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April 15, 2024 - Triggered - Donald Trump Jr

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A Court of Corruption: NY Trial is Pure Politics, Plus World Burns Under Biden, Live with Rumble CEO Chris Pavlovski | TRIGGERED Ep.128

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	you what's going on guys welcome to another
	Huge with a capital Y episode of Triggered.
	Every day, every day, somehow the news gets more and more intense and Joe Biden finds some new way to sink to a whole new low.
	And we're here to give you a front row seat to all of the far left communist insanity.
	Also tonight, we have a special guest, Rumble CEO Chris Pawlowski, right here in studio.
	So after we get done with News of the Week, we'll be talking to Chris about all things tech, free speech, Elon, everything.
	So we'll be talking about the left's lawfare.
	We're going to be talking about that a lot right now.
	The corruption that is staring us right in the face.
	They are not even pretending anymore, folks.
	A lot of you guys who've been watching this, a lot of the people I watch and listen to in the comments,
	you guys have been onto this for years now.
	But now it's gotten so flagrant that everyone is seeing it.
	We have some incredible developments going on at Rumble.
	We have incredible developments in this New York insane lawsuit, criminal trial that just started today
	with your favorite president, my father, Donald J. Trump.
	So make sure you guys are hitting that like button.
	Make sure you're sharing, subscribing, so that we can get the message out.
	It's because of you guys that we're able to get this.
	We can beat the algorithms.
	We can beat the nonsense of big tech, the mainstream media, everything that we are up against, guys.
	The rest of big tech is stacked against us.
	So we have to work even harder to make sure that we break through all of that noise
	and grow this movement.
	Also, guys, remember, if you can't make it here on Rumble, you can get the podcast on Spotify, Apple Podcasts.
	So if you miss a show, if you're driving, if you're doing something, you have friends that get it that way, don't forget to check that out.
	And also, for all of the top headlines that we spotlight right here, Go over to my news app, MXM News, like minute by minute, MXM News, where you can get the mainstream news without the mainstream bias.
	That's the one that's been debanked and deplatformed and all of these things because we'll actually show you everything.
	We'll even show you stuff from the New York Times.
	And you can formulate your own opinion as to what's going on.
	And with that, folks, let's get right into the news.
	Jury selection began today in Alvin Bragg's baseless sham case in Manhattan.
	This is pure politics.
	Alvin Bragg is a Soros-funded Democrat who campaigned on targeting my father.
	You can listen to him for yourself.
	Whoever has this job, are they going to convict Donald Trump?
	I'm the candidate in the race who has the experience with Donald Trump.
	I was the chief deputy in the attorney general's office.
	We sued the Trump administration over 100 times for the Muslim travel ban, for family separation at the border, for shenanigans with the census.
	So I know how to litigate with him.
	I also led the team that did the Trump Foundation case.
	So I'm ready to go wherever the facts take me and to inherit that case.
	And I think, you know, It'd be hard to argue with the fact that that'd be the most important, most high-profile case.
	And I've seen him up front and seen the lawlessness that he can do.
	And you believe it should happen?
	I believe we have to hold them accountable.
	So yeah, you are right.
	We've got two standards of justice, Harvey Weinstein, Jeffrey Epstein.
	Being a rich old white man has allowed you to fade accountability in Manhattan.
	That includes Trump and his children.
	So I've seen a pattern of lawlessness over 20 years.
	And so I'm inclined to believe all I see in the public domain and believe that there's a path forward there to make a case.
	Wow. I mean, sort of tells you everything you know.
	It's like Letitia James, who campaigned on, she's going to take them down, she's going to break them, they're going to do this.
	Without actually having seen anything, it didn't matter.
	But that's what happens in New York.
	Apparently, I'm one of those children who they've also gone after, and gone after me financially and otherwise.
	So if you think for one second, guys, that this stops with Trump, you know what?
	They can take out Trump and everything will go back to normal.
	You have not been watching.
	You have not been paying attention.
	If they are able and willing to go after a guy like Donald Trump with his platform, with his ability to fight, with his base, there is literally no one they won't go after.
	They will go out and take out anyone who stands in the way of their power grab.
	Bragg is a leftist hack.
	He sees the job as Manhattan District Attorney as defending Joe Biden's policies.
	It has nothing to do with keeping the city safe.
	Bragg downgrades the majority of felonies to misdemeanors.
	He releases the criminals back into the streets.
	You saw what happened to the illegals that beat up the cops in the streets of New York.
	They're immediately released.
	It's pretty ironic considering that in this case, he's trying to do the opposite.
	He's trying to turn something that at worst, at worst, was always looked at, always looked at as a misdemeanor.
	Into a felony. They've changed the stature of limitations.
	Multiple agencies in New York, both federal and statewide, declined to prosecute this case.
	But once Brad got in there, even though he turned it down the first time, he's coming back.
	Okay? Imagine that.
	They're changing the laws to be able to go after one man.
	That is not the stuff you hear about in republics, or democracies, or...
	You know, the things they like to talk about.
	That's the stuff of fascism.
	To be clear, everyone understands that this case is a joke.
	The New York Times ran an editorial calling it a legal embarrassment.
	Just so we're clear, that is the New York Times.
	This is not a conservative outlet.
	This is not someone who likes Donald Trump.
	If the New York Times, like Bolshevik left New York Times, is calling it a legal embarrassment...
	What do you think that actually means?
	It's probably worse. Guys, even the Washington Post, the Jeff Bezos Amazon-owned Washington Post wrote that the prosecution left some legal experts scratching their heads as they describe it as an unusual case.
	That's a polite way of saying it's a bullshit case, folks.
	If you've lost, again, the New York Times and the Amazon Washington Post, you have a serious trouble.
	But that doesn't matter. Because in New York, you're not going to get a fair trial.
	You understand that. They know that.
	They don't care. Democracy, freedom, law and order.
	They think it's a soundbite for them.
	They joke about it at cocktail parties while they laugh about getting their wins however they can.
	And remember, folks, all of this is based on a dubious legal theory.
	Bragg says that the alleged bookkeeping errors were made in furtherance of another crime.
	But this other crime was neither stated by Bragg himself or included in the actual indictment against my father.
	So it's like... How do you do that?
	It's in furtherance of another crime.
	We're just not going to even tell you what that is.
	It'll be our little secret.
	So the charging of felonies rests on Bragg's word alone.
	Furthermore, you can tell there's no crime here because the DOJ, Joe Biden's DOJ, the FEC, Joe Biden's FEC, And Bragg's Democrat predecessor, Cy Vance, all declined to bring these very same charges because they too understood just how weak it actually is.
	The star witness in this case is none other than Michael Cohen.
	Look at how he describes himself.
	You know, we have to be concerned about Michael Cohen.
	He's a convicted perjurer.
	He's a convicted liar.
	I mean, he has a point.
	He is. He's perjured himself over and over again.
	He perjured himself in the Letitia James case.
	He lied before Congress.
	He went to jail for these things.
	But that's their star witness.
	And I guess Dormy Daniels, a porn star.
	This is where we are, folks.
	For once there, Michael Cohen actually told the truth.
	He is a felon, a convicted perjurer, and a disbarred attorney.
	That's who Alvin Bragg is depending on.
	And that's before I even get to the judge.
	This judge is a Biden donor.
	And has a massive, massive conflict of interest.
	His daughter worked for Kamala Harris' campaign and literally profits from the trial.
	She's a political consultant that helps Democrats like Adam Schiff raise money off of all the lawfare.
	That's her job. So if this judge says, you know what, this case is meritless, his daughter loses a lot of money, like millions of dollars.
	Now, when we try to get him to recuse because of these conflicts, no way!
	And an appellate division in New York won't let you do anything about it because, obviously, we're living in the People's Republic of New York, a communist stronghold in America.
	A retired judge, probably not a Republican, literally admitted this on CNN of all places.
	Watch for yourselves. work with many, many high-profile Democratic candidates.
	She works on their social media.
	They put out a post. She, as an owner, gets a percentage of those contributions.
	So there is a statute in New York which says a judge must disqualify himself if a person known by the judge be within the sixth degree of relationship and a daughter is the first degree has an interest that could be substantially affected by the outcome of the proceeding.
	So the question here is Is this daughter likely to profit, to benefit from the outcome of this proceeding?
	And you have to understand, it's not actual conduct that's worrisome.
	It's the appearance, the appearance to a reasonable person that this judge cannot be fair and impartial given that relationship.
	So ordinarily, I would think that a benefit financially would be to a spouse because they share the income.
	This is an independent adult daughter.
	They don't share income. But according to this statute, the judge must recuse if she would substantially benefit from the outcome.
	Just so we're clear, right?
	This is a New York law.
	This isn't like ethics, like, hey, there's an appearance of impropriety.
	Maybe we should just do that because that would be the right thing to do.
	No, no, no. There's a law in place.
	That's clearly being violated.
	Our lawyers have obviously pointed that out.
	And it does not matter.
	Because again, the rule of law is a joke to these Democrats if they can weaponize that law against their political opponents.
	This judge is corrupt beyond belief.
	Today, if you guys want to get really pissed off, this one's a lot.
	Today, he even said that my father will have to miss my younger brother's, Barron's, high school graduation for this trial or risk going to jail.
	They won't give him one day off.
	The judge takes like all Wednesdays off, right?
	But they won't give my father one day off to watch his youngest child graduate high school.
	Okay? Just so we're clear, these people are not human.
	They will do whatever they can.
	Okay? That one I take personal umbrage with as the father of five young kids seems like a big one, and these people couldn't care less.
	But I hope that everyone watching understands just what's going on.
	By the way, Joe Biden is directly implicated in this prosecution.
	The prosecutor leading the case for Bragg is Matthew Colangelo.
	Colangelo is a lifelong Democrat activist who is a senior political appointee for both Obama and the Biden administrations.
	He was the number three at the Biden DOJ. Biden and the Democrats are focused on using the courts to target their political opponent instead of targeting adversaries like, I don't know, Iran, who are watching idiots like Joe Biden, the weakness that we exude as a country, the incompetence The focus on like the 4,672 genders rather than, I don't know, like winning wars and like taking care of Americans.
	That's what they're focused on.
	The attack from Iran on Israel this weekend was enabled by Joe Biden, by his weakness.
	He has made Iran rich.
	He has given them money.
	Remember when the worst thing you feared was maybe a mean tweet in the morning?
	Now we have Iran launching drone strikes directly at Israel.
	Under Joe Biden, Iran's oil experts have more than doubled.
	We're helping them fund this war.
	We're helping them fund the attacks on the Allies.
	We had them almost broke.
	And almost exactly one month before Iran's attack on Israel, Biden freed up $10 billion.
	Think about that. $10 billion in frozen funds for Iran.
	Now, the experts, the morons in the mainstream media...
	No, no, no! It's earmarked for humanitarian aid!
	They'll tell you that all day long because they're too incompetent to understand that money is fungible.
