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Oct. 4, 2024 - David Icke
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Who Is Really Running The World? - David Icke Talks To Danica Patrick
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Find the answers Don't hold back Achieve maximum success Book with me if you want to live This is definitely an interview that I've been looking forward to and working on getting for years because I've been listening to you and watching you on YouTube, at least whatever they keep up, of course, for so long.
And that's so long in my world, but you've been in sort of...
Engulfed in this truth-revealing for decades and decades, and way before we ever could have a conversation that included even the word consciousness.
I'm honored to have this time, and I think I just want to kind of start off by asking you if anything shocks you anymore.
No. Nothing shocks me in the sense that the more you...
The more we grasp the scale of the infinite reality that we are part of, we're only seeing a smear of it.
I mean, even a smear doesn't describe it really.
And that infinity is infinite possibility.
So anything is possible.
And nothing surprises me anymore.
And another reason it doesn't surprise me is that, you know, when I started out 35 years ago, There was hardly anybody talking about this stuff.
There were just a few disparate individuals.
The challenge Was that this dystopia journey called a conspiracy, which is what it is, was under the radar largely in the sense of you had to really go digging to uncover it and where the world was being taken.
But of course, particularly since, quote, COVID, the COVID hoax, we've had it more and more put in our face.
And I think that what is shocking a lot of people who haven't been on this journey for 35 years is the scale of deceit that was controlling their lives before.
Because so many people have said to me in the last few years, it's so obvious, why didn't I see it before?
Well, there's a reason for that.
There's many reasons for that.
But one of them is, well, it was operating under the radar.
And now it's particularly, well, what happened with COVID, as I said at the time, is that this has entered the room.
Where we can see it.
And although still lots of people just buy the nonsense, a heck of a lot more than ever did before, do not.
But my concern has been, particularly since the COVID period, Is that what we call alternative, the alternative media, that which, that part of it, because I mean, the alternative media has got absolutely fantastic people in it.
But that core that attracts all the algorithmic support and all the funding.
I mean, we've had stories running yesterday and today about some of the unbelievable funding that some of these people get.
And it's created what I call a barricade, a barricade around this expansion.
We go through a series of awakenings, which I think are different levels of deprogramming, actually, what we call awakening.
The first one is to realize that The world's not controlled by the people we thought it was, which is presidents, prime ministers, and such like.
But if you stop there and the awakening doesn't go on, the deprogramming doesn't go on, so that you see more and more and more of the scale of human control, which takes you not only into the scale of it, it also takes you into those areas where the answers lie.
And what I perceive to be a hijack of the alternative media since COVID, More and more blatant now.
Has put this barricade around it.
And so the focus of attention on what is the conspiracy is Trump or Harris, basically.
Republicans or Democrats.
And whatever two parties or three parties you have in other countries.
This focus of attention on politics.
Like Trump is the saviour.
We've got to get Trump in. Well, even if Trump is the savior, I don't think he is for a second.
What happens in four years time when someone else comes in?
I mean, you're not getting to the core of what's going on.
So what's going on is just going to continue.
There's nothing that shocks me anymore.
But I have been not shocked, deeply disappointed by the way the alternative media has focused its attention on the left-right puppet show, because that's a diversion.
It's not the answer, it's a diversion.
And so many people currently, as we go up to this election, are being diverted From what they need to know to what they're told to know.
Well, before we started and we just chatted and I asked you if you, I said that I wanted to mention the election and whether or not our president was going to make a difference and you said no.
And then of course that leads into if they don't make a difference, which it's That's potentially a very logical answer, given the fact that the president that we have right now isn't even really being a president, and yet the country's carrying on.
Who is running the show then?
Well, that tells you, doesn't it?
That tells you, the Biden period tells you, you've had someone who's at least, shall we say, psychologically challenged, and yet the country has gone on, the decisions have been made, and clearly he's not been making them.
Probably for nearly the whole term, really.
Yeah, 100%. I mean, there was a reason why they kept him in the bunker and kept him away from, just as they are with Kamala Harris.
And Trump was president when COVID happened.
So if he was able to...
Hold those kinds of things back, then that's also not possible either.
That occurred while he was president.
So, yeah, who's really running the show?
Yeah, there's a few things come out of that.
First of all is that clearly in the Biden period, he's not been running the country.
I mean, just go back a bit further.
Go back to boy George Bush at the time of the invasion of Iraq.
The man hardly had a brain cell on active duty.
I mean, you just look at it.
And the person who was running the country at the time of boy George Bush was Dick Cheney, the vice president.
One step back, that's where you usually find the power rather than the person absolutely up front.
And Dick Cheney was a...
A cohort, I have to say it, an absolute evil cohort of another evil guy called Father George Bush.
So this is not new.
You go back and back and back, you're seeing this same...
This same theme of something in the background always being there.
That's the thing to remember.
Because this is a conspiracy to create total global human control.
And it doesn't come in and stop when another party comes in.
It's constant.
It's been going on literally, in our perception of time anyway, for thousands of years.
And it's just now reaching its kind of endgame.
And so...
Obviously, throughout this whole period, there's been a common theme, a common coordinating force.
Well, you go really way back into the non-human to find the source of that.
But at the level of presidents and prime ministers, it's what people call the deep state.
The deep state has a network that operates within countries, and therefore no matter who's in power, that's in power.
But there's also the next level of the deep state and the next level, the next level,
until you've got what I call the global cult that's orchestrating the whole direction
of global human society.
So you've got that confirmed that presidents don't run the show.
What they're trying to do is to take our power, first of all, to convince us we have none,
you're just little me, you've got.
Right. To any other source, any source that they can convince us to give it away to.
And that's the point of politics.
Politics is there to get you to give your power away in American terms to an individual.
In fact, even that in UK these days, to an individual.
And then say, you do it for me for the next four years.
And then they go and run your life and dictate your life for the next four years.
And then what happens is you have another election and you think, well, I didn't like him, so I'm going to vote for them.
Which is always why it keeps going back and forth in a general rhythm.
Exactly. And then the same process repeats.
And all the time you've got tens and tens and tens of millions of people Who are voting for, say, Trump, who, if they simply cease to cooperate with their own enslavement, like 70 odd million apparently voted for him, I was reading, then the system couldn't function.
Because that would be people collectively taking their power And expressing it in non-cooperation with their own in Sladen.
But instead, you give this power away at elections to an individual, and that individual is controlled by the same force that controls the individual he was campaigning against in the election.
And they then play out the cult agenda.
Now, you've got two parties in America.
You have different natural constituencies.
The two parties have to use different rhetoric to keep those constituencies on board.
They have to move at slower paces and convince their natural base of the same thing But in a different way.
If you look at the so-called left, it's not the left that I knew.
I grew up in the left in politics in Britain.
That was the household I grew up in.
Definitely not the same as it used to be.
None of it. No, I completely reject the puppet show of left and right, and it's all a diversion and nonsense.
But you're absolutely right.
The so-called left is not the left that was.
A lot of the people that used to call left, they now call right wing.
Kind of funny, because it's moved so much.
So that's really, if you're looking at the natural Democrat base, that's pretty much a pushover.
So you can go for the hard sell with that.
But with the others, like the Trump supporters, they don't want...
What the wokers will accept and often demand.
So you have to get to the same end, to the same outcome, from other means.
I'll give you a great example of what I mean by that.
The idea, the plan, and it's getting closer every day, Is to connect artificial intelligence to the human brain, so that artificial intelligence becomes the human mind.
