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RESCUING CHILDREN IS TIM BALLARD'S MISSION, "Sound of Freedom" Inspired by His Story | TRIGGERED Ep. 52

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Welcome to another awesome episode of Trigger.
Today is one of the most important episodes we've ever done.
We're sitting down with my friend Tim Ballard.
He is the subject of the movie The Sound of Freedom.
The story about fighting human trafficking.
The inspiration for the movie.
He's the guy.
It's been a huge box office hit.
The left is losing their minds for some reason in 2023 apparently.
Stopping child sex trafficking is a bad thing, I guess, if you're a Democrat.
But Tim founded the group Operation Underground Railroad.
He's one of the former CEOs of the Nazarene Fund, which seeks to save oppressed religious minorities in the Middle East.
And now he has a new group called the Spear Fund to combat sex trafficking.
Tim has spent over a decade working as a special agent for the Department of Homeland Security where he was deployed as an undercover operative and has worked tirelessly to dismantle and take down human trafficking rings.
He was also a member of the Public-Private Partnership Advisory Council to end human trafficking under the Trump administration.
This is where it started.
I met Tim in like 2015 or 2016.
He was telling me some of these stories and I
I mean, I knew that stuff went on that was bad, I just didn't understand the volume of just how much it is, how terrible it is, you can't even fathom it.
And it's one of the few phone calls, we'll get into that probably in the episode, but it's one of the few phone calls I actually made to my father and be like, listen, you guys got to look into this and then...
They did and they put him on a council and they actually funded it, the first administration to do that.
And then all of a sudden the left went nuts about stopping this stuff.
He can't make it up anymore.
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Guys, now we're gonna go to Tim Ballard.
Awesome.
Well, guys, super excited about this episode of Triggered because we have someone that's actually making a real difference in the world, right?
There's the people that talk, there's the people that talk shit, there's the people that are actually doing it, and the gentleman here to my left, Tim Ballard, is actually a man of action.
Tim is the subject of the movie The Sound of Freedom, the movie about human trafficking
Child sex trafficking in Latin America.
He's actually the subject of it.
It's the movie of, at least, well, a small component of your life story, but a huge one.
So, just, it's awesome to have you here, Tim.
Yeah, thanks so much, Don.
So good to be here, man.
Thank you.
Well, tell me how did this all start?
I mean, you know, you had interesting background, and you sort of end up in this world, you know, that today we're told, apparently, and certainly based on the controversy that we've seen,
About the movie that, like, this stuff isn't happening, but it's very clearly happening and it should be a hill to die on for anyone.
For anyone that has any shred of decency, any piece of humanity, and yet
I mean, they're trying to make it go away.
Certainly at least one side of the political spectrum, not mine, is trying to make it go away.
But how did you get into this spot?
So I spent 12 years between 2002 to 2013.
I was a special agent, undercover operator for the Department of Homeland Security.
Ten years of that career was on the border, on the Clexico, California, southern border.
And what was happening in 2006, the laws changed, allowed U.S.
agents to start going overseas in pursuit of American sex tourists.
And if we could catch that person engaging in sex with a child, we could hold them accountable as if they committed that crime here.
So they send me to an undercover school.
I'm infiltrating.
I'm going overseas.
I speak fluent Spanish.
I'm in there pretending to be a pedophile, pretending to be a trafficker.
Jesus.
No, no, no, but just that alone has to take a toll.
Oh, I have a million holes burned in my brain, truly.
I mean, I've watched thousands of hours of just videos of children, young children, like seven years old, average age, just being horrifically just raped, and it's, yeah, it's my reality now to deal with.
I'm sorry you had to actually, I'm just glad someone is doing it, because I could see that being, you know, the toughest person in the world could not get through that and do what you've done.
Well thank you, yeah.
Every day is a battle, to be honest with you.
To find happiness, really.
But I won't stop.
So anyway, in 2013 I had two cases I was working on.
One was in Haiti, about a little boy, a little US citizen of Haitian descent who had been kidnapped in Haiti.
And I wanted to go find him as a U.S.
agent.
Another case in Colombia.
I was working in Cartagena as a consultant.
I went too far.
I went further than I was supposed to go.
But at this point in my career, I'm like... See, what's frustrating is child trafficking knows no borders and boundaries.
Unfortunately, bureaucracy does.
So they send me in and it's like, well, you've got to abide by these rules of engagement.
And I'm like, look, when it comes to kids, I get to a point where I don't care.
And when they told me to come home because it was outside of jurisdiction or whatever they said, I mean, I broke.
And I broke.
I called my wife.
I said,
I can't come home.
Can I come home?
And I kind of wanted her to say, come home.
Because if I stay, that means I quit.
The tortures of the den, yeah.
I was kind of hoping she'd say, you know we've got six kids, Tim, this is crazy, just come home.
You work in a bureaucracy, you've got to accept that.
But she didn't.
She said, I don't care if we lose everything.
I don't care if we lose our house.
I don't care if we end up living in a tent, she told me, the second week of December of 2013.
In fact, when I fought back, because when she didn't read the line I wanted her to read, which was, come home, I was like, I want to pretend to be valiant, but in reality I was pretty cowardice.
And she's like, you know, keep your ass down there.
Stay down there.
And she said, I will not let you, this is a quote from her, I will not let you jeopardize my salvation, she said, by coming home.
It's a big one.
Yeah, they're like, whoa!
So I'm like, well, that ends the debate, I guess.
And so we went down, and what you see in the film is the story.
It was what happened after we decided to stay.
And it ends up, it results on October 11th of 2014 into the largest rescue operation I've ever been part of.
120 women and children were rescued.
The Haiti one was also, it's not in the film, but PragerU's actually just aired the docu-series on what happened in Haiti.
Well, that's what's interesting.
I mean, you did this as part of DHS.
The Department of Homeland Security.
That's the U.S.
government.
How come it seems like they're pretending like this isn't a real issue?
It doesn't, it's mind-boggling to me, whether, you know, whether that, you know, and I understand perhaps the politics of the border, but like, it seems like there is, you're not going to get rid of all of it, but there is a way to make it much harder for people to do these horrific things.
You know, that's, you know, there's bad people all over the world, there always will be bad people, but
They're aware of this thing.
They've been aware of it, obviously, for well over a decade.
Correct.
And yet, it's like, oh, it's an imaginary thing.
It's a conspiracy theory.
How is that possible?
Well, here's what I think is happening.
First of all, when the story came out in October of 2014, all the media that's hitting me now
Applauded our work.
Every one of them.
Well, OK, so we met around, I guess, 15.
Yeah.
A little bit before that.
But yeah, that was the interesting part.
