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April 3, 2024 - David Icke
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The Trap - David Icke Speaks To The Reality Czars Podcast
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This is the Reality Czars Podcast, and we're your hosts tonight, Nate and Thomas, the paranoid motherfucking American!
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Let's see.
Can I unmute you?
Well, while he gets his microphone worked out, I am so happy to bring you guys one of my favorite people on the whole entire planet, the great David Icke.
Thank you, sir, for joining us.
Pleasure, mate.
You know, it was pretty life-changing the last time you and I had a conversation.
It changed my views, and kind of, I was a pretty dyed-in-the-wool, pretty religious Christian, and you opened up my eyes and kind of gave me kind of a Gnostic flair, kind of a Gnostic view on things, and I became more of a mystical Christian, kind of a more open-minded Christian.
It was pretty, you know, we had a pretty flippin' awesome conversation, so thank you for that.
You kind of peel back some of the scales from my eyes.
And I really appreciate you, sir.
How are you doing?
I'm good, mate.
Yeah, that's interesting because, you know, one of the kind of things, the driving force that I've had all these years, 35 now, is that clearly we don't know it all.
And in fact, when you look at the basic physics of our reality and our experience, we know next to subtle.
You know, when you think that when we look through our eyes, we're seeing, according to mainstream science anyway, I think it's smaller, a tiny, tiny band of frequency called visible light.
And that's all we can see.
And it's ridiculous.
I mean, according to mainstream science, the electromagnetic spectrum, which is basically our experience reality, is 0.005% of what exists in the universe, in terms of energy and all its forms, and visible light is a fraction of that.
So, I think, you know, the starting point for anyone who's kind of researching this, you know, going on from the point you've introduced, is that there's probably more to know than we think we know.
And the question is, what is that?
And if you keep asking that question over and over again, and you get to a point, you think, yeah, I know, I know a bit more now.
Yeah, I think I've got this bit.
But you then say, but what's that part of?
And what's that part of?
And a great, massive spectrum of what's going on starts to open up and gets bigger and bigger and bigger.
And I think therefore, you know, if we are Genuinely researching on that basis, the basis of what the ancient Greek philosopher said, Socrates, wisdom is knowing how little we know, then any belief system, religious, political, scientific, follow the science, is going to be a self-censor.
Potential for you because you say you're gonna say well I'm not going there because my belief system is gonna be challenged if I go there, so I'm not going there You clearly don't do that.
But lots of people lots and lots of people do And I think it's really really important I mean you can have like a perception of how things are at any point.
Yeah, okay fine but if they're immovable Then you're not going to go on.
You're not going to go on.
And I think it's vital for any researcher who's just interested in the truth and the reality of what's happening, that they don't have the potential self-censorship of an immovable belief system.
And it's interesting because we've had this Quite controversial now?
Good to be?
We've had this whole phenomenon recently of whether Jesus is King or Jesus is Lord is anti-semitic.
Well, my question is, what isn't?
But it was like, okay, but if it's immovable, Then you're going this far and you're going to stop.
It's like talking to a mainstream scientist, you know, or a biologist who can only see the parts and can't see the whole.
They can't see the big picture because they're so focused on the bits, the parts.
And they're so focused on, you know, this world is all there is, religion, then you die.
That's their religion.
Because science, what we call mainstream science, is a religion.
And I see religions all over the place.
There's political religions.
I'm a Republican.
It's immovable.
I'm a Democrat.
It's immovable.
I'm a Labour Party supporter, a Conservative Party supporter.
It's immovable.
My father voted Labour and my grandfather voted Labour, so I've always voted Labour.
Well, maybe times change.
Maybe situations change.
Maybe we should realise that whether you vote Labour or Conservative or Republican or Democrat, you're voting for the same one party state.
Maybe we could get that far forward in appreciating how we're being scammed.
So I think it's absolutely vital.
And I'm not knocking people having religious belief systems.
None of my business.
They must believe what they want to believe.
Absolutely nothing to do with me.
You know, feel free.
You don't get any pushback from me.
But what I'm saying is, if we If we do go down that road and it's immovable, here and no further, then there's a hell of a lot of things that are happening that you're not going to see.
Yeah, absolutely.
Oh, sorry, go ahead.
You mentioned something that's like one of my favorite points to like dig into that a lot of people kind of don't even want to entertain this aspect.
And it's about us not being able to see even a fraction of 1% of visible light.
And that one concept, Where so many people now put so much stock and investment into video proof, or like, this thing looks this way, therefore it must be this way.
And it also seems that with this new influx of AI creations, people are almost shocked at how quote-unquote good AI looks.
But to me, it's just like sort of showing the chink in the armor that no, no, no, honey, like our sensory system is so rudimentary.
It's so basic that it's going to be, you know, sort of like, um, put into like this, this archaic sort of version of the world where computers can see and sense things like multiple times per nanosecond.
And we're kind of limited.
Do you, do you think that any of that gives a credence to like simulation theories or like just straight up like full illusion network?
Oh, well, I absolutely have been saying since the turn of the millennium, just after the turn of the millennium, that this is a simulated reality.
It's the equivalent of a Wi-Fi field, and it's actually driven, I say, by artificial intelligence, and artificial intelligence that is phenomenally more advanced than even what we have now with human artificial intelligence.
But, you know, you're absolutely right in the point you make, because, you know, I've said many, many times, every single child should be told, as a matter of course, the limit to their visual perception from the earliest moment they can grasp it.
Because it changes everything.
You're absolutely right.
For instance, you know, people say, I saw this UFO appear.
