The Trafficking & Mind Control We've Warned About for 35 Years | David Icke & Cathy O'Brien
Kathy O’Brien and David Icke reveal a 35-year-old CIA MKUltra network linked to the White House, Pentagon, and global elites, using trauma—like child abuse before age five—to program perception across generations. O’Brien cites Mark Phillips’ role in her rescue, while Icke ties suppression to COVID-19 censorship. Epstein’s files, Trump’s alleged cover-up, and Jimmy Savile’s royal connections expose systemic satanism and pedophilia, with Lord Mountbatten and Princess Diana implicated. Testimonies describe Savile’s necrophilia and Freemasonic grooming, yet crimes went unpunished due to police complicity. They argue true control involves interdimensional forces, not just politics, urging resistance through truth-sharing and consciousness over physical identity. [Automatically generated summary]
People sitting in government around the world, carving the world up.
Men saying, you take Panama, you take Venezuela, you take this.
They were screaming into the wind.
Kathy was trapped inside the White House and the Pentagon, being passed around like a sex toy.
And when she had a little girl, I did the same to her as well.
Bush Senior, that dirty alpedo.
Oh, are you offended?
This broadcast is not for snowflakes.
So best you leave pop it.
David Icke, same thing, been standing up, screaming into the wind all these years.
Some of you turned away, but now more and more of you are looking thinking, I think this blank's got something to say here.
You best be right.
David Icke, welcome, sir.
How are you?
I'm good, mate.
Thank you.
Kathy O'Brien, how are you, my love?
I'm great.
I'm happy to be here.
So good to have you.
You know, I know that you went through the worst of public ridicule.
And if you're someone's poster child for that and how to survive it, then thank you very much.
Because like you said, anyone that cares what one person thinks, you know, they literally own a piece of your soul.
And it's where we have to be at this stage.
Yeah, but that's an interesting point because I went through historic levels of ridicule.
I mean, it was ridiculous.
I couldn't walk down the street without being pointed out and laughed at, going to a bar, forget it.
But it gave me a wonderful gift.
You know, I have this phrase, life often gives you your greatest gifts, brilliantly disguised as your worst nightmare.
And what it did was clear me out, free me, given what I've just said, of the fear of what other people think because they all seem to be laughing anyway.
And, you know, I just reached the point where I thought, whatever, whatever's thrown at me, I'm going for this because it feels right.
And I'm still going for it now.
Brilliantly, doing brilliantly.
And I heard you the other day on a broadcast with someone saying that you're still learning and that it's such the right thing to say.
We never stop learning or evolving or growing.
Kathy, let's come to you.
So you guys have known of each other for these 35 years.
And Kathy, for those that have never seen you before, mostly of course on this channel at my conference, which David's also speaking at this year in England, September 2026, so excited.
But Kathy, can you give us, although it's difficult to do, a synopsis of what happened to you, how the CIA abused you, and ultimately how you and David became embroiled in each other's lives and what he did to highlight you?
Stand Strong in Truth00:06:40
Well, I'm a CIA MKUltra mind control survivor.
I was deep in the Washington, D.C. swamp among perpetrators who steal elections, who fund their globalist agenda with drug and human trafficking across open borders, and who are using mind control to usher in what Adolf Hitler, George Bush, Joe Biden, and a handful of self-appointed, self-anointed global leaders term New World Order.
They might call it the Great Reset, whatever it is.
It's a slave society agenda.
And our mental capacities are under attack as a means of a spiritual warfare.
Deep in the swamp among these perpetrators, I can assure you they are a dark, negative energy force.
They are not like us.
They do not like us.
And their greatest fear is the strength of the human spirit and the infinite power of love.
Because when we remember who we are and why we're here, we have the ability to align with the divine within.
We have the ability to gather that strength of the human spirit and stand up and live our life's purpose, no matter the ridicule, no matter what anybody else has to say.
We stand strong in that purpose.
And when we stand strong in that purpose, we bring an important piece of our individual puzzle to the table, our truth to the table.
And when everyone brings that piece of the puzzle to the table, the big picture comes into view.
We see it all.
In other words, it's like our light shines so bright, it exposes everything in the darkness and reveals it all.
That's what they fear the most.
They fear that people will experience something like what David just described and choose to live their life's purpose, to align with that, to go with that, to be open to all possibility, to understand there's so much more to this life than we realize.
It's our victory.
It's our saving grace.
It's what we're born for.
It's an evolutionary time we're living.
But right now, and for generations now, we have all been bombarded with mind control.
The formula for mind control came into the U.S. through Project Paperclip.
When we imported the Nazi and fascia scientists into the U.S., with them came the formula for mind control.
That formula is the same, whether it's of an individual, a nation, a classroom, a military, or the world.
Trauma is the basis of it.
And mind control is a sliding scale from the torturous, robotic MK Ultra mind control I experienced on the White House Pentagon level to information control.
Because we all formulate our thoughts, our opinions, and ultimately our actions based on what we know.
We need to know our knowledge base has been deliberately altered a long, long time.
Pertinent information on our birthright facts have been suppressed for generations.
