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May 1, 2024 - David Icke
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Hello and welcome to this great gathering of the Awakening people.
The theme is your leap into the next dimension.
Today I have the great honor to welcome the living legend, David Icke.
It's really not easy to find the words that do you justice.
You are the one that kicked off the truth movement nearly 35 years ago against all odds.
When you came up with the truth, the world was clearly not ready to hear it.
Therefore, you had to face a staggering amount of ridicule and abuse, but you didn't give up.
You kept going.
Unstoppable like a steam train, and after many years of unbelievable persistence, bravery and courage, when the agenda that you were warning us about started to become more and more obvious, the ice finally started to crack.
Today you are considered the most influential trucer on the face of the earth.
You even have been banned from 29 European countries and The whole continent, Australia.
Yeah, so, dear David, thank you so much for your priceless contribution and for being with us today.
That's a pleasure, yeah.
I must have said something they didn't like.
I can't think what it was.
Me?
No, no, the 29 countries in Australia.
Yeah, because you didn't commit any sort of infraction or crime.
So if somebody has committed a crime, you could argue that?
But you clearly haven't, so... No, I'll tell you the funny thing, though, mate.
Well, it's not really funny, but I guess it is, if you look at it.
The 29 European countries that ban is because they're all in the Schengen Group, the border group, and when you're banned in one, you're banned in all of them, which is why this global cult that I call, as I call it, likes to create groupings.
Where if you are targeted by one, you get the consequences from all.
The European Union is a classic, where you have the centralisation of decision making.
Actually, in truth, in a handful of bureaucrats at the centre who answer to this cult, ultimately.
And what they decide is then impacted upon the whole of the European Union.
This is how it works.
And the Schengen border group is like that.
And so the country that banned me was the Netherlands, which, I mean, it's hilarious, really.
There's a lot of people in the Netherlands still believe it's a liberal democracy.
It'd be almost funny if it wasn't tragic.
I was invited to go and speak there in a peace rally, calling for peace, in the autumn of 2022.
And all hell broke loose.
I was all over the mainstream media in the Netherlands for about three weeks, just totally being demonized.
And not once did any of them ask me in that period to go on their shows and give my side of it.
And one of the key people that invited me was a Jewish friend of mine called Mordecai.
Great guy.
And I was banned because I'm kind of anti-Semitic, apparently.
And this is a catch-all phrase or a slur, if you like, that's used constantly and has been used against me constantly for decades, literally, to shut down my events.
We reached a point where I think my son Jamie tried about 70 different venues in Germany some years ago now, and we couldn't get a venue to speak in Germany.
It was supposed to be a free country.
Because either the venues would say no immediately, or those that agreed, yeah, okay, well, you can come and speak here, they were then targeted with threats and they pulled out.
And so it was, that's been a constant thing.
And I was banned from Australia for the same reason.
And it's really, really easy.
What you do is you equate criticism of the Israeli government, and we're starting to see with what's happening in Gaza, the nature of the Israeli government, and You equate that with saying all Jewish people are bad people, which they're not.
So that's, it's dead easy.
And they have groups around the world, like the Anti-Defamation League in America, which operates worldwide, and others.
And it was kind of one such operation in the Netherlands that kicked it all off.
And as a result of being banned from one country, I'm banned from the whole Schengen Group.
But what I was saying, it's almost funny, earlier, is because they came up with a law to ban me, which was absolutely not applicable.
But a few months after they banned me with that law, the Schengen Group changed the law.
So I'm banned Under a law that does no longer exist.
And we tried to challenge the ruling in court.
Great guys, including Mordecai, in the Netherlands, were taking this to court.
And first of all, during the court hearings, the government lawyer who put forward no case at all, it was pathetic, he said that if I didn't change my views, which of course I'm not going to, then when the ban runs out, it's supposed to run out this year in the autumn, it was a two-year ban, then it would be just Continued, if I hadn't changed my views.
So it's a permanent ban in his mind.
And the judge eventually ruled, I mean, how embarrassing can you get, that although yes, The law that banned me no longer exists.
It did exist when they banned me.
So it's all a joke.
And the reason is they don't want what I have to say to be circulated in their countries.
And you know, I'm banned from 29 in Europe.
And Australia.
But there are other countries that take the Schengen criteria for whether they will allow someone into the country.
So if I tried to get into a lot of other countries, I'd find that I couldn't.
Maybe even America, who knows?
But, you know, what you can do in these situations is become a victim.
Oh, poor me.
How can they do this to me?
Or you can take it as a confirmation that you're over the target and it drives you on.
And so they can do what they like to me, but I ain't stopping.
Yeah, I mean, that's the whole story of your life, basically, because there was many people trying to stop you, many groups.
And then also when the When the Corona fake story happened, you were banned from YouTube and Facebook and all the social media.
So you were banned all the time, but you still have a great audience.
And that's remarkable.
I mean, you moved to band.video with Alex Jones and immediately you had great numbers.
So you're really unstoppable.
Yeah, well, you know, it's interesting that I see some people in the alternative media, you know, if they have one video taken now, there's like a furore.
And so there should be because, you know, People should be allowed to say what they want to say and take the consequences for saying it.
You know, if they upset people, well, they upset people, but they should have the right to give their opinion.
I may not agree with it.
You know, this old idea of freedom of speech, it's actually the freedom to speak.
That's what it is.
And if you start saying, well, you can say this, but you can't say that, then that's not freedom of speech.
You know, if anyone is banned from saying what they think, then there's no freedom of speech.
There's only the freedom to stay within certain parameters.
And so for me, people should be allowed to say what they want to say, which means that at least we know where they're coming from.
You're not pushing it underground, you know where they're coming from.
And it's out in the open.
And we can have a debate about what they're saying and why they're saying it and whether it's factually supportable by evidence or not.
Rather than, oh, this is this is bad for the this is bad for the state.
Yes.
So we're going to censor them.
But also, we've seen A number of incidences in the so-called alternative media, what I call the mainstream alternative media, the kind of central core of it, where they're also into censorship.
I mean, this lady, Candace Owens, has been criticizing Israel's actions and behavior and appalling mass murder, actually, in Gaza.
And she's been fired from the Daily Wire, headed up by Ben Shapiro, who is an Israel first up.
And ironically, you see, this is the point where you go so further and stop.
Ben Shapiro got his reputation in the alternative by challenging the cancel culture.
In part, I mean other things too, but that was a central part of it.
So if you don't like the cancel culture, then that means the cancel culture.
It doesn't mean this bit, but not that bit.
And so, you know, if you're running an operation like the Daily Wire, and you hire people to be presenters and give their opinion, Then you must respect what that opinion is, even if it differs from yours.
And so, you know, it's this idea that if people stray too far from what I believe, then somehow there's got to be sanctions against them.
Well, have a debate with them!
Debate what is happening and what they're saying against what you're saying, and then let the viewer decide what they make of it.
Because this is the thing, you know, the mainstream media is overwhelmingly telling the public what to believe.
It's no good if we're going to say that we're different from the If we go on telling people what to believe while at the same time wanting sanctions against those that have a different opinion, that's not moving on.
It's just going round in a circle.
So for me, people should be allowed to say what they want and then let's debate what they're saying and see if it stands up to scrutiny.
One of the things you were teaching us or explaining many times is that when events happen in the world, it's generally not by accident.
Yes, there's generally a plan behind it.
