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Feb. 10, 2025 - David Icke
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David Icke Exposes The Psyop - World Alternative Media
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Why do people, no matter how many times, proving yourself right, no matter how many times, they still call you crazy?
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Just let me say this.
They're laughing at you.
They're not laughing with you.
I do have a lot of experience over the decades of facing abuse and ridicule.
It's been incessant.
And I don't give a shit.
You have an agenda for the total global control of humanity, not least via AI becoming the human mind, plus lots of other things that go out from that.
So that's my starting point.
And so I look at...
Whatever party it is, or politician it is, what part they are playing in unfolding that dystopia.
A blitzkrieg of things happening that will lead his supporters to believe we're winning.
Because what they want is We're winning.
You know, if you're fighting someone, okay, okay, I'm under threat here.
I've got to concentrate.
Oh, no, I've won!
Bang.
You put your guard down, and that's part of what's going on.
Thanks for joining us, everyone.
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Now, let's get to part one of our exclusive interview with David Icke.
Hey everybody, Josh Sigurdsson of World Alternative Media here, and we are joined by the one and only David Icke, of course.
He needs no introduction, but I'll mention, you know, I have some of his books here.
I have The Dream.
I have The Trigger.
These are macro dives into some very interesting and very serious topics that David has been talking about for 35 years now.
And of course, they've called him crazy.
They've called all of us crazy, but he's been dealing with it for 35 years, and he's been proven right time and time again.
And of course, he's over on Iconic as well.
You can see our link in the description for Iconic.
I urge...
I want to get into some important subjects with you today, David.
Thank you very much for joining us today.
Real pleasure, Josh.
Absolutely.
After 35 years of warnings, I've done...
I've done this for about 19 years now, and it's exhausting.
I have fatigue from it.
You've been doing it a lot longer.
You've been going for 35 years speaking out about the issues around the world, you name it.
And of course, people still call you crazy.
Why do people, no matter how many times that you've proven them right, or proven them wrong rather, and proven yourself right?
No matter how many times, they still call you crazy.
What is going on in people's heads that leads to this perpetual, you're crazy kind of cognitive dissonance?
Well, it's kind of interesting.
I've observed the sequence so many times over the years.
What happens is, you know, I'm coming at this with a completely open mind.
I have no political ideology.
I have no religious ideology to defend or promote.
I just want to know what the bloody hell is going on and what we can do about it.
And so when you do that, because if you just look at those two things, the political ideology and the religious ideology, what they create is no-go areas.
Where you will not research, you will not pursue, because you know that if you do, there's a very good chance that your political, religious ideology will be under threat.
And we see this with the so-called right in politics, which has completely hijacked the alternative media in terms of the...
Algorithmic promotion and finance.
And they will not go into areas.
They won't question areas.
They won't demand answers in areas that would put their heroes, like Trump and Musk, etc., under the threat, under question.
And, oh, my God, maybe I have to re-evaluate what I thought of these people.
They don't want to do that.
And then if you go across to religion, you have exactly the same phenomenon.
Once you believe in a particular religious story, and, you know, that's not a problem.
You know, yes, I'm on the balance of things.
I think this is probably true.
But the point is, if you unquestionably or unquestionably believe in it, then again, you've got all these no-go areas.
Because you won't go in areas of potential research that potentially put your religious belief under question or under threat.
And so if you have this belief that your holy book, whatever it is, is the word of God, then...
You cannot question God.
Your religion tells you that.
And even though these holy books are bound with contradiction, there's some good stuff in there and there's some absolute dross.
But somehow, because it's the word of God, you have to square that circle.
And you have to...
Somehow explain away the dross that contradicts the good stuff.
And so I'm coming at this, and I have been all along, without any of that baggage.
What that means is you will go where the information and the evidence takes you.
You don't have no-go areas.
The only no-go areas that The symbolically that you have is if the information and the evidence makes no bloody sense.
Short of that, you'll go anywhere.
