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March 13, 2023 - Triggered - Donald Trump Jr

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Jack Posobiec Reveals The Inside Scoop on GOP | TRIGGERED Ep. 15

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	Guys, Monday, March 13th, and welcome to another episode of Triggered.
	You're gonna love it.
	I'm really excited to be back, and first and foremost, I just wanna thank all of you
	for tuning in week after week for making this thing a startup success, really doing some amazing stuff,
	and I'm just super psyched about that, making sure we get some real information out there,
	some of that truth that people are so desperate for that has been covered up so much.
	We've seen the insanity of what's gone on in the last few years,
	and we're just here to call that out, but it continues.
	I mean, I think you saw over the weekend, they were fact-checking a video about the QAnon shaman.
	He was being led around.
	There's video of him being led around by the Capitol Police.
	They open a door, they do this.
	And the fact checkers on social media are saying that it's false, yada, yada, yada.
	I mean, Elon Musk even chimed in and like...
	It's on video, folks.
	It's on video.
	And yet they'll figure out some sort of nuance to somehow make it false.
	He wasn't being fully escorted around because it wasn't a set-up tour on purpose kind of thing.
	It never freaking ends.
	But I'm excited about today's episode because we have someone on who's a journalist.
	A journalist from Human Events Daily, host Jack Pasovic.
	You may also know him from War Room here on Rumble.
	And we're going to cover so much.
	Jack has a really unique perspective on the world.
	He's an intelligence officer, a journalist, someone from Poland
	with an Eastern European background, so perhaps understands a little bit.
	Perhaps like I do with my Czech background.
	And we'll talk a lot about that and sort of the mentality of, you know, the guys like Putin and the Ukraine and what we're up against and how it ever ends.
	Because I promise you guys, the people with pronouns in their bios and 9,476 genders that they believe in probably cannot put themselves in the minds of A guy like a Putin.
	And if you can't do that, we're going to have some serious problems.
	But before we get to the interview with Jack, we got to talk about some of today's top headlines.
	You saw, again, the fact checkers with Elon Musk talking about The QAnon shaman.
	41 months in prison for a non-violent offense when there is now video, which would seemingly be exculpatory video, except for perhaps not in DC, of him being led around the Capitol, not doing anything violent.
	41 months.
	That compares to like the zero months that the looting, rioters, arsonists, and even probably a few of the murderers got during the 2020 Summer of Love.
	Just so we understand exactly How crazy it is.
	We've seen even some of the Republicans like Mitch McConnell come out against the video because we don't want to believe our lying eyes.
	But it doesn't just end there.
	Our open border welfare state is alive and well and it's being promoted by New York City Mayor Adams, who wants to now send illegal immigrants to college for free.
	Now guys, nothing's for free.
	As we understand, there's no free programs.
	They're government-funded programs paid for by your taxpayer dollars.
	So not only do you get to pay for your kids to go to college or yourself to go to college, you get to pay for other people to go to college for free.
	I mean, we all understood what was going on during the student loan fiasco.
	And, you know, I'm watching all these people who didn't want to pay for their student loans.
	They wanted that covered by the government, which is, of course, again, you.
	I mean, think about it. They're not willing to pay for their own education or their, in many cases, worthless degrees.
	But they want you to pay for it.
	It wasn't good enough for them to pay for it, but they want you to pay for it.
	So again, who's going to fit the bill?
	The taxpayer. And it's an estimated cost of $1.2 million and counting because you know it's getting a lot bigger.
	But according to the New York Post, Adams plans to provide as many as 100 illegal immigrants with 12 months of classes, room and board in upstate Sullivan County.
	And the project could continue indefinitely.
	Of course it will.
	It will only expand.
	It will only encourage more people to come here illegally.
	to get on these programs and these systems that, again, you get to pay for.
	So it's not like we're doing well in education as a country, right?
	We're like 28th in the world, but we're going to put more people who aren't paying into the system.
	There's going to be no consequence to that.
	We're going to keep charging good, hardworking Americans to pay for their kids and yours and theirs and everyone that's illegal, and it's never going to end.
	Now it's just another example of the never-ending welfare system being created by Democrats for people who aren't even citizens in our country.
	It will continue.
	They want to give them the power to vote.
	They want these things because they can put them on a program.
	They can be dependent forever.
	And they are loyal and will be loyal Democrat voters in perpetuity.
	Giving free housing, healthcare and education to people who willfully broke our laws while you have to come out of pocket.
	Work your butts off to pay for it.
	It never ends.
	Just when you think It doesn't get any worse, though.
	We get to talk about Joe Biden's budget disaster.
	Because as bad as the open borders us, it's just one example of Democrats and their out-of-touch priorities.
	Joe Biden released his $6.8 trillion budget proposal, which is just filled with far-left pet projects.
	But honestly...
	Little to actually address the issues that matter the most, that affect you, me, and the people who pay for all of these programs.
	For example, the word climate is mentioned 148 times in Joe Biden's $6.8 trillion budget proposal.
	Equity is mentioned 63 times.
	So when we talk about equity, remember, that's equality of outcome.
	Okay, not of opportunity, but they will gladly spend your money to make sure the outcomes are the same.
	And in the end, they'll never be the same, right?
	But it'll look that way and create disasters.
	Environmental justice is mentioned 25 times.
	I mean, imagine how many line items are going to be in there for environmental justice.
	We don't even know what that means.
	And I don't think Joe Biden does either, but it's in there and it's in there a lot.
	But border security, that's only mentioned eight times, and there's little or nothing to actually stop the crisis that's going on at our border, whether it's the fentanyl scourge coming across, killing tens of thousands of Americans a year.
	Whether it's the human trafficking crisis, the child sex trafficking crisis, the drugs, the murder, the mayhem, and of course I'm sure it's the welcome to terrorists and everyone else across the world to come here and get on our programs and hate our guts and you know, minor details like that. Think about what a fiscal atrocity this all is.
	Higher taxes, no cuts would be a disaster for this economy, but they don't care.
	They're more than happy to pay for votes by spending your hard-earned money to buy them.
	Now, thankfully, hopefully, the budget will hit a dead end in the House.
	Kevin McCarthy's already said some of this stuff is insane, but he's only got a slim majority.
	So we have to be vocal and we have to be loud and make sure that people just understand how ridiculous all of this is.
	And now, according to the LA Times, folks...
	Our last story for the night.
	You might think it's a joke, but it was actually published in the LA Times.
	I posted it up on my social accounts earlier in the week.
	I commented it on Twitter and Truth and Instagram.
	But the title reads, How White and Affluent Drivers Are Polluting the Air Breathed by LA's People of Color.
	Yep. You guessed it, folks.
	Air is now racist.
	Air is racist because everything is racist.
	Or climate change. And since they're talking about pollution, they can have racism and climate change in one, which is like the holy grail of leftist insanity.
	But that's where we are, folks.
	The article claims that Angelenos, I guess people from Los Angeles, who drive more, tend to be exposed to less air pollution.
	And Angelinos who drive less tend to be more exposed to pollution, and that disproportionately hurts minorities.
	You heard it here, folks.
	Driving and the air we breathe is now racist because everything is and everything has a freaking excuse.
	And it never ends. So we're now going to head over to Jack Posobiec.
	We're going to talk a lot about Ukraine, the never ending war, how it ends, the mentality of that.
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	I think you'll enjoy this interview, and we'll be back shortly.
	Have a good one. Okay guys, Don Jr.
	here with another episode of Triggered.
	We got an ultimate America first fighter here.
	One of the guys, a journalist, but one of the few that's good.
	Jack Posobiec. You may know him from the MyPillow commercials and constant promos.
	Once in a while, we talk about the pillow.
	I mean, it's in there. It comes up.
	It comes up. From time to time. From time to time.
	There's pillow and actual news.
	Pillow, pillow. Well, it's the power of branding that, you know, look, like everybody else, I read Art of the Deal, right?
	And it says you have to make your brand something that people grab onto, that it's got to reach through the screen, smack somebody around.
	Repetition. Build the wall.
	Build the wall. Build the wall.
	Make America great. Make America great.
	People don't understand. Just over and over.
	You can have the greatest slogan in the world.
	You say it once. You know, sometimes you've got to beat things to death.
	This is why...
	Coke and Pepsi have such massive marketing budgets.
	Everybody knows what Coke is, everybody knows what Pepsi is, but it's still that repetition.
	We are the ones you remember.
	And this is why Coke used to, I don't know anymore, but they used to have all the Americana, Santa Claus, that was in, whereas Pepsi was going for that, like, oh, we're cool, we're hip, we're going to try to grab on some of that market.
	But Coke always dominates them, and even though They're one of the oldest, you know, ever since you actually had cocaine in the cans, they've been constantly out there.
	We're going to bring that back? We should bring that back.
	I think we should bring that back. I figured, hey, they always say that, you know, I'm an impassioned guy.
	The libertarians would love that.
	The libertarians would be all over that.
	Well, the left also says that, like, I'm an impassioned guy, right?
	I've not been accused of low energy.
	No, no, not once. That is a capital offense in the Trump family household.
	And so I'm not low energy, but they always say that Don Jr.
	is on cocaine. If we brought back that, I get, you know, not Hunter.
	I mean, he's got an addiction problem.
	I'm just, you know, I'm Yeah, which is funny because Hunter is the one we actually know.
	Yeah. Like, verifiable evidence.
