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Standing for Truth Amid Left-Wing Lies, Interviews with Mary Margaret Olohan and Jeremy Carl | TRIGGERED Ep.139
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We'll have Daily Signal reporter and author of the new book, D-Trans.
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Mary Margaret Olihan, which does a deep dive into the extreme trans agenda that's coercing so many young Americans into making decisions that, let's just say, probably aren't all that great for them.
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And with that, guys, joining me now, the author of D-Trans, True Stories of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult, Daily Signal reporter, Mary Margaret Olihan.
Mary, good to have you on here.
It's so great to be here.
Thank you so much.
Well, thanks for joining.
Your new book's sort of an interesting one.
I talk about it sort of on the show a lot, but usually in, like, just snippets of insanity, right?
You see the stories and you're like, I... I use the analogy, I feel like I'm the star of The Truman Show someday.
It's like, this can't possibly be actually happening in, like, the real world.
But your book goes so much further, and it chronicles the stories of detransitioners, people who did it, realized it was...
The wrong move.
You know, why did you decide to write that book, and what did you find?
Well, I decided to write this book because as a reporter, and I would say as a conservative reporter, I view my job as filling the void that establishment media leaves.
We know that establishment media doesn't cover so many important stories, whether it's about campaigns for President Donald Trump, whether it's about gender issues, immigration, all of these different topics.
They purposefully don't cover certain things or they word things certain ways to make the American public go along with their viewpoints.
And so for a long time, I've been trying to report stories and just put the truth out there so that American people have all the facts.
And that was the same thing with this project.
I was reporting a lot on gender issues and I started seeing all these stories of detransitioners popping up.
And of course, when the mainstream or establishment media reports on them, they'll say weird things like, most people don't regret their transitions or You know, they'll call the transition procedures gender-affirming care, which is a euphemism designed to sound like it's loving and caring when in reality it's surgeries, puberty blockers, and hormones, even when we're talking about kids.
So I saw this coverage and I thought, I want to tell the stories of the detransitioners It's not going to be commentary.
It's just going to be reporting.
It's their stories so that your average American can pick it up and say, wow, this is their story.
I have a lot of empathy for them.
And I don't agree with that because we already know most Americans don't agree with transgender surgeries for kids.
They don't want men in women's spaces.
The establishment media would have you believe that they do.
Yeah, no, I've found that and I've said it and even gotten myself in trouble because I'm like, hey man, if you're 30 and you want to do it, I don't care.
I don't want to pay for it.
I don't want to hear about it ad nauseum.
I don't want to be subjected to whatever your whims are about ever-changing fluid pronouns and nonsense.
And most importantly, stay the hell away from our kids.
And honestly, I think a lot of people are there.
There are those that are going to be sort of totally...
But that's not the case.
It seems like the target is always children.
Uh... Why is that?
I would say it's partially because we've seen real attempts from far-left ideologues and progressives to honestly steal the innocence of our children, whether that's in schools with their sex education, the way they talk about sex and gender with kids nowadays, where that should be a topic that is brought up by their parents, first and foremost primary educators, right?
But we're not seeing that anymore.
We're seeing attempts to teach kids about this leftist ideology.
And you see it coming from the White House, you see it from coming from medical institutions, from corporations, it's just kind of pervasive.
And again, it's not something that most Americans are on board with.
And that is pretty scary, too, because we we see all this push for it, when it's not even something that people want.
If you didn't know any better, you'd think that it was, you know, like a 95% popular issue when it's probably A 5% popular issue with the most radical and extreme people somehow having the loudest voice in the room, which I can't quite figure out.
Yeah, it's disturbing.
And the way that the media will talk about it, they'll say, for example, I'll pick a random state, Pennsylvania wants to ban gender-affirming care for kids, or Pennsylvania's trying to pass an anti-trans law.
And they word it in these weird euphemisms where you would think, oh my gosh, like, Pennsylvania's- You're murdering children!
Yeah, or you might even think like, oh, Pennsylvania doesn't want trans youth to be able to get antibiotics for strep throat or something like that.
That's the way they want it to sound, when in reality, these lawmakers don't want kids to undergo irreversible surgeries.
Because once a girl undergoes a double mastectomy, she can never go back.
You know, she's never gonna be able to nurse.
The hormones might have messed up her fertility, they might have messed up the way she looks, the way she sounds, and you would never know this from the way that media and these activists talk about these surgeries.
It's framed as loving and helpful and care and not irreversible and painful and invasive and sometimes disgusting.
Yeah, I mean, what is the recidivism rate?
I don't know, you know, or the detrans rate?
Because, I mean, recidivism is maybe the wrong word for it.
I'm just not well enough versed.
But what is that detrans rate across the country, right?
Because stuff I've seen, and you know better just from doing your homework on the book, but it's really high.
Like, really high.
So, what's interesting about this whole issue is that first of all, detransitioners are really unlikely to go back to their doctors and say, I detransitioned.
So the statistics that we have are much lower than they should be because if you think about it, it's kind of like if someone were abused and they went back to their abuser and said, hey, you did this to me, I didn't like it, I'm moving on now.
It's like that weird... Yeah, it's too uncomfortable to have that conversation.
You're going to someone else so you don't know.
Right.
Right.
And so, you know, when you go through this process and the doctors and therapists tell you, this will make you happier, this is going to improve your mental health, and then you come out the other side and realize, oh my gosh, it's impossible for me to actually change my gender.
I just will never be able to do that.
I've spent all this money, I'm mentally and physically suffering, and I went through all this trauma and now my life is worse than it was before.
You're highly unlikely to go back.
to the person that did this to you.
So Lisa Littman is a researcher who's done a lot of work on this, and she did a study that found that I think only about 24% of detransitioners actually went back and told their doctors that they detransitioned.
And so because of that, we have a very skewed statistics on who actually goes back, and we don't have any kind of detransition process to help them.
Because the doctors in our medical community right now are too cowardly to actually take a stand and offer their services and help to these poor young people and older people who realize they tried to do something impossible and now they need medical help.
You know, they have, for example, Chloe Cole, one of the most famous detransitioners.
She still has open wounds from her double mastectomy that haven't healed because of the way that it was performed.
Some of these men who undergo really invasive procedures in terms of trying to create fake genitals.
That's very painful and invasive and often just has continuing complications and they need help.
But unfortunately, they don't have doctors who have been willing to say, okay, I took an oath to do no harm.
I am gonna, you know, make a name for myself here and offer my services to these people.
Seems very odd that no one has stepped forward, but I guess that's the time that we're living in.
I mean, I've read numbers, and again, you know more than me that it makes total sense that people would be afraid to go back to the person that convinced them to mutilate themselves.
But I've read numbers up to like 93% of those maybe don't even detransition, but ultimately regretted doing it in the first place.
Is there more information on that or is it sort of still lumped in the same thing?
Because it does feel there's so much support, and I'll use support in air quotes, pushing people into this situation, but it does not seem like there'd be nearly enough support when people are like, no, that was a huge mistake, I'm sorry.
Because then you're transphobic or something like that.
Right, and that is what they're told when they decide to detransition.
Before, it was all love bombing and it was, you know, all these gender activists and transgender people online would tell the person that was thinking about transitioning, yes, this is the right choice for you, you should do this, you're going to be happier.
And that's something that comes up a lot, this happy talk, like, this will make you happier, when you can't really promise that to someone when you're a doctor, right?
That's kind of unprofessional to be saying, yes, you will be happier.
if you undergo these surgeries.
And that's part of the reason I use the word cults in my subhead of my book,
because there are very cult-like qualities about the way all of this is being conducted.
But when this person, let's say Chloe Cole, realizes, oh my gosh, this was a huge mistake,
I need to de-transition, I need to go back to living as a girl,
The transgender community just vilifies you.