It appeared out of nowhere and then it disappeared into nowhere.
And they say, oh, this entity was at the end of my bed and it was it just came out of nowhere and then it disappeared into nowhere.
Of course, the five sense mind, which is basically the simulation mind, says that's not possible.
That's impossible.
But once you realize, actually, you know, we're just seeing a band of frequency becomes perfectly explainable.
It's simple as heck.
Something enters visible light.
It has appeared out of nowhere to the observer.
It leaves visible light.
It's disappeared.
to the observer.
And it's not disappeared, it's not just appeared out of nowhere,
it's entered your visual frequency band and left again.
And once you kind of realize that there is this tiny band of frequency
that we can visually perceive, then suddenly some of the stuff I've been saying now
for decade after decade after decade, which is actually this reality is being manipulated
via this global network of secret societies I call the global cult
by a non-human force operating in the hidden.
And people say, well, why can't we see it then?
Well, my reply is, because you can hardly see anything, mate.
That's why.
And, you know, this is one of the things, you know, that, you know, I've been pushing for quite a time now in terms of the alternative media, what I call the mainstream alternative media.
You know, it's OK just focusing on politics and the here and now and the World Economic Forum.
I do that.
Yeah, of course, it's got to be done.
But the real understanding of how we're actually manipulated, fundamentally, is not whether Trump or Biden wins the next election.
It's the fact that our very sense of reality is being scammed.
Because what we're experiencing, or how we experience it, is not actually what we're experiencing.
So, you know, AI, therefore, becomes something that many, many levels to that.
But it becomes something that if those behind it know how the human psyche works and how what I call the human decoding system works.
Then you can manipulate that and therefore manipulate perception.
You know, you can do it with one hand while you're having a cup of tea with the other.
It's so simple because, you know, even things like, OK, so what's that?
Oh, what color is that?
It's red.
Well, and that's black and that's white and that's blue.
But actually, What you're seeing as those colors are just frequencies.
And if something absorbs frequencies from the spectrum, then you don't see it.
You don't see that color.
So if something that's red is absorbing other colors or other frequencies in the spectrum, you'll only see it as red.
We only see what is reflected from things in terms of frequency.
That's where the color comes from.
For instance, if you are in an absolutely, truly jet black room, Where there is absolutely no light source to reflect at all, not even mildly, then you can't see anything.
It's just blackness.
It's only when a light is introduced that is reflected off something you can start to see forms.
And, you know, it's everything that we experience as as real and physical and solid is actually illusory.
And, you know, the more I've gone on this this this road and How I got there is by exactly what I talked about earlier.
You get to a point, like in the early 1990s, I was putting together this this global cult and how, you know, presidents, prime ministers and all these people are just gophers for this cult.
But you don't stop there.
And unfortunately, a lot of the mainstream alternative media, most of it has stopped there.
Not other researchers in the alternative media, but this mainstream core of it that gets all the focus.
It has stopped there basically, but you need to go on and if you go on and you get to the point eventually where you start to question the entire reality that we're experiencing.
So what I'm seeing And it's very relevant to what you're talking about with AI and this technology world that we're moving so fast into, or is moving so fast into us, is that it's mimicking, technologically, the very reality and how we experience that reality that we call human.
Because it makes life much easier for people like me, because now, I mean, you had the old shamans in, you know, long ago.
And if they could project or connect their consciousness into a wider field, then we can see and they could start to see what exists beyond the visible light and all that stuff.
They've then got to communicate that to their people.
So how are they going to do that?
They can only do it through analogy and symbolism.
Try to explain a computer to someone in the Stone Age.
Symbolism and analogy.
And so then anthropologists come along, five-sense centric anthropologists.
Can I see it?
Touch it?
Taste it?
Hear it?
Oh, it exists then.
And they look at these analogies and these symbols that we use and they go, oh, these are a primitive people.
These are very primitive people.
But actually, maybe some of them weren't.
Maybe they were just using analogies and symbolism to try to explain things that were not explainable by words at that time.
But what we have, which is a phenomenal gift, dangerous as the reality of it is, Is technology now that is not just a symbol, but it's actually a technological mirroring of the reality that we're experiencing.
So, for instance, what I'm saying is that this simulation is a field of information.
It's funny, there was a guy just across the water from where I'm sitting, he's an associate physicist at Portsmouth University in England, Southern England, and he was in the media a lot just before Christmas, saying that he thought this was a simulation.
Interesting to see the publicity that he got because he's an associate physicist and I've been ignored basically by the mainstream media completely.
I've been pointing this out a great length over the years.
And he said he felt that the simulation was information.
And I thought, well, it's exactly what I've been saying all these years.
So it's an information field.
And a great analogy, a very close analogy, is Wi-Fi.
So you have a Wi-Fi field and it's just information.
The entirety of the Internet is in that Wi-Fi field.
And if you've got a computer to tap into it, then you can get into that Wi-Fi field, into that Internet, and you can put it on the screen in a completely different form to how it is in the Wi-Fi field of radiation.
And you can do it anywhere in the world where you can get access to it.
And what is the computer doing?
It's tapping into this field of information we call Wi-Fi, and it's decoding it into what we see on the screen, which is a completely different version, like I say.
So if you say to people, tell me about the Internet, They will say, well, it's pictures and videos and graphics and text on the screen.
Yes, it is.
But only on the screen.
It's the only place the Internet exists in that form.
Everywhere else, it's a Wi-Fi field or electronic circuits.
And what I've realized over the years is that the human body, I've been calling it since the 1990s, a biological computer, is a computer system that's decoding The simulation.