	Guess what? The money that was previously earmarked for humanitarian aid can now go make bomb vests for sociopaths to terrorize innocent people, women and children, in the streets.
	Our media won't talk about these things.
	They won't tell you these things.
	They won't remind you that we were signing peace deals in the Middle East.
	But hopefully real Americans remember and understand what is and what could have been.
	Because we have a chance to redo that again in November.
	Joe Biden helps the terrorists in Tehran get rich.
	And his only form of deterrence is saying, don't.
	Don't. Mr. President, what is your message to Iran in this moment?
	Don't. Our American personnel...
	Oh, don't.
	Oh, it's wonderful. Honestly, if you're a predator, if you're a dictator, and you see Joe Biden get lost, you know, fall on his ice cream cone on a daily basis...
	You probably say, I don't know.
	Maybe I'll pounce.
	Maybe I'll strike. Like predators have done for millennia.
	Biden says don't.
	And our enemies do.
	Because none of them are afraid of the weak man who spends all of his time at the beach.
	By the way, a story we covered last week, why are we still funding NPR? You know, National Public Radio, it's supposed to be very unbiased, not at all political.
	Every single year, the federal government spends over $100 million supporting NPR. This is a massive investment of taxpayer dollars in Democrat Party propaganda.
	Just look at the CEO of NPR and who they are.
	Her name is Catherine Marr.
	Catherine doesn't even hide the fact that she's a Democrat propagandist.
	In 2020, she tweeted a picture of her wearing a Joe Biden hat and said she was helping him get out the vote.
	She even defends rioting.
	She wrote during the 2020 riots, I mean, sure, looting is counterproductive,
	but it's hard to be mad about protests not prioritizing the private property
	of a system of oppression founded on treating people's ancestors as private property.
	My eyes are rolling into the back of my head, folks.
	This is insane.
	Katherine Maher recently defended NPR after a senior editor that revealed
	that the outlet purposefully buried the Hunter Biden laptop story,
	because of course they did, because they were worried it would hurt
	Joe Biden's re-election chances or election chances.
	Again, we are paying for this with our own tax dollars, and $100 million is not insignificant.
	Imagine what that could do in your own hometown.
	NPR is much more than just Democratic Party propaganda.
	It's also just run-of-the-mill batshit left-wing conspiracy insanity.
	NPR has published a guide on how to decolonize your bookshelf.
	Tell me I'm in the Truman Show, folks.
	Please, will someone in the comments just blink three times if this is all one big joke and I'm being punked on a daily basis.
	How to decolonize your bookshelf?
	They've written about white tears.
	They've even warned people that getting weighed by your doctor, that's fat phobia, folks.
	If you're a fat pig, it's not healthy.
	That's what your doctor's there to tell you.
	You can actually do something about these things, folks.
	You don't have to worry about being phobic of something.
	One of the ists doesn't matter.
	We want to get you healthy, but watch NPR yourself.
	It is your right to decline to be weighed.
	And so that you certainly can decline when you go.
	The other thing is to let your provider know that you would like medical care from a health at every
	size perspective and that you would not want to discuss weight or weight management at your visit
	that you have the right to ask for that. Yeah you know what else is based on weight? Like
	I don't know medicinal dosages but you know don't tell them.
	Don't tell them. You can be 400 pounds.
	You tell them you're 150. I'm sure it'll go great.
	What could possibly go wrong?
	Again, your tax dollars are funding this.
	Why? Because congressional Republicans need to prioritize putting an end to this government-subsidized propaganda.
	But they won't.
	We need to be fighting the same game.
	If this was Republican propaganda, I can assure you the Democrats would be in line, they would be in sync, and they would actually do something about these things.
	And meanwhile, guys, the New York Times actually ran an honest story this weekend.
	I know! I know.
	It's shocking. It was an op-end from my friend, Ohio Senator J.D. Vant.
	J.D. wrote that the math on Ukraine does not add up.
	That shouldn't surprise anyone, but here's just one example.
	Ukraine says they need 4 million artillery shells a year.
	But we can only produce 360,000 a year.
	Less than one-tenth of what Ukraine actually says it needs.
	We produce one-tenth of what they say it needs.
	What about our needs?
	What if something happens to us or one of our other allies?
	The push for Ukraine aid misses the reality that there's very little we can do to change the reality of the war.
	If we don't do something about this right now, all we're doing is perpetuating death.
	But that seems to be just fine with the Washington, D.C. swamp, with the Lindsey Graham's of the world, and others.
	The average Ukrainian soldier is now roughly 43 years old.
	It's like my age, almost.
	I mean, I'm a little bit older, but I won't admit that.
	Ukraine can't win this war.
	All our aid accomplishes is prolonging the war and causing more senseless death.
	And if you've seen some of the videos that I have, you know that a lot of these guys aren't thrilled about having to fight this thing anymore.
	Finally, folks, the illegals are now landing on American beaches.
	Look at this video out of California showing a boat almost slamming into a surfer and then a massive group of illegal immigrants just running off.
	Just notice there also happens to be like a car waiting for them.
	This is happening in America daily.
	An invasion. Nothing more, nothing less.
	Just an invasion, and we're allowing it to happen each and every day.
	Under Joe Biden, this country is becoming a punchline, and there's no signs that it's getting any better.
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	And I'm also going to play you guys a video statement my father just released, talking about the madness, talking about the lawfare.
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	That's real easy. And so guys, right before I get to Chris, although I see a lot of stuff going on in the questions, but we'll probably, maybe with Chris on here, we'll just take some of the questions throughout.
	So we can get to work and talk about that.
	If you guys have stuff on the lawfare, hit me up here in the chat.
	I think we can have some fun with that.
	But I wanted to make sure I showed you a video, a video statement that my father's campaign just released, talking about all of the lawfare, talking about the insanity of what's going on.
	Obviously, I went into the details above, but it's so much worse.
	What's even worse... Perhaps is that no one in the media, like they literally, the media is just taking the Democrat talking points on all, and it shouldn't surprise you, right?
	But they're just taking, they're not even like listening to the logical responses.
	They're not even talking about like the New York Times and the Washington Post themselves calling it out.
	They are running the DNC soundbites.
	They're talking about those on the show as though it's the gospel, not just Democrat talking points.
	They refuse to talk about like, oh, I don't know, randomly changing laws,
	changing stature of limitations to be able to create a case that didn't otherwise exist.
	They won't talk about the four other agencies that refused to prosecute that weren't exactly Trump-supporting people.
	They won't even talk about it.
	So the people who are out there watching the mainstream news, and even they are saying, man, this is a little bit crazy, they don't even get to see the other half of the story.
	So check out this clip, and we'll be back with Chris Pawlowski in a few moments.
	a very dangerous threshold.
	In the middle of a presidential election, right smack in the middle, crooked Joe Biden and his entire corrupt party are staging a show trial of their leading political opponent, me.
	It's totally crooked.
	It's totally corrupt. It's never been done before.
	In a completely illegitimate act of election interference, they're trying to jail their opposition as if they were Stalinist Russian or Communist Chinese or Castro's Cuba or Socialist Venezuela.
	As you witness this Biden trial, I ask all Americans to remember that this is not just about me.
	This is about our country, and this is about you.
	Whether you're a Republican, Democrat, or Independent, we should all be horrified by the corruption of the system of justice.
	What's taking place in our country has never happened before.
	They go after Biden's political opponent because he can't do it.
	He's weak. He's ineffective.
	He's totally out of it.
	He can't walk off a stage from a speech, and he can't put two sentences together.
	So how do you do it?
	Go after his opponent.
	This is Biden attacking democracy, a continuation of the greatest witch hunt of all time.
	From Russia, Russia, Russia, you know how that ended.
	No problem. To Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, impeachment hoax number one, impeachment hoax number two, and so many more.
	The same group of thugs and their fake news allies have been trying to lie, cheat, and steal their way back into power.
	They want to stay in power.
	They want to get back in power.
	The moment they lost in 2016, it all began.
	They said, we're never going to let that happen again.
	And I'll tell you what, if we lose this election, you may never have another election.
	Well, guys, so you saw that.
	You understand what's going on.
	They're trying to make sure to keep him off the campaign trail for the coming months.
	You know, it's going to be four or five days a week in New York City.
	Just a Bolshevik shit show.
	But, you know, that's... What we should unfortunately expect from these people at this point.
	That's why we're fighting back. That's why free speech and that ability to do is so important, which is why I'm so psyched to have Chris Pawlowski in here.
	We've known each other for quite a while.
	I think I was probably the second sort of bigger account kind of verified user after Dan Bongino on Rumble?
	Yeah. Second or third?
	You were the third...
	The third major account that came to Rumble.
	Third person to actually believe in what we're doing.
	It was Devin that came in.
	I got a phone call in the middle of summer from Congressman Devin Nunes at the time.
	He was a ranking member of the House Intel Committee.
	And then a month and a half later, we had Dan Bongino come on.
	And that kind of opened the floodgates.
	I don't think a lot of people knew that Devin was the first person to come on in the summer, but then when Dan came on, a lot of people found out, and you were the guy right after him to come on.
	Yeah, basically, it was like when they threw my father off Twitter, sort of end of the presidency thing, I basically was like, wow, at the time, it was like five million people.
	I was like, I could just disappear like that, and Dan reached out and was like, hey, you should meet with Chris.
	We literally got together the next day, and I was like, yep, I'm on, let's go.
	Yeah, I think it happened really fast.
	Like, you came on, what was it, maybe February?
	Or, like, weeks after.
	Yeah, right after. Right after we connected, and then you were on Rumble, and now I think you're one of the largest accounts on Rumble that there are.
	We try to have some fun with it.
	And again, it's always, for me, a big part of it is actually just sort of staying in tune with, you know, our people.
	You've got to cater to independence and stuff like that, but like, you know, If I read the feed, you know, once you get through some of the trolls, you know, there's some pretty good stuff.
	You actually have a pretty good understanding of where that base really is.
	So, you know, for me, it's a lot of fun.
	But, hey, you rushed here from Vegas.
	We got to have some fun before we get into, like, the politics of all, you know, it's like, enough.
	It's like, you know, I'm sitting here having fun and, like, my dad's, like, on trial for 700 years in prison.
	I'm like, ah, you know, at this point, it's just another Monday, you know, that's become normal.
	But, Let's talk slap boxing.
	Power slap. You guys started that, and man, even the platforms that, let's say, censor the crap out of us, man, they can't get away from that one.
	It just shows up in there. It's done incredibly.
	Yeah. Yeah, so I just got back from Vegas.
	I jumped on a 7 a.m.
	flight to get over here. Put in the chat.
	Put ones in the chat if you are familiar with Power Slap or if you've seen the Slap events on social media or on Rumble.
	Be very curious. One's in the chat if you've seen it.
	Two's in the chat if you haven't.
	But yeah, we had our big Slap event.
