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Are We In A Technologically Generated Simulation? - David Icke
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Welcome back to A Right to Know with our amazing guest today, David Icke.
So, did you notice, and if not, please give it some thought, that there is, has been for quite some time, a battle going on for the control of human perception.
Your perception.
Today we'll discuss with one of the most influential thought leaders on the planet, oh what a topic, and that is, are we living in a technologically generated simulation?
A matrix?
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David Icke.
Welcome back, David.
Thank you very much.
Well, that's quite an intro.
Thank you very much.
Okay, well deserved!
Well deserved!
So, David, we have an amazing topic today, and you are the man to talk about it.
So, we are all so excited, and that is, you know, are we living in a technologically generated simulation, which basically some people call a matrix.
But before we go there, I have another question just to ask you, because a lot of the listeners, you know, we hear different comments and things from people, and I want to sort of set the, have you set the tone straight here.
I've seen different interviews of, for example, people talking about Alice Bailey, and we know she was about the New World Order, she was about the New Age, about the Age of Aquarius, she was related with the United Nations, and Her company, which you probably know, it was what was it called?
The Luciferian Trust?
Yeah, it became known as the Lucis Trust, I think.
Lucis Trust, okay.
So, you know, everyone's saying, hey, did David Icke, does he look up to Alice Bailey?
Is that someone he follows?
And so, let's kind of straighten that out right here.
I'm asking you directly, is there any truth to that, David?
Yeah, well, I'm already losing the will to live.
You know, it's kind of extraordinary, really.
I've been on this path now for 35 years.
I've taken untold abuse, continues to this day, and ridicule.
And I've kept going.
Because once you see what's happening in the world and where it's planned to go, There's no walking away.
In fact, one of the most bewildering things I've come across is people that come into this arena for a few years, often the flavor of the month for a bit, and then they disappear.
You can't disappear once you truly know what's planned and where this is going.
You can't look Yeah.
Kids and grandkids in the eye and other kids and grandkids in the eye and and walk away.
You can't.
But having done that, I'm accused of all endless things.
Apparently, I'm a Freemason, which I'm not.
And they Put my head on a Freemason's body, even pictures from some of my books on the back cover of some of my books.
And so he says his proof he's a Freemason.
And this Alice Bailey stuff and Blavatsky and all this stuff comes up from time to time.
And what I see a lot and what I see a lot of Christians doing, funnily enough, is equating when you talk about metaphysics with New Age and Alice Bailey and Blavatsky and all these people.
You know, metaphysics is simply looking At the physics of this reality and how that relates to what this reality is.
And it's nothing to do with the New Age.
I mean, if people only read my books, they would see that I'm very vehemently not into the New Age philosophy.
I think it's a diversion.
It's the kind of Eastern philosophy that came to the West, and everyone to their own.
What people believe is perfectly up to them, as long as they don't seek to impose it on everyone else.
But it's not something that is part of my work.
In fact, it certainly is not part of my work.
I go my own way.
I let the evidence be my guide.
To what I believe is going on and what I say, and I'm not attached to any group.
You know, I've always all my life had an aversion to groupthink.
If there was a group, I didn't want to be part of it.
And I'm still like that.
I've just passed 72 and I'm still the same.
So any groupthink has to be wrong for a start.
Because I work on the philosophy of wisdom is knowing how little we know.
Once you realize how little we actually know, then your mind becomes open to other possibilities, or possibilities if the evidence is there to support them.
Whereas groupthink tends to coagulate and solidify, whether it's a religion or a political belief system or whatever it is, a Blavatsky belief system, New Age belief system, they tend to solidify into a a belief system which tends to defend itself from all
borders. So if you call yourself a Christian then there's certain things that you have to believe
otherwise you're not a Christian. If you call yourself a Muslim there's certain things you have to
believe or you're not a Muslim and so on and so forth it goes.
And I've always rejected that all my life.
So any groupthink situation, and I have an immediate aversion to it, so it's the last thing that I would be involved in.
Wow!
Okay.
Just, you said it all and I had some questions and I've always been that way as well.
Had an aversion to groupthink, just born that way.
I was brought up, whatever, went to Catholic school, you know, and asked my mom, wait, this doesn't make sense.
I have to do what?
It doesn't make any sense.
Can you explain that?
You know, but also when you talk about groupthink, that's a scary thing.
We just went through a huge groupthink, the scamdemic, the plannedemic, and it wasn't the first one, right?
Exactly.
It's this, um, This need that so many humans seem to have to be part of a group.
Maybe it's something to do with tribal DNA.
You know, if you were kicked out by the tribe once upon a time, you were in trouble.
But I've always been someone that wanted to go my own way and not, you know, I'll listen to other people.
Of course I do.
And if it makes sense, well, I'll accept it.
And if it doesn't, then I won't.
But when someone says to me, this is a set of beliefs and to be one of us, you have to believe this.
Well, I'm sorry.
I'll see you later.
All the best.
I'm not interested because.
When you when you break this down, this reality that we are experiencing, you realize just how little not only that we know.
But how little we can actually see According to mainstream science, the electromagnetic spectrum, which is basically human reality as we experience it, is 0.005% of what exists in the universe in terms of energy in all its forms.
And visible light, which is the only band of frequency that we can see, Everything that people are looking at now is within that tiny band of frequency, and it's tiny.
It's laughably, ludicrously, ridiculously tiny, and I don't think that's an accident either.
It's a smear of the 0.005%.
That's all we can see.
The entirety of infinite reality is denied our sight senses.
It's beyond their ability to It's been my contention that children at the earliest age that they are able to grasp the concept, it should be part of the curriculum to explain to them that although they seem to be seeing everything in the space they're looking at, they're only seeing a tiny band of frequency and infinity
in all its forms and facets and dimensions exists in the same space they're looking at, but they can only see a part of it.