And that creates this sequence, Josh, where you say things that are far out, and they're only far out because what do we mean by far out?
They are far out, in theory, from...
Someone's perception of normal, normality.
So if you say something that's outside someone's normal or sense of reality, then you are far out to them.
But you, researching it, looking at the evidence, don't think it's far out at all.
It just makes sense of the evidence.
And so you say things that are...
Perceived to be far out.
And I started, of course, in the early 90s by saying the world's not controlled by the people who appear to be controlling it.
It's controlled by a global cult, a network of secret societies.
I mean, that's hardly revolutionary now, but it bloody well was at the time.
And what happens in the end is things that you say get proven right.
And then you go to another point in the sequence, which I experienced during the COVID hoax, where lots and lots of people that thought you were crazy go, you were right.
But because you've got an open mind and you're constantly pursuing what you don't know, it's a never-ending process.
Then by the time they're going, yeah, well, he was right, wasn't he?
You've moved on.
You are now saying things that to them, despite what they've seen about COVID, are far out again.
And they think, oh no, no, he's gone too far this time.
Oh no, that's mad.
David, there's a lot of misdirection now with the mainstream alternative media.
For example, you mentioned things that you said in the early 90s being far out at the time but not anymore.
And we see a lot of these people that came out of the woodwork, people I've never heard of before, suddenly millions of views on TikTok or Instagram or Twitter or X. And they are usually 18, 19, 20-year-olds and good for them for getting into all that.
But the algorithm promotes them.
And these are people that have not actually done a lot of research on these topics.
And those are the same people that will say what you're saying today is far out.
And all the while, these people that we've known for many, many years that have been in alternative media will then simultaneously say what you're saying is far out and go along with this other group because these young guys that came out of nowhere are perfect for the useful idiot kind of cult where they're just saying this, but no further. many years that have been in alternative media will then It's a limited hangout kind of thing where they latch onto this new narrative We've seen that across the board.
I've seen you talking about it for a few years now, talking about this weird thing that's happened with alternative media suddenly, going along with this new narrative.
And it's no different than mainstream media.
And people say, why, Josh?
Why do you talk about mainstream alternative media all the time?
Focus on the mainstream media.
But people don't understand that this mainstream alternative media is the new mainstream media.
No one's watching mainstream media anymore.
There's a few here and there.
The general public, if they're going to watch anything, they'll watch Joe Rogan or they'll watch someone else, Russell Brand or someone like that, which is tame and just kind of...
Poking at a few subjects, but not actually going all the way ever.
So what do you think has caused this strange new narrative network to arise in the face of all this?
Because again, they're going to call you far out.
They're going to laugh at you.
They're going to call you negative for daring to talk about something that affects us all.
It's the information flow of the entire planet.
Yeah, well, what's happened?
First of all, let's get to the real foundation.
Of what this conspiracy is.
What this global conspiracy is.
And it's control of human perception.
That's what it is.
We behave as we do.
We respond as we do.
Because we have the perceptions that we do.
So if you can control perception, you control behavior and you control...
How people respond.
So where do we get perception from?
From information.
So if you can control information to a large extent, especially among the unthinking, you will control perception, which means you'll control behavior, which will control human response to everything.
So for a long time, the mainstream media played that role.
It was pushing a narrative.
We saw it all the way through the COVID hoax, and we've seen it throughout, well, basically the history of the mainstream media, and it's got worse and worse and worse the nearer we get to present day.
But you have a situation, and this is something I've been saying over and over for years and years and years.
Know the outcome and you'll see the journey.
If you don't know what the outcome is planned to be, then everything seems to be random events.
Why are they doing this?
That makes no sense.
What are they doing that for?
But if you know what the outcome is planned to be, then the apparently random becomes stepping stones to that outcome.
So one of the, I say one of the, the major Part of the agenda is to connect the human brain, human body, to artificial intelligence so that artificial intelligence becomes the human mind.
And to have artificial intelligence control the entire system of human society, not least government.
