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Sept. 26, 2024 - David Icke
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The Way Of Will John Podcast - David Icke
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David Icke, it is a pleasure.
How's it going?
Very good.
It's a pleasure to talk to, I was going to say a fellow professional footballer, but you still are, and I wasn't long ago, but it's amazing.
We were just chatting before, and it's amazing how, you know, if you've played football, especially professionally, it's like, you know, you've got a language you speak, haven't you?
You know what I mean?
There's this point of connection with anybody who's played professional football.
Totally, totally, yeah.
Especially, I mean, I've played all over the place, and I mean, being an American that's played most of his career in Europe, it's a whole wild experience, you know, because I started in the MLS, and I've seen that grow now, and you know, all to what it is now, and coming over here, it's just, it's wild.
And the world is different, obviously.
Much so, from when I started to now, which is why you are here.
Yeah.
Well, I'll tell you what, the world's a heck of a lot different to when I played in the 1960s, early 70s, and when I was born in the 50s, 1950s.
My goodness, mate, what a different world it is now.
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Well, how do we make sense of that?
Because, you know, I've seen plenty of your videos.
I've been watching your videos for years and years and years.
And it's a dream come true, obviously, to be able to ask you some of my own questions.
And I know you've endured and you've talked at length about the amount of ridicule and things that you've had to go through only to be proven right.
In so many different cases, and that's the world we live in today when so many people are awakening.
And so I want to just maybe start this off with today is going to be the debate, the first debate between Trump and Kamala Harris.
And American politics being what it is, has a large effect on the world.
Could you maybe just give us an understanding of where we're at?
in the world with current events and how you see this potentially playing out over the next two to three months?
Well, you know, I've always worked on the premise that whatever I know, there's always more to know.
And if you don't do that, then you can start to solidify into an eddy going round and round, where you think, oh, I've got it now, I can see what's going on.
But there's always more to know.
And so over the years, I've started off looking at, in the early 90s, at who really runs the world?
Is it the presidents and politicians and prime ministers?
Well, no, it's not.
You don't have to dig very deep to see that's not the case.
And then it's moved on and on and on and on and on.
And the picture has got bigger and bigger and bigger.
And I've just got a new book out called The Reveal.
which is the third of a trilogy of The Trap, The Dream and The Reveal, which I call the Reality Trilogy.
And that is so deep in the rabbit hole and the scale it's bringing together that it basically dwarfs politics.
And I think, you know, one of the things that I've been pushing back on in the last year, two years, is the way that the alternative media arena has solidified, I say hijacked since Covid, but it's solidified into right-wing politics.
So there was a time when it was understood by most people in the alternative media anyway, pre-Covid this was, that It doesn't matter.
This is a phrase I heard many times when I was traveling America in the 1990s talking to nobody.
It doesn't matter who you vote for, the government still gets in.
So what's happened is that understanding that we live in a one-party state masquerading as political choice has regressed into Trump good, Harris bad.
Now, I don't buy that at all.
I mean, I think Kamala Harris is a joke figure, and she's very much part of this appalling, disastrous Biden administration.
But, you know, if you're in a one-party state, then that means you control both parties in terms of America, not just the one.
And my... One of the phrases that I've used over the years is Know the outcome and you'll see the journey.
And so if you can uncover what the planned outcome is, then you can see the journey towards it day by day in events and changes and new legislation and such like.
And if you do that in terms of American politics, you see the outcome is for a deeply controlled, fundamentally controlled, dystopian society.
I mean, that's planned globally, not just in America.
In which, ultimately, and not too far from now either, you know, this is not some time over the rainbow, the connection of artificial intelligence to the human brain, the human mind.
And so, the one-party state looks at this And it says, OK, well, on the so-called left in politics, which is absolutely not the left that I grew up in, in England in the 1950s and 60s, very different, what we call woke these days, which is not the left wing politics that I remember.
That is pretty much a pushover.
to start to move and indeed move very quickly towards this dystopian, technocratic, transhumanist society where people fuse with machines.
The problem that one party state has is that there's a great number of people, we're talking about America now, but it's the same across the world, but in America, basically they would support Trump.
And they need to be dealt with in a different way, because everything in the end is perception.
Control of perception.
You control perception, you control behavior.
Control behavior or mass, you control human society.
And so their perception of going towards this transhumanist, connected-to-AI society needs to be dealt with differently.
And so what you have with the woke side, the left side, is basically the hard sell of your Klaus Schwab's at the World Economic Forum and Bill Gates and all these people that say, well, you know, and Ray Kurzweil at Google, this so-called futurist, who said that by, I said some years ago now, That by 2030, they'll be connecting the human brain to artificial intelligence.
And once that connection is made, artificial intelligence will do more and more of human thinking until human thinking is, as we know it, is negligible.
That's what he's actually said.
And he's articulating the plan there.
But his sales pitch, of course, is that if we fuse with artificial intelligence, we'll be gods.
Everyone will be slaves to whatever artificial intelligence tells us we've got to think and emotionally feel.
So you have that hard sell.
So how do you deal with, what, 70-odd million people more, probably, in America that don't want that?
