David Icke warns against blindly following influencers like Tucker Carlson or Alex Jones, urging listeners to verify information independently rather than accepting deep fakes or unproven claims about his alleged Freemasonry or gender identity. He critiques the modern tendency to trust anonymous accusers without evidence, comparing passive consumption to using ChatGPT, while promoting the Tesla Club website and asserting that true wisdom lies in recognizing the limits of one's own vision amidst a world of fabricated narratives. Ultimately, he argues that genuine understanding requires active investigation into conspiracy puzzles rather than relying on charismatic leaders who may lead followers to the edge of a cliff. [Automatically generated summary]
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Follow Information Not People00:07:53
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The day he died, the government seized everything.
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Tesla Club, TZLA.club.
We need to follow information.
We don't follow people.
Because if you follow people, Then they'll pied piper you, or a lot of them will.
They'll pied piper you into the edge of the cliff.
So instead of following people, like I'm follow Tucker Carlson, or I follow Candace Owens, or I follow Megyn Kelly, or I follow Alex Jones, instead of following people, follow information.
Don't follow me.
Look at what I'm saying and see what you think of it.
Then make your decisions on how you respond to it.
But don't follow an individual because, A, you know, they will quite possibly not be who you think they are, and they'll lead you down the garden path, as we say in Britain.
Or they may really not have a big enough understanding of how it all works, and they'll keep you in the box that they're in.
So don't follow people, follow information.
And also, I would say, know this that of all the things in all the world, the thing that is unquestionable, there's virtually nothing that's unquestionable, but this is.
Whatever you think you know, whatever I think I know, there's always more to know.
Always.
And I've always worked on the principle of the quote attributed to the ancient Greek philosopher Socrates basically, wisdom is knowing how little we know.
To know is to know you know nothing.
That's the secret of knowledge.
In other words, you realize that.
Whatever you know, there's a phenomenal more to know.
So you never stop.
You don't think, oh, got it now.
No, you might have some of it, but there's always more to know.
And if you follow people who don't go with that philosophy, for instance, then you're going to be limited by their sense of limitation.
And it was a great quote from that.
German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer, which basically said, Every man, it's not every man, but it is most people.
Every man thinks the limit of his own field of vision is the limit of the world.
It ain't.
There's always more to know.
So don't follow people, me or anybody else.
Follow the information that they're imparting and see what you think of it.
And And make of it what you think is right, not what someone says just because they say it.
It's fascinating you say that because before we hit record, I asked you a couple of questions.
And one thing that you mentioned was that you were referring to, I suppose, conspiracy theories and the rabbit holes that we investigate as being a bit like a jigsaw puzzle.
And I've mentioned that myself over the years that I'm kind of making the edge, as you said, I'm making the edge of the jigsaw puzzle.
All the pieces are there, but you've got to fit them in yourself.
You can't do all the work because we don't always get it right.
And if you just take someone's word for it, it's no different to using ChatGPT.
You're getting something else.
To do the hard work, you're not researching it, and you do need to do the legwork yourself to really understand what's going on.
And there might be certain things that you've said today that resonate with people and encourage them to dig further rather than just leaving it, accepting everything that we say as being true and moving on.
Um, it's the taking the horse to water, isn't it?
Scenario, I suppose, yeah.
And also, you know, the mind is like a muscle if you don't use it, it goes to sleep.
And, you know, one of the things we were just chatting about before we started was it's like I say, control of perception is the whole foundation of control of humans.
And what's a little bit depressing is how easy it is for vast numbers of people, not everyone, not nearly everyone, but vast numbers, to get them to.
Perceive what you tell them, and they do it without bloody question, not least because of this idea of following people.
So, um, you know, I've been accused of all bloody things.
Um, I mean, you know, you name it, I've been accused of it in the last 36 years, uh, being mad mostly, but anyway, um, but but loads of things.
And what okay, you expect that you you you expect that from from liars and frauds, and they're out there.
But what's the depressing part comes not in people, you know, accusing you of this, that, and the other without any evidence, because there is none.
It's the people that believe them in the absence of evidence.
And so you hear the repeaters, that's the thing repeaters, repeaters, repeaters.
People who repeat what other people say without looking at it in any way themselves.
That's what they are.
They're repeaters.
And you get them believing what other people say just because they've said it without saying, well, hold on a minute.
Where's your bloody evidence?
No, no, none of that.
They just believe it.
And then they repeat it.
And suddenly, I'll give you a great example.
