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April 6, 2023 - Triggered - Donald Trump Jr

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Equal Justice is Dead: Live with Revolver News Founder Darren Beattie | TRIGGERED Ep. 22

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	good evening guys and welcome to another episode of triggered
	Today, we're joined by Darren Beattie, the founder and editor of Revolver News.
	Darren's going to break down the state of the country and talk about some of his exclusive reporting, some really amazing stuff.
	He's the guy that broke the original Ray Epps story, literally just in talking a few minutes ago.
	Some of those additional connections, to me, it sounds like this is going to be yet another Of about the 100% of conspiracy theories that later proved to be 100% accurate because of course they were and they were always rooted in common sense and logic and at all times they were always the most plausible answer.
	He was also the guy that broke the story about the January 6th pipe bombs which seemed to disappear from the news.
	You would think That if it wasn't a setup, that perhaps you'd hear a little bit more about it.
	You'd think that maybe there'd be a little effort, like more than nothing, to try to find that, but it almost feels like maybe there didn't need to be an effort because they were able to manufacture whatever else they needed from the rest of January 6th that...
	They didn't need to go to the extremes of the pipe bombs.
	They could manufacture the crisis just fine with what they were given and what they withheld from the American public.
	But before we get into that, the political persecution of my father in New York reminds us all what the stakes of the fight that we are in are.
	The left is playing for keeps, guys.
	And I've been saying this for a long time.
	We're playing t-ball.
	While they're playing hardball.
	They want their opponents in jail, their children's genitals mutilated.
	They seem to be just fine with that.
	That seems to be one of the pillars of the Democrat Party these days.
	They want our borders open, allowing fentanyl and human trafficking to run rampant and kill people.
	Our children, our loved ones, our friends and neighbors all over the country.
	They want criminals to run free and our country to be unrecognizable.
	We have no choice, folks.
	We have none. But to fight.
	The Marxists are not letting up.
	They will not let up.
	They were never going to let up.
	And frankly, I think what this week showed us all is that we are so further gone than we ever imagined.
	It just took Trump to show it to everyone, right?
	We probably went and crossed the Rubicon quite a while ago, but they give us the illusion of freedom and the illusion of Thought.
	And we can pretend that we're all these things until you actually try to do it like Trump did.
	That's when they lose their minds.
	So, the Alvin Bragg New York City District Attorney indictment is already falling apart.
	They've all come out and admitted that this Bragg case is total bullshit.
	Okay? CNN analysts are out there calling it, let's just say, underwhelming.
	And if that's coming from CNN, You know it's really underwhelming.
	Check it out. Not be.
	Your reaction now that you've had a chance to go through it, is it what you thought it was going to be and are you unimpressed?
	It is what I thought it was going to be in terms of focusing on the payments that were made, the falsification of the records and really tied to the payment that was made to Stormy Daniels in terms of a case that's being brought against a former president It's a little underwhelming.
	There's not more to it.
	There's not more violations, tax violations.
	There's not an incredible new set of facts that we didn't know about publicly.
	It's really the facts of this case as they have existed for basically almost seven years.
	But that's not what they were hoping for, folks.
	Remember, just like Russia, Russia, Russia, just like Impeachment 1 and 2 and Ukraine hoax and every other hoax they've lied to us about over the last seven years, they were hoping for so much more.
	Remember, the walls are closing in.
	They've been closing in forever, folks.
	And if that's the best that CNN can come up with, you know it's a disaster.
	But that isn't it.
	Even Jeb Bush...
	And John Bolton have come out and said that this case is garbage and they probably hate Trump more than CNN, which is hard to believe.
	What do you think of the indictment?
	Well, speaking as someone who very strongly does not want Donald Trump to get the Republican presidential nomination, I'm extraordinarily distressed by this document.
	I think this is even weaker than I feared it would be.
	And I think it's easily subject to being dismissed or a quick acquittal for Trump.
	Just speaking, going back to the days when I represented Jim Buckley and Gene McCarthy and the constitutional challenge to the underlying federal statute here passed in 1974, I can say there is no basis in the statutory language to say that Trump's behavior forms either a contribution or an expenditure under federal law, the two key definitions at issue here.
	If it did, it would mean that every single expenditure a candidate made could be taken to have something to do with this campaign.
	Do I buy a $1 comb to comb my hair or a $10 comb to comb my hair?
	If you can construe the statute to cover this behavior, then I think it violates the First Amendment because you're deeply into territory that makes this statute absolutely, a federal statute, too vague for enforcement.
	And as what I understood the district attorney to say that he thinks there's a New York election law involved here, all I can say is the Federal Election Campaign Act absolutely preempts any state or local law to the contrary.
	How could it be otherwise?
	You've got one law governing corporate finance in a presidential election at the federal level.
	You're going to have 50 state laws interfering with it.
	So he's just wrong on the applicability of the New York statute.
	Now, we all understand John Bolton doesn't love Donald Trump because Donald Trump doesn't want to go to war with everyone.
	But so far, it seems as though everyone is in agreement that Bragg's case is nonsense and that he's weaponizing the justice system for political purposes, like the fascists.
	Remember the fascists?
	Like, everyone's a fascist when you say anything against the Democrat Party, but when they do it, they're fighting for democracy, folks!
	Guess what? No one that's a conservative has done anything near fascism, and yet everything that the Democrat Party stands for these days is exactly that, right?
	It's the old Saul Owenski rules for radicals.
	Accuse them of doing the stuff that you're doing, and we all know where the Democrat Party is and the things they're doing, and they should be honestly embarrassed.
	And any of the former leaders of that party would be rolling over in their graves understanding what's going on there right now.
	Where are the Democrats, though, calling for Alvin Bragg to resign?
	Unless they can call it nonsense, they can realize it's not there, but still be tacitly accepting of the fact that you'd weaponize the full force and strength of the United States government to go after the leader of the opposition party.
	Which is exactly what's going on.
	See, even though the left recognizes that Bragg is abusing his power, they won't call for him to resign because they want him to abuse his power.
	That's who they are.
	That's what they've done.
	All you have to do is look back.
	And again, until Trump...
	It was the same, but we didn't see it because they didn't need to lose their minds.
	The pendulum has corrected so far.
	Trump brought that out in them because he didn't want to be in endless wars.
	He wanted to be and was able to become energy independent.
	He was able to fight for the American worker rather than the donor class and the billionaire class that all the Democrats are.
	They want to defeat us at all costs, and they don't care if they destroy the country in the process, since it's pretty clear they hate America anyway, right?
	And of course the media is happy to help them do their bidding each and every moment of the day.
	For example, during my father's speech on Tuesday night, as he's literally talking about the weaponization Of America and its institutions and government.
	ABC News actually blurred out the text 88022 sign.
	Like the Trump campaign donation sign that was on his podium.
	They blurred it out. Notice they don't do that when Joe Biden speaks and he has that.
	Or probably any other Republicans.
	But they blurred out a campaign message from a declared candidate.
	In the presidential race in America in 2024.
	Now we understand that ABC News is a subsidiary of Walt Disney Corporation.
	So it shouldn't surprise anyone that these woke clowns would do that.
	But to me that sounds like an in-kind contribution to the Democrat Party.
	My father's raised north of $10 million since the indictment because people realize he's the only one that can push back.
	He's the only one willing to go up against these lunatics.
	He's the only one willing to burn it all down.
	And now, after what they've done to him, I think they're even more afraid.
	How is that not election interference?
	How is it not?
	How is that not an in-kind contribution?
	They can just arbitrarily decide who gets what and gets to say what.
	Think of how insane this is.
	From one of the major news stations in America, and of course, they're as woke as they come because they're owned by Disney, and I'm sure that came from higher up.
	Same people that want to jam drag queen story hours and drag queen this and drag queen that and everything's drag queen and trans shit down your throats all day.
	They're going to blur out A little donation thing on Trump's podium.
	You can't make it up, folks.
	And just when you think there has to be an end in sight, look at what happened in Chicago.
	This week, defund the police advocate was elected Chicago mayor, right?
	They lost Lori Lightfoot.
	They got rid of her because crime was through the roof.
	The city's falling apart.
	She was incompetent.
	And yet they fill the void with someone who's probably going to be worse.
	Crime, as we all know, is out of control in Chicago.
	Thousands and thousands of people are carjacked every year, murdered, shot drive-bys.
	Businesses are fleeing the city.
	People are afraid to go to work.
	They have to travel in droves because you can't get there, can't get anywhere without getting mugged.
	So how do Chicago voters respond?
	They respond by elected someone who supported the defund the police movement and defended looters.
	Seriously, someone who defended the looters.
	This is Brandon Johnston, the next mayor of Chicago.
	Watch for yourselves. We don't want a society that is acting out of desperation, but you have to pay attention to the cries that people have.
	So you're not condoning looting?
	There's no way to embrace that.
	What I'm saying is you can't condone the looting that corporations continue to do every single day when they take
	tax dollars from black brown white folks all over the city of Chicago so that they can try.
	We know the mayor of Chicago here like we're rebuked this call to redirect money to defund this failed, you know,
	system of incarceration and policing.
	you You know, so whether it's the president of the United States, you know, calling it a catchy hashtag or phrase, Lori Lightfoot, Which I think is actually quite dismissive of the young people who are literally putting their lives on the line for a cause that I think,
	quite frankly, is not just admirable, but is necessary.
	You know who else is putting their lives on the line for a cause that's actually admirable, not some sort of social justice and loot a Gucci store for kicks because it's okay if it's for social justice, but police.
	The men and women in blue who risk their lives daily protecting our freedoms, our liberties, everything that we hold near and dear in America.
	This guy wants to defund the police in a city that is literally known for being ravaged by crime.
	There's nothing admiral about that, okay?
	It's necessary to have police.
	He wants to say it's necessary to defund them.
	Think of how insane that is.
	Over 280,000 people voted for that guy.
	Brandon Johnson's.
	The Teachers Union, of course, which jammed all that stuff down their throats so they can work less and make sure that our kids continue to fail while spending more per child than any country in the world.
