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Feb. 7, 2024 - David Icke
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Waking From The Dream - David Icke
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The great David Icke, and we'll be discussing his brilliant book, The Dream.
And it's wonderful.
I think everyone needs to get a copy and get it out of the net so you actually have a physical copy of it.
But he also did a movie of it and it's on Iconics and it's brilliant.
I just watched it last night.
And he's here with us.
I just want to say, I know everyone's always saying, you know, wonderful things now, 30 years later.
But I just want you to know what an influence you were in my life, and I know if you're like me, you don't want followers, you want leaders.
You want to create people that go out and do other things, and you've been an inspiration for me.
I think everyone goes through a time in their life when they begin to awaken, a never-ending process, because you're always awakening into the infinite.
But, you know, there's a time when you are really confused, you know, when up is down and down is up and you feel like Alice who just, you know, fell down into the rabbit hole and it can be Mind boggling and even fearful.
And I reached that point back in 2015.
You know, I'd always followed spiritual teachers, but I realized that the world was much darker than I had, you know, been taught.
And so I, you know, I was reading your books and at that time you were all over YouTube, you know, for free.
It was wonderful.
Yeah, the good old days.
And I was following Ashayana Dean and Voyager 2 and just finding out how deep the rabbit hole went.
But literally, I would go to sleep at night listening to your marathons in Wimbledon, you know, those four and five hour ones, because I really believe that you have an encryption of truth.
And I believe truth is a frequency.
And, you know, you just, it just comforts people.
And it was something I could just latch on to because I felt, yes, there's truth.
And obviously it's true because, and I was, I'm in Sicily now, and I was in Italy during this pandemic.
And, you know, everyone was looking at me because I used to do Esoteric Renaissance tours and I met people from all over the world.
And when the whole thing, you know, came down, People were looking at me saying, what's going on, Elizabeth?
What's going on?
I said, it's all bullshit.
People are dying.
They're putting up towers everywhere.
You know, I was screaming and my computer broke down.
I was screaming it every day on the iPad.
And I thought, Oh my God, am I the only one that's seeing this?
I'm going crazy.
It was, you know, it was like MKUltra trauma, mind control.
And then you started your talks in London and you were saying the exact same thing I was saying.
And I said, listen to him.
He knows what he's talking about.
And then, you know, within a few weeks, that was when you were completely cut off, taken down from YouTube.
All these ridiculous, bogus videos were put up where David Icke had been telling us why everything you said was wrong.
And then you've been banned in 27 of the European countries.
So I'm so glad, you know, to bring you on Voice America to give you a voice, even though since I've publicized you all over Facebook, my accounts, two of my accounts have been restricted.
They don't want the frequency of truth to come through.
But welcome.
And we're going to be talking about the dream.
So say hi.
Yeah, thanks.
It's kind of funny, isn't it, you know, that you have an alternative media which focuses on the politics and the financial manipulation.
You know, so do I. I have done that for 34 years and stuff.
But not only on that.
And it's funny when I'm Talking about the nature of reality and the nature of what we call human and how this world that we experience in a certain way, a way of physicality, is not like that at all, if only we would realize it.
Suddenly you're banned from everywhere and they give the different excuses and reasons all of which are bogus because they can't really ban you for the reason they're really wanting to shut you up to go beyond just the symptom level of politics and finance and what have you to actually the core and it's a
It's a strange thing for me to observe sometimes when, and I do understand it, and I do this level of it myself, but you are looking at, you know, censorship, this terrible censorship, okay, yes it is, and there's this political manipulation and it's terrible, yes it is, and we're being manipulated, yes we are.
When you get back from that, you see the big picture of it.
That kind of pales into a little bit of insignificance when you realize that our very reality is not what we think we're experiencing.
And our perceptual control, which is what it's all about, you control perception, you control people, you control behavior, you control everything.
The perceptual Manipulation, which is what censorship is all about, because we get our perceptions from information received in whatever form that is.