You were saying, you know, the film was made and you actually got some acclaim, although it wasn't really released, at least not in sort of the mass market sense that it is now.
The $180.
Yeah.
From people, why is that?
How could they have a claim for the film, the idea?
I mean, who could, you know, as screwed up as we are right now as far as I'm concerned, who could ever be against getting this story out there, trying to stop this horrific practice that's clearly pretty prevalent?
Here's what I think happened, and it actually connects to, you helped me get into your dad.
Yeah, I did not get involved, in many cases, I don't get the Hunter Biden treatment, right?
I got involved twice, in the sense that, you know, one was for Pebble Mine, just an environmental thing, actually, just as a, you know, up in Bristol Bay, I was like, listen, this is a disaster, and they sort of, I guess, took my advice.
The other was when we met in Utah, I was like,
Wait a minute, like, I understand it's a problem.
Yeah.
I didn't understand it's a problem.
Right.
You know, meaning I didn't understand the tens of thousands of people that this is happening to all over the world.
And so I just said, hey, you should really sit down with these guys.
And then that meeting happened.
Yeah.
When I, you know, maybe it's like one of the great examples of TDS, Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Absolutely.
He had you in there and they created, I guess they formed a subcommittee.
Yes, he put me as chair.
Yeah, you were a chair of a person to look into a problem of human and child sex trafficking.
Yes.
And the media went nuts.
How dare he look into this problem?
Can we not all agree that this is something that's bad?
I don't understand.
It's so crazy.
I'm in the White House, in the cabinet room, and I'm briefing your father, the President of the United States, on what happens.
I spent ten years on that border.
And I didn't think what I was saying was political, because it's never been political.
How is it political?
Even me, and I get it, I'm a political guy now, that's sort of what I do, but how is this issue political?
How can you be a human?
How can you be a parent and not, like, I can't think of anything worse in the world than that to minors, and yet it's either a cover-up, or it's a problem, or we won't even talk about it, or we're going to protect those who are doing these horrific deeds.
What is going on?
So here's what I briefed your father, because I was actually applauding what he was doing.
Imagine this, Don.
Imagine if a child, an American child, is found in New York City, San Diego, pick your city, is found unaccompanied.
That kid would be treated like a gem.
They'd be protected.
No one could just come and take that kid.
There'd be background checks, DNA tests, whatever, before that kid is delivered up, right?
What your dad was doing was building enforcement, building a wall that would allow or disallow that from ever happening or give those children, those foreign kids, the same opportunity that a lost child would have in New York City.
In other words, it would incentivize these traffickers from bringing kids up.
When you open the borders, it's the least compassionate thing you can do.
So they accuse your dad of being a racist.
And, oh, you don't want kids to come in?
No, no, he's protecting kids.
A wall forces the traffickers to take kids into the one place, their final hope, that an American officer can see and recognize and rescue that child.
And so, I texted you earlier today, your dad literally rescued tens of thousands of children because he was pro-border enforcement.
And it's like, Clinton built more of the wall than Trump did.
That's the truth.
Because it wasn't partisan.
We all understood that the wall protects... The United States is the number one consumer of child sex material on the planet.
So you don't want children in our country unless you've got to protect those kids.
As a son, I love hearing that, that he helped save tens of thousands of children from this
Disaster.
But again, why is it controversial?
I get it.
I can understand you don't like his policies.
The media is going to do whatever they can to run cover for the Democrat.
We've seen all people running the country now and it's totally competent.
How far do we have to have fallen for this to become a political issue as opposed to just common decency?
I'm a father.
I'm not quite an over-performer like you with six, but I got five myself.
I actually have nine.
Six at the time of the film, but we adopted two and one came.
I have a lot.
Relatively speaking, relative to the rest of the five kids, there's a lot in America today.
There's nothing I wouldn't do to keep them safe.
There's literally nothing.
It doesn't matter.
People aren't willing to do that, or they're willing to literally do the opposite.
That's right.
They're willing to put up roadblocks to prevent those kids from being saved this horrible future.
So we've been called a QAnon conspiracy by the Guardian, Rolling Stone, all the leftists.
Oh, I saw those articles.
It was ridiculous.
What's interesting is the film was written, produced, and filmed and everything before you ever heard of QAnon.
So it's impossible, first of all.
So why are they doing this?
Why are they lying?
This is what I think.
Because this film is forcing a conversation.
85,000 unaccompanied minors brought into the country.
But it's more than that.
I was with a delegate of congressmen at the Republican Party on the Hill a few weeks ago and they said, why can't we wake up the other side?
Why won't they wake up to the fact that 85,000 children
Thousands that are five years old are in our country.
We don't know where they are.
That's sad.
It's horrifying.
And I said, the problem is you've got to connect it to everything else that the left is doing right now.
I've been hunting pedophiles for two decades.
I know what they want.
You know what they want?
They want to sexualize kids.
They want kids to be given sexualized material.
They want kids to be able to consent to anything and everything because that eventually leads to the ability for them to consent to sex.
They want to change pedophiles to the word minor attractive persons.
So they've been
Listen, you're saying all this is stuff I talk about on the show all the time.
They are normalizing this, but there's no other even plausible solution than this is their end.
Now, at any other time in the world, you'd be like, how could it possibly be?
This is what they're doing.
I mean, you see it.
I mean, you saw it with Target.
Like, we need to do that.
Every school kid's library should have hyper-sexualized graphic detail.
Oh, you're banning books?
It's like, no, publish your sick crap wherever you want, but like, it doesn't need to be in a preschool.
Like, why is that the Hilton Don?
You can't have children at the Drag Queen Show.
Well, then we're going to cancel it.
I was like, well, I thought it wasn't about sexualizing anything.
If you're not trying to get to the children, why are you canceling the show once children are not available to attend?
So, how much further?
These are main, high-level talking points.
You see, if you don't let your children transition, we're going to take them away from you.
That was, I believe, Washington State and Oregon, and voted on, I believe, 100% of the Democrat delegation, I guess, in the state legislature there, voted for these things.
How much bigger is the problem than we actually could even fathom?
Because, meaning, if there's 12 people out there that are doing that, it's terrible and they should be, as far as I'm concerned, they should be shot.
It's different than if there's tens of thousands, and there has to be tens of thousands of people doing this, if not much more, if they're able to get this level of backup from a mainstream political party.
If they're able to get 100% of state's legislature, when you're wondering what other purpose could it be for than that?
That's right.
Um, it's actually millions, because there's two million children we know, that we believe, I think it's much more than that, uh, forced into commercial sex.
That means there's, I don't know, times ten, times I don't know how many more.
Yeah, exactly.
It's like... Millions of people!
How could you cover that across, and that's just in America or across the world?
