Be Ready For What's Coming | David Icke Exclusive Interview
David Icke recounts his 1990s meetings with Zulu shaman Credo Mutwa, linking ancient legends to modern reports of reptilian entities and shape-shifting within military bases. He argues that mainstream science creates a "perceptual prison" by ignoring non-visible frequencies, while citing claims that Princess Diana warned of an MI5-orchestrated car accident involving hybrid lizards. The discussion extends to aristocratic interbreeding rituals and concludes with a Tesla Club promotion alleging the U.S. government seized Nikola Tesla's plasma technology in 1943 to protect Big Pharma, suggesting these hidden forces dictate our simulated reality. [Automatically generated summary]
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Tesla's Hidden Healing Technology00:09:54
Hundred years ago, Nikola Tesla discovered a healing technology that threatened the entire pharmaceutical industry.
The day he died, the government seized everything.
For one hundred years, this technology was hidden.
Until now, plasma is back.
Tesla Club, TZLA.
Club.
In the mid nineties, you met with a Zulu shaman, Credo Mutwa.
Yeah, that was very late nineteen nineties.
Yeah, and you know, six hour interview.
Uh, it was, I watched the whole thing.
It was really interesting because not only does he mention the sort of, uh, the Shatari, I think, uh, which are like essentially reptilians by the same definition or reptile like beings, uh, but also, uh, these other beings that were sort of like Nordics, like these tall blondes that would have the ability to sort of disappear.
And yeah, you always talk about the grays and the grays as well.
And, and I thought that was really interesting because you don't often hear Sort of a comprehensive, um, uh, sort of, I guess, picture, uh, based on all of these different species and what their role is.
But he kind of had a really comprehensive explanation for all of this.
How much has his teachings and his stories, how much has that impacted how you see the phenomenon?
Not, not as much as you would think, uh, because the relationship with myself and Credo, Um, was one of, he would tell me the, the ancient stories of Africa and the Zulu legends and the Zulu accounts.
And I would tell him what I'd learned in the modern world.
And the extraordinary thing was, is why we got on so well, is we tell it, we told the same story.
Because by the time I came across, um, Credo Mutwa when I was speaking in, um, South Africa, I'd already concluded that there was a reptilian, non human level of human control, that this global cult of secret societies, but certainly its inner core,
was basically the vehicle within our reality, which is only a band of frequency, for imposing upon humans.
The agenda that was coming from this other reality, what people call the astral reality.
And so I'd concluded many of the things that he told me about.
But what he did, which added massively to it was confirm that, um, The ancient stories were telling the same story that I was covering.
Like when I was, um, in America, um, during the 1990s, I mean, I was talking to nobody.
I was supposed to be on a speaking tour.
Well, that was great.
Uh, but, uh, I was speaking to chairs, not people most of the time.
And, um, but what I, what was happening then is I was meeting all these different people.
Whistleblowers, people formerly of the military, people who experienced UFOs and stuff.
And they were telling me all this stuff.
They told me about the Ripton.
So, not just them, I was getting this from members of the public.
I remember there was a period in 1996, when I was speaking to Nobugger.
Night after night in different places.
And in a period of 15 days, I met 12 separate people who told me the same story of how they'd seen, this is synchronicity, how they'd seen, um, someone appear to be human who shifted into a reptilian form.
So by the time I met Credo, um, this was, this was starting to become clear in my mind.
But what he added was, was the phenomenal knowledge he had of, of the ancient legends and the ancient accounts.
And also, of course, he, he talked about, um, his own, um, abduction by what appeared to be gray entities, um, which was a classic, uh, abduction in so many ways.
And so it was like a fusion.
Of the two, and it was very, very helpful.
I think where it gets so complicated with all of this stuff is that, you know, you have this idea of an overarching agenda, but then individually there are hundreds of thousands of cases, and all of these cases have a varying amount of interactions.
Like you said, a lot of them have, you know, classic displays of, you know, being taken from your bedroom at night, being, you know, you had these things performed on you, these specific procedures.
Uh, you meet a few entities on board, they show you the end of the world, they give you a tour of the ship and they bring you back.
And it's like this kind of, uh, but within that, you have a varying degree of, you know, some of them felt like they were benevolent.
Some of them felt like they were malevolent.
Some of them felt like they were hurting me.
Others, and, and so there's this varying degree of what seems like agendas behind, you know, these altercations.
How do you sort of, I guess, what do you make of all of that?