	But again, hey, they'll get guys like this elected who will make sure they take care of them and...
	You know, force toddlers to wear masks and be big donors to them.
	They're evil. They don't want to work.
	They've failed miserably at everything that they do.
	But hey, they're big supporters of these guys, and so they'll keep getting what they want while your children and ours continue to get a shitty education in America.
	You go to places like Chicago or San Francisco or certainly New York these days and you feel sad about cities going downhill.
	I grew up in New York.
	I've seen it with my own eyes.
	Kimberly, my fiance, she grew up in San Francisco and she was very involved there.
	I built Trump Chicago in Chicago.
	I spent three, four days a week there for three or four years as that building was being built when I was in my 20s and early 30s.
	So I know about these things.
	And you can't help but feel sad for cities going to crap.
	But you have to remind yourself that the leftists want this.
	They keep getting choices.
	To reorient the path that they're on.
	And nope, they just keep putting anti-police radicals in office.
	So if they're willing to destroy the cities that they live in, what makes you think they care about the fate of the rest of the country?
	That should be pretty obvious at this point.
	The left is attacking everybody.
	Every corner.
	Every institution of America.
	From election integrity to law and order to even, honestly, the differences between men and women.
	Because yet again, yet another major company is caving to the woke trans mafia.
	Nike is now using trans influencer Dylan Mulvaney as the new face of women's workout gear.
	Like, you can't make it up!
	It's ridiculous!
	Look at the clip and see for yourself.
	Why are these major companies so eager to rebrand and actually remove women
	from the face of women's brands or from women's sports?
	It's like the Trans Mafia has kidnapped the marketing director of these major companies, like their children is holding them hostage.
	I can think of no other explanation.
	What could possibly be the explanation for how this tiny group of people...
	The CDC says 0.6% of the adult population, so if you add in kids, significantly less.
	How does that group have more power than any other social group in this country, it seems?
	Let's be clear...
	At this point, I don't think that if you're trans, you're at any sort of social disadvantage.
	You're actually way ahead of the system in anything.
	They'll play victim, but give me a break.
	It also seems like Nike is 100% fine pushing anything Every ridiculous stereotype of women that should have been disbanded over the last few decades because a trans person thinks that's how a woman acts these days, I guess. This is a biological male dancing around and prancing
	around like a lunatic, and that's supposed to be the face of women's sports,
	apparently. I don't know how to think of it any other way. Literally, stereotypes, many of which
	died probably before I was even born, are being pushed because a dude is pretending to be a
	woman, and I guess that makes it okay.
	This is an insult to actual women. This is especially an insult to women athletes and
	female athletes all over the world who have worked their asses off to be at the top of
	their games.
	And yet, Dylan Mulvaney, just like other trans athletes will swoop in and steal women's scholarships to game that system.
	It's happening. Notice it only goes one way.
	So the men that become women, never the women that become men that are stealing these scholarships and winning national championships or fracturing their skull in the ring or whatever it may be.
	Are these companies just obsessed with trying to boost their ESG scores like that actually matters, like anyone actually cares?
	Because they keep doubling down and literally alienating their entire customer base.
	Jack Daniels, another one this week.
	Did the same thing.
	Having a drag queen thing ad as though they think that that's somehow their base.
	So hopefully these companies will learn, but I don't know.
	They keep doing it, and I don't think, I haven't heard any stories about marketing directors' children being held hostage, but again, how has one lunatic fringe group that was by our own medical institutions up until a couple short years ago Dubbed mentally ill, how have they taken control of every aspect of American culture?
	I have five kids.
	I heard of story hours every once in a while.
	Maybe a school did it.
	How did drag queen story hour become a thing that it's everywhere?
	Regular story hour isn't everywhere.
	These things don't just happen everywhere.
	And I've got five kids. I would have heard about them.
	And yet, magically, Drag Queen Story Hour starts popping up everywhere.
	It's almost as though it's a setup.
	It's almost as though there is a plan to indoctrinate our children, to jam this stuff down their throats, to make sure that anyone who speaks out against it faces a social consequence.
	Because they've done a good job of that.
	God knows I know the hate I get, but I don't care.
	Because we can't allow this insanity to continue.
	And it gets worse.
	Because up in Canada, a politician named Kristen Wong Tam proposed legislation to criminalize offensive remarks within 100 meters of a drag queen story hour.
	Think about that. To criminalize.
	Like, you go to jail for saying something offensive within 100 meters or about 109 yards of a drag queen story hour.
	Watch for yourself. Enables the Attorney General to create a 2SLGBTQI plus community safety zone to prohibit within 100 meters of the property any homophobic, transphobic act of intimidation, threat, offensive threats, offensive remarks, protest disturbance and distribution of hate propaganda within the meaning of the criminal code.
	It also comes with it a penalty of $25,000 if prosecuted successfully.
	$25,000. Remember, Canada's one of those places where, like, I thought we had, you know, maybe a little bit of free speech, and maybe that's what COVID taught us, right?
	The places that you thought were like us, you know, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, you know, the UK. You're like, oh, yeah, they're kind of like us.
	They believe in freedom, and they have these things.
	No, no, no. If you say something that could be deemed offensive, you're intimidating.
	I don't know, man. Did you see the back row of those?
	Okay. Two of those people I wouldn't want to mess with.
	They may be a drag queen, but they'd probably kick most men's ass.
	But yeah, they're going to be victimized by someone saying something.
	You can't make it up.
	It's woke beyond belief.
	And that's just the latest example of the very small minority seemingly being in total charge, in total control of everything.
	Of everything. They're going to start putting people in jail for not accepting every aspect of their ever-changing, constantly evolving and getting further deranged nonsense.
	Day in and day out.
	And if you don't go along with it, you're canceled.
	You're out. You're going to be fined $25,000 or put in jail.
	Guys, And it's not just corporate America that's fully embracing this insanity with no regard for their consumers or governments like Canada.
	But the White House here in the United States won't even dare call terrorism by a trans person terrorism, right?
	Here's White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre dodging the question when asked if the Nashville shooter who murdered six Christians, three young children, In a shooting last weekend if it was a hate crime.
	It's not up to us to decide, oh really?
	Oh really? Do you think that if it was, say, a white guy in a MAGA hat that it would be for them to decide?
	Do you think that maybe, I don't know, just maybe, they'd have an opinion on it if that was the case?
	We all know. Check it out and see for yourself.
	Former Vice President Pence said that if the shooter who killed six people in that Christian school in Tennessee was motivated by a hatred towards Christians that the crime should be categorized as a hate crime.
	I'm wondering what the president thinks of that kind of designation.
	It's not for us to decide.
	Oh! It's not for them to say.
	Interesting. They have an opinion on everything, just not when it affects their narrative, right?
	The FBI and the DOJ, of which they control, had no problem classifying concerned parents, mothers who showed up to PTA meetings, just so we understand what we're talking about.
	Just so we are clear, if you're a concerned parent showing up to a PTA meeting and asking questions about the indoctrination of our children in their schools, you were labeled a domestic terrorist by the highest forms of American law enforcement.
	If a trans sociopath from that very protected group of incredibly powerful but immune to criticism group of people, the new trans mafia, if they kill and murder in cold blood Christian children, It's not for them to decide.
	I mean, why would they possibly look at that?
	Like when the black supremacist drove a car through a Christmas parade last year in Wisconsin.
	A car drove through a Christmas parade killing people.
	Magically, just by itself, right?
	I mean, they couldn't do that.
	They wanted it to be a white guy in a MAGA hat with an AR-15.
	The second it wasn't, all of a sudden, it's out of the news, folks.
	So just imagine, if you would, if the roles were reversed.
	Do you think the White House would have the same response?
	Of course not. And it's all just another example how there's one rule for the left and their allies and another entirely different set of rules for the rest of us.
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	And now... After a rather lengthy one.
	I apologize for that, Darren.
	We have Darren Beattie in studio to talk about everything.
	So, Darren, you've got an interesting background.
	I think our audience should know. You're a speech writer for Trump.
	Yes. Full-on, like, academic, mathematician, and other things, and one of the few, maybe the only, academic that actually endorsed and supported Donald Trump in 2016.
	What was that like? No, that's absolutely right.
	I was the only non-tenured full-time academic in the country to publicly support your father in 2016, and I was the only...
	I was teaching at Duke at the time, and I was the only member of Duke's faculty to actually correctly predict the election.
	Which is something interesting because they have a bunch of political science people there who pride themselves on their predictive models and accuracy, and I was the only one who got it right.
	And so, as I mentioned to you earlier, it constituted kind of a performative resignation letter from the academy.
	And I was...
	You didn't have...
	Let me guess. You didn't get tenure.
	No. They weren't going to give you tenure after that one.
	Even if you were right, even if perhaps you should have been the only academic to actually...
	Merit tenure.
	They didn't get it.
	Well, I was in such a state of arrogant euphoria, I guess, in the aftermath of your father's victory that I actually did send an email both to the dean and the entire political science department demanding I get tenure.
	I mean, as a joke, but...
	You know, they should have done it, frankly, if it's about getting things right.
	But no, it was an interesting stage, but I was happy to move on, and I had the honor of working under your father in the White House, and gone on to do a lot of interesting things, including starting Revolver News, which I think has been at the forefront of investigative reporting and analysis, and I think has really...
	I'm most proud of its work thematically through all of our reporting on Big Tech censorship on January 6th and all these things we can get into.
	The underlying theme running throughout all of it is the weaponization of the national security state against conservatives and particularly Trump supporters.
	And your excellent monologue, I think, really drew attention to the fact that we're at The second stage of this effort, the first stage was just shutting people up.
	Shutting you up, taking you off, you know, social media, shutting you down in many cases by, you know, turning off the spigot on your bank account.
	But now we're at the stage of deplatforming that comes with throwing people in prison, of criminally indicting people.
	Yeah, like, so, I mean, how did that happen so quickly?
	Meaning, again, and I, it's crazy, like, I've been in the room.
	I've been a target.