We have a right to know and a need to know this information, but knowledge is our defense against mind control.
It is truth that makes us free.
When we have our free thought, free will, soul expression, when we have that soul expression, we have discernment of truth.
We have compassion for each other.
We have the ability to align with the divine within, to gather that strength of spirit and the infinite power of love and live life the way that it's intended to be lived.
And this is our time.
It's our time to shine, but it takes people waking up.
They've got to wake up to realize we've been manipulated.
Our information has been manipulated.
And there's so much more to learn.
I was talking with my daughter Kelly the other day.
And she was saying, yeah, the great awakening is real.
People are waking up, but they sure have a long way to go to catch up.
And they do.
And they've got a lot to learn.
Got to find out where all these roots of corruption are planted.
David and I have been exposing them for 35 years.
So there's a good roadmap right there people can use to uproot those roots of corruption.
And ultimately, in that process, we gain knowledge that is our defense against mind control going forward.
We evolve with that knowledge.
We evolve with this spiritual awakening.
It's an amazing time to be alive.
And I continue to speak out.
I have for over 35 years on MK Ultra Mind Control and healing from it because we have been blessed with resiliency of body, mind, and spirit.
When we heal from within ourselves, we have it all.
We have the victory.
We can no longer be manipulated.
We can no longer fall prey.
It's like once you know the magic trick, the spell is broken.
And it's the same with mind control.
So when we understand that, we're going to be able to reclaim our free thought and reclaim ultimately our soul expression.
Our humanity's been under attack for generations.
It's been eroded through especially child sexual abuse because it had been found in Hitler-Himmler research.
There's no trauma more horrific on the human mind than sexual abuse of a child prior to age five while the brain is still forming.
So, this pedophile agenda we're seeing is a mind control agenda.
When we understand that, we understood to see how child sex trafficking has become one of the most lucrative businesses in the world, funding this globalist agenda that is eroding our humanity through mind control in order to have us at a low vibration like they are, to have us at a low vibration with artificial intelligence.
But we've got the victory within, we've got the high vibration, we've got it all when we reclaim our free thought and live the love we are.
So, um, how amazing that I was able to heal and reclaim that, to be able to move in the synchronicity, to be able to move in that divine flow and meet David in that process so early on and know that there were others out there bringing this important truth to light so that people could evolve with our birthright knowledge that we had forgotten.
Mark Phillips' Journey00:04:30
I'm so grateful to David for all that he's been and done and the friendship that he's been, the light that he has been to this world, and the fact that he too the ridicule doesn't matter when you're living your life's purpose and know your own truth.
It makes it easy to understand other people are all on their own learning path and they may not be as far down their path.
You know, so we just light the way and let them be and keep living purpose.
It's all any of us can do.
So true.
Before we come back to David, I want to highlight this great book.
It's The Transformation of America.
It is one of the single most important books that were ever written, was ever written.
The first half of the book is your beautiful husband, Mark Phillips, who has passed on in recent years.
But this is the man who was at the highest level of national security in America, who heard about you and your little girl being trafficked in one of the MKUltra marriages, forced marriage with a handle, etc.
It's all in here.
And this man couldn't live with himself knowing there was a young mother and her little girl being used and abused in the most unimaginable ways and passed around to global leaders, global leaders, everyone, all those dirty, filthy bastards.
Yes, all of them.
They're not getting away with it.
So Mark rescued Kathy, and Kathy was in a very zombified state.
And the beauty of this book for me, that the element, the high element of her healing was that as she began to fall naturally in love with Mark, she began to reclaim her memories.
She healed from the most incredibly heinous, dark MK Ultra programming that was supposed to leave her void of feelings.
She was abused in every way by filthy women as well.
Hillary Clinton allegedly, although it's not alleged, it's true.
That dirty cow, you dirty cow.
We've got to call them out, not be afraid of it.
They deserve it.
They deserve to be shamed and named, those filthy monsters.
And this book, The Second Half, is your story.
After Mark is explaining national security, it is just incredible.
So I wanted to highlight that.
And I'm not sure, David, if this was how you found Kathy through her book, but please, over to you, sir.
Well, it found me.
It found me because I had an invitation to speak in America in Denver, Colorado, at a conference.
And it was the first time I was going to speak on these subjects in the United States.
And I'd been up to Scotland quite a while before, and I'd met a guy in Scotland.
And we had a chat and we were basically on the same page on many, many things.
And then I'm sitting at home.
And this is a long time after I met him.
And suddenly this package arrives through the letterbox.
And I opened it.
And there is a book called Transformation of America.
This is three weeks before I'm going to the conference in Denver, Colorado.
And I didn't know who the other speakers were.
I just know that I was going, that's all I knew.
And I started reading this book.
And immediately I thought, this needs some serious focus.
So I went up to the bedroom and I sat on the bed and I read it from cover to cover in one go.
And it was extraordinary.
But again, you can read Transformation of America and you can go, oh, come on, you're having a laugh.
Or you can say, I'm going to give this a chance to make its case.
And as my research from then on continued, it absolutely did make its case.
And then I go off to the conference in Denver and who's there?
You have little tables where you put your books on and stuff.
