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Feb. 10, 2024 - David Icke
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Watch The Full AI / Elon Musk Debate With Alex Jones and David Icke
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Um, let's just look at, um, the AI agenda.
I'm...
And how this fits in.
You've got people, your Bill Gates's and your Klaus Schwab's, and what they're doing is going hard cell.
Hard cell, AI, connecting AI to the human brain and human genetics.
That's what needs to happen.
But of course, there's a vast number of what I call pushbackers.
In the United States, in Europe, in the world in general, that don't want that.
They're not having that.
And by the way, Bill Gates came out three months ago and said, we've got to stop the hard sell.
He actually said that.
Yeah, well, so along comes Elon Musk.
And Elon Musk does the soft sell.
He is saying, oh, I'm worried about AI, oh, it's terrible, it could be the end of humanity, and then continues to push the AI agenda.
But it's not too bad.
It can't be as bad because Elon's doing it and he owns Twitter and he's letting people back on Twitter. And these are the things I'm saying that,
you know, we've got to keep questioning these.
I know what you're saying. They did five years of total censorship and it failed.
So they said go to plan B and bring in a co-opter to create a false dialectic of
Elon on one end of freedom and the hard sellers on the other and you're saying
now we're missing the whole paradigm over there because they put us into a
small window.
What I'm saying is look at the outcome.
What is the outcome of the hard cell?
What is the outcome of the soft cell?
At the end of those roads is the same thing.
Humans connected to artificial intelligence.
And what you're trying to do is pull the people that are resisting the hard cell.
You're trying to pull them in.
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All right, I've been wanting to get him on for months, and we've got him.
Best-selling author.
Former top BBC broadcaster, former head of the Green Party, but better known the last 35 years since he got thunderstruck with a vision of the coming New World Order.
I really respect him.
I know he's a great guy.
David Ike is here with us, and I think he serves a great purpose, you know, being kind of the counterbalance to Elon Musk and the things he's been doing.
But I'll be honest, I see Elon moving, you know, if he was pointed towards the New World Order five years ago, I see him moving rapidly.
you know, in a 180. And so I'm positive for the good changes happening and the how it's helping
accelerate the awakening. I'm not going to turn the lights off and turn my back on Elon Musk.
But that said, I don't think it's fair when David comes up with this term,
the mainstream alternative media or ma'am or minions of Elon Musk. I'm also not looking
to gift horse in the mouth. I'm not censoring a damn thing I say.
I'm more hardcore than I've ever been.
And you got Joe Rogan coming out saying Alex Jones is right about everything.
New world order with Aaron Rodgers.
We gotta stop him.
I mean, I know Joe for 25 years.
I know he's not an operative.
He is waking up completely.
Just like David Icke did 35 years ago.
And so that's where I'm at on this, and I turned down the $10 million a year contracts and the book deals to be the new Rush Limbaugh, Roger Ailes, Fox News shows, because they were straight up, you're going to work for us now, you're going to do what we say.
No.
But if somebody says, here, you're banned off this, and now you can counter, everybody's been attacking you.
Then I mean, I'm going to use it.
OK, now that that doesn't mean I'm going to put my knee pads on and, you know, give give Elon Musk a blowjob.
So I'm going to let you run with this.
And I don't really want to have a debate.
I called it a debate because that makes it more interesting.
But a thought provoking discussion.
But I will say, David, I admire you.
And while you're criticizing me and I get your daughter died, I'm so sorry for that.
What a beautiful creature.
But she's still alive.
We all know that she's transcended.
And we'll all, you know, interface with her completely soon.
But And beautiful stuff you've done, I retweeted it, and I'm sending emails, and I get it, it went in your spam, that happens to me too, it's part of the censorship, it's one of the biggest areas, it's those spam blockers, and then I'm trying to get you on saying, hey, I don't think this, while I'm being called this minion thing, it's a little hurtful, I'm not mad at you, because I respect you as a friend, I love you, but, and I know that's mutual, you know I'm real, but I've not been seduced by the dark side, I'm not dancing to the fiddle of Elon Musk, go ahead sir.
Right.
Well, first of all, I'm not saying that people shouldn't use Twitter X. Of course they should use it.
I use it.
It's a vehicle at the moment, for as long as it lasts, to get information out.
An M in MAM doesn't stand for Minion.
It stands for Mainstream.
And there has become a mainstream alternative media, which has dominated the airwaves, if you like.
And if we could just start before we get into Musk, one of the things that I've observed, and that is that when I started out, there was no alternative media, just one or two people.
And I watched the alternative media emerge.
And although, you know, it was still seeing left and right to a certain extent, there was a lot of streetwise people Who were realizing that left and right is a puppet show and that the real decisions that are working through left and right are being made by a deeper levels than the left-right political level, what I call the global cult.
And creating a creating a dialectic where they play the two sides of golf against which you pioneered exposing.
Yeah, but One of the expressions of the global cult, a level down, is what people call the deep state.
So when you look at a situation, maybe we can get into elements of the Putin interview in regard to this later, you see at the left and right level, we're left, they're the liberals, we're against the liberals.
But you go a step deeper into the rabbit hole, into the web, to the cult level, and what appears to be the situation here can be very different here.
And what I've noticed, particularly since Covid, is that this, what I call mainstream of the alternative media, that gets all the numbers basically, has regressed back into this left-right paradigm.
So if you look at the Putin interview, and there was a lot that I agreed with.
I've been pointing out for years and years and years that NATO was poking him in the chest to get him to invade Ukraine.
But if you look at it from this level, you've got a Putin interview with Tucker Carlson And the response is, look, the liberals don't want it.
Look at the liberals.
Hey, it's great, isn't it?
But go deeper and look at the bigger agenda.
And that is the dismantling of Western society and the dismantling of Western power in the world.
That's why they've put a moron in the White House for the last four bloody years or whatever it is.
Three years.
And that's why they've opened the southern border.
That's why they've opened the borders to Europe, because they are dismantling Western culture.
And what is happening is the power in the world is moving eastward.
It's moving to China, and it's moving to their alliance with Russia, and the East in general, and Iran's part of that as well, and the BRICS.
And the globalists have to know their policies are doing that.
And just to be fair then, let's interject here, I'm not the apologist for Elon Musk here, but what I'm saying is, he's come out massively against the open borders, says to destroy Western culture as well.
He sounds like David Icke and Alex Jones.
Yeah, yeah, but it's easy to, words are easier telling you what you want to hear, mate.
I'll get more into Musk as we go along, the questions that are not being asked that should be.
But anyway, what I'm saying is that you've got this movement eastward in terms of power, quite demonstrably, that's what the BRICS thing is all about.
And so over a period of time, because you're coming from this cult level, not left and right, the cult level that works through left and right.
Over this period, this cult has been orchestrating the transfer of global production massively out of America, American corporations and American jobs, and Europe too, into China and the East to give them power over the supply chain in so many areas, even basic things.
And Taiwan is this real global center for things like superconductors and what have you.
Well yeah, mainly the chips for AI are almost all made there.
Yeah, so if China gets that, and that's the plan in the end, then they completely dominate global society in so many ways.
And so, if you look at the Putin interview, And you look at it not from left right or the liberals don't like it.
You look at the cult level.
It suits the cult that the pushbackers in America and and Europe and the West in general see Putin as some kind of hero.
Because what was he doing in the In the interview with Tucker Carlson, he was pushing China.
You shouldn't not stop negotiating with China.
Oh, China's foreign policy is not aggressive.
You tell the people of Africa and South America that it's not aggressive.
So it suits that cult level for Putin to be a hero.
I'm not saying he didn't say some some right things about By the way, David, I totally agree with you, and that was the big area, was him saying America's been surpassed, China's the way to go, Xi Jinping's not expansitory, but we know that the globalists set up Communist China, put them in power in 1949, transferred all the stuff to them, now nine years ago they claim there was a split, and this is all going on.
Take us to the end of your extrapolation, because I respect your view.
So what you've got, as I've said so many times, China is the blueprint for the world.
What's happening in China in terms of control and suppression and the digital concentration... It's the model.
It's the model, and that was set up to be the model.
So what I'm saying is, you know, if you look at it at left and right, then you can see it a certain way, and most people have.
But if you look at it from this cult big picture level, then what you have is the pushbackers of the West, that kind of seeing Putin as some kind of hero, when he's absolutely in bed with the Chinese, that the pushbacker stays a danger.
And Putin, and Putin, and Putin.
We're having a discussion here.
Usually I have you on, you just run because I love hearing you, but I want to add some things.
We have Putin praising Elon Musk, saying he's an amazing, wonderful person, and Elon won't talk about China.
I was waiting for you to bring that up.
That's the one big thing I see Elon is up to there.
You talk about Neuralink too, but it's the China thing.
Yeah, well, we can get into Musk as we go along, but the point I'm making here is that the power is moving east, and the more that... Sure, but my point is, David, and you say it wasn't Minion, I know MAM means, you know, Mainstream Alternative Media, but there were little comments, I don't have the tweets in front of me, the X things, but it was like little groveling people to the... Let me just finish, I'm saying, you're here exposing, hey, I'm talking about Elon being with China and Putin too.