And so when the body dies and ceases to function, it ceases to decode this reality.
The simulation this level of it anyway, and that's when all these near-death experiences.
So goodness knows how many there are now all over the place.
That's when they say they they when their body died and they they left the body in their terms of their consciousness.
And then when the body was revived, they returned in that period between they say they entered a completely different reality with a completely different law of physics.
Well that's because they'd left the body so the body was no longer decoding this reality as we experience it.
So if you want a perfect analogy for what the body is in that way, it's a headset in a virtual reality game.
You know, if people go on the internet and they They put some words in that lead them to a compilation or compilations of people who were experiencing, you know, headset reality, a computer game, and they'll see the moment they put the headset on.
They're in another reality.
Their old perceptions have been transformed into another reality.
You'll see them screaming.
You'll see them falling over.
You'll see them jumping around, falling off chairs.
And they have within seconds.
Their sense of reality has been taken over by the information that is being delivered to them via that headset.
And with the more sophisticated ones, you've got the gloves, you've got the audio, you've got these chairs which move in relation to the game.
And it takes over.
Now, what does it take over?
It takes over your five senses.
It takes over your hearing senses, your sight senses, your touch senses.
And what it's tapping into is exactly the way that we decode this reality into an apparent solid physical world, which isn't.
So if you again look at mainstream science, this is mainstream science.
Our five senses are tapping into frequency information, wave field information.
The ears are a classic, because sound waves, but all the senses work the same.
So what they do is they take this frequency information, what I'm saying is the simulation field, They turn it into electrical information and they communicate it electrically to the brain and the brain then decodes that as different parts of the brain for each sense.
And then the brain forms that together in a sense of reality.
And it does it digitally and holographically.
So where the holographic comes from, that's why it looks like a 3D reality when it's actually not.
And it seems to be a solid reality when actually it's not.
And we can explain that, you know, why we bump into walls and it's not solid that stops us going through them.
And so what you have is a permanent headset from the moment you enter the world, which is decoding this reality.
So if you take the analogy of the headset, And then you apply it to the body.
What you can do with a headset, if some monsters come out, you should go, whoa!
But you can't with the body.
It's decoding this reality all the time that you're alive.
So you come out of the womb, your parents got headsets on.
You go to school, the teachers and your mates have got headsets on.
You go to university, professors have got headsets on.
People reading the news have got headsets on.
Scientists, headsets on.
Doctors, headsets on.
People at work, headsets on.
And they're all decoding the same reality as you, so you think it's real.
And it's only when you start to really delve deeply into it that you realize what's actually happening.
And from a conspiratorial point of view, as I said earlier, It means that while we are focused on the political level of the manipulation and the financial level and all that, which we should be, we need to know about that, the very reality that we are experiencing,
Is being scammed and we are experiencing a reality that's not what we think it is.
And we are being limited by that sense of reality too.
And because one of the big things that people tend to do and it's encouraged on purpose.
is to self-identify the I, who we are, with the labels of the body.
I am a man.
I'm a woman.
I'm this religion, that religion, this race, that race, this income bracket, that income bracket, this country, that country, when actually we're all consciousness.
But that consciousness is being completely deluded in terms of its perception of reality by all these Yeah, 100%.
You touch on so many like amazing things there.
I mean, because I'm very much under the belief that we are infinite energy inside trapped in a meat suit, right?
And it is, it's funny that you described it that way.
It's basically our body, our physical body is like putting on A virtual reality headset because that is kind of what it is, right?
We've been dumbed down.
We're stuck in this virtual reality headset.
And now we feel like we are being imposed on by like all of these limitations because we are kind of being imposed by these limitations.
that have been artificially constructed for us to control us.
And I mean, it's absolutely fascinating.
And then the whole schooling on top of it, it's kind of like, I've heard, I haven't done this myself, but I've seen it where they put a jar over a flea.
And this flea can only jump as high as the jar right for a while, then you take off the jar.
And it still thinks that it can only jump that high, right?
That's the schooling system, right?
But it can really jump, you know, this high, you know, and it is interesting.
And so in a lot of ways, people like you are lifting that veil saying, like, that jar's gone.
That jar doesn't exist.
You can actually jump a lot higher.
Yeah, the thing about the education system is that if you think about it, our perceptions Oh, what drives everything we behave as we do because we perceive as we do so that the actual battleground whatever you like the stadium in which this whole conspiracy is played out is human perception.
That's the whole thing.
And if you break everything down.
All the things that happen in the world that are coming from authority and this global cult, they're all aimed at perceptual manipulation.
They want your perceptions, because if they get your perceptions, they've got you.
They've got your behavior and they've got your sense of identity.
And so look at what happens.
You come out of the womb.
You're met immediately by parents who overwhelmingly will have your best interests at heart, but what they think is your best interest is what they've been programmed to believe are your best interests.
So they then tell you what the system has told them and they've accepted it.
And then you go to school and the teachers are... What are teachers?
I mean, there are some great teachers, there are some appalling teachers, but what are they actually?
They're agents of the state because there's something called the curriculum and the state basically dictates that.
What you've taught, how you're taught and what you're told.
Alongside this programming from the earliest age of your perception of reality and your perception of self, which comes from the schooling, five days a week plus homework, you've got another aspect to it, which is that they are preparing you to be subordinate to authority.
You go to school and immediately you're being told when you have to be there, when you can leave, when you can eat, when you can talk, when you can go to the toilet.
And you learn very quickly, unless you're an absolute maverick rebel, that if you conform, it's easier than if you don't.