Years ago, I, because one of the great ways that this cult deals with.
Rebels, if you like, renegades to its system, is it accuses them of what they're uncovering?
It's a really old technique.
And so when I was uncovering the whole global cult in the 1990s and all these secret societies that I've been talking about, it started circulating.
Uncovering Secret Societies00:13:20
David Icke, he's a Freemason, right?
So, okay, so where's your evidence?
And what they would do is produce the most ludicrously bad, I mean, with AI and deep fakes, it would be different now, but in those days, the most ludicrously bad pictures of Freemasons with my head put on it, right?
And there was one amazing one, it was so bad.
They'd taken a picture of my face off the back of one of my books and put it on a Freemason guy, right?
And people, they say he's a Freemason.
But the best one was I was speaking in Boston, Massachusetts, and Boston is a really big Freemasonic center.
It comes from the old British Empire, et cetera.
And it had a big.
Freemasonic hall has a big Freemasonic hall.
So when I was speaking there, I wanted to go and have a look at it.
And I thought I'd just have a look from the outside.
I want to see what symbolism it had and all that stuff.
Anyway, there were about two other people with me, maybe.
And we walked to the door.
It was a glass door, as I remember.
Looked through and couldn't see anybody.
There was this big kind of open hall.
But couldn't see anybody.
So we went through the door, right?
And I seem to remember there was someone over there in an office moving around, but they never kind of responded.
So we kind of went on walking.
But on the right hand side of this hall was this big glass kind of presentation.
Space where they had all these different like symbols, and there was something about Walt Disney and how he was a member of the Demole Society, which Bill Clinton was also a member of, connects into the Knights Templar, and all these different things.
And so we just kept walking.
And at the end of this hall, nobody there.
It's like the Mary Celeste.
Was this staircase?
So we start walking up the staircase, you know, looking around, say, what the bloody hell is going on?
So you get up this staircase and walk these big bloody doors.
They're bloody massive, right?
So we walk in.
It's a temple.
It's one of their temples, right?
Nobody there.
The only guy we met in the entire time was a builder who didn't seem to be a Freemason who was doing some building work.
We had a chat with him briefly and that was it, but there was no one else there.
So we go into this Freemasonic temple area, and there is the Grand Master's chair.
And I couldn't resist it, obviously.
I had my street clothes on.
I weren't dressed as a bloody Freemason because I ain't one.
But so I sat in the chair and, you know, give it that.
And people would take pictures of it.
And I used that picture.
I always got a great laugh.
In those days, there wasn't any PowerPoint.
It was.
It was like slides on a big round thing you were doing.
And I used it for years, actually, in my presentations around America and Britain, of me sitting in the Freemason's chair.
It was hilarious.
So, anyway, we then leave, and again, nobody apart from the builder.
And then this picture of me in the Freemason's chair starts appearing on the internet.
Proof, proof, he's a Freemason.
And, you know, the ease with which people believe things without any evidence is, well, it's quite depressing because, as I keep saying, control of perception is the whole foundation of human control collectively.
And the ease with which people will believe things just because somebody tells them, often, by the way, Someone with a login name on some social media account, you don't even know who they are.
Yeah.
Oh, I've heard, I've heard that David Icke, he's a Freemason, he's a Satanist, and all that stuff.
Oh, really?
Where do you get that from?
Well, I got it from so and so.
You know, that was a bloody login name.
Who is he?
Well, I don't know who he is, but, you know.
So, yeah, it's funny you say this, David, because I was speaking, as I mentioned, my son Sam earlier on, whose birthday is tomorrow.
The last time, you know, it's no secret, I tell everybody 20 years ago, give or take, I joined the Freemasons.
Never got high up enough, saw a lot of corruption and left.
And it's in my books.
I talk about it a lot.
And I said to him this morning, and incidentally, actually, I was giving a talk in, I think it was Bournemouth at some point last summer.
And someone came up to me afterwards and said, You're friends with the Ikes, aren't you?
Let me show you this photo.
And they showed me the photo of you sat in the chair.
Sorry, no, beg your pardon.
No.
That's you.
There it is.
Sorry, beg your pardon.
It wasn't that.
They showed me the photo of you with your head cropped onto a Freemason.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
And I said, to the best of my knowledge, he isn't.
But just wait a moment.
And then I did the QA about half an hour later.
And one of the first questions was, I understand you joined the Freemasons.
So I showed them a photo because my iPad was still connected to the projector.
I showed them a photo of me wearing my apron at the Grand Lodge in Great Queen Street.