And now we have this sort of event when it looks like that the alternative media is changing a little, is being taken over by new groups.
Do you think this is a random development?
Or do you think there is an agenda behind this?
Oh, 100%.
There's an agenda.
And, you know, I've been doing this a long time.
And I remember for a lot of years when I started out, there was no alternative media.
It didn't exist.
It was a few disparate individuals putting out, you know, what they were uncovering.
But there was no No grouping, no what you'd call media operation.
It was just individuals doing it, and there weren't many of them either.
And the opportunities you had to have a platform to speak on this stuff was very, very limited.
And then I saw the alternative media emerge, and it was great.
I didn't agree with everything that everyone said and thought and believed, but overall, It was, it was a real positive thing.
And then along came COVID.
And, you know, those of us who had been researching this for a long time, before COVID, called it out.
Immediately.
In the spring of 2020, I said, there is no virus.
It's a scam on that level.
And it's a scam designed to eventually get people vaccinated for it.
Actually, it turned out to be not a vaccination, but a fake vaccination that didn't fulfill the criteria of vaccinations up to that point.
So we were able to see that.
And then, of course, this is the question.
Covid was a big step forward for this global cult in many ways, but it was also a danger.
Because what the kind of things that I've been saying and people I may have been saying were put on public display.
And therefore, people could see them.
It wasn't a theory out there sometime never anymore.
It was actually in your face.
It was impacting on your life.
And so a lot of people who previously, and I met many, many, many of them, who had previously thought, oh, no, conspiracy, no, rubbish, realized actually it was real.
And so the question is, does anyone think That this global cult that was behind COVID and is behind this push towards global dystopia was going to just leave this alternative media alone and just let it get on with what it was doing.
Of course not.
It wanted to infiltrate it.
And infiltration.
What does that mean?
Well, you can infiltrate something.
By putting your people in there who knowingly represent your interests and unknowingly manipulating information and situations.
Okay.
But they are the few.
The other infiltration is infiltrating something with people who don't know.
That they are working in your interests, who simply have an attitude, a belief system, and a limitation of knowledge about the big picture of all this.
And all you have to do is put those people in by promoting the hell out of them.
Funding them, promoting the hell out of them, giving them big audiences.
I mean, if you look at Elon Musk, all he's got to do is retweet something from anyone and it gets millions of views.
I mean, tens of millions sometimes.
And so it's easy to promote the people that you want to promote.
With them not even knowing that what they're doing is serving the agenda they think they're opposing.
And there's a lot of those people.
It's a limitation of knowledge.
I mean, I've been doing this for maybe 35th year now, and I work seven days a week.
So over that period of three and a half decades of doing that, you accumulate an enormous amount of knowledge over a vast number of subjects.
So you're able to see things from that experience.
If you just come into it since COVID, which so many have, then you have a lot of speed to get up to.
And if you are the global cold and you see that basically the cat's out of the bag in the sense of you can't, to use another analogy, you can't put the genie back in the bottle completely because too many people have thought, what's happening?
Then you go into a A situation where instead of trying to shut it all down, I mean, that's what they want to do eventually, but at the moment, that's a challenge for them.
Then you create a situation of here and no further.
You put people in there that have a limited knowledge about what's actually happening in the greater, greater picture.
And who have a certain belief system, a lot of it's right-wing politics in America, for instance, a lot of it's Christian-based too, which kind of affects people's way of looking at the world.
I'm not saying they shouldn't, you know, follow their religion, follow it, but there are consequences for that in terms of open-minded research of what's going on.
And so you put those people in there and you don't have to tell them what to say and you don't have to basically control them at that level.
You just have to promote them because they're going to say and do what you want anyway, which a lot of people think, oh, they're exposing what's going on.
Well, you know, I've looked at The alternative media, particularly since Covid, and more and more actually as the years have passed, where so little compared with the past, is now being uncovered that is new.
You know, I'm seeing people doing podcasts or whatever and saying, oh, we discovered this, and it's all kind of revelation.
And I think, well, that was in my books 20 years ago.
So it's basically going round in circles and not moving outward and expanding, which it needs to, because this conspiracy, and there is one, Actually is not just even of this world, it goes beyond that.
And it goes to the very nature of the reality that we're experiencing.
And so there's this barricade of here and no further.
And one of the reasons that I'm calling it out constantly and vehemently is to Try to get those who are part of this hear and know further that's taken over the alternative media at its most promoted core and say to them, it's bigger than you're saying.
Look, look at the wider picture.
Look at what you're doing and how that's holding back The expansion into greater areas of awareness of how this whole thing works.
And so if you look at this mainstream alternative media, what I call the MAM, it's very much been hijacked by right-wing politics, particularly in America.
And it's been hijacked by myopia.
This idea that the future of everything depends on Trump getting elected.
If you look at his last period in office, the agenda just moved on.
He said he was going to build a wall to stop the flow of migrants across the southern border, but it never happened.
A key person and he's still bragging about it staggeringly in allowing the fake vaccine to be rolled out with its devastation of health and fatalities which have followed.
And he could have, if he believed in what he says, he could have pardoned Julian Assange and Edward Snowden at the end of his presidency, but instead he pardoned a load of crooks, including his son-in-law, Yared Kushner's father, who is a very close friend of Benjamin Netanyahu, as is Yared Kushner.
So this idea that We have to look for other people like politicians to save us is a nonsense.
I mean, at the last election, about 74 million people voted for Trump.
Well, what impact could 74 million people have in America if they didn't give their power away to Trump and say, you do it for us?
Instead, they just cease to cooperate with their own enslavement on a 74 million scale.
I mean, the impact would be massive, but it doesn't happen.
It's like we've got to get a politician to do it for us.
Well, what the politicians do, and they're just here today, gone tomorrow, of course, is they buy time for you.
They buy time for the cult.
So you vote for Trump, as they did in, what was it, 2016.
And then the people that are pushbacking on this, they breathe a sigh of relief.
Oh, our man's in pew.
But the agenda still goes on.
Yeah, by Biden, who has been been the agenda on steroids, not that he he knows, but I mean, the people that control him, it's been the agenda on steroids since he got to power.
And, and, and, you know, it's, it's, it's a complete re-evaluation we need of so much and realize that politics is not the answer, it's the problem.
And the answer is ours, all of us.
You must have had some kind of deja vu because when you started, you were attacked by, I mean, the mainstream mindset people.
And then 20, 30 years later, you're calling out the alternative.
And again, you get attacked, and this time by the alternative for calling out them.
It's some kind of repetition.
Yeah, but I do want to make the difference between what I call the mainstream alternative, the MAM, which is here and no further, and others who are genuine researchers, genuine in the sense that they are driven by the evidence and not here and no further.
And there's a lot of them The difference between the two is that one gets massive promotion and audience because of that promotion, and the others don't.
And that's not by accident.
But like I say, what I'm trying to do, and it is having an effect, I do know that in some areas, What I'm trying to do is say to these people, who are genuine enough, but limited in their perception of the scale of it, that actually, you know, by going here and no further, you are actually serving the interests of that which you seek to oppose.
But there are some who are in there, and I don't think they're unknowing.
Myself.
And I'm watching them like a hawk with a telescope currently.
Because they're not people who are misguided.
They are people who I think are very much in knowledge of what they're doing.
Like agents.
And But there's something, I think, there's no going around the truth, or there's no getting away sooner or later.
I mean, lies don't go far, yes?