I go into this in some detail in my new book, The Reveal, because it's all connected to this COVID fake vaccine, as well as the other things that are happening all around us all the time.
That's the outcome they want.
Why? Because up to this point, they've had to manipulate information And control information as best they can to dictate the perception of the population.
Because you're dealing with, compared with 8 billion people, in full knowledge of what they're doing, you're dealing with a tiny number of people by comparison.
You're not going to be able to control the population physically until you get AI connected and then You tell the population what they're going to think and how they're going to react and how they're going to behave.
And therefore, you are, in that sense, controlling them physically.
But before that, you have to control their perception because from perception comes behavior.
And if you want people to behave the way you want, you've got to get them to perceive the way you want.
That's where all the censorship comes in.
It's controlling the information that people receive so that they come to the conclusions you want them to.
The next stage, this AI stage, is to go beyond that and literally give people their perceptions direct.
So you've got two groups.
Almost like an inception.
Almost like they're going to implant it in a way.
Get into, as we go along, the means through which I'm saying in the reveal that they're not just planning to do it, they are doing it now.
So the outcome is that.
That's what they want. So you've got two groups of people, in theme at least, a woke or democratic type mentality that will go with this.
You can give them the hard sell through people like Klaus Schwab at the World Economic Forum, Bill Gates, Ray Kurzweil at Google, who's talking about, and did a long time ago now, years ago, talked about the year 2030, when AI would be connected to the human brain.
And in his words, from that moment of connection, AI would do more and more of human thinking until human thinking is negligible and actually deleted.
So that's the hard sell.
But then you've got all these people Tens of millions of them in America and more and more around the world who don't want that.
They don't want this whole AI-controlled dystopian system.
They've seen in China what happens with the social credit system and all that, where it's total control.
All you have to do is watch Black Mirror and all this stuff gets very scary.
I've watched quite a few of those.
And yeah, they are looking at a dystopian world that this is planned to be.
And we're going there faster and faster all the time.
So how do you deal with that vast number of people in America alone who don't want what your agenda is?
Well, enter Elon Musk.
Yeah, I was hoping you would mention him because he's a very confusing character in his efforts and what he's developed and whether or not he really has human interest at heart or not.
And honestly, I don't know if you saw the recent interview about him talking about his son and losing his son to...
Changing genders, but it sounds like maybe there's a shift within him, but I'm very curious what you think about Elon.
There's no shift in what I'm observing, but there is enormous deceit going on.
By Elon? Well, he's being played by those that control him.
I mean, we can get into the fact that his companies survive, like SpaceX survived, but from contracts from NASA and the Pentagon, government contracts, and others like Neuralink, the brain chip company, which is actually way back from the cutting edge, by the way, we might get into that.
But he was involved in ChatGPT, too, originally.
And then when it was sort of run in a way that he didn't like, he got out of that.
So it's interesting.
And then he gets into Grok.
You see, this is one of the points that people, I think, need to grasp about the whole AI arena.
You've got to have...
Fake competition and fake rivalry.
It might not be fake absolutely at the point of delivery, but it's fake in the bigger picture.
So, okay, so ChatGPT.
Oh, well, that's left wing.
That's manipulating.
So we're going to have Grok.
And we're going to have this Google version.
And we're going to have this Amazon version.
I keep saying this.
What is the outcome of all of them?
This AI information system takes over information.
We're now having people in the alternative media, alternative in quotes, who are interviewing people.
Chat GPT. And you go on the internet and you're being offered all these AI systems to give you information.
Right. So you can have your fake rivalry.
Oh, Musk, what is he saying about Sam Altman?
What's he saying about Musk?
But actually, look at the outcomes.
And the outcome is that these things are taking over.
Because from a global cult point of view, this global network of secret societies I talk about, they control Musk, they control Altman, they control ChatGPT, they control Grok, they control all of them.
But they're designed for a particular audience because you're trying to pull them in.
And the hardest ones to pull in are those that don't want what you want to impose.
I've been tracking Elon Musk long, long before he purchased Twitter.
Actually, look at the number of people around the world, including the Saudis, that own Twitter.
You wonder how much their commitment is to free speech in Qatar and places like that that are involved in Twitter ownership.
Anyway, so in that pre-Twitter period, There were people in the alternative media who were calling Musk out because you've only got to look at his companies to see that they're serving the agenda in many and various ways.
SpaceX massively, and we can get into that when we come into this AI hive mind situation that I've been talking about.
But that all stopped the moment he bought Twitter X and started letting a few people back on.
It was like he's suddenly become a god of this alternative media, which is not alternative at all.
It's just right-wing politics.
That's what it's solidified into, coagulated into.
Now he gets a free ride.
And suddenly, you'll notice a few weeks ago, Musk suddenly became incredibly overtly political, party political.
Well, the Trump interview on X was...
Big launching pad for that.
In a really, really intense way, he's doing it all the time now.
And he's been offered a job and accepted it in a Trump administration.
What's happening?
You're looking at the soft sell to the AI human to convince that big constituency that will be supporting Trump.
What is what's Musk saying?
He's saying that AI is inevitable.
Its development is inevitable.
It's not. It's the result of choices.
But he's saying it's inevitable.
And therefore, it could be the end of humanity.
He's been saying that for a long time.
Okay. Well, first of all, why do you keep bringing out more and more AI? But he then says that to overcome...
AI making humans obsolete, humans must be fused with AI and fused with artificial intelligence.
So let's have a look at that.
Okay, hard cell fused humans with artificial intelligence.
Hive mind. Soft cell, well, you know, it could be dangerous.
It could be the end of humanity.
But, you know, if we're going to survive, we've got to...
Confuse humans with artificial intelligence.
And because they've built Musk into this free speech hero, he's not.
Let me come to that in a second.
He is given a free ride on all this.
And people say, oh, yeah, you can trust Elon.
Well, you can't.
Do you know, these are official figures.
The pre-Musk Twitter was taking down content 50% of the time when governments and authorities and courts demanded it.
Under Musk Twitter X, that content is taken down 80% of the time.
See, it's all a perceptual game.
So what's happening is you'll pick a fight, with a country like Brazil at the moment and people will go see he's standing up for free speech But quietly, in the background, he's taking down content all the time.
He had a spat, another, oh, look, he's standing up for free speech.
He had a spat with the Australian government.
And what the Australian government said to him is, we want the video of this preacher who was stabbed on video to be taken down.
And he took it down in Australia immediately.
But they said, no, we want it taken down worldwide.
And he said, I'm not going to take it down worldwide.
And that was another spat.
Oh, he's standing up for free speech.
But what it turns out is that he has taken down globally content demanded by the Australian government before in the six months of To March of this year, Twitter X took down 40,000 pieces of content demanded by the EU globally, not just in the EU, globally.
So there's a story going on in the background, quietly.
And there's a story going on for public consumption.
And we've really got to start realizing that there's a PSYOP going on here.
And it's all right saying, you know, or free speech.
Well, hold on a minute. Let's just talk about that.
What's happening?
And YouTube have just started moving into this arena, interestingly.
It's like it's the new censorship.
Fewer people are outright banned.
But if you're saying the wrong thing, then no one ever sees it, or virtually no one ever sees it.
So much shadow banning.
Shadow banning. So this is actually being articulated by Linda Iaccarino.
Who is the CEO of TwitterX and a close associate of the World Economic Forum and Klaus Schwab.
That's just the person you want to pick, isn't it, Elon?