I said, Yes, I was.
And uh, and I left.
Oh, well, you never leave though, do you?
Because once you've signed, you've signed in blood, you've made a sacrifice, or you've it's a pledge, almost like a mortgage, a death pledge, and you can't leave.
And I said, Well, that's weird because I have.
And where did you get this from that you can't leave?
Because I joined the Cub Scouts when I was a kid, and I left them too.
I got turned down by the scouts, I did.
Well, the weird thing is that, um.
I often tell people that I joined and why.
I wanted to find out.
I wanted to get to the 33rd degree.
I wanted to know everything.
And I thought that I was going to learn as I progressed.
And I didn't.
What I watched, because a lot of the flying squad went to the lodge I joined, I just watched corruption.
But anyway, it was really strange this morning.
I was speaking to my youngest son and said that I was really excited that you were coming on my channel today.
And he said, Dad, I don't know if this is good timing or not, but I received a message last night and the secretary of the lodge wants you to contact them.
Now, I haven't heard from them for a long time.
I stopped going, I don't know, eight years ago, something like that.
I didn't even know they had my son's phone number because he joined and then stopped going after about three meetings.
And I thought, what is this about?
You know, have they heard something I've said, you know?
It got the better of me.
And in the end, I rung them.
I rung this guy.
He's called Martin.
And I was a bit nervous.
And I said to him, I haven't spoken to you for a while.
You know, why do you want to talk to me?
He said, we need you to formally resign.
He said, you stopped coming, but you never actually formally resigned.
Here's the email address.
You need to formally resign.
I went, all right, okay.
Someone somewhere's really unhappy with me then, aren't they?
And what I've been saying.
But apparently, I'm still a 33rd degree Freemason, not a third degree.
And I'm controlled opposition.
I was born a woman.
And yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
My boy's that one.
It's fascinating, isn't it?
The inversion thing I find strange because, you know, my wife and my kids aren't aware that I was born a woman.
They've got no idea.
I mean, I didn't know either, but apparently I was.
I keep hearing it.
No, it's extraordinary.
And that's the thing you see is that people just believe anything of, you know, he's a woman, really.
Oh, really?
How do you know that?
Whoa, so and so said it was a login name on it.
Yeah, who's that?
Uh, I mean, you know, it's it's it really is uh pathetic, and they think they're streetwise, that's the sad, sad thing, really.
Does it ever get to you, or did it?
Um, well, what you look at this is my philosophy.
I mentioned this to you before we came on air.
My philosophy has always been this, um, if people are so Lacking in self respect, and so easily manipulated that they will believe what someone says, whoever they are, even an anonymous login name,
and they'll believe it without any evidence, then they're lost to my work anyway.
They're, you know, get on with your life, say what you like, you know.
You know, you're lost to my work, so why should I bother, you know, with worrying about what you think of me?
It's of no interest to me.
You're not relevant to my life and what I'm trying to do because you've shown that you'll believe anything.
So, what's the point of getting emotionally upset about that?
I mean, I've had so much ridicule and abuse since 1990.
Um, and you just keep going, and you know, you learn to let it be like water off a duck's back because if you take it on emotionally, well, it will destroy you.
Um, you know, it's like how many people have committed suicide, kids, kids often, because of what's said to them online, uh, by you know, often anonymous people.
You know, there's a lot of very sick people online, and a lot of people who, when they hide behind anonymous login names, will say things they'd never say to your face.
So, for me, if they haven't got respect for themselves, well, they're irrelevant to me anyway.
So, you know, say what you like, mate.
I couldn't care less.
And by the way, anyone who believes you will believe him.
You know, you lost to my work anyway.
But people are becoming more streetwise to some of these things now and don't believe things on face value.
It's difficult, isn't it?
People just do instantly.
They'll read something.
And I think we now live in a world where the person doesn't have to be right or wrong or even know what they're talking about.
They just have to have a big enough following.
And like sheep, the herd follow, don't they?
They do.
And there's people in the alternative media like that, you know, that people just follow.
And instead of being discerning, well, you know, what's the evidence for what they've just said?
Okay, I get that they said this and they said that, and that turned out to be right.
But this, what they're just saying, what's the evidence for that?
And these are the questions that you, you know, you question everything and question everyone.
But do it on the basis of evidence, not just because someone's told you something.
It's extraordinary how naive people are in believing what people say just because they say it.
That's how we got here.
Question Everything With Evidence00:00:25
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