	There's video. I believe it.
	I've seen parts of Hunter Biden that I can never unsee.
	And you've probably seen more than most in doing your research.
	Oh, you don't... I can't even describe it in polite company.
	What would it be, Jack, if it was Don Jr.?
	So, again, Jack from The War Room, from Real America's Voice.
	Again, as a journalist, one of the few willing to say this shit.
	All right, all right. Come on. If this was you...
	I mean, like, you would have been in jail for the last three years.
	They just bypassed the trial.
	They were like, you know, we're going to make an exception to due process.
	You would have been raided.
	And something with like, obviously, okay, so the gun document, right?
	The ATF documentation, are you on drugs while purchasing this gun or on this firearm?
	Or have you ever, you know, used drugs recently?
	No. That documentation that they had, they would just match that day one with it because that's one of those things in- What about disposing of a handgun in a garbage can across from a high school?
	And then the girlfriend throws it out to try to get her away from it.
	Now in Maryland, would she even be able to have possession of that gun legally?
	I know that in New York State where I used to be from, well, I'm just saying there's states, I don't know Delaware law specifically, but New York State where I was from, if I show up to a range with my handgun, you can't even touch my gun at the range to play with it if you don't have a concealed weapons permit.
	Because I know that in some of these states, Because I'm Pennsylvania originally, but if you go into Jersey, for example, so if I want to go to New Jersey, and let's say my buddy wants to go shooting, and we're going to go to a shooting range, I can't even have, it can't be loaded, the magazine has to be out, I have to go straight to the gun range, and then I can't go to his house afterwards.
	I can't go to his house and have some food.
	I have to go straight back home.
	Yeah, I'd have a problem with some of these things.
	Yeah, a little bit. I think, look, obviously one of your biggest issues, and probably that of the people who watch this, you know, just putting together everything that's going on.
	You know, on War Room, you talk about it a lot.
	On Real America's Voice, you talk about it.
	But let's talk Ukraine.
	Yeah. Because I think what people don't understand, what we have, we've been friendly for a long time.
	I think our politics are probably very much aligned based on everything that I've said.
	A little simpatico. I'd say slight overlap, like 100%.
	It's pretty simple. It's called putting America first.
	Yeah, which shouldn't mean it's not racist.
	No. It's not transphobic.
	No. It's not homophobic.
	It's not chauvinist.
	And yet, we're branded those things for even saying it.
	It's a very simple idea of taking the people that were born in this country, that are citizens of this country, putting their interests ahead of everybody else.
	And that's it. Expand on it.
	It's a simple list. I want you to define it because you actually, you make it one of your sort of critical tenets.
	You know, what does it mean? Because everyone tries to bastardize it, right?
	I'm watching the establishment.
	It's so weird. Isn't that weird? They're like, well, we're America first.
	Ish. Unless we can get a widget for our billion dollar corporation half a cent cheaper by going to China.
	We're America first so long as we can get the people we want who will tell their constituency what they want to hear.
	But not really vote that way in D.C. So there's a difference between pretend and real.
	Talk about that. There's a bad...
	Like, example, I think, a bad lesson that a lot of people took from, they say, Trumpism.
	And they think Trumpism just means doing normal Republican stuff with swagger.
	You know, it's like, I'm going to spit a toothpick in your face while I cut taxes or take more money from China or sign more deals with the CCP. No, no, no, no.
	No, it's actually doing it. No, it's actually doing it.
	It's actually caring. And this is why when you look at going to East Palestine versus being in Ukraine is just so...
	I mean, you couldn't script that.
	It was the dumbest possible move that Biden could have done.
	And yet we're not even surprised right now.
	Meaning, we should be surprised.
	We should frankly be...
	Honestly, I was. I was. We should be fucking disgusted.
	I couldn't believe... You know, and then Buttigieg is taking some more personal time because the months he took off during the midst of a supply chain crisis with 300, that wasn't enough.
	He needs more personal time.
	He had to strap the lactation machine to him.
	I think it was chest feeding? The chest feeding, yeah, yeah.
	It was the chest feeder. We want to make sure.
	But, yeah, I mean, that's...
	But it's taking a town like that...
	Which is a town that's not supposed to matter, a town that nobody cares about, a town where their jobs got shipped overseas by Republicans and Democrats.
	Their American dream got shipped overseas.
	Their American dream. It wasn't even the jobs.
	It was everything they loved our country for was like, fuck you guys, we're sending it abroad.
	Right, is taken abroad.
	And then, and by the way, and look, I'm from Pennsylvania, you know, you go out to some of those towns that are just across the border, and These are the families that they join the military, they go to church, they work the jobs that nobody else wants to do.
	It's like that scene in Fight Club, right?
	know, we cook your food, we watch you while you sleep. And all of these other
	people just take, totally take advantage of them, totally take advantage of them.
	So when I think about America first, I just, I try to lay it out for people
	because there were certain issues in the 2015 to 2016 campaign that I think that
	Trump totally just grabbed onto that nobody else was talking about.
	Obviously, number one was immigration, right?
	Border and immigration, number one.
	But it's not just illegal immigration.
	It's this idea of we're going to replace...
	Remember all those stories about the workers at Disney having to train their own replacements that are coming in at H-1B? Silicon Valley having to train the replacements.
	And just crushing... Crushing the lifeblood of our country.
	Right. You know, again, the people you would think would be like, oh yeah, we got to put them first.
	You know, the billionaire class, they're fine.
	We're catering to the wrong people.
	Precisely. And like when Trump said that, that was like, why would you care about the forgotten people?
	It's like, what? Because they're forgotten.
	Who cares about those? That's fly over country.
	Yeah, that's it. That's whatever. All those nobodies.
	And they haven't learned, but that's the thing that's crazy.
	You saw 16, and rather than learning from that and adapting, they just took COVID and weaponized it to cheat in elections.
	We'll start ballot harvesting.
	We don't actually have to cater to those people.
	We'll just ballot harvest, and that's how we'll win.
	And again, fuck them.
	Screw their opinion. It doesn't actually matter.
	This is what we're going to do to win, because it's really more about power than it is actually satisfying.
	It's the most cynical, nihilistic thing you've ever heard.
	But that being said, and I say this to a lot of Republicans, and I get a lot of guff for saying it, and people don't like it when I say it.
	Look, if ballot harvesting is legal, then we've got to do that in every single state where it's legal.
	I've actually said this on the show.
	I've only been on for a month. Literally, there is no other issue.
	Policy, right now, means jack shit.
	No. Policy, VP... The candidate, VP... None of it matters.
	You're done. Because you cannot win if you're not playing this game.
	Now, I think we'll all agree also that we want same-day voting.
	You know, the socialists in Europe are like, wow, it's crazy.
	You don't have ideas. You don't do same-day voting.
	You don't have paper. I don't understand.
	I interviewed the French politician.
	He came in. He goes, well, actually, the first thing he said was, he goes, look, I heard they were saying that January 6th was a coup.
	That was not a coup. We will show you a coup.
	You know, chop, chop. You want to see a coup?
	We'll show you. You guys invented it.
	But they're like, How do you know who is voting without ID? How do you have a country that cannot vote in one day?
	How do you allow this?
	Even though the left-leaning parts of those people are confused, and yet, so I'm all for those things, but we are the biggest idiots in the world if we think we're going to get there by not playing the game the way they are.
	They're like, hey, we've lost the American people.
	Joe Biden's out there saying, hey, it's shocking.
	Republicans are voting for, blue-collar workers are voting Republican.
	Who would have thought that? Because you don't do anything.
	It's not that hard to fathom, but they're like, it doesn't matter.
	We'll just figure out another way to game the system.
	So policy, the candidates, none of that matters if you can't win.
	We want those things. We want same-day paper ballots with IDs, yada, yada, yada.
	But we can't get there until you win.
	We can't effectuate that.
	Where it is one-day voting, where it is voter ID, where all of that stuff, you know, Scott Kressler's walking around here.
	I'm looking at, like, he's the guy right there.
	He's the guy. Scott, you're the guy.
	What's up, Scott? Scott, you're the man.
	We'll have you on eventually, too, buddy.
	And, you know, here live at CPAC. And that...
	You need to maintain that and protect it for everything that it's worth.
	A lot of red states are like that, but there's also red states that have early voting, they have ballot harvesting, and I want to break the box because when you look at California, there were pastors out there in Orange County, which is nominally a red county, where they said, okay, fine, if you're allowed to have drop boxes, they found out that there's actually written into California law a provision for what they call temporary drop boxes.
	What's a temporary dropbox, you might add?
	Well, that's a collection point where people can drop off their ballots and then it's then taken to one of the official dropboxes.
	Okay, great. So the pastor said, well, that's wonderful.
	I'll just throw that in the back of my church.
	And then they'll try to revoke their 501 status.
	They tried to revoke them. They tried to sue.
	They tried to use every legal tool under the sun.
	But here's the problem. The way they had written the laws for their guys protected everything that the churches were doing.
	Because let's think about it. Churches have always been, historically, voting centers in the United States going back to the start of voting in the United States.
	Back home in Pennsylvania, I think I've only ever voted...
	Actually, my first where we used to live was like a high school gym, but then the next one, it was always churches for years.
	So the idea that a church couldn't do that, it's insane.
	And so they don't want the right doing this.
	Well, because finally we do it.