Medicine, all of it, whether you can go into a store or not, if you've not got the right code, in other words, the right opinions, all controlled by artificial intelligence.
So you're looking at the people you have to bring on board.
Now, what we call the left in politics, or the woke, They've pretty much gone with this without any significant resistance.
To a very large extent, they are the smartphone generation and the tech generations.
So you got them, basically.
But you have a target year for so much of this.
To be in place.
And that's 2030. And so you somehow have to neuter the resistance to what you want from those who are wary of it and are very uncomfortable with where you want to take the world.
And if you look at the United States, that has been basically what have become known as Trump supporters and a similar mentality around the rest of the world.
So those people you have to bring on board so that they cease to resist what you want.
And then...
We're home and dry.
We gotcha.
Because once AI is connected to the human brain body, it is over because are you going to consider the possibility of ceasing to obey your authoritarian masters when your thoughts are coming from artificial intelligence, which will never manifest that Thought or possibility.
This is where we're going, and we're going there very fast, which is why I am totally unapologetic in calling out what has happened to the so-called alternative media, and I mean the mainstream core of it, because what has happened?
I remember walking through the streets of London during the COVID hoax.
Eventually, with hundreds of thousands of people.
And I would interact with them, and it was fantastic.
It wasn't so much a protest as some kind of almost spiritual event.
And people put aside their fault lines of disagreement to focus attention on a common threat.
Which was what was happening during COVID. And I thought then, we've got a bloody chance here because the fault lines of divide and rule are starting to disperse.
And then, once the restrictions were starting to be removed, in other words, the steam whistle...
Was kicked in to take away the pressure of resistance.
We had this phenomenon which I remember contacting Alex Jones about a long time ago, years ago now, and saying, this is happening.
Have you seen it?
And that was people coming out of the mainstream.
Into the, quote, alternative arena and taking it over.
But taking it over in a way that regressed it.
First of all, as you well know, Josh, a lot of people in the alternative were starting to grasp over the years that we live in one party states.
As they used to say in America when I first went there in the 1990s talking about this, it doesn't matter who you vote for because the government still gets in.
And so I saw these people come in and they regressed it.
They regressed it from the understanding that it's a one party state and politics is the the way of manipulating the population to give their power away, which in unity would be unstoppable, giving their power away to a tiny few people which in unity would be unstoppable, giving their power away to a tiny few people called politicians
Who would then unfold the agenda that those few people were pursuing on behalf of people in the shadows where the real power is.
And what we've seen is this regression from it's a one party state.
To left-right politics, the puppet show again.
And the people that have come in from the mainstream have attached themselves to the right.
You take someone like Russell Brand, he was talking in a very woke fashion for many years.
And then he was talking in a very esoteric fashion, like a New Age fashion, for years.
And suddenly he's transformed into a born-again evangelical Christian who supports the right in politics.
Now, that's a transformation that almost takes the breath away.
And you see these other people.
You know, you see Tucker Carlson came in.
I used to watch Tucker Carlson's show on Fox every morning when I got up, not because he was cutting edge, but because he was nearer the cutting edge, which doesn't say much, than the rest of the mainstream media in America.
And, you know, I said earlier that control of perception is control of the world.
And the force behind all this, which is ultimately in another dimension, is stupid, ridiculous, and ludicrous, because if it wasn't, it wouldn't be doing what it's doing.
But what it's brilliant at is manipulating perception and Being able to predict that if you introduce stimulus A,
you're going to get reaction B. So this is why the real alternative media, and it does exist, it's just not liked very much by the algorithms, they realize that if you think in black and white,
You're dead and buried because this cult, in its perceptual manipulation, doesn't work in the black and white.
It just wants you to believe in black and white.
So on the Carlson example, when he was fired by Fox, the black and white view of that...
Was that, oh, he's gone too far.
Fox don't want him to say what he's saying and they fired him.
Now, OK, well, that's one way of looking at it.