	I think the biggest one we've had was the one in February.
	A lot of ones. Look at that.
	A lot of ones. It's unanimous.
	I don't know what three is, but...
	It's one of those sports now that I think has gone extremely viral.
	It's kind of built off of the social influencers.
	All the influencers are at these events.
	I can't believe I haven't actually made it out there yet.
	You have to come. Living in Florida, it's actually a pain in the ass to get to Vegas.
	I don't know why. There's no flights.
	There's no flights. I don't know why.
	It's almost like they're like, we're Florida, that's Vegas.
	They don't want to compete or something.
	But New York, when I lived up there, I was like, you can get to Vegas.
	There's 17 options throughout the day.
	You go whenever you want, you're back. Florida, it's hard.
	You almost have to connect. I have to get to Miami, which is about two hours away from Palm Beach.
	Yeah, it's impossible to find Vegas, Florida flights.
	But this sport has attracted people.
	Tom Brady was at the...
	Not the one on this weekend, the one prior to that.
	This last weekend, we had Theo Vaughn.
	Vivek Ramaswamy came out to it as well.
	We had all kinds of different influencers.
	And they're posting because it's so impactful.
	It happens so fast.
	It's the perfect medium for 2024, right?
	It's a... You know, here's a 30-second clip that just is wild, and it's like, that's about all the attention span we have at this point, I think, in many cases.
	But, I mean, it's so perfect for the time, right?
	Obviously, you can build up a storyline around it, you can create the rivalries, you can...
	But, I mean, in its infancy, you already have that kind of mega attention, which is pretty amazing.
	Yeah, it really caters to that TikTok, to Instagram, that short, like, 30-second clip that everybody wants to see.
	This happens within seconds, really, at the end of the day.
	And it's a shock factor in a lot of ways, right?
	Like, when you're watching the UFC, there's some good fights, but that shock factor could take a couple rounds to actually happen.
	And sometimes not at all.
	I've been to a UFC event, and again...
	I love them, and that's the nature of fighting.
	But sometimes it's like, you'll get one where it's like, they all sort of go to a decision in the end.
	There's not the decisive... I guess UFC 300 had a couple pretty decisive knockouts.
	UFC 300 was... Yeah, and all of my friends...
	Dude, I had like 15 friends like, you know, hey, you coming out?
	I'm like... I had family commitments and all this craziness in New York.
	I was like, I couldn't do it, but that was one that was rough to miss.
	Yeah, that was an unbelievable event.
	I think on the Joe Rogan meme where he was like, you know, on the table.
	I'm in the background of that meme that's just standing there.
	Like, it shocked myself, right?
	It's pretty... It was just a...
	It was an unbelievable weekend.
	Slapped it really well. UFC really pulled out a great card as well.
	So talk about that a little bit.
	Like, obviously Dana sort of got involved with Slapped.
	You know, obviously a very close friend of myself.
	And, you know, my father just...
	Honestly, maybe other than yourself, like sort of one of the few sort of unapologetic CEOs out there.
	And I think, but I actually think it's working.
	Like when you see the insanity of what's going on in corporate America today, like it's, at least for me, like really refreshing to see some, I don't care.
	Like, I'm going to do what's right.
	I understand my fan base.
	I know what they, you know, we're going to go.
	Yeah, he's the best sports president any sports league's ever seen, in my opinion.
	Not even quite. Hands down.
	I don't understand how, like, Roger Goodell still has a job.
	It's like he has photos of, like, you know, I don't know, some of these owners doing some unbecoming things because it's like it's hard to believe that he still remains that.
	They keep giving him a raise as he's making more money than the teams.
	It's lunacy to me, but hey, what do I know?
	Yeah, Dana's phenomenal.
	And like, you know, a lot of people were talking about how Slap wasn't going to survive after its first year.
	And now you saw the chat.
	Every single person in the chat has seen Slap.
	Yeah, they're still going. I think I've seen two twos, but that could be...
	I think the chat...
	Oh, did we freeze up?
	Yeah. Just got to click, scroll it down.
	But yeah, everyone's seen it.
	It's super popular. You have people all the way from Travis Scott to Tom Brady to Charles Barkley.
	You have the influencers, the streamers that are coming out to the events as well.
	So it's hitting all different segments of the market.
	Everyone knows it's there. And it's been a huge success.
	Don't bet against Dana White, ever.
	Yeah, you'd be foolish to bet against Dana White.
	That's a fact.
	You got down here now.
	Tell me what's going on. Rumble, you know, has been unique.
	I mean, even, you know, say what you want.
	I like what Elon's doing and everything like that.
	But like Rumble's been consistently the only actual...
	Like, 100% all-in free speech platform.
	Others, it's like, well, you're not allowed to say that.
	Okay, because it's more important for us to be in that market, even if we're being censored, all of that.
	You guys have taken the approach like, it's all or nothing.
	If they throw us out of a market, that's okay.
	Like, we would rather be just true to our word.
	Yeah. Talk about that.
	We're definitely the tip of the spear when it comes to it.
	When a country comes to us, we don't tiptoe around certain things.
	We don't comply with requests that don't violate our terms of service.
	We've done that countless times, whether it's been in France or whether it's been in Brazil.
	I think Elon is in a big fight now with Brazil, but he still hasn't unbanned any of those craters yet.
	So he hasn't really... He said he was, but he hasn't done it yet.
	Take people through that, because the whole thing's crazy.
	In Brazil, it's a little different.
	I think Eduardo Bolsonaro, who's the son of the former president, sort of like me, but he's also one of the most popular congressmen in that country.
	I think he was on the second Triggered podcast.
	He's a good friend of mine, a personal friend.
	We hang out. And what's going on there is almost like what's going on here almost advanced.
	You know, the banning of free speech.
	Over there, you have the Chief Justice of their Supreme Court basically acts like a unilateral thing.
	Like, they can just ban people.
	They can arrest people. It's almost like a dictatorship in disguise under the guise of the court system.
	Like, they have more power than the actual president of the country.
	When you look at a court system, someone's supposed to bring something to the courts, and the courts are supposed to decide on that, and then ultimately goes through levels of courts until you get to a Supreme Court, and they're supposed to decide on it.
	But what we're seeing in Brazil is someone just unilaterally just saying, hey, I don't like this.
	We're going to have to shut this down.
	Without someone actually bringing an order or bringing something to the court, it's happening unilaterally by the Supreme Court in Brazil.
	And they came to us, and they...
	They had their requests to remove craters off the platform.
	And ultimately what we decided to do was, in protest, is to basically shut off Brazil entirely.
	Because what they've done in the past is when you don't comply, they'll shut you off at the IP level, the telco level.
	That would affect, you know, they did it to Telegram.
	They've done it to a lot of different companies in the past when you don't comply with their orders.
	And we're an American company.
	We're not beholden to what China is going to tell us to do or what France is going to tell us to do or what Brazil is going to tell us to do.
	We're going to operate by U.S. law and we're going to operate here in the United States.
	And if someone else in some other country has a request or demand that doesn't have anything to do with our terms of service, then we're going to leave and protest.
	And that's... I think that's actually the best thing to do.
	So what is X and Twitter doing as it relates to all of this right now?
	I don't know how they have any jurisdiction over there.
	They're going to jail... Twitter!
	They've been complying for the last year, whereas when we got our first request in 2023, we were like, we're done.
	No more. We're not going to comply with your orders and stay in Brazil and shut off creators because you ask us to do so for no good reason.
	We don't even know your reason.
	That's just not going to happen.
	What they've done is they've been complying for a year, and I think last week Elon kind of just got to a certain point where he got fed up, and he said he's going to Not comply.
	And what does that mean?
	It means that he's going to unban...
	It should mean that he's going to unban the creators and then eventually the Supreme Court's just going to turn off Twitter.
	But he hasn't done that yet.
	He said he was going to do it a week ago.
	It hasn't happened. Will it happen?
	It might happen. Maybe it's just taking some time.
	I know you probably have employee issues there and things that you have to work through, but it hasn't happened yet.
	I think the best thing to do is to have all the platforms, whether it's Meta, whether it's X, whether it's YouTube, whether it's Truth, we all have to, in unison, Turn off the lights in Brazil.
	Is that realistic?
	I agree with you.
	If we all did that, we'd actually accomplish something.
	I don't give up any platform, but I'm on Meta.
	I used to have posts, like a great post would get 500,000 plus likes.
	If I hit 150,000 now, it's a lot.
	My average post is getting 30 to 50 after 48 hours.
	I knew a post was good if I hit 100,000 in the first hour.
	Now, if I hit 100,000 in 48 hours, it's like, I guess that was good.
	I mean, it's, let's call it 20% of what it always is.
	I know that's going on.
	You know, I don't even bother doing, like, you know, Facebook videos all that much anymore because it was like, it wasn't, you know, even the monetization side of that, it was like, it's not worth the time and headache.
	It's getting so few views, you know, and I don't know, maybe that's a political year, maybe it is whatever, but it doesn't seem like they have any interest in my...
	Side of the story. And so how does that happen?
	Because I don't see them ever actually putting that front together.
	Yeah, so when it comes to, like, there's two paths that can happen here, really.
	One is that he's going to not comply, or Rumble's not going to comply, and he's going to turn off our IPs, and we're never going to have access until we pay all the fines or whatnot.
	And that's going to happen pretty fast, because we saw with Telegram, it happened overnight.
	The other thing that could happen, the other path, which I think is the better path, Everyone did this.
	They were willing to do it for net neutrality.
	If you remember back, they were going to have a lights-out day where they're going to shut down services for a whole 24 hours for net neutrality.
	Why not for these crazy orders that we don't even know what they're for.
	We don't even know what violations they are.
	This is completely inappropriate on all levels.
	If freedom of expression is a human right, why not defend freedom of expression, the human right that everyone deserves, according to the United Nations, and shut off for a week or a day or two days or permanently, just shut off in protest in that country.
	If that happens, if they lose all their services in Brazil, the people will not stand for that in Brazil.
	But won't Facebook just be like, great, we've got more for us.
	Like, we'll keep our one-way messaging.
	We'll make our money on ads.
	Who cares about free speech?
	Like, it's a joke. If they cared about free speech, they wouldn't ban me every time I posted, you know, a basic...
	You need to get more people in on it and more people to do that.
	And I think the appetite's there if someone like Elon assembled that.
	I think Elon has the capability of assembling, like, a mass lights out.
	Can you call Zuckerberg? Yeah.
	Would he take your call and be like, hey, listen, let's at least...
	I mean... I'd love to see it because it's interesting.
	You see him doing the fighting thing and he's lifting weights now.
	It's sort of an interesting...
	It feels like, wait a minute, maybe he's not totally bought into the leftist bullshit.
	Now, again, Facebook or Meta itself, by the way, he could maybe get totally red-pilled and I don't know that it changes anything.
	There's 50,000 employees underneath him that are just full-on communists.