Does it all fall under the same umbrella, or are there different species interacting with us, or is this all just part of the same control system?
Well, I think in the end, it's part of the same control system.
And I think that you can equate a lot of these abduction experiences in the way you've described.
You know, there are common themes to them, but they can be a bit different here and there, but there's common themes to near death experiences.
The body dies, it ceases, I would say, to decode this simulation reality.
And you find yourself in another dimension of reality with completely different, quote, laws of physics.
And it's all the tunnel and the light and the life review.
I mean, they are absolutely classic.
I've listened and read so many of these accounts over the years.
The near death stuff you mentioned?
The near death ones, yeah.
But I've also talked to many people who've had these abduction experiences, and I'm not sure you can necessarily put them all in one box.
It's not something where everyone has exactly the same experience, but there are very compelling common themes.
And, you know, in this sequence of um unfolding Awareness through, okay, so what don't I know?
Um, it took me eventually into, um, the understanding that this human reality, like I say, just a band of frequency is actually ultimately being manipulated from another level within this matrix simulation that we call the astral dimension.
And, um, that that astral dimension is where, um, At least the great majority of these so called, um, extraterrestrials, um, are in terms of the reptilians and, other, and other types.
And I, I, I remember, um, again, what's happened in my life is I've reached conclusions from various research I've done.
Okay.
I think this is what's going on.
And then something will come along and give you a massive confirmation of, yeah.
That's, that, that's, that's, um, on the ball.
So, um, I eventually came across Robert Monroe, um, the Monroe Institute, who, uh, developed this ability to project his consciousness into the astral dimension.
The gateway process.
Of course.
Yeah.
The gateway process and also how the U.S. military got involved, their psychological area, um, and did this study of the gateway process and the, projection that into the astral.
And, and what, what, what hit me, um, was that the, the astral travelers, if you like, in the study, uh, came across so many reptilian entities in the astral.
They gave them the collective name of the alligators.
And, uh, and, and, and that was like, well, that's what I concluded, uh, that, that this, these, um, uh, entities were coming from the astral.
So, you know, once you, Well, put it another way.
The Astral Dimension Explained00:15:34
If you don't research this vast range of subjects that may not seem to have any connection, you're never going to get the picture.
And the key one to understand everything is the nature of reality and the nature of the, of the eye, the real eye, not the human body eye.
It's just an experience.
I mean, consciousness, the infinite, eternal eye.
But also the fact that we are in a band of frequency.
And even within this band of frequency, the human sight can only see a tiny, tiny, ridiculously narrow smear of it called visible light.
And so if you don't look at the nature of reality, and of course, If you're looking at your schools and your education system and your media and what have you, where most people get their information from, therefore their perception of reality, they don't talk about this stuff.
You know, orthodox science, um, is, uh, the, the, the, the point of reference that the media and, and education takes it, takes it point of reference from in terms of reality.
But when you really are willing to, to break out of the box And explore beyond the limitations of orthodoxy, so many questions suddenly become answered.
Like, you know, I've said many times one thing that children should be told at the earliest time that they can grasp it is that when they look through their eyes, they're not seeing everything in the space that they're looking at.
They're only seeing a tiny band of frequency, visible light.
And therefore, you know, There is this, this, this imposed sense of normal that you get from the education system and the media, et cetera.
It's, it's, it's not just a, a, a perceptual prison in the, the, the wider sense.
It's a perceptual prison about the very reality that we're experiencing.
For instance, the norm is that people just accept is normal is that when you look through your eyes, you're seeing everything in the space you're looking at.
But you know, are you seeing everything in the space?
Oh yeah, of course I am.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
So where's the wifi then?
Where's the wifi?
You see her, but you can't see it, can you?
No, you can't because you can only see a narrow band of frequency.
So for instance, people say, um, what honestly, mate, I'm standing there and this UFO appeared out of nowhere and then it just disappeared into nowhere.
Or people say, I woke up and there was this entity at the end of the bed, just appeared and then it disappeared.
And of course, normal goes, What are you on, mate?
That's ridiculous.
That's impossible.
Control of the sense of the possible is one of the greatest forms of human perceptual control.
So, this is why we have orthodox science here and no further.
What's happening, of course, is something enters visible light.
Suddenly to the observer, they've seen it come out of nowhere.
It leaves visible light, changes its frequency.
Bang, it's disappeared into nowhere.
And, um, these things can be perfectly explainable, but only when you get into the deeper levels of the nature of reality.
And, and the system doesn't want you to do that.