Well, you do it by bringing into the game a bloke called Elon Musk.
I've been following Elon Musk, tracking Elon Musk for a very long time, long before he bought SwitchFX.
And his companies are ticking every box of this dystopian agenda, not least SpaceX, for reasons we might come to, and of course Neuralink, with the connection to the human brain of computer, electrical, AI connections.
And so there were some people in the alternative media, before we bought Twitter, who were seeing this and they started calling out for pushing this transhumanist agenda.
And then he bought Twitter X and it stopped.
And now he's a god.
Now he's a free speech hero.
And what is he doing?
He's giving the soft sell to the same end.
And this is why, you know, Trump-Harris is a diversion in a way, in a big way, because it's which side of the one party state do you want to support this time?
And in another four years, you'll get the chance, maybe, to support another side of the one-party state, but it's still a one-party state.
So the soft sell is this.
It's Elon Musk saying, first of all, that AI could be the end of humanity, as we know it.
True, that's the idea, to take away what we now consider to be human thought and emotional response.
So what does he say?
Well, look.
AI is inevitable, right?
It's going to happen.
Well, of course, it's happening because of human decisions.
Low-orbit satellites are being put up there in fantastic number by SpaceX, others, but SpaceX overwhelmingly, thanks to decisions made by the Federal Communications Commission.
And these low-orbit satellites are firing this cloud, as they call it, this electromagnetic field, which is expanding all the time as more satellites go up.
And this is fundamentally part, for reasons I'll come to I'm sure, to this AI connection to the human mind and human perception.
So he's saying it's inevitable.
The FCC could have made other decisions and said no, you can't do it.
And so because it's inevitable, and of course, AI is getting on and on and getting more and more intelligent, and it's going to pass human intelligence, the singularity, they call it.
And so, well, if we don't fuse with AI, then humans are going to die out.
So that's the soft cell that is pulling in more and more of the people that really don't want it.
But the thing to keep asking is what's the outcome?
And the outcome of the hard cell is the human brain is connected to AI, and the outcome of the soft cell is the human brain is connected to AI.
And it's a different pitch to different perceptual groups.
So the pitch to the woke Harris, if you like, quote, left, is different to the pitch of the Trump group, but the outcome is the same.
And this is why, in the last few weeks, Elon Musk has gone from making endless comments.
I mean, he says that 80% of his time he's done engineering and designing.
Right.
Well, no, 80% of his time, if he's actually posting it, he's on Twitter.
It's like machine And suddenly there was a switch.
He was making comments and all that stuff, but he was not being overtly political.
And then suddenly he becomes very, very political for Trump and against Harris.
And you know, they say that, and it's true.
That people like Mark Zuckerberg at Facebook are manipulating elections by the algorithms and what they allow to be seen and what is suppressed.
And he very much was involved in the manipulation of the last election, which Biden was supposedly won.
But what Musk now is doing with Twitter X is exactly the same.
He's fundamentally using that platform as a Trump support machine and an anti-Harris operation.
I mean, I look at this every day and I see it.
It's blatant now.
It's almost hysterically blatant.
And then you've got these other people like Peter Thiel.
Peter Thiel is an AI guy.
He was the first private investor in Facebook, made a fortune out of that.
He started an organization, a company called Palantir, which provides surveillance equipment and technology for the Pentagon and for the American intelligence network, plus foreign networks as well.
And he is on the steering committee of the Bilderberg Group, which is what they call a globalist organization.
It wants this world government dystopia.
Been exposing that for decades.
It started in 1954.
It used to be Holland at the Bilderberg Hotel, hence the name.
And so he is a funder of the political career of J.D.
Vance.
He's also a business associate of J.D.
Vance.
He's also a business associate of Vivek Ramaswamy.
J.D.
Vance, of course, became the running mate of Trump, and Ramaswamy is a massive Trump sycophant and supporter.
And when in a few weeks ago, a few months ago now, I suppose, in the summer, they were knocking names around for who was going to be the running mate of Trump and J.D.
Vance came up, because I knew the background and the connections to Teal, who was on the Trump transition team in 2016 when he won the election, I knew it was going to be J.D.
Vance.
They were going to pick and they picked.
That's what they picked.
And so there is a significant group of people around Trump, Musk, Teal and others that are absolutely part of this AI-human fusion agenda.
And it's the soft sell that's coming along to trap and convince people it's the only way to save humanity is to do what the hard sell also wants.
And so when I look at it from that perspective, I see a puppet show.
I see a vaudeville show.
And, you know, the outcome is planned to be the same whoever wins.
Obviously, the emphasis now is on Trump, but who knows?
But it's so far, this whole question of Trump or Harris, the same in every other country.
It's so far from actually the scale of the human dystopia that it's almost laughable.
But of course, the mainstream alternative media, which gets all the algorithmic support and all the promotion, all the funding, my God, we've seen the funding some of them get, $100,000 a week, some of them are being paid, at the center core of this alternative media, which has been seriously hijacked since COVID, like I say, And that is focusing attention on the myopia of American politics, because the alternative media has basically become right-wing politics at its center core.
That's all it's become.
It's been a hijack.