And the table next to mine, there was Kathy O'Brien and Mark Phillips.
And I thought, oh, God, I've just read your book.
And from then on, you know, we have kept in touch.
Perceptions Across Generations00:14:41
And I just want to say, too, that what Kathy has done in highlighting mind control and Mark Phillips before he left us was absolutely fantastic and pivotal.
And, you know, this is something I've been trying to get across over the years.
What is the foundation of human control?
People talk about mind control and they think, oh, well, that's a bit complicated and that's a bit far out and it's Manchurian candidates.
What is mind control?
It's getting someone to believe and behave the way you want them to.
That's it.
And on that basis, much of the human race, most of the human race, the great majority of the human race is under forms of mind control because they're under forms of perceptual control.
Now, if you want someone to behave a certain way and react a certain way, then you've got to get their perceptions because we act as we do and we behave as we do because we perceive as we do.
This is what censorship is all about.
You know, if you want control of someone's perception, then where do we get our perceptions from?
We get them from information that we come across, everything from a news bulletin to a Facebook post to a personal experience.
And we form our perceptions from that.
And what this network, this global cult, as I call it, is seeking to do is control perception by controlling the information that you receive to form your perceptions.
This is why they censored.
I mean, when when I was calling out the covid hoax in 2020, in the spring of 2020 and pointing out what the the the the coming vaccination was all about, I was cleared off the entirety of social media at that time.
And it was because I was saying something that was saying to people.
don't believe me just because i'm saying it, but have a look, because there's another way of looking at what's happening in this Covid situation than they're telling you which, of course, now we absolutely know is true.
Um, and they, they cleared me off social media.
They basically banned me from any mainstream media in Britain.
It over almost overnight, because I was um, saying to people, there's another way of looking at this.
They don't want that.
They want people to perceive everything from their perspective, what they want us to believe and how they want us to see it.
And so mind control is not some, you know, far out uh um, stuff that's kind of not impacting on people's lives.
Mind control is the very foundation of human control, because without that, you wouldn't have human control.
Yeah, absolutely incredible.
And you know, as we go through the timelines and you know, before the last 35 years, which is where you guys warned us.
You warned us, you told us again.
You were screaming into the wind telling us the world is corrupt.
There's Mk Ultra happening.
So before Kathy was unfortunately forced into the role from her pedo dad making child porn, as lots of children sadly go through and then it being picked up by the CIA that said, we're either going to arrest you or we're going to keep uh, showing you how to groom Kathy the way we want her to be groomed.
And then Kathy was then put through the ritualistic abuse in the White House Pentagon, to the global leaders too, and with that she was given the title presidential model.
Now, a person that happened to have that same moniker was also Marilyn Monroe.
That's correct, isn't it Kathy?
Yes, it it is.
And um, Maggie Trudeau was another presidential model.
You know, there there's, there's been many, it's just those that are used on that particular level.
The formula for Mk Ultra mind control is multi-generational um, when it comes into the sub-project Monarch.
And that's because it was found in Hitler Himmler research that any abuse base, knowledge base or belief system becomes autogenic in the brain and it's passed down generation to generation.
And when we have that understanding of our mind, brain function.
We start to understand how slowly we have been manipulated to start accepting the pedophile agenda, To accept this globalist agenda, to accept the perceptions that they were getting us to form so that we always look outside ourselves to big government, big pharma, big tech, big cult, occult religion to tell us how to live our lives.
When in fact, of course, we've been blessed with that within us all along, but we're being misled very deliberately.
And it's been done through the generations.
The bloodline families, again, using that generational aspect of what's being passed down.
Well, information that's passed down generationally, if it's also information that's suppressed, like our birthright to healing from within, the capacities that we have within our brain for heightened intuitions and capabilities, that we can heal our own bodies, that we have resiliency of body, mind, and spirit.
That information is suppressed for generations, then it becomes forgotten.
It's not lost.
It's not gone.
We just need to remember that we have these capabilities.
So the formula for mind control that has been used on the global population now for generations is MKUltra Mind Control Project Monarch.
For people who don't want to believe in mind control or who don't want to believe in MKUltra, the documents have now been fully released, unredacted for a year now.
There's thousands of pages on MKUltra, exactly where it was done, how it was done.
All the validation is right there.
So, you know, anybody who didn't want to believe, it's there, you know, and it's like people who didn't want to believe transformation of America back in 1995 when every word in it was validated by clean members of intelligence and law enforcement, so much so that national security was invoked on it.
But still, people didn't want to believe it.
And many that did started thinking it was like prophetic because I named who is going to be placed in the office of president.
Now you look back on it and it's like a history book.
It all happened.
It is validated.
Time proved it.
You know, the thing is that this generational effect is something that we all need to overcome.
It's up to each and every one of us to go within ourselves and break that chain so that we can expand our mind to embrace all possibility, to embrace the magnitude of what this life has to offer.
Not only do we need to heal from the past, we need to move forward in light of the capacities that we have.
Re-embrace those.
You know, people wonder why I smile.
They ask me all the time, how can you smile after all the torture and hell that you've been through?