And she's talked about free speech but not reach.
Speech but not reach.
Yeah, that's a better way to hide it.
Because if you're actually fully shut down, you can say that will get out somehow.
But if you don't realize that it's not reaching people, you don't really say anything.
Exactly. You know, the number of people, I've got 663,000 followers on my Twitter X page.
And the number of times people say, I never see your post, mate.
Oh, yeah. What?
Same for me. I mean, I had a friend say something not long ago that was like, I realized I hadn't seen your stuff in a while.
And sure enough, you've been shadow banned.
And I was like, huh. That's exactly what's going on.
And she talks about lawful, but awful.
So who decides if something's, well, it's lawful, but who decides if it's awful?
Well, they do. And so what you've seen, I've watched this.
I mean, you know, I'm on the case every waking minute.
I've watched this happen.
This center of the alternative media...
That's created this barricade of myopic focus on only politics.
They get massive algorithmic support.
And others, wonderful people who are on the outs side of that barricade brigade and are
open to a greater sense of what's going on, they don't get that support.
And of course, the person that gets most algorithmic support
on TwitterX is Musk.
And he's posting like machine gun fire, which means he's obviously not doing them all, to say the
least.
You're absolutely right.
There's a lot of postings happening.
And he's always at the top of your feed.
Yeah, but what you said, yeah, exactly.
But this is the point.
He's the kingmaker, you see.
I talk about this in the reveal.
He's the kingmaker because if he reposts something by someone, automatically the algorithms will give that someone tens of millions of views sometimes.
And so by targeting who he reposts, he's manipulating the information that people receive and protection on particular people.
And, you know, I said in a post recently, responding to something that he posted, obviously he didn't get many views compared with him, to say the least, because it's Saraband.
But anything you say about him that's negative is shatterband.
But I was pointing out, he was saying, oh, you know, when this Zuckerberg thing broke, he said, oh, yeah, Zuckerberg, he was manipulating the election by, you know, through Facebook and all this stuff.
He admitted it, right? That was interesting.
Then you say, why is he just admitted it, you know, which is another story.
But the point I made was, well, hold on, mate, Mr.
Musk, but you're manipulating this election.
Because you are favoring massively on X Donald Trump.
I've got no brief for Kamala Harris.
I mean, or me.
God, are you kidding? I've got no brief for Trump either, but I've got a brief for either of them.
But if you're taking this...
Literally, and you're taking this balance literally, then he's using X to support Trump.
And the algorithms are supporting Trump.
He posts negatively about Harris.
He posts positively all the time about Trump.
Now he's saying, well, you know, America's finished without Trump coming in and all this.
What about this?
Hey, what about this?
How about this for an idea?
That we just let people post.
The algorithms are equal.
And no one's shadow banned, no one's boosted, and people just make their minds up what they want to believe on the basis of what they see.
How about that for an idea?
It's way too simple and not nearly manipulative enough.
No, they're not interested in that because they have their team to support.
And so this is what we're dealing with.
And, you know, if we stay with Musk for a second, and I could talk about him for hours, really, given the research I've done on him, but...
He's got these companies, and one of them is SpaceX.
And if you look at the background to SpaceX, he went on a trip to Russia with a CIA operative called Michael Griffith.
And bizarre as it may sound, the idea was to buy intercontinental ballistic missiles from the Russians.
The deal didn't work out.
And on the way back, Musk is reported by Griffin to have said that he's going to start SpaceX.
And he offered Griffin, the CIA guy, a major job in the company.
But instead of that, Griffin was offered a job, which he took, as head of In-Q-Tel.
In-Q-Tel is the CIA's technological development arm.
It seed funds companies and startups to produce technology that benefit the CIA and its surveillance and control systems, right?
In-Q-Tel. Michael Griffin later moved from In-Q-Tel To become head of NASA. And at that point, NASA started giving big contracts to Musk and SpaceX, which have gone on ever since.
And Trump has endorsed the space mission for NASA and everything, too.
So there's another link there.
This is the thing, you see, if you look at the Trump thing, the number of people in this AI arena That are pushing this AI agenda, that have actually formed around Trump.
I mean, I've been blocked by so many people on Twitter, of many various kinds, for questioning.
But one of them is a guy called Mark Anderson, who's a multi-billionaire kind of...
Internet, Silicon Valley, AI guy.
I mentioned him in the book, but I've never mentioned him on Twitter, but he just banned me.
And interestingly, he blocked me.
But interestingly, he blocked me at the time that J.D. Vance was being made the running mate of Trump.
And I was pointing out a few things about J.D. Vance at the time.
He is a business associate of a guy called Peter Thiel.
Peter Thiel is a co-founder of Palantir.
Palantir produces surveillance and control technology for the Pentagon, for the intelligence community in America and worldwide.
And he's on the steering committee of the Bilderberg Group.
This globalist organization.
And he's a business partner and associate of J.D. Vance.
And he funded J.D. Vance's political career when he became a senator.
And when they were playing around with names, who's going to be Trump's running mate, and they listed the names, and one of them was J.D. Vance, I said it's going to be him.
It was obvious because...
Might have been the only one because I don't feel like his name was on the radar.
Yeah, well, Peter Thiel was on the transition team for Trump when he won the election in 2016.
So all these people are connected.
Peter Thiel is part of the so-called PayPal mafia of which Elon Musk is a part.
He's an old associate of Elon Musk.
And so you then look at another co-founder of Palantir, providing technology for the intelligence community and what have you, the Pentagon.
And he's on the steering committee of the Bilderberg Group alongside Peter Thiel.
So you've got these people who are central players in a blatantly globalist organisation started in 1954 at the Bilderberg Hotel in Oosterbeek, Holland.
That's why it got the name it did.
But they're funding and supporting people who on the surface are anti-globalist.
So what you've got, again, we come back to this.
You've got the hard sell, easy pushback, no pushback.
And you've got the soft sell.
And the soft sellers are everywhere around Trump for this whole AI agenda.
So if we go back again to SpaceX...
SpaceX is putting up, because of this system they call Starlink, they're putting up low-orbit satellites by the tens of thousands.
The Federal Communications Commission in America has given SpaceX permission already to put up tens of thousands of these low-orbit satellites beaming this electromagnetic field at the Earth.
Because this is what I'm saying is going on.
The hive mind, and this is why I mentioned earlier that what he's doing with Neuralink is the Stone Age compared with what's possible.
And in many ways, what Musk's role is, is not just to produce technology that's cutting edge, Very rare that he does that, actually, compared with what's in the underground bases and the secret projects.
But it's to sell a concept.
So he's selling the concept of connecting electronic systems, computer systems, and AI to the human brain.
Because the real way it's being done is this.
And I've seen some...
Some study papers this very day that's actually another confirmation of it.
And that is that you've got a global population and you want to control them with a hive mind that is centrally controllable.
So you need them to individually receive that hive mind, and you need a vehicle to transmit directions, thoughts, perceptions collectively to those receivers.
So the vehicle is what they call the cloud.
This is what Kurzweil at Google has been talking about in terms of the AI connection to the human brain.
He's talking about connecting humans to the cloud.
I mean, I've had a service on my phone for a decade now that sends a frequency that helps you get to a higher frequency because of the EMFs and everything that come off the phone.
And so while you're talking about getting plugged into AI, they can affect us from a frequency standpoint
without an actual transmitter inside of the body.
