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Feb. 15, 2024 - David Icke
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Perceptual Navigation In A World Of Systematic Deceit - David Icke Dot-Connector Videocast
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Hello everybody and welcome to Dot Connector.
We're back with you again this Friday evening.
Dad, how are you this week?
I'm very good, mate.
Excellent.
Well, we spoke last week about the upcoming interview you had with Alex Jones, who you've gone back and forth with a little bit ahead of that interview on Twitter about what you feel is happening to the alternative media.
We've discussed that extensively.
On this show, obviously that interview went out last Friday, it was incredibly well received, very well watched, and obviously you got your points across which you wanted to.
So, let's start today with a bit of a recap on that interview.
So, did you get out of it what you wanted to, in the sense of you felt like you got those points that you were trying to make across?
Yeah, there was a lot more points I wanted to make and I could have made, but there always is, because it's a matter of time, even over two hours.
And at the end, some bloke came on, a Spaces call, that Alex said to me in an advertising break, Elon's on, right?
And I think he He posted on Twitter X during the interview, Elon's on live.
And the guy started talking and it sounded like Elon and I was looking for confirmation it was or it wasn't.
Because, you know, if he came on, because he used another name, this guy.
Yeah.
He came on using another name.
Well, that was that was the kindergarten.
And I wouldn't have in that.
But it was said that it's a guy who is well known for sounding like Elon Musk.
Anyway.
There's nothing wrong about it.
There's nothing strange about it.
It's just the way things are.
his agenda because this guy was all for all the AI stuff and smart dust in the blood and
all this stuff I'm warning about.
There's nothing wrong about it.
There's nothing strange about it.
It's just the way things are.
Integrating stuff like this into our cells biologically just removes the latency and
decreases the latency for information.
Is this Elon Musk?
Well, you could be a dead ringer for him.
Well, the Elon clone, what else do you want to say?
Elon clone, go ahead.
That's really not, I'm just weird, don't worry about it.
Well, you could be a dead ringer for him.
Well, the Elon clone, what else do you wanna say?
100%.
Elon clone, go ahead.
Yeah, they're all theories, they're all theories.
Yeah, they're all theories, I don't know.
Okay, all right.
It's kind of stupid, don't worry about it.
Well, what else would you like to say, sir?
I just think it is ironic.
I mean, you want to talk about the simulation, everybody started speaking of the topic of simulation, how we're in this false reality ever since the Matrix movie dropped.
A lot of people are afraid of it, but they don't even understand the context of why the movie even happened and why everyone's so afraid of it.
When in reality, everybody got afraid of being integrated with machines and how machines were advancing faster than the things that created them, thereby the fear caused the disaster, which then caused the simulation within the Matrix.
It's crazy, right?
And even then, Everybody bases their ideology of a simulation based off of a movie that they themselves haven't even fully understood.
Because if you did, you'd realize that there is no real world at all.
I mean, what do you think this is?
And even if it is a simulation, what are you going to do?
Are you going to break it?
What's the point?
You can play it and you can build really cool shit.
You can craft it and make it better.
I think that's what you have to do.
If you're going to break it, that's just an equivalent of killing yourself.
If you're going to break it for everyone So don't break the simulation.
I don't understand the resistance for understanding the world in which we're in to the extent
that we say we could shape it to make it better, but we're just trying to understand it to
break it.
But I think there is this idea that if you criticize people in the alternative media,
what I call the mainstream alternative media, this clique, which is what it is now, that
has hijacked it basically and gets all the focus and the attention.
But if you criticize them, then you are not being a force of unity.
Yep.
Well, hold on a second.
Do you think it's fair to criticize Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates and all these characters?
Because obviously what that does is cause disunity.
And of course, the answer to that is, of course you do.
And if you're looking at something, which I care very much about, Which is the alternative media's ability to communicate a different agenda, a different narrative.
Then if people are taking it over, then you need to call them out.
And so Alex took it all a bit personal, certainly early on, and then we got into other things.
But it's very clear that the narrative of Elon Musk makes no sense.
When you are talking about, or when you are doing, it's actions not words, putting up these low orbit satellites to generate more and more of this electromagnetic cloud they want to attach people to, when you are pushing through an implant in the brain agenda through Neuralink, when you're pushing the Driverless car agenda, where the computer decides where you go, not you in the end.
And when you are saying that you want to see a carbon tax, which is straight off the, of all these things I've listed, is straight off the wish list of the World Economic Forum, of which of course a very close associate of the World Economic Forum is the CEO of TwitterX.
