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Sept. 9, 2023 - David Icke
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How Do We 'Escape' The Matrix? - We Stop Believing It's Real - David Icke Dot-Connector
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There's a lot of things that I've said over the years, which were perceived to be crazy.
and then suddenly they start to move mainstream.
I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
What is real?
How do you define real?
If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
What if all you ever knew was a lie?
Now, what do we know now that we didn't know five years ago, two years ago, ten years ago,
twenty years ago, thirty years ago, thirty-four years ago?
It's fantastic what we know now that we didn't know then.
So this truth vibrations is happening and how it was explained to me was this energy is bringing to the surface all that being hidden.
In other words, the way and the manner with which we are being controlled is going to be shown to us.
And my God, it's being shown to us.
This is the thing you see.
All this censorship and the fake COVID vaccine with the self-replicating nanotechnology and all that stuff.
These are not attacks on humanity.
Hey, Inspired Tribe, my fellow freedom lovers, John Nolan here.
Thank you so much for tuning in to another Inspired Conversation.
This definitely is one of the highlights for us.
This guest of ours today definitely needs no introduction.
You all know him.
And there's an interesting thing happening with David Icke, who will join us today.
is that whenever the world is catching up with what he's been saying, David has moved on to greener pastures.
And it's no different today when we're going to talk about what is new, his new book, and the perceptions, the dimensions, and the true nature of reality.
David Icke, thank you so much for joining us again today.
Thanks, mate.
It's a real pleasure.
Always a pleasure to talk to you.
Oh, David, it's our pleasure and honor, and thank you so much for taking the time.
I know you're crazy busy, and this month, you just said off the camera, is even crazier busy.
You have a tour, you have the new book out, which we're going to talk about in depth, The Dream.
And I only put it down because we had this interview scheduled, or I would still be reading like crazy.
But I want to quickly jump on something, David, that's just human and personal.
It seems to me, it's almost ironic, the more you go out there in what you say and write and speak about, the more your physical movements seem to be restricted.
You're now banned from pretty much half of the world.
How is that for you, just from a human perspective?
You've never been charged with anything or accused of anything.
No.
I've never been charged with anything.
Well, you know, you can fall into victim mode.
I mean, I'm banned from 26 European countries for the crime of accepting an invitation to speak at a peace rally in Amsterdam.
I mean, it's just bizarre.
It doesn't even begin to cut it.
I'm banned from Australia.
I'm banned from a lot of other countries, too, that I'd find out about if I tried to go in there, right?
So you can go into victim mode, oh poor me, look what they're doing to me, or you can say, well, I must be saying something right then, and use it in a positive way, because they wouldn't ban me so comprehensively from the mainstream internet as well, unless I was saying something they didn't want people to hear.
You make a very good point there, because I talk about this in one chapter in The Dream a bit later on.
I think you've got quite that far yet, where I'm asking the question, why are there people in what's called the alternative media, or at least on the periphery of it, why are they able to Say things about Klaus Schwab or Bill Gates or whatever, and still be able to broadcast on YouTube.
They're not banned.
In fact, they appear on mainstream programs in America and in Britain.
They appear on the Joe Rogan Show, which I've never appeared on, despite all the stuff I'm talking about.
Why is that?
Why don't people like that get banned?
Well, some people might say, oh, because they're shills or something.
Well, shills for the system, for the cultures, I call it.
Well, not necessarily so, no.
But what it does mean is this.
The manipulators are OK with what they're saying.
It's not a...
a lethal danger to their unfolding dystopia.
Otherwise they would ban it.
And yet people like me, who are going deep in the rabbit hole, deeper with the dream than ever before, and talking about how this reality is manipulated from another reality, and Explaining what the nature of this global cult, this global network of secret societies, what its secrets ultimately really are.
I ain't Klaus Schwab.
Those people get banned.
And, you know, it's all about Cliche, yes, but it's all about connecting dots.
What I see is the spiritual arena, what perceives itself as such, that focuses on the spiritual, the out there, all the stuff that you see in what used to be called the New Age and all that.
And then you've got another group that kind of dismisses all that, And focuses on the names, dates, places, level of the manipulation, Trump or Biden, JFK Jr.
or, or Robert Kennedy Jr.
rather, or, or someone else called Biden.
And the spiritual side, the spiritual arena doesn't want to go into the Conspiratorial.
And the never the twain shall meet.
But actually, you've got to take both of those arenas and you've got to fuse them together.
Because without understanding the spiritual nature of reality, you can't understand the conspiratorial.
And you don't really understand the spiritual nature of reality if you don't encompass the conspiratorial.
Because I remember when I first got involved in this, 34 years nearly now ago, and I walked into this arena.
When I started, it wasn't about conspiracy.
That came pretty quickly.
But initially, it was questions like, who are we?
Where are we?
What is this world that we are experiencing?
And then I started to, you know, get more knowledge about that.
And I started asking the question, why is this not taught in the schools then?
Why have I've not heard this before?
Why don't scientists talk about this stuff?
And so you from the very start, I could see that the suppression of the nature of reality was absolutely fundamental
to the suppression of the human population.
And it's just built and built and built to the point now where I can really put detail
on why reality and what it is is so suppressed.
is so suppressed.
And another thing that I remember thinking at the time in the very early 1990s Why don't people ask questions like that more?
Like, who are we?
Where are we?
What's the nature of reality?
How often do you see media programs, even with all the different channels and what have you, have now?
Why don't you have... I mean, don't we want to know?
Isn't it important to know fundamentally before we can understand the reality we're experiencing?
What the bloody reality is?
This is what's missing.
It's missing in great sways of the alternative media.
And what the alternative media is putting out is missing in great sways of the spiritual arena.
And what I'm doing is putting the two together and suddenly all the pieces start to fit.
Which I think is why such a wide variety of people love your books, because some go in it because you have the names, the dates, the people, the secret organizations.
Some go in because they have the spiritual experience, which you always have in your book, and usually it's the thread through the books, which I love so much.
David, I noticed something about you.
I love to observe, and tune in.
I hear the words, but I tune in.
And there are people out there that share great bodies of knowledge.
And usually when I research, I find out they had some sort of profound experience 10, 15, 20 years ago, and then they continue to talk about that experience in so many words for the rest of their careers.