You know, if you, um, are a religious follower, And you've got this religious story.
Don't matter what religion it is.
All basically the same.
You've got this religious story.
Um, if you go beyond the religious story, first of all, you, you're perceived as a blasphemer.
But if you start to explore, um, what's called the hidden, the hidden knowledge, well, what is another word for hidden?
Occult.
So suddenly you are, um, dabbling in the occult.
No, no, no, no.
You're dabbling in hidden knowledge, which can be used for horrific things, and it is, or it can be used to set us free.
It's just hidden knowledge.
But religion says if you go into the occult, that's the devil.
Now, Orthodox science, which is another religion, by the way, scientism.
Yeah, scientism.
Exactly, it is.
So it says this is the story.
This is the orthodox science story about reality.
And if you go there, you're a pseudo scientist or you are dabbling in the paranormal.
And they put para in front of normal because they are seeking to describe a phenomena or phenomena that happens that they can't explain from the orthodoxy.
It's magic to them.
Yeah.
So, um, If I can't explain it, it can't, it can't be happening.
That's, that's the orthodox science mindset.
It's easier to blame your, your, your own perception.
Yeah, exactly.
But what, what you, what you've therefore got, you've got people like Professor Richard Dawkins, who is at Oxford University, has written all these books of, um, lambasting religion.
Okay.
That's fine.
But you're, you're the high priest of your own, mate, because you are limiting Exploration into all possibility and all potential in the same way that religions are by calling it the occult.
Um, and, you know, those that want to know the truth, they don't want a round of applause or a statue.
They just want to know what's going on, what this reality is and, and, and how it's controlled and to what end.
Then they're the ones that are willing to go there and outside the boxes.
And, and of course, when you go there, as I well know, You're going to get massive ridicule, condemnation.
You're going to be mad and bad and.
And, uh, and all the, all the, all the other labels that are given to you.
But if you care about what's happening rather than what people think of you, then you'll go anyway.
And that's the only, the only way we're really going to uncover what's going on is to have no limit to what we will explore.
Um, in the very, you know, sense of wisdom is knowing how little we know.
So you're all.
Going to keep asking that question.
Okay.
So what don't I know?
Uh, and, and when you do that, it takes you into some far out areas.
You well know it takes you some far out areas very, very quickly.
And people think you're crazy.
But as we talked about at the start of our chat here, um, you can, you, you, you can have a choice.
You can, um, go with the world, go with the norms because you fear what other people might say if you don't.
Or you can go your own way.
And if what you say has validity, the world will come to you.
Right.
And that's, um, that's what's been happening.
Uh, and, and the world has come towards me for the simple reason that events in the world have started to happen that have, um, made people question the version of the world they had before and things that you've, you know, foretold.
In a lot of the senses, I want to get back to discussing this interdimensional control system because I think that's a big pill for a lot of people to contemplate and to ponder on.
You know, because there are so many different schools of thought, whether they're sort of this entity or this force is benevolent, neutral, or malevolent, like there are all these different schools of thought.
But in the sense of this reptilian force that you've talked about and that you've written about, So many times, how do you reconcile the non physical aspect of it with these physical encounters?
What is that?
Is this itself instantiating in our own physical to control our decisions?
Is it like, what's the point of this?
Because I've heard the same stories.
I've had a lot of people come to me as well and saying, Yeah, I was, you know, I saw this person, they, in their words, phase shifted and transformed into like some lizard.
And looked at them.
I was frozen in fear.
I couldn't move.
And then they kind of chuckled and walked away and like these really bizarre, terrifying stories that I'd be frightened of if they happened to me.
I fail to see how the two are sort of cooperating.
Okay.
Um, this, this could, could take a while.
Um, but I'll, I'll keep it as, as, um, as brief as I can, uh, because there's so many aspects that need to be dot connected to make sense of it all.
First of all, let's start with this.
Um, when people think about heaven, uh, oh, am I going to heaven?
They look up, right?
It's not like that.
These dimensions of reality share the same space, but they're on different wavelengths.
And just like radio and television stations, they share the same space, but they're on different wavelengths, and therefore they don't interfere with each other unless they're close on the dial.
And there's a level of this astral dimension that is very close to this one, and there can be interference.
This is where you see things like ghosts and these other paranormal things.
Are you familiar with the Lacerda files?
This interview that happened in like the early 2000s, allegedly in Sweden between A man and a woman who, you know, claims to be reptilian.