And what I've been shouting about, as best I can, is, hey, it's not just about that.
It's much, much bigger.
And out there, this much, much bigger, is not only where you find the true scale of human control and the absolute foundation of human control, way beyond politics, it's also where you find the answers to human control.
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That's actually where I want to go, is because, like you said, it's become clear to most people in the world, America especially as well, That they're waking up to the show that is politics and this idea that this is a distraction between Trump and Harris and whoever gets in, doesn't matter.
They will push their agenda.
I want to move to who is truly in charge.
I've had some really interesting guests over the last, let's say a couple months.
I've had Dr. Steven Greer, if you're that name.
We just had Greg Braden just last week, who mentioned, you know, speaking about very similar things as you.
And a question that I didn't ask him because he wasn't as qualified as you are, which is, Who is leading this charge?
And maybe, correct me if I'm wrong, maybe this is also part of the question that got you into a whole lot of the trouble with this group and elite by trying to understand who exactly, whether that come from a metaphysical standpoint or just here on Earth in this 3D physical world.
Because if the CIA, for instance, just to name one group of CIA, FBI, whatever elite group you want to name, three-letter agency, are controlling the assets to some of this.
For us common people, I want to understand who is getting to say, go do this, go do that.
If it's a puppet show, who's controlling the puppets?
Yeah, well, that's obviously a key question.
And, you know, I do shake my head when I see some of these, quote, new stars of the alternative media that have come in since COVID from the mainstream, overwhelmingly, who are saying that they don't know who's coordinating this.
Well, read my bloody books from 25 years ago.
The story is out there, it's just that it's A. too much for so many people to grasp that it could be true because of the programming.
Because the programming of human perception is basically myopia programming.
If you can squeeze people's sense of the possible Then you've got them to a large extent, because when people come along like me and say this is happening and this is how they're doing it, it's so far out of their sense of the possible that they just reject it by reflex action.
No looking at evidence, no research, it's just too far out of their sense of the possible, so it can't be true.
And it's quite, you know, I'm not saying depressing, but it's disappointing to hear all these people getting all this algorithmic support funding, who are saying, well, we don't really know who's... They talk about the deep state.
Well, you know, deep state, what's that?
It's a global agenda.
So it's obviously not just the deep state in America.
What happened is in the early 1990s, all that time ago, I was focusing on who ran the world at the level that we experience.
And I kind of uncovered that.
And then the whole approach of, well, whatever I know, there's always more to know.
You ask more questions, because you know, at any point, you don't know all there is to know, and all you need to know.
So you keep pushing on.
And so, if I start with the way that the world that we see and experience is controlled, and then go deeper in the rabbit hole to where it's all coming from, I mean, that might be a good way to do it.
What I call the global cult, which is the network, the global network of secret societies that's orchestrating global events.
Not the source of them, the orchestrator of them.
That is a network of secret societies, which if you visualize the planet with a spider's web around it, it's a very good way of symbolizing it.
And in the middle of the spider's web is the spider, as I call it, and the spider we'll come to in a sec.
But immediately around the spider are the strands in the web that are the most exclusive secret societies.
Those people won't be on public display.
If people are on public display like Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, whatever, then they're gophers.
They might be rich gophers, they might be powerful gophers over those below them in the hierarchy, but to those above, they're gophers.
And the ones above, they're in the shadows.
They don't put themselves, like I say, on public display.
And then you come out from the spider and you come out from those exclusive secret societies, you move into the secret societies we do know, which is the Freemasons.
And when I say that, I mean the inner core, not, you know, Bill and Joe down the Lodge.
Then you've got the Knights Templar, you've got the Knights of Malta, the Opus Dei, the inner core of the Jesuit Order.
There's many of these secret societies that we know about, but we don't know what they're orchestrating and whether they should do some deeper search.
They're just secret societies keeping secrets.
What secrets?
And then it should come out through that hidden part of the web.
You hit what I call the cusp and that's where you meet the organizations who are, they're kind of semi-secret compared with the secret societies because they put themselves really on public display, or most of them do anyway.
Not all.
And their job is to take the agenda coming from the spider, coming through the secret society network in the hidden, and play it out in the public arena in changes in society, through governments, corporations, World Health Organization, World Trade Organization, the United Nations, and so on.
And at this cusp, you find the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab, you find the Bilderberg Group, a steering committee member being Peter Thiel, and also his fellow co-founder of this Palantir surveillance operation technology company, Palantir, a guy called Alex Karp, who is also not only a co-founder of Palantir, but also on the steering committee of the Bilderberg Group.
You have the Club of Rome, which was created in 1968, specifically to exploit environmental concerns to justify dystopia.
This is where the human-caused climate change hoax came out, among many other organizations, but that was the initiator.
And then also in this CUSP group, you've got so-called non-governmental organizations.
Many key ones are funded by the Soros organization out of America.
You've also got the think tank web.
I mean, it's just an explosion of think tanks and NGOs.
And their job, and most, you know, an important point to make is that these secret societies are fiercely compartmentalized.
I mean, if you look at the secret societies immediately around the spider, well, what's going on will be widely known in those, because they're exclusive.