But if you're coming from the brilliant, and it is, understanding of perceptual manipulation that this cult has, you bloody well know that when you do that, he's going to become...
A alternative media superstar.
And immediately he moved to X, which conveniently was then taken over by Elon Musk.
And so suddenly all these people who had worked, in my case, for decades to uncover all this were now faced.
Rogan's another one.
We're now faced with people coming in who were talking about politics and the puppet show.
Other things too that were worth talking about, but overwhelmingly it was the puppet show.
And we regressed into left-right politics again.
And, you know, the idea that this cult would not have known that was going to happen is ridiculous if you've done any research at all.
Now, that doesn't mean to say dogmatically, oh, yeah, Tucker Carlson, he's come in and he's doing it on purpose.
Only he knows that.
But the point is, if you introduce people who...
Have a certain view of the world and you promote the heck out of them and you algorithmically, stupendously promote them, then it doesn't matter if they know.
What part they're playing.
They're playing that part anyway.
Well, David, this is exactly how they used to manipulate things in a different way, utilizing the mainstream media.
I interviewed Chris Hedges, who worked at the New York Times, about 11 years ago now.
And at the time, he said, listen, they didn't tell me that I cannot write certain things.
It was just known if I write those things, they'll deep six my career.
And essentially, I won't be able to get a job again.
And essentially, I won't be able to be seen.
Today, we're seeing that with the algorithm.
You know, you were in a pretty infamous interview debate with Alex Jones about a year ago.
And by the way, I really appreciate the shout out on that show.
I'm going to play a clip right here.
Now, this is not a free speech platform.
Now, what this means is through your algorithms, you can emphasize People you want to be seen, and you want to be promoted, and you want people to follow them and think that that's where it's at.
And then those that are not, then you start shadow banning them.
And there are many, many people who are on Twitter, decent people, who are putting stuff out, Josh Sigerson being one.
Who was clearly shadow banned by the numbers that they get.
And so this is the start of a slippery slope.
But the point is, it's not Elon Musk or Twitter or whatever.
However, it's how that has stopped much of the alternative media that would have been calling him out for these services to the cult services to the WF agenda, but are not doing it now. it's how that has stopped much of the alternative media But you you spoke out about a lot of these things.
And, you know, people said, oh, you're negative.
You're not being positive.
But why would anyone want to be positive about falling for the latest trap and being pulled into this mix of the new mainstream alternative media?
Yeah, you can make a bunch of money.
You can get a lot of popularity out of it, but you'll still be wrong historically.
And what did we all get into this in the first place for if we're all just going to go and wander off and make a few extra dollars or pounds or euros to go and say the wrong thing?
You know, one thing that I think about a lot is every 20 years we see...
A shift to a different anti-establishment narrative.
In the 1960s, it was the left side of the paradigm.
In the 1980s, the right side of the paradigm was a new anti-establishment.
Then under Bush in the early 2000s, 20 years later, it was the left again.
And then, of course, that stayed through Obama.
And now in the 2020s, it's Trump, so it's a right again.
But it all kind of moves in a strange direction where they take 10 freedoms away, give six back, and they call themselves anti-establishmentarianists.
Obama, for example...
I called out for years, rightly so.
You know, he was an establishment shill that a lot of people on the left were falling for.
And people say now, why do you talk about Trump so much?
Why are you so negative about Trump?
Do you have Trump derangement syndrome?
Whatever it might be.
And I say, when we have a mainstream...
And I say mainstream because he's the guy that's considered the anti-establishment.
When we have the mainstream anti-establishment figure in place, then people are going to rush to him.
Therefore, he's the most dangerous in the moment because no one listens to the other side anyway.
And so we have this...
Quandary now, where Trump is the anti-establishment figure and everyone just accepts it, and if you dare to say anything against it, the same people that called out censorship, the same people who called out shilling for politicians, the left-right paradigm, all these things, they will now hound you, attack you for daring to criticize their new lord and savior, who is...
Israel First, who is surrounded by technocrats.
