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Nov. 29, 2023 - David Icke

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David Icke Talks To Billy Watson TV

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	Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of Billy Watson TV.
	It gives me great pleasure to have a returning guest on, he needs no information, the man who has led the way in many respects of the conspiracy world in the past 34 years, the legendary Mr David Dyke.
	How are you doing?
	David, today.
	I'm good, Billy.
	That's cool.
	Thanks very much for coming on.
	It's a pleasure.
	You've been busy as usual.
	The books never stop pouring out of you since you, well, back in the day you met Betty Shane and she told you you'd write five, you know, and five times that number, I think, up to about 25 books.
	It's nearly 30 now.
	The thing is, you know, that I'll tell you what you realise if you're a proper researcher.
	And you don't come from a belief system that says I'm not going anywhere that's outside my belief system.
	You just keep seeking new information.
	It never ends.
	That's why you keep turning it out because you realize that what humans know about what there is to know is so tiny.
	It's hysterical really.
	And therefore, you know, whatever we know, there's always more to know.
	And you know that.
	So you're constantly seeking what there is more to know.
	And so it just keeps pouring out because, you know, it never ends.
	To be honest, that's the kind of inspiration that you've kind of given me over the years because of your books.
	A lot of the time, first of all, you've done the kind of meat and potatoes of the conspiracy world, Bilderberg group and all that kind of stuff.
	And then Hit Us With The Children, or the one with the reptiles, the first one, The Biggest Secret.
	Yeah.
	I was like, fuck all, you know, I was like, whoa!
	Well, you see, everything, everything readers of my books have been through, I've been through.
	Because when there's information about the reptilian, non-human manipulation of human society from the unseen, from the hidden, which is basically everything to the human visual abilities, then I'm going like, what?
	What?
	But eventually, enough information builds up and builds up and builds up that you can't deny it anymore.
	You know, this is real.
	And then you go public with it and you get all this shit.
	You know you're going to get that.
	But yeah, everything that readers go through when they read my books and go, well, what's he saying now?
	I've been through that.
	It's almost like though, at that time in particular, I was already telling people about your work and getting somewhat ridiculed, mainly because of your Wogan, you know, appearance.
	And then I mentioned starting to talk about reptiles, and then the people who are talking about that, they get the ridicule as well, you know, so it's like they're almost kind of going through it with you.
	It's hilarious.
	But you know what it is, Billy, you know, you'll have seen this.
	The thing that controls people's perception, thus their life, more than anything else, is their sense of normal.
	You know, just very quickly, you know, according to mainstream science, The electromagnetic spectrum, which is basically our reality, is 0.005% of what exists in the universe in terms of energy in its different forms.
	And visible light, which is the only frequency band we can see, is a smear, a fraction of the 0.005%.
	So we're basically blind.
	We can see virtually nothing.
	When you look through your eyes, you're not seeing everything in the space you're looking at.
	You're seeing what's in that space within the band of frequency that your sight senses can decode.
	Within that tiny band of frequency, we're told from cradle to grave what is normal and what's not normal.
	And if you look at the education system, oh my God, what passes for it.
	And then you've got the media, which is underpinning the version of normal that the education system gives us.
	And governments are in that sense of normal.
	So are scientists and academics and all this stuff.
	All other people in the population pick up this sense of normal, and they're all confirming to each other that this is normal.
	But normal is only what you normally experience and what you normally believe.
	It doesn't mean it's true, and it doesn't mean it's the only explanation for events.
	And the thing is, it's what's interesting.
	Great example of that.
	When you step off normal, because you want to see what lies beyond it, that's when the mentality of normal sort of turns on you with ridicule and abuse.
	So basically what humans are doing is accepting a sense of normal, which is programmed for them to believe, keep them under control.
	And then they act like the sheepdog to anybody that wants to explore beyond normal.
	So it's a self-perpetuating system of believing it, and then attacking anyone that doesn't believe it.
	And, you know, I can tell you, no one who reads my books will see it, beyond what we call normal, that's not only where the answers lie and the understanding lies, it's just infinite what lies beyond our sense of normal.
	When you're talking about expanding for new perceptions all the time and new realities, Which is great, that means you're never holding on to your beliefs and saying this is my belief.
	So even if you might put a book out in the future, you're saying, well, that could change because I'm going to the cutting edge all the time.
	There's one perspective I've kind of discovered recently, and I'm not saying this is true, I just, I find it quite an interesting thing to see what you think of this.
	Because in your books, you talk about astral projection and stuff.
	There's this guy, he's called Darius Wright, and he's basically teaching people, now he's been doing it for a number of years, where he goes into sleep paralysis.
	And then he has to maintain his body healthy and he has salt and stuff like that.
	And it takes him sometimes three hours to get his soul to actually leave his body.
	And then he says he can leave this construct.
	He says, basically, we're inside a construct.
	And within the construct, there's 12 different realms.
	One of them is like the heaven realm.
	But it's like outside of that construct, we are ourselves, essentially.
	And we send a part of us in here.
	But our true soul, all the knowledge is out there and we can access it through the out-of-body experience and we can go and visit the Akashic Records and you can see everything and you can see all the different constructs and this one we're in is the only construct where you have to be born into it and you lose your full awareness that you've got on the other side where you go into all the other constructs and he says this construct's had many different kind of games, templates, resets And this is the last one.
	And when you go in that space, you get the choice to leave and die, but his soul dragged him back because it's like, this game's finishing and there's like a big celebration of humanity at the end of it.
	But what this realm is, he says, it's a place to experience what we are not.
	Because everywhere else we've got a full conscious awareness, but here we're kind of shut down.
	And the game is to kind of learn what we're not and learn the game and kind of, I guess that wraps it up.
	You know, like a computer game, it has an end, a purpose.
	So the more people can achieve this consciousness and be aware that this isn't reality, again, when you talk about in your book, it's like an illusion.
	That's the kind of secret to maybe understanding this game and getting all we can from it and learning and moving on.
	Yeah, well, I would I would agree with a lot of that.
	I wouldn't agree with some of it because I do think it's a trap.
	I don't think it's something we come into.
	It's my view.
	I don't think it's something we come into to learn lessons.
	I think it's a trap.
	And the reincarnation cycle is part of that trap.
	So we keep coming back.
	But when you talk about a construct, I mean, my last two books, The Trap and the latest one, The Dream, and there's a third one coming in that trilogy.
	It is about the fact that this is a simulation.
	It's like a virtual reality computer game.
	And I started talking and writing about this just after the turn of the millennium, and there was virtually no one talking about it.
	There was a guy at Oxford University called Nick Bostrom who was talking about the fact that this could be a simulation.
	But all these years later, there's a lot of mainstream scientists now who are saying, well, actually, it does look like we're in a simulation.
	And in fact, if we were, And it works like we think it does, then so many mysteries of life that are not explainable by the official version of this world, suddenly become explainable.
	And you know, for me, what's happening is, is being absolutely mimicked by the technological unraveling of AI and computerization in the world.
	These are technologically Mimicking the way that we experience reality and what this reality at this level this construct you talk about not beyond it and the way it works.
	So if you think of.
	The simulation not as a physical construct but as a information source like a Wi-Fi field.
	And what is the Wi-Fi field?
	How does that appear on the screen in the form that we call the Internet?
	It's because the computer is decoding the Wi-Fi field or part of it onto the screen in a completely different way.
	To how it exists in the Wi-Fi field.
	It's a radiation field there.
	And the computer decodes it and it puts it on the screen in the form of me here talking now or graphics and videos and what have you.
	And if you think about that, where does that exist?
	That which we are looking at and we perceive to be the Internet, where does it exist in the form that we're looking at it?
	It exists inside the computer.
	You know, we're looking at a projection of it, but it's inside the computer that it's actually being manifested.
	And when you then take the way that we decode reality, the reality we call the world, it's the same principle.
	This is, again, mainstream science.
	The five senses which lock us into this simulation field, they are picking up frequency information, just like a Wi-Fi field.
	And the senses, whether it's the ears or sight, whatever, they turn that information, that frequency information, into electrical information, which is communicated to the brain.
	And the brain then decodes that into holographic digital information that we perceive to be an external world that's not actually external, it's in here.