That's across the world.
Okay.
And I'm not suggesting that the leftists are pedophiles, but I am suggesting that they are making pedophiles salivate because they are implementing the very policies that for decades the pedophile movement has been pushing.
Sexualize kids.
Let them consent.
Call pedophilia minor-attracted persons.
All the things that they're pushing, the pedophiles are sitting back going, this is unbelievable.
Wisconsin, I think, did the thing where, as an employer, you couldn't discriminate against someone who's like outwardly a pedophile.
Like, in employment practices, you can't discriminate against people for color or religion or whatever it may be.
You also now can't do it because they're a pedophile?
Like, what planet are we on?
And this is why.
In October 11, 2024, we did this operation that's depicted in the film.
The Guardian, Rolling Stone, CBS News, everybody, MSN, they all applauded our work.
Eight years later, same outlets.
Now it's a fraud because they don't want to have this conversation.
They know.
That they're running interference?
I think they know they're running interference with pedophiles and traffickers and they don't want to kind of sacrifice their agenda by allowing the world to think this is happening.
So why is that, though?
There's things that I would think, again, as humans,
That we could all agree on.
Like, this isn't like, you know, hey, tax policy, fine, 50-50.
You know, maybe even immigration aspects of it, not the stuff that ties to this, but like, fine.
I understand nuance.
I can understand the difference.
I'm from New York City.
Like, I have plenty of friends that were Democrats.
But the fact that it's gotten so flagrant
Right.
How is that possible?
Here's what I think.
And why?
To what end?
Isn't it easy to be the guy to be like, hey, I'm from the left, and this is insane, and yet it doesn't seem like I see anyone willing to do it?
So one thing, I think, I learned after I met with your father in 2019, and I said all these things, and I didn't think it was partisan.
The press was all there, C-SPAN, you know, film, it was all over.
I got home that night to my hotel, and my office called and said, Tim, we just lost
Over a thousand of our recurring donors.
Those are the most important donors.
Of course.
A thousand have left because you dared to meet with President Trump.
And they said, call them.
Tell them that you would have said the same thing to Obama or Clinton or Bush.
You would have said the same thing.
And it took me two seconds to respond and say, I will not call any of them.
Because they just told me something very important for me to know.
That they hate one man.
They hate one party or one man more than they love rescuing children from a life of rape.
And if that's who you are, I don't want your energy, I don't want your money, I want nothing to do with you.
And that's what I realized.
You know, because your dad, not only was he enforcing the border, which was rescuing children, you know, he was also putting people on the bench that have rescued how many unborn babies?
I mean, he's rescued just multiples of thousands.
And he deployed $300 million into the fight against human trafficking.
No one had done that before.
Yeah, so was that the first sort of
Certainly presidential, you know, sort of movement towards actually doing something about it.
Meaning, everyone has a soundbite, but that was sort of the first time they actually formed a group to look into the practices and what's going on and try to combat it.
I mean, it had always been very bipartisan.
Like, I was always happy with every administration as they came in, whether it was Republican or Democrat.
It was never an issue.
But your father's administration took it to the next level.
There's no question about that.
No question.
In terms of the resources, in terms of speaking about it, standing up for it, you know, the kids on the border.
And it was too much for people.
And so, because he, I think, because he touched it, it has to be bad.
Now.
And so now, now the border's bad.
And they're willing to let children suffer just to say that what's... But it wasn't even the borders that bad.
They literally attacked him for forming
...this council, I guess it was, to look into the issue, right?
It wasn't actually an immigration issue, it was purely... It was purely human trafficking.
...human trafficking, like... Yeah.
And I was sitting in the white, on the West Wing, I was sitting in the Roosevelt Room in October of 2020, and I was meeting with the National Security Advisor and Kash Patel and others were there, and they had this plan.
They had this plan that I was going to be part of that was going to change the entire game of how we were going to attack pedophilia.
We were going to go after them through our embassies overseas and find them hurting kids overseas and then track them back to the U.S.
We want to rescue thousands.
And I was so sad at the decision.
It was going to happen, but obviously we know what happened in 2020.
And then the next administration, everything disappeared.
They hardly talk about it.
Now, that's not to say that the agents on the ground, Homeland Security, they're killer.
They're amazing.
I actually always make that distinction, right?
I think FBI leadership is broken, corrupted.
I think most of these agencies, once the Washington component, the door kickers, the guys on the ground, the guys like you, these are our people.
They're going to lose, if they even say anything remotely, even if it's their job, if you're supportive of Trump.
Publicly, then you're out.
You'll never go anywhere.
If you're a conservative, you saw that with the way they treated people, whether it was with the mandates or whatever.
They were sniffing them out and trying to get the guys that were actually doing God's work out of these agencies so that they can continue their rule.
I always make the distinction between the bureaucrats and the door kickers.
The door kickers, they come up to me every day talking about how upset they are that their agencies have been corrupted and broken.
They can't do their jobs.
And they're not allowed to be public.
I mean, one of the benefits of leaving and privatizing the Rescue Patrol, I could start talking for the first time.
But Border Patrol, I mean, they're furious at Mallorca for what he's doing.
I mean, I don't know if you've seen the exchange with Ted Cruz, where he's like, these guys are making $14 million a day on the border, these traffickers, and they're branding the kids.
It's like a holocaust.
And Mayorkas doesn't even know.
He tells Ted Cruz, I don't know about these bracelets they're putting on the kids to keep their trafficking organized.
He doesn't even know he's in charge.
Well, but does he know and he's just lying?
I do.
Meaning, you know, it almost feels like there's like a tacit acceptance.
Right, they can't sue anything against it because it would go against the rest of Democrat policy, but like, I mean, you're talking, what are some examples, I mean, obviously the movie, but what are some of the other examples of what's going on there?
So people fully understand just how bad this thing is, just how horrific.
I know they know.
I wish I could say they were totally ignorant to it.
I mean, I sat and testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Then Senator Kamala Harris was on that committee.
And all the things I just said, it's obvious.
It's 2 plus 2 equals 4.
And then I see her tweet.
And she talks about Trump's vanity project, the wall.
And she talks about how we don't need a wall.
Because all the seizures and rescues are happening at the ports of entry.
We don't need a wall.
And I'm just going, you cannot congratulate the port of entry without simultaneously congratulating the wall, because the wall makes the port of entry.
Two plus two equals four, and she doesn't get it?
No, I don't think she's that dumb.
Well, I'd argue that, but I'm just kidding.
I think there's an agenda, right?
But there's an agenda, and again, it feels like these people are left...
By the wayside.
Right?
They're just totally forgotten.
It's irrelevant because it's going to hurt a political issue.
And again, I don't know how we got there even as a society.