They'll say, you were never part of this.
You're a betrayer.
You hate us.
You want us dead.
And that language comes up a lot, too.
This hateful, like, you wish we were dead language.
Yeah, and I could see you being sort of caught in sort of, you know, let's call it like a DMZ, a no man's land, right?
You've gone through all this.
There's a Physical, optical quantity that you may not feel comfortable in either group.
And I would imagine that's perhaps the worst place.
And you're right.
Those who are, oh, it's going to make you feel better.
I mean, I think if we're being objectively honest, statistically, that's actually wrong, right?
If you're saying feel better has got to be more than 50%, it's not.
Right.
And yet it doesn't stop them from pushing that, right?
Yeah, and I think that the whole feel-better mentality, too, is pushed by people who are relying on feelings rather than facts, right?
And so there's this need to harness feelings when what we should be talking about is science and biology and what's actually going to help you.
Like, for example, a young person struggling with their identity, it's usually when they're going through puberty, which is a hard time for every single person, but nobody actually explains that.
So a young person going through puberty and struggling and feeling lonely at school, they probably need more attention from their parents or they need better friends or a solid social group.
They need to play some sports.
They need to have solid social interactions.
Those kinds of things are really healthy.
They don't need to be on their phone in their room all day long, which by the way, Every single detransitioner I spoke with was spending too much time on the internet, too much time on social media.
That's where they were first exposed to all of these dangerous ideas that lured them down this path, ultimately.
So, just for parents, anyone, any parent that's worried about this, it is the phones and social media that is a major culprit in all of these transitions.
Yeah, no, it feels like that and, you know, as the father of five young kids, you know, that's scary because, you know, you do that.
They have their phones and this and all their friends are watching and it's, you know, you can see the, you know, whether it's the TikTok sort of Chinese psyop, you know, that is not something that's flooding the Chinese algorithm of TikTok, only in America.
Uh, it actually feels like there's actually, you know, a very much nefarious sort of purpose behind this.
Like, this didn't just, you know, five years ago we weren't even having these conversations.
Like, no one even heard of this stuff.
Ten years ago, you know, when I was in college, I graduated in 2000 in college, like, there were literally zero, I knew zero people.
I mean, you know, I grew up in New York City, I knew plenty of people that were gay, and then, but like, this thing was not a, it was not a thing.
That it could somehow manifest and be, A, such a big part of a conversation, still an incredibly seemingly small group as it relates to, you know, per capita of society, and yet it does feel like there's an incredible amount of undue influence.
Like, I feel like the trans mafia is probably, you know, per capita, the strongest lobbying group in America.
They can do no wrong.
They are beyond reproach.
You can't question them.
You know, it doesn't make any sense that they got that much power as well.
Yeah, and it is very disturbing when you see the messaging that some of these groups use that's made its way all the way to the Biden White House.
The way they talk about these issues, like I was saying before, is all euphemisms.
But when you have messaging coming from the President of the United States saying that gender-affirming care, the trans surgeries, hormones, and puberty blockers, is vital to trans youth, so effectively saying if trans youth These young people who think they're trans don't get access to this stuff.
They might commit suicide.
That's coming from the White House?
Yeah.
It's all based on... Yeah, I'm sure an 80-year-old, you know, geriatric Catholic is... I'm sure it's really an issue that's him.
So, you know, where is it then coming from though, right?
I mean, it is coming from the White House, but like...
No one believes that Joe Biden thinks that this is actually a real thing.
Now, he'll say whatever they put in the teleprompter.
I mean, he's basically Ron Burgundy, right?
You put it in the prompter, he'll say it.
But where else is this coming from that it does get to that level where it is coming from the White House, where it is on display at the White House Easter egg roll?
You know, the people that are bringing decency back to the White House have, you know, trans women showing their, you know, Whatever, they're privates on the lawn of the White House during the White House Easter Egg Roll.
Man, that's gotta come from some powerful places.
It is.
It's coming from the Human Rights Campaign, the HRC.
It's coming from the ACLU, the American Civil Liberties Union.
It's coming from GLAAD, which is an acronym that starts with the gay and lesbian, and then I don't even know where it goes because it's such a long acronym.
But these are some of the top pro-trans groups in the country that for a very long time have been trying to wield their influence in different ways.
And I remember, you know, I mean, I haven't been writing for too long, but I do remember a point when there were conservative commentators saying, Watch out, this is going to come for kids next.
This has been the plan all along.
And people were like, no, it would never get that bad.
Like, that would be insane.
That would be so radical.
Well, it was the plan all along and now we're seeing it playing out.
And we got hints of this along the way.
You know, for example, Planned Parenthood gives out hormones and testosterone and estrogen,
very easily accessible.
One of the girls in my book told me she went to Planned Parenthood,
and that same afternoon they gave her a prescription and she went and got it filled at CVS
and started injecting herself in the leg with testosterone every day.
That's how easy it is.
And that girl on her intake forms told them that she had been suicidal two weeks before
and Planned Parenthood was like, great, go for it.
So Planned Parenthood is involved in this as well.
And it's these very radical, high profile groups that have been working to change our culture and change our politics.
But thankfully, like I was saying before, Americans aren't on board with this.
So something that I try and do in my reporting is to show the realities of how radical these things are, because I think it helps people understand the real situation.
If they know this is radical, they're not going to want to support it.
But if they're only getting news from organizations funded by these radical groups who are taking their talking points from these radical groups, then they're not going to understand what's actually going on.
Yeah, and I feel like I see it when I talk about sort of, you know, the men playing in women's sports.
And, you know, I've been talking about that for years and probably seven, eight years since it became like a thing when they started winning state championships and stealing, you know, proper biological females, you know, their scholarships.
You know, I've got daughters that are great athletes.
And I'm like, this is ridiculous.
And even like, you know, five years ago, like Twitter 1.0, when it was just 95.5, like ultra liberal people, you know, I'd comment on it and people are like, Oh, I hate Don Jr.
so much.
You're such a piece of crap.
But I agree with him on this one.
You know, it's not actually at all popular.
You know, they still do it.
But what's scary now is they're trying to come up with, to your point about the, you know, the hormone treatment that plant parents, they're trying to figure out ways to carve parents out of it.
You know, you're, You know, rainbow-haired, you know, kindergarten teacher, you know, can have that kind of influence, but your parents can't.
You know, I know in Canada, I was just up in Toronto, you know, a week or two ago, and they're literally talking about, like, making it criminal if parents don't acknowledge the pronouns of their kids that, you know, could it be...
You know, the most impressionable group, the most easily brainwashed, uh, you know, in society.
You know, their teacher can do this and the parents are literally at penalty of going to jail for just not acknowledging this nonsense.
I mean, that's very real and it's happening and it doesn't feel like we're far behind.
They're trying...
You know, what would a parent have to say about this?
Like, well, you know, a parent would go to get in serious trouble if those kids were drinking at home.
Uh, you know, they couldn't do that for another 15 years versus, you know, at three years old.
They can't buy a pack of cigarettes.
But, but we can alter their lives.
We can mutilate their bodies.
Parents can have no control.
You know, when do parents say enough is enough?
You know, again, I understand it's not easy to go up against these machines, you know, but like, it shouldn't take a genius to realize that, you know, hey, this is not like a 51, 49% issue, like 90% of politics.
It's probably like 90, 90, 10, 95, 5.
And if people actually started speaking out about it, you probably end this nonsense once and for all.
Right, and I think parents need to be empowered with statistics and facts to be able to talk about this, which is part of the reason I wrote the book, because I just wanted to give them stories to talk about.
But I totally agree with what you're saying about the way parents are being cut out.
I was in Colorado recently speaking to some parents at a gender summit where they are really under fire out there.
Colorado and Vermont and California are some of the worst states in the country right now when it comes to gender ideology.