So manipulating what we see in terms of information is manipulating perception.
So all that is going on.
And yeah, it's terrible and it needs exposing.
But when you go to the big picture, The very perception that we have of the world we're actually living, quote, in, is being manipulated on a scale that beggars belief.
You know, we're not living in a physical world.
It seems we are, we experience it as such, but we're not.
And so a lot of the stuff is, even in the alternative media, If you can get people to focus only on the political manipulation, the financial manipulation, the information manipulation, then that's not too bad for you, because when everybody's focus is on that, it's not on the fact that our very reality
is where the real manipulation is coming from in terms of the way we perceive our existence when it's nothing like we appear to be experiencing it.
Well, you know, I love the dream and I think you explain it so well in a very grounded way.
And I I went into great detail because I really believe that, you know, I mean, it's starting to get very thin, the veil every day.
And I think that's really what ascension is, that it's coming down.
And what's happening then is underneath there is this true reality.
You call it the prime earth.
And what's happening is, you know, we're seeing certain areas, especially in the in the ley lines and the grids that are, you know, really dissolving that frequency band.
And we're starting to, those with eyes that can see, to see reality from a whole different perspective.
And, you know, in my book, The Infinite Human, I'm always pointing everyone to stop looking externally for their truth, for their answers, for everything.
And it's inside.
So I think that connection that has been severed with the true, and you talk about the Fibonacci spiral.
We had a session A few weeks ago, back in November, about the Timeline Splitting and the Fibonacci, which is really part of this fallen sacred geometry, which has been the geometric patterns that are made up of flash sequences that are created by mathematical equations that have created geometry that have caused this frequency band that has absolutely
Encapsulated our morphogenic field of the planet and, you know, thus we who are one with our Mother Earth, you know, and it's also been overlaid inside of our divine blueprint, you know, our Christic, our Christala blueprint.
And we talked a lot about the crystal, Christala spiral, which is that that leads us back in alignment with that which is organic because it's all a hologram.
But there's an organic true divine blueprint hologram, but we've had this this Fibonacci this this fallen architecture that's changed our physical reality even to the fact that the shells are you know moving in that with that direction and And it's fallen architecture that's pulling us down into fallen phantom realities to continue to be fed upon.
And the simulation that we're in right now, you know, a lot of people say, well, it's a simulation.
And I've had people say, what's the difference?
It's all a hologram.
Well, one is a holographic AI, artificial, not divinely created, that is created to create, to harvest Loosh.
I thought you explained that very well in your book.
and to create pain and suffering.
And then the other one is, follows the law of one where everyone plays fair, where free will is respected,
where everyone plays fair with each other.
So do you wanna, I thought you explained that very well in your book, do you wanna expand on that?
Well, the thing is that I've always worked on the premise of Socrates in ancient Greece who is quoted as saying,
was the effect of wisdom is knowing how little we know.
That's my motto.
The more I learn, the more I realize I know nothing.
Yeah.
To know is to know nothing.
To know you know nothing.
And that's very important because If you look at religions, they are coming from a premise that they know everything, in effect.
You can get what you need to know between the covers of a single book or whatever.
And you've got science, which is another religion, which has a story, which it's constantly trying to protect from all borders.
The fact is that when you see the staggeringly narrow band of frequency that we're actually living, quote, in, and the extraordinary narrow band of frequency that we can actually see, you take the projected uh size of the universe as uh mainstream science projects it for what that's worth then the electromagnetic spectrum which is basically our reality
is 0.005% of what exists in energy in all its forms in the universe.
And visible light, which is the only frequency band that we can see, is a smear, it is a smear, of the 0.005%.
So from that perspective alone, and that actual fact should be taught to children at the earliest age that they can grasp.
So they don't go around thinking, which is one of the great ways that we are deluded, To believing that when you look through your eyes, you're seeing everything in the space you're looking at.