	And I, you know, I'm looking into this studio now and it looks external, but I'm aware That it can't be.
	It's all going on in here.
	So where is the internet when we look at a computer?
	It's not over there and over there or over there.
	It's here.
	It's inside the computer.
	And this world is inside us.
	I've been calling the human body a biological computer since the 1990s.
	And here we can understand why we can only see that narrow band of frequency called visible light.
	It's because the biological computer is programmed only to pick up and perceive visually that
	band of frequency.
	And if you wanted to control people and you wanted to entrap them in a completely illusory
	state of reality, then the more you can squeeze their visual band of frequency that they can
	see, the better it is for you.
	You don't want them seeing further and further into the field because then they'll start seeing things you don't want them to see because they'll realize then that this world is not like they think it is.
	And, you know, it's a...
	It's a revelation, and it continues to unfold, of just how, to what extent, we are apparently experiencing a reality that's nothing like we think it is.
	I mean, I know you've taken Ayahuasca, and you've had that experience, I believe, one time on the beach, had a wee walk with magic mushrooms.
	But these kind of substances, well, you know, because you talk about the body being, is it organic?
	Is it a natural world?
	We're here on this earth and we've got these different plants growing in different parts of the world which seem to give access to other realities and we've got shamans who are well-trained original healers to heal people with these things.
	Why are these substances there and what role do they play?
	Do they help in us having that opportunity to lose the ego in this firm reality?
	What are your thoughts on that?
	It depends.
	You know, I have observed psychoactive effects in people, and I do think that they take you to where you already are.
	So, some people who may have a lot of crap in the subconscious, particularly, that they've not dealt with, they'll have what they call a bad trip, because they'll start entering that, and they'll basically be experiencing themselves, but a very unpleasant part of themselves.
	And other people have a great trip when they go out on these things.
	I've only taken Ayahuasca once, well actually twice, but over in the same week in the Brazilian rainforest.
	What I suggest these things do, you've got the biological computer which is programmed to decode reality in a particular way.
	And it's the way that we experience it and you've got that band of visual frequency which you cannot breach unless you have psychic gifts, you cannot breach it.
	What happens when you take these psychoactive drugs is it starts to muddy those waters and it allows you to start to experience your consciousness, the true self.
	to experience other levels of reality that this body computer would normally deny you.
	Because, imagine this, because, you know, the analogies with the technological world that's unfolding and the reality we're experiencing are now obvious if you look at it.
	So if you go on the Internet and you look at some of these compilations of people who have simply put on a virtual reality headset.
	Some have the gloves so that the touch sensors are affected and the ears as well with the audio.
	But just the headset is enough.
	And they're in an empty room maybe.
	They're certainly in a place they're familiar with.
	And they put the headset on.
	And it completely overrides their sense of reality.
	Now they're screaming, they're jumping, they're falling off their chair, and all they've done is put a headset on.
	And what are these virtual reality games doing?
	They're overriding the senses, the senses through which we normally would decode this reality.
	You have this overriding of the senses so now you're in an empty room and that would be your normal in that room that your normal reality would be the room but the headset is giving you another reality and it's overridden this reality so therefore you start pulled in by the headset reality and you know what you can do Of course, with the headset, is if it gets too horrible and you don't want it anymore, you can do that.
	You take the headset off, and immediately you're going, phew!
	You know, it's just a game.
	But if this body computer is decoding the information field that is actually the simulation, and it's doing it from cradle to grave, then you can only take the headset off, this one,
	when you leave the body, what we call death or near death, when people have these near-death experiences
	and they experience a completely different reality.
	So, you know, you're in the womb and your body computer is developing
	and then you come out of the womb and everyone's got headsets on symbolically,
	because they're all in human bodies.
	Your parents have got headsets on, your siblings, the kids at school, the teachers, the professors, the academics, the scientists, the newsreaders, everyone's got a headset on.
	And they're being fed the same sense of reality.
	And like I said earlier, the normal, they're all confirming to each other that normal is normal and this is how things are, but actually they're just being fed information.
	It's like everyone in the world having a headset on playing the same game.
	That's what it's like.
	And so when you reach a point where you start to question this, and more and more people are, I mean, the wake up now is phenomenal compared to what didn't exist before when I started out.
	And they're starting to expand their awareness, so they're breaching the walls of this simulation.
	And they're going out and tapping into awareness, insight, knowledge that exists in the field, the infinite field, beyond this simulation, which is very small, really, by comparison, very, very small.
	And once you start tapping into that, You are able to see things that you couldn't see before.
	If you are only interacting with the simulation field, then you're in the world and you're of the world.
	Everything that you are receiving to form your perceptions is coming from the world of the simulation.
	So the simulation has you.
	The matrix has you, as the phrase goes.
	But once you start expanding your awareness and you tap into levels of consciousness that are beyond the simulation, then suddenly you see things you couldn't see before.
	The number of people that have said to me, May, why couldn't I see it before?
	It's so obvious.
	Before they were in the world and of the world.
	Now they're not.
	And therefore they see the world in a very different terms.
	And this is what we call awakening.
	It's awakening from the program.
	You think people have their own time to make up?
	For instance, I've got this job as a postman, right?
	So I was delivering a mail yesterday and this woman's, oh, you can't come near me, you know, I've got COVID, you know, and I'm in my back garden and oh, give me the parcel.
	So I tried as calmly as possible, you know, because you know, people don't like this information.
	So I'm trying to tell her, you know, there's nothing to be scared of, you know, there's this website and you can check out this, you know, virology is fraudulent and But as soon as you start talking about this, it's almost like just the eyes glaze over.
	They're not taking information in and you'd be as well talking to the door.
	So it's like almost, it's not that person's time yet.
	It's like, do people have a certain role to play to a certain stage of the game?
	Is this whole thing kind of scripted and managed or is it just?
	Well, it's scripted and managed if you are prepared to be an actor.
	But if you are not prepared to be an actor and you are insistent on being your true self, your true unique self, Then you will override the game.
	I mentioned before, when you override the game and you start seeing the game for what it is, Then those who are still caught in the game, which is still the vast majority, unfortunately, they will ridicule and abuse you.
	Because they literally, literally, literally, this is the word, they can't compute what you're saying.
	That's what their eyes glaze over.
	Because, you know, you've got the program, you need to understand it, because the program's incessant.
	You come out of the womb and immediately the program started.
	Your parents who've been through the same programming and bought it, They are passing that programming on to you, not because they're bad people necessarily, mostly not, but because they take the program and believe the best thing they can do for you is to pass on what they believe.
	You go to school and that's when it all starts, the real state programming of perception, because that's what education is, it's a perception program.
	And you've got the media who are constantly confirming that the perception program is real.
	And so it goes on, and all the people around you, most of them anyway, who've been through the same program you've been through, going through and have bought it, they're confirming to you the program's real.
	So everyone's confirming to everyone else that the illusion is not an illusion.
	And the few people that actually suss it's an illusion, they're the ones that get the ridicule and the abuse.
	But, you know, what part of the program is to condition the population to see authority as somehow more knowledgeable than them, and to see authority as some kind of benevolent entity.
	Well, neither is true.
	You know, I explain in the books in great detail how authority is actually ultimately controlled by a tiny few people, and I mean all over the world, and how it's done.
	And therefore, people in authority are not doing what's best for humanity.
	They're doing what's best, well, basically for their career, but they're doing what they're told to do.
	And this hierarchy of human society is a hierarchy of the higher level telling the next level what to do.
	They acquiesce to that and pass and impose it on the next level.
	It's just a hierarchy of imposition and acquiescence.
	And so authority is imposing things upon you, not for the benefit of you, but because that's
	what it's told to do.
	And if you fall for the trap that authority is all-knowing, then when a so-called expert
	– I mean you've seen this, the BBC, oh the BBC, we've got an expert, you bring
	Well, who says he's a bloody expert?
	How do you become an expert in science, in medicine, in any of these things?
	We saw this during COVID.
	You toe the bloody line.
	What you do is you absorb what you're told to believe at medical school and science school and academic school, whatever it is, And if you stay within the tramlines, what I call the postage stamp consensus, that you're told to believe and you then teach others what you're told to believe and you stay within it,
	Then your career will probably blossom and you'll be fine.
