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March 3, 2025 - David Icke

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The Global Spider Web - David Icke Joins Stew Peters

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	I mentioned David Icke.
	He spent the 2024 election cycle warning you, warning the masses that Donald Trump is a fraud, that he's a false messiah figure who, along with his surrogates, has convinced the American people to just let their guard down, buy into every single thing that he says.
	Rush to his defense.
	Stand up for him, even when it means screwing over your kids.
	It's a pathetic situation.
	More discussion on this.
	We're honored to have David Icke with us now.
	David, thank you so much for making the time for us.
	We appreciate you being here.
	It's a pleasure.
	What's going on in the world of American politics and abroad?
	Well, if we look at the big picture, I mean, I've been saying this now for such a long time.
	What you have is, you know, I started out in 1990 on this journey, coming up to my 36th year on it.
	And there was a time when a lot of people within this arena, which didn't exist when I started out, just a few disparate individuals, but they understood that we live in one-party states.
	And what's happened since COVID, the COVID hoax, is that a lot of people have come into this alternative arena from the mainstream, and they've basically regressed it, and some who were there before who bought it, they've regressed it into left-right politics.
	And once you fall into that idea, you've lost the plot.
	So if we look at...
	How this whole SIOP is working.
	First of all, I have this phrase, know the outcome and you'll see the journey.
	If you don't know what the outcome is planned to be, then you look at events in the world and they appear to be random and confusing and bewildering.
	Like, why did they do that?
	What's that happening there?
	Why are they doing that?
	But when you know what the outcome is planned to be, suddenly these apparently random events become very clear stepping stones to the outcome.
	And the big outcome, because the whole foundation of this global conspiracy is control of human perception.
	We behave as we do because we perceive as we do.
	So you get perception, you get behavior.
	You get response.
	And so we have what's called the left in politics, not the left that I remember, the woke left.
	And they are pretty much on board with what the real foundation outcome is planned to be.
	Everything else is detail.
	And that is a fusion between humans and artificial intelligence.
	So that artificial intelligence becomes the human mind.
	It becomes human thought and emotional response.
	And on top of that, the idea is to have an AI-controlled society and absolutely an AI-controlled government, which is why Musk wants to get rid of all these humans.
	And what's going to come along to replace them is artificial intelligence.
	So you have a situation where...
	The left, the woke left, was pretty much a gimme on all this.
	You know, their smartphones and all that stuff.
	So what you had is a problem with what has become known as the right, who basically were very sceptical of this whole global conspiracy and its AI component.
	And you need to get them on board.
	So how do you do that?
	Well, you, first of all, get a guy, Elon Musk, who I've been tracking for years and years and years, long before he was allowed to buy Twitter X. The reason I was tracking him is because I was looking at the agenda.
	Of this global cult, as I call it, and its various agencies and factions like the World Economic Forum.
	And his companies were ticking every box of that agenda.
	So were his public statements.
	And you think, whoa, this guy's really on board with this global agenda.
	And then he bought Twitter X. Now, because I've been tracking him for so long, I knew it was a scam.
	The question was, what's the nature of the scam?
	And it became very clear very quickly.
	And that could be seen by the sudden response to Musk of the alternative media, where they were sceptical of him.
	I remember there was a Dutch activist called Eva Blandingabrook who did a video in 2022. In which she's saying, basically, Elon Musk is not our friend.
	He's a transhumanist.
	He's pushing this AI agenda.
	Well, you look after he bought Twitter X at what Vlandingabrook says about him now.
	Basically, it's eulogies.
	And I saw this happen where because he's bought this Twitter X and he's allowed some people back.
	Suddenly, he's a free speech hero.
	And this has been promoted and promoted and promoted.
	Until we have a situation now, Stu, where what's called the alternative media, the mainstream of it, which gets all the algorithmic support and all the funding and promotion, has become nothing more than a Trump-Musk has become nothing more than a Trump-Musk propaganda office.
	Pouring out eulogies and anything they do, which is like off the story they would like to have, like, for instance, what is happening with Trump and the decisions he's making with regard to Israel, what is happening with Trump and the decisions he's making with regard to Israel, they just best But they'll just push and push and push all these things that...
	That we're seeing unfolding like machine gunfire through executive orders.
	And so basically what happened as a result of Musk acquiring, with Qatar and Saudi Arabia and P. Diddy, Twitter X, is that he's been given a free ride on all the things he's doing that are ticking the boxes of this global agenda, which this alternative media once said it opposed.
	And he's been allowed to basically get away with it.
	Same with Trump.
	So what I said in the weeks before Trump came to office is that what we're going to see when he comes to power is, again, machine gun fire, blitzkrieg of things that are going to be...
	Manipulating his natural base, Trump's natural base, Musk's natural base, to believe we're winning.
	And we hear this all the time.
	Whoa, we're winning!
	Look, Trump's doing this, Trump's doing that.
	The idea is to get his base to look over there, which is not too bloody difficult, I have to say, to look over there, while over here, the agenda for the AI control, complete control of society, moves on.
	And, you know, because we've reached a point now where the algorithmically promoted so-called fake so-called alternative media will not criticise these people.
	They won't call them out.
	And they can do no wrong.
	And therefore, while they're buying this, oh, we're winning.
	They're also saying nothing about the real agenda that's unfolding in the background, which is the rapid advancement towards this AI fusion, AI control of society.
	And even I was a bit surprised, Stu, at the speed in which Trump rolled out Ellison and Altman to push this Stargate thing.