But when you go to the Freemasons in some of these other secret societies, they're fiercely compartmentalized.
So, you know, if you are a Freemason, for instance, the vast majority of Freemasons in the world are on the bottom three levels of degree, the so-called blue degrees, but there's 33 degrees of the Scottish right of Freemasonry.
And even when you get to the 33rd degree there are levels above that that most people at the 33rd degree even don't know exist.
I've said about that in my books over the years.
So it's compartmentalized to the point where Only the inner core of all these organizations know what it's really about.
So it's the same with these think tanks and these NGOs.
There's loads of people that are playing their part in advancing the cult agenda that have no idea there even is an agenda.
Never mind, there's a cult.
So then we come out in this web.
We come out through the cusp area to the world of the seen, to governments, government agencies and so on.
These are compartmentalised.
So the World Health Organisation, which was of course fundamentally behind Covid, the Covid hoax, was created by the Rockefeller family and it's now run by Rockefeller family gopher Bill Gates.
And the vast majority of people in the World Health Organisation think they're doing a job for global health.
But the inner core knows the norm.
It knows the story.
And so if you take the World Health Organization, you take Silicon Valley, you take corporations, major corporations, global corporations, you take governments, you take government agencies and so on.
If you go deep enough in their hierarchy, you'll meet the point where they attach to the web.
And at that point, that inner core, they're all the same organization working to the same end.
So for instance, when you realize that, you can see why certain things happen.
The question when COVID began, was why Silicon Valley corporations like Facebook and etc, YouTube, they all threw me off in April 2020 for exposing the COVID hoax.
They said from the start that they were going to censor content that challenged the World Health Organization version of COVID.
Now, on the face of it, you're going, what are you doing?
You're supposed to be the town square where we share opinions and evidence and information.
And you're, what are you doing?
Saying you're going to, from the start, that you're going to censor anything that is not the narrative.
Well, once you realize that these Silicon Valley corporations, just look at the backgrounds of where they came from, Places like In-Q-Tel, the technological development arm of the CIA, and DARPA, the technological development arm of the Pentagon.
the Googles and then Google and YouTube and Facebook etc.
which involve these two, you then realize that they at their inner core attach to the web, the global cult web, and so does the World Health Organization, obviously, being a Rockefeller creation.
And so what you're looking at is one arm of the web censoring on behalf of another part of the web, so that the web agenda can be advanced.
It also explains why the big pharma cartel, people like Pfizer and And Moderna can go to apparently drug regulatory agencies of government, supposed to protect the public from those organizations, and ask for their COVID fake vaccines, not even a vaccine under previous criteria, to be given to people and younger and younger ages, right down to babies.
And even though there's no trials worth the name, they get permission.
And it's like, what are you doing?
Well, when you realize that the inner core of the CDC in America and the FDA and their like around the world is attaching to the cult web, and so, I mean, My goodness, the big pharma cartel was created by the Rockefellers originally again.
So they're connected to the web.
So again, it's the web asking the web for permission to roll out a fake vaccine to the benefit of the web.
This is what's going on all the time.
And of course, you know, the great saviour of the world, Donald Trump, not only was fundamental in making that Operation Warp Speed happen in America with the play out of the COVID-19 vaccine, but actually still today, despite all the death and health disruption that's there to be seen as a result, still says it was a fantastic thing and is a fantastic thing.
So this is how it works.
So then you go to the spider and then you say, well, what's the spider?
And, you know, one of the things that, you know, you have to do if you really want to know what's going on, is you have to research an enormous number of subjects.
No good just researching politics and that level of it, because you'll have what's going on in politics.
You won't have anything else.
And so I started from the kind of mid-90s onwards.
Really starting to look at the nature of reality.
What is reality?
What is this place?
And you start then to realize that what we call the human world, I go into this in detail really deep in the rabbit hole, deeper than I've ever been before in The Reveal, the new book, and you realize that this so-called human world is absolutely tiny.
You know, we call it a world of matter, But actually matter, atomic matter, is a tiny, tiny infinitesimal part of the reality that we're experiencing.
You know, I'm looking around now and I see a wall, I see some lights, I see a computer, I see a desk, and between it, between those forms of matter, I see what appears to my perception to be empty space.
But there is no empty space, so what's in it?
And, you know, call it this is mainstream science.
The visible universe is not made up of what we call atomic matter.
That's tiny!
Just the forms that we see.
it's 99% some say 99.9% or 99% a something called plasma which is called the fourth state of matter
It's a much more ethereal energetic frequency.
And it's all in the so-called empty space that we are experiencing.
And you start to realize, hey, this world we thought we lived in is nothing at all like we are experiencing it.
And then the big thing, the big penny drops when you... and I say, I keep saying this, that every child at the earliest age they can grasp this, should be told this as a matter of course, that when they look through their eyes they're not seeing everything in the space that they're looking at.
They're only seeing a tiny band of frequency that we call, and science calls, visible light.
And to put that into perspective, according to mainstream science, the electromagnetic spectrum, which is basically human reality as we experience it, is 0.005% of what exists in energy and all its forms of the universe.