	But why is even the turnout, whether it's the evangelical community, still surprisingly low when their big thing is either life or religious liberty, both of which are literally facing perhaps the largest assault.
	down your door because you're too pro-life in front of your eight children
	in by the way suburban Philadelphia if they're willing to do that there then I
	guarantee you they're willing to do it everywhere and I say this as a Catholic
	when I hear that they're making lists of Catholic churches that are a little bit
	too Catholic for their taste. Those are extremists but but the guy that has racial rants on
	his Facebook page and runs through a Christmas parade.
	Thank you so much for bringing that up. Well, the car...
	The car... Like, what?
	A fucking magical car? Like, it just magically drove through the street and killed people?
	Car hits parade.
	If it's not a white...
	We can see, by the way, that he had ties to a local Milwaukee black separatist group of crazy people, for sure.
	But that's never listed, that's never, you know, put somewhere, no, he's a MAGA hat.
	You can hear it.
	Three, two, one, gone.
	Oh, mental illness, and he was having a bad day.
	There's always an excuse. Isolate.
	Lone wolf. Remember? They used to say that for ISIS. Lone wolf.
	Somebody had a meme about Skittles at one point where we were talking about that.
	I put out the Skittles like, hey, basically, if you have a bowl of Skittles, and if one of them was poisonous, would you take a bite?
	From the ball. Would you hand that to your kids?
	Of course the answer's not. They're like, it's racist!
	I got sued. It cost me like 10 grand.
	It's literally, it's an analogy.
	And I stand by it 100%.
	Of course you wouldn't. It's actually an IQ test.
	What are you, an idiot? They're not worth it.
	They're not that good. Meanwhile, we don't even talk about all of the refugees that came over from Afghanistan, the ones that did come out during that debacle.
	And how many Skittles got through there?
	So that's why when I talk about...
	The answer's a lot. Oh, so many.
	Talk about the dichotomy of that, right?
	We know there are people on terror watch lists, and we're like, whatever.
	When we left, we left the Taliban.
	Yes. Beyond 86 billion in equipment, which is insane.
	Now they're selling it to the Russians.
	We're using it in Ukraine against the equipment that we're sending.
	So it's like a never-ending churn of taxpayer-funded bullshit.
	And how do you think Ukraine's going to end?
	Me. Disaster. We'll talk about that in a minute.
	Exactly the same way. But we also left the Taliban biometric scanners so they can figure out who was helping us for 20 years against them.
	That's exactly right. So they're called CQNs.
	We're giving them biometric scanners to figure it out.
	The people that we've been at war with for 20 years, we're just letting them willy-nilly into the country.
	I mean, think of how insane that is.
	Actually, those biometric scanners, some of them, because obviously the internet latency and connectivity in Afghanistan is not so good, that what they would have is preloaded lists of our informants, of people who are cleared to work on base, you know, CCNs.
	Why would you help the US? And then you would...
	Why would you ever help the U.S. if this is the way we treat those who've been helping us for 20 years in a war?
	It's like just money.
	It comes down to money. Because people think I can get off in the middle there.
	And actually a story we broke on Human Events today is that I've got the pitch deck Of everyone's favorite colonel, I know your favorite colonel, certainly my favorite colonel, Alexander Vindman, the chow thief himself.
	Did you know that he set up a defense contracting company?
	Of course he did. Of course, because of course he did.
	I mean, I'm not even, I'm distressed, but I'm not even surprised.
	Right, so we got his whole pitch deck.
	He's going to pitch the Ukrainian government on logistics and maintenance for his Trident support, is what they're calling it.
	Even though he's an army guy, he's calling it Trident.
	So he and his brother, they set up a defense contractor.
	They're petitioning the Ukrainian military for contracts.
	Their initial bid is $12 million.
	By the way, our money.
	Which is actually our money, obviously.
	It's your money. So remember that. It's actually our money.
	Maybe complain. So this is a war that he played a huge role in starting an oversight, shall we say...
	Overblown role in starting, and now he's trying to profiteer on the back end for himself.
	We've got the entire pitch deck, humanevents.com.
	People can go read it. This isn't the only guy doing it.
	And this is what it's about.
	They want money. That's what it is.
	That guy lied about everything, started an impeachment, basically.
	Tried suing me, and that's thrown out in about two seconds because it's bullshit.
	But again, when you have the full force weight of big tech, Mainstream media, the Democrat Party, their willingness to basically go total scorched earth while Republicans, oh, I don't want to offend anyone.
	That's why they win, folks.
	We're doing all this dunking online.
	You know what we're going to do? I'm going to point out the hypocrisy.
	I see it this week. And hey, I'm guilty of it myself.
	But it's like, how about fight back?
	Look, we were right. Guess what?
	They still fucking won.
	They got everything they wanted.
	And two years later, they're laughing their ass off to the bank.
	This is what they're doing with Wuhan now. So they made all the money on Wuhan on the front end by saying, oh no, this wasn't China.
	This wasn't the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
	And now Chris Ray is like, okay, it was China.
	But the reason that we couldn't say it was because Trump said it, and now The View is out there today, Jimmy Kimmel is out there, and they say Trump screwed it all up, and they're trying to get just a little bit more blood out of that stone by saying it was Trump's fault.
	Trump said what everyone with a brain knew.
	Right. No, no, no.
	It didn't come from the lab that we've been funding that we know is studying the exact virus in question that leaked in the town where it originated.
	It came from five feet outside that lab.
	Yes. Because someone ate a bat.
	Yes. But it's a bad batch of bat soup.
	When was that ever even...
	When was the Wuhan lab leak theory not 100% the most plausible answer?
	Just obvious. It was always obvious.
	It's a very obvious answer. But if you said it, you were canceled.
	If you were a doctor and said it, you were...
	I mean, this goes on and on.
	So now we're dunking on them. See, we were right.
	Which, by the way, though... But they got everything they wanted out of it.
	Which we gotta change.
	This goes back...
	You were asking me before about the tenets of MAGO, the tenets of America First, because it's not just a slogan.
	It actually means you have to put these things first.
	So when I look at the supply chains, when I look at the issues that we have where we're just totally in bed with the CCP, and we have been for 30 years at this point, when Tiananmen Square happened, We easily could have said, you know what, I'm done.
	Not doing any more business with these guys, but that's not what happened.
	The Bush family went over there, and they said, all right, you guys can stay in power, but here's how the deal's going to work.
	You're going to be the manufacturers of the world.
	You're going to be the factory.
	You're going to be, you know, the house where everything gets made.
	We'll send you the Western capital.
	We'll send you the IP. So Apple will send over their products.
	You guys build it for us, and then we'll make the money on the back end.
	And forget about middle America, because who cares about them anyway?
	And like any other drug, we got hooked.
	Okay. And we got hooked. And once we got hooked, then they gained all the control.
	Exactly. And now it's like, maybe if we have all the factories, if we have all the supply chains, if we have the assembly lines, maybe we actually have the power and you guys are the ones working for us, not the other way around.
	Because what are they doing? They're unleashing TikTok, they're unleashing fentanyl, they're unleashing everything they can into our society on the back end.
	Yeah. Or, I mean, TikTok is the most flagrant.
	What your kid does as an idiot 13-year-old will eventually be weaponized against them in 20 years if they amount to anything.
	Precisely. They're getting all of it.
	And we don't even see that. Now, so you mentioned sort of, you know, middle America, you're from Pennsylvania.
	One of the other things we have in common, we'll get to the big one when we get further into Ukraine.
	Like, I sort of grew up in Pennsylvania as well.
	I got out of, I went to boarding school, so it was a little different.
	I understand. Where you went to school is like, so I'm from Norristown, which is the same town.
	Yeah, right there. Yeah, right down 422.
	So that was home of Mrs.
	Smith's Pie, Firestone, Tires.
	Yep. And, you know, I grew up in it.
	And again, it was sort of a spoiled kid place in the middle of a town that was experiencing exactly the problems from those policies.
	And for folks who don't know, it's right next to Allentown.
	Yeah. It's, you know, but I loved it there.
	I learned a lot. It's a big part of my initial political leanings because I saw, like, what happened.
	I go, wow, these are great people. I grew up with them.
	Half the, you know, half people were local.
	We went to school together. And you go there, and you see the rundown factories, and you see the policies now, as I'm a little bit older, that got us there where we shipped it all to China for the benefit of, you know, that establishment billionaire class.
	That was all steel country. That was all steel country.
	Bethlehem Steel was there. Allentown.
	Yeah, right there. That, you know, those mills where everybody was working on that, that's why the Rust Belt is called the Rust Belt now.
	Because the factories just went belly up.
	It's actually a casino now.
	Yeah, of course. You know, because what else?
	Yeah, why not? You know, just give you another addiction.
	And so this idea that we're going to ship it all over to China, we're going to give them all our supply chains.
	And then the final one, which is basically tied to that.
	So obviously trade, right?
	So immigration, border and immigration, trade, and then just foreign Just foreign policy in general, which is tied to trade, obviously.
	So this sense that, are we going to run around the world trying to nation-build in Afghanistan, trying to nation-build in Iraq, knock over Libya for some reason, and now we're doing the exact same thing in Ukraine, because we have to defeat Vladimir Putin, because if we don't fight him there, we'll have to fight him here.
	And that Zelensky said, and I got a lot of trouble this week because my team, when they came to me, they said, you know, we can do these deepfakes of Joe Biden.
	And I said, oh, that's great.