	What I would say about this whole AI thing, too, is we have lost, for reasons I've discussed, we've lost this global perspective where you see apparent opponents, apparent enemies.
	They're actually not.
	They're just playing different roles in a global agenda.
	And so people, for instance, are like surprised, shocked even, that suddenly Zuckerberg's wheeled out at Mar-a-Lago, and Ellison's wheeled out, and Altman, and all these other people that have pushed Trump, like Mark Anderson, etc.
	Peter Thiel.
	And it's like, what's he bringing Zuckerberg in for?
	Why is he having dinner at Mar-a-Lago with Bill Gates?
	Because they're all on the same team.
	They're just playing different roles.
	And once you grasp that, suddenly the panorama of what's going on Becomes clear.
	And so we're seeing the gang that has played a role up to this point, the Zuckerbergs and the Bezos and the Gateses, of being kind of on one side and Trump and the MAGA on the other.
	Now we're seeing the gang come together.
	So do you think that Zuckerberg and Bezos and Trump and Musk are all working for the same people?
	Are they being compensated?
	Or having promises made to them in some way that puts them in this alliance or this team, if you will, to subvert individual liberty, freedom, Christianity, our country?
	I was on this case in the early 1990s.
	I started out looking at the fact that it became very clear very quickly that...
	The people that are supposed to be running the world aren't actually running it.
	They're just front men and women.
	And I got deeper and deeper into, okay, so what's behind it?
	And what I call the global cult, and this is why we have to keep the global perspective, and we have to put aside the idea of sides, because that's there to confuse us.
	And to let us take sides in a situation where the population is basically fighting and opposing itself when all of them are being pulled by the same strings.
	This global cult works like this.
	You have what I call the spider at the center of a web.
	If people could just imagine a spider's web around the planet.
	And at the center is this spider.
	Now, the spider level operates in the shadows.
	They're not people that put themselves on public display.
	They are deep, satanic, literally satanic secret society operatives.
	And I'm talking secret societies that are well beyond those that we actually ever hear about in the public arena.
	And then you come out from the spider.
	Still in the hidden.
	And you then start meeting the secret societies like the inner core of the Freemasons, not Bill and Joe down the lodge, the Knights Templar, the Knights of Malta, Opus Dei, and the inner core of the Jesuit order, and these Zionist networks.
	That operate in the hidden as well, obviously.
	And then you come out, and what's happening is the agenda for the world is coming out from the spider level, and it's coming through the hidden, and then it meets what I call the cusp area, the cusp part of the web.
	The cusp is where the hidden meets the scene.
	At the cusp, you've got the Bilderberg Group, the World Economic Forum, the Club of Rome, all these organizations that are around the Bilderberg Group, like the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, etc.
	And also at the cusp, you've got this absolute explosion.
	Of think tanks and non-governmental organizations, as they're called, many of them funded by Soros.
	And their job, the job of the cusp, is to take the agenda from the hidden and to play it out in the scene.
	And so you come into the part of the web that we live in every day, which involves things like the World Health Organization, Silicon Valley, Big Pharma.
	The corporate world, governments, government agencies, etc.
	The whole AI thing.
	And if you are observing the world of the scene without understanding the web and how it works, then you're going to see organizations that are apparently not connected.
	On one level, they're not, in the sense that the vast majority of people working for the World Health Organization are not part of this.
	They're just doing what they're bloody told and playing out what they're told to play out.
	Same with a lot of people in these other organizations that drive the direction of the world.
	The point is, because it's all compartmentalized, fiercely compartmentalized.
	Secret societies, of course, are compartmentalized.
	Most Freemasons in the world are on the bottom three level of degrees, the blue degrees.
	They don't get any bloody high.
	So it's all compartmentalized on the basis of you only need to know what you need to know to play your part in something often you do not even know you're playing a part.
	But if you go deep enough into Silicon Valley, the Facebooks and the Twitters and the...
	The Amazons and the Googles and the YouTubes, etc.
	And you go deep enough into the World Health Organization and Big Pharma and so on, and governments and government agencies, you meet that point in the organization which attaches to this web in full knowledge of what's going on.
	And so if you see that You then realise why certain things happen which appear bewildering.
	For example, when the COVID hoax was played, for reasons that bewildered people, people like Facebook and, of course, YouTube and all these other organisations started censoring right at the start.
	On the basis of anyone who was challenging and questioning the World Health Organization version of COVID. And so it's like you're supposed to be the town square.
	You're supposed to be the place where we share opinions.
	What are you doing?
	But when you realize that if you go deep enough into Facebook and YouTube and all these others, and deep enough into the World Health Organization, You meet that level where they're all operating on behalf of this web and pushing the web's agenda.
	So what you have in the situation I've described is this arm of the web, Silicon Valley, defending the narrative of this arm of the web, the World Health Organization, so that people do not get the information they need to make a...
	Proper, balanced decision on what's going on.
	And so you then come to Big Pharma.
	And Big Pharma, again, if you go deep enough in the Big Pharma web, you are going to hit this global cult web.
	What about the people?
	Where do they come into the equation?
	I mean, people have to understand, like, I've heard nothing about this shot.
	You know, where did this pandemic come from?
	So there was clearly an erosion of independent and critical thinking.
	Do these people rely on the stupidity or gullibility of the American public or, you know, civilizations throughout the West?
	I mean, how are people so ignorant to all of this?
