on, it kind of died down but there was a sniper active and I was running across the road at a bleak angle and clearly the sniper was aiming at the centre of my back and when he fired my arm must have been rotated back and it went through my arm and blew out my arm basically.
And my arm was just hanging by the tricep.
And I was down and got down behind a rock, manned down, got into a vehicle.
Got into the vehicle and then got to the aid post and then they fixed me up and sent me to Bastion and then it was nine months of rehab.
But again, strange things when you... I was in the vehicle and I could see the weight of my bone hanging out, my arm hanging by the tricep and I had my assault glove on.
And it's strange how I was twiddling my thumb, fingers, and I was like that.
And I was actually thinking positive.
So it wasn't all doom and gloom.
I was thinking, oh right, I can do that.
I think there might be a way to save it.
And when I was in the rehab, they kind of looked at my arm and they said that this is like a million dollar shot.
Because when a high velocity round, and I have to say there's lots of people being shot in the arm, and if it goes through tissue, there's a chance that you can just crack on with it, and I think that's fine.
When it blows out your arm and you're humorous, is shattered, you are not in the game anymore.
But they said the fact that it shattered the arm and there's three major nerves running down the arm, and if any one of those is compromised, then that's it, you can't do something with your hand.
But miraculously, all three of those nerves were intact, which is like a miracle really.
So yes, what do you eat or drink after shooting someone?
Yeah, I was like this morning.
I was like hey, I did some good stuff.
What do we got here?
Yeah, I think the the the it's like Well, the thing eating and drinking is almost like having a cup of tea.
It's like the most British answer ever.
It's when I used to give the presentation about the incident and said, and bam, bam, bam, this all happened.
And I jumped in my truck, went home and had a cup of tea.
And that was a thing.
I remember being in Kenya and I had a shower, wore a kikoi, which is like a sarong for those who don't know.
Like, basically wearing a towel wrapped around your waist, and made a cup of tea, sat down, put some music on, and then Sky News, and I was watching myself on Sky News, pulling hostages out, so it was kind of surreal like that.
That's interesting.
So, you know, obviously you're working on Administrative Tense, you're living in the States, I know you actually, you're blocked from releasing your book, what are the next things in your life?
Do you keep fighting to get that out there, to make sure that story, you're writing a children's book, Yeah, children's books out and it's called The Wrong Wolf.
The Ministry of Defence, the British, did not block you from doing a children's book though?
They probably wanted to, they're probably looking at it.
They're probably trying it, sorry.
It's kind of a, well it's a metaphorical story of like what could have happened.
Yeah.
But no, that's good.
It kind of, it's a, I shamelessly forgot to bring any in but, but, It was on Amazon, but they ordered some, but not many.
And then even though everyone wanted it, they didn't.
And apparently, again, this is all just remote control.
They've done it to us too, so I've seen it as a guy who owns a publishing company.
On the back, it's got a short biography, and it says, He's exploiting a special mission unit or something like that.
Gained him an audience with Queen Elizabeth II and the 45th President of the United States of America, Donald J. Trump.
And I said, that itself probably, in the algorithm, made you a naughty boy.
And so if you're going to try and buy it, although apparently it's still available on Amazon, I would go to the source, which is BookBaby.
But it's a great story.
And in a nutshell, it's a story about a wolf who becomes a sheepdog and the moral is that it doesn't matter how or where you're born, that doesn't define where you're going to end up in life.
I like that.
Talk about the Queen.
Obviously to the Brits, in most cases, very special.
It's sort of interesting to watch over the last few years before she passed, even how that became somewhat controversial.
I look at her as someone, even from the outside, with incredible respect.
Someone who You know, I don't want to say perfect game, but pitched, like, a pretty damn good game for 85 years, you know, through thick and thin.
You know, obviously nothing's ever perfect, but talk about that experience.
I was awarded for my exploits in Afghanistan, and then... And it was just an honor just to meet her.
I think my view with the Queen was she, like, ascended the royal family.
It's like, the Queen...
It was the Queen and the Royal Family is the Royal Family and in some ways they're different people.
You could argue it's kind of like...
President Trump has ascended the presidency.
It's Trump and the president and it's that kind of same same but different.
And I think when she passed a lot of other ideals like from the British public went with it and then people would review the role and purpose of the royal family.
It's not a territory that I want to really get into but because she was Everyone knew of the Queen, as in there's very few people who existed before she did in the country because of her age, so she was always a constant.
Yeah, she was an institution.
And she was a constant, and like you said, she nailed it.
She knew her role in life and her job and executed that perfectly.
And there was an incident, like again, this is the kind of pride and patriotism that That she kind of put into people was there was an incident when I was in Iraq when I was in a special reconnaissance unit called Pathfinders.
And I was doing a close target reconnaissance after being in close combat the night before, taking care of those guys with the Browning.