	But you start questioning, again, these norms you're told to believe in through academia and medicine or whatever, and suddenly your career is over.
	And look at what happened when staggeringly few, depressingly few medical people and scientists came out during COVID and said, you're being lied to.
	They were out of a job or they were marginalized or they were demonized.
	And it's so important that people realize that just because someone's got a bloody title or letters after their name, it doesn't mean they aren't talking a load of old bollocks, which during COVID we saw they were.
	I mean, some of us were saying it at the time, but with retrospect, look at it.
	But why did so many people buy it?
	And why are so many people still frightened of COVID?
	I mean, we could talk about what COVID is.
	I say it doesn't exist, actually.
	Well, all flus and colds are just detoxification.
	You know, all vaccines are poison from the beginning of time.
	These new ones are special.
	But, you know, this one's a bit special because it's a synthetic genetic material.
	It's not even a vaccine by previous criteria.
	The key thing is to keep the population in fear.
	So that lady, when you were passing her letters on, is in fear of COVID.
	And it was the fear of this deadly virus, we were told, to fear, that made people meekly go under house arrest.
	And then along comes this psychopathic big pharma cartel in the form of Pfizer, Moderna and all the rest, And says, Oh, this is will save you from COVID.
	So people roll their sleeve up and have this fake vaccine with all the consequences in in fatalities and young people with heart defects and and health destruction that have followed.
	And they did it because they they were manipulated to fear COVID.
	Their perception was COVID was dangerous and and therefore they will have the The jab to protect them from what they've been manipulated to fear.
	And also, for those that don't want to do that, then what they did to make that happen, they brought in the, oh, well, if you don't have it, you haven't got a job anymore.
	You know, and this is how and again, that's another form of fear.
	Oh, my God, I'm going to pay the rent, put food on the table.
	If I've got a job, I better have the jab.
	You know, this is this is the manipulation of fear is the foundation of all of it.
	And when you don't fall for that, then they lose control of you, and that's what they're terrified of.
	Well, I actually did speak out about Covid, and I did lose my job, and I ended up taking him to court, and there's a whole shit show.
	The judge didn't want to take him in.
	My case would have set a precedent, and they just backed me into a corner and said, we're going to sue you for more damages if you lose the case and all that stuff.
	And, you know, I've got a pittance, but I've kept my integrity.
	And recently I've seen a couple of managers that sacked me, you know, when I was delivering their mail.
	and even though I'm working I couldn't stop by saying no by the way there was no Covid, I was
	right and but just it's crazy how people just seem to have got on with their lives now because the
	news has changed nobody's talking about it as if Covid never happened it's like we just got played
	big time there's people still suffering the consequences and we're just carrying on as if
	the government's our bestest friend. Exactly and the people in key positions, many key positions
	that lied to us to create that catastrophe, a health catastrophe and an economic catastrophe
	are still in that job. I mean you know it's just a case of when authority tells you something
	my reaction is you're lying.
	It's not you're telling me the truth and maybe I'll see if you're lying eventually.
	My bottom line is you are lying.
	Now, if you can show me the evidence that you're not, then I'll accept that.
	But I'm going to take it as read that you're lying.
	Why?
	Because that's what authority does.
	That's what it's done throughout history.
	So if you first of all say, one, authority is telling me this, you're lying, and I want the evidence to show me you're not.
	So you're starting at that standpoint.
	And then you ask the question, well, who benefits from me believing what you're lying to me about?
	And every time, virtually every time, who benefits is those that want more control over the population.
	And that's what we saw with COVID.
	But if you come from that point of you're lying, that's the first step.
	That means that you're now open to the fact that there are other explanations for what is going on other than the official explanation.
	So I looked at COVID and First of all, if you have a deadly virus, then you don't have to do anything, because the virus, what you call a virus, there's a lot to know about what's a virus as well, the virus will do its thing.
	It will make people ill, and it will kill people.
	Bring out your dead and all that stuff?
	You don't have to do anything!
	You've got a deadly virus!
	But then I started investigating in the early part of 2020 this test that they were using, the PCR test, that was telling you if people had COVID or not.
	Actually, it wasn't.
	That's one of the big, biggest elements of the scam.
	And I came across the creator.
	of the PCR test, an American biochemist called Kerry Mullis, who died very kind of conveniently, if you
	like, just before the COVID card was played. And what he was
	doing in the the clips and the books, I've got his book at home,
	that he was talking about, was he was saying that His PCR test cannot tell you if you're sick.
	That's not why it was created.
	He got the Nobel Prize for creating it and developing it, but it wasn't to tell if you were sick, it was for other reasons.
	It just magnifies genetic material and it makes it dirty.
	Exactly, exactly.
	So, and what happened, and I wrote this in my books a long time ago, There's a book you recommended called The Medical Mafia and I was thankful for that book because when it came time to vaccinate my son I knew there was something dodgy about HIV and vaccines and I researched it and I was like, well I'm not vaccinating.
	is to say, OK, authority is telling me this, so I'm going to take it as read that they're lying, unless they convince me otherwise with evidence.
	And so there's got to be another explanation other than the one they're telling me.
	So what is it?
	You go off and research it.
	And then you realise not only are they lying, but you know why they're lying now.
	Paul, we all want to know.
	What Gary Mullis was pointing out with HIV, and others did too, and got their careers destroyed as a result, is that there was no HIV.
	It was invented.
	And what they were doing, and this is where Kerry Mullis got involved, is they were using the PCR test to decide if you had HIV or not.
	And he was saying, you can't use it for that.
	That's not what it's for.
	And so when they came out with the PCR test to give them that, quote, cases of COVID, of course, my antenna is immediately, you know, and what's going on here?
	The media, just the way they were building it up, it's like, this is a card they're playing here, this is bullshit coming our way.
	Yeah, what they got then were the cases of COVID from the PCR test.
	Not because people had this virus, but the PCR test tested positive, not for the virus, but for something else.
	And then, immediately, COVID struck.
	All over the world, Flu disappeared!
	So what are the symptoms of COVID?
	Well, at the start they said they were flu-like symptoms.
	Yeah, so what do you get if you've got flu?
	Oh, flu-like symptoms.
	So what they were doing was a massive re-diagnosis of flu as COVID.
	And that's why flu disappeared.
	Virtually everywhere it disappeared.
	Well, COVID got up with the same the same symptoms. But if you notice, Billy, what they did
	as the time moved on, is there were more and more and more and more symptoms of COVID. They got
	bigger and bigger. And what that allowed was more and more re-diagnosis of other things as COVID. Oh
	yeah, oh yeah, that's COVID. And so they then had to have the deaths to terrify people.
	So they then, for the first time in medical history, They said, if you test positive with a test not testing for the virus and die of any other cause within 28 days, COVID-19 goes on your death certificate.
	And that's where they got all the deaths from.
	There was a coroner in America who went public and said that a fifth of her COVID deaths had gunshot wounds.
	We've been shut!
	Covid went on their death certificate, either as the cause or as a contributor.
	So hospitals are all getting a kickback as well for the amount of Covid deaths they've got as well, you know what I mean?
	Well, this is the other thing, mate.
	You know, if you've got a virus and it's deadly, you first of all don't have to scan the cases because you're going to have them anyway.
	You don't have to scam the desk because you're going to have them anyway.
	And you don't have to scam the diagnosis because they're going to diagnose it anyway.
	But to scam the diagnosis, you're absolutely right.
	In America, for instance, they were paying hospitals through the Medicare system $4,600
	if they diagnosed regular pneumonia, $13,000 if they diagnosed the same symptoms, COVID-caused
	pneumonia, and $39,000 for every patient they put on a ventilator, which would almost certainly
	If you look at the statistics of ventilators, you go on one of them, there's a very high likelihood you're not going to make it.
	Donald Trump recommended.
	Yeah, so, you know, and the other thing was that we were told, I mean, the lies were unbelievable and these people are still at large.
	I'm still driving around, there's like flu vaccinations, the best way to save you from it, like, fuck off!
	I know.
	But what they told us, we all remember, is, oh my God, you've got to go.
	You've got to go under house arrest.
	You can only go out for an hour a day because the hospitals are overwhelmed.