Now with you, I notice And especially over the last few years, in my observation, there's something happening to David Icke again.
There's something happening that pushes farther out and farther out what's been going on and what's been happening in your life.
Because when I read this book, which is such great detail, like never before, I notice, you know, the awakening has so many layers.
And I feel like even you, with the extensive journey that you've been on, are experiencing new layers of awakening.
Yeah, it's like being inside an onion, really.
There are layers of the onion that impact upon most people, which is the level of the five senses and the manipulation of the sense of reality of the five sense reality that we experience.
And then you start taking them off.
And, you know, I've always worked on the basis very well described by the ancient Greek philosopher Socrates, which is paraphrasing, wisdom is knowing how little we know.
The thing I Always remember, never never forget, is that whatever we know or think we know at any point, there is always more to know.
And that's a statement which simply cannot be challenged, cannot be questioned.
Because to say otherwise is to say we know everything.
There is to know everything even that we need to know.
We don't.
What we're doing is... and what are we removing?
What are these onion skins?
They are perceptual entrapment.
So you can, for instance, you can go at the level of five sense entrapment And whatever the senses perceive is your perception.
Whatever others within that range of perception, that tiny frequency, visible light, the frequency that is this reality, whatever authority figures tell you within that realm, is what you must believe, or you must fear authority.
And even if you don't want to believe it, you still got to do what they're told, because what are the consequences for me if I don't?
And that level of the onion skin, if you like, is where enormous numbers of people are at.
And then you start to take those rings off.
And what you're doing is you're dismantling The perceptions that you have, you have formed as a result of the information that's been telling you to form them, because perceptual control is what human control is all about.
And then you might go into the realm of The spiritual, like I said earlier about what's called the New Age or certainly was.
Or you might go into the kind of religions of the East or whatever.
I mean, the New Age is pretty much Eastern religions going westward.
And you might then say, oh, ah, I've seen now.
This world is not all there is.
Five senses are telling me it is, but it's not.
Actually, what you do is you go to the spirit world when you leave the body.
Because we're consciousness, we have consciousness.
The body's just a vehicle.
Okay, yeah, we'll go with all that.
And what you have to do is, you know, you have to keep having past lives repeated and new lives to replace old lives in this human reality.
Because what we have to do is learn lessons in this reality to reach a state of enlightenment that means we don't have to do that anymore.
Okay um and and the great uh great swathe of um belief in the world if you take the the numbers of people in the east uh and uh the new age and stuff like that um they will buy that so that's an onion ring but they stop and what I um or onion skin rather and I I refuse to stop there, because whatever we know, there's always more to know.
So I've been in the last two, three years, really focusing on and questioning this whole spirit world narrative, the whole reincarnation narrative.
Do I think reincarnation is real?
Yes, I do.
Do I think it's for the reason that we're told it is?
Absolutely not.
Quite the opposite.
It's a trap.
And so you then start dismantling other perceptions and you start to see through them and into a realm and explanation of what this reality is that questions and dismantles the whole of the human belief
system package, and then the afterlife, after death belief system package, and you keep
moving, and you keep moving, and you keep moving.
And suddenly, not only this world looks very different, the perception of the afterlife
looks very different when you realize that actually the two are fundamentally connected.
That's exactly where I want to jump in with you.
That's what the book focuses on.
And you go way more into the unseen than in the seen world in this book, at least so far.
And you touched on this in our previous conversation.
So what I've taken away so far that might be maybe a little bit of a giveaway, but I think it's not quite the giveaway, is you're saying, and you have been saying for the better part of 20, 25 years now, This reality that we live in here, what we perceive on Earth, the 3D reality, is a simulation.
And of course this is now becoming very, very widely accepted in certain circles.
But what you're saying is, beware, when you leave this physical body, the simulation does not stop.
Actually, When you leave this physical body, you enter a realm where the simulation originates from.
So this is, this is in the astral.
Now, what you are saying, and I'll give this away and then I'll give you the stage, you're saying, but beyond this, if you can look further, we are actually exiting the simulation and we're entering what we might call the real thing.
With that being said, I'll give you the stage here, David.
Take us through it.
What happens when we leave the physical body?
What's with the light?
What's with the fake light?
Reincarnation, please.
There's so many dots to connect there, and I'll do my best to do it as quickly and briefly as possible.
First of all, why is there a simulation?
Why is there this matrix that entraps us?
How does it entrap us?
It entraps us by entrapping our perception.
I call the book The Dream because that's what this reality is.
It's an induced dream.
Years ago, when I was a journalist on newspapers and stuff, I used to wake up in the morning And I'd put the radio on, usually a news show.
And then sometimes, you know, several times a week, I'd nod off for a few minutes.
It seemed like ages, but it wasn't.
And I'd have a dream.
This happened, oh, several times a week.
I'd have a dream.
And then I'd wake up and I'd realize that the dream I'd been having was related to the news story on the radio.
In other words, my dream had been induced.
And what this simulation is, is an induced dream.
And while we believe in it, we hold it together.
It controls us because we perceive it to be real.
But once you see that it is just an induced dream, then it increasingly ceases to impact upon you.
Decoding the information from the field of information of the the simulation which is can be very very well Symbolized more than symbolized.
I mean they're kind of the same thing with a computer That is decoding Wi-Fi So you've got a Wi-Fi field.
That's just a field of endless by the information the internet but then you Get a computer and the computer decodes part of that field, the part that you encode, on the screen.
But on the screen, it looks nothing, nothing like the Wi-Fi field.
Because if you say to people, tell me about the Internet, they'll say, well, it's moving pictures, it's videos, it's text, it's graphics.
Yeah, it's all of those things, but only on the screen.
Everywhere else it's a Wi-Fi field, a radiation field, or it's electronic codes and circuits.
So, what the body is doing, and what I do in the book is I relate the body to a headset, a virtual reality headset.
That's what it is.
Because it's constantly decoding the field of information of the simulation into, in here, as with the computer, A reality that appears to be nothing like what it actually is in the field.
We're decoding.
So if you look at the five senses, and they're all the same, what are they doing?
This is mainstream science.
They're decoding waveform information.