And I wanted to kind of get into that with you, David.
Go ahead.
I just want to make a point here.
First of all, I'm not doing anything different now than I've done for 35 years, just going into the 36th year of doing this.
I'm researching the background to those that put themselves forward to Have power over the population.
And I'm looking at what the agenda is.
And if there's no agenda, there always is, unfortunately, because that's how politics works.
That's what it's there for.
But if there was no agenda, then I would be silent.
I don't promote politicians.
I don't promote political parties.
That's not the job of an alternative researcher and journalist.
Actually, a real researcher and journalist, never mind alternative.
But I would be silent.
But the point is that that's not what's going on, and so I'm not going to be silent about it.
And the other part of that is not to give a damn.
I do have a lot of experience over the decades of facing abuse and ridicule.
It's been incessant.
And I don't give a shit.
I mean, these people that write their stuff on X and stuff, that's told him.
I don't give a shit.
You haven't told me anything.
You know, you're just coming from your black and white little box and you're right to your opinion, but I have a right to see that it's not valid.
And so what you are doing is calling out In the same way, and you've mentioned that with this movement of left-right, it's all part of the perceptual game, where you have an agenda for the total global control of humanity,
not least via AI becoming the human mind, plus lots of other things that go out from that.
So that's my starting point.
And so I look at whatever party it is or politician it is, what part they are playing in unfolding that dystopia.
And so you can see what I've done over the years in terms of Biden and Obama.
Clinton.
Well, it's just consistency.
Going back, where I've been calling this out.
And in the same way, I've called it out under Father Bush, under Boy Bush, and under Trump, because they use different rhetoric and they go by slightly different routes, but they're heading in the same bloody direction.
So why should I? Be so idiotic that I will push back on left-centred politicians and not push back on the right when they're both pushing us in the same bloody direction.
It's ridiculous.
Well, they don't have much to go on, David.
They will still attack you for a few different things throughout your entire 35 years talking about these things.
They'll say, oh, I saw him on Terry Wogan, or oh, the reptilian thing, or the moon.
That's all they really have.
Couldn't care less.
See, you know, this is the point, Josh.
From the start, when I began this in 1990, I've never tried to persuade anyone of anything.
What people believe is none of my business and it's their business.
My interest comes when their beliefs are sought to be imposed on everyone else.
That's where I get interested.
I couldn't care less if someone wants to transition or claim to transition from a man to a woman or a woman to a man.
Really not bothered if a man with a willy walks around in a dress.
That's, you know, well, you know, that's called freedom.
My interest arises when they seek to impose that on other people by insisting that they are addressed by, quote, pronouns, that the person doesn't...
Believe or appropriate because, well, you look like a man to me.
And having people fired from their jobs for having a different opinion to the transgender person.
That's where I get interested, where it's imposed upon other people.
And because of this perceptual foundation of this conspiracy.
The imposition of perception happens in many, many ways.
One is by law, which I've just described, and the other, or another, there are many, can be seen with Trump.
In the weeks before he came to office, I said that what we're going to see once he gets into power...
Is a blitzkrieg of things happening that will lead his supporters to believe we're winning.
Because what they want is we're winning.
You know, if you're fighting someone, OK, OK, I'm under threat here.
I've got to concentrate.
Oh, no, I've won.
Bang.
You put your guard down, and that's part of what's going on.
Oh, we're winning now.
Trump will do it for us.
He won't.
So what you have to do is watch the outcome, not the rhetoric.
So, for instance, wonderful example.
Just to continue just a thought before I say that, is that this blitzkrieg of we're winning, oh, we're doing this, we're doing that, he's doing that, he's doing the other.
That's the smoke screen.
That's to get you to look over here.
Because over here, the agenda moves on.
And fundamentally, the agenda is the AI agenda.
This is why we've had this Stargate announcement and all this other stuff coming out of China.
It's about...
A massive AI takeover of the world.