That, you know, these should be the people that, I mean, the most protected in the world.
They should be, like, look at what they've gone through.
I can't even fathom.
I know in talking to you in the past, there's a reason I made a phone call.
Like, again, you know me.
If I get involved, they'll destroy me and try to kill me.
I was like, hey, you guys should really talk because this is insane.
And like, I'm not naive.
I understand that these problems exist in the world.
But in talking to you then in Utah, you know, seven years ago, whatever it was, six, seven years ago.
No idea just how bad.
Well, it's getting worse.
So where is it worst?
The United States is getting worse.
It used to be more of a, you know, people could almost say that it was foreign.
It's not anymore.
We're the number one consumers of child sex material in the world, sometimes number one producer.
We're in the top three for destination countries for human trafficking because they want to get the kids into our dark markets.
And we're the birthplace of things like manner-attractive persons.
We're the birthplace of normalization, of normalizing sex with children.
I mean, the UN just came out with a report three or four months ago saying it's time to consider decriminalizing
Sex with children!
I read the stuff, and honestly, there's times I think I'm being punked, but I'm like, this is too serious to actually joke about.
But it's actually happening.
It's not a soundbite.
It's not QAnon.
It's not a conspiracy.
They're saying it, and they're saying it out loud.
What does it say about the state of society?
What I consider the scum of the earth.
Like I said, a bullet is the only solution as far as I'm concerned for a lot of this stuff.
Like, for these people.
And I'll get in trouble for saying that, but guess what?
I'm perfectly happy to make that my hill to die on, right?
But that they're being emboldened
To even be able to push these policies in America in 2023.
What does that tell us about the state of the world?
It's terrifying.
For 20 years, I've been hunting pedophiles, and they've always been closeted.
Rogue.
Everyone, they're a pariahs.
Not anymore.
I mean, they put out death warrants for me.
The pedophile networks.
Because they're emboldened, like you said, by leftist policies.
I want to say, I'm not saying the left is pedophiles, but I'm saying they're ignorant to the fact that their policies are exactly what pedophiles have been peddling.
Their policies are making pedophiles happy, making them salivate, because they're grooming policies.
They're policies that are allowing children to be delivered.
You're not allowed to say that.
I know.
Tim, you're not allowed to say that.
No, no, no.
Even if, you know, sort of like Wuhan lab leak theory, right?
You're not allowed to say that it came from the lab that studies the exact virus in question in the Orange, you know, in the town of Orange, like, because of course it came from there.
Right.
Just like the stuff that they say, you can't say, you can't say grimoire, like, well, what else could it be?
It's clear, it's so, there's no other even remotely plausible reason for some of these policies, and yet they do it.
And by the way, I'll give them benefit.
Yeah, I'm sure there's some that are ignorant to that.
There's plenty that aren't.
Because there's no other solution.
There's no other answer to why they'd push them into this thing.
No, there's no other answer, and I think what magnifies your point is the fact that a movie called Sound of Freedom, based on a true story, it's totally, in terms of politics, vanilla.
There's no politics, there's no QAnon.
This should be a 100% issue, but it's not.
Anyone who fights that is hiding something else, and the only thing left we can see they're hiding is all of this stuff.
There's all this agenda around children, enslaving them in the name of liberating them.
That's what they're doing, and we're exposing it.
So, how do these groups work in practice?
You say that even the U.S.
now is becoming a destination, not just for the material, but for actual kids.
Right.
How does that happen in the United States?
How do these networks exist?
How do they not get
I mean, how do they keep that stuff under wraps that they could perform, you know, the most horrific acts known to man, I guess, and feel comfortable functioning?
There are kids in New York City, okay, Homeland Security, my colleagues have worked and I've assisted on cases.
These kids show up, they get trafficked in, I mean, they show up and they are, there's appointments made.
We're good to go.
You know, the previous administration tried to make it a priority, and then the next one has not.
There's about five anti-drug agents, this is anecdotally speaking, but about five anti-drug agents to every one anti-child trafficking agent.
That needs to flip.
And the only way to flip it is make it a priority.
And the only way to make it a priority, I think, is to wake up the people, and I hope Sound of Freedom is that tool.
Well, listen, I think it's doing that.
Again, even a guy like me who's known you for years now and heard the stories, until you actually see it, you don't get it.
We talk about the policies and be like, this has to be this, but until you actually hear those stories, I guess if you're just a decent person, you can't even imagine that there's this level of evil
In the world, but I guess what you're saying is that level of evil exists, and it exists at a much higher and more prolific rate than we could have ever fathomed.
And I do get that.
I mean, I was shocked beyond anything I could imagine.
The first case I did in 2002, I sat down and I was doing this case and I watched this video.
We're good.
And I said to myself, I said to my wife, there's no way this is real.
So I do get it.
I get that decent people can't comprehend it, so it's easier just to pretend it's not happening.
But I'm telling you, I think there's been about 6 million people who've showed up in the last 12 days to watch Sound of Freedom, and they're seeing it, and they're willing to see it.
And that's what's going to change everything now.
I think that's huge.
I'm seeing some of the woke corporate media putting up big money movies and they're losing to Sound of Freedom.
Now, they're pushing a woke agenda that many would accuse of being, let's call it, groomer-like with their corporate policies and stuff like that.
Uh, it's sort of like, you know, Top Gun, right?
Well, it was the one pro-America movie of the year, and it beat everything, because that spirit actually still exists in America, so it's there, even if woke corporate is trying to beat it out of us, even if the mainstream media and big tech are trying to beat
That decency, that the nature of just America, that patriotism, it's under attack daily.
There's a consequence to being a conservative.
I'm not saying you are or aren't, but you saw that something that, again, at any other time in history, you'd say, oh, this is a 100% issue, which doesn't exist in politics.
We should protect children like this.
And it became controversial.
Right.
Well, I think even Piers Morgan and, you know, these guys who we thought were Bill Maher, they're on our side.
You know, they're going, what?
Even they're being honest now.
Like, what happened?
What is going on?
But the one thing, I always believed over the last, since 2016 on, that there has to be the silent majority.
And they're coming out now.
I really think they're coming out.
Because the crazy ones are loud.
But the sound ones who love virtue and see things clearly, they're coming out now.
I think, I don't want to be overly optimistic or presumptuous, but I feel like Sound of Freedom is doing something.
Oh, I think without question.
It's waking people up.
You can't avoid it.
Maybe some of the hate's actually good because you get someone in the middle and be like, well, let me see.
I think it's great.
Call me QAnon, tell me this story's not true, and I will show you the documentary.
We filmed the whole thing.
So talk a little bit about your group.
Because there's the movie and the story, but you've actually made this your life now.