	Do a deepfake of Biden, but we'll say it's like a year from now, and let's do a sneak peek into where things are going because I can read the tea leaves.
	And we made a deepfake of Biden, and we put all the disclaimers on it.
	It's a preview, blah, blah, blah.
	And of course, you know, they're losing their minds on us because what I did was I said...
	Do a deepfake of Biden invoking the Selective Service Act.
	When I wrote the script for this, I pulled the actual Selective Service Act.
	If you turn 20 in the calendar year, when that thing is invoked, guess what?
	See you later, buddy.
	You're going off.
	And this sent shockwaves.
	People are all mad at me for doing it.
	But look, I'm starting a conversation.
	And then what happens the very next day?
	Zelensky comes out and says, well, if Russia isn't defeated now, your sons and daughters are going to be coming out.
	The context, they'll try to say, well, if you go into the rest of NATO, and I don't think Russia's going to do that.
	But, I mean, let's talk Ukraine, because you and I are going to have...
	But that's his point. His point is to say that if Russia is going to continue forward, and it was the same thing I heard for 20 years in Afghanistan, that if we're not here fighting the Taliban, we're going to be fighting here.
	It's the same thing. Exactly.
	Not one of these things has worked out the way we've told, and yet we're going to keep believing it.
	We have to stop Vietnam because communism is going to spread.
	Guess what? Vietnam became a communist country, right?
	But last time I checked, the United States did not fall because of that.
	They're actually balancing out a little bit of China because even the Chinese are now pissed off that the Vietnamese are undercutting their manufacturing capabilities to the price.
	So it's actually creating tension despite the fact that...
	Right, and Vietnam's hated China for a long time.
	China ruled there for a thousand years in, you know, a long, long time ago.
	And so the Vietnamese, no love lost there.
	So finally Americans, and I actually, when I was in the military, did some work there training with the Vietnamese military, Vietnamese Navy, in fact, to say, hey, wait a minute, you know, we hate China too.
	That's interesting. So it's like we never actually think beyond step one in any of these things.
	So let's talk about that, right? I think I opened up the show talking about some of the similarities we have.
	We're both also from Eastern European descent, right?
	That's right. I spent a lot of my time growing up in what was then communist Czechoslovakia.
	You know, my grandfather was, you know, old school Eastern European.
	So I want to talk about that mentality.
	And I've got to ask this.
	Because my kids, you know, because my wife also, she was born in the Soviet Union.
	My kids have the Eastern European grandfather thing going on now, too.
	Would you do summers? Is that what you would do, basically?
	Yeah, so I did summers. I mean, I speak fluent Czech.
	I spent summers there.
	Like, my first memory of fear was actually going over there.
	I think, like, the first time I went there, I was, like, five, six years old.
	It was going to be just me and him for, like, two months in communist Czechoslovakia.
	And, like, I got to the airport. He was picking me up.
	And, like, a dude in, like, a Soviet-looking...
	Military uniform with an AK over your shoulder pulls me out of line because I'm wearing like, it's the early 80s, right?
	I'm wearing like a jean jacket with like stars on it.
	Are you here to spread the propaganda?
	I'm like, I'm like six.
	I'm like, I literally had no idea what that even meant.
	Yeah. Let alone like, and it was like, holy crap.
	So you were already causing trouble. So I was already causing trouble.
	Good. But then I also... To the communists.
	Yeah. Yes, I have a long tradition now.
	Very on brand, very on brand. But, you know, my grandfather, also old school kind of guy, like, I'm the guy that went, you know, if we got bread and milk, like, still like, literally aluminum, you know, glass milk jars and bread and whole loaves and stuff, I was the guy that went to the stores.
	Like, I've waited in those lines.
	I've seen what it's like. And it's always interesting watching all these people glorify communism, socialism, who've never actually experienced it.
	They have no clue. So you and I share that in common.
	It also started my political leanings, because I saw what the institution of communism did to people who were intelligent people, hardworking, or would have been had it made a difference.
	Right. If you start to question the system, And if you're smart enough to understand that there's problems and you start speaking about that, they're pulling you out of line, all right, and you ain't going back.
	In my mom's wedding picture to my dad, I remember seeing it on the wall of my parents.
	I was like, well, my grandfather's there, but why is my grandmother not there?
	And the answer is they wouldn't let both of them out of the country.
	They'd let my grandfather out of the country to walk his daughter down the aisle.
	But they wouldn't let both because they knew no one's coming back.
	I mean, if there is sort of a better analogy for how bad a system is that you won't let people out because you know they're not coming back, it seems like an exemplary fail.
	We've talked about that with my kids, about maybe doing summers.
	When they're a little older, my oldest is four, he'll be five.
	So we're thinking kind of on that cusp, not sure yet.
	But it's probably different now.
	Hopefully no wars going on at the time.
	It's probably different now, but there's still a mentality.
	I mean, not that much.
	Who am I kidding? Well, but talk about that because that's what people don't understand about Ukraine.
	Is it better? Sure. Is it much better?
	Not really. There's an old school mentality there.
	It's okay to be tough. Czech Republic is.
	Czech Republic is. Oh yeah, 100%.
	But there's still that mentality, right?
	Like my grandfather, you see the stuff, he'd be like, you're kidding me with this bullshit, right?
	Right. So we're talking about a war in Ukraine and we're trying to implement the...
	Recent American, like, everyone wins participation medal, everyone's so welcoming of everything, like, that doesn't exist there.
	No. So, you know, someone once said about some issues, this was actually talking about a guy that's a big conservationist, talking about, you know, the stuff that was going on in Africa with, like, American, you know, NGOs going in there, and he's like, you can't solve third-world problems with first-world solutions.
	That's correct. We're trying to do that in Ukraine, but we can't do it because we can't even put ourselves into the mindset of what are they thinking there.
	So I want to hear your take on Ukraine, because I think it's probably far more informed than anything we've been taking.
	So, I mean, and to your point, it's exactly right.
	This is an honor culture.
	It's a traditional culture, extremely traditional.
	You know, nobody's asking you your pronouns anywhere east of Berlin, you know.
	What? You know, with that stuff, but when you look at just even the refugee crisis, and I mentioned my wife Tanya, so she's got friends, and people don't understand the connectivity of this area, because if you're from Russia, Ukraine, or Belarus, up until like 30 years ago, that was all one country.
	100%. Right? And so you've got people that are like, well, which are you?
	And it's like, well, my dad's from here, my mom's from here, and I grew up here.
	50% certainly isn't related to Crimea.
	Yeah. Like, more than 50% sort of, we'll use the word identified, but they actually, like, genetically, there's a lineage that, like, they're like, I'm fine with Russia being here.
	And Crimea was part of Russia going all the way back, by the way, longer than the United States has existed as a country.
	Yeah. Right, prior to 1776.
	There's some history there. You know, all of U.S. history is, like, on the shelf compared to this.
	So, We're meddling in affairs that go back, and by the way, Afghanistan was the same deal.
	Afghanistan was thousands of years, right?
	With this, you'd say at least hundreds of years, if not more than that.
	And so it really strikes across a lot of different families, and suddenly these new borders pop up, and oh, you're this now, which never existed, and you're this, and you're that.
	But now suddenly, after...
	2014. Also, the addition is that, oh, we have to hate those guys now, even though, wait, but our grandfathers all fought the Germans together.
	Like, we were all on the same side.
	What do you mean? We have to hate them.
	And so, just one of these stories that my wife heard from one of her Ukrainian girlfriends, who did flee, is now in France.
	All the men have to stay back, because under martial law, the men are not allowed to leave.
	And he may not even know this, I don't know if they're able to talk, but his wife and daughter over in France right now, guess what kind of classes their eight-year-old daughter is being forced to take?
	It's all gender ideology classes.
	And this mother says, wait a minute, so you're taking the children out of Ukraine, you're sending them to Western Europe, now you're re-educating them with all the gender insanity.
	We're fighting for what exactly here?
	If you're fighting for your nationhood, that is how you lose nationhood very quickly.
	That is how... But is that part of the objective?
	When you look at sort of the globalists and you look at their agenda, I mean...
	It may not be the purpose of all of it, but it certainly seems like a great byproduct that's not exactly upsetting anyone at the WEF and Davos.
	It's an interesting question that you tend to see these things in tandem.
	I personally think, if you press me on it, I'd say that they will find whatever piece of political, radicalized It's an agitprop that they can use in any country to their advantage.
	So if you're in a traditional country, you would talk about LGBT rights.
	If you're going to a country that has an oppressed minority, then you would take them and say, like Syria, they always talk about the Kurds, right?
	And Iraq as well. We have to fight for the Kurds.
	We have to fight for the Kurds. So that's why, because Assad is bad to the Kurds, then we have to overtake Assad.
	It worked out again. It worked out so well in Libya.
	It worked out so well in Iraq.
	I'm not saying these guys are angels, don't get me wrong, but are they better off now?
	They'll find any reason to have to push this.
	Now, whether that's the real reason or whether that's just a convenient excuse, that's a hard question.
	But then, of course, we've also got, they use this as well in democratic countries.
	They're hungry right now and Samantha Power from USAID is going over.
	They don't like Viktor Orban and they don't like his politics because he's an actual conservative.
	And so they're going over and saying, well, we need to support LGBT rights and we need to do this.
	And he signed laws saying that you can't have, you know, this propaganda in children's content the same way that Ron DeSantis is doing in Florida, that, you know, other countries have done to say, hey, we don't want this for kids.