You're not.
You're seeing a narrow band of frequency.
And infinity exists within the space that you're in.
But you can only see a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of it.
So from that perspective alone, it is rather sensible to realize that Whatever we think we know, there's always more to know, like massively more to know.
And so that is the driving force that has been driving me since 1990 when I had this massive awakening.
And that means that you're constantly seeking out the cutting edge.
You're constantly seeking out the next stage because you know that whatever stage you're at and whatever you think you know, there's always more to know.
And that's what's been pushing me this last, what, 34 years now.
So I started off looking at, in the early 90s, how a few people were controlling the reality that we see.
through a network of secret societies, what I call the global cult.
Then from about 96, a heck of a lot of information and more and
more after that came into my life to say that there is a non-human force manipulating human society
via this secret society cult.
That's why it's one reason why they're secret societies.
And they're very compartmentalized.
So only the inner core really knows the full story.
But the big next stage for me was just after the turn of the millennium when I had this overwhelming feeling That this is a simulation, the equivalent of a very vastly advanced equivalent of a virtual reality computer game.
And what came to me in that moment was it's a simulation and the limit of the simulation, at this level anyway, is the speed of light.
And the speed of light appears to be the fastest speed only because it's the limit of the simulation at the level we're operating at.
And I looked around to see if anyone else was talking about this.
The only guy I found in the public eye, anyway, was Nick Bostrom, a professor at Oxford University, who was postulating that this could be a simulation.
and the way he saw it was not how I saw it, but at least we were at the theme in sync.
And then as the years have gone on, particularly from about maybe 2017 onwards, more and more,
I say mainstream scientists, but open-minded mainstream scientists, have started to realize
that if you look at the evidence, if you look at the fabric of our reality, that in
It is highly, highly likely, they say, that we are in a form of simulation.
And as one of them said, a guy called Rich Terrell at NASA, if we're in a simulation, and he said he felt that it was a holographic simulation, exactly what I said at the turn of millennium or just after, Then obviously it's not a natural phenomenon and it's been created by some form of intelligence which locks into this non-human force I've been talking about since 1996.
And so you keep moving along and you're adding more and more information and you're searching for the next stage all the time.
And, you know, when I wrote the previous book to The Dream, The Trap, I'm writing a trilogy.
I'm just writing the third one now.
The reality trilogy, you might call it.
Um, it was a journey I've been on for quite a long time, but I really focused myself on in the trap and the dream.
And now this new one, um, on this whole area of the simulation and the reincarnation cycle that is designed to keep us in the simulation.
And so, um, The evidence starts to fall into place, like the kaleidoscope keeps moving, and it's obvious that this is not a natural reality, in the sense that, and one of the great things is that, I'd say it's the great thing, it's not in the way it plays out, but from someone who's trying to explain it, what they're saying, the great thing is that modern technology
AI, computerization, etc., the cloud, the electromagnetic cloud that they're adding to all the time, they are mimicking the very reality that we are experiencing.
And so it makes it easier to kind of explain what you're trying to say because you've suddenly got the tools now to do that, which, you know, in Much earlier times you had the shamans and what have you and the people in the tribes and the native cultures who were kind of getting this whole, the way that reality is.
But of course they could only explain it, what they were seeing, what they were feeling in ways that were symbolic at that time.
And so what happens is, you know, your anthropologists and your historians go along and they look at these ancient cultures and they think these shamans were primitive because of, oh, they believe this and they believe that.
And you go, no, they're talking symbolically, using symbols of that time and that era and that culture.
What they're describing is actually the simulation. So for instance in 1945 in a
place called Nag Hammadi about 75-80 miles north of Luxor in Egypt an amazing find was
discovered in an earthen jar in 1945 and it was writings, extensive writings of a belief system known as Gnostic
and it's estimated that those texts were put in that jar maybe around 400 AD and it
describes what the Gnostics of that period and Egypt believed and a lot of their knowledge went back
to ancient Greece.