Maybe they have now big exposure and success, but I think in two or three years the truth will catch them, yes?
Well, what's happening?
And this global cult infiltration, In both ways, the few who know what they're doing and the most that don't.
It's, again, the same phrase, it's to buy time.
See, this cult has the goal of connecting artificial intelligence to the human brain, So that artificial intelligence becomes the human mind and humanity becomes a hive mind, like a beehive, centrally dictating their perceptions.
This sounds far out.
I've been writing about this for a long time and all the time.
You see it moving in that direction, with the creation, for instance, of this electromagnetic cloud, as they call it.
And that's the cloud to which the human mind is supposed to be connected, thus controlled by.
And you create this cloud by putting up towers around urban areas, you know, 5G towers, 6G, 7G to come.
But if you're going to cover the entire planet, then you've got to do that from satellite.
And Elon Musk, with SpaceX and others, including Amazon, are putting up – SpaceX is the leader by far – are putting up these tens of thousands of low-orbit satellites to beam the cloud, ultimately, to every inch of the Earth.
One of the things about this MAM situation is that it's become mesmerized by Elon Musk.
And I've been tracking Elon Musk way, way, way before he bought Twitter, Twitter X.
Because he was fronting up all these different companies that were very blatantly advancing this cult agenda, not least SpaceX, but also Tesla with the driverless cars and the electric cars, and also Neuralink with the brain implants.
A lot of people in the alternative media before were also calling him out, saying, you know, what he's doing is not good.
This is moving towards the transhumanist agenda, this AI control.
But then he buys Twitter.
Well, he and a lot of others bought Twitter, truth be told.
But we don't know who the others are because Twitter X is owned by a holding company called, a parent company, called X Holdings.
And he's gone to court to stop the investors, in other words, owners of that parent company, being revealed.
So, publicly.
So I've been tracking him for a long time, but my question, so when he bought Twitter, I was immediately interested because what's happening here, it's obviously not what it seems.
So if you look at Twitter before Musk, it was fiercely, I know myself, Fiercely policed in terms of what could be said and what could be posted.
Okay, so the deep state in America, which is the American expression of the global cold, had what it wanted.
It had control of what was posted on Twitter.
And then when Musk bought it, He released what were called the Twitter files to emphasize this.
Oh, is the proof, the documented proof that the deep state was controlling Twitter?
So my question at the time, which seemed not to be asked by, certainly wasn't asked by the mainstream alternative media, was why would a deep state, the global cult, that controlled what was posted on Twitter, which is exactly what he wanted, Why would it then sell it to a so-called free speech absolutist?
Indeed, threaten to take him to court to make him buy it, in the end.
And so, I have this phrase, know the outcome and you'll see the journey.
And also, look at outcomes.
Never mind the words, they're easy.
You just move your lips and words come out.
It's outcomes, it's actions.
What is the result of this?
And the opening up to a point, there's big shadow banning on Twitter X. Don't let anyone kid themselves about that.
We've reached a situation where, as he bought TwitterX and started to open it up to people to go back, the alternative media, the mainstream of it anyway, went into big-time cognitive dissonance, because now
What he's doing and continues to do all the time, he's posting on Twitter, more satellites have gone up with SpaceX.
He's still doing what he was doing before, serving the cult big, big time.
But the mainstream alternative media now sees him as a god.
And they shut their minds and their eyes to what he's doing.
I mean, you know, when he announced and Neuralink announced that they started human trials of this brain implant, normally you'd say, hey, what's going on here?
See, this is the plan.
This is what we told you.
But instead, it just came and went.
And so what has been the outcome of Elon Musk buying Twitter, that he's no longer being challenged and exposed for his cult-serving companies and what he's doing, as he was before.
I mean, there's a Dutch activist called Eva Vlandingerbroek, and about a year before What would it be?
2022, maybe?
She made a speech, which I saw online, in which she was saying that Elon Musk is not your friend because he's pushing the transhumanist agenda.
Absolutely spot on.
But that's not what she's saying now.
She is praising the free speech absolutist who isn't Musk.
And he can do no wrong.
So this is what I mean by the impact on the alternative of him buying Twitter.
And, you know, just because people have the opportunity to say things on Twitter that they couldn't say before, virtually everything, then it doesn't mean it's always going to be like that.
I mean, this lady, Linda Iaccarino, who is the CEO of TwitterX, appointed by Elon Musk, is a stalwart of the World Economic Forum of Klaus Schwab, which Elon Musk says he opposes.
And she has said that if you post something that's lawful, quite lawful to do it, but in her words, awful, Then you'll find it very difficult to find it on Twitter X. And she talks about freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach.
And so this is where the shadow banning comes from.
I mean, I'm shadow banned on many things that I I post quite obviously.
I mean, The number of people that follow my page on TwitterX now has dramatically increased in the last year.
Actually, less than a year.
A lot less than a year, actually.
And it's now sort of 600,000 plus, but that does not reflect in the number of people that see the posts.
Um, and I think that's a good thing.
And especially if I'm calling certain people out.
Yeah, I tested it.
I subscribed to your X account and I don't see everything you're posting.
So if I want to get updated, I have to go on your page.
But meanwhile, I see other stuff that I didn't ask for and it's generally politicized.
Or entertainment.
So you see that the algorithms, they're playing a big part of who gets the audience and who doesn't.
Yeah, well, that's very interesting.
You know, thanks for that.
It's very interesting you say that.
And other people have said it too.
But this is my point, you know.
You can police speech, the kind of speech you don't want.
More subtly, while still claiming to be in favor of freedom of speech.
Because you're doing it, like you say, through the algorithms.
And those people in the mainstream alternative media, the man, the here and no further people that they want to promote and get the big audiences.
Well, they're not shadowbanned.
And, you know, it only takes a repost from Elon Musk to get you, like I said earlier, tens of millions, sometimes, of views of something.
And, you know, it builds your audience as a result.
So, you know, I've said many times over the years that one of the greatest human diseases Is naivety and the mainstream alternative media has a lot of people in there now that are very, very naive in terms of not realizing what they're being used for.
Yeah, I think they also I mean the theme of this event I'm organizing here is your leap into the next dimension and I think this means also a lot of homework of things you have to figure out for yourself and to do but when you are politicized so you can give this away to somebody who will sort it out for you and
For example, at the beginning I fell for Trump.
I really thought, okay, he's going to make a difference.
And I was at the same time also listening to your podcast and you were warning from the beginning.
And I didn't listen to you, actually.
And then later I figured that you were totally right about it.
And now there are many people going for a second term.
They think, okay, he's coming back.
He will fix it again when he didn't before, so it's beyond naivety somehow, because you get screwed like two times, actually.
Well, there's an interesting thing going on with the southern border.
Some of the real usual suspects in big tech I've moved in on the alternative media.
One of them is Peter Thiel, who is intelligence community and Pentagon to his DNA.
He started a company called Palantir, which provides technology and other things for the intelligence community and the Pentagon to do with surveillance and all this kind of stuff.
And yet he's a major investor in rumble.
Which is supposed to be this freedom of speech video platform, kind of a video version of X, if you like.
And why would he be supporting that?
And one of the people that he's close to has a company that is working towards a biometric AI-controlled southern border.
And, you know, if you look at the agenda, which, you know, I've been writing about for a long time, but it's now becoming more and more obvious.
It's to control everything through artificial intelligence.
You know, once you start to get AI controlling the borders, well, the sky's the limit because you're moving it inland then more and more and more until the whole shebang is controlled by AI.