	And suddenly, suddenly this is a priority of the national government that we're putting into our...
	With your taxpayer dollars.
	Yeah, right. These aren't like little government programs.
	And that's why I get when people are kind of scratching their heads.
	COVID aid that went for a drag queen story hour. I'm like, what the hell does drag queen story hour have to do with COVID aid?
	Why would there be any money and why would it be funded on an issue that's not even?
	They use it to their purposes because they don't want Ukraine to have good relations with Russia.
	They don't want Viktor Orban to be in charge in Hungary.
	They don't want... They didn't want Donald Trump to be president of the United States.
	So what do they do? COVID comes out.
	The election laws get changed.
	George Floyd, BLM gets activated.
	Antifa gets activated. What we saw here in the United States in 2020 was a textbook color revolution.
	And I think people need to understand that this is the same type of stuff that we see getting knocked over in other countries that's been done again and again.
	We're just not used to seeing it in our own shores.
	Yeah. So we talked a little bit about, you know, obviously the personality of the people, not understanding it there, but how about talking about the personality and that Eastern European mentality mindset with the leaders?
	You know, I mean, is a guy like Putin, we're not saying he's a good guy, we're not saying anything, but understanding that Eastern European mindset and a leader like that, like, he's not going to lose face.
	He would rather start a nuclear war than lose face on a world set.
	And I don't think we're taking...
	I watched, I guess it was...
	Last week, they literally said, well, the UN's now going to allow, or NATO's going to allow Ukraine, and I go, wait, wait, wait.
	You're going to take the biggest bargaining chip, arguably, at least the excuse for the beginning of this war, you're just going to take it off the table and you're talking about peace with a straight face?
	How do you do that?
	You can't take...
	The golden goose and be like, yeah, that's off the table.
	We're still going to come up with peace.
	Meanwhile, what NATO country is going to vote for a country to join that currently has an invasion with a nuclear power in their country as a member?
	No, the people won't want it, but the people in power, there's still money.
	That's what I said. I mean, this war ain't stopping until the money stops.
	Well, it's basically like this.
	Everyone's getting rich. I don't think Tony Soprano is a good guy, but I'm not trying to pick a fight with him either.
	You know what I mean? I'm not going to challenge him on his turf because I think he's going to respond.
	I'm a Russia apologist. I'm pretty proud of my Czech heritage.
	I'm an American first. I'm Polish.
	These are not people we like.
	These are people we despise because of the way they oppressed us and my family.
	Every American president throughout the entire Cold War understood one singular focus.
	We do not want to get into a shooting war with the Soviet Union.
	That was the point of...
	It was like the whole thing.
	That was the reason why it was a Cold War, not a hot war.
	So this idea is, guess what?
	What's the difference between Russia and Iraq and Syria and Afghanistan, Libya and all those countries that we just talked about?
	Oh, they have nuclear weapons, 6,000 of them.
	More of them than we have, as a matter of fact.
	And they're probably not afraid to lose them.
	And when you lose that face, again, going back to that attitude, it changes things.
	I will say that, in my opinion, and I'm no military scholar, but you were an intelligence guy in the military.
	What Russia did in Ukraine is probably one of the great underperforms in modern military history, meaning everyone was like, oh, that'll be over in two weeks.
	Now, they're fighting a proxy war with the U.S. We've spent $130 billion to make sure that it's at least a little bit close.
	It seems like every time Russia wins, it's like, well, that's not a strategic win.
	Every time Ukraine takes out a tank, it's a huge victory for Ukraine.
	Or then you get the, you know, don't forget the pilots, you know, the ghost of Kiev who took out 50 Russian fighters in one day and the guy who took out 100 tanks all by himself, you know.
	Even aside from the propaganda, it seems like an underperformance on the Russia side.
	But I think in terms of the mind of a megalomania of Putin, that changed into the thing because he's not going to lose.
	So when we were there, so we traveled into Ukraine.
	We went all the way down to Odessa.
	We went down to Nikolai. We weren't just hanging out in the West.
	We went in. We rode the train all the way down into southern Ukraine, down to the Black Sea, put my hand in the Black Sea, brought home a bottle full of sand from the beach there.
	I've been there myself. I saw a sign that probably wasn't there when you were there, because it said, don't go on the beach, there are landmines.
	That's a little different. That's a little different, yeah.
	By the way, that was a big summering area for Russians.
	It still is. That's where they went to summer.
	Right, because that's their beach. It's like a beach town.
	Florida. Right, basically.
	But what blew my mind was, I said, wait a minute, what do you mean the trains are running?
	What do you mean? I had cell phone signal the entire way in.
	And this is summer of 2022.
	What I realized going in was that the way Russia is approaching this fight is different than how they would fight in, say, Chechnya or in Syria against ISIS. They're not just trying to level everything because I do think that it is a you-break-it-you-bought-it kind of situation where they want to maintain some kind of influence After the war, as opposed to just going in, wiping out everybody, and then coming back.
	Whether or not they're going to achieve that, I don't know.
	I mean, listen, you saw that in sort of the fake Joe Biden press conference 10 days ago, where it's like, wow, I don't know.
	You mean the presidential palace is still standing?
	It looked pretty good. They did the obligatory fake air raid sirens to make it seem, like, let's create urgency because we need a couple hundred billion dollars.
	You've been, for the last, what, six, seven years, surrounded by Secret Service constantly.
	Let me ask you a question, Don.
	If the Secret Service thought there was an airstrike about to happen, do you think they'd be letting you just stroll down the street?
	I know a lot of these guys, and they're great Americans.
	A lot of them are good friends of mine. But also, when the air raid siren goes off, you notice no one was like...
	No. Every soldier, every person...
	Even CNN is sitting there, like, I don't know, man, I've been here for five days.
	They haven't heard any of this stuff.
	That's the point where if you've got Secret Service, and you know better than me, that they would take the protectee and they don't even talk to you.
	They don't even talk to you.
	They're grabbing you, and you're in the back of the truck, and you're gone.
	You're just gone. There's no question about it.
	And then, of course, it came out afterwards that, well, of course we called Putin first.
	They asked his permission. By the way, I'd go a step further, and I think...
	I would say that every single foreign leader before they go to Kiev to meet with Zelensky or whatever they're doing there probably makes that same courtesy call.
	And probably most of Hollywood who's there for the obligatory photo op.
	Absolutely. Like, hey listen, we're there for the photo op.
	Give us a little bit of slack.
	When you look at the situation writ large, you have to ask ourselves, what is our strategic goal here?
	What exactly is it that we need out of this situation?
	Because I'm sure you could go around to Washington, D.C. or any major city in the United States, and I'd say, can you point to Bakhmut on a map?
	Can you tell me where, you know, Liman or Lichichansk or one of these cities, Donbass?
	Most of them couldn't even find Ukraine.
	Right. I saw a skid the other night on one of the stations and it was like, half the people were pointing to Australia.
	I mean, Russia is by landmass the largest country in the world.
	It shouldn't be that hard to find on a map.
	And it's a neighboring nation. They invaded with tanks.
	It's got to be right there on that edge.
	It's not that hard. But we don't even know.
	The actual danger is getting back to why I made that video, and I 100% stand by that video, is to make a point that if we are going to continue escalating, In this conflict with the Russians, certainly at a time, and you're exactly right, at a time where the Kremlin does not want to lose face, does not want to look like they obviously...
	I mean, Putin has put his entire legacy on the line with this.
	And it's like... And he's no longer at war with Ukraine.
	In my opinion, and I've been pretty consistent on my feelings about Ukraine, very contrary to even a lot of Republicans from the last few years.
	More than any Republican that I can even think of, maybe even more than your dad, have just been so outspoken on this.
	Well, I'll ask you.
	What's the endgame? Where does it end?
	And again, as long as the money's flowing, it's not going to end, because that's how it is.
	Big war is getting a kickback.
	They watched Big Pharma get rich for a few years.
	They're saying... Give us some of that.
	I bet Republicans, hey, Don, slow down a little bit on the Ukraine stuff because a lot of that money is coming back here.
	I go, I don't care.
	And that's why you're telling me to slow down.
	I know your general wants his board seat at Raytheon.
	I get it. I know the game better than anyone at this point, but that's not the reason to do this.
	We've got a former board member from Boeing just announced for president, as a matter of fact.
	It's kind of funny how that works.
	It'll keep going because, again, you don't get that board seat and the sort of golden paycheck that comes with it if you're not perpetuating these things.
	This is why Eisenhower warned about the military-industrial complex because it creates a false set of incentives for people to go around.
	Washington said it in his farewell address as well.
	We shouldn't go around the world looking for monsters.
	The world is full of monsters.
	100%. Got it. Got it.
	But if we go around searching for wars of adventure, and this is something when people come in and they say, you know, why are you supporting Trump?
	Why are you still on the Trump train?
	What about this? What about that?
	This thing. I say, no wars.
	Do you understand how if we get into World War III, With a nuclear power, whether it be Russia or China.
	None of it matters. None of that other stuff.
	Not this issue and oh I didn't like that tweet and I didn't like this.
	It's all bullshit. It's because I'm terrified of what would happen to my kids, what would happen to my family, what would happen to, and by the way, I'm sure just like you, I still have a family that live in the region, that what could happen to them if They are called up, or they are being in harm's way.