	That's what's frustrating for me.
	Well, yes, they do.
	And they also work very hard and incessantly.
	To keep people ignorant.
	You see, we live in two worlds within one world.
	There's the world of the cult.
	And that operates, what the cult is, is a network of global secret societies, the fiercely compartmentalized.
	And the inner core of that passes through the generations outside of the public arena.
	The agenda that's being pursued, total human population control, and also about the nature of reality itself.
	Because if you understand the nature of reality, which is very different to how we experience it, and you keep the public in ignorance of the nature of reality, then you are, by that alone, in a fantastic...
	Because you can do things in terms of manipulation which the population think are not possible because they think this whole world is as they experience it, and it's not.
	So you've got this cult that passes over this advanced knowledge only to the chosen.
	Like I say, not Bill and Joe down the lodge.
	And then...
	The same cult through people like the Rockefeller family in America, for instance, but so many others, the Rothschilds and so on.
	They have created and controlled the sources of information that the population receive.
	So, for instance, they created and in the end totally took over the mainstream media.
	And since this hijack of the alternative media, they've repackaged that, the central core, as I talk about, as the new media when it's the old media in another guise.
	This, I think, is more dangerous than the enemy itself.
	Are those that are working on behalf of the enemy, are they selling out?
	Are they afraid?
	Have they been blackmailed?
	What's going on?
	With people like Alex Jones, for example.
	Well, I have no idea about Alex Jones.
	I mean, you know, I've been on his show a few times over many years, but two or three times a year.
	I've only ever met him once.
	That was at the Bilderberg meeting protest in England.
	I think it was in 2010, something like that.
	And there's many things that I've not agreed with Alex Jones on over the years.
	But he has put stuff out that needs to be circulating.
	But what's happened to him now, I mean, he looks different for a start, but what's happened now is unbelievable.
	I don't know how Alex wakes up in the morning and looks in the mirror.
	Has he stopped shaving or what?
	And given the fact that here we have people who railed against the conspiracy and the...
	Conspiracy to enslave humanity on a global scale, who are now basically little puppy dogs begging for a bone.
	It's absolutely pathetic, but it fits, Stuart, what I was talking about earlier, about the fact that the people they had to bring on board to bypass any pushback on the AI agenda were What were before called the alternative media.
	And so you control the mainstream media because what you're doing, what is control of communication about?
	It's control of perception.
	They want you to think the way they want you to think by feeding you the information to make you think that way.
	This is what censorship's about.
	Censorship is just...
	Stopping the flow and communication of information that would give people a different fix on the world and world events.
	They don't want that.
	They want their fix.
	So they want to control information.
	So you had a, quote, alternative arena that understandably and rightly had become totally and utterly sceptical.
	About the mainstream media.
	So the mainstream media was not going to be your vehicle for hijacking the perceptions, hijacking the minds of this target to bring them on board.
	So you had to create something else.
	During the COVID hoax, I was involved in...
	Many, many protests in London, which started out with just a few people who were picked off by the police and then ended up literally with 100,000 people walking through the streets of London with the police on both sides of the street just standing there watching us walk past because there was just too many of us, nothing they could do.
	And I thought at that time, we've got a bloody chance here.
	Because people had...
	It was almost like a spiritual experience, those protests, because people had put down the fault lines that normally divide them and focused on a common threat, which was what was happening in terms of the fascist imposition of the COVID regulations.
	And then what I did was see...
	These people coming out of the mainstream into the so-called alternative arena and taking it over.
	And I'll tell you, I contacted Alex Jones in an email via his producer.
	It must have been the best part of two years ago now.
	And I said to him, have you seen what's happening?
	The alternative media is being hijacked by these people.
	And that, you know, if they were pushing on and advancing knowledge, then all right, fine.
	But they weren't.
	They were here, but no further people.
	Here, no further.
	So they're focusing attention.
	This is the conspiracy here.
	It's not here.
	Don't look there.
	It's here.
	There you go.
	Gotcha.
	There you go.
	Look.
	And I had an email back from his producer saying that, yeah, he saw that, but he didn't know what to do about it.
	So I said to his producer, tell him to give me a call and we'll knock it around, see how we can respond to this.
	Well, I never got a call.
	And the next thing I know is he's interviewing people who I named that were taking it over.
	And this has gone on, and this has gone on, and this has gone on.
	And it's now got to the point where it's not laughable because it's not funny, but it almost is in the sense of the extreme of on-your-knees-with-your-tong-out subservience to the very force That now manifesting through Trump and Musk,
	etc., that you claim to have railed against all these years.
	And this is a common thing, which I'm sure you will have seen.
	Again and again, I see what I call the mainstream alternative media, the hijack part of it, coming out with breaking news, breaking news!
	Whoa!
	Bombshell!
	And I'm thinking that was in my books in the 1990s, mate.
	You know, but it's here and no further.
	You know, we want you to think that we are exposing the conspiracy, but only here.
	And I call them the barricade brigade.
	It's like they've built a barricade around basically politics.
	And right-wing politics as against left-wing politics.
	Again, the whole idea of the one-party state has been regressed into the left-right puppet show.
	Yeah, it's a tactic that's used very often to capitalize on the short memory or attention span of the consuming and digesting public.
	And so a lot of people don't realize how drastic this is.
	And when you said that it was...
	Almost comical, but not really because it's not funny.
	You guys put the still of that clip that I was playing earlier.
	Put that back up there.