And so it goes on and you go to work and the teacher then becomes the boss.
They're telling you what you've got to do and where you've got to be there and all that stuff.
OK.
And then all the media, which is owned by the same cult that was behind education, of course, American education was fundamentally connected to the Rockefellers.
The media is bashing out basically the same story that you've been having since you were a kid.
And thus, was it Goebbels, the Nazi propagandist, said, you know, The bigger the lie, the more we'll believe it.
Keep telling them the lie and they'll believe it.
And that's absolutely true.
That's very clearly what happens.
And so what they're doing, not least through the carrot and stick, you know, all this stuff.
Well, if you post the wrong thing, well, you know, you're going to be this, that and the other.
These are going to be the consequences.
It's all about controlling your perception and controlling what you say.
So that you're controlling what you might say and it's an impact on other people's perception.
That's what censorship is all about.
It's about control of perception and about censoring that which could give other people a different perception to the one you want them to have.
And so we go on all the way through life and and so from from from womb to tomb this this download of sensor reality goes on and on and on and on and and If you've got your perception, they've got you.
We saw that with COVID, you know, I mean, people accepted that and went under, mildly went under house arrest and, you know, put masks on and all that stuff because they perceived that what they were being told is true, was true.
And, you know, if people like me could realize early on that it wasn't, like in, you know, the spring of 2020, that there was no bloody virus and the bioweapon was not the virus, it was the It was the then coming vaccine.
Then then anyone else could do it if they if they if they chose to go looking there.
But but most people don't.
They just accept authority.
And, you know, part of that is this incessant preparation for that through school.
You know, teacher says this, teacher says that always headmaster got his headmaster now or another higher level of authority.
And you basically get banged and bashed into line.
And if you look at the people that are really saying things that the authorities don't want, they're
the ones that are the mavericks, who will not be defined by some burk in a suit.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I'm not sure if you've ever talked to Miguel Conner or not, but he's a really interesting guy, a Gnostic
fellow.
And we had him on the show and he kind of broke this down about how the whole Basically, the founding of Gnosticism, they were kind of watching the government and they were seeing its own reflection from as above so below.
He was watching the iconic forces from our own government and how it mirrors what's going on in the bigger world.
And it's this fascinating idea that, like, I mean, anarchy is against the Archons, and I had never even known that, and it was like, every anarchist, which I consider myself one, is a Gnostic, and they don't know it yet.
You know, it's a really interesting idea and concept.
Yeah, I mean, I just wanted to commend you.
I listened to, I wouldn't even call it a debate.
It was just an interesting conversation that you're having with Alex Jones, where you just kind of call them out for a few different things.
Because it's like, we can get caught up in that stuff, too.
The alternative media can just get so focused on what's happening in the physical realm.
And so we can get caught up in politics and all these things.
And then We kind of limit ourselves.
It is almost putting the jar back on, too, right?
Where it's like, well, if the leftists get in, then we're all screwed.
And it's like, well, we're all screwed, too, if these people get in charge, too.
Because the problem is the government.
The problem is the Archons.
The problem is so much bigger than just the politics.
Yeah, this is one of the sad things, you know, because when I started out in 1990, there was no alternative media.
It didn't exist.
It didn't exist for a long time.
It's just a few disparate people putting out whatever they found.
There was no movement.
And then I watched it start to appear and grow and it was fantastic.
And one of the themes of that, not in everybody, but much more widely than the mainstream alternative media now, was that countries are one party states.
You know, the old line, don't vote, it only encourages them.
And so you could see that whoever was in power, the same force was in power.
There were masks on the same face.
And what I've seen since covid and what has happened since covid is and on one level, that's that's great.
A lot of new people have come in.
But what I've also seen is a lot of people that completely bought the COVID hoax.
Which is fair enough.
All right.
Yeah.
OK.
Got caught on that.
But they're now being held up as the leading covid activists and people who are challenging it.
And hold on a minute.
You you were wearing a mask to open the bloody door.
Now you're on The Carlson Show being held up as as this person we should listen to about About the COVID situation.
And, you know, we've got a guy in this country called Dr. John Campbell.
He's actually not a doctor of medicine, he's a doctor of philosophy.
And if he wasn't trying to, you know, get people to think somehow subconsciously he's a doctor, then you wouldn't use doctor if you were a doctor of philosophy when you're talking about medical things.
But anyway, he bought the lot.
He bought the lot.
He bought the The Covid story, he bought the fake vaccine to start with, all of it.
And now he's kind of seen the excess deaths from the fake vaccine and he's now, you know, become this person that people look, oh yeah, he's exposing it.
And, you know, there are other people who were exposing it at the bloody time, which is when you need to do it, that are now kind of excluded from this mainstream alternative media.
And what's happened, you see, a lot of people have come in, but they've come in since Covid and therefore they're getting up to speed if they're trying to do that, but they've not got decades of research on their CV.
So someone who has can see something, And see what's going on, not because they're better than anyone else, but because they've had all this research background that's led them to this understanding.
And when I see people who are given big platforms by Tucker Carlson and others, and they say, well, you know, this is going on, but I don't know why.
What do you mean you don't know bloody why?
I mean, give me a call.
So the sum total of all this is that the mainstream alternative media, the one that gets the algorithm support, the one that gets the promotion, is focused on a tiny area of the conspiracy.
And it's focused with a limited knowledge Of what that conspiracy is and how big it is and the true kind of not just scale but goal of it.
And therefore the mainstream alternative media has become diluted.
By comparison with what it once was, and that's why I'm constantly calling it out.
I'm not very popular for doing so, but I don't care.