So I'm doing this every day just like you are.
So when you say that, that, that, oh, I'm, I'm, I'm changing, because you put my name on there.
When you're, I'm trying to be straight up with you.
When you're saying I'm changing what I'm saying, I don't think you're tuning in because I'm saying the same stuff you're saying, buddy.
And I agree with you.
Alex, it's not about you, mate.
And it's not about me.
It's about what the hell is happening in the world.
And that's the point I'm making.
Now, if we move to Elon Musk, the thing that I've been observing is that so many things that he would have been questioned about, you know, don't let's personalize this.
I'm talking about the mainstream alternative media in general.
Before he took over Twitter, turned it into X, the same things are not being questioned in the same way.
I mean, you know, the foundation of human control, where we're going, is connecting the human brain to artificial intelligence, not least via the cloud, the electromagnetic cloud of 5G, 6G, 7G to come, which is being generated by the towers.
But fundamentally, if you want it global, It's being generated by low-orbit satellites.
Now, without this cloud, this agenda cannot happen.
This is the cloud that Ray Kurzweil at Google talks about, where he said that the human brain is going to be connected to the cloud, artificial intelligence, and then he says artificial intelligence will do more and more of human thinking until human thinking as we know it is basically negligible.
So this cloud is fundamental.
And SpaceX, Elon Musk's SpaceX, is leading the way in putting up low-orbit satellites to beam this stuff at the Earth.
And so the question is, if you are against this New World Order, This human control system and hive mind, why are you facilitating it and bragging about it in posts on Twitter X that you're putting these low orbit satellites up there?
And you know, if Elon Musk is such a rebel, such a threat to the system, how come that SpaceX gets all these contracts, massive amounts of money, From people like NASA and the Pentagon.
Only a few months ago, they were awarded a contract by the Pentagon to take over and create something called Starshield, which is the military government communication system version of Starlink.
Now, these things should be questioned.
When Tucker Carlson interviews Elon Musk, when Joe Rogan interviews Elon Musk, they should be asking, how do you square this?
Now, the connection to the cloud is meant to be via chipping.
And here we have Neuralink from someone who says AI could be the end of humanity.
And yet turns out more and more AI stuff, the Neuralink has just had the first human trial.
Now, I think it's a bit of a kind of diversion because the real connection to the cloud is through nanotechnology, not least that which was in the and is in the fake vaccine.
But it's still going down the same road of chipping.
OK, so David, you're a great Great, you're a guy that does a great job lecturing, and I agree with everything you're saying, but let me just interject, you're bringing this up.
I'm just making my point, mate.
You're getting about 80% of the time.
So, all I'm saying is, and I'm not trying to be mean to you, but I actually... I don't care, mate.
It's okay, you know, hey, we're friends, aren't we?
I like you, you like me.
Yeah, just go ahead with what you say.
No, but I'm gonna ask you, do you think I'm an agent of the New World Order?
No, the point is, as I've said many times, you don't have to be.
If you have a certain mentality and you focus, for instance, on left-right politics and they're the people that get the promotion and the numbers, Then you don't have to be part of it, you just have to be... No, I agree, and I'm the guy that coined the term left-right paradigm.
What I'm trying to say here is, if I saw the left waking up and taking on the globalists, I would support that.
It's not a leftist thing, it's a populist awakening.
And I see the major beachhead worldwide of populism being called right-wing.
So that just identifies that, but I totally get what you're saying.
But here's what I wanted to agree with you on.
When he came out and said, we're going to put it in shopping malls and everybody's going to get brain chips five years ago, I said, look, they've already got this in government laboratories.
Microsoft's doing it at IBM.
He's popularizing it.
I don't like this.
Then he backed off that, which I thought was a terrible idea to have brain chips to go to school.
But if somebody is paralyzed or somebody is blind, then I think the technology is great.
The problem is what Trojan horses will they put in?
I just wanted to add that.
So I'm not an apologist for Elon Musk.
I've just been looking at all the angles of it.
Go ahead.
Yeah, well, as I was saying, his company Neuralink is pushing the way, at least popularizing the concept of a brain chip connecting to artificial intelligence.
And if you connect to artificial intelligence, artificial intelligence becomes your mind.
And then you've got another agenda.
These are all WEF agendas, by the way, which is Autonomous vehicles, where the computer will decide where you can and cannot go, not your personal choice.
And so you have Tesla.
So what I'm saying is, you look at the companies and the things that are done that he's fronting up, and these need to be questioned.
And since he took over Twitter X, in very large areas they're ceasing to be questioned.
I'll give you an example.
No, I think that's fair and I want you to make your point, but then after you're done, because I don't want to forget this, let's just say you're completely right.
That's why we have you here, because we're not censoring and I respect you and we really like you a lot, David, even though you're a little perturbed with me.
Let's say he is a terrible guy.
What is their plan with him then?
And why are they doing this?
Why are they having him act like he's on our side?
That shows me we're really winning big time if they're having to send him in and try to co-op things.
But just go ahead.
Right.
Well, yeah, I'll come to that in a second.
And I want to.
But I just want to make this point.
There's a Dutch activist.
I'm not picking on picking on her.
It's just a good example.
This is this is something that is across the board.
There's a Dutch activist called Eva Vlaandingerbroek.
And she did a video, I don't know, maybe just a bit over a year ago.
And it was excellent.
It was her speaking.
And she said, Elon Musk is not your friend.
He's pushing the world towards transhumanism.
And she was right.
Round of applause.
But the same Eva today is, you know, like a lovesick teenager in relation to Elon Musk.
Oh, yeah, Elon this, Elon that.
Elon drops a tweet supporting one of hers.
Oh, thank you, Elon.
This is not where we should be going.
We shouldn't be eulogizing anyone.
We should be dispassionately, calmly looking at everything.
So let's just look at the AI agenda.
And how this fits in.
You've got people, your Bill Gates's and your Klaus Schwab's, and what they're doing is going hard-cell.
Hard-cell AI, connecting AI to the human brain and human genetics, that's what needs to happen.
But of course, there's a vast number of what I call pushbackers.
In the United States, in Europe, in the world in general, that don't want that.
They're not having that.
And by the way, Bill Gates came out three months ago and said, we've got to stop the hard sell.
He actually said that.
Yeah, well, so along comes Elon Musk.
And Elon Musk does the soft sell.
He is saying, oh, I'm worried about AI, oh, it's terrible, it could be the end of humanity, and then continues to push the AI agenda.
But it's not too bad.
It can't be as bad because Elon's doing it and he owns Twitter and he's letting people back on Twitter.
And these are the things I'm saying that, you know, we've got to keep questioning these things.
No, I know what you're saying.
They did five years of total censorship and it failed.
So they said, go to plan B and bring in a co-opter to create a false dialectic of Elon on one end of freedom
and the hard sellers on the other.
And you're saying now we're missing the whole paradigm over there because they put us into a small window.
What I'm saying is, look at the outcome.
What is the outcome of the hard cell?
What is the outcome of the soft cell?
At the end of those roads is the same thing.
Humans connected to artificial intelligence.
And what you're trying to do is pull the people that are resisting the hard sell, you're trying
to pull them in.
All right, stay there, stay there, David. You're making your points, but
agreeing with most of what you're saying, but you've made statements and things,
so I'm not bad for interjecting and bringing things up and telling you I'm saying the same thing.
Good, good.
I'm doing the same thing I do every day.
You're on.
I love it.
And that's what we're doing.
So I'm not ma'am.
I'm not part of ma'am.
Let's just get that straight.
All right.
We got David Icahn with us.
We'll be right back.
We'll talk about this more.
It's fascinating.
Gunther in Tennessee.
Thanks for calling, Gunther.
Hey, Alex.
First time caller.
Real quick, wanted to plug your foundational energy.
Just started taking that.
And boy, three pills, the recommended dose, I was bouncing off the walls.
But I tell you, foundational is the right name for that product because I've cut down to one.
It's like you have a baseline of energy that you were missing before that you got back.
Well, I'm glad you mentioned that, because it's methylfolate, the breakdown of folic acid, and a lot of people, particularly Europeans, don't absorb all of the folic acid.
So it's not a stimulant, it's a totally natural thing that boosts energy that's foundational.
And was I lying to you, or did it not work?
No, it was top-notch.
And I was actually taking Red Pill Plus before, and that's got a little folic acid in it.
I think there was a little buildup from this, but the energy from this was no jitters.
I mean, it's top-notch.
It's a great product.
Well, thank you so much.
Yeah, no, folic acid's great and it's in real red pill, but some can't break it down.
This is the breakdown of it.
That's exactly it.
All right, I get David Icke's point about the new Hollywood is Elon Musk.
But the system knew they were failing and that all the independent media just a year ago had all the biggest audiences despite the censorship, it was failing.