And they described that this reality was what they called a bad copy, a bad copy in effect to prime reality.
So if you think of a reality that's kind of, we'll call it natural.
And it's it's it's it's evolved as as as a as something that has been created in a natural way.
And then you have a force that which is which is to capture consciousness and enslave consciousness in a fake reality.
And to do that they create, this is what the Gnostics were talking about when they were talking about the bad copy, they create a frequency digital copy of that prime reality and it's exactly the same principle as laying a Wi-Fi field You know, we've got a field of consciousness, shall we say, around us, but there's also a Wi-Fi field, and the Wi-Fi field contains a completely different reality we call the Internet.
So, if there was Wi-Fi in this room, the entire Internet worldwide exists in this room, in the form of radiation, in the form of a frequency field, a wave field.
I always would say don't surf the net, like we're in a net, like little fishes, you know, surf with your organic ship, the infinite.
We're multi-dimensional beings, you know, we can surf the infinite.
I think you called it cosmic Wi-Fi in your book, right?
Yeah, cosmic Wi-Fi.
I like that.
So the way we are interacting with this simulation is precisely the way that Computers interact with Wi-Fi.
And this simulation is not a construct in terms of a physical construct.
It is a field of information exactly like Wi-Fi.
And so what happens with a computer is you have a Wi-Fi field, which you can't see.
It's outside of the frequency band of a human sight.
And you've got the internet in it.
And what you do is you connect your computer with, you know, the keyboard or whatever, to that field.
And you take part of that field, whichever part you choose, we call them websites, and you have the computer literally decode the internet from the Wi-Fi field of radiation.
into what we see on the screen.
And, you know, people say, if you said to people, what's the Internet?
They would say it's graphics and pictures and videos on the screen.
Well, yes, it is.
But only on the screen.
The Internet does not exist in that form anywhere else.
It is Wi-Fi and its electrical circuits.
So if you then take it to the way that we decode reality, what I'm saying in the dream is that our reality is a field of information and it's a manufactured, created field of information to bamboozle our perception of who we are and where we are.
It's like a prison cell reality.
And the human body is actually a decoding device.
It's decoding the field of information.
So what I've been doing since the 1990s is referring to the human body as a biological computer.
And it does exactly the job that the computer does with Wi-Fi.
So if you take, again, mainstream science, our five senses, which are what connect us to this simulation, they are picking up frequency information, wave field information.
They're all doing it in that way, the five senses.
But I mean, the ears are a classic example, because we talk about sound waves.
That's frequency.
And so the ears, for instance, pick up sound waves.
And what they do, like all the senses, including the eyes, they turn that frequency information into electrical information, which is communicated to the brain.
And the brain then decodes that into digital holographic information, which we perceive as the external world when it's actually in here.
And when you think about the computer analogy, and it's not really an analogy, they kind of mirror each other in the way they work.
I'm looking at a computer now, and where is what I'm looking at?
It's inside the computer.
What the computer is decoding, it's only showing me an image of it on the screen, but it's all going on inside the computer.
It's not here or here or here, it's inside the computer.
It's exactly the same principle.
And then you start to realize that, you know, there are these different levels that we're decoding the simulation on.
There's the frequency level, there's the electrical level, there's the digital level and the holographic level.
And then you start to play that out across what scientists have found in the fabric of our reality.
So you mentioned the Fibonacci sequence and if you look at what's called sacred geometry you have pi and golden mean and golden section and Fibonacci and you have the fractal patterns which are It's basically as above so below.
It's a holographic principle.
And they are everywhere in our reality, in the way that things grow, in the way that storms form, in the proportions of the human face.
These things are everywhere.
So the question is why?
Well, because they are computer codes.
And what we call the genetic code is a computer code.
It's decoding the simulation.
And so when we enter this reality, our consciousness enters this reality, what we enter in this vehicle is that which is decoding The reality we're experiencing.