Take sound waves for a start, but it's the same with all of them, like I say.
It turns them in those waveforms.
frequencies into electrical signals. It communicates them to the brain. The brain has different areas
that focus and specialize in particular senses and then the brain constructs reality from that
information and it appears to be out there but it's actually in here.
Where is the internet when you are working on a computer?
Is it here?
Is it here?
No!
It's there!
It's in the computer!
Same thing.
So we're decoding that.
That matrix, that simulation in that way, and the body is a, I've been calling it since the 1990s, a biological computer.
And the thing I would say about the biological is this.
People think the biological is natural.
Okay.
How do you know?
Oh, well, I'm comparing it with the technological.
Yeah.
But unless you can compare it with the truly natural, Beyond the simulation illusion, you're not comparing light with light, so how do you know the biological is natural?
And I can tell people from my research over this last 34 years, that that force which is behind the simulation, that perceives the biological as a form of technology.
And you're now starting to see it kind of appear like the Moderna documents that were describing the content of their fake vaccine vials as an operating system.
They know that once on the inside, that is, what this reality is and how it works.
And this is encoded to decode the simulation.
So basically, if you look at someone with a headset on, And they are in an empty room with a virtual reality game and you see them, there's pictures all over the internet of people absolutely screaming and going crazy because this headset is feeding what?
What?
Feeding their five senses!
What are virtual reality games hacking into perception via?
The five senses, the headset, the audio, the touch with the gloves, they're hacking into the five senses and people are just going crazy because of what's being fed to them.
And then they take the headset off and they go, whoa, just the game.
Well, what if you couldn't take the headset off?
Because the only way you take the headset off is, quote, die.
And then it moves on to another part of the program.
We'll get into that.
But so.
If you imagine someone in the womb with a headset on.
Who leaves the womb and their parents and siblings, if they have any, have got headsets on.
Everywhere they look, people have got headsets on.
They go to school, their teacher's got a headset on, their mates in the classroom have got headsets on.
They go to university, the professor's got a headset on.
They turn on the news and someone says, hello, good evening and welcome, and they've got a headset on.
They go out into the world of work and the adult world, everyone's got headsets on.
And then you go to the end still with their headset on.
Now, given what you see people with a headset they can do that with, and how they're affected, what is that going to do to your perception?
What the body headset is feeding you is going to be your sense of reality, your perception.
And from perception comes your behavior.
And you behave as you do because you perceive as you do, and you perceive as you do, Because of the information that is delivered to you constantly, all the time.
Not just through news organizations, but actually primarily through the body headset.
So, then your next question from all that is, so why create a bloody matrix?
Why go to all this trouble?
Because this force, which operates outside of human sight, which is not difficult because human sight is so bloody tiny anyway, so it's ridiculously tiny.
We go into what's called the astral realm.
If we call this the third dimension, well, the astral is, we call it the fourth dimension.
But you go on past that, I call it in the book the fifth dimension, but these are just divisions with names to get across what I'm saying.
But beyond this fourth dimension, shall we say, this astral, You go out of the matrix into an infinity, an infinity of possibility, of potential.
That's the true self.
That's where the true I is, which is just consciousness.
It's a state of awareness, a state of being aware.
The whole point of the matrix is to manipulate that sense of awareness into a fake reality, the dream.
Why?
Because we, it's been well established by mainstream science that when we feel emotion, And when we think, we are generating frequencies.
And those frequencies, those energies, relate to the nature of the emotion and the nature of the frequency.
So low, slow frequencies are surrounding fear and anxiety and depression and hatred and resentment and regret.
All these low vibrational emotional states.
Thought energy, similar principle.
And then when we feel joy and love and happiness, all these high vibrational frequencies, we are generating a different level of frequency.
Now, when we generate emotion, you can see the emotion in the The body language of the person.
Okay.
And you can often, if you're sensitive, you can feel the emotion as a vibrational frequency, but you can't see it.
You can't see emotion in the sense of its vibration.
You feel it.
You can see its effect on the body language.
You can't see emotion.
You can't see thought.
So where's it going?
It's going into the astral.
And in that astral realm, particularly the lower levels of it, what they call the lower astral, that's the demonic realm.
That's from where this reality is being projected from, through a form of AI which is beyond anything even now that we see in the realm of human.
And so these entities, this demonic realm, and again, when you look at the different cultures and the different religions, they seem to be different, but actually there's incredibly common themes.
I'm always looking for patterns all the time.
Common patterns between things.
Not what divides them, but what they're united about.
And the demonic, the manipulation of this world from the unseen, is common to all of them.
Because that's what's going on.
And so, in the ancient world, they were sacrificing people to the gods.
Who were the gods?
The unseen gods, yes, because they're in the bloody astral.
And then, when I've researched these major names and players in the global cult, in the realm of human, they're still doing satanic ritual sacrifice to the gods.
What are the gods to them?
The same bloody gods!
You have the Greek pantheon of gods, you have the New Age pantheon of gods, the so-called Great White Brotherhood, you have the Hindu gods, you have all these different groups of gods.
Even the Christians, even actually the Christians, because you can't... some people look at the God of the Old Testament The vengeful, the punishing God.
And some people look at the merciful God of the New Testament, which are obviously cannot be the same entity.
You cannot, at least not in my perception.
I think it's a staggering difference.
So even Christians perhaps pray to different gods without even knowing it.
Oh, they do.
I mean, it's, it's, you see, okay.
Um, what's that line?
Energy goes where attention goes or energy flows where attention goes.
So, if you can symbolize these gods in the astral and through trickery, people can perceive them to be all positive, like the loving God.
How you work that out with the Old Testament, like you say, I don't know.
But your focus upon them creates an energetic connection.
Energy flows where attention goes.
And once that connection is made, these demonic gods control your energy.
What some people have called Lush, people like Robert Monroe,
popularized astral out-of-body experiences.
The Lush, and what they're talking about, this Lush that they're vampiring off humanity
is this low vibrational energy.
Why do they need low vibrational energy?
Because they're low vibrational, because of their very nature.
And that because of their perceptual nature, that's their vibrational frequency nature.
And therefore, if they're going to absorb as a sustenance, the energy coming off humans, then that energy has to be within the band of frequency that they can absorb.