And it's because I know the truth.
I know the truth of our own power.
I know the truth of our victory and it's within us and it's inevitable.
And it's just a matter of us remembering and reclaiming that victory.
So I share that message that not only is healing possible and absolute, no matter what happens to us in life, it's not who we are.
Who we are is still within us, divinely protected, ready to be freed.
And if we consciously free that, we have that ability, each and every one of us.
Finally, something's happening.
Something is opening up in people.
And that's why, again, your book is so important.
Giving, look, there's the yellow brick road.
How many times in MK Ultra have we heard about that?
How many times have we been positioned to listen to elements of The Wizard of Oz?
That Kathy herself was abused, being passed from one president or whatever to another, given a little caption about the Wizard of Oz movie that she then went to the next person that was going to harm her and repeat that out to you, right, Kathy?
Let's talk a little bit about that, some of the manipulations that they use and still today with little girls like you.
Well, the Wizard of Oz was a theme program that was powerful.
But, you know, when we all consider that and pull aside the wizard's curtain, we see it's just one guy pulling levers to make himself look like the great and powerful Oz, when in fact, That's what these global perpetrators are doing to make themselves look like they're bigger than they are.
They're pulling those levers.
They're holding all the strings over the media that's giving them voice and information and dividing the people so that we don't talk about the truth and bring pieces of the puzzle together.
I think it was absolutely brilliant how you describe the divisions, David, and it's so true.
And by uniting, it's not that we all need to change our beliefs and accept each other's and push ours.
And once everybody believes like we do, we'll be united.
No, we all need to bring our own piece of the puzzle to the table because when we have those unique pieces of the puzzle is when the big picture comes into focus.
So we need to reframe what we're thinking on division.
Look what was done with mind control masks as a virus.
The families were especially attacked.
You know, where you wear this mask or grandma will die.
And, you know, and all that that they did was absolutely horrific.
Repetition is the most basic form of mind control.
Some fell prey to it and went for it full bore and others were thinking free.
I'm asking you to factor in this important part of the equation.
Satanists use mind control to stop people from being able to access their victory.
Their darkness can't creep in on our light unless we believe it and allow for that to happen.
They only have as much power as we give them or let them steal.
You know, and that's how it goes.
So we can look at this whole satanic aspect and the difference there and realize, no, you keep your difference.
I'm keeping mine.
I know this truth.
Put it together.
Wow.
We have a powerful combination of information that's bringing a big picture into focus.
Same thing with David talking about the lizard aliens all these years and what that has the important information he's been able to bring forward with it.
And that was never my experience with George Bush Sr.
He set up an illusion.
He set up a holographic thing.
The mind control programming.
I heard the voice.
I know exactly how it was set up, what was being done.
Why that theme?
Why was that one used?
It's because it's the most primitive fear in the human mind.
We have a fear of reptiles.
It's even in the Bible.
We got a crossover on the alien religious theme with the snake.
You know, we got the reptile evil that's there.
Regardless of how all these perceptions are manipulated, the fact is that mind control was being used with that theme to make us feel helpless, as though there's nothing we can do.
It's beyond our realm to affect.
Actually, it's all within our realm to affect when we remember that we have all the power.
We have the truth.
We need to know the truth.
We need to know the whole truth, the complete truth.
All the levels of it, all the dimensions of it, all these directions of it.
And so people would say, well, David says this.
Why do you say that?
And it's because what if we're both right?
What if this is just part of bringing together difference so that we can all see a bigger picture and know the truth that ultimately we have all the power, we have nothing to fear, and we don't need to be manipulated anymore.
We have pulled back that curtain.
We have exposed the manipulation on us all, and it can't happen anymore.
Once we know the truth, we're free from it.
The spell is broken.
Bloody hell, Kathy.
That was amazing.
You're just on fire.
I love it.
Before we come back to David, we talk about the same playbook, the same generational bloodline families, the same bloody people.
Haven't they died yet?
Let's go back to Aquino.
You mentioned earlier with me before David joined us, what is happening with the Charlie Cart cold-blooded murder shot in the neck in front of people, right?
And who was on that board?
Go ahead, what you told me earlier with Aquino and that connection.
And let's talk about who Aquino is, apart from being hideously ugly.
Yeah, for sure that.
It's just horrifically evil what he did.
He graduated beyond Anton LeVay and took all the satanic German influences, made a powerful form of mind control.
And he even wrote the book on it.
He went to the psychological warfare division.
He studied there on how to manipulate minds.
He wrote the book on it, Mind War.
His Mind War was written in 1980.
It was written with a mentor of his and a cohort of his, General Valerie.
Manipulating Minds: The Tyranny of Suggestion00:16:31
This general, and you know, I just think everybody needs to research this for themselves because I was looking into the Turning Point USA, the infiltration potential.
It had to have been infiltrated.
What was going on?
Why was Charlie Kirk assassinated?
Assassinations occur when someone's not complying.
So what was it all about?
There's so much psychological warfare that was going on with this.
A whole generation of conservative youth were traumatized seeing that that was their Kennedy headshot.
It was their trauma.
Why was this done?