Because suddenly, from that understanding, an enormous amount of so-called paranormal or mysterious things become simply explainable.
For instance, when people say, I saw this UFO, and it appeared out of nowhere
and then disappeared into nowhere, or they say, I woke up and there was this non-human entity
at the end of the bed, and it just came out of nowhere and then disappeared into nowhere.
From the human perspective, that is ridiculous and impossible.
Indeed, from the scientific, in quotes, perspective, that is ridiculous and impossible.
That can't happen.
Well, it's the easiest thing to explain in the world.
What's happening is when something enters that frequency band of visible light, which is all that the sight senses can decode, it appears to appear out of nowhere.
And when it leaves that band of visible light, it appears to disappear into nowhere.
But it hasn't disappeared and hasn't just appeared.
It's entered your ability to see it.
And once you then realize that that's all we can see, and the entirety of the human visible world is within that Tiny band of frequency.
You find a little bit of humility, to be honest.
You find a little bit of humbleness when it comes to how much you think you know.
And what happens when you realize how little we know is your mind opens to endless other possibilities.
Which it was previously closed to.
You see, one of the greatest ways of manipulating perception is to squeeze the sense of the possible.
Because if you can squeeze people's sense of the possible, when people like me come out and say, this is happening and this is happening, If it's outside the realm of the perceived possible, it will be dismissed by reflex action.
Oh, that's ridiculous.
That can't happen.
That's impossible.
But it's not impossible.
It's your perception that believes it's impossible.
And what's impossible and your belief of what's impossible are not the same thing, funnily enough.
And so if you're going to uncover what is happening or uncover more of what's happening, Then a mind that is not padlocked and locked into some groupthink belief system, or any immovable, unquestionable belief system, it's imperative.
You cannot go down this road, credibly, if you have a belief system that is immovable.
And so what I see, for instance, in what's called the alternative media is, especially now, since Covid, it's been hijacked by an unfortunate myopia in terms of its most promoted people.
You see the domination of what's called right wing politics, And Christianity.
Now, whether people, how people vote is up to them.
None of my business.
What people believe in terms of their religion is none of my business.
But if you are claiming to be a seeker of truth, a seeker of what the hell is happening, then if you've got two belief systems, one is the right of politics and the other one is Christianity, that are immovable, then that immediately means that there are great areas that you will not go into, in terms of research, because your belief system, if you do so, could be under question.
So you don't go there.
And so where I'm coming from, and it's One of the reasons that I absolutely don't get involved in groupthink is that I'm open to all possibility, but not any possibility.
Possibility that is supportable by the evidence that's available.
And that takes you, if you go down that road, it takes you into some very strange places that actually They are not challenging or even questioning, but let's say they are at odds with almost every other belief system in the world.
They're at odds with virtually every single religion, whether it's Christianity or Judaism or Islam or Hinduism, whatever, the Eastern religions.
It's at odds with them.
And it's at odds with every political belief system.
And it's at odds with every cultural belief system or most of them.
And that's where you go, because instead of going down a road where you're
you're seeking to uncover what's going on and saying, that's a no go area because my belief system will be under
threat in terms of my religion.
That's a no-go area because my politics will be under question.
That's a no-go area because my cultural belief system will be under threat.
All the time, I've described it as like going down a freeway And there's all these there's all these slip roads off the freeway that are trying to get you to go off the freeway.
But if you keep going and you say everything is to be questioned, everything is is is not out of bounds.
It's there to be looked at.
And I'm not going to censor myself because of some previous belief I had.
If you can show me or the evidence shows me that my belief was not correct, then I'll go with that.
Because I just want to know the truth.
I have no immovable connection to any previous belief.
What that does then is you start to fly.
And so many things start to open up to you in terms of understanding reality, that groupthink belief systems, there are many and various kinds, would have stopped you getting there.
Because once you go down this road, I tell you from experience, every single belief system starts to come under question, all of them.
And may I also interject with entrenched in the educational system?
Oops, can't talk about that, says the teacher.
I'd get fired.
The kids don't even know who Nikola Tesla is, you know?
I mean, they're kind of learning now, but it's just...
So this is how you keep people in the box, right, David Icke?
We want to keep people in the box and we're talking a roundabout and the matrix and this technologically, you know, this way of control, right?
So we've got this box and we've got to keep people's minds in this box because we can't let them think outside of the box because then we wouldn't be able to control them.
Ooh, that wouldn't work.
So you addressed exactly my thoughts.
There are certain religions that are like, Ooh, don't go there.
That's evil.
That's Lucifer.
No, I'm not supporting any of that.
I love humanity.
I love Mama Earth.
I care, just like you've been doing for decades, David Icke, you know, caring about humanity.
We got to, like, think outside of the box.
And anyway, and it's been entrenched in all the different systems.
That is so true.
So I want to segue here, and we're already discussing this to some level.
But so many of us are like, okay, so to keep us in the box and to not let us think outside of the box and not let us go off those little branches of roads that you mentioned with our minds and discovering because there's so much more that we don't, you know, I mean, yeah, we don't have junk DNA.
It's just they can't analyze it past a certain point.
And what happens if that gets activated and what might activate that?
And do the guys that run the planet, you know, the autocrats, The narcissistic psychopaths, the globalists, the cabal, the Illuminati, whatever you want to call them, are those guys who can't fully be, I don't know, sometimes I wonder, human, you know, the way they don't care about humanity, just themselves.
But in any event, it's like, are they the ones creating this simulation, this matrix, to keep us in this so-called box?
So yeah, I mean, I'll go into the simulation in a second.
I could talk about it in great detail.
I've been researching it for long enough.