Otherwise, it just never the twain shall meet.
And so when Morpheus in the Matrix held up the battery, And said, this is a computer-generated dream world designed to turn humans into one of these, a battery.
It was one of the most profound truths ever spoken in a movie, because that's what it is.
This reality we call human is a frickin' loose farm.
And so what's set up in the matrix, in the simulation, There are endless reasons, endless triggers, endless events designed to generate from humans low vibrational energy.
And they just feed off us, that frequency.
And we're empowering them.
So when we come into reincarnation, I said there was a lot of dance, didn't I?
This was my thought.
Okay, I've seen enough evidence through my life, particularly the last 34 years, that yeah, the reincarnation of consciousness is real.
It happens.
Past lives, I get that.
But the past is a bit of a misnomer, given there is no time.
But where do we get the perception of time from?
It's feeding us a perception of time.
That's why when people have near-death experiences, they say that basically the realm that they went into was like a different, the laws of physics were different, the feeling of time was different.
Yeah!
You know, I mean, back in, just after the turn of the millennium, I had one of these big downloads at the time.
Which said to me so powerfully, this is a simulation and the limit of the simulation at this level is the speed of light.
and also that what we call the laws of physics are actually the encoded laws of the simulation.
So if you are a creator of a virtual reality game, you encode into it the limits of the game
so they play to your rules.
And the characters, the non-player characters play to the rules, but also the human players play within those rules.
That's the laws of physics!
That's what they are.
So when you have near-death experiences and they leave the body, they talk about a reality which responds to a different law of physics.
Yes, because it's a different level of the matrix with a different intent.
So this was my question.
Okay, I accept reincarnation, I get that, but I do not buy for a second the idea that it has to happen so we learn lessons to reach a point of enlightenment.
You know, when you come into this world, what happens?
You're going to learn new lessons on top of what you've already learned?
No!
You get a mind wipe!
You can't remember the previous ones, you're starting from scratch again!
Overwhelmingly.
Certainly consciously.
And therefore, what's all this lesson learning bit all about?
And what it does, I mean, I remember when I had that ayahuasca experience in a rainforest in Brazil in 2003.
And this took a female form, this female voice, real powerful, spoke to me for five hours about the nature of reality.
Well, at one point, I was shown this picture of a field, like an English rural field.
And there was a path going across it, like a muddy path.
And then suddenly people started falling out of the sky onto this path, and they were walking down this path.
And then they were wearing the path away.
And as it wore away, it morphed into the grooves of one of the old vinyl record discs.
And people were walking in the dark through these through these, these basically little tunnels in the vinyl disc.
And the words that came with that was basically, the theme of it was, people drop in to the system so easily, because they've done it so many times before, it's second nature to them.
They're not having to be brought into the system.
They're already in it when they come in.
And so the question was, OK, I can understand how consciousness could be enticed, tricked into entering this world.
Oh, it's just an experience.
You know, it's lovely, really.
OK, I can accept that.
But then I look around the world and, you know, there's a few people that think they're doing all right in, you know, money wise and all that stuff.
But, you know, if you travel the world, I've been to about 60 odd countries over the last 34 years.
You see that the vast majority of people are living a daily struggle to survive, not least in Africa,
in Asia, in South America, in Central America, and so on. And they're not having a
good time. It's a constant battle, and they're trying to get their children so that they will
survive and somehow prosper a little bit.
You've got kids in mines and stuff producing the, or trawling for the, the resources that end up in electric car batteries and so on.
So they're not having a good time.
So my question was, I can understand why people would get enticed in once.
Oh yeah.
But coming back over and over and over again, are you having a bloody laugh?
What?
I'm going back there?
Horrible that is!
I was in a mine!
So how do they do it?
This is the astral level of the simulation.
It's what people call the spirit world.
But it's not the spirit world, that's beyond the simulation, the infinity.
Of all things, everything that is, has been and ever could be, you're entering, when you leave the body, another level of the simulation.
Now, it can't just be a mirror of this, because it wouldn't work.
It has to be the appearance, initially, of some kind of heaven type place.
So you enter a completely different reality.
And I've read so many near-death experiences accounts, and often, or more than often, very often,
they'll say, I felt a love, like a bliss, like I've never felt before.
And you go, so you learned about reincarnation, Oh, yeah.
Reincarnation.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you've done this many times.
Oh, yeah.
So why was it a bliss you've never felt before?
You must have experienced it many times because of the mind wipe.
It's a perception wipe.
And I'll come to how they do that as we go along, particularly in this world.
And so what you're met with are like passed over loved ones, spiritual masters, elders, spirit guides, and all this stuff.
And it's all very nice.
It's all very spiritual.
It is for the great majority of people.
Some people have a bad experience as well.
And you get drawn up the tunnel or some other symbol.
And then you cross the threshold and they say, oh, either you've got to go back, your mission is not complete, or if you cross the threshold, if you choose not to go back, then you can't go back, we should pass the threshold.
Well, because near-death experiences all come back.
they can't tell you what's on the other side of the threshold. But I've quoted in The Dream,
some people who say, and I do believe they're genuine, they have memories of the pre-incarnation
state.
And indeed, you know, it's a lot of people been taken back through hypnosis into that between human life state through, you know, beyond the threshold.
And it sounds incredibly hierarchical and it sounds very technological.
And it's something about the astral.
You think of the astral and you think, you think ethereal.
But things like ghosts seem ethereal to us, because they're not on the same frequency we are.
It's like a radio station where that's your main station, and then you've got interference from another station.
You can't hear the interference station anything like as clearly as the main station.
It's interference.
Ghostly things are a form of visual interference.
They're not quite in our frequency, therefore they seem ethereal.
But if you were on the frequency they're on, i.e.
the astral frequency in this case, then they'd look as solid as you and me.
And the astral is far more like this reality, than people believe it to be, I would suggest.
And therefore, this is in so many ways a projection of that astral frequency.
It's certainly a projection from it.
And for me, AI, artificial intelligence, is running the whole of the simulation.
And it's running it.
People aren't pressing buttons and all that stuff, except in detail.
Overwhelmingly, it is AI that's running it.