Now we don't know that.
We experience it as if we're in a body in a physical world, but actually what it's doing is decoding that reality like the computer decodes from Wi-Fi.
So you go through your life and unless you expand your awareness into more expanded levels of consciousness, Then your entire reality is dictated by what the body computer is decoding.
So what we do when we look through our eyes and we go about everyday life is we see and appear to interact with a We're going to take just a real short break, but when we come back, I'd love to talk to you about that.
And I just want to say, recently I heard you on another interview and someone said, how do you escape the matrix?
And I loved your answer because you said you escape the matrix by not identifying with what is finite with this, with this, with these codes that you're talking about and escape into infinity, which was the last chapter in your book.
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Hello and welcome back to the Infinite Human Talks show.
I'm your host, Elizabeth Monroy, and we're with David Icke.
And he just explained brilliantly, which he also explained in his book, The Dream, which is a must read for everyone.
And he's also working on a sequel now.
But he explained how we are living in assimilation in a limited band of awareness, really disconnected and cut off from all that is, ever has been and ever shall be, the infinite.
And his last chapter in The Dream is Escape to Infinity.
So I'd like to pick up there.
About how do you, I think in the ancient times, many people said be in it but not of it or to start moving more in tune with what you call prime creation or, you know, what's truly real, the true fields, the true energetic encryptions that are connected to the infinite or the cosmic Wi-Fi outside of the simulation.
Could you speak to that?
What I was just going to finish off before the break is... Sorry.
No, it actually goes into answering your question.
What happens at what we call death is that the biological computer ceases to function.
And when it ceases to function, it ceases to decode this reality.
And so our consciousness, our attention, is released from this reality into another reality, what we call the astral reality, the one closest to this one.
Which is still compromised, right?
It's still part of the simulation.
Still compromised, yeah.
That's how the reincarnation cycle, the cycle of Wheel of Samsara, as they call it in the East, is part of this whole Simulation trap.
We experience the physical and then we go out and experience it in another way and we think that's heaven or whatever.
And then we keep coming back because we're told we have karma and we've got to work through karma and all that stuff.
I go into it in the book.
I mean, you talk about what, you know, the tunnel of light and the icons that are set there to talk us in.
And I love the brilliant comparison to the Star Trek with Jane who meets, you know, the figure of, I think, was pretending to be her father, trying to coax her back in, which means There is an escape if there, you know, you have to.
Yes, there is.
And if we come around to why I call it the dream, it is a dream, but it's not just a dream.
It's an induced dream.
When I was a journalist a long time ago, I went through a period where I would wake up in the morning and I would put the radio on a news show, see what was going on.
I mean, I might fall asleep again.
I happen quite a lot.
And, you know, I would have a dream, a very vivid dream over and over, you know, many, many, many, many times.
And what would happen is when I woke up, I would realize that the dream I've just had related to what was being said on the radio.
So it wasn't just a dream.
It was an induced dream.
And what I'm describing with this biological computer we call the body, which is decoding the equivalent of the Wi-Fi field, the simulation, into the reality we appear to be experiencing.
That's an induced dream.
It's inducing a dream.
And there's this great saying, which is based absolutely in truth, energy flows where attention goes.
The whole thing is about attention.
What we call death is only a transfer of attention from this reality, when the body ceases to decode it, to the next reality.
It's just all attention.
Now this force and this cult know that.
They know that if they can control your attention, which is what?
Controlling your perception, but it's also controlling what you're focused on.
Then they can control you.
So what they're all the time doing is trying to persuade us that this is real.
And it seems very real because that's what the computer is decoding.
But it's a dream.
It's an induced dream.
And when we leave the body, what we call death, and we move into this astral dimension where this reincarnation cycle continues, The dream continues.
It's just a different type of dream.
I've gone into... How do you wake up in the dream?
Have a lucid dream?
What would you say, you know, the best way to do it while you're in the body still?