And I see this all the time.
summit looking for tips and help.
And I was telling them, you are considered the enemy right now.
Like you are public enemy number one.
If your kids are in public school, the idea is to keep you from knowing
what they're teaching your kids about.
And I see this all the time.
I'm working on a story right now about a state that is empowering local officials and homeless shelters
to take kids from their parents.
Just wild stuff.
Was that Washington or Wisconsin?
I read about some of these.
And again, it's not like it's a radical fringe group that's doing this.
This is something that's voted on by 100% of the Democrats in some of these state legislatures.
It's real.
It's happening.
You know, again, we sort of think of it, and they try to play it off, like, no, no, no, it's someone crazy talking about that.
It's like, no, no, no, like, I think it was Washington State was one of them, and it was like 100% of the Democrats voted to basically take children away from their parents who didn't go along with this nonsense.
It's so scary.
And then in Washington, all our lawmakers who are here, many of the Democrats here support these kinds of laws, restrictions.
They support these kinds of policies.
I don't know how much thought they're putting into them, but at the end of the day, if they're supporting them, then that's that, right?
That's still going to...
But I think since COVID, you've really seen parents becoming more tuned into their kids' education, parents more aware of what their kids have been taught, more involved in what's going on.
And that's a really hopeful sign for our culture.
I mean, you even saw in Loudoun County that one dad that got arrested when he was pushing back over his daughter getting raped in a high school locker room by a boy that identified as non-binary, I think.
Um, and, and you're seeing more and more parents who are willing to take a stand.
And I think that's so important because obviously it's hard to, it's hard if you're not part of politics to step in, take a stand, make it clear that you're on a certain side, you're going to lose friends, you're going to make enemies.
Uh, but that's what some people are being called to do.
And I think, you know, we often talk about that phrase, what is it?
Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times.
Good times create soft men and then soft men create weak time, you know, the whole cycle.
I think we're in that bad times right now and it's calling on men to become good and strong men and wives too as well, but really the men to stand up for their families.
Yeah, no, I definitely see that.
You know, things that would have gotten you cancelled.
Even phraseology.
Stuff that was, you know, just common vernacular.
You know, when I was in high school and college, it was like, that was like verboten.
You know, you couldn't say that, you'd get cancelled.
And it's coming back.
People don't care anymore.
They're like, you know, this is bullshit.
And it's true.
I mean, that Loudoun County example was a great one.
Like, they wanted to cover up the rape of a young girl Because it would be bad for, you know, gender-affirming care.
Like, what?
Are you guys sociopaths?
And like I said, people see that and it's like, enough.
I think, you know, the teachers' unions probably did themselves the worst favor ever by locking down schools because, like, parents are walking by as their kids are doing online learning and being like, wait, wait, like...
You can't read, you can't do math, but you know the 4,000 genders.
Like, what is going on here?
I saw that, you know, I had a, you know, before we moved down to Florida, I had a, you know, a kid in a school and there was a one-hour class a day.
Some of her older friends, luckily she wasn't in there yet, didn't get there, but we, you know, knew parents in the older classes.
They pulled their kids from school because there was a one-hour class on the trans nonsense every day.
Every day!
But it was the only class that didn't have any homework.
Because they didn't want anyone talking about it.
So they were indoctrinating their children, but they were wanting to make sure it was away from the parents.
Luckily, you know, one of the parents was a friend, like, tough sort of Eastern European woman, like, you know, the mom.
And she was like, uh, this is BS.
And she went and sort of approached the school.
And they're like, oh, well, you must be, you know, racist and transphobic.
And, you know, all the usual.
She's like, she's like, you're the only parent that's actually complained about it.
She goes, that's nonsense.
Because I've spoken to every single parent.
None of them knew.
And once they did, they were outraged.
And so they tried to still, even if they knew what was wrong, even if everyone was against it, and this is a school where, you know, an elementary school education was costing like 60 grand a kid, uh, they were still jamming that crap down our throat.
So it's not just happening in the public schools, or...
So, it was scary, but again, still not popular, but it takes that personality to be like, hey, maybe I won't be liked at the PTA meeting, but you know what?
My child's welfare, their well-being, their future is worth it.
I'm not there to make friends.
I think we gotta break a couple eggs to make a cake, you know?
It's inspiring people to be warriors, I think, which is, which is really awesome and to take matters into their own hands.
And you've seen a huge spike in homeschooling, which I'm a former homeschooler myself.
I'm so grateful to my mom for homeschooling me.
And that has been really interesting to me because it used to be considered this very like quirky, weird thing for people to do.
If you can get the sports and some of the socialization in which I do think are important.
Yeah.
You know, if you can get that in, like, I think literally the number one thing we can do for our children is to get them out of these, you know... Absolutely.
In many cases, it's private schools, or public schools, but, you know, also some of the private schools.
But, so, Mary, how did you go about researching this book?
How do you sort of, you know, go down the rabbit hole in there to get these stories?
I talked to so many detransitioners for this book, and I had already been interviewing some of them.
I had been doing a lot of different stories over the past couple of years because I care about this issue a lot, and like I was saying, I couldn't see establishment media doing any real reporting on it.
Instead, they're highlighting stories about trans youth and, you know, so-called trans youth because I don't actually believe that a young person can truly be transgender.
I was looking for more stories and I was talking to different people online.
Some of these detransitioners didn't want to talk to me because I work for conservative news outlets.
I've worked for Daily Signal, Daily Caller, Daily Wire.
You know, it's very clear that I'm a conservative reporter.
And I would respect that.
If they didn't want to talk to me, I get it.
But I kept trying and finding other people who would be willing to share their stories with me.
And I really am grateful to them for that because a lot of these detransitioners are not political.
They don't really care about Republican or Democrat.
They're kind of focused on what they've been going through.
But their only allies thus far have been in conservative media because conservative media is interested in the truth, which is what all media should be interested in.
Our establishment media has no interest in that.
They are interested in promoting one certain narrative.
And so as I would talk to these detransitioners, you know, we would learn more things and I would be, for example, I would ask them, what high school did you go to?
What was the name of your counselor who told you that you were a boy?
And I would go look up the school and find the counselor and reach out and call and say, hey, I'm working on a book.
Can you elaborate on why you told this young person that they were a boy and push them down this path?
And of course, those types of people would freak out.
They didn't want to talk to me.
They were terrified that this was coming up.
But I think it's an important part of the process is to call up those people that did this to these kids and say, this person's life has been traumatically impacted by you.
You were part of this.
What made you decide to tell them to do this?
There was one guy that I called up.
He was the person that signed off on a little girl named Yalie.
who was a teenager at the time, he signed off on her transition.
Yalie ultimately threw herself in front of a train.
Her body was so mangled that her mother had a hard time identifying her when she went to see the pieces on the train tracks.
That is how horrific her death was.
And this guy that I called, I believe his name was Browning, I called him up and I said, I would just like to talk about this girl's death because you signed off on her gender transition.
So tell me, what made you think she was okay to begin her transition?
And this guy couldn't even remember her.
He couldn't remember any details.
It's just, you know, it's just, oh yeah, ho-hum, let's just do this.
You know, that's like, I'm not for doxxing and all of this stuff, but for these people, like, I consider this, you know, murder, attempted murder, if that happens and they push, you know, you jack up a kid on drugs.
You know, these people, it's got to be clear to everyone that, hey, these are the people that are doing that.
You know, they have no problem putting pressure on, you know, someone in the Trump administration because, you know, I guess, You know, mean tweets or something?
You know, like, these people are destroying lives and they're doing it in such a nonchalant fashion just because it's cool and perhaps they get some social clout with all of it.
Like, I think you have to make these people, you know, make it known.
Oh, you believe it?
Okay, so justify it.
Sting and buy it.
