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Aug. 8, 2024 - David Icke
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Who Was REALLY Behind The 2001 Anthrax Attacks? - Col Tom Rempfer Joins Gareth Icke Tonight
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Colonel Tom buzz rent for is a retired us air Air Force pilot and instructor.
He served in missions across the globe and earned a master's degree through the Naval Postgraduate School Center for Homeland Defense and Security.
He received the program's Outstanding Thesis Award.
He also served on the U.S.
Air Force Chief of Staff's Cyberspace Task Force.
Tom is also an author and he's here to talk about his book, Unyielding, Tom, thank you so much for joining us.
illegal mandate. See, the COVID era showed everyone just how governments overreach in
the realm of vaccines, but it certainly wasn't the first time that had happened, as Tom makes
very clear in his book. Tom, thank you so much for joining us. Before we get into the
book, can you tell us a bit about your Air Force career?
Sure.
My Air Force career was a very fortunate one.
I was able to fly a variety of frontline Air Force aircraft.
And when the dilemma for me started back in the late 90s, early 2000s, I was actually allowed to continue to fly.
And that represented, you know, a great inequity because there were literally thousands of people that were removed from their jobs.
And so For the past 20 plus years, my objective has been to try to get those people's records corrected and correct that inequity.
And of course, that related to the anthrax vaccine program in the United States Armed Forces that ultimately got proven in federal court to be illegal, patently illegal.
And so, across these past couple decades and with the book, has been to highlight that injustice
and try to get those corrected for soldiers.
And then of course, with the advent of COVID vaccine mandates, it became worse.
10 times the number of people were forced out of the military over ultimately what ended up being
illegal mandates for investigational, experimental or technically unapproved medical products
authorized under the emergency youth authorizations provided by our laws.
Was the anthrax mandate, was that commonly known?
Hey doggy.
It's not that I know everything, but it's not something I knew anything about.
The fact that this anthrax vaccine was mandated and that people refused it.
Yes.
So, interestingly, your UK media covered it.
There were a variety of articles, very good media exposure, highlighting the problems, primarily the safety problems, with the anthrax vaccine.
And so it happened 25 years ago.
The controversy ended up going away, primarily because of the anthrax letter attacks, the fear bomb, And the fear injected into the controversy by the anthrax letter attacks, which ultimately ended up being determined by our Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Justice as having originated from an army laboratory.
So it's one of the many parallels and patterns that existed between the two dilemmas is that ultimately the only reason the U.S.
Department of Defense and government were able to accelerate the anthrax vaccine program when it was on the verge of cancellation was because of the anthrax letter attacks.
A lab leak, a bio incident, a bacteria that originated from an army laboratory, and it took the Department of Justice and the FBI 10 years to properly assess that that lab leak actually occurred.
And the motive was to the stated motive, according to the FBI, was to resuscitate or rejuvenate the failing anthrax vaccine program.
But it took 10 years for them to come to that determination.
And whether it was out of embarrassment or shame or whatnot, the Department of Defense, the U.S.
government never went back and corrected the records of the soldiers that were wrongfully punished over the anthrax vaccine mandate.
That is extraordinary because that's enormous.
That should have been front page of every newspaper across the United States.
You know, what you're saying essentially, or what the FBI is saying, is that basically the military wanted to enforce a vaccine mandate.
People didn't want it.
So in order to make it happen, they basically created, you know, anthrax letter, say letter bombs, but you know my point, like contaminated letters that created this enormous fear to think, I mean, that's a huge story.
That's extraordinary.
What would people... because I understand it with the COVID vaccine because, you know, it was done so quickly and there was a lot of people speaking out on social media and producing videos, whether it be doctors, scientists and the like, saying, look, this is not good, this technology is untested.
What was the reason so many people refused the anthrax vaccine?
Was there similar amounts of literature out there saying this isn't good?
Yeah, that's actually an interesting difference as far as the two programs.
The anthrax vaccine had been used for decades, but it had been used in a very, very focused manner just for military scientists.
And so the problem with it was the Department of Defense and the U.S.
government recognized that it was an experimental drug product in its use for inhalation anthrax, that it wasn't approved for that application.
And they also recognized that it was an inadequate vaccine.
The Department of Defense had published A request for proposals to get the vaccine replaced, a vaccine that did not impose as many adverse reactions and that worked better.
And so they'd actually published that.
The United States Senate had a report, Senate Report 10397, that acknowledged that the vaccine could have been a cause of Gulf War illness.
It was not excluded as a possible cause.
of Gulf War illness. The Food and Drug Administration had basically shuttered
the manufacturer for quality control problems and issued FDA inspection reports that the very
top line said the anthrax vaccine manufacturing process was not validated due to these quality
control problems. Those quality control problems led to a notice of intent to revoke the manufacturer's license.
And so the manufacturer was basically shut down, yet they imposed this vaccine mandate on the entirety of the armed forces.
It didn't go well.
They held a great deal of congressional hearings.