And then when I looked and I saw General Valerie on the board of Turning Point USA as an advisor, why?
Why?
Why would someone who's so satanically rooted and absolutely rooted in mind control on a board of something like Turning Point USA?
Is this a piece of the puzzle?
And the Charlie Kirk assassination?
It's evil by any other name and it's something that needs to be looked at.
But we've got all these little pieces of the puzzle that we've got to examine in order to understand what in the world is going on so that we can stop this from happening, so we can stop history from repeating itself, so that we don't have another national global trauma of another leader headshot in front of all of us.
You know, we don't need that kind of traumatic influence anymore.
And even when people are onto it and realize it, we've got to all come together in order to stop it.
We have to evolve as humanity in order to bring this forward.
But ultimately, we need all the pieces of the puzzle.
We need the truth.
We need to understand that we share this planet with a very dark, negative energy force.
They do not like us.
They are not like us.
And it doesn't matter what we call them.
They don't belong meddling in our brilliant minds and lives anymore.
David.
Well, I think Turning Point USA is a definitely the global cult behind it.
And I think it's an extraordinarily manipulative operation.
And it may be that Charlie Kirk was no longer complying with where it was being taken and what its view views of various things were and that he was taken out.
But I think also, I think it's very instructive.
Kathy mentioned it a few minutes ago about trauma being something that makes people suggestible.
Now, we're back to the theme I mentioned earlier of mind control being played on the masses in pretty much the same way that it's played on individuals.
And if you traumatize a child or someone you're targeting for mind control, then the compartments start to, the altars start to form and you've got this broken up, fractured mind to program with whatever you want them to do.
And just look at the world.
Look at the world year after year after year after year.
There's endless ways that the population globally is being traumatized.
And, you know, as Kathy said, you know, anyone that believed in Turning Point USA or believed in Charlie Kirk, they would have gone through tremendous trauma as a result of what happened to him.
And therefore, they become suggestible.
Therefore, the population becomes suggestible when you have a First World War, a Second World War, the horrors of what have gone on in Gaza since October the 7th.
All these traumas make people suggestible.
And, you know, I talked about two mind control perception controlling techniques that I dubbed in the 1990s problem reaction solution and the totalitarian tiptoe.
But problem reaction solution is mind control.
It's making something happen, a traumatic thing overwhelmingly happen.
The population reacting to the problem in a way that is emotionally distraught or fearful.
And then those who've created the problem covertly and blame someone else for it got that reaction, that emotional reaction of trauma, do something, then openly offer the solutions to the problems they have covertly created.
And whenever you see the answers to the or the solutions to the problems, they're always going in the same direction.
The centralization of global power and censorship overwhelmingly, which is exactly the direction of travel that we're being taken.
And if you look at Satanism, basically it inverts everything.
It's an inversion of life.
It's kind of interesting that the word evil is live written backwards because it is an inversion of life as it really should be.
And so you look at inversions everywhere.
And the great inversion I've already mentioned, billions of people being manipulated and directed by a handful.
Now, how is that possible?
You know, tyranny, whether it's in the form of fascism or communism or whatever, is never imposed by fascists and communists and tyrants because there's never enough of them.
Tyranny is brought about by the mass of the population acquiescing to tyranny.
And there are three types of people in the world, three basic types in relation to this.
One is the first group that just does what authority tells it without question, often because it believes bizarrely, given the evidence, that authority knows best and is benevolent and it wouldn't do anything to harm us.
It looks upon us with favor.
The second group is that which does not want to do what authority tells it, but is terrified of not doing it, terrified of not complying because it fears the consequences of not complying.
Now, those two groups have been behind the imposition of every tyranny in history, every single one, because without them, the tyrants can't rule because there's not enough of them.
And then you've got group number three, which is getting bigger.
Hallelujah.
And that's the group that is researched enough, is streetwise enough, has the sense of self-security and self-respect to make sure it becomes informed and it can see why authority is telling them to do whatever.
it is at the time and the reasons for it.
And it says, I can see what you're doing.
I can see why you want me to do it, but I ain't.
I ain't complying.
I'm not going to do what you want me to do because I can see why you want me to do it.
And that group has ended every tyranny in history.
It often starts in small numbers and then gradually gradually grows.
And then group number two, who doesn't want to do it, but fears not doing it, a lot of them start to join this group.
And eventually the numbers are reached where the tyranny is brought down.
You know, when I first met Kathy O'Brien in 1996 in Denver, Colorado, and I read her book and then I started researching this whole subject of mind control.
And I continued well after the millennium, just focusing on the techniques and how it was done.
And like I said, once you realize what the techniques are, you see them being played on the general population.
And what happens is when people hear about it, they first of all say it's too fantastic, it can't be true.
But not only is it true and needs to be focused upon, it's vast in its scale.
So, for instance, one expression of it, child abuse and Satanism, is the Epstein situation, the Epstein network.
And there are certain times, even though it's global and vast and is absolutely a foundation feature of this whole global cult.
The fact that this cult controls the political level and it controls the media level, it means that the cover-ups of what's actually going on can be extremely effective.
But every now and again, something breaks.