You're doing this.
Talk a little bit about your group.
By the way, talk about how anyone watching this can find
Your group to be able to support, or others that are doing God's work as far as I'm concerned, because it's not about being the dominating group in there.
Let's just save these kids.
So I ran two groups.
One is Operation Underground Railroad, which I founded, and the Nazarene Fund, founded by Glenn Beck.
I've been the CEO for years there.
I recently just retired from both for a reason.
When Sound of Freedom came out, it used to end with the OUR, the Operation Underground Railroad logo.
And I said, and some people at my foundation might not have liked this so much, and I understand that, I said, don't put any logo on this.
Because there's many organizations that are doing amazing work, and we're not the solution to every single kid.
But there is a solution for every kid, so I recently, before the movie came out, I stepped away, and I'm supporting something called the Spear Fund, the spearfund.org, which supports Operation Underground Railroad,
And the Nazarene Fund, but it supports all.
It's a scalable solution where, with resources in the Spear Fund.
We have a mission, this is what we want, so they'll donate to that, whatever it may be.
Whoever's the best rescue for that kid, you're getting the resources, and we'll make sure you get them and help and manage it.
The Spear Fund.
Thespearfund.org, yeah.
So, you know, in your time doing this at those other organizations, how many children do you think you've actually pulled out of this?
Oh, we know.
I mean, it's over 7,000 women and children in 10 years.
About 5,000 arrests that we've assisted on.
That's just Operation Underground alone.
I love that number because studies show that one pedophile or trafficker can hurt up to 117 kids in a lifetime.
So if you put them away in jail, we're upwards of 600,000 kind of rescues that the kids never knew they were rescued, right?
It was a preventative rescue.
Yeah, they were saved before they were absorbed into that world.
I mean, those numbers, and again, of course, those are numbers, who knows how bad, the numbers could be that big of who you actually catch, and I imagine these are sophisticated networks.
Again, how do those networks function, that they can get away with it, that someone can bring a child to a hotel room somewhere,
And people aren't like, hey, wait a minute, this is a problem.
Exactly.
So for years, frankly, I mean, these guys have been working with impunity because there's been no laws, no consequences, no one's looking over their shoulders.
People are kind of apathetic to it.
They go into these high sex zones where prostitution might be legal, but the underbelly of that is not, but no one can detect it, right?
And so by going in and doing operations, we're laying a deterrent effect where it's like there is a consequence, right?
And because of the things the United States and others have done over the last decade or so to kind of bring it to attention, laws have been better.
Laws have been getting better.
There's something in the U.S.
State Department called the Trafficking in Persons Report, which it's a name and shame.
It's rude, but it's effective.
It's like, you suck at this, and if you want grants, you better get better.
So those are things that have helped kind of create new laws, and it's being more effective, and we show up and say, hey, let's help you get from Tier 2 to Tier 1, so the U.S.
government will like you a little better, and here's how you do it, and we'll coach them into how to do the rescue operations.
Are there countries that work with us well on these problems, and who are they, and are there countries that are
Sort of, let's call it, you know, tacitly accepting of it.
And they just say, hey, listen, there's powerful people and we're getting a kickback and we're just going to turn a blind eye.
So I'd say it's yes and no in every one of those countries.
It depends who you're working with.
So this is why we work with our friends at Homeland Security.
We go to the embassy first, even as private groups, and we'll say, look, show us who you trust.
Your vetted units, we call them.
People that you work with that are foreign nationals.
And they make sure that we stay with the groups that have been vetted, U.S.
background checks, and we've seen a lot of success when we do it that way.
What would you want the key takeaway of the movie to be for people?
Do you want them to wake up to the level of the atrocity that's out there?
The volume of the atrocity?
A little bit of everything?
What's the goal there?
Well the number one thing, I don't want people to think that this is a story about kids in Columbia.
There's a trailer that Angel Studios put out and the backdrop kind of music is My Country Tis of Thee.
And I cried when I watched it.
Why?
Because this is an American problem.
And I want people to wake up to the fact that one reason, I mean I'm out of ops now, my face has been everywhere.
You're not going to be so good undercover.
Right, my undercover days are gone.
But I used to believe, I used to believe that maybe I'd be out of a job someday because we rescued all the kids.
I now fear that I'd be out of a job someday because all the laws that I need
That we need to protect children and prosecute the bad guys are disappearing.
Laws of consent.
Laws that allow children to consent to whatever, which means they'll be able to consent to sex with an adult.
I mean, you can't say, you can consent to gender mutilation at 13, but not consent to having sex with a 40 year old.
Or a 3.
Yeah!
I mean, it's not 13 anymore, I mean, they're trying to go, I mean, you go to kindergarten and you could come home, you know, literally missing body parts because, you know, your teacher convinced literally the most impressionable mind in the world that they, you know, that, you know, I thought I was an airplane when I was a kid for a couple of days, you know what I mean?
Like, you know, my parents were like, oh, you urinated again?
Like, relax.
Like, they didn't let me jump off a building.
Right.
But it seems like today,
There are, you know, it's almost like, I look at some of the Hollywood people, right?
It almost is, like, to me that, like, a trans kid or something like that is, it's like an accessory.
You know, like, you're not cool if you don't have a trans kid.
That's right.
And again, that may not be part of this issue, but it's sort of the normalization of some of these things, the consent.
Yeah, of course my five-year-old knows what he's talking about.
It's like, well, that kid couldn't buy a pack of cigarettes for 15 years.
What are you talking about?
Like, you know, couldn't have a drink, but they could decide to literally chop off body parts based on, you know, and then, you know, trying to get around parental consent.
Why is it that you do see
We're good.
Or this, right?
There's multiple levels of that depravity.
I think what's happening is the people that are pushing these agendas have been so loud, and the silent majority have been so quiet, that it's almost like, if you don't accept this, you will be cancelled.
It's cancelled culture.
Like Jim Caviezel, right, who plays me in the film.
I mean, this guy will not, he will not bend, he will not compromise, and he doesn't get jobs.
Because he's always been who he is, and he says the truth about children, about his faith.
And the others, they compromise.
Like, oh shoot, it'll be popular for me to say that allowing kids to gender mutilate is A-OK, and a three-year-old can say they're in the wrong body, that's blah.
You watch it happening.
I mean, they slip up sometimes and say it, then they gotta apologize if they want to get a job.
So I think that's what it is, but I think that changes now.
I hope it changes with Sound of Freedom.
The silent majority, we've been waiting for them to rise up and be so loud that that becomes the normal again.
Sanity becomes the normal again.
So I'm hoping that we can find that place now.
Obviously they can contribute.
How do regular people help fight this?