And it's also massively part of this agenda is Israel and that Israel story, which I'm sure we'll get into.
So if you look at what Trump is saying about freedom and he's anti-war and all this.
Well, first of all, the last thing.
That an AI control system is going to do is bring freedom.
It's going to bring tyranny on a level that in no human history humanity's never seen before.
And that's going on while he's, oh, freedom!
And then you've got this quote from him in his inauguration speech, free speech!
The days of censorship are over.
I'm going to insist on free speech.
The next thing he bloody does is announce that he's going to target anyone in America who he says is anti-Semitic.
Yeah.
I want to get into this with you, David, because you're getting into a subject I wanted to ask you about, actually.
And we'll get into the Israel First Cabinet and everything in a bit, but I want to stay on the subject of technocracy because you mentioned earlier on...
One way or another, the end goal ends up being the same.
So the road still leads to Rome, whether it's the Democrats, Republicans, whether it's the Tories or the Labor, whether it's whatever it is worldwide, we're dealing with the same roadmap.
And that being basically the bankrupting of the individual.
And I want to point out something that, you know, people say RFK Jr. is going to take down big pharma, which sounds great until you consider the fact that perhaps the move is to make the government the drug manufacturer, to make the government the bank, to make the government the grocery store in this digital system.
And this is just a psyop to move us in that direction while whilst looking like they're actually going up against the establishment.
Elon Musk, who wants to put chips in people's brains attached to a Pentagon funded mesh network, is registering X as a bank and openly says that AI will destroy humanity while he...
Builds on it more than anyone else.
The guy who says AI will take over all jobs, but don't worry.
You could go on guaranteed basic income.
Meanwhile, Zuckerberg and Bezos and the CEO of Google and SoftBank and all these people, Larry Ellison, Sam Altman, all gather around Trump.
They push AI. They push mRNA cancer vaccines.
Total absurdity.
But people will say, oh, he freed this person or he did this good thing over here.
I believe that the end goal of the real censorship we will face eventually will be our mind, our ability to step out of line at all.
What we're seeing on social media is just a precursor with AI and technocracy.
What do you think about all these technocrats suddenly surrounding Trump?
Zuckerberg pretending that he's suddenly anti-establishment and he's going to help Trump work on the latest AI projects.
Larry Ellison, all these people.
What do you think about that whole outlook for technocracy and Trump?
Well, first of all, I've been saying again for decades, if you want to see what's planned for the West tomorrow, look at China today.
So what we're seeing is the westernization of the China system of control by AI with millions of cameras in the streets and Total real-time surveillance and this social credit system where your views dictate if you can take part in mainstream society.
Your views dictating if you can go on a train, if you can go on a plane, if you can have a job.
That's exactly what's moving westward very, very fast and to the rest of the world.
And, of course, it's gone into steroid mode since, quote, COVID, which is alleged, and I emphasize alleged, to have come out of China.
So this all kind of fits together.
You know, it's my view that the Mao revolution was a global cult revolution.
And the idea was to create a closed society, which China still is to an extent, but massively was under Mao, within which a system of total mass human control could be incubated and perfected.
And then once that's happened, played out across the world.
Now, that is exactly what's going on.
You know, I've watched people in the so-called alternative media, a lot of these people that, you know, came out of the mainstream and didn't know anything before COVID, and never talked about it, going, oh yeah, Bill Gates, he's going to be sent to Guantanamo Bay, he is, and Zuckerberg, what's going to happen to him?
Trump's going to sort him out.
And it's all bloody nonsense because it's not just politics that is a one-party state.
The tech arena is a one-party state.
So Zuckerberg and Gates and Musk and Ellison and Andresen and Thiel and such like have been on the same team all along.
It's just they've had different roles to play.
And now they're being brought together on board to push on to 2030. And so it's no surprise at all what's happening now.
And like I say, the smokescreen to get you looking the other way is to give you lots of reasons to believe that we're winning.
But this is another point.
When you are coming from the perspective of you want to know what's going on, whatever it is, then you are light on your feet in all areas.