But just on the point you made about the education system.
We live in a human world.
Yeah.
OK.
But there's two worlds.
There's the world of what I call the global cult, this global network of secret societies.
Where the inner core knows the big picture and the further you go down the degrees in the secret societies, the less you know.
And then there's the general population.
And the difference between the cult world and the population world is knowledge.
The idea is that the secret societies are secret for a reason.
It's to keep things secret from the population.
And so there's two major areas that they want to keep from us.
First of all is where humanity is being taken.
They want us to think that events in the world are random and they're not coordinated.
And they present them to us like that, when they're absolutely coordinated.
But the other area they want to keep from us, and this very much relates to the simulation as well, is the nature of reality.
They don't want us to know the nature of reality.
They want us to think that we're just humans.
They want us to, one of two things, they want us to self-identify with the labels of a human life and to believe that that's who we are and all we are.
We are a man, a woman, a income bracket, a race, a religion, a sexuality, whatever.
That's who we are.
What I'm saying is they are experiences that we're having.
And the I that's having those experiences is consciousness.
Consciousness is what we are.
It's what we are eternally.
And the body is a vehicle for consciousness to experience this, what is a band of frequency called the human world.
And they don't want us to know the nature of the reality that we're experiencing.
Because if we did, Everything would change.
So the two things that they want us to believe in, just pick one or the other, is that we are just cosmic accidents.
And this is the basis of mainstream science, of course, even today.
We are just cosmic accidents.
We live for a few seconds or a hundred years or so and then we disappear and that's it.
Yeah, okay, well that sounds scientific to me.
And the other side of it is that we are subordinate and constantly judged by some judgmental God and we are, in terms of Christianity and Islam, we are judged On our eternity on one human life, which again can last a few seconds or a hundred years.
And then God judges us.
And then you have the Eastern religions where they believe in the reincarnation cycle, where we keep coming into this world to have different experiences, to learn lessons and evolve.
And I challenge both of those big time.
In my books.
So what they don't want us to realize is that we are consciousness.
We are an aspect, an expression of an infinite state of consciousness, which you can call God, whatever name you want to give it.
I call it the infinite.
And we're part of that.
And if we open our consciousness, open our minds, we can Go deeper and deeper and deeper into this infinite state of consciousness and we can learn more and more.
I would not learn more and more.
We can know more and more and more and more and more about the reality that we're experiencing and who we are and where we are and all the rest of it.
Now, this global cult doesn't want us to do that.
It wants to hold our attention.
This is the point.
Attention.
In this human reality, so that this is all we ever perceive.
And attention is, is a very important aspect of this.
You control perception by controlling attention.
For instance, okay, I'm looking now in this room, and I can see the room.
Now, if I focus my attention on my finger, The room has disappeared.
All I can see is that.
And that's basically the principle of human control.
It's focusing our attention on a myopia of reality.
And if you, for instance, look at the religions and you look at political belief systems and all the rest of it, cultural belief systems, they are in their own way, Focuses of attention.
So if you are a Muslim, your focus of attention is everything Muslim.
Anything outside of that, well, that's wrong because it's outside of the Muslim belief system.
These are focuses of attention.
And if you go through and let go, of this self-identity.
What's self-identity?
It's a state of attention.
This is who I am.
If you let go of the self-identity that we are just human, and the labels of a human life, and transfer your self-identity to I am consciousness, ultimately all consciousness, having a brief human experience, everything changes.
Because you're not living in a world of myopia anymore and solidified belief system.
You are suddenly not only open to all possibility.
You are tapping in to greater and greater swathes of all possibility.
Because when you focus your attention on little me, this is all I am.
I'm just a human.
What power do I have?
That attention, that perception, squeezes the amount of awareness, consciousness that you're actually tapping into.
Becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Little me belief system becomes little me life.
But once you, and therefore you are tapping into very, very small areas of potential consciousness and awareness, and people in that mode therefore look outside of themselves to get a fix on the world, and what do they look to?
Journalists, politicians, doctors, scientists, academics, to tell them what to think, teachers, Whereas when you assign your self-identity to I am consciousness, that expanded self-identity expands the swathes of consciousness you're tapping into, and suddenly you can see things you couldn't see before.
I've had people say to me, this is what they call awakening, what I'm describing.
And I've heard people say to me, mate, it's so obvious.
Why couldn't I see it before?
Because you were there before and now you're here and now you can see it.
And it's this awakening, this expansion of consciousness into the greater consciousness so that we access more and more of its knowledge, awareness, wisdom, love.
That's what the box is there to stop.
That's why they... What is the box?
It's a perceptual box.
And you're absolutely right.
If you look at this cult, it created the human education system.
If you look at the American education system alone, it was created by the Rockefellers.
They created it, people like J.D.
Rockefeller, the oil tycoon, who also actually was fundamental in creating Big Pharma, actually, the Rockefeller family.
So the Rockefeller family created the World Health Organization.
And so you have this education system, and it's not there to educate, it's there to program.
That's a programmed perception because what do the Nazis say?
You know, give me give me a child to the age of seven.
I'll show you the man.
Because if you can install and infuse a belief system, a limited belief system into a child, they're going to take that through their life because from that moment on, they've got to deprogram themselves to actually Get out of the programming that's controlling their perception.
And the idea is that you go through the education system.
That's all programming you.
You, you, you have access to the media now 24 seven and the internet and all that stuff.
And that's the same program.
You go to university and professors with letters after the name program.
You were the same program of their program.
They're just programmers programming the next generation.
You go out into the world.
of work and you're meeting people that have been through the same program process you've been through but earlier and they're confirming to you that what the program told you is true because they've been told the program is true and they believed it and it all becomes everyone telling everyone else what is normal and what is normal?