	They were sodding empty.
	Yeah.
	You know, I was talking to medical staff who were coming up to me because of what I was putting out.
	They were coming up to me and going, hey, I just want to say you're right, mate.
	The hospital's empty.
	Never seen it so empty.
	There's nothing going on.
	But we were told that they were overflowing all over the world.
	I remember there was a video that I put up out of Germany at the time where this guy's gone into a hospital with a camera.
	It's empty.
	There's no one there.
	But the media reporting that it's overwhelmed with COVID cases.
	So the whole thing was a scam.
	And, you know, this couldn't happen without the mainstream media.
	Everyone who calls themselves a journalist that reported that without question,
	not being a journalist, in other words, is responsible for all the deaths and the mayhem and the
	health destruction that's gone on.
	Because if you had told the frickin' truth, then so many people would not have had the fake vaccine and would not have fallen for the COVID hoax.
	And we wouldn't have had the world transformed as we did.
	And, you know, what they do, is that they'll have a period like COVID where they'll
	change society dramatically in that period as we saw. More like Taino. Yeah, exactly, I mean
	there's a reason for that as well. But when they kind of say, okay it's over, they don't go back
	to where they were, they go back here.
	So now they've made ground, they've changed society as a result of it.
	The next time they'll take it a bit more.
	The president and the government can now set a lockdown, and China and dictatorship and undermining stuff, they could do that, but the West had this democracy thing.
	Now the government's telling you, you stay indoors or we're going to arrest you, which is Yeah, one of the things that I've been saying over the years is that if you want to know what's planned for the West tomorrow, look at China today.
	And it's my contention that the Mao revolution, which of course turned China into that massive communist dictatorship, was a revolution orchestrated by this global cult that I talk about that's actually behind all this stuff.
	And the idea was that you create a closed society, which China was for enormous amounts of time after the war.
	And within that closed society, where there is no democracy, what the government says happens, you incubate and develop a system of mass human control, not least based on AI.
	Which once it's perfected, you play out across the world.
	And so in the West, as you rightly say, up to Covid, not since, there's been this lip service to freedom.
	Oh, yes, we're a free, we're the free world already.
	And so they were able to move much slower towards this dystopia before COVID than China was.
	China just went, this is what's happening, it happened.
	So they were able to develop this system of mass control, not least millions and millions of cameras in the cities that are tracking people in real time and so on.
	And then as a result of COVID, which they claim came out of China, and What happened?
	The West became and has become more and more like China and it's gone on ever since.
	Because if you look at the Chinese response to what we were told was the COVID outbreak, the draconian lockdowns, that became the blueprint for the world.
	And you had this guy Ted Ross at the World Health Organization, who's owned by Bill Gates, who is owned by the Rockefeller family, which created the World Health Organization in 1948.
	He came out right at the start and said, the Chinese response is the one the rest of the world should follow.
	And as a result of that, we had the draconian lockdowns.
	And do you notice that when they were trying to sell us the deadly virus, we had pictures of people collapsing in the street in China.
	Well, where are the people with the same virus, apparently, where were they?
	Fallen down in the street anywhere else.
	It was all a scam.
	The whole thing was a scam.
	And it was a great example of how, if you don't start out saying, authorities lying to me, that's the starting point.
	Now prove to me with evidence you're not.
	If you don't do that, then you can fall for this stuff very easily, and billions did.
	Well, the key is in the word there, isn't it?
	Authority.
	It's authors, you know.
	They're just making this shit up as they go along.
	See, this is the point.
	The number of people who are pushing the world towards this dystopia in full knowledge is tiny compared with an 8 billion population, apparently 8 billion.
	So how do you control 8 billion when there's only a few of you?
	You have to hijack the perception of their billions.
	That's how you do it.
	And if you can convince people that what you're telling them is true, and they perceive that what you're telling them is true, it's real, then you've got control of their behavior immediately because we behave as we do because we perceive as we do.
	People who saw through COVID did not behave in the same way as those that didn't.
	I mean, I never bloody locked down or any of that crap.
	I mean, it was nonsense from the start.
	I wasn't going to give my power away to a bunch of bloody liars.
	I was going to get on with my life as best I could within the fact that there was virtually no one else around.
	It was very good if you were driving around on a bloody road.
	You've got the whole nature to yourself.
	Yeah, it was great.
	I was going out all the time and walking in the countryside.
	Oh, you can only go out for an hour.
	All right, watch me.
	It was nonsense.
	The whole thing was a nonsense.
	When you've got drones tracking people in Derbyshire by Derbyshire police, when two people who are in the same house are walking out in the countryside.
	I mean, come on.
	And that's another thing.
	You know, I mentioned journalists.
	It's people in bloody uniform as well.
	You know, the police are just the foot soldiers of fascism when they act like that.
	I lost my second job at the airport when they were trying to tell me to put a mask on.
	I was like, I'm not putting a mask on.
	And then this guy said, there is COVID.
	I've seen the paperwork.
	I've seen the paperwork.
	There's COVID real.
	I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
	Oh, it's unbelievable.
	Everything's bloody COVID.
	Everything was COVID.
	Every symptom became COVID.
	Ooh, that's COVID.
	Ooh, that's COVID.
	Just to get these idiots to follow the dogs.
	They're dogs.
	The dog tags that the army use, that's how they refer to these police.
	They're just getting used to, you know, it's like we're fighting each other at that level where these guys are sitting in offices not fighting the wars and they're playing us off against each other to control each other.
	Well, that's the point.
	You know, when people say to me, what can we do?
	I said, well, get yourself a pocket calculator.
	Put 8 billion in, take away the people in full knowledge who are pushing this.
	And you'll still be left with almost the entirety of the 8 billion.
	Then take away all the people in uniforms that are enforcing the will of the tiny few.
	And you still got the overwhelming vast, vast, vast majority of the 8 billion.
	The few cannot impose their will on the many unless the many acquiesce to the few.
	It's simple as that.
	People do.
	They do it by believing authority is a benevolent force.
	It ain't, ladies and gentlemen.
	And therefore they do what authority tells them because they believe it.
	And then you've got the other group that says, I don't really believe it.
	I'm not sure they're not lying to me, but what are the consequences for me of not doing it?
	Not not obeying so they obey on the basis of their fear not not obeying and then and these two groups are are the two groups the two mentalities that are behind every tyranny in history.
	Because the few impose their will on the many, because the many acquiesce to the few through those two mentalities.
	And every tyranny in history has been overturned by the third group that says, I can see it, I can see you lying to me and I ain't acquiescing to your bloody lies and I'm not doing what you're telling me to do.
	I was so disappointed in Scotland's response to it, because throughout the years it was Braveheart, blah, blah, blah.
	And now there's Hampden Park there, they're singing Flower of Scotland with severe passion, you know, send Edward's army home and blah, blah, blah.
	It's like, fucking, it's so pathetic, you know?
	Yeah, I mean, you know, you've touched a raw nerve there.
	Because I watched wee Jimmy Cranky, the First Minister, Nicola Sturgeon, skating to an entire nation.
	And it was quite a sight to behold.
	And let's hope that people have learned the lesson that if you do what authority tells you, it ain't going to end up good for humanity if you do that, because they don't have your best interests at heart.
	And from the retrospective view now of COVID, where you realize the scale of lies was unbelievable.
	Unfortunately, people believe them.
	That we won't do this again.
	But a lot of people will.
	Well, Nicola Sturgeon, she's up to dodgy business and that's still not probably being investigated properly.
	You know, there's a lot of shit going on.
	SNP isn't for Scottish independence.
	It's another, you know, cul-de-sac.
	Time is going so fast, it's amazing talking to you, but... Yeah, what I love, by the way, Billy, is when Sturgeon said, we want an independent Scotland within the European Union.
	What?
	Independent Scotland and European Union cannot appear in the same sentence.
	If you're in the European Union, you're not in an independent country.
	I mean, my God, it's so ridiculous.
	I think we need that more and more, you know, not the big EU thing, coming back to local.
	Even if you ask for power, what can we do to change?
	What do you think about people actually going into their own councils and getting rid of these local council people who are obviously still serving the agenda because they're probably majorly clueless as well?
	And that's how we get the power back.