And visible light, which is all we can see, everything you're looking at now is within this band of frequency, is a fraction of the 0.005% that basically humans are blind.
And outside of that visible light is infinity in all its forms and facets.
But we are not aware of that because we can only see.
We are locked in.
It's like being locked into a television channel or locked into a radio station.
And, you know, in the old analog system, if you were on a television channel or a radio station, no other radio station exists, just the one you're hearing.
But then you move the dial to another radio station, another frequency, and now you've got that.
But the one you've left hasn't disappeared, it's just that you're not tuned to it anymore.
And so we are tuned to this this realm of, quote, matter, and outside of that is infinity.
And what then began to become clear through, you know, enormous research, synchronicity, people I met, personal experience, is that this reality, this human world, is being manipulated from another realm outside of visible light, a realm they call in esoteric circles the astral, or fourth dimension if you take this to the third dimension, just names.
And that's the spider.
That's where it's coming from.
It's coming from this other dimension, and this global cult is operating within the human frequency band to impose upon humans an agenda that's actually coming from outside of the human frequency realm.
And what's fascinating to me, because I kept asking questions, realize that whatever I know, there's always more to know, is how much agreement there is across the religions and the various cultures around the world of this.
Not only that, I have met many, many people in America in the industrial military intelligence complex who have confirmed it, that this is actually what's happening.
And so, if you look at all these religions and these different cultural beliefs, they all have the concept of an unseen force – well, virtually everything is unseen to humans, for reasons I've said – that's manipulating human society for very negative reasons.
Christianity talks about the devil or Satan, the demons, and Islam talks about Shaitan and Iblis and the the Djinn and Gnostics talk about the Yelga Beoth and the
Demiurge and Archons, which is Greek for rulers. And so it goes on around the world. And this is the
common theme that this non-human hidden force, hidden because it's outside of visible light,
is manipulating human society.
And that started to explain a lot of things.
For instance, in the 1990s, when I was researching this cult network and the people involved, it was clear, and bewildering to start with, that these key players, famous people, are taking part in satanic ritual, I mean human sacrifice ritual, the whole shebang.
And the question obviously was, why?
What's happening?
And then you follow it back and you see that these ancient cultures, in the days when it was acceptable, were openly doing human sacrifices to what they perceived to be the gods.
And then you look around the world and you see people talk about the Greek pantheon of gods, but actually there's pantheons of gods all over the place.
And what I started to realize is that this pantheon of gods under different names and different cultures is actually the same, quote, gods, but they're not actually gods.
They're these non-human, highly malevolent entities.
And so then it kind of became obvious that the sacrificial rituals were being done, as the ancients talked about, as an offering to the gods.
And you then say, well okay, so what do the gods get out of this then?
What do the gods get out of a human sacrifice?
And then you also realize that the, quote, gods that these rich and famous billionaires and cultists are doing human sacrifice to now are the same gods the ancients were.
Because they're these astral entities that are manipulating our society from the hidden.
And so why?
Why would they do this?
What's the point?
And, you know, again, you have to put so many dots together to see the picture.
And I started to realize from multiple different sources that these entities actually feed off Low vibrational human emotion and mental states around the basic state of fear and anxiety and resentment and conflict and hatred, all these things, all these low vibrational emotions, they feed off them.
It's their sustenance.
You know, when the Morpheus character in The Matrix held up a battery and said, the Matrix is a computer-generated dream world designed to turn humans into one of these, a battery, that was a profound truth, actually, that he was describing in an apparently fictional movie.
The Matrix movie was true in theme.
I then came across, after I'd kind of established this to my satisfaction, the work of a guy called Robert Monroe.
And he popularized out-of-body experiences.
Now, you know, there's a near-death experience.
Millions of people have had them now.
And that's when the body dies and your consciousness is released into another reality.
And very, very common themes the way that these people describe their experience before the body was revived and they returned.
An out-of-body experience is when you can project your consciousness into this astral realm while still being in the body, while the body's still alive.
And Robert Monroe kind of perfected this and became very skilled at it, to the point where the CIA got involved.
And they started a project they called Gateway, based around Robert Monroe.
And they brought in other people that had a skill to project their consciousness into the astral.
And they did this study, gateway study, to compile their experiences and try to get a fix on what was going on.
And they saw, these people in the Gateway Project, so many reptilian entities in the astral, outside of human sight, that they gave them the name in the Gateway Project of the Alligators.
And this information has come from military people that were involved in the Gateway Project.
And what Monroe said he learned in these astral projections, and he had endless numbers of them, is that these entities were in the astral feeding off low vibrational human emotion.
And that's why they are manipulating the world to generate that energetic sustenance source.
They're not interested in a world of love and joy and happiness and peace because that doesn't generate that frequency which they have to, it has to be that so that they can absorb it because of the frequency they're on.
Then I started to realize What this sacrificial ritual was all about and what the gift and offering to the gods was.
And I've talked to Satanists and former Satanists and people who were in those rituals against their will.
all over the world who have described how during the ritual the sacrifice is built up and built up
and built up in terms of reaction to levels of absolute terror which is an immensely powerful
low vibrational energy.