	This is really...
	I mean, watch the drastic shift here.
	Air that.
	Go ahead.
	Play that clip.
	You've got to set your eye on the enemy.
	Not worry about what propaganda they put out.
	You're the enemy.
	You're the scum.
	You're the filth.
	You're the murderers.
	You're going down.
	We're never stopping.
	Hell or high water.
	We're going over the top.
	and you're never gonna stop it.
	You understand that?
	That's what I'm talking about and that's what they're scared of is that spirit. - I'd love to go to Israel.
	I mean, how historical is that?
	But I just can't deal with the...
	Alex Jones is, you know, going to Israel to get his orders, whatever.
	It's just like, I mean, I would love to touch the Wailing Wall.
	Well, the question that comes from the...
	Extraordinary transformation is, do they have something on him or what?
	Because he's gone from opposing this global conspiracy for mass human control to promoting the very people who are involved in doing it with different rhetoric.
	And with different excuses, but the direction is the same.
	And it's the same with all of these people.
	The barricade brigade, they are cheerleaders for the very force now manifesting in a different way through different people that they claim to oppose.
	And it's extraordinary.
	And, you know, I have this phrase, it's okay when we do it.
	And again and again, I'm seeing this alternative media, which would have been in fury had the Democrats done this or done that or done this and said that and promoted this guy or whatever.
	But when Trump and Musk do it, then they break out in a mass applause.
	It's OK when we do it, but it's not.
	You see, what I've been doing this last, I'm coming into my 36th year now of full-time research into this, is simply wanting to know what the hell's going on.
	I have no political ideology angle from that sense.
	I don't, not right or left or these labels they give you.
	And I don't come from a religious angle.
	And therefore, I'm simply looking at information and seeing where it leads me.
	And this is not what is happening with this hijacked alternative media.
	They are passing it through everything through the filter.
	Or is this good for Trump and Musk or is it not?
	And if it's not, they don't talk about it or they'll spin it in some ridiculous way.
	And, you know, what's happening with these executive orders is that they are, again, machine gun firing them in all directions.
	And it's complete bewilderment and confusion that they're creating.
	And behind that, they're pushing this agenda.
	I mean, where in the election campaign did Trump talk about taking control of Greenland?
	I mean, you know, people have got to realize...
	Or Canada.
	Canada, yeah, exactly, the 51st state.
	So people have got to realize that we are looking at what's unfolded in literally...
	Days since he took office.
	Now, there's another four years.
	Now imagine, because it's going to get more extreme, that's what the plan is all about.
	Just imagine where this crowd is going to take the United States and the wider world in the next four years.
	It's extraordinary what's going on, and it's being missed by the Trump-supporting core because they'll have nothing said against him.
	Now, when you're coming from where I am and have been all these years, is you look at your Biden-Harris and you look at your Trump-must-vance and you research and you make judgments.
	On whether they are pushing this agenda or whether they're pushing against it.
	You don't do it on the basis of they're bad, they're good, so they can do no wrong.
	And they're all bad.
	It's all them.
	It's all the Democrats.
	You look at it dispassionately on the actions.
	I keep saying to people, don't listen to the words.
	They're easy.
	Watch the outcomes.
	The outcomes tell you where it's going, not the words.
	And so you have a situation where you don't have dispassionate research going on at this core.
	You have this good, that bad.
	Therefore, the alternative media central core becomes simply a propaganda arm of this wing of the same cult that controls the Democrats.
	And if you don't reach that point where you are looking at it dispassionately right across the spectrum, then you're never going to understand what's going on and not see, and this is so important, that it's a global agenda and it's theatre.
	There's a left part of the theatre and there's a right part of the theatre.
	And they're all moving in the same direction, but they're targeting different mentalities.
	So the left will target the woke mentality and what have you, and the right will target what used to be the pushbackers to bring them on board with the same direction that the woke left is going in.
	It's really dangerous.
	It really is.
	You have one more?
	That's fine.
	If you have one more, we can do that.
	But I've got to move on away from this.
	But the crew wants you to see this.
	Hang on one second.
	My point is that I'm not Jewish.
	I'm going to stop you right there.
	I am Jewish.
	So the flip-flopping.
	You mentioned, actually, and we're going to get to this.
	Do you mind hanging out for one more segment with us, Mr. Ike?
	No problem.
	Okay.
	David Icke mentioned something about the Miriam Adelson, obviously.
	This is right out in the wide open.
	She purchased for $100 million this Trump administration.
	And it's our perspective that this couldn't be more perfect timing.
	And that this isn't something that's just new.
	These installations didn't just start happening in the Trump era.
	It's our opinion that these things have been happening for a very long time.
	It's all theater.
	As David says, it's all theater.
	It's all fake.
	These are installations, and they're meant as part of this screenplay that gets people amped up, to give them the illusion of this two-party representative constitutional republic.
	We talk about Republicans and Democrats.
	It's fake.
	We talk about the left and the right.
	It's fake.
	Conservatives and liberals.
	It's fake.
	Own the libs.
	It's fake.
	It's all fake.
	It's one enemy that is seeking after the destruction.
	Of all of your individual liberties and freedoms and the ability to love and the nuclear family structure, this is an attack that goes so much deeper than right and left.
	And here we are in this little snow globe, in this little ant farm, just running around, doing what the media tells us, just fighting against each other.
	We're polarized on every single issue, whether it's transgenderism or race issues or religion issues.