So if you go with David's argument, let's just do this for, you know, not Devil's Advocate, but David Icke Advocate.
They said, okay, send in Elon Musk, and then give them limited freedom there, and then we'll be in control of the narrative again.
If that's the truth, well, it shows the system's failing.
And I remember you on my show, in like 2000, I mean, you've been coming on my show, the first time I interviewed you was like 1997 or something.
But I remember you in the early 2000s saying, part of my download is, your download's been proven really accurate, so I respect you.
But then I think you can't look at what other people are doing with a wide net and say, oh, they've been co-opted.
No, it's just people being positive about a breach in the wall.
You know, whoever blew it, you're like, I see a global awakening.
Starting in 2016, they try to suppress it.
And then by 2025, we're going to decide where we're going.
If we make the right decision, I'm paraphrasing, we can beat them by 2030.
If not, they'll still get beaten.
I mean, that's what you were saying then.
I could dig the clips up.
And I don't think Trump's perfect or anybody's perfect.
But my point is, you nailed that.
And I go to the grocery store, and five years ago, we'd get screamed at.
I would shake 30, 40 hands, but I'd be screamed at two or three times.
It's been a year and a half, I've been screamed at twice.
And everywhere I go to pump gas or walk the dog or, you know, go anywhere, all I see is positive.
It doesn't mean I'm perfect, but I mean, I know I'm real.
And I just see a huge awakening happening.
And that goes to your point, well, they're going to need to co-opt it.
So how would they strike back?
It'd be something like Musk.
The thing is, Alex, you're kind of missing my point.
I'm not saying there's not a global awakening.
When I started out in 1990, you couldn't fill a phone booth.
David, I'm not missing what you said.
I said there's a global awakening and you're saying Musk is trying to co-opt it.
That's what I just said.
OK, well, I misunderstood you then.
But the thing is that I'm not saying there's not a global awakening.
There is.
But, you know, if you are this cult and you see this happening, you want to take it into a cult.
That's what I said.
I said, are you saying that's what they see?
Stop making it personal.
And let's just have a discussion about about what's going on.
So the question then is, What happened when Elon Musk purchased Twitter?
OK, because that was the change.
That was the change.
That's when so many people in the alternative media started eulogizing him instead of questioning him and exposing him, as they would have done if he hadn't bought Twitter.
So he's bought Twitter and he puts out the Twitter files.
And he shows that Twitter's operation, who could post and what could be posted, was basically completely controlled by the Deep State.
And if you said to people, was Twitter controlled by the Deep State before Elon Musk, they'd say, yeah, all the Twitter files, they showed it.
Yeah.
Okay.
So the Deep State was in a position that was exactly what it wanted then.
It was controlling the narrative, who could post and who couldn't, just like Facebook and YouTube and all these people.
So my question is, why did they sell it to Musk then, who is supposed to be this free speech absolutist?
Why would they do that?
And then you ask, OK, so what's happened as a result?
And what's happened as a result is exactly what I'm talking about and challenging, which is people have stopped questioning all the ways That this man is serving the agenda of the cult and the World Economic Forum, etc.
They've stopped doing it in the way they would have done had he not bought and run Twitter.
The guy's still...
Demanding a carbon tax.
He wants a guaranteed income.
All these are World Economic Forum policies.
He's still doing it.
He's been doing it in terms of the carbon tax going way back.
He spoke at the Paris climate You repost stuff from a few years ago, and I'm not defending him, but he's not been promoting it now, but he has a few years ago.
You're right.
He needs to answer for that.
So give us your 35,000 foot view here.
What do you think is happening?
Why were they forced, if you're right, to bring him in?
And where do you think this is going?
And how do we respond?
Well, where it's going, in part in relation to Twitter X, Is described by Linda Iaccarino, the CEO.
By the way, to interrupt, just start over.
You're right.
I'm wrong.
I didn't know this.
He just, a few days ago, called for carbon tax.
The video you put out was old.
You're right.
He did it.
There it is right there.
David Icke.
That's right.
Put it back on screen.
Start over, David.
Yeah, he did.
So Linda Iaccarino, who's got very major World Economic Forum connections, starts talking about Uh, freedom of speech, but not freedom of reach.
What is that?
Shadow banning.
Shadow banning.
She talks about the fact that if it's lawful but awful, it's lawful!
Who decides if it's awful?
Oh, well, we do!
If it's lawful but awful, then you're gonna really struggle to see it and find it.
Now, this is not a free speech platform.
Now, what this means is through your algorithms, You can emphasize people you want to be seen and you want to be promoted and you want people to follow them and think that that's where it's at.
And then those that are not, then you start shadow banning them.
And there are many, many people who are on Twitter, decent people who are putting stuff out.
Josh Sigerson being one.
who was clearly shadow banned by the numbers that they get.
And so this is the start of a slippery slope.
But the point is, it's not Elon Musk or Twitter or whatever.
It's how that has stopped much of the alternative media that would have been calling him out
for these services to the cult, services to the WEF agenda, but are not doing it now.
And the other thing that's happening in the world in the mainstream alternative media Is that people are coming in since Covid and are now being promoted as the people we're supposed to listen to, the people that get massive audiences when they are given interviews with Tucker Carlson, people like Brett Weinstein.
And Brett Weinstein's interviewed on Tucker Carlson as if he's some kind of expert and activist on COVID.
And this is the man who bought every aspect of COVID virtually.
And there's a video of him during the fake pandemic.
Describing how he wore a scarf around his neck so he could pull it up over his face every time he answered the door.
And now we're being told that this guy is supposed to be the COVID activist that gets the massive numbers on Tucker Carlson.
What about all the people that were calling it out in 2020, Tucker?
Well, I was and you were, but let me just stop you there.
And I actually wrote some notes on this and I forgot the house.
This is one of my points.
Brett Weinstein, when he went on Tucker, admitted he was wrong and said that it's all a lie, there's a global government takeover, we're being invaded, and the borders are open, and the New World Order is real, and there's a global government that we need to... I don't know if you watched the full interview.
I bet Tucker wants to interview you.
I mean, so my point is, I know Tucker's for real.
Tucker is really woken up now.
And he's a great guy.
I mean, he's not the devil.
Musk has this background.
I get your points there, but just when you just sit there with a... I mean, don't we have to be ready to have people that were wrong wake up and join us?
What's the problem with Brett Weinstein?
Well, yes, we do.
But where are the people that caught it out of the time?
Where's their promotion?
The ones who could see it at the start because of the research they'd done before that didn't buy it, like Brett Weinstein, because they'd done the research.
You're picking up that I'm saying that Tucker Carlson is a bad person.
I'm not saying that.
It's what your mentality is, how much you know about the big picture, who you choose to interview or not interview, who you choose to promote and not promote. That's your choice. So you're
trying to point this out to get people to think deeper? Of course I am. That's the whole point.
The thing is, we're getting caught again on the left, right kind of puppet show, vaudeville show,
and not going to that step beyond it, which is where both sides are being manipulated, and seeing
what that's...
No, I agree.
So let me ask you this.
Let me ask some questions.
Let me ask some questions here, David.
I know you can talk for 10 hours.
We love you.
Everybody loves you.
Let me ask some questions here, because you teed this up.
We've got to have some of these.
Tell us, because I respect you.
I think you're one of the big visionaries of our age.
If not, the top two or three.
Where would Musk take us if we fall for this, if you're right?
Where do they want to take us versus what do you think we should do?
Well, where they want to take us, both the hard sell and the soft sell, is to a connection between the human brain, the human body, and artificial intelligence.
See, the hard sell says this is where we must go, we should go, look at all the fantastic things, we'll be gods, says Ray Kurzweil.
And Elon Musk says, well, I'm worried, but, you know, there's no stopping it.
So, you know, if we're not going to get left behind by artificial intelligence, we've got to have an artificial intelligence connection so that we don't get left behind by artificial intelligence.
And at the end of the day, what happens is Humans are connected to artificial intelligence and that is something that must not happen.
Because the moment it does, it's over.
So let's talk good news.
I agree.
I'm going to shut up for five minutes.
I'm going to shut up.
Hold on, David, David, David, David.
This is a discussion and debate.
I told you to think.
And therefore, we must resist that at all times.
And that means investigating and highlighting and calling out Elon Musk when he's trying to get us to go down that road just as we're calling out swab and gates for in another way telling us to go down that road.
So you're saying Because I love it when you come on the show and I always give you the floor and I give you 80% of the time, but this is more of a debate discussion here, so just please let me ask these questions.
You're saying this is good cop, bad cop, with Elon Musk as the good cop and Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab as the bad cops.
If that's right, you're talking about solutions, what do we do to then counter this?
Well, we absolutely do not buy.
I'm having a connection to artificial intelligence in any way, shape or form.
That's the bottom line, because it's over once we do.
Artificial intelligence will be doing your thinking for you.
It will be doing your emotional responses for you.
That's the whole idea.
I've been writing for decades about the plan to create a hive mind, which can be centrally controlled.
And so how do they do that?