And when you're saying that you want a guaranteed income, a universal guaranteed income, straight off the wish list of the WEF, and when so many of the things that you're talking about, not just doing but talking about, are in line with an agenda that you claim to oppose, then there are enormous numbers of questions that need to be posed and need to be asked.
And my point in the Alex Jones interview was that they're not being asked by this mainstream alternative media, which has
It had a relationship, developed a relationship with Elon Musk, which is one of almost worship.
Some of the things that I see posted from mainstream alternative media, big names in terms of Musk, I mean, it's like pass the sick bag.
You know, the alternative media should not be eulogizing anyone.
It shouldn't be giving anyone a free pass.
Including itself.
It should be questioning everything, as the iconic logos say.
And it's not happening.
So I hope that I did show people that I'm not being critical for the sake of it.
And I'm not seeking to upset anybody.
That's a choice anyway.
I'm saying things that we would have called out before.
He bought Twitter X. And who owns Twitter X?
No one knows.
He don't want to let us see through its holding company, X Holdings Corporation.
Then, you know, we need to We need to ask those questions, because if we don't, we're not being an alternative media.
We're moving towards compliance, which is the last thing that anything alternative should be.
Yeah, you should be questioning absolutely everything and everyone.
And the phrase that comes to mind is a sporting phrase.
I'm sure you're familiar with it.
Flat-track bully.
Obviously, for people who don't understand what that means, basically it's something that, you know, very good, very easy, as soon as you give it any resistance, or in this case, question it, it starts to fall apart.
And that's the thing with the whole Musk argument, is it's so easy to ask two or three very basic questions, and the whole narrative he's built up falls apart.
And I think that's where the frustration comes, doesn't it?
The alternative media are not asking literally a basic question.
Who owns Twitter?
Who gave you the money to buy it?
Who's invested in Tesla?
Why have you got the contracts with NASA?
Those real basic questions that would immediately highlight the other things he's doing other than what he's saying.
So it's a shame.
It's a real shame because it's not actually a load of investigating that would be needed to uncover Musk.
No, I mean, as you know, I've been tracking Musk for years.
So when he bought TwitterX, I knew it was a scam.
It was just working out and watching and seeing the nature of the scam.
And that's now obvious.
When you're pushing the cult agenda in so many areas and so blatantly, Then you need something that's going to mitigate that and you want the alternative media not to be calling you out because they think you're a free speech absolutist.
Well, that's becoming clear to more and more people on TwitterX that actually you can't say what you like, not least in relation to Israel.
And there's another guy, you know, that It is kind of indicative, very much indicative of what I'm talking about.
And it's a bloke called Brett Weinstein.
Now, he is a former evolutionary biologist who bought the COVID hoax.
Who, on a video in the fake pandemic, described how he kept a scarf around his neck when he was at home because then it was easy to put on his face when he opened the door and he answered the door.
And suddenly, this guy is bloody everywhere within this clique of mass cross-network promotion.
They all promote each other.
And so he was on the Carlson X Show, which gets, of course, vast numbers because it's algorithmically, among other things, boosted.
And he was talking, he's being interviewed as a kind of expert on COVID.
Well, there's people out there, Tucker, that called it out in 2020.
Because they'd done the research in the years beforehand to be able to call it out when it happened.
And you don't interview them.
You interview this guy who didn't call it out.
And so he was first of all interviewed on the Carlson Show, which got a lot of A lot of attention for him.
A few days later, Carlson has him back as an expert on the southern border.
And what's happening there?
And so in the Alex interview, I mentioned this, I called this out.
And I said, you know, why are the mainstream of the alternative giving this guy so much exposure and credibility?
and not talking to all those people that called it out when he didn't. And a few days later, Alex had
Weinstein on the show, which was like, and it was dubbed or it was sold as a powerful
exposure of the quote, New World Order.
Well, it didn't seem like that to me, but there you go.
And then within days, he's on the Rogan Show.
The Joe Rogan Show.
Again, massive audience.
And this time, both of them are defending Elon Musk and saying,
look, all this criticism of him is a load of rubbish because he's one of us.
And the way they justified that was absolutely hilarious, frankly.
And you see, we've also got Joe Rogan, who was on a contract with Spotify.
Seems to be anything from $100 to $200 million.
dollars.
And apparently, according to all the reports in the last week or so, He's now about to sign another contract of about $250 million.