When, you know, 90% of those people do it.
When you have five suicides under your belt from one school in time, You know, I think people have to know, and I think, you know, once they're not as comfortable just doing this in such a nonchalant fashion, you know, things will change rapidly.
Very, very rapidly.
Totally agree, and I think that now that some of these detransitioners are suing, that's even more monumental because they're represented by Harmony Dillon, who has been so brave on this frontier, and she's representing Chloe Cole, a number of other detransitioners in suing the doctors, therapists, and medical organizations that did this to them.
And that is huge, you know, just to see... Go after the insurance companies, because once they're done paying for this stuff, because they understand there's an actual consequence to it, It's not worth it.
This will change rather rapidly.
Absolutely.
And just, I think, for those people, the optics of the lawsuits are huge.
I mean, just knowing that you're being sued and accused of hurting a child, that's massive.
And that can't totally be ignored, right?
You can ignore the Daily Signal writing a story about you, like, sure.
But when there's a lawsuit and that is getting big media attention, and it's specifically saying your medical organization's name or the doctor's name and what you did, and how you told a little girl that she could actually give informed consent to getting her breasts removed and all of these other factors and the way the little girl hadn't even kissed anyone in her life before and yet you pushed her down this path.
Those are details that are going to be hard for them as they come out and those are news stories that they don't want to be out there.
So I think the lawsuits are a massive, huge development and I'm very excited to see how they go.
We'll be covering those more as well but In general, calling the people out, I think, is very important and putting their names out there for everyone to see because if they're gonna play God and pretend that they have this much control over a child's life... Let's play!
Yeah.
Well, so, I mean, you know, get into that a little bit further.
Like, what are, like, I don't know, medical, you know, ethics or, you know, governing rules surrounding these procedures in the United States?
I mean, are there any safeguards or is it just sort of haphazard?
We throw people on hormones and deal with it?
They'll have you sign forms.
If you're a minor in some states, they'll have you go through your parents and what will happen is, for example, with Chloe Cole, she went through this process.
She met all these gender activists.
They tell her she's trans and she's like, okay, I want to go through with these surgeries.
I want to go on hormones.
So she goes to her parents because she's a minor and says, I want to do this.
Her parents, like pretty much every other American parent, are like, no, we don't want you to do this.
This doesn't sound like it's going to help you.
We know you've already been struggling with your mental health.
So they're against it.
And they think, we're going to talk to the professionals because they'll know what to do.
So unfortunately, they go to these medical professionals such as a counselor, a therapist, or the doctors.
And what they are told is, your daughter needs to be affirmed or else she may commit suicide.
And they'll say, would you rather have a dead daughter or a living son?
And I think this is really important to talk about because obviously there are very evil people out there, narcissistic parents who are transing their kids out of a desire to promote themselves.
We see that on Instagram.
You know, that's a different matter.
What I'm talking about here are your average parents who are not super politically tuned in, they're not paying a ton of attention to the issue, and when their suffering child is telling them, I'm gonna feel better if I'm a boy, and the doctors are saying, if you don't trans your kid, she's gonna commit suicide.
It's easy to see why they would agree and why they would go down that path, even though, obviously, I strongly disagree with that, and I think they should have done more research and helped themselves to be more well-versed in the matter.
It's easy to see why they would.
And unfortunately, a lot of parents are falling into this trap.
And so then they sign off, their kid goes through with it.
You know, in Parisha Mosley's case, one of the girls in my book, she was telling me this really sad, vulnerable story about Waking up from surgery after her double mastectomy and her parents were there because they loved her.
They wanted to help her.
So they drive her back to the hotel where she's going to recover from.
I think they picked up Chick-fil-A.
And just imagine that, you know, that post-surgery, those moments where she said her mom had to help her wash her wounds and how they both cried and how it was an emotional experience for both of them.
It just makes me so angry thinking about this poor mother thinking, I don't know what to do here, but I'm told this is what's best for my daughter, and I'm gonna help her, and obviously it was a huge mistake.
And then down the line, the detransitioners, when they realize this was a huge mistake, they have to call up their parents and say, um, you were right.
I shouldn't have done any of this.
Yeah, it's not one of those you're happy with the I told you so, because it's so...
Right.
It's so beyond that.
You know what I mean?
Like, I love winning arguments, even if it's later.
This is one of those.
It's just so sad because, again, in so many cases, it's irreversible.
It's permanent damage.
You'll never be the same.
And you could be, you know, 20 years old only to discover that, you know, your life is gone forever.
You'll never be able to go back.
Yeah, and I think for the parents too, it's kind of this realization moment of, I should have gone with my gut, but I didn't.
And I trusted these medical professionals.
And that I think is very radicalizing because we already saw during COVID how we can't really trust our leaders and our medical professionals to do what's best for us.
And that was hard for many people to realize.
But then when you're getting into medicine and gender ideology and realizing these doctors that I'm supposed to be able to trust with my life, are not trustworthy because they're prioritizing ideology over facts and science.
And not just ideology, they're prioritizing fictions.
Like this concept that for a girl you can craft a fake male penis on her.
It's not going to work.
That's just not, it never will.
But that's what they tell them, that they tell them that it will work and it will function as if they were a guy.
That's just a fiction.
And it's not even a good one.
It's, frankly, kind of embarrassing that someone would believe that or that that lie would be sold to someone.
And there's a lot of that going on.
And so these medical professionals who are perpetrating these lies, you got to wonder, A, do you really believe this?
Because either you believe it and you're crazy, or you don't believe it and you're evil.
And I think we've got a little bit of both going on.
Well, you saw a lot of that, you know, with COVID.
I mean, I have friends that are, you know, doctors and surgeons and super intelligent people that way.
And they're like, you know, hey, what do you think about the mask?
Well, it's bullshit.
I was like, why do you say that?
It's like, I'll lose my job.
Like, I'll literally get thrown out of it.
You know, they're like, of course, like these, you know, just do the math.
This is what the mask says it blocks.
And this is what the virus is.
And when it's, you know, one, one hundredth the size of the holes in the mask, it's like, it's clearly not going to work.
Well, where did six feet come from?
Made up.
But, you know, did the virus start at the Wuhan lab?
Of course it did!
But why didn't you say that?
Hey, you know, I have a government grant for research.
Fauci controls that.
If I go against the narrative, you know, I'm thrown out.
So, you know, we're told to trust the science, but...
You don't need to be a scientist to realize that all of that stuff was bullshit.
I was calling it out at the time.
I get canceled, but for me, when I get canceled, there's a component of it that makes me bigger.
For the average parent, that's not the case.
Their entire social lives is around their kids and their schools.
You're going to get shunned by the other parents whose entire social stature Uh, sort of is based on the amount of virtue signaling that they're able to do.
Uh, it's pretty scary.
Yeah, I think Tucker Carlson has said, I'm a huge Tucker fan, but Tucker has said that when you speak the truth, every time you do it, it makes you stronger.
And, and that's what I was thinking when you were saying, you know, the more you get canceled now, maybe the bigger you are.
I think I don't care anymore, but I, but I get it.
There's, there's a consequence to being like me.
I got to a point where I built up a big enough platform, a diverse enough platform, but you're a stay-at-home mom and you got your 15 friends at school, you're gonna get ostracized by the cool kids for saying what's fact because they posted their black squares and they're incredibly virtuous even if they're literally perhaps the most basic You know, full of crap people in the world.
You know, I get it.
It's not, it's not easy.
I've, I've, hey, you know, I, I've had to, uh, deal with a lot of stuff, you know, whether it's lawsuits or them trying to throw me in jail or being canceled.
Like I've had to deal with all of that.
You get through it and it's good, but I understand how, you know, that's not for everyone.
Not everyone can take that heat all the time.