And this is what these, quote, gods, who are in the astral around the ritual, are feeding off.
They're feeding off the terror of the victim.
And that's the gift of the gods.
And when you reach that level of terror, An adrenaline is released into the blood, and that's what the Satanists conducting the ritual in our reality actually drink.
This is the old adrenochrome story that's come to light, not least out of Washington over the years.
So then you ask the next question, which is, how does it all work?
How is this whole thing orchestrated?
What is this reality then?
And from just after the turn of the millennium, I got this really strong, beyond feeling, it was a knowing, that the reality we're experiencing is a simulation.
It's the immensely advanced version of a virtual reality game.
And In those days I looked around trying to see if there's anyone else around that was coming to that conclusion and the only person I came across in the public arena was a guy called Professor Nick Bostrom at Oxford University who had a bit of
of media coverage for his view that this could be a simulation.
But in the years since, and I started writing and talking about it then, the early part of just after the millennium, and then since then, from about 2016-17 onwards, more and more mainstream scientists have concluded that this looks like it is a simulation.
And when you go down the simulation route, so much of what we call scientific mysteries, the mysteries of reality, fall apart, fall on the floor, because the simulation explanation explains them.
And I said it just after the turn of the millennium, that this is a simulation.
And this level of it, anyway, Its limit is the speed of light.
That's why the speed of light appears to be the fastest speed when it's not at all.
And in 2021, April 2021, there was an article in Scientific American by an academic who said he believed that this is a simulation and the limit of the simulation is The speed of light.
And he likened the speed of light to processing speed.
It's a limit of the processing speed of the simulation.
He doesn't say this, but I say this.
At this level.
And so, the other thing that I was saying, you know, just after the Millennium, was that the laws of physics, what we call the laws of physics, are actually the codes of the simulation.
So if you're creating a virtual reality game, you encode it to provide the rules of the game, the laws of the game, and the limits of the game.
What's possible and what isn't possible.
And we call that, in this simulation, the laws of physics.
And this academic and scientific American article comes to the same conclusion.
When you pull it together, put into sharp focus that Morpheus statement.
This is a computer-generated dream world designed to turn humans into one of these.
And so, in this manipulated, simulated reality, It's manipulated to produce the maximum amount of low vibrational energy, which Robert Monroe gave the term to loosh, low vibrational energy.
He called it loosh, with being looshed.
And he was absolutely right, in my view, after looking at this in great detail over so many years.
Yeah, it's amazing.
I've read all of Robert Monroe's books.
As a matter of fact, I have the book here, Astral Dynamics, by Robert Bruce, which is another guide on how to do those.
I was having out-of-body experiences at a fairly young age.
I had no idea, obviously, what it was.
Clearly, in society, much like you're saying, it's not built to help you understand the nature of reality, so it's not like I could go to school.
It's the opposite, isn't it?
It's designed to stop you realizing the nature of reality.
Exactly.
So I didn't have any way.
So it took years before I even had an idea of what was going on.
And it's actually incredible.
You know, I mean, I know we don't have enough time to get into obviously the rest of my questions, but I had, we've had on even the name Tom Campbell.
Have you heard of Tom Campbell?
Yeah.
He was, he went to go study with Robert Monroe.
Tom is still around doing talks and he, his big, his magnum opus is a book called My Big Toe.
It's a theory on reality which goes into trying to explain to everyone exactly what you just said, essentially, you know.
And he is a physicist and that's what he does.
And he had the experiences there with Robert Monroe and he's got all things.
I haven't had the chance yet to discuss with him exactly what his conclusions are on and what the Gateway Program came out of, but he was a part of it.
He was a part of that at that time and doing all those things and then branched off to do his own.
But with the second that we have left, which is this last couple minutes, I have just one quick question which you can just throw out there.
And I know You may not be able to get into it in depth, but I have a weird inclination that maybe you could confirm for me.
I found it weird, and I don't know clearly either of these people in depth.
It's just a superficial look.
But when I look at somebody like Leonardo DiCaprio, Glenn Maxwell, and there are a few others that do these events for climate change, they end up at the UN, they end up doing these discussions on things.
For some reason, maybe I'm just cynical, But I feel like they don't really give a shit about the climate or that they don't really give a shit about, you know, the people that they're there.
They just seem like these people.
And I'm so curious as to why that is that they have to.
Are they controlled that they have to make these speeches?
Do they want to do it or?
Well, there's many levels to it.
One is that, you know, if you want the support so that you have this out there, vastly remunerative career, then you go down that road.
But, you know, we shouldn't also, in my experience over the years, rule out how many people in the public eye who are pushing the agenda are actually involved in this cult, and knowingly so.
You see, I talked earlier about the woke mentality, and of course the woke mentality has bought hook, line, and the other thing.
Human-caused climate change, and we're all going to die.
Well, actually, from the climate?
No, we're not.
But then you've got the other side of it, the Trump side, if you like, of supporters, who have seen through it.
So you have to somehow, again, like with the AI, You have to somehow pull them in with a soft sell.
And if you look at Elon Musk, for instance, his statements over the years have very much been in line with the agenda of human-caused climate change.