Normal is only what we normally experience.
That's all it is.
It doesn't go beyond that.
And so we come back to what I was saying earlier.
If you are prepared to disconnect from groupthink of the kind I'm talking about in all its forms, then you can break through that sense of normality and see what's on the other side of it.
And then what happens is you start to see this world for what it really is, Although there's always more to know.
And what you are going to get, I know from experience, is a lot of attacks and abuse and ridicule, because what you're saying is not normal.
And this perception of normal is the foundation of the human belief system program.
Right.
For the purposes of controlling.
Yeah, exactly.
Controlling.
Not to your benefit, people.
Just, you know, I'm sure you know.
It's not to your benefit.
It's to have you be, you know, serve those who are trying to keep you in the box.
Keep your mind closed.
Like, don't open your perception.
Don't dare do that because we need you to, you know, to serve us.
So, I'll tell you what the irony is.
Can we escape the matrix?
I'll just tell you what the irony is very quickly.
The cult is passing on through the secret society networks and the secret society rituals outside of the population.
It's passing on knowledge about the nature of reality and the nature of where humanity is being taken.
And it's keeping that knowledge from the population because obviously it doesn't want it to know either.
Passing it on amongst themselves.
People like me come along and they research all this stuff decade after decade.
They start uncovering what they know and they communicate it to the population and the difference between what they know and what the population is allowed to know is so massive that the population just reject any idea that what you're
saying can have any credibility.
And it can be a frustrating job. And may I interject, not only do they do that,
but they create a psychological operation so that you don't listen outside of the box.
Like, you laugh at people.
If you're talking about that there are beings from another planet in the multiverse, really?
I mean, come on.
Come on, people.
Humanity, really human beings, the only living beings in the multiverse?
I don't think so.
But, you know, they create a psyop to laugh about that.
And they call it the, you know, the good old label, the gaffer's tape, I say on the mouth, call him a conspiracy theorist, and then everybody will laugh at him.
Yeah, and Little Green Men, that's the other one, isn't it?
Oh, he believes in Little Green Men!
You don't believe that anything exists outside of humanity.
Have you have you looked at the night sky?
And that's the tiny, tiny fraction of the universe.
And just one universe, not all the others.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
And, you know, you know, that story of the Empress New Clothes?
Yes.
Where the Emperor is naked.
But the population don't want to say the Emperor is naked.
So they're saying to the Emperor, oh, that's a lovely coat.
Oh, they're lovely clothes, Emperor.
And there's a little child that goes, he's got no clothes on.
He's naked.
What are you talking about?
And that's what people like me are doing.
We're saying, hold on, hold on, hold on.
The Emperor has no clothes.
Look at it again.
And it's not a popular place to be, but, you know, it's got to be done.
I know.
You just kind of look around at people and go, don't you?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Don't you see it?
It's right there.
Anyway, so.
OK, and we have AI coming and we're talking about, you know, a simulation or a technologically generated simulation, which, you know, we call a matrix.
First of all, explain, if you can, David, just from our conversation that we've had thus far, how would you explain to someone what is the simulation here?
How is it generated?
How are we seeing it?
I mean, are we really in one?
Can we escape it?
Do we have to escape it individually?
Do we have to have enough people?
There are a lot of people who do not want to exist in their matrix, okay?
It's like we want to get outside of the matrix.
Is that possible?
I believe it is.
I believe it is.
I think there are different levels that we can escape because they've got us intertwined in the tax system and in the education.
It's absolutely possible.
And you know, what makes it easier to explain How the matrix and simulation works is because as we have watched this technological world unfold before us more and more quickly and expanding ever faster, what it's doing is technologically mimicking the very reality that we're experiencing.
So, The matrix is not a construct.
It's a source of information.
And you can describe this very accurately as like a Wi-Fi field.
You know, if there was Wi-Fi in this room, where is it?
My eyes can't see it, but it's there.
And if you said to someone who knew nothing about computers or Wi-Fi, that there was a field of radiation in the room and you could tap into it with a computer anywhere in the world and pick up the same internet, the same reality, anywhere in the world that you could tap into with a computer.
If people didn't know about computers and didn't know about Wi-Fi, they'd say, you're mad, mate.
That's ridiculous.
What do you mean there's something in this room you can tap into?
I can't see it.
Well, actually, you cannot see anything, mate.
So don't take that as a criteria.
But let's look at this dynamic between Wi-Fi and a computer, because it's exactly the same dynamic in principle as the dynamic between The simulation and the human body.
I've been calling the human body since the 1990s a biological computer.
And that's what it is.
It's the body that is decoding the matrix.
Sorry, sorry, sorry, back up.
I'll come to that.
The body is a biological computer that is doing the same job that this computer does with Wi-Fi.
So if you said to someone, tell me about the Internet, they'd say, well, it's graphics and videos and words on the computer screen.
Yes, it is.
But the only place the Internet exists in that form is on the screen.
Everywhere else it's Wi-Fi field and electronic circuits and codes.
The only place the Internet exists in the form we perceive the Internet is on the computer screen.
And then the next thing is, where is the Internet in relation to the computer?
Is it over there?
Is it over there?
Is it up there?
No, it's inside the computer.
OK, so let's play this out.
But it's also everywhere, the waves, the Wi-Fi waves.
Yes, it is.
It's everywhere.
But it's when you, when a computer decodes it, that's when it becomes the reality you see on the screen.
Otherwise, it's in a radiation Wi-Fi form, a wave form, if you like.
Sorry, I'm going to interject and I really shouldn't, but it's like, that's what we are.
We are creating, we are the, as I say, the camera projector.
And the film that goes in us, unfortunately, is mostly created through the media, et cetera, et cetera, education, all these things that we listed.