No, and I think there's small ways that people can start, you know, just by, and that's part of the reason I wrote this book and the way I did.
It's not commentary.
It's really their stories.
And my hope in doing that was so that your average person could read it and think, okay, maybe I'm not Republican, or maybe I don't agree with, you know, this law banning so-called gender affirming care.
But I don't think I want to support young girls getting surgeries like that based on these stories that I read.
So I think that's a good way to go about it sometimes, is just offering people the truth in a kind of non-partisan way.
Obviously, the truth has become partisan in some ways because one side is not open to it and the other side is.
But with your housewife that you're talking about, maybe she's not called to go into battle for politics,
but she can share real stories and facts like that.
And I think- Yeah, or run for her school board.
I mean, everyone can take a different role.
I mean, and you've done a great job with this.
I mean, you've covered some pretty controversial things.
You covered, you know, the BLM riots from a conservative standpoint.
Again, it probably didn't take a genius to say that, you know, people looting a Gucci store was probably not...
Actually in the name of social justice?
I know that's a stretch.
I know that's a stretch, but you know, you did some of the pro-abortion demonstrations after the Dobbs decision.
Now we see the anti-Israel protests on campus.
What parallels do you see in all of these sort of left-wing movements on race, gender, abortion, etc.?
I mean, it does feel like there's sort of an underlying purpose behind all of it, and it's probably not a good one.
Yeah, I mean, I have covered a lot of protests, and I will say, aside from the BLM protests, which were a whole other animal, and were, I would say, more dangerous and more destructive and just had more cultural impact than the other protests I've been to, the trans protests, abortion protests, Israel protests, you see all the same people at those.
It's really weird.
It's like the same actors that come out.
Yeah, well, the Palestine ones, when they can't spell Palestine, and they're, like, you hear them, you start questioning, and be like, listen, hey, if I'm gonna go out of my way and protest, I'm gonna have a basic fundamental understanding of why I'm there, but you ask them the... So what does from the river to the sea mean?
Uh...
I mean, I don't know.
You're chanting it.
You think you understand what it actually means, but it actually feels like it's the most inorganic form of protest.
It's like, hey, there's a site, and you go get paid a couple bucks an hour to go protest there, and it's easier than working a real job.
Yeah, there are activist groups that are rounding everybody up to go out.
I mean, here in D.C., which is pretty tame, I think, in terms of those pro-Hamas or pro-Palestine protests, there were groups called Students for Justice in Palestine that have been organizing all over the country.
They were really getting people out there.
But I think you're seeing, too, the elements that go out and protest are the more radical factions of their organizations or those movements.
Like, I love going to the Women's March and covering the Women's March and showing what these people actually think.
One time I went and asked, who do you think is more dangerous, the Taliban or Texas Republicans?
And all these women are telling me that the Taliban is less dangerous than Texas Republicans.
Another time I went and asked them, what's the most dangerous thing about Amy Coney Barrett?
Because I wanted to know.
It was during her nomination process to the Supreme Court.
So angry that she has seven kids, that she was Catholic.
They said those things were disqualifying.
And I think that's a really interesting way to cover these protests is to go and show what people actually think there, because that's not in line with what Americans think.
So, you know, your average American housewife might be like, oh, the Women's March is great.
It's very pro-women.
No, it's actually very insane and radical.
And the kinds of sentiments they're embracing there are not what you agree with.
And I think it's good to show people that.
Um, but we are seeing a very, uh, a scary, a scary moment in time and in our culture with these protests.
And obviously we support free speech.
Everyone should have the ability to make their, their views known.
Um, but the way that the, the criminals who.
violate the law in their protesting have been treated has obviously been very different depending on what political faction they're with.
We've seen this week, I believe there were seven pro-life activists who have been sentenced to prison time just for trying to get in the way of someone who was seeking an abortion.
And those are people who believe, obviously, that abortion... Yeah, no, they're praying.
They're not like physically assaulting anyone.
No, they're not.
But if it was the other way around, it's like, oh, that's okay.
It's different.
The unequal justice under the law is really scary right now.
It's insanely scary.
And in D.C., for example, if you commit a violent crime, you might be let back out onto the streets ASAP.
But God forbid you try and stop someone from aborting a baby, you're going to go to jail for five years, as Lauren Handy is.
So that is very scary to me.
And seeing the way the different protesters are treated on the ground is also very disturbing, just to be there.
Well, I appreciate the work that you're doing out there, Mary Margaret.
I mean, it's a big deal.
Someone has to actually be on those front lines.
You are there.
You're doing the controversial stuff.
So much of the mainstream is not covering it.
So thanks for doing that.
Let everyone know where they can follow you, where they can find you on social, and where they can find the book.
Because again, the more we get this stuff out there, the more the messaging is heard, the faster I think people realize that the vast majority of Americans are going to be with them.
Once it gets easier, More people, you know, jump on the bandwagon.
You're just the leading edge, you know, of that catalyst.
Well, thank you so much.
And you can find the book on Amazon.
It's D-Tran's True Stories of Escaping the Gender Ideology Cult.
You can find my reporting at DailySignal.com or follow me on Twitter at Mary Marg Olihan.
I tweet my stories and about politics and you can catch me there.
Very nice.
Thank you so much for being here.
And guys, check out the book.
And we'll definitely have to have you on because I have a feeling this nonsense isn't just going away magically.
We're going to have to keep fighting to make it go away.
But I think if we do that right, we will make it happen.
Well, thank you so much for having me.
This was wonderful.
Thanks.
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And, you know, Philip, I'd like to just get a little bit of an update on what's happening right now with inflation, because obviously that's so critical to, you know, people really losing their net worth, even if it feels like they're doing well.
What's the latest going on there?
Yeah, so we saw the latest numbers come out yesterday.
We saw a slight reprieve with April CPI numbers coming in slightly lower.
It was a 0.1% reduction, now at 3.4%.
But this is on the back of a nasty re-acceleration of inflation over the last six months.
Concerningly, the producer price index numbers came out on Tuesday and they paint a very different picture.
They were up 0.5% for April.
Now, the PPI is a very important index to look at because it measures manufacturer costs and is a leading indicator of rising retail prices in the future, usually 6 to 12 months to follow.
Annualized first quarter data shows a 7.8% rise in costs, which essentially means higher prices at store shelves near us soon.
When the Fed raises interest rates, you know, the cost of credit rises across the board, mortgages, credit cards, even, obviously, federal government debt, which only goes to, you know, rack up, you know, that $34 trillion score a little bit more.
I saw a shocking statistic, I guess it was like last week, that 17% of federal government spending goes to debt service payments right now, just to cover the debt, right?
It doesn't actually get us anything, just pays for all the nonsense.
How does that affect the dollar's value right now? I mean, it's obscene and debt
service payments this year alone are projected to be the biggest line item in the federal budget,
which is an absurdity. But, you know, deficits like this, debt service payments like
this have a dramatic effect We've got to remember, when federal government debt comes due, Janet Yellen's not paying the bill, right?
What she's doing is... The printers go whirr!
Exactly, right?
We're rolling over old loans into new loans, and it's happening as much higher interest rates.
And if you look at the logistics of the arrangement, it resembles almost a pyramid scheme.
Higher rates means More spending, which means bigger budget deficits, which means more spending, which just ultimately inflates the supply of dollars.
And every new IOU that we create pushes the dollar value down and essentially creates this negative self-reinforcing feedback loop.
And it just wrecks the value of the dollar.
And it's showing us it's working against the Fed's attempts to get inflation under control.
So it's becoming a disaster.
Well, I mean, it seems like they're really projecting, you know, sending that sort of hire for longer message coming from the Fed.
Like, you know, rates are going to stay this way.
They're not coming down anytime soon.
You know, that's kind of scary because you see it.
I read a statistic like 43% of small businesses aren't going to make rent this month.