Yeah, and so she, she, I mean, there's a lot of information there and it's quite interesting because as you gather a lot of this information, it seems to corroborate like what she's been saying, which is, you know, just interesting data points.
But she does talk about having like, you know, this control system that they're working with governments are not unlike what you've been talking about as well.
But also that there are these like colonies underneath like Asia that exist.
I do think that's, I think, I think, you know, when people say, You know, are they physical or are they not physical?
I would say, well, actually, all of the above.
But they're here.
Yeah, some are.
I'm sure they're within the earth operating within the frequency band of our frequency band, human frequency band.
But I say that the real point of reference, the real point of control is actually in this other dimension.
Why are they here then?
What's the point of being here, you think?
Well, I mean, they're not, you know, they're not necessarily, um, uh, all involved in, um, in, in, in manipulation.
I mean, you know, just because something's reptilian doesn't mean it's, it's, uh, you know, you know, evil in, in its, in its own sense.
Um, uh, in and of itself, I'm, I'm just saying that this, this other dimensional level is, but I do think that, that, um, they are interacting with the human, Uh, quote, elite and human science and all that stuff within these very deep dumbs or deep underground, uh, military bases all around the world, which, um, tend, I would say, from what I can gather,
to open out into areas where these reptilians are.
You know, when you, when you look at these, um, these underground bases and you talk to people like I did a lot in the nineties when I was traveling America who'd been in those bases, You need a higher security clearance the lower you go down, to the point where some were explaining to me how you are weighed in and weighed out to make sure that when you come out, you're not carrying anything you didn't take in.
And that the deeper you go, the more extreme it becomes until you're into these, you know, caged children and what have you.
And, you know, on Iconic, where we are now, iconic.com.
Um, we've had people on, um, former military people who've talked about interacting with reptilians in the, and, and greys in these underground.
Working alongside.
Working alongside them, yeah.
Um, uh, but what I'm saying is that the real point of control is coming from this, this, this astral dimension.
Um, and I'm not saying that all reptilian entities are, you know, by their very nature of being reptilian, kind of horrible, but, um, I, The, the, the ones I'm talking about and ones I'm exposing who are, you know, generating this agenda.
And it's not, it's not only reptilian.
It's multiple, but reptilian seems to be a dominant form.
Um, I say they are deeply, deeply, deeply unpleasant.
But the other thing is, um, if, if I, whether I'm human or whether I'm not human, my behavior is dictated by my, Consciousness, my state of awareness, that dictates it, right?
And the key to this whole matrix for me, this simulation, is the consciousness that's behind it.
Not, um, you know, entities.
Sure.
They're one level of it.
But what is the consciousness that's dominating and impacting upon the awareness and thus the behavior of those entities?
What's the consciousness that's impacting upon the behavior and awareness of this global cult, especially its inner, inner circles?
And I tell you what I always look for, um, when I've been researching all this, I'm looking for patterns of agreement.
Human Field Shifts Revealed00:07:16
It's easy to find patterns of disagreement, but what are the patterns of agreement?
What are the patterns of agreement between people, organizations, religions, ancient stories that would in many other areas disagree, but what do they agree on?
And one of the things they agree on very demonstrably is that this reality is being manipulated from the unseen.
You could talk about Satan and the demons in Christianity, talk about Shaytan and the jinn in Islam.
You talk about the archons, Greek for rulers, and the demiurge or Yolde Bayoth in the Gnostic belief system, and, you know, in these other areas like the Zulu arena.
Scientology.
Yeah, they're talking about the same phenomenon.
They just give it different names.
Of course they are, because they're different, you know, belief systems.
They're different, um, cultures.
So they'll give them different names, but they're talking about, I would strongly suggest, the same, uh, the same, uh, entities.
Uh, can you tell me of some, some of these stories that were given to you or maybe even personal encounters that put you a little bit more over the edge with, oh, this is an actual physical phenomenon we're dealing with in terms of these beings, uh, Sort of interacting with people.
Do you have any story that comes to mind?
Well, I mean, the thing that really got me on the road of there is no physical in terms of these entities was shape shifting.
Like I say, it was in 1996, I went to America.
I've been to America before, but this was the first time on these subjects.
And I I was traveling around talking to nobody, but I was meeting people.
And like I say, in, in 15 days, I, I met 12 different people that told me about the shape shifting phenomena.
And then it started because the way I work is when something comes to me that is like new or far out, I'll, um, unless my previous research has shown me that actually it's not, it's nonsense.
I won't dismiss it.