	And you say, why do I support the one guy in the world that is saying, let's put down the weapons and talk?
	Well, that was the guy, when they were weaponizing it, that was the guy that was going to get us into World War III. Right, exactly.
	I mean, Trump was going to get us into World War III. Crazy rhetoric.
	Not the guy that's, oh, the one I don't even understand fully.
	And again, I take some of this stuff a little bit more personally, because I look at the Hunter-Don Jr.
	comparisons, I'm like, no one's even asking the question, If we've spent $130 billion in Ukraine, because maybe Ukraine has something on Joe, on Hunter.
	I mean, given where the smoke is there, are we making foreign policy decisions to cover up criminal acts of the first family and or just ludicrous kickback schemes?
	I think everybody looks at the laptop in the wrong way.
	Hunter Biden's laptop was his personal laptop.
	Now, let's say that you're a criminal, let's say that you're a drug user, that you're taking money hand over fist from these countries.
	Would you be saving all of that information on your personal laptop?
	What I ask, Jack, I go, for the most part.
	Imagine, imagine if we just step back.
	Imagine the shit that Hunter was like, You know what?
	Exactly. This is too much for video.
	Right. Right. You know, I'm not going to film this one.
	Don't record this. If that was all game, like, smoking crack with prostitutes, talking about the Russian mob having one of his laptops, because it feels like every enemy that we're at conflict with has a Hunter laptop.
	This is known. No one's asked the question, like, hey, man, could we be, like, on the brink of World War III to cover up 10% for the big guy?
	Or cover up a job that this guy had no business ever having?
	I don't understand. If this laptop was the dossier that Hunter Biden had on himself, right?
	Now imagine the dossier that the Ukrainians, the Russians, and the Chinese have on Hunter Biden, and the Biden family at large.
	The media is broken. I mean, we've seen that, whether it's Twitter, every week, COVID response, Twitter, Russia, Russia, Russia.
	I mean, they deserve no credibility.
	They deserve no quarter.
	The fact that anyone even tunes in to those mainstream sources anymore, honestly, both sides, is truly mind-boggling to me.
	How many times do you go lie to me?
	When's there a reckoning?
	When's there an accountability? You know, it's like when I see Chris Ray right now and suddenly he comes out, well, you know that Wuhan thing?
	You guys were right about that all along.
	Oh, my bad. Oh, I see.
	So, now that you see that Republicans have taken control of the House, And that Kevin McCarthy is there and that we do actually have Jim Jordan, I believe was just on, has the weaponization committee and is actually looking for it.
	I hear that he's adding new teeth to that, which I think is great.
	I think a lot of people, when it first started, were saying, okay, like we remember Trey Gowdy, we remember Fast and Furious, we remember Benghazi.
	Well, we know they're going to slow roll us. They're going to try to run out the clock and hope that they win an election and be able to put it to an end.
	Precisely. So what is the reckoning? The reckoning is the ballot box or the drop box, if it has to be the drop, whatever it is.
	The reckoning is the American people.
	The reckoning is the American people and the MAGA, America First movement of populists coming up and saying, no mas.
	But that didn't happen in this last midterm, right?
	We were expecting it because, like, we're on the brink of World War III. Your gas tank's costing twice as much to fill.
	You know, eggs are, like, a scarce resource in America in, like...
	It was insane, and yet...
	I think it was tactical.
	I really do think it was tactical. Well, I agree with that.
	But again, it's why we can't be playing the game we are.
	Because I don't believe that the American people thought, you know, well, the Democrats are right.
	Like, the hill to die on is, like, we've got to allow a three-year-old to chop off his penis to be able to, you know...
	I don't think the American people are there, but again, I think they're disgusted with that, but it didn't translate necessarily.
	I mean, we got house seats because that's a little bit more localized.
	It's harder to game the system.
	It's harder to go in every door in Philadelphia, knock on the door, be like, sure, you can't name who's there.
	Sure, John Fetterman's a vegetable, but like, give us your ballot, we'll take care of you.
	Well, Pennsylvania, by the way, to point that out, and I'll just say while I'm on here, I think, and I say this as from Pennsylvania, so I'm biased, but, you know, we're called the Keystone State for a reason, and you realize in 2024, there's a good chance now that because of Fetterman's health issues that, so Bob Casey, he's the current serving senator there, he's got a great name because of his dad, etc., everybody thinks it's him.
	He may not be running. He's up for election, but he may not actually run again.
	He's turning 70. Fetterman's got health issues.
	So let's say he's not there.
	If the current Governor Shapiro, if he were to appoint, he can only appoint until 24.
	They'd still have to have a special. You could have the balance of the Senate, two Senate seats, Plus, the presidential, all those electoral votes up in one state.
	And that's why when I hear these people come to me and they say, you know, I don't like the ballot harvesting.
	I don't like the drop boxes.
	That's not, that's not, what about intent?
	It's a singular issue if we don't focus on it.
	What about our principles? What about our values?
	I say, if you have a principle that makes you lose, maybe that's not a good principle.
	But the other side loves that.
	Right. They love that you're going to go cry and not participate.
	They love to cry, baby. They think it's the greatest thing in the world.
	That's why I'm like, hey, and I'm guilty.
	Like I said, I'm guilty of it myself.
	I'll call it the pouncing on Twitter.
	See, we were right? Right. But it doesn't matter because they still got what they wanted.
	Wait, we're right while they're running things.
	How do you end Ukraine before we go on to the next topic?
	How do you get out of that?
	Again, I don't think there's an endgame other than money, but how do we get out of there, especially if we're pulling off the biggest bargaining chips like NATO bringing in Ukraine?
	I think it's, look, when Barack Obama left the White House, there's this story that when When he spoke with Trump and he wrote that letter for Trump, he said the number one threat to him in the world.
	Remember, this is 2016. He didn't say Russia.
	He did not say Russia. He said North Korea, North Korea.
	My dad had that conversation when he was like, really?
	And he figured that out pretty quickly.
	And he talks about it all the time.
	And everybody assumed he would say Russia.
	Yeah. And he said, no, he's North Korea.
	And they said, well, they're not coming to the meetings anymore.
	There's six plus one talks.
	They're not talking to China.
	They're not doing this. They're just building these missiles.
	They're just building these nukes. And, you know, we've tried economic sanctions.
	We've tried military sanctions.
	We've tried, you know, legal sanctions.
	Have you tried calling him? Have you tried talking to him?
	Yeah. I used to do this.
	It's like, you know, Trump's going about it all wrong.
	You know, headline in the news. I'm like, Well, how do you know?
	Well, I've been in charge of policy in North Korea for 40 years.
	I go, well, what have you done?
	Have you had a meeting? So you're the guy that's led us to this point.
	So you've done nothing.
	You want to be the expert on TV and for pay, but you won't even have a meeting.
	Trump's like, I'll go meet with him.
	The greatest moment of that, too.
	Everybody talks about the line crossing.
	Okay, yeah, sure, historic, got it.
	But my personal favorite part of that Was this idea that when he sat down with them, that Trump went to the State Department and created...
	Remember the video? He made the video where they took footage from, like, Miami Vice, and he said, you know...
	You've got this great coastline here in North Korea.
	I see the map. You've got all this coastline.
	What if we had some high-rises, some hotels?
	They had like the cigar speedboats running around with the 80s.
	And he knew that Kim was a huge movie guy, this movie buff, and he appealed to this.
	I said, nobody in government is going to look at North Korea and see a business opportunity, but it takes a Trump to go over there and say, beachfront property, baby.
	Guess what? Like Dennis Rodman.
	Dennis Rodman opened that door.
	A lot of people owe him an apology.
	Yeah. A lot of people. It was like, you know, hey, maybe he didn't know anything about the issues, but, like, he had a conversation.
	He understood that Kim was into the pop culture side of it.
	Right. You know, a little bit.
	Like, you can't be, like, stick and stick.
	Right. Carrot and stick.
	You know, I got a button and it works.
	You know, a little rocket man. But, like, you got to be able to give a little bit.
	bit. And that's where's the give in the Russia-Ukraine situation so that we can actually get something
	done? Because again, Dennis Rodman accomplished more than our entire foreign policy. You know,
	Ambassador Cadres did in 40 years, opening that door. Trump on his own did the same thing.
	How do you get that going in Russia?
	You've got to cobble together a new deal for Ukraine and whether or not that deal is, you
	know, includes all of Ukraine, whether it includes parts of Ukraine, the majority of
	Ukraine, that, you know, those are all going to be the hard lines for everybody.
	I think. But, you know, I think there's a story, too, that Naftali Bennett, who was, you know, he was the prime minister temporarily of Israel.
	He was on this podcast recently.
	He said he said one month into the war, That he had spoken to Zelensky and spoken to Putin and said they had come to an agreement that if they just signed over Donbas and signed over Crimea, that they would pull out all the troops.
	That the whole thing would be done.
	And took NATO off the table.
	That that was what this was all about.
	And it was like, look, we weren't trying to destroy your whole country.
	We just wanted you to see that this was a red line for us.
	We wanted you to take it seriously.
	You weren't taking it seriously because of all the meetings.
	So we decided to do this to hopefully try to wake you up a little bit.
	Which, by the way, is totally rational.
	I kind of get it. I can understand that.
	I can see it. Right, because it's NATO that's expanding their borders.
	Yeah, that's what people miss. And that's why they called me a Russian apologist.