	Because I don't necessarily agree with the system, but the system's there.
	Is that a route for us to do something or does it, once you get in, you get corrupted by the thing, you know?
	Well, people do get corrupted, yeah.
	And I mean, I've talked about that in the books, you know, people go in sometimes with genuine intent and the system vibrates them into line.
	Actually, literally, if you go into the metaphysics of it.
	So yeah, but yeah, I mean, it's like challenging authority and refusing to cooperate with authority at every turn.
	Because government can only rule with the cooperation of the people.
	Because there's so many people and so few people in government that are dictating the rules.
	So what do we call cooperation with the government?
	Not seeing that they're lying to us and refusing to cooperate with the lies.
	And that's the whole foundation of it.
	So whether it's a local council, whether it's a national government, whatever it is, we don't cooperate with rules, regulations and laws that are designed to enslave us.
	that are designed to impoverish us.
	We don't do it.
	So to stop that unity of response that will bring the House of Cards down overnight, they have to get us to fight each other.
	We have things called religions and we have things called political beliefs and persuasions and parties and woke and anti-woke and whatever, just to continually have us at war with each other.
	So, you know, for me, this situation in Israel-Gaza has been a classic example of what happens when you pick a side.
	Instead of saying, I'm going to make my judgments on behavior, I'm going to see people and behavior, not tribes.
	Then you see that, you know, what happened to Israeli civilians was terrible and what's happening to Gaza civilians with the bombing is absolutely grotesque and you look at who's making that happen As opposed to writing every Jewish person off as an appalling bad person because of what their government's doing, or writing off every Palestinian as a terrorist because of what Hamas is doing.
	It's crazy, but what I've seen, Billy, in what we call the alternative media, or at least the mainstream level of it, which has kind of taken it over, Once the Palestine-Israel situation developed a few weeks ago, they were all running off to take sides.
	Nearly all, not all.
	And once you take a side, you are caught in the matrix, you are caught in the game.
	Because the sides are illusions.
	And I'll give you an example with the Israeli situation.
	You don't have to research very hard to find that the Israeli government created Hamas.
	They created Hamas to kind of dilute the power of the Palestinian Liberation Organization, the PLO of Yasser Arafat.
	And they funded Hamas and they made Hamas what it is.
	And so you had this situation with this current conflict where Hamas broke through the fences, the Gaza fences, the concentration camp fences actually, into Israel.
	Now, I've researched the Israeli army intelligence network to the nth degree, not least when I was Researching a book called The Trigger about 9-11.
	And they are among the most sophisticated, technologically sophisticated, best trained army and surveillance network in the world.
	And the former members of the Israeli Defense Forces have come out since the thing started.
	And they've said What happened is impossible unless it was allowed to happen.
	They talk about the fact that the sensors on the fences of Gaza fences are so sophisticated that they're set off by a cockroach or a bird.
	Yet these Hamas people were breaching the fence with tractors and what have you at multiple points, and there was no response from the army, which they absolutely would have been immediately in normal circumstances.
	And so they go out and commit those atrocities.
	And, you know, if you're an Hamas leader, what you know Is that if you do that, the response is going to be the mass bombing of Gaza.
	So you know that by doing that, you are going to have enormous numbers of the Gaza population killed, kids massively.
	But they did it anyway.
	And they breached the fences because they were allowed to breach the fences.
	And then you go, well, Hamas, they were created by the Yeah, this is how it works.
	You've got the Israeli government that does not have an allegiance to the Jewish population of Israel.
	There's an allegiance to this global cult.
	You have Hamas.
	It doesn't have an allegiance to the Gazan people, the Palestinians.
	It has an allegiance to this cult.
	And so, both are actually, ultimately, one step back in the shadows, controlled by the same force.
	And one does what is necessary, and the other one does in response to what happened.
	And you have what's going on now, in which they really would like to break out into a much wider conflict.
	And certainly, now, the Israeli government is saying that When we've subdued Gaza, we're going to take it over and we're going to run it.
	And that's exactly what they wanted all along.
	Now they've got the excuse to do it.
	Then they'll answer the questions after the war, Netanyahu, you know.
	It's unbelievable.
	Yeah, we'll answer the questions about how the fences were breached after the war.
	What he means is We're going to address it as far into the future as we can, and then we're going to have an inquiry that's set up to hide the truth.
	And everyone's going to forget about it.
	That's what they mean.
	That's how it always happens in this country, as well as everywhere else.
	I mean, you've got other players like Erdogan, because in Turkey, they've got signs on shop doorways like, no Jews allowed now, you know, and all this kind of stuff.
	And he's playing a card there, and it seems to be leading towards some kind of third world war.
	If you think Hamas, Netanyahu and the Israeli government co-owned.
	Erdogan co-owned.
	The people running Iran co-owned.
	This is how it works.
	And what they're doing is they're playing their part in orchestrating something to completely
	delude their own populations, which they have no allegiance to, their allegiance is to the
	cult, and the world in general, that something is happening and all this is going on, when
	actually it's orchestrated.
	They're playing out a script.
	And that's when the penny drops of what's actually going on, which is why taking sides.
	Well, what side are you going to take?
	Are you going to take the side of Hamas?
	I do a joke about Rangers and Celtic.
	I say I think there's as much difference between them as there is between Pepsi-Cola and Coca-Cola.
	Erdogan, Coal and the population is being played like the string section until it realises
	how this game is played and stops playing it.
	I do a joke about Rangers and Celtic, I say I think there's about as much difference between
	them as there is between Pepsi Cola and Coca Cola.
	I think they both rot your teeth.
	Yeah, that was the thing in Scotland, you know, I noticed that and not only in Scotland,
	you know, in other countries as well.
	When something happened relating to football during the COVID lockdowns, people were out in the streets!
	But being locked down by COVID, you know, fascism?
	No, no, no, we'll accept that, but we're not going to accept what's happening at Rangers, you know, or Celtic.
	It's, you know, consciousness the size of a pea really, but it's pretty sad.
	This guy here is actually a bit of a rangers man but he's working with Mark Sexton right now.
	I don't know if you know anything about this.
	He's writing a letter to Prince Charles under Article 61 and all this stuff saying, you know, please give us a break kind of thing.
	What do you think of the success of anything like that?
	Kind of pleading these guys for some kind of sanity and, you know, You know, we've got rights.
	Listen to us.
	Do you think that's got any future use?
	The only way that the human population is going to have rights is if it insists on having them and lives its life having them.
	You're not going to persuade authority to give you rights.
	And why should you ask authority for rights?
	Who the fricking hell is authority to decide what rights we have?
	Don't tell me you're going to allow me freedoms.
	I'm bloody free, mate!
	You're not going to hand me bits of what I already am.
	This idea of authority, oh, we're going to grant you rights.
	You don't have the power to grant me rights.
	My rights come from another force, not you.
	And so you can you can appeal to these people and in the appealing process, highlight the injustice.
	But they ain't going to give you anything unless you make them give it to you.
	And beyond that, that you just live your life in freedom without Asking anyone in authority to allow you to be free.
	Because they can't.
	There's too many of us and there's too few of them.
	And of course, you know, people like the British Royal Family, they're up to their neck in this.
	The idea that in 2023 we still have a head of state in Britain and the Commonwealth That's decided by who had sex with who in what order.
	It's insane.
	It's ridiculous.
	What are we doing?
	You know, but any authority, I mean, OK, why are you head of state?
	Because my mother had sex with my father and I was the result.
	Well, I'm sorry that I don't I don't buy that as a legitimate excuse or reason for you to be head of state.
	...legislation into law, what are you doing?
	It was bad enough as all, you know, I've never sung it, but English or British, you know, God Save the Queen, that was bad enough, but back in the day, we kind of had that royal thing.
	Now, nobody has respect for Charles, those sausage fingers, you know, and everybody slagged him off, but now he's king, and they're still making people sing God Save the King now, and they're almost singing it about, I mean, you can feel a sense of unease, like, this is shit, but the mass population thing, you know, peer pressure, and everybody does it when they're supposed to do it, you know?
	But does anyone actually believe it?
	I remember being at Wembley watching an England game and they played God Save the Queen, she was still alive then.
	Everybody stood up, me and my son Jamie, we just sat there.