	I don't know that you could actually effectuate anything.
	It'd be interesting to see, but it is sort of interesting.
	It feels like I mean, I saw something.
	He was out hunting, and then he was like, I'm like, wait a minute.
	Again, maybe it's all an act.
	I don't know. There's a chance, but it feels like maybe there's a moment where it's like, okay, this has gone too far.
	The insanity is, I'd love to give him the benefit of the doubt, but man, I can't do that based on what I see with my own eyes.
	I did have an interaction with him on Saturday night when I saw him at the UFC. You're kind of seeing that across the board though, not just with Mark Zuckerberg, but everybody.
	Everybody in my life in general is kind of waking up to all this type of censorship that's happening.
	It's crossing a line for so many people.
	The Brazil thing is just one example, but it's happening in Canada.
	Talk about the bill.
	I know we spoke about it earlier last week, but there's a bill in Canada, guys, that literally will jail people for potential hate speech.
	Your own lawyers have been like, you'd literally have to be a political refugee if this happened just because of what you're doing.
	We're laughing because it's a clown show, but it's real.
	They would totally do this if they could.
	Trudeau is such a...
	Bitch! It's insane, though.
	Talk people through the bill, just so you understand.
	Because remember, we're like, ah, it's only going on in third world countries.
	No, it's not. This is a very consistent, it's a unified front.
	What's happening in Brazil is the same as what's happening in Ireland, is the same as what's happening in Europe, is the same as what's happening here.
	And, like, Canada's leading, you know, the crazy train faster than anyone.
	Talk about the specifics of this bill, what it's called, so people can understand just how real these threats actually are.
	Yeah, so this bill, like, in its first form is just...
	Like, whoa. What's it called?
	I think it's Bill 63.
	I get so many confused.
	Bill C11. There's a hundred bills that I'm looking at.
	But this latest bill is, like, it's a real concern.
	So much so that, like, I've openly spoken about it, and I usually don't get involved in speaking about things.
	But this bill is, like, a major concern for Canada.
	It's essentially, like, it...
	The way it's written right now, it could be interpreted that there's, like, pre-crimes for hate speech.
	Like, if someone thinks that you're going to do hate speech.
	They did a movie about the Adjustment Bureau.
	Like, they read your head and saw a crime potentially happen in the future, and they just threw you in jail preemptively for it.
	I mean, you don't even have to do it, right?
	If they think you may be a threat to this, they can throw you in jail.
	This is, like, not... When you say hate speech, it's not actual hate speech.
	This would be basic conservative groupthink at this point.
	What is hate speech? I don't know.
	What is that? Does it mean I dislike somebody or I don't like what they're doing?
	I have a feeling the arbiters of this bill will also...
	Probably be leftist insane people.
	So, you know, if you can be a trans-revolutionary shooting up, you know, a Christian school, then that's probably fine because, you know, you're entitled to do that as the most protected class in society these days.
	But I imagine that would include even basic conservative thought, like there's two genders, or that would be hate speech.
	Possibly. It could be whatever someone wants it to be.
	That's why the word hate speech as a generality is just wrong to use on any term because you can't really define it.
	It can mean dislike. It can mean so many different things to so many different people.
	But this kind of happened in Europe.
	I think it was Ireland. I'm not sure if it was Ireland.
	I can't remember correctly.
	But apparently it's getting abused so much by all sides of the aisle that they can't handle it.
	And the police are saying, we can't even deal with it.
	Well, the whole thing's... But yeah, Ireland, they wanted to...
	I think they wanted to threaten, like, Conor McGregor because he was like...
	They wanted to make it a jailable offense to say Irish lives matter because I guess they've dealt with their own sort of invasion of, like, you know, migrants and stuff like that.
	And so if you say Irish lives matter, like, you know, I don't know.
	People who live in Ireland, those are Irish lives.
	Like, that is hate speech.
	Like, I mean, these are, but that's what I'm saying.
	Like, you know, even prior to COVID, like you thought, you know, Ireland, the UK, you know, America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand.
	Like, you're like, these are, you know, the last bastions of freedom.
	You know, most of Europe got pretty socialized decades ago.
	But, you know, we thought we were all kind of the same.
	Turns out that was a gross misrepresentation.
	We're not. Most of those countries, including the US, were so much further along that path towards communism, controlled speech.
	It's really scary.
	Yeah, it is. And, you know, this is where I've gotten, like, a deep appreciation for America.
	It's, like, the last place that has, like, somewhat of, this is now arguable, a judicial system that will defend freedom of speech.
	Like, eh. If you're going to be a political refugee, Chris, do not come through the conventional channels because they'll just throw you in the gulags.
	What you have to do, fly to Tijuana, get a backpack, come across the border, they'll give you a credit card, they'll give you an Obama phone, you can have everything.
	You're just perfect. That's the way to do it.
	Don't do it because you started a great business and you employ thousands of people and you're good for the economy.
	That's not enough. We need people who are incompetent, people who will add nothing.
	They can get in so that we have your plan.
	We'll get you there. That's how you're going to have to do it.
	Yeah, no, it's getting crazy.
	It's crazier in Canada, that's for sure, with the way things are going.
	But there's even penalties for you, corporate-wise, to be there.
	I mean, haven't you gotten all sorts of, just because of what you're doing and the nature of what you're doing?
	I mean, they're sort of coming after you in ways, and if you...
	Not yet. These bills that are coming down the pipe are definitely going to put us in that lane.
	And hopefully they're not going to be approved and get to that certain...
	Usually the first iteration of the bill changes a lot before it gets the other one, but still, lots of stuff has been passed in Canada that's of concern in the last five years, and this one is just the tipping point.
	This is the one where you really just hope it doesn't happen, because that's going to change the fabric of society entirely.
	But, you know, there is an election coming up in Canada.
	It's supposed to happen by the end of 2025.
	It could happen earlier. Yeah, I've heard they wanted...
	It's sort of a different system.
	They can sort of accelerate.
	They can sort of pick a time when to do it so they can sort of take...
	The power party can have sort of the advantage.
	I guess there's ideas that they want to maybe do it sooner so they can sort of piggyback off the American election because they can use the outrage cycle to further their...
	No, I mean, but that's basically the theory, right?
	Very much so. It could be.
	And who knows what Trudeau is going to decide to do.
	But I don't know if there's any...
	At this point, I don't think there's an advantage of doing it next year or this year.
	I just think they're going to get dunked on and lose hard.
	I hope so. I spent a lot of time in Canada.
	I mean, I own part of a business in Canada.
	Now, I'm up in the Yukon, so it's a little different.
	The problem is there's no people. They're all conservative.
	But... But where's it coming from, right?
	I mean, when you even think of the big cities, I mean, like, I've spent a lot of time more on the west coast of Canada, though I dated a girl for four years who was from Ottawa, so I spent plenty of time there back, you know, that was 25 years ago, but even on the west coast, it's like Vancouver, more liberal city, but, you know, half of Vancouver is like Chinese immigrants.
	I can't imagine them voting for...
	What they escaped, right? I mean, no, it's just a fact of life.
	I mean, my friends there, they talk about sort of gentrification.
	They're getting displaced from their childhood homes because, you know, it's a very heavy Asian population that's been, you know, very welcomed and, you know, they're wealthy and creating businesses or whatever it may be.
	But I don't see them necessarily voting like a liberal.
	So you're sort of left with, you know, Toronto...
	Yeah, well, there's a real strong conservative population in Canada.
	It's actually the largest. On the popular vote, they win.
	They win the popular vote every time.
	The problem is you have the NDP and the Liberals.
	They combine to create a coalition that keeps them out of power.
	That's kind of the issue you have in Canada.
	But... Canada's like, their conservatives are real conservatives.
	You saw the truckers. Oh, yeah.
	They're passionate. Oh, by the way, the truckers across the board.
	I mean, obviously it started in Canada, but then they were going to do it here.
	I mean, that's like the most patriotic group of people feels like in the world right now.
	I mean, they're doing, you know, same thing with sort of, you know, I guess it's the truckers and the farmers in France with all the, you know, protests there.
	Like, those guys are the leading edge of, like, saying enough is enough.
	Yeah, and they really lead the way.
	And it's a lot bigger than the truckers, too.
	You can kind of see it blossomed into something so much larger.
	People are dancing in the streets, people coming out of their homes.
	You got to see how there is that 40%, 45% conservative population in Canada.
	And I really think that's going to tip a lot more in this next election because of what...
	I don't know anyone right now that is...
	I hope so. I was watching, you know, two things that were sort of notable because it was both sort of, you know, statements on the media.
	One, you know, they arrested some conservative journalists for asking one of the ministers, like, you know, basic questions.
	It wasn't like even just, but like, they showed up, they asked uncomfortable questions because it's an uncomfortable situation that they should be held into account.
	And like the rest of the media was just like...
	They're not even interested in the questions anymore.
	The Canadian media forget it.
	They're bought out. That's the CBC. That's Canadian state funded.
	It's not like America. It's very different.
	Well, the other one was, I saw the clip that went viral, which is, I guess, one of the conservative contenders for the next election.
	He's sitting there eating an apple.
	I think we did something on the show, didn't we?
	He's just eating an apple and the reporter's asking him these questions, but they're based on nothing.
	It's just not true.
	Where'd you get it? It was so funny because it took...
	Less than no effort for this guy just to totally beclown this reporter who just clearly wasn't accustomed to doing anything other than narrating the narrative.
	They just spit it out.
	They read what's on the prompter. They don't have to think about it.
	It doesn't have to be true. It doesn't matter.
	But when he was called out, it was just such a great example of just being like...
	It's all a lie. Yeah, and it is.
	I know exactly the clip you're talking about.
	It went so viral. That was Pierre Polivier.
	He's the leader of the Conservative Party right now in Canada.
	Yeah, that was classic.
	That was the way you've got to handle the media, though.
	Yeah, I bet there's a couple of guys that do that well here, like my dad.
	But so many of our people are too afraid to actually do that.
	And when you think of these things, I talked about it last week.
	Our media, they're not thought leaders.
	They're Ron Burgundy.
	They read what someone sticks on a teleprompter, and that's fine.
	It's all well and good, but they're not qualified to do that, and the people that are putting it in there are probably no more qualified than them.
	It's sort of a sad example, and yet it is something that we have to contend with because it is very real, and they still have a lot of power, and they're able to manipulate a lot, even if it's based on garbage.
	I always ask that question.
	Should we be engaging the media more, or should we be ignoring them more?
	What's your thoughts on that?
	Chat, what's your opinion?
	What do you guys think? One's if you think we should engage the media more, and two, if you think we should ignore the corporate media.
	I can go both ways, because, you know, so much of it's about, like, and honestly, I do it even, like, with Fox.
	Like, it's almost unwatchable for me at this point, you know what I mean?