You're scanning society, looking for things, and you have a consistency of how you view things.
What we have now in the hijacked...
Alternative media, the right in other words, that it's okay when we do it.
It was no surprise to me whatsoever that suddenly all these tech oligarchs start being assembled around Trump because it's exactly what you would expect if you can see what's really going on.
One aspect of this alternative hijacked media is that it's not consistent.
If you are a genuine researcher who is light on their feet and is looking at society in an impartial way, no political, religious ideology, You're consistent in the way you're looking at things and making judgments on things.
Once you have an ideology, once you have a savior, that all disappears.
So what we're seeing, Josh, as you well know, is that the hijacked alternative, quote, right, is saying it's OK for Trump to do things.
And Musk to do things that would have been jumped upon with fury had Clinton or Obama or Harris or Biden have done them.
Absolutely.
So once you've got this mentality of it's OK when we do it, then you're not an alternative journalist and you're not...
Credible in my view.
Well, I want to cut in for a second.
Sorry for interrupting, David.
I think a lot about this idea that they always say you're sitting on your hands if you don't vote, when it's kind of an inversion because the very idea of voting for the system to change is sitting on your hands because you're not doing anything about it yourself.
You're hoping this other person does something for you.
And back in 2018, I interviewed you, and it was one of the main reasons that I got taken down by YouTube eventually.
I saw a decrease of 90% of my viewership, and I'm proud of it.
I'm not complaining.
But we talked about QAnon at the time.
We said, you know, this idea, this hopium surrounding, Trump's going to arrest all these people, put them in gulags, and...
These are the same people, by the way, that said, hey, Trump's running against Guantanamo Bay, and now he's saying he's going to send the migrants there.
Well, before, they were saying he's going to send all of these technocrats there, people like Zuckerberg and Bezos and Hillary Clinton and all these other people.
And here we are, he's snuggling up with them.
And by the way, Klaus Schwab says that the role model for the Great Reset is China, which is technocracy.
As you mentioned, China is...
Today, what we see later on.
And now he's surrounding himself by...
By the way, these guys are Marxists.
The idea of technocracy is a total centralization of everything, but it's a combination of corporation with Marxism.
So it's a strange thing.
The Rockefellers started this whole movement in the 1910s.
But now you have people like Elon Musk, Zuckerberg, Bezos, and all these people next to Trump pushing an agenda that is...
By design, a Marxist agenda of technocracy where the state owns and runs everything via digital IDs.
Meanwhile, if you criticize it, these same people that were previously criticizing it will call you anti-Trump, TDS, communist, whatever it might be, whatever they can muster to shout at you verbatim from whatever the Fox News host said on television.
The hypocrisy and the irony in general is unbelievable.
Call me what you like.
I don't give a damn.
I really, honestly, call me what you like.
I'm interested in what's going on and how people see me in pursuit of that is their business, nothing to do with me.
Now, you mentioned Musk there and you mentioned technocracy and you mentioned the Rockefellers and, of course, Musk's grandfather.
Was a technocrat promoter.
Joshua Haldeman, his name was.
And so why did I pick up on Elon Musk a long time ago, a long time before he bought Twitter X? Because the companies that he was involved in and is fronting up for, the idea he runs these companies, I mean, come on.
He's never off Twitter for a start.
Ridiculous.
And he plays video games four hours a day.
It's absurd.
Yeah, and gets other people to play him so he can claim to be good at it.
I mean, the man's an absolute con man, and he's a front man.
That's all he is.
He's a seller of concepts.
So his Tesla was selling the concept of electric vehicles.
His Neuralink is selling the concept, although it's way back from the cutting edge, of chipping the brains of people.
And his SpaceX, which is actually an operation run by the Pentagon and NASA, is putting up low-orbit satellites to create this surveillance network and to generate the electromagnetic cloud, which is designed to interact.