He says he wants a carbon tax, which is right off the pages of the World Economic Forum wish list, the cult wish list in other words, of which the World Economic Forum is an agency, an asset.
And you look at Tesla and the whole electric car thing is all justified by human-caused climate change being real.
And the whole hoax of human-caused climate change, where you turn a gas of life carbon dioxide, without which we'd all be dead. There'd be
no natural world. There'd be no food supply. You turn that into a pollutant, the perception of a
pollutant, and you demonize it.
It's utterly ridiculous. The carbon dioxide levels have been vastly higher in the past,
and we still somehow survived.
And indeed, those periods of carbon dioxide expansion were very times that people flourished.
It's the cold times where, you know, there's mass die-offs.
And so they've demonized it.
And they've demonized it because...
of a technique that I coined the phrase in the 1990s, Problem Reaction Solution, where you create a problem, blame someone else for it, get the public to react in a way that says, do something about the problem, and then you openly offer the solutions to the problems you have covertly created and blame someone else.
But there's also another version of that, Which I call no problem reaction solution, where you don't need a real problem, you just need the perception of one.
Now, of course, weapons of mass destruction in Iraq in 2003 was a classic no problem reaction solution, because they weren't there, but the perception was that they were there, and so they justify a catastrophic invasion.
And human-caused climate change is a no-problem reaction solution.
And, you know, the funding for those that push it in science and academia is absolutely off the wall.
It's fantastic.
And if you push against it, well, you lose funding and your academic career and scientific career can be in trouble.
So it's all orchestrated, not least through the funding.
But it's real simple, the way the whole scam is played.
And of course, people like DiCaprio, they fly in their private jets to climate change conferences.
I mean, he's taken the piss, basically.
And of course, they know it's not true.
Gates and all these people know it's not true.
But it's, what the outcome is, of people believing it's true.
And so they have this net zero.
Okay.
Well, that's pretty much all they have to do is set net zero and a year when that's going to be achieved.
Or they say it's going to be achieved.
Why?
Because the whole foundation of industrial society and the societies around it, particularly the Western world, but increasingly other parts of the world as well, is based on fossil fuels.
Fossil fuels is how this industrial society emerged, what made it possible.
So if your goal is to completely transform and dismantle global society as we know it, so you can reform it, reset it in the way that you want, then all you have to do is set the target of net zero.
And as governments and agencies and corporations go towards that net zero target, to reach it, the foundation of modern society, fossil fuels, has to be more and more and more eliminated.
And as a result of that, Society is transformed.
It has to be because it's founded on fossil fuel use.
And so when you look, for instance, at, because it's all a scam, it's all a bloody lie.
When you look at electric cars, we're going to bring in legislation, they are doing it, so that the production of diesel and petrol cars stops to be replaced by electric cars.
Well, that's not to do with replacing petrol and diesel with electric.
It's to do with eliminating the access to a car for the vast, overwhelming majority of the global population.
Because they're simply not the resources.
to produce electric cars, not least through the batteries.
People are now seeing who bought electric cars, they have no resale value for a start, or
very little, because once the battery's gone, it's a fantastic amount of money to replace it. It's
like buying another car. So then you connect that into this other agenda of what they call 15-minute
cities or 15-minute communities.
And they're being created all around the world where they say that everything you need, in their view, will be within a 15-minute walk or cycle ride from your home.
And they're putting cameras up all over the place.
Like in London, they've got a thing called ULES, which is the ultra low emission zone, which is the entirety of London now.
And so they're putting cameras, number plate cameras, all over London to catch people who have a car that doesn't emit, in terms of exhaust, the ultra low emission criteria.
And if you get caught on the camera, or even, you know, leaving your home in the morning with
that kind of vehicle will mean that you have to pay £12.50 a day every time you use your
car that's not compliant with this EULES criteria.
And, of course, it's driving people out of their vehicles.
It's driving people out of business who can't afford to replace their van with a more modern one.
And so these cameras for the EULES zone finds are actually really there longer term, not too long either,
to police the 15-minute cities, where if you go, if you leave your 15-minute area so many
times, then you get fined. That's the idea.
And eventually you don't leave them at all.
It's just a stepping stone towards that.
And that's why there's a war on movement.
There's a war on plane travel.
There's a war on vehicle use.
Because they don't want people to be able to move and travel.
They want them locked away in these little zones of control.
And the only way they can communicate with Their fellow humans further afield is through the internet and they have a kill switch to turn that off whenever they want.
So this human-caused climate change hoax fits that perfectly because they're saying that if we don't go down that road, and of course the woke side of politics is all in favor of it because it's brought human-caused climate change without question, That would mean that you'd basically be in a situation portrayed in the Hunger Games movies.
In fact, I call this society, I have since those movies came out, the Hunger Games Society.
Because if you remember in the Hunger Games, people were fenced off in sectors and they couldn't communicate with the other sectors.
And that's what the 15-Minute Cities is all about.
And so In the end, it all connects.
Another fundamental part of this whole digital dystopia is the digital currency, which they are bringing in.
It's getting closer all the time.