And you can do that because of the cloud, which these satellites are expanding all the time.
So you've got the European Union that is wanting to bring in, it tends to bring in biometric AI controlled borders.
And you know, this is an interesting point about why what's happening is happening with the mainstream alternative media.
As a result of COVID, but not just as a result of that, before that there was a lot of people I'll call them pushbackers.
And they are aware enough, and a lot of them in America are Trump supporters, not all of them.
They're aware enough to see a lot of where this is going, and they don't want it.
So you've got the Wokers, if you like, the Woke mentality, that's another global cult creation.
And what's called the left in politics, but it's not really the left.
I was brought up in left-wing politics with my father in Leicester in the 1950s and 60s.
And what we call the left now weren't the left then, I'll tell you.
The left then was calling out the millionaire control, the billionaire control as it is now, and not getting into bed with it.
So that side of it, they've got.
But it's the pushbackers of the problem.
So you've got to find a way of getting them on board.
And there's many reasons why they've opened the southern border of the United States and opened the borders of Europe, of course.
And one of them is to create a problem in need of a solution.
Now, if you want a solution, To unbelievable now numbers of people crossing the southern border unchallenged.
Then you build a wall from coast to coast that is high enough, big enough and defended enough that it can't be breached.
And then if anyone wants to come in, they have to come in legally where you know who's coming in.
But that's not been done.
That could be done.
And a key reason why it's not being done is they want a biometric AI system, which they want everywhere, but get it in the borders and you can then take it elsewhere.
And now we have Donald Trump making speeches not about building a wall, but about having an AI biometric border to stop people coming in.
And that's exactly what the Peter Thiels and these big tech oligarchs want as part of a much bigger picture.
So, you know, it's very easy, you know, if people get excited, they get excited and you get excited and you lose Calm evaluation.
So it's not, oh Trump's gonna do it, Trump's gonna do it, see what Trump said, oh yeah.
Because he's always going to tell you what you want to hear.
That's what they all do.
But just calm.
Look at what's happening, not what is being said.
And When you do that, you know, the idea that Trump's the saviour is almost laughable.
That's not to say I support Joe Biden.
He's even worse because of what's happened in the period since he officially, but only officially, came to office and came to power.
But the point is that If you think politics is the way forward, you're always going to be disappointed.
Look at history.
It's not there to serve you.
It's there to screw you.
That's the point.
I mean, in Britain at the moment, we have a conservative party led by an incredibly weak man called Rishi Sunak, Prime Minister.
Who is just pushing the agenda of the World Economic Forum, the cult in other words.
And he will be replaced, even if he survives that long, by the Labour Party, headed by a guy called Keir Starmer, who's a member of the Trilateral Commission, one of these cult groupings out of the United States.
And he will be Sunak on steroids.
The Labour Party being basically the equivalent of the Democrats in Britain.
And the Conservative Party, the kind of equivalent of the Republicans.
And so someone said something very true once.
They said, first of all, don't vote.
It only encourages them.
And something I said, whoever you vote for, the cult still gets in.
The only difference is the speed of movement.
So with the Republicans and the Conservative Party in this country, and it will be the same in every other country, you have basically people that don't want what's happening.
So you have to be much more circumspect with your language.
You have to tell people what they want to hear.
And you have to be much more careful and a bit more subtle in how you advance the agenda because you don't want to upset your natural constituency.
Although, if you're a president and you get in for the second time, you know you're not going to get in again because you can't.
So second term presidents will do things that first term presidents won't.
So with the woke parties like the Democrats and the Labour Party in this country, they don't have to be so circumspect.
So they move, they can move faster.
And when Keir Starmer comes in, in this country, the agenda is going to move very much faster than it has even up to this point.
So, but either way, they're still pushing the agenda forward.
It doesn't matter who you vote for, the cult still gets in.
And, you know, they can't do it if we won't cooperate.
But that bit's been lost by the belief that only through politics can you bring about change.
No, only through not cooperating with the politicians and their masters can you bring about change and the whole of human history shows that.
Yeah, your first book, I think that was Truth Vibrations, right?
And you were actually predicting that there will be a time when more and more people are going to wake up to the conspiracy, etc.
Realizing what's really happening and I truly believe this is happening.
I see that.
I mean, there is more and more people, you know, that become more open-minded and you can speak to them about what's going on.
I mean, you're the best person to, how I can say, to say that because 30 years ago when you had your speeches, there was maybe 10 or 15 people listening to you and now there will be hundreds of thousands online even millions, but at the same time the agenda is still going on, obviously.
So, do you have a, how can I say, a prediction or an idea when the agenda and humanity will actually part away?
Like really, you know?
Yeah, well that depends on A. how many wake up to it, And B, how many are prepared to not cooperate with it, instead of giving their power away to the next illusory politician, who's telling them what they want to hear, and then does nothing in support of that, basically, if they get power.
This is one of the key reasons That I'm really pushing back on this mainstream alternative media here and no further.
It's because we have a lot, a lot further to go in understanding the magnitude of what we face.
And in understanding that magnitude, you also see the answers to it.
What I want to see is people not just waking up to the political level of intrigue and manipulation, but to the much greater picture, at least look at it and realize there is another way of looking at life that's not the one that we're usually told about.
And if that happens, if people not just awaken mentally, intellectually, to see what's happening, but awaken to the true magnitude of the true I, consciousness, a state of infinite awareness, and infinity is there to tap into, if only people would open their minds.
And this is one of the things you see.
There's this phrase that energy flows where attention goes.
And it's very, very true.
For instance, on a simple level, if I look at my finger close up, the rest of the room doesn't exist anymore, because my attention is on that.
When I do that, the room comes back, the wider picture.
And this focus on just the political level of all this is focusing attention and shutting out the bigger picture.
That's exactly what it's doing.
And that bigger picture includes the fact that we are consciousness.
The body is a vehicle for consciousness to experience this reality.
But that's all it is.
We are the consciousness having the experience.
And the question is, how expanded are we going to allow that consciousness to be?
And the more you focus attention, the more you self-identify with the labels of human, the I am ours, as I call them, I am our man, I am our woman, I am this religion, that race, this income bracket, that sexuality.
You are focusing attention and you are self-identifying with myopia, with limitation.
Because at that level of sense of reality and self, everything is limited.
It's not possible land that you occupy.
Whereas when you self-identify with being the consciousness, having the experience, Then you start to see a much bigger picture and you start to come from a much bigger panorama in the way that you're actually seeing events.
So, for me, the Trump thing is not a big thing.
It's a sideshow.
Just a sideshow.
And you can watch it and observe it as a sideshow while holding the bigger picture.
of actually what's happening.
And that sense of identity with consciousness, not the body, that is an expanded sense of the I. And with that expanded self-identity, your consciousness expands to To match that expanded self-identity.
Because your consciousness has to expand for you to go from focusing on the myopia of the human labels to seeing yourself and living as consciousness rather than just an insignificant human, as most people think they are.
And as you expand your self-identity and expand your awareness, which has to happen for you to do that, Then you start tapping in to levels of awareness that are beyond the manipulation.
They're beyond that realm, that band of frequency, which is what it is, in which the manipulation is happening.
And therefore you can see what you couldn't see before.
You are in the world physically, but you're not of the world in terms of being of the world of the manipulation.
So you can see What you couldn't see before.