That's the film that they're putting in our projector because they know we are creating this reality.
So we have to... Go ahead.
Yeah, well, if we play what I've just said across The Matrix and the Human Body.
This is mainstream science now, but it just doesn't fit the pieces together.
The five senses are how we tap into the Matrix, how we tap into the information field, the Wi-Fi field that is the Matrix, the simulation.
And what the five senses do, all of them, The ears are the most obvious with sound waves, but they're tapping in to frequency information in the simulation field.
And what they do then is they turn that information, waveform frequency information, into electrical information, which is communicated to the brain.
And the brain then Decodes that electrical information into digital holographic information, which we perceive as the external world think of the Think of the the internet on the screen as opposed to in the way the Wi-Fi field and so we Think we're experiencing an external world that's outside of us when actually it's all in here just as it's all in the computer and so if you can
If you can look at the brain, there are different parts of the brain that specialize in decoding the different senses.
And what the brain then does is put that information together and it becomes the world that we think is the human world outside of us.
So the whole The whole matrix is a source of information which we are decoding.
So when we have a what they call a near-death experience, Where people's body, quote, dies, and their consciousness, their awareness leaves the body.
I mean, there's millions and millions of people now have had these experiences, not just now, but through history.
You go on the internet, you see endless people describing, in very common themes, what happened.
What it is, is while we're in the body, the body is decoding the matrix.
So this is our reality.
The moment the body computer ceases to function, then our consciousness starts to experience a different reality, because this is not decoding this one anymore.
And it's the very same principle, again, Technology is mimicking the reality we're experiencing.
It's the same principle as putting on a headset and watching or playing a virtual reality computer game.
OK, so if you go on the Internet and you put into a video platform virtual reality compilation or whatever, What you'll see is you'll see people putting a headset on and within seconds their reality is completely different.
This is now dictating their sense of reality.
You'll see them screaming, running, falling off chairs.
The reality is completely taken over.
Now that happens with a headset and What they can then do is take the headset off and they go, phew, it was just a game.
But what if this was their headset?
Look, you come out of the womb with a headset on and this headset is decoding a reality which you take to be the reality that you're experiencing, which it is just like a headset reality is the reality you're experiencing at that time.
Your parents have got headsets on, which is influencing their perception.
And then you go to school and you've got teachers with headsets on and all your mates have got headsets on.
And the headset is dictating their reality, their perception of reality, their perception of who they are.
You go through the education system, you go to university or college or whatever, and there's professors and academics all with headsets on.
The people you interact with have all got headsets on.
It's all telling them, feeding them the same sense of reality.
You turn on the television news and someone with a headset on says, good evening and welcome.
Here's the news.
This is what happens today.
And of course, what happens, what will happen unless you override that program with consciousness, which is what I'm talking about earlier, you're going to go through your entire life Believing that this is real, that this is a solid reality, when actually you're just decoding a virtual reality game.
And it's the freedom comes when you realize that.
You know, my latest book is called The Dream, because that's what this is.
It's a dream, but it's not just a dream.
It's an induced dream.
It's telling you what the dream is.
That's what the box is all about.
That's what programming perception is all about.
And you know, you're not supposed to question the foundations of normal.
Because if you do, you might end up down the road that I've gone, which says actually, this reality is absolutely nothing like we're told it is.
And So it's the box is there, literally to keep you in a perceptual state that believes that the dream is real.
And when I talk about an induced dream, years and years ago, decades ago now, I was a mainstream journalist on a newspaper.
And I would wake up in the morning.
It happened often, often over a long period of time.
I wake up in the morning, I put the radio on the news station on see what was happening that day, that morning.
And I would often fall asleep.
While I, you know, my half sleep when I'm waking up, and I would have lucid dreams.
Often several times a week.
And it seemed to go on forever.
But it obviously didn't.
It was just seconds.
And when I woke up from the lucid dream, the dream I was having was related to the story being played on the radio, being discussed and described on the radio.
Day after day that happened, because what was coming out of the radio in terms of the subject of the story was inducing a dream In my consciousness, in my brain.
And what this matrix simulation field of information is doing, it's inducing a dream.
It's telling you all this is real.
And so you tap the desk and it's solid.
But quantum physics will show you it can't be.
You know, These solid objects are supposed to be made of atoms.
Okay, so atoms are the basis of our physicality.
Oh yeah?
Well, look inside an atom.
It's empty space.
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Atoms are the basis of our physicality.
Oh, yeah.
Well, look inside an atom.
It's empty space.
It's a it's it's a nucleus with electrons going around it.
Right.
There's no there's no there's no solidity about an atom.
And I saw this description of an atom, which really puts it into perspective.
It said, if the the atom or the nucleus of the atom was the size, or let me put it the other way around.
If the atom was the size of a baseball stadium, The nucleus of the atom would be the size of a 10 cent piece.
Everything else is empty space.
It's not solid at all.
So our solid world cannot be made solid by atoms, because atoms have no solidity.
And the deeper you get into quantum physics, you realize there's no solidity to anything.
It's an illusion.
It's an illusion of physicality, and it's based on holograms.
Once again, We're seeing with the development of an advancement of holograms, a mimicking of the reality we're experiencing.
Because if you go to the cutting edge now of holograms, they look as solid as you and me, the best of them, but you could walk through them because they have no solidity, but they appear to.
And the whole thing is, The whole thing is a dream.
And there's two types of dream.
Coming back to this whole idea of awakening.
You can dream and you don't realize it's a dream.
So you become emotionally connected and influenced and impacted by the dream.
People have those dreams all the time.
You wake up, oh my God, I just had a nightmare.
And then there's the other kind of dream, which I'm sure everyone will have had from time to time.
I have them all the time, where you have a dream, but you know, it's a dream.