	You know, I was probably, let's call, I don't want to say number one, because clearly number one was my father.
	But like, I'd say it's safe to say I was the number two target of Russia, Russia, Russia.
	They were hoping for that. And again, I've made very clear to my audience, I understand that I am not the upstanding citizen that Hunter Biden is.
	But if there was actual Russian collusion, I have a feeling you'd know about it and I'd be in jail.
	Right. And yet it didn't stop them.
	But each time something like that happens, they go, wow, you know, maybe it's me, it's against Trump.
	But There's so much further along than I ever would have thought, right?
	And I do this. I'm watching.
	And I was in the room. And yet, then you see January 6th, and they're jailed.
	And it takes two years to release the exculpatory videos.
	And, you know, as long as they control that and as long as they have that, it was never going to come out because the narrative was this.
	And they'll put hundreds of people, nonviolent offenders, in jail.
	Now, the people from the Summer of Love in 2020 that, you know, burned down buildings and murdered dozens and, you know, created damage.
	I mean, I can't even tell you how many times worse than anything that January 6th ever happened.
	You know, they were in jail for two years.
	Right. They withheld the evidence to get those people out because the narrative was more important.
	How did we get there?
	I mean, because it accelerated so quickly, right?
	I look at that slippery slope. It's like, okay, it's probably a little worse, a little bad, you know, Russia, Russia, Russia.
	And it's like... Just right through the roof.
	Absolutely. No, it's a great question.
	And my view on it is that even though certain developments are arresting, we've reached critical inflection points like the unprecedented indictment of, you know, former president and a current frontrunner to be.
	um president all of this was kind of baked into the cake from the beginning at least once your father won your father ran against the coordinated opposition of every single powerful institution in the country he won and he humiliated them In doing so, and this unleashed a profound oppositional force from the regime that I think had to culminate in this stage of not only weaponizing the national security, all the institutions like the Department of Homeland Security originally Erected to prosecute the war on terror,
	you know, with mixed results, to be sure, have now been repurposed to go after the domestic war on terror, which is people who object to, for instance, The Drag Queen Story Hour, and I think we've really seen an acceleration within the acceleration recently, and I think a crystallization of this form of government that's been described as anarcho-tyranny, which is basically...
	Talk about that a little bit, because I've heard you say it, and for the average person to understand exactly what that means.
	Right. It's not coined by me.
	It has... The person who coined it was kind of a controversial guy called Sam Francis, but it's a very powerful insight, and it describes really the reality that we have anarchy and lawlessness with respect to the sort of clients of the regime, the political allies of the regime, and you have really tyranny with respect to ordinary middle-class conservative citizens.
	The best example of it comes from your monologue.
	Anarcho-tyranny is we don't prosecute looters, but we prosecute anyone who says anything offensive within a hundred miles of a drag queen story hour.
	Alvin Bragg!
	Talk about a subliterate.
	You know, they talk about him as, you know, he created a novel prosecution.
	I know we're mixing terms here, but he's not involved with anything like a novel.
	This guy is involved with picture books.
	This is subliterate. Yeah, there's nothing novel about it.
	I mean, the only novel aspect of it is that it's a first...
	In terms of, like, the devolution of, like, just polite society in America and everything we believe.
	You know, I will say, like, it's shocking to me.
	Like, everything I believed America to be, so much of that is an illusion.
	And I would have never known that from the outside.
	That's why, you know, any insight I can give to be like, hey, man, I've been a fly on the wall.
	I've been in those rooms.
	I've then seen the reporting about what was supposedly done in those rooms.
	And there's not even a pretense...
	Of like truth anymore, right?
	You think like, hey, well, maybe this guy interpreted a little bit differently.
	It's like, no, no, no. Here's the narrative.
	This is what we want. Here's our end objective.
	It's no different than communist China, right?
	Right. Here's where we want to be.
	So everything is open season between, you know, now and then to get to where we want to be.
	It's like China, right? Like they'll steamroll their entire population because they want to be here in 50 years.
	Right. Peasants be damned.
	Right. Arguably subliterate.
	I don't know if he can read.
	That's an open question. But the thing about him is he was one of these guys just like the mayor of Chicago you're talking about.
	His whole thing from the very beginning was, I'm not going to prosecute basically any offenses that are relevant to basic quality of life in the...
	You know, for the people that I'm supposed to represent.
	Murder and rape, I mean, like, it's fine.
	But when it comes to a trivial document filing claim against, which he couldn't even do because the statute of limitations ran out, so that's where the novelty comes in.
	But, you know, when dumb people try to do creative things, the end result is even more ridiculous than you can imagine.
	And that's why you had these people like John Bolton and others come out and say, My God, maybe we shouldn't outsource our domestic war on terror to this low, kind of low IQ operatives.
	But you see it in Alvin Bragg.
	You see it, and it's not just with your father.
	It goes down the line.
	Recently, I think you've talked about this, there's a case of This young guy called Doug Mackey, who was a great supporter of your father's, had a great Twitter account, extremely influential, just an ordinary guy.
	He really irritated Hillary Clinton because he dared to mock her.
	And the Biden Department of Justice just convicted this guy of a felony for memes.
	By the way, up to 10 years in prison for memes in America.
	First Amendment doesn't matter again.
	He's going against the norm.
	Now, there's plenty of people...
	Literally exact same crime on the other way against Donald Trump.
	Same thing. And it's like they don't even get prosecuted, let alone face 10 years in prison.
	Right. I mean, Joe Biden's perhaps an example of what you're talking about in the sense that Joe Biden's so stupid...
	He'll actually sign anything that the powers that be put in front of him.
	So I actually think, like Alvin Bragg, I think is being a useful idiot to George Soros, and those likes, I think Joe Biden is actually that to Obama, Susan Rice, whoever's still in charge, because they were smart enough to preserve their legacies.
	They may not agree with everything in America, but they weren't going to go against the American public and hurt their legacies and their abilities to buy...
	You know, $15 million homes and Martha's Vineyard and all of this stuff.
	They weren't going to quite do that, but they're more than happy to destroy Joe Biden's legacy by having him sign whatever it is that they want.
	And, you know, they get where we want.
	So he's like the useful idiot, but frankly, he was much more effective than the Obamas of the world because they don't care about protecting his name, image, and likeness for the future.
	Right. Well, he's clearly an instrument, and there are underlying forces that are much more powerful than him.
	I mean, the regime is really exhibiting itself in unprecedented ways, and this has a lot of downstream effects.
	For instance, you mentioned China.
	It's always been kind of unique to America's self-understanding that we are kind of a moral nation, a moral exemplar to other countries.
	We're a bastion of freedom.
	And whether or not that's true in the past, it's always been an integral part of the way
	we've sold ourselves and marketed ourselves and affected foreign policy and diplomacy overseas.
	Recently, an interesting tweet from this guy who's doing a lot of interesting work in El Salvador,
	Bukele, who's basically brought MS-13 to heel.
	He correctly, and I think very insightfully, pointed out, look, how can America continue to say,
	just recently, one of Biden's lackeys castigated Tunisia for daring to jail political opposition.
	The same thing in Cambodia.
	Wait a minute, guys! Well, we're seeding the high ground, right?
	There was a time where America had the moral high ground, and you could say that would never happen to America.
	And yet, the Banana Republic shit...
	That we call out and have been able to call out.
	Like, you know, if I'm Putin, you sit there and be like, I don't know, guys.
	Like, you know, I'm watching all the people who really hate Putin and really hate, you know, they're calling for a regime.
	I mean, wait a minute, but you're okay with them jailing Trump, though.
	That's different. Trump's the exception that proves the Putin rule, right?
	He's the political opposition, but it's okay because it's Trump.
	Exactly. It's a very dangerous and bizarre trend, and especially as conflict is gearing up with China, we don't really have that moral high ground that was available to us, say, in the Cold War with the Soviet Union, where Reagan could say, we're the free society, Soviet Union is basically the gulag.
	In this case, It seems like there are two different authoritarian systems emerging.
	There's the Chinese authoritarian system, and there's the system associated with what I call, not America, but the globalist American empire, which is just as authoritarian, is becoming so.
	Plus drag queens.
	It's just as authoritarian, plus all of these ridiculous things as we have the same basic underlying injury, but at least in China there's no insult.
	And the insult added to the injury is the thing that makes our country ridiculous and I think is increasingly a laughing stock on the world stage.
	And the other kind of serious point on this There's a real interesting tension emerging because it just is the same time as the national security state has basically declared war on conservative Americans.
	It's conservatives that they'll rely upon to have this kind of battered wife syndrome To say, well, we're going to beat you down domestically, but the second we need you for another war, you're going to be the first to sign up.
	Exactly. Well, but you see that.
	And I've had, you know, all my friends, like, real operators and, you know, SEAL team guys, and they're saying, like, they're out there having these conversations, and they're telling me, like, I would never let my kids do this.
	Like, these are guys that... You know, they literally bled for our country, but they would want their children to do the same, and, like, there's tradition of, you know, generations of people who fought wars for this country, and they're like, I wouldn't even think about it, because, you know, if you're trans, you'll become an admiral in about three seconds, and you can do that, and while you're going...
	I had Ronnie Jackson on here talking about that as someone who was an admiral and, you know, in a medical profession.
	He was like, oh, yeah, by the way, like, if you're going through the paid-for-by-the-U.S. government gender-affirming surgery, like...
	Because of all the medications, you're not actually even allowed to be on active duty abroad, so they give you a cushy office.
	It's like, it's a huge scam.
	You don't need to check them.
	I served our country while sitting in a nice air-conditioned office with no intention to do that while the American taxpayer gets to pay for my gender reassignment surgery.
	Who's going to go sign up for these things anymore?
	It's amazing. It's like we were saying, becoming transgender is the ultimate life hack in America, and it's literally a hack, no pun intended.
	As far as I'm concerned, and I say this being the son of a billionaire, I think it's the highest level of privilege if utilized properly in America Day.
	There's no school you can't get into.
	There's no position that you're not checking off a box that they would love to fill.