When you're in the world and of the world, you are experiencing through the body this so-called human world.
And your awareness, perception, focus is also on that myopic level of human.
You're in the world and of it.
And so where are you going to get Any information to give you a fix on the world and yourself, you're going to look out here into the world.
And what's coming back is the education system, which is designed to program from a very early age, a sense of reality.
It's from the co-owned media and what have you.
And now you've got so much of the alternative media also becoming myopic in the way that it's focusing only on the five cents world.
And you lose the plot.
In terms of, you might see that there's manipulation going on, but the connections, the real dot connections, you don't see because you only get that when you expand your awareness into those levels of consciousness, where that information exists that's beyond the manipulation or beyond the suppression.
And I can tell you from my own life that When you start to expand your awareness out of the myopia of human mind, you get insights and intuitive knowings that are extraordinary in the way that they turn out to be true.
You know, when I started out in 1990, For the first two years or so, I would look at information, which very synchronistically came to me, and I would conclude what was happening on the basis of that information.
But after that period, there was a switch, a flip, which has gone on to this day, in which you know what's happening first, and then The names, dates, places, tangible evidence follows to support the initial, I think this is going on.
And that is because you're tapping in, and anyone can do this, just means you open your mind.
You're tapping in to those levels of awareness and becoming part of it.
Which know this information, which have this information.
Because if you look at the foundation, certainly in our reality, of the global cult control agenda, it's completely about controlling perception.
It is in other ways as well, but it's about controlling perception.
And it's about keeping perception in a state of myopia.
And also to see everything as apart from everything else, instead of how things connect.
So, you come out of the womb and very quickly you enter the education system, which is a programming system.
And for all your formative years, the key years where you're forming your perceptions for life often, not always, but often, You are under the control of the state at least five days a week plus homework.
And you're being bombarded with a certain perception of reality, a perception of self, a perception of history, a perception of what's possible and not possible, how things work.
You're also being subjected from that very early age to authority.
Where the teacher's telling you when you have to be there, when you can leave, when you can go to the toilet, when you can talk, when you can eat.
And it's all a massive programming operation of perception for a simple reason, that we behave as we do because we perceive as we do.
People behave as they do because they have perceptions that lead to that behavior.
If you're a psychopath, you are subject to psychopathic behavior because psychopathic perception drives it.
It's the same with the COVID situation.
If your perception was there was a deadly virus, then you would do what you were told to protect yourself from the deadly virus.
If you were told that the fake vaccine was the way to protect you from the deadly virus, then you would have the fake vaccine.
This is perception leading to behavior.
So, you know, when you're dealing with a relatively few people in this global cult at its core that are dictating the direction of the lives of billions, Then the only way you can do that is by controlling perception.
And this whole goal of connecting artificial intelligence to the human brain is about complete control of perception.
That's complete control of behavior.
And what we need to do is take our perceptions back By not accepting what we're told without question, but questioning everything and see if it stands up to scrutiny.
And also to take off these limits of where we will go and what we will perceive as possibility.
Because this is an interesting point.
One of the key limits to human awareness is to program a sense of the possible and to make that as myopic, as limited as possible.
And then when people who have researched this with an open mind come along and say, I've discovered this, that perception of the possible says, well, that's ridiculous.
That's not possible.
That can't be happening.
So if you can hold and control people's sense of the possible, then you're well on your way to controlling them.
And again, if you look at the mainstream alternative media, what is this barricade I'm talking about?
It's basically a sense of the possible.
And this is where the real impact of Christianity, which dominates, particularly in North America, the alternative media, mainstream and beyond it.
This is where it becomes significant.
Because if you have a religious belief system, you have a sense of the possible.
And anything outside of that sense of the possible, you are not going to go there, because your belief system will be in trouble.
And you're going to reject anybody else that comes up with stuff that puts your belief system, your religious belief system, into question.
And so taking the lid off, bursting the bubble that people create for themselves of perceptual limits, is fundamentally important to really understanding the scale of what we're dealing with.
It's something that the ancient Greek philosopher Socrates is quoted as saying, which is, wisdom is knowing how little we know.
Knowledge, he said, is to know that you know nothing.
That's the foundation of true knowledge.
Because when you think you know things, and that's it, I got it, then you're not going to keep pushing the cutting edge and looking beyond what you think you know.
And if you look at some basic things that most people won't be aware of, like for instance, that when you look into a space, You're not seeing everything in that space or even nearly everything.
You're seeing a fraction of what exists in that space.
You're only seeing a narrow band of frequency called visible light, which is tiny.
It's unbelievably tiny.
And so if you don't know that, you think that, you know, you look into a space, you see everything there.
Then when paranormal things happen, like something appears out of nowhere, you don't understand it.
You don't know why it's happening.
And if someone says it's happened to them, you'll go, limit of the possible.
No, no, you couldn't have seen that.
That couldn't have happened.
That's impossible.
But actually, when things appear out of nowhere, like UFOs or whatever, all that's happening is they're entering visible light.
And to the observer, you're seeing them.
To you, it's come out of nowhere.
Then they leave visible light and they appear to disappear into nowhere, but they haven't.
They've just left your visual frequency band.
So if you think that within the space that I'm sitting in now is infinity, and we can only see through the body decoding processes a tiny band, a tiny ridiculously narrow band of it, then The Socrates contention that wisdom is knowing how little we know is literally staring us in the face.
So what's driven me on is that knowledge of how little we know, and even when you know more, how still more there is to know.
So in the early years of the 1990s, I was focused on the manipulation of this reality, what I call the global cult, the global web of secret societies, interlocking secret societies.
And then from the, about, well it was 1996, events in my life, people I met, they took me into the fact that a non-human force is behind this global cult.
and operates in the hidden, which is almost everything that exists that we can't see.
And then it pushed me on into realizing that actually how very reality is an illusion and a simulated reality to what?
Control our perception of everything.
And the reason that I kept moving is because whatever I Whatever point I've reached, of yeah, well, okay, I've got this now.
It was always, so what don't I know?
When you keep asking that question, it drives you on and on to a much bigger picture.
And like I say, what's happening in so much of the alternative media is it goes so far and then it stops.
And it doesn't go into these areas.
And one key reason is, One key reason, there are many, is that it still fears what other people will think about it.
It still fears losing its funding or losing its audience by saying things that are far out from the audience point of view.
But I don't know about you, but my experience, I was on a speaking tour of Britain, the only place I can have one now at the moment, Before Christmas, and I found that the awakening population is further along the road than the mainstream alternative media.
It's going into areas, it wants to go and explore areas.
It's beyond anything you'll ever hear from them.
So, and the fact is the evidence is there, interlocking evidence to show that actually the world
that we thought wasn't like what we thought before, Well, actually, the world is not even like what you think
now.
It's much, much, much, the whole thing's much greater.
And this Socrates philosophy, of whatever you know, there's always more to know, basically, is something that we constantly need to keep at the front of the mind so that we never stop under the illusion that we've got it.
You know, people say, I've woken up.
No, you haven't.
You've awakened.
You're awakening.
It's a process, you're awakening.
I've not woken up, I'm awakening.
And that awakening is expanded by as you pursue the understanding that whatever you know, there's always more to know.
Yeah, and I think with this expanding of the awareness, you also become more self-loving, self-confident, you grow a backbone, you become, how I can say, In control of your life, because you start to understand that you create reality by your imagination.
And so every time when you imagine something, you create a possibility for it to happen.