Like, that's disastrous.
What's your take?
It's absolutely disastrous.
And the Fed have got themselves into a very tough position.
They were trying to get political this year, suggesting they were going to lower rates for an election year.
And of course, we saw six months of inflation booming, and it's restricted their ability to do that.
But they put themselves in a tight spot.
Like I said, two decades of artificially suppressed interest rates have essentially created economy.
and a government that are completely dependent on cheap credit and massive debt.
And, you know, the Fed calling interest rates higher today, it's not that accurate, right?
They're only barely above the historic long-term average.
But I think the real problem here is that the nation is so deep in debt, raising interest rates any
further simply accelerates that destructive feedback loop that we talked about and
ultimately just wrecks the dollar's purchasing So we need more drastic moves, right?
We need to cut this deficit spending and look at how we're going to pay down that debt if we ever want the dollar to sustain as global reserve longer term.
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Look, you know, we're seeing global demand for gold, 2022, 2023, now first quarter of 2024, at all time highs.
Central banks around the world are buying gold at record levels.
And it's for the same reasons that we're discussing here, right?
We have an administration that's hell-bent on spending, you know, beyond our means.
We're pushing the dollar's value down and we're incentivizing nations around the world to start seeking alternatives.
That's where gold comes in as the dollar goes down in value.
It goes up as inflation rises It goes up
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Guys joining me now the author of the new book unprotected class Claremont Institute
fellow Jeremy Carl.
Jeremy, thank you for being here.
We really appreciate it.
Thanks so much, Don.
It's a pleasure to be on.
So, you know, I talk about this stuff all the time, but, you know, this book has a pretty provocative title.
It's called Unprotected Class, How Anti-White Racism is Tearing America Apart.
I think it's actually quite real.
We hear about it weekly in the halls of Congress.
Yeah, I guess it was what, Ayanna Pressley last week, you know, talking about, you know, how she hates, you know, white people failing up and especially white men.
You know, how are you trying to talk About, you know, this challenging issue to a mainstream audience.
And what do you want readers to understand about what's actually going on in there?
Yeah, I mean, I try to really just lay out the facts.
I mean, it was one of the things we actually did in the editing process.
I mean, it wasn't a particularly overwrought book in terms of, you know, using lots of provocative language in the first place.
But really, when we did it, we just said, look, The facts here are enough that we don't need to embellish them with a bunch of crazed rhetoric or anything like that.
We can just lay out what's going on and that'll be persuasive.
And I think that really worked.
I mean, I was very fortunate to get endorsements from folks like Tucker Carlson and Charlie Kirk and Peter Kirstenau, the longest serving member of the U.S.
Commission on Civil Rights.
So I think I managed to talk about this issue Which is a provocative issue in a way that I think a normal everyday person can understand and make sense of.
Listen, I think it's an important one.
I mean, if you look at sort of my live feed right now or candidly on any show, it is a topic.
I mean, I know I talk about it with my sons, oftentimes sort of in a joking way, but it's like, hey man, if you're a straight white man with the last name Trump, you better turn trans really quickly or you're gonna...
It is not, you know, that much of a level playing field for you right now.
What are some of the inflection points in our country that it became so normal to attack Americans, to have sort of this sort of, you know, governmental, you know, sanctioned, uh, you know, racism against, uh, you know, certain classes.
Uh, you know, we see it in admissions to, you know, medical schools, you know, with Asians being discriminated against, probably, you know, you know, other groups as well, but, you know, also those certain groups being just artificially boosted.
Like, if you look at them side by side, it ain't even close, and yet it's happening.
We see it across, uh, you know, the federal government in the process of getting government grants and hiring.
You know, what stands out the most to you?
Yeah, I don't know that, Don, that there's any one particular thing that you can point to.
I think there's a few different things that kind of happened.
I think affirmative action and so-called disparate impact, which started happening in the early 70s, were when we really had A sharp divergence from civil rights as being anything like equality.
So I think affirmative action people have a pretty good sense of what that is disparate impact a little bit less, but it's almost just as important.
That's a comes out of a Supreme Court ruling called Griggs versus Duke power in 1971.
And what it basically says to kind of oversimplify is that.
Even if you have an employment process, even if there's no intent to discriminate, but you kind of wind up with numbers at the end of that that aren't pretty equal to the population in question by race or gender or whatever it is, you can be accused of having a disparate impact against a group and you can be held liable for that.
And so what happens, and obviously I know you've run a business, you probably had to deal with this, you know, is that To not run afoul of this, they end up discriminating against white people or whoever else, whatever group is kind of advantaged in that process.
And that has kind of just run amok.
And then I think there were sort of more informal things in the culture where we kind of moved.
I grew up in the 80s and 90s to a degree.
Things were just much better and more informal when I talked to a lot of these younger Zoomers and folks like that.
I kind of have to tell them, you know, it wasn't really always quite this toxic and terrible as it's really become, unfortunately.
Yeah.
No, I mean, and you see that, you know, again, not just, you know, business, but having done business, you know, there's businesses that sort of lend itself to certain things, right?
I mean, you know, people are like, well, there's not enough women in construction.
I'm like, You know, they may be 51% of the population, but like, it just doesn't, it's just not the case.
And so to try to equalize those things doesn't make sense, probably hurts productivity.
It's just, it's just reality, right?
There's, there's probably, you know, jobs.
I know there's, you know, all the DEI stuff you see going on at the airlines these days.
So, you know, We want to make sure we're 50% diverse.
It's like, well, A, it's not even close to our population, but, you know, I don't know.
Maybe there's something about guys that wanted to be pilots that just lend itself that way.
Like, I don't care if the pilot is blue, green, you know, white, black.
It makes no difference to me.
I want the best pilot, but we're no longer getting that.
Right.
No, I mean, you want a pilot who can land the plane.
And I think pretty much if you surveyed anybody, regardless of race, they would say that.
And that's kind of the interesting thing, Don, that you see is even in a left-wing state like California, in the same time that Joe Biden was taken 63% there, an affirmative action resolution, a ballot initiative was defeated there.
Because I think people, like the average American doesn't really want to Yeah, why is that?
against people by race, certainly doesn't want to discriminate against white people by race,
but we have elites in this society, many of whom are white elites by the way,
who are very, very happy to do this to enhance their own power and their own prestige.
Yeah, why is that? It does seem like it actually comes from more than anyone, some of those, you know, sort of the
liberal white elites.
Is it just, is it virtue signaling, like, so many things?
Like, you know, again, I always, I used the example earlier in the interview with Mary, it's like, you know, the people who posted their black squares, their entire social standing is on their virtue signaling, but they're also, like, the most basic people in the world.
They don't actually believe any of these things, but there's such social clout that comes with, you know, doing the nonsense that they're happy to do it and just fall in line and, you know, Yeah, I think that's exactly right.
I mean, you've hit on one of the two things that I think drives this among white elites.
Part of it is status signaling, virtue signaling.
I think, you know, again, if you're truly in the elite, you also have ways, your dad talked about this from his first campaign.
He's like, I know how corrupt the system is because I was a participant in it, right?
Yeah.
I think it's, I mean, if you're really in that elite, you have ways to get around, um, You know, an anti white policy in a way that an average white person really doesn't and a middle class white person and so it can be a way of sort of showing your virtue also showing your power because it's like, yeah, I can go say I've got white privilege because I'm going to be fine anyway, right?
Whereas your average construction worker who's not actually, of course, have white privilege at all anyway, but.
They don't have that luxury.
So I think that's thing one.
Thing number two is a little bit more psychological, which is we have general social survey data in social science.
And so this is not kind of like politically partisan stuff.
It's just nonpartisan surveys.
And one of the things we find is that all groups have what we would call an in-group preference.