	And by the way, the more you're pretending it, Probably the better it is because you don't have the lunacy that goes along with so much of it, right?
	So, like, I feel it's the highest form of privilege in society today.
	You can get into Harvard, then just for kicks, you can join women's MMA, just beat up a woman, get into Harvard, do whatever you want.
	And they'll never throw you out. Yeah, they'll celebrate you.
	You're beyond question.
	You're beyond reproach.
	Right. And, you know, you can always fall back, oh, you're being a racist, like everything else these days.
	But where does it end?
	Well, that's an interesting question.
	I think these tensions are yet to be resolved.
	I think, you know, your father stands as the most compelling symbolic representation of opposition to all these forces.
	And it really is about your father.
	You know, people talk about Trumpism after Trump.
	I think that's a total scam.
	The idea of Trumpism after...
	It's a total scam because it's really the ploy to eliminate both Trumpism and Trump.
	There are a lot of pseudo-sophisticates out there who think you can just...
	Get the policy script and give it to anyone, that it's interchangeable.
	That's not how political movements work.
	There's a reason that the system is targeted against specific individual.
	That individual happens to be the person who created and continues to lead one of the most powerful political movements in the nation's history.
	So if we can, you know, get your father into the White House again, then maybe that can change the game.
	The direction of things, I think, is very bleak, and I think the open question of these tensions is how long can conservatives be counted on to be these patriotic people who are joining the military who support these institutions Who will fight for the kind of country that will throw them in jail for, you know, standing around on January 6th.
	Who will fight for the kind of country who will throw you in jail for criticizing transsexuals.
	Well, yeah, and that's part, I mean, part of patriotism is, you know, believing in the things that come from that system, right?
	Right. And if government's number one priority is, you know, transgenderism is the social justice issue of our time, I'm like, I don't know.
	You know, I feel like there's a lot more out there.
	It's so important.
	To your point about sort of Trump as the leader of the movement, a big part of Trumpism is actually having the balls To follow through.
	Right. And we've seen that.
	You know, there's a lot of guys that try to do Trump or Trump-lite, and then you see them flip-flop on Ukraine, and, you know, they say something that was kind of like Trump, maybe the weak version of what Trump was saying about Ukraine and ending the never-ending wars.
	And then the donor class, you know, as sponsored by the military-industrial, you can't say that.
	Well, so I'll change it tomorrow.
	Right. Well, the weaponization of government, as long as it's against Donald Trump, who's a political opponent right now, it's not really that big a deal.
	I'm like, really?
	I kind of feel like that actually may be that fulcrum point.
	That's the thing we're talking about.
	If our government, if this becomes okay, Not only have we ceded the moral high ground, but we've ceded everything we thought we stood for.
	And who's going to go sign up and be patriotic or sign up to fight for that?
	Right, right. And so again, it's a real crisis point.
	It's a crisis of legitimacy for the country.
	And, you know, it really, all of this stuff that we're talking about, not just this trans stuff, and for lack of a better term, the wokeness, it has emerged as The de facto state ideology of the country and it's almost, you know, we can look at these things like what Nike is doing and what these major corporations, all major corporations in the United States pay lip service at the very least to this and on one hand we can say this is detrimental to business but in the bigger picture It's actually a necessary display of fealty.
	The same way in China is you can't operate on a certain level in business unless you're friendly to the Chinese Communist Party.
	You can't operate at a certain level in the United States of America unless you've kissed the ring of the regime and the ideology of wokeness.
	And that's just kind of how it is.
	Every single institution is infected by it.
	And we need a total upheaval for that reason.
	I see. You talked about China.
	You had a great tweet. I don't want to read this so I get it right.
	But, you know, we played the video earlier about the Canada and the drag queen story hour.
	And you said, and I quote, you watch this and you wonder if it would really be all that bad for China to overtake the West.
	I think I retweeted it or liked it because you're looking at it and be like, you're right.
	What does this society have to offer anyone?
	Flesh that out a little bit. Because you do see that cultural decay on the West.
	When I see this is the issue of our time, I'm like, well, if that's the issue of our time, then it's over.
	Because we're not serious people anymore.
	Right. Or it's become so opulent that if this becomes the serious issue of our time, you know, we have kids that can't learn or can't read and they're graduating high schools without basic math or literally illiterate, and yet we're spending more per capita than any nation in the world.
	But this is what they're concerned about.
	What happens? That's a great question.
	And, you know, the tweet was, you know, obviously not...
	Serious, it's deliberately provocative, but...
	But it's not, like, it's a totally rational question when you look at the situation.
	Exactly. It raises an important question because it's a question of what kind of nation are we defending?
	When we say America first, what is the version of America that we're putting first?
	When we say... Buy American and we want to privilege American corporations over foreign ones.
	We want to make sure that those corporations aren't embracing the very ideology that's poisoning our country.
	And so it really gets to the core of a lot of inherent tensions Now, for people who want to be patriotic, but who confront the reality that everything representing America, including overseas, what's a better representation of American power and influence than the rainbow flag?
	Now it's a better indication that American influence exists in a region than the American flag itself.
	It really underscores all of these, I think, very uncomfortable thought exercises.
	And I think there's this natural tendency to want to avoid these questions.
	And part of the way you do it is by pointing fingers at foreign adversaries.
	Say, well, yeah, we have some problems, but look at all this stuff China's doing.
	Look at all this stuff Russia's doing.
	Look at what Iran is doing.
	Look at what these countries are doing.
	But I think one of the most...
	Powerful and important and brave and subversive things your father has said, and he said a lot of interesting things.
	He said, the real challenge to the American people is not any foreign adversary.
	The real problem facing the American people is not any foreign adversary.
	It's the corrupt and illegitimate people who control America.
	And there's so much desire to deflect, because that's a very uncomfortable pill to swallow.
	We'd much rather say, China is responsible for our ills.
	Well, the funny thing is, we've written about this recently on Revolver.
	One funny thing is, the Chinese are excellent in a lot of domains, and frankly, they copy a lot, but they are excellent in a lot of domains.
	One thing that they're simply miserable at Is foreign propaganda directed to the United States and part of the reason for that is I think The poisonous ideology that comes from the United States is so foreign to them that they don't even Understand it enough to exploit it.
	But the funny thing is but they always do these sort of weaker We're good to go.
	China thinks it's undermining American power by reinforcing narratives that are engendered by dominant American institutions.
	And the other hand, they don't even do it as well as it's done in America.
	If I'm China, I'm like, hey, Dylan Mulvaney is the, like, number one spokesperson for every major brand in America, it seems.
	Like... If that's the case, like, I don't know, maybe China's not so bad.
	Right. You know, if that guy, especially covering all the women's stuff and then Women's History Month or, you know, whatever Women's Month, you know, because every month there's something that has to be celebrated and every day has a special, you know, today's Cheesecake Day, whatever the hell it is.
	You know, you think they could actually do quite a bit better given what We give them.
	And yet, they still do a lot, right?
	I always talk about the TikTok algorithm.
	In China, if you're a nerd and you're doing a physics project and you're videoing it and putting it on TikTok, you're rewarded.
	For using your brain and for being intelligent.
	In America, the bigger of an imbecile you are, the bigger an audience you get.
	They're teaching our kids subversively.
	I mean, it's all a PSYOP, right?
	But they're teaching our kids, hey, if you act like an imbecile, Right.
	You get rewarded. And, man, it feels like it's, you know, I know TikTok's relatively new, but it feels like that mentality is certainly prevailing in America right now.
	Absolutely. It's a great point.
	And TikTok is an excellent illustration of what we're talking about, because on one hand, TikTok, you know, wields, I think, a pretty unambiguously negative influence on the nation's youth.
	There are all sorts of things that we can object to it.
	On the other hand, there are In some ways, the least censorious of the big tech companies.
	And the other hand... They're letting us fail on our own.
	And on the other hand, a lot of the bad things you can attribute to them come from basically the American version that isn't even the Chinese version.
	And so again, it's like TikTok is a nefarious influence, but it's hard not to think of this sort of Chorus of condemnation against TikTok as a consolation prize for the fact that few if any of these politicians and people are up to the task of fighting Google.
	I want to get into Google because like...
	I think Google's actually the worst actor in all of big tech.
	Absolutely. Whether it's the influence in search and so much more, right?
	Absolutely. Same thing the way that YouTube, owned by Google, deplatforms anyone that goes against that party.
	I mean, I think I'm not for TikTok saving every screenshot your kid's ever taken and using it against them 20 years later when they're going to be a politician or running a company to the advantage of China, which I'm sure is happening.
	Right. I don't think Google's any better.
	No, they're doing the same thing.
	I mean, their slogans do know evil, but they're by far more powerful.
	Yes. By far more manipulative.
	So, you know, you guys have a Revolver News article right now up about that.
	So talk about the details of that.
	It's easy to shit on TikTok because it's CCP funded, but it's like, fine, take the servers of the American stuff out there so they're not collecting the information.
	I'm not into censoring anything.
	I understand the algorithms designed to make us be dumber.
	Fine. I still don't want to censor people, but...
	What's the difference? I mean, Google's doing the same thing with your information, I'm sure.
	And I don't think they're above weaponizing that against their political enemies because I've seen the way they've acted over the last few years.
	Not at all. And that's the thing.
	It's like one of the chief accusations against TikTok is that it's some kind of subsidiary or somehow beholden to the Chinese government.
	And, you know, that's probably true to some extent, but it's really no more true than the relationship between Fang, you know, including Google, and the U.S. government.
	And, you know, the whole display about TikTok happened concurrently with these revelations
	coming out in the Twitter files that basically show that the...
	Shiny object, go distract yourselves.
	I'm saying that was bad, obviously.
	I was someone who suffered from that.
	And I was the guy that one of the first be like, I think there's censorship here.
	How do you know that you're conspiracy theory?
	I was getting like 10,000 retweets yesterday.
	Today I'm getting four. Not 4,000, just four.
	Something changed and it was probably my attitude towards these things.