And that's more or less also how I drive my life since I understood that.
And I became very fearless when, for example, before the government was something, you know, huge, like maybe parents when I was a child, yes, like you have to respect them, etc.
I still do, of course, but at some point you understand that you have to, you know, to become self-sufficient, independent of your parents.
Then the same happened with the government.
Today, to me, it barely exists.
I mean, if I cross a border, then suddenly it's there, yes.
But in my everyday life, I don't really connect with it.
And my life has a totally different quality now, because I just dream, actually, my life.
I use my imagination.
And then the things, they happen more or less as I want them to happen.
Yes.
And this is something I learned through your information, because you always said like, we consciousness, the consciousness that always has been and always will be.
So if you understand this, then you stop fearing death, for example, because you and if you don't fear death, you you're free because you you will just do what you feel it's right.
And that's all.
Yeah, and you know, I'm going deeper and deeper into that whole what lies beyond what we call death arena.
Because you can gather more and more information together that kind of points in various directions.
And the book I'm writing at the moment, nearly finished it, is the third book in a trilogy.
The first one was called The Trap.
The current one is called The Dream.
And this one will follow in a few months.
But what you said is absolutely right in that we are creating our reality from our perceptions of reality.
This is why little me people live little me lives.
And the point is that this global cult and its hidden masters know this.
You know, you look at the world.
I mean, this may sound far out to a lot of people, but you look at the world and what's unfolding.
We are creating it.
What is happening is that our perceptions, well, if you can disconnect from externally implanted perceptions, then you can be free of it.
You're absolutely right to say.
But the vast number of people are having their perceptions downloaded From education, the media, all these different sources of information or misinformation.
And that perception of reality is projected as an experience.
I have this phrase, what you believe you perceive and what you perceive you experience.
This is the sequence.
And so if they can terrify you, that a third world war is coming.
Not that it's planned.
I mean, we need to know that.
It's all being manipulated.
But it's coming.
It's inevitable.
That's one of the great phrases, by the way.
It's inevitable.
They're saying that about AI.
People like Elon Musk are saying it.
They say, oh, AI could be the end of humanity, but it's inevitable.
What does inevitability mean?
It means you've accepted it's going to be a reality.
That's your perception.
So you create it.
And, you know, this is really the deeper end stuff, but this is how it works.
And they know that.
They know that if they can control our perception, that we will deliver the world that they want once they've got control of our perception.
And imagine what they could do If our perception is delivered from a central point, in effect, by artificial intelligence with the connection to the human brain.
There was a comedian, a very profound man actually, called Bill Hicks in America.
He died in about 1993.
I think it was about 33 or something like that.
It was very sad because he'd sussed a lot of it.
And he said as part of a joke, was like I say he said some profound things that there's no
such thing as death.
Life is only a dream.
And we are the imagination of ourselves.
And that is incredibly profound.
We are the imagination of ourselves.
Now what this cult is seeking to do through its control of communication and through its takeover of the mainstream alternative media is to dictate our imagination and thus we will create what we imagine.
And you know this is why in my books while I've exposed the plan I've constantly driven home.
It doesn't have to happen.
It's not inevitable.
And.
We can we can we can we can change it, but we've got to change ourselves to do it.
And handing over handing over your power to Trump is not it's not a way that's going to happen.
But yeah, that's what's going on.
Our imagination is being downloaded and our imagination collectively creates the world we live in.
Yeah, and at some point it is like really sad to hear because if you think about the potential we really have, I mean, Anything is possible, anything what we imagine and you see that the world has turned into a nightmare more or less and deeper and deeper.
It is sad, but on the other hand side is really so many people now trying to coach each other, to teach each other that there is more to achieve and that we can really create our real dreams.
And I believe more and more people believe in this.
And this is probably what is going to save anybody who wants to have it this way, yes?
Because some people, they will maybe not be able to create their dream how they want it, and they will maybe end up in the metaverse, how it's planned by the agenda, I don't know.
Yeah, but I mean, like I said, I've been saying all the way through our chat here, the picture is much bigger than most people realize.
And, you know, I started to realize, I started to write about and speak about the fact that we live in a simulation from just after the turn of the millennium.
And in those days, the only person I could find publicly who was talking about this is a simulation was a guy called Nick Bostrom at Oxford University who saw it in different terms to what I did, but it was still the same theme.
But if you look at it now, More and more scientists are coming out and saying it does look like we're in a simulation and you know in this trilogy and this new book I'm presenting a lot of information to support that.
And so I started to realize and this is again the Socrates Philosophy, I don't know, philosophy in general, I mean, this wisdom is knowing how little we know, comes in, because I started to realize that this reality is a simulation.
And it's an information source actually, like a Wi-Fi field.
And just as a computer decodes the Wi-Fi field into what we see on the screen in a very different form to how it is in the Wi-Fi field, it's just radiation information.
So this human body decodes this simulation field into what we believe is an external world when it's actually all in here, it's all happening in here.
Again, Sounds fantastic, but the evidence that's brought that is enormous.
And so, I kind of reached that point, but then I thought this, okay, what don't I know?
That, you know, I've traveled around the world a lot over the years, not so much in the last two, but not at all.
But for a long time in the last 34, five years, I've traveled widely.
Something like, you know, 60 odd countries I've been to.
And enormous swathes of humanity is not having a good time.
It's trying to survive another day, often in very challenging and hostile circumstances.
So my thought was, OK, this is a simulation.
How do we get trapped in it?
I can understand how you would come in and get trapped once.
And then when you leave at the end of the, when the decoding system, the headset, the body, ceases to function, then it ceases to decode this reality we call the human world, this tiny band of frequency, and your consciousness is released.
My thought was, OK, I can understand how you could get trapped in this once, but you wouldn't come back, would you?
I mean, going back there is horrible.
And for a lot of people, it is.
Enormous numbers of people.
So then my thought was, so why do we?
Because.
It's very clear to me, if you if you if you look at the evidence and again, I present enormous amount in this trilogy, And before, but there's a lot of real profound stuff in this new book.
Reincarnation is real.
What I don't buy is the official story of it.
That we have to keep coming back to this one planet within infinity to learn lessons to evolve.
I don't buy that for a second.
That's the Eastern religions and the New Age and all that.
I don't buy any of that.
It makes no sense to me at all.
And I explore that in this new book, as well as the other two in the trilogy.
And so what was going on?
And that's when this trilogy of books started to come together.
And the more that I've studied it, the more I've explored it, the more that I've looked at People's experiences millions of them really now called near-death experiences.
It's clear that this simulation is not just happening in the human world.
There's other another level of it other levels of it and into penetrating this human reality, which is tiny.
I mean, We perceive the human reality to be the world of matter.
But actually, matter is an infinitesimal part of this reality.
I mean, I'm looking around now, most of this room, to my human sight, is empty space.
It's not really, but it's empty space.
I can only see matter form.
That's what the visible light frequency does.
It picks up matter.
That's why we see forms of matter with empty space in between.
And it's tiny.
I mean, how many people realize, and this is mainstream science, 99%, some say 99.9% of the visible universe is not matter as we perceive it.
It's plasma.
Which is called the fourth state of matter.
It's kind of an ethereal matter, if you want.
But it's not the matter that we see.
And this reality is interpenetrated by something called the astral dimension, which is the nearest one to this.
That's why it interpenetrates.