So black people tend to like black people a little more, Asian people a little more, white people, white people a little more, et cetera.
Conservatives a little bit more in group preference than liberals, but nothing that like really stands out either by race or...
Ideology, it's kind of what you'd expect.
And within reason, there's nothing wrong with that.
Just like I prefer my mother to some random woman on the street, right?
But there's one exception to this.
And that exception is liberal whites.
Liberal whites, and I haven't seen this even in any other country, when you survey them, they have what's called an out-group preference, which is they think that whites, on average, when you survey them, are dumber, more criminal, you kind of go down the line.
And I think it just sort of speaks to Real psychological problems.
And you do actually also perceive, you know, in surveys, much more mental illness in white liberals.
And I almost think that that's kind of the second leg that kind of drives some of this.
That's interesting.
Yeah.
I read statistics about that.
Like the, the, the, the liberal whites, like being the most heavily medicated, uh, suffering from the most, where, where does that stem from though?
I mean, again, it, it had to come from somewhere, right?
If you 25 years ago, that was probably not the case.
Uh, you know, what made it so?
Yeah, I mean, that's a great question, Don.
I don't know that I have like a really pat answer for you.
I think it may be at some level, they're unhappy with themselves.
And like a lot of people who are unhappy with themselves, they project that unhappiness onto other people in very socially destructive ways.
But I don't think there's kind of one, you know, obvious answer to To that question, but we definitely see it.
And again, in saying all this, I'm not trying to suggest, I mean, it's a little too pat to say, Oh, well, this is just liberal whites problem.
I mean, I think they're, they're a really important cog, but there's a lot of minority political leadership that has participated also in this bad anti-white activism.
And I'm not giving them, I'm not taking away their agency.
I'm not giving them a free pass, but I do think it's a little more understandable.
Like anybody can understand a group or members of a group choosing to advocate for something they might.
Received to be advantageous for their group.
The liberal whites, it's just a little more of a mystery why they kind of do things that seem to be so crazy and destructive.
Yeah, no, it's a statistical anomaly.
And by the way, it feels like in this stuff, there is such a component of grift.
Some of the biggest advocates for this, they're on the... I sort of use the Al Sharpton example.
It was known in New York, he shows up to a thing like, hey, you put us on the payroll and we won't be picketing in front of your business saying that you're racist and discriminatory.
And it's like, It's like a kickback.
It just exists and everyone knows it.
When Al Sharpton was looking at an apartment years ago in New York, he called me as a reference because we joke like we're frenemies.
It's a big joke, and it's like there are people that are actually victims of that joke, though, that don't get it, that are part of that.
And then there's the people who are just basically pocketing a lot of money in the grift, which is disgusting, but continues and seems to be a big part in what's perpetuating this to keep going, because more people are like, hey, if I can make money doing this, yeah, sure, everyone's racist.
That's the easy button of the left these days.
Yeah, absolutely.
And you talk about a guy like Al Sharpton.
He's a classic example.
And I mean, you and I are of similar generation.
So we kind of know that earlier history of Al Sharpton.
I mean, the fact that a guy who did some of the things that he was involved with, could be a mainstream figure on the left who could visit the Obama White House, I think more than anybody else.
He's on MSNBC.
It's a show on MSNBC.
It's not rated particularly well, but they won't fire him because they'll be called racist.
So it doesn't matter.
Like, it's the best form of job security ever.
I mean, it's sort of laughable, but it's a vicious cycle that, hey, if you're aggressive enough pitching your racist stuff, then you're, you know, no one's gonna take it on because it's just easier to leave it alone and, you know, stroke him a check every once in a while.
Yeah, I mean, absolutely.
And this is a guy who was involved, at least indirectly, I'll be careful for legal reasons there, of inciting race riots in which people died.
And, you know, now he's become this kind of mainstream figure who we have to treat as respectable.
I mean, to me, you couldn't imagine A white person with a similar history to Al Sharpton in 2024 kind of getting that type of a pass.
Oh, you know, I incited race riots as a younger man, but now, you know, it's all good, right?
It's crazy.
Jeremy, what role does immigration and sort of Biden's open border policies, you know, play into all of this?
How does that come into play?
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a huge piece of it, right?
I mean, this is, I think Vivek put it really nicely, Ramaswamy in the campaign when he talked about, he said, look, the grace replacement is not a conspiracy theory.
It's just a statement of the Democrat Party's immigration policy.
And it really is.
My colleague Michael Anton at Claremont has a phrase that's called celebration parallax, which I think really describes this very well, which is to say something is either horrible and racist if I say it as a conservative white guy, but if a minority observes the same exact phenomenon, it's something that we should celebrate, right?
It's not happening to you and it's good that it is.
So immigration is kind of part of a A kind of dramatic demographic transformation that the Democrats have celebrated we went from a time before the hard seller immigration bill in the 1960s where we were essentially effectively an all white and black society but 85% non Hispanic white.
Today that number is 58%, and among under 18, whites are already a minority.
And Biden, of course, because he is, even compared to the other reckless Democrats, has just left the border wide open, has turbocharged that.
And so now we have who knows who coming over the border, and we have a dramatic transformation demographically of the country that nobody ever voted on.
Yeah, and you see that.
I mean, they sort of openly applaud it on Twitter.
They're like, hey, now, by 2030 or whatever the year is, it's going to be nonwhite.
They celebrate it.
So if you say anything about the Great Replacement Theory, you're a racist.
You know, all the leftists, and I don't mean like no name, just actual, you know, leftist races.
I mean, you know, people who have some standing in society that are thought leaders of today's left.
They're saying it and celebrating what they're saying doesn't exist.
I mean, I don't know how you can exist in that dichotomy.
Yeah, well, you can.
And again, that's one of the main reasons I wrote The Unprotected Class is because it isn't to stoke tensions.
In fact, quite the opposite.
These tensions are rising right now, and anybody who's online kind of see it, whether or not people are talking about it.
So I said, hey, let's have a real and meaningful, honest, fact-based conversation about what's going on so that we can help all Americans overcome this and get much more toward An ideal where kind of race is not front and center of everything that we're doing.
I mean, that's really the purpose for which I wrote this book.
You know, the left, contrary, is insisting on kind of making that pressure cooker go at higher and higher pressure because they're, you know, if somebody likes me talks about it or you talk about it, we're gonna get called racist, et cetera, et cetera.
Now I've just learned to ignore that over time.
Yeah, but I think that's actually a cultural shift.
I think, you know, five years ago, Uh, even you and I would be there like, ah, we gotta walk on eggshells about that.
Like, like, not anymore.
It's so flagrant, uh, that I think you can just have the conversation.
And again, you know, that's still easier for us to do than others, but, but I think the examples, uh, the insanity of some of it It is so flagrant that people have to start, like, it's actually becoming the norm.
The cancel culture component of this is sort of missing at this point because, you know, I guess since, for the last decade, literally everything has been racist.
You know, sort of, now you hear it, it's like, Move on.
Next.
It's just, here they go again.
Which is a shame because I'm not saying that racism doesn't still exist in some form or capacity.
It's just not the cause of and solution for all of life's problems which the left made it.
No, absolutely.
And I even say in my book, of course, I'm not suggesting in any way that there are not other forms of racism in the country.
I just kind of outline in great detail in looking at everything from our education system to the military, to health care, to business, kind of how anti-white racism, I argue, is really the predominant form of racism.
But of course, there are other forms of racism.
And I think, Don, you're absolutely right that it's gotten much easier to talk about this issue just even in the last few years.
And partially I think that's because conservatives, and I credit your father a lot for this,
because he would say some things and everybody would scream and tear their hair out
and then nothing happened, right?
Well, and it's like, well, what he's saying is not, it's not all that unreasonable.
You may not like it, but it doesn't mean it's not true.