	Right, and the thing that we learned from that is we all knew for a long time that big tech was censoring us.
	To some extent, one could be forgiven before for thinking, okay, these are private companies.
	They're making their own decisions.
	It's woke people within the companies and sort of that's the level on which the censorship problem has to be understood and addressed.
	But what we learn is censorship is an industry that really relies on the active collusion between the government and big tech To sustain this censorship, and in many cases, it was government agencies leaning on big tech to censor.
	And this really reveals something important about the structure of our particular authoritarianism, is that in China, The censorship, it can all be done directly.
	Here, we still have nominally the First Amendment, notwithstanding the fact that we have people facing 10 years for memes, but we nominally have the First Amendment, which means that censorship, to some degree, has to be outsourced.
	And so, the government has basically sustained all of these non-profit organizations that talk about disinformation.
	Collude with big tech.
	It's a way of basically outsourcing violation of First Amendment while still paying lip service to constitutional norms.
	And that is a critical part of the censorship infrastructure.
	And I think the larger system that we have is you have to think of the regime as this interwoven nexus between government, between NGOs, between various private sector organizations.
	That all work in concert for a common purpose, and that is to basically dispossess ordinary, healthy, conservative-leaning Americans.
	And you saw that, I think, very conspicuously in the Twitter files.
	And of course, people weren't talking about that.
	They're saying, you know, what about TikTok?
	I'd say we should have both.
	We should point out TikTok, but also have a serious reckoning with what's happened within our own tech sector.
	But part of the bottleneck there recapitulates the same problem I talked about before.
	On the one hand, the national security state has declared war on American patriots.
	On the other hand, the national security state depends on American patriots to fight their battles.
	Similarly, big tech is one of our most important foreign policy tools.
	Google is one of the most important and profound tools of American influence, soft power influence overseas.
	And so that sort of underscores the problem of how can we expect these politicians to bring these tech companies to heel When the tech companies are themselves basically subsidiaries of the natural security state.
	Yeah, and I look, you know, some of the guys on our side, because, you know, I've got to call balls and strikes.
	I mean, there's plenty of guys on our side that are like, I'm going to go after big tech.
	I'm like, but you accepted that, you know, $3,500 max donation from Google.
	And they do it every time. And so, you know, they're very loud about it on TV. And then when it comes time to actually being in the negotiating room and actually passing legislation about this stuff, all of a sudden...
	The teeth get filed off.
	There's nothing actually there.
	That ownership that these companies have over the politicians is truly scary as well.
	The reality is they're so powerful and they're so important, it's hard to imagine there has to be some kind of Some kind of arrangement at work, some kind of compromise, where you think about, you know, everyone's talking about AI now, and people are worried about not only the, you know, threats of AI to, you know, human safety, but also the competitive aspect of China developing theirs.
	Well, that's the problem, Matt, because I agree with what Elon's been saying this week, which is like, hey, this is like, but like, China's never going to stop.
	Our enemies aren't going to stop developing it, and it's clearly powerful.
	It's sort of interesting. You see the stuff that they're doing with AI and news and this.
	All these journalists that wanted farmers to learn to code, they're going to have to learn to code pretty soon because they're basically worthless.
	They're all regurgitating a lot of the same drivel.
	I guess that's the difference between mainstream and otherwise.
	I'd like to hear about, again, how Revolver started and what you saw I assume a vacuum in what was being put out there.
	Well, you know, the start of Revolver is interesting.
	It started as a kind of alternative to the Drudge Report because Drudge went crazy and we said, look, there's a big opening for it that people needed.
	So we still maintain a very active and popular aggregation function, but we also kind of evolved into an investigative apparatus.
	And we uncovered all these kinds of stories and we found that It's really important in terms of telling a story that you want to give people a framework, but you also want to attach a name and a face to a problem.
	We've done a lot of stuff on COVID and studies on COVID that ultimately were vindicated by Sort of quote-unquote mainstream sources.
	You mean like the Wuhan lab league theory was never a theory, it was always the most plausible response ever?
	Exactly. And things like, you know, we did a breakdown of the cost-benefit analysis of the lockdowns, and we showed that, look, there's existing economic literature out there that says for every sort of demotion one has in terms of expected income, that comes with a lowering of life expectancy.
	And so, at the time, people were saying, oh, it's, you know, it's safety comes over the economy, but you can't disaggregate the two.
	Well, I love, like, your local coffee shop wasn't critical, but, like, Starbucks was.
	It's a critical business.
	Like, why? Because they have more powerful lobbyists?
	Like, I don't understand. Exactly.
	And so, we did COVID stuff, but one of the first big ones we did was on the color revolution.
	It was a specific case of a faction within the national security community, the Atlanticist faction, that's really led by George Soros in some ways, that's best known for conducting color revolutions overseas.
	People like Victoria Nuland, who is now a senior official under Biden, have been...
	She's over in Hungary trying to destroy Viktor Erban because he happens to be a conservative.
	Exactly. Yeah, but you're not allowed to say George Soros because that's somehow anti-Semitic.
	Right. Like, talking about the things that he actually does and the people he funds.
	I was attacked this week for calling out Alvin Bragg.
	The Washington Post fact checker, twice got it wrong, called me out because they said...
	I said he was funded.
	Alvin Bragg was funded to the tune of about a million dollars by George Soros.
	The fact check was...
	There's no evidence that George Soros has ever met Alvin Braga.
	That's not even... It's literally not even...
	I'm like, I don't understand.
	You got the check.
	That's all that matters. He donated to this that funded...
	He controls this super PAC that donates to these radicals.
	But then it's like... Oh, well, the fact check's now it's wrong, so he got, luckily, Twitter community notes actually finally dunked on him with that, and it was the same thing, sort of like when he went after me when I posted a Breitbart article and a Daily Mail article that the judge's daughter, in my father's case, happens to be a political activist that works for Kamala Harris, and they're like, I'm doxing the daughter!
	I'm like, wait, like, an adult...
	Right. Who works for the leader of the opposition party and the second most powerful person in the world, the vice president.
	That's not relevant.
	The wife had all sorts of hateful anti-Trump tweets and he's a Biden donor and the daughter is an adult political activist.
	Doesn't that make you a public figure?
	Because I know it made me a public figure.
	Right. But it's different.
	And so the fact checks, they finally get dunked on, but they're not real fact checks, and you can't say anything about Soros, because that's somehow anti-Semitic, I guess because his narrative is aligned with The party's in charge.
	Right. No, it's ridiculous.
	Pretty soon, any criticism, Alan Bragg is going to be anti-Semitic somehow by some kind of extension.
	He identifies. Relax.
	He identifies. Right.
	No, it's amazing.
	As for the Doxie thing, they have this term...
	It's another sort of censorship predicate.
	Disinformation is the big censorship predicate, but they have a new one called stochastic terrorism that has the advantage.
	It sounds sophisticated to a lot of these mediocrities.
	They say, oh, stochastic.
	You have some dumb person with a master's degree or something.
	They say, oh, I use stochastic.
	I must be smart. But what they mean by that, essentially, is anything bad you say about one of their protected Well, but like, I have a feeling those same people that...
	Freely utilized and or have weaponized the notion of anti-Semitism had no problem saying whatever they wanted about, say, Sheldon Adelson, who happened to be Jewish and who funded Republicans.
	There's a lot of Soros, but I don't think he did it to the destruction of our country, funding radicals who want to let out murderers.
	You're not even allowed to question that.
	But again, I imagine those same people said all sorts of things that...
	Lens reversed would be considered quite anti-Semitic and maybe actually anti-Semitic about Sheldon Adelson because he didn't just blindly follow.
	No, to criticize Sheldon Adelson is to criticize a Nazi.
	To criticize George Soros is to be anti-Semitic.
	Well, and that's before you get into his history, so you're not allowed to do that either because being critical of the things that are known about his story...
	Right. A little bit odd.
	Yeah. So I guess the big story that I'm sure our viewers will be interested in because it's seemingly one of the few MAGA guys out there instigating January 6th, at least from the videos that I've seen, is Ray Epps.
	Yes. You guys broke that story.
	Yeah. Tell us about it, and it seems like you're also aware of other connections now that seem to be increasingly getting us to the point where we're going to say, yet another conspiracy theory that we're going to chalk back up for the conspiracy theorists.
	Right. Well, the story, the saga, I should say, of Ray Epps could, I could go on for hours about it,
	but I'll try to condense it into the most important point because it really is, I say...
	Well, the most important point is that if he wasn't the things that others have said he is,
	he'd probably be in jail right now.
	So, like, you know, that's just the smell test based on everything we've seen.
	Meaning, I know people whose grandmothers got visited because they were within 1,500 miles of Washington, D.C. and shared a similar name or facial profile to someone that they were using AI to find.
	Right. But he's fine.
	Like, he's different. He's the guy that can be, take credit for it in text messages, rile up crowds and...
	Right. No, it's interesting.
	So here's the fact pattern on Ray Epps, okay?
	The fact pattern on Ray Epps.
	He's the only person caught on camera as early as January 5th, repeatedly urging crowds to go into the Capitol.
	Emphasis Into the Capitol.
	It was such a bizarre...
	Seems like a big deal. It was such a bizarre and out-of-place suggestion that, according to the now famous iconic video, the crowd's immediate response...
	Was to point at him and chant, Fed, Fed, Fed.
	By the way, if anyone's doing that at this point, I can't imagine, you know, if it was actually an insurrection, I don't imagine people would show up unarmed.
	That's not how I would show up to an actual insurrection, but we all know it never was.
	It wasn't an insurrection.
	It was a Fed-surrection.
	Ray Epps is one of the smoking guns of the Feds, right?
	So he's there the evening before, already has this idea in his mind saying, go into the Capitol, go into the Capitol.
	Okay, it could be just some one-off.
	Maybe it was just some random drunk guy who had a crazy random idea and that was the end of it.
	No. He was there on January 6th.
	He was a veritable Where's Waldo on January 6th.
	He was everywhere. And he remained committed to his originally stated mission.