And what you see is not the entirety of the global satanic child abuse pedophilia network.
You see one aspect of it coming to light.
And, you know, they often try to isolate it and say, oh, no, this is just one man or a rogue group, when actually it's part of a global operation.
And so you've got the Epstein situation, which absolutely connects into Trump.
Absolutely.
You don't go to the lengths he has to stop the Epstein files in their entirety coming out if you've got nothing to hide quite blatantly.
Epstein called Trump his best friend for 10 years, at least 10 years.
So Trump knew what was going on.
And then we have in Britain, we have the Jimmy Savile situation, this BBC, quote, entertainer who in the 1960s came to prominence as the new breed of what they called disc jockeys.
And after he died in 2011, it all came out of what he was up to.
Well, I say it all came out.
Not all of it came out.
His historic levels of paedophilia came out and a little bit of his Satanism.
But what didn't come out is that Jimmy Saville was a procurer of children for the rich and famous.
Now, this becomes extraordinarily relevant because from a book I published in 1997, 98 called The Biggest Secret onwards, I started to come across more and more evidence of Saville's involvement.
And part of it came from a lady who was a close friend of Princess Diana for nine years before they eventually fell out and was acknowledged as such by the mainstream media.
And she told me, I've still got one of those real to or two of those real to real audio tapes of what she said.
She told me of the background of how appallingly Diana was treated by the royals.
She was their brood mare, basically.
And once she produced the heirs, she was out of the fold, eventually killed.
And part of that was her description of the involvement in the royal family of Jimmy Saville.
He was a close friend of Prince Philip until they fell out eventually, and was a close friend of now King Charles, Prince Charles then, right to the end of Saville's life.
And then you realize, and this is in Saville's own words, that he was brought into the inner circle of the British royal family in the 1960s by Lord Mountbatten.
Now, Lord Mountbatten was a known paedophile.
I mean, there's documents have come to light from the FBI, which go and talk about him in that direction.
But there are many other sources too.
And so this disc jockey who just played discs on the radio and fronted up BBC entertainment shows, he was brought into the inner circle of the British royal family in the 1960s and basically stayed there till not long before the end of his life.
And Princess Diana described to her friend who described it to me how Savile was brought in by Charles as a mediator between him and Diana when their marriage was breaking down.
Of course, he was keeping on with Camilla Parker Bowles, now the quote queen, all the way through the relationship basically with Diana, because that was a genetic operation and nothing to do with love.
And so you then had the story breaking about Savile.
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It was an ITV show about a year after he died about his paedophilia, which this friend of Diana had told me about long before that this is what he was involved in.
And of course, unfortunately, she wouldn't say so publicly.
And therefore, you know, I was stuck, but not that they would have believed me anyway.
They all thought I was mad.
But eventually it did come out.
And so why is this guy in the inner circle of the British royal family, this paedophile, Satanist, and procurer of children for the rich and famous, including people like Ted Heath, the one-time British prime minister, who I named in The Biggest Secret as a Satanist stroke paedophile.
And the passage was read to him in 1998 when the book was published by a journalist.
And Heath just said, Well, David Icke must be mad.
And that was the end of it.
He could have sued me to high evin and took the book out of circulation, but that would have meant going to court and these things being presented.
And of course, 17 years after that book was published, Wiltshire Police did an investigation into Heath, who was dead by then, and decided that if he was alive, then there was enough evidence to bring him in for questioning.
Well, the people I've spoken to over the years, my God, there's enough evidence.
The point is that when the whole Savile thing broke, where was the media going to the British royal family and saying, what was this bloody guy doing in your inner circle all these years?
Are you not going to explain yourselves?
It was never done.
It was just all covered up.
And so this film, Beneath the Surface, is telling a profound truth about how this network works and who is ultimately orchestrating it.
It's a fantastic movie.
Wow, wow, wow.
You know, it's so important, isn't it?
Like you said, you've had first-hand accounts, testimonies given to your ear.
And they're the best ones.
They really are.
And it's important because there's a lot of people that, you know, build careers on espousing stories they've heard.
But the fact that you are, you know, you've been given these kind of insights.
And I wanted to address a couple of things that you said because with Epstein, right?
So, and no one often talks about like what he actually was as an individual.
But just by happenstance, this happens to me a lot in my life.
I happen to know somebody who was married into that family.
Kevin and Ian Maxwell, Geelan's brothers.
Her name is pronounced Geelan, not Ghislaine, Geelan.
So Geelan is bringing Jeffrey to dinner and she's meeting with members of the family, her brothers, etc.
And they're very late and they turn up.
And my friend said it was the single most awkward dinner she'd ever had because that freakoid Epstein kept whispering into Geelan's ear the whole time and looking straight at my friend.
She said it was so weird, made her skin crawl.
Okay.
So that's one account of a sickly kind of bestial.
And then of course we've come to understand what, you know, what and who he was.
And yeah, why still hasn't everything come out in full?
Because obviously there are people there that don't want their information or themselves to be named.
You also mentioned Savile.
I interviewed a beautiful lady recently.
Her name is Rebecca Barron.