And what we're seeing now is, in our human world, we're seeing more and more and more Cutting edge levels, from our perspective anyway, of AI technology coming into our reality.
It's taking over our reality.
And that is simply an expression of astral AI, which is running the whole show.
And it's moving more and more into this realm to control us more and more fiercely here.
And just to finish the point of how I'm seeing these things, I read so often over the years that to become enlightened you have to go beyond mind.
All these different spiritual expressions talk about going beyond mind.
So mind is the barrier to enlightenment.
It's like when people say, okay, just take a step back and observe your own thoughts, observe your own chatter, mind chatter.
And you can, you can, you can just sit and observe and you realize this mind chatter is not actually part of you, consciousness.
The real I. So my question was, okay, you've got to get across this mind, yeah, to get enlightenment, yeah, yeah.
But what the hell is mind then?
What is it?
What is this barrier you talk about?
Let's look for tangible reasons why that is.
And this is what I conclude in the dream.
That the, what we call mind, is AI and it's an AI program running through the biological computer and it's the biological computer through the five senses that locks us into the matrix that this level of the matrix and so the the mind this is my view if you only
are driven, you're perceptually driven, only by mind, then when you leave the womb, when you leave this reality, is already known.
It's a program.
You're going to go through a program, and the AI is going to run you.
It's going to run you.
And again, you go around the world, and it's not what divides people that I see.
That's most compelling.
It's how people are the same.
You type in information on a computer, whatever it is, and you type that information in on another computer, and then you press enter.
You know what these computers are going to do, because they're programmed to do it.
And when you replace the information you put in the computer with events and experiences, you pretty much know how people are gonna react.
Those that are driven by mind.
Because they're programmed to react like that.
And whether you are in the Hindu world or South America, whatever, you basically will get the same reaction.
You might get a bigger reaction here and there than somewhere else, but you'll get the same response.
Fight or flight, classic.
And so the only way, the way to override the program of mind
is to expand beyond that perceptual program and let your true eye come in consciousness.
Now consciousness is overriding the program.
I mean, the program, the AI program, mind is the village idiot compared with consciousness.
Of course you can override it.
And what happens is, and this is awakening, this is what we call awakening.
Once you let consciousness in, then it sees things into your conscious perception.
It sees things that the AI mind is programmed not to see, because I don't want you to see it.
And this whole movement now to connect AI in this reality to the brain, to the body, is to further create a wall, a defense mechanism.
To stop AI minds being overridden by consciousness.
And to awaken is to awaken from this AI mind.
And I do think that the contents of the fake COVID vaccine, with its self-replicating nanotechnology, is fundamentally part of this process of further disconnecting mind from consciousness.
You know, it's exactly what I wanted to say because people like Rudolf Steiner and Mahatma Gandhi and others have said this over a hundred years ago.
They've said vaccines are designed to sever that spiritual connection.
And what do you talk about?
Christine and I, we experienced this.
We host a retreat with a group of people and the main intention of that retreat is really to create a space and guide people to the experience where they actually, maybe sometimes for the first time, connect with that true self, the real.
And it is interesting because in the vast majority of the meditation world, people go into this Beautiful, but conditionally beautiful state that is still within the mind program.
And if you want to break through that, there's another layer of discomfort that you have to go through, and I think that is simply the nature of this astral reality that you enter when you go there.
You've said this, and I have to ask you, because our viewers would be very disappointed if I didn't.
In our previous conversation, you talked about the light, right?
You talked about this, and I think part of why this is such a designed experience is also that Today people are pushed into situations where they die with stress and trauma rather than in a natural or let's say in had previously was in a more conscious way when they leave this physical experience.
What happens, to the best of your research and knowledge and experience, when you leave the physical body, and there's usually this experience of a bright light, and in Native American traditions, we're told not to walk into this light, right?
They say, turn around, wait.
What is happening there, and how do people, because people literally ask, how do we avoid this trap?
What do we do?
Well, just let's put it this way.
So much.
I mean, when did Penny start to drop on all this?
So much that happens.
Well, all basically in the end that happens here.
You can see why it happens.
So if you look at what happens in this world, they symbolize God.
They symbolize the spirit.
They symbolize the spirit as a light.
They talk about going to the light.
They talk about merging with the light.
The light, the light, the light.
And, you know, in the reincarnation religions, they're preparing you for the reincarnation cycle while you're here to keep going.
So what is light?
Well, light, I've made this point in a number of books, that light is actually an electromagnetic phenomenon.
You know, I said that just after the turn of the millennium that this was a simulation and the limit of the simulation is the speed of light.
And in April of 2021, there was an article in Scientific American by some academic who had concluded that this is a simulation and that the limit of the simulation is the speed of light.
Uh, and he related, I say rightly, the speed of light to the processing speed of this level, well he didn't think this, he thought this was the simulation, there were other levels of it, but, um, the speed of light, the processing speed of what I would say is this level of the, um, simulation.
As he pointed out, you can encode the laws of physics, but You're still limited by your processing speed.
And so it would appear that the speed of light is the fastest speed possible.
But actually, that's only here.
You take astral and non-physical phenomena, like communication between electromagnetic Phenomena like, you know, electrons and all that stuff, then it's not the speed of light that they communicate with.
It's bloody instant, way beyond the speed of light, because it's in a different dimension that's going on, a different reality.
And so the spiritual symbol in this world is light, the light.
But if you look at the The Nostic documents found at Nag Hammadi in 1945, a treasure trove really, supposed to have been put in an earthen jar which was found in 1945 in around 400 AD, that kind of time.
Detailing information that beliefs that went further back They don't talk about Electromagnetic light like that light they talk about a watery light It's a very different light and that's what they say is beyond what they call the bad copy the simulation That we're experiencing so this whole light thing is a trap as well so when you are When you are manipulated and prepared beforehand to see light as something positive and then suddenly you leave the body and because of the mind wipe you're completely bloody confused.
What's happening?
Then what happens is the light appears, and it's soothing light.
It's very much nicer than the shite I've just left.
Ooh, this must be heaven.
And then you have your spiritual masters and your guides and your loved ones and such like,
which, you know, as I've concluded that they are AI projections.
They're AI projections that relate to you individually.