	He was telling people, you know, Your father's speech was not at the Capitol.
	It was like 20 minutes at least by foot away from the Capitol.
	So Reheps was there telling people on their way to listen to your father speak.
	He said, when the speech is over, go to the Capitol.
	That's where our problems are.
	It's in that direction.
	Spread the word over and over.
	Just making sure.
	This is all on video.
	People don't need to take my word for it.
	So he does that. And then, by the way, just bracket that, he flies in cross-country from Arizona.
	He's got his Trump hat on.
	He doesn't even go to the speech.
	He flies all the way, this big support.
	He doesn't even go to the speech.
	Instead, what does he do? Well, he directs people to the Capitol, and then he just happens to be prepositioned at the exact spot, at the exact time of the initial and decisive assault on the west perimeter of the Capitol.
	In fact, he's right there by the bike racks, whispering into some guy's ear two seconds before they attack the The barricades.
	There are so many other interesting details there.
	For instance, there's one exchange between him and a guy who actually did commit a lot of acts of vandalism and things, and the exchange is very interesting.
	It's very brief.
	The guy, I think he's holding something that might be a weapon, maybe bear spray.
	When we go in, leave this here.
	We don't want to get shot.
	The when we go in is, again, an affirmation that the understanding was people were going in, and in this case, that guy.
	And the reason I bring this up is that on the basis of similar exchanges— He should have been in general the last two weeks.
	The DOJ has charged people with very serious conspiracy charges for extremely similar types of exchanges.
	And so some people say, look, the optics of Epps are bad.
	He's got the Trump hat.
	He's in the camo suit.
	He happens to have been a former head of the Arizona chapter of the Oath Keepers, the most demonized and prosecuted militia group associated with January 6th.
	But these are all kind of superficial, optical things.
	He didn't go into the Capitol, therefore they couldn't have arrested him.
	Well, technically... You can't stop him from arresting anyone else.
	Technically, a lot of people who were arrested didn't go into the Capitol on conspiracy charges and even on lower trespassing charges.
	He had neither.
	And the thing is, it's, you know, now it's, you know, Revolver News and Tucker Carlson and other people talking about this.
	But before, you know, his behavior was so egregious that he was one of the first 20 people added to the FBI's most wanted list of January 6th.
	They scrubbed that once Revolver started talking about federal involvement.
	It's so obvious. You know, the New York Times, which is now, like, Ray Epps' big defender.
	Well, originally, the New York Times did this ominously titled feature on January 6th, Day of Rage, Insurrection Day of Rage.
	And of all the footage they had to illustrate the nefariousness and the evil and the danger of this day of rage, they selected footage of Ray Epps as evidence that Trump supporters had this plan in advance.
	So the New York Times had it.
	The FBI had it.
	Then all of a sudden, there's this about face.
	Now he's taken off the FBI most wanted list.
	The New York Times is doing fully dedicated puff pieces on him.
	And that's where it gets interesting, right?
	Meaning, you know, maybe someone slips through, but I doubt it, if they were real.
	And then you hear that.
	I mean, you mentioned to me before we started the interview, like, Who's his legal representation?
	Oh, I'm getting to that. No, this is all the build-up.
	This is all the build-up. Guess what?
	These are people that wouldn't even take a phone call from myself or the Trump Organization to do real work.
	A billion-dollar company, they wouldn't even think about, but they're now magically representing Ray Epps.
	There's no way someone's not like, no, take care of this guy.
	It gets better and better.
	He's off the FBI Most Wanted list.
	New York Times, which originally presented him in this ominous fashion, now they're doing fully dedicated puppies.
	They cherry-pick their most obedient national security janitor, the guy whose job it is to do the mop-up job for the national security state.
	They get that journalist to do this puff piece.
	Journalistic embarrassment, even by the New York Times' abysmal standards.
	So they got the New York Times to do a puff piece.
	Adam Kinsinger, the crybaby who prowls, spends a lot of time on all fours.
	Adam Kinsinger, who's never met a Trump supporter, he doesn't want to see rotting in jail for at least 50
	years, all of a sudden becomes Rehab's great defender.
	The funny thing is you read the transcript of the J6 committee's exchange with Epps.
	You know, Epps at that time had a different lawyer who, incidentally, happened to be a nine-year veteran of the FBI Phoenix field office, but that's another man.
	I'm shocked to hear this. But the funny thing is, in the transcript, Don Jr.
	is a more vigorous defender of Epps than Epps' own lawyer.
	Um, uh, it...
	He just defends Epps one place after another.
	You mean Kimsinger? Sorry.
	I was like, wait a minute.
	I'm like, I'm sorry. Fake news!
	Fake news! I don't think I was defending him.
	I'm saying, if this guy's the guy he's getting, why is he the one getting, you know, literally people who walked around taking selfies videos inside the Bella Rubs.
	Edit that out. My mistake.
	We're alive, but it's okay.
	And by the way...
	I'm actually more insulted that you'd confuse me with Kinzinger.
	Yikes, but okay.
	I'll forgive you, I think.
	Adam Kinzinger is a more aggressive defender of Epps and Epps' own lawyer.
	He bends over backwards to offer the most implausibly charitable explanation for inconsistency after inconsistency after lie revealed in the transcript.
	And so you have Kinzinger...
	So our roster includes FBI taking him off the list, Him not being prosecuted for anything when he clearly could have.
	New York Times coming to his defense doing fully dedicated puff pieces on him.
	Adam Kinzinger coming to his defense more so than his own lawyer.
	And then the coup de grace, the way to cap it all off is his new legal representation which you won't believe.
	His new legal representation is this guy called Michael Tedder.
	And Tatter works for arguably the most notorious and disgraced hatchet men that represents the nexus between the Clinton machine and the deep state, and that's David Brock, the guy who did the notorious...
	A David Brock memo, right?
	You know, just basically laying out a blueprint for all the different ways that they can subvert, undermine, and neutralize their father's presidency from day one.
	This was the Brock memo, the guy behind Media Matters, which is, you know, the lower scale, sort of the downscale version of the Soros-funded propaganda outlets, is involved with everything.
	His fingers are in just about every operation.
	And so a guy in employment of David Brock, Is representing Epps, and not only that, but this guy Tater, he's an alumnus of the also notorious, also disgraced law firm Perkins Coy.
	And what is Perkins Coy best known for?
	This is like literally Democrat, like this is the Democrat machine, like literally taking care of the leader of the MAGA rebellion.
	It's sort of amazing how that happens.
	Like definitely not, like any one of those like seven things, you'd be like, fed, like, but all seven of them?
	Exactly. All seven of them?
	How do we get to the bottom of it?
	How do we figure that out, though?
	The thing about Perkins' coin, though, just additional details, besides basically being more or less, they more or less cooked up the Steele dossier.
	They played a huge role in Steele dossier and the Russia hoax and, you know, relationship with Fusion DPS, the whole deal.
	But it also came out, I think...
	The great Matt Gaetz exposed this, that the FBI had their own dedicated workstation within the law offices of Perkins Coie, as though you needed sort of a tangible representation of this nexus between the Democrats and the deep state, and now it's No other MAGA person, though.
	Just him, right? No other.
	No other. No other.
	Ray Epps, the man with the MAGA hat, in camouflage.
	The former head of the Arizona chapter of the most demonized militia group associated with J6, who's notoriously on camera telling people to go into the Capitol, into the Capitol, and who, as you astutely pointed out, has...
	He's been caught with text messages to his nephew basically saying, quote, I orchestrated it.
	And he's gotten this Clinton machine-associated lawyer.
	And the funny thing is, what is this lawyer doing?
	The lawyer is threatening me and Tucker Carlson with defamation lawsuits.
	Which is remarkable.
	For what?
	For asking questions about a level of coincidence.
	I don't believe in any coincidence anymore, but this is a level of coincidence that no one who's not an imbecile shouldn't question, right?
	Right. I think, again, the fact pattern, it's very difficult for a reasonable, intellectually honest person to To look at the fact pattern with respect to Epps and You know, come to any kind of innocent explanation for why he seemed to be protected by the federal government and for why he's gotten all of these unlikely defenders from quarters whose whole purpose is to demonize and destroy people that,
	you know, look and talk like ramps.
	It doesn't, it simply doesn't add up.
	So the other big story that you broke, you know, sort of around all of this, which, again, is maybe the biggest story to magically disappear in history, was the January 6th pipe bombing, or, you know, at least the laying of pipe bombs at both the RNC and the DNC. I figured if it was just the RNC, they'd probably let it slide in Washington, D.C. That story disappeared.
	I guess I alluded it to in my opening, which is like, just as a rational, sentient being, it's like, so the literal power of the two-party state was going to be pipe-bombed, and like, nothing!
	It's literally like it was there in case, perhaps, Ray Epps wasn't effective at getting people to storm Through the Capitol or go through the opened doors by the police that we're now seeing on video, whatever it may be.
	If they weren't able to create that narrative, something else may have happened to create the outrage cycle to turn the world against Trump or whatever it may be and conservatives and Republicans and solidify all of this.
	How does... An attempted bombing of the two heads of the institutions of a two-party state just disappear?
	That's a really good question, and I really commend you because I've seen you bring attention to this issue in other contexts.
	It's the second smoking gun of the Fed's erection.
	And again, this is something I could go on for hours, but I'll condense it, I think, into the most shocking points.
	And so let's start with the circumstances of the pipe bomb's discovery.
	I say two things are independently basically so unlikely as to be impossible, and both these sets of things happened.
	And both of those sets of things had to happen in order for the official version to make sense.
	So one part is the circumstances under which the pipe bomb near the RNC was discovered.
	So the official version says some random pedestrian Happens to stumble upon this pipe bomb, which is not out in the open.
	It's very kind of carefully ensconced behind a trash can in a back alley.
	Oh yes, because that's where normal people...
	Go around and search. So a random pedestrian stumbles upon this pipe bomb, according to her version of events, at 1240 p.m.