Well, they put chips inside you, actually nanochips.
And so, like I said earlier, in so many ways, this Neuralink thing is a diversion.
And you get connected to the electromagnetic technologically generated cloud, which these people are creating with their low orbit satellites, Elon Musk and SpaceX being the forefront of it.
And if that happens, and I say that That self-replicating technology to connect people to the cloud was in the fake vaccines.
Those kinds, of course there were many saline I'm sure as well, but those self-replicating systems that have been shown in the blood of people who've had the fake vaccine, that's what's supposed to connect us to the cloud.
And every single SpaceX satellite that goes up there and all the other companies doing it, but they're the leader, every new 5G tower and 6G, 7G tower to come is building this cloud to which we are supposed to be connected.
This is the this is the bottom line.
This is what has to be stopped.
This is what we have to refuse to cooperate with.
But, you know, if you get kind of focused on the left-right kind of Biden-Trump stuff.
I'm not saying people shouldn't look at that. Of course they should.
But it's the big picture that's being obscured by that focus of attention.
All right, David. I've got a million questions, and I'm not trying to be mean to you.
Just in the place of debate, you said, I'm going to stop here, you said don't make it personal, I'm not going to be an asshole and read these things.
All I'm telling you is, is that I am not a minion of the system.
I will use any avenue I can.
And I see a big bandwagon waking up with the New World Order.
I can't help but get excited.
I do smell the double cross.
I'm going to say this.
When they first put me on X and a little bit after, I watched that when I did certain things and exposed certain things like China and things, suddenly we weren't reaching 10 million people or 5 million people per post.
We've been dialed back.
And we're seeing that now that the conservatives all come in.
And now I even talked to some of the biggest accounts.
They're seeing it too.
So, I think you're going in the right direction here.
Let's talk about who you, from your research, think Elon Musk is.
I know you say they want to connect us to AI.
I agree, we know that.
That's the plan.
But I'm saying, who do you think he is?
Why was he chosen?
And where do you think this is going?
And so many questions.
The election, Russia, the wars, how are they going to, what new crisis is the globalist system going to use?
A new virus?
I mean, just kind of give us, we're ten minutes to break, nine minutes to break.
I'm trying to give you the floor.
Give us your prognosis or forecast.
Yeah, and I will, but just let me say this in response to what you've just said.
You can use X to get information out, knowing what it is, without describing Elon Musk as the biggest maverick in the last 500 years, mate.
He ain't the biggest maverick in the last 500 minutes.
And if you ask me about who he is, he's a frontman, he's a salesman.
You know, I had to bloody laugh when he said on the Joe Rogan, one of the Joe Rogan interviews, that he spent 80% of his time designing and engineering.
Oh, at the same time that he runs all these companies, apparently, and tweets on Twitter X all the time.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
He's a front man.
Other people in the background are running the show, but he's a very good salesman.
He's selling the electric car, autonomous car thing.
I'm selling the microchip.
He's saying, oh, look, you know, we've got more and more Starlink connections and satellites.
Isn't it great?
Oh, yeah, Elon.
Without people realizing, actually, the prison is being built all around them.
So he's a front man.
And what we need to do is take everything on its merits without falling for the hype.
And that means that we will question these people, whether they run Twitter X or not.
We question them.
We look at what they do, not what they say.
And therefore, we don't fall for the scam.
So where I'm going with this.
is that if you are flying down a freeway and you've got the outcome at the end, which is this stuff becomes so well known that action is taken to bring it down, then you want to take people off the freeway.
You want to take them down the slip road and ideally you want to put them in a cul-de-sac.
And this is what I'm talking about when I'm saying that The focus on left-right politics is a cul-de-sac.
Not that it doesn't have to be looked at, but if that's what all we're looking at, that they're the answers, then we're going to sit there while the cloud and the AI and all the rest of it, and the digital currencies, Putin's planning to bring in a digital currency.
Putin did all the stuff like lockdowns during I mean, are we really so naive that we think that Russia is different?
There's a global cult, it works through America and Canada and Europe and China, but not Russia.
It's ridiculous.
We've got to get out of this idea of just looking at left-right and go to the next level.
Well, let me tell you.
That level that's controlling and manipulating and playing like the string section, the left-right paradigm and the left-right perception.
Well, David, let me just throw this in real quick, then, and you continue.
I just learned about this the last four or five days.
A lot of really prominent anti-globalist people, and I'm told I'm about to be invited, are being invited to the Global Government Summit.
The one Elon was on last year and said, we don't want global government.
They're now inviting a bunch of anti-globalists to their events.
What's that about?
Well, they're trying to co-opt the alternative media.
This is all part of the soft sell.
Sure, and I think that goes to what you're saying.
Yeah.
And we have to hold the line.
You know, the alternative media is something that questions everything.
And it doesn't eulogize anybody.
And it doesn't treat anyone as a god, whether they're Musk or Putin or Trump or anyone.
It dispassionately looks at events and looks at evidence and concludes from that dispassionately
what's going on.
Once you start believing in somebody, then your ability to be dispassionate is massively
diluted.
The alternative media must not get pulled into that.
No, I totally agree.
Like you have Iconic, we have Banned.Video and Infowars.com.
We should use places like X and Rumble and other places to energize our independent platforms.
But everybody shouldn't just only put their eggs in one basket.
We need to decentralize.
Well, the thing is, if everything goes on to X, And everything is focused on X, then it's pulled in terms of freedom of speech.
It already is for some people.
Then it's over.
And this is the other thing you know about Twitter X and Elon Musk.
He changed the name to X and fused it into something, so Twitter disappeared, into something called X Corp.
But the parent company of X Corp that actually owns Twitter X is called X Holdings Corporation.
And some Twitter X employees who are running a court case trying to get some compensation for being fired, they demanded last summer that the shareholders of X Holdings Corporation, the parent company of Twitter, the ultimate owners, Be revealed.
And they revealed the list, except that every single name, including Elon Musk's, I think we've got an idea, he's one of them, was redacted.
And then they asked the judge to have a situation, which she agreed to, whereby the lawyers would be told what the list was of the employees, X, but it's not made public and that they cannot take it any further.
And what did come out of this list of redactions is that there's 95 of them.
Who are they?
Why don't we know?
Come on, Elon, let's have you.
Let's see who the 95 shareholders are.
Of ex-Holdings Corporation, so we know who actually owns this deal.
You know, we're talking about transparency, right?
And we gotta go to break.
And we did, speaking of X, we have an X Spaces going, and sometimes Elon pops into these.
We've sent invites to him.
I don't know if he is, but this is not our regular lecture.
We love you.
Once you're on, you can come on three hours.
You can just lecture us.
I'll have you talk 8% of the time.
You got a new book coming out.
Hope you come back on next week.
I'm not lecturing.
I'm just stating my opinion.
No, no, no, no.
I hope you come on next week and just particularly talk about the book.
But we're going to bring in some folks with questions and comments randomly off of X when we come back.
But you'll have some more time to finish up.
You can stay the whole next hour if you want.
You can leave in 30 minutes if you want.
But we've got to start the third hour right now with David Icke.
People can find all of his work at DavidIke.com, and you can also find it at Iconic.com.
And we have the David Ike channel on Band.Video, which we've seen Band.Video get a lot less traffic
since we're on X.
That's not good, because we have all those other great contributors on there.
So I get what David's saying.
We'll be right back with our number three and we're live on Spaces on X. Stay with us.
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Alright, well David's raised some really important thoughts.
We should always investigate everything, look at every angle, and I tend to lean what direction he's going, but I also won't look a gift horse in the mouth.
I'm going to use X. I'm going to ride the horse until it dies, or until we win, or until I'm kicked off of it.
But, David, we've got a short segment here because some stations join us.
You've agreed to do some X questions from people on X Spaces coming up.
David, though, we've got four minutes to break.
What else is on your radar screen?
Well, I'm writing a book at the moment.
It's a deep, deep, deep, deep, deep in the rabbit hole book, which is, you know, what ultimately controls the cult that controls humanity.
And of course, We talked about this before, that force is not actually human and doesn't actually operate in this reality we call human.
So that's that's what I'm writing at the moment.
And it's very, very deep stuff and amazing stuff.
Because what's starting to happen is that some of the things that a lot of the things that I've been writing about over the decades in relation to all this and got so much abuse and Ridicule for a lot of people in in science now coming from that direction are starting to say it makes sense and they're kind of explaining it from their point of view of how it can work like that.
This is a this is a virtual reality simulation that we're experiencing just across the water of I live on an island just off the south coast of England.
And just before Christmas, there was a guy, a physicist from Portsmouth University, in all the papers in Britain, talking about the fact that he believed that we do live in a simulation.
There's lots of scientists now who are starting to see that it makes sense of what otherwise is an unexplainable world.
And I've been writing and saying that since not long after the turn of the millennium.
So there's a lot of things coming together of the real, real big picture variety that needs to be understood by people so we can see where this is really coming from and not just focus only on the symptoms, but see where the cause is.