	I go, wait, wait, wait. You have a 500-mile...
	Because you have the ability to think in two dimensions.
	Yeah, hard to believe. Right. You have a 500-mile, let's call it no man's land, called the Ukraine.
	That's 50-50 sort of ethnic Russian and Ukrainian whatever it may be which by the way has been a border since like the
	end of World War two. What's that? What's that? What's the word in Czech
	for border?
	Hranice. Hranice. So u-kranice at the border Ukraine.
	Ukraine.
	I remember that. I'm a little rusty.
	Put you on the spot. I didn't press.
	But yeah, exactly.
	I grew up there. So the word Ukraine literally means the borderlands.
	So we have a no man's land that's been a border.
	And we start saying, knowing full well that Russia and Putin don't want that, and they don't want NATO moving 500 miles closer, approximately, to their borders.
	NATO, which by the way, includes Germany, which is like their ancient enemy.
	Correct. So, long history there.
	Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. Who wants us to pay for their protection against Russia while simultaneously enriching Russia with a pipeline because it's a little bit more convenient for them.
	But screw the American taxpayer, they'll just pay for it.
	Of course. And that Germany won't not only not contribute, but they wouldn't contribute what they agreed to contribute in writing.
	That became a problem. It wasn't like we were asking above and beyond.
	Another thing that Trump did that doesn't get enough credit.
	No. That's probably gone now anyway.
	But... You try to take away a 500-mile border, and they're like, well, Russia is the aggressor.
	I go, no, motherfucker!
	Like, you guys try to, like, in all fairness, like, we gotta call a spade a spade.
	Like, you tried moving NATO onto Russia's border there, where there was no border there.
	We're trying to do the same now up north in the Baltic states.
	You have to put the same...
	Well, in the Scandinavian states too, in Finland.
	And you have to put the same, you have to put both tracks together because it's not just NATO, right?
	It's NATO because which organization led the toppling of Gaddafi?
	Which organization led Afghanistan?
	Which organization was heavily involved in Syria?
	It's always been NATO. Trust me now, yeah.
	So if you're looking at it from Putin's perspective, and they say that he watched that video of Gaddafi, His body just brutalized.
	That ain't happening to me. Brutalized.
	And they say he watched that a dozen times, over and over.
	Didn't make an expression, just watched it over and over.
	A guy who had just spoken at the UN a couple of months before, and he said, this is what NATO does.
	And he's thinking, this is what they want to do to me.
	And he's right. And I ain't going to let that happen.
	And whether NATO is planning that or not, I can understand why he would think that.
	And it doesn't make you, if you were against the Iraq war, you weren't a Saddam apologist.
	If you were against the Afghanistan occupation, you weren't a Taliban apologist.
	You were just a rational thinker.
	Yeah, and common sense is the only thing not so common.
	Whoever came up with that term probably didn't meet that many people.
	Yeah, exactly. It's like, I don't get it.
	So we're talking a lot about, obviously, of the lepidization hearings.
	You got the Judiciary Committee.
	Jim Jordan was on here earlier. What's, in your opinion, what's theater for the American people versus what's really going to happen?
	And how do we get or put enough pressure on even the Republican side to make sure we actually get somewhere, that the swamp doesn't just put the brakes and stonewall?
	Because a lot of guys, you know, they'll come out and, look what we're doing, and it's like, okay, we're letting them run out the clock, and it looks like we're doing something.
	What's the difference between the theater and what's really happening?
	And how do we put enough pressure on our own people to make sure they don't allow the theater to give them credit to absolve them from actually doing what they know needs to be done?
	You've absolutely got to hold our side accountable.
	So the success of a strong lobbying organization does not...
	Depend on your influence with the other side.
	Because you don't have any influence there.
	I can't make the Democrats do something.
	We pretend. If they love us, maybe they'll vote with us.
	They're always like, no, no, it's a bipartisan thing in the Senate.
	I go, no, no, no. It's bipartisan when you need something from Republicans, Democrats.
	When Democrats did it, it's like, screw you guys. Mitt Romney doesn't count, by the way.
	Mitt Romney doesn't count. I saw that when they brought me back for the second time to Senate intel.
	Right. Richard Burr, I'm so sorry, but it's a bipartisan committee.
	I go, like, when is it ever bipartisan where we actually wanted to get something done?
	Now, if Warner's able to steamroll you because you're a weakling, like, good on them.
	I get it. Like, but we pretend that it's bipartisan, but it's only bipartisan.
	So it's our job. It's our duty, right?
	If you're a conservative, you're a populist, if you're America first, you have to put pressure on our side.
	And people go out and they say, why did you, why did you, you know, Reagan's 11th commandment, why did you say it about...
	I said, because nobody's going to listen to me if I say something about a Democrat.
	So you have to...
	Hold their feet. Rush Limbaugh talked about this when he was around.
	Breitbart always talked about this.
	We just had his anniversary, 11 years.
	And so it's understanding what they taught us is that you have to hold their feet to fight number one.
	But then also, it's that you've got to go in and find actionable information.
	That's why you need criminal investigators involved.
	That's why you need lawyers involved.
	That's why you need people like Darren Beattie involved.
	So this weaponization committee, all these committees, what would have been done What would have been done at Twitter if Elon Musk didn't exist?
	Or if he didn't decide to spend $44 billion of his own money to do that?
	I saw the big bump right when they took over, but I feel like I'm back to Twitter 1.0.
	My engagement is worse now than it was before he took over.
	But you'd never know the details.
	Republicans didn't affect that.
	Elon Musk did. So we're not always going to have this deus ex machina kind of figure just swoop in and fix everything, magic wand, abracadabra, right?
	That you actually do need to find ways to be able to pin these people down.
	And I don't want to just play whack-a-mole, like, okay, Fauci's leaving, so he's done.
	Great, we got Fauci. How many people did Fauci train?
	How many people did Fauci send?
	Well, that's, again, I've done more shitting on the FBI than probably anyone in America for the last few years.
	But I don't actually, I'm not even talking about the door kickers, and I always make that distinction.
	I'm like, no, the leadership at the top.
	Because the guys, the door kickers, they come up to me.
	But like, They'll never advance because people understand where they are.
	They're not that political animal.
	They're not willing to do the woke bullshit.
	They're not willing to do it. You saw what happened with Ray just last week, I guess, in the hearings where it's like, oh, my bad.
	Don't worry about it. There's management track and career track.
	The guys that are our people are probably actually the silent majority, but they know that if they even say anything, out of a job.
	We'll replace you with a trans agent who's had no training and it doesn't matter.
	They don't want to be going after the pro-life leader that got into a shoving match on the street.
	They want to go after MS-13 like El Presidente in El Salvador.
	But they're not allowed to. They want to go after the child trafficking rings.
	That's what they signed up for.
	They're not being allowed to even do that.
	Through the level of training and Quantico and all the insanity you have to do to become a special agent.
	You don't want to go after some guy who got into a bar fight, basically.
	You want to go after the baddest of the bad.
	And by the way, when you talk about some of these meth gangs, these biker gangs out there, these serious stuff, they're going to say somebody with a MAGA hat, somebody with a CPAC attendee, a Turning Point member, is an extremist or something.
	No, there are actual extremists out there, and they will tear your face off.
	Those are the guys... Actually getting away with it.
	I mean, that's the worst headline ever.
	And so they all get away while they focus on people like us.
	Meaning they were watching them.
	They knew it was a problem, but they were too busy focused on your grandmother who wore a MAGA hat somewhere within 500 miles of Washington, D.C. on January 6th.
	Right. We're coming into 24, hard to believe we've got some time, but we're going into that cycle.
	What are the issues that aren't getting enough attention?
	What do you see with the people?
	The things that could sway an election, but that no one's actually talking about because it's either unpopular, uncouth, or just people don't get it even though it's brewing under the surface.
	I feel like you have a good pulse of the people.
	I think you do a good job with that at War Room.
	I think you do it at Human Events. You're tackling these things.
	What are the ones, you know, a year ago I would have said the trans thing and it blew up into this craziness, right?
	That wasn't a thing like two years ago.
	What's funny for me actually, because my background was as a China guy.
	I mean, I lived in China, I speak Mandarin.
	It's so strange for me to be in the situation.
	You're too busy being a Russia apologist that they can't call you a Chinese sympathist.
	Right, right, right. They'll get there soon enough, I'm sure, Jake.
	It's so strange to me, though, that for all those years when I was in the intel community just beating the drum, saying, these guys are eating our lunch, they're building islands, they're buying aircraft carriers from Ukraine, by the way.
	Of course they are. We probably gave them to Ukraine and China will buy them for 10 cities.
	It was like the Soviet deal, and yeah, yeah, yeah.
	They got them left over, and they built that up, stealing all of our technology.
	They're doing all of these things, and they say, well, you know, we just want, just don't worry about it.
	Just tell us what's going on.
	I said, well, they're making islands.
	The islands are bigger. Now they're putting weapons on the islands, sir.
	We're going to write a letter, you know?
	And so I appreciate the fact that I feel like we've finally had some traction on the CCP, that after 15 years of looking at these guys, That, you know, and raising the warning that people actually do care about it.
	I don't think the answer is war there.
	I think the answer is decoupling, though.
	Yeah. And I put that back into the America First bucket.
	I don't think we'd win a war right now, unfortunately.
	I don't know that we would. We may have the technology.
	It would be very bad. They got numbers.