Another difference between today and then, literally no hearings have been held related to the military's COVID vaccine mandate.
So, the program was a disaster, and the Bush administration, in the mid-2001 timeframe, actually planned on canceling the program.
But it was only the anthrax letter attacks, which occurred approximately a week after 9-11, that was able to successfully get the program resuscitated.
And again, it got resuscitated until a federal court case that I was involved with, with a group of brave military lawyers that in their civilian capacity, they actually brought suit against the Department of Defense.
And the suit ultimately determined that these folks, The vaccine is not properly licensed.
As a matter of fact, the Food and Drug Administration had not even finalized the license for the vaccine.
So, contrary to all of their rhetoric of safe, effective, and FDA approved, ultimately it was government documents that proved that none of those things were correct.
And the federal court enjoined the program or placed an injunction against the program, shut it down, stopped the program and said that the Department of Defense and the FDA and the manufacturer were not substantially justified in mandating the vaccine.
So it was a very sordid history.
But because of the anthrax letter bombs, I think your terminology is actually accurate.
The letter attacks By an alleged lone wolf or government insider who wanted to save the program.
Ultimately, that ended up saving the program and so many years went by that they never went back and corrected the records.
And that's something we'd like to see them do.
And it's something that they should do with respect to the COVID vaccine mandates as well.
Those injections were emergency use authorized under United States law.
The law is Title 10, Section 1107A.
Emergency use authorized products could not be mandated on the troops.
Unfortunately, they did it in direct violation of the law.
And in direct violation of their Secretary of Defense Directive, which made very clear in paragraph five, it's on my website on yielding.org, that they could not mandate emergency use authorized products and they could only mandate fully FDA approved product.
That fully FDA approved product never made it into the U.S.
marketplace for troops or citizens.
And when you talk about citizens, it's actually really important that there was a parallel law, 21 United States Code 360-BBB-3, that actually says the same thing.
Citizens can't be mandated emergency use authorized products at all.
So, in fact, both the program for the military and the mandates for civilians ended up being patently illegal.
And the U.S.
Supreme Court actually shut down some of those mandates, the large employer mandate, not for those core law reasons, but for other tangential illegalities.
The amount of laws, their own laws, that governments broke in the years between 2020 and 2022-23, it's staggering.
It's staggering.
The list is endless all over the world.
Was this, you know, because obviously you're aware of what's going on with the anthrax stuff going back over 20 years, you know, you've been fighting to get these peoples that were, you know, I guess, you know, dismissed, to get their records cleared and all this kind of stuff.
What made you put pen to paper and go ahead and write a book on that?
Was it the COVID stuff that kind of made you go, hang on, this is happening again?
It was, that's exactly right.
You know, I discovered that there were so many parallels between the two controversies.
And they were literally breaking the same laws that they had put into place in order to protect service members health rights.
And our military leaders, instead of being the stewards and the champions for our military service members' health rights, were actually violating the laws all over again after, in 2003, being found guilty of violating service members' health rights.
And so I did write the book in order to try to capture these lessons.
Learned, not that it made a difference for the COVID injection mandates, but hopefully for the next time.
Hopefully they will resurvey their judgments.
Hopefully they'll go back and correct the records for both wrongfully punished anthrax vaccine program soldiers, but also for the 10 times as many soldiers that they wrongfully gave less than fully honorable discharges to for over COVID mandates.
And so, you know, whether it's the book or a podcast like this, to a certain extent, you know, all of us have to find a way to compartmentalize these issues.
It is so disturbing to me, so embarrassing to me, that our national leaders blatantly violate the laws put in place to protect us.
I felt like we have to call it out.
I had to write it down.
I have to speak to you about it today.
Because in the end, I mean, my entire case, both with anthrax and with COVID, this is simply the laws of the United States.
Protections that were put in place in order to preclude this kind of bad behavior.
And so for me, writing the book, talking to you today, it's my way of trying to compartmentalize it and not, you know, drive my wife nutty as far as constantly talking about it to her.
She appreciates me having you to speak to about this today.
Yeah, I'm assuming the role now to give your wife some peace.
I love it.
It's important that you're doing it, though.
It's very important, not only to kind of, you know, for one, try and get people's records, you know, resolved, and also to shine a light on what the government's done.
But also, you know, going forward, if there is a bird flu or whatever they come up with next, that actually you're going to empower people to stand up by going, look, people stood up to anthrax, people stood up to COVID.
And, you know, and we're fighting for them.
So going forward, you know, you can stand up to the next one.
You can.
And it's very important that we demand that our elected representatives listen.
You know, back 20 plus years ago, we had H. Ross Perot, the famous philanthropist and independent candidate for the presidency in the United States.
Listen to us.
He reached out to me.
I shared my research with him.
He connected me with Multiple high level leaders, Senator Daschle in the United States Senate, Karl Rove in the White House, those men's offices or themselves contacted me and I gave them the briefing.
There were people that were listening at one time.