And we set up an OP, there's just four of us in this observation post onto an Iraqi Armoured Division.
And me and one other guy, Larry, had done a close target reconnaissance and been Creeping around Iraqi tanks the night before, literally about 15-20 yards away from tanks with the crews around them and things, they were sleeping.
We came back, we set up the observation post and because in the night we'd missed that there was a T-55 tank in range of us.
What did they want to miss?
As it came light, we were like, it was time two and I was facing one way and one of the guys shook me and was like, Christian, And so we slowly, slowly started collapsing.
I got onto the radio and said, hey we need an airstrike in immediately.
And they went, are you troops in contact?
No.
I said, but know this, we are in range of the main armament and the machine gun of the of the main battle tank.
Once they see us, we are going to get torn apart.
And they said, well, it's going to take about an hour for any air assets to get to you.
So I was like... Luckily, when they were saying this in the ops room, the artillery officer heard it and went, he did his calcs and was like, he's in range of our artillery.
And then they got back to me and said, you're in range of artillery, do you want to do a fire mission?
And I was like, yeah, stand by for fire mission.
So I delivered the fire mission.
The problem is this is over satellite communications and so we're slowly packing things away.
As we're packing things away, the Iraqi troops are starting to get ready.
They're getting up in the morning, doing normal morning making tea and all that, cutting on the tanks.
So it's only a matter of time before maybe they spot us.
And we could have ran the gauntlet and stayed there all day.
But so I send the coordinates and everything.
It's danger close, so we're within the minimum safety distance of these artillery rounds.
And we're there.
And so I said, OK, let's say we've got, can you do time on target for 0700?
That's it.
And they're all, yeah, time on target 0700.
This is like, say, 0650.
I mean, these times are just put out there.
I'm just using an example.
But it was early in the morning, so it's not far from these times.
So I'm like, yeah, time on target, 0750.
I cannot adjust any target.
So if I've got the coordinates wrong, we're in a pickle.
So I said, I cannot adjust the shot.
So once you commit, We're running to like an extraction point, up and running, and on foot, and we've got an Iraqi Armoured Division.
So they said what we're going to do is we're going to, well they call it Dolly Mix, Dolly Mixture, where we're going to fire high explosive rounds, smoke, then high explosive rounds, and then you'll get away and the vehicles are going to come pick us up.
So I was like, yeah, I cannot adjust, I'll be closing down, so I'm going to close down it, Sorry, 0658.
So I closed down.
Anything to adjust?
I was like, cool, I'll copy that.
So we're slowly closing everything down.
So the idea is I'm going to collapse the radio, pack it away, and then from that we've got two minutes to hear it.
And it is quite dicey.
So I'm going to send the last transmission.
And the call sign was 34 Delta.
And I said to Zero Alpha, Zero Alpha, this is 34 Delta, now closing down.
God save the Queen.
And that is it.
That was kind of the whole thing.
And people in the office room were like, Yeah, let's get it on.
And we packed it away and then waited, and then we heard the shredding through the air, and then all hell broke loose on the armor division, and luckily we all escaped.
Yeah, so I got to meet her myself.
I thought it was actually a really cool experience.
We went over, probably one of the only things I did sort of that was like, you know, kind of official visit, but because it wasn't governmental, you know, I went over for the 75th anniversary of D-Day with my father, and I, you know, go to Buckingham Palace, and we're supposed to go to state dinner or whatever it is.
I remember, had us in like a waiting room and my father had this sort of an interesting conversation
with her, it was supposed to be like 20 minutes and they sat there for like two and a half hours
because I think, you know, my dad's my dad, he's just sort of, it was like real talk
and I think she was actually probably relieved to not be in the formality of it
and you know, it was sort of fascinating watching him, you know, even hearing him for the next day or two
tell the story to us, like how amazing this sort of was.
And, but I remember we're in this waiting room in Buckingham Palace and my back was to the door
and I'm talking, you know, sometimes I get a little animated
and I'm holding court even with my family and like the door opened behind me and I didn't notice
and like the queen was standing there and I turned around, I'm like, oh crap, it's the queen
and like I forgot all the formality and everything and I'm not like a star struck individual
but I was like, she goes.
Don't worry about it.
It was like she brode out for a second.
It was very cool.
That's why I was like, you know what, this is a woman that gets it.
I understand the formality and all the bullshit, but she was actually not like that.
She played the game, but in the moments when it didn't matter, there was a lot of normalcy.
And I'm sure, again, people like her, some people might crave for just a bit of normality.
Everyone around them is always airs and graces.
And maybe they're just thinking, all I want to do is have a normal conversation with someone.
Yeah.
No, I think there was a... Yeah, it was an interesting thing because it was probably an unlikely friendship based on at least the way most people would pursue it.
But it was like, even her people were like, this is unusually long conversation.
She doesn't do this.
And it was sort of fascinating to see.
Yeah.
But yeah, I think she transcended the royal family.