Are there ways they can figure out that these networks are happening in their backyards?
Are there things that people can look for?
Trafficking networks work.
How do you catch them?
Perhaps without giving a trick.
I don't want to make it easier for them to avoid you, but I assume they know because they seem like, as sick as these people are, it does seem like there's a sophisticated network and a lot of money and money moves mountains.
So it's all about access points, right?
It's about where do predators find kids?
Now, in the old days, even when you and I were kids, it was playgrounds and parks, or a dirty uncle.
That's kind of where it ended.
Not anymore.
There's thousands of access points now, social media and all that that implies.
And so, in order to answer that question, I actually executive produced a documentary called It's Happening Right Here.
Because people kept saying, it's not happening in America.
No, no.
It's happening right here.
So that film is on Amazon Prime right now, ready for people to watch.
And it tells you about those access points.
And you have to be aware.
Because the problem is, parents, if you're my age or older, you didn't have the internet as a kid.
You didn't have access to porn as a kid.
As much as we wanted to find it, right?
We couldn't find it!
I have no idea what you're talking about, Tim.
I don't know.
Maybe.
I can't imagine a 14-year-old with his phone.
I can just go like this.
So parents don't know what it's like to have that pressure and have that temptation and have those access points.
So we've got to expose the access points and have parents be educated to them.
Because all the networks, that's what they're using.
They've got to get your kid.
And they're not going to the playgrounds anymore.
So it's going to be a tech-based... It's a tech-based solution.
Yeah, and that's the interesting stuff.
You saw, you know, what's called, at least, original Twitter.
It was like, we have here a report.
That's child porn.
Well, we're not going to remove that.
They'll remove Donald Trump, the President of the United States, from having a Twitter account, but we're not going to get rid of the child porn on it.
Again, how is that socially acceptable?
Why is tech seemingly... It feels like they could push a button and make a lot of this stuff stop.
But they're not.
They're not, and they need to.
They need to be exposed.
I mean, they need to do more.
They need to be more proactive.
What could they do to be proactive?
Because, again, you see it.
You've seen the stories about people being like, this is my child.
Please take it off.
You're distributing.
We're not going to do that.
I mean, Twitter fought a lawsuit about it when it was clear.
I don't know the exact details, but it seemed like there was clear evidence that this was minor.
Here's the police case.
We're not going to remove that.
I was like, wait a minute.
I know if I say something that's conservative, they would have doxxed me and written me off.
So, how do they become more proactive?
How do we force them to become more proactive on the issue?
Because it seems like they're pretty laissez-faire.
People need to get loud.
There's tools that exist.
For example, there's a group called Humans Against Trafficking out of San Diego.
Amazing.
And they created this software that actually, it's using AI technology and it goes in and it finds kids who are being...
Groomed!
And instantly, based on like, okay, the kid's depressed, the kid's saying things like, my parents hate me, the kid's showing less and less clothing and more and more skin tones, right?
It picks it up.
It goes into the comments instantly.
Oh, I'm a photographer.
Can I meet you for a shoot?
Interesting.
So some of this is not...
Like, just a kid that gets picked up and snatched.
There's almost an evolution of the kid, and these groups prey on those social weaknesses, on the insecurities.
Right.
They know exactly what to do.
They know exactly who to look for.
And then it's just, meet me at the studio, sweetie.
And that's it.
They're gone.
They're gone.
And I know the group, Humans Against Trafficking, they took it to the big tech, and they said, no.
Here, for free.
I'm not even going to sell it to you.
Take it and use it, and now you can help these kids who are vulnerable.
Preventative rescues.
No, we don't want anything to do with this.
So the people have got to get loud.
We've got to push.
The tools do exist.
They're just not willing to put them out there.
So, what's your response to Rolling Stone magazine?
We touched on it a little bit earlier, but when they're like, the movie gives a false perception of child trafficking.
I mean, what's like...
Honestly, it's hard to maintain composure.
For me especially.
You want to take this person and be like, listen.
A false perception.
The problem is I was there.
And many others were there.
And we filmed it.
A documentary is coming out called Triple Take Angel Studios is putting out.
What's it called?
Triple Take.
Triple take.
And it's just like, what do you mean a false perception?
What they're doing is they're saying, well, trafficking looks like something different sometimes in other countries.
Sure.
That's fine.
But this is a true story, and this is how it happened, and how it's still happening here.
So it's all smoke and mirrors, though.
It's all just trying to distract and try to discredit for, I think, like I said, they don't want to have the larger conversation about how their agendas are hurting kids.
Yeah.
How does the trafficking issue, you mentioned your wife and when she brought up her salvation, how does faith come into it?
Because it does feel like there's also the same groups attacking that or the same groups attacking faith.
That's right.
And decency across that.
How does that play in it for you?
Everything for me.
I wouldn't do any of this if it weren't for the sentiment that my wife expressed to me about her salvation.
I believe that as well.
And they keep calling this film a faith-based movie, and I wouldn't call it that.
I would say that the people behind it certainly are.
But this is really just based on a true story.
But Jim Caviezel says a line in the film.
It's one of my favorite scenes, and he ad-libbed the line.
And he leaned across the table before this pedophile.
I don't want a spoiler alert.
Leans across the table and looks at this pedophile in the eyes and ad-libs this line and he says, he just says, better that a millstone be hung about your neck and you tossed to the bottom of the sea than that you should hurt one of these little ones, quoting Matthew 18.
And the actor who was playing the pedophile didn't know what to do and they caught him.
His reaction is what the final take was and he's like, what?
What does that mean?
And then Jim kind of smiles at him and the cops come in.
But for me, I was so blessed to hear that line because I repeat that line to myself.
I am a person of faith.
I believe that I know that God, where God stands on this.
I mean, this is Jesus speaking violence, but it's righteous violence.
This is mafioso.
This is cement shoes kind of stuff, right?
He's saying better than a millstone and you sink to the sea, right?
So I feel like, okay, I can take some courage then.
I think Jesus doesn't like this very much.
And God doesn't like this, and I feel like I can take courage that I can go to dark places and have that backing.
Because if I didn't have that, or I didn't believe that, I'm telling you, I wouldn't do it.
I'd be too scared.
So is it that the critics don't understand?
Is it that they don't want to understand?
You know, again, what's missing?
I've seen some crazy stuff in the last few years of my life, right?
It changed drastically when we got into politics, but like, again, I still can't fathom a point where this isn't a 100% issue.
Let's say, minus the people who are actually partaking in it.
You know, when things are so irrational, and this might sound extreme, but it's what I believe, I mean, when things are so irrational that we can't make sense of them, why wouldn't you all be a part of this?
Again, even eight years ago, Rolling Stone, The Guardian, all those who were attacking us, applauded the very operation.