And this will not only be for him to appear on Spotify, but to also appear on other platforms like Apple and YouTube.
And you think, well, hold on a minute.
How can you be considered, and he is by people that follow him, how can you be considered a threat to the system when their system is paying you 250 million dollars and it's expanding the areas of the mainstream internet system that you can broadcast on. Now that doesn't happen and you
know I posted something about this when it happened and Weinstein replied with a bizarre
explanation of why it was happening and he said it's to do with competition. I mean are you having
a laugh? I mean there is no competition when it comes to this global cult.
You know, it's not competition that gets major, major global corporations and investment groups like BlackRock and Vanguard and State Street and others like Morgan Stanley to sell Twitter X to Elon
Musk, that's a choice.
It's a calculated choice. So why was it made? And so this is Weinstein,
first of all, talking to Alex Jones in the last few days.
What we want is a system that liberates individuals as meaningfully and as broadly as possible.
That should be our guide. That's classically It is classically liberal and I believe it is also actually liberal and it is a perfect match for what I find my many conservative friends believe as well.
That this is the metric that we can use to test any system that we put in place.
Does it liberate people or does it constrain them?
If it liberates them meaningfully over the long term, it's a good thing.
What they have recognized is that they have no use for us, and I wish that was an exaggeration, but you can see this so clearly in what they did to the public over COVID.
I don't think we really have any choice but to rescue Western civilization.
It is the best tool we've got, always has been.
It's not to say that it can't use upgrading here and there, but We have to save it because your children, my children, and all of the grandchildren that we might ultimately have are depending on us to do it.
Okay, so that's him talking to Alex, and here is part of the interchange with Joe Rogan.
There's now a very influential, if not powerful, group of people across a wide spectrum discussing what those elites are up to, right?
We even, I think, have elites of our own.
I can't be certain, but Musk Doesn't look like he's on their team to me.
He's not on their team.
That's what I think.
Well, he's insanely wealthy and independent and an actual legitimate genius in a world of fools.
Right, and I think... Not flawless!
Not flawless.
He gets out of line every now and then.
He gets a little wacky.
He does.
But he's fun.
He's restless.
He's a fun guy to have at the helm.
And I think he looks at what is being plotted against us and sees it as a fun challenge to confront it.
And he has the resources to do it, unlike most people.
And has the courage to do something like completely overpay for Twitter, and then have the advertisers lock him out.
And literally, in a discussion with the guy from the New York Times, he goes, go fuck yourself.
Go fuck, let me be clear, go fuck yourself.
Yep.
I don't care.
You're trying to blackmail me with money?
Go fuck yourself.
Right.
Nobody does that.
On the one hand, nobody does it.
On the other hand, I wonder why more people don't.
Because the fact is, he's demonstrating that not only does it work short term, it has costs, but long term, he's not exactly losing.
So nothing he's saying there is in any way terrifying to the cult agenda, is it really?
No, and that's the whole point.
You see, you can try to censor everything, And you put your cards on the table.
And then people know where they stand.
Or you can censor almost everything.
And then let out a little area where some things are questioned.
but not what you really, really don't want people to know.
So it's what I call hear and know further.
And that's what this mainstream alternative, alternative in quotes I would say, media is all about.
It's hear and know further.
So Peterson, Jordan Peterson goes here and no further.
Weinstein here and no further.
Tucker Carlson here and no further.
And we can maybe just talk about that, that interview that Carlson did with Vladimir Putin.
Because it's been Received by much of the alternative and certainly the mainstream alternative as this wonderful breakthrough.
Because he talked to Putin.
Well, first of all, other outlets, other media outlets have asked to talk to Putin in the interim, you know, before this, and they've been turned down.
So Carlson was given the opportunity that they weren't.
And you've got to see this from the big picture point of view.
Because, you know, it's what I was saying to Alex is, One of the things about the mainstream alternative media is it's regressed.
It's regressed from where it used to be.
And that was the knowledge that we're dealing with a one party state.
And whether it's left or right, they're actually you're dealing with the same force just expresses itself in a different way.
And what it's done is gone from that understanding of this is a one party state, you've got to go to the next level beyond the left and right before you hit where it's really coming from.
And they've regressed back to left and right.
So left bad, right good.
Not necessarily, you know, there are shades of grey.
And so you look at it from the left-right point of view, and what they call the Liberals, they're not, the Wokers, they tick off because of the Putin interview taking place with Carlson.
And so the right think, oh, this is great.
Look at the liberals.