You know, it's a dream and you become an observer of the dream and you don't get emotionally pulled in.
The dream is not impacting upon your emotions and your perceptual state as a normal dream does, because you know, it's a dream.
And once you realize what this reality is, that it's not what we're told it is, it's a dream, an induced dream, then its impact upon you dramatically reduces.
And you don't get pulled in emotionally into every last facet of the dream, because you know it's a dream.
Okay, so, David, if somebody wants to say, we'll call it escape the matrix, if you want to word it differently, fine.
They don't want to be plugged into this control system.
They want to be free, free spirit, free human.
You know, it's like, A lot of us feel like we're puppets, right?
And there are all these strings attached to us that are controlling, you know, oh, you got to pay taxes.
You got to do this.
You got to go through this such case.
You got to, you know, be a debt slave.
You got to go to big, you know, get your drugs from Big Harma.
You've got to, you know, go to the, I mean, all the different systems.
And it's like, Right?
We're being pulled and yet our life source is being sucked up like a use of a battery by these, you know, people who are creating this matrix.
And then we have the whole AI thing, but just to sort of wrap it, you know, in our wrap up, like, yeah, if we want to escape the matrix, what have you to say about that, David Icke?
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, there's two things there.
One of them is a simple question, which is very relevant.
Why would, why would anything bother to create a simulation?
And this is something I started picking up from multiple sources now, in the 1990s, is that this force, which is a non-human force that operates outside of visible light, that's why we can't see it.
It operates in a dimension that's known as the astral, or the fourth dimension, if you take this to be the third dimension.
Very close to this one, but not close enough for us to see it.
This force feeds off human emotional, mental too, but overwhelmingly emotional energy.
Whoa.
And man, is it being ramped up right now.
I'm sorry.
I just had to interject on that.
Everybody's feeling it.
Please proceed.
Well, do you remember in the Matrix movies when the Morpheus character held up the battery and said, the Matrix is a computer generated dream world built to turn humans into one of these?
That was a profound truth in an apparently fictional movie, because that's what's happening.
And you, you therefore have a situation where This force, by its very nature, is a low vibrational phenomenon.
It does what it does because it's in a very low vibrational state.
What is evil?
I say evil is the absence of love.
It gives you an idea of the low vibrational state that we're involved in.
For that force to absorb human energy, that human energy has to be in a band of frequency that matches its band of frequency, thus it can absorb it.
Otherwise, never the twain shall meet, like radio stations on the analog system on different wavelengths.
They share the same space without interfering with each other.
So the simulation has been created so that human life, from the very foundation of even knowing what human life is, Can be manipulated to generate mass human production of low vibrational energy parasites.
And so we're talking about fear.
We're talking about anxiety.
We're talking about depression.
We're talking about worry.
We're talking about hatred.
We're talking about conflict.
We're talking about war.
All these things have to happen.
To put humans in a perceptual, emotional state that will generate this information, this energy which they want to absorb.
And some people who've studied this over the years have given the name to this energy, this low vibrational energy of Loosh.
There was a guy called Robert Monroe, Who he popularized out of body experiences where people can project their consciousness into this astral dimension.
A lot of people can do that.
And he became very good at it.
In fact, he became so good at it that the CIA asked him if he would take part in a project called Gateway.
In which they got together people who had this ability to project their consciousness into this astral dimension, where these entities are, this force is.
And they did this project.
And according to Monroe, when he was in this astral dimension, He was told that there were entities, which seemed to have taken a reptilian form, that were feeding off human energy, low vibrational human energy.
So this force has no interest whatsoever in a world of love, a world of peace, a world of harmony.
Its interest is only in conflict, upheaval, fear, and all those other emotions.
And a military guy who was involved in the Gateway Project said later that the The people taking part who were projecting their consciousness into this astral dimension came across so many reptilian entities that in the project they actually gave them the name of the alligators.
Oh, I've seen some more alligators.
So this astral dimension operates outside of visible light.
That's why we can't see it.
That's why we can't see the real controllers.
And this network I call the global cult, this network of secret societies, They are the representatives of this force within human society.
So they're basically the gophers of this force within human society, within the frequency band of human reality.
And so when they are doing their rituals, Their rituals are the interaction with these perceived gods in this astral dimension.
And, you know, when I started really investigating in the 1990s these key players in the global cult, a common theme was that they were taking part in satanic ritual, also pedophilia, but they were taking part in satanic ritual.
And then I Look, looked at history and saw, and I'm talking, I'm talking human sacrifice ritual too.
Again, this is so mind blowing for people in their perceived normal.
Look, they never do that.
Oh, they do.
They do.
They do often.
But if, if you, then I look back at the, the ancients where they were sacrificing people to the gods.
Often children, under the guise of young virgins sacrificed to the gods, they were doing it openly in those days because it was acceptable to those societies.
And you start to realize then, the penny drops, that the gods that they were sacrificing to are the same ones that these elite cultists are sacrificing people to today.
The difference is they have to do it in secret now because it's not acceptable to human society as it was then.
And then my question was.
Sacrificing to the gods.
What do the gods get out of it?
And then you realize that actually what these rituals are, are focused expressions of what I've just described.
What they do, and I've talked to Satanists all over the world about this and former Satanists and people who were in Satanism against their will.
And they've described a very common theme to me over many, many, many years.
And that is that the ritual is designed to generate maximum terror in the victim and to build it up and build it up.
And so what's happening with that terror, which is a very, very powerful emotional discharge of energy, Is that these entities, in the unseen, are absorbing that energy.
Because, you know, when someone's in an emotional state, you can see the state they're in by their body language and their actions.
But you can't see the emotional frequencies coming off them, which science well knows exist, because they're going into the astral.
They're beyond human sight.