All these different realities are on different wavelengths, so they share the same space without interfering with each other, but they're close enough on the dial They interfere with each other and the lower levels, the lower frequency levels of this astral dimension are interacting with our reality.
And it's in that lower level of the astral that this force exists, this non-human force that is manipulating human society by this global cult.
And you know, when you look at all the different pantheons of gods, In all the different cultures, you realize that actually they're talking about the same entities and they are these lower astral entities.
And when people leave the body and have these near-death experiences, when they also are able, some people, to project their consciousness into this astral, it's called astral traveling.
They experience a very different reality with a very different, what we would call, laws of physics.
And it's the astral that they enter.
Now they could, and they're still in the simulation, but they could, if their frequency is high enough, their perceptions of self-identity are expanded enough, they can get straight out and not go through the astral.
But Most people, because of the way that their perceptions are manipulated, they enter the astral dimension.
And that's the reincarnation cycle, what they call in the East, in Buddhism, the Wheel of Samsara, where you come out of the body and you go into the astral and then you come back into the body.
Because the astral is set up in Many ways like the human world is set up.
It's very clear if you do the research, and I've researched it an enormous extent and continue to do so, that there's an authority in the astral which is basically the same authority that dictates to the human world.
And that authority is convincing consciousness, what we call souls, that They have to keep coming back into matter to have experiences to learn and evolve.
And endless people who've had near-death experiences have come back with that conclusion.
That's what they have to do.
That's what they believe.
That's what the Eastern religions believe.
It's what the New Age believes.
And I say it's a nonsense.
It's a trap.
And I've talked to people And seen interviews with people who are saying, and I think that they're telling the truth when you see how they describe it, that they've seen this whole game, either in a near-death experience or in astral projection, of how this trap works.
And this is the point.
We come back because we believe we have to come back to learn lessons to evolve.
And it's a bloody nonsense.
It's not just a perceptual game of control in the human world.
It's a game of perceptual control in the astral world as well.
And this whole idea of karma is all part of the trap.
This karma.
Okay, so you come into this world.
This is another point that's very common in the accounts of near-death experiences and what have you.
And there are some people who, they're very rare, but they remember the incarnation process.
And they describe it, and when these different people describe it, they describe it in very similar ways.
And one of the things they describe, by the way, is the extraordinarily low frequency that this reality is, which has many, many consequences and implications for awareness.
But what they talk about, all these different people, is what I call the mind wipe.
When you come into this reality, your memories are wiped.
So some children remember great details about previous incarnations, which previous lives, which when checked out, turn out to be accurate in fine detail.
It's extraordinary when you do research into that area.
But most of them lose those memories by six, seven years old.
And others, most people, don't have them at all, because of this mind one.
So you're supposed to come into this reality to learn lessons to evolve, but you can't remember all the lessons you've learned before.
I mean, hello, how does that work?
And it's because you are in this world to experience For reasons I'll quickly come to.
Without the memory of the big picture.
So you're basically starting with a blank sheet of paper each time.
And what then happens is you you leave the body.
And these guides and elders and all these religious heroes and stuff, which I explain how that's done.
It can be explained.
tell you that, oh, you've got to go back and work through your karma.
So we come into this reality, which is incredibly challenging by its density of energy alone.
It's manipulated on a monumental scale.
And You know, you're going to do things that from a more expanded level outside the body, you're going to realize, well, I really rather I wouldn't have done that.
But no, karma, you've got to go back and you've got to experience what you've made other people experience, basically.
And what does that mean when you come back and you come back and you've had your mind wiped so you can't remember what you've already kind of The conclusions you've come to from the last experience.
Why should I have done that?
And that's all forgotten.
So you come in and you maybe do it again.
Because you start with a blank sheet of paper and then you go out and they go, ooh, farmer, you've got to go back and it's all part of your evolution.
We're only doing it for you.
And, you know, I'm not just making this stuff up.
I've been studying near-death experiences and what they have, their accounts, for a long, long time.
The common themes are extraordinary and you start to put together the pieces.
And so the next question, of course, comes is, so why would they do that?
Why would they do that?
Why would they set this whole thing up?
What's the point?
And then you realize that these entities, this force, which Gnostic people, Gnostic belief system people long ago called Archons, which is Greek for rulers.
And, you know, the whole Satan thing in Christianity and the demon thing in Christianity and the Shaitan They feed off our energy, but only particular frequencies of our energy.
about the same force using different names. They feed off our energy but only particular frequencies
of our energy and what do they, those frequencies pertain to? Low vibrational emotion and thought
but emotion most powerfully.
I'm And so anything to do with fear, anxiety, regret, revenge, conflict, war, anger, hatred, these are all low, slow frequencies.
And it's long been established Even by mainstream science.
That when we have a thought or an emotional response, we are generating a frequency that relates to that response.
We're generating an energy.
And these entities are feeding off that low vibrational energy.
We, you know, in The Matrix, when the Morpheus character held a battery and said, the Matrix is a computer generated dream world designed to turn humans into one of these.
That was a profound truth in an apparently fictional movie.
And so this is the game.
They've set up this simulated reality.
Which, you know, the ancients talked about in their own way.
And they manipulate human perception, human emotional and mental responses, to the point where we're generating this low vibrational energy.
So to them, a war is a banquet.
A world war, well, don't even start.
Conflict.
Anger.
I mean, imagine the amount of low vibrational energy that's produced on bloody Twitter X every day.
All the different things that happen.
And like I said earlier, you know, when you travel the world, most people aren't having a good time.
They're facing big challenges and struggles.
This is all producing this low vibrational energy.
Desperation, depression, they're all low vibrational energies.
And so this whole deal has been set up to generate that energy while manipulating our sense of reality that we don't even begin to appreciate what is happening.
Now, when people leave the body, they have to be perceptually programmed to believe that, terrible as this was, they've got to experience it, because they've got a trauma, and come back and come back and come back.
So you've got this conveyor belt going.
Where you leave the body, you go into the astral dimension, which is an extension of the simulation, and then you come back and it keeps going on.
This is the wheel of samsara that the Buddhists talk about.
And the thing is that in the end, the most important thing, which is why I've written this trilogy, I'm sure there'll be more to come after that as well.
Is to get to this state of awareness where when you leave the body, when the body expires, we don't expire, the body does, it's just a vehicle.
Then we're out of here and we're not stuck in the astral to come back again, but we're out of the whole thing into the infinity that we were manipulated out of originally.
And I do think that there is a lot of, at least symbolism, the whole Garden of Eden story of Adam and Eve being enticed out of paradise into what I would say is a simulation.
Yeah I think people or souls or how you want to call it they get tempted to maybe to enter that matrix like for example now they're building the metaverse right where you they want to I mean, you see this so fast for the gamers, for example, where they have everything around them and they are 24-7 in the game.
And I think that's where they want to recycle the humans at the end of the, how I can say, the game, yes?
And they will convince people that this is a better reality where they can be anything or they can experience more.
I mean, that's the way Elon Musk is talking, yes?
Not that he doesn't want to break the matrix, he wanted to expand it.
Yeah, exactly.
And you actually make a very, very good point.
When you see how people, even in its basic form, which it is at the moment, how people are enticed into that metaverse.
And also, you know, If you take the, what I was saying about the body senses, the five senses in the brain and the body structure, et cetera, is decoding this reality and it's operating like a biological headset.
If you go onto the internet on some video platform and you find compilations of people Who put a headset on in a virtual reality game, and you see their reactions.