	You know, it's all so polarized and we're all so divided, and that's the whole point.
	To keep us at each other's throats while behind the curtain, the man is grabbing hold of the levers of power that will ultimately end up enslaving you, imprisoning you digitally, virtually, financially, and yes, probably physically, as people cheer it on.
	Well, you know, I've been targeted by...
	People like the Anti-Defamation League and others around the world.
	Since 1995, when I started, again, go back to what I said earlier.
	All I'm doing is looking at the evidence and doing the research and seeing where it takes me.
	And it took me...
	In the 1990s, the mid-1990s, very clearly to the fact that Israel has phenomenal influence on the world compared with its, as Trump has been talking about in the last few days, its tiny size.
	So that immediately tells you there's something to look at here.
	And then when I started getting targeted for...
	Factual information, as in being anti-Semitic, which is a big misnomer, of course, the idea of all that is, as I talked about before, with censorship in general, it's to stop you having access to information.
	That would get you to see a situation in a different light to the one that you're being told to see it in.
	And so the whole anti-Semitic thing is a barrier, a block, to understanding the true, extraordinary nature of Israeli Mossad government.
	In my books, I've detailed not Republican presidents or Democrat presidents, but all of them in the ratio of Israel firsts in their administrations, and it's absolutely fantastic.
	Obviously, in America, And in Israel, you've got the biggest concentration of Jewish people.
	But it's still only 2% of Americans.
	And yet the ratio of people in positions of power under Democrat and Republican is breathtaking.
	And if it, you know, now look at the Trump government, the Trump cabinet, it's awash with Israel fanatics.
	Yeah.
	And you can say the same thing about Indians.
	Feather, not dot.
	They represent roughly the same population size, percentage-wise, here in the United States.
	But I don't see a bunch of Native Americans in the government.
	As a matter of fact, I don't see them walking around on the street.
	You run into a Jew behind every tree, behind every street post.
	there's a Jew somewhere controlling some unelected bureaucracy.
	They're in the cabinet.
	They're in the administration.
	They're at the State Department deciding how many children we go and drop bombs on today.
	Where do they come up with this?
	Where did this come from?
	Why do they have this overrepresentation?
	How do they have their hands so soldered to the levers of power?
	Well, I would say it's even smaller than it appears.
	Because, you know, I don't kind of talk about it's the Jews.
	Because there are many various perceptions that different Jewish people have.
	I think there are basically three groups.
	There's the inner core, and this is all the people around Netanyahu and all the other people like him going back to 1948 and beyond, takes you into the Rothschilds and the The British Balfour Declaration,
	of course, which set the scene for the takeover of Palestine to become Israel on the basis of Old Testament texts.
	And they are, a lot of those, that central core, they are just using...
	Jewish people as a front and also as a defensive mechanism, because when you start, and I know this from my own experience, when you start uncovering this inner core that is driving this whole agenda, then they say you're not just talking about them like the Rothschilds, for instance.
	You're saying all Jewish people are involved in it.
	No, I'm not saying that at all.
	That's ridiculous.
	So you've got that inner core.
	They're the drivers.
	And that's who these people in positions of power in America answer to.
	And it's, you know, one of the things that's become very, very clear is that this global cult is run on a reign of terror.
	Yeah, I'm not saying that it's all the Jews either, Mr. Ike.
	But what I am saying is that when you look at all of these people, they all happen to be Jewish.
	Yeah.
	But what I'm saying is there are different levels of it.
	So the biggest level of it is the fact that because this central inner core controls Israel, controls everything to do with Jewishness in terms of its mainstream, from the very earliest ages, Jewish children are...
	Indoctrinated and, well, mind-controlled into believing often that they are somehow the chosen people and also that the world is against them and hates them.
	I remember seeing a documentary, a Jewish guy did this documentary some years ago, I've never been able to find it on the internet since, where he's looking at this indoctrination in Israel.
	And I remember him talking to a young girl.
	She must have been, I don't know, 17, 18. And I remember her saying, we know the world hates us.
	Well, actually, most of the world doesn't hate it.
	But if you can indoctrinate people into believing that, and this is what happens.
	Then you look to your authority, you look to your government to protect you from what you have been told to fear.
	And the indoctrination of we're the special ones, if you buy that, also mean that you look upon people like Palestinians as like non-human, like vermin.
	And then you've got another group of Jewish people, and I know many of them.
	Who don't buy any of it and push back against it.
	But what's driving it is this inner core which orchestrates it all.
	And, you know, if you're in government in the Biden administration, of course, one after the other and Trump, et cetera, and a barber before him, then...
	You don't say no.
	You're put in these positions of power.
	You don't say no when the power that puts you there says this is what you're going to do.
	You do it.
	And so it's a reign of terror.
	And people like Netanyahu are on this inner core.
	And of course, as I think you've said many times, Netanyahu is not a Semite.
	He comes out of Poland, where his father came out.
	Nielkowski.
	Yeah.
	And so what they've basically done, I go into this in my books in detail, they've hijacked the whole idea of Judaism.
	I think some people call them crypto-Jews.
	They've hijacked it.
	And as I've said many, many times, no one needs to understand what's going on more than Jewish people in general, because they're being played.
	That's right, and they've hijacked it for the single purpose, explicitly for the purpose of being protected by these anti-Semitism laws, and you're not allowed to criticize our greatest ally, and that these are God's chosen people.
	How narcissistic is that, by the way?