Just because a tweet's mean doesn't mean it's not also accurate.
Right.
So I think he moved the so-called Overton window on this debate in some very, very helpful ways.
So I think that there is less power in these sorts of things.
And I also think that's the good side.
The bad side of it is It's just because things have also gotten a lot worse.
I mean, it's like the left has just amped up the crazy 211.
And so it's like, even for people like myself who are in relatively privileged circumstances, and like you, Don, I have five kids, you know, and they're growing up in, you know, relative comfort compared to a lot of Americans.
But I, you know, I wrote this book for my kids.
I'm like, I can't, you know, I can't promise them the same sort of life that I've been fortunate I was a real estate developer once from New York City.
It was really easy compared to this.
And yet, you know, well done.
Why do you do this?
It's like, I don't have a choice because I have five kids.
I got to leave them a country that we recognize.
And I guess, you know, maybe that goes to the, you know, what would some of the key policy prescriptions be, Jeremy, to address Uh, you know, some of this, uh, discrimination.
How much of the DEI framework is just flat-out illegal that we're able to actually just do something about it based on, uh, just, you know, the rules and norms of our law?
Yeah, well, I think that's a good thing.
I mean, I think that there are some laws that we do need to change and look at, but even within the existing legal frameworks that we have, one of the great things, I think one of the most effective organizations that came indirectly out of your father's administration was Stephen Miller's America First Legal that's really been, along with some other groups, Kind of picking up $20 bills on the ground, metaphorically speaking.
In other words, they are blatantly illegal, even under our existing civil rights laws, practices, employment practices, education discrimination practices, things where we're basically saying no whites allowed.
right in front of everybody. You're not actually allowed to do that in the overwhelming majority
of cases. And so we're beginning to sue some of these guys and say, hey, you can't do that.
And in many cases, they're just folding, even in some pretty prominent cases, because they know
that if they are actually tested in court, they're going to lose.
That, in fact, these things are not legal.
The Attorney General of Missouri, right after the Supreme Court decision against affirmative action came out, canceled, I think, $16 million of racially exclusive scholarships, saying correctly, you know, this is illegal.
We can't do that.
So I think lawfare is a piece.
I think, obviously, getting control of our border is a piece.
I think supporting the police and doing things like that as the police so that we don't have this kind of post-George Floyd hysteria that we really had.
I think there's lots of different things that we can do.
We also, I think, need to kind of try to ban things like disparate impact, and I think that could be done with either legislation or legal challenges. So there's I think there's lots of things,
affirmative action, just kind of working to expand that decision. So it doesn't just cover
universities, but also employment. There's a lot that we can do. We don't just need to throw up our hands
and say, ah, this is hopeless. There's nothing to be done about it. Yeah. Well, over the last few
years, we've seen a lot of hoaxes.
You know, Jussie Smollett, that was one.
I mean, that was one.
I think I was like the first verified person on Twitter or like with, let's call it, with something to lose to be like, uh, I'm calling bullshit.
That's risky because if, you know, but it's pretty clear.
Hey, if this happened, it's despicable and we got to denounce it.
But like, there's almost zero chance that that happened.
And, you know, Of course I was right after being called a racist and a conspiracy theorist and all of that stuff.
What's behind the hoaxes?
And what about all the talk about the reparations?
Is there an incentive structure in our society to further racial division, I guess?
Yeah, absolutely.
And I mean, I'm glad that you, seemingly alone, were smart enough to figure out that maybe downtown Chicago at 2 a.m.
was not this is MAGA country.
It wasn't MAGA country, I can assure you that.
If you were wearing a MAGA, I said it, I was like, if you were wearing a MAGA hat, the over-under of you getting shot is like 15 seconds.
So it probably didn't happen, but that's just me.
I have a brain.
Right, right, right.
So, I mean, you know, that was just one of the more ridiculous incidents.
I mean, if you look at most of these prominent hate crimes and kind of bet on them being hoaxes when they come out, you know, your record will be pretty good, as my friend Wilfred Wiley has kind of showed in his book.
I think there is an incentive structure and I think that's important because these sorts of things don't kind of just spring fully armored like Athena from Zeus's head ready for battle.
I mean they they kind of have gestation period.
They have reasons that they've happened.
I think there's a lot but but kind of one of the main ones I'd argue is That effectively, look, in 2024, you can't just go up to somebody, and I think there's at least a perception, and there's some reality to that, that whites as a group have more resources than some other groups.
But you can't go up to people in 2024 and just say, like, I want your stuff in America.
So you need to come up with what's called... Unless you're a Democrat.
Yeah, well, maybe.
They're certainly normalizing it.
You can't just get, but if they get their way, you know.
Yeah, that can happen to you if you're a Trump.
But you need to have what the, I'll get academic for a second, the sociologist, late sociologist C. Wright Mills called a legitimating ideology.
And that means you have to come up with an ideological justification for doing the sort of stuff you want to do anyway.
So what that looks like is white privilege, White supremacy, you know, you have all these things because of all this, and therefore we're morally justified in taking all this stuff from you.
And I think when you look particularly at the reparations debate, which is, the more you study it, the more it's just completely disconnected from reality.
That's what's driving it.
And all these things, all this kind of overheated anti-white rhetoric is ultimately just a legitimating ideology to justify resource confiscation of various types.
Well, Jeremy, tell us, tell the audience, where can they find the book?
Where can they find you to follow, you know, appreciate you taking in this on?
I'm sure, like I said, I can tell from the people in the feed, they see it every day.
It's sort of, you know, some people, again, feel sort of helpless about it because it is very real.
It is going on, you know, but obviously there's big forces pushing it and that, you know, everyone doesn't have that soapbox.
So, you know, where can they learn more about it?
Where can they follow you?
Et cetera.
Sure.
So you can follow me on x slash Twitter at Real Jeremy Karl.
I have a substack called The Course of Empire, jeremykarl.substack.com.
And most importantly, you can buy the book and the book has actually been doing sensationally.
We went through just in the first 12 days, 12, we went through three new printings of the book, which is a lot if you know the publishing industry, it's sold very well, there's been a lot of interest in it.
But you can go to Amazon, you can hopefully go to your local bookstore, I think retail distribution is Yeah, they're going to hide that behind the Michelle Obama biography like they used to do to my book, Triggered.
I was like, I was a New York Times number one bestseller, but I couldn't find it at any bookstores because they were literally just putting stuff in front of it so that no one could see it.
It'll be in the brown paper bag, metaphorically.
But it really does make a difference, by the way.
And hopefully your audience who's listening to this is like, wow, this guy is making a lot of sense.
But even if you disagree with me on a point or two, What you do by buying a book like this is, sadly, you don't make me rich.
It's not anybody who knows about the economics of book publishing knows that.
But what you do is you send a signal to the market that, hey, we want to hear about this sort of subject.
It's a legitimate subject to be talking about.
Major publishers should be bringing more books to the market about this.
Because as you can imagine, I was fortunate to get a very mainstream publisher, Regnery, to kind of do this book.
Now Sky Horse, who bought Regnery.
It's not trivial.
So the way that you can signal to market that we should be doing more of this is to go out and buy the book and I love getting feedback from my readers and it's been, so far it's been a fun and interesting journey and love to have the opportunity to talk to folks like you about it.
Well, Jeremy, really appreciate it, guys.
Check out Jeremy Carl.
Check out the book, Unprotected Class.
I think you're right.
Make it part of a conversation.
When that becomes normalized, I think it becomes a lot harder to perpetuate the nonsense.
So really appreciate you going out there and doing that.
And great talking to you, Jeremy.
I'm sure we'll have you back on talking about this stuff again, because I imagine it's not just going away.
We'll have to chip away at the nonsense.
Absolutely, Don.
It's a pleasure to be on.
Thanks so much.
Thank you.
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