During that time, 20 plus years ago, Senator Daschle was actually one of the people on Capitol Hill that was attacked with anthrax in order to shut down his inquiry.
Carl Rove actually tasked people in the Department of Defense to look at the anthrax vaccine program.
It was a political problem as he stated it, and that's in the book.
And his underlings actually determined that the anthrax vaccine program should be minimized.
And that they should develop a doctrinally coherent manner to deal with these kind of threats in the future.
Unfortunately, the anthrax letter attacks stopped that review, both by the executive branch, the Bush administration, by Karl Rove, and the recommendations for to Don Rumsfeld, the United States Secretary of Defense, were actually put on the shelf and they tried to accelerate the program until we were able to get it shut down by the federal courts.
But it's very important that there were people that listened, and these things go in cycles.
At the time, H. Ross Perot was helping us out.
He was the one who was saying that the Department of Defense was trying to make science conform with policy.
That should sound familiar to what's going on today.
Just a bit.
And so in the book, I talk about one of my instructors at the Naval Postgraduate School, Dr. Philip Zimbardo, who was the famous psychologist, architect of the Stanford Prison Experiment.
And he had a concept called integrity system heroes.
That's what H. Ross Perot was for us.
He was an integrity system hero that helped force people in the United States government to listen to us.
We were able to testify multiple times to Congress that we're multiple government accountability office reports.
Similarly, in this more recent era with COVID injection controversies and patently illegal mandates, we had Robert
F. Kennedy Jr. helping us he put forth a citizen petition just
like we back in the 2001 timeframe. And so we have integrity system heroes out there. In the future, I think
more will listen to this plea to do the right thing. And they
They'll resurvey their judgments.
They'll take a look at it, and they'll say, wow, we actually blatantly violated the law once again.
We had done it before.
We did it again.
We need to make sure that we never repeat these bad behaviors and experiment on our population again.
100%.
For me, that's part of the importance of talking about it is the fact that it never happens again.
It can never be allowed to happen again.
That's why it's important what you're doing.
Just finally, Tom, this is nothing to do with vaccines, but as a military veteran, I've got you on the screen in front of me, and it seems silly not to ask.
What do you see coming down the road in terms of conflict?
I mean, I'm looking at what's going on in the Middle East with Ukraine, with China, Taiwan, and You know, there's lots of quite aggressive rhetoric going around and no one seems to be talking about peace anywhere, which says to me maybe no one wants peace.
What do you see coming?
Well, I think that we obviously have a very chaotic world.
There's a lot of issues that are of great concern.
We do have candidates that are talking about peace.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
is one of them.
And so I do think that voice needs to be heard, just as he was willing to listen to us.
I think the American people need to be able to listen to him.
I think that our mainstream media and our government need to make sure that those alternative voices that are, you know, calling for peace in the future, I think that they need to be listened to.
The bottom line is the way I try to address these issues is there are many issues of significant tangential concern.
But on my particular issue, I always try to focus back on the core laws were violated back in 25 plus years ago.
And the core laws have been violated again.
So rather than, you know, kind of take the bait and be diverted with all these other important issues, I always try to focus back on the core laws that they were violated.
Our service members deserve a voice.
They should be given the opportunity to have congressional hearings.
Our leaders could short circuit all of that by just correcting the records for these troops.
There's over 10,000 that were wrongfully punished and kicked out of the armed forces of the United States, and they should be given a voice.
And the only way to do that is to continue to not be diverted by all of those other important issues, but also just focus on the core illegalities and the violation of these service members' health rights.
Yeah.
No, I get that.
This is your battle.
That's for sure.
That you're fighting.
So I understand you're not being distracted.
It was just me thinking, you know, I've got a military veteran.
I'm not a military veteran.
I just wondered what you thought.
I'm hoping, though, those voices of peace are heard.
Because, you know, war benefits no one in the long term.
So, you know, hopefully we can come to some kind of peace and everyone just start getting on again.
But I'm hoping That what you're doing with the book and obviously doing videos like this and speaking to the public and getting the information out there can help these 10,000 servicemen and women.
And I'm sure they're very grateful to you, Tom.
I appreciate it very much.
I always say that I provide the disclaimer that these are my own.
Ultimately, the Department of Defense will end up sharing my viewpoint and correct the records for these troops in the future.
The book is actually available via my website, unyielding.org.
That takes you to the publisher's website, Amazon, Barnes & Nobles.
Profits go to the widow of a veteran colleague of mine who was the intellectual heavyweight in our arguments against the anthrax vaccine program, which ended up gated by the federal courts.
And so I'm hopeful that it will bring change and hopefully stop these bad behaviors in the future.
Absolutely.
Thank you so much for joining us, Tom.
It's great to speak to you.
I love your dogs as well, mate.
They were an added bonus.
So thank you so much.
And hopefully I'll get to speak to you again further down the line, you know, when there's more progress and these 10,000 soldiers have got some kind of justice.
Sounds great, Gareth.
I appreciate the time very much.
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