	Now, I've been banned for, like, 18 months on Fox, because, you know, I call Paul Ryan a, you know, a pussy and a cuck, which is 100% accurate, but, you know, he's on their board, and therefore, you know, I can't speak.
	It was, they dropped me, like, five minutes before one show, because I was going to speak on, like, the day my father was first indicted.
	Yeah. A lot of twos.
	They want us to ignore.
	See, and this is the part that is interesting because, like, sometimes I think it's time for me to go and fight, like, to go into corporate media and go in their ground and show people what we actually believe in because I think most people would agree with it.
	A lot more twos. Well, one person said, fight but with class.
	The problem is this. You're not shown that same respect back, right?
	They lie about it. I was guilty of Russian treason, a crime punishable by death.
	That was a fact, according to them, for three years.
	When I was part of three of the big, you know, the walls are closing in, it's a bombshell, we finally got them.
	They didn't even retract it when it was totally disproven as a lie, like, just fact.
	So, you know, this whole notion of, like, You know, honestly, the fight back but with class, which means, like, fight back with your hands tied behind your back.
	Don't do what needs to be done.
	Don't play the game that they're playing.
	And I think, honestly, I think that's why we lose.
	Because we do have this thing.
	Like, there's decorum. Like, they laugh about decorum.
	They'll talk about it. Like, we must be doing it.
	You know, like, it's all bullshit for them.
	And so that is interesting.
	I think both sort of work.
	Because, you know, I think...
	What they do really well, or what they have in the past, you know, they'll go out there and, you know, there'll be an issue.
	And they'll find the one, like, lunatic fringe guy.
	And then they highlight, like, this is the face of the movement.
	And it's like, no, that's exactly the opposite.
	It's not. It's what you want it to be.
	And you'll paint that picture. So maybe, you know, you need a couple people that are capable of, like, sort of fighting that game.
	You know, everyone thinks they're going to be great on TV. Then the lights go on.
	It's sort of like, you know, Mike Tyson, right?
	Everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the face.
	It's a little different. You know, it's not for everyone.
	And that's fine. But you're right.
	I mean, it is about views. It is about clicks.
	People just stop watching. Like, I don't even watch most of the, you know, I certainly don't watch Fox News anymore because it's like, it's all part of the same regime.
	You know, like, now they're kind of back a little bit Trumpy because it's worthy for clicks.
	But, you know, they spent two years giving Ron DeSantis a lap dance.
	And I was like, you know, they just, they want to control Of who that person is.
	They want to be able to pick up the phone and have that person answer to them, even if it's the President of the United States.
	I didn't appreciate that prior to building Rumble and now owning Rumble.
	I didn't really appreciate how much the corporate media puts the finger on the scale for what they want.
	They're the game.
	They're playing the game. Whereas I didn't really quite appreciate that five years ago as much as I do now.
	I'm curious to see what you guys think.
	Did you know it was as bad as it is?
	I mean, I used the DeSantis thing, not because it's whatever, like, you know, but it was so clear, you know, Fox, they wanted him to be president, and everything was like, you know, they took the memes, and they did this.
	I knew it was sort of nonsense. I had spent so much time with him, you know, in, like, 18, helping him get elected the first time, and then, you know, so I knew who the guy was, and I was seeing, like, man, you get, like, a five-second clip.
	You make someone look like a hero. People are like, aren't you worried, Don?
	Aren't you worried about DeSantis? I go...
	Just wait. Like, what do you mean?
	Well, like, eventually, like, when you're running for president, like, you gotta go long form, right?
	It can't be a clip put together by, you know, a great team of social media experts who'll take you dunking on some local reporter five seconds and they'll throw the, you know, the Dr.
	Gray music on in the background, put the sunglasses on and make you smoke a blunt.
	Like, you actually gotta do it for a while.
	And that's when people were like, oh, shit.
	And so it was different, but that...
	I think a lot of that was just literally a creation of the mainstream media.
	They wanted that. They understood, you know, Rupert Murdoch or whoever was in charge wanted that to be the guy.
	So they put all those resources behind it for two years.
	It was like, you know, one of the greatest sort of free advertising campaigns in the world.
	But in the end, you got to stand on that stage for more than 10, 15 seconds.
	And that's when it sort of fell apart. It's been amazing to watch, just the whole machine, how it works and how it moves and what it does.
	This is why I think things like Truth, which is such a great moment right now that Truth Social went public.
	We'll talk about that. So I'm on the board, so I'm not allowed to say anything, but I'd love to hear.
	Well, I know, listen, Rumble.
	By the way, Rumble Cloud, you guys go check that out.
	Like if you guys are on Amazon, if you guys have like Amazon Cloud Services or Microsoft or one of these, like that's where all of those companies get their revenue.
	They are then taking that revenue.
	It's not about buying your toothbrush there.
	You can go to Public Square for that, so you don't have to give them anything.
	But so much of these companies, their cloud services are how they're making their money, which they're then literally taking your money for your business, probably your data, giving it, and then donating back to lunatic causes on the left.
	Talk a little bit about the Rumble Cloud, and then I want to get into what you're doing actually combating the media stuff, but I just sort of went on a tangent there.
	Yeah. No, like, first off, like, we're finally having that asset class, that parallel economy with companies in the early stages of these companies that have, that can actually, are creating a whole new asset class.
	You got Public Square, you got DJT, which is Truth Social, and you got Rumble.
	And, you know, a lot of them are in the early stages.
	We're all kind of in the early stages, but we're all building great products, and now DJT has the ability to do amazing things with...
	The amount of capital that you guys raised and the valuations that you guys have, you can really push forward.
	But one of the things that we've done is, it's one thing to build the video platform to go and fight against corporate media, and it's very needed, but you can't do it if you're running on top of Big tech.
	Correct. They'll figure out a way to...
	Like, I'm not willing to, like, give up a battlefield.
	You know, I'm still... I'll still be on Instagram, even if they're screwing with me.
	But, like, this is different.
	Like, they always said in...
	The reason I... You know, again, early on Rumble, you know, try to help out, make whatever connection.
	Same thing with Public Square.
	You know, like... Same with Truth.
	They always say, oh, you don't like it?
	Build your own. Well, we actually did.
	There's guys like that. You have that skill set.
	You had the tech. You had the willpower to do it.
	That's not easy. But it's not just build your own and we'll let you compete on a fair groundage.
	Build your own. If you hit a critical mass and we don't like it, we'll rip you off Amazon Web Services.
	Parler. Parler, right?
	We don't like the message.
	There's a right-wing conspiracy theorist on there.
	We're literally going to just pull you off of that.
	Apple threatening, you know, the ability to get your app on the App Store.
	Same with Google, you know, if you're an Android user.
	So they say, you know, build your own, but it's not real.
	It's build your own, and we're going to throw up every roadblock imaginable.
	And again, it's competitive, but this is designed...
	It's a monopoly. They're designed to try to hold on to that power.
	So, you know, that you guys are doing that.
	I mean, honestly, if you're a...
	I don't even need to say conservative business.
	I mean, if you're like a, you know, independent or right of that, like, you almost don't have a choice because, like, they've shown that they're willing to do this.
	Your business takes off. We don't like it.
	You don't like a post. You know, what you saw with, what, PayPal?
	You know, if you're spreading misinformation, we're just going to fine you, what was it, $2,500?
	Like, they're the arbiters of misinformation on, like, it's not a social platform, so you say something somewhere else they don't like, they're just going to ding your account?
	I mean, they'll really try to do this.
	That was actual policy for a minute until the world went insane.
	But the fact that it even got there shows...
	I mean, there's no grounding in reality anymore.
	There isn't. Parler got shut down even though Facebook, Meta, whatever you want to call it, had far more violations of the nature that Amazon was citing for Parler.
	Yeah. So... Why did they get shut down first if they were not the leading platform for the problems that they were considering to be problems at the time?
	It's obvious, right?
	So what we did is we built the cloud.
	But the cloud is unique because it's taking the fight right to the center Of Silicon Valley.
	It's taking it right into big tech.
	It's their profit center.
	It's where they're making all their money from Microsoft to Amazon to Google Cloud.
	These three companies, they're an oligopoly that control the entire cloud market.
	And we're going after that segment for the first time.
	There's finally something out there.
	There's finally a highway and a company that is going after that profit center that believes in freedom of expression and believes in having that highway open for everyone.
	Whereas, their highway's not open for everyone.
	Their highway's only open for the people they want.
	Until they decide it's not. Correct.
	Okay, so how does that work?
	In the cloud world, if you're on AWS or one of these other, you know, Google, you know, cloud, how easy is that for people to transfer over?
	What's the value proposition?
	I mean, obviously you're starting off now, so how does that look for people?
	Because again, you know, I always say, hey, we sometimes got to make the extra effort, but I don't know that it's even an extra effort necessarily at this point.
	You got to just make the switch. Yeah, so we've launched the premium product first, so it's not the shared resources product, it's the dedicated resources product.
	When you compare our premium product to Amazon's reserved or premium product, we're very price competitive, we're significantly cheaper than they are.
	I think we can disrupt them on the pricing side.
	We also don't throttle the limits.
	With Amazon, when you get into AWS, you get charged for 10 different things.
	You have to add 10 different things.
	Much of which you're not even using. Whereas with Rumble, the price that you're going to get, you're going to get all those bells and whistles for one inclusive price.
	You're not going to get a bill that's twice as much as you thought it was going to be based on what you ordered.
	We think that we can disrupt them on the pricing in a pretty large way.
	That's what we've entered into the market with right now.
	So anyone can go to rumble.cloud and purchase their VMs straight from rumble.cloud automatically, put their credit card in and go.
	And again, this is not, just so we're clear, like it's not one of these where it's like, hey, you do this in Rumble, but you're really just on Amazon servers.
	Like dedicated hardware, dedicated servers, just you guys.
	Yeah, it's like when all those platforms went down like a month ago, when Instagram went down, even X went down, Truth and Rumble were up.
	We were the only highways that were open at that time.
	We still don't know why they all went down.
	That's another question I've been wondering.
	How did they all go down for a few hours and we don't know why they went down yet?
	That's interesting to me.
	I'm sure someone's going to have some conspiracy theories on that one.
	By the way, when I say conspiracy theories, I don't mean that in a derogatory way because I'd say your average conspiracy theorist...
	It's been far more right, probably, than anyone.
	Certainly, our mainstream media and big tech.
	But again, it is about building your own, but then we need guys like you.
	And as your businesses, go on there, do this.
	Don't take those chances. Because again, we've seen how it plays out.
	It's not like they're even hiding in it.
	It's like, oh, it's not going to happen to me.
	It's happened to anyone.
	And it doesn't seem like they're going to stop doing that.
	They don't even care at this point.
	Yeah, no, we're living in a really interesting time where I think we finally have the products, the companies to fight back.
	And they said, like you said, if we build it, go build it yourself.
	All right, we're built. Let's go.
	Now we need you guys to help.
	I mean, this has basically become sort of my de facto job.