I'm interested in what's happening, not what people think of me.
And I think, you know, one of the classics of this period is the godlike eulogy of the mainstream alternative media of Elon Musk.
My philosophy is simple on people.
I'm not interested in what they're saying.
Well, I'm interested enough to hear what they're saying.
Yes, but I'm really interested in what they do.
Because it's not what you say that matters.
It's what you do.
What's the outcome of what you're doing?
And when I look at Elon Musk, I've been tracking him for a long time before Twitter came along.
And he's fronting up so many things that are fundamental to the To this global cult agenda, one of them is SpaceX is the leader in putting up these low orbit satellites more and more all the time.
He's bragging about it on his Twitter X every week, and they are firing this cloud, this electromagnetic cloud, 5G, 6G, 7G to come.
Ultimately, they want, as I've been saying for decades, to cover every inch of the Earth.
He's he's got this neural link.
He says, AI could be the end of humanity.
OK, yeah, I agree with you, mate.
So what are you going to do about it?
Well, I'm going to start Neuralink to connect humans to AI and computers.
And then, you know, a fundamental part of this agenda, too, is autonomous cars.
And that's what the real electric car agenda is.
It's nothing to do with saving the environment.
Hello, please.
You know, intelligent life calling planet Earth.
It's about the fact that if you're going to have autonomous cars, autonomous vehicles, they have to be electric.
You can't have petrol and diesel autonomous vehicles.
So you have to have them electric.
So you say, oh, we've got to save the planet with electric vehicles.
No, no, no.
What you're doing is using that as an excuse because you want vehicles to be electric so they could be driverless.
And what happens then?
You get in a petrol or diesel vehicle and you, unless it's a no-go area, you drive where you want to drive.
But with an autonomous vehicle, the computer's deciding where you can go and where you can't.
And where you can't, it ain't going to take you.
And that's what this is all about.
It's about control.
And there's other things, too, that Musk is involved in.
So I've been looking at that, and I've been tracking him, and I've been watching some people in the alternative media over the years saying, oh, this Elon Musk guy, it's dangerous what he's doing, you know, this is transhumanism.
Right, right.
But now the same people are, oh, Elon!
Because he's bought Twitter, Twitter X. He's given a free speech.
Yes, but this is a question, guys, that I've not had an answer to yet.
And I have asked it endlessly.
So before he bought Twitter X, well, not just him, a lot of other people we don't know about, by the way.
What was Twitter like?
Oh, well, it was completely bloody controlled, mate.
They were deciding what could be posted and what couldn't, and loads of people were thrown off.
Yeah, okay, yeah.
And then when he took over Twitter, He had this Matt Tiabi and Schellenberger and what have you, putting out these Twitter files, exposing the documents.
Oh yeah, look, the Deep State controlled Twitter.
Okay, fine.
So what does the Deep State want to do?
What has it done with Facebook and YouTube and Google and all these others?
Well, it's controlled them in what's posted and what isn't.
Yeah, okay.
So they had Twitter where they wanted it, right?
They were controlling everything.
So why did they sell it to you?
Why did they sell it to Elon Musk, who was claiming to be a free speech absolutist?
Because they didn't have to.
And they even tried to, you know, when he was kind of prevaricating a bit, or at least on the surface, they threatened to take him to court to force the deal through.
So it's, you know, and I have no problem because I do it myself.
I'm in using Twitter X while we can to to to get as much information as we can.
I have no problem with that, although the shadow banning is ridiculous if you actually have something really to say.
But please don't turn the guy running it into some kind of hero when he's fundamentally fronting up all these companies that are central to this unfolding cult agenda.
Ask questions.
Don't go into cognitive dissonance or I'm not going to question what he's doing anymore.
You know, with these companies like SpaceX, because I don't want to basically upset him because he's doing Twitter now.
And, you know, some of the things that, you know, when I've seen some of the things that alternative people have said in relation to Musk, sometimes to his to his face or at least to his microphone, it's kind of embarrassing that we've come to the point where people who should be uncovering and searching for What's happening?
I've turned one of the people involved into a God.
I think it's pathetic.
And how they respond to this, and the response is so kind of universal within this mam, that it's obviously not an accident, is that, oh, you're just being, you're just creating disunity.
We need to come together.
Well, yes, we do.
Yes, we do.
No one wants to do that more than I do.
But if I expose Klaus Schwab or Bill Gates, am I creating disunity?
Well, no you're not, because you're exposing what's bad for humanity.
That's basically what I'm doing, in my view, is saying, you know, it's not good that we are limiting the alternative media to this little Eddie that it's become.
And it's not good that that alternative is eulogizing people.
We shouldn't be eulogizing anybody.
We should be making sure that they're telling us the truth, asking questions.
I mean, you know, How many times has Musk been on Rogan?
How many times, well at least once, he's been interviewed by Tucker Carlson.
Where's the question?
What about SpaceX and these satellites?
You're creating the cloud to which the human brain is supposed to be connected.
Just talk to people like Ray Kurzweil at Google and he'll openly tell you that's what they want to do.
And why would they sell Twitter to you if you say you're a species absolutist, if they control Twitter and what was said on it?
And all these things, they're never asked.
It's almost like a no-go area.
They give you your heroes and they give you your villains.
And that was like a pressure release valve for the Republicans, for the right wingers.
That was their victory to hang their hat on.
Oh, we have a good guy that's going to save Twitter for us.
We can have social media again.
We can say all the wild stuff we want.
But it's a limited hangout.
And it was absolutely, now they feel like they were given something.
And so, and now he's become the hero of the alternative media.