So, I mean, I don't know if you ever saw the show Westworld, but the end of that ended with showing
how they can literally control the masses with frequency and that the tower that's doing it
is invisible to the naked eye unless you thin that veil enough
for you change your frequency to be able to see.
And you're like, there it is. And they're the crazy ones.
Exactly. And that's the whole basis of it.
So the cloud is the vehicle.
The electromagnetic cloud is the vehicle for delivering these frequencies.
And this is why they have tried so hard to have the fake COVID vaccine, which is not a vaccine by any previous criteria, infused into every human, preferably multiple times.
Well, alongside of that came 5G, which was definitely a suspicion on what was implanted inside the body that could then be activated by 5G. Well, that's the point, you see.
I mean, you know, during the COVID lockdowns, they said only essential work.
Well, essential work included putting 5G towers all over the place.
And while people were locked away in their homes, they were doing it without any challenge.
What are you doing? What are you doing?
You come out and suddenly there's these 5G towers.
Not that I was locked away in my home.
I wouldn't have it. I went out whenever I wanted to.
But the...
The point is these two are absolutely connected.
So you can generate this cloud from towers in urban areas and towns and cities.
Yeah, you can. But if you're going to hit every inch of the planet, which is what the game is, you've got to do it from space.
And that's what the low-orbit satellites are all about.
I mean, SpaceX is by far the leader in doing it, but there are others as well.
And the more they put up, and you'll see Musk bragging about more of these satellites have gone up on Twitter X. And so that's the vehicle through which they want to deliver these frequencies of perceptual manipulation and control.
But the fake COVID jab, and now they're moving other vaccines to that system on purpose.
Is with this in mind.
Just adding, you're saying adding ingredients or adding things into that vaccine.
What's been found, and I've I've studied this a lot.
You know, I was contacted by a group called La Quinta Columna in Spain that was on the case of what's in the fake vaccine vials from the very early days.
And I've seen the work of other people, too, who've looked at blood Of not just fake vaccinated people, obviously that's worse, but also non-vaccinated people who are getting it from other sources, which I'll come to.
They are seeing under very, very powerful microscopes, electron microscopes rather, Self-replicating nanotechnology that, in their words, appears to have a form of consciousness to form these systems that are building in the blood.
A significant number of people, their bodies won't be able to cope with that transition.
And they're the people who died and had their health destroyed for life.
And then others will transition a little bit more easily.
But the idea is that these self-replicating systems in the body are the receivers of the frequency information coming through the cloud.
Now, what's fascinating in relation to this And was identified by La Quinta Columna quite a few years ago now.
Is a substance in the vials known as graphene oxide.
Now, graphene oxide is also, whistleblowers have said, in chemtrails.
So there are other, and it's in many other things.
And so there are many other sources of it.
But this infusion through the COVID vaccine is the major one up to this point.
And graphene oxide is a superconductor of electricity.
So when you think that the brain processes information electrically and communicates with the body and the body with it electrically, if you can intervene in that process, you're already changing the perceptions of people and the way they process information.
But it's also, graphene oxide, an amplifier of electromagnetism in the body.
So if you are in contact with an electromagnetic field, the impact of that field on the body will be much greater with graphene oxide inside you than if you didn't.
And this is the connection That they're working on.
And interestingly, you know, this Neuralink of Musk, where they take a bit of the skull away and then put wires on the brain and stuff, it's the Stone Age, but it's selling a concept.
And interestingly, he was asked in an interview But how many people are going to want to have a bit of their skull taken away for this stuff?
And he said, oh, well, you might not have to do it that way.
You could do it through the vein.
Yeah, like they are with the COVID vaccine.
I mean, they put vaccines in food now.
They found a way to put it in lettuce and tomatoes.
Exactly! And the thing is that...
What happens when they don't have to divulge it?
When they don't have to disclose it within the packaging?
Like, what happens when that happens?
Yeah, well, you know, we've been consuming an enormous amount of absolute crap for a very long time, but we've seen nothing yet with the scale of technological manipulation that we're seeing now.
Because this is the point.
I've been calling the body a biological computer since the 1990s.
People think biological means natural, not necessarily.
And I'll tell you what these people see biological as.
They see it as a form of technology.
And if you look at papers by Moderna talking about their fake vaccine, they describe the body and they describe their fake vaccine as like an operating system.
They know that the body is a biological computer.
And they treat it as such.
And as a biological computer, it can be manipulated, as computers can be manipulated, to process information in a different way.
And what you can do is control the information that is processed.
That's the censorship and where we are now and where we've been.
But you go to the next level and you are literally changing the way the brain processes information from within and indeed from without through this cloud.
So this is where it's going.
And the reason I spend so much time calling out Musk is because he's fundamental in this sales pitch to those that actually don't want this.
But this is the thing.
One of the great Manipulative techniques is to sell the idea of inevitability.
Because if you think something's inevitable, then you move from not having it to, well, how can we mitigate its impact?
Right? And so that's where Musk and this crowd around Peter Thiel are going, to sell the idea it's inevitable and therefore We've got to mitigate its impact.
And that's the soft sell to the same end.
Do you think that we then are here to evolve?
Because the question would be then, if you do, maybe we're enough.
Maybe our consciousness and our potential that is somewhat largely untapped, maybe there's nothing to do.
Maybe the evolution, maybe there's nothing to do.
But if we are here to evolve, if we are here to get off planet, to be able to repopulate somewhere else, what happens?
I mean, you know, I've spoken to Randall Carlson and other people who talk about how many things are coming at this planet from asteroids to destroy us.
Like, the inevitability of destruction is there.
So then, how do we evolve?
What is that next step?
Because I think this stuff is frightening.
I think consciousness is the pure potentiality and that when you tap into a system, you are now limited by only the system.
I'm on board with that, but what is the next step?
How do we evolve as humans if that is our goal?
Where do we go? What do we do?
What do we become? Well, we've already gone into levels that the mainstream alternative media doesn't deal with very much.
But let's now go into levels it doesn't deal with at all.
The levels where the answers lie, as well as the true scale of human control.
Are we here to evolve?
No. It's a trap.
Let's look at what the I is.
What we're led to believe and encouraged to believe is that the human body and the labels of the human body is the I. This is who I am.
No, it's what you're experiencing.
What you are is consciousness, the having that experience.
But why are you having the experience?
Look around the world.
Anyone think that humans are evolving?
Really? Some are because they've become conscious beyond the program.
But most people are still stuck in the program.
Look through known human history and see the constant common themes that never change.
Like the vast majority look to the minority authority to tell them what to do and tell them what to do.
Like an ancient Rome mob, you know?
It's the same thing.
I mean, it's... It may have a different historical setting, and it may have different rhetoric, but it's the same story.
And actually, that goes on even when we leave this realm, as I'll come to.
My approach right all the way through this 35 years has been to know that there's one thing that is unquestionable, and that is whatever we think we know at any point, there's always more to know.
So you're constantly asking, okay, I think I get this.
So what don't I know?
And what don't I know?
And what don't I know? And what that does is drive you deeper and deeper and deeper in the rabbit hole instead of walking around the outer rim of the rabbit hole and calling it sussing the conspiracy.
Not even started.
Where that's taken me It took me from around the mid-90s, the mid-1990s, to an understanding.
And this is all through research and experiences that I had and people I met and books that I read, yes, and documents that I saw.
Multiple sources pointing in the same direction.
We have this global cult, a network, a global network of secret societies.
That is driving the direction of human society, way beyond presidents and prime ministers.