	Because, what am I doing?
	What am I singing?
	Hold on.
	Am I singing an anthem even to my country?
	And, you know, we'll discuss whether that's legitimate.
	But, you know, it's got more validity.
	But what am I singing?
	God save our gracious Queen, long live our noble Queen, God save the Queen.
	Then I have to sing the long to rain over us.
	Look at the definition of raining over.
	It's actually being controlled.
	So you've got the England football team and the crowd.
	Demanding their Reindover!
	I mean, don't sing it!
	The man's a moron!
	Right?
	And worse, of course, he's a friend of Jimmy, he's a very close friend of Jimmy Sabo, as was his father Philip for a long time, until they fell out.
	So, let's just stop this nonsense and, you know, why don't... God save the Queen.
	I mean, it's not...
	It's not like Land of Hope and Glory or anything.
	It's a eulogy to a family who are only there because of their bloodline.
	It's pathetic, really.
	And what I've been saying for a few years now, Billy, is that, you know, this great reset, you know, if we go deeper into the nature of the simulation, that great reset is bigger than just Klaus Schwab's version of it.
	It's a structure that will have a world government, a world army, imposing the will of the world
	government, a world central bank, a world currency, digital money, that's all there'll
	be, cash gone, and that has no place for royalty as we've known it.
	Royalty has served this cult magnificently over the years, but what the plan is, is to get rid of countries.
	They want to bring that.
	That's why the borders are coming down in Europe.
	That's why the borders of the United States, actually, basically, especially the southern one, doesn't exist now.
	It's because they're bringing an end to countries.
	They want to break the world up into small little regions dictated from the center by a world government.
	In the end, wouldn't even be elected.
	Technocracy.
	So there's no part to play in this great reset of what we call royalty.
	I mean, the bloodlines that we now call royal will still be in the cold and they'll play other parts, but as outward royalty, that's coming to an end.
	And what I said over the years is when the Queen's gone and Prince Philip's gone, then the whole thing will start unraveling. It won't happen
	overnight, but the process will have started. And now you've got Prince Harry and his minder,
	Meghan Markle, firing exocet missiles across the Atlantic, constantly, the royal family, and the
	royal family is a rump. You've got Charles and Camilla, and then you've got William and Kate, and then
	a big long drop to their children in in terms of years.
	It's a rump and the process is in place of bringing royalty to an end.
	So I'm not surprised what you just said about people are going, can't be doing with it anymore.
	I've got no respect for Charles because the whole thing is being systematically unraveled.
	Yeah, so at least that's a good thing.
	It's a good thing in the sense that what are we doing with that system?
	But if you look at it, if you want to transform, say, British society, well, Commonwealth society too, but British particularly, then look at how the monarchy is absolutely written into the very fabric of British society.
	We don't have a government.
	We have His Majesty's government.
	We don't have an opposition party.
	We have His Majesty's most loyal opposition.
	That's what it's officially called.
	We have His Majesty's passport office, His Majesty's treasury and so on.
	So if you pull royalty out of British society, The whole thing collapses and has to be reset.
	Well, it's just like David Cameron's recently got in through the House of Lords and he's unelected and now he's back in the scene.
	He was part of the Bullionton Club with Boris and it's all the big gang, isn't it?
	The big boys club.
	Yeah, you watch where Starmer gets in, which is likely with the polls now.
	Starmer is like Biden.
	He's the cult agenda on steroids.
	He's a member of a key cult organization operating out of America called the Trilateral Commission, which was set up by David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski in 1973 to coordinate policy across the world that suits the cult.
	So he's a member of that.
	And you watch him seek, in the same way that Cameron's come in, We want David Cameron as Foreign Secretary.
	He's unelected.
	Oh, we'll make him a baron.
	And so overnight he becomes a baron.
	What's changed?
	Well, we've made him a baron.
	Well, is that it?
	Yeah.
	Now he can be Foreign Secretary.
	And he's a cult gopher, David Cameron.
	I mean, if he had a brain cell, he would die alone in this.
	But you watch Starmer seek to do exactly the same ruse to bring in Blair back into government.
	The war criminal.
	I mean, how he's up for a humanitarian award, that's the biggest joke going.
	That guy's a living demon, innit?
	Speaking of demons, I've had an experience recently.
	I know we're over the time, so any time you want to wrap up, let me know.
	We'll cut it soon, but I wanted to share this with you.
	Because we're talking about the sacred medicine and stuff.
	I recently had some, basically, 5-MeO toad venom.
	I smoked this and basically after five minutes I started breathing out and I was doing this thing and I felt like there was this dark entity coming out of me and for 15 minutes I was convinced and then after I said to the woman I was like an exorcism.
	And then she says, all right, she doesn't say anything.
	A couple of days later, she says, you know, I've had this dark entity in this room.
	It's hung around here for a couple of days and it's took me everything to get rid of it.
	It was very sneaky and stuff.
	And since doing that, I felt like a weight off my shoulders or something changed.
	It was like really bizarre.
	And it was like a physical, real thing.
	When people talk about these demons that you can imagine, to me it was like, fucking hell, that was mental.
	Yeah.
	This is the thing you say.
	When you look at Christianity or Islam or the Gnostic view or the cultural views of ancient
	societies, they all have a common theme that there is a non-human force operating in the hidden,
	which is almost everything from that visible light perspective, manipulating human society.
	These demonic entities, as Christianity would call them, are real.
	And they do possess people in the sense that they lock in to their energetic field.
	I mean, we see the body, the five senses.
	The visual senses can only see The frequency band of what we call matter.
	Matter simply being energy that had lowered its frequency to the point where the senses could see it.
	Exactly what matter is.
	It's a form of energy, but it's in a vibrational state that that visible light band can actually pick up.
	So when I look around the room, I'm looking at forms, a camera, a wall, a mirror, a chair.
	But in between the forms, My sight senses cannot pick up the frequency of the energetic field or anything connected to that energetic field that exists between the form.
	I can only see the forms because to the five senses, especially the visual senses, everything is apart from everything else.
	That's how the world looks.
	But in this energetic field that we can't see, but we can feel it, you know, and you, you know, I mean, you've had the experience where you're in a room and Suddenly the atmosphere changes and you think, oh God, it's horrible in here.
	It's like demonic.
	Well, your other senses are picking that up.
	They're picking up the vibrations coming off the demonic entities, but you can't actually see them.
	But there are other times when they can come so close to our frequency band of visual sight that you do see them in a kind of ethereal type way.
	But if you were on the same frequency that they're on, They would look as solid as you and me, but they look ethereal to us because they're not on our frequency.
	So, if you are looking at the old analog radio television stations, say the radio stations, you can be on a station, which is basically the main station you're on, but there's another station that you're picking up as well, which is kind of interference.
	You can't hear it anything like as sharp as the main station, but it's interference.
	And so that's a kind of a radio version of the interference pattern that is the ethereal entity.
	But if you move the dial onto that radio station that is interfering, so you're on that one, it would sound as loud and clear as any of them, because you're now on its frequency.
	And it's the same with the visual world.
	If you're on the frequency of these entities, these demonic entities, they look as solid as you and me, but we're not.
	That's why they look ethereal even when we can see them.
	And so they are around us all the time and they can influence you.
	They can influence your mood.
	They can influence your behavior if you're not aware of it and don't fall for it.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't know the difference between a possession or an entity attachment or something like that, you know, there's probably different levels of it, but these reptilians or the demonic entities are pure reptilian, but then there's actual physical reptilians as well, you're saying, on an underground basis, you know?
	The reptilian thing is just a form that these demonic entities appear to take in large numbers.
	That's not the only form they take, but it is a form they take.
	On the iconic platform, we have a show called Classified.
	Yeah, I love that show.
	Richard Willett, the presenter, interviewed a guy called Darrell T. James, who was working for the US Army.
	And I've heard these stories all over the world from military people, etc.
	But this is just an example.
	Phil Schneider was another one he got fingers zapped off.
	Yeah.
	And he said that he was seconded to an RAF base in Cornwall, St Morgan, I think they call it, near Newquay Airport.
	I heard what he said about the fact that it was an RAF base, but it was run by America.
	Yeah.