They reported on the October 11, 2014 operation that is the film, that's the real story.
They reported on it.
Spiritual warfare is real.
That's what I believe.
And so sometimes you just look at it like this is, this is beyond just the physicality.
There's something, there's things we can't even see going on that are influencing good and evil and I feel like that line is getting clearer and clearer and there's less and less middle ground as we move forward right now.
Are there people in, you know, in government currently that are helping on this issue?
Do you think that the movie will wake up some of those people?
To make it a priority, right?
Or is that not even going to happen because it's just not a priority?
I think it's going to happen.
I think everybody, for example, my bias and my connection was Homeland Security Investigations, where I came from.
I've never met anyone who's in the leadership that I've had access to who didn't say, we've got to switch this.
We can't have five drug agents every anti-trafficking
Well, I think they signed
What was it, nine?
Pieces of, like, bipartisan legislation, you know, at the time on that.
You know, what were some of those?
Which ones were effective?
Which ones could be effective but haven't been implemented?
Etc.
So that we can, you know, again, a lot of people watched this, hopefully the movie, just people talking about that creates that sense of urgency, right?
Nothing happens in Washington, D.C.
if people aren't loud.
Once they start getting loud, then it becomes a priority.
So the whole point of legislation that came out of that administration was
Trying to change that number.
You only have five drug users, everyone, and that's somewhat anecdotal, everyone anti-trafficking, switch it.
So it was about, it was increasing the budgets for anti-trafficking work.
And that's what was happening.
And it was also enforcing the border.
Enforcing the border is saving kids.
And so these, all that, also, I mean, your father, it was over $300 million, I believe.
It was an insane amount of money that went directly into things like aftercare services.
We have a huge lack of beds in the United States for victims, for survivors of human trafficking, and that was all shifting.
It was all moving.
Things were changing.
I told you I was in a meeting, like I said, in October 2020 in the Roosevelt Room, and we were hatching a plan.
That had Donald Trump been re-elected, that plan would have gone into effect and it would have rescued tens of thousands of kids.
I mean, I was going to be put in the point of it.
I know it would have happened.
I was devastated for that alone.
I weeped for the children who weren't going to get saved because of that.
And I know it sounds dramatic and people are going to hit me for this and try to cancel me.
I don't care.
Guess what?
If they do, I promise you, maybe Rolling Stone will have their take, and maybe The Guardian or one of these leftist organizations will have their take.
I promise you, the people will not.
But you brought up an interesting point just there, which was, you know, I'm thinking about, well, you rescued the kid.
Great.
Well, what's next?
Right.
I mean, after a child has been through this, right?
Not just kidnapped, but like, you know, brutalized and raped, in many cases for years or hundreds of times.
Right.
Can that child ever expect
To recover?
I mean, obviously it's going to be different, every person's going to react differently, but, you know, how much of this is not just, you know, finding and rescuing kids, but how much has to go into it afterwards?
Because I can't imagine, I mean, we talk about PTSD, imagine what, I mean...
I can't even fathom what that could do to a psyche.
There is no rescue until there's healing.
In fact, every time I've been running any organization, or any operation, whether it's through OUR or the Nazarene Fund or whatever, the aftercare piece comes first.
We sit down and that's the plan we design first.
Yeah, because I guess, I would think you'd have children that are suicidal.
If you take them and nothing happens, what else are they going to do?
They know no other life probably after
Oh, if you do operations without aftercare, you're actually doing, it's a net negative.
Because I've seen it happen, where they, oh, we get a rescue and everyone runs home, and the kid gets two days of an interview, kicked out to the parking lot, the trafficker picks him up, beats the snot out of him, and now they'll never trust law enforcement again.
So that aftercare piece is the crucial piece.
It's the most important piece.
It's the most difficult piece.
Well, it's got to be also time and money.
Lots of time and money, both.
You know, unfortunately, we have to deal with the reality of the world, right?
Time and money, you know, is that a big part of that funding that you're also, that these organizations have?
Absolutely.
At the Spear Fund, we're putting probably more or equal money into the aftercare side as we do into the rescue side.
The kids that you see rescued on that island in the Sound of Freedom, we stayed with them.
They got great aftercare services from an organization called Reynacer in Colombia, and we've tracked with them.
They're young adults now, we're providing
Grants for them, helping them get through school.
And they're actually coming up to Miami in August.
Oh, really?
Because they're so happy about this film, and they want to tell their side of the story.
So these are the actual... The actual kids that were rescued on that island.
And I invited Rolling Stone and The Guardian to come interview the kids.
Let me guess.
I dare you.
I dare you guys to go tell these kids that they're part of some kind of QAnon conspiracy.
Well, they won't show up.
They won't show up.
It'll be too awkward, right?
But these are real kids.
Well, I mean, so that's going to happen in August?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I think that has to be so important because, I mean, it puts a real face to the issue, right?
You know, you have a movie, but you see these kids, and more importantly, you see that they're
There is a chance at success, right?
It's not just, again, the rescue, but it's, you know, if these kids, they want to come up and they want to tell that story, they want to expose, whether it's these groups, whether it's the practices, whether it's, like, I mean, I can't think of anything more powerful, so I'm sure you'll get all sorts of help for actually doing something that can be really effective in combating that, but, I mean, that's, I mean, that's what you need.
I mean, you need
To put sort of the icing on the cake of the movie is you need the success story.
Right.
Not just the rescue, but that child had a chance at a life.
There's a little kid in the film named Simba.
He's got this hair.
That kid is now in his early 20s.
He became an advocate for human trafficking, fighting human trafficking.
He'd go into the streets where trafficking was happening.
He found, like two or three years ago, he found this young girl who was being trafficked and she was pregnant, having been raped.
And he caught her on the moment that she was gonna, she told him, I'm going home, I'm either gonna abort, for sure abort the baby, but probably just kill myself too.
He convinced her not to.
This is a kid we rescued, right?
He convinced her not to and said, if you have the baby,
I'm recently married, I will adopt your baby."
And she didn't kill herself, she had the baby, he adopted that child, and he's now raising this child born of trafficking, right?
So it's like, these are the stories that are coming out now.
This is how we know it works.
It works.
The kind of cycle here of the survivor becoming the rescuer, right?
And so these are the stories that are going to really, I think, just smack in the face of these leftist, godless liars.
So what is that?
Assuming they have access.
We're good to go.
There has to be so much more, but if you can get that, what do you think that success rate is?
I mean, I imagine there's some that, you know, it's just so, you know, it's awful and I wish it wasn't the case, but you also have to deal with the reality.
But if you had the funds, the facilities, some psychiatrists or whatever it is, all of the above, what do you think that success rate could realistically be?