Well, you know, when you mentioned presidents in the bushes, I mean, you know, the skull and bones and different secret societies have been, you know, spoken about for some time now.
Yeah, but there is a whole web of them which interconnects.
And I've talked about this in many interviews and in great detail in the books.
What I started to realize as I was researching this in the early 1990s, now I'm seeing bombshell information, new revelation, right?
Okay. And I'm thinking that was, I was writing about that in about 1995, you know.
A lot of this has long been researched and is now being regurgitated and called the latest revelation.
And what that's doing, of course, he's holding the line in this barricade instead of moving on.
I was looking at the way that this global cult worked.
But then I started to realize that these famous now billionaire people, these cultists who were running this cult, although the real people in control are always in the shadows, they were taking part in satanic ritual and human sacrifice ritual.
And I came across all this in detail in the 1990s, met lots of people that had taken part in them, often against their will.
And so the question then was, what are they doing to sacrifice rituals for?
Yeah, exactly.
And then the pennies start to drop and the dots start to connect.
You go back to the ancient world and you see that they were doing sacrifice rituals all over the planet and the different cultures to the gods.
And then there came a point where humans, most of them anyway, reached a point of maturity where they weren't having that anymore.
So it went underground and into secrecy, what we now call Satanism.
You then start to realize that These gods actually exist.
They're not gods at all.
Bunch of Prats, but they're perceived as gods by these people who worship them.
Who are these gods? And you realize that the gods, quote, That these people today, these cultures today, many famous people are doing these rituals to, these sacrificial rituals to, are also the same gods that the ancients were doing rituals to.
So who are these gods?
And, you know, when you really, really want to get to the bottom of what's going on, you have to research so many different subjects.
There's no good... Researching the history of the Republican Party or the Democrat Party, you've got to go much into the nature of reality itself.
A big thing that I think every child should be taught at the first moment they're able to grasp it Is that when you look through your eyes into the space that you appear to be looking at, you're not seeing everything in that space.
You're only seeing a tiny, tiny band of frequency called visible light.
And how tiny is that?
If you take the electromagnetic spectrum, which is basically human reality, Experience reality.
According to mainstream science, that is only 0.005% of what exists in the universe in terms of energy and all its forms.
And visible light is a fraction, a fraction of the 0.005%.
So first of all, why I say children need to know that at the earliest age possible is because that changes everything.
Now you can understand that there are whole worlds, realities that are happening in the same space
that you are operating in, but in different frequency bands
so that you are not affected by them and you cannot see them.
You are affected when those frequency bands are very, very close and can interact.
But the higher frequency bands, well, they're way beyond human perception.
Immediately, you start to understand how people can see a craft or an entity
appear out of nowhere and disappear into nowhere.
Because they've not appeared out of nowhere and disappeared into nowhere so that, you know, people in five-sense reality go, that's ridiculous, that's impossible.
They've entered visible light, and to you, they have appeared out of nowhere.
And they've left visible light, and to you, they've disappeared into nowhere.
It's all about frequency.
So suddenly, when people have said to me over the years, well, you say these non-human entities manipulate in human society, where are they then?
Why can't we see them? Well, the answer is you can hardly see anything, mate.
They operate outside, not far outside, actually, of human perception.
And so what they're doing with these rituals is Is they're interacting with these entities they perceive as their gods.
I've talked to people who've taken part in these rituals, who have described how these entities, often reptilian, but not always in nature, but absolutely non-human, have appeared in these rituals.
Because of the energetic match environment that has been created by the ritual, the Satanists of today, like the ancients, they do these rituals in the same place over and over and over again.
And what this does is thin out the vibrational frequency difference between the two dimensions.
It makes it easier to slip into this one, albeit briefly.
Sure. I mean, even when you look at ancient places in the world, they're stacked on top of each other, positive or negative probably then.
Like churches, you go to ancient Egypt or you go to different places on the planet and they build on top of each other, like as if that location matters.
Back in the 1990s, I... I was invited by the guy who was producing it to go to Canterbury Cathedral in England, a major British cathedral, which goes way, way, way, way back.
It's because he was putting on something called a passion play.
It's basically the Jesus story, but it's played out in cathedrals.
After the cathedral closed to visitors, before the productions died, I had free reign of the place, and I was walking around.
And what they were doing at that time is they were excavating.
They were doing repairs and what have you, and they were excavating deep in the cathedral under the floor.
And what they found was a pagan site.
A pagan site on that site.
And what happened during the replacement of the pagan belief system to the Christian one?
Well, it's one of two things.
Some people put their churches and their cathedrals on these pagan sites because they wanted to suppress the pagan energy.
And others did it, the ones in the know, They put it on these sites because they knew they were energetic vortex sites.
For sure. And what these powerful vortexes do is as they spin, they are basically thinning out and bringing together different dimensions.
This one and one right next to it, they call the astral.
They're spinning them into a To a point where they're not quite fused, but you know what I mean?
And that's why they do these satanic rituals at these vortex points.
And for this reason, churches and cathedrals across the world are built on these points.
And this is the reason that...
Satanists do so much of their horrific ritual in relation to churchyards and churches and stuff.
What are these rituals?
I'm curious what you've heard firsthand from people.
Right. Well, this will explain a lot.
One of the things that I realized just after the turn of the millennium Is that this reality is actually a simulation.
It's an incredibly advanced version of a virtual reality game.
I got that download myself in an experience.
I was sort of shown in a psilocybin experience that I went so far away that the way I had to come back, the first construct that I had to agree to was the mind.
That was the matrix. Yeah.
And I had to buy in.
I had to forget and I had to buy in.
That is something I go into in the reveal, some detail, quoting people who've had the experience that you talk about and other experiences relating to that.
So I realize this is a simulation and I can talk about how it works.
It's very simple to explain how it works.
Let's finish up with that, because I think the real ending is like, what do you do?
So I'd love for you at the end to explain what the matrix is and how we do it.
So, but after.
Yeah, the question was, why the simulation?
Why? Why would they create a simulation to hoodwink our perception of the very reality we're experiencing?
Why would they do that? What's the point?
And this relates to what I've just been saying about the rituals and why they do them.
It's the same thing. There's two types of consciousness, if you like, projection or experience that leaves the body.
There's what they call near-death experiences where the body dies and you find yourself in
another reality. And there's, with the body still alive, the ability to project your consciousness
into this astral dimension that interpenetrates this one, like radio stations and TV stations.
One of the people that popularized these outer-body experiences was a guy called Robert Monroe.
and he became very skilled at it.
And to such an extent that the CIA got interested and put together a group of people that could project their consciousness in this way into the astral and perceive and experience the astral as a result.
And along with Monroe, and they called it the Gateway Process or the Gateway Project.
Is this remote viewing? Is this some of this, the remote viewing stuff that the CIA is?
It's beyond remote viewing, actually.
And interestingly, what they found was...
They developed this, Monroe developed this concept of what he called hemisync, or hemisphere of the brain synchronization.
That if you could synchronize the two hemispheres of the brain into a coherent frequency, Then it was possible to project your consciousness out into the astral.
Well, first of all, in this Gateway project, and this has come from military sources that were involved in it, They saw so many reptilian entities in the astral, these people taking part in this Gateway project, that they gave them the name of the alligators in the project.
Have you seen any alligators?
And the other thing that Robert Monroe said he learned in his astral travels was that there are entities in the astral which are feeding off Low vibrational human emotion and mental energy frequencies.