	And it made absolute sense to me because I have a friend years ago who went into Menwith Hill in in Yorkshire, which is an RAF base ostensibly.
	And he said that when you get through the RAF side of it at the gate, you're in the things controlled by America.
	And he described to me years ago a color system Whereby you were given a color that related to your security clearance and you could only go through doors of that color and not through any other color.
	And red was a big no-no.
	And so when Darrell D. James was telling his story of the Cornwall base, he described exactly the same color coding system.
	for security. Anyway, he describes how in that underground base he saw a reptilian entity,
	he saw a grey entity, and he saw technology that was light years beyond anything we see
	in the public arena, which makes me kind of very suspicious of people like Elon Musk,
	who are massively connected into this whole network. When he's trying to sell us a story
	of getting to Mars by conventional means in a rocket, When I talk to military people, whistleblowers, and Darrell T. James was saying the same,
	In the iconic show, that the technology that exists to teleport people to different places, you don't need a bloody rocket.
	And, you know, I'm thinking, you know, this idea we're going to Mars in a rocket, what it's doing is holding people in a sense of that's how you do it.
	And that's the cutting edge of technology.
	It ain't.
	It's vastly beyond.
	So these things are real and they do exist in physical form within our reality, but overwhelmingly they're manipulating from the unseen.
	Yeah, certainly more here than what can be seen with the eye.
	Just before we wrap up, I wondered if there was a bit of controversy recently with a wee chat you had the other night with James Dillingpole.
	I was just wondering if you'd like to comment on it because I've just been reading some stuff online and it appears that You are not a good Christian man or something like that.
	You're not.
	You're not.
	You see, this is something I've been talking about for a while.
	What I call the true alternative media is that which is constantly pursuing more and more knowledge.
	It's constantly pushing the cutting edge of what we know.
	That's what alternative means in terms of media.
	You don't have a limit.
	The limit is the evidence that you uncover.
	And what's happened is the alternative media has been hijacked in the period after Covid by people who are here and no further people.
	I call them barricade people.
	They're focusing only on one small area of it, which is the political and financial manipulation, all that stuff.
	uh... and uh... they are pulling in big audiences and basically saying this is what
	the conspiracy is what it's not
	the conspiracy is absolutely vast that's just an expression of it
	but if you get you know if you stay there you're not going to be able to see
	the bigger picture and uh... james deling poll is a former mainstream uh...
	newspaper journalist with uh... the mail and telegraph and so on
	uh... is one of those here are no further mainstream people mainstream alternative people as i call them
	And what you're also seeing is the way that more of these Mainstream alternative people are finding religion.
	Some have already found it.
	I mean, the alternative media in the United States is absolutely dominated by people that follow Christianity.
	And good luck to them.
	None of my business what they believe.
	But the thing is that they then say that if you don't believe what they believe then you're some kind of shill or you're trying to lead people astray.
	All you're doing is saying there's parts of Christianity I agree with it and there's big parts that I don't.
	And because I'm being selective I'm not just taking the whole package just because that's what you're supposed to be to be a Christian.
	And so when I was doing this this show in Manchester, Daring Pole interviewed me.
	I wasn't going down his Christian road, and he weren't very happy about it.
	That's fair enough.
	Well, you know, he- Was he trying to get a particular response out of you?
	Was he trying to like, say, come on, do it?
	It was basically, it was a bit like a mini Wogan show in the end,
	although it didn't end up like that, of course, because I'm not the guy who's on Wogan,
	and he doesn't have the intellectual capacity to cause me any grief really to be honest because he's very
	uninformed.
	I mean, he said to me, I don't do research.
	And I'm thinking, well, what do you bring to the table then?
	But what I'm What he was doing was giving my view of how things are.
	Not saying he has to believe them, but he was basically saying that if I don't believe what he believes, then I'm leading everybody astray.
	And that's fair enough, okay?
	That's your view.
	Just shake hands and get on with it.
	But what he then did was put out on Twitter a, oh, yeah, we had a slight disagreement, but thank you, David.
	It was lovely and it's wonderful.
	At the same time, he was trashing me.
	On Telegram to what he thought was a private group and saying things like, he's the authentic one, I'm not authentic.
	And I'm thinking, hold on a minute.
	I've been doing this for 34 years.
	His sister, who seems to be a lovely lady, by the way, has been looking at my work for years and saying to him, you need to look at this guy and what he's saying.
	And it was like, David Icke?
	Reptiles?
	And then COVID hit, and he realized that what I was saying was true about the conspiracy.
	And suddenly, you know, he becomes an expert on the conspiracy.
	He's not!
	He's not!
	He's a baby in terms of understanding what's actually happened.
	And suddenly, some guy of 34 years of researching this in 60 countries is not authentic.
	But he, who until five minutes ago was laughing at the idea that was even a conspiracy, is now the authentic one.
	He's quite pathetic, really.
	And what I find, I don't know whether you find this, but, and this is not in every case, nothing like,
	but in a lot of cases, the most un-Christian people, by the definition of what the view of the world is,
	are the most un-Christian.
	I mean, so he starts launching into this, these attacks on me.
	It's a, it's a dark one, isn't it?
	If you're a Christian, we don't like what you said.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And some of the abuse that people have shown me in screenshots and stuff, and I don't go there,
	but they've shown me screenshots.
	Some of the abuse is unbelievable.
	And you get the stuff like, David, he's a shill.
	He's a Freemason, right?
	Okay, so evidence, please.
	There's a picture of you in the Masonic chair.
	There's a picture of you doing this.
	There's various pictures of you doing this.
	Let me explain the Masonic chair, okay?
	I was speaking a long, long time ago in Boston, Massachusetts.
	And they have a big Masonic, it goes back to the British Empire and when the Freemasonry came into America, big Masonic temple.
	And I was with a couple of people and I said, I want to go and have a look at it.
	So we went and we had a look and there was this mural on the side and all that stuff.
	And the door was open.
	We walked in, had a look around, and there's this big entrance hall.
	And there's nobody there.
	So we kept walking.
	And on the right-hand side was this, like, big glass cabinet full of Masonic memorabilia.
	Walt Disney's picture was in there.
	He was involved in all that.
	And we kept walking.
	Still nobody.
	So there's some stairs going up.
	So we walked up the stairs.
	Nobody.
	And we walked down this corridor on the first floor, and there were these big bloody doors, so push the doors, and we're in a Masonic Temple!
	It was hilarious!
	The only person we saw in the entire process was a bloke who said he was doing some building work for the Masons, and he didn't bother us at all.
	And so I walked in, we walk into this Masonic Temple, and it's an extraordinary, massive bloody place.
	And there's the worship of Master's Chair.
	Well, you can't not have a go, can you?
	So I went and sat in and I gave it that or whatever I did.
	People were taking pictures.
	And for about two or three years, I was using that picture in my talks around the world.
	It always got a great laugh.
	And then, of course, other things come along and you forget about it.
	And then the picture appears on the internet and it's like, Sir Freemason, well, look at what I'm wearing!
	I'm wearing a coat from the street because I've just walked in off the street, you idiot!
	There was another one, there was another one which was hilarious as well.
	There were these Freemasons right, in their bloody aprons, stupid bloody things they wear, and
	And there was one with my face, my head on, right?
	And they said, oh, see, proof he's a Mason.
	And then I looked at it and I thought, I'm six foot, right?
	So the guy next to me must be about eight foot.
	A lot of people, a lot of people think that I'm not very tall.
	I actually am six foot.
	And so they picked a bloke they think is the size of me and put my head on it.
	And next to him is this enormous bloody bloke.
	He'd have to be eight foot if I'm six, right?
	And then someone on the internet went and found the original picture.
	And of course, it wasn't me.
	It was someone else.
	They just superimposed my head.
	But that's Oya Ike-Safri Mason.
	He's a shill.
	He's just a controlled opposition.
	And so you say, OK, right.
	I'll grant you.
	Let's go down that road.
	You've got a network that does not want to be exposed.
	And when I started out, 34 years ago in 1990, it was not exposed.
	Virtually no one knew about it.
	Certainly first time I ever heard about Boulderberg Group and Council on Foreign Relations.
	And all the rest of it.
	So this is what the cult did.