	We're chosen by God to annex all of this land, to steal what doesn't belong to us, to enslave everybody who doesn't claim to be a Jew, or to kill them and just execute them.
	How narcissistic is that?
	Yeah, we're going to go find some red calves, and we're going to slaughter them on this altar, and then we're going to burn them and play them.
	That's an interesting point, because it's something that lets you get a grasp of what's going on.
	One of the things that they're doing is using biblical Old Testament prophecy, making it happen.
	2.4 billion some odd people who identify as Christians.
	So they kind of support it.
	"Oh, this is God.
	This is prophesies in the Bible." No, no!
	This inner core is making it happen.
	So bowing to the Jew has become a religious sacrament that Christians will die for.
	So what you have, if you look at current events, this biblical prophecy and And people like the Defense Secretary and Huckabee, the Trump Israeli ambassador, openly talking about this, so have others in the Trump administration.
	The idea is to demolish the Alaska Mosque on what Jews and Christians call Temple Mount and in its place rebuild.
	The third, quote, Solomon's temple.
	Now, if you'd have said that a few years ago, people would have gone, you're insane.
	Can you imagine the Palestinian response to that?
	And it would be like catastrophic war.
	Now look at the situation now.
	You've got the West Bank, which is about to be annexed with Trump's approval and support.
	And the settlers, which he has stopped the sanctions against, are stealing more land.
	The army's in the West Bank now during this fake ceasefire.
	And more and more land is being taken.
	So that's going.
	Gaza is a demolition site.
	So you look now at the military dominance of Israel over the Palestinians with American support, and then you've got the idea that Trump has been playing about moving the Palestinians out to Jordan and to Egypt.
	And suddenly this...
	Demolishing the mosque and building the Solomon's Temple becomes...
	It's mainstream.
	It becomes suddenly very possible.
	And so you've got this situation where so many Christians that believe it's God making it happen who are supporting all this.
	And that's in part why it's happening.
	And, you know, in the Trump administration, Israel is going to be center stage, obviously.
	And where it's going, it doesn't really bear thinking about.
	So at this point, it is clear to say that Israel controls our foreign policy.
	Benjamin Netanyahu is the de facto president of the United States, and nobody has more power, politically speaking, in this country than he does.
	I think that has been the case for a very, very long time.
	I wrote a book called The Trigger, which is about 9-11.
	And it's a big book.
	I took a long time researching it.
	And the first half of the book takes apart the official story of 9-11, which a child could do, really.
	And the second half of the book...
	Looks at who was really behind it.
	And Israel is every bloody way.
	Everywhere.
	And so the scale of control of American society is fundamental out of Israel.
	And it's something that this Anti-Semitic censorship is there to stop coming out.
	One other thing I'd like to mention, this is a bit of a different way of looking at things.
	We talked earlier about theatre and how it's all theatre.
	It is.
	The point is, how deep does the theatre go?
	How deep?
	Does the control really go that plays out the theatre?
	Now, Trump came in in 2016, and he had four years.
	Had Trump won the next election, he'd be now done in terms of his ability to be present.
	But...
	The focus year of this global cult, one of the big focus years, to have this AI control and all this other control really, really in place is 2030. They want so much in place by then.
	Now, if the Democrat had come in After two terms of Trump, in this period running up to 2030, there would be massive pushback against them when they were pushing the same agenda that Trump's pushing now, because that's the agenda.
	That's what would happen.
	There'd be tremendous pushback.
	All these people now who are eulogizing Trump and Musk would have been screaming from the rooftops.
	Look, this is the transhumanism.
	This is coming in.
	It's the Democrats.
	But what's happened is because Trump didn't win the last election, but won this one, he's the one in this period now, basically in the run-up to 2030, that allows this agenda to unfold.
	Without the pushback there would have been before.
	And I don't think that's an accident.
	And I would say that, you know, from coming up to 36 years now of research into all this full time, the depth of control is beyond what most people believe even today.
	What about the solutions?
	What about remedy to all of this?
	I mean, is this just a big black pill?
	We're never going to get our country back.
	We're never going to get our sovereignty back.
	Like, this is it?
	Well, this is something, you know, I see when I post things on Twitter X. People say, oh, Wes, you never talk about solutions.
	I've talked about solutions for 35 bloody years.
	And it all comes down in the end to this.
	What they are trying to do all the time is manipulate us to give our collective power away to them.
	So for a long time, you had royalty and rule by royal ascension and bloodline, still ruled by bloodline to a large extent, but openly then.
	And there came a point.
	Eventually.
	And what that was, was the king or the queen was dictating to the entire population.
	And then eventually humanity grew up, matured enough to reject that.
	We still have a king in Britain, bizarrely, in 2025. But most of the world got rid of all that.
	So what happened is that this global cult that goes way back into antiquity and has gathered more power as we moved into the modern world, it had to find another way of controlling people and, crucially, getting them to give their power to them.
	So they came up with politics and political parties.
	And political parties are pyramids.
	You've got a few at the top that dictate the nature and the rules, regulations and policies of the party.
	And the inner core of both parties are actually, again, attached to this cult.
	The cult's running the show.
	All over the world, it's running the two-party state as a one-party state.
	So what that was about, and a wonderful example now with Trump, is another way of getting you to give your power to them.
	So here we have, in 2025, one man, Donald Trump, sitting at his desk, signing these executive orders, and transforming American society.
	And he's one bloke.
	350 million, at least, Americans are having their lives dictated by one bloke signing these executive orders.