I'll put it on the back burner, as I say, and I'll just let it, um, simmer away and I'll see if anything else comes.
Well, it did over and over again.
I've talked to so many people over the years who've had this shape shifting experience.
And again, you, you come back to normal, normal perception and that's impossible.
You can't go from a physical, um, human to a physical non-human.
And, and, you know, um, no one agrees with that more than me.
You can't, but the point is it's not physical.
So if I'm looking at you, Um, cause these, these entities.
They seem to have a dual information field.
Hybrids.
They have a human field and they have a non-human field.
And absolutely for obvious reasons within our reality, it's the human field that is presented at the world.
So if, if, if you, if you're a hybrid and you've got a non-human field, when I look at you, I am decoding your human field.
So, if you are, as I am, a field of information, and I am decoding that field like Wi Fi in a computer into a visual and apparently physical, but really holographic reality.
And if that non human field stays in the background, then that's what I see.
There are, there are times, certainly this has been explained to me so many times in the rituals, in the, in the satanic rituals where they go freaking crazy in some of them.
Um, then there, there is this shift.
And, um, it's been explained to me, not least by, um, people who've experienced it, how, um, they've seen people, including members of the British royal family, by the way, um, shift from a human into a non-human form, like a reptilian form.
In the ritual, especially when all the blood and gore is going on, it's like they that generates this shift.
And also, when people are in a high emotional state, there can be a shift.
I'll tell you a story that was told to me by, it was in Canada, actually.
Where was I speaking?
Vancouver.
And I did this talk and I was introduced to the whole reptilian stuff and stuff.
And the guy who organized it said, I want you to talk to this lady afterwards because she's got an interesting story.
And she was like a businesswoman, a power dressing businesswoman who ran a company and everything.
And she told me of a story where she had this boyfriend.
And she said, he was nice enough, but he had a dark side.
And he knew he had a dark side.
He said, she said, and what happened was they came into the bedroom one night to have sex, like, and she said, Your book, The Biggest Secret, which came out in 1997, was on the shelf next to the bed.
And he saw it and he went apeshit, basically, about how ridiculous it was that she was reading crap like that, right?
So, anyway, they start having sex and she's telling me this story and she's shaking.
Actually, visibly shaking while she's telling me the story.
And she said, She had a, she put her hand on his back, his lower back, while he's kind of on top of her, like.
And she said, I felt my hand push away.
She said, I looked over his shoulder.
He said, and he sprouted a freaking tail, right?
So she screamed, threw him off the bed, and he's a reptilian now, but then it quickly just.
Reverted to human, and she threw him out of the house.
Rejecting Royal Dictat Rules00:04:24
Um, and stories like that have been told to me all over the world.
And what's, what they're, what they're doing is when, when the, the, the non human field becomes the dominant one, you start reading that, you start decoding that.
So to the observer, someone has gone from a, a solid human body to a solid non human body.
That's not what's happened.
It's all going on in the decoding systems of the observer.
And thus, you're not shifting from solid to solid.
You're shifting from energetic field to energetic field, which we are decoding into the appearance of a solid field becoming a solid field.
Have you ever met someone who you suspected to be non human?
Oh, a few times.
Really?
Yeah, a few times.
Um, it's, um, I, I, it's just my view.
I think there, there are, well, the major players in this global cult, I say they're hybrids.
The royal families, I say are hybrids.
And you know, when they, they talk about, um, royalty interbreeding with itself and aristocracy breeding, interbreeding with itself, why is it that royal bloodlines have always Been perceived as special.
Why have they been perceived as having a right to rule, the divine right to rule?
I think it's because they are human reptilian hybrids or human non human hybrids, anyway.
And I think the British royal family are.
I've talked to enough people who've had interactions with them to convince me that's absolutely the case.
The Dutch royal family, I mean, cruel, dear, don't start me.
So, And what happened eventually is that humanity reached a state of maturity where it started to reject rule by human, sorry, royal diktat and royal inheritance.
And then they brought in politics.
And politics is just another way for people to give their power away to the control system.
You know, you vote for this party, you vote for that party, you vote for that party, you vote for that party.
And so the wheel of.
Or the eddy goes on going round.
Basically, if we united, put it down the fault lines of divide and rule, and realize that we have a common threat and we need to come together, well, it would be over because there's not enough of them compared with the target population.
But we don't do that because we're divided and ruled, and not least politically and through religion and what have you.
And so.
You have a, um, you have this situation where, um, the few rule, um, now it's politicians on behalf of those deep in the shadows.