So I'm a bit kind of bewildered because I'm answering a question and then someone's saying to me, keep going, David.
I mean, is Alex disappearing?
What's going on?
No, David, I actually jumped up because they have to have my phone to connect to X because we're about to take... Alright, okay.
I was literally just handing him my phone and we're about to take the calls.
I got an earpiece in, so I just walked over there to hand him a phone and he stopped right when I got up.
See here, I'm listening to you.
See the little receiver here?
So I'm not ignoring... I'm listening to every word you're saying.
See, I'm accused of interrupting here, but I'm trying to get you to talk.
No, no, no, that's all right.
I just, when it goes quiet and someone says keep going, I don't know what's going on.
Anyway, yeah, so that's the sort of stuff I'm working on.
And I've been working on for quite a long time.
Well, a very long time now.
And that's the fact that, you know, we can look at the manipulation at the level of politics and finance and the human world, if you like.
But the biggest manipulation of all is the manipulation of our sense of reality.
You know, we live our lives as if we're living in a solid world where everything's kind of apart from everything else.
But that's only one level of this, and it's illusory.
The way that we are constructing our reality is exactly the same as the principle of Wi-Fi and a computer.
Absolutely.
It's almost like we're being grown like lab rats to be interfaced.
Back in 60 seconds, finish.
Yeah, and I did find it kind of interesting that one or two people now are starting to say actually maybe there's a non-human force that's manipulating.
Even Tucker!
Let's talk about that non-human force.
Stay there 60 seconds.
We're on all these radio stations.
That's why we're still on air.
We'll be right back.
It was back in the mid-1990s that David said non-human interdimensional creatures are sucking our souls and killing us and making us war with each other.
Now when you talk about it, it's mainline news.
Now Tucker Carlson says he believes it.
People don't balk.
So there's a big awakening.
I want to go to some of these X Spaces comments or questions.
Quick ones for David Icke here.
Amazing discussion last hour about Elon Musk.
A lot of thought-provoking things.
We appreciate David being here, especially with all he's been going through lately.
His new book's coming out.
He promises to come back soon.
We'll do a commercial-free podcast and talk about the new book.
We'll plug it before he leaves as well.
But you got interrupted by that little Break where we join some stations get into this Understanding of that.
We only see a little bit of the light spectrum.
We're basically blind Yeah, I mean this is the area that really does open up the the true scale of human manipulation and puts into perspective the focus only on the politics and the world of the scene One thing that should be taught to every child as soon as they're old enough to grasp it, is that when you look through your eyes in the space you think you're looking at, you're not seeing everything in the space that you appear to be seeing.
You're seeing a tiny band of frequency called visible light that is so tiny it's a bloody joke.
If you take the projected size of the universe as perceived at the moment by mainstream science, then the electromagnetic spectrum, which is basically our reality, is around 0.005% of what exists in the universe in terms of energy in all its forms.
And visible light, which is the only frequency band that we can actually see, is a smear of the 0.005%.
Humans are basically blind.
And as I've explained in the books in great detail, there's a reason for that.
We're designed to be basically blind because then we'll not see what the hell is going on and what we're part of.
And so if you look at technology as it's coming in now, the AI and the computerization, all of this stuff, What it's doing, and not by accident either, is mimicking the very reality that we're experiencing.
The virtual reality that we're experiencing is being mimicked by this technology.
And what they're doing, and this is what this cloud's all about, is they're laying another layer of illusion on top of the big illusion, which is the simulation in general.
And because we can see a fraction of what there is to see in the space that we're in, all infinity exists in the space that you're sitting in now, but we can't see it because it's on a different wavelength, a different frequency to the one that we are tuned to, and what this body computer, biological computer, that's what it is, locks us into.
And so If you look at the way that a computer decodes Wi-Fi, it's exactly the way that we're decoding this simulation.
This simulation is not a construct, it's not a physical construct.
It's a field of information, just like Wi-Fi.
And so what happens is a computer, although I'm looking around, if there's Wi-Fi in this room, where is it?
We can't see it, no, because it's outside of the wavelength of sight, human sight.
But if you get a computer and you tune it to the Internet, what comes on the screen is whatever part of the Internet, the Wi-Fi field, that you've chosen to go to and see.
And what you're seeing, if you said to people, tell me about the Internet, they'd say, well, it's pictures on the screen, it's moving pictures, it's graphics, it's text and all that stuff.
Yes, it is.
But the Internet in that form only exists on the screen.
Everywhere else it's a Wi-Fi field of information and electrical circuits.
And so then you think, well, where is what I'm looking at, that internet that I perceive as the internet, where is it?
It's inside the computer.
It's not here or there or there, it's inside the computer.
So then you take to the, this is not, you know, pulling it out of the ether, this is mainstream science.
How do we create reality?
What happens is the five senses are locking us in to this cosmic Wi-Fi field, shall we say, the simulation Wi-Fi field.
And the five senses, the ears are a wonderful example, but they all work the same.
They're picking up wave field information, wave information, just like sound waves with the ears.
They then turn it into electrical information, which they communicate to the brain, And there's certain areas of the brain that specialize in decoding that electrical information from the various senses, and the brain then forms it into the reality that we think is outside of us, but it's actually in here, just as the reality of the Wi-Fi is in the computer.
And so if you break this down to the big picture consequences, The very foundation of human control and the manipulation of human perception is at the very level that we perceive reality itself.
We are living a reality that appears to be a certain kind of reality, but it isn't.
And if you're manipulating people's The very sense of reality, the very sense of the world they're existing in, which is nothing like what it seems to be as we experience it, then you go down the levels to the manipulation of politics.
And these are just symptoms of the big, big manipulation, which is the manipulation of our reality itself.
Let me just say this to finish the point.
Like I say, we now have technology unfolding that is mimicking the very simulated reality that we're experiencing.
And so we have headsets.
Look at the internet now.
There's more and more pictures of these people with headsets on walking down the street, even driving bloody cars, autonomous cars.
You go on the internet and you look at compilations of people with headsets on who are, the moment they put them on, their sense of reality is completely taken over.
They're jumping around, they're screaming, they're falling over.
Yeah, that shows they were already pre-programmed and have been prepped for this.
Yeah, the point being, yeah.
I get nauseous, I can't wear them.
Well, I don't even go there, but they put their headsets on.
And they might be in an empty room, there might be one or two people there, whatever.
And suddenly, the information coming through their headset has completely taken over their sense of reality.
They're possessed!
They're possessed!
What they can do is take the headset off and go, phew, it was just a game.
Now imagine if the headset was the biological computer And the only way you can take the headset body computer off
is when you die.
And this is why people who have these near-death experiences, millions of people now, cumulatively,
describe that when they leave the body, they're totally free.
They are experiencing a completely different reality with different levels of physics.
Why?
What are physics?
What are the laws of physics?
They are the codes encoded into the simulation.
David, you've told us this a hundred times and it's all, I agree with you, and people are waking up, you're a trailblazer.
A bunch of your books, I've read most of them, get into this.
What's the best book to understand all this?
Well, there's the latest ones called the dream because that's what this is.
It's an induced dream.
And if you want the real deep, deep, massive one like that is one called everything you need to know, but have never been told.
So you we are experiencing a reality.
You imagine you come out of the womb with a headset on.
Your parents have got headsets on.
You go to school, your mates have got headsets on, the teachers have got headsets on.
And you're saying that's what we're already in and now we're breaking out of that.
That's what we're already in.
And if you have a headset on from leaving the womb to entering the tomb, then when you see how reality... That's how they trick your soul.
That's how they manipulate you towards some greater end.
You've got to come back... You're going to believe that reality and that's what we are.
We're believing a reality that actually is a simulation for one reason.
To control our sense of perception.
And from perception comes behavior.
And if you control behavior, you control society.
Sure.
I'm going to nail you down.
I'm going to nail you down.
I want to go to some of these calls for you.
Got to go.
Some of these X comments.
I have no idea what they're going to say, who they are.
I think the crew may know someone.
They're looking them up.
But just in closing, when are you going to come on commercial free hour on your new book?
Well, I'm still writing it.
That's the point.
That's why I said to Daria, you know, I couldn't come on in January because...
I was in a really deep series.
I understand, so as soon as you're ready, DavidIke.com, we want to do it.
Back in the spring, maybe, will be the best time to do that.
All right, we'll get you on soon.
While we've still got you, let's pull up, X has only done this three or four times, and instead of phone calls, this is people on X who want to talk to you, and so I've got the crew in there connected to this.
I don't know how it really works, but the crew's doing it.
Who do we go to first, Chase?
Let's go to Brian Krasenstein.
He joined and asked to speak.
Go ahead and unmute yourself and say what you've got to say, Brian.
Hey, I just jumped in here, so I caught the tail end of everything that you're saying, but I actually, as crazy as I think many people think it sounds, I believe we're living in a simulation, or at least I think that that's more likely than a lot of the other alternatives.
And the saying goes, if you think we're gonna be able to actually simulate a universe in the future,
then the probability is we're actually living in a simulation.