Within seconds, see their reactions.
They're screaming, they're jumping about, falling over, because in seconds, their sense of reality has been taken over.
Now, what is the virtual reality game They're five senses.
You see the more sophisticated ones.
They wear the gloves.
You've got the audio.
You've got the visual.
And you've got even the chairs now that kind of move with what's happening in the headset.
And they're completely taken over.
They're in a completely different reality, which they believe is real.
Their reactions show that.
But what you can do in that situation is take the headset off.
And you go, you know, I'm back here.
But you can't take this headset off until it expires and you get released from the game, or at least this level of the game.
And so the ability to trick a sense of reality is obviously Very straightforward if you are not strong in your consciousness, strong in your sense of reality.
And people, you know, human consciousness that's being recycled on this wheel of samsara is very, it's been very much weakened and is very now prepared to lock in to what it's experienced before, even though it can't remember it.
It was interesting, you know, the only time I've taken psychoactive drugs of any potency, in fact virtually the only time, was in 2003 when I was in a Brazilian rainforest in a controlled setting.
And I took something called ayahuasca, which is a rainforest plant, and went off into the into other realities for about five hours and I've written about this in the books a voice as loud as mine is now was talking to me for five hours about the nature of reality and I was all in illusion and when I came back and started researching why because I had got total recall of it I I realized that actually
You can show factually that what I was told about reality being illusion is an illusionist's dream, an induced dream.
And at one point I was shown this field, just a field, you know, and there was a mud path across the field.
And people then started falling out of the sky, dropped onto this path, and they started all walking along this path.
And as they walked along the path, more and more of them, the path started to wear away and got lower and lower.
And then it morphed into one of the old vinyl record grooves.
And now they're walking in the darkness in these grooves, in this record.
And this voice that was talking to me said, In effect, that people have come into this reality so many times.
And that's why they drop in to the same behavior traits so easily, like being in awe of authority, following authority, doing as you're told, being frightened of authority.
It's like They're just dropping back into a pattern of behavior that they've experienced over and over again.
And so it's a big challenge to break those patterns.
But, fantastic news, as you have seen for yourself, more and more people are starting to break those patterns.
Because this is a time of enormous change, enormous danger, but also enormous potential for dismantling this nonsense.
And this perceptual pattern is what needs to be broken.
And being in awe and doing what authority tells you is massively part of it.
And, you know, I was sent something from TwitterX last night and it was what someone had posted.
Apparently there was a story going around that they were trying to make phrases like Jesus is King or Jesus is Lord anti-semitic, right?
Phrases.
Load of nonsense, but there you go.
Anyway, this person posted this comment saying, you know, Jesus is king and everyone will bend the knee and bow to him and accept him as their, basically their king, their lord.
And it was accompanied by a picture in which this great big group of people were all on their knees and Jesus was raised above them on a big throne, kind of steps leading to it.
And, you know, people must believe whatever They want to believe.
None of my business.
But the human race has got to get off its sodding knees.
It's got to get off its knees for whatever reason.
I don't care what the reason is.
Get off your knees.
Because while you're on your knees, you're never going to be free.
How can you be?
And that's Giving your power away to anything.
You know, there's a difference between respecting what someone does, even acknowledging, you know, what they do.
And there's another thing about worshipping them.
That's not increasing your power.
It's diminishing and diluting it.
We shouldn't be worshipping Trump.
We shouldn't be worshipping anybody.
If they are doing things that are positive for humanity and we like them, we'll acknowledge that.
Fine.
But don't bloody worship them like a god.
And if you look at Elon Musk and his relationship with the mainstream alternative media, it has become almost, for some of them, godlike.
He's like a religious figure.
This is ridiculous!
What are you doing?
So, yeah, it really is time for humanity, like I say, for whatever reason, to get off their bloody knees and look the world in the eye.
Exactly.
I mean, that's a very good I think last words, because we are almost two hours, but I could go on.
I mean, you're making the speaking a lot, but I could listen for another few hours.
But yeah, so in conclusion, I think really it's going off our knees.
I mean, that's the main thing and do not even, I mean, protesting against something.
I understand why people protest, but For example, for me, it's not really in my nature.
If I don't like something, I just don't do it or I do it differently.
And I even stopped paying tax almost 10 years ago because I just don't agree with it.
And there is no consequence for me.
So it's almost the proof that you can create your own rules, your own life, your own world.
And the sky's the limit.
I mean, That's what they don't want us to know.
That's the bottom line of what they don't want us to know.
That we have the power to dictate our own reality, and not them.
David Icke, thank you so much, first of all for your whole work and track record over the decades, and I can't imagine how it must have been for you in the times when you were ridiculed and abused.
And I think there is a reason you are the one that came up with the information because you really have the backbone and, you know, to stand for what's right.
I think many, many people wouldn't have gone through what you went through because many people don't even know that you were already famous at the time.
And so when you came out with the truth, it was easier to attack you.
I mean, you couldn't even go to a pub anymore or to having a beer because everybody was pointing their fingers at you.
And I think this is, I mean, this is a priceless effort.
And it was also an inspiration For me, all through my journey because it's not always easy and then you remember these people, they have gone through a lot and they came out of it stronger and stronger than before and they have really made a difference because that's what you have done and I believe that you will do even more difference still because we rely a little, I mean a lot on you because when I see there's so many people
You know, in the new mainstream alternative and you're almost the last one standing, but you have your family backing you.
I mean, you do a great work.
So that's also something I want to emphasize here.
If somebody speaks English, because we have a German speaking audience, maybe visit ICONIC.com.
We will put the link under this video.
They're doing a great job and it's beyond the mainstream alternative media.
It's really the area where We learn the stuff we need to know to break free and also your books and also watch... The great thing about ICONIC, our media platform, is there is no censorship.
There is no censorship.
The only thing that you're looking for is evidence to support what you're saying.
And if you have an opinion that, you know, you can't support with evidence, but you have your opinion on your experience, well, that's okay as well.
It's non-censored.
So people say what they want to say.
I mean, we've had people being interviewed on the platform who've said, well, how much can I say?
And the reply is, whatever you want to say.
There is no Censorship.
And I think that it's, you know, if you're going to, something you just indicated yourself, if you're going to stand for something, then stand for it.
Don't comply and then complain.
Just don't do it.
And so we don't censor anybody.
And that's that.
And we want to hear everyone's opinion.
Interestingly, whenever we have tried to get opinions that differ from iconic to get people into a debate, like mainstream, they just won't go there.
They won't come and debate.
Which is sad, because it would be very interesting if they did.
Because we'd like to give all sides, but Not all sides will come and debate on our shows, but we don't censor anybody and that's massively important.
And we don't shadow ban anyone either.
Yeah, you make your own rules and that's how it should be done.
And I believe everybody out there listening right now can do the same in their way, in whatever they dream of and stop To take the bites of the media and the politicians and create your own life.
David Eick, I wish you all the best and I am so grateful you came to the show for me.
It was a very special moment because as I told you before the interview.
Very interesting.
Thank you.
You're part of my life since my awakening started and Weekly, I watch your shows weekly and so that was very special for me, yes, and so see you soon, hopefully, and the next time.
See ya, bye, thanks for everything.
Thank you.
There's a lot of things that I've said over the years which were perceived to be crazy and then suddenly They start to move mainstream.
Mainstream.
I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
Simulation. Simulation. Simulation.
What is real?
How do you define real?
If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
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