And when people say that's not possible, that's fantastic.
Well, hold on a minute.
There's 1.5 billion people in China and the great majority of them are tracked 24 bloody seven.
So if they can do it in China, they can certainly do it in the bloody astral
with an AI technological possibility that's way, way beyond anything
that humans can currently conceive.
And when people talk about, like Edgar Cayce talks about the Akashic Records, When you see how these Akashic Records, where they say that everything is recorded, everything is kept, it's like an infinite library of everything that's ever happened in this region.
Sounds like a cloud!
Yeah.
They're talking about a database.
And when I read, like, Casey's sites and stuff, how they describe the Akashic Records, they're even using computer analogies.
They're saying it's like a supercomputer.
Well, you know what?
It is.
But way beyond anything we can perceive here.
It's recording everything.
So you are connected to that as an individual, quote, incarnation.
And so when you leave the body and the trap has to continue to get you back here to Lucia more,
then you get a designer manipulation.
It will be loved ones that you perceive to be, family that have passed before.
It will be a spiritual master.
It could be Jesus.
It could be Mohammed.
It could be Krishna.
It will be a designer entrapment based on your belief system and what you have come to believe.
So, so many near-death experiences will talk about seeing Jesus and stuff like that because Jesus is something that everybody knows about.
And even if they don't believe in Jesus, it's something that they can connect to because they've heard the name so often and all the way through their lives.
So when they get in the so-called spirit world, this other level, this astral level...
Simulation.
Then for Jesus to appear, that is a spiritually symbol.
Whether you believed it in the human world is irrelevant.
It's a spiritually understandable symbol.
And what they're doing is they're saying, come with me, everything's fine.
And then you go across the threshold and you're back here and not remembering what you were before.
Except rarely.
And that's another interesting thing is that So many people that remember past lives, there are exceptions, but even those that kind of do, they largely start to fade from the age of seven onwards, very early on in life.
We've seen amazing Books and television programs of really young kids describing past lives in detail, they could never have known about and they check it all out.
And it's just in detail.
Correct.
But then it starts to fade and they forget and go into the into the days and the maze.
So this simulation It basically has two levels.
It's the louche farmer, and it's to entice you back into the louche farm.
It's a self-perpetuating, perceptual manipulation machine.
And what's interesting, you know, when you analyze the basic psychology, so much of here is replicated there in the astral.
Not least, you go back to this phenomenon where people look to authority to tell them what to think, to tell them what to do.
And they also, if they don't agree with it, they fear not obeying anyone.
But the vast majority of people, they just, authority says it, they believe it.
And then you leave the body.
And You enter another realm when you leave the body because the body has been decoding this level of the matrix.
That's what it's there for, and therefore it's been your sense of reality.
The heck's that?
When the headset, quote, dies, like taking the headset off, you enter another reality.
You think that's heaven or something, but it's not.
It's another level of the simulation.
And so what do you do?
Just as before, you look to spirit masters, spirit guides, and elders, and other people, religious heroes.
To tell you what to think, to tell you what to do, to tell you what to believe.
They're just an astral version of the authority in the human world.
And when you say, and it's a great question, so how do we break the wheel of satsara, as it's called, the reincarnation wheel, you stop believing in it.
And when you, first of all, you start now, you stop believing authority just because it's authority.
You stop obeying authority just because it's authority.
You start to think for yourself beyond the AI astral mind, as I call it.
And when you leave the body, you're now in that mode where you're really not being imposed upon anymore.
You're not having your perceptions given to you like a download.
And when you leave the body, and all these spiritual authority figures start telling you what you do and how things are, well, you just don't believe in it anymore.
You know, when I read so many of these near-death experiences, accounts, another theme is that when you, and people that have kind of retained some memory of the pre-incarnation period, they talk about the fact that they contract, because they can't just make you.
I mean, there's eight billion people in this world.
They can't just make you.
A few can't just make you do what they want.
They can make you do what you want because you choose to be made to do what you want.
That's the that's the dynamic.
You make a contract with authority.
So to do what authority tells you.
And when you are coming into this reincarnation cycle and coming back and something else, A common theme is that you contract, you make a contract to do it.
Now, what is that contract?
What is the contract with authority here?
What is the contract with astral authority?
It's a contract to go on believing in the dream.
That's what you're actually contracting to do.
And when you leave the body as consciousness, awareness, Some people call it soul, but I go into that.
It's not quite... I suggest what people think it is.
Then you stop believing in the dream.
You know, authority told you to do this in the astral world.
Well, you don't do it.
And the more you stop believing in the dream while in the human world, the less the dream impacts upon your perception, on your reality.
It's the same when you leave the body.
You don't believe that level either.
When you say, look, I am consciousness.
I am all that is, has been, and ever can be.
And you, spirit master, elder, I'm not going to tell me, Infinite Awareness, what I will and will not do, because you're a freaking dream.
You're just a projection.
You have no impact on me unless I allow it.
And you know, there is this concept, this esoteric concept of what they call the Ring Pass Knot.
The Ring Pass Knot is said to be a limit Where if you are in a certain state of vibration perception, you can't break through the vibrational walls of the Ring Pass Knot.
But if you reach a point of, quote, enlightenment, here we have, you've got to reach a level of enlightenment before you can leave the matrix.
Yes, you have, but not by coming back into here endless bloody times, but by sussing it, by realizing it's all a dream.
And so, when you leave the body, in the knowledge, in the awareness, in the perception, That you are all that is, has been, and ever can be, and all this is illusion.
And all the spirit world level of the matrix is illusion.
You are on a vibrational, perceptually generated vibrational state which will go through the ring pass knot in a way that it's not there.
Because to you, on that vibrational state, it's not there.
And that's the way out of the trap.
That's the way out of the matrix.
It's to stop believing the dream is real.
It's not.
It's a trap.
David, I want to, I could, I could, we could go on and on because this, this has so many layers and it is not just interesting, it is soul, it is spirit moving.
It's spirit moving.
You, if you really tune in, your spirit is moved and I encourage everyone to go And get this book and take a day or two or three or four off and walk with what these thoughts are.
Don't just read through it.
Walk with it.
I'm just on chapter four and I love it.