She came on my channel and she told me that she was selected by, and we know not all Freemasons are evil.
Of course, we know that.
But a Freemasonic group that would come to her house, there were loads of her brothers and sisters.
They chose her and they took her and they groomed her, MK Ultra at her and did awful things to her.
One of the things being that they came in, there was five animals, cats and dogs, and they all had their throats slit in front of her.
So this little five-year-old girl, yeah, that's what they do.
One of the things they do, you should wait till you meet Max Lowen under the Vatican, what they did to the kids there, what they do to the kids there.
And so Rebecca Barron has now witnessed these animals be slaughtered in front of her.
Then she's taken to Jimmy Saville's flat, five years old, and he rapes her.
And when he's done, he comes back in the room and he's wearing a scary satanic robe and he stands over her and he says, you killed those animals.
And that's also what they do to break the spirit of the child, these psychopaths.
And I believe Rebecca, and that's a first-hand account of the level of depravity of that freak, Savile.
One of the worst stories I heard about him was one of his victims, we're not sure if he was, because apparently he was a necrophiliac.
So he'd go to the house.
He was, yeah.
This lady told me about that.
Yeah, about his necrophilia.
Yeah.
Yeah, horrendous.
One of the victims of him was a person that wore a glass eye.
He took that eye and he made it into a ring.
Now, there is another level of such dysfunction and unthinkable cruelty and horror, you know, and so, you know, these things came out.
I remember when the information was coming out and people went out and kicked Jimmy Savile's tomb over, which was great.
Ha ha on him.
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Do you remember that when all the information, because he died, he didn't get held accountable for his atrocities.
Oh, no, no, he didn't.
And that's another point, you see, is because it's very clear that the police knew what he was up to.
They knew about his paedophilia.
Now, if the police knew, then special branch knew, then the police operation protecting the royals knew.
And you mean it was never mentioned to the royals what he was?
Of course they knew because, you know, you look at these royal bloodline families.
Well, you know, there's so much more to know about the relevance of bloodline and the genetic, the genetic software, shall we say, that is passed on through these bloodlines.
And again, you would have thought, well, you would have known that the police would have been saying, what's going on here?
And telling the royal family, oh, you really shouldn't be having anything to do with this guy.
But clearly that didn't happen or certainly was not acted upon.
And so you had this inner circle of the royal family infested by this man.
And again, where are the questions for why that was?
People cover up so much for so long.
You also mentioned Camilla Parker Bowles and Charles Windsor, Mount Betton.
I forget the last name, so it's not important.
But what's important for me is my first career, I was a nursery nurse and I was very lucky because I was working, I considered very lucky, in an aristocratic environment.
I wasn't working, I wasn't a royal nanny, I was a step down.
So I was working for this beautiful family, absolutely loved them to death.
They were wonderful people.
And I had a great time with them and looked after their baby from six months old to just over a year and a half.
And it was a great time.
And I got on great with them.
There was no, no like, oh, you're, I was just myself and people either take it or leave it.
And if you take it, we're going to get on fine.
But I don't want your bollocks, you know, your hierarchical bollocks.
I'm not interested in that.
Anyway, so I had a great time with them.
So one time I'm in the kitchen, I'm making the baby's bottles up and the husband and wife are sitting down and the Daily Mail gets delivered, right?
This is in the 90s, okay, in the 1990s.
And it gets put on the table and the father, the man, my boss, you know, the dad, he goes, oh my God, oh my God.
And his wife's going, what?
And he's going, look, look.
Oh, my God.
And I'm going, oh, my God.
Why?
What's happening?
And the headline was, Charles is having an affair with Camilla.
Now, we'd heard about it before, but there it was as a headline.
And then this man I was working for, loved him.
Don't want to say their names, want to keep their privacy.
He slammed his hand down.
He's going, oh, I can't believe it.
It's out.
It's out.
I'm like, oh, my God.
And I'm all caught up in the drama.
And I said, Is that true then?
They're like, Yes, Danny, it's true.
And I said, How do you know?
They said, Well, we're in the royal circles, of course.
We know, you know.
And I was like, I said, Why are you telling me?
And then the dad went, Who's going to believe you, Danny?
You're the nanny.
Yeah, exactly.
Do you know?
I met Princess Diana once.
I was a presenter on the first breakfast TV program in Britain.
It's called Breakfast Time back in the early 1980s, 1982, I think it started, something around that time.
And because it was a big deal, because before then, I mean, television didn't start until mid-morning or something.
Breakfast television was absolutely new.
And so there was a royal visit from Princess Diana.
And I was introduced to her.
And I was surprised how tall she was for a start.
But I was not into any of this stuff at the time.
I was just a TV presenter.
But I looked in her eyes and I saw absolute terror.
And it took me aback.
I thought, whoa, what's all that about?
Well, a lot later, I found out what it was about by the way she was being treated in the British royal family.
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And by the way, you know, for anyone that has never heard of necrophilia, it means sex with dead bodies.
Well, that's why Jimmy Sabell used to volunteer as a porter at the Leeds Hospital because it gave him access to the mortuary.
This is the level of depravity that we're talking about.