And it is fascinating because you are talking about how he is, when he goes on Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan praises the idea of getting the Neuralink.
He thinks it's a great idea.
He wants to join the, whatever, this symbiote relationship with AI and these machines.
And so that is your alternative media.
The alternative media, the mainstream alternative media, the ones that are inside of the Overton window, They're the ones, they're praising the chip.
They want you to get the chip.
You're absolutely, you're absolutely bloody right.
And there's another angle to this, which was exposed brilliantly by Whitney Webb, who is an excellent alternative journalist.
There's a guy that we should be watching like a hawk with a telescope.
He's called Peter Thiel.
Peter Thiel is, he's intelligence community and Pentagon to his DNA.
He created this organization called Palantir, which operates surveillance technology and much else for the intelligence community and the Pentagon.
He's a major investor in Rumble.
What?
How come?
And he's on the steering committee of the Bilderberg Group.
What?
What's a guy who's on one of the most, what they call, globalist organizations on Earth, the Bilderberg Group?
What's he doing being an investor in Rumble?
Lots of people don't want that.
And if you look at his investment History and through his investment operation, not least called the Founders Fund.
He is into everything.
He's an investor in SpaceX with Elon Musk and what have you.
And he's one of these PayPal Mafia guys they talk about.
And what Whitney Webb was exposing is that a friend of his called Palmer Lucky, He's running a company, which Teal has invested in, to create basically a biometric AI border fence.
Except that it's not.
You can turn it on and off whenever you want.
And you see, if you want to stop the uncontrolled illegal migration into the United States, And if you really want to stop it, then you build a wall from coast to coast.
Don't tell me the money's not there.
I mean, you know, more than enough has gone to Ukraine to more than pay for that many times over.
So you build that and you make it unbreachable.
So only people coming in are legal.
And, you know, they are.
But they don't want that.
So what they want is an AI biometric system, which then gets moved inland, like the European Union, because it's all in sync.
It's a global agenda.
The European Union is now bringing in the whole biometric airport system and what have you.
And in the same way.
And so you've got this guy Teal and this guy Lucky and what have you.
And then you've got Donald Trump, who had Teal on his transition team in 2016.
Another saver of the alternative media, Donald Trump.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
Well, he didn't do it last time, did he?
Really?
When you think about it.
But lots of that.
Lots of that.
David, you mentioned Lucky Palmer, which is an incredible reference here, because you originally were talking about the VR headsets and how our bodies are just kind of...
You're right!
And he's the one that was kind of the one that reinvigorated the whole concept of VR again, because there had been attempts in the 70s and 80s and even early 90s, but they were very rudimentary, not very impressive, and Palmer Lucky, or Lucky Palmer, He's the one that ended up pushing that and created Oculus and Oculus got bought over by Meta.
But this leads into a question that I've got burning that I wanted to ask you since you kind of opened the door on that.
Yeah, by the way, he sold Oculus to Facebook as well, while Peter Thiel was on the board.
I never put that connection together and now I'm gonna dig deep into that one man because he's another kind of looked in the gaming community as being like one of these messiahs the same way Elon Musk is kind of looked at from a lot of technophiles but my question is Is there maybe like a net positive that can be had in any of this?
And I guess my analogy here would be to what video games were someone out there discovered how to kind of hack video games and give yourself infinite lives and that's where we got like the Game Genie or that's where you get like game mods and then all of a sudden the open source community at large they collaborate and say hey we can override all this like governance that's in the programming and we can you know do I mean it's basically the Matrix movie but The premise of having everything open sourced and so that now like the consumers or you know all of us normies out there have some modicum of control and we're able to use it in ways that the system that created it either didn't intend or didn't want.
Is there a possibility that that could be a net positive?
Like we could game genie our way into a better reality or is the limitation too great?
Well, I think there's obviously as a result of what you're talking about, there's a lot, a lot of people have become seriously skilled at hacking the system and undermining the system.
So that's that's all that's all great stuff.
But, you know, in terms of open source and all that, There are positive things in that sense, but I would say this.
One of the things that I'm seeing is the bloody fake competition.
So, like I said earlier, if we focus on the outcome, And just shut out everything else.
What's the outcome?
So, an example.
Sam Altman.
Oh, I'm concerned just like Elon about AI.
Oh yeah, I'm sure you are.
So why are you rolling out like him more and more bloody AI?
Here's this box I found.
Don't open it, because if you do, something might be bad.
But here, I made this box for you to open.
Yeah, exactly that.
So he starts with Musk at the time, this OpenAI.
They have this chat GPT.
And then the competition comes in.
Was it Gemini at Google, is it?
And Grok with Elon Musk and X and what have you, all these others.
And they're like competition.
So there's Elon Musk trying to make fun of Gemini and its problems.
It's all too woke and all this stuff.
And you're having this kind of fake argument going on.
So what's the outcome?
Well, the outcome with Gemini and Grok And a GPT is that this stuff, AI, gets vastly exploded into human society.
I mean, how many people, I mean, things are moving so fast.
How many people remember when they went on a search engine and there wasn't an AI sitting there waiting to answer your question?
It's ridiculous.
I don't want to talk to AI.
I want to do my own research, thank you.
Because you're not going to tell me the bloody truth that I need to know.
But this is what is happening.
And you've got more and more AI writing news stories in the mainstream media.
You've got AI in China, for instance, even producing the news readers.
I think there was...
There's some channels starting this year that's using AI instead of real people.
And not in China, but in the West.
And so, you know, this thing's moving very fast.