It's higher than most people would think, if you stay with them.
We say to the kids that we help, you're our family forever.
It never ends.
It's not like when you're 18 it's done.
No, forever.
I'm texting almost every day with some of the kids we rescued on that island 10 years ago.
I'm still talking to them and we're helping them.
Unfortunately, some don't make it.
Some, we lose some to suicide.
We lose some just run away and they can't have, they go back into that industry because they don't know, they don't think they can be anything else.
I remember talking to one kid that we rescued and just in conversation like trying to distract and talk about whatever.
What's your favorite color?
Thinking I was avoiding something deeper.
And the kid said, literally said to me, I'm not allowed to have a favorite color.
I'm like, whoa!
That's how the traffickers had rewired this kid.
You are a commodity.
You're not a person.
You don't get to have thoughts or hopes or dreams.
So a lot of it is just...
Dream!
And let us help you fulfill the dream.
It's going to go beyond just discovering what your favorite color is, too, by the way.
What do you want to do?
What do you want to be?
We'll facilitate that.
To give them that option and make them recognize that they are truly a child of God.
I love the line in the film when Caviezel says, God's children are not for sale.
You are God's child.
You get to do whatever you want to do.
You're a free agent.
Let us help you.
And that's when you start seeing hope.
In other countries around the world, you'd sort of mentioned sex tourism earlier.
That's a reality, but I guess it further degenerates into some of this.
What are the countries that are the most prolific offenders of that, that, let's say, enable this?
Because I think people should know, just because I imagine if their industry is hurt by people not going to them for legitimate tourism, maybe they'd actually start acting to
To prevent the more nefarious side of things.
So it's, I mean, really any tourist town you see, Southeast Asia has a very high rate of that kind of stuff.
Amsterdam, and this is interesting, this opens up a little bit.
Really?
Yeah.
Because I understand that, you know, obviously you have sort of notorious red light districts and all that stuff there.
But there's sort of, there's an underground to that.
That's right, that's the point.
I got in a debate with Dennis Prager, I was on his show, and I, like him, I'm very libertarian.
And he's like, I'm opposed to prostitution, but the government shouldn't be involved with consenting adults.
I agree with that, but I was making the point, and I said, Dennis, here's the problem that maybe some people don't see, is when you create a sex market, you're legitimizing pimps.
And calling them businessmen.
They're never going to show you the product that they have, what they call product, that they can sell for five times what they're selling, what they're showing you.
They'll never show you that, but you legitimize them, they have a certificate from the government framed on their wall, and you're paying tax, they're paying taxes, and you'll never see the 12 kids that they have laced throughout five hotels.
And those kids will be trapped forever.
So it's a bad idea to legalize sex.
New York State's looking at it.
Other states are looking at doing kind of what... Well, I mean, yeah.
Again, I understand the libertarian argument on some of these things, but I guess that's the consequence.
And is that sort of...
You don't want to use the word freedom, but it's that ability to do those things.
If this is the end result, then how do you weigh it?
If it hurts kids that bad, then it's not a protective freedom, because you're actually doing the opposite.
You're enslaving children.
Are there statistics in these areas where that is common?
Or legalized, you know, where, you know, there's, hey, X percent actually happens to be this.
What's that look like?
What's that ratio?
I don't, I don't, I mean, I've seen the studies, I don't have them before me right now, but yes, absolutely, we can, we can show, we can prove that there's a causal relationship, cause and effect, this is what happens.
The rate of child exploitation increases significantly in legalized adult sex zones, absolutely.
Has anyone done it where they've been able to prevent that or not?
Not yet, no.
Because it's just the nature of it.
No, people make the argument that, no, the government now has access to the pimp, so now they'll be able to look.
No, they don't.
Look, everybody's under-resourced.
Every country in the world, including the United States, doesn't have enough manpower to investigate child crimes.
You're sucking the resources just to legitimize this business and have compliance officers going in and shaking hands and making sure HIV tests are done.
No, you're sucking resources that you already need, they'll never find those kids.
I didn't even think about that.
By legalizing you create the bureaucracy that uses up the resources to actually prevent the stuff that would be not intended.
What can everyone here, anyone watching, what can they do
To help.
Again, everyone's like, hey, I love that you're doing X-Way.
And this is not for anything.
Well, what's the next step?
How do they take, I think the big thing or key theme of this show is, hey, you've got to become unafraid.
There's consequences to being on our side, at least if I'm looking at the political side, but if you don't do this, that apathy is far worse than any
I mean, it's hard to believe that you can have the story that you have with the people that you've saved in this and still be vilified.
I'm a villain.
I'm a villain.
No, but it's lunacy.
It's lunacy to even talk about it, but that's where we are.
I think people watching have to understand that.
And be able to combat it.
How do they do that?
How can someone who isn't an agent, isn't undercover, how can they help?
So what I'd say is when you leave Sound of Freedom, something will happen to you.
I mean, these guys, these are geniuses.
Alejandro Monteverde, Eduardo Verastegui, geniuses.
The movie begins when you leave the theater.
And when you walk out of that theater, I'd ask you, don't be afraid to be cancelled.
Take one out of the page of Don.
Don't be afraid to be cancelled!
Because if you want to stand up for kids these days, you're going to be cancelled.
People are going to hate on you because the solutions are coming from a place where
There's a big portion of the country that doesn't want you to expose it, doesn't want you to talk about it.
And two, I mean I would tell people, not to just sound like to simplify it, but we, I really believe in this new thing called the spearfund.com, go to it, or the spearfund.org, go to it, help us, because it's a scalable approach where everyone's included.
If a kid's hurt, we will find the solution to them and rapidly deploy.
And they're doing some of the diligence, so to speak.
Correct.
These guys are doing it better, so we're going to channel more resources there.
Correct.
It's almost like capitalistic.
And kids deserve that.
So spearfund.org?
The spearfund.org.
Picture a kid suffering in hell.
I want to send them the best.
And the best will be whatever we find out is the best in that moment.
And they'll get the rapid resources and they'll deploy immediately.
Awesome, man.
Well, Tim, thank you for doing what you're doing.
Guys, make sure you go see The Sound of Freedom.
Make sure you check out these organizations.
Make sure you have these conversations.
Again, I get it.
No one's going to look back on this in time and be like, that was controversial for you to bring this up.
We've got to put an end to this nonsense right now.
I can't think of
I can't think of anything, frankly, more important to our salvation.
So I'm just glad that you did it.
I'm glad you're putting it out there.
It's really important, man.
So thanks so much for doing this.
And guys, make sure to check it out.
Thanks so much, man.
Thank you.
Good seeing you.
Thank you.
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