The Queen was like an institution within itself.
Well, Christian, I appreciate you being here, buddy.
Thank you.
Thank you for being the example of toxic masculinity and toxic whiteness and toxic everything that everyone in the world hates because, you know, one way or the other, I think we still need some of those people to do these things.
And hopefully you're an example for others to break from that mold, to not go with the bureaucracy and to To fight for the things that we all believe in.
Thank you.
And I hope that my message, we say in the Ministry of Defence, my Ministry of Defence, that sometimes you're it, all hell is breaking loose around you.
You don't know what's going on.
You're waiting for help to arrive, and then you realize you are the help.
Yeah.
And you're it.
Well, it's interesting, even listening to you talking about, you know, these things, you know, when you're talking about, like, combat, you actually get so much more comfortable than talking about it.
Like, that's like, was combat like a zen place for you?
Because I can literally see it just in the way you're talking about.
You're like, oh we're getting shot at and there's a tank a couple hundred yards away and like we're gonna die and it's like you're actually just very relaxed and just it's a comfort place.
I think it is and it's even like combat itself is the fact that I said this I got cut off to do the whole explanation but Well, that would sound like a psychopath or a sociopath or any kind of path.
Everyone thinks I'm a psychopath anyway, so it's fine.
That ship already sailed.
The best moment in my life was killing someone for the first time, or killing those five guys.
Because if you think about it, all my life I wanted to be a soldier, a warrior.
And then you go into training when you're 16 years old and everything about training, despite what modern media, modern recruitment or from the military might think, if you join the army you should have an idea of where you should be going to get stuck in.
So you spend all that time training.
I joined in 1992.
The incident in Iraq was 2003, nearly 11 years later.
So that's like practicing for a game all your life and not actually playing a game and now you're playing the game.
So when it comes to it, it was always the question then, could you do it?
Could you kill a man?
And you're like, oh yeah, I'd like to think I could.
And then it came to it and It was in a real high stress environment and not only did I do it, I did it potentially saving my friends lives and they saved mine in turn.
We got ourselves into a mess but through professionalism, through that training and building up to it, we got out of it and we survived.
So it's a good feeling.
It's not like all I wanted to do was kill someone.
That's one way of framing it.
The other way is it was a build up of all this training All my life.
Years and years of hard work and dedication.
Yeah, so that's the kind of like...
I'd hardly remember what the question was.
Well, no, I guess I'd ask it.
I imagine you saw... Well, I was talking about just sort of that general zen... Sorry, feeling comfortable.
In an environment that most people would probably be most uncomfortable, and I'm sure you saw plenty of people that, you know, perhaps maybe not in the SAS, but that otherwise would Freeze up, you know, under that pressure.
I won't say about the negatives, but the positives of like, well, I remember being on missions in the SAS, and I think when you go into a mission and all you hear is gunfire, and it's all kicking off, and you hear guys going, yes!
And it's like, where some people will be like, this may or may not have happened, I can neither confirm nor deny it, but if you're going towards a target and everyone's waking up and gunfire starts, people aren't unhappy about that.
People are like, okay.
Game time.
And that's the difference, is when you feel happy, and it's like, I'm sure there's paramedics and doctors who, you know when they say, oh, we had a mass casualty situation?
It's unfortunate that's happened, but they're like, ah!
This is why I do this job.
Correct.
Yeah, the triage guys.
It's a whole different game.
It's feeling comfortable in something, and that's why I need to do more interviews, do more speaking to 100,000 people, and then maybe I won't suck.
I've seen you speak, I think you're great, but like I said, I noticed when you got into that mode of combat, even talking about it, you just got like...
Relaxed.
Okay.
Maybe I need to start gobbling off more and... Next time we're gonna have my team, we'll just like start shooting, we'll shoot some rounds overhead, you just chill out and be like, oh, this is my happy place, let's go bug shit up.
I want to get comfortable talking about combat experiences and things like that and maybe some of my past history, maybe everyone will say, will you get him to shut up?
Because all he keeps on going, all he can talk about is combat.
Listen, he wasn't that comfortable talking about combat with Kimberley at 5 o'clock in the morning with everyone laughing and putting bets on who's gonna win.
See what I mean?
That's what I said, you know when I said the most... I think he's having the most fun he's ever had getting his ass kicked.
I need to mentally log this when someone says, oh didn't you say in a podcast that the highlight, if you like, the best moment was combat for the first time?
And I'll say, it kind of, but a close second was combat with Kimberley Guilfoyle Maybe that is, I'll hit up your publishing company and that's what it should be, is like My Life of Hell in Trump Towers, a subtitle of Combat with Kimberly Guilfoyle.
Yeah, that was a fun night.
Watching all the guys just laughing about it, it was just hilarious.
That was a good time.
I look forward to many more of those, man.
Thank you for being here as always and thank you for doing what you do.
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