And one of the things that you see, because you've got to get the psychological first, because then you can play it out.
For a long time now, you see, they've been putting AI into people's houses, like these
Alexa and all this stuff that, well, Alexa, play me some music.
Oh, you lazy sod, turn your own music on, you know.
And you've got kids with AI dolls and what have you.
And what that is, is if you look at it from a psychological point of view, it's creating
a situation where more and more people are communicating with AI as if AI is human.
AI is infiltrating the human society in this way, and it's infiltrating the human psyche.
And it's all being done step by step by step, and it's getting faster and faster.
And that's another point worth making.
Where do we ever see, certainly not now, People sitting around a table, strumming their fingers, saying, well, we've got to wait for the next geek in a garage in Silicon Valley to invent the next level of it, because we can't go any further until they do.
You don't see that.
What happens is this technology is playing out, getting more and more sophisticated, faster and faster and faster.
How can they do that?
Because it was already there.
This is a point I've been making for so long, that the technology that's played out already exists in the underground bases and the secret projects, because it's all military in the end.
And what happens is they have to create cover stories.
And to do that, they need cover people.
So they put these people forward like Zuckerberg's and your bloody Gates's and all these people.
And there's a cover story about how this technology came out and how it was discovered and all that.
And a lot of it actually is coming out of the underground bases.
And the cover story is literally covering the story of the fact that it's done that.
And I remember I watched a BBC series.
It wasn't very good because it's BBC, but it was about Silicon Valley a few years ago now.
And they had this sequence where they had a series of garage doors in Silicon Valley.
And they said, this technology was discovered or developed behind this garage door.
And this technology was developed with this garage door.
And I had this kind of picture of people in the shadows saying, Too many garage doors, chaps.
They're going to suss it.
All right.
Too many garage doors.
Get another cover story going, because it was ridiculous that what you were being asked to believe is coming out of the underground bases.
It's all it's all there waiting to play out.
And so they play it out in a sequence.
And now the sequence is getting so fast as they're heading towards this A.I.
connected human that Yeah, 100%.
David, we're getting close to your hour here.
Thomas, did you have any last questions?
I just want to just again commend you, David, for completely... I don't know what color pill you gave me when I had...
I was in my early 20s or as a late teenager I joined the military and I remember reading one of your your late 90s books and just thinking like oh my god what have I done like as in like I left the public education system where as you described everything there is just to kind of like limit you and submit you to authority and I'm like a year into the military just realizing oh my god I just like turned the volume up to 11 on what David Well, it's a pleasure.
It makes what I do worthwhile.
But, you know, this is a point that there's nothing greater than knowledge.
You know, people say knowledge is power.
Just thank you so much, David.
Well, it's a pleasure.
It makes what I do worthwhile.
But, you know, this is a point that there's nothing greater than knowledge.
You know, people say knowledge is power.
It's not. It's not.
The use of knowledge is power.
If you've got knowledge and you don't use it, might as well not have it.
The use of knowledge is power.
But for you to have experienced what you have, you've got knowledge of how that works that other people are having experiences that haven't got.
So I see a lot of people, they kind of get a bit embarrassed.
I'm not saying you are, but I mean, people get embarrassed about, oh, I did this.
I did that.
I did the other.
Yeah.
But now you kind of waking up, you've got that knowledge of what you experience, which some others won't have.
And so, you know, whatever, whatever the route to get here, it doesn't really matter.
It's the fact that you're here that matters, because, you know, how we get here, I mean, Lots of people enter this arena in different ways, like they might be investigating pedophilia or Satanism, and then they step into this arena
Researching that and suddenly they see what it's part of.
You get people who, particularly in the 1990s, they were investigating UFO activity and they step in and suddenly they see the scale of it.
So how we get into the arena is not important.
It's the fact that we get into it.
And as I said right at the start, bringing it around, That we never think we know.
Once you think, I know, I've got it, you stop.
We don't know.
We know what we know at any point.
But tomorrow, we're going to know more if we're interested.
And a month from now, we're going to know even more.
And a year from now, a lot more.
If we keep pushing the cutting edge and say, look, I know this.
OK, I think I know this.
This is the way it looks.
So what else is there to know?
And this is my problem with the alternative media.
And I think it's been orchestrated.
I'm not saying people In the alternative media, are all agents of the state?
No, no, I think one or two of them are, but the great majority are not.
They've just got a mentality and a limitation of knowledge of the conspiracy that means they focus in this area.
And one of the things I'm trying to do by pointing this out, becoming popular in many areas because of it, is to say to those people, look, I'm not saying you're an agent of the state.
I'm saying there's more to know.
Look at it.
Don't limit yourself just to this.
Look.
And that's why, you know, what I said earlier, I want people to come together.
And if people want to specialize in the political angle and all that stuff, well, that's fair enough.
It's their choice.
But don't exclude those who go much further because you all know they're mad or better not get involved with them.
No, people think I'm mad and all and all this nonsense that goes on.
Because one of the things that I see in The Alternative, not everybody, there's a lot of really freaking great people in The Alternative, is that they betray the same limitations as the mainstream society.
A key one being fear of what other people think.
I better not have that icon because he will talk about far out things.
And what will people think of me having him on my show?
Well, who cares?
I had a chat recently with someone who I would say was part of the mainstream alternative media.
He gets a lot of attention.
And I said to him, how about that we just research and talk and explore without giving a bloody damn what people think of us, including what we call our own audience?
How about that the truth is the goal, whatever it is, And not, what will people think of me if I pursue it?
How about that?
We've got a chance of uncovering a hell of a lot more than if we limit ourselves to this.