	I did it with Public Square.
	It's like, hey, can you come on as an influencer?
	I was like, you can't afford me as an influencer, but if we grow this into something big, let's just do that.
	It's different. Because I believe in it, and it's important.
	So just being able to utilize sort of my connections and the linking and what you've done working with Devin and Truth to get that and to be the back of house that, because they're going to attack the hell out of that.
	Yeah. You know, God forbid, you know, the former president of the United States can actually have a place where he can speak freely without fear of being thrown off.
	It's a big deal. So it's an important fight.
	But, you know, the other thing you got to know, guys, about Rumble, I want you, Chris, take us through.
	I mean, you're actually suing Google.
	Yep. You're suing Media Matters and some of the other media guys out there.
	You're actually sort of... I mean, I guess Elon's doing some of that.
	I think you've probably even gone further than that.
	I mean, can you talk about the details of what you guys are actually doing?
	Because I think it's important if you guys are looking at these companies, if you're on Rumble, you'll probably like it.
	But like, so you understand, like, it's not just, again...
	You know, a pretty veneer over, like, these guys are actually taking that fight back to the lunatics.
	Talk about that a little bit, because that's one of the more impressive things.
	It's not easy. But you guys are leading the charge, fighting back against the fake news, against those lies, against sort of the monopoly powers.
	Can you get into the details of some of those cases?
	Yeah, so one thing before I do that, someone said they should put their Truth Social handles in the chat.
	If you have a Truth Social handle, put it in the chat and let people know.
	It's htdefbit.
	I think that's a cool comment. He said, Donald Trump Jr., tell the chat to put Truth Social link in the chat.
	We need to build a community here.
	Great idea. I think that's a great idea, guys.
	Because, again, all of this is so organic.
	You know, I built a pretty good following on Rumble really early when it was just sort of upstarting, and I think it was the first guy to hit over a million followers on Telegram, you know, and I think a lot of that's dropped off only because I think people perceive, whether it's Rumble or whether it's Truth Social, like, they had a place.
	Like, Telegram for a little while was almost the only place that you're like, okay, I probably won't get thrown off of that.
	So it's like, I hit like a million followers.
	I'm probably like half a million now because I just, I don't see as much use there because, you For a brief moment in time, that was the only place.
	Now between Truth, Rumble, you feel like there's at least a couple havens for you.
	Exactly. So to the lawsuit stuff, I think we're at the tip of the spear on that, fighting back.
	We're fighting back against corporate media in particular.
	There was an advertising campaign.
	Group, and you know, because we're in the middle of it, I can't say too much.
	But there was, I think it was called, they're called Check My Ads, and they said, they did defamatory statements against Rumble, saying things that were not true to try to hurt us.
	So it's designed to basically, what, like, they're commenting on things to make it seem like, it's a bunch of racists on Rumble, so they scare away the advertiser.
	But it's literally just created by these leftist, like, bots.
	They're There's a whole, I guess, community on the internet that just says all types of stuff.
	It's really weird because it's not just the big tech companies, but there's communities coming after us trying to hurt our advertisers.
	Media Matters did an article.
	Where they literally refresh the page 17 times so they can get an advertisement that showed up against the video that they perceived to be bad and then write an article about it.
	And we could see that by seeing how many times they refresh the page because they did it while they were logged into Rumble.
	So it made it easy for us to figure it out.
	So we saw what they were doing.
	They're vicious. They're not too smart, folks, but they're vicious.
	And they make up for it in volume and then they, you know...
	It's interesting though, like you're sitting there trying to create something that's bad, a video that no one else watched in the prior year except them.
	They found some crazy video, or they perceive it to be a crazy video, and they write an ad about it, and they write a whole article about it.
	The attacks are like...
	They just keep coming and coming and coming.
	The other thing that we did, obviously we're going against France for what they did, the censorship that they demanded.
	We're trying to appeal that.
	We're doing the same thing in Brazil.
	But we're also suing Google for antitrust, which I think is probably one of the...
	To the rumble business, a very important case, and I think a very important case for the entire world.
	Well, I think, just so we're clear, I personally think, I'm not putting words in your mouth, but I think Google is by far the worst offender in the world in terms of being a threat to truth, to free speech, to the basic tenets of our...
	The amount of weight that they've put on the scale...
	To shift things towards lunacy and liberal policy to me is like literally unfathomable.
	It's crazy.
	If only people I think understood, maybe if you're watching this, you do, but like...
	You know, they've meddled in elections like you wouldn't believe.
	I mean, I forget what the number I saw last week was.
	I mean, in a significant way.
	Yeah, I would say, I would reiterate what you say.
	I think Google's probably one of the most dangerous companies out there in many different respects.
	And the monopoly they have in the online video platform market where we went after them both for search preferencing and for pre-installs on the Android app.
	I think that's just one component of the evil that is happening by Google.
	There is more. And I think what we're doing by fighting on the antitrust thing is probably one of the most important cases that's out there on the antitrust front.
	I think it's the most...
	For us, it's obviously very important.
	But also, I think a lot of people...
	If you know, you kind of know how important it is.
	You can kind of see our case laid out.
	You can read the complaint. You can see how solid it is.
	We're in discovery. We're in full discovery right now.
	Depositions. Everything's going on right now.
	It's pretty unique because everyone thought that it would have been...
	You have to get to the discovery portion.
	Google went and they did a motion to dismiss all our claims and the judge denied all of them.
	I'm actually shocked because, I mean, the amount of money that Google spends on lobbying probably makes the military-industrial complex look like a bunch of low spenders.
	Well, no, I mean, listen, it's a trillion-dollar industry for a reason.
	It's a trillion-dollar business for a reason.
	It's a monopoly. The amount of money they skim off every online transaction for the real estate, I mean, it's...
	It's scary how much they make.
	I don't think people even understand.
	We need to fix that.
	They can't have this type of monopoly.
	It is not fair. It shouldn't be allowed.
	There needs to be someone that's going to push back against it.
	I know the DOJ is pushing back here and there, but What outcome are they going for?
	I can tell you the outcome that Rumble is going for.
	We're very serious and we really mean it.
	We're going after them on it.
	What do you think the timing of all of that is?
	So I think there's a trial date set for, you know, there's already dates set.
	I don't know them off the top of my head, but, you know, we're far down the path now in Discovery.
	So, you know, it should hopefully be, well, I think trial set for 2025, so.
	And some of these things, I guess more the media cases, you're sort of in there with Elon, because I guess they tried doing the same, similar to X. So, yeah.
	Yeah. Elon went after Media Matters.
	We went after another organization that defamed us.
	We also have the same pattern of behavior by Media Matters that Elon has sued for, but he's already doing that case.
	Does it make sense to pile on?
	Maybe it does. But at this point, we took a little bit of a different approach, and you know what?
	Maybe they're connected. By the way, I don't think anyone watching would be surprised if all of these things are well-coordinated, well-orchestrated with an intention.
	I mean, they do that.
	I mean, they're frankly much better at that.
	I mean, that's the problem. I wish we were better at sort of being like, pick a target, go for it.
	Like, everyone get on board.
	I mean, honestly, as it comes to tech, I mean, you can tell me, but like, The amount of Republicans I see that tell me what I want to hear on tech, but they accept their $3,500 donation from Google, and they talk a big game every once in a while on TV, and then they vote for it.
	I mean, it was sort of like the FISA insanity last week, right?
	I'm like, wait a minute.
	They're literally trying to take you out.
	You'll take a $3,500 donation, give them what they want?
	They're so off.
	Why is that? Yeah, no, it's...
	I can't figure it all out, but it's crazy right now.
	When it comes to these organizations, I think they're all working in unison.
	My working theory is that there is like...
	A lot of money from a couple of organizations that are being dispersed down to hundreds of different non-profits and these non-profits are all kind of, they all kind of know each other and they all kind of have the same agenda and they're all kind of trying to do the same thing.
	When you look at Media Matters and you look at Check My Ads and you look at what they're chasing every day, it's like, did they get a playbook?
	Yeah, so it's like the talkers.
	It's like watching the media take the shift talking points all throughout Russia, Russia, Russia.
	Yeah, it's unbelievable.
	It looks like there's a playbook and there's definitely funding for this behavior for these organizations.
	And it's pretty scary because...
	Who's funding all that? Where's the money coming from?
	Is there an actual apparatus?
	How is that actually working?
	On the media side, from Media Matters to check my ads to all these groups and what they're doing, it's scary.
	Yeah, I mean, I mean, obviously, you know, China is funding so much of the stuff, right?
	I mean, but they're funding a lot of the political sort of discord stuff, you know, they're funding the, you know, let's make trains cool, you know, stuff, because I guess it just, they understand what that will ultimately do to society.
	So they'll push it and, you know, jam it down our throats.
	I'd be curious, you know, what are your thoughts on sort of what's going on with with TikTok?
	You know, you talk about the ban, and you know, obviously it's a conflict, right?
	Like, I don't want to ban anything in America, and yet if it's something that's being used as a, you know, a clear psyop.
	Like, China would never allow rumble.
	You know, in China, right?
	They'd never allow that because they understand what it may be doing, even if it's not as, you know, as flagrant as some of what you see on a TikTok.
	But like, you know, they know, hey, they're never going to let that voice in China because it's not good for what they want.
	But at the same time, you want to be against a ban.
	What are your thoughts going, you know?
	TikTok's a great question because like, you just hit it.
	Rumble is not allowed in China.
	Why? Probably I could guess that we're perceived as a threat to their population for allowing freedom of expression.
	So they see us as a weapon.
	That's why we're not allowed in their country.
	They don't like it. They see it as a weapon.
	Probably the same reason why Brazil sees us...
	Oh, yeah, 100%.
	All these countries, you can add France and Brazil to the same group as China now, in terms of trying to censor their population from seeing what they want to see or hearing what they want to hear.
	And TikTok's no different.
	It's like... Why are we not allowed to go into the Chinese market, but we're totally allowing Chinese companies to come into our market with no tariff or no nothing?
	I always ask that question.
	I don't know what the right answer to that question is.
	Those are decisions better for you.
	I don't know. I don't get it.
	Like I said, I'm torn.
	It's a very big...
	We gotta practice what we preach, but I also understand that China takes that and weaponizes it against us.
	You know what I mean? Correct. If America, you know, someone was hit by, oh, it's a humanitarian abuse.
	Meanwhile, China has millions of people in the Uyghur slave camps in, you know, western China, and it's like, you know, but they'll go to the UN Security Council and they'll take, like, one incident and be like, see, look at what you're doing.
	Like, it's so ridiculous how hypocritical they are, and yet they can get away with it, right?
	So, It's a hard one because you understand.
	I know the TikTok algorithm in China.
	The big TikTok stars in China are genius kids doing physics projects.
	They're trying to encourage that kind of behavior.
	In America, it's like, let's find the biggest dumbass in the world and make him a hero so that an entire generation of people wants to emulate a dumbass.