I have one more question for you, David, because you have dedicated your life and you can say it in your own words, but as an observer, as a reader, as a listener, as a viewer, you have dedicated your life to exposing the truth.
Not, you know, not being hindered by dogma or biases, right?
That's your whole point, to overcome those.
But what is really the goal?
Is the goal that we eventually break up this matrix, that we eventually, not just through individual soul or spirit expression, overcome it, but is the goal to actually break it up and make it transmuted or destroyed?
What is the goal?
Now, that is a That is a question, it's a big question.
And I do go into it, as you'll see later on in the dream.
What it seems to me is, well, let's just go back.
Very soon after I had my head blown off, my spiritual awakening, awakening, not awakened, awakening, we're always awakening more, in 1990, If you wanted to meet a professional psychic in those days, then all you had to do is follow me.
Because I was meeting them all over the place.
I only went to one by choice.
The rest I was meeting all the time.
Hello, nice to meet you.
What do you do?
I'm a psychic.
Oh my God, another one.
So it went on.
And one of the themes was, that was given to me from those earliest days, was something I gave the name to with my first book which came out in early 91 called Truth Vibrations and I call it Truth Vibrations because what I was being told in that really first year after my awakening was that there was a vibrational change coming that was going to transform and awaken from their coma
The human enslaved mind, basically.
And that those that were more awake were going to be affected first with this truth vibrations, as I call it.
And eventually, even people that at that time was solid gold asleep, we're going to start seeing the world differently.
And that it would have another effect.
Which is that all that had been hidden would be put before us.
We would see all that had been hidden from us.
Now, in 1990, when I wrote that book, there was absolutely no evidence of that.
And on through the 90s, across the millennium.
But look at it now.
Now, what do we know now that we didn't know five years ago, two years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 34 years ago?
It's fantastic what we know now that we didn't know then.
So this truth vibrations is happening and how it was explained to me was this energy is bringing to the surface all that being hidden.
In other words, the way and the manner with which we are being controlled is going to be shown to us and my God, it's being shown to us.
This is the thing you see.
All this censorship and the fake COVID vaccine with the self-replicating nanotechnology and all that stuff.
These are not attacks on humanity to to express the power that this force has.
They are defensive manifestations to protect what already exists.
These demonic entities and that consciousness, which is the common theme, what Gnostics call Yaldabaoth or the Demiurge, what Christians call Satan or the Devil, what Islamic believers call Shaitan or Iblis.
These are all different names for a state of consciousness, an inverted, chaotic, mad state of consciousness, which expresses itself through these demonic entities.
They're just expressions of this, just as the global cult in this reality is an expression of that ultimately.
And so they already have a loose farm.
They're already trawling our energy.
What they're terrified of is losing that control, which means losing their energetic sustenance.
That's why they created the illusion of the Matrix, the simulation to To control and bewilder perception to generate the loosh.
They're not censoring and trying to connect us to this electromagnetic cloud.
Thank you, Elon Musk.
That's described by Silicon Valley crazies like Ray Kurzweil at Google.
They're not doing that.
to enhance their power.
They're doing that to protect what they already have.
Because once we awaken, and the vibration we generate reflects that awakening, then their matrix starts to dismantle because we're holding it together, not least by our belief that it's real.
Energy flows where attention goes.
And so Um, what it seems to me, as I can say, I write about this in the dream towards the end, is that these truth vibrations are also impacting upon the astral.
And as they impact upon the astral this demonic force is being forced into lower and lower levels of the astral as these truth vibrations impact.
And now these demonic entities are trying to get into this reality as a way of escaping the truth vibrations which are also happening in this reality but more profoundly at the moment in the astral.
And therefore what we're starting to see Is the astral madness starting to impact more and more on this reality?
It's getting crazier and crazier every day.
It's getting crazier and crazier.
Why?
Because it's getting more astral and astral and astral because of this process.
So we are in this position of craziness.
But this is what I say to people.
It's not permanent.
It's part of the clearing out of that which has controlled us.
So it's going to get crazy.
It's going to get real crazy.
People think they're seeing crazy now.
They've seen nothing yet.
But what's happening is this massively part of this clearing out of this vibrational state which has held human perception in servitude all this time.
And in terms of The Matrix itself.
You know, there's a theme which talks about we're going to create a new Earth.
I don't think we are.
I think we're going to remove the layer of illusion that's keeping us from The original, for what I call prime reality, which is a very different realm to the one that it's become as a simulation, the Gnostics in their Nag Hammadi documents describe this reality of the Demiurge, the Satan devil in other words, as a bad copy of prime reality.
And so as this matrix is dismantled this illusory matrix this dream that's there because we believe in it as it kind of fades and dismantles amid a period of absolute insanity then what will be left is the earth the world the realm the reality really you get too focused on planets and stuff that
The Matrix has been overlaying so what you do is you create a biological computer that decodes the overlay the matrix and anything that any consciousness that incarnates into that body We'll believe that the matrix, the simulation, the headset reality is real, even though in the same space that we are experiencing this lies prime reality as well.
It's just that because we've been locked into this fake reality, prime reality is lost to us in terms of perception.
But when the, When the illusion fades, prime reality will be where it has always been, in the same space that we are experiencing.
And as that comes through, and the matrix dismantles and fades, it will appear, certainly at first, that a new Earth, a new reality is appearing.
But it's not new.
It's the reality we come from.
And it's the reality we'll ultimately go back to.
but there's going to be a lot of craziness before that happens.
It is exactly down to a tee, the download that I've been getting.
And it's beautiful that you are speaking about this and approaching it the way you are.
And so many others are there that are not listening, by the way,
there is they're getting the same images because they tune in.
David, you are embarking on a secret tour, which is one of the crazy symptoms of the times we're in.
You have to.
People buy tickets and it's pretty much sold out, but you can't tell them up until an hour and a half before showtime where exactly in that particular city it's going to be.
No, because if we announce the venue at the start of the tour, Then we're giving all that time in between to the crazies and the censors.
Censors?
And the crazies are censoring a lot of people, like the Wokers.
They're censoring without even knowing why they're censoring.
They've just been perceptually, AI mind, manipulated to believe that what they believe, everyone else must believe.
And that, what, what would it be tolerance, right?