And so as we generate these low vibrational emotional states, or I mean, think of a war, think of a world war and how much energy is generated of this kind then.
And by the way, they fund both sides.
So it's all created.
It's not haphazard, as you mentioned at the beginning of this broadcast.
But they fund both sides because they have to keep having wars and conflict and fear and suffering because that's the energy they feed off.
That's the point.
That's why the world is as it is.
And if we only realize that, then we would start to have a chance of sorting this out.
But if it's kept from us and it all seems to be random, then there's no way that we're going to grasp what's actually what's actually going on.
And for people to open their minds, David, to this, because how are we going to wake up and change it and switch it if people, you know, please open your minds.
There's so much beyond what you're taught and told.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
But, you know, so what they do in these rituals is the terror of the victim.
These entities who are part of the ritual in the unseen, they're absorbing that energy.
And what happens in this reality, Is that that terror generates an adrenaline, a very powerful adrenaline that enters the blood.
And that's what the Satanists within human reality conducting the ritual, that's what they drink.
Adrenochrome you're talking about.
Yeah, it's adrenaline in the blood.
It's like a drug to them.
This is a fact.
So things that seem to be so out there start to make sense when you see why they're doing it and to what end.
And this is why these major players, billionaire players, etc., in this cult are Satanist, because this is what they do.
They are serving their masters in the astral.
And you know, if you look at all over the world, Almost every ancient society has a pantheon of gods.
You have the African pantheon, the Greek pantheon, and so on and so forth.
And these are all the same bloody gods.
They're these astral entities that are manipulating human society.
And the way that we can get out of this matrix, this dream, this induced dream, is to stop believing in it.
See, it's what what holds us here is attachment.
People are attached to this reality in many various ways.
And, you know, you can understand why people are attached in to this reality, given it's what they're experiencing.
But it's it's this when it dawns on you, not just from a conceptual point of view, but when it becomes you, that this is a dream.
Then so much that attaches you to this reality starts to fade away.
And it's like you can enter, especially by your expansion of self-identity.
I am all that is, has been and ever can be.
I've been a brief experience called human.
That alone takes you into a vibrational frequency state that allows you out of the matrix.
Because the matrix is a frequency field of information and the idea is to hold human perception into a state that will generate a frequency that's within the simulation.
So you're in the in the simulation and of the simulation.
Because science is well established that every time we feel emotion or we think we're generating a frequency.
And the nature of the thought or the nature of the emotion dictates the frequency.
So I've talked about low vibrational emotions around the base emotion of fear.
But things like love and joy and appreciation, they're very high frequencies.
Right.
And they will vibrate your field, your essence to a much higher frequency than getting caught
in the low vibrational states that most humans are in because of the
circumstances that are created in this in this simulated madhouse.
And the more you detach from that, the more you, you realize that the things that upset us and pull us in and make us angry and all this that thing.
It's all there to generate this low vibrational energy.
And once you stop emotionally reacting to all these stimuli to get us to generate that energy, then you start withdrawing from the matrix.
You become, like I said earlier, in the lucid dream, you become the observer of the dream.
Now, now, now the dream, the human world is not impacting you on on you like it was before, because you're not seeing it.
You're not in it anymore.
You're observing it.
And I can tell you from experience of going through this process that You don't get pulled in to things.
What matters suddenly becomes myopic compared with what we thought mattered before.
Like, you know, someone cuts you up at the lights.
Oh my God!
Oh, okay.
Exactly!
That's where I am!
You're an idiot, but I can cope with that.
Right!
And you don't get pulled in in the same way, because you realize it's a dream.
And when you become an observer of the dream, rather than caught in the dream, everything changes.
And you become much calmer for a start, because things don't get to you like they did before.
Because you realize it's just a virtual reality game.
It's not real.
And also realizing that they, you know, it ramps up, boy, when they see us become, you know, becoming more sort of enlightened and more from the love vibe and the compassion and the gratitude and the forgiveness and all that good stuff, all that high vibe stuff, when they can, they can probably measure it, but that's a whole other conversation.
But they don't want us like that.
There's no energy in it for them.
That's why the world is... That's right, because they're parasites, they're vampires.
Parasites, that's exactly what they are.
Yes, and they'll go until they suck us dry.
But now people are starting to wake up.
And so then they make it, this is what we need to be aware of, David,
and I know you well know, is that when we start becoming, say, more in the vibe,
the high vibrations, they're like, holy shit, we can't have that.
And then they ramp it up with their plandemics and scandemics and false flags
and wars that they fund both sides, et cetera.
So just for us to be aware that we have to, you know, challenge ourselves even more
to always work in that vibration, which I do constantly.
I'm like totally unplugged from the mainstream mockingbird bullshit media.
And then when you tap back into it, it's like, it feels really weird.
But in any event, we're coming into great times.
That's why they're ramping, they're ramping things up.
Yeah.
But you, you, you make a very good point here because you know, Given the circumstances that I'm describing and how this force is not all powerful and it's not all knowing, it's knowing knowledge advantage only comes from keeping its target population in ignorance systematically.
It's not all knowing.
And it is dependent upon us for reasons I go into in the books.
It is dependent on us for its source of energy.
Therefore, it depends on us.
We don't depend on it.
We don't need it.
It needs us.
And so when people start to awaken and stop producing in the same amount that low vibrational energy, Well, obviously, they're not just going to say, well, OK, that's it then.
No, they're going to say, how do we pull those people back into an emotional mental state where they're going to start generating that energy again?
And as people awaken to the political and financial etc.
levels and war manipulation levels of what's going on, then it's important that that process continues.
That doesn't just stop at politics and all this political manipulation and this financial manipulation and this war manipulation doesn't stop there.