	I don't know, man. I guess if you go for it, you deserve it, but it's clearly a PSYOP and a component of it.
	It can be considered a weapon the same way we're considered as a weapon over there.
	At the end of the day, what is their purpose and why are they doing it?
	We don't know what their algorithm is doing and what it's pushing and what agenda it has.
	Clearly, it could have an agenda.
	We've seen bias. You see what Google did when they launched their AI? Talk about bias there, right?
	So, like, how is it that China's not going to have a bias in their algorithm?
	Are we going to assume they don't? Of course they're going to have a bias.
	Do you think this notion that's been proposed of, like, sort of, hey, you know, make it, like, an American subsidiary, so at least the data...
	You know, because, I mean, there's sort of the worry about sort of the data, right?
	They're spying on your 16-year-old kid, and then as someone who has a 16-year-old kid and a 15-year-old kid and a 12-year-old kid, like...
	Kids are dumb. They make stupid mistakes.
	If someone's listening in on everything like that, and that can be used against them in 30 years, it does feel like a point of leverage to ultimately manipulate the political levers.
	That sounds crazy, but when you think about millions of kids on there, they're like, hey, some of those kids are going to become congressmen.
	They're going to become senators. Some of them may become presidents.
	Man, it feels scary.
	Like, I always say, for me, contrary to popular belief, I was not always the upstanding citizen that I am today.
	I probably had a couple wild years in me.
	And, like, you know, I literally thank God every day that, like, when I was in college and maybe, you know, weekends in high school, that, like, I didn't have a video camera in my pocket.
	You know, or a camera, you know, or Snapchat and instant messaging.
	It's like, kids do dumb shit.
	And like, they should be able to do dumb shit.
	I have to have that conversation with my kids all the time, which is like, hey man, like, you got a target on your back.
	You know, for my boys, like, hey, you're white men with the last name Trump.
	Like, you're basically fucked.
	You get no second chances.
	You don't get any benefit of the doubt in America today in 2024.
	You get no chances.
	Don't screw it up. It's scary.
	Yeah, and you have a foreign nation that holds all that data.
	Correct. That would clearly weaponize it, because they've shown that.
	I'm very torn about the whole TikTok situation, because my ultimate mission is freedom of expression, and really pushing that human right.
	And then when you now have countries and different borders and different places in the world and you have a foreign nation that could want to do something that's really negative, what do you do in that situation?
	If Rumble can't... Just look at Rumble.
	If Rumble can't operate there...
	Yeah. And they can operate here.
	Something is wrong, fundamentally wrong with that.
	It's like, you know, I think your dad always used to say, like, if you're going to put taxes on us this way, we're going to put taxes on it the same way.
	Seems fair. I think that's just, like, the perfect way to look at it.
	And I think, like, if we have to pay a tax to go to China, let us know what it is.
	And if they have to pay a tax coming over here, we'll let them know what it is.
	I think that's fair. And when it comes to something like TikTok and Rumble, it's...
	It's just weird because they probably perceive us as a weapon, but yet we're totally comfortable of not perceiving them as a weapon and allowing them to operate here and potentially be manipulating a lot of minds.
	Speaking of sort of manipulating minds, what are your thoughts on sort of AI? It's dangerous.
	It feels...
	A year ago, almost no one was talking about it.
	I mean, you knew about it.
	I mean, from the Terminator movies that didn't work out so well, Doesn't seem improbable at this point.
	What are your thoughts there?
	The good, the bad, and the ugly?
	I think, you know, this is something I've like really deeply tried to understand over the last year.
	And I've gotten to a point where I think I really understand where I could go and The impacts it could have, the positive impacts it could have, the negative impacts it could have.
	I think when Google released Gemini and we got to see how manipulative things are going to be, I'm at a point where if you use it for recommendations and use it for things that are like...
	Trivial, like, small things.
	It could be very helpful, but, like, if you're going to try to create, like, a complete AI person, like, that could get pretty scary.
	Like, it's a...
	Everyone's going to have a different motive.
	Google's going to have a different motive than Rumble's going to have, and Rumble's going to have a different motive than Meta's going to have.
	Oh, it's a little scary, though, but you think of, like, sort of Meta and Google.
	I mean, obviously leading the charge there, you know...
	Now our enemies are too, right?
	So like, I sort of loved actually what Elon said a while ago, which was like, hey man, this is really scary.
	We have to submit regulations. But the problem is I look at it like, you think Russia is going to regulate the use of AI for weapons?
	Do you think Iran will? Do you think China will?
	And if they won't, but we do...
	It feels like the nature of AI is sort of this exponential, you know, always exponential growth.
	If you put any sort of limitations on it, your enemies just become more powerful than you.
	It's the fear of the unknown right now.
	It's like, we don't know.
	And you just, like, think about that.
	Like, if Russia or Iran or China wants to do, they can do whatever they want.
	We don't know where they're going to go with AI. We don't know where they are.
	We don't know where, like, we probably don't even know where Google really is or where X really is in terms of where they're going to be.
	But, like, AI is a...
	They're spending billions upon billions, and it ain't just one company doing it.
	It's a lot of companies spending billions and billions in hardware right now to try to really get these models going.
	And we're going to get to a point where they're going to get it to a pretty...
	It's a pretty sophisticated spot, and what they decide to do and what everyone decides to do will be different than the other one.
	Regulation is like, you know, I don't know.
	I don't know how you'd regulate it.
	How are you going to regulate China?
	Independent thoughts. Someone types out an algorithm.
	And you're certainly not going to regulate your enemies, right?
	So that's sort of the...
	I agree with Elon in terms of it spiraling out of control, but I think...
	If you're not doing what your enemies are doing, and you're limiting yourself, I sort of feel like that's almost an assured way to lose.
	And again, Elon's probably forgotten more about AI than I will ever actually know in my life, but it just felt like He doesn't strike me as a naive guy, but it felt like a naive comment.
	Does that make sense? Because it's like, I just don't believe any of our adversaries, and there's plenty of them, would ever sort of put themselves in check, right?
	They're going to do whatever they want to do.
	Yeah, they're going to do whatever they want to do.
	I don't know how much further we are in America than they are in different countries.
	We might be behind. It feels like we're behind on a lot of things these days.
	Well, because we're focused on the wrong things, right?
	Correct. Our military, which is sort of the place where so many of these technologies throughout, whether it's...
	Everything from planes to, you know, GPS to, like, all sort of started there.
	But we're not concerned about these things, you know what I mean?
	China was testing hypersonic nuclear-capable missiles, and we're worried about, you know, gender theory.
	My friends in the SEAL teams literally have complained to me that they're doing more time in diversity training than they are shooting in And you know, hey, like, I don't know.
	Maybe I'm old-fashioned. I want my, like, Navy SEALs to be able to shoot, not recite the genders and gender theory and, like, check some box.
	And, like, I got shit on by the media for saying it.
	And then, like, you know, Rob O'Neill, Carl Hinkby, like, a bunch of my SEALs that are friends that are, like, out there.
	They're like, it's 100% true.
	It's a serious fucking problem.
	Don's 100% right. They're like, oh.
	Then it disappeared. They didn't do the story about, hey, this is actually a problem.
	It was like, okay, we're just not gonna shit on Don for this anymore because we're okay with it happening.
	And it seems very problematic.
	And that's the problem with a lot of things in the world right now is like, you know, as a video company, we should only be focused on video.
	I shouldn't be concentrated on, you know, This diversity stuff.
	That's not our business.
	If you want to create a diversity company, go create a diversity company.
	But it shouldn't be bleeding into every single category.
	Enforced. Enforced on every single category of work, etc.
	And I think that's kind of one of the problems right now.
	The same thing happened with Russell Brand coming, the UK government with Russell Brand.
	Like, they come to us about an allegation and they expect us to censor, listen, we're just a video company.
	We're not here to be the law to judge Russell Brand.
	And yet, but everyone else did.
	I mean, like I said, I didn't know Russell.
	I actually followed him because it was sort of interesting to see someone sort of get red-pilled in real time.
	And I don't... I don't believe he believes a lot of the stuff that I believe about certain things in politics, but he was sort of a free speech absolutist and was fine with that.
	At the Rumble opening, when you guys opened up in Sarasota, the corporate offices, I spent some time with them.
	It was interesting because I was like, wow, couldn't imagine two more opposite people in a certain way?
	We actually had a great time.
	It was sort of funny.
	We started off with, I actually led it with a totally inappropriate joke that he found really funny.
	And that was, he's like, oh, you and I are going to get along great.
	And it was like, I didn't have that in my bingo card, but it worked out.
	But then, you know, when that nonsense happened, you know, it was so shocking to me because I've gotten so used to it now, the attacks on my father.
	It's like, 45 years ago, Donald Trump did something like that.
	So for 45 years, you didn't say anything?
	Like, you know, Donald Trump had a leading show.
	You were a big fan of that show. It didn't matter.
	But once he became a Republican, that's when it became a problem, right?
	It felt like Russell Brand, once he was married to Katy Perry, he was probably one of the world's super couples or whatever the hell, at least in pop culture terms, which is a big deal.
	And, like, that was never an issue.
	All this stuff happened prior to that, but it was fine if he was dating Katy Perry.
	It was just a good story from a night out.
	Now, he said a couple things that may be perceived as conservative or free speech or whatever, and now he's a serial rapist.
	I was like, it was very sort of Brett Kavanaugh.
	Magically this happened. No one remembers anything.
	There's no details. There's no evidence.
	There's no proof. But everyone says it's the gospel.
	And I feel like, obviously I see him on Rumble still, but on the other platforms, he doesn't show up in my feed anymore.
	It doesn't populate.
	It doesn't show up in the things I'd be interested in, even if he's talking about a subject matter that...
	I'm clearly talking about. You know, I could talk about a pair of sneakers right here, and the next 50 ads that pop up in Meta or on Instagram are going to be about sneakers.
	They know what I'm looking for.
	They understand it, but they're purposely not showing me him.
	They're not giving him that platform.
	Yeah, no, when we received a letter from the MP and the UK government, it didn't take us more than 30 minutes to put a response out and say, uh-uh.
	We're a video company.
	Leave us alone. We don't care.
	We're going to focus on video if he violates terms of service of our video platform.
	We'll deal with it. But what's happening in his life, if you're going to go after every single character with something that happened in their life, an allegation that we don't even know who it's from, like an anonymous allegation, well, I got news for you because there's a lot of people on YouTube that are going to have a lot of problems if that's the case.
	But it didn't stop them from doing it, right?
	It's still happening.
	Like I said, he was a phenomenon in all of my feeds, whether it was X or Whether it was Instagram, obviously Rumble, and like I said, right now, there are acquaintances, but other than Rumble, it doesn't show up anymore.
	And I think he's doing great on Rumble still, but...
	It still had the effect.