They're off on one.
But OK, go to the next level, to the cult level, which works through left and right.
And they've got an agenda which is the complete dismantling of Western society and the dismantling of Western economic power and influence.
This is why the power is moving eastward.
It's systematic.
This is why all the cult corporations in America and Europe are outsourcing their production to China and the East, giving them control over so much, and increasingly so, of the world supply chain.
And so you're having this Western society targeted, and you have the mainstream alternative media, what they call the right, That says China is a big threat because of the fact that the Chinese system is what they want for the West.
True.
But they're kind of hero-worshipping Vladimir Putin, who is in a seriously close and getting closer alliance with China.
As the power moves eastward, not least through this BRICS organization, this trading group based on being a challenger to what we call the Western system.
So you've got this irony that the right, the alternative media, that's basically what it is, that is eulogizing Putin Who is in serious alliance with China, while the alternative media mainstream says China is the threat.
Yeah.
And you sit there and you shake your bloody head.
It's a tough square to circle, isn't it?
It's a real mind game.
So from the cult point of view, do you want The leader of Russia in alliance with China as everything moves eastward to be identified and challenged.
By the alternative media or do you want the Western alternative media or do you want him to be a hero?
Well of course you want him to be a hero because it's all part of the mind game as the power moves eastward.
Do you think, just to interject there, do you think as well the fact that Putin's portrayed as this strong man yet in the West in recent years you've seen Sinek, Biden, Trudeau, Macron like weak feeble men as the leaders. Do you think the fact that Putin's
kind of portrayed as this, you know, he's on horseback in Russia, he's on his holidays,
he's this old-fashioned strongman, is that part of the reason he's been portrayed as that, do
you think? Well, I'm sure it is in some aspects of this, but then again, just like Musk, if
you are truly an alternative researcher of society, you say, okay, so how is Putin
different to the Western leaders?
Did he do anything different in the COVID era?
No, they had lockdowns in Russia, they had business closures in Russia, working from home in Russia, they had a vaccine developed which was widely used obviously in Russia.
He is on the road towards the digital currency which the Alternative media mainstream and the not mainstream are saying this is really, really bad.
There's digital currency disappearing everywhere because of the freedom implications and control implications.
But Putin's got one coming.
He's also committed, a bit later than some countries, yes, but he's also committed to the net zero nonsense justified by the hopes of climate change. So again, how is he different?
The only way he's different is he's saying that he didn't want to invade Ukraine, but he was
manipulated to do so, or at least poked in the chest to do so, by the West. And you know,
years before he invaded Ukraine...
I was saying exactly that.
As we know, in the Life Story movie we took part in, I was pointing out that NATO was trying to antagonize him by moving eastward to the Russian border to get him to invade Ukraine.
But, you know, this is the thing.
If you see the world in black and white, you've lost the plot, because it ain't like that.
And this is the other thing, which is very, very important in terms of this mainstream clique.
This network, the global cult and that which operates through it, It's stupid and it's ridiculous because anyone that wants to control like they want to control are stupid and ridiculous.
They might think they're very all-powerful, but they're actually bloody stupid.
So that's a gimme for me.
But what they have, not least because they keep information from the public, which is passed on through the secret society network, they have, I'm talking the inner core, not, you know, Bill and Joe down the Lodge.
They have a very advanced grasp of how to manipulate human perception, thus human behavior.
And what I've learned over the years, Jay, very clearly, is if it looks a certain way, it probably ain't like that at all.
Because these people, unless they're getting to the point where they're really going to play something out and they can't hide it anymore, They're not going to show you the real reason for why they're doing something.
I mean, when it gets to this late stage with human caused climate change, you can see that.
But in other ways, like the Putin interview, they're not going to put on public display the real reason for that.
They're gonna let you have a reason that you think is the reason, but it's not.
And we've got to be a lot more streetwise about the way this psychological manipulation works, because it's not black and white.
And, you know, if they were a magician, and that's basically what they are, When they're doing the trick with the left hand, they want you looking at the right.
And that's so much of how they work.
And if we're not streetwise to it, you get caught and you get in a situation where you believe this is why it's happening when it's not.
Yeah, I completely agree, and we're seeing that worldwide.
A final point on this topic to do with the alternative media and research and so on.
I'll start with a theory based on a few things I've read this week, which is interesting, I think.
I'd love to get your take on it.
So, people have talked about Covid, and that was the endgame, that was them trying to get their endgame across, and it didn't quite go as well as they expected because people resisted.