It's interesting that you mentioned that because, you know, you must have had dreams.
I have them all the time and I saw most people out there.
Where you're in a dream, But you know it's a dream.
Yes, a lucid dream.
Yes.
Yeah.
So then you can take control.
Yes.
Now, what happens if you're in a dream that you don't know is a dream?
You are pulled into whatever's happening.
You're a victim.
It can take you over.
You can wake up in fear.
I've had a nightmare.
You have been literally living the dream.
When you have a dream where you know it's a dream, you don't have the same emotional impact.
There's not that attachment to the dream.
You become an observer of the dream.
And that's what I'm talking about when I'm saying that if you believe in this reality and you think it's real and you don't realize what it is, then it pulls you in.
Your attention connects with it and you are experiencing it as if it's real.
It's got you!
And when you leave the body and you go into this astral realm with the tunnel and the light and all that stuff, which is all part of the whole Wheel of Samsara I talk about in the book, You believe that's real as well, then that will hold you in another form of the dream, because the astral and what we call matter, together they are the simulator.
But what you've been saying too in your book now is that a lot of people think to ascend Die or they have to go somewhere if they go through a stargate
or if they be have to be beamed up by the Palladians But it's right here now inside of you that divine spark,
you know of infinite source is inside of you So you just have to let go of the barriers that make you
believe that you're not Powerful that you're not connected to this cosmic Wi-Fi
that you don't have the power Inside of yourself to wake up and do it co-create your own
reality Yeah, because we're told you see that
when with powerless And, you know, when I look at this, the astral level of this after what we call death, and I've read and listened to so many near-death experiences over the years, and you pick up the common themes and what have you.
One of the things that this reality and that other reality have is subordination to authority.
So you're in this world and you're looking to authority to tell you what to think.
You're looking at experts and teachers and academics, scientists and all that stuff.
And then you leave the body and your consciousness moves into this astral dimension.
And now you're faced with spirit guides and groups of elders and all these things that are possibly talked about by near-death experiences and religious heroes and what have you.
But do you think that this whole simulation is breaking down though?
I mean, I really feel like it's starting to glitch and the simulation is losing its power because there's so much, you know, there's like the, you know, Photonic belt and the plasma frequencies from the sun and the earth's energies.
And I think it's just dissolving this, this dome structure, this frequency band is, is glitching.
And the truth, the true prime creation is coming through also inside of our bodies.
We're reconstructing our divine, I call it the cathara grid or divine Christala, Christic blueprint, which is 12 strands of DNA.
So we're returning to our direct connection to all of creation.
And the earth is, the ley lines are being purified.
And by the way, I loved your documentary on the heart of, you know, the world in England, the tour of Averbury, right?
Yeah, that's right.
But the thing is that... Sorry not to take you off mind, but I'm a woman.
We talk about waking up.
It's a big thing, waking up and awakening.
But what happens when you're asleep and you wake up?
You cease to be in the dream that you were in.
You're now in another reality.
And if you sit people around a table and you get them all to focus on something, Absolutely focus their attention.
You can do amazing things, what we call paranormal things.
You can move things and what have you.
That attention is extremely powerful in holding a reality together.
And what we are doing, eight billion of us now it seems, is our belief in this dream is holding the dream together.
Holding the morphogenic field of that lower frequency consciousness in place.
It's our belief in it that's holding it together.
And feeding it every day by following the rules and going through the rituals.
If people start to reach this level of awareness where they see it's a dream, And they start to live it as if it's a dream.
So, you know, one of the great ways that people are pulled into the dream and their attention is pulled into them to hold the dream together, to believe in it, is the drama.
The drama is like, Oh my God, have you heard the latest?
Oh my God, the drama that goes on.
And the drama, when you get pulled in by it, It makes everything seem real, but I'm telling you from experience that if you just go, hold on, I'm just taking a step back from this, I can see what it is.
It's a dream.