	So even if it's bullshit, it's having some sort of effect.
	Because I imagine others who may not be paying as much attention, who may not have been like, okay, I like what he's saying because I'm willing to listen to someone who doesn't necessarily agree with me if we're sort of unified by certain basic tenets.
	And I felt like that was it.
	It was a cool conversation because it wasn't just someone telling me what I wanted to hear.
	It was a different approach, but under that same guise of free speech, which was so important.
	And yet, I do feel like they've effectively been able to shut some of that off.
	Well, YouTube did it. They openly said they were doing it.
	They're going to demonetize them.
	It's crazy. It's so crazy to watch these companies that are supposed to be focused on one thing.
	Actually, when we hire people from these big tech companies that come over to us, they actually tell us that one of the reasons why they're leaving is we're not working on product anymore.
	anymore, we're working on some specific thing that has nothing to do with the product whatsoever
	and has something to do with some political social issue.
	And they're not working on the code of the product anymore.
	And they're like, I just want to work on a cool product.
	I'm not here to be part of an NGO.
	So I saw that.
	I guess it was during the Iowa caucuses or whatever.
	I was in Iowa.
	I did Tim Pool's podcast live there.
	And I don't know.
	we got off on some tangent, you're talking about like, you And I was like, listen, I think we should give them a bullet each.
	And I think it's wonderful. And like, that's great.
	Like gone, no problem.
	And basically they was like, it was like, oh, should we take that one down now?
	I was like, what do you mean? He was like, he's like, no, that was a really good show.
	But like, YouTube's going to ding us and they're going to take us off.
	They're deplatform us for two weeks.
	And he was like, like, we're literally having like a joking conversation.
	I mean, I guess I'm not entirely joking.
	I I guess if there's one class in society that I will show no quarter to, it's pedophiles.
	But it wasn't that way.
	I wasn't instigating violence or doing anything like that.
	I was like, this is my opinion. I don't think...
	And it was like, well, do we just take this thing down now because we're probably going to get thrown off of YouTube if we don't?
	And I was like, I thought that was a pretty good show.
	He's like, no, it was a great show.
	That was a lot of fun. But this is what's going to happen.
	Because you had an opinion. This is the problem with all the other platforms is they lack authenticity.
	They're forced to not be authentic in what they believe and what their true beliefs are.
	They're... They're sugarcoating it.
	They're even changing their opinion just to fulfill the policies so they can be monetized or whatnot.
	And this is why Rumble's growing, is that you can be purely authentic.
	You can say exactly how you feel within the terms of services that are on Rumble.
	And I think just people are so sick of the fake shit.
	They're so sick of it.
	They just... Authenticity is everything now.
	I think everybody in the chat can detect authenticity.
	They can detect when you're fake.
	That's one thing that Rumble enables everyone to do.
	You can actually sit there and have a conversation and make a joke and have fun.
	Fleet Lord Atvar, woodchippers for pedos.
	I think this is, if I run for president one day, maybe that will be my slogan, because I think we should all agree on that.
	But they don't. The Democrats these days don't seem to care.
	That was an interesting thing. I was the one that introduced Tim Ballard, who did The Sound of Freedom and everything like that, to my five.
	I met him in Utah, some event, and he talked about this human trafficking thing.
	And everyone understood it was a problem, but you're like...
	It's tens of children.
	It's like, no, it's tens of thousands of children.
	I was like... So I introduced this thing.
	I met with my father in the administration.
	And they finally announced they're going to put this commission and they're going to fund it with $300 billion.
	I'm like, this is great. Everyone can get behind stopping child sex trafficking.
	This is a 100% issue in politics where nothing's 100%.
	And I was wrong.
	The left lost their mind that we would even do...
	It was like... It was just one of those moments where you're like, wow, society as a whole has collapsed.
	Where do you see rumble in five years, Chris, with everything going on?
	I think we have four pillars, four products that we're really focused on now.
	Now everything's finally out.
	I think we're at the very first time in this business where the four major products are at a really good point.
	First is the Rumble video platform.
	I think that the Rumble video platform will slowly get larger and larger when it comes to the televisions.
	I think that we're ultimately disrupting cable television and corporate media on television.
	You can actually download the Rumble app.
	You can watch Triggered On your TV, which I recommend doing maybe for family dinners.
	Get everyone fired up.
	Create your next conservative.
	Unindoctrinate your children after a day in school.
	I think we should all do this.
	You can do that also, guys.
	You don't have to be on your computer.
	Yeah, you can watch it on your LG TV, Samsung TV, Roku TV, Apple TV, Android TV, Fire TV. I'm sure there's more, but you can watch it on your TV, which is, I think, A lot of this live streaming and these shows are going to slowly start replacing cable television.
	I think it has to because I feel like the cable model, it's like...
	It's not authentic. It's the same show.
	I mean, there's shows and some of these guys are my friends.
	I can watch the show tonight and go to the show 18 months ago and it's probably the same thing.
	It's all agenda-driven like we discussed earlier.
	It's not authentic.
	When you're watching someone on Rumble...
	You're going to get, like, their true views.
	You're going to get to really understand Donald Trump Jr.
	Like, you're really going to get to understand the creator that you're watching on Rumble.
	And there's no agenda. I don't call you and tell you what to say.
	Yeah, there's plenty of libtards on Rumble, too.
	You can go follow them. I wouldn't recommend it.
	I'd say you watch this show over and over again, but...
	So the second component is the Rumble Studio, which is our live streaming product.
	So we're going to try to make it a lot easier for everyone to monetize and stream to all platforms agnostically and make live streaming very simple.
	Because I do think without that product, that product will enable an economy and monetization for creators, but it'll also produce a lot of content for Rumble itself and all platforms.
	The third product is the Rumble Advertising Center, which we're going to compete directly against Google AdSense and Google Ad Exchange.
	Google has a monopoly on the advertising industry, and we want to disrupt that.
	Truth Social is one of our largest partners on the Rumble Advertising Center, so we monetize We started monetizing even TMZ recently.
	They started testing their stuff.
	They're using Rumble Advertising Center to test some of their video inventory.
	Drudge Reports testing some of our inventory.
	Gateway Pundit, Breitbart, a lot of different publishers can now use Rumble Advertising Center to monetize, which is great because a lot of these places were canceled by Google.
	So now Rumble is providing a solution for a large part of the market that wasn't able to monetize.
	So Rumble Advertising Center is going to go heads up against Google's advertising ecosystem, which is a monopoly.
	And the fourth component is the cloud.
	None of these first three things are...
	You're never going to provide authenticity in any of these three things and be able to do any of these three things without having a highway that is going to treat everybody fairly and treat everybody under...
	Treat everybody unlike the way AWS and Google and Microsoft would treat you on the same principles that Rumble has, which is freedom of expression, authenticity, etc.
	So the Rumble Cloud is the core component and it's going after the profit center of Silicon Valley.
	And five years from now, I see all these four products much bigger than what they are today.
	And I think that a lot of new businesses will start emerging because of these products.
	Because now there's an advertising ecosystem, you can build a conservative product and monetize it unlike you could do probably a couple years ago.
	You can now build on a cloud platform that you don't have to worry about.
	Think about churches and think about religions that have beliefs.
	There could be a day where Amazon says, you know, we don't like this belief in this...
	They kind of already are. Amazon, they're left of even our radicalized DOJ, and our DOJ and our FBI have called practicing Catholics domestic terrorists.
	So if you don't think it's going to happen, like...
	Your own DOJ are, you know, federal law enforcement.
	The FBI thinks practicing Catholics.
	Banks turned over data to them of people who bought Bibles or shopped at Bass Pro Shops because that labeled you a conservative.
	If you were a concerned parent or mother, you go to a PTA meeting and question, you know, the DEI, BLM indoctrination going on in our public schools.
	Like, that made you a domestic terrorist.
	Like, I don't think any of these...
	These are not, like... Fringe outliers.
	They may have been five years ago, but it's happening at the highest levels of our government.
	We don't think that's going to be adopted by Amazon.
	They're not going to take that same approach and know that it's just fine.
	They can get away with it. Of course they will.
	They've not shown us anything that would lead us to believe otherwise.
	No, they haven't. And this is it.
	This is why we've built all these products to be able to really address this need in the market.
	And essentially the most important thing is create a highway based on free expression in the First Amendment, which is something that doesn't exist anymore until RumbleCloud came along in the last month for the rest of the public.
	That's where I see this platform going.
	I think ultimately five to ten years from now, I hope that we replace cable television to a large degree and we really change the market in terms of independent, freeing creators and creating independence for yourself so that you can broadcast to your fans and to your subscribers in a way that there's no impediment or agenda or anybody telling you what to do.
	It means there's going to be a lot of opinions on Rumble, and a lot of things you don't like on Rumble, but a lot of things you will like.
	That's okay. I think that choice is ultimately, you know, the best ideas win in that marketplace, and that's what we want to foster.
	Okay, so last question. What's your favorite show on Rumble, and why is it triggered?
	I love that question.
	So, you know, we're super happy with this show.
	Obviously, it's been, I think we had like 20,000 people watching right now when I looked a little earlier.
	It was at 20,000 when I was watching it earlier.
	I got to do a couple more days a week because I feel like I missed out only doing two days a week.
	I gotta balance that with life.
	Wait, wait, wait. Let's put it to the chat right now.
	Put ones in the chat if you want five days a week.
	I know you don't want to hear that.
	Oh, God. Put ones in the chat if you want more triggered during the week.
	We'd love to have... Yeah, well, that's right.
	Guys, download the Rumble app.
	Make sure, you know, that way you can also put notifications on.
	Again, because... Okay, here we go.
	Spam. Spam the chat once, Chad.
	Just spam. Spam. Yeah, five days, yes.
	That person didn't understand instructions, but they're going...
	A lot of ones... Okay. Okay, yeah, one person.
	Two days is fine with me. I can be a little overwhelming, but 17 days a week, that's...
	I appreciate that.
	This is great. Yeah.
	Okay, well, I may be in trouble, but...
	Oh boy. Well, anyway, I wish I wouldn't have done that one.
	Guys, thank you so much always for tuning in.
	Chris, thanks for being here and what you're doing.
	Guys, again, it may not be applicable to everyone, but if you have the businesses, start checking out RumbleCloud.
	That's going to be expanding into more.
	But watch these things as they progress.
	Check out the other services. Again, If you get apps and you have the Samsung TVs and the other TVs, check it out there.
	It's you guys that make all of this possible.
	Guys like Chris are actually out there building it.
	I'm out there. I'll try to push it.
	I don't have your technical expertise with this stuff, so I just sort of know what I'm good at, and I'll try to do that.
	But it's you guys that make it all possible.
	We are at the point where it's...
	It's important. We got to fight for all of these things.
	So, Chris, thanks so much for what you're doing with all of it.
	And we're going to win this fight.
	And it's because of you guys.
	So, Chris, thank you so much, guys.
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