It's long been known by mainstream science that every time we feel an emotion or have a thought, we generate and project a frequency which relates to the nature of the thought or the emotion.
These entities, by their very nature, are in a very low vibrational state and have no interest whatsoever in joy and happiness and peace and And love, because those frequencies are high frequencies, and they can't absorb them.
Because what he learned, and by the time I read his stuff, I got this from many other sources before, confirmation.
Is that these entities are feeding off, as an energetic sustenance source, human low vibrational emotion, which has to be low vibrational because that's the frequency band they operate in.
Right, right. When you think about frequency in any way, you know that the higher the frequency, the low just doesn't resonate with it at all.
It shatters glass. Yeah, well, exactly.
And so... These entities have created this, and it goes beyond these entities, actually.
That's another story, another time.
But they have created this, quote, matrix, this simulation, to manipulate events, perceptions, perceptions of events, perceptions of experience.
So that it generates this low vibrational energy, which they feed off.
Now, what I realized in these sacrificial rituals, because you're asking the question, obviously, you've got to keep asking questions all the time without any belief system to censor you.
Oh, I can't go there. My belief system will be wrong if I go there.
No, ask the question.
These sacrifices to the gods, okay?
So what do the gods get out of it?
And it's exactly what I'm describing.
What's happening in these sacrificial rituals is that they're designed purposely to build up maximum terror in the victim.
And as this terror is generated by the victim, this very intense, powerful, low vibrational energy...
These entities in the astral are feeding off that energy because, you know, if someone's having an emotional experience, an emotional reaction, or they're thinking something, you can see the body language, especially emotionally. You can see the body language.
Some of us wear it on our face.
Some of our energies are very strong and it's very easy to sense.
So absolutely, we can all relate to that.
But what you can't see are the frequencies coming off people.
Because that's an astral phenomenon.
That's going into the astral, those low vibrational frequencies.
And therefore, these entities, the gods, in the astral are feeding off this energy.
And at the same time, when...
When the terror reaches a certain level, a massive infusion of adrenaline goes into the blood.
And these Satanists conducting the ritual in our reality then drink the blood.
This is where adrenaline comes from.
And so it's usually with children, right?
Yeah, it's usually with children. I mean, when they talked about Sacrificing young virgins to the gods, that's just code for children.
Why children?
Well, because when children go through puberty, we see that in this human reality as a chemical transition, a chemical transformation.
We call it puberty.
That chemical transformation, like everything in our human reality, is an expression of a vibrational transformation.
And these entities want that energy before that transformation.
I mean, of course they can take energy from adults, of course, and they do.
But, I mean, that's the nectar to them.
That's the ideal for them, that they want that prepubescent energy of children.
And so there's many other reasons for it as well, but that's one of them.
So I'm clear.
So the sacrifice is to attract the god, the energy that they want to come into the space, and then the consumption of the blood, of the adrenal chrome, from the adrenaline going into the blood is then what's consumed by the group that's there.
Yeah, that's the difference.
But both are the result of...
terror which they generate in the ritual.
And this is what I say to people, you know, it's been very difficult to get over.
And I don't understand it because most people don't come across this stuff
in everyday life, but it's very difficult to get across to people the scale of pure evil
that we're dealing with.
And I call evil the absence of love.
And these people, these entities have no interest in love.
It's not an energy that they can absorb because they're way out of the frequency of that.
You have this matrix set up I'm wondering how this makes them more powerful.
How does this make those people more powerful?
Well, it empowers them energetically.
You know what I talked earlier about?
Politics is about getting the collective humanity to give its power away to an individual or a few to dictate events for the next four years, five years in some countries.
Well, it's the same thing.
They are leeching, vampiring your energy, and it's empowering them.
And then they recycle that back against you in terms of control and what they do.
When I was looking at this simulated reality, obviously, I wanted to know how it worked.
What makes it easier to explain?
Is that this incredible technological revolution, AI revolution that's going on, computer revolution, is actually technologically mimicking The very way we create the simulation and interact with it.
So you've got the tools now.
My heart goes out to the shamans of the past and people like that who may have got this stuff by their astral travels or whatever.
And then trying to explain it to a...
I mean, how do you explain this stuff to a culture that knows nothing about any of this stuff?
It's so true. So what they were doing was using analogies that related to the culture of the time.
And anthropologists and historians go along and they then take it bloody literally and And think that these people were primitive.
But actually, they were symbolically describing something, which we now can very closely describe very accurately.
So, okay, what the simulation is, is not a construct.
It's an information field.
It's akin to a wifi field.
We interact with it through the human body, the biological computer, and we lock into it via the five senses.
So if you look at a wifi field and a computer, the wifi field contains all the information that The computer locks in to that part of it that it is keyed to connect with, and then it decodes that information field into what we see on the screen.
And what we see on the screen is absolutely nothing like that information in the Wi-Fi field, in the form it's in the Wi-Fi field.
It's been decoded. And so when you say to people, tell me about the internet, and they say, well, it's videos and texts and stuff and all the rest of it.
Well, yes, it is. But the only place it exists in that form is on the screen.
Oh, yeah. Think about a telephone.
It's not like the words are traveling.
I mean, you talk on a telephone, that's just vibration.
Just vibration. It's vibration.
Well, this is interesting. It's vibration that is turned into an electrical signal.
Well, that is exactly what we're doing.
If you look at a headset, a virtual reality headset, that's basically what the body is doing.
The body is decoding the simulation.
So if you go onto the internet and you look at these compilations of people who've put their headset on, and you see that their sense of reality is transformed almost immediately.
They might be in an empty room.
They might be in a room with a few friends.
But it's a room they're used to.
Right. Well, and it's a fully embodied experience.
For me, it's when you have a fully embodied experience, whether it's through plant medicine or an emotion or something significant that happens in your life, fully embodied, you can't unknow it.
But if you look at...
What these headsets, if you look what they're doing, they're tapping into the five senses.
They're tapping into the sight senses, the sound senses and all that stuff.
And they are overriding the normal reality that we would experience.
And they're falling off their chairs, they're screaming, they're shouting because their sense of reality has been overridden.
Sure. They have an emotion and they send the frequency.
It's a whole thing. Yeah, overridden in seconds.
They can take the headset off and realize it's just a game.
But if your headset, your decoding mechanism, is your very biological computer body, then you can't take it off short of either dying, the body dying, not you, or projecting your consciousness into the astral.
Otherwise, what's happening is your computer is decoding the Wi-Fi field, the simulation, and into the reality that we think we're experiencing, which is nothing like what we're actually experiencing.
So again, if you go back to that vibration electrical signal,
if you look at what mainstream science talks about in terms of how the five senses work,
they're picking up frequency information and they're turning it into electrical information,
which they communicate to the brain.
And the brain then forms it into what I say and many others say who've studied this
into a digital holographic form, which is basically a 3D holographic version
of a computer screen.
And that's what we are experiencing as an external reality, when actually it's in here that it's going on.
Just as if you look at a computer, you're observing the screen from outside, okay.
But the decoding is going on inside.
The reality actually is inside, and you're only seeing an external screen vision of it.
What happens in what we call death?
Is that the biological computer ceases to function.
So as soon as you enter this reality, you are experiencing through the body.
The body decoding system is delivering to you a reality that is nothing like actually it really is.
Within this band of frequency in terms of sight sense, called visible light.
And while you're in the body and you're going through life, it's continuing to deliver that reality, that simulation reality.