It's an induced dream.
And I don't have to play the game that it wants me to play.
And what starts to happen, and it happens more and more as you move into this mode, is things that used to wind you up before and get you pulled in, they don't anymore.
And, you know, if someone said to me, how do we escape the dream?
Stop believing in it.
Stop believing in it.
So when you're going through life, if you are in a physical body, then it's going to decode the matrix.
It's going to decode the simulation.
That's its job.
But when you leave the body, You don't have to go up the tunnel to the light and you don't have to believe and kowtow to all that.
But I think even now people can actually make that shift and not believe they have to age, their bodies have to decay, they have to, you know, live in these toxic environments.
You know, I talked to Sasha, I spent last Christmas in Mexico there and I know he's creating New Earth communities and there's a lot of movement.
To be more with I feel like or being with the organic with with nature that is outside of this simulation and I even believe that right now what we see with all this technology they've always had the technology the the how the the archons have always had it but they're shoving it in our faces right now Cause they know that they can't hold us anymore in this simulation, but they're trying to, I feel like, get, you know, takeaway food with them to have us inject our consciousness into the web, the net, so that when they are evacuated, they can take, you know, the souls that are continuing to buy into this, this, this, this simulation with them.
And I feel like the org, The organic world around us is just, it's alive now.
It's spiraling towards life, not the death cult.
It's spiraling toward, you know, rejuvenation and bioregenesis.
What say you?
Yeah.
Um, the, the, the, the, the thing is that, um, in the end it comes down to self-identity.
So what the, um, The human body decoding system is doing, if we fall for it totally, is telling us we're a human.
It's giving us labels.
You're a man.
You're a woman.
You are this race, that race, this income bracket, that income bracket, this religion, that religion.
It's all labels.
And they're not who we are.
They're what we're experiencing.
But the thing is, if you can persuade people that what they're experiencing, those labels, is who they actually are, then what you're doing is you're pulling their attention, that you're focusing their consciousness in the myopia of belief that you are a human and that's who you are.
And so self-identity, if you say to people, hello, nice to meet you, who are you?
They'll give you their name, they'll give you maybe where they come from, they'll give you their job or whatever.
They'll give you the labels of a human.
And this goes back to what you said, how you escaped the matrix, stopped identifying with the finite.
And I don't like the word ego because I think it's been abused by spiritual teachers, you know, get out of your ego.
But I just see the egos identifying with a label, with a finite aspect of yourself because Yeah, if you can self-identify, this is another way out of this whole nonsense, if you can self-identify while you're in this reality and absolutely when you leave it, that you are an expression of infinite awareness.
You are an expression of all that is, has been and ever can be.
If that's your self-identity, that will be your frequency.
and your frequency will take you out of here if you have that self-identity. But what you have,
again, if you look at these two levels of the simulation, the level of matter we call human
and the astral we call the afterlife, they are both seeking to control your sense of self-identity.
When you're in this reality, your self-identity is your pressure to believe you are a human.
When you leave this reality, the pressure is to believe you are a soul on a journey to enlightenment via reincarnation.
In other words, you're in this reality of the simulation or in the astral level of the simulation.
The goal is to control your self-identity.
Well, I love what you said about reincarnation and the dream, but my take on it is because the truth is there really is no time.
You know, there's just like different flash sequences, but it's all here, but just in different layers of dimensional frequency.
But I see reincarnation more as MKUltra trauma-based mind control.
And I know you've worked with Kathy O'Brien.
I think we all are, because they're fragmented altars.
And because we live in a loose simulation, and the whole focus is to create pain and misery and anger and sorrow, And that keeps us going back to because it's like, you know, he killed me.
I got to kill him.
Or, you know, or, or you have so many, so much pain, you know, uh, trauma that has happened to you by being raped or burnt or beheaded or, you know, and, and it fragments your memories and you, and part of, of, of becoming whole or holy is to remember the trauma, feel it and release it.