You keep expanding your understanding to to realize that this is a dream and that we are actually feeding the dream by our belief in it, by our attachment to it.
Energy flows where attention goes.
Very, very good phrase.
That's what it is.
And if our attention can be held on the fact that this illusory reality is real, we energetically, through our attention, hold it together.
We're holding it together.
And this is why, you know, when you, you look at this, this force, it's absolutely terrified of humanity waking up beyond the The political level of the manipulation.
Because the game is over then.
Right.
The matrix drops.
And so what I've been pointing out in the last year, particularly, is how the so-called alternative media has been hijacked by people who overwhelmingly bought the COVID hoax and are now presented as anti-COVID activists, God knows how.
And what's happened is that the alternative media has regressed in its central, most promoted arena.
It's regressed.
I mean, for instance, there was pretty much a widespread agreement before COVID that we live in one party states.
But it doesn't matter who you vote for, because the same government with the same force behind it gets in under a different name.
Right.
But now we've regressed into left-right politics again.
And you cannot be alternative if you believe in left-right politics.
Divide and conquer.
Both of these left-right politics are controlled by the same force.
Therefore, it doesn't matter who gets in because the cult is still in power.
And so it's kind of regressed.
And what it's focusing on is the just the political, the financial, the war manipulation level of it, which, you know, I've been covering and exposing for 35 years.
It needs exposing.
Of course it does.
But if you stop there, then you stop the expansion continuing into grasping that not only Is this a political manipulation?
The very reality that we are experiencing is the foundation of the manipulation.
The manipulation of the population's perception to the extent that we think we're in a solid reality world, which is actually just a decoded Wi-Fi field dream.
That's where the real control is coming from.
And if you don't, if you keep having, it's interesting, we're kind of completing the circle here.
If you have belief systems, religious belief systems, political belief systems, et cetera, that are removable, You're not going to get to this awareness, because once you get to this awareness, all those belief systems are all over the cutting room floor.
They can't survive being questioned from this perspective.
Right.
And so these groupthink belief systems are all like cul-de-sacs.
To stop you getting to the understanding.
This is a dream.
Our belief in the dream is holding it together.
And the idea is that we are manipulated into low vibrational emotional states so we feed the beast.
Once you realize that, everything changes.
And everything is put in the way to stop you getting there.
Right.
That's why I say, when people say I'm awake, no you're not.
I don't say I'm awake.
We are awakening.
It's a process of awakening.
And the one thing you know, which cannot ever be challenged credibly, is whatever we know or think we know at any point There's always more to know.
And if there's always more to know, you don't get to a certain level of awareness and stop because there's always more to know.
And it's that knowledge that there's always more to know that keeps you moving and pushing the cutting edge.
Right.
And using the instinct.
And David Icke, what an amazing conversation today.
Something that we've all been wondering about and Thank you for delving into it with us, and we're going to have you back soon, sir, honor right to know.
I've written a trilogy.
Please, let's talk about, yeah, your books.
First one's called The Trap.
The second one, the current one, is called The Dream.
And I've literally, in the last two days, finished the third one called The Reveal, which will be out on September the 1st.
And all this that we've been talking about is in those books.
You've just completed the third of the trilogy.
Okay.
So I know the last one, The Dream, came out September of 2023.
Your third of the trilogy, so exciting, will be coming out in September of this year, 2024.
Amazing.
You have written well over 20 books, David.
Nearly 30 now.
Nearly 30.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh.
And banned from so many countries because they don't want what we're talking about today out there.
I mean, why else?
That's interesting, you know.
Like I said right at the start of our chat, I'm not attached to any belief system or any kind of, you know, network or organization.
I literally work alone.
You know, my son Jamie has got a media platform called Iconic, which I do programs for.
Shout out to Jamie.
Yeah.
But I basically work alone and I do that for a reason.
I want to go my own way.
So I'm not connected to any organization and I'm not connected to any belief system because I I want to express my uniqueness and go where the information takes me and not be connected to any organization that has a belief system it wants to pull me into.
I just won't do that.
And so I've written endless bloody books on these subjects and it moves on all the time.
But the point is that I'm therefore one bloke living on the Isle of Wight off the south coast of England, turning out these books and doing talks when I can, doing some in Britain this year.
But people in authority are so terrified of me.
I'm currently banned from 29 European countries and Australia.
The 29 European countries are in the Schengen system, border system, so if you're banned
from one, you're banned from all of them.
And I was banned from the Netherlands, so I was banned from all of them.
New world order.
And the United States and Canada apparently use the Schengen criteria.
You're banned from Schengen, then you're very unlikely to get into those countries.
And that that will be true with many others as well.
So I'm banned from a great, great series of countries.
And I'm just one bloke who's constantly seeking to push the cutting edge of what the hell is going on.
And for them to be that terrified that they have to go to those lengths, it tells you something about the information I'm talking about.
Exactly.
So check out David's new books, and I know they're on Audible as well, I believe, because there are a lot of people that like to listen to Audible.
Yeah, The Trap and The Dream are audiobooks as well, yeah.
Excellent.
All right, David Icke, you're a real champion.
You are an icon.
We are so grateful for What you've done for humanity the last many decades.
I've seen you live and in person, and there's nothing like it.
That was truly, truly an amazing conference, and that happened to have been here in Southern California, and I was so grateful to meet you live and in person, as well as Jamie.
Shout out.
And anyway, everyone, keep it tuned.
David Icke, we're going to have you back soon on A Right to Know in between your busy schedule.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you very much.
It's been a real pleasure.
And everybody else, make sure to keep it tuned because you have a right to know.
There's a lot of things that I've said over the years which were perceived to be crazy.
And then suddenly, they start to move mainstream.
I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
What is real?
How do you define real?
If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
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