Your parents have got headsets on, your teachers, your professors, your mates, the news readers, journalists, politicians, workmates, they've all got headsets on, and they're all decoding basically the same reality, basic reality. They perceive it in a different way, depending on them, but their basic reality is the same.
And so everyone's confirming to everyone else that all this is real.
And it's not. It's a decoded illusion, what I call an induced dream.
And so when you leave, when your body ceases to function, death, it ceases to decode the simulation, at which point you find yourself in another reality.
Why? Because your focus of attention is the move.
What we call death is only a transfer of attention.
That's all it is of our consciousness.
But then the next question I had was, okay, I can understand why consciousness might be tricked into this simulation once, but you've only got to travel around the world.
I've been to 60-odd countries, most of them in the last 35 years, but I can't go to many now because I'm banned from loads of them.
Oh, yeah, I'm banned from nearly 30 European countries and Australia, plus a lot more if I try to get in them.
It must be something I'm saying.
I do hope so. Funnily enough, all those people in the center of the big names in the alternative media, they can travel anywhere and they're still on YouTube.
I was off YouTube in April 2020 when I exposed the COVID hoax and what have you.
The Epstein list is still clean.
I must be saying something different to them to cause me to have all these...
Deletions and bans when they don't have them.
And we're getting into this whole arena now of what that information is.
So I traveled around the world and the vast majority of people in this world are not having a good time.
They're having a very bloody hard time.
They're trying to survive another day.
And so...
The question I had was, I can understand consciousness being tricked, manipulated into entering this reality.
But why did they come back?
Because by this time it was obvious to me that reincarnation was real.
I go into this in detail in the reveal.
You know, when you see the evidence of young kids Who I've described previous lives that they could never have known about, in locations they could never have known about, with people they could never have known about.
I mean, that's essentially the story of the Buddha, too.
That's how they find it. Yeah, but when they've been checked out, the stories, they've found to be incredibly accurate in detail.
There's a story that I tell in the In the reveal where there was a psychiatrist, an American-Canadian psychiatrist called Ian Stevenson, who came across some of this stuff and then made it a life's work, basically.
And he studied thousands and thousands of these reports.
And then went and checked them out.
And what he was trying to do was debunk them.
Not because he wanted to debunk them, but that was his focus.
I'm going to do everything I can to debunk this, to see if it stands up to scrutiny.
And he found extraordinary correlations between what small kids were saying We're good to go.
And he said the boy was talking to the, quote, former wife as if she was still his wife.
And then the wife said, we never found your will.
If you're who you said you say you are, we never found your will.
Where's the will? And he went over to a floorboard in the kitchen and pointed at it, and they took the floorboard up, and there was the will.
You know, so, and there's so many of these stories.
It's clear to me that reincarnation is real.
But what I didn't buy, going back to something.
What I didn't buy, like I say, something you mentioned earlier, is that we come here to evolve and learn lessons.
I think that's total tosh.
Tell me what lessons the kids in Gaza are currently learning.
It's ludicrous. Oh, I've been cut up by a serial killer and I've been left in a fridge.
Oh, it's a great lesson. Really fantastic.
You know, it's ludicrous.
What all these things do is produce enormous, fantastic amounts of what...
What Robert Monroe called louche, i.e.
this low vibrational emotional mental energy.
That's what is happening all around us all the time in conflict and war and suffering and bombing and hunger and desperation.
And that's the reason to produce this bloody energy.
It's not to evolve. I started looking at near-death experiences, and I've watched and read enormous numbers of these near-death experience accounts, and they are very, very common in theme.
What I found interesting is talking to people Who remember the incarnation process.
And again, they're very common in what they say.
Who somehow have not had the mind wiped like everyone else does as part of coming into the matrix.
Because when you come into this field, you have to have your mind wiped because then you start with a blank sheet of paper.
You're bloody clueless. You don't know who you are, where you are.
That's the idea.
Because if you were having life after life and you remembered it while you were experiencing a human life, you'd know what was bloody going on.
Right, right. So one of the things that I found interesting is when people are talking about this astral dimension, They talk about it in like physical terms.
It's not the dense physicality that we have, but it's a form of physicality.
And also how the incarnation process is very technological.
I go into this in the book and quote people who describe this.
And one of them talks about how She remembers coming into this reality and passing through an electromagnetic field as she entered.
The density of it, the coming down, the density of that, the physical experience of that.
Yeah, the density of this reality, the human reality, is described in terms of being almost impossible to experience.
Right. I've heard that too.
But also that this lady was talking about how she passed through this electromagnetic field that is designed to wipe your mind as you come in.
It's like, remember those old tapes where you used to rub them over an electromagnetic magnet?
And it would wipe them and you could use them again.
That kind of principle.
When people were talking about when they left the body in a near-death experience, They described how it was just amazing, like nothing they'd ever experienced before.
There was a bliss, a love I'd never experienced before.
And you go, well, hold on a minute.
You obviously believe in reincarnation.
Oh, yeah, yeah. So why haven't you?
What do you mean you've not experienced it before?
You must have experienced it loads and loads of times.
But because of the mind wipe, when you leave the body, that mind wipe is still in place.
And they want you up this...
Tunnel with a light at the end or a light or however it's symbolized.
And of course, we are told in the world of human to relate the light to God.
And so when we leave, you go to the light and you're in the wheel of samsara, as the Buddhists talk about.
The reincarnation cycle.
And you come back here in another form with a different personality program.
And the whole thing keeps happening.
And for me, if we talk about what we can do about this, and this is the level we need to talk about, not whether Trump or Harris is going to be president and you're going to have the hard sell or the soft sell to the same end.
This is the key to human freedom or consciousness freedom in what we call humans.
For me, there's three levels that are very different.
First of all, there's the human body, which allows us to interact with this dense human reality frequency band.
Our consciousness is vibrating so fast That, you know, if it was just consciousness and consciousness alone, I couldn't tap these keys because they're different frequency.
So we take on this outer shell of the same frequency band that we want to interact with, and then I can tap the keys.
But my consciousness is what is experiencing that.
So then you leave the body.
And you enter this astral realm.
Now, this astral realm also requires an outer shell to interact with so that the two can interact.
And I say that's what we call the soul.
And so this conspiratorial matrix group would like you just to believe that there's no life after death and we're just a cosmic accident, you know, and that's the end of it.
That's what they'd like you to believe ideally.
But they know that most people won't.
And so religion talks about a soul and what have you.
And in many ways that's preparing you for the wheel of samsara.
So they're not really bothered if you believe you have a soul, because that's still in the matrix, because this astral level is part of this simulation.
It's what people call the spirit world or the afterlife and what have you.
But it's still in the matrix.
And I go into this in detail in the reveal.
There's another level of self-identity.
That's what it is, self-identity in the end, which is what I call spirit.
Where you identify with being pure consciousness, a state of being aware, pure awareness, no form, no body, no any of this stuff, but pure consciousness.
And the difference between the frequency that you operate at in a human body that believes the five-sense world is real and the level that you experience at a soul level in the astral afterlife and the frequency you operate at with a self-identity of being pure consciousness.
Very different.
Completely different.
Yeah. First two frequencies will keep you in the matrix.
Right. One will keep you here.
One will keep you in the astral, so you come back here.
The other will take you way out and to hell with all this nonsense.
It's over. I mentioned earlier that if you look back through history, there's a constant common theme that Where the many look to the few to tell them what to think and tell them what to do.
So common. When if they just collectively refuse to do that, then the few have no power at all.
But it's the same.