	I remember a Clinton aide talking about executive orders years ago, and he said, oh, they're great.
	Swish of the pen, law of the land.
	You know, it's a dictatorship.
	And what happens with, I mean, people talk about technocracy.
	Technocracy is coming.
	I agree.
	But to a large extent, America is already a technocracy because you elect, at least in theory, the president.
	And then he fills the positions of state with whoever he chooses to have them.
	And they're not elected.
	Most of them are not seeing a ballot box in their life.
	Elon Musk, I rest my case.
	And so what you have now, as before, although it's hidden by democracy, is the population giving their power away to a tiny few people that represent this cult, whether it's Democrat or Republican.
	And what would happen...
	Say, I don't know what it was, 75 million people voted for Trump this time around in other elections.
	What if those 75 million people, of the 350 million people, ceased to cooperate with their own enslavement?
	Simply would not obey authority when it was...
	Clearly targeting their freedom and targeting their enslavement.
	It would be impossible.
	I mean, you know, again, you come back to this point I made earlier about the marches in London during COVID. A few at the start were picked off and arrested by the police.
	In the end, there's so bloody many, the police are watching this go past.
	They can't cope because we weren't cooperating.
	In vast numbers.
	And what they do all the time, and this is part of what politics is about and other divide mechanisms are about, it's dividing and ruling the population by getting them to go to war with each other.
	And while they're all fighting each other over this or that or the other, then they're not looking up and seeing the same hand holding the strings of both sides.
	And what we need to do, I would suggest, is take a bloody breath, put aside what we don't agree on, and realize that, as happened during COVID for a short time, and it was fantastic in London, is focus on the common threat and...
	What they do by manipulating perception and signs is that they get you to believe they're the common threat and get them to believe they're the common threat, and there you have the divide and rule.
	And people say, well, you know, you can't stop human nature and all that.
	Okay.
	All right.
	Well, enslavement's coming, then.
	Oh, don't, you know, mess about.
	Pussyfoot around.
	If we go on as we are, being divided and ruled and pulled to give our minds away, our perceptions away, to an external force, which is what is happening, then what this cult wants, this cult will get.
	And, you know, when you look at human history, look at it.
	What's the common theme of human history?
	The few have always controlled the many.
	Always!
	And therefore, that's why the few, the elites as they've become known, run the show.
	Why?
	Because the population in its vastness gives its power away to authority, not least through fear of not obeying authority.
	It starts early in life.
	I mean, it starts right when you walk into a kindergarten classroom.
	One teacher rules 30 children.
	Happens in society.
	The police, several hundred of them control thousands, hundreds of thousands, even millions of people.
	That's exactly right.
	And, you know, when you look at society from this perspective, you can see the preparation.
	Starting from a very, very, very early age, the earliest age.
	So you come out of the womb and your parents are the authority.
	OK, that needs to happen because, you know, you're very, bloody helpless.
	But that authority continues.
	So you go to school and suddenly you're sitting at a desk and an authority figure representing the state.
	He's telling you when you have to be there, when you can go home, when you can talk, when you can go to the toilet, when you can eat, all of it.
	And you learn very early on that if you push back against that, there are consequences.
	If you go along with it and obey authority, well, it's, on the face of it, easier.
	And this goes on all the way through your formative years.
	And they are preparing, perceptually, What if you just don't give them jurisdiction over you?
	Exactly.
	Be ungovernable.
	Exactly.
	Let's come together, realize that there's a common threat here, and it goes through right and left, and simply refuse to cooperate with our own enslavement and the enslavement of our kids.
	But to do that, you've got to get informed.
	And to get informed, you've got to take a step back from the puppet show and the diversions, and you've got to dispassionately look at what is happening and understand what is happening and the nature, so important, of the perceptual techniques that are employed upon us.
	Because I go into them in my books in great detail.
	The perceptual techniques are what the conspiracy is, basically.
	I mean, you look at the people that are eulogizing Trump.
	Why are they doing that?
	Because their perceptions have been captured to do that.
	And it's the same with all these different belief systems.
	Your perceptions are captured.
	They play one captured belief system off against a different captured belief system to divide and rule.
	We've just got to take a step back, take a deep breath, and look at this whole society again and realize that it's not that side being played.
	We're all being bloody played, but it's possible not to be if you get informed in a dispassionate way, not attached to this belief system or attached to that belief system.
	But just look at it in its totality.
	And you'll see that the world you thought you were living in is nothing like the one that we're living in.
	And like I said earlier, you've got this cult that passes on this advanced knowledge through the secret society at the inner core network.
	And the same cult has set up the human society.
	It's set up the governments.
	It's set up the education system, which is a programming system.
	It's set the whole thing up to keep you in ignorance of what they know.
	And so when people come along, like me and you and others, and say, actually, we've uncovered what they know.
	This is what is happening.
	Of course, the vast majority of people...
	It's just too outside of their program belief system to think that could be going on.
	They'd never do that, and all lines such like.
	But we've got to open our minds and realize that the world is nothing like we think it is.
	In fact, it's nothing like even most people in the conspiracy arena think it is.
	Well, the enemy is doing a really good job at shifting the Overton window as well, as far as our ideological core beliefs, our foundation of morality, and they're allowing the unthinkable to become mainstream.
	They would never do this to us, and then they do it.