Yeah.
What would, what would exactly, what would it, well, that's, that's just the inversion.
Everything's inverted in the simulation if you're not conscious.
So, um, what, what would the, um, AI mind want?
It would want you to believe that what you believe everyone else should believe, because then you will go around censoring those that believe something different because they're conscious beyond mind.
And so we have to hold back the exact venue because, you know, we'd have venues pulling because of the pressure they were put under.
It's happened all over the world.
Oh, literally all over the world.
It's happened to me over decades.
And I'm supposed to be the nutter.
I'm supposed to be this this crazy man.
So, why would you want to censor a crazy man?
Well, because he's not crazy, that's why.
He's just saying things you don't want people to hear.
And so, we've already had one venue, Paul, because of one article in a local newspaper, but that's all sorted.
And yeah, you know, it's very indicative.
You know, when I started out in 1990, 91, 92, 93, and I was talking about this stuff, I...
I mean, you couldn't fill a front room with people.
But now it's unbelievable.
I mean, we can't advertise this tour on things like Facebook.
They won't advertise the book or anything.
And the media, the mainstream media, they've gone from ridiculing me, interestingly, to completely ignoring me.
That's when you're really dangerous.
Yeah.
Ridicule's not working anymore.
So we're just bloody ignoring it.
I hope people forget about it.
But despite all that, you know, these venues are filling so fast.
I mean, the number of them are already are already sold out.
Because people have this, this insatiable desire now for knowledge.
And that's a sign of consciousness overcoming mind, because mind doesn't want to have knowledge, it wants to have mind.
So, you know, this, there's so many things when you, you see what's happening in the world, you think, oh, yeah, well, I see where this is going.
But there's so many really encouraging things happening.
And we're just entering a period where we are going to see an obvious test of how far we've come.
I'll be interested to see how far we've come.
And that is when they start playing the COVID card again, and the COVID restrictions again, and how people respond to that, and in what numbers they respond to that.
That's going to be very interesting because it's coming, sure as heck it's coming.
Isn't it interesting how they can prime that months ahead of time, start testing the waters.
There's going to be another wave in two or three months.
So we're just going to start putting it into your mind because that makes total sense.
That's how viruses work.
I mean, you know.
It's preparing perception.
But what they do is this.
I call it the push the gate technique.
They'll push the gate and they'll see what resistance they have.
And if they have no resistance, they'll walk through the gate and go to the next one.
Start pushing that.
Klaus Junker.
He said it.
Junker, the former European President, if you will, of the Commission, he said it.
We'll announce something, we'll make it public, and if there's no resistance, we'll keep going until it is irreversible.
And that's their M.O.
David, you're not slowing down.
Where can people get the remaining tickets for that tour and where can they keep up?
Yeah, go to DavidIke.com.
It's all there on the main page, how to get the tickets.
And I'm all over the country.
I'm in England.
I'm in Cardiff in Wales.
I'm in Glasgow in Scotland.
I've been to Belfast in Northern Ireland.
And the event in Belfast was fantastic.
I mean, just fantastic.
I mean, when I first spoke in Belfast in the 1990s, there were about six to eight people there.
Um, and this time it was absolutely ramjam packed.
Um, and, uh, so, um, we are making progress.
We'd like to make it quicker, but we are, we really are.
It's great encouragement, uh, to see that.
Um, but you know, what's happening with the COVID thing now is exactly what we're talking about here.
They're putting it out there.
to see what the reaction will be.
And if there's not the pushback that they think will trouble them, they'll go again.
If they have massive reaction, we're not doing that on a big scale,
then they can't go there.
But you know, England was one of the kind of leading lights in pushing back on the last COVID nonsense.
With hundreds of thousands of people eventually were walking through London in protest
of the restrictions and the impositions.
And that had a big effect.
The British government wanted to go further, but it looked at that and went, ooh, we better not.
Because one of the things that they absolutely are terrified of, and that kind of symbolizes that, They don't want people to realize where the real power is.
And if they generate too much non-cooperation, then people will go You're not as powerful as you think you are, are you?
They don't want that.
So they'd much rather just pull back a bit, take the steam out of the non-cooperation and the protest, and then come again.
So that's to build up again, rather than keep it going and let it build up to a point where people go, the power's with me, innit?
Yeah, always has been, always will be.
We've just forgotten.
You know what is beautiful to me?
Right now, it seems like they're doomed if they do and doomed if they don't.
It doesn't matter what they do.
It's just another way of exposing this.
And people are finally going, yep, yep, no, thank you.
We're not.
Thank you.
We're not participating.
And I think this has been your message for almost 35 years now.
And I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for all the work you do and for the love you're sharing with the world.
I encourage everyone to go to DavidIke.com.
Get tickets if you can.
Buy the new book, The Dream.
It's absolutely amazing.
And also check out Iconic.com, which is the Ike family's amazing platform.
Such a plethora of wonderful work.
I don't even know how you guys do it.
Because you are a family operation, but Iconic is such a wonderful platform.
I'm always just amazed at the quality content, documentaries that are on there.
It's amazing.
Yeah, it is fantastic.
My son, Jamie, had the idea only about three years ago.
Of course, Gareth's involved and it's an incredible platform and it's getting more and more, in terms of quality and output, it's getting better and better all the time.
I'm just in the middle with a producer, a filmmaker, at iconic Christiana Van Wyk, putting together a documentary to go out over Christmas, which is about all the stuff that we've been talking about, which with special effects and stuff, you can explain very simply.
I love that.
Please go check that out, too.
I know they have a seven-day free trial, after which you will want to subscribe.
Trust me.
So, David, thank you again for your time.
It's always such an honor, and I could go on and on asking you questions because it's just a wonderful conversation to have.
Thank you very, very much.
Always a pleasure, mate.
Always a pleasure with you.
Thank you.
An inspired tribe.
Thank you so much for tuning in.
You know we love you.
We appreciate you, and we'll be back with you again very, very soon.
There's a lot of things that I've said over the years, which were perceived to be crazy.
and then suddenly they start to move mainstream.
I'm waiting for someone to convince me that we don't live in a simulation.
What is real?
How do you define real?
If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, taste and see, then real is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain.
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