	And the pipe bomb had a mechanical kitchen timer, an hour-long mechanical kitchen timer, That was stuck on saying it had 20 minutes left.
	And so this is really interesting for a variety of reasons.
	One is, okay, it was discovered at exactly 1240.
	It has 20 minutes left and it's stuck on 20 minutes.
	That means this fact pattern One is set to convey the impression that the bomb was going to go off at one.
	One was when the certification proceeding was to begin in Congress, and one was basically right around the time that the Western Perimeter breach, the one that Ray Epps was involved in, took place.
	And so it's a remarkable coincidence of events that this random pedestrian discovers it at 12.
	Think about it. It's to the exact minute.
	If she had discovered it at any other minute...
	It's literally impossible.
	If she had discovered it at any other minute, it would not have conveyed the exact impression that was set to go off at 1 o'clock.
	And the reason this is important is that the version of events espoused by Stephen Sun, the former head of the Capitol...
	The dial was stuck that way.
	The dial was stuck. So it's not only that, but these pipe bombs were planted the evening before.
	So the pipe bomb was sitting there overnight for like 17 hours, more, 17 hours plus.
	And like, I've been to these buildings, like there's security around, like they have guards.
	And it was discovered to the exact minute to convey the impression that it was going to go off at 1.
	And so the woman, the random pedestrian who found it, put in a call to the Capitol Police at 1240.
	The police started responding to it about 10 minutes later, around 1250.
	The first breach of the western perimeter of the Capitol was 1252.
	So, the official version espoused by Stevenson was, look, we think that those pipe bonds, because they were planted the evening before and because they only had a one-hour timer, they were planted as a diversion because the whole idea was to divert critical resources away from the capital in order to maximize the effectiveness of that western perimeter breach.
	But in order for it to be a diversion, the pipe bomber would have had to have counted on it being discovered at that exact time.
	Otherwise, if it had been discovered earlier, it would just beep up security.
	It was discovered right at that...
	And then it stuck. And then you put a bomb there with a one-hour timer, 12-plus hours in advance, etc.
	So that's one set of...
	Remarkably, cosmically implausible, infinitesimally implausible set of events.
	But then we go to the DNC side, because there was also a pipe bomb at the DNC that was much more conspicuous than the one, as I said, carefully ensconced behind The trash bin.
	It was sitting right out there at the foot of a park bench right outside of the DNC building.
	Now again, it's weird the circumstances under which the RNC bomb was found.
	It's even weirder the circumstances under which the DNC pipe bomb was not found.
	This also was planted the evening before.
	It was sitting there for 17 hours in a conspicuous place.
	And here are the list of people who didn't find it.
	No motorists or pedestrians on a very high foot traffic day on January 6th, right out in the open, because this was fairly close to the Capitol.
	No pedestrians with foot traffic.
	There's a physical security guard.
	We proved this in our reporting.
	A physical security guard regularly stationed no more than 12 feet away from where the pipe bomb was planted.
	That physical security guard managed not to see it.
	And to top it all off, The Secret Service of the United States, the most elite protection detail in the world, did not find this.
	And neither did their dogs.
	They say that there was explosive materials in these boxes.
	And by the way, I've seen those dogs operate.
	They've swept my house when my father came over.
	But I've also gone down to their training facility.
	I got in the bite suit.
	These dogs are incredible.
	They don't miss anything.
	These dogs are better than machines or people combined.
	The dogs are incredible.
	They're highly trained, and the easiest thing in the world is for the dogs to smell explosive powder, which they say was on the pipe bomb.
	Maybe the dogs had COVID that day, and they just didn't have a sense of smell.
	They lost their sense of smell.
	The reason, but here's the interesting thing here, is why did the Secret Service sweep it?
	This had been covered up for over a year, but it turns out that then-Vice President-elect Kamala Harris Was in the DNC building while the pipe bomb was still outside.
	And as a VP-elect, she is entitled to Secret Service protection.
	That's why they swept it. Secret Service is on record saying they swept all exits, entrances, right around, no more than 10 feet away from where the pipe bomb was.
	They somehow missed it.
	Now, here's the interesting thing related to that.
	Why did Kamala Harris cover up the fact that she was in the DNC all that time?
	Yeah, Kamala Harris is so bad In so many ways.
	But she's the first person that would be capitalized on, you know, I was almost bombed, I was this, I was that.
	They don't want you looking any further.
	And it probably, you know, they're going after you because you bothered to try to break it with revolver.
	That's such an excellent point.
	The entire media is expending all of its capital to...
	Amplify this notion that January 6th was the worst terrorist event in the history of the world.
	You have Kamala Harris, who's always willing to play the victim, always willing to grandstand, and she had the perfect opportunity to say, I was almost killed, the first woman of color VP-elect, I was almost killed, I was within seconds of...
	By a MAGA terrorist! By a MAGA bomb!
	She would never let that crisis go to waste if it was even remotely real.
	For whatever reason, she covered it up for over a year, but it eventually came out and we know the Secret Service swept the air and they didn't find it.
	So a 17-hour period of no motorist, no pedestrian, no one sitting at that bench getting coffee in the morning.
	Not the physical security guards stationed 12 feet away and not the Secret Service or their dogs and they're on record saying they swept the whole area.
	None of them found it.
	And this is a very interesting fact because, again, if they had found it in the morning, that would have resulted in beefing up security, and that could have, you know, possibly prevented some of the breaches that happened.
	If it were discovered in the morning, it could foil the plot.
	The RNC bomb had to be discovered first in order, you know, it just had to have.
	So there are two of these independent sets of infinitesimally plausible things, and they both had to happen.
	And just to cap it off, there's real capstones here.
	The timing was perfect and it went nowhere.
	And it went nowhere. And here's the thing.
	How could all these people miss the DNC pipe bomb?
	That's an interesting question. Well, they have surveillance video.
	What's the deal with that?
	Well, Revolver News in an investigative exclusive proved that the FBI is in possession of footage that would show if...
	The person actually planted the pipe bomb where they said it would, and they are not releasing that footage.
	There are two different camera angles that we know they have, and they're totally able to reveal the so-called, like, the money shot footage of the person planting the bomb from the good camera angle.
	They've refused to release that camera angle with no explanation, and secondly, we've shown That someone artificially tampered with the surveillance footage released by the FBI, such as to reduce its frame rate, To a 1.4 frames per second.
	That's unheard of in the surveillance industry.
	It just doesn't happen. Yeah, that's like 1940s technology.
	You have to go to some antique store.
	It just doesn't happen. The cheapest version you can get is 8 frames per second.
	There does not exist in the industry 1.4 or even 2 frames per second.
	And for whatever reason, the critical footage Is reduced to 1.4 frames per second, which makes it impossible to identify this person.
	And so we have censoring of the surveillance footage.
	We have tampering of the surveillance footage.
	And to make matters even worse, who was the public face of the pipe bomb investigation until recently?
	It was none other than scumbag Stephen D'Antonio.
	Why is that name familiar?
	Well, Steven D'Antuono ran the Detroit FBI field office and oversaw the Governor?
	The Whitmer. You mean the entrapment case where they got a bunch of meth heads to be like, essentially forced them over years, entrapped them into saying something negative and then arrested them?
	So what are the chances, first of all, what are the chances that of all the FBI agents Christopher Wray could have plucked out of anywhere to put in this coveted Well, I'd say very high.
	Right. The chances are very high, given what we all know and what should be obvious to everyone.
	It would be almost impossibly low if people were dealing in good faith.
	Exactly. And so this person was plucked right out of the Fednapping plot, put in to run the Washington field office in the critical months Leading up to and on January 6th, and this is the person who became the public face of the pipe bomb investigation until I think, you know, some people are just, you know, as your father said, some people are just killers.
	Some people are tough. Some people, even in the regime, in the deep state, They are capable of holding very deep, dark secrets on their shoulders.
	Steven D'Antonio was not one of these people.
	He was in over his head.
	My view, his body language just reveals somebody who was deeply tormented by whatever was going on, and Revolver News wasn't letting up.
	They never expected an organization like ours to report on all this stuff.
	And we're making things very difficult for them.
	And so he recently, again, in other things, never heard of somebody who retires at his age from that stepping stone position at the Washington field office.
	It's the stepping stone to the upper levels.
	And he retired and now he's living his best life as an accountant at KPMG. Yeah.
	It seems odd.
	But again, I guess it doesn't matter because they don't expect someone like you or Revolver News to go after it.
	So we've spoken a lot about the obvious weaponization of justice.
	These things are a sham.
	You'd have to be an imbecile to not...
	To not question. Yet no one in the mainstream media would even present these facts.
	Of course, this is just...
	No one would even question it.
	But what can actually be done about it?
	How do we fight back?
	Because, I mean, I think if you're watching this and you see this and you're like, people went to jail.
	This is so nonsense. It's so bad.
	It's like, you know, maybe they're...
	It's like Jussie Smollett, right?
	Like, maybe he's a good actor, but he's sure not a good writer.
	Because, like... Who could write a script this bad?
	And yet they're doing it in our faces.
	They're jailing their citizens.
	They don't even care about sort of covering up the objective insanity of some of this stuff.
	What specifically can be done to dismantle sort of the administrative state and the power that they hold?
	That's a great question.
	And it's a tough question because it's a question that people really desperately want to A compelling and easy answer to.
	No, it's not. By the way, there's no easy answer.
	There's a lot of them. People want an answer like, oh, we just take them down, we fight them.
	And, you know, I'm known for saying, look, everything's going to be fake and performative in the country until we bring the national security state to heel.
	But I think we're at this...
	Strange position now in the country where people like people on our side we're in a state of maximum awareness but minimal accountability and what we need to do is bridge the gap between awareness of all these things are going on to Have some mechanism to affect accountability like the Twitter files is a great example like We know in excruciating detail the collusion process going on between big tech and government, but how does one even begin to bring big tech to you?
	Those are very difficult questions, and so I'm not going to pretend that there's an easy answer, but I do think there are two things that we should...
	Focus on. I mean, first, I have to say, like, I think we need Donald Trump in the White House because he, this is, as he said, this is a time of retribution.