If you look at the dynamic between the human experience and the astral experience, they're the same in this sense.
The astral is obviously a lot less dense.
That's why it feels like heaven.
A lot compared with this, but it's a lot less dense, yes.
But the dynamic is the same.
So most people in the human life are looking to authority to tell them what to think.
They're looking to experts, doctors, scientists, tell me what to think.
And then when you leave the body, not least because this mind wipe is still in place, you listen to these near-death experiences and when they leave the body, they find themselves with spirit guides or religious heroes.
If you're a Christian, you'll see this.
If you're a Muslim, you'll see some Islamic hero and what have you and so on and so forth.
You might see loved ones.
I go into what they really are in the reveal.
And basically, because you're in a state of confusion, mind wipe, you follow them.
And one of the common, common, common themes of near-death experience accounts is the life review.
Where they say that they watch their life played back to them, while elders, you know, wise men with beards and guns, kind of went through their life with them.
And, you know, you hear near-death experiences all the time saying, there's no judgment in the afterlife.
Well, hold on a minute.
I've been listening, reading to what you said happened, and they're bloody total judgment.
Right. That's a different level, though.
To me, that's a different level.
They're getting you to judge yourself.
The point I'm making, however...
Is that as in the human body, people look to authority figures to tell them what to think and what to do and what to believe.
In the astral, the same process goes on.
On a more tricky level because it's with a shaman or it's with your father or with a loved one.
All that stuff. And I explained in the reveal how they do this.
The whole simulation is run by AI, an AI on a level that is way beyond even what we see in the public arena today.
And a lot of this astral AI is what's coming into the human frequency band and transforming it.
And turning it into a complete AI control system.
The point is, though, that you can get out of all this so long as you change your self-identity from the identities they give you.
Here, it's you're just a human and you're the labels of a human life.
That's who you are. Or you're subordinate to some judgmental God who loves you.
Or in the astral, oh, well, you're here to learn lessons, and oh, yes, oh, you've got your karma, and oh, you're going to go back and pay back your karma, and all this stuff.
It's nonsense.
You know, the thing is, it's not a little bit bloody nonsense.
It's all nonsense.
The whole thing is a bloody trick.
So what's the way out then? Right.
And we have the capacity to leave the trap so long as we leave the perceptual states that they infuse into us.
And look at a maverick.
What happens to mavericks in a human life?
They are marginalized.
They're strange.
They're dangerous. They're ridiculed.
Yeah. Because they are the ones that have started to see it.
That's why they act differently to the program that everyone else acts out.
Right. And the whole thing is to control perception.
Absolutely. The stadium in which human control and astral control is played out is control
of perception and that will take it back. And we can. But if we don't just stop falling
for belief systems.
Right. So what's your advice then for people to be able to have more autonomy of their reality and be able to ship their perception and have the opportunity to live a life that is not in that negative downward spiral of frequency where you're being siphoned by Outside entities, but where you get over that hump, where you start to spiral in a more positive, higher frequency direction, what is the first big step that everyone should take?
Well, I think there's one big step.
Self-identity.
That's it. You know, I've seen all the gurus and the new age teachers and people like that.
And a lot of them tend to complicate things and make it sound complicated.
You go on a quest or you do this and you drink green tea.
I can't stand green tea, but I've got no problem with people who do that.
But what I'm saying is it's much simpler than that.
Self-identity. If you identify with the labels of a human life that are given to you, then you identify with limitation immediately.
You're identifying with the realm of the five senses, the illusory physical, the holographic realm in which virtually everything seems impossible.
Because of the perceived physicality.
If you perceive that you are still under the control of these afterlife entities helping you to evolve, well, you are identifying with another level of the trap.
If you, and you can do it in a human body, you can do it any time, you can do it now if you want.
You move your self-identity from the labels of a human life.
You even move them from the idea of soul, the incarnate soul.
And you start to, not conceptually, that's just an intellectual exercise.
You perceive yourself to be, and the more you do that, the more it ingrains into you and integrates into you.
You perceive yourself to be just consciousness, all consciousness, a unique expression of infinite possibility.
That is pure consciousness, pure awareness.
Everything else is just an experience for that consciousness.
It's not you.
It's not real.
It's what you're experiencing.
And that takes you into...
What it does is it starts to remove you from the drama.
If you look at what keeps you in the matrix...
It's drama. I mean, this is how I've always looked at politics.
I'm like, oh, it's just, it's just like, get the popcorn and watch, man.
It's just, it's just distraction.
Or like you'd look at television at night and you see people standing on stage with ridiculous costumes on and you're just like, oh my God, this is just a distraction.
That's exactly right.
You know, what happens is instead of being an actor on the stage, you're in the audience just observing it.
Yeah. You step back.
It doesn't mean you don't do what you can.
My goodness, I can't be accused of not doing that.
But you become the observer.
And I'll finish on this.
But, you know, there's two types of dream.
Because I say this is an induced dream.
There's two types of dream.
There's the dream which you believe is real.
And that pulls you in emotionally and mentally.
You can wake up in a sweat and say, I've had a...
But there's another kind of dream.
I call it lucid dream, do they call it?
Where you know it's a dream.
You're having a dream, but you know it's a dream.
And you're observing the dream.
You're not caught in it.
And you're not emotionally affected by it.
And you're not mentally affected by it.
You wake up, you say, well, I've had a very vivid dream.
Which I knew was a dream when I was having it.
And what happens is when you move out of this myopia of self identity and this myopia of perceiving the world and you start to expand your self identity, Then what you're doing, as a matter of course, is you are, as your self-identity expands, you're expanding deeper and deeper and deeper into this infinite realm of consciousness.
So you're seeing things, you're understanding things, you're getting insights that you never were there.
Like with this tiny little, tiny little vocal point.
You widen it out.
I think that's incredible advice and I think for myself that's been one of the most helpful tools as well.
And it's not because I set out to do that, but as a byproduct of work, I realized that
I could get above the situation.
Almost like you become more seated in the consciousness as opposed to in like a non-player
character essentially like in it.
I call it in it.
If you can just get above it and see it as just things happening, then you don't get
the charge and you don't send that energy charge off that they're looking for you to
do with the drama and with everything that pulls you down.
You're above it, your frequency stays high, and essentially you can then have an existence
that feels much more peaceful.
Exactly. Years ago, when I was a journalist, I used to wake up in the morning and put the radio on, listen to what the latest news was, and I'd often fall back to sleep.
Yeah. I would have vivid dreams.
Because it's coming in.
And when I woke up, the vivid dream related to the story being run on the radio.
Oh, wow. Yeah. Well, there's programming.
You're always awake.
Yeah. But the point is, that was an induced dream.
It was an induced dream, induced by information that I was getting.
Yeah, clean up your environment.
And that's what the Matrix is.
It's an induced dream.
And we don't have to believe it's real.
Because if we do, the Matrix has you.
That's right. Wow, David, thank you so much.
You've been at this for so very long, as you say, 35 years, and I'm grateful for that.
And I'm glad that over time, especially in the more recent handful of years, that people like you that have been brave and have stood the course are not looked at as being quite so crazy, but absolutely informational.
And at the very least, just opening people's minds up to another way of thinking.
And I would just live to be happier.
That's my ultimate goal. So thank you.
Thank you. And I would just say this to people, finally.
If a world that's utterly insane doesn't see you as crazy, it's time to ask why.
Yeah, well, there's been a lot of crazy things that have happened lately.
So appropriate to say.
Thank you. Thank you.
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