And one of the hardest things, I mean, you must have found it too, but one of the hardest things to get across over the years has been the level of evil we're dealing with.
Because people who don't interact with that level of evil as a matter of course, they somehow think from their own experience it can't exist, but it does.
That's so true.
And the reason why people think it doesn't exist because they don't have that insane, sick psychopathy that lives within them, that dark evil, that devoid of love and kindness and care.
They're the inversion, you know, embodied inversion of what the opposite to love is.
And people say, I can't believe it.
No, of course you can't.
And you could never bring to mind the horror that these people do.
But it's very difficult.
And I think we've done a great job today in like, you know, kind of dropping in and anchoring in the reality of the world that we're living in because it's time not to shy away from it.
It is time to face it.
I think there's a massive swathe of humanity that will get away with not truly understanding the depths of evil that we are all dealing with.
But there are many of us on the front lines, yourself as a major figure, that have dedicated ourselves to exposing everything with evidence, with physical proof, with receipts, etc.
What would you say is it inside of David Icke that drives him to sit 16 hours a day writing books?
Where does this come from?
What is the ultimate for you and why you're doing this?
Well, first of all, you get to understand how the world could be, because it's just a choice.
Perception, we can argue with each other and fight each other, or we can make a different choice and be in harmony with each other and respect each other, respect each other's right to have a different opinion.
It's just a choice.
So you know how the world could be.
You know how the world could be if we stopped self-identifying as being a human and self-identifying just with the human body, which is a vehicle, and started to self-identify as the consciousness that's having the experience, the eternal level of consciousness.
It would be an extraordinarily different world.
But also, of course, you're motivated by the more that you uncover that's going on and you uncover where it's planned to go, the more urgently you're seeking to warn people about it.
And I will still be doing it the day I keel over, which won't be soon.
I've got too much to do and I wouldn't give them the satisfaction.
But the motivation comes from simply wanting to make a difference so that what's going on doesn't go on anymore.
And, you know, I think you mentioned when Kathy was here about people that come in and then claim that information that they haven't researched, but they've taken from other people and they claim to be their own and all that stuff.
During this 36 years, as it is now, that I've been doing this, I've seen so many people come and go.
They've been flavor of the month in this arena for a short while, maybe sometimes a bit longer, and then they disappear.
And they say things like, oh, you know, I can't do it anymore.
I'm getting this abuse or whatever.
I'm going to spend more time with my family, as the politicians say.
And I don't, I can see why they do that because they're not fully, fully, fully committed.
But when you are fully committed, it's very difficult to comprehend that you can know at least some level of the horrors that are going on and that you can walk away from it.
I do not understand it.
I mean, once I realized what was going on in the early 1990s, there was absolutely no walking away from it, no matter what the scale of ridicule or abuse.
Because if you do, you just let it go on unchallenged.
And what's happened, of course, now is not least because a lot of people began to awaken to a different world as a result of the COVID hoax.
But what I'm finding, I don't know whether you are, I'm pretty sure you will be, is that when I'm talking about the really far out stuff, when I was talking about it at the time, you got instant ridicule and instant laughter.
Ridiculous.
What's he talking about?
But what I'm finding now is it's the far out stuff that get the biggest interest that people are beginning to break through these walls of programmed sense of normal and seeing that actually the world is not just a little bit not like they thought it was.
It's absolutely nothing like they thought it was.
And, you know, what I'm talking about in the roadmap is a scale of human control that goes way beyond, way beyond your Donald Trumps and your people like that.
I mean, they're just the gopher playout level.
The real scale of human control is vast and it goes into other dimensions of reality and non-human force, a non-human force and non-human entities.
But what you find is the more you see the scale and panorama of human control, that's where you see what the answers are.
Because if you're only seeing it on the political level, which so many people are, and I say there's been a hijack of the alternative media, particularly since COVID, which has regressed it really to focus only on the political level.
And Trump's been a wonderful act in support of that.
But if you see it only at that level, then where are the answers?
Voting for Trump?
Oh, no, he's not doing what he said he'd do.
Oh, we're going to vote for the Democrat this time.
Oh, look at Starmer.
I'm not voting for Labour.
Next time we're going to vote for reform.
And then you find, oh, but they're basically doing the same.
So how do I get rid of party B now?
Well, you have to vote for party A again.
And round it goes while they move the direction of travel onwards to greater and greater dystopia.
So you're not going to find answers in the myopia because it's the myopia.
You're going to find answers where it's coming from and the scale and nature of human control beyond the obvious political level.
That's where you're going to find the answers of how to bring this house of cards down because it is a house of cards and the people holding it up are us.
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David Icke, thank you so much.
Please hold on for one second.
And to the audience, oh my God, I know, right?
David Icke's on the channel.
Woohoo!
Yeah, gonna pick it up because I'm excited and I don't care about showing it.
And again, if you want to see him live on stage with Kathy O'Brien and the other best speakers on the planet, September 10th, 11th and 12th, I'll put details underneath.
Until then, my name is Danny Henderson.
As always, I do send love from my heart to yours and we'll see you soon.
Thank you, David Ike.
No problem.
Pleasure.
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