	He knows the full story.
	Now he understands, like what he said, that the biggest enemy is not China.
	It's not Russia. It's not right.
	The biggest challenge is the corruption within our national security bureaucracies.
	And so that's a critical thing.
	And that's at the federal level, at the level of a presidential election.
	Another thing, I think a lot can be done, maybe more so than ever, has to be done at the state level.
	Because what do you see with the recent indictment?
	You see a highly politicized justice system of a particular state Irrigating the authority to itself to basically go after a resident of another state.
	And I think... Well, they're also going after someone who, the feds themselves, for the same supposed things...
	Who actually have the capacity to oversee those things opted against.
	So it's like, well, we didn't get what we wanted from them, so we're just going to do it on our own.
	So yeah, the state level is huge for all of this stuff.
	The state level is huge, and I think it's really critical for people and various governments to think about shoring up Intergenerational, robust political redoubts, political sanctuaries.
	Someone's very intelligent called Mike Benz, who's done a lot to expose censorship and big tech, come up with this idea.
	We need sanctuary states for conservatives.
	That's such a crucial endeavor.
	It's going to require complete fortification of political power at the state level, and there are defensive and offensive dimensions to this.
	The defensive dimension is...
	You don't cooperate in any extradition of politically motivated prosecutions from other states.
	You don't avail the other states or the federal government of state resources to facilitate any such politically motivated prosecutions, even in civil cases.
	For instance, Kyle Rittenhouse, I think, is facing a civil wrongful death suit.
	There should be states that come up and say, look, we are not going to recognize the outcome of such civil suits against people who have protected themselves in self-defense in a manner determined by our state.
	In New York, again, weaponization in New York, you've done a lot of great work supporting the Second Amendment.
	You're probably familiar with New York's war against the NRA. Now, the NRA happened to be headquartered in New York, you know, ages ago.
	Since 1860-something. Big mistake, right?
	But how could they have known?
	Yeah, you were like, all right, all right. But the thing is, and they're just trying to just rob the NRA blind.
	What other states could do is similarly come up with some kind of policy or procedures saying we're not going to recognize any such attacks or make it easier for the NRA to simply move and incorporate to those other states and come up with the appropriate defense system.
	There needs to be a Full-spectrum approach to marshalling the resources of state power, and by state I mean at the state rather than federal level, to combat the highly politicized abuses that are happening at the federal government, but are happening increasingly at the state level level.
	As well in highly politicized districts like what you see in New York and California and otherwise.
	I think that is a critical and realistic component of a meaningful strategy to go against these trends that we've been talking about.
	Listen, I think that's so critical.
	It's sort of interesting, right? The other side doesn't have to do these things because they have big tech doing it for them.
	They have media doing it for them.
	They have the media scaring the people at the local level who'd be doing it.
	So it really does only flow one way, and that's scary.
	And I guess if we're talking about the states, you've seen 2016, you saw the 2020 election.
	What do conservatives have to do different in 2024 to actually win?
	Because, you know, the weaponization of COVID for mail-in balloting and these sorts of things creates, you know, something that the Democrats loved.
	I don't know that if we don't do something significant, I don't know that it's actually possible to win sort of a nationwide election right now.
	What do you see and what's the strategy?
	How do you change in the coming two years?
	It's tough because, you know, in 2016 there was the surprise element.
	Correct. They probably cheated, they just didn't need to cheat as much as they thought they did, and it turned out to be wrong.
	There was the surprise element, there was just...
	Initially people thought, oh, you know, Donald Trump is running, this is funny, he's really entertaining, so they gave him a lot of airtime.
	Now they're doing everything they can to blacklist.
	Even conservative media.
	Maybe even especially conservative media.
	They're doing everything they can to blacklist.
	There's no surprise element.
	Censorship really accelerated in the aftermath of the 2016 victory.
	And because of it, you know, there's iconic footage uncovered by a great tech reporter, Alan Bakari, of the whole C-suite of Google, literally in tears the day after the 2016 election, basically making a commitment, this will never happen again.
	By the way, I don't think the C-suite of TikTok was in tears.
	Yeah, get your search elsewhere from Google.
	The C-suite of Google.
	So there are all of these things working to disadvantage.
	I think the one thing is, and in a way, it's like, again, it speaks to the IQ of...
	Of Alvin Bragg is that I do think that this indictment can be helpful for Trump politically because it removes any doubt as to the stakes and it removes any doubt as to the target.
	The target is Trump and the stakes are the country.
	Also, it helps to remove some of the blacklist because people are forced to talk about it and to talk about it in a way that forces one to recognize this.
	Well, the war has been so aggressive against conservatives that they're finally waking up to it.
	And we, you know, we're turning the other cheek and we live and let live.
	That doesn't work, guys. Like, these people, like, they've literally, they would put you in the gulags because they've shown that they would.
	That's such an excellent war. They'll weaponize everything.
	You know, for better or worse, perhaps the best thing Trump ever did was just expose that, right?
	Because, again, it's the notion between this is about American democracy and the Democrats are preserving democracy.
	No, no, no, no. They're locking up their political opposition and dissenting opinions that were regular people, whether it's J6 or so many other things that we've seen along the way.
	Right. And the fact that elections are even close when you talk about having, you know, Google in your back pocket if you're the Democrats and you have all of big social and you have all of the mainstream media.
	I mean, you know, it's our ideas versus their nonsense but backed to the full extent by multi-trillion dollar organizations that are functioning as the marketing arm of the opposition.
	Like, it's actually hard to believe elections are even close.
	Right. No, it's...
	And it's because they're insane and they're jamming drag queen story hour and three-year-olds chopping off their genitalia as normal.
	Right. So they're their own worst enemies, but at least we've exposed that.
	Right. There are a lot of structural disadvantages and that's simply a reality.
	If there's... I'd say not only if there's any shot of winning, but if there's any shot of the winning being meaningful.
	Because, you know, some people make the argument and say, oh, Trump's going to face a lot of difficulties that, say, some safer alternative wouldn't face.
	I don't even think that argument is correct.
	But assuming for the sake of argument that was correct, what are you actually winning if you just...
	Yeah, the safer alternative is beholden to the billionaire donor class because there's no way they get anywhere without it.
	They're beholden to...
	What's the point of even winning?
	They're beholden to Paul Ryan at Fox News because that's how they're going to get any kind of...
	You want that guy?
	We've had Jeb Bush run.
	We had a Bush dynasty.
	Was it good?
	It's great for never-ending war.
	It's great for their people in the military-industrial complex.
	It's great for killing hard-working Americans that would do that.
	And on the cultural battles, they gave up everything.
	Right. So, like, I don't know.
	I don't think of that as a win.
	No, it's not. I mean, the stakes are clear, and you just need to let it all out.
	Leave it all on the table.
	That's what Trump needs to do.
	The national security state is the number one bottleneck, and I simply maintain, unless we bring that...
	Into its proper place.
	Unless we bring the national security state to heel, we don't have a country.
	Everything people talk about, democracy, this or that, it's all fake.
	It's all a sound bite. It's all fake.
	We don't even have a political process.
	In the sense that people think we do, unless we bring the national security state to deal, it's the only thing that matters at this point.
	The national security state and, of course, the Department of Justice, which is an extension of that security state, it's the only thing that matters.
	It's all one and the same. Guys, Darren, thank you very much.
	Where can everyone find you?
	Obviously, Revolver News.
	Where can they find you so they can follow?
	So you can, again, get your news from someone that's not part of the system that we're all fighting against.
	Revolver.News we have right at the top.
	Want to see our definitive pieces on January 6th, Ray Epps on Doug Mackey, the person facing 10 years for memes, other stories.
	Yeah, that was Ricky Vaughn for you guys who didn't know on Twitter.
	Literally one of the great, the original shit-talking political...
	Exactly. It was really a Twitter page at the time and then probably evolved, but that guy's facing 10 years in jail for a meme.
	For going against Hillary Clinton.
	There are numerous people doing the exact same thing that didn't even get prosecuted.
	So just understand that is the fight that we're in.
	We're not on equal ground.
	There's no equal justice under the law.
	Those notions are dead and gone and are bullshit if anyone tries to sell it to you.
	Absolutely. And in addition to Revolver.News, I'm on Twitter at Darren J. Beattie.
	D-A-R-R-E-N-J-B-E-A-T-T-I-E. Well, Darren, thank you very much for being here.
	Guys, thank you for being here.
	For those of you who are following, I'm going to go do my thing over on Locals.
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	Appreciate you guys.
	Thanks for everything. Go flip over to Locals.
	I'll go do my AMA over there.
	And just keep watching the show.
	And just remember, guys, send this around to your friends.
	Let them know and see it.
	We're only going to grow organically.
	For the same things that Darren and I were talking about, censorship online or through Google, like I promise you, you're not going to find this.
	You're not going to find this in search.
	They'll do whatever they can to suppress me, to suppress people like Darren, to suppress anything even on Rumble.
	They own YouTube, and you've seen what they've done to their creators over there.
	Anyone who has our opinions, gone.
	So spread it organically.
	Text it to them. Email it to your friends.
	Have them check it out so that we can continue this movement and that we can actually continue this fight and be successful.
	You guys are the best, and I will see you on Monday.
	Have a great weekend. Easter, for those of you who celebrate it, otherwise have a great Passover.
	Anything else between that I'm missing, if there's other woke holidays that I'm going to get called racist for not mentioning that happened to fall on Easter and Passover as well, I'm sure there's been a few that have been created, probably...
	Since I started this podcast about an hour and a half ago, I imagine others have jumped in there.
	So I'll be incredibly inclusive and add all of them in there.
	But in all seriousness, guys, have a great time with your families this weekend.
	Enjoy it. Celebrate these holidays because they are incredible.
	And it's another thing that's been under attack by the lunatics.
	Hope you have an awesome one.
	Enjoy it, and I'll see you on Monday.
	For those of you who want to go check me out on Locals, I will see you in about two, three minutes.

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