	They have resolve. You know, they're actually focused on winning wars.
	They have something called moral clarity.
	Yeah, they know what they want to do.
	They believe in what they say. I may not like what they do or how they get there or whatever, but they know where they want to be and they have an objective.
	We're sitting there. You know, we want to learn about white rage, something that no one's ever heard of before it was mentioned.
	You know, our Secretary of State can get up during the Afghan withdrawal.
	Hey, we'll let you know if we're coming over.
	Yeah, we'll give you a call. Give the call.
	Don't worry. Or our Secretary of State, you know, we're shocked and dismayed that the Taliban didn't install a more diverse and inclusive...
	I go, like, did they think they were going to get, like, Leah Thomas to be, like, the trans-representative of the Taliban government?
	Like, I'm like... They're not serious people.
	You just say that on a world stage, you don't understand what's going on.
	It goes back to what you said earlier, that we take our World view, and we assume that everyone has the same world view, that everybody looks at everything the same way we do, that, you know, that Russian, that Chinese person, they can't believe that because we know that they really think like we do.
	We know there's 9,000 genders, right?
	They must be lying. They must be lying.
	That's propaganda. They don't actually care about NATO. They don't actually care about Donbas.
	They're just crazy. When it comes to China, they'll say, I think they're finally understanding that China is serious about Taiwan.
	And whatever that timeline was, and there was probably a timeline.
	It's been grossly accelerated by our action, our depletion of our stockpiles of weapons.
	And you look at Hong Kong. How are we going to defend them?
	When Hong Kong was handed over in 1997, originally signed off by Margaret Thatcher, and then Deng Xiaoping lives right before it.
	You know, they do the, you know, pull down the Union Jack, raise up the Chinese flag.
	They said, for 50 years, we'll never interfere in Hong Kong.
	For 50 years.
	They made it about 30.
	You know, and then 2019 happens, and Xi Jinping comes along and says, I want all of it.
	And then all of the protests are going on, the insanity is happening, and then suddenly COVID... Well, by the way, that's what no one talks about.
	It's like how COVID conveniently shut down one of the great sort of, you know, organic, you know, revolutions that was sort of going on.
	Now, I'd say this one gets, and I don't even think it's conspiratorial, but I had an interesting conversation a couple of years ago with Palmer Luckey, who found an Oculus and like big, young kid, but billionaire, great guy.
	And Ginger. Yeah. And he was talking about He was talking about AI. And he goes, the scariest part of AI is throughout history, if you were being oppressed, like you could start a little bit of a revolution and you could get people and you could build up a critical mass to be able to make a difference.
	Now with AI, the second one person steps out of line, they got you, they pick you out, you're gone, you disappear in a ditch somewhere forever.
	There's no coming back.
	There is no natural revolution anymore because you can cut it off before it ever achieves that critical mass.
	Sort of feels like what happened.
	Kind of similar to what happened. And I guess my point to say is that even in the U.S., we wanted to be supportive.
	We were generally supportive, but at the end of the day, It's China, right?
	Hong Kong is in the mouth of the dragon.
	There's not much the US can do about that other than economic warfare.
	And unfortunately, in a Taiwan situation, I think you'd basically end up in the same way.
	So what do you do? You defang the dragon.
	You defang the dragon through decoupling.
	And guess what? Wall Street is going to hate that.
	The Club for Growth is going to hate that.
	I believe the Club for Chinese Growth?
	Yeah, Club for Chinese Growth, Chamber of Commerce.
	They are going to hate that.
	They're going to throw everything they can.
	All of the people. Look at the amount of Americans that are on ByteDance's board.
	This idea that all of a sudden that tap That we were talking about earlier is going to get shut down.
	There's going to be a ton of pain.
	And so anybody that comes up and is seriously talking about...
	I'm not just talking about the currency manipulation.
	That's part of it. I'm not just talking about the Uyghurs.
	It is accretive. But what it comes down to is that.
	And if we actually start bringing...
	Why do you think pharma came out so hard, right, the way they did, went for Biden so big?
	Because where are all the pharmaceutical precursors made?
	It's all in China. Well, it's scary in and of itself, right?
	We could talk... Yeah, yeah, excellent.
	Like, literally, the antibiotics are all made there for us.
	Like, you think if we're at war, like, we're going to get it, but we can't manufacture it here in America.
	Same thing with the whole green energy debate.
	Like, they have child slave labor mining cobalt and lithium in...
	I mean, conditions that you wouldn't fit for any human.
	And we're like, no, this is wonderful.
	This is the way. But we can't put, like, a hardworking American roughneck to work in an oil field to do it under environmental scrutiny, under standards, to create jobs, productivity, energy independence here.
	Well, Apple's not guilty of that.
	They're a great company, and they sub out the ESG component to another company, so their scores are unaffected and wonderful.
	Meanwhile, they're essentially creating child labor and slave labor throughout the world.
	I'm like, I don't understand. This piece, and people come at me sometimes, and they say, well, if you're America First God, why do you talk about China so much?
	It's because you don't understand the situation.
	It's because of the relationship with China that the elites have gotten so much power.
	This is also, by the way, and it's the same deal when you look at Ukraine to an extent,
	because we've been playing, there's so much funny money in the system, which goes all
	the way back to 2008, that they've just been hitting that Federal Reserve pump.
	And that's something where like, Libertarians and the Thomas Massis and the Ron Paul guys,
	I'm like, totally agree with you.
	I have a libertarian streak with that stuff myself.
	All this money money has been pumped through the system that people are looking for ways to wash it over.
	So a place like Libya or Afghanistan or Ukraine, perfect opportunity because all of a sudden you're going to put in your reconstruction loans and your development loans and your IMF and your World Bank and all of that's going to go in.
	The billionaires get rich in the Americas.
	And they're all going to keep getting richer.
	And then the people of East Palestine They get nothing.
	Meanwhile, East Palestine, last time, I have to go check the exact map on this, that's very close to the Marcellus shale find.
	It's like right on the border of it.
	And so you look at those fracking jobs that could come online, they're starting to come online, where for the fracking, the trucking, the secondary industries that come off of that, I mean, you want to actually bring it back.
	We can't have those people not dependent on government, because if they're not dependent on government, you know, they won't.
	Won't vote for Democrats and they won't perpetuate that cycle.
	And this is why I talk about China.
	This is why I think when you talk about China, and we have to rip the band-aid off.
	We just absolutely rip that off.
	Then you actually start to put this stuff back in its place.
	Then all the funny money has to stop.
	The funny money, what people don't understand, is sad because it is coming.
	It's going to hurt. It's going to hurt right now.
	We're feeling it a little bit already.
	Before we do anything about China, that'll be worse.
	But if we don't do it, there's almost no chance for a future where at least America has any of the hegemony they've had for 200 years.
	Which is how we're able to do that.
	Of course. Currency, right?
	The yuan would be number one. And then all of a sudden, once we can't borrow the way we do, guess what?
	All your... Big problems.
	The minute Russia and China start saying, you know what, we don't need to do this in U.S.-backed currencies anymore.
	And Saudi and all these countries. Saudi says, yeah, we'll do this in the Yuan.
	Why should we give you that leverage? Who cares about the petrodollar?
	It's amazing what the United States will do when the petrodollar is on the line.
	When I'm thinking of Nord Stream, when I say that.
	But it's the amount of trouble we'll get into.
	But at some point...
	You have to look at reality.
	We're way over leveraged as a country.
	We've been spending like crazy.
	It's all going to their buddies and BlackRock and Blackstone are using it to buy up all the houses and Bill Gates is buying up all the farmlands.
	Well, now the banks don't want to lend to regular home buyers because they know their exit is actually buying up all the homes and then renting it to them forever because they don't want that independence, that home ownership.
	Or energy independence or anything else.
	Which, by the way, there's a name for that type of system.
	It's called serfdom. It's actually an old kind of system.
	It's not really a new system.
	It's an old system called serfdom. So when I look at stuff like that, when I look at China, and then the other one that I look at, too, to go back to immigration, is this idea that we're talking about family formation, we're talking about home ownership, as you just said, when we're talking about the American worker being able to get back on their job, those roughnecks, whoever it is. If you're constantly bringing in low-skilled labor and high-skilled labor, guess what kind of effect that has on wages?
	It's a downward pressure.
	And I'm totally stealing that from Steve Cortez.
	You're right. Because he taught me that.
	So you're keeping wages down.
	You're keeping that artificially down.
	Now guess what? You can't buy a house.
	Now you can't buy a larger car.
	Now you're having less kids. Now you have birth rate issues.
	And AOC comes out and says, no, we need to increase immigration because of the birth rate issues.
	I said, no, you got it backwards.
	Yeah. You actually have this...
	Go ahead, kids. It's like Michael Crichton had a line, you know, wet streets cause rain.
	You know, it's like, no, no, no, no, poverty causes crime.
	It's like, no, backwards. You're looking at it backwards.
	There is a causal effect here, but it's the exact opposite of what you're saying.
	That high immigration, the more competition...
	Supply and demand. It's just basic supply and demand.
	It's as simple as that, man. Well, Jack, I think we're running out of time.
	Unfortunately, we had to do a bunch of other stuff.
	Of course. But we're going to have to have you back on because I think these are conversations that have to be had in long form to get into the details.
	And it was just awesome having you on as always, buddy.
	Appreciate it, man. Thank you. Talk to you.
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