	And it just becomes more and more mainstream and more and more people accept this methodical sexualization of our children, the trafficking of our children, the harvesting of children's organs, going and fighting wars and dying in other countries at the behest of some other arbitrary, you know, construct drawn on a map in May 14th, 1948, for example, or another one, Ukraine, just arbitrarily drawn on a map in 1991, sending billions of dollars.
	We would never do that.
	Of course they would.
	And they're doing it.
	So they're doing a really good job of shifting that belief system.
	But I believe also, too, that because of these occurrences combined with voices like yours and the voices of this network...
	The Overton window is shifting in the other direction and saying, yeah, you know what, these people are doing this to us and to our children, and we've got to stop it.
	A minute left, final words.
	Yeah, you mentioned wars.
	Classic.
	What is a war?
	It's a tiny elite in this country telling its masses to fight this country.
	And in this country they're fighting, a tiny elite is telling its masses to fight that country.
	And the two elites never see a gun fired in anger.
	What is that?
	That is perceptual control, and it's the fear of not obeying authority that makes these two masses fight each other.
	And war, of course, is the classic divide and rule.
	So in the end, because it's a perceptual conspiracy, Control how people see the world and themselves, and therefore they'll behave in sync with that.
	Taking our perceptions back and ceasing to have our thoughts and beliefs manipulated is fundamental to stopping this.
	And also, I would say this, you know, people think that disobeying authority Is a kind of a scary thing.
	Okay, I do understand that.
	I mean, I don't give a damn.
	I'm in my 70s now.
	So I'm coming up 73. I don't give a damn.
	And I've been giving a damn for a long time.
	But what I would say is this.
	If you think it's scary now to disobey authority, stick around and see how scary it is if we don't disobey authority and allow it to come.
	Something very strange happened on our end with your audio as you were finishing that statement up.
	And so I'd like for you to say it again.
	Yeah.
	What I'm saying is that people think it's scary.
	I do understand that.
	To disobey authority.
	Because they've been programmed.
	Oh, you can't disobey authority.
	But...
	If they think it's scary to do that, they should stick around.
	Because if we don't do that and go on as we are, if you think it's scary now, it's nothing as what is coming.
	Because if we don't start disobeying authority, if we don't stop cooperating with our own enslavement...
	What this cult wants to come, and it's horrific, will come.
	And if we look back from that perspective and say, I wish I'd have disobeyed when I had the chance.
	Well, do it now, because if you don't, that's what's coming.
	It's going to be parents looking at their kids behind bars or on their way to their own slaughter who say, I should have not been complacent.
	I should have acted.
	I should have stepped out of my comfort zone.
	I should not have been apathetic.
	And if you looked at generations that came before you, Mr. Ike, generations that came before my generation, generations that came before our kids, they would say, if they looked at today, they would say, I wish.
	I would have not been.
	They would not recognize our society.
	They would not recognize our country.
	And if you would have told them then where we are now and said, hey, this is where we're going.
	We're going to have men chopping off their genitalia, pretending that they're women and believing that they are.
	And that class of mentally ill people, no, no, no, we're not reopening insane asylums for them.
	We're going to protect them.
	We're going to show our children the importance of transgenderism.
	We're going to do it at times of war while we teach it to passion tribesmen and look the other way while these warlords rape little boys.
	We're going to drop bombs on innocent people.
	We're going to fund the creation of AI which will replace humans.
	They would have been scared to death that that would be a reality.
	And so it's all relative because now where we are, imagining where we could be, Progressively leaps and bounds ahead of them.
	Apathy and complacency is what has ended us up where we are now.
	It's all cyclical.
	That is the recipe for disaster.
	And yet sheep are blindly following the same recipe that has been handed on generation after generation after generation.
	Honor authority.
	Be your government.
	Be compliant.
	Be governed.
	Sit down.
	Shut up.
	Live in your pod.
	Eat bugs, and don't you dare question any of it.
	Be happy.
	Yeah, and I have said many times over the years, look your children in the eye.
	Look your grandchildren in the eye.
	And just contemplate doing the same thing when this stuff is all in place.
	And when those kids say to you then, what were you doing, mummy, daddy, granddad, grandma, when the fascist state and the tyranny, the technocrat tyranny came in, what were you doing?
	And you'll have to say, lots of people will have to say, I was watching the TV, dear.
	I was voting for Trump, dear.
	And some of them will have to say, in law enforcement and in other areas of government, I was helping to bring it in here.
	And I don't want that conversation with my kids and grandkids, and I won't have it.
	But that's what's coming unless we summon the backbone to say, no, we're not cooperating with our own enslavement anymore.
	I want to come strategize with you in person.
	I'm out of time now.
	I want to come and sit down.
	If I come to the UK, will you have me?
	Yeah, we'll have a chat, yeah.
	All right, perfect.
	Remedy and solutions.
	Mr. David Icke, thank you so much for your time.
	You've been very gracious with it.
	I know that we were only scheduled for one hour.
	You gave us nearly two.
	And so for that, I'm very appreciative.
	I'm sure that I will see you on X. We'll communicate and...
	I'm going to book a flight.
	I'm not going to telegraph when that's going to be.
	But I'm going to come out and see you.
	I thoroughly enjoyed sitting down with Gareth.
	I'm looking forward to seeing him at Anarchapoco coming up in just a week or so.
	And I will see you there as well, although be it virtually, you'll still be blessing us with your presence.
	Until the next time, until we shake hands in person, stay steadfast.
	Appreciate your fight.
	God bless you.
	No problem.
	See ya.

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