Well, what if actually that whole scenario was never meant to get them to the endgame?
It was meant to highlight the weaknesses in their game ahead of the endgame.
So what it's done is it highlighted areas of the alternative media that were doing very good work
and exposed a lot.
And then since then, they've corrected that by bringing their man in at the lead of it, who's
then taken a lot with him, and then their end game agenda, which is the AI control of humanity,
there's going to be nothing like the resistance to that that there would have been if they'd have just
opened up with that.
So it's almost like that was just them seeing where their weaknesses were,
rectifying them before going to their end game.
What do you think of that?
there could be something in that? Oh I think there's absolutely something in that.
Yes.
And what it did, the COVID, and again, what are we talking about?
We're talking about psychological manipulation.
And you're quite right, seeing where the psychological manipulation needs a bit of a tweak.
to get absolutely what you want.
So what it did is it brought to the surface from the start, those that are really well researched, and not only well researched, are willing to put themselves on public display to say this is a this is a hoax, this is a scam.
And we saw right at the start there were very few of those, but they did get bigger, and it has expanded, and that's really great.
There is a wake-up going on.
It's a multi-level wake-up, yes, but there is a wake-up going on.
So your real endgame, as you say, is the AI control of humanity via connecting the brain to artificial intelligence.
Then you have a hive mind control, and Well, I mean, you're not going to think of challenging the system when you're not thinking.
AI is thinking for you.
And it's not going to manifest, I've got to challenge the system.
It's just going to manifest you doing whatever you're told to do.
And so this emerging awakening, which took an expression, obviously, through the alternative media, Uh, that needed addressing.
And so you're absolutely right.
What they've done is, first of all, they've pushed their people Into center stage, people that weren't calling out COVID, but they're pulling into center stage and giving them all the focus.
And so when people are coming to the alternative way of looking at the world, that's their point of reference, because that's what they basically see because of all the promotion.
And that level is, it's political.
And we've got to target and stop the World Economic Forum and Bill Gates and all that, that level of it.
And they brought Musk in quite blatantly to also hijack that mentality by playing the good guy, because he plays the good guy, so, you know, he's letting people onto Twitter X. We've taken a lot of people off, but Twitter X. So I'm not going to call him out on all this, which he's doing, which is pushing towards the agenda of the AI human.
So yes, it's absolutely, it's all part of the mind game that's going on.
And that's why I'm calling it out, and I'll go on calling it out, and I don't care the abuse that I get.
I mean, that's that, you know, here today, gone tomorrow.
That is, I can't imagine, if I'm not used to abuse after 34 years of it, then when will I be?
But I'm not going to stop, because I can see what's happening.
If we don't call it out and we let these people that have moved in on the alternative media continue to control it and to direct it and limit it, then this endgame is going to happen much easier than it would normally.
And I would say this, Because Alex was saying about Tucker Carlson, well, I know him and he's not a bad man.
Well, first of all, you don't necessarily know him, Alex.
You talk to him.
You don't know him.
But secondly, you don't have to be a bad person.
See, this is where the mind game is misunderstood.
Of course, what you do is you put your agents out there who are knowingly manipulating to a particular end within the alternative media, but they are the very, very few.
There are few key people.
What you really want in a much larger number are people that have the mentality And the limited knowledge of what's happening and what you do is you promote the heck out of them, which is what's happening.
And they're not saying, well, I'm going to say this because it's good for the cult.
They're going to say, I'm going to do this and I'm going to interview this person because I believe that's the right thing to do, and this is the right person to interview.
Because you have limited knowledge.
And I look at Tucker Carlson, he's got ever so limited knowledge, really.
He's very good on the left-right level, in many ways.
But the bigger picture?
No.
Then you look at Andrew Tate, clueless on the bigger picture.
I haven't got any idea what's going on.
But he gets enormous numbers.
Jordan Peterson, same.
Joe Rogan, same.
And so, you know, it's not being disruptive to say we've got to go further.
It's absolutely vital that we do that.
Yeah, that's the job of the alternative media, to push the boundaries constantly.
If we're discussing the same topics as the mainstream, then that's a sign we're not going far enough.
But thank you for joining us tonight.
if you're watching with us on Twitter, to watch the rest of the episode,
if you head over to iconic.com now, and catch us there.
There's a lot of things that I've said over the years, which were perceived to be crazy.
And then suddenly, They start to move mainstream.
I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
What is real?
How do you define real?
If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
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