	They said, what we're going to do, We don't want the public to know of our existence.
	We certainly don't want the public to know what our agenda is for them.
	So what we're going to do is we're going to get this guy Ike and we're going to send him out and tell him all about us over 34 years.
	That's the thing, you were on the Wogan Show, and he's trained Jesuit, and that's the BBC, so it's like a big platform.
	If you ridicule yourself on that, then you talk about conspiracy theories, people think, oh, now a conspiracy theorist is mental because David Icke's mental.
	So that's like a play by them to make, you know, dismiss people looking into reverse psychology.
	The point is, if I'm a controlled opposition, I ain't very good at it, am I?
	Because wherever I go, literally, People say to me, you woke me up.
	Yeah.
	You let me see this all over the bloody world.
	So I'm not very good at it because I've exposed what they don't want exposing.
	And yes, you can say, oh, yeah, well, he was ridiculed.
	Well, that ain't the case now, is it?
	That is not, you know, I've obviously got morons still doing it that follow the Dunning Poll, clearly from some of the stuff I've seen this week.
	But people are treating me with increasing respect because of what I said was going to happen and it's happened.
	So therefore, if I'm in control or opposition, I'm very, very bad at it.
	And, you know, it's pathetic.
	To see people say that you are controlled opposition, when what they are doing is trying to undermine someone who's getting the information out when they are not.
	So if anyone's controlled opposition, it's people trying to undermine people like me, who for 34 years has been putting this stuff out.
	Who benefits from me being discredited?
	The cult does.
	So who's the controlled opposition?
	Me or them?
	I think the question answers itself.
	Then they always say, why haven't you been taken out?
	I know you kind of said that they can't take you out, you know, but do you have to sign a kind of Freemasonic oath to kind of, then you break that oath, then they can take you out?
	Or why haven't you, I mean, I'm sure you've experienced hardships and getting banned from the countries and stuff like that, you know?
	Well, well, first of all, I'm banned from Well, by Christmas, it will be 29 European countries, plus Australia, plus many others that if I try to get in, I'd realize I was banned from them as well.
	Why haven't they been taken out?
	Now, I love this one.
	You know, in the old times, they used to accuse women of being witches.
	And what they did, they said, we're gonna duck you in the river.
	If you live, you're a witch, and if you die, then you weren't.
	So if they kill you, you're genuine, and if they don't kill you, because they can't, you've got to go deep into the esoteric for that, then Sorry, you were genuine, weren't you?
	Because they killed you.
	I mean, this is insane.
	And you know, one of the great problems with elements of people, quite significant elements, who think they're awake, is that they're in a bloody coma.
	They're in the same coma as the rest of the population, they're just in a slightly different one.
	And the truly awake people, and I meet them all the time, are a very different entity, a very different consciousness to those that are playing at it and following people like Delingpole, who in himself is playing at it.
	This conspiracy is far, far bigger.
	And the thing is about Christianity, and I'll say Islam, any religion, when you know that you can only see a smear of 0.005% of what exists in
	the universe, or whatever it is in the end, it's tiny.
	One thing you know beyond anything else, that whatever you know, there's always more to
	know.
	Whatever you know.
	Because whatever you can glean and uncover within that band of frequency is going to
	still be a fraction, however more expanded it is than the population in general, it's
	still going to be a fraction of what there is to know.
	So what you're doing, as Socrates in Ancient Greece is supposed to have said, wisdom is
	knowing how little we know.
	To know is to know you know nothing, because then you're always open to the fact that there's more things to know.
	So what you're doing, as I said earlier, if you're a genuine alternative researcher and you're genuinely after the truth rather than just playing at it, you're constantly seeking to know what you don't know.
	Now, if you are following a religious belief system or a political belief system, any of these belief systems, you're not going to do that.
	Because you have walls around your belief system.
	You cannot go into places of exploration That might uncover information that would put your belief system, religious belief system, under threat.
	You can't, because your belief system is something that's immovable.
	And that's what we saw with James Dillingpole, what we see with James Dillingpole.
	He has got this Christian belief system, and anything that goes beyond it, that's leading people astray to him, because he can't breach it and see that Any belief system, within the tiny band of frequency that we're aware of, is going to be a prison cell.
	Because there's always more to know.
	And what religions are telling you is, no no, no no, you've only, this is all you need to know, you don't have to know anymore.
	And that's, they're prison cells of the mind.
	And it's not like they don't have validity, at least some things in Christianity I agree with.
	We're talking about some of the things that I talk about, though he couldn't grasp that stunningly in Manchester.
	And the problem that James Daly Poll has is that it was recorded.
	And I want to know where it is.
	Why isn't the recording circulating on the Internet now?
	So we can see what actually happened and what the interchange was.
	And then people, the people that follow him blindly, that people will see that actually what he's saying is a
	load of old bloody nonsense because it wasn't like that at all.
	Yeah, I mean at the end of the day it's not, you don't have to agree with your interviewer and stuff, but the stuff
	after it is this kind of the issue I think people commented and no
	bad mouth and you've gave your time there and he's now saying after 34 years you're not genuine. It's
	a bit disingenuous, you know what I mean?
	Yeah, but I don't care if they think I'm not genuine. I don't care!
	I don't care what they think!
	What I care is that I am researched enough To be confident that what I'm saying is true and is supportable by the evidence.
	That's all I'm concerned about.
	It's all I've ever been concerned about.
	How people receive it is irrelevant to me because that's none of my business.
	If they want to ridicule it or abuse it or agree with it, that's their choice.
	It's nothing to do with me.
	We can go to the next book by that time and continue your research.
	Yeah, exactly, but what I challenge is not what people believe, that is their right.
	It's when they say what I believe, in terms of them, is what others have to believe, otherwise they're either wrong or they're leading us astray.
	It's a nonsense.
	Believe what you want to believe, but don't seek to impose it on other people, because that's when I get interested.
	Well, belief has the word lie in it, and if you're looking outside yourself all the time, you know, it's a good idea to take your information, anyone's information, and then look inward and see what you think of that information, and how it fits your reality and your day-to-day life, and what you can do with that, you know?
	Exactly.
	Anyway, David, that's been an absolute... We're still at one hour thirty-three.
	I've got so many thirty-threes coming up all the time.
	It's been really lovely, yeah.
	Much nicer than being interviewed by David Powell, I tell you!
	Well, we can do a show one night any time in the UK.
	Actually, I was supposed to come to your show the other night in Glasgow.
	I had a ticket, but it got announced in Cumbernauld, and my car is off the road now, and it was just announced on the day, and I couldn't make it, so I was a bit frustrated about that one.
	But I hope you had a good time up in Scotland.
	Yeah, it was great.
	The audience were fantastic in Glasgow.
	Really great.
	That's cool.
	So, pleasure talking to you.
	I hope we can do it again sometime.
	Yeah.
	So, meeting up with Jamie there and I met him at the Comcast event and it was really good to talk to them and meet, you know, your son is a very genuine guy and a lot of respect for what he's doing with Iconic.
	Yeah, they're really great, great, great people and I'm proud to be their dad, to be honest.
	And, you know, even they've got abuse from the Delingpole It's been really great.
	It's pathetic, it really is.
	I mean, a very young Christian, by the way.
	It's been really great, I really enjoyed it.
	That's cool, man, thanks very much.
	And yeah, well, as I say, we'll maybe do it again sometime when I bump into you somewhere down the road, but I've appreciated your work over all the years.
	And you know, you're out there doing it, you're researching, you're putting unbelievable, I mean, this book here is filled with so much information, you know, it's a lot to contemplate and take in.
	And you get so brain cells working and that's what we need, new ideas, new thoughts.
	Humanity has to grow and learn and change and, you know, stop dwelling in the past and the Vatican and the churches and all that.
	That's dead water, you know.
	new science and the cutting edge, that's where we should be living and you know,
	trying to improve ourselves and heal and you're doing a great job doing that and exposing
	those that want to keep us down, so thanks very much for the efforts.
	No, excellent Billy, thank you.
	There's a lot of things that I've said over the years, which were perceived to be crazy
	and then suddenly, they start to move mainstream.
	It's true.
	I'm a scientist.
	I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
	What is real?
	How do you define real?
	If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.

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