It's being introduced in places already, whereby all finance is digital.
And this means that they have complete control of your life.
Because through a digital currency, if you, say, left the 15-minute city and passed one of these number plate counters, and you were sent a fine, well, you know, if enough people got together, hallelujah, sometime, I hope, and refused to pay the fine, then it would be unenforceable.
But through the digital system, as they do in China now, they'll be able to take the fine out of your bank account within seconds of you passing the camera.
And so refusing to pay the fine becomes not an option and the idea is that you are fined for doing anything that is outside of the dystopian imposition to the point where if you don't conform you ain't gonna have any money left to put food on the table.
And so I've said over the years Going way back, if you want to see what's planned for the West tomorrow, look at China today.
My view is that the Mao revolution in China was a cult revolution, and it was designed to create a closed society of total top-down control.
That would mean that a system of total human mass control could be incubated and developed Behind that wall of control.
And that eventually, when it was perfected to a certain level, goes on being perfected as we speak, then it would be played out across the world.
And if you look at what happened after Covid, which was not true, but the irony is obvious, said to have come out of China, Then, what has happened to the West since then?
It's become more and more like China, and we're going into that more and more as we speak.
Because in Britain, we've just had a government change where someone has come in with what's called the Labour Party, Prime Minister Keir Starmer, who is cult to his DNA, by the way.
And I said before he came in, this is what he's going to do.
And he's playing out this World Economic Forum agenda on steroids from the moment he took office.
And this is what they plan to impose on Britain.
And one of the things that, one of the kind of platforms of their policy, a policy that has been supported in the last election in July only by 34% of the population.
That's all who voted for these people.
is to have a dramatic reduction in fossil fuel use and to cover the seascape and the landscape with solar farms with thousands and thousands of acres of farmland covered in solar panels and wind turbines.
And something you said earlier about They don't seem to give a damn about climate change, even though they are talking about it.
When you break down even the use of fossil fuels and the environmental impact of a solar panel or a wind turbine or an electric car, It's catastrophic.
It's massive.
Because it's not about the environment.
That's the scam.
That's the excuse.
It's about dystopia.
And that's why this has been played out, not least out of the Club of Rome, that cusp organisation I talked about earlier.
Absolutely insane.
Troubling, to say the least.
And hopefully in our next interview, we'll get into more of the solution, at least on our aspect.
Yeah, I'd love to do that because the solutions are there.
They're not there.
This is why I'm saying it's bigger, bigger, bigger than you're focusing on mainstream alternative media.
But there, the answers do lie.
And it'd be great to talk to you again about that.
Absolutely, absolutely.
Listen, obviously, everybody should know where to find stuff from you, but where would you like us to send people who are interested in more?
Well, they can get my books at DavidIke.com.
And also, of course, DavidIke.com, I post news stories in context of what they really mean, as opposed to what we tell them every day.
We also have a We've got a media platform called Iconic, which is basically an alternative version of Netflix, if you like.
And it's got the whole spectrum of information from the news of the week, and in context, again, I do a show every week called Dot Connector.
And also the much bigger picture of reality.
We do full length feature films on that, which I've taken part in many for myself.
And so it's a real brilliant, it's a brilliant platform for the whole spectrum of information.
And so my new book's called The Reveal.
And the trap, the dream and the reveal are both exposing the nature of reality that they
don't want us to know, but also, again, looking at the way we can change this if only we realize
what reality is and crucially, who we really are, because it's not the body.
And I tell you, just before we finish too, you know, if people would go deeply into this whole arena of who we really are, which is consciousness, having a human experience, then in things like sport and things like football, the performance quality could go through the roof if people realized how our perceptions create reality.
And really kind of played that out as a being rather than just a concept.
Because, you know, when a football team is 2-0 down and playing terribly and getting battered, and then you see them get a lucky strike and they make it 2-1.
And then you look at the transformation of the game so often.
Suddenly, the team that's been playing terribly has had what?
A change of perception.
Hey, we might have a chance here.
And the confidence.
What is confidence?
It's a perception.
And the confidence increases.
And they go on to be a completely different team, having just got a goal against the run of play.
And you get other teams who, they say, they're so lucky.
They always get late goals.
Well, why do they get late goals and other people not get late goals?
Because their perception is different.
And this whole perception of reality becoming experienced reality would be a real boon to athletic performance in many and various ways.
I was actually asked, nothing's come of it yet, but I was actually asked by a professional football club in in Britain, if I would be interested in, you know, talking to your staff about this sort of stuff.
Because it has such potential to increase athletic performance through complete transformation of perception of what is possible and what you're capable of.
And I have an entire channel based on all of that, where I would love, love to.
So we'll talk, we'll end this here, since I know, you know, I want to be respectful of your
time, but without a doubt, there's a whole field and world
that I know of people that can benefit from this solution from within sport, within all those things.
So I would love to do it.
It'd be great to come on your football channel and talk about that.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Would love it.
Would love it.
David, once again, really appreciate it.
Guys, you guys know exactly where to get everything.
The links will be in the description or if you're just listening to this, they are in the show notes.
And David, thanks again.
Cheers, mate.
All the best.
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