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In the wake of the Jimmy Sabell revelations, the mainstream media started taking a bit more interest in these things.
And a guy called Steve Masham was interviewed on the Newsnight BBC Current Affairs show.
And it was circulated, I remember it, it was circulated during the evening, that in this interview, Newsnight was going to name a famous guy who was accused of pedophilia.
Well, I watched that interview that night and he didn't name him.
They cut that bit out.
So speculation started on who it could be, and the name came up of Lord McAlpine, this Thatcher aide.
And actually, Lord McAlpine had a collection of drawings and artwork of semi-naked children, which were the work of this artist who eventually, some way down the line, went to jail for paedophilia.
So you see this recurring theme everywhere that you look.
And so what then happened is McAlpine threatened to sue and did, some of them, anyone that linked him to paedophilia, even though he hadn't been named by them.
He said, you are indicating it was me.
And he won big payouts from independent television and from the BBC as a result of that.
And in the biggest secret, in 1998, that was published, I freaking named him as a paedophile.
And he never sued me at the time.
And when all this was going on, and people were kind of indicating it was him and there were payouts in libel actions, I was naming him as a paedophile.
And never came for me.
Even though you would think that would be a certainty, but no.
He was part of a series of revelations that involved a magazine called Scallywag.
I remember reading that magazine.
And Scallywag, that was eventually taken down by the Conservative Party, was naming names of these paedophiles and what have you in Britain.
And so what happened in the end is This Steve Masham, who was saying that he was abused by Lord McAlpine as a kid, he eventually, amid all the publicity at the time, retracted what he said.
And the reason he retracted it and the background to it is absolutely ridiculous.
McAlpine made his denial statement and suddenly Steve Masham retracted his decades-old claim that McAlpine was one of his abusers, a statement repeated only days earlier in part of that Newsnight interview that was not broadcast.
Newsnight then made a groveling apology for naming McAlpine when they hadn't actually named him and they'd taken it out of the interview.
And this is the reason that Steve Masham said that he'd retracted.
He said that the reason he recanted that night was on his not publicly mentioning the name of Lord McAlpine was that he was shown a picture by the police of McAlpine in the last hour when he realized it was not the man who abused him over and over and over decades.
ago.
So if we just kind of analyze this, it won't take long.
The explanation for why Mesham recanted is absolutely ridiculous.
We're asked to believe, I write here, that in the 15 to 20 years between Steve Mesham allegedly being shown the picture of Lord McAlpine by police and of him accusing McAlpine of sexually abusing him in a never broadcast part of the Newsnight interview,
Lord McAlpine was constantly in the news through that whole period.
He was constantly in the news, I remember it, because he was the Svengali for Margaret Thatcher.
He was a chairman of the Conservative Party.
He was on the telly all the time in the television news.
And we're being asked to believe that in all this period of 10 to 20, 15 to 20 years that Mesham had been saying I was abused by McAlpine, that he'd never seen a picture of McAlpine and said, oh, no, that wasn't the bloke.
It was only when he was shown a picture by the police after McAlpine's statement dismissing the claims.
And I say here, when I heard what Steve Mesham had said, I googled Lord Alastair McAlpine and up came a stream of pictures widely available way before in the last hour.
So it was a total cover-up and goodness knows what they said to Steve Mesham to make him do it.
And then there's another connection here to Margaret Thatcher and Peter Phelia.
And that's an MP for Chester in the northwest of England called Peter Morrison, who is, and he's not with us anymore, but he was a well-known, it now turns out, paedophile.
And he was a close aide, like McAlpine, to Margaret Thatcher.
And this was the same period that Thatcher and her husband, Dennis, were close friends of Jimmy Saville.
See how it comes together.
The prolific supplier of children for the rich and famous.
And once again, the same question must be asked about the Thatchers as about the royal family.
Do you mean the police and the security services wouldn't have told Margaret Thatcher what Savile was doing?
So this guy, Peter Morrison, who was MP for Chester and North Wales, where Mesham said he was abused by Lord McAlpine, is only 13 miles away from the place Wrexham where he said it happened.
And Rod Richards, former Conservative MP and leader of the Welsh Conservatives, said publicly that he had seen evidence connecting this guy, Peter Morrison, to the North Wales paedophile scandal that was alleged that McAlpine was involved in.
And Richards said, what I do know is that Morrison was a paedophile.
This is the close aide of Margaret Thatcher going back to the time that she was running for Conservative leader because he was involved in her campaign team, Peter Morrison.
And the guy said, and the reason I know that is because of the North Wales child abuse scandal.
And so then we have Margaret Thatcher, towards the end of her period in office, making Peter Morrison a close aide.
And he was a deputy chairman of the Conservative Party as well.
But this is something I came across.
And that is the diaries of a well-known former Conservative Party Thatcher minister called Edwina Curry.
And I managed to get hold of a copy of her diaries that were published much later.
But in those diaries, at the time all this was going on, she made the following entry.
One appointment in the recent reshuffle has attracted a lot of gossip and could be very dangerous, she wrote.
Peter Morrison has become the Prime Minister's, Margaret Thatcher's, parliamentary private secretary.
Now he's what they call a noted pedercast with a liking for young boys.
He admitted as much.
Wait for this.
He admitted as much to the Conservative Party chairman Norman Tebbit when he became the deputy chairman of the party, but added, quote, however, I'm very discreet.
And he must be, wrote Curry.
She, Thatcher, either knows and is taking a chance or doesn't, doesn't.
Either way, it's a really dumb move.
By then, Morrison had been a close aide to Thatcher for 15 years.
What does Curry mean?
Does Thatcher know?
And Edwina Curry says also in this diary entry, Conservative MP Theresa Gorman told me this evening in a taxi coming back from Drinks party at the BBC that she inherited Morrison's woman agent who claimed to have been offered money to keep quiet about his activities.
It scares me as all the press know.
And as we get closer to the election, someone is going to make trouble very close to her indeed.
And Edwina Curry never mentioned or explained why she didn't go to the police or the media to demand something was done about Morrison when everyone seemed to know.
And by the way, Edwina Currie, she was a health minister at one point with responsibility for the high security hospitals under the health secretary Kenneth Clark and appointed Jimmy Saville to run a task force at Broadmoor,
the prison, quote, hospital for the clinically insane, basically, which he exploited to abuse patients.
And every time there was an effort to expose all of this, it was jumped upon.
There was a guy called Geoffrey Dickens, he was Conservative MP, and he produced a dossier naming all these names in politics who were involved in paedophilia.
And a guy who was the Home Secretary called Leon Britton, as his own story, said that he never, he didn't act upon the contents and has no recollection of it, he said.
Andrea Davison's Scandal00:01:39
And that's funny because it was widely known what Dickens had found.
And this connects into a lady who I met in North Wales when I was investigating this in the 1990s called Andrea Davison.
And we were swapping notes in the 1990s.
It was at her home in North Wales, Anglesey, I think it was, when she was investigating the Peter Farr scandal herself.
She was connected into the intelligence services too.
And what they did with her is accuse her of a crime that actually never happened and which there were no victims.
And then she had to use her friends in the intelligence arena to get her out of the country.
And she went to South America to avoid being jailed for a crime that never happened.
And she talked about the North Wales Police and the Derbyshire Police raiding her home to remove files on child abuse, including what she'd been given by this guy, Jeffrey Dickens.
And she said, many of my documents and evidence was stolen by the police.
I'm reliably informed that they were worried in 2009 that because of Jimmy Saville, the VIP paedophile ring would be exposed and they made an effort to, as the Derby police put it,