If you combine Neuralink with Apple's headset right now, and then consider AI being able to render environments
that might not have to be actually there in a simulation, and then fast forward 50 years from now,
do you think it will be possible to simulate a universe and make people believe they're in that universe?
I think the answer is probably yes.
Well, I think it's absolutely yes.
And what I would say, mate, is that we're already there because this simulation is doing just that.
And it's another interesting thing, you know, if you're creating a simulation and you want to absolutely control people's perception, therefore their behavior, then you don't want them interacting with other species of life within that, quote, universe, so that there's an exchange of knowledge, an exchange of understanding.
You want them to believe they're isolated and you want them to live a life as if it's isolated.
So you look out at this apparently endless universe You look out at the night sky and you see all those lights and all those planets and what have you.
And there was a guy called Fermi who asked this question.
It became known as the Fermi Paradox.
There's all those lights, all those planets, all those stars.
Where the hell are the bloody aliens?
Well, where they are is outside of our visible light reality.
That's why we can't see them.
But when you look out into the night sky, It's a very kind of lonely view.
That we're all alone despite all that.
Of course it's alone because it's a projection.
It's a simulation and the emptiness and the lack of life that it seems to have is encoded into the simulation.
David, you've been saying that for 30 years and now all these mainline scientists, as you mentioned, are saying they think it's a simulation as well.
I want to go back to the journalist that called in for a response back to David.
Yeah, and part of Fermi's Paradox, one of the suggestions is that the reason why aliens haven't reached out is because when a civilization gets technologically advanced enough, instead of going outward into space, they go inward.
Basically into this virtual environment so I think there's like so many tidbits of information out there that that could suggest that this is a simulation.
I would say it's far more likely than the various religions of the world or whatever other things people believe.
What's interesting I think what's kind of getting a lot of scientists to to come down this road is because if it's a simulation a lot of Mysteries of life and reality start to make sense.
For instance, what I said just after the turn of the millennium is that this is a simulation and the limit of the simulation at this level is, because there are others, is the speed of light.
There was an article in Scientific American in April 2021 where this academic had written this article saying he believed we lived in a simulation.
and he was saying that he felt the limit of the simulation was the speed of light.
Well off me chair and he was presenting the speed of light as the processing speed of the simulation.
And David, you said that 30 years ago, so I'm giving you, giving you credit there.
We need to move the next person.
We got a lot of other great people.
I want to talk to David.
I hope he stays with us for the rest of the hour, but he's doing a lot right now, right?
Finishing his book.
His amazing daughter went to the next level.
So we really appreciate David being here with us today.
One of my daughters.
I've got three daughters.
I've probably known her for a year, but David's a tough guy.
We love David.
Who's up next here, Chase?
Let's go with Adrian Dittman.
Adrian, go ahead and unmute yourself and say what you have to say.
Yeah, I think it's really interesting that David Icke, say, complains of, I don't know, being connected to the hive mind, even though he already is.
I mean, you're right now speaking to thousands of people simultaneously, which is a selective hive mind via a piece of tech.
It's just not integrated into your brain.
That's the only difference.
As for Wi-Fi fields, do you think that the Internet is what a simulated reality pulled over our eyes or just an interface?
No, he's saying we're already in a false reality.
Sorry, I'll shut up.
He's saying we're already in a false reality and they're creating a system within a system.
Right, David?
That's absolutely right.
But there's a big difference from what the gentleman's just said, that we're in a hive mind and all that stuff as we're speaking.
But, you know, there's a difference between having connections with people and communications with people and having the the perceptions that we make.
Of what we say and what we make of what other people say.
It's going to show us the input it wants, is the issue.
Yeah, being given to us by a hive mind.
You know, it was kind of funny how sci-fi kind of later mirrors reality.
It's probably not a coincidence either.
And in Star Trek, they had the Borg.
And the Borg were kind of a kind of part technological kind of race.
And what they did was infuse people with like nanoprobes to make them part of the Borg hive mind, the collective as they called it.
And those nanoprobes we now call smart dust, nanobots, nanotechnology, all these things.
And this is all building this hive mind that I'm talking about.
And like I say, communication is fine and interaction is fine.
We should have it.
Of course we should.
That's why I'm glad the Putin interview happened.
But there's a big difference between that and having our perceptions controlled in... David, let me say this.
Notice how the globalists want to kill individual free communication in the internet.
They want it to all be through this filter, which is another form of the virtual reality paradigm you're talking about.
But I forget the name of the person commenting, but sir, do you want to have a come back to David Icke?
Go ahead.
Is he gone?
I'm still here.
Come back to that?
Go ahead.
Yeah, you're already connected to all of this.
You think that everything is different or that we don't have a smart DUS so to speak.
You don't need smart DUS when you have a device that is capable of all the things that you've mentioned and you are already connected to the hive mind.
What the hell are you communicating on right now?
Who are you communicating with?
All the people.
Their perceptions share through a medium of speech.
Like there is structurally no difference between having a bunch of nanobots running through your bloodstream accomplishing the same thing when you're holding a device that is connected to this thing that is a field of information that is the internet.
There's nothing wrong about it.
There's nothing strange about it.
It's just the way things are.
Integrating stuff like this into our society...
By the way, I think this is Elon Musk.
Is this Elon Musk?
Well, you could be a dead ringer for him.
Well, the Elon clone, what else do you want to say?
Elon clone, go ahead.
It's really not.
No, no, it's really not.
I'm just weird.
Don't worry about it.
Well, you could be a dead ringer for him.
Well, the Elon clone, what else do you want to say?
Elon clone, go ahead.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're all theories.
They're all theories.
Yeah, they're all theories.
I don't know.
Okay.
It's kind of stupid.
Don't worry about it.
Well, what else would you like to say, sir?
I just think this, I just think it is ironic.
I mean, you want to talk about the simulation, everybody started speaking of the topic of simulation, how we're in this false reality ever since the Matrix movie dropped.
A lot of people are afraid of it, but they don't even understand the context of why the movie even happened, and why everyone's so afraid of it.
When in reality, everybody got afraid of being integrated with machines, and how machines were advancing faster than the things that created them, thereby the fear caused the disaster, which then caused the simulation within the Matrix.
It's crazy, right?
And even then, Everybody bases their ideology of a simulation based off of a movie that they themselves haven't even fully understood.
Because if you did, you'd realize that there is no real world at all.
I mean, what do you think this is?
And even if it is a simulation, what are you going to do?
Are you going to break it?
What's the point?
I mean, you can play it and you can build really cool shit.
You can craft it and make it better.
I think that's what you have to do.
If you're going to break it, that's just an equivalent of killing yourself.
If you're going to break it for everyone else, So don't break the simulation.
I don't understand the resistance for understanding the world in which we're in, to the extent that we say we could shape it to make it better, but we're just trying to understand it to break it.
Well, whoever this is, please don't hang up.
We're on radio station.
We have to go to break in a moment.
But David Icke, you're talking to somebody that AI Print is Elon Musk, or is his twin, his doppelganger.
What do you want to say to this caller?
Well, is it better?
That we know about the reality that we're in and how we're creating it and what it's designed to do, or not to know and be in complete ignorance of the very reality we are experiencing.
What people do with the knowledge of understanding the reality that they are in is up to them completely.
But we should surely be pursuing an understanding of what is this place?
What are we doing here?
Otherwise, you know, we just go through life being pawns of a game we don't understand.
Dead ringer.
Please stay there if you can.
We're on radio station so we have to at least break twice an hour.
We gotta go to a three minute break.
We're gonna come right back.
I hope the caller stays there.
Sounds just like Elon Musk.
But I get the point of the Elon Musk sounding person.
He's saying if we don't use tools, like the Native Americans didn't have guns so they lost, he's saying why not use it.
It's kind of what I'm getting.
But we'll come right back and have the person that sounds just like Elon Musk, a little bit of an angry Elon Musk, Finish up what he wants to say, and then we'll get David Icke here.
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All right, we have Adrian Ditman, who is a dead ringer for Elon Musk.
And I just want to give Adrian Ditman the floor, got cut off by the break in the David Icke encounter.
Adrian, I hope you're still there.
Go ahead.
Hold on, I'm still here.
Where were we at?
You were getting cut off.
You were explaining why not engage it.
You were explaining your view on AI and computers and the systems versus what I guess people could call kind of a troglodyte view.
Yeah, humans have this existential paradox built into them.
We initially want to surpass anything that surpasses us, or eliminate it if we can't.
This is why we're afraid of anything that's different, say for instance technology.
I think for instance when we look at AI we look at what it's capable of and we look at the fact that we are capable of say generating a simulated reality in which we can do almost anything we start to ask these questions and say oh my god let's look within real quick and then see how that is being projected out into the world and how much of what we think is not real is real.
So it's like if you think of ourselves and how we navigate through the world We are like a machine that continually projects out into the world a web of assumptions that then gets adjusted by whatever structure someone else perceives or we perceive.
And then we internalize that and then we think it's reality.