So, you know, I'm going to keep going with it.
And I hope it will have an effect in terms of people thinking, well, maybe I should expand my view of what's going on as well.
That would be great.
I commend you for that.
And I give you a lot of credit for telling me the jar wasn't there anymore.
and allowing me to jump higher than I thought I could.
You opened a lot of my perceptions, and I appreciate that, David.
David, do you want to tell us about your upcoming book?
Do you want to, when is it going to be available, any of that fun stuff?
Give us a hint or a preview.
Well, it's going to be available in about September, because one of the big problems we have since COVID
is shipping to America, because the books are shipped to America, and then they're sent out
from America, within America.
And we like to, you know, obviously launch the book simultaneously.
And, you know, used to The great thing about publishing your own books is there's no lag time.
And you can't have like time in the world that we live in.
Like if I was writing this book now for a mainstream publisher, not that they publish it, then it will go, yeah, well, we'll see 2025.
What dates have we got?
No, no, no.
We want it out as fast as possible.
So what happens is I've finished the book.
I'm going to finish this in about another week.
Then it goes to the guy who puts, Neil, who puts the book together and then it goes to the printers.
So by the end of June, there'll be books, but we've then got to get them to America.
So it's going to be probably September judging by the last two.
And basically the book is the third one in a trilogy.
You don't have to have read the previous two.
It's written as a self-contained book, but it is part of a trilogy, starting with a book called The Trap.
And then I did the book that's the latest one.
And this one's called The Reveal.
And I mean, I'm just reading through it for the last time now, about halfway through.
And it really is deep, deep, deep in the rubber hole, really deep in the rubber And what you find is that the deeper you go in the rabbit hole, the more you see the way out of this.
You know, if you if you stay at the political level, it's like, you know, OK, so we get Trump in in 2016 and oh, yeah, now they've got the other one in and we get this and then another one.
And they're all here today, gone tomorrow, people and the people in the background just run it on.
So you feel like a bit You are a bit disarmed, a bit disempowered because, you know, you constantly fight in political battles to get your person in who may not represent you at all, really, in truth, apart from that.
But when you get into the deep levels of this and you realize how we create reality, we can create another one.
Because this will be for another chat.
We'll have to have another chat.
I talked earlier about perception.
And what happens is our perception becomes our experience.
So if you have a little me self-identity, you'll live a little me life.
Not because you are, but because you believe you are, you perceive you are, and therefore you will live that reality.
And this global cult and that beyond it, they know that your perception becomes your reality, your experience reality.
And so another reason they're constantly trying to download our perception is because they want us to create the reality.
Because they know we will if we if we take it on board.
So, you know, if you if you look at my books, one of the things I keep saying throughout all of them or in all of them is this is the plan, but it doesn't have to happen.
But if you keep pushing the fact that it's inevitable because, you know, If you look at what the Musks and the Altmans are doing, they're using this perceptual technique called inevitable.
All these tech billionaires are using it.
What they're saying is AI taking over the world is inevitable, so trust us to do it because we'll have your best interests at heart and not the bad guys.
Because we're the good guys, we are.
So what's the outcome, whether you're a bad guy or whether you're a good guy?
Well, AI takes over the world.
Exactly!
That's exactly right.
But you're telling me it's inevitable.
So I'm kind of conceding my resistance to it because I perceive it's inevitable.
And if I believe it's inevitable, it becomes inevitable.
It's what you believe you perceive and what you perceive you experience.
It's a simple sequence.
You can see it all the time.
And it what's inevitable about it?
Well, let's see what inevitable means.
It means that Elon Musk and these other people like, you know, Amazon and stuff who are putting up these low orbit satellites, which are projecting the cloud, which is vital to this whole AI control system.
They've gone to the Federal Communications Commission and they've said, excuse me, we want permission to put up tens of thousands of low-orbit satellites to fire this stuff at the Earth.
And the FCC, our government agency, says yes.
They could say no.
It's not inevitable.
It's only inevitable they said yes because they're controlled by this global cult, the FCC, completely.
And they're controlled by this global cult because they need them to say yes to this stuff.
And then you say, well, why aren't other countries around the world kicking off about this?
You know, has the FCC in America got the right to say yes to all these low orbit satellites that are affecting every country in the world?
Where's that come from?
Where's the pushback from from countries saying, hey, well, you can't do that.
They're affecting us.
No, no, you don't get that.
Because in the end, that's what the plan is.
But it's not inevitable.
These are choices made by people that have made this possible.
It's not inevitable.
And the reason, by the way, That your Musks and your Gateses and your Altmans are saying, oh, yeah, we need regulation because they want to control the regulation.
They want to be in.
They want to write it.
They want to decide what it is instead of someone coming along and saying, OK, we're going to have serious regulation.
You ain't doing this.
You ain't doing that.
No, no, they don't want that.
So they want to control the regulation by feigning concern about it.
If you're feigning concern about AI, guys, stop rolling the bloody lot out and then I'll take it seriously.
100 percent.
David, that is awesome, man.
And yes, we absolutely are going to have to have you back.
September is around my birthday, so I know what I'm buying myself for a present.
And so absolutely.
Yeah, we'd love to have you back on.
So definitely after we read the book, we'd love to.
Yeah, that's a good one.
Yeah.
In the autumn.
All right.
Thank you so much, sir.
We appreciate it.
Thanks, mate.
Thanks both.
Bye.
There's a lot of things that I've said over the years, which were perceived to be crazy.
And then suddenly, they start to move mainstream.
I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
So what?
What is real?
How do you define real?
If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
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