With technology, nanotechnology in the body that's been put there, not least by the COVID fake vaccines and by the PCR tests up the nose, to interact and become the human hive mind, which I've been talking about earlier.
So when he bought Twitter, or he was allowed to buy Twitter, because I say to people, You know, before he bought Twitter, what was Twitter?
Oh, it was terrible.
Oh, it was terrible.
They were taking people down and they were dictating who could be on it and who couldn't.
And it was the deep state.
And you go, yeah, that's right.
And then Trump, sorry, Musk comes out with the Twitter files.
Oh, yeah, look what it was doing to Twitter before.
The deep state were running it.
OK, fine.
OK, no problem.
I was thrown off it.
I know all about that.
So why did the deep state, having controlled Twitter and got it exactly where they wanted it, why did they allow you to buy it, a so-called, and it is so-called, free speech absolutist?
Because you were allowed to buy it.
Because I looked at it and I thought, I know it's a scam.
I've just got to get my head around the nature of the scam.
And very quickly, this connects into what we were talking about earlier in terms of the hijacked alternative media.
This became clear pretty quickly when I saw the transformation of attitudes to Musk by so many in the alternative media once he had bought with...
Qatar and Saudi Arabia and P. Diddy.
Twitter.
So, wonderful example.
There's a Dutch activist called Eva Vlandingebrook.
And I watched a video she did in 2022 where she's saying, Elon Musk is not our friend.
He's a transhumanist and he's doing this and he's doing that.
And all of it was true.
Now you look at the posts since then, after the Twitter thing unfolded, and you'll find that she's doughy-eyed in her eulogies of Elon Musk.
And there's no more talk about that he's a transhumanist.
And of course, the most blatant example of this...
It's Alex Jones.
Like I said, I contacted him.
It must be a couple of years ago now.
And I said, look, have you seen that alternative media is being bloody hijacked by these mainstreamers?
And a producer of his communicated back.
Alex says, yeah, he can see it, but he doesn't know what to do about it, right?
And I said, well, tell him to give me a call.
Let's talk it through.
No call never came.
And the next thing I know is Alex is interviewing people that I highlighted that were part of the hijack.
And today, he's gone from every day challenging the agenda of the World Economic Forum and challenging the agenda of power.
He's always been a Trump supporter since 2016. To treating Musk and Trump like god kings, no matter what they say, no matter how it may play a part in advancing this transhumanist agenda, he's silent and in support of it.
Now, I don't know what's happened to Alex, but whatever has happened, it ain't good.
Because now, and again, the algorithms love him, and you've got people who've come on the scene, have joined Twitter in 2023 only, now have a million views, and algorithms love him.
And all they're doing...
Ian Carroll.
That's one I have great doubts about.
And what they're doing is they're taking stuff, for instance, that was in my books in the 1990s, And they're putting out a mild version of it, and they're becoming this centre of attention in terms of, oh, yeah, he's revealing the conspiracy.
No, he's revealing what other people have revealed long before, but he's only revealing a mild part of it.
That's the same with all of these people.
And so you look at Musk and what he's doing.
And what the purchase of Twitter X has done is give him a free ride from the alternative media, the mainstream of it anyway, that are not talking about all the things.
You mentioned a few of them.
The guaranteed income, which is absolutely off the script of the World Economic Forum.
Carbon taxes.
The carbon taxes, all of it.
I mean, he's pushing the whole agenda, really.
And then talking against bits of it, and it's in talking against bits of it that get people to go, oh, yeah, he's great, Elon, he's calling them out.
Well, again, we're back to the smoke screen.
While he's calling them out here, oh, yeah, oh, good old Elon.
The agenda of the AI control of humanity goes on and on and on.
Well, David, I mean, we have the carbon tax, which was pushed forward by Maurice Strong in Gro Harlem, Brundtland in, I think it was the Rio conference years and years ago over the climate.
1992. And they brought in the carbon tax first in Norway.
It only increased taxes dramatically.
They brought it in in Canada.
I got in a big confrontation
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