But for a long time, still in this country, of course, and in your country too, Canada, you, you have this royal family where they incessantly interbreed with each other.
And when, and when the, um, the, the, the royalty started to fade because people rejected it and the, the, these bloodlines, these hybrids, Went into politics and they went into the dark suit professions of, of finance and what have you.
And all these, um, Eastern, what they call them, Eastern, um, seaboard families, um, who marry not for love often, but for genetics.
And they have their love on the side, just like, um, Now King Charles, um, married, um, Princess Diana for genetics, but had, um, uh, the, the, the lady now the Queen, um, going on, um, uh, all along at the same time, because that's, that's where he wanted to be, not with Diana.
Diana And Shape Shifting Royals00:06:02
And funny enough, um, it was, um, when would it be?
1997, um, 97, 98.
After Diana died in the Paris tunnel, the Pont d'Alma tunnel in Paris, I was invited to the House of Lords in London, Houses of Parliament, to speak with a few people, very few people, a handful of people, Lords and what have you, who were kind of more open.
And there was a lady there and she started talking about Diana and Diana's accident, shall we say.
It wasn't.
And afterwards I said to her, How do you know all that?
She said, well, my friend was Diana's best friend for nine years, right?
She said, I think she'll talk to you.
So, um, maybe a week later we met.
I've still got the conversation on a reel to reel audio tape somewhere.
And, um, by this time I'd had that experience of the, the 15 days and the 12 people that told me in different parts of America about this, their shape shifting experience.
And anyway, and one of the other things that happened as well, but I hadn't told her.
I said nothing about it, I'd not produced a book about it or anything at the time.
I said a word to this lady, and she starts talking.
She was her best friend for nine years, or one of her best friends.
And she was like an alternative healer.
She used to work at something called the Ho Clinic near Regent's Park in London.
Diana used to go to her, right?
And actually, she told me one thing that what this lady called friendly people at MI5 used to leave messages at her clinic to be given to Diana when she came, because all very surreptitious.
And one of the messages was that she was, they were planning to kill her in a car accident.
No way.
Yeah, there was.
Yep, absolutely.
And her butler, Later, Burroughs' name was, then said that she told him the same, right?
But I got it from this lady.
So, anyway, she's talking, and she told me about Jimmy Savile, the mega paedophile who was in the inner circle of the British royal family.
And he was put in there, well known by a guy called Lord Mountbatten, who was a known paedophile, a mentor to Prince Philip and Prince Charles.
And Jimmy Savile, this is why he was allowed to do what he did all those decades, was a procurer of children for the Richard Famous.
And here he is in the bosom of the British royal family.
Just extraordinary stuff.
Anyway, she's chatting away and going on and stuff.
And then she told me that Diana used to call the.
They used to call the British royal family, um, the lizards and the reptiles.
Uh, she used to say they're not human, right?
And so I played the idiot because I'd all this stuff.
I'd started coming across all this stuff.
I played the idiot.
I said, what do you mean?
Reptiles.
What are you talking about?
And she said, you know, the royal family are, are hybrids.
They're part human, part, part, part reptilian, right?
And she told me the story and, um, she said, it's interesting.
She said, even, even a lot, a lot of the people, a lot of the followers, you know, even, even, Quite close to them have no idea who they are, right?
And I've come across other people because what I'm doing all the time is trying to cross reference what one person's told me to another people have told me.
And I've come across people who've been at rituals with the royal family and how they've shape shifted.
And I quote in The Biggest Secret.
How this lady, this nine year friend of Diana, describes the royals, the queen, and the queen mother, who was supposed to be the nation's grandmother.
Oh, what a lovely lady.
Oh, God, she gave evil a bad name, that woman.
She described what they looked like in their shape shifted state, in their reptilian state.
And I've come across other people who've taken part in the rituals and described the same thing how they watched the queen in the adrenochrome stage go absolutely freaking wild, start ripping at the flesh of the sacrifice.
So, you know, and again, in different parts of the world, I've talked to other people who've taken part in these rituals and it's the same kind of story.
And What they're doing in the rituals is interacting with this other dimensional force, this pantheon of gods, if you like, just as the ancients were.
Can I get two lattes, please?
One decaf.
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I've just seen the most horrendous news on the Epstein files.
No, I actually wish I could unsee it.
You mean that stuff that I've been banging on about for years now?
I actually are.
Look, you can just admit when you're wrong.
Please may I get a white wart in small?
Those please.
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