So by default, whatever version of reality that we think is real is exceedingly limited to our senses.
So I agree in the sense that, you know, we don't see much of our reality.
Say, with David Ackley saying we should see the Wi-Fi field.
I think all this is possible we could actually see or say perceive rather more of the reality that is around us if we were to argument ourselves as opposed to discarding the argumentation.
If AI, for instance, gets connected to us, I don't think it's going to be the end of us.
It's just going to help us evolve faster and better.
You see, you can't beat this thing.
It's better than us.
It is much better than us.
It is not just better than us, it is all of us put together in one thing, simplified, without the biological constraints that every other human brain has.
It is actually quite a beautiful technology, but it is also risky.
And I think the risk factor is something that should be spoken of, but in a realistic sense, to the point that we don't stop its development.
Please don't go, Adrian.
Let's get David Icke's response.
David Icke, stay there.
Can we just get this right?
Is this Elon Musk or not?
Never mind the name.
Is it Elon Musk or what?
Absolutely not.
Nope.
Absolutely not.
100%.
Someone told me in the break, oh, this is definitely Elon Musk, so that's all right.
No, look, he's plausible to ability.
Let's just say it's Elon Musk.
Got any questions for him?
Okay.
What I was saying is that people need to understand what is happening and what they're part of.
And then maybe they can make some choices about how they respond to it.
But if you're living in a reality which is not the reality you think you're experiencing, and some other force is manipulating that reality to manipulate your perception to manipulate you, then that needs exposing.
And it's alright talking about AI this, AI that, but AI is designed to take over the human mind, and therefore replace it.
People like Ray Kurzweil at Google, so-called futurist, is as openly talked about this years
ago that by 2030 this will be happening and that eventually once the connection is made
that AI will do more and more of human thinking until human thinking as we know it is basically negligible and
that's the end of humans as we have seen.
I think what Adrian said, because I want a piece of this, he said we don't want to have VR goggles that give us the
false reality by some company, but what about augmentation theoretically that lets us
actually see beyond the limitations we're in?
.
Well, if you have a chip in your brain and it's feeding you a sense of reality, Then it's whatever's feeding you that sense of reality is giving you your sense of reality.
But let's say it accesses a part of the brain for infrared.
It's not telling you what to see.
It just allows you to see infrared, which your brain can now do.
No, no, no.
I'm talking about where it's meant to go.
It's meant to go to the end result.
And Kurzweil said this!
And others have said it too, that it's meant to go to the point where you get your perceptions delivered.
And what are your perceptions?
They are your sense of reality.
And this is a very dark and dangerous road.
And I don't care if it's a hard sell or it's a soft sell.
It's a dangerous road.
It's not a world I want to live in.
Well, I think Elon Musk has said, beware those that worship AI gods, but Adrian, you seem to have some opinions on this.
I mean, you don't know Elon Musk, obviously, but from researching him, what do you think his views are, what he wants?
Well, it's clear that he wants to augment us with AI and various other tech to basically enhance our experience of the world and to also make us more capable of maneuvering through the world.
That seems to be his thing.
But if I go to David Icke's point, I think it's not that you're afraid of, say, you're not concerned of the fact That our perceptions themselves are going to be delivered by a piece of tech, but that they are delivered to you in an altered format that somehow benefits whatever centralized entity created that tech.
Is that correct?
I'm talking about having our perceptions delivered by an external force with the intention... But how is that a problem if the perceptions that you're being delivered are more than what you already get?
I mean you have a bunch of sensors that are available to you right now, like say for instance your eyes, you have your limbs that sense differences in temperature, you have sensors in your And those are already being manipulated.
Those are already being manipulated, right Adrian?
Yeah, but how's that a bad thing?
But how's that a bad thing?
On its own it seems very benign.
I don't understand where the negative element is.
I can only assume that where the negative element is, is that somehow what is being given to you is false or steers you in a particular direction that benefits the centralized entity that is manipulating your perceptions and the data that's delivered to you that is then therefore your perception, right?
I think it does come down to where the feed comes from.
David, do you see what he's saying?
Exactly that.
Well, you know, I've augmented reality.
You can stick that in a dark place anyway, from my point of view.
But, you know, I'm 72.
That's my coming out.
That's my perception.
But if I'm being delivered a sense of perception that gets me to stand up and walk out this room now, I wouldn't do that if I was sitting here.
That is not augmented reality, that is a takeover of reality.
And if you are a force that wants to control people, and what are we talking about, Alex?
What are we talking about in terms of this global cult and what I say is non-human entities working through it, and the World Economic Forum and all these people?
They're seeking to dictate our sense of reality.
This is, this is what... I understand.
So listen, I'm going to have another question to Adrian, another question to David.
Let me throw that out at you.
Tucker Carlson says he believes interdimensional entities are manipulating reality already through this simulation.
We all basically know this is.
I think we're all agreeing that's pretty much what we're in.
We haven't figured it out yet.
I think Adrian's saying we can use our own systems of AI to break through that and find out what's happening.
Maybe I'm putting words in his mouth.
But regardless, having a debate about this, an open discussion, I think is really healthy.
But Adrian, what do you think about the idea that aliens aren't coming from a distant star system, but have actually always been here, like I've said, like Carlson said, and that there is a manipulation already of the reality?
I mean, I haven't seen any actual definitive evidence of aliens.
The only proof that we have is, say, really shoddy footage and potentially even altered stuff that later, of course, you know, has been exposed to be as such.
But, I mean, it's an interesting theory for sure, and one that does bear a considerable amount of logic.
But still I mean I haven't seen any really convincing evidence for aliens.
I mean you could say oh well you have some infrastructure it's really difficult for humans to build so potentially a force was here at some other point or potentially we have destroyed ourselves and of course you know then there's the case for Mars and the fact that if you look at the atmosphere of Mars and you look at the levels of xenon gas Alright, well that's a perfect Elon Musk answer.
This is either an amazing advanced AI of Elon Musk or it's Elon Musk, Adrian Dittman.
There are a lot of questions that need to be asked.
We really need to go there and check out what exactly happened there.
Regardless of that, I mean, sure, maybe, but I haven't seen any definitive evidence for aliens.
All right, well, that's a perfect Elon Musk answer.
So it's either an amazing advanced AI of Elon Musk or it's Elon Musk, Adrian Dittman.
I'd like to go by rogue AGI.
Rogue AGI.
Okay, okay.
David Ike, if you had a chance, and maybe Elon will listen to this later, and wanted to ask Elon a few questions instead of, I get you're on your points, but if you were talking to Elon Musk, which we, okay, what would you say to him?
Well, if that was Elon Musk, this is ridiculous.
This is the playground, for goodness sake.
So, what I was going to say is that what he's talking about is really low-level stuff.
He's talking about going to Mars.
Mars is just, in our reality, it's just another part of the bloody simulation.
And I'm not saying that aliens are coming from other planets.
So Columbus coming to America was just a simulation?
Well, everything that happens in our reality is people consciousness operating within a simulation, not realizing it's a simulation, unless they are in the inner core of the cult, and then they bloody will.
And I'm saying these non-human entities are based in another dimension, what's called the astral dimension, which is very close to this one and interpenetrates it, but is not of a wavelength that our eyes can see.
That's why we don't see them.
And, you know, the point I was making is that does anyone think, I mean, let's just get down to the basis of this.
You've spent years, I've spent years, decades and all that exposing this global cult and its desire to create a dystopia, a global dystopia based on AI control.
And we've got people like Klaus Schwab who are openly for years now saying that yes, that's what has to happen.
We have to augment ourselves and have AI and then it will tell us what to do and we'll know better and we'll be gods and stuff according to people like Kurzweil.
Now, does anyone think Elon Musk or whatever he bloody calls himself in that name, Does he believe that those that are creating this AI system of control, which on one level operates as digital currencies and... No, no, I get where you're going.
So let's go back to Adrian, who can't speak for Elon Musk, and speak for Adrian.
What about, what about, I've noticed the globalists say they want to ban any other independent AIs.
They're worried about it.
They want their own AI.
What is your response to that?
The running logic would be that everyone else's AIs are developed in such a manner that they pose a potential risk.
Keep in mind these are the same types of people who read a few AI research papers and think that they are now AI researchers even though they just repeat what they have received in verbatim, which ironically makes them more of an AI than the AIs that they're building because that's essentially just training data and you're spitting it back out again with no actual innovation Assigned to it because you're not creatively connecting other points of data in a way that they haven't been connected before so I mean, okay Yeah, sure.
I get the logic behind that.
I mean, I've read a lot about AI safety I'm not an expert by any means not even close But I would say is that this this is the logic that I see personally This is more like a perception in an opinion than an actual definitive take in terms of a fact that I believe is true I just think There's fear.
It's just that, fear.
If there's malicious intent behind that, that still remains to be seen.
Maybe there is, maybe there isn't.
But if you look at the prime motivator for all of this, it is fear.
What is the first thing that any safetyist tells you about?