And then, Bring all those alters back to yourself so you don't, you know, you don't continue the game, you know, of I'm going to, I'm going to play this last card, you know, it's like you're going to the bitter end, you know, trying to... Well, you kind of start to grasp why this has been done.
Because the question obviously is, okay, this Wi-Fi information construct to which we are attached by the body, and the astral as well, is being created by this non-human force, ultimately a state of very inverted, bewildered consciousness.
But why?
And then you realize, and I go into this in The Trap and The Dream, and I'm going into it even more deeply in this book, that these entities, this force, is feeding off low vibrational human energy.
Now, because it itself is in a low vibrational state, it's an astral phenomenon, which is why we don't see it.
Unless it enters our reality.
It's an astral phenomenon and it's a very low vibrational state.
Now, on basic laws of frequency, if you're going to absorb energy, it's got to be within the frequency band that you're operating on.
Otherwise, never the twain shall meet, like the old analog radio stations.
So, the simulation has been created To so bewilder us and you know one of the things you you kind of grasp when you there are some people who say and you know the ones I've heard I believe them I think they're genuine they say they remember their incarnation not not many do but a few do and they're very common themes in what they describe and one of the things is how bloody low
The frequency of this reality is it's it's incredibly low and incredibly dense.
And because of that, it's immensely challenging.
And what this level of the simulation particularly is about is creating situations that generate low vibrational human, particularly emotion.
So fear, if you just look at the currency above all that controls humans, it's fear.
Well, it should be creation currency.
Outside of this, our creativity is the true currency.
But yeah, it's so distorted here.
So then you've got depression, anxiety, resentment, regret, all these low vibrational emotions, which the nature of human life, by design, is generating all the time.
You know, when 9-11 happened, there were sensors all over the earth picking up changes in the electromagnetic field.
As the world, in a pretty short time period, started to see what had happened on 9-11.
And of course the pictures went out all over the world.
David, we're running out of time.
We've got three minutes.
There was a massive spike in the electromagnetic field.
That was the emotional reaction of billions of people to 9-11.
Loose twist!
That's the energy that these entities are feeding off.
And that's why the whole thing's been set up.
You know, when Morpheus in the Matrix held up a battery and said, this is a computer-generated dream world built to turn humans into one of these, a battery, that was a profound truth.
That's what's happening.
Well, there's just so little time and I want everyone to know where, because you do, you talk about all this in The Dream, which is on Iconic.com, because you, he was taken off of YouTube, but he took lemons and made lemonade and started a wonderful, this wonderful, um, iconic, uh, you know, um, channel.
Yeah, immediately after Iconic, yeah.
And all his books, I mean over what, 30 books?
The books are at DavidIke.com.
Okay, and where anything else we can get in, please promise me you'll come back, promise me you'll come back.
DavidIke.com and the film The Dream is on.
Okay, and please, I want to have you back so we can talk more because your energy is just, It's so beautiful.
It's just awakening.
It really is beautiful.
Anything else you want to say in closing?
Yeah, it's self-identity.
If you believe you're powerless, you'll live a powerless life.
Not because you're powerless, but because you believe you're powerless.
It's all about belief.
What you believe you perceive, what you perceive you experience.
And you are all that is, ever has been, and ever shall be.
Yeah, when you start to self-identify with that's what you are.
Everything changes.
First of all, your consciousness expands because as you expand your self-identity, the nature of who you are, your consciousness automatically expands further and further into the field.
Go into the myopia of I'm just little me, I've got no power, that it goes the other way and then you do become powerless because you're accessing so little of the field anyway because your myopia of self-identity, that's all it's accessing.
It's all self-identity and that's why the manipulation is focused on making us feel we are small, powerless and insignificant.
We are not.
There's a lot of things that I've said over the years, which were perceived to be crazy.
and then suddenly they start to move mainstream.
I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
What is real?
How do you define real?
If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
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