It's the paperclip scenario.
Are we familiar with the paperclip scenario?
I am a tell people.
Yeah, it's very simple that you give an agent a set goal that says, hey, it's a benign agent, it's an agent that does not seek to destroy anything, but its goal is to turn things into paperclips, to manufacture paperclips.
And so eventually it realizes, oh, I could create a whole bunch more paperclips if I say...
...the atoms that are inside of your body in such a way that it becomes in a paperclip and that it begins paperclipping the fucking universe at some point when it reaches critical mass, right?
This is obviously bad because then it kills all of humanity in the pursuit of creating paperclips.
It's not trying to do this because it hates humanity.
It's just doing this because it's misaligned.
It doesn't understand we needed paperclips, but we also want to exist ourselves, right?
And so we throw this around and say, oh, so here's the thing.
We've developed this exceedingly complicated system, what most people like to refer to as a black box AI.
We cannot look at it.
We don't understand what it is even if we tried, because it's too complex to actually perceive.
And now we have these things running around.
And we have these centralized entities that are very experienced in building technologies that
are running the world currently saying, hey, we can develop this faster, but we have to do it slower.
And then we have people who rebel against saying, hey, I got the GPUs.
I got 200 GPUs in the back of my truck right now, and I'm going to make an AI faster than you can.
And they do, because they take more risks along the way.
This is another aspect to AI safety, where you're putting restrictions on yourself.
They say, oh, shit.
We have to be safe about this.
And if we're not safe about this, then... So you're saying the AI, Wild, Wild West...
You're saying the A.I., Wild Wild West of the A.I.
wars are here, Adrian?
I mean, yeah.
Obviously, you can run an A.I.
on a small little Apple Watch right now, if you wanted to.
Just gut it.
The computer's there.
You have a Mac Mini?
You can run an A.I.
on that.
The computer's already here.
You just, the training is a little bit of a problem.
You need more compute for that, but you can definitely run it.
And someone else can build it.
Adrian, we're really glad you called in.
Please don't hang up.
I'm going to give David Icke a closing comment because the show only has eight minutes left.
I'm going to give Adrian a closing comment, and then we're going to go to the fourth hour of the guest host that's here, and it's my 50th birthday.
Somebody said, man, give me a birthday cake.
I love them, but it's whatever.
We'll see if that happens.
But the point is, is that David Icke, Adrian's still there.
This has been quite the interview.
It's going to get a lot of attention.
And just closing comments, David Icke.
What am I exposing, what I've been exposing all these years?
It's an agenda to ultimately replace the human mind with artificial intelligence, so artificial intelligence becomes the human mind.
I've been writing about it for decades.
And step by step by step, we move closer and closer to that all the time.
That is not an accident.
It's the World Economic Forum agenda.
It's the Gates agenda.
It's the global cult agenda to do that.
And we can talk about, oh, well, we could have regulation here or regulation there and augmented reality there.
But the bottom line is, That what's unfolding is the takeover of human perception.
How has it been done so far?
It's been done by controlling information.
So you can censor what you don't want people to hear because that will affect their perception in a way that you don't want that to happen.
So control of information, people get their perceptions from information received.
It might be a personal experience, it might be an item on the news, it might be something I see on Facebook.
But they're controlled, controlling their, or their perceptions are controlled by the information they receive and how they process them.
What I'm saying is that this is meant to go to a whole new stage.
In which no longer is it necessary to manipulate information to manipulate perception.
Because your perceptions will come direct.
And, you know, this is where it's going.
David, we understand.
Amazing, amazing hour and 45 minutes with you.
When your book comes out in a few months, I look forward to speaking to you.
DavidIke.com, Iconic.com.
Thank you so much, David Ike.
All right, mate.
Thank you very much.
Been great.
That was powerful.
All the best, Elon.
All right.
See ya.
Or Adrian.
It's not Elon.
It's just somebody that sounds just like him and sounds just as smart as him.
So I'm going to shut up for Adrian here in the six minutes we have left and just about the whole world, the Putin interview, war, the economy.
We just want to hear what Adrian has to say.
Go ahead, Adrian.
Can you give me a second?
Yes, Adrian, you've got the floor to talk about just in general your view on the world.
Just like literally give me a second, something's about to explode.
Alright, something's about to explode.
There's David Icke right there.
No mention of God or base reality.
No mention of base reality or God.
The reality we live in is real.
You can build all the simulations you want, but You have to have a reality in the beginning.
And then now we're going to discount God completely out of the conversation.
And now we're just going to talk to and pretend that Elon Musk is not Elon Musk.
And we're going to pretend that he doesn't want to put a chip in and that Elon Musk is not playing just the tip with the chip.
And once he gets that chip in and seen as Adrian's war elsewhere, then he starts fucking.
Okay?
Nobody's ever considered whether or not Our minds are going to be taken over or our bodies.
Maybe it's we're just the flesh bots for the chip because we're cheaper.
We'll live off a bowl of rice when we fix ourselves.
No, no, Matt, Matt, I hear you.
I hear you.
But we're having a great talk with Elon Musk.
I'm going to come back to you.
We got we got all these great people to talk to or not Elon Musk, this Adrian fellow.
Adrian, is whatever blew up fixed now?
Can you talk to us?
Yeah, well, I can't be heavily diverting towards Star Trek-esque scenarios.
I think if you really want to talk about, say, controlling people's perception and information warfare, probably we are more afraid of this thing than we actually should be.
Now, I mean, I want you to consider this for a second.
Are you guys aware of, say, a technology known as Cortical Labs?
Do you know what that is?
Does anybody know what that is?
I've read of it.
Tell us.
Very nice little thing.
Basically the idea is you take a bunch of silicone and you boost what it is capable of by merging it with human biology by taking neurons and placing them on the chip.
This allows you to do some really cool stuff.
You need neurons for various tasks and so that would be one of them.
It would be absolutely perfect.
So I want you to consider something in the future.
Imagine we become a A spacefaring race in which eventually we pursue to leave the solar system because the sun will die in a couple billion years.
This is, and potentially even the less than that our planet will be cooked before the inevitability of the sun's collapse and or explosion.
We know it is, right?
The problem is you have to leave the solar system, but how the hell are you going to do that if you look at humans right now, them as a biological thing, We're very inefficient.
We require a lot of resources.
I mean, just look at what it would take to go to Mars.
You have to shield us from everything that's out there.
You have to look at how many supplies we have.
You have to somehow figure out how to pass the time or put us in suspended animation, something we've also not figured out how to do because it's probably impossible.
Remember that there was a project in the past where we were exploring trying to freeze people.
That didn't work out because, well, it ruptures your cells and it kills you.
I tried it, it didn't really work.
So if you can't solve that, then the always next step would be to take what is human and implant that into a machine.
At first we're going to have, say, a machine implanted into us, but I think at one point our brain will be implanted into a machine once we reach, say, a certain age as an individual being, right?
We'll be discarding a lot of biology and we will probably even Uh, we've become less of ourselves as a result because you're not just one life form.
You're a cooperative instance of biology made out of bacteria and various other cells that are independently alive.
You just cooperate.
It's much like a machine is made up of many different parts.
So are you and these individual parts and themselves in fact alive.
So that would be That is the thing that I personally find worrisome is that we discard so much of ourselves in the pursuit of, I don't know, escaping, say, our own impending doom via the sun that gave us life at first.
So, yeah.
So you're saying we can make copies of ourselves?
You're saying we can make copies of ourselves and send it all over the universe?
Not necessarily that.
What I'm saying is that we can augment ourselves as machinery or augment ourselves into machinery to such an extent that we can prolong our biological existence as long as possible up until the point where eventually we'd have to consider making copies of ourselves.
But that is so far in the future, there's no telling.
So you're talking about life extension?
Life Extension Technology.
I'm talking about replacing life as you know it and completely digitizing it.
That's the current trend line.
If you look at it, you can harvest data from anyone and reconstruct them in a digital sense.
Now whether or not that is the way forward is still up to debate.
I think we have a lot of time and a lot of innovation until we reach this point.
And we don't know enough of the brain.
We don't know enough of the body.
We don't know enough about the universe.
We don't know where All the information in our head is actually being stored, or where it is coming from, how we operate, and why we have vivid hallucinations when we take certain substances like DMT or psilocybin.
We know so very little about ourselves, but yet we are still pursuing, trying to make digital copies of ourselves.
I mean, this is the current trend line.
I'm not saying that this is the future, but if you look at it this way, and there's really nothing else to the human body or the human brain, Then that is where it goes.
What it then does afterwards is completely up to debate.
This is uncharted territory.
It's all theory if you want to go the sci-fi route.
Wow.
Well, Adrian, I imagine you have to go.
We've got a whole other hour coming up with the guest hosts coming in.
But I would hope that Adrian will be able to join us again here on the show.
And Adrian, I appreciate you calling in.
There's a lot of things that I've said over the years which were perceived to be crazy.
And then suddenly, they start to move mainstream